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Scientology faces a trademark fight we’ve been waiting for — but will it get spoiled?

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[Jim Fonda and Merrell Vannier]

Almost three years ago, our friend and attorney Scott Pilutik wrote an article for Forbes describing the unique position “independent” Scientologists are in when it comes to challenging the Church of Scientology on its trademarks and its tax exempt status.

Almost since the very beginning of Dianetics and Scientology, there have been people who splintered off to use L. Ron Hubbard’s ideas on their own, outside the official church. More often than not, that put them directly in the crosshairs of Hubbard and his “ethics” system, a complex apparatus of surveillance and harassment which he came up with to deal with defectors who dared to “audit” outside his control.

But if independent Scientologists have had to put up with years of harassment, they’re also in a special position to challenge Scientology’s monopoly of Hubbard’s ideas by forming their own church, Pilutik explained.

If an Independent Scientology entity were to emerge, on what bases might a legal challenge to the IRS-Scientology Agreement be mounted? One area in which the Church of Scientology is particularly susceptible to challenge by Independent Scientology is the potential generification of its popular trademarks (think what happened to “zipper,” “aspirin,” “escalator,” et al.), such as “Scientology,” “Dianetics,” and “e-meter.” David Mayo, in the creation of his [1980s] Scientology offshoot, carefully avoided infringing on Scientology’s trademarks by designing a parallel lexicon for use in his church. But he shouldn’t have had to endure this free exercise hardship at all, because the term Scientology, for instance, has ceased to be distinctive by its attaining “secondary meaning” through non-organized Scientology channels. For a court to uphold the enforcement of Scientology’s trademarks against a hypothetical competing Independent Scientology entity, then, it would necessarily trample on that entity’s own free exercise rights, not to mention its becoming impermissibly entangled in a religious dispute. Such a suit would likely be triggered simply by advertising, say, “Scientology auditing.”

Pilutik is referring to the “free exercise” of religion that’s guaranteed by the US Constitution: If someone started a new church that offered auditing as described by L. Ron Hubbard, it ought to be able to do so freely. And it could also call itself “Scientology” — but not without a fight, and one that might drag in the Church of Scientology’s special deal with the IRS.

It’s a tantalizing scenario. But Pilutik went on to observe that so far, no one in the “indie” field seemed interested in taking this step.

Until now.

A group of independent Scientologists calling themselves the Religious Liberty League has announced that they are forming the First Independent Church of Scientology (FICOS), and they have applied for a trademark for that name.

Pilutik tells us that the Church of Scientology will have no choice but to legally challenge that trademark application, and then things should get very interesting.

As the League indicated on its website, the trademark for “First Independent Church of Scientology” was applied for on November 12, and in the name of James R. Fonda.

At Mike Rinder’s blog a couple of years ago, Jim Fonda described his career in the Church of Scientology and his disaffection, following the path of so many people who have left the church in recent years. He first got into Scientology at the Stevens Creek mission in 1975, and plowed through to OT 7 by 1981, but then, after a period of disillusionment, he resigned from the church in 2001. Since then, he’s turned to other independents for auditing and has been encouraged by his results.

Both Fonda and the man behind the Religious Liberty League website, Merrell Vannier, declined to talk to the Underground Bunker about the First Independent Church of Scientology.

We found that surprising, especially considering how bold and outspoken Vannier is at the League site, where he announced the trademark application and also explained that the League will be asking the Church of Scientology to make major changes in its governance, including asking David Miscavige to step down as leader.

It’s not really clear how the fledgling new church, which doesn’t exist yet outside a trademark application and a blog post, will find itself in the position to demand major changes from the multi-billion-dollar Church of Scientology. But that becomes a little less surprising if you know something about the person making those demands.

Vannier is a fascinating figure. We wrote at length about his background in the church when we reviewed his 2015 book, Arrows in the Dark. In the 1970s, Vannier was a spy for Scientology’s notorious Guardian’s Office, and he was also a lawyer. At one point, he was hired to be the attorney for Clearwater mayor Gabe Cazares, who was suing the Church of Scientology for libel — Cazares had no idea that the attorney he’d just hired was actually a Scientology spy. In his book, Vannier describes how he used that position, as attorney to Cazares, to pull off a number of operations for Scientology, including a scheme to kill some anti-cult legislation in Congress. (As we said in our review, we were grateful that Vannier came forward with these sordid tales of his spy activities for the church. But the book also claims that David Miscavige is an FBI plant, inserted to bring down Scientology in a long game played by the government, which is envious or frightened by the genius of L. Ron Hubbard, or something. It’s a book long on speculation and short on evidence.)

After the FBI raided Scientology in 1977, Vannier’s schemes were eventually discovered. The Florida Bar disbarred Vannier

[Vannier’s] argument is that an attorney, who engages in unethical conduct on behalf of an organization that labels itself a church, has a First Amendment right to immunity from disciplinary proceedings. This idea is repugnant to the principles of the Constitution and the ethical standards of the legal profession….Not only did Merrell Vannier act in conflict with his client’s interests, his conduct in this matter is a perversion of his Oath and a defilement of the standards of our profession.

(Vannier tells us he could have reapplied to the Bar after his disbarment, but chose not to.) Vannier remained an ardent member of the Church of Scientology after his disbarment, but he describes in his book that he was ultimately “declared” a “suppressive person” in 2012 — the church’s equivalent of excommunication — and his daughter, who remains in the Sea Org, disconnected from him.

For years, Vannier has run a website, Save Scientology, which argued that L. Ron Hubbard, before his death, had intended for the church, through a corporate reorganization, to become more democratic and operate with more “checks and balances.” That reorganization, which was completed in 1981 and 1982, created multiple corporate entities like the Church of Spiritual Technology (CST), the Religious Technology Center (RTC) and the Church of Scientology International (CSI), each with multiple boards of trustees and directors. Vannier believes that Hubbard intended this to create an organization that would not be run by a dictator like David Miscavige. Through the Save Scientology website, Vannier called for those trustees and directors to identify themselves and vote Miscavige out of leadership.

Before her death, Denise Brennan told us, however, that the people who thought Hubbard had created the corporate reorganization to make Scientology more democratic were kidding themselves. Brennan took part in the corporate sort-out, and she told us there was no doubt why Hubbard wanted it done — simply to make it more difficult to get to him and his assets.

“That goose chase you’re on — that’s what we tried to make people do, lead them to follow that paper trail and think they were on to something. The people who think they’re following the power of control by looking at the lists of directors for CST are falling for the sham we set up,” Brennan told us for a story in 2013. “All of the corporate papers and layers of directors — it’s all just a scam that has nothing to do with who really runs Scientology. Who runs Scientology is David Miscavige, and he controls it through the Sea Organization.”

One of the things we wanted to ask Vannier was why he’s brought that quixotic fight from Save Scientology to his new venture, the First Independent Church of Scientology, which already has its hands full getting some momentum going and fighting a trademark battle. Perhaps he’ll answer that question in the Liberty League’s blog.

Pilutik told us he had the same concern.

Regarding the trademark fight, I think they have a shot. But I also think they’ve bitten off (a ton) more than they can chew by making demands about the official church’s corporate structure. The key to successfully litigating anything when the Church of Scientology is on the other side of the table is to keep the battle focused and discrete. The Church of Scientology, especially when vulnerable on an issue, enlarges the playing field, forcing the other side to spend and defend ancillary issues.

The CST issue identified by FICOS is far from being a legal problem, whereas the trademark application is more or less self-contained by the administrative process. The Church of Scientology is undoubtedly aware of the application and will file a formal opposition, which will then likely force a trial before the Trademark Trials & Appeals Board (which can include discovery). Luckily for FICOS the TTAB is a court (really, an administrative body) of limited jurisdiction, so the Church of Scientology can’t enlarge the case there. So the Church of Scientology would be eager at that point (or after, relating to a possible appeal) to drag FICOS into other courts on related issues.

So if FICOS can keep the playing field limited to the First Amendment and its free exercise right to use the generic term “Scientology” in commerce, they stand a good chance of prevailing, I believe. But if they invite lawfare on side issues, they’ll find themselves drowning in paper.

The First Independent Church of Scientology has a really interesting chance to become a major headache for Miscavige, if it can stay focused on what’s really possible. We’ll be watching what happens.

 
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Is Scientology really this tone-deaf?

We want to be very clear and say at the outset that the tip we received which we’re about to relay to you is unconfirmed. But it’s so fun, we just knew we’d have to share it with you.

Our tipster told us they could hardly believe it when they found out, but they were told that “Gold is doing a film on brainwashing so they have created a set to look like North Korea.”

Yes, we expect your jaw is hitting the floor about as hard as ours did. We only hope that it’s true. Please, Dave, put out a new ad or training film where you talk about brainwashing and use Kim Jong-un’s cult-country as the backdrop. Seriously, we’re begging here.

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

People of San Francisco, you will be getting pamphlets as the Super Bowl nears. Oh joy.

 
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Scientology’s Ham Hock poses for a new book cover.

 
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With Alfreddie Johnson’s World Literacy Crusade down the tubes, does this present an opportunity for another Scientology shill, Watts Bishop Franklin Harris, making the scene here at the Portland org, to move up the food chain?

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on February 1, 2016 at 07:00

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  • Captain MustSavage

    Is it too early to send requests to the North Korean hackers?

    • Carlos Machado

      What would be the level o backfire now?

  • Observer

    Overcompensating much, Cardone?

    • FredEX2

      I don’t know why, but seeing Cardone barefoot riding the wing engine of a jet kinda immediately seemed smarmy-porn-like. Maybe I have some withhold on ‘foot fetish’ or something. But I couldn’t help thinking it would make a great cover on the front of ‘Hustler’ magazine! Maybe I need some coffee and another look.

      NO Cardone. Just no!

      • Observer

        Urp!

        • FredEX2

          Oh come on Observer. Tell me you don’t see it too! 😄

          • Observer

            I refuse to see it!

            • FredEX2

              Nope. You saw it. You’re just not gonna admit it! Look again.

            • Observer

              You can’t make me!

            • FredEX2

              Yes I can. I command intention that you look again at the pic of Cardone riding that jet engine barefoot!

            • FredEX2

              Something needs to be done about Cardone. Seems he’s gone way too enthusiastic above tone 40 and riding a bit too high. Looks like he’s either about to exteriorize…or fall right off that jet any minute.

              Kinda a new take on ‘wing man’.

              Oh come on! I couldn’t help it. 😄

            • Franklin Adams

              The jet engine might just exteriorize him itself.

            • Observer

              I’m suppressive. Your Tone 40 CI has no effect.

      • Beth

        If he could turn back time……

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Hur hur 😛

    • Ella Raitch

      Who doesn’t want to sit astride a long hard throbbing piece of machinery (sorry, it’s probably too early for some readers)

      • chukicita

        Not if Cardone was on it.

      • Draco

        Never too early for cardone-snark 🙂

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I have some mixed feelings about that :-/

        • Ella Raitch

          And you’re European…!

    • Orglodyte

      Kinda reminds me of Dr. Strangelove. Waaaaaaaaahooooooooo! And why only 10X on the tail, are his stats down?

    • Fred G. Haseney

      Is that a flipper at the end of Ham Hock’s (Cardone’s) leg?

  • Jack99

    Good luck getting Miscavige to step down as the sciloon pope.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Litigating over the trademarks of Scientology? Yeah…no thanks. Although I wish anyone who takes Co$ to court luck, I can’t see anything coming of the sweeping changes these people are suggesting that CoS make.

    Geez, Dave you really are spinning. Gold/Int already looks like its own little North Korea with pretty facades, green lawns and zero people. Do you really need to “build a North Korea”? Either way, I’m with Tony on this. Please do this incredibly foolish thing, because there is never enough to laugh at you about.

    • FredEX2

      I love your posts NOLAGirl. To the point and delivered with a funny ‘stick it to ya’ at the end!

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Thanks Fred. 🙂 I just have a big mouth. LOL

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      You’re probably right.

      Years ago someone said to me that it will be a butterfly effect that brings them down. While the flapping of the wings of a butterfly almost always does nothing beyond putting the butterfly into the air, theoretically it can create a hurricane a half a world away. The more butterflies flapping, the greater the chance of the hurricane. This is another butterfly effect and we will see if it is the one that grows into something enormous.

    • Lighthouse

      Hope they have lots of money (for taking on cos).

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Right?? This is going to cost them a fortune.

      • Draco

        And another fundraising opportunity for Cap’n Davey!
        Save scientology from the squirrels!

  • John Smith

    #offtopic but had to share. John Mappin has at last launched his “TV Channel” prepare for 9 minutes of toe curling as he pontificates about Trump from the Round Table! Enjoy
    https://youtu.be/BCkGv3JK5_g

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Oh Observer…….

      Feels like a fun Monday. 😀

    • Graham

      I managed 3 min 35 secs, and in all that time he still hadn’t got round to discussing Trump. Comes across as a classic self-opinionated, bloviating bar-room bore.

    • salin

      I call BS, John. You have been tweeting gaga-star-struck tweets about Trump, sounding like a fan-girl, for months and months. Without a mention of food supplies.

      Nice way to try to do an upscale version of Alex Jones airing of extreme conspiracy theories, while covering up your fan-girl, drooling enthusiasm for Trump that you regularly show on social media. Who in the world do you think your audience is that will tune in to this tendril of your in-house “media empire” (the self published magazine distributed at your hotel, and now your self-airing tv pod casting distributed? at the rooms in your hotel)?

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        A Camelot Castle patron hits the remote button several times, a worried look on his face:

        “Honey….it’s on EVERY channel!”

      • jazzlover

        LOL. Coffee appropriately spilled.

    • Phil McKraken

      The word “asshat” was invented for John Mappin.

    • JMasiulewicz

      Check the pyramids for that food supply.

      • Bert Allen

        This is so scary. I generally hate Hitler LRH comparison references. But doesn’t Trump remind you of both. This is just like LRH considering the benefits of starting his own church, and Trump’s xenophobia reminds me hove Hitler proposing the removal of the Jews well before he came to power. Not to mention Trump;s uses of the big lie rhetorical technique.

        • chukicita

          An elderly friend who lived through Mussolini’s “leadership” remarked that she noticed the same kind of people who supported Mussolini are supporting Trump – and for the same reasons.

        • Chris Thompson
          • Bert Allen

            Thanks for throwing the B.S. flag on the false People magazine quote, but it doesn’t change my view of Trump. Absolutely the last thing I want is an ego-maniacal bully with his finger on the launch button of nuclear weapons.

        • Mockingbird

          You won’t like the evidence that Hubbard studied Hitler and tried to repeat his “successful actions”. There’s a lot of it. Also Robert Jay Lifton and Eric Hoffer and many others have strong evidence Hitler and Hubbard had similar personality disorders. Daniel Shaw also has literature on this. Trump is a narcissist in my opinion and reportedly has modeled his approach after Hitler. I am being literal. He uses simple phrases as Hitler did with repetition and an attempt to use emotional appeals and repetition to make enemies inspire disgust. A method Jon Atack explained to me as common to Hubbard and Hitler.

          • Bert Allen

            “Hate” was the wrong word in my previous comment. I should have said I avoid the comparison. Not because I don’t see it a s valid, I do, but because the COS is always painting “enemies” as Nazis and Hitler like. I want to elevate my criticism of the COS above there libelous techniques.

            • Mockingbird

              There are legitimate similarities in Hitler and Hubbard. The cult uses emotional propaganda without factual basis to mislead people.

      • Chris Thompson
    • BosonStark

      The Castle’s new castlewide TV channel is just meant as a cheap distraction so guests won’t notice their moldy toilet pods.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Hey Mappin, it’s been over 200 years since Brits made our political decisions or had any say in what goes on here so from the shores of the USA, I invite you to STFU.

      Know that I love our Bunkerite Brits and mean no offense to them at all here.

      • Graham

        No offense taken. I was wondering myself WTF the American elections had to do with him, the pompous ass.

    • Draco

      I find it intriguing that Camelot has managed to launch their TV “Network” before miscavige could get his media show off the ground! Gasp! Doesn’t it cost millions to do that? No? Maybe someone should tell the whales…

    • Draco

      Did this twat just call Zimbabwe “Rhodesia”? o_O
      Well…as long as his information is current then…

      • Franklin Adams

        A lot of the more overtly racist loonies on the far right in the US admire Rhodesia and South Africa prior to 1994. They generally know nothing about what really went on there in the context of the cold war or how things have been since.

    • One Human

      Wow, that is quite an introduction, for me, to the amazingly underwhelming personality of John Mappin.

      Trump really does have some “special” supporters.

      http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/sarah-palin-explodes-after-today-anchors-force-her-to-explain-why-she-blamed-obama-for-sons-arrest/

    • well, in fairness, Mr Mappin has done better than Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige and his media network (snort!).

      But I had to stop after three minutes, my toes were curling too hard.

    • Qbird

      Steven Cobert is so much more clever ~ https://youtu.be/WpKiP_gmDS8

    • Gus_Cox

      OMG, the douchebaggery! That assbag Cardone showing off how rich he is (probably in debt to his eyeballs though), and this twit Mappin prattling on like Bruce Wiseman about utterly inane shit (with the boom mic hanging unabashedly in camera view). Christ, I can’t stand it. I just can’t stand it.

  • Graham

    ‘ L. Ron Hubbard, before his death, had intended for the church…. to become more democratic and operate with more “checks and balances.” ‘

    Yeah, that sounds like Ron. Good ol’ democratic Ron. *Rolls eyes in disbelief*

    • Observer

      A totally democratic organization has a bad name in Dianetics and Scientology despite all this talk of agreement. It has been found by actual experiment (LA 1950) that groups of people called on to select a leader from among them by nomination and vote routinely select only those who would kill them. They select the talkers of big deeds and ignore the doers. They seem to select unerringly the men of average skill. That is never good enough in a leader and the people suffer from his lack of understanding. If you ever have occasion to elect a leader for your group, don’t be “democratic” about it.

      HCOPL 2 Nov 1970, “The Theory of Scientology Organizations”

      • Bunker Buggy Betsy

        Or as was said in a twilight zone ep:
        “I’m the God! I’m the God!”

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Amazing, Hubbard actually said that about democracy? So many of the good things in life that people have fought for (and which interfered in his megalomania) were turned on their heads by that terrible man.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          and of course NO ONE still in ever EVER knows any of these writings?…

          • Orglodyte

            KSW is at the beginning of every Scientology course.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              so does that mean that every scientologist including high level OT’s and the high level OT celebs know all of these writings, and not only know of them but agree with them? if that is the case the whole “innocent, because i didn’t know” excuse goes out the window then yes?!…

            • Orglodyte

              Hi Tracy, it’s complicated. Keeping Scientology Working, the 1965 policy Noesis quoted above, is known pretty much by heart by every Scientologist. But in context, the point LRH is making is that he, and he alone was able to come up with Scientology, and that groups don’t come up with anything worthwhile. He is also puffing himself up, and by extension, flattering the student — we know more than the originators of democracy, etc.

              So I think the typical student would just feel rather smug reading this, and the “LRH is god” meme would go a little deeper.

              When I was in, I knew about many alarming LRH quotes, such as the call to eliminate anyone below 2.0 on the tone scale. But I never took such stuff all that seriously — I figured LRH was exaggerating to make a point, he was obviously prone to hyperbole.

              I was in for 16 years and there are many abuses, the practical results of LRH’s words, that I did not know about. The penny dropped all at once over a 36 hour period of fascinated reading and thinking, and I was out for good.

            • Orglodyte

              Funny, I’m replying to my own comment. Maybe I should like it too. 🙂

              LRH had a special knack for implying that you, the reader, are the coolest person in the world … except for him, of course. May explain part of his inexplicable charm.

      • Mockingbird

        Thank you for saving me the trouble of digging this one up. I recalled parts of it from twenty three years ago but embarrassingly didn’t remember it verbatim. I unfortunately don’t have a photographic memory, just a pornographic one ! 😉

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Forgetting the vast swathes of Hubbard’s bloviations are part of your recovery. Congratulations!

          • Mockingbird

            Ha ha. I prefer to reframe them. By setting the lies in proper context they lose all force and can serve as evidence against Hubbard.

      • Noesis

        And don’t forget this gem of a quote from LRH contained in the Keeping Scientology Working policy:

        “And I don’t see that popular measures, self-abnegation and democracy have done anything for man but push him further into the mud. Currently, popularity endorses degraded novels, self-abnegation has filled the Southeast Asian jungles with stone idols and corpses, and democracy has given us inflation and income tax.”

        That Ronnie…always looking out for the welfare of others.

      • Mockingbird

        Can you make a new Ron Champion of democracy mag for us ? You can use parts of this quote and some of the ones I posted today ! It could be educational for independent Scientologists !

      • SciWatcher

        “Men of average skill” who are “never good enough in a leader” and cause the people to suffer from their “lack of understanding” apparently elect themselves as leaders, too.

      • Meepthorp

        That sounds to me like a Hubbardian form of the “Peter Principle”. Everything Hubbard wrote was stolen from actual original thinkers. That’s how it hooks people. But Hubbard ALWAYS added the dark twist to ideas he stole from others.

        • Draco

          “But Hubbard ALWAYS added the dark twist to ideas he stole from others.”
          And made them dangerous. i think this cannot be said often enough.

      • Phil McKraken

        “… Hubbard intended…”

        Talker, not doer, personified.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      yeah, like hitler once he wins the war.. will treat EVERYONE with kindness and dignity….

      • Mockingbird

        I, uh, hope you know the “destroy the world to save it” guys are fucking insane murderers.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          well yeah! i was trying just trying to make a analogy.. that’s all..

    • flying baby

      “He believed, and said, that benevolent dictatorship is the best political system, and saw himself as the only natural candidate.” – Jon Atack, A Piece of Blue Sky , Part 9: “Summing Up”, Chapter 1: “The Founder”

      “I seem to recall a tape where Hubbard extolled the ‘virtues’ of ‘benevolent dictatorships’ as the ‘Ideal’ form of government, but I suspect his understanding of ‘benevolent’ was synonymous with ‘malevolent.'” – Len Zinberg

      “Compassion is the vice of Kings; stamp down the wretched and the weak; this is the law of the strong; this is our law and the joy of the world.” – Aleister Crowley

      Hubbard on democracy..

      “Therefore a democracy is a collective-think of reactive banks.”

      “If you ever have occasion to elect a leader for your group, don’t be ‘democratic’ about it.”

      • Bob

        Benevolent monarchy, not dictatorship.

        • flying baby

          Yes.. I think you are correct!

  • kemist

    From a little distance, all you can read from the t-shirt of the guy handing out pamphlets is “Drugs”.

    “Man, you got drugs ? Oh. That crappy booklet again. Never mind. Grmbl grmbl grmbl damn insane sciloons… “

  • Ella Raitch

    Does the ham hock do his own stunts?

    • salin

      Well of course! As long as the plane stays on the ground like a piece of playground equipment.

    • MissCandle

      His totally pedicured foot proves he did not climb up the plane himself.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Ewww!

  • Newiga

    I could hardly keep myself from bursting into hysterical laughter after seeing the new picture of Grant Cardone. There’s typo on the plane, though. 10x should be 47x. 😉

    • aquaclara

      Trying to copy the Big Being TC in this shot? Or illustrate his new book “Snakes on a Plane” as he chases thetans to Mars? Right. It’s Monday, and I’m not even up to coffee yet.

      • Newiga

        “I’ve had it with these m*thaf*cking BTs on this m*thaf*cking DC-8!”

        • Mark Foster

          ” To Ass-holiness…and Beyond! ” Turbocock Cardone

          • Ella Raitch

            turbocock *snicker*

    • Bunker Buggy Betsy

      When a crazed millionaire Scientology shill and an airplane like each other very much.

      • Newiga

        When an ego gets so filled with hot-air that borders of good taste become blurry.

  • BosonStark

    Vannier is Elron II. Go for it. Melt ’em with your brain beams. The indies have the crazy on their side too — just not as much money. But they can sure postulate. Maybe uniforms would help their cause. Something nice and silvery.

    • kemist

      I got the perfect uniform for them. It will also protect them from harm somewhat (F5):

    • Andrew Robertson

      Striding around on the rooftop in Spandex and thigh high silver boots, Captain Bill Robertson (no relation), of the Galactic patrol anxiously scanned the sky for alien invaders from the Marcabian Fifth Invader Fleet .

      Sadly he never saw any and was thrown out of Scientology as being too crazy even for them.

      Andrew

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        Obviouosly Capt. Bill Roberston was channeling the ELwrong guy, he should have chanelled Wallace D. Fard Muhammad to find the Mothership

  • kemist

    Dave and his North Korea stunt :

    Would not surprise me one bit.

    We’re talking about the utter loons who once played dressing up as Nazis. The only thing I wonder is what else they can even do to look more like North Korea. They already have empty overdecorated building, underfed, captive, brainwashed devotees who get no sleep and an insane dictator.

    Maybe they’ll all get Dave’s haircut.

    • PickAnotherID

      Don’t forget they’ve already got the inward facing spikes on the fence around Gold.

      • Franklin Adams

        And at the CST facility in the mountains north of L.A. too. Y’know, to keep the bears out.

    • Andrew Robertson

      From the Clearwater Sun 1 Dec 1979,

      “So here come these Scientologists dressed up as Nazi storm troopers, goose-stepping along Myrtle Avenue toward the offices of the Clearwater Sun.”

      http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/clearwatersun/sun-nazi-1279.htm

      [Picture}

      Andrew

  • DMSTCC

    “It’s a book long on speculation and short on evidence.” – It wouldn’t be pro $cientology otherwise.

  • Bunker Buggy Betsy

    Good luck! Anything founded on slavishly following Hubbard cannot ultimately be good; it’s all so twisted and contradictory.

    OT

    https://twitter.com/limacharlie23/status/694017942833512448

    Ideal Trash Heap

    (For posting this, this poor woman was accosted by Scientology fan and Maine Lifetime Sex assault registrant Robert L Robinson. John Wood is not far behind! She’s vowed never to hashtag Scientology again!)

    • BosonStark

      They’re Scientologists, for Xenu’s sake, you’d think they could do something about that!

    • salin

      That is a pretty stunning photo. Wonder what that is all about.

      Ugh on twitter ambush/harassment by the crazy RLR.

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      Beautiful photo. Startling image.

    • PickAnotherID

      Did someone forget to take down the “Leave Recycling Here” sign? Makes me sick to see that $cientology flag on the same staff as the US flag. Makes me sicker to see the US flag on a $cientology building they way they abuse their members.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Shame we couldn’t unleash Ebner on that trash heap.

      I’ve been trying to figure out Robinson’s deal. I mean, he’s not a scientologist. Has he been enlisted as an online attack dog, to scare people into thinking twice about besmirching the CoS’s good name? Is he just doing this on his own for shits and giggles?

      • Bunker Buggy Betsy

        He’s a repeat sex offender who’s decided he wants to tweet about Scientology.

        He’s a known Internet troll. He has some computer skills, but otherwise appears to have major psychological issues.

        He got into a fight with an anonymous, rootbrian and posted this pic as his header.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6dee472ba7a7601829b4a6b99429df640aebd95138ca11d40f02477cceb2648e.png

        He’s not in Scientology, but there are indications he MIGHT be getting paid to tweet. As with many things regarding him, details are fuzzy. He posts weird videos of him eating and has a bizarre Flickr acct. He had an okcupid, but we managed to get him banned.

        He has many Twitter accts, many of which have been taken down, but he starts up again.

        His criminal record however is through Maine government, so that at least is solid info.

        He’s nuts. Scientology is a symptom.

    • eloise

      Is that weirdo Robinson the one who tweets the time and date every 7 minutes? I say hashtag Scientology all day and watch this ambassador for the ‘wins’ of Scientology fly the cults flag on social media.

      • Bunker Buggy Betsy

        That’s the one. He’s a known internet troll. He’s a bonafide child rapist. No joke! And he has taken up the cause of Scientology. He’s not in the church proper, but buys used Hubbard drivel. He poses with no shirt and his recent finds.

        Scientology attracts crazy!

        • eloise

          G-R-O-S-S

  • dchoiceisalwaysrs

    Not only my Jaw hit the floor, I am ROTFLMAO. And as regards the New Film rumoured to being shot at Gold, I think we will know as soon as the Purchase Order for 47x mirrors is approved by the IRS so that DM can see a an all angles view of a Prison of Belief. Will John Sweeney be invited to report on it all?
    . A wheel within a wheel a turning….is nothing compared to the spinning of a cult within a cult on a DVD or are they still using cassettes and real to real tapes for storage and playback. Keep an eye on DM’s hair dresser, he might have already ordered his nuclear powered hair cutting device. Check your stock of Niacin. Not only has Japan and Korea gone nuclear….so too is Gold base about to become even more toxic.

  • FredEX2

    It may be fitting that they make a film about ‘brainwashing’ with a set that looks like North Korea. They are very well versed ( and brainwashed themselves ) on the subject. And the starring role of Kim Jong Un could be believably played by dictator dapper Dave Miscarriage himself ( with some good stage make-up ) He’s got all the other stuff down-pat. Wouldn’t be much of an acting stretch.

    • MissCandle

      Shortie has everything needed to be a dictator, including a pompadour! But he’ll have to find a new colorist to change his from Donald-Trump-wierd-blond to black.

    • pluvo
      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        OMG And I thought the nightmares were over with. Pluvo, Alfred Hitchcock would hire you in a flash.

        • pluvo

          The shoop is from otviiisgrrr8. I can’t do them, I just find them.

  • PickAnotherID

    IANALADPOOTV, but I agree FICOS needs to narrow their focus, at least starting out. First knock down the trademark on $cientology, which should be fairly straight forward or there’d be no “Second Baptist Church”. Once that’s out of the way, or possibly at the same time, get squared away with 501(c)3 status as a religious organization.

    With 501(c)3 status firmly in hand, set up a “fixed donation” schedule similar to the current Cof$. If the IRS says, “No way.”, they should have standing to ask a court why Cof$ gets to do it, but FICOS doesn’t? If the IRS goes along with it, every other 501(c)3 organization in the country will be screaming bloody murder. Either way, it opens the door for a hard look at why the Cof$ is allowed to do something no other 501(c)3 is allowed to do.

    After that, if they want to get into an internecine battle about “church” governance, have at it.

  • Robert Ramsay

    If successful I sense a re writing of history where “someone” will
    attain a status similar to that of Rodrigo Borgia (Pope Alexander VI) 😉

  • salin

    My comments are on the copyright move, and are not addressing the other effort of attempting to force internal structural change in Co$.

    I am curious how Co$ would play this and how that strategy would reach/play out inside of the bubble? Do they take a Noisy all out war – to both try to asphyxiate the effort and to intimidate/attempt to stem other potential threats from trying the same thing in the future? That “track” would certainly be felt/seen/heard inside the bubble. Or do they just do the mountain of paperwork/briefings and try to keep it as far away from potential bubble puncturing as possible?

    How would this play on the inside, if whiff of the move happened? To those quietly discontent, but still in place, does it have a Debbie Cook letter-effect? A wake-up call and reinforcement of the notion that the ‘tech’ has been changed and something is really wrong? Or does it have a cognitive dissonance effect where the ‘us vs. them’ pull works as a magnet bonding even tighter those in to COB with the others being ‘righteously’ demonized?

    Thanks Tony, for giving us front row (peanut gallery, of course) seats from which to watch this potential spectacle.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Parsley, Sage, Rosemary’s Baby and Crime,
    but all I could think of with the photo of Grunt Cardoon was this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTaSJk0n_Y

  • PickAnotherID

    Cardone is going to get a lot of bugs in his teeth riding on the outside of that plane when it takes off.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      At least it’s not a DC8, so he doesn’t have to worry about picking up extra thetans.

  • Bert Allen

    Great reporting again by Tony. I could be wrong, but I think Vannier’s ultimate goal is not the establishment of the “Lutheran” branch of the COS. It is to become the “Pope” by applying enough pressure to the mother church to force the removal of Miscavige. Maybe all he is after is Miscavige removal. I really think that is a bridge to far. If his goal was to establish a functioning competitor they would have established a functioning congregation employing the name first and then applied for the trademark. This would have brought the 1st Amendment protections fully to bear in the trademark case.

    • Techie

      To be fair, Martin Luther also only wanted to reform the Catholic Church. He was not trying, at least at first, to start a new religion or a new flavor of Christianity. But maybe in the broader view a schism is inevitable. No two true believers actually believe the exact same thing, and unlike you and I they cannot really tolerate someone who does not fully buy in to their vision. Like the old joke about the last two Shakers, all alone in their iron-free barn somewhere. One says to the other “The only two I can really trust in this fallen world are thee and me… but I’m not really too sure about thee!”

  • “David Miscavige is an FBI plant, inserted to bring down Scientology in a long game played by the government”

    …..good grief, it all makes so much sense now, lol

    and thanks Grant, that photo will lend itself to some hilarious shoops of you riding various apendages and so on!

    • Tracy Schmitz

      and tom cruise is “also in on it”…. oh, he’s in on it in every way imaginable, just not by the fbi or govt..

  • Good luck to anyone willing to take on Scientology, particularly in the legal arena and especially in the United States where the provision of justice has more to do with wealth and politics than facts or merits of any case.

    For the Scientology critic, I suggest the FICOS vs Scientology situation serves up a WIN/WIN. Regardless of outcome, both sides will be expending resources which might otherwise be used to defraud innocents by making them pay money to learn how to duplicate the Xenu story to the discombobulated spiritual essences of aliens. Its also a remarkable demonstration of the fact that L Ron Hubbard’s tech is anything but workable. First off, if Scientology is workable, how did this situation ever eventuate and how is it being perpetuated? Surely there is enough ex-cult Scientologists now who could simply “AS-IS” Scientology’s Third Dynamic Engram of David Miscavige and – poof! – make it all better. Secondly, if Scientology is workable, what difference does its label make?

    Alas for all KSW engram chasers, the only, 100 percent effective way in which Scientology could be “saved” would be the publication of irrefutable evidence which confirms the existence of the state of Clear. The cry still echoes around this planet: “show me the motherfucking Clear!” Actually, never mind that, something far more basic-basic to the tech itself would be if someone were to confirm the existence of Engrams as defined by L Ron Hubbard. There’d be a Nobel Prize for anyone achieving that. But, hey, an even more basic and much easier to provide saviour for Scientology would be proof that Auditing improves intelligence as much as, or even half as much as, L Ron Hubbard said it does.

    But no. None of those things can be done. Accordingly, the only course left for those floundering around within the sticky remnants of a KSW Standard L Ron Hubbard Scientology mindfuck is to develop conspiracy theories which bolster confirmation bias and set off down the path of reorganising things into whatever concept one has of the “ideal scene”. Then thing will be better and mankind will be saved, right? Yep, as I said, good luck with that.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Or just getting an ashtray to stand up and then sit down.

    • Techie

      A simpler falsifiable claim would be that it improves reaction time. Hubbard famously bragged once that jet pilots were using Dianetics to improve their reaction time. It is easy to test and has much less uncertainty than “intelligence quotient” or some kind of personality test. You could also easily set up double-blind tests with placebos and really prove something. Probably something easy and repeatable, like the Self Analysis lists, would be better than the real Book One Dianetics simply because the procedure requires no belief in impossible things to administer. Though some may object that the SA lists are not unique to Hubbard. But I am sure the Indies want nothing to do with actual evidence based therapy, they are still enmired in the impossible dream.

  • pluvo
  • Xenu is my Homeboy

    It seems like someone does not like non-religious liberty in the Bunker today. My comments keep getting marked as spam.

    • pluvo

      It’s probably marked as spam when you do duplicate comments. Try changing the wording a bit (and if only with some dots).

      • Xenu is my Homeboy

        Thanks, I will try again.

  • Lighthouse

    Cardone will do anything to grab attention.

  • flying baby

    First Independent Church of Scientology?

    ‘First Independent’.. sounds like some kinda bank.

    And I think it’s GREAT that the CO$ is being challenged by a group called the religious liberty league – consisting of ex-scientologists.

    • Yes, but… This has happened before and been spoiled by kookery. I’m thinking on the billion dollar class action suit and Peter Letterese’s attempt.

      /off to get coffee.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    How far up into the atmosphere can you launch a ham hock? Can we please find out?

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Ham would burn up leaving the atmosphere so up that far at least. 🙂 Maybe we can strap him to the outside of the next thing headed for space?

      • chukicita

        Aw, we don’t wanna pollute space.

        • Observer

          There are already thousands of pieces of space junk orbiting earth. What’s one more?

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          That crazy, spray-tanned MF would probably survive and show up at the Space Station trying to sell them something. 😀

      • Xenu is my Homeboy

        Black holes have been described as the Universe’s cosmic vacuum cleaners. There is a super-massive black hole at the centre of our galaxy.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Hey, I like my bacon extra crispy…

  • Xenu is my Homeboy

    The idea that Miscavige is an FBI plant is laughable. Scientology does not need infiltrating to bring about its downfall. The seeds of its own fate are baked into its own DNA.

    I am not sure if everyone caught this story about examining conspiracy theories mathematically a week ago:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35411684

    Basically, the bigger the conspiracy, the higher the chance of unravelling quickly.

    • So I guess conspiracies about COS will get harder and harder to unravel. 🙂

  • TexasBroad

    I’ve been following the commenting at MS2 and at Religious Liberty League since they posted this endeavor as Breaking News three days ago. Since then, 23 people have made 34 comments at RLL and 10 ppl have commented at MS2. Regularly checking in on these blogs, I can report that while an interesting post may garner a lot of comments, the number of unique commenters isn’t very many. I hope to see this trademark challenge go forward. I can certainly see why there would be Indies who don’t comment on blogs so they can stay under the radar (even though you can post anonymously), but unless there are a lot more than evidenced by the number of commenters, it seems like much ado about nothing.

  • Jeb Burton

    I’m glad these people are creating headaches for DM, but if they follow the teachings of LRH, won’t they just keep doing the same old shit?

    • Draco

      According to the blurb, they will not have fair game or disconnection. So much for keeping scientology working! Who do they think wrote that shit in the first place?

  • chukicita

    For those playing at home – Tampa’s own Ideal Org called for all its Survival Rundown survivors of the past year to congregate for a photo op. At least on FB, 40 were invited — 8 showed up and 3 were “interested.”

    The Survival Rundown is where you learn to accept commands and carry out orders without thinking. When GAT II was released (I love that term – like it was locked up before, or something, and didn’t just fall out of DM’s tiny behind), it was pushed hard — every Scn had to pay for it, even if they had already paid for and completed previous versions. Even the homo novii OT8s. So I would guess that it’s a pretty good measurement to compute active membership.

    Last year’s Survival Rundown “graduates” shot had about 40 people in it. I wonder how many new faces will be in this year’s?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      “Students will then come on course and have a great session!” sounds more like a threat.

  • Chee Chalker

    Re; Grant Cardone…… Is that hair on his feet? Or dirt/sandel tan line?
    Also, there’s a homo-erotic joke in there somewhere

    • He’s gone from suck to blow.

      • Chee Chalker

        Thank you! I knew it was there somewhere!

  • Silence of the Clams

    “Gold is doing a film on brainwashing so they have created a set to look like North Korea.”

    You mean they just had a film crew shoot over to the RPF?

    • Techie

      Little known true fact: Hubbard said of Gold that “there is no RPF there”. That is why the “Gold RPF” was always at Happy Valley and officially not on the Gold Base. After they shut down Happy Valley they mostly shipped off RPF assignments from Gold and Int to the Pac base, but this causes a problem because the Gold base crew have mountains of overt-withold writeups in their folders that name Dave or other Int staff and the Int base crew have mentions of Gold base staff. Nobody in PAC is supposed to know that Int and Gold are on the same base. So somebody has to take a razor blade to the files and cut out the names, which takes forever. This process is called “vetting”. Meanwhile the Gold or Int staff at PAC are in a holding pattern waiting for their folders so they can start their “RPF Program”. This is probably part of the reason for “the Hole”, it is a way to severely punish someone who cannot be RPFed because there is officially no RPF at the Int Base. So Dave cannot just take a camera crew to Gold RPF berthing and shoot a North Korea internment camp video. There is no such place! Years ago he could have done it at Happy Valley but that is now sold back to the Soboba Indians.

      • Dylan

        I was on the RPF and the RPF’s rpf out at happy valley. it was a mess. when people would get transferred down to pac. there was no hope for them to return. The vorms had this problem. Tom vorm was the DCOE at CST and his was had been at int. She got RPFed and then sent to PAC. Tom still went down a visited with her weekly, even is he was only able to see her for a few minutes. tearing apart loyal people like this is one of the largest footbullets.

        • Techie

          Dylan, I think if they shot a “North Korean Internment Camp” video at the old Happy Valley RPF berthing nobody would believe it. Remember the outdoor shower that drained into the lawn? Maybe that was before your time, ’85 or so. The house with the floor falling down and the walls coming apart? The tarantulas in the Course Room? They did shoot “Setting up the Session and E-Meter” at Happy Valley but they built grass huts for that to make it look like Africa, the actual buildings were not in the shots.

          • Dylan

            it looked like a war zone for sure. When I first got there. I was amazed at all the personal belongings infront of the main house just down from the security building. hundreds of SO trunks and clothing/personal belongings all over. I was sent from CST directly to happy valley. did decks for about a month with full time sec checking. Andreas Galbiati was the RTC sec checker at the time. the RPF was mainly about 100-200 yards to the east of the main buildings. That is when they would get bussed in each day to INT to finish the new recording studios and the gym grounds etc. it was very nasty I remember the spiders and the overall dirty living conditions. coming from CST is was a shock at how bad they could make it for people. the overall fear od getting declared or slammed into the RPF was daily. at the same time you could not help but feel like they had no idea what to do with us and were just waiting for a reason to lable us. one by one everybody got RPFed or blew. some both.

          • Draco

            “The tarantulas in the Course Room” – guaranteed to keep your students wide awake 😀

            • Techie

              Hah, Draco, the tarantulas were pretty easy to deal with, very slow moving. The rattlesnakes were scarier but I never saw one in the courseroom. The coyotes mostly just made noise, I never actually saw one but we heard them almost every night. You had some pretty scary critters down in South Africa, the ones that scared me the most were the mosquitoes though. I was briefly in the Sea Org berthing in Joburg, and really wished they would put screens on the windows. Nobody else seemed to worry about it though, maybe the malaria mosquitoes don’t hang out in the city? Or maybe the locals are all immune and I was right to worry. Somehow I survived.

            • Draco

              No Malaria mozzies in Johannesburg! You have to hit the Kruger Park for those. I am lucky – mosquitoes don’t like me for some reason. 🙂

  • Fonda and Vannier probably won’t speak with you because you are critical of Scientology, hence: an SP, lol!

  • Mockingbird

    Scientology was NEVER meant to be democratic. Back in the earliest days of Scientology Hubbard had earned the nickname “the one man cult”. I found that when looking for a particular quote from Hubbard.

    Here are a few quotes from the most harmful and authoritative doctrine in Scientology: KSW series 1 Keeping Scientology Working.

    In all the years I have been engaged in research I have kept my comm lines wide open for research data. I once had the idea that a group could evolve truth. A third of a century has thoroughly disabused me of that idea. Willing as I was to accept suggestions and data, only a handful of suggestions (less than twenty) had long-run value and none were major or basic; and when I did accept major or basic suggestions and used them, we went astray and I repented and eventually had to “eat crow.”

    On the other hand there have been thousands and thousands of suggestions and writings which if accepted and acted upon would have resulted in the complete destruction of all our work as well as the sanity of pes. So I know what a group of people will do and how insane they will go in accepting unworkable “technology.” By actual record the percentages are about twenty to 100,000 that a group of human beings will dream up bad technology to destroy good technology. As we could have gotten along without suggestions, then, we had better steel ourselves to continue to do so now that we have made it. This point will of course be attacked as “unpopular,” “egotistical” and “undemocratic.” It very well may be. But it is also a survival point. And I don’t see that popular measures, self-abnegation and democracy have done anything for man but push him further into the mud. Currently, popularity endorses degraded novels, self-abnegation has filled the Southeast Asian jungles with stone idols and corpses, and democracy has given us inflation and income tax.

    Our technology has not been discovered by a group. True, if the group had not supported me in many ways I could not have discovered it either. But it remains that if in its formative stages it was not discovered by a group, then group efforts, one can safely assume, will not add to it or successfully alter it in the future. I can only say this now that it is done. There remains, of course, group tabulation or coordination of what has been done, which will be valuable — only so long as it does not seek to alter basic principles and successful applications.

    The common denominator of a group is the reactive bank. Thetans without banks have different responses. They only have their banks in common. They agree then only on bank principles. Person to person the bank is identical. So constructive ideas are individual and seldom get broad agreement in a human group. An individual must rise above an avid craving for agreement from a humanoid group to get anything decent done. The bank-agreement has been what has made Earth a Hell—and if you were looking for Hell and found Earth, it would certainly serve. War, famine, agony and disease has been the lot of man. Right now the great governments of Earth have developed the means of frying every man, woman and child on the planet. That is bank. That is the result of Collective Thought Agreement. The decent, pleasant things on this planet come from individual actions and ideas that have somehow gotten by the Group Idea. For that matter look how we ourselves are attacked by “public opinion” media. Yet there is no more ethical group on this planet than ourselves.
    Thus each one of us can rise above the domination of the bank and then, as a group of freed beings, achieve freedom and reason. It is only the aberrated group, the mob, that is destructive.

    When somebody enrolls, consider he or she has joined up for the duration of the universe—never permit an “open-minded” approach. If they’re going to quit let them quit fast. If they enrolled, they’re aboard, and if they’re aboard, they’re here on the same terms as the rest of us—win or die in the attempt. Never let them be half-minded about being Scientologists. The finest organizations in history have been tough, dedicated organizations. Not one namby-pamby bunch of pantywaist dilettantes have ever made anything. It’s a tough universe. The social veneer makes it seem mild. But only the tigers survive—and even they have a hard time. We’ll survive because we are tough and are dedicated. When we do instruct somebody properly he becomes more and more tiger. When we instruct half-mindedly and are afraid to offend, scared to enforce, we don’t make students into good Scientologists and that lets everybody down. When Mrs. Pattycake comes to us to be taught, turn that wandering doubt in her eye into a fixed, dedicated glare and she’ll win and we’ll all win. Humor her and we all die a little. The proper instruction attitude is, “You’re here so you’re a Scientologist. Now we’re going to make you into an expert auditor no matter what happens. We’d rather have you dead than incapable.” Ron Hubbard

    • Observer

      The Indies try so desperately to make it sound like Ron really was some kind of noble being, but his words thwart them at every turn, so they adjust their blinders and stubbornly march ahead. It’s both ludicrous and tragic.

      • Mockingbird

        You have known for a while, but I have found mountains of evidence in the two years since I left the cult. Once I threw off his authority and dug through materials on hypnosis, cognitive dissonance, thought reform, rhetoric, and logical fallacies to see what Hubbard was doing then my decades of indoctrination were reframed from blind faith in infallible wisdom to complete certainty the entirety of Dianetics and Scientology doctrine are lies and distortions intended to covertly enslave.

        I can just recall, often verbatim, thousands of quotes and realize they mean the worst possible interpretation or are outright lies.

        So there’s no lack of proof. Just a lack of minds free to examine the evidence.

      • Mockingbird

        You should see the ideas they put forth in secret Facebook groups. I sometimes get invited to share what I have found, then quickly attacked. They try to prove Hubbard was right by using his ideas and terms. They get shocked when I tell them misunderstood words, lack of mass, engrams and the reactive mind don’t exist. Good times.

      • Mockingbird

        It really is due to study tech annihilating the aptitudes for independent, critical, rational, logical and linear thinking. It habituates obedient blind submission to Hubbard’s authority to a hypnotic level. This creates trance logic which hides contradictions and creates Adamantium thick confirmation bias and denial for a mental slave.

  • Gerard Plourde

    Scott pretty much nailed the obstacles that FICOS has set up for itself. I’m not sure what Vannier hopes to do in mounting his demands that the Church (which he claims to be independent of) kick out MIscavige and reform itself. From a theological (hard to believe I’d use that in describing a conflict within Scientology) or philosophical standpoint it may make sense as a strategy to draw away disaffected members who still believe in Hubbard and the tech. From a legal standpoint it may complicate matters by in essence admitting that FICOS would accept the authority of the church if it re-established the final administrative structure Hubbard laid out.

  • Newiga

    Scientology using North Korea as an example of brainwashing? After I collected my jaw from the floor, I smelled the potential foot bullet heading straight to Davey-boy’s big toe.

    So what’s it gonna be:

    1) Look at how good WE have it! You could be living in North Korea!!! No rice and beans in NK!

    or

    2) CCHR: Evil Psych’s yada yada yada, Case Study: North Korea

    • ze moo

      If and when that new Gold video hits youtube, great hilarity will ensue.

      • Newiga

        At least, they’ve got the Soviet-esque propaganda style all covered… Just look at the videos they did on Alex Gibney and the Going Clear cast….

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        It will hit Youtube, and pretty fast, I imagine 🙂

  • Chris Thompson

    It’s an interesting premise. “Scientology” seems as generic as “Christian” at this point. But during The Reformation, reformers didn’t call themselves the Catholic Church, did they? I’m not sure how that went down.

    • Robert Eckert

      Yes, all the Protestant churches still recited the Apostles’ Creed including the line about believing in “the holy catholic church” which, to each of those churches, of course meant *their* church (the one true church).

  • SciWatcher

    You can take the independent out of Scientology, but you can’t take scientology out of the independent. It seems FICOS are following Hubbard lawyer tech by widening the field before the battle has even begun. Yep, it would be nice if the trade mark thing happened, but I’m also happy for it to fail. Since Vannier seems to be another Hubbard/Miscavige waiting to happen, who I’m guessing would be all too happy to scam a few unsuspecting people out of their money.

  • Mockingbird

    Here are some more quotes to show what Hubbard thought of democracy. Honestly the less he likes it the more I like it. Weird huh ?

    HCO PL 13 Feb 1965, “Politics”

    “Watching the US and Australia fight Scientology with blind fury while supporting oppressive mental and religious practices proves that democracy, applied to and used by aberrated people, is far from an ideal activity and is only aberrated democracy.

    “Therefore a democracy is a collective-think of reactive banks. Popular opinion is bank opinion.
    “Any human group is likely to elect only those who kill them. That’s concluded from actual 1950 experiments.”
    HCO PL 17 Mar 1965

    “The reason a democracy or any wide open group caves in lies in its extending its privileges of membership to those who seek to destroy it.” Ron Hubbard

    Here’s the quote Observer had below with a bit more.
    HCO PL 2 Nov 1970, “The Theory of Scientology Organizations”

    “A totally democratic organization has a bad name in Dianetics and Scientology despite all this talk of agreement. I has been found by actual experiment (LA 1950) that groups of people called on to select a leader from among them by nomination and vote routinely select only those who would kill them. They select the talkers of big deeds and ignore the doers. They seem to select unerringly the men of average skill. That is never good enough in a leader and the people suffer from his lack of understanding. If you ever have occasion to elect a leader for your group, don’t be “democratic” about it.”

    “This is a government circa mid-20th century. Its highest skill is murder which in its profundity it makes legal.

    Democracies _hate_ brains and skill. Don’t get in that rut. In the US War Between the States, militia companies elected their officers with great lack of success in battle. They finally learned after tens of thousands of casualties that it was skill not popularity that counted. Why be a casualty–learn first. Democracy is only possible in a nation of Clears–and even they can make mistakes. When the majority rules, the minority suffers. The best are always a minority.”

    • jazzlover

      He was rather simplistic in the way he drew conclusions, wasn’t he? LRH – making the obvious sound profound since 1953!

      • Mockingbird

        He preached underlying simplicity. Simply surrender all decision making to him !

        • jazzlover

          Anybody should be reluctant to surrender anything to a simpleton. One of the most shocking things for me about listening to anyone speak so highly of him is how easy it is to realize that it’s all so untrue, so hyperbolic, so over-the-top. That, I think, is what lends a real sense of “sleaziness” to it all. Even in the Bible, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost aren’t spoken about in such “shiny” terms.

          • Mockingbird

            He like all cult leaders gives incredibly simple answers which are cloaked in complexity. He wants to assume an idealized role like a father to cult members who submit like very young children to the infallible wisdom of a parent. In this relationship you don’t have to understand, just trust and obey.

            • jazzlover

              I understand. He managed to circumvent the one basic tenet regarding trust, though — it must be earned, in a world where it is not usually so easily earned. This is what I find so fascinating about mind control. I know that he exerted a form of hypnosis to achieve this goal, but the ease with which he did it is astounding to me. I know that this is a far deeper topic for discussion than what we’re getting into here, though.

            • Mockingbird

              I take it up at my blog. I recently wrote an eleven part series on the theory of Cognitive Dissonance by Leon Festinger that goes very, very far into this.

            • jazzlover

              I will read as time allows. I did manage to read your bio the other day. You’ve been through a ton, and are very lucky to have an understanding family 🙂 I am happy you’re out, and spreading the truth. Glad to have you around here, M!

            • Mockingbird

              Thanks. I just got the usual routine Scientology experience.

              I am luckier than many, many others in having a family that entirely completely rejects Scientology. And that I ran into Jon Atack’s work through the Bunker and Arnie Lerma’s through Lermanet. com.

              They saved me a lot of research.

            • jazzlover

              I realize that, but yours is the only case I’ve heard about here (or anywhere) where your spouse was not/never a scientologist. The fact that your marriage survived that is almost hard to believe based on all other accounts of marital “un-bliss” I’ve heard about regarding life in the cult.

            • Mockingbird

              Oh, I was just pressured to disconnect from her a few thousand times. You know, that’s how Scientology builds strong families !

  • Draco

    “Both Fonda and the man behind the Religious Liberty League website, Merrell Vannier, declined to talk to the Underground Bunker about the First Independent Church of Scientology.”

    This doesn’t surprise me. I know there are a lot of Indies that consider us “haters”, so they won’t read the Bunker or comment on it. Plus their “secret, sacred scriptures” are neither secret nor sacred here.

    Well, I hope they cause miscavige some headaches and a few more defections, as for expanding scientology? Nah – the cat is out of the bag with that one, I think. If they promise the same “levels of awareness and abilities gained” that elron promised (which nobody has ever achieved) they will run into the same problems as CoS has over the years. Without disconnection and draconian ethics rules, nothing will stop people from talking to one another about the absence of said abilities.

    But – carry on! If it discomfits that evil little gnome at the top of the pyramid, I’m happy 🙂

    • ze moo

      I have seen similar fights between the First, Second and Third Assembly of God. I have to wonder which group didn’t assemble their God correctly? Did they have parts left over? I hate when that happens.

      • Draco

        LOL!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Elron and Enron. Hmm.

  • SciWatcher

    “they have created a set to look like North Korea”

    Yeah, it’s called downtown Clearwater.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Ha, ha, ha. Best laugh today! How true.

  • Ella Raitch

    Could someone please shoop the MI:5 Tom Cruise clinging onto Cardone on the plane

    You know – this picture that got shooped onto John Travolta, hummingbirds and other assorted things that I can’t find right now

    http://www.blogbusters.ch/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/tom-cruise-flugzeug-stunt-mission-impossible-5.jpg

    • EnthralledObserver

      Seconded! lol

      • Sherbet

        You see, this is why I don’t like to fly. There’s always some d-bag hanging from the aircraft.

        • Mockingbird

          Can’t the TSA give him a body cavity search !?

          • Sherbet

            Oh, boy, I’m not going there, ‘bird!

            • Mockingbird

              Shoop !!

            • Sherbet

              Noooo!

  • Polly Anna

    Interesting reading of the case of Merrell Vannier.

    http://archive.law.fsu.edu/library/flsupct/61691/61691ans.pdf

  • Mockingbird

    One more set of quotes to show Hubbard opposed democracy from day one, book one.

    “Dianetics: The Mental Science of Modern Health”

    “Perhaps at some distant date only the unaberrated person will be granted civil rights under the law. Perhaps the goal will be reached at some future time when only the unaberrated person can attain to and benefit from citizenship. These are desirable goals and would produce a marked increase in the survival ability and happiness of man.”
    “Science of Survival”

    “The only answers would seem to be the permanent quarantine of such [‘1.1, or covertly hostile, low-toned’] persons from society to avoid the contagion of their insanities and the general turbulence which they bring into any order, thus forcing it lower on the scale, or processing such person until they have attained a level on the tone scale which gives them value.
    In any event, any person from 2.0 down on the tone scale should not have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind, because by abusing those rights he brings into being arduous and strenuous laws which are oppressive to those who need no such restraints.”

  • EnthralledObserver

    *jaw hit floor* Tone deaf… yes, that’s quite likely it seems. lol

  • EnthralledObserver

    Cardone needs shoes… he must have donated them to the CO$ too.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      While Cardone’s shoes are probably expensive enough to suit the Chicken of the Board, they are too big for him.

      • EnthralledObserver

        True… but maybe he’s still hoping $cientology actually works and he’ll have a growth spurt.

  • Sherbet

    Air traffic control to N385GC: Take off! Take off now!

    • shasha40

      Bwahahahaha ! Good one , Sherb ! 😀

    • There’s Cardones on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow!

      • Sherbet

        I think I see a terrified William Shatner looking out the window…

  • jazzlover

    That picture of Cardone! My eyes hurt.

    Respectable businessmen do not try so hard to be noticed. He’s like the little child who is always so proud of himself for tying his shoes. ‘Nuf said.

  • Observer

    As for Bishop Harris, he’s been a Scientology dupe and/or shill for awhile now.

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/11/prweb10157699.htm

  • Sherbet

    I, too, have received an unconfirmed tip. I heard that North Korea is doing a film on brainwashing, so they have created a set to look like a scientology org.

    • Rasha

      It’s actually a training film on brainwashing best practices.

    • Newiga

      LMAO!!

    • ithilien

      You meant, scientology lab.

  • Rasha

    What does it tell you when the biggest proponents of Scientology spend their time on the outside of airplanes? That alone says a lot.

  • ze moo

    While Merrell Vannier can’t practice law anymore, he does have the training and perhaps experience to run a simple trademark fight. Scott Pilutik has nailed how simple that trademark fight is. If they just keep to the trademark issue, the FICOS trademark battle is over before it begins. Remember what happened to the Washington Redskins trademark? The Trademark Trials & Appeals Board has some teeth and can do a lot of damage to the $cieno name.

    So why is Vannier going for the corporate reorganization of $cienoland? Its a threat, a threat that the Dinky Miscreant has to watch very carefully. The current structure of CO$ is in violation of the 93 IRS agreement, any real inquiry into that structure could cost DM his tax exemption. That is what Vannier is trying to hold over DM. Only it really opens a can of very expensive worms, worms that Vannier can’t afford.

    Unless Vannier has his own bob duggan hiding in the bushes, any attempt to discombobulate the current structure of CO$ is just farting into a hurricane. DM knows if there is a duggan hiding in the bushes, so what is the real endgame of FICOS? It looks like Vannier is just rolling the dice and hoping that snake eyes don’t come up.

    Meanwhile, DM loses more sleep and spends more on lawyers. I like that.

    What is Grant Cardone compensating for? The jokes write themselves…….

    • ithilien

      Dear ze, ive just gone thru the trademark application process ( see my post below) and the name imo clearly infringes on the preexisting church of scis trademark. The indies have to make a case that it will not cause confusion, and since it is in the same category and associated with the same processes, i dont think they can. In my earlier post i describe the process briefly. If it makes it to publication ( preliminary approval, ) it is put before the public. At that time other interested parties can file an assertion that it infringes on their preexisting tm. There is an appeal process that gives you at least one chance to make your case. I dont think their application differentiates itself enough from the prexisting tm to be approved.
      It is a simple issue, as you note, however, it does not deal with anything except similarity to preexisting tms. And it surely does.
      Varrnier might have been an attorney at one point, but it is a trademark issue that will stop ttis process, noting else.

      Simple solution, come up with a different name. Best solution of course would be to walk away from the whole enterprise. Another group of little tin hat dictators , or in this case disreputable disbarred lawyers messing around with peoples heads is definitely not needed.

    • ithilien

      Totally agree with the over compensation issue.

  • Meepthorp

    A possible insight into Vannier’s thinking: This is not a casual splintering like freezone and many of the past groups. This is an actual splintering. In order for it to be successful, FICOS will have to gain many more of the existing followers of COS. If they only formed a group with no communication with COS, it would be easy for COS to simply brand them another squirrel group (to the followers) and squash them. By (FICOS) making the demands about the existing COS, they will bring attention to what’s wrong with the current COS which will leak to the followers and explain to them (and others) about WHY a New COS is needed. This will capture more existing COS followers and bring them over. It will also give them general support. This is key- FICOS needs this in order to weaken COS further. Vannier is smarter than Miscavige, because Miscavige is SO predictable. Vannier already knows Miscavige will pop a vein and go on the attack, bringing more and more attention to the FICOS AND its DEMANDS, which will only help FICOS and weaken Miscavige. If Vannier and FICOS can remain “Kung Fu” about the attacks and simply ignore them while more and more attention is brought to their cause BY the COS and its raving lunatic mad dog team of lawyers and the millions they spend daily to harass exes, it’s a win-win for Vannier and FICOS. As an insider for 25 years and an outsider for 11 years, it makes sense to me.

    • MaxSpaceman

      A quarter century in the Clan of the Cave Clams. That’s a lot of North Korean-type indoctrination.

      Your regaining your personal freedom to live and choose what you will is exemplary. (Always enjoy your posts, Meep 🙂

  • chukicita

    OT: Because Scientology isn’t woo enough for the Travel Channel, the show “Ghost Adventures” this week features a scary trip to a “secret Scientology lab in L.A.”:

    “Find this episode of “Ghost Adventures” in Comcast cable’s On Demand section to see what the investigation reveals.

    Next Saturday night, the crew will take viewers to a secret Scientology lab in Los Angeles where the guys, again, experience disturbing energy.

    Audio/visual tech Jason “Jay” Wasley — a Blackwood native — received a mysterious burn while investigating the lab after provoking the spirit of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.”

    • Sherbet

      Your last paragraph — happens all the time. It’s called the purif.

    • BosonStark

      “Scientology lab” — hope there are lots of tubes, blinking lights and bubbling flasks.

      • chukicita

        It’s certainly not a place where actual science happens.

  • BosonStark

    If Hubbard had so much knowingness, certainly he knew his droppingness of the meat body was near and he would have put a structureness in place for when he croaked, and made sure EVERYONE got the telex. Instead, Scientology was designed to end when he did. (Except the money and scilebrities would keep it going for a while.)

    Aside from his personal care, which he left to Denk, Annie and Pat, he let Dave take over things, and didn’t really know what what was going on, because he went through so much mental and physical decline in the final years, that he thought things like chain smoking were going to prevent him from disease. And he spent his days growing his nails, writing out multi-digit numbers and worrying about his body thetans — “research” to Scientologists of all varieties.

    When he was in his 50s, it was his own delusion about Scientology, that he thought it would, of course, give him an extraordinarily long lifespan, and/or that he would reincarnate right away, so not to worry. Where the hell is he, indies? Children who were trapped in the Sea Org, usually semi-abandoned by their parents, were worse off under Hubbard than they are with Miscavige. Scientology was and always has been, a sort of “school for psychopaths,” bent on total world domination, people playacting at having special powerz, with the goal of eventually imposing Hubbard’s baloney as law. However, right now, they still have other laws to deal with, otherwise Vannier never would have been disbarred to begin with.

  • ithilien

    Have just gone thru the long process of getting a trademark for a Tarot deck i designed.

    First you must research the existing catalogue of trademarks already issued. If you find nothing comparable, you apply. Then an attorney is assigned to your case. They also go thru existing trademarks and advise if it is ok to proceed, or if your application too closely resembles someone elses’.

    I dont believe the application for the indies tm will get past that point, because the name is too similar, and the category of use ( a religion using sci ‘tech’ ) is actually identical. You might get away with it if the category of use was something very different from a religion, lets say scientology socks, for a goofy example, and the trademark would be limited to sock use only. It might help if they applied for the tm under preexisting use (in adverts or on other printed matter, or signage,)but since the indie group is in infancy it might not be applicable.

    If they happen to get past that point in the process, the applied for tm is published. At that time, the general public and other interested individuals can check the list of pending tms to see if their own tm has been infringed upon, in their opinion, file a complaint about it and make a case that it infringes on their tm.

    Im sure the corps of attorneys will be watching this process (its all public information) and make their case known at appropriate points in time.. I was surprised to read your experts comments that he thinks they have a shot at it . Im not an attorney, just an artist who has gone thru this process, and i dont think they have a chance.

    • t1kk

      Well, first, you’re right where you break down the process into its component parts, I was condensing the process to where I think it’s ultimately going. The PTO approves far more applications than they deny, and if FICOS is denied by the PTO, they’ll have an opportunity to appeal, where they can raise their first amendment objection and possibly escalate the issue into higher courts. The CoS is almost certainly going to intervene at its earliest opportunity, and they are not going to trust the PTO to get it right on their behalf.

      Second, as a religion, “Scientology” isn’t merely a brand, it’s a far broader signifier like “Catholic.” There are 600+ trademarks in TESS using the term “Catholic,” and I don’t even have to look to know that they’re not all centrally owned, and definitely not all by the Vatican or the US archdioceses. Why should the PTO approve those applications but not FICOS’s? There are dozens of other parallels I could draw here.

      Reduced to its essentials, the purpose of trademark law is twofold–to incentivize entrepreneurship and prevent consumer confusion. The CoS cannot credibly argue before TABB and possibly federal circuit courts that their trademark protection is necessary because their business model is threatened–because they’re ostensibly a religion and derive its tax exempt status from that legal fiction. The purpose of trademark law is *not* to protect monopolies, especially religious ones, as the IRS implicitly acknowledges religious entities as nonprofits. And where term “Independent” appears within the trademarked term, FICOS is already halfway home with their source confusion argument–FICOS makes its independence from the CoS clear with everything it publishes, indeed positioning itself as a critic of the CoS. Based on the available published materials on both sides, the chance of source confusion is practically non-existent.

  • Bunker Buggy Betsy

    Grant Cardone is more slim Pickens than Cher. F5

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Watch what you say about Slim Pickens!

      • Bunker Buggy Betsy

        Good grief!

      • daisy

        Single viable normal straight scientologist , now that is less than Slim Pickens.

    • villagedianne

      That was the first thing I thought of when I saw the Grant Cardone book cover. That’s why I checked the comments first before I put it in a comment of my own. I knew someone else probably got there first. Let’s go the videotape so we can hear Pickens’ cowboy yell:

      https://youtu.be/snTaSJk0n_Y

      Legend has it that Pickens did not know that the movie was a satire. LInk: http://mentalfloss.com/article/63436/15-things-you-might-not-know-about-dr-strangelove Excerpt:

      Kubrick led Pickens to believe that the film was supposed to be a serious war drama, prompting him to carry himself as he might in any of his Western pictures. Furthermore, according to James Earl Jones (who made his film debut in Dr. Strangelove) and Kubrick biographer John Baxter, Pickens behaved, and dressed, identically onscreen and off…not because he was “staying in character,” but because he apparently always acted like that.

      • Bunker Buggy Betsy

        That’s awesome! He sounded like a great character. Such a great movie. Thanks for the info!

    • madame duran

      I wish the jet engine Cardone was sitting on would actually thrust him up to space and leave him there.

  • flyonthewall

    My gaydar overloaded and short circuited as soon as I saw the pic of the TAD guy. Maybe that’s just the hipster metrosexual look now? Whatever it is, Scientology can handle that for him

    • Draco

      Had the same thought 🙂

      • flyonthewall

        oh hey glad you are here! I have something to confess to you but you must promise not to think less of me.

        • Draco

          Thanks Fly! That made me laugh! I get the same feeling when I start a 1000 piece puzzle. I look at all those teeny tiny pieces and I’m like – WTF was I thinking?!
          It’s all in the sorting and spotting nuances of colour. And patience. Lots of it. I have at least 3 puzzles I haven’t even opened yet. Oh wait … I think I gave them away … too much blue sky!!

        • Susan B.

          Ya need one or two others to help with a puzzle like that.

    • So hard to tell anymore. In my day, we looked gay . . . and we liked it! But I digress, whatever his orientation, they’re not stupid at the SF Ideal Org, they know that you put the prettiest Body Routers you have out on the streets for the potential raw meat.

  • Mockingbird

    Scientology doing a film on brainwashing. Those are called tech training films.

    It’s just too easy. One word: projection.

    • April

      How will they manage to identify brainwashing techniques in the film without having scientologists realize that’s exactly what the CO$ “tech” does? The mental gymnastics required to avoid seeing the connection will be extraordinary.

      • Mockingbird

        Touch ! There’s a phenomenon in Cults where members see mind control in other groups BUT don’t see it in their own group !

  • Lawsuits gone wrong:

    Church of Scientology Is Sued for $1 Billion January 2, 1987, AP, New York Times
    Court Ends $1-Billion Suit Alleging Scientology Fraud July 24, 1988, Los Angeles Times

    This court case didn’t stay focused and discrete, expanding to a lawsuit about everything. When the court ended it, it was a mercy-killing. (Rumors of CoS-infiltration to sidetrack and derail it. Mary Maren? Any relation to Arte?)

    Peter Letterese started with a reasonable lawsuit: He’d bought the rights to Effective Sales Closing Techniques, and wasn’t seeing a dime from CoS for their use of it. It rapidly turned into a kook-suit, involving a grand conspiracy by Scientology, Tom Cruise, Yahoo! and Google. Eventually I think the court took away his lawyer.

    Scientology: Ex-Scientologist Says Tom Cruise Bribed Judges October 31, 2008, Hamilton Nolan, Gawker
    Google, Yahoo, And ‘The International Scientology Crime Syndicate’ July 16, 2008, Thomas Claburn, Information Week
    Scientology Takes Off Kid Gloves Against Ex-Sciento Guy November 6, 2008, Dan Cox, FishbowlLA

  • CLEARly pissed off

    I have to laugh at the thought of DM being called an FBI plant. I am quite close to the person who recruited him into the CMO and got him to INT. He was 16 years old and just arrived at Flag after being trained at St. Hill. I don’t think the FBI recruit too many 13 or 14 year olds, train them for this task and then send him in, under cover. They also don’t recruit too many midgets. I interfaced daily with that little shit at INT before he grabbed power and he was just your average Kool-Aid drinker, CMO member. I hope he succeeds with his attack on the church, but Vannier should stay away from investigative reporting.

    • Dylan

      I was in the EPF and then CMo shortly after this time. was Cheryl Dechef CO for the CMO when DM was there? she was still CO when I got there. for a short time at least. then Tom Devocht took over after a few failed CO’s. Paul Grady was Action Chief CMOINT at that time. Ron Norton was CO FSO with Jon Lundeen FLB fin DIR. they had their matching corvettes and what not. the limbo time right before DM took control.

      • CLEARly pissed off

        I have no idea who was at CMO CW. I was at INT handling all of LRH’s communications at the time. Norton and Lundeen had matching corvettes???? Gee, I got my normal $10/week and could only afford a Hotwheels version of a Vet at the time. I left before Paul was Action Chief at INT.

        • Dylan

          hey don’t shoot the messenger. I was posted in CMOCW. just wondering who might have been posted with DM when he was there. or who was on his MERC lines from INT. I know some of the long time CMO people that were around the FLB at that time were Micky lipton, Maj Johnson, richard franklyn, Pilar S, gavin potter, Peta Graphton.

          yes ROn and JON had matching corvettes. it was from all the regg cycles they would take part in. I guess someone has to get a FSM fee for all that money taken in to the FSO. I did a FSO div 2 sort out mission. it was a mess. Everyone had their fingers in DIV 2 at that time. Janet light debbie cook ( then tech sec FSO.) the inner workings of a scientology org are even more crazy then have been explained. people are people.

          thanks for your insight. I like reading your recounts of times past.

          • CLEARly pissed off

            I wasn’t trying to be offensive toward you, in any manner whatsoever. DM never worked at CMO CW but went directly to INT after being recruited in ’76. By the way, he claims to have been a messenger but he was only ever a Junior Messenger, not a Senior Messenger. He portrays himself as the chosen one and hardly worked with LRH at all. Mostly as an assistant Cameraman on the Cine sets at Gilman. He was just a power-hungry, egomaniac.
            I left the SO in 82 and do not have any knowledge of anything that happened afterwards. I have a lot of info from 72 until 82 and hope to make it all public one day. I had no interest in the church for about 35 years. It is funny how their disconnection policy has created another enemy. I wouldn’t even be reading this site were it not for their evil ways.

            • Dylan

              CMO CW liked to claim that DM had been there. although there was no evidence of it. thanks for clearing that up. it was not like you could really talk about that stuff openly when one was in. I’m sorry you have been sucked back into the fold with the vile disconnection. I have been dealing with scientology disconnection for years. it is the main reason I stay active and continue to bug TOny O posting on his site.

              disconnection sucks and i hope that you are able to find reconnection one day. that is what all of us that deal with it hope for.

            • CLEARly pissed off

              I also hope you find reconnection one day. Disconnection and Fair Game are causing the cult to self destruct.

    • pluvo

      I like you insider stories. Very much. 🙂

    • I think Vannier has a few “Stable Datums” nailed in place that he’s unable to evaluate or change, and because they are “true for him”, the rest of entire universe has to be twisted around to keep them true.

      “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” (Or perhaps you should go back and examine your assumptions.)

      • Dylan

        walk a line till it blurs!

        • Maybe he has Cultgras syndrone, where his cult has been replaced with an identical but different cult?

          http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2016/01/21/cat-gras-syndrome/

          (Does anyone ever imagine that they have been replaced by an identical but different person?)

          • ze moo

            Once my college roommate played a nasty trick on me. While I was out, he replaced everything in the apartment with their exact duplicates. My mind is still boggled from that one…..

            • That happened to me, but since the duplicates were better than the originals, I didn’t say anything.

  • ShoopZ

    Now You Too Can Follow Grant Cardone Everywhere He Goes! (refresh) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N365GC

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Ooh, goodie 😀

      • Newiga

        You stole the words right out of my mouth! xD

      • daisy

        I wish they would make all their high profile members hang off or on to planes because with the law of averages and gravity predicts one of these assholes will fall off. Fingers crossed,

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Gulf Coast Capital Holdings LLC.

      We’ll remember that name. 🙂

    • Observer

      That’ll be more convenient than following the stench of his stogies.

    • Cue the Indiana Jones music…

    • A G200? WTF Grant? Can’t afford a G5 or a Global Challenger or a BBJ? What a shadow of a oligarch you are.

  • flyonthewall

    It’s fitting that Vannier, a believer in the illusion that is Hubbard’s Tech, also believes in the illusion of the CoS corporate structure. Keep chasing those ghosts Vannier, have fun.

    Also, it’s worth noting that Vannier’s defense for becoming Cazares’ lawyer and spying on his own client is that Cazares knew that Vannier was a CoS spy and took Vannier on as his lawyer in an effort to set him up to be disbarred. That’s right. Even after all these years and opportunity for self reflection Vannier still refuses to take responsibility for his repugnant and criminal behavior. Instead he chooses to lay the blame for the consequences of his actions on anyone other than himself much like a spoiled and emotionally stunted child.

    • ReallyMGM

      #applause

    • ithilien

      Is he abeliever, or is that the only scam he has left?

      • flyonthewall

        He’s a believer. Some ex’s come to terms with the fact that they were taken advantage of and conned by Hubbard and CoS but not indies like Vannier. They just double down on Hubbard and get bogged down in elaborate conspiracy theories to explain why the thing they dedicated their life to wasn’t really a sick joke and it is actually worth fighting for. Could be a kind of self-defense mechanism?

    • I have a feeling that ol’ Merrill didn’t want to be interviewed because he doesn’t actually have the stones to deal with our commentariat. These delusional, he-man, action hero types seldom do. They tend to have two settings, Rage and Hide.

  • ReallyMGM

    After the terrorist attacks in Paris (one at a stadium) and the increased security at all NFL stadiums in the US, just how close do the Co$ think they will get to the Super Bowl with their leaflets? That means theay are going to be leaving their litter for miles away from the event.
    If they can find workers. Rinder’s site seems to have evidence they are having trouble finding enough people workers to leaflet!

    ReallyMGM is battling a migraine this morning so please forgive typos, grammar errors, and if nothing makes sense.

    • jazzlover

      Maybe they’ll have them dropped into the stadium from DC-8’s as LRH would have wanted. Or from those cute little Amazon drones.

      • ReallyMGM

        There was a book and movie based sort of that premise in the 70s. The bad guys used a Goodyear blimps!

        At the time I read it, it didn’t seem possible anything like that would EVER happen. Now, I’m not as certain.

        (The book was “Black Sunday” and was the first book by Thomas Harris who wrote “Silence of the Lambs.”)

    • ithilien

      Back in the old days you used to be able to go to the superbowl without tickets, walk around the stadium that morning and buy them. Nowadays the line for security checks starts in the early am and no scalpers to be seen.

      • ReallyMGM

        I went to a Foo Fighter concert in October and I went through the metal detector “door” thing, then was wanded, my tiny “concert” purse searched (I only carry ID, credit card, iPhone). No alerts sounded. THEN, they gave me the good old body search, but mine turned into what was reminiscent of a high school date. (TMI) It was not the 1-2-3 usual pat down at concerts.
        I was in the “oldest people attending” category.” My husband was standing to the side dying laughing at me! Asshole!

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    About the Cardone picture:

    1) I feel sorry for the poor guy who had to go behind this asshole and make sure he didn’t do any damage to the plane that might cause them problems in the air. SMH

    2) This isn’t the only picture he took, there are more on Twitter, I can’t post them (and wouldn’t anyway lol) because I’m blocked, but they’re there if you want to see them.

    • Newiga

      Hahahahaa! The pictures are hilarious! What is the lotus position, Grant? Other practices, tsk, tsk!

      Also (F5)

      https://twitter.com/GrantCardone/status/694176744450973696

      • Or: “I feel better about my damaging, unethical business practices through self-justification.”

    • ithilien

      You can make a screen shot of anything you can see on your computer and save to you photo file. Just in case you want a picture of an idiot on a jet engine.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Or a goofball on top of a plane. 😀

        https://twitter.com/GrantCardone/status/693579754583281666

        • he realizes we can see the hanger in the background and he’s not fooling anyone into thinking he’s doing that with the plane in the air right?? right?? and why are his hoofs bare?

          i bet one of his captions is ‘i do my own stunts too’

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Nah, I don’t think he’s trying to make people believe he’s in the air. He’s just a d-bag. He’s not wearing shoes because whoever allowed him up there at least had the good sense to make sure he took them off so they didn’t damage the plane. ; )

            • douches corrode, so he’s damaging it by just being in any proximity of the plane!!

            • Mark Foster

              While a REAL douche cleans. Perfect.
              Scientology: Opposite World

          • His hoofs are bare so as not to harm the fuselage. Dorking around on an airframe like that is highly frowned upon in aviation circles.

            • ze moo

              The skin of the plane is so highly polished that his shoes would just scuff it and then he’d slip and fall off. He is high enough off the ground to damage the concrete with his little noggin…….

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          He’s squirreling, hah!

    • Spackle Motion

      He looks like a little douchey kid that is on a supermarket jet ride.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    This story is really interesting and Pilutik’s comments. It will keep little Davie busy and they can spend more money. Great, a religious war within it’s own script.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      That’s how I’m feeling about it Dee. Anything that costs the Tater Tot more billable hours…I’m good with. I don’t really understand what they hope to accomplish with the changes they want corporate Co$ to make but just the thought must make the Little Captain screech like a little girl. 😀

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Yes. He’ll jump up and down wailing, bangin’ his head on a wall, when the outside press gets it out.

  • ShoopZ

    Who the hell are Nutrimetrix and why are they shilling for Scientology?

    http://nutrametrixlinn.wix.com/childrenswellnesscenter

    https://twitter.com/Childrens_W_E_C

    https://twitter.com/nutrimetrix

    (refresh for images)

  • SucculentDuck

    Apologies if this has already been mentioned: they should be ashamed. But that’s not all.

  • Moonshot

    In his “epic” ten book Mission Earth series, Ron describes in detail how to create a globe spanning corporate hydra using super numerous corporations in multiple countries with “non-interlocking” Boards of Directors that any private or govermental enemy will untimately find impossible to defeat completely and more importantly, to keep the “hero” in complete secret control of the whole globe spanning corporate empire.

    The idea described was to create the illusion of independent local governance and control of each “link” corporation, while in fact control was secret and centralized at one ultimate node. Sound familar anyone?

    • Dylan

      I read the series as well. it was like he was mocking all the stupid people that fell for his made up world. a world based on nothing more than a megalomaniac’s flight of fancy. based loosely on the real thinkers of our time. sprinkle in a little ancient thought and we have a nice little bridge to sell. laughable HA

      • pluvo

        When Mission Earth came out, I was wondering why when it was so important to clear the
        planet and to get everyone up the Bridge, he was wasting his time with writing science fiction (of course you couldn’t mention it and question ‘Source’. I wonder what others were thinking about it.

        • Moonshot

          Well, when i was in the cult at that time, the idea was that LRH’s “brilliant” science fiction was another way to get the “PTS to the middle class” public to see the evil of the psychs and to “safe-point” LRH with the public. Basically, another avenue of recruitment for new members.

          • Dylan

            like the whole writers of the future scam. all of the monies collected from ASI and the sci fi books went to CST and building the underground vaults.

  • villagedianne

    Apparently the “shore story” for the corporate sort-out was a decentralization of power. Wouldn’t it be ironic if Vannier’s belief in this story led to a decentralization of the use of Scientology’s name and tech.

  • Sunny Sands

    As far as I know, individual church congregations register with the Secretary of State of their respective state, so they can carry on business as a legal entity. But I’m not familiar with churches trademarking their names, as in Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, or any denomination, and as what it appears First Independent Church of Scientology is trying to do. Wondering if it is common thing to do.

  • Tony Ortega

    NEW POST IS UP

  • George Layton

    It’s Feb. 1st, not April 1st.

  • George Layton

    Apparently if God is on your side you can do whatever you want, even if God is you.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    This will be an interesting and bloody fight. Scientology has a registered trademark/servicemark for “religious and ministerial services.” Fonda and Vanier have filed “an intent to use in commerce” trademark/servicemark registration application for “spiritual ministry services.” (See the photos.) So, will we see a fight over how much money scientology will lose in the competition for providing spiritual services if the Ford/Vanier mark is registered? Absolutely, and this will be a fascinating fight in which the IRS should be very interested.

  • HartleyPatterson

    “Gold is doing a film on brainwashing so they have created a set to look like North Korea.”
    That would be nothing to do with the present North Korea I suspect.

    After the Korean War the US Government claimed that the Regime of Evil had tried to brainwash prisoners of war. Perhaps they had. However, psychologists countered this by saying that ‘brainwashing’ was not possible. On this academic cult apologists based an entire edifice of silliness – ‘mind control’ didn’t exist and people left New Religious Movements without any mental problems, they were just whining bitter apostates.

    So there will be Our Brave Boys in prison camps not being brainwashed, followed by smiley happy Ronbots saying that they too are not at all brainwashed.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      It’s great to see you here, Hartley!

    • Mockingbird

      Unfortunately good people like Robert Jay Lifton and Margaret Singer exposed the truth. Thought reform aka undue influence is all too real.

      • As I remember it, Jon Atack’s “opening minds: the secret world of manipulation, undue influence and brainwashing” points first to Lifton’s book and then to the Chinese being the accomplished brainwashers (not the North Koreans).

        • Mockingbird

          I believe people in the Korean war were allegedly brainwashed. And North Korea has been known to use the methods the Chinese pioneered.

  • Bob

    From the point of view of hardcore scientologists, the whole world is brainwashed except for them. We are all caught in the Matrix except for the followers of Dweeby Miscavige and his Seaborgs.
    So from my perspective it makes sense that Gold is doing a film on brain washing to enlighten the unwashed engram invested masses.

    • Yeah, its a bizarre distraction technique, too.
      “Hey, don’t let anyone tell you you’re brainwashed. See, THIS is what brainwashing is really like.”

      • Mockingbird

        Hubbard loved it. That’s why he wrote about hypnosis and psychs and the whole track. Misdirection.

        • And just kept talking until heads would swim.

          • Mockingbird

            Yeah, swim towards his bullshit.

  • Jgg2012

    In the Wollersheim case, Scientology said that Scientology has no business value (trademarks, trade secrets), just spiritual value. In that case, they wanted to be established as a religion, but that position will hurt them in this case.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Next comment thread has blown up.

    See you there.

  • funnybroad

    Yes, please Scientology… use North Korea as your film’s backdrop! I can’t wait to see what happens when Kim Jong-Un sends his official goons to Hemet like he did in London when a barbershop made fun of his hair: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kim-jong-uns-men-visit-3416262

  • Baby

    I don’t know if this has been posted before from Milestone2..

    I found the comments interesting.

    https://milestonetwo.wordpress.com/2016/01/29/breaking-news/

  • Theo Sismanides

    Tony thanks for the good news. At least you are relaying all pertinent information and I am thrilled that the First Independent Church of Scientology is being established!!!

    • Baby

      Theo..MY Gawd I haven’t seen you in a long time.. Hope all is well with you.. Baby

    • Mockingbird

      Oh boy. This will eventually meet with opposition as well, if it survives.

  • J. Swift

    With Alfreddie Johnson’s World Literacy Crusade down the tubes, does
    this present an opportunity for another Scientology shill, Watts Bishop
    Franklin Harris, making the scene here at the Portland org, to move up
    the food chain?

    With Alfreddie, apparently, having lost his L.A. privileges, there is a vacuum left to fill. Bishop Franklin Harris has been in the Scientology world here in Los Angeles for a very long time. The Bishop is very will positioned to step into the spotlight once occupied by Rev. Alfreddie Johnson. Having said that the real question is this: Does the Bishop have Alfreddie’s dynamism? Does the Bishop have a partner like Hanan Islam?

    Alfreddie stayed at the top as an FSM and Scn public figure for a long time because he had a partner and an organization. Alfreddie was also good at grassroots organizing; Bishop Harris seems to lag in grassroots organizing.

    Rizza Islam would seem to be the heir apparent. Assuming his legal problems go away, Rizza will be Scientology’s new Man of God in Los Angeles. IMO, the Bishop is doing interim PR.

  • ze moo

    The clampire has been very rabid in defending its copyrights and trademarks in the past.

    https://androvillans.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/ex-scientologist-story-372-what-happaned-in-elmira/

    Legal papers in the Elmira NY trademark case:

    http://openjurist.org/794/f2d/38/church-of-scientology-international-v-elmira-mission-of-the-church-of-scientology

    DM has to be the nastiest bully on the block, it’s in his nature.

  • OOkpik

    This is an amazing, blog and it is sad that it has, so far, not gotten the attention it deserves.

    I almost missed it by logging in late in the day to the top post, not expecting two in one day.
    I’m so glad that Robert E. clued me in.
    Great stuff, Tony. I love fireworks!

  • indie8million

    There actually WAS a system of checks and balances in place BEFORE Miscavige started winding his serpent tail around everything.

    Hubbard set up a system where there was one person in charge of every major division on the org board. They would be in charge of that area personally, internationally. If there were changes that were to be made, these seven high ranking officers would have an executive council of some sort and compare policy and decide on the greatest good on what the outcome should be.

    For example:

    Ken Urquhart CS-7 for L. RON HUBBARD Founder – He was over the Executive Division – legal, estates, planning, etc.
    In 1969, Lt. Cmdr. Diana Hubbard CS-1 – in this position, she was over Division One, Hubbard Communications Division – Ethics officers, reception and routing of communication, etc.
    Tony Dunleavy CS-2 – In charge of Division 2, Dissemination Division – in charge of Central Files, promoting to existing public, registration of existing public, keeping stats.
    Lt. Vicki Polimeni CS-3 – Treasury Division – In charge of income, disbursements, etc.
    Lt. Cmdr. Joan Robertson CS-4 (Is this Bill Robertson’s wife?) – in charge of the Technical Division – Auditing, Case Supervising, Folder administration, etc.
    Irene Dunleavy CS-5 – Qualifications Division – Staff training, correction of auditors, etc.
    Lt. Cmdr. Diana Hubbard CS-6 – (She must have been double hatted) – in charge of all dissemination WW, public courses, intro auditing, Field Staff Members, Chaplians, etc.

    Plus, the watchdog committee, that kept an eye on everything, over all, so the “tech” stayed pure and everything was going along as it should. There was a lot of expansion going on while this system was in place.

    I think that most of these people are out or dead, aren’t they? Diana might be the only one, still-in. Anybody know?

    Anyway, this is the way Ron set it up originally and it was workable. As a matter of fact, the thing that finally made me decide that I was never going back is when I found out that NONE of these positions where any longer in force or being held by anyone and that the only people you could report to were RTC. And I knew that they were too close to the top to do anything about anyone.

    I thought that staying in was the only way to change it because you lost your power to be heard if you went out. Well, you aren’t heard in the church anyway. We have more of a chance of being heard (or read) here on Tony’s blog or Mike Rinder’s.

    So there you go. This was the way Ron set it up before he worried about being put in jail, etc.

    All of the original OEC’s have these notes on the PLs.
    Indie8