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A great peek into how Scientology uses fronts to love-bomb a public official

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[Chief Chad Loewen]

We’ve been really busy with an investigative story that we hope to uncork tomorrow. But in the meantime, we want to thank reader QBird, who took it upon herself to follow up on one of our recent stories.

You might remember our piece on Scientology claiming that it got $5.7 million from Google in the form of advertising grants. We first reported the story in 2014, but just recently it blew up again when it got picked up by other media. So on Thursday, we posted for the first time the audio recording of Scientology official Brandy Harrison talking about Google’s largesse at a Los Angeles “Ideal Org” fundraiser.

Brandy talked about other things as well. She quoted from a letter that a police chief in a small Minnesota town had written about the success he’d had with Scientology’s anti-drug campaign, the Foundation for a Drug-Free World.

“The Foundation for a Drug-Free World has put together one of the most comprehensive drug education programs in this country, and their commitment to drug education is clearly admirable,” wrote police chief Chad Loewen of Babbitt, Minnesota, a burg of about 1,500 people some 230 miles north of Minneapolis.

QBird, also a Minnesota resident, decided to call Chief Loewen and ask him if he realized that he was being used as an advertisement by the Church of Scientology as it tries to get donations from its members. But when she got him on the phone, instead they ended up chatting about what they had in common.

“We talked weather, fishing, his town, my town, where I work, how great our burgers are. He loves patty melts,” QBird says.

After finding out what a down-to-earth, pleasant guy Chief Loewen is, QBird then got to the point. She asked him if he realized he was being cited by Scientology as one of its success stories.

He told her that when our 2014 article came out, he received an e-mail from someone about the Foundation’s connection to Scientology. (“Was that you?” he asked QBird, but she said it wasn’t.) He looked up our article, and then learned about his letter being used in Brandy Harrison’s speech.

He was good enough to tell QBird the letter’s backstory.

“In 2014, the federal government awarded a $1.5 million grant to Minnesota toward drug education, and some of the money became available in Saint Louis County, where Babbitt is. He had three weeks to spend the money. He went online and found the Foundation for a Drug-Free World website. He didn’t know it was a front group for the Church of Scientology; it wasn’t stated anywhere on the website or in the literature,” QBird tells us. Loewen found that the quality of the materials were better than what the D.A.R.E. program puts out, and it looked like the kind of thing he needed to fight the serious problems of drug addiction in his community.

Even better, the packets of literature the Foundation offered were free — the city would only have to pay for shipping. So Chief Loewen ordered 56,000 of the packets, with shipping costing $7,000.

Loewen told QBird that he then received a call from Bob Adams, who said he was calling on behalf of the Foundation for a Drug-Free World, and that Loewen was going to be given a special award that would include being flown to Washington D.C.

Adams told Loewen that he was an NFL tight end who played for the Pittsburgh Steelers and New England Patriots back in the 1970s. But he didn’t say that he was also a public relations man for the Church of Scientology.

Loewen didn’t learn about that connection until he received the plane tickets for him and his wife to fly to DC to receive his award.

“They said ‘Church of Scientology’ on them,” QBird says. She adds that it “perplexed” Loewen and his wife. Up to that point, they didn’t know that Scientology had anything to do with what was going on. “His wife Googled Scientology, and she did not like what she found. They were very concerned. Chief Loewen talked to his priest — he’s a devout Catholic. His priest told him that as long as they did not push any doctrine on him, it was OK to accept the gift and use the packets.”

And what a gift. Not only were he and his wife being flown to DC for placing such a big order of anti-drug literature, but he also got a chance to meet his US Senator, former SNL cutup Al Franken, at a “breakfast with Al” with other Minnesotans. Also, Loewen’s US representative, Rick Nolan, attended the ceremony. And Scientology supplied some serious eye candy in the form of actress Erika Christensen. “His picture with her hangs in his office,” QBird says.

 
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That’s Loewen on the left and Rep. Rick Nolan in the middle, with Christensen, who thinks L. Ron Hubbard’s old taped lectures are “out of this universe!”

Besides the photo shoot, Loewen also got to experience a tour of the Scientology Org in Washington DC, and found it “big and beautiful” — but also empty.

So now, Loewen told QBird, he is well aware of the connection between the Foundation for a Drug-Free World and Scientology, and told her he will not “go to bat for them.”

“In fact, after the trip to DC he was contacted again by the church. They asked him if they could come up to Minnesota and film his lectures to the kids. He said no. He understands that they’ve used his letter and his acceptance speech in DC for their public relations,” she says. But he did write the letter, and it’s not something he can take back. It expressed how he felt about the materials from the Foundation, which he still believes are well done and useful in his fight against the scourge of drugs in his community. The booklets, although published by Scientology at its state-of-the-art printing facilities, say nothing about the Foundation’s connections to the church.

QBird said Chief Loewen was obviously deeply sincere about wanting to help his town with its drug problems, and she figured he wasn’t too happy about being used as a prop in Scientology’s fundraising. She asked him if he’d seen Going Clear yet, and he said he hadn’t. But he wanted to. We hope he does.

Yesterday, we sent an email to Chief Loewen, hoping to follow up on what he discussed with QBird. We’ll let you know what he says. And we want to give special thanks to QBird for following up on this story.

UPDATE: We talked to Chief Loewen today, who helped us correct a few details in this account, and gave us this quote to add:

“I don’t like publicity, good or bad. I just like the program and I think it’s helpful — it’s something I can use. I’m totally neutral in this. I’m not for or against them. I’m just a guy that uses the material. There are many reasons why I do this, and it’s not to go to bat for Scientology.”

UPDATE, JANUARY 14: Chief Loewen called to let us know that the city will not continue to teach the Scientology-backed Truth About Drugs classes. He also let us know that he had seen Alex Gibney’s documentary, Going Clear. “I didn’t know a lot of that stuff,” he told us.

 
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  • Cedilla

    “I’m just a guy that uses the material” – Chief Loewen

    “I’m just a police chief that uses the material”

    There, corrected.

    • Ben Franklin

      I am a bit torn on the issue because Chief Loewen seems to genuinely believe that the materials are better than anything else out there, and he also believes that it is working for him in saving money and also helping him achieve his drug education goals.

      On the other hand, we can not ignore the source of the materials and the fact that the content is not entirely factual based on Science.

      I believe it is comparable to buying a product made in China or anywhere else without knowing the working conditions, or the low wages paid to factory workers. Once a person finds out the truth, there is a dilemma. The dilemma is whether to drop the product or continue using the product. The result depends on ones moral threshold. That is how I see it.

      • Robert Eckert

        It’s more like you already brought it home from the store: not much point in throwing it away, now.

      • April

        The real problem is believing that some pamphlets are enough to keep kids from using drugs. I don’t care how well designed they are, if a kid wants to try drugs they’ll do it.

        • Ben Franklin

          It is a mixture of booklets, DVDs, and Video Clips. The most important thing in my opinion is actual talk in the classrooms. How many of them watch the videos or read the booklets? Hard to tell.

          • Scream Nevermore

            Could he not persuade a reformed used to go in and talk about their experiences? That’s what might have persuaded me when I was at school.

          • Cedilla

            Ben, I would love to have a look at the packet Chief Loewen received.
            But, I’m not gonna order it.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Write to the Chief and ask him to send you one.

  • Bubbsy

    Here’s a news item about a woman charged with kidnapping two children. It’s not related to Scientology, but I can’t help comparing these kids’ ordeal to standard Sea Org practice. Read this story and tell me: how is this substantially different to what the Sea Org is doing to children right this very minute?

    According to DNAInfo, two Korean teens in Queens had their passports withheld, contact with their parents cut off, and were forced to work long hours for no pay massaging and pampering the woman who held them. They were physically abused, and made to work further hours at a nearby supermarket, where their pay was seized and they were told that they in fact OWED money to their captor because they were freeloading.

    When the teens’ school caught wind of the situation (the kids were bruised and exhausted, missing lots of class and falling asleep at their desks), police intervened immediately. Severe charges were laid against the perpetrator (labor trafficking, endangering the welfare of a child, etc.), and there’s widespread public revulsion (rightly so) at the harrowing ordeal the kids went through. (“slaves!” “house of horrors!”)

    The Church of Scientology commits these same crimes against children as a matter of policy, and the public knows about it — thanks in part to the work of Tony O right here. But the Church gets away with it — the US Government even subsidizes them through tax breaks! It’s infuriating!

    When people ask me why I, as a never-in, spend so much time reading and talking about Scientology, I think about stories like this. I’m angry that the Church of Scientology gets a free pass from society to commit crimes so atrocious that if anyone else were committing them, there’d be pandemonium: police raids, perp-walks, media circuses, wall-to-wall Wolf Blitzer and the Coop, televised trials, heavy prison sentences, scolding Op-Eds from Nick Kristof, a decade’s supply of Lifetime Network dramatizations…

    Instead we get asshat “religious academics” like Reza Aslan who wave away human rights abuses as harmless expressions of religious piety (or some bullshit), and a government that looks the other way out of fear getting caught up in the politics of “religion.”

    What I wonder is, why isn’t everyone ELSE reading and talking about Scientology as much as we Bunkeroos are?

    But I digress… Anyways, here’s the link.

    http://dnain.fo/1RAmUuG

    • jazzlover

      You bring up many, many great points and concerns that most of us here share. The word is getting out there slowly but surely, but not quick enough for those that care about human rights issues deeply. The other thing is that we cannot force people to care — they either do or they don’t, and if you think about it, forcing concern and action from world citizens like you or me is the equivalent of what SciFi does in terms of holding people against their will, or subjugating them to the many abuses that are beginning to be revealed in detail. Free will can be a tricky thing to address. If we want it for all of the victims of this evil blight on humanity, we have to want it even for those that choose to turn away.

      • Bubbsy

        All true. The media plays an important role in shaping public opinion, so it’s good they’re less afraid of Scientology these days. The government plays an important role, too: obviously when the Church flagrantly abuses children without any legal consequences, it sends the message that their behaviour is acceptable.

        • Baby

          Welcome Bubbsy.. We are all so outraged.. It amazes me daily.. How the abuses happen on a daily basis is absolutely mind blowing.

        • jazzlover

          Absolutely, but none of that guarantees that people will care. What I hope for is that enough well-meaning people get the message and decide to do anything they can to help make a difference. If that happens (and there’s no doubt that there are enough people in the world who will/do care), I believe that the cherch will eventually get its come-uppance.

    • Qbird

      I swear, Bubbsy, of late, hearing stories like this, I more often than not feel embarrassed for my species.
      It just ain’t right what people do to each other & think it’s okay.

  • Susan B.

    Excellent job Qbird!

  • Scream Nevermore

    When Going Clear comes out on DVD, I think we should send the Chief a copy.

    • Tony Ortega
      • Sherbet

        What about Louis Theroux’s documentary? Any theatrical releases in the US yet, do you know?

        • flyonthewall

          ikr

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          If it’s released before June, and I’m able to buy a region 1 version, I will bring it with me to HowdyCon :)

          • Sherbet

            Hooray! (But I won’t be there.) Still, Hooray!

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              This does not make me happy :(

          • flyonthewall

            You’re not going to Howdycon. Stop lying!

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I hope so!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              YAY!

            • flyonthewall

              :)

          • Baby

            I can’t wait to see you again Betty.. I hope you remember me.. I promise I won’t be as loud this time.. I think I scared you away..haha

            • Ben Franklin

              I will never forget a picture of you hugging the balls. I can’t even remember the story but that image stuck on my mind

            • Baby

              I will NEVER live that down Ben..hahahaha.. Jason Beghe’s balls in CW.. I hugged them for the first time during Flag Down..( I think)

              and when Tony came to CW.. He’s the one who twisted my arm to do it.. I was in the MOOD too cause I was just Banned at the Library..hahaha PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFt

            • Ben Franklin

              It was funny. It stuck on my brain and I don’t think I will ever forget that. The same thing thing with Paulette Cooper photo bomb picture and Tony holding the tiny little Unbreakable Miss Lovely replica. Also, what I like to call the Bunker “scandal” (the photo of Pete and Betty posing on a bed in New York or Toronto, I think.)

              ETA: I almost forgot the photo of John Sweeney sipping tea next to a tea pot covered up in a warm “sweater”.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              That was very NSFW. Our grannies would have been livid 😛

              (It was in London.)

            • Ben Franklin

              Yes, London. Now I remember.

            • Juicer77

              It’s a tea cozy. Calling it a sweater around here will get you a sharply worded and polite, handwritten complaint letter. XD

            • Ben Franklin

              That was the first time I had ever seen one of those.

            • Juicer77

              I never understood why they NEED them here before! :)

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              But you understand now, right, my adopted sister? Right?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              You know you are supposed to teach Juicer these things BEFORE she makes an embarrassment of herself, right? Poor girl…

              😉

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              You’re right. Phew. Because that’s, like, the 5th question on the UK Residency Questionnaire.

              What is this (see image iii)?

              A. Willy-warmer
              B. Bobble hat
              C. Tea cozy

              Answer ‘C’, Juicer! Answer ‘C’!!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              It could be a toss-up between all 3. Either you know it, or you have to live life in shame.

            • grundoon

              whoops, i’ve been doing it wrong

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Oopsie! 😀

            • Juicer77

              I have learned to warm dinner plates in the oven or risk the food being stone cold before it reaches the table. No idea why, it’s not that cold here, and our house is pretty weather-tight. LOL

            • Baby

              Ben.. Crazy Bunker memories..hahahhaha..

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Did you actually just say “I hope you remember me” after we shared a 12-hour-round road trip ten months ago, you crazy baby! 😀

            • Baby

              I was just testing you.. xo.. I think of you every time I drive and stop at the rest stop on the way to Clearwater.. Such a gorgeous (f5) spot..https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6a949b185a20bdbf7cce75929886847e18d89cfa33e26196ddbf93528ea62b6f.jpg

            • Sherbet

              I like that one gull looking the other way. That’s what we should all aim for. When the whole world is doing one thing, do something different. Maybe a little measured craziness is healthy.

            • Baby

              Oh Sherb.. I think we attained that aim..a LONG time ago.. Just being on the Bunker qualifies us as ” Different..” ha..xo

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Look what I just found. Taken from inside your actual car! F5

            • Baby

              Awwwwwwww.. I never saw that before..cute.. You could be my daughter.. ( or granddaughter..ha) Thanks for sharing.. xoxo me..

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              If you gave birth to me when you were 15, perhaps! Great day :) I was I.C. batteries for your hookah and we sang our hearts out.

            • Baby

              Fabulous day.. It will always remain in my memory.. Always..

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      It is out on DVD, and has been for quite a while. Even I have it.

      • Scream Nevermore

        Not in the UK it isn’t. Unless I want to import a region 1 copy.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          But if you are going to send the Chief a copy he will want the region 1 version 😉

          • Scream Nevermore

            I’m not buying one for him if I can’t get one myself!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Mine plays on my DVD-player, so I think it’s region-free. I’m in Norway and bought it from Amazon US :-)

            • Cedilla

              Is your dvd player a Samsung?
              Edited to add – Multi All Region Code Zone Free?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              10 year old Pioneer.

            • Scream Nevermore

              Amazon UK says it’s region 1. You were just lucky! 😉

  • Baby

    ” I’m not for or against them.”
    ………………………..
    Chief.. Watch ” Going Clear ” and get back with us.. Thank you..

  • Mark

    Sterling work, QBird! You’re getting that touch of printer’s ink in your veins, like Tony.

    If only there were more police as open and honest as Chief Chad Loewen. Mind you, I hope he’s got one of those mirror-on-a-stick gizmos handy… (Refresh underseal as a top priority):

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      The weather here is an utter disgrace (and I’m taking it personally on Juicer’s behalf) but this warms the cockles of my heart :)

      • Sid

        Ah yes, something to conflagrate the cochleae cordis of my cardiac pulmonary conveyance system.

        • Sherbet

          That’s easy for you to say.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            😛

      • Juicer77

        THANK YOU! :)

  • flyonthewall

    No one ever says, “I wanna be a Scientologist when I grow up”

    • Mark

      Shortarse still does 😉

    • Jimmy3

      “I think of Scientology when I throw up.”

      • flyonthewall

        “Then your Ethics Officer goes around the corner and licks it up”

    • Sid

      Or:
      “I wanna sign a billion year contract”
      “I wanna work for 10 cents an hour”
      “I wanna eat crappy food,,, forever”
      “I wanna always be sleep deprived”

  • BabySmurfette

    O/T: Have any of you heard of the new upcoming Hulu show called ‘The Path’? I don’t think it airs until March but lots of stuff in the news from its creator specifically saying ‘no, it’s not supposed to be Scientology’. No matter what she says mainstream America (if it’s a hit) will refer to it as ‘that scientology show on Hulu’. Trailer below.

    http://www.indiewire.com/article/watch-the-path-trailer-hulu-aaron-paul-hugh-dancy-not-scientology-20160111

    • ze moo

      “It’s not about Scientology….. isn’t meant to be a fictional evaluation of the corrupt,
      celebrity-fueled “religion,” despite what viewers may assume from the
      new trailer (above).”

      When you are being used as a comparison for a cultic religion, what pr can save your??? In $cientology’s case, nothing.

  • richelieu jr

    Sounds like a nice guy the chief, but not to sound all “Dubya”, If you are ‘neutral’ on t in the .the issue, you are refs to pro CoS.
    He could very well retract his words if they were given under false pretences, as they clearly were.

    He choses not to, because he finds the leaflets “helpful” (je, cheap, affordable). This clearly means he knows nothing about drugs, addiction, or drug treatment par for the course for law enforcement.

    How be are realised early on the value of ‘useful idiots’ like this guy, and tailored his response to it. It is bough to sound “reasonable to these Coke, and to be a fellow traveller. LarH’s rabid anti-communism is s perfect example, only luckily the auS government vane FBI et so we’re smart enough to look a gift horse
    In its lying mouth back then.

    Today all the congress believes in is budget cuts, leaving well-intentioned
    People like Sherriff Stoolie here vulnerable to anyone with a too-good-to-be-true offer. Until this Republican fever settles, we will have Coke machines in schools, student fitness programs sponsored by Pepsi, McDonald’s School Lunches, fundamentalist Christan science textbooks and Abstinence a Education presented by expert Bristol soaking for only a couple of hundred thousand dollars per year…(all real things!), and yes, scientology helping the poor people of this guy’s town ‘learning’ about drugs stored in fat, engrams, and other Scilon junk Science. Whilst learning what a great, generous philanthropist LRH was…

    But, hey. It’s a cheap price to pay to weaken e
    Fixation and free up money for more corporate welfare and missives, right?nice guys like this will engirce the eviction of your family, turn a line eye to police snack downs,and use their keen, trained police eye to not suspect a thing when your 7k order (for shipping?) earns them a luxury trip and celeb flesh-pressing…

    Absolutely normal, right?i hate Donald Trump, but he is the only Republican in recorded history to say the truth- “When I give money to a politician, it isn’t for nothing. I expect a return of n my investment!”

    But hey, Sherriff Hayseed, what luck winning that lottery you never entered you must be quite a guy!
    Knit at all troubled by the fact the CoS never told you who they were and put you in publicity w/ô asking (my lawyer would sue before even asking me. It is simply not done!)?

    If is this business as usual? So unremarkable that it rates lower than fishing as subject if conversation?

    Shame on you. Your constituents deserve better tha your lazy lack I curiosity,suspicion and common sense.

    Andy Griffith would have smelled a rat in two seconds, but then again he is Hercule Poirot compared to Sherriff Knotts foot-bullet Farm here.

    “Hercule”? “Poirot”? Yes., that is French, the language of cheese-eating surrender monkeys who will ever know the taste of true Freedom Fries and who have no word for “entrepreneur “, which means:

    “If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.” It is spelled as above, but pronounced “Thanks Obama!”, apparently.

    • Doc M

      Sounds like you’re making a lot of assumptions and drawing a lot of conclusions that might not be warranted. Anyone can be suckered, no matter how smart you are. I don’t know the whole story and I don’t know the Scientology literature, but if it’s straight info on drug problems without the Scientology messages, purif’s etc, than he has the booklets, he paid for them and they can be helpful.

      Not everything can be researched, and even if he had researched, slick promoters like the church can make you believe info that might not be true. I’m guessing that he’s in a small town and most of his time is dealing with crime and protecting his fellow officers, trying to get more funding from the state etc.

      I think we need to give him the benefit of doubt before drawing conclusions.

      • Cedilla

        “I don’t know the whole story and I don’t know the Scientology literature, but if it’s straight info on drug problems without the Scientology messages, purif’s etc, than he has the booklets, he paid for them and they can be helpful.”

        One can only assume.

    • Cedilla

      I do so like your reports, richelieu jr.

  • flyonthewall

    Read these FDFW pamphlets or you will be like stoner sloth.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rHm8GbTHyE

    • April

      Stoner sloth is frickin hilarious.

      • flyonthewall

        ikr, he’s all mopey and sad. He needs some uppers or something, that would even him out

    • Scream Nevermore

      WTF???

      • flyonthewall

        i never heard of it either but I think it’s a legit Aussie anti-drug campaign, not a hoax. Idk for sure

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Ok… so someone actually buys this bs–smoked a whole lotta [‘specialist tobacco supplements’], can’t say this crap ever happened to me! (Monkey gets more communicative[, sorry] :) )[Edit]

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      HUUUGE slam on sloths here! What did they ever do deserve this negative attention? I say: support the sloths – become a stoner!

  • flyonthewall

    They said if I did Scientology I could become a super human OT homo novus. They lied.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHDKHKixKdY

  • Jgg2012

    You have to wonder how long Scientology can give $1.5 million to every locality to improve its awful reputation.

    • Paul V. Tupointeau

      I think the $1.5million was from the Federal Gov’t. It’s just too bad the chief fell for the cult’s glossy promos. I also wonder who quoted the $7000 shipping costs; did that go to the cult or to a reputable company?

      edited for spelling

      • Ben Franklin

        $7000 seems to be a lot of money for shipping, unless these things were being flown first class from wherever. Doesn’t CoS have closer distribution facilities nearby?

        • salin

          Down thread a bit Q bird said it wasn’t just booklets, there were DVDs and other promotional materials.

          • Ben Franklin

            I know, but still each packet costs $1 to ship which tells me they are not very heavy. They bought 56,000 packets which I assume were all shipped together.

            Anyway, without knowing exactly what was shipped or how much it weighed, it is hard to say, but, in my opinion, the amount just seemed a little bit too high for shipping charges.

            • ze moo

              The 56k packets were shared around the county. Yes, it does seem excessive. Profit anyone?

            • salin

              Straigtht to the linty pockets of the miniature miser.

    • Vaquera

      deleted. Posted in the wrong place. My bad.

  • Vaquera

    100% OT – I only share because this New England hamlet tickles me. As seen last night in the hall of our quaint 100 year old movie theater. #movietofarm #sustainablecinema f5

    • flyonthewall

      oh god, wouldn’t the butter and salt etc make the animals sick?

      • Vaquera

        Like it did me?

        • flyonthewall

          well they’re not accustomed to that stuff though and it’s not good for us either really. Those animals are going to have cholesterol problems if they keep eating movie theatre popcorn, lol

          • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

            well a lot of ’em are pumped full of steroids and antibiotics so I’m sure it’ll balance out :)

            • Vaquera

              Not in this crunchy, organic village.

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              that’s good!! :)

          • Observer

            I like my popcorn popped in coconut oil the old-fashioned pan-on-the-stove way, no salt, no butter. Yum!

            • flyonthewall

              oh yes, lady fly makes some mean popcorn that way. Not sure what kind of oil she uses though.

          • Vaquera

            Since the theater uses real butter, maybe, in the end, the roasters will be self-basting.

            • flyonthewall

              an evil scheme! my favorite

          • ze moo

            I spent several college summers working at a ‘snack food factory’, the stuff that couldn’t be made into ‘snack foods’ was sold off to local farms. Mostly for pigs, but the cows got some too. Both needed the fats and salt. They didn’t get any of the barbecue or sour cream stuff though.

            • flyonthewall

              too yummy for them?

            • salin

              who knew?!

        • flyonthewall

          wait a sec, did you eat the popcorn out of that bag? You’re not suppose to do that, that’s for the animals silly

          • Vaquera

            Pleading the fifth.

  • Beth

    Just sent Chief Loewen a Going Clear DVD.

    • salin

      Big thumbs up, Beth!

      • Beth

        Jess sittin’ in Starbucks killin’ time :)
        Sugarplumfairy and David Bowie have fairy-slapped the crap out of me. 2016 is going to be interesting :)

        • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

          agreed about that…..should try to make positives out of that via doing good deeds—more than usual—and reading more, listening to new artists, challenging ourselves…..

          • Beth

            Absolutely.

    • daisy

      I am so impressed, thank you Beth !

    • Qbird

      I sent him a link to watch it for free. But good job who knows how my people will see this DVD you have sent him. Let us hope that it will be many.

  • J. Swift

    Once one digs into the details, the Foundation for a Drug Free World is found to be a thoroughgoing scam. When any unsuspecting person of goodwill — Chief Loewen, a high school principal, a city council member — accepts a “gift” from the Foundation for a Drug Free World, they are actually accepting a Trojan Horse with Scientology PR Cult Vampires hidden inside. In Chief Loewen’s case he got a fat PR Cult Vampire named VP Bob Adams.

    I have the evidence and will forward it to the Proprietor for a story.

    • flyonthewall

      free toy inside! free toy inside! *claps hands*

      • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

        I want a free toy too!!

        • flyonthewall

          I got a secret decoder ring

          • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

            I got some temporary tattoos!!

            • Observer

              I got a fat PR cult vampire. 😀

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              Hopefully your next box will have the proper tools to defeat it with! 😉

            • flyonthewall

              :( I’m sorry Obs. Maybe your wiener dogs will eat it?

            • flyonthewall

              yess!

          • Missionary Kid

            When you use the decoder, the message you got was, “This message comes to you from $cientology. You are now officially fucked.”

        • One Human

          Having cats, have you tried this:

          http://www.hulu.com/watch/281024

        • salin

          Bah humbug. A david miscavige bobblehead doll. ugh.

          • Sherbet

            Life sized?

            • salin

              Could be scale – just abit more than 5 inches tall.

          • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

            Dude, the fun you can have with that!!! Have Barbie put him in an undisclosed location!! Feed him rice and beans! FUN!!

            • salin

              Look, he’s doing headstands, in the corner, in the dark!

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              Look at that pie face he has!!

            • salin

              Oops now he’s got pie in that pie face. Boston Cream.

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              WHAT ARE HIS CRIMES?!

            • salin

              Let us count the ways.

            • OOkpik

              What a waste!

            • salin

              XD

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        If it’s the OTVIIIisgrrr8 temporary tattoo I want it. :)

        • Sherbet

          Nope, it looks like, wait a sec, yes, it’s a whistle. You got a whistle.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Fly!! You need a whistle? 😀

            • Sherbet

              Forget it. It broke already. Darn cheap whistles.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Well damn, that’s disappointing. I’m going to soothe my disappointment with a cocktail and a piece of king cake. LOL

            • Sherbet

              I don’t blame you. Do it.

            • chukicita

              King cake! Mmmmmm.

            • flyonthewall

              Can i use it as a rape whistle? If not then no thnks

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Apparently it’s broken so, not so much. 😀

            • flyonthewall

              :( oh, but i don’t wanna be raped

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              If anyone lays a finger on you I’ll break their arm. You’re good. ; )

      • sashiebgood

        I want one of those new clear bracelets! does the slushie cost $100,000?

    • Observer

      I cannot stop laughing at the last sentence.

      EDIT: I mean the fat PR Cult Vampire sentence. *wheeze*

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      Bob Adams is still the VP of Church of Scientology International, right? They’ve been downplaying that over the last several years. I guess they don’t want anyone to ask “Who’s the president and where is he?” (plus, it’s a zero position.)

    • ze moo

      Drug Free World is such a total scam in this case. The Chief only had to pay shipping for the ‘packets’ and some whale paid for the ‘packets’. The profit on the printing went into DFW’s pockets and the pockets of the reg who ‘sold’ them and the printing plant. The hierarchy of DFW got some of the profit too, as did the dwarfenführer.

    • Sid

      Scientology itself could be considered a front group for the David Miscavige Slush Fund.

      • jazzlover

        The new “scientology slushee” sold exclusively at a 7/11 near you.

      • thetastic

        I love this post so much.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      For your information “fat PR Cult Vampire VP Bob Adams” played American football professionally and so this makes him a world expert on drug education. Likewise, Scientology has made actresses Kelly Preston and Tom Cruise experts on the dangers of psychiatric medications.

      Bob Adams also proves that Scientology and Dianetics have, and can, miraculously help football players:

      http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/scienowriter/Miracles%20001_zpsv5akntww.jpg

      • jazzlover

        ROFLMAO. That first sentence is classic and just may describe all of sports :) I think you and I should go see “Concussion” together. You can tell me about all the juicy tidbits in Will’s PC folder.

      • Sherbet

        I thought American actors are the world experts on drug education. Now I’m confused.

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        (Sorry, late to the party…)Thought all the grid-iron boys were ’roid freaks from the start, or is that a recent development in pro-ball?!

      • Lionel Drinkwater

        The supposedly injured fellow has his hands suspiciously buried under the green blanket as if engaged in act of covert self pollution. Surely this SP pulled in a fake injury so he could lay in bed all day, watch Scientology porn, and masturbate. Where are the OSA masturbation police and why was this image allowed to be released given its perverted undertones?

        When I was growing up and attending Catholic boarding schools we were absolutely never allowed to sleep with our hands under our blankets. Those offenders who did so were immediately clamped into a pair of Reverend Looper’s patented anti-masturbatory steel wool mittens!

  • Wog

    Dear Chief Loewen:

    Let’s hope no one you care about gets trapped in Scientology.

    You only then will have total conceptual understanding of what Scientology is and what it is not AND you will kick yourself for promoting this evil cult.

    By all means, enjoy your “love bombing” by Scientology and hopefully no one goes in and gets destroyed due to your now “wilfull ignorance” promoting this faux religion / drug rehab / church / help organization that destroys lives, shatters dreams, ruins families, kills, maims and bankrupts members.”

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, Wog!

  • nottrue
  • Todd Tomorrow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eYrPTTD-2s For you pretty things. O.T.

  • salin

    o/t Ken Burns creates a ‘documentary’ of the “Oregon Standoff” – prepare to laugh.

    Onedit – not actually done by Ken Burns – more an ‘inspired by’.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d8-rM9up7E

    • flyonthewall

      that’s good stuff

    • jazzlover

      That was at least twice as good as the Ken Burns doc on “Jazz” :) Please refrain from using his name in vain again, or risk reporting to the front lines to referee an endless game of militia volleyball.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Amazing! 😀 And is that the same man who does “Sad Cat Diary”?

  • Sookie Sookie

    Standing ovation to Qbird for the activism and education! I’ve always admired your comments (and the images you include!) but now I realize what a charming personality you must truly have — it’s not everyone who could engage a police chief and keep him interested enough to want to chat for as long as he did.

    You are a winner of hearts and minds, and I offer you this image of one of the wisest, gentlest birds I’ve ever learned from. (F5)

    http://i.imgur.com/GlH5A5T.jpg

    • One Human

      If you get a chance, watch “I Am Big Bird”, the touching documentary about Caroll Spinney, the man behind Big Bird and Oscar the Grouch.

      • Qbird

        I found this documentary in YouTube & we’ll watch it later tonight. Thanks One Human.

  • Dave Reams

    I can’t imagine the breakfast with Al Franken had anything to do with Scientology!

  • Always Amazed

    How disgusting, Scientology has a new shill in 2016. Congratulations Chief Loewen!

    There is no neutral when it comes to Scientology.

    • Qbird

      He is not shilling for Scientology, AA. As he lectures schoolchildren on the dangers of drug abuse it, scn, never ever comes up.

      • Always Amazed

        I don’t see it that way, but I am glad he folded under pressure. In the end, I hope he really doesn’t take the money. Have you read any of the city council minutes of babbitt?

        I am a cynic when it comes to scn, my gut does not trust him…. I hope I am wrong. By the way Qbird, I appreciate you can respond to me and disagree constructively . Sometimes that is no the case here.

  • Graham

    Oscar nominations to be announced this Thursday according to BBC.

  • http://www.4chan.org/ Vistaril

    A couple of weeks ago, TonyO told us about Reza Aslan preparing to soft-soap Scientology for a CNN series. Any one thinking of taking part in his series should be advised that Aslan as been exposed as a braggart and all-round bullshit artist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9RmAo6XVAA

    • One Human

      Thanks Vistaril, bookmarking this.

    • Sherbet

      He sounds like Tom Cruise bragging about the church. “We are/I am the expert.”

      • Joe

        “You don’t know the history of Islam, I DO.”

        • Sherbet

          “And what I don’t know, I’ll lie about.”

    • Mark

      How horribly reminiscent of Shortarse Reza Asshole Aslan is: a diminutive, fraudulent ignoramus accusing his critics of “bigotry” in ad hominem attacks. Dunning-Kruger syndrome, anyone?

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        No, no… it was right first time.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I love David Pakman. Good find.

      • Sherbet

        There’s a guy who did his homework.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I love him too – but like a brother.

    • Sherbet

      Please, can this clown be publicly discredited and defrocked of his phony expertise? Bill Maher? Jon Stewart? Are you listening?

      • MrsLurksALot

        I wish John Oliver would have a go at him. Imagine that takedown.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Are they both featured in this piece interviewing Aslan in a congenial way? I hope somebody shows this to them.

        • Sherbet

          There were clips of him on their shows, which implies he was invited as an expert and author.

          • madame duran

            As a respected expert or simply a counterpoint to whatever arguments the others invited guests were making?

    • 9001

      Reza Aslan is a fake.
      Agree with most of what David Pakman says here but not what he says about Amnesty International. They are NOT anti Israel. If they were they would have supported Mordacai Vannunu when he was kidnapped in London and taken to Israel.
      Aslan mixes creative writing with religion…a little like Fatty did! And he’s as much of a fraud.

      • Sherbet

        He’s so full of himself; you can see it. He’s like a Muslim Geraldo.

        • 9001

          Laughed at that!
          But at least Geraldo doesn’t keep telling you how qualified he is.
          Hope all this info on the internet will reduce his TV appearances.

          • Sherbet

            True (about Geraldo). Let’s hope the truth cuts into Aslan’s side job as a Rent-An-Expert.

        • Observer

          Oooo, is he gonna open Ron’s Vault?!

          • Sherbet

            Yes, and same as Al Capone’s vault, it’s completely empty.

    • salin

      Excellent video. Thanks for posting it.

    • Narapoid

      What a colossal ass Aslan is. Thanks for sharing!
      Edit to add: Hey, this guy flips the word ‘bigot’ pretty easily. There is a certain $3 billion dollar cult that doesn’t have a spokesman! I watched him debate Sam Harris and I think he has chops at least as good as Tommy D!

  • Sibs

    Well, if Blubbard was still alive, he’d be safe from the government prosecuting him for those fake medals he bragged about. Apparently wearing medals you didn’t earn is now an expression of the first amendment… http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-stolen-valor-act-court-20160111-story.html?14525768403773

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Blergh.

      • Sibs

        Yeah, not gonna lie, the thought makes me sick too.

    • Juicer77

      WHAT!?!

    • MrsLurksALot

      This makes me angry. Real angry.

    • Sherbet

      cos claimed lrh earned medals that hadn’t been created yet. How insulting to people who served the country.

      • Sibs

        And lying about it is apparently free speech too, according to this article. I don’t get how lying about valor can be a protected free expression. It doesn’t serve an artistic, political, or spiritual point, it’s just plain lying and taking credit for something somebody else died for.

        Anyway. On the subject of First Amendment abuse.

        • salin

          Ugh. Thanks for posting the link upthread. It really bugs me. But seems important to know.

    • ze moo

      Supreme Court decisions often leave much to be desired. As long as the person doesn’t try to fraudulently get benefits from their scam, they are free to ‘play Lron’.

      Four of my uncles saw combat in WW2. One lost a 1/3 of his shipmates to a German bomb. Another was a stretcher bearer in the famous 101 Band of Brothers.

      The man in the article was a veteran, but not a real Purple Heart recipient. Shame on him.

      • Rasha

        Your uncles are honorable men.

    • Rasha

      WHAT??? Oh, nononononononono.. No. That is not an expression of the first amendment, it’s an abuse. It is dishonorable.

    • Qbird

      This ain’t right. Period.

  • burythenuts

    Q-bird! You ROCK!

  • burythenuts

    One cannot be neutral on Scientology.
    Unless you are determined to be an idiot.
    Sorry Chief. That don’t fly here.

    • Baby

      I know..and I even Thanked him! Jeeze..

      • burythenuts

        Huh? Whatdidimiss.com

  • Nat-leficent

    If anyone posts something here as me, it’s not me. Jimmy is playing with my phone.

    • Nat-leficent

      Never mind that. I have a big poopy butt

      • Nat-leficent

        DAMMIT!

        • Juicer77

          You two are making me howl!! XD

      • flyonthewall

        Hmm, I am intrigued. Tell me more about this “poopy butt”

      • Baby

        I have a diaper I can loan you, but it smells like smoke.

        • Rasha

          “Smokey Dipey” is a good name for a band.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Jeez–you let Jimmy near your phone unattended… you deserve everything you get :):)

      • Nat-leficent

        I am too trusting.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Definitely :) (ETA: Monkey’s phone is protected by many arcane methods)ETA2: Not as thorough as the security on the new MonkeyTop–there’s a browsing history that has to remain private!

        • Rasha

          Who is?

    • daisy

      goofs

    • Sherbet

      Is it like a Samantha/Serena “Bewitched” thing?

      • Observer

        Jimmy would make a fetching Serena!

        • Rasha

          XD

        • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

          I want to be Uncle Arthur or Dr. Bombay.

        • daisy

          I was well into adulthood before I realized they were the same women. They had her listed as Pandora Spocks I didn’t think they lied on TV. Thank God I never ran in to scientology in my youth. Drugs were the better choice,

    • Nat-leficent

      I wrested it back!!!!! Damn Jimmy!!!! Ignore anything anything timestamped before THIS comment please!!!!

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        Too late :)

  • Rasha

    If anyone posts here as Rasha, ignore it. I mean, it’s Rasha – I still have my phone and PC and stuff. But it’s Rasha. I’d lend it to Jimmy, but he’s busy. Who wants Rasha’s phone?

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Rasha HowdyCon? (ETA: If yes, Monkey ‘borrow’ phone then… 😉 )

      • Rasha

        Hehe! No, sadly, I’m afraid I won’t make it.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Damn! (To be honest, got to do some saving up first–but keeping the weekend clear if the funding eventuates!)

          • Rasha

            I’ll be watching the live Periscoping and liveblogging…. (stern look)

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Yes Ma’am! *stands to attention*(Don’t want to be nail-gunned to anything :) )ETA: *sotto voce* Rasha is a girl, right?

    • daisy

      I will take it, you got jokes on it?

      • Rasha

        Meh. They make me laugh, anyway….. 😉

        • daisy

          Hand them over, I will make the decision . Actually it doesn’t matter , in my mind all the jokes posted were mine, the posters just got there first. I was just on the verge of posting I would make a great scientologist.

  • Baby

    O/T.. but really why post that because you guys are Cray Cray.. OK.. check the Crazy Scio in red..she actually believes what she is saying.. You will see Tori behind her eventually with devil horns..hahaha OMG..hilarious..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2EbdxMJCc4

    • Baby

      I guess they are all in red..bawwwwwwwwwwwwhahahhaa..

      She’s the nutcase talkin about the billions of people helping each other.. Gah

    • salin

      She’s the ‘Billions of People’ lady. ‘Helping Billions of People’….

      Karen de la Carriere made a great video in response to explain what this crazy lady was doing. I’ll try to find it.

      • Baby

        I don’t know how I missed this honey.. hmmmm. Oh I will find it little piglet..you don’t have to bother..just relax and enjoy yourself tonight..

        • salin

          I knew what I was looking for – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6haWelhFGSM 😀

          • Baby

            Oh Yay Salin.. Yippie.. I do NOT know what was going on with me when this came out..cause I am having a brain fart..xo smooches..

            • salin

              I think you were helping a friend try to open an amazing little bakery bistro. Could be wrong. (hugs)

            • Baby

              Oh I bet I was piglet.. Yep.. Just watched the one you linked..Good Video as usual by Karen..

    • daisy

      I love this woman. What do you do to help people? I try to get people out of your organization.

    • seriouslyWTF

      Baby, not sure if you saw my post way down thread, but I thought you would enjoy this… Refresh. Listen. You will not be disappointed.
      http://youtu.be/DZIsOLKfr6E

      • Baby

        WTF ..hahahhha I just saw this.. Too funny..ha.. xoxo

  • Cars

    Alex Gibney’s production company just tweeted these in the past hour. I could be wrong but it sounds to me like he is trying to guage public interest in a Going Clear Part II, especially after today’s Business Insider story http://www.businessinsider.in/The-Going-Clear-director-says-he-might-make-a-follow-up-to-the-revealing-Scientology-documentary/articleshow/50540206.cms

    https://twitter.com/JigsawProds/status/687047436372697089

    https://twitter.com/JigsawProds/status/687054490000879616

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      RTC is not amused.

      • Cars

        Funny. What are you, DodoTheLaserIsGrrr8t!!! now?

        • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

          We were separated at birth.

          • ze moo

            With a crowbar.

          • Rasha

            But no less Grrr8t. Just sayin’.

          • Lionel Drinkwater

            From what I understand, the Psychs stole Dodo at birth from the Scientology nursery.

    • daisy

      See what happens when you piss off a brilliant documentarian. Please never play nice.

      • Rasha

        Clink!

    • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

      Dooooo eeeet Jigsaw Productions!! DO IT!

  • Chocolate Velvet

    These stupid public officials, they are so easily bamboozled by the sham façade of a supposed religious organization doing supposed charitable works. But they are not the only ones. I have found that my best efforts to educate people about Scientology lately have come when I can clarify that they are not really a religion, and they use a cross on their buildings to dupe Americans into thinking of them as just another church when they are not. But you would be surprised, if you have not been at this as long as I have, to see the resistance people have to seeing that a group that calls themselves a “church” is only doing so to get away with malfeasance and abuse. Every person who is dedicated to exposing Scientology and educating the public about this evil cult need to understand what we are up against. The general public is resistant to seeing things that make them uncomfortable, they would much rather stick with comforting lies.

    This lesson was brought home for me when, after viewing the Going Clear documentary, and hearing me talk about Tom Cruise and his crazy behavior for his church, my own mother tried to explain away his behavior in terms that she understands as a practicing born-again Christian. She said, “Well, maybe he felt like that was what The LORD wanted him to do, and that is what was right and…” I said, in an exasperated tone “NO, Mom! Those scientologists don’t believe in “The Lord”. They think Jesus was a pedophile and a made-up fantasy, and they only talk about that stuff to trick people into joining their cult.” She simply tuned me out and refused to hear it, because this is America, and the people we are given to admire in the media, like Tom Cruise, simply must be good and decent people that we can relate to and support.

    This is a much bigger obstacle than most critics realize. But the cult is not indulging in fantasy about this, they are exploiting it to the full, and this new era of criticism is likely to reveal a new era of dirty tricks and media manipulation from the cult. Although, since Miscavige has driven away all of the smart, talented, and dedicated people he had around him, I suppose we could be witnessing the final hilarious downward spiral of a cult long past its prime. Either way, it will be useful stuff for revealing the cult as the evil enterprise that it is. I look forward to 2016.

    • Frodis73

      The general public is resistant to seeing things that make them
      uncomfortable, they would much rather stick with comforting lies.

      Sadly, this could be the motto for the US in regards to so many topics.

      • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

        OT—where the fuck have you been? You alright?? Haven’t seen you around!!!

        • Frodis73

          I came back and posted late, late yesterday. I was devastated and thought of James all day. :-(

          • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

            James is probably sitting front and center with Bowie & Ronson together again—-hope that thought helps, I thought of that yesterday and it made me smile. James and I discussed Bowie A LOT, as I’m sure he did with you too!! I’m still devastated too, hell I’m still upset that James is gone! I was driving to the doctor today, put on the radio and they were playing a Bowie song. Ch-ch-ch-CHANGE IT BEFORE YOU START CRYING!

            (((HUGS)))

            • Frodis73

              It does help, I knew you’d understand. I still can’t bear to listen to more than snippets of his music right now…too much sadness and memories….I’ll give it a go after the weekend. HUGS back at ya girl. I need to email you about some things and I hope to get to it after the weekend too.

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              yeah, this is all too overwhelming isn’t it? i had to leave the internets yesterday, i couldn’t take it anymore….if it’s easier for ya, you have my phone #…..we’ll get thru this!!

            • Frodis73

              I saw your post about leaving and could totally relate. I turned to netflix to ignore everything. We will make it through…it just sucks right now. HUGS.

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              Yep, I got offline and read a book—well TRIED to read a book. And then basically just looked out the window. ((HUGS))

            • Kim O’Brien

              i am afraid to ask ..did we lose another bunkerite? who is James ?

            • Frodis73

              No, he was my best friend who was murdered in 94. When MT and I connected via Facebook turns out we both knew him from Kent State. In fact, Tia and I had to have been in the same room/club/bar/class/party/something at some point in our travels…we just didn’t know it until this past June. Weird huh?

            • Frodis73

              I should add that he totally worshiped Bowie big time. He always said if he was going to kill himself or die of illness, he would send out “Heroes” to everybody he loved as his final goodbye.

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              Yep totally worshiped him. We would discuss the merits of the non-hit Bowie tracks.

              Okay, now we gotta work in Bowie with POX and Bastille Day!!

            • Frodis73

              Man, what a party that would be.

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              I know!!! Bowie music for Bastille Day for members of POX!! And Bastille Day isn’t on May Day but wearing uniforms and marching thru the student center should be included too! :)

            • Kim O’Brien

              hugs to you my dear …i am so sorry for your loss . Life is an amazingly wonderful challenging and joyful series of hello’s and goodbye’s isn’t it ? Peace

            • Frodis73

              It so is Kim…that is quite a beautiful way to look at it though.

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              that is a beautiful way to look at it…..thank you Kim!!

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              James was someone Frodis and I were both friends with at Kent State, yet Frodis and I did not know each other—but we had to have been in the same room together at some point!!! James was senselessly murdered.

            • Frodis73

              Jinx, we owe each other a Coke now too.

            • Kim O’Brien

              oh no ..i am so, so sorry to hear that !! We are all just a mere 6 degrees from each other . I hope his family finds justice . Peace sista

            • Frodis73

              When he was caught a week later, he was shot a paralyzed. He plead out and died about 10 years later due to complications from his injuries.

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              I am not sorry or ashamed to say that I was happy to know he was paralyzed, as that was far better than him being killed by police. What he did to those innocent people, he didn’t suffer long enough. That opinion hasn’t changed in over 20 years.

            • Frodis73

              I totally agree!!!

            • Kim O’Brien

              aaaaaaand …scene

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Completely OT, unless we collectively agree that Sweeney can never be off topic, a bit like Steely Dan. I have swum in Loch Ness and it is COLD.

    https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/686972956099018752

    • Cedilla

      Seriously.
      That’s really Sweeney?
      Looks like him.
      But…
      Hope it’s not a joke!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        It’s definitely Sweeney taking the piss out of journalistic clichés by filing a journalistic cliché for the very serious Newsnight on the BBC.

        • Cedilla

          Next thing you know Sweeney and Tom Davis will be sharing breakfast in Clearwater, Fla.

    • Rasha

      John Sweeney IS topic.

      eta: <3 Steely Dan

    • Juicer77

      Something about that dark, peaty water gives me the heebie jeebies… *shudder*

  • J. Swift

    O/T while reading through David Bowie tributes I saw this Smashing Pumpkins cover of Space Oddity. Billy Corgan says in the intro that Bowie was a big influence on his music. This is a tremendous cover of Bowie’s 1969 original that introduced him to American audiences on FM radio. Camilia Paglia, one of my favorite cultural critics, also wrote a great tribute to Bowie in Salon: http://www.salon.com/2016/01/12/a_bold_knowing_charismatic_creature_neither_male_nor_female_camille_paglia_remembers_a_hero_david_bowie/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvdMJAs5NRM

    • Mockingbird

      Hey can you “contact” OTVIIIISGRRR8. I think Tila Tequila would fit right in with Ken Delusion at the Ron Hubbard Center For The Deluded. The Scientology non-think tank is exactly her speed.

      Between her pro Nazi rants, Pro Hitler antisemitism, flat earth support and statements that she is a robot or alien she sounds like a perfect fit ! She can work with Jared Fogle, Bill Cosby, Jerry Sandusky and other Scientology PR “stars” !

      http://www.inquisitr.com/2697475/tila-tequila-moves-on-from-flat-earth-to-level-up-her-soul-contract/

  • Centerpoint

    Foundation for Drug-Free World is a non-profit. They and seasoned grant managers know that “Free” pamphlets don’t mean free in the grant world. It is why EVERY Federal Grant Awarded MUST comply with The Code of Federal Regulations.

    QBird your article rocked but too bad you couldn’t find out the governmental agency that awarded the grant. That would have identified the Federal Project Officer that could enlighten ALL of us as to how this debacle is presently being handled. That’s our taxpayers money and we ALL have the right to ask any Fed Project Officer for clarifications on anything specific to grant awards.

    Chief Leowen knows but didn’t offer it to QBird. Hopefully he knows he had a fiduciary responsibility to apprise the Fed Project Officer of today’s Bunker story. But as a retired federal grant manager I’m confident the awarding agency may know and his HOPING this all goes away…and soon!!

    Some Fed Grant basics. EVERY grant award comes with specific details including name of Fed Project Officer overseeing the grant. Each grant award letter refers the recipient to the Code of Federal Regulations and offers classes all year long. Before spending the grant funds a legal document between grantor and grantee is signed. That document delineates the recipient’s agreement to comply with the grant award requirements and Code of Fed Regulations. It includes an explanation of the grant recipient’s Fiduciary obligation to engage in “due diligence” in ALL their actions with the grant. Grants Management Network explains due diligence as “grantmakers MUST follow specific legal and regulatory rules to make some grants. Other due diligence processes may assure them that they AREN’T taking UNDUE risk with the money under their stewardship”.

    My due diligence took me 2 minutes to google “Foundation for Drug Free World” to inform me it was a Scientoology front group. In contrast Chief Leowen spent time reading ALL the DARE and Foundation pamphlets but didn’t have 2 minutes to Google “Foundation for Drug Free World” before giving them $7K of our taxpayers money? That’s falls below minimum standards of due diligence and complying with the fiduciary responsibility for OUR MONEY UNDER THEIR STEWARDSHIP.

    Get this. Not knowing what gov’t agency awarded the grant or access to a copy of the grant we do NOT know if the grant allowed for “in-kind” donations nor what close-out procedures were required if it did allow for “in-kind donations”. In-kind donations are ANYTHING GIVEN FOR FREE to the grant recipient from another party. In this case The Foundation for a Drug Free World could maximize their benefits in their business relationship with Babbit on the “front and back end”. They collected $7K in shipping and get to WRITE OFF the cost of the pamphlets. If the grant did NOT stipulate rules for in-kind donations then that party can create supportive documentation for any cost as a tax write off. If the grant DID allow in-kind donations then Chief Leowen and the Fed Project Manager could confirm proper documentation for it was obtained. It should have been a part of the “grant close-out procedures”. I’d love to find out the total in-kind donation if required.

    The trip to DC paid for by Scientology. The legal agreement between Babbit and the Federal Agency that awarded the grant specifies Who To Contact With Any Question. Yet when Scientoology provided FREE air fare to the Chief and his wife it appears that rather than IMMEDIATELY contacting the Fed Project Manager he instead asked his Priest. Highly doubt that directive was in any of the grant legal documents . Couldn’t find it in the Code of Federal Regulations either.

    By the time Scientoology had its PR train in motion in DC…Well, if I’d made as many questionable decisions on the expenditures of our taxpayers money I might want to keep my mouth shut and go to DC hoping Nobody found out. BTW the City of Babbitt has 21 legitimate non-profit agencies. A quick call to the larger non-profit at the beginning of this debacle would have shown a reasonable effort in due diligence with our taxpayers money.

    If that isn’t laughable enough then go to the Code of Federal Regulations and read up on illegal gratuity.

    Lastly, yes there are paid consultants in DC whose job it is to “troll for grant money” via “grant announcements”. In turn those consultants connect their Top 100 private businesses with non-profits (grants only awarded to non-profits) and together they write grant proposals in hopes of a Grant Award. The Veterans story and Hubtard sauna treatments is one of the many creative ways these consultants garner HUGE salaries.

    • Frodis73

      Wow, that is some great info!

      • Centerpoint

        Yes, ANYONE can contact the Chief to find out who the Federal Project Officer is and then ask for clarifications on 1) in-kind donations 2) travel to DC 3) due diligence. Personally, I’d love to get my hands on the grant, close out reports and if the Fed Project Officer had ANY communication with the grant recipient before, during or after this debacle.

        • Frodis73

          Def send J Swift an email!! Would this kind of thing be something we can get via FOIA? Or would we have to wait too many years?

          • Centerpoint

            Depends on the scope of materials being sought. The Grant Announcement, Award and a summary of the grant award objectives are usually available on-line for free. The Grant Announcement identifies the “players” involved from onset of grant coupled with grant rules, objective, deadline, etc and the actual award letter typically identifies the Project Officers/Managers and PR related stuff to the public. I know “grant trollers” that pay for copies of submitted grants to share with their clients for future grant proposals maybe on a state level. Some agencies are easier to work with than others. The key in this debacle is to get the Grant Award #, Grant Proposal, Grant Agency and how the grant funds were “broken up” across the State of MN.

            • Frodis73

              I have a hunch J Swift will be doing just that. If not I will call and get that info, or at least try. I can be reached at gmail using my screen name here…just add the @gmail.com part.

    • J. Swift

      Centerpoint, can you please contact me at scienowriter@gmail.com ? I would really like to privately ask you questions and pick your brain for some stories and other projects.

      • Centerpoint

        J. Swift I’ll email you within 48 hours. Did you notice on the Babbitt PD website that the Chief is “trained” in providing DARE and Foundation for Drug Free World CURRICULUM? I thought he just bought pamphlets? Who came to Babbitt to train him or did he travel somewhere to be trained? Maybe a representative went to Babbit? Maybe just a fancy CD Training Manual or printed training manual. Maybe the Babbit PD would be kind enough to share the curriculum with the Bunker folks.

        The big laugh is Guide Star has placed The Foundation for a Drug Free World under the category “Mental Health”. Did the Foundation identify itself as that to the IRS when obtaining its non-profit status or did Guide Star do it? Take a look at the revenue for DARE vs Foundation for a Drug Free World. Better yet read the 4 pages of reviews on Foundation for a Drug Free World. They are ALL very similar. Is that something Sea Org members would be assigned to do?

        • Frodis73

          I can’t wait to see what comes of all of this…

          • Juicer77

            I smell some delicious entheta brewing… 😉

    • salin

      Thanks for the background information and great questions to pursue.

    • OOkpik

      Oh Oh! Something’s about to hit the fan.
      A very educational post, Centerpoint. Thank you.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      The are sci front groups that front for other sci front groups and/or are fronted by sci whales. These are often used to pay “host” and “sponsort”, ie. provide in kind services, donations, cover expenses.

      The 2014 event that the Chief was flown to in DC, for instance, CES, Consumer Energy Solutions, not sure if they list themselves in as a WISE group, but essentially they are – a scientology run business. In their newsletter, they boast of hosting one of the other shills, Andre Buford, for this very event.

      It’s quite a 3 dimensional maze of networking that works to scientology’s greed addiction very well. The problem has always been getting the detailed financial documents which Jeff Augustine has been digging up and shining a light on. Here’s a link to the newsletter to give you an example.

      Sorry, couldn’t pull up right – Google:
      CES newsletter – June Drug Free Heroes Awards Event-Washington DC

      Lynn Posyton, just one staff of CES as an example, is a veteran scientologist. Here she is safepointing the Florida Sheriff’s Association:

      Above is a photo of (left to right) Lynn Posyton, a Scientologist and Director of Community Relations at Consumer Energy Solutions, Tanesha Williams, Communications Coordinator for the Florida Sheriffs Association and Jessica Spencer, Project Director for the Manatee County Substance Abuse Coalition. Williams is presenting Community Energy Services with a commendation for joining the Florida Sheriffs Association Coalition, an organization that is not listed on their web site.

      https://seccheck.wordpress.com/2015/01/

      • Centerpoint

        I noticed a lot of strategic placement of “employees” into these agencies. Clearly someone has a deep understanding of the “ins and outs” of the public sector and how to maximize their visual presence which leaves the naive public believing they have implied power. Clever indeed.

        • Juicer77

          Straight from Hubbard’s playbook — don’t get elected into office, but be the person who whispers in the ear of those who are.

    • seriouslyWTF

      Yes. That is what I was saying, just not in so many words.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      From the way it’s described in the article, it sounds like the grant was awarded to the state, not the county or the town. It would surprise me if anyone other than whomever’s managing the portfolio at the state level has access to the federal project officer or contract/grant officer. My guess is this is something like a block grant, which allows grantees (in this case, the state) more flexibility in how they distribute the money. I don’t know how far that flexibility extends, though. I do know that SAMHSA issues block grants for substance abuse prevention and treatment which stipulates that a certain percentage of the funds be used for prevention via education, information dissemination, and the like.

      There may be some letter of the law improprieties going on with how the money was spent, but nothing that seems (more) egregious (than usual). Not on the chief’s end, anyway. The trip to DC, though, sounds like it would be problematic, depending on what local gov regulations are about accepting those kinds of gifts.

  • beauty for ashes

    Hi Bunker, just checking in. My family in working tirelessly to work to bring my sister home. It is exhausting, and lots of WTF with the consulate, who is new, and wasn’t there when this happened and so little effort was made to do the right thing. We are angry tired and still in shock. Her last 24+ hours are still a mystery. I go from looking at beautiful pictures and having wonderful memories, to anxious thoughts about the circumstance of her passing, to just gut wrenching sadness. Right now it almost seems impossible to get all our questions answered. I hope I am wrong. We all just want to honor her the best we can. Keep us in your prayers and I will try to check in. I know how we all worry about each other. All my love <3 <3 <3 Beauty

    • Rasha

      We’re here, Beauty. Take care. <3

    • daisy

      Back at you Beauty (( big skishy hug ))

    • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

      Beauty, I missed your original post about this. I’m so so sorry. You know the Bunker is here for you in any way!! Sending you and your family love, strength, and light. ((HUGS)) ♥

    • salin

      ((Beauty)) Keep grasping hands and exchanging hugs generously with one another as you move through both the profound sadness and the challenges of figuring out what to do next, and then next, etc.

      Miss Tia is right – know that we are here for you. <3<3

      • daisy

        We are still here for you too.

        • salin

          Which I so deeply appreciate.

      • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

        And YOU too!! I know you’re still grieving. You know you turn to the Bunker anytime or email me or even phone me if you want. We’re here for you!

        • salin

          Miss Tia, thanks. The Bunker has been/is a deep well of support and embraces. I’ll reach out if I get unmoored.

    • Frodis73

      Oh Beauty, I’m so glad you stopped in. I haven’t been around but I saw your post. I’m so sorry to hear about your sister and the whole Mexican debacle with her remains. I wish I had some advice to help you out with. I’m sending you lots of hugs and good thoughts tho.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Sending love to you, sweetheart. This is devastating and I hope the consulate is able to help guide you through all the red tape so you can bring your sister home.

      • OOkpik

        It WILL happen.

    • OOkpik

      Without words :,( …<3<3<3

    • eloise

      So sorry for your loss

    • Baby

      OMG Beauty.. Oh honey.. I missed your post.. I don’t know what to say or do..We all feel so helpless.. There are so many posts it’s hard to get through them all..

      I can’t imagine how you are feeling.. I am just sobbing for you right now.. Prayers..

      WTF is right.. You do what you have to do to make it Beauty.. sending Angels your way.. love baby..

      • beauty for ashes

        Its amazing how much I’ve learned and absorbed from everybody that keeps coming back to me, like after your sister, when you decided that you had to decide to get dressed everyday, I thought of that, and said I better take a shower and clean myself up because this is not helping anyone. Okay so maybe I didn’t today, but I ate better today. 😉
        I just miss her so much, you would have loved her because she loved to do inappropriate silly things. Fun and creative and adventurous things.
        I have to stop because I feel like I’m going to spill out all over the place.
        xoxoxoxooxoxoxoxoxoxoxooxoxoxoxooxoxoxooxoxoxoBeauty

        • Baby

          Beauty.. I just got this.. ( company)

          Oh sweetheart.. I saw your avi and just started crying. I know that you know that you will never be the same.

          I will not bull shit you and tell you things will get better and that she’s in a better place. I hated those words. They were nothing but false platitudes from people who meant well, but didn’t know what to say.

          There is not a day that goes by when I don’t think of Jude.. Not an hour. Shit, maybe every minute. All I know is that she consumes my every being.

          I am always a scratch away from a sob. I know that I will be like that until death. I just will. I am a realist. I am sad. I miss her. I ache for her touch.

          And you will too honi. I taught the ” Stages of Grief ” years ago in mental health. I knew nothing about grieving until I experienced Jude’s death.

          All I can tell you is to cry.. scream… vent.. throw yourself on the bed and pass out in between sobs.

          YOU ARE NOT ALONE. You come here.. anytime day or night.. my sweet beauty.. OK now ya got me crying.. love baby

          • beauty for ashes

            Thank you. I am so grateful that everyone is allowing me to talk about this. It feels so out of control, and crazy. Like how is this happening? And I feel like I can’t feel her, and then I think maybe it wasn’t really her they found? Maybe she just went off the grid. I so want to believe that because nothing is making any sense. And at some point I might have to accept that it is senseless. Just circling emotions.

            • Baby

              I wish I could be with you beauty.. You have got to be so fuckin emotionally spent. I know you feel like you are emotionally, physically and spiritually broken..

              Let me hold you until you breathe again.. poor baby girl.. love baby

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      If you’re really getting the runaround, maybe contact local media to help. They may have contacts that can help. Do you have someone the family can ask for this kind of support – to make these kind of arrangements, such as contacting media? Sorry for your loss, beauty. I hope you do have or can get someone to advocate for you all. You shouldn’t have to be immersing yourselves in that kind of stress at a time like this. hang on.

      • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

        I found beauty’s post from yesterday and I replied; but I’ll put this here so perhaps others can weigh in. Juicer suggested contacted her local congress person—excellent idea. I suggested if they’re getting no help from the US Consulate in Mexico to contact the State Department. Local media is good too. Also, don’t be shy about asking for help if necessary, for funding the trip home. That can be expensive. If the media gets involved they can mention that.

        What a horrible situation for a family to go through, and how helpless it feels not to be able to do anything aside from being here and sending love and strength.

      • Frodis73

        That is always a good idea if they start messing with you…nobody likes the spotlight like that. Great idea.

    • Kim O’Brien

      i just have no words …i am sending you love and strength

    • EmmaDaoust

      I’m so sorry for your loss, beauty. I wish you peace and strength.

    • MrsLurksALot

      I have no words but you and your family are in my thoughts. ((Hugs))

    • Illinoisian

      I am so sorry that you and your family are facing this loss and ordeal. Sending loving friendship, concern and the hope that you find answers and a resolution to the difficulties.

    • M from Toronto

      Beauty, I had no idea. I am so terribly sorry. I know that the love you shared will give you the strength to finish this, the last business of her life, as Mr. Dunne called it. I don’t have any suggestions other than, if you know anyone in LE, if they have a contact in Mexico they might be able to cut to the chase, and get the process moving.I saw contacting your Congressperson, Senator etc. Other than that, perhaps the media is a good idea, any local station would probably be interested in doing a story, if you were all okay with that, it might get things moving along.
      I know you’ll move heaven and earth and that you won’t give up, but please remember, as trite as this may sound, I mean it from the bottom of my heart, your sister would NOT want you to make yourself ill, she would want you all to look out for each other, as she would. Stay strong, hang in there, and I cannot think what the hell I could do, but if you think of anything, let me know. Love and Light to you and your whole family.
      xoxo

      • beauty for ashes

        Thank you M. My family is shying away from any media angle at this point, its not unanimous. It will be a slow process for sure, even though it is clearly a mistake of not doing their due diligence. It’s a manner of showing up with the right forms to the right places, and having them translated in Spanish as well as notarized. That’s as far as out solid plans go.
        Anyway its always good to hear from you when you pop in xoxox

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I am so sorry about this runaround Beauty. I hope they are able to answer your questions. My heart goes out to you and your family to have to go through this, on top of losing your sister.

    • aquaclara

      I’m saying prayers for you and your family, Beauty for ashes. It’s unimaginable that you are having to deal with this. Sending you strength and hope and hugs.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I’m so sorry, Beauty. What a surreal situation. My heart goes out to you and your family. I hope you get some answers soon so you can focus on healing.

  • eloise

    OT: the daily mail (I know, I know) has this piece on Travolta’s post on facebook about Jet. It is heartbreaking and infuriating. I just want to slap him a la Cher in ‘Moonstruck.’ C’mon, Johnny. Do it for the kid you write so lovingly about.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3396529/John-Travolta-shares-moving-tribute-late-son-Jett-seven-years-tragic-death.html

    • Frodis73

      Argh, yeah, if his son had lived he would have disconnected from him in about 30 secs if he started asking too many questions.

  • Ruby

    Waaaay O/T…
    AWESOME!! LA RAMS are coming home! I am a happy person!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Oh great, just great. I won’t hear the end of this one. So, does this mean Arizona will give St Louis their Cardinals back?!

      • Mockingbird

        Let’s make it simple: deport all non native peoples ! Only Native indigenous tribes left ! Make America truly American ! Now I have some bags to pack.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I have no idea what you are saying :)

          • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

            me either….

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Hey, you’re a shining star now! Black glitter- how glam!

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              Pete started it!! He changed his icon to Bowie’s Blackstar, and I thought that was a great idea! Though I know it might throw people off since I’ve had the same icon since um FOREVER! :)

          • Mockingbird

            It is following the theme of returning what was taken to its full conclusion !

        • Frodis73

          Ha, this country would be almost empty!

          • Mockingbird

            Yes ! A new start for America !

    • flyonthewall

      really!? They’re leaving STL?

      • flyonthewall

        I’m glad, fuck them. You guys can have them. Stupid mayor wanted to spend millions on a brand new ridiculous stadium for those losers. Oh please Rams don’t leave us, we’ll build you this great stadium and everything. Haha!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          But it wasn’t special and expensive enough for the Corporation of NoFootballLeague, and from everything I hear (over and over) the current Rams owner will not be missed.
          I don’t see why they have to change the name of the teams. oh well, it used to be a family thing and tradition. It’s all Wall Street thing now. I mean, Edward JOnes stadium, right?

          • flyonthewall

            I really don’t get the whole gifting stadiums to them thing. I mean if I pay to build your stadium do I get free admittance? No? Oh ok well then help me understand why I should build a stadium for a bunch of billionaires?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You should build a stadium for a bunch of billionaires because they need to save up to buy another third world country this year. It’s on their To DO list.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Also, we are getting royally screwed so there’s that.

            • flyonthewall

              really? How’s that?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Well, let’s see we work, we pay taxes, and I don’t know about you, but I could not afford to take my family when visiting to an NFL game anymore. The total cost for tickets, parking, food for 5 of us $600 minimum. For 1 football game.

            • flyonthewall

              oh right right right, I thought you meant we were getting screwed with them leaving. No, it’s ridiculous. Idk how normal people afford to go to pro sporting events, espec with the whole family etc. The only time we go to Cardinals games is when we get free tkts from the library for the kids summer reading program. And we got tkts for a Rams game once somehow for free, prob school, which my son loved bc he got to take his pic with the cheerleaders.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              That’s what sucks the most – not being able to take your kids to a big game and all that goes with it. No, def not getting screwed by the Ram leaving. I just ache with the rest thinking of hometown not having a football team. It’s just so, so unAmerican! yeah!

        • Ruby

          Oh, Fly…despite your words here, I still love you.
          I grew up with the LA Rams. Moving to St. Louis was like…WTF? And always has been. So for me, having them move back to LA is like Dorothy going home. Please don’t say anything…just let me have my moment! :)) xo

          • flyonthewall

            oh I got you, I didn’t know you had that baggage about them, sorry about that. I’m just cynical about pro-sports in general and also not a sports fan so just ignore me. I’m glad for you

            • Ruby

              Baggage… :)
              I love sports! Pro and otherwise. Grew up with it. Lots of wonderful memories AND current creations with athletes in the family.

            • flyonthewall

              That’s cool, diff strokes n all that

            • Ruby

              Yup! xo

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist
  • Sherbet

    I don’t know if anyone posted this since early this morning, but sugarplumfairy’s obituary now has a photo of her. She looks so happy and silly, and I love it.

    http://www.delawarefuneral.com/book-of-memories/2339139/Marinelli-Mary/leave-condolence.php

    • Sid

      Nice.

    • Kim O’Brien

      aw man

      • Sherbet

        It’s so hard to type “sugarplumfairy” and “obituary” in the same sentence. It makes me cry all over again.

        • Kim O’Brien

          i am with you

          • Sherbet

            Just ain’t fair. Not one bit.

    • Rasha

      <3 ^_^

    • daisy

      You can see how much fun she was. Look at that pose. Lovely words, thank you for reposting.

      • Sherbet

        Exactly.

    • Frodis73

      It was so nice to put a face to her screen name. Thank you for posting this.

      • Sherbet

        You’re welcome. I hope lots of people leave condolence messages for her family.

        • daisy

          I told her to read Tony*s column when they got a chance. I wanted them to see how important she was to this community. I hope they do.

          • Sherbet

            Me, too. They’ll see lots of love and admiration for her wit and kindness.

        • Frodis73

          I did. I’m so glad you posted that so I could send a message. Between loosing Howdy and SPF…I am stunned. I lurked for a long time before I joined the conversation…they were both such a big presence here and felt like I knew so many of you people before my first post…they are greatly missed and will be for a very long time, if not forever.

          • Sherbet

            I think Andrew found the obituary this morning. I know somebody posted it earlier today. But when I looked again a while ago, Mary’s photo had been added. I wanted everyone to know.

            Aren’t you glad you started posting, Frodis? Look at all the fun you’ve had, as well as the tears.

            • Frodis73

              Yes!! Though it sucks when the computer goes down…I was in serious Bunker withdrawal!!!

            • Sherbet

              Ha! It happens to the best of us.

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              Yep, if you hadn’t started posted we wouldn’t have never known our connection!!

          • aquaclara

            I did as well, Frodis. And see? We have Frodis 1 and Woofy Clara (aka Frodis 2) in common! He’s doing well, btw. Good genes.

            • Frodis73

              I was actually thinking about you last week or so. Give Woofy kisses from me. Are you coming to HowdyCon by chance?

            • aquaclara

              Probably won’t make it to Howdycon, due to some family events on the calendar at that time. Will be passing through the south late next week sometime, though…

    • Ruby

      Thank you for that, Sherb.
      xo

      • Sherbet

        Some people were lucky enough to have met her at Tony’s book presentations, but I didn’t know what she looked like. It’s funny how we all have pictures in our minds of what each Bunkerite looks like.

        • Ruby

          Yes. I love getting the face with the name. She is even more beautiful than I imagined. And I imagined her as pretty damn beautiful!

          • Sherbet

            She has the kind of face you want on your nurse when you’re sick. :-)

        • Rasha

          Wait…. that’s not you??? (ducks)

          • Sherbet

            Hmmm.

            • Rasha

              Teehee!

              edit: Ch’yeah – I can talk….

        • aquaclara

          it was such a delight to meet her in person, at both NY events. We had lots of time at the pre-screening party, too. The conversation never faltered. Nor did her smile. She only made one small reference to her illness then, even though I’m sure it was hard at times.

          I never knew she was a baker, though. Imagine the kind of delicious OT conversations we could have had around here!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I got the sadz all over again this morning when I read the obituary and realized I used to ride my bike right past Foulk Manor where she was a nurse. Seeing this funny photo makes me feel somewhat better.

      • Sherbet

        I’m glad the family chose the silly picture.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Me too. She was obviously a humorous jokester, so the photo is ideal.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Such a lovely picture of our sugar plum fairy.

    • Robert Eckert

      That’s pretty much how I pictured her.

      • salin

        I see playful and joyful. Yep – how I pictured her.

  • daytoncapri

    Chief Loewen…you, at least in your own private thoughts, will not be neutral very long when Scientology…a lawless organization… uses your name and image throughout its membership, recruits and front organizations around the world.

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    Apparently I am a member of Radisson family now. At least in Cleveland.

    • flyonthewall

      one of us

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        I printed the membership card on a sheet of paper and was looking for a pizza scissors in our kitchen, so I can fit it in my wallet and my wife confiscated it while saying something about laminating it tomorrow. I gave her my new NRA card too.

        • Rasha

          Does it say “YAY DODO!!” in crayon? ‘Cuz otherwise it ain’t reel.

          • salin

            With swirls and hearts.

    • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

      YSCOHB 😉

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        lol Where do I enter it? I can go back and edit, I think?

        • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

          If you reserved your room, that code gives you the discount—go to Howdycon.com and go to the Radisson page, I have walk thrus there with where you enter the code. If you reserved your room, there’s free cancellation, so you could cancel it and then re-reserve it with our rate.

          • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

            Ah, thanks! I am pretty happy with the current deal they gave me.
            Thank you for putting so much work in this project/event. I bow to you, Miss Tia.

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              Well do NOT hesitate to change it to the $119/night deal!!! YSCOHB is our discount code! :) No bowing necessary!! I’m always happy to help out, you know that!

            • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

              Will keep it in mind! I got ~ $333 something for 3 nights, 2 big beds, huge room, fridge and a microwave for extra $60, if I behave. And You are awesome, don’t deny it.

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              Ah, you got a Deluxe room!! Excellent deal!! Now now, the bunker and all bunkerites are awesome!!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              It’s delux, son!

              https://youtu.be/HLI-nLPiaJA

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia
            • Susan B.

              Wouldn’t it be wild to get a whole hall of connected rooms? You could change the name to the HowdyConLoveIn.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              DodothePimp. I’m partying in your room!

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              Psst, I heard Dodo has a promo code of his own set up! 😉

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I dunno. $333 times 2 beds is like $666. I’m stayin’ away from that.

            • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

              Hello, handsome!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              At least I’m pink enough, you can’t see me blush.

    • Frodis73

      Sweet!

    • Kim O’Brien

      i am SO getting new boobs for HowdyCon !!!

      ( LOL )

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Almost, Kim…almost. I forced back seltzer from my nose on that one.

        • Kim O’Brien

          i’ll try harder next time . It’s all in the timing :)

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        The Bunker Committee voted on you keeping your current fine boobs.

  • Observer

    Oh dear. Y’all Qaeda doesn’t like the care packages their plea for supplies has brought in.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/geek/2016/01/watch_oregon_militant_throws_t.html

    • Sherbet

      Sex toys? Hey…we’ve seen that before. Somebody, dust the packages for Miscavige’s fingerprints.

      • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

        Couldn’t have been, wasn’t sent to his place of work!

        • Sherbet

          Good point!

        • salin

          Well it was sent to some folks place of work – that this gang intimidated (the employees were sent home a few days earlier and told to stay away from work) and then took over.

          • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

            Well it wasn’t sent to this the WhiteISIS’ place of work, I meant. They should have to pay the salary of those they’re keeping FROM work! Dingbats!!

      • Rasha

        Somehow, Miscavige’s fingerprints on them makes it creepier by an order of magnitude.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        No dusters please….I’m ticklish.

    • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

      Oh I needed a laugh!! And wait, they’re okay with the POST OFFICE?? That was created by the GOVERNMENT!!! I hope they get a lot of gub’ment cheese to go with his whine and some kleenex for his boo hoo-ing.

      • Kim O’Brien

        Bundy the Younger ( thank you to the bunkerite who coined that …fucking brilliant ) also just applied for , and was granted , a secured GOVERNMENT LOAN for over $500,000 for his fleet of OTR trucks . From the administration of that gay, muslin,nazi,born in kenya , fake president .

        If irony could make me have an orgasm …it would be never ending and my need for men in sarongs would be totally obsolete

        • salin

          Aka: “Govt handout for moi – steal government resources for moi – but I am a victim of government overreach – lets go attack something/someone and force the govt to give me and folks like me MOAR!”

        • Ben Franklin

          Kim, just for you.

          • Kim O’Brien

            Awwww…. you buy me such nice things ! :) Thank you so much LOL

        • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

          IIRC one of them was bitching about not getting his SS on time to get there right away. Now I know you pay into SS; but um, it’s thru the government.

          I hope they all get the book thrown at them!!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          How bout David Bowie in a sarong? refresh

          • Frodis73

            I haven’t refreshed yet, but I am sure that it is swoon worthy.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              make sure you are near the fainting couch.

            • Frodis73

              Oh wow…now that is godlike. I think I need to save that one.

    • April

      Reddit sent them packets of glitter. http://www.sendyourenemiesglitter.com/

      • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

        GLITTER BOMBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • vicariousthrill

        Tee hee

    • Frodis73

      Ha, that is a thing of beauty. Lmao. Has anybody actually joined them since they first took over that building? I haven’t been able to follow it as closely being offline….yes, I’m too lazy to go wade through all that vile mess right now.

      • salin

        Another militia group (from Idaho?) came to build a buffer between the occupiers and any police and reportedly to keep the community feeling safe. But. They didn’t agree with the occupiers and the occupiers wanted them to leave (we only want OUR TYPE of militia folks to come – WE can be here uninvited – but YOU can’t!). Not sure if the second group left or has stayed.

        Occupiers used the Refuge’s (Fed’s) equipment to go and cut down a part of the fence between a ranch and the federal lands to allow cattle (private owned) to graze on public lands.

        The Occupiers today said that they will hold a ‘town meeting’ on Friday to reveal their “exit plans”.

        Local reports of harassment of locals by visiting militia members.

        A district judge has determined that the cost to govt of the occupation is about $70,000 a day (have read both $70k and $75k) and that the occupiers should be fined to recoup that expense.

        Oh – and several days ago the twitter-sphere was posting porntweets with a brokeback mountain theme – which probably inspired some of the themes of some of the packages sent in response to the request for snacks.

        Yep – the whole thing is like absurd theater – if the old FireSide Theater were around I might think this was a radio broadcast.

        • Frodis73

          Oh my lord. Only in America. ‘Merika!!!

          • Juicer77

            SMH

    • Kim O’Brien

      someone tell me that he is going to starve and therefore he will need to …(wait for it )…

      eat a dick

    • Mockingbird

      GAD is in full effect. Golden Age Of Dildos ! Pioneered by David Miscavige.

  • daisy

    As much as I don’t like it, just saw Krusty*s commercial she looks fabulous. Cannot see the black heart,

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Hey, Jimmy and Nat! You behaven yourselves?

    • Frodis73

      Is J3 in Cali??? If so, must be nice…it’s cold as fuck here.

      • Nat-leficent

        Don’t worry I’m taking him to the airport soon. He’ ll be freezing his tuckus off in no time :)

        • Frodis73

          Lol, I feel so much better now Nat! Thanx! Very cool you guys got together again though. Hugs and I can’t wait to meet you in the spring.

        • Juicer77

          WE WANT PICS! Suitable ones, that is! 😉

        • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

          He’s missing below zero weather!!!

    • Kim O’Brien

      Is the bunker ..like ..instead of Tinder…
      1. Bin-der ?
      2.Orteg-inder?
      3.Bunker-inder?

      • Nat-leficent

        Downvote!

        • Kim O’Brien

          😉

          pick it up , smack it , rub it down …( LOL )

          ( you can kill me later )

          • Nat-leficent

            Oh, I will — kill you that is XD

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Could be. Swipe left for hot body thetan action, swipe right for a sec check.

        • Kim O’Brien

          brilliant !

    • salin

      Or… congrats for not driving each other crazy… well that episode earlier, maybe a little bit crazy… so congrats for not acting on the moments when you may have been driving each other crazy!

  • Frodis73

    OT: So, now Charlie Sheen has decided to get treatment for HIV with a quack doc in Mexico. Interesting.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/doctor-not-licensed-practice-medicine-221900643.html

    • jazzlover

      This guy can never seem to just settle down and play it straight. What’s he doing?

      • Frodis73

        IKR? He is such a mess.

        • jazzlover

          I blame his father. It’s too bad, because Sheen has 10x the acting skills of Cruise. He should’ve been a huge movie star.

          • Frodis73

            Really? Why? The other kids are pretty normal and seem to be doing fine. I’m sure they have issues as any father/son does, but I don’t recall anything horrible about Martin that would lead me to blame him…I think Charlie just suffers from mental illness and addiction issues.

            • jazzlover

              Martin has had tons of problems surrounding addiction issues over the years. He was shit-faced during most of Apocalyse Now. I don’t blame either for those issues, but I think his dad enables him. Charlie has never really had to face the consequences of his actions, and it’s been going on for decades. All his buddies from childhood have grown up and gotten their lives together. Charlie goes bonkers with the whole Two and a Half Men debacle, and gets a $25 Million dollar payout. Think about it.

            • salin

              I was going to ask ‘why’ up thread. Thanks for the explanation. Really messed up dynamics around Charlie.

            • Frodis73

              I’ll agree with you about the whole 2 1/2 Men thing, but his dad had nothing to do with that. As for the other thing, I would agree there probably was some enabling going on at some point. Addiction is def a family thing and guilt plays a huge role on all sides. Again though, the other kids are not a mess like Charlie, so I just don’t see that he would have been all that different with Charilie vs the other 5.

            • jazzlover

              There are 3 others, and Emilio has had tons of issues too. He and Charlie ran with the same dysfunctional, self-entitled Hollywood kids when they were teens.

            • Frodis73

              You may know something about Emilio I don’t know then. Last I heard he’s fine and lives in Spain (?), has a farm, family and he and his father made a documentary (some religious pilgrimage thing) last year or so. AFAIK he quit drinking/partying with the brat pack types in the 90’s.

            • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

              Everyone is different though. You can have 5 children all with the EXACT same childhood, same experiences, etc and they’ll have different memories, different feelings, different reactions, different coping and yes, genetics plays a part in addictions too.

          • Kim O’Brien

            i LOVE his father ! :) He and his wife have like 6 kids or something ( i could google it , but ..meh ..) and Charlie is just ” the one that had so much potential but fucked it up for everyone and now some kids use Sheen and some use Estevez “

            • jazzlover

              Charlie has 3 siblings. He took Sheen because Martin did. The other 3 just kept Estevez. Martin took Sheen to name himself after Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen (he is a devout catholic). I know you’ve mentioned you have a daughter. If you’ve ever watched Jimmy Neutron with her, there’s a pretty cleverly named character on the show — Sheen Estevez. LOL

          • daytoncapri

            You can judge and affix blame, and there is probably substance behind it. At certain point, it becomes a matter of personal responsibility…i.e., Charlies responsibility. Yeah, his Dad has screwed up earlier in life, he has also owned up to it and tried to do better. Martin’s support of Cesar Chavez and farm workers, his film “The Way”, which he made with his son Emilio is evidence of a life in process and towards the good, and perhaps a good example, in present time, to his adult children.

            Full disclosure: Martin is from my home town. A well-liked local celeb who visits often with friends and family.

            • jazzlover

              I never said he was evil. With kids, there is always an issue of looking to parents for setting an example. I know that this is very complicated, and there’s also a component of growing up in Hollywood feeling like he owned the world for Charlie. Emilio has had his problems also, so I’m guessing there’s a commonality there. All I know is that every time someone asks Martin about Charlie on camera, all he says is “I pray for my son everyday”. That’s all well and good, but at some point he’s gotta get him the help he needs. The typical “addicted celebrity” thing of going into rehab every so often to deal with the symptoms just ain’t cutting it. As far as I can tell, Chuck is living on borrowed time. What I hope for him is that he gets help and stays out of the news for more than a month. The guy is seriously talented. It would be a waste not to share those talents.

            • daytoncapri

              Martin is 74 years old, Charlie is 49. Martin has said that he cannot do much to affect his sons behavior, but he makes sure that his son knows that he is loved. At this stage of the game, I am at a loss at what more I could do to affect the behavior of my own grown children …who are younger than Charlie… or to say to the public on the topic.

              Do you, I or Martin owe the public an explanation? I have both pride and regrets with my own kids, but I have yet to walk a mile in Martin’s shoes. Maybe, just maybe, Martin is doing more than pray everyday, but he does not choose to share that information with us. Privacy…what a concept.

              I am not aware Martin “owning Hollywood” for Charlie; but I am aware that he told the local paper some years ago that he was thinking about moving back home. The Realtors were pretty talkative about it for awhile. It is not on the radar thse days. There’s that privacy concept again.

            • jazzlover

              Again, I’m coming at this as an observer — someone who happens to appreciate the art and who has seen this go on for years — ever since Charlie was a teen, and during a time when his parents had more ability to control him. I don’t judge them for having mental or addiction issues. I judge the stupidity issues — like taking 30-35 years to finally realize there’s a problem and still not taking the bull by the horns. It should never have gotten this far. Charlie’s got 5 kids!!!!!! Be careful about taking my views personally because Martin happens to come from your neck of the woods. I understand local pride, but there are many more celebrities that come from mine, and I don’t automatically give them a free pass because of that. Stupid is still stupid, whether you grew up in my neighborhood or not. I’m not judging these people for their circumstances, but when you’re in the public eye, making all sorts of mad money, guess what? You’re gonna get judged. I see it as unfortunate, and the bottom line is that if things keep going the way they’re going, Charlie’s gonna die sooner rather than later.

            • daytoncapri

              Matthew 7:1

    • Kim O’Brien

      he is just …eeewwwwww

    • kemist

      At least he seems to keep on monitoring his viral load.

      That way he’ll probably go back on his meds when he gets scared enough.

    • salin

      Let’s go to the guy who says “trust me. I believe so much in what I am doing that I will inject your blood into my bloodstream. Oh – and go off all other treatment during my treatment.

      Sounds like a recipe for tragedy.

      • Frodis73

        He’s such an idiot to fall for that crap. Very sad.

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        Zombie Hulda Clark?

        • salin

          Exactly.

  • Frodis73

    Squeal! David Duchovny is on Kimmel in a few mins. He is BBF’s with Jason Beghe and all. I swooned when I found out TO met him.

  • salin

    Later than usual – but for the third day in a row the Aurora’s are active in North Norway. The camera is real time (still shot) – so if you go to the site, leave the window open and refresh some time later – the image will reflect the current shot of the sky. http://virtualtromso.no/en/northern-lights/138-live-northern-lights-activity-and-forecast.html

    I post this with a reminder to click recommend today’s post (Applauding QBird) and the days commenting thread. Click the ‘recommend’ or ‘heart’ above the dialogue box on the left. Signify appreciation for the work done by Tony and the conversations at the Bunker.

    • Juicer77

      The panorama views are so cool! Thanks for reminding me to look at this. Today’s funny for you: (f5)

      • salin

        I *love* it! Thanks for the am smile.

  • Doc M

    Just had to post this, I posted it yesterday, Bowie, a true artist and a true origional.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B5zmDz4vR4

    • salin

      Very much – a true artist and a true original.

      I posted this within a week before his death (having no idea he was ill). This was a great collaboration between to amazing talents. Also love the versions with Bowie and Lennox in tribute to Freddy Mercury.

      The fun thing about this is both Bowie and Mercury were more mature and comfortable in their artistry – and were playing to their musical strengths.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoDh_gHDvkk

      • Doc M

        I think you’re right…almost. Mercury I don’t know much except the music, but it took Bowie 10 years before he hit with his Ziggy Stardust Persona. However from watching clips and other videos of his career, he was a bit insecure before and during Ziggy, but he was also young. He matured into being very comfortable with his art and played the game by his rules.

        Just my opinion and I could be totally off but I do know without a doubt that Bowie was a real artist and his Music touched me profoundly throughout his career. I said yesterday that some of his work I loved but some didn’t resonate with me as much. It didn’t matter. He was always interesting.

        I really want to hear the new album. One thing about Bowie, he might have totally changed his style, his look and his sound many times, but I always looked forward to his next incarnation. When I’d hear his interviews in the 90’s and over the last years, it was obvious that this was a very sharp and highly intelligent man.

        Lennon’s death really affected me, as did Frank Zappa’s death, but I was totally surprised and unprepared for how affected I was when I read of Bowie’s death yesterday morning. I forgot how much his art meant to me.

  • ReallyMGM

    Zukerberg lit up social media with photo of his baby at the pediatrician for her vaccinations.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/photo-mark-zuckerberg-s-baby-getting-vaccinated-ignites-online-squabble-n494276

    • Juicer77

      This baby is ridiculously adorable :) Good for him, taking a pro-vaccine stance.

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    late bollocks https://www.scientologybollocks.com/7660-2/

    bonus video & gif

    Hammock kitteh https://youtu.be/EU13ByIYkew

    ….what’s that ahead…. woooaaah http://i.imgur.com/5WPi6TF.gifv

    • OOkpik

      Your amusing contributions always brighten the Bunker in the wee hours. :)

  • OOkpik

    Completely OT but it’s pretty quiet here right now, so…

    An award-winning photo of a few of the cats on Aoshima Island where cats outnumber people 6 to 1.
    pic

    • what’sup

      Here’s another award winner. I thought of you when I saw it, for obvious reasons

      • OOkpik

        Embarrassing!
        I was hoping I wouldn’t be caught in such a compromising position. Damn cell phones are everywhere.

    • Juicer77

      Back away slowly from the tuna and…. RUUUUUNNNNNN!

    • Dice

      Imagine to go there with a laserpointer?

    • Ella Raitch

      I’m not sure how to react to this. I love my cat but this is….faintly…disturbing….

      • OOkpik

        These are basically feral cats waiting at the wharf on “cat island” for whatever scraps the fishermen throw out. The island belongs to the cats. It is somewhat disturbing, even haunting. It’s also quite amazing to see even this many cats sitting quietly side-by-side.

    • Missionary Kid

      CBS Sunday Morning had a feature on the island. Apparently, the Japanese have a thing for cats. Where do you think the “Hello, Kitty” phenomenon came from?

  • Dave Reams

    Good news for L. Ron Hubbard : (
    Slate: Federal Appeals Court Rules Wearing Unearned Military Medals Is Free Speech. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw1PyLzCM

    • OOkpik

      Still, ’tain’t right!

    • Missionary Kid

      That doesn’t protect the scammer from the consequences. A guy in Palm Springs, CA posed as a retired Marine. He’d never been in the service. Before the law against such things was declared unconstitutional, he was sentenced. When the ruling came down that it was free speech, the charge was dropped, along with his sentence.

      That didn’t help him in his career with the bank he worked for as a loan officer. He still was fired, and I’m willing to bet he won’t get his job back because of the personal dishonesty involved.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      This country is going down the toilet.

  • Lighthouse

    Great that QBird informed Chief Louwrens and that he’s the wiser. At least he knows now. I hope he gets to see Going Clear. He might make the effort especially seeing his wife has already looked at the negative publicity of scn on the Internet.

    This is how good, unsuspecting people get pulled in.

    • Qbird

      Yes. This is my take on it as well Lighthouse. I’m extremely grateful that The Internet can be used to thoroughly expose what this organization is and does.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        wowza

        • Qbird

          it’s photo shooped Hole… but still amazing.
          2 giant waves coming at the lighthouse from 2 different directions.
          In Portugal.

  • Juan Negro

    Kudos QBird! Go Gophers!

  • Juicer77

    About to start! F5

  • Juicer77

    Projector went out — OSA??

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      either that or the squirrels chewing on the wires again :)

  • Juicer77

    Graham and Dr. Martin Poulter and yours truly F5

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You’re in Australia?

  • California

    Dear Chief Chad Loewen:

    In 2004-2005, the California Department of Education evaluated scientology’s narconon drug education program (now re-named Truth about Drugs and/or Drug-Free World) and found it wanting in both science and the best of drug education practices. It was not recommended for use in the public and charter schools of California. That finding is on this California Department of Education web-site: http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/at/narcononevaluation.asp

    I am especially concerned that it is prominently featured on your web-site.

  • Centerpoint

    So pleased to hear the City of Babbitt, MN will NO longer be using Scientoology’s connected anti-drug materials.

    The next questions for the Chief are 1) Were the Fed’s involved in his newest public statement to the Underground Bunker 2) If so, then what was discussed and what is the Fed’s OFFICIAL position on the Chief’s newest comment. (That was OUR $7K used for shipping. The Fed’s have an OBLIGATION to protect OUR money and to protect the government from the abuse of OUR money. So I’m hopeful that if the Chief is “backing off” then accountable higher level decision makers (Feds and State of MN) are involved and 3) are the FEDS going to ask the City of Babbitt to return the $7.000 of our taxpayers money used for shipping?

    If NOT, then perhaps its time to ask the FEDS and State of MN why not and what “unofficial” steps will be DEMANDED of every Project Officer overseeing the use of our taxpayers money to curtail this on-going abuse. They know how to do that and can do it.

    Hats off to the Chief for his willingness to learn about the horrors of Scientoology, end his relationship with their front group and acknowledge his naivete. We know he is not alone.

    Hopefully with the Bunkers commitment to due diligence and educating victims of front group abuses that the Chief , City of Babbitt, MN, State of MN and Federal Grants Offices understand they’re one of countless victims. Let’s continue to remind these folks ENTRUSTED with our taxpayers money that it goes back to due diligence of OUR money whether its $5.00 or $50M. If there is no official stand by the IRS, FBI, etc, etc, then it appears as Taxpayers the ONLY way to curtail this abuse of our money is to continue educating these victims and demanding change.