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AUDIO: Hear Scientology boast about the $5.7 million it got from Google in free ads

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In September 2014, we published a story that we expected would get more attention. We reported that at a gala celebration in the San Fernando Valley, a gathering of about 500 Scientologists who had paid $100 each to attend were told that the Church of Scientology had benefited from its relationship with Google, which had given Scientology the equivalent of $5.7 million in advertising grants.

As evidence of this, we provided a transcript of a speech made at the event by Brandy Harrison, the young Sea Org “Building Expansion Director Int,” who also said that Scientology had forged a relationship with Amazon and with the Chinese government, and had also had huge success taking over the front page of YouTube for a whole day.

At the time, the story was widely read, but it didn’t get picked up in the media the way we thought it might have. But then, out of the blue, this week it got hot again when Hacker News linked to the story, and then, yesterday, Jim Edwards at Business Insider picked it up.

So, while the story is hot again, we thought we’d throw a little kindling on it.

Our original story was based on a transcript of Brandy Harrison’s speech. But today, we have an actual recording of it. Yes, now you can hear for yourself the claims she made to that audience at the Valley Ideal Org fundraiser and experience the oohs and ahhs of the crowd.

We’ve included captions so you can follow along with what she’s saying — but the recording is pretty clear and Brandy enunciates well. She actually said quite a few things that should raise eyebrows. Here, give it a listen…

 

 
After the event, Scientology sent out this flier about it…

 
autumn gala recap

 
More than a year later, and after countless similar fundraisers, the Valley Ideal Org is still not open. It has to be one of the biggest frustrations in the Ideal Org program for David Miscavige, and we wonder why he doesn’t provide an “IAS grant” of a few million dollars and just get the thing done. The International Association of Scientologists is a slush fund of more than a billion dollars, former insiders tell us, and lately Miscavige has been drawing from it to pay for Ideal Orgs in places where local fundraising obviously wouldn’t be sufficient.

Anyway, let us know what you found most surprising about Brandy’s speech.

 
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Chris Shelton interviews Tim DeWall

Oops, meant to post this in the morning. It’s the first part of an interview that Chris did with Tim DeWall, whose story you might remember.

 

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on January 7, 2016 at 07:00

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  • otherles

    “MOVE UP IN STATUS TODAY!”

    Uh no…I’ll stick to reality.

    • Sejanus

      The Move up in Status deal always gets me.
      What status…that you got conned out of more cash then some other sucker?
      COB doesn’t even give a rats moist fart about how much you give.
      It is about how much you are giving …right…that,, second.

      It used to be about how high you were on the Bridge, but Dinky Massengil managed to actually get clams to stop thinking Bridge…(which let’s face it, was a dead end to nowhere.)
      Now they are in a Con within a Con chasing something even more impossible.
      Remarkable.

  • Rasha

    …wait… After all that regging and all those fees and other money grabs, all they can boast after all this time is:

    “Valley Ideal Org DESiGNS =DONE”???

    …either the clams don’t see it, choose not to, or are willingly ignoring the obvious. I hope some are simmering and these things make them evolve legs, and perhaps a motorcycle hidden outside the compound…

    • chukicita

      You know, here’s the thing about a capital campaign.

      In the real world, depending how much your goal is (and is one ever articulated in a Scientology cap cam?), you have a ‘silent phase’ where you ask strongest supporters with capacity to give. You try to raise at least a third if not half before even going public with it.

  • Bob

    After listening to 5 minutes of this I’m struck by the complete level of prefabricated BS being shoveled out to the attentive adoring crowd. It’s interesting that the Valley org has been lately as quiet as a graveyard.

  • Rasha

    I wonder, with all the focus on buildings and status upgrades, if any of them realize that nowhere is Dianetics or auditing ever mentioned, y’know, the self-improvement crap they joined up for, and that the lie detector is only used to fool people on the streets and for expensive, coerced admission of “crimes”…

    • chukicita

      But number of booklets! Square feet! Percentage of click-throughs!

      It’s all about the stats and status!

    • Tracy Schmitz

      i know right. never mind the whole dianetics or auditing out the window… but unless NONE of them were ever involved in ANY religion before,, then what ever happened to and in fact, how was it NEVER mentioned or thought of or practice anything resembling “religion/faith/church/holiness” etcetera?…

  • Observer

    Brandy is soooooo theta!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I do love her braided rope, and I would love to see her try to attempt an actual military boot camp (Marines preferably) but…I’m a sadist like that. 🙂

      • chukicita

        Semper fi. 😀

      • Missionary Kid

        The differences between a Marine boot camp and $cientology are that you are entitled to your own thoughts and when the boot camp is over you get some liberty, you get paid leave during the year, the ability to buy things cheaper in the exchange, you get paid better, you bet fed better, and when your several years contract is up, you can become a civilian.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Now Mish, you know, that I know that, that is true. I’ve heard the boot camp horror stories, but I’ve also heard from many of my family members that they came to respect their Drill Instructor by the time it was over and some even had (somewhat) emotional goodbyes with them. I would never compare it to Co$.

          When I see them wearing those uniforms, medals, gold rope…etc. It offends me. So my first reaction to it usually is “Yeah, I’d like to see you make it through boot camp or battle”…which is what I was thinking about Ms. Brandy up there. The rational, non-emotional side of my brain just hopes she gets the hell out and takes some good DOX with her. 🙂

          • Missionary Kid

            My post wasn’t, in any way meant as a criticism of your post. It was meant to point out the vast differences between $cientology and the military. $cientology is much more confining and restricting in a psychological manner.

            Yes, one does end up with a real appreciation for their DI when boot camp or OCS is over. Her uniform, with the braids and ropes is really something one would see in a community theater production of Space Cadet.

            • I wonder if Heinlein ever became aware of the Sea Org. Given his backgound as a frustrated warrior, he would likely not have been amused by their ‘uniforms’.

            • ze moo

              Heinlein served for several years on the USS Yorktown, until malaria took him out of the service. He appears to have had orgies or some sort of sexual relationship with Lroon. Sad…..Heinlein kept a blind eye on Lroon his entire life. He probably never looked into the sea org or any other function of the clampire. In one of his novels he did complement $cienos on their ‘discipline’.

            • However, he never saw combat, and resented this (his official biographer says this was due to TB, not malaria).

              Part of the reason he was so well -disposed towards Hubbard is that he fell for the man’s ‘war hero’ stories and put his strange behaviour down to what we would not call PTSD. Not having fought, he compensated by looking after a number of people who did with great generosity. Hubbard, characteristically, exploited this.

              They fell out when Hubbard proposed taking Heinlein’s young relatives (his wife’s sister’s nephews) on a ‘China Venture’. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/05/16/robert-a-heinlein-a-real-science-fiction-authors-experience-with-l-ron-hubbard/

              The passage where Heinlein praises the behaviour of (future) Scientologists occurs in his novel “Friday” which also reveals an interesting sideline on the origin of ‘Homo Novis’. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/05/18/friday-robert-heinlein/

              I’m betting that, after that Heinlein took no further interest, and would have appaled to see Sea Org ‘officers’ strutting about in their fancy dress version of USN uniforms.

        • FOTF2012

          It seems clear to me: Hubbard utterly failed in the Navy, so his massive ego led him to create his own Navy as an “up yours” to the US military.

          • Missionary Kid

            I disagree. It was a system that he was familiar with, and it had a hierarchical structure that he thought he understood. He intentionally misinterpreted the way it operates because a good commander takes care of their troops. He didn’t.

            In the military, you take an oath to uphold the Constitution. In essence, all people in the sea org are pledging their allegiance and their lives to the institution itself.

            Also, there are ways of getting redress in the Navy. There is none in $cientology. There are feedback mechanisms that exist in the Navy that Hubbard purposely omitted in $cientology.

            I don’t believe that he even wanted to show animosity to the Navy, but that he wanted to set his people apart with their uniforms so that they would feel important, and be even more tied to his con.

            • scottmercer

              We know that Hubbard loved the idea of gaining credibility by wearing costumes. But I’m sure there was at least some element of, like a villian in an old timey movie serial or one of his mediocre pulp fiction stories, LRH thinking “Reject me, will they? I’ll show them! I’ll start my OWN Navy!! I will take over the world!! MWAH HAH HAH HAH.”

            • Missionary Kid

              I think he was trying to duplicate the power that he had as a ship’s captain, which, of course, he screwed up.

            • Franklin Adams

              Yeah not everyone tosses depth charges at charted magnetic anomalies saying its a Japanese submarine, gets a chance to go on to shell Mexico, then proceeds to lie about it for 40 years afterward.

            • Missionary Kid

              *Laughing*

              Apparently his XO (Executive Officer) thought he was O.K. according to his testimony. None of the men under him have ever come forward to complain, but then he wasn’t in charge that long, and they probably served much longer under other C.O.s, so he might not have been memorable to them.

              It was his superiors in the Navy that learned he was a fruitcake, and tried to get rid of him. I’m convinced that if it hadn’t been wartime, and if he hadn’t been an officer, that he would have been court-martialed.

              It was the one time when he actually had power over others, and so that’s the part that he probably desired. By taking everyone out on ships, as a captain, he could really control the sea org members.

              His overboarding of sea org personnel really pissed off the locals in the ports they visited. Of course, Hubbard saw nothing wrong with it. He was a sadist, just as Ratcavige is.

            • Franklin Adams

              Yeah, I remember his XO and some Gunner’s Mate Senior Chief’s testimony from the COI but I cant find the source. I figure that if some LT(jg) who’s an XO of a ship because there’s a war, plus an E-7 thats been in the Navy for god knows how long thinks you’re alright, you’re probably alright. At the time, Hubbard may really have been alright to work for, he sure as hell wasn’t later on though.

              If it hadn’t been wartime, there’s no way in hell he would have ever held a command. He may have wound up commanding a shore installation like a recruit division at Great Lakes or whatever they called the MEPS back then since he wasn’t aviation, but there’s no way he would have been given a ship.

              Peacetime (or even usually faux-Peacetime) US Navy doesn’t just hand ships out to people who have a letter from a congressman.

            • Missionary Kid

              In peacetime, they would have vetted Hubbard more, although he was somewhat of a legacy, since his father was in the Navy.

              He was lucky in his timing in the timing of his enlistment, but I don’t think he would ever have been allowed to be in command of recruits or training because he’d only fuck up personnel. They would probably put him in supply. Remember that he got kicked out of Australia to start with.

              Hubbard was an asshole with grandiose delusions and the ability to bullshit. Once asked to perform, he would fuck things up – whatever the job was.

          • scottmercer

            I agree with that, and furthermore: he failed in the Navy, who rejected him, so he started his own navy. Psychiatrists rejected him, so he started his own psychotherapy. Academia rejected him, so he started giving people “courses.” Banks rejected him for loans, so he started conning people out of money. Religion rejected him, (assumption here on my part, but, he definitely didn’t care about it since he was doing all that nonsense with Jack Parsons) so he started his own religion.

      • PickAnotherID

        Marines hell. I’ll bet she couldn’t make it through Coast Guard enlisted training at Cape May, never mind officer training at the Coast Guard Academy.

        https://youtu.be/N1zW_Bh2ZvQ

        And yes, they even play on the beach in January.

        • Franklin Adams

          Cape May is no joke. Then again, the Coast Guard does have my two of my favorite bunches of loonies, the Rescue Swimmers and HITRON, being from East Central Florida we’d see the helicopters with a big damned gun sticking out of the door zoom up and down the coast fairly regularly.

          USCG’s training’s just rough. The whole capsizing in a small boat thing that I’ve seen them do, though I think that was the Academy, is nothing I ever want to do.

          • PickAnotherID

            I had an uncle in Mass. that lived across the street from Bernie Webber, coxswain of lifeboat CG-36500. He, and his crew, pulled off the rescue in 1952 the new film, “Finest Hours” is about. He was fond of telling us kids, “You don’t have to be crazy to take a 36ft lifeboat out in 50ft waves, but it doesn’t hurt.”

      • Franklin Adams

        I can’t speak for the Marines. They’re intense. One of my relatives is a UH-1Z Crew Chief/door Gunner, when he was at boot, he did their final FTX (I know it has a stupid name like ours does, but it escapes me) with a broken leg. Given how hard the Army’s is, I can’t imagine it. Then again, the Marines train for two weeks longer than the Army does now, and three weeks longer than back when I did BCT.

        But anyway there are some familiar things in the Armed Forces that a Sea Org toad might recognize. Take Ranger school, they don’t eat much, especially not during the land navigation and small unit maneuvers phases. I’ve often heard people with the Ranger Tab have a well deserved bachelor’s degree in Applied Suffering, while the people with Ranger regimental scrolls should have a Doctorate in the subject.

        Sea Org types also deal with the paranoid ravings of a set of lunatics, which is pretty close to training environments or a unit with supervisors who like to yell, accuse, write nasty papers to put in your files and bitch. I can’t imagine it never ending though, and for a Sea Org drone, that’s how it is.

        Otherwise you’re free to think whatever you want, and believe me I’ve heard Soldiers come up with some really stupid stuff so its not perfect but its there. As long as you get your job done and don’t violate security/force protection, or complain about the Army too loudly (an occasional F.T.A here and there when something dumber than usual happens notwithstanding) you’re pretty much free to do or say whatever in a private capacity. If you think that’s a good idea anyway.

        And by the way, the only way you get a cord (and blue disks) that I know of is by being an Infantryman or Infantry Branched officer while serving in an Infantry unit, so she’d be out of luck if she wanted any that meant something. There’s a couple of units that can wear the French Fourragere, and two of them are Marine Regiments but thats kinda it.

    • Sejanus

      TeleHubbie?

      • madge filpot

        Hahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lolol

    • chukicita

      Obs I’ve had to scroll back and look at this like six times, and each time I laugh out loud. Thanks!

      • Missionary Kid

        Wait a minute, isn’t that the gay Telehubble?

        • Observer

          No, that’s the purple one

          • Missionary Kid

            Then she’s hanging out with the gay one. 😀

            • Observer

              She’s just trying to get into his giant red purse to see if he’s got any cash.

            • Missionary Kid

              In $cientology, you’re a friend to them until you run out of money.

    • richelieu jr

      OVER 139 donations!

    • FOTF2012

      I may have nightmares …

    • Brian

      LOL!!!! She is kinda cute though. If she would only blow the cult, I’d ask her out. 🙂

      All flirtatious humor aside, I wonder if she’ll find herself in The Hole one of these days. 🙁

  • Jack99

    “…From there it was only a few mouse clicks away from finding their nearest ideal Org and walking into the doors. And they did so, en masse…”

    All of them walked into the doors? Ouch! Must have hurt…

    • Sejanus

      Doubt it knocked much sense into them.

    • Robert Eckert

      …he walks into a great sandstone building, oof!

  • $cnMonkeyNut$

    So… does Damn Sherman do all the speeches issued forth to the paying faithful?ETA: or does $cieno$peak naturally lend itself to that relentless, monotonous drone of spurious statistics!

  • Sejanus

    God that flyer.
    It’s like a dictionary vomitted on a page…
    and no one cleaned it up.

    Someone grab a mop and some sawdust fast.

  • Sid_Snakey

    Slightly off topic, but not completely…

    I feel quite frustrated at the world’s reaction to the claims by the North Korean “government” yesterday that they have successfully tested a thermonuclear device.

    As many others have previously noted, there are huge parallels between the “Church” of Scientology and the North Korean “government”. Both rely on keeping the truth hidden from those inside, both tell whopping lies, both use fear to keep those inside under control, both have “Dear Leaders” past and present, both try and control the flow of information, both make ridiculous claims about how successful they are, both use family disconnection and re-education camps as a means of control, and both are sadly tolerated by the rest of the world in the 21st century (see if you can spot the other similarities below).

    A big difference is that North Korea really DOES have millions and millions of “members”.

    25 million in fact, and they’re hungry, poor and oppressed. It’s difficult to know for certain how many people have died as a result of the Kim Dynasty, either through incompetence or brutality, but it’s many millions.

    To summarize: If you’re angry about how Scientology treats its members and gets away with it, you’d be absolutely furious with the North Korean dictatorship. If you are not familiar with the topic, I highly recommend John Sweeney’s book on the topic – “North Korea Undercover” (another similarity: both organisations hate John Sweeney).

    So my frustration about yesterday’s news is that the World threw up its hands in horror that these maniacs might have a H-Bomb now, and they might one day reliably develop the means to throw it at someone, even someone far away from Korea.

    The reality is that North Korea is no more dangerous today than it was last week. They have no intention of throwing a H-Bomb at anybody, since they know it would be the last thing they ever did. The news of the bomb test was mainly for internal consumption – to continue to lie to the internal audience that they are a mighty and powerful organisation, and that the rest of the world is rightly respectful of them. Where have we heard THAT before?

    The real issue with North Korea are the 25 million people living an absolutely miserable existence, while the Elite few live like Emperors (although only the man at the top is safe, he occasionally throws his chiefs into a hole for a few years if they displease him(!), or he machine-guns them and their families, or sometimes for light relief he makes them stand in the exact spot where several mortars are aimed and then completely obliterates them – I’m not kidding).

    How could such an organisation possibly exist in the 21st Century?

    In actual fact, they are massively reliant on the Chinese, who are their only real ally. The Chinese have supported them all these years because they don’t want a prosperous, united, democratic Korea on their border that’s friendly with the US.

    Think about that for a moment – the reason millions have died, millions have led miserable lives, and 25 million today continue to live miserable lives is so that the Chinese don’t have the threat of democracy on their border. That’s simply disgusting.

    And what are we doing about it in the West? Do we protest Chinese Embassies? Do we refuse to buy Chinese goods? Do we refuse to trade with them?

    No – so long as North Korea don’t threaten us, we carry on as though it isn’t happening.

    Sound familiar?

    • Sejanus

      Well put.

    • Ben Franklin

      I admire your passion but North Korea is a country with its own laws and government, and there is not much anyone outside North Korea can do to change anything besides going to war with them. War would be a stupid choice in my opinion. There are different ways to deal with a rogue country, and it is not always war. The world is not giving up, it is just a realization that at the end of the day, the screaming, the condemnations, the shouting at the United Nations, and the local protests at various embassies may not have any major effect because you are dealing with a country whose leaders don’t care what anyone else thinks or says about them.

      CoS on the other hand has to abide by the laws of the countries they operate in, and thus, is a problem that should taken care of if a lot of pressure come to bare.

      Don’t get me wrong, I fully understand the plight of the people of North Korea, but the change will have to come from within North Korea.

      • Sid_Snakey

        It’s a bit difficult to rise up and overthrow your oppressors when you live in North Korea. In fact it’s probably the least likely place for a revolution in the history of the world. It’s a bit like asking why the masses of Scientology don’t rise up and depose David Miscavige, except David Miscavige couldn’t force you to watch your entire family being executed.

        China, on the other hand, could solve the Korean problem this year, if it wished to. The North Korean “government” (and it’s not a government when it doesn’t care at all about the people) could not survive without the continued assistance from north of their border.

        A bit like the CofS – they claim they abide by the laws of the land, and based on what we’ve seen over the last ten years the judicial system is pretty ineffective against them.

        The IRS however, they could put a stop to Scientology – if they really wanted to.

        In both cases, change can only be introduced by those on the outside.

        • Robert Eckert

          But if China pulls the plug on the North Korean government, then what? The massive number of guns won’t go away. The country would still be dominated by gangs of armed bullies except that there would be a chaotic competition among different factions in different parts of the country, no doubt generating a stampede of impoverished refugees. Ending that situation would still require a full-on invasion and occupation by either China or the US, hopefully not by both at once.

          • Sid_Snakey

            You are describing one possible end-game, there are many others.

            What the people of North Korea have been taught to want more than anything is the reunification of North and South. If China told Kim-the-latest that the game was up, and he could either wake up dead or be hailed as the hero that unified the country before disappearing into a retirement home for the terminally fat, then you can guess which way he would jump. But China don’t want that, so it won’t happen.

            • Robert Eckert

              You are assuming that South Korea would grant a blanket amnesty to all those who have committed crimes under the North Korean regime, which would not really amount to reunification if the South Korean legal code did not apply in the North. What exactly would constitute “reunification”? Would all of the henchmen of the Kim regime surrender all power and feel secure that there would be no consequences? I am not saying the problem is insoluble, but the situation is much more difficult than you seem to be taking for granted. You are of course correct that one of the major difficulties is that China does not want an end-game that involves American occupation straight up to their border, but it is not the only difficulty.

        • Ben Franklin

          “It’s a bit difficult to rise up and overthrow your oppressors when you live in North Korea.”

          Throughout history dictators have come and gone. People rise up and get rid of dictators. Even the ones that seem impossible to get rid of, eventually falls. It has happened in the past, and will continue to happen as long as the world exists. There was a time when the world was ruled by violent Kings and Queens who would chop off their subjects heads at any sign of dissent. Do you know who got rid of those violent dictators? The subjects, the citizens themselves?

          When dealing with a dictator, the more you press them from the outside the more harm you cause to the people under their rule. Economic sanctions, protest at North Korean or Chinese embassies will not do a darn thing for the starving North Korean citizen under Kim Jong-Un. Politicians going to the United nations and condemning Kim Jon-Un as a dictator, a murderer, a monster etc etc is all entertaining, but, does it make any difference in the life of a suffering North Korean Citizen?

          Sure, we can impose all the sanctions in the world on North Korea until the next century, but, do you really believe that Kim Jong Un and any of his cohorts are going to miss a meal?

          • Sid_Snakey

            So, do nothing, and hope that one day something changes. Nice.

            • Ben Franklin

              I am just being realistic. That’s all. Apart from going to war with North Korea, not much will change unless the people of North Korea themselves get rid of Kim Jong-un themselves. There are plenty of examples where the world tried to impose change from the outside and it hardly works. Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, just to mention a few.

    • chukicita

      Not to minimize the tragedy of North Korea here, but China isn’t necessarily the only government that is self-serving and treats its neighbors like expendable props.

      Do you live in America? Pop by the rez nearest you for a fresh viewpoint.

  • Outside architects. Hmmmmm.
    No Scientologist architects?
    Perhaps time to revisit the fact that despite the claims of super powers there is quite a dearth of prominent professionals who are Scientologists.
    One would think that one would have at least rid the world of athlete’s foot or something.

    • Sejanus

      They couldn’t cure a brothel of crotch-rot.

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        Good, old fashioned, guffaw there! Thank you, Sejanus 🙂

        • Sejanus

          My pleasure!
          But true thanks must go to the Co$ for providing years of inspiration to the absurd.

  • Juicer77

    So the real result of the last massive campaign is that the size of Central Files increased. (15m 22s). WOW! *snark*

  • Juicer77

    “real duplication of identity and significance of The Valley.” Can someone translate this $cio-speak, please?

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      *$cieno to Monkey translator engaged*“We’re a special org, and we want our specialness spread throughout the orgsphere!”

      • Juicer77

        LOL!
        I’m guessing it’s word salad to say what the Valley Org is going to look like and do. Well, just say that, then. Sheesh.

        • Dr_Orpheus

          Using standard English instead of Hubbard Speak is squirreling!

          • Juicer77

            Call me squirrely! (f5)

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          I know, wasn’t much help there–just a translation of one word salad for another 🙂 (If they said it like that, people would be able to penetrate the bs too easily!)

          • chukicita

            It made more sense to me when you translated it than it did in Scienese.

    • Sejanus

      Duplication of identity…cloning?…lol

    • Draco

      Roughly: It means to really understand what the valley org is and how important it is.

      Makes no more sense, I know. But I think she is trying to stress that for some reason, the valley org is more important than all the others and will have a much greater impact than all the others. IDK why this would be so.

      • Robert Eckert

        It’s extra-significant because a celebrity whale (Her Bartness of the Vast Empty Territory) has made it a pet project. It is fortunate that Tom Cruise does not have a real home base anywhere or the public in that org would be regged to death to make an Idealler than Ideal new org.

  • I’m about half way through, and I figure I’d better get these comments down before I forget them:

    1) Google does offer a program of 501c3 charitable organization grants however there are limits on the program, including click through rates. One question I have is whether or not there are enough people interested in clicking through on a Scientology ad. I don’t have expertise in American 501c3 organizations and how they run campaigns, but there’s got to be a Bunkerite who does…

    2) Serious questions have been raised about the Amazon Smile campaign. Here’s a good write up of why it may hurt charities. Again, I’m not an expert on charities, comments would be appreciated.

    A big question is whether or not she is telling the truth. I’ve been unable to find a list of organizations who Google is working with in the free Adwords campaign. Nor have I been able to find out who has benefitted from the Amazon campaign, but I’ve been rushed, and didn’t dig as deeply as I normally do.

    Back to listening…

    Edit:

    After I posted this I saw Observer’s comment about people walking into doors! So according to her 47 times more people walk into an Ideal Org than a normal run-of-the-mill Org. So you’ve got your Ideal Org, and you hear about her speech to the Valley folks. You haven’t seen 47x more raw meat entering the Org. If anything your Org is emptier than ever.

    Say you are a whale, and travel a lot. You visit Ideal Orgs in several cities. Do you see 47x times the number of people coming in to take courses? I’ve heard a lot of people talking about cognitive dissonance, and how it impacts an insiders view of events. This however would I suspect tend to be noticeable. Very noticeable. Those who don’t travel of course could continue to think that expansion is occurring elsewhere, and that only their Org is so incompetent it can’t get it right.

    • Chad Loewen really does exist, he really is chief of police in Babbitt MN and they really do use the Foundation for a Drug Free World materials. Maybe a MN based Bunkerite should have a talk with him.

      Small town police departments don’t have the budget to investigate suppliers, and can get sucked in by anyone who offers them free/cheap materials.

      • Qbird

        Wayne Borean, hello there. I live north of Babbitt, inside the BWCA. So a quick FYI for you. Babbit, MN is a pimple on the landscape of Minnesota — it is an extremely small town (population 1,500) located where the wilderness meets the Iron Range… no one goes there, for any reason. It has no significance. It is so infinitesimally small and unimportant & no nothing, that all this hullabaloo is ridiculous and laughable.

        This is another example of the COS making a mountain out of a single iron ore pellet.
        You dig that?

        This Podunk police chief putz just got a little black and white and some glossy 8×10 photos for his hometown newspaper & web page. I can assure you that this is nothing… this has had no impact whatsoever in Minnesota.

        • They have a police department with 1500 people? Small towns in Canada use Provincial or National police, it is more cost effective.

    • chukicita

      To address the first part of your question, from the perspective of a professional fundraiser…

      Google ‘grants’ really don’t cost Google as much as it benefits them. Really, how much do you think ad placement literally costs them? I see on the link you provided that ‘grant’ recipients will receive tracking software to install. Google benefits from that. Even if you assign an arbitrary dollar value to click-throughs, I’m thinking that the ‘grant’ would have to be represented on a 990 as an in-kind donation, and not a financial one as no check from Google is ever sent.

      (as to the Amazon Smile article… well, I guess it depends if you’re a high school lacrosse team with 50 boosters, or a multifaith homeless shelter that is supported by 15 churches with strong social media presence. The article’s author seemed to apply some interesting social psychology with perhaps too much of a broad brush to fundraising. Fundraising is about relationship-building and any organization that only connects once with a supporter isn’t going to last anyway. Nobody is going to fund their entire program through Amazon Smile, anyway, and no fundraiser worth their salt is going to believe they can.)

      • I know people who work for Google. Those ads cost Google virtually nothing to run, except for the time spent setting them up.

        What I’d like to know is what the click through rate was, and was it high enough for the campaign to continue? I’m assuming that Google would notice if all the clicks came from a click farm…

    • Finished listening. I may have permanently lost ten IQ points.

      The remainder wasn’t remarkable, just a plea for more cash. I’d be interested in knowing how many people attended, and how full that made the venue. The echo in her voice makes me think that there were a lot of empty seats. Human bodies absorb sound waves, softening recordings. This recording had an edge to it, you could hear her voice echoing. So how many seats were empty? Inquiring minds want to know.

  • Xenu is my Homeboy

    From the video:

    …since the release of Golden Age of Tech Phase II, Scientology has expanded by 47 times.

    You can keep saying it, but sooner or later even the most kool-aid drunk members are going to realise that all these exponential growth claims are pure bunkum. Scientology would have taken over the whole of Teegeeack by now, if not the whole gal-axe-ee.

    • Sejanus

      47x…
      the lawsuits
      the blown membership
      the bad media coverage
      the foot bullets
      the angry media releases
      the number of critics daily
      more horse plops….

      ( I like the word “plops” so that was for me).

    • Tracy Schmitz

      sometimes i think how i would love to sit in a chair near the stage and just “people watch” i guess it would be hilarious but even more so dumbfounding frightening and unbelieveable!

    • SciWatcher

      47 x 0 is still 0

  • Eivol Ekdal

    “Uh Um ..Cough-ullshit”

  • Baby

    “She actually said quite a few things that should raise eyebrows.” f5

    …………………

    Brandy..Disseminate all you want darlin..Your Orgs are empty.. EMPTY. Get out while the getting out is 47x

    • Missionary Kid

      Hey, Baby! How are you doing? I hope the hand is healing well.

      • Baby

        That is so weird ..I responded to you, but it didn’t post.. hmmmm.. Doing so much better Kid..thank you so much..I can’t wait to get back on my scooter!

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s great. One doesn’t realize how much one uses an appendage until one can’t.

          I hope it’s soon that you’re back on your scooter and terrorizing the neighborhood as a part of your gang.

          • Baby

            Oh I will Kid..that IS a promise!

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I am so glad you are doing better!

          • Baby

            Thank you Free! My Dr. was fantastic. He really was. He stayed at it daily and watched it very closely. The IV drips with the antibiotics worked miracles.

  • madame duran

    Re: Jack Dorsey’s (CEO of Twitter) “endorsement” of WTH
    I may be imagining things or it may be a case of mistaken identity but I believe someone here (perhaps Tony himself) had posted a tweet from Dorsey during the Ferguson riots. He was showing a pamphlet but it didn’t have the usual WTH logo on it. It featured a silouhette of raised hands and it was calling out for peace (“Stop the killing” or some such plea). Anyway, the comment Dorsey made didn’t come across as flattering or enthusiastic; it was like, “oh look who dropped into the neighbourhood, guys.” in a sarcastic way. For Brandy Harrison to take that tweet (seen by 3 million followers) and proclaim “this resulted in Scientology being recognized on Twitter as a fully authorized entity” is stretching truth a little far (OK…a LOT too far. And how vague is that accomplishment?). You can bet she was HUNGRY for a stat to make that bold assertion.

    ETA: Trying to locate Dorsey’s tweet in question. If anyone has the time to search the tweet history of Jack Dorsey’s account (@jack), please do me the favour of posting it.

    • TonyOrtega
      • madame duran

        Yes! That’s it! Thanks for getting it.

      • Orglodyte

        That WTH cover looks like an invasion of Tralfamadorians!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      “A fully authorized entity”

      Ummm…Twitter doesn’t recognize “entities” Brandy. It’s a social media platform, not the IRS. There is just nothing they won’t try to wring some legitimacy out of is there? 🙂

    • Baby

      Good Memory Madame..

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      It was flat our sarcasm with a hint of disgust.

  • Edward Whalley

    Short impressions: The letter sounds fake. At best it sounds like the guy’s been called upon to talk to one high school health class too many. “I broke bones arresting people on drugs.” Isn’t anything to brag of, and the three-year old would probably have been better off without someone firing a gun on top of whatever was going on.

    Social media support: if any of this is true, I’d get on my little franny and write a letter to these worthies, pronto.

    Ideal Orgs: until New Haven Org has a fully functional cafe in the Masonic Hall it bought, I’m listing this under the possibility of pigs flying. Even so, it would be the only Org in Connecticut, Ideal or otherwise. Unless they can prove there’s a huge audience for overpriced American self-help in India, they’re up the creek.

    That’s all I can think of.

  • One must keep in mind that Google has a very particular definition of “evil”.

    “6. You can make money without doing evil.

    Google is a business. The revenue we generate is derived from offering search technology to companies and from the sale of advertising displayed on our site and on other sites across the web. Hundreds of thousands of advertisers worldwide use AdWords to promote their products; hundreds of thousands of publishers take advantage of our AdSense program to deliver ads relevant to their site content. To ensure that we’re ultimately serving all our users (whether they are advertisers or not), we have a set of guiding principles for our advertising programs and practices:

    We don’t allow ads to be displayed on our results pages unless they are relevant where they are shown. And we firmly believe that ads can provide useful information if, and only if, they are relevant to what you wish to find–so it’s possible that certain searches won’t lead to any ads at all.

    We believe that advertising can be effective without being flashy. We don’t accept pop–up advertising, which interferes with your ability to see the content you’ve requested. We’ve found that text ads that are relevant to the person reading them draw much higher clickthrough rates than ads appearing randomly. Any advertiser, whether small or large, can take advantage of this highly targeted medium.

    Advertising on Google is always clearly identified as a “Sponsored Link,” so it does not compromise the integrity of our search results. We never manipulate rankings to put our partners higher in our search results and no one can buy better PageRank. Our users trust our objectivity and no short-term gain could ever justify breaching that trust.”

    https://www.google.com/about/company/philosophy/

    One must keep in mind that Google is weird.

    “Google’s code of conduct is much longer than Alphabet’s. It includes idiosyncracies about drinking alcohol at work (OK but not too much) and taking pets to the office (dogs are cool but cats are discouraged).”

    http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/10/02/as-google-becomes-alphabet-dont-be-evil-vanishes/

    One must keep in mind that Google’s new umbrella has a new motto with its own peculiar definition.

    “Alphabet’s code doesn’t include that phrase. Instead, it says employees of Alphabet and its subsidiaries “should do the right thing – follow the law, act honorably, and treat each other with respect.””

    http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/10/02/as-google-becomes-alphabet-dont-be-evil-vanishes/

    Apropos of absolutely nothing:

    ” Journo-fascist profiteers, pornotastic pioneers
    Bonbonbastic puppeteers, get away from me
    How can you write what we read, that ain’t my reality
    You disabuse humanity, humility and fealty

    Oh, you guess you got an edge
    Hiding your hedge from the feds
    Puttin’ down the little veg
    (Ignorance is a right, not a privilege)

    I’m finished, done, and had it
    And while you fucks are at it
    As far as I’m concerned
    Pluto’s still a planet ”
    (“Identity Theft”, Nellie McKay)

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I am two minutes and one second into it, and still listening. I wonder who wrote it? I wonder who made up the facts? Was it her or do they hand her this nonsense.

    Her voice lacks a certain power that one might hope for from The Building Expansion Director International. Think of Mom and Dad. “Brandy, we wanted you to get an honest job. You are being set up as a fall guy like Heber Jentszch? You earn so little money that you will never own a building you can call home.”

    I made it to the end of the talk.

    Much of what she says goes directly against the experience of the people who are sitting there. The only way that her talk can work is if the people listening are very gullible. I suppose that is the case.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      It would be interesting to know whether the attendees have had auditing prior to the event (with the hypnotic state it induces)…

      • Sid

        A good Scientologist is able to keep themselves in a constant hypnotic state. It’s an ability gained.

        • Missionary Kid

          I wouldn’t call it an ability. It’s more like a disability.

          • Draco

            Scientology can help you with that! ;P

            • Missionary Kid

              The problem is, it already has.:D

      • Draco

        They do often run “group processing” on people at events. This gets everybody chatting and laughing, and woe betide you if you do not have a big smile on your dial after the processing. Name on list…

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Get the VGIs in, and all that… disturbing 🙁

    • Draco

      Gullibility certainly plays into it. But mostly they are guilted into attending. I mean, who goes willingly to one of those fund raisers. I would be shocked if even ONE person said they liked attending them and enjoyed it!
      Other family members in the Sea Org would also be a big inducement to be seen to be contributing so that your name does not end up on the “Soon to be threatened with SP Declare List”.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        This is why I’m so glad that out here on the defrocked fringes the words SP are a compliment. I know it’s used to put a lot of fear and guilt into a person inside the bubble. It must be nice once someone is out to find out that not only are there places where they’ll be celebrated as an SP, it is actually preferred. 🙂

    • Tracy Schmitz

      um, they past “gullible” a LONNNNNNNNG time ago…

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        I guess there has to be a better word than gullible. Deluded might do it.

        Robert Crumb did a story about a girl attending a cult meeting. She listens to a speaker while thinking, “He’s crazy”. She looks at the rest of the audience who display rapt attention and concludes, “They are all crazy”. Maybe every person in the audience is thinking exactly that but doesn’t want to seem out of step. I often felt that way, as a member. So many others I have talked to said that the first cracks in the belief systems occurred early on.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Steven Hassan and Rick Ross Explain it All – pick a book, any book

        • mikecrosby

          Years ago I attended a Billy Graham crusade at Angel’s stadium Anaheim, CA. Towards the end, Billy Graham gives the “alter call” to accept Jesus. Then hundreds of people trickle down from the stands to the podium. It happens in continual waves, not all at once.

          One is given the idea that so many were coming forward to “accept Jesus as their savior”. In reality, the first waves are those who are already Christians, but the audience doesn’t know better and thinks everyone is coming forward to “accept Christ”.

          While this is going on, Billy Graham continues to admonish the crowd to come forward. And I’m sure thousands did.

          Watching the spectacle in the stands, I thought to myself, how dare I not be aligned with their beliefs. Either these 40,000 are right and I’m wrong or I’m right and they’re wrong. The odds certainly didn’t weigh in my favor.

        • SucculentDuck

          it’s called pluralistic ignorance

    • Baby

      Not gullible Korgo..I would say that they no longer have their Critical Thinking Skills.

  • Baby

    “Do you remember that National Marketing.. that used to play on TV..”
    …….
    Yep.. Yep we do Brandy.. Why didn’t you mention who created it.. Jefferson Hawkins..I imagine you didn’t mention it is because he left and wrote a fabulous book.. Hmmmm.. Google That sweetie

    http://www.villagevoice.com/news/the-top-25-people-crippling-scientology-no-17-jefferson-hawkins-6660155

    • Draco

      Exactly what I was thinking. Haha – still a feather in Jeff’s cap though, to use that as the benchmark. Wonder who did a stint in the RPF for allowing that into her speech….

      • Baby

        It IS a feather in his cap.. I loved his book Counterfeit Dreams. I know Tony has written about Jefferson more than once. He does deserve a lot credit.

        Draco we are on the same page.. I was wondering Why in the hell that that was put in the speech. And I love how it was transcribed on the video for all to read. Yep, someone will get time in the RPF for that..

        • Tracy Schmitz

          so i’m guessing no one in even KNOWS? the truth of it all? or who even jefferson hawkins is? or wrote? or did?..

          • Baby

            The old timers that were in can answer that better than me Tracy..

          • Semper Phi

            He would never have gotten credit for the ad by name, so no regular public member would have known who he was. International Management is a big mystery sandwich for regular scilons. The only living person who gets any credit for anything is DM, now that he doesn’t allow other executives on stage with him at the big events.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Never heard of him while in

    • richelieu jr

      More than one book, @glibwog:disqus!

      All of them great, and one about getting out and over the Scilon swindle!

      • Baby

        You are absolutely right rich.. Please accept my being in a hurry as an excuse.. xo baby

    • Jefferson Hawkins

      That’s quite an admission for Scientology to make: “The last time we did any sort of massive marketing was about 20 years ago.” Closer to 30 – long before Brandy was born.

      • Jgg2012

        Maybe they are growing so fast that they only need to mass market once every 20 years. Don’t they have eleventy million members?

      • Baby

        There you Are.. The man himself.. Don’t you love that Scientology is still singing your praises after all these years Jefferson..

        It’s easy to read between the lines.. ” Since Jefferson Hawkins left no one has been able to fill his shoes..” ( or HAT) Kudos to you Jefferson.

      • In the Scientology universe, their legacies are always about the stats and not about those who work so hard to make them happen. Here in the real world, we know who made all that happen.

  • Ben Franklin

    In all fairness though, Google runs a program where they give “Google Ad Grants” to nonprofit organizations to promote their initiatives. The current amount that Google gives out to nonprofits in form of Ad Grants is USD $10,000 per month.

  • Draco

    How many lies does she tell?
    Let me count the ways ….

    Nope. Not going that shit 2X

  • Susan black

    Dm just can’t resist bragging about conning Google and how he’s soon gonna do it to China and India. and uses sweet looking Brandi to voice it. such a nasty little man and his cherch.

  • A monumental level of expansion…
    ..
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/syDGPKtdCMs/hqdefault.jpg

    Better than mythic, I suppose.

    • Missionary Kid

      It looks like the only thing left is feet of clay.

    • Robert Eckert

      I see the trunkless legs but where is the half-sunk visage?

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        and part of a plaque…

  • OTD:OutTheDoor

    Uh, Brandy, you fail to mention what color of construction paper will be used to cover the windows. Covered windows are a crucial element to all idle morgues.

  • Steve Bazemore

    Is something Wong with th audio in the video or on my device? My volume is definitely up but there’s no audio to the video, and it still “clicks” as I type and other videos have sound

    • Steve Bazemore

      Never mind, refreshed and its fine

      • OTD:OutTheDoor

        You can have my audio. I’m done with it.

  • Richard

    “At which point, the fundraising kicked off and roared through the evening non-stop with virtually every Scientologist in attendance contributing.”

    What the flier doesn’t mention is that all the exits were either locked or blocked off by numerous Sea Org members or staff, making it literally impossible to get out without donating some money.

    Every public in the room will have been sitting at round tables, so that the Sea Org members can get right behind you and coax you in to going on stage to sign your name on the donating board. They even whisper in your ear saying things like “You can do it” or “Get up and do a flow.”

    Something very strange happens to everyone during these important events. There are always the big donors who get up immediately and donate thousands, and this starts off a sort of war cry for everyone else who, because of the intimidating and over-powering situation, become collectively hypnotised and begin to do things that they, in any normal situation, would never even dream of doing.

    These events are, infact, an example of the full thrust and evil of Scientology’s technology at work.

    • Susan black

      “Get up and do a flow”..do they really say that? I got the giggles reading that:)

    • PickAnotherID

      Sounds like a Mafia ‘Protection Racket’ operation from an old gangster movie. The one where the thug is telling the new grocer on the street, “You need to sign up for our protection program. Accidents happen.”, as he pushs a jar of pickled eggs off the counter.

      I can just picture a Sea Ogre whispering in someone’s ear, “You need to sign up now. Declares happen.”

    • ze moo

      Priming the pump is a time honored tradition in scam world. Some of the early ‘donates’ are probably fake.

    • I once attended an ‘auction’. It kicked off with amazing bargains that were snapped up by stooges. Then the real goods came out – Chinese rubbish bought off of the website Alibaba. People paid way over the odds for this in the heat of the moment.

      It’s a old con, but it evidently still plays.

    • Eivol Ekdal
      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        Oh Lawd! Eight and a half HOURS??
        Of THIS???Poor folk of Montreal.

        • Jenny Daniels

          Does anyone know if they still start these with “group processing?”
          Hey, I’ve been out for 40 years, what do I know? 😉

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            Not sure (I’m a never-in) but Draco mentioned in a reply downthread that this still happens at these events when they were in.

      • Jenny Daniels

        The Rhythmless Nation is engaging in mass hysteria…Wow

      • Lousy Ratatouille

        They seem very much OUT OF CONTROL (like the song says), like non-deluded people (they would say WOGs) on XTC or some other drug. I think I would have had a hangover Idéale, if I had attended. This hangover would have lingered a long time, depending on how much money I didn’t even have I would still have promised to donate. A bit of a nightmare, but to me ONLY a nightmare, not reality. I’ll have my dessert now and another glass of wine and just lurk,

    • herd instinct.

      Chapter 4 “social truth” of “Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion, Revised Edition” by Cialdini or chapter 5 “the mind’s I; consciousness and identity” in “opening minds: the secret world of manipulation, undue influence and brainwashing” by our very own Jon Atack

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    4 minutes in and I’ve already lost count of the lies.

  • OTD:OutTheDoor

    They have come full circle with the IRS! So sayeth Brandy. I can’t finish this, sorry. Coffee is done

  • Tracy Schmitz

    LOST ME (thank goodness they never had me EVER!) on the plethora of lines involving “moving up in status!”..lol! on a more serious note, EVERY time i see photos of these people i think “really?! REALLY?!” and the really is a multitude of negative thoughts and unbelievability….

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    “Amazon somehow acquired a list of 200 Scientology-related entities, including 129 of our churches. We were pretty astounded, as we did not register with this program.”

    *cough*bullshit*cough*

    • When I bought webspace for a business venture, Google sent me a free advertising voucher which I did not ask for, and a Nigerian Prince asked me to handle substantial sums of money for him.

      If you go online you are going to recieve promotional offers and be targeted by cons. If you are a big organisation, you are going to get greater attention because you have a lot of money to spend.

      Why should the CofS pretend to be astonished that publicly available websites would draw this kind of response? Because it implies that Amazon is so impressed by your activites that they want to support them. In actual fact, they are just touting for business.

      This is the rationale beind ‘Volunteer Ministers’ getting publicity on the cheap by associating themselves with orgnanisations like the Red Cross. If they really were what they claimed to be they would not have to do this.

      • ze moo

        The VM”s are indeed a ‘rah, rah, look at me, but don’t look too closely’ organization.

  • Tracy Schmitz

    so what’s the story on this “person” brandy harrison?…

  • PickAnotherID

    My take away from the video: Brandy Harrison, “Lies, more lies, lies about the lies. Valley lies. Lies, lies, expansion, lies. Astounded, not, big lie. More lies later.”

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      And like most Co$ public speakers, her voice is annoying as hell.

      Let me just note that I know that is bitchy & petty but really, I had to mute it and just read it about 6 mins in because I couldn’t take it anymore.

      • oknow

        And that’s not all…

  • Avid Miskaridge

    The IRS agent is therefore in violation of his duties, if indeed they acted in that manner. IRS infiltration makes sense.

  • Captain MustSavage

    I’m thinking that if China had real Google they not not have allowed Scientology to gain a foothold here. Surely it’s history of infiltrating government agencies wouldn’t go down well with the Party.

    • Missionary Kid

      I think that they’re actually talking about Taiwan.

    • Any entity which stake a claim to the loyalty of its members that just might conflict with absolute loyalty to the party does not go down well. If that entity originated in the USA and sends money (and information) home… forget it.

      The Chinese regime is very LRH that way.

  • OTD:OutTheDoor

    Dear Professor Ortega, I could only complete one half of the assignment this morning. I just. . . can’t. . .make it past halfway. I tried, twice. Just mark me absent.

  • Baby
  • flyonthewall

    I’m going to ask Brandy to the Enchantment Under the Sea Org dance

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      “You’re a slacker, McFly, and always have been!”(ETA: can’t leave Back To The Future reference hanging like that 🙂 )

      • flyonthewall

        oh yes sir

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          (can’t remember the next bit… can’t even remember whether it was ‘loser’ or ‘slacker’… imdb will be my frien… naah, can’t be arsed!)

    • McFlyOnTheWall?

  • MM

    In January, we introduced the online world to our new Scientology cathedral and an awe-inspiring view of the new Mark Ultra VIII E-meter. This resulted in people clicking on our website at a rate of two people every second.

    Wow, TWO clicks per second! That sure sounds impressive, doesn’t it?

    Well, it kind of does – but only until you compare it to what might be happening on other websites every second. Just as an example taken from around the same time (Brandy is talking about Jan 2014), in December 2013 Amazon reported that on that year’s ‘Cyber Monday’ alone they sold FOUR HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX items per second.

    http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/26/5245008/amazon-sees-prime-spike-in-2013-holiday-season

  • Chee Chalker

    Brandy is LRH reincarnate…. That’s my theory. Watch out COB

    • Mockingbird

      Well, I don’t support what she is saying , but if she is Hubbard I have to admit one stat went up – appearance. I’d rather see her than Hubbard’s old body, especially at the end.

      • Chee Chalker

        That’s the power of scientology….you come back in a body with better teeth

        • Mockingbird

          Well, I didn’t give her much of a compliment: I would rather look at a pile of manure than Hubbard’s ugly mug.

  • Ben Franklin

    Listening to Brandy Harrison is maddening. How silly it is to believe that the reason people stopped protesting is because they read the Way to Happiness booklet. Apparently all we need to do is just hand out booklets to protesters, criminals, drug addicts and before you know it, no more protests, no more crime, and no more drug addiction. My goodness. How stupid can people be at times.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      IKR! F5

      • what’sup

        SciApeNut$

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          I was rather hoping no-one would notice… I got a cousin to do the facepalm–someone had to take the pic 🙂

          • what’sup

            Haha. The French only have one word for both, Simian. So watching a French documentary where they point out the differences between lé simian and lé simian is SO FUCKING CONFUSING.

    • chukicita

      All of Scientology is predicated on causation without correlation.

    • madame duran

      Scientologists make the mistake of thinking that signs of heavy production means good results. They’re not interested in breaking down the data figures, checking for accuracy or demanding accountability (like how Mike Rinder or Jeff Hawkins do it); they want to be assured that all their giving/working/talking for Scientology is SEEN as doing good. The cult is indeed busy but achieves little. Much ado about nothing.

  • Skabetti

    I wish she would have added, “Go online, scientologists, and google “scientology” to check it out…”

  • madame duran

    See, the Ideal Org fundraising has a beginning, a middle and then finally an end. Many people actually don’t know this…[audible laughing from audience]…but unlike some other Scientology fundraising activities, there is a completion to this strategy.

    I think many people from the audience ACTUALLY KNOW on a gut-level that they’re being fed hype. “Unlike some other Scientology fundraising activities…” Wow. The cult admits to having incomplete cycles of action! Care to specify which ones those are, Scientology? There are several. So little expansion, so many speed bumps and obstacles along the way.

    How old is Brandy?

    • ze moo

      Brandy is a breath of fresh air, and will be punished for it.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    There will be a completion to this fundraising. The rest….not so much. (F5)

    • salin

      Sure – a completion. Heh. Compare the renderings of the ‘Valley Ideal Org’ to the photos that our on-the-ground correspondent shares with us (DDD) – it still looks exactly like the center pic of the lower building montage (beneath the architect). Then again, maybe that is a contributing factor – the longer it sits idle – the longer more fundraising can be done in the name of ‘completion’.

    • Draco

      And that’s probably the biggest lie she told that day.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        It was one of many. It was sort of a word salad with lie dressing. 🙂

  • Supper Powers

    Miscavige & Co. may be proud that they were able to get some free ads at Google. From what I read and know, it’s not rocket science to get free advertising from them. It’s not like they formed a corporate partnership with Google. The theatrics are amusingly disproportionate to the accomplishment, but I guess there’s so little to brag about at CoS they have to talk about something like it’s meaningful.

    • chukicita

      Absolutely. No organization that makes in-kind donations really expects an event celebration about it.

      Besides, where the hell are the Google people at this event? Were they even invited? If you’re going to crow about their support, at least give them a meal and 4 minutes at the mic.

      • Supper Powers

        If you Google how to get free ads at Google, every blogger and young consultant is talking about how to stack info on the internet to get Google to point free ads to your website. Would not surprise me if someone just followed these instructions. The algorithm is calculated so that CoS sites pop up first (for a few days) and that’s the big get from Google. Ads like this are based on network traffic and lots of mathy things, not philanthropic support from the company.

        ETA http://blog.hubspot.com/blog/tabid/6307/bid/1612/Free-Advertising-on-Google.aspx

    • If you buy some server space from most web hosts they Google will give you a substantial sum in ‘free’ click-through advertisements. It’s a routine means of drawing you in to paying for the service in future. You can expect the CofS to exploit this kind of offer for every ‘independent’ entity and front groups, add up all the money and multipy by 10.

      As you say, this is a promotion for Google services, not a corporate endorcement.

  • chukicita

    Oooo, looky! The ad says the magazine weighs over a pound and was mail-dropped in January. Maybe a Canadian Bunkeroo could pick it up and save on shipping?

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCIENTOLOGY-IMPACT-MAGAZINE-NO-150-NEW-IAS-INTERNATIONAL-ASSOCIATION-/281902549057?hash=item41a2b38841:g:gAcAAOSwKtlWjS5i

    • Draco

      Good Grief! That’s ridiculous – Impact mags get sent out to everybody in their central files, for free! Who would want to buy that PoS?
      I used mine to lie the litter box – nice and strong high, heavy gloss paper offers resistance to kitteh claws 🙂

      • chukicita

        But just for the raw shoop material and claims stated in print… priceless!

    • stanrogers

      …but that would mean picking it up, and then owning it. Newmarket’s almost walking distance… but no.

  • Ben Franklin

    One interesting tidbit is that Miscavige came up with his “brilliant” Ideal Orgs idea after hearing about how the catholic church expanded when it started building cathedrals that were not only huge, but were also architectural marvels of the time. What Miscavige failed to grasp is that we live in a totally different era where buildings are no longer the focal point for religious activities.

    • Draco

      And now, people pay to just go in and look at those cathedrals.
      That never gonna happen with any idle morgue!

      • Ben Franklin

        They are all just a bunch of museums

        • Observer

          Crappy, boring museums

    • chukicita

      Nor is the science of architecture considered a magical mystery anymore.

    • Sherbet

      And those cathedrals were full of worshipers back then.

    • Missionary Kid

      He also failed to realize the fact that the archetectural value of his edifices is zero.

    • Amy Forsythe

      I actually don’t think the midget gave two shits about whether the ideal org strategy would work or not. He just needed expenditures to justify his tax exempt status and something to point to for the idiot whales.

      • ze moo

        The introduction of the video kiosks means fewer staff to set the hook and reel in the fish.

      • Ben Franklin

        I don’t think Miscavige would have tried it if he didn’t think it would work. From all accounts Miscavige is not the type that likes to spend money from his own coffers. Don’t forget that the Ideal Orgs are being built in large part by fundraisers carried out by local members not money coming from Miscavige

    • Mockingbird

      I think he mirrored the model of a malignant narcissist (Hubbard) who has an inner self that is incompetent, worthless and disgusting that is denied by building a perfect godlike false outer self as a facade. The false self is perfect, superior, expert and infallible.

      Miscavige took the empty dumps Scientology had and bled the whales into making beautiful fake orgs. They still have confused and incompetent staff inside, but look pretty from the outside. This is also mirrored in the family that has an abusive narcissist in power who must pretend to have a perfect family to outsiders, to hide the abuse and dysfunction within. They pretend superior morality by volunteering at church or coaching or doing boy scouts etc.while actually abusing people behind closed doors.

  • chukicita

    How old was Brandy when the Valley Ideal Org fundraising campaign started?

    • Amy Forsythe

      I believe she just celebrated her 47,876,432,198th birthday…in theta years that is.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      I thought the Valley Ideal Org fundraising started on the 13th March 1911!

      • Ben Franklin

        I think that was just a few years before L Ron Hubbard was arrested for petty theft

    • Ben Franklin

      The ideal Org program is a huge failure. According to CoS website the following Ideal Org projects were projected to open in 2014-2015.

      UNITED STATES
      Albuquerque, New Mexico
      Battle Creek, Michigan
      Boston, Massachusetts
      Chicago, Illinois
      Columbus, Ohio
      Detroit, Michigan
      Harlem, New York
      Kansas City, Missouri
      New Haven, Connecticut
      Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
      San Diego, California
      San Fernando Valley, California
      St. Louis, Missouri

      AFRICA
      Cape Town, South Africa
      Durban, South Africa
      Port Elizabeth, South Africa
      Bulawayo, Zimbabwe
      Harare, Zimbabwe

      CANADA
      Toronto, Ontario
      Montréal, Québec

      LATIN AMERICA
      Las Lomas, Mexico
      Caracas, Venezuela
      Valencia, Venezuela

      EUROPE
      Copenhagen, Denmark
      Budapest, Hungary

      UNITED KINGDOM
      Birmingham, England
      Manchester, England
      Plymouth, England
      Sunderland, England

      AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND/ASIA
      Auckland, New Zealand

    • Observer

      Third grade?

      EDIT: I forgot she’s second gen. Cadet Org?

      • chukicita

        Really? Oh, wow. I hope she can develop some marketable skills for the tax exemption reversal times.

        • what’sup

          I hope she doesn’t develop a heap of health issues from being overworked and underfed as a child.

  • Mockingbird

    Good morning Bunkeroos.

    I start today with an OT issue.
    At my blog I posted two comments someone made online. I told the person I considered them racist and that sparked a big conflict. I will quote the remarks and my response and ask your opinion. If it’s not insulting or rude I would appreciate it whether you agree with me or disagree.

    Begin quote
    “Bernie Sanders is an anachronism.

    He is the identical ultra left Democrat as those of the 1960s and 1970s that had glorious-sounding theories about how to fix the problem of poverty, crime and illiteracy. By the state building free public housing and giving away trillions in other welfare entitlements to those who didn’t want to work. By eviscerating and lowering traditional educational standards when “minorities” failed to graduate for such “racist” and “discriminatory” reasons like they were illiterate.

    Sanders is an archetypical charicature of the wacky inventor whose scientific theories famously failed. Sanders, and others like him were the architects of social experiments that turned America’s inner cities into murderous terror zones that citizens and police alike are afraid to even venture into. Crime is out the roof. Poverty is soaring. Educational levels have plummeted. Unemployment is off the charts. Drug dealing and use is out of control. Criminal rates amongst inner-city blacks/hispanics are beyond outrageous. And violent crime is overwhelming the police, hospitals, social agencies and criminal justice system.

    It’s “normal” now for a weekend in Chicago, for example, to have FIFTY SHOOTINGS over the weekend. That is the actual number from the previous weekend in America’s third largest city. FIFTY shootings, one city. That’s not a city, that’s a war zone.”
    End quote
    And

    Begin quote
    “HellYeah! They take from the rich (e.g. Obamaphone) and give to the poor.

    Oh, wait a second, they are the rich. So, if you are George Soros with a net worth of $24.2 Billion, if you believe in giving to the poor (e.g. welfare, choking taxes, food stamps, et al) why don’t you keep 200 million for yourself personally and DONATE the other 24 Billion to any crime-infested inner city in America.

    With that 24 Billion you can help all the thieves, drug dealers, murderers, gang members, welfare queens and deadbeat fathers who don’t support their children. You can put in your new testing methods into the collapsed school systems there–to ensure that “no child is left behind” and that they all pass each course and graduate high school, despite the fact they can’t do simple math and are illiterate.

    You can create more basketball courts (the rage over the last decade in Democratic party managed ghettos) to stop the overwhelming number of violent crimes and murders.

    You can fund some more of those mandatory “SELF-ESTEEM” classes in public schools so that when a student can’t pass any tests, they don’t get down on themselves and think that they might need to study more to improve. Instead, you can fund all kinds of rewards and trophies for ghetto denizens who can’t string together a single grammatical sentence and hold celebratory events which praise their outstanding mastery of Ebonics.

    And you can showcase to the world how your 24 Billion dollars transformed that ghetto into a crime-free, high production zone where people are self-reliant and go on to lead productive lives without welfare.

    You can do it billionaires! Show us how your theories work!!

    Billionaires, don’t let the fact that trillions have already been spent on that failed social experiment by the Democratic Party since the 1950s deter you. Billionaires, don’t lose your “self esteem” just because all the trillions of dollars bought were poverty-ridden ghettos that have become murder zones, with a typical weekend in any of those cities having dozens of shootings and/or deaths.

    Don’t get down on your theories, billionaires, we believe you when you lecture us about how the problem is that we don’t give more money to the ghettos.

    Show us how it works–with your own money this time..”
    End quote
    Those two quotes are racist. You use the racist terms “welfare queen, ghettos, ebonics, ghetto denizens who can’t string together a single grammatical sentence,they all pass each course and graduate high school, despite the fact they can’t do simple math and are illiterate, welfare entitlements to those who didn’t want to work”.

    Your racist remarks are the reason I pointed out that you’re a racist.

    I am completely convinced by the two quotes above.

    • ze moo

      Just because they aren’t wearing white sheets with hoods, doesn’t mean they aren’t racists. Lots of false equivalency and cognitive dissonance in those rants. Right up there with Obama is the font of all evil that Faux News keeps laying out.

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks. The person pulled the “I can’t be racist, I have black friends” card.

        • chukicita

          *facepalm*

    • Doc M

      what’s your link again, I lost all my bookmarks yesterday…firefox did a nose dive on me.

      • Mockingbird

        Here’s my blog but you can’t comment there.

        http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2016/01/racist-remarks.html?m=1

        • Doc M

          thank you

        • Doc M

          I totally agree with you and there is no doubt, these comments are not even thinly veiled, but totally racist and use convoluted logic to make points which are over simplistic and just not true.

          Where were these comments posted? You don’t have to use their individual names.

          Social problems have never been caused by one administration or another administration and to say so is totally stupid. Some administrations have taken steps to try to correct the inequities i.e. T Roosevelt or L Johnson, but those were quickly reversed. (Hoover and Reagen) These social problems have a long history which go back centuries have always existed. They’re worse when the gap between the wealthy and poor increases, which is happening at this moment. This is not new as the same existed prior to WW2 which created a wealthier middle class, though temporary. We’re back to a very defined class system of the wealthy and the poor.

          Bird,, there is no discussion, these two quotes are most definitely racist.

          • Mockingbird

            I don’t want to smear a whole site . I was just disappointed that a site that isn’t openly biased would accept those remarks and have people attack me for pointing out the racism and then threaten to ban me.

            • Robert Eckert

              This is how veiled bigotry works: the accusation of racism is treated as a worse crime than racism itself. It works similarly on the left where an accusation of anti-Semitism is worse than anti-Semitism; but it is much more common on the right, especially in America where a whole array of code words and “dog whistles” has been developed over the years for expressing contempt of black people and scapegoating them for all the country’s problems, and calling anyone on any of them is treated as a terrible offense. The problem is that dog whistles are only supposed to be audible to the dogs, but everybody by now knows what “welfare queens” etc. refers to.

            • Mockingbird

              Thanks. I felt like I entered bizarro world when I got attacked viciously and threatened with a ban for calling the person racist. I felt it was obvious, but got turned into me being called a troll ! I was disappointed.

            • Mockingbird

              I have seen the anti Semitism accusations against people for criticizing the Israeli government or military or even Zionists. I can’t support anti Semites, Holocaust denial or pro Hitler people EVER. But Israel isn’t above criticism or perfect.

              I think the treatment of Palestinians deserves serious examination on human rights grounds.

            • Robert Eckert

              But people on the left who say they are “just criticizing Israel” often break out vicious anti-Semitic tropes and applaud those with exterminationist agendas, and then go into the same kind of faux outrage if you call them on it. This is more noticeable in Europe, and much of the upset over Corbyn’s takeover of the Labour Party in the UK is because of this.

            • Mockingbird

              It is troubling. I certainly want to guard against anti Semites and Holocaust deniers. But I also don’t want to give the Israeli government or military a pass to abuse people. I try to center my approach on human rights. I want the Israelis AND Palestinians to have full equal rights and recognition.

              If criticizing Israel is not allowed then you can’t give equality to others.

            • Robert Eckert

              Corbyn does not guard against anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers: he stands right next to them and calls them great warriors for human rights. If you point that out, you will be accused of giving Netanyahu a pass to abuse people and trying to forbid any criticism of Israel. That’s how it works.

            • Mockingbird

              It’s an absurd position. Holocaust deniers and anti Semites deserve no support as they oppress human rights. Similarly anyone who won’t recognize Palestinians and Muslims as deserving full equality are doing the exact same thing.

              Everyone deserves human rights and unbiased examination.

            • Mockingbird

              I just read a speech by Corbyn where he spoke against antisemitism. I don’t know his history, but acknowledging and condemning antisemitism is a good thing .

              https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/news/jeremy-corbyns-full-speech-labour-friends-israel-reception

            • villagedianne

              Please see my reply to Robert Eckert above. Though he should be called out if he is anti-Semitic. it’s not about Corbyn’s bigotry or lack of, It’s about looking at the situation and deciding for onesself. There is no guilt-by-association of ideas.

            • Mockingbird

              Oh boy, I don’t know Corbyn or his position so this is getting difficult to follow.

            • Robert Eckert

              This is familiar weasel-wording: he denounces all forms of discrimination from the far right, implicitly denying that any such thing exists on the left. He states his friendship for those who want “progress” in the Middle East, by which he means the complete abolition of Israel (he cannot make himself speak the name “Israel” and will never address what he thinks is going to happen to all Israelis). This is why the organization Labour Friends of Israel that he was addressing has, as of today, been purged from the party.

            • Mockingbird

              If he wants all Jews removed he should come out and openly say it. That is a very tough position to sell.

            • Robert Eckert

              That’s why he won’t speak openly, and banishes anyone who tries to press him.

            • Mockingbird

              Not good, not good at all.

            • Mockingbird

              I thought progress meant peace !

            • Robert Eckert

              “Progress” means the destruction of imperialism in their lexicon.

            • Mockingbird

              That is a bizarre code. Most progressives in America claim progress is moving forward on civil rights, women’s rights, gay rights, economic equality etc..

              This is quite different.

            • Mockingbird

              Is there a web site that explains this doublespeak ? Cause I see speeches and think they sound reasonable, but they may mean something entirely different.

            • Robert Eckert
            • Mockingbird

              Quite troubling. I have unfortunately dealt with dozens of antisemites who are either on the right or apolitical, but now understand there is a special code and mindset for antisemitism on the left, meaning the real left and not merely liberals or democrats.

              The antisemitism on the right is characterized as black and white emotional discrimination, usually accompanied by racism, sexism and Islamophobia. The redneck racist model is simple and a universal trope.

              But the far left antisemite is, if I understand the article correctly, a different animal. He (or she) is an intellectual who uses complex doublethink and denies rights to defend them.

              In other words he attacks the Israeli government, Zionists and perhaps Jews in general, but justifies this by seeing his actions as for the Palestinians.

              But the problem of the far left in this case is the same as the far right: radicalization with intense projection and black and white morals. Everyone is either the evil empire and its supporters, whether aware of it or not, or the innocent oppressed.

              But this is far too simplistic and doesn’t acknowledge the evil of terrorists or the innocence of normal people.

              And the mixed and complicated positions others are in. Say Israel actually has committed some crimes against Palestinians – how much responsibility do soldiers who DON’T personally participate have ? If they never know ?

              Or Palestinians who kill civilians ?

              I don’t think the ideology Corbyn has been accused of having leaves room for honest examination of individuals and the variables that make different situations hold different degrees of responsibility.

              On the far left an opinion that “I can’t be prejudiced because I support the oppressed who are the good guys” gives certainty of moral superiority to the “other”, in this case it may be the Israeli government or military, Zionists or even Jews in general, and once a person is certain they are superior to a category of people with no room for equality or self criticism, you are dangerously close to losing empathy and humility and certainly any unbiased perspective.

              This spells a kind of doom for some on the left. And gives even more dire implications for the ideas and influence of Noam Chomsky and others. It explains why the far left embraces Palestinians. They adopt a black and white view with anyone they see as imperialist as pure evil and any oppressed people as pure good. This is great for idealized projection. You can push negative emotions onto the evil empire and positive emotions onto the oppressed and feel good about yourself for your enlightenment.

              It’s a recipe for blind arrogance. It’s sad but it fits Eric Hoffer’s ideas from True Believer, the fanatic isn’t made by the cause. The fanatic just needs a cause. It can be far right or left.

              With the fanaticism black and white morality provides ecstasy and direction to give life meaning and purpose. That frees the fanatic as they can get lost in the movement and avoid being a lone individual. They escape themself and responsibility.

              It is sad. Antisemitism has so much opportunity to rise.

              This puts a new light on many issues. The BDS movement is now not a clear issue.

              Back to not knowing, but wanting a peaceful solution somehow.

              The similarities to Chomsky’s position are striking. He also paints a black and white world of the evil US with its allies and its opponents as pure good. Which upon closer examination is ridiculous. Some US policies and actions are good and some bad. It’s true for every country. And requires case by case examination.

              It seems like all roads away from extremism lead to learning to judge individuals and individual situations without bias from ideologies. A tough task. But the only good option.

            • Robert Eckert

              “Everyone is either the evil empire and its supporters, whether aware of it or not, or the innocent oppressed.” This is indeed the simplistic attitude which cultish political movements, whether of the left or right, share.

            • Mockingbird

              If this dark interpretation of Corbyn is fully true and complete he would likely be a serious danger if he ever became the Prime Minister.

              Interestingly, Chris Hedges has written glowing articles praising him and damning Bernie Sanders for being far too moderate in comparison. Perhaps that is far left code for not antisemitic enough, not anti empire enough.

              I certainly want America to be far less belligerent, much like the far left but don’t buy into the empire – pure evil, everyone else – pure good black and white moralism. It is a twisted ideology to replace critical thinking.

              The far left on close examination may in several ways be as bad as the far right. FML.

            • Robert Eckert

              Hedges has a particular animus for the Christian Right which leads him, oddly, to think that Islam is his friend.

              http://www.alternet.org/comments/news-amp-politics/chris-hedges-has-term-richard-dawkins-and-sam-harris-secular-fundamentalists-video#disqus_thread

            • Mockingbird

              He alternately condemns some extremists as fascists BUT displays the qualities Eric Hoffer describes in True Believer.

              He has genuine criticisms of unethical practices by businesses, but I am sadly starting to think like Chomsky is guided by ideology, beyond reason.

              The frustrating thing is this throws doubt on what might be valid information at times.

            • Robert Eckert
            • Mockingbird

              I am glad you showed me that. I used to watch Hedges TV show and was going to buy his books. No chance now. In addition to sharing much of Chomsky’s hidden ideology, he is above mere honesty.

              Obviously he has a serious problem.

              I think there is a group of folks on the left with Chomsky, Hedges and a few others who all reinforce the subtle language that constricts thought and creates the extreme radicalization and black and white empire – pure evil, victims/enemies of empire pure good.

              It is just too oversimplified and prejudiced to be fair or rational, but it has a lot of ethos, logos and pathos to seem authentic, from a wise source, and emotionally appealing. Very troubling.

            • Mockingbird

              I think , as simple minded as it sounds, that there are good people who are Christians, Muslims, Atheists, etc. AND bad people who are Christians, Muslims, Atheists, etc., you have to take each person one at a time AND know sometimes you will be wrong.

            • Robert Eckert

              It really is that simple.

            • Mockingbird

              I have a new post I am curious about your opinion on. It is a surpising experience I had.

              http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2016/01/unfortunate-inevitability-to-tolerate.html?m=1

            • Robert Eckert

              Unfortunately people like that are thoroughly immune to reason. How much energy you should devote to refuting the nonsense depends on whether there is a wider audience watching and how likely it is that someone might find his stuff at least partially persuasive. You should always make it immediately clear that you are against his rubbish, but further than that there is generally little purpose served by engaging.

            • Mockingbird

              I tried to make it completely clear that in no way would I consider his message as valid.

            • Mockingbird

              One other point, just as resolutely pro Hitler as that guy is – I was just as pro Hubbard ! And now I denounce Hubbard and Scientology ! So change can happen !

            • Robert Eckert

              Good point

            • Mockingbird

              Another serious danger the thinking of black and white morality leads to is here:

              http://genocidewatch.net/genocide-2/8-stages-of-genocide/

            • villagedianne

              The fact that there are anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers among the anti-Zionists does not mean we shouldn’t criticize Israel. If we refrain from legitimate criticism of Zionism because anti-Zionism has some bad associations, we are in effect ceding all criticism of Israel to the most irresponsible rabble-rousers. That will be worse in the long run.

            • Mockingbird

              I don’t know why this idiocy is tolerated. With actual critical thinking you can use genuine criticism. In America no one on the right dares criticize the president for torture, indefinite detention, drone assassination, bombing people relentlessly, or the low wages of the jobs being created.

              Their agenda prevents honestly taking on the issues. The unemployment is technically declining BUT the pay is quite low. But Republicans cannot admit that. Trade deals have gutted our economy but Republicans , aside from Libertarians, cannot go against corporations.

              Republicans cannot admit we spend far too much on military blunders, which kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
              And spend trillions of dollars which could have been used to rebuild our infrastructure and eliminated our dependence on fossil fuels permanently.

              The military industrial complex and fossil fuel masters wouldn’t stand for it. Idiocy damning us morally and physically.

            • villagedianne

              Although I am left-leaning, I recognize that the the left-right paradigm is a distraction. We are getting screwed from both sides.

            • Mockingbird

              No shoop required.

            • Mockingbird

              No need for prejudiced tropes. Look at the real situation in Israel and there is plenty of real evidence to criticize.

            • villagedianne

              “I have seen the anti Semitism accusations against people for criticizing the Israeli government or military or even Zionists.”

              As a Jew, and speaking only for myself, it’s not that different from accusing anti-Scientologists of being religious bigots.

            • Mockingbird

              I get that from elle routinely.

            • Robert Eckert

              As it happens, today my FB feed is linking to the latest uproar over Corbyn purging his shadow cabinet. Pat McFadden was fired for this: “May I ask the Prime Minister to reject the view that sees terrorist acts as always being a response or a reaction to what we in the west do? Does he agree that such an approach risks infantilising the terrorists and treating them like children, when the truth is that they are adults who are entirely responsible for what they do? No one forces them to kill innocent people in Paris or Beirut. Unless we are clear about that, we will fail even to understand the threat we face, let alone confront it and ultimately overcome it.” Amazingly, Corbyn’s spokesman confirmed that this remark was the cause of his firing: attributing terrorist attacks to western imperialism is now the only acceptable viewpoint. Michael Dugher of Labour Friends of Israel was also fired, the last advocate for a two-state solution in the inner circle: apparently only “Palestine from the Mediterranean to the Jordan” is acceptable now, although in this case Corbyn claims Dugher was fired for unspecified “incompetence”. Some of the people named to his new shadow cabinet are immediately resigning so he will have to come up with a new team.

            • villagedianne

              ” . . . such an approach risks infantilising the terrorists and treating them like children, when the truth is that they are adults who are entirely responsible for what they do? No one forces them to kill innocent people in Paris or Beirut. Unless we are clear about that, we will fail even to understand the threat we face, let alone confront it and ultimately overcome it.”

              It’s certainly an arguable point. The same might be asked regarding Hitler’s rise in Germany. But often it is the indoctrinated young people who actually carry out the terrorist acts on behalf of older leaders.

            • Robert Eckert

              The Corbynites are also infantilizing the older leaders, who in their view are not deciding to order killings of their own free will, but are helplessly responding to western imperialism.

            • Mockingbird

              I think it is a very complicated issue and ultimately I want the human rights of the Israelis AND Palestinians to be equally valid and equally protected.

              I think social psychology, neuroscience and a number of fields have useful information but no matter how you slice it everyone should enjoy fair and equal treatment.

            • Mockingbird

              If this is one hundred percent accurate he should be honest and face the criticism he will get.

            • Mockingbird

              Incidentally I think many on the left from Democrats to socialists and communists are strongly influenced by Noam Chomsky whose ideology is too black and white ultimately but disguised as science. And well hidden by rhetoric and mixing some true or partly true information with his ideology.

              That creates extreme bias.

          • Mockingbird

            I wish you had been there, but you can’t win them all. Thanks.

    • One Human

      Indeed.
      I also love how they never consider that the U.S. spends more annually on defense than the next seven leading countries, or the vast amounts of corporate welfare given to the largest profit makers. Or the fact that a person can earn unlimited amounts from capital gains, often never doing any actual work, without paying any substantial taxes, while those that work 2000+ hours a year are subjected to increased taxes for overtime, back pay, or small bonuses.

      • Mockingbird

        You have good points. I mainly want your opinion on if I was justified in my response or do you think the person is not racist. It caused a lot of conflict and I would appreciate other perspectives.

        • One Human

          That sad fact is, they may actually believe they are not racist, though it’s pretty obvious they are.

          • Mockingbird

            Thanks, I got threatened with a ban for saying they were racist.

            • Doc M

              They don’t allow freedom of expression? Must be a Trump blog.

      • Noesis

        Capital gains are taxed at a lower rate than the top marginal earned income rate but except in a very, very few cases, people who have capital gains also have earned income. And it is NOT true that capital gains income requires “no work.” That is silly nonsense.

        Did Bill Gates do “no work” when he founded and built Microsoft? Almost all of his wealth comes from capital gains on the stock he owns from being a co-founder of that company.

        In fact, well more than half of the Forbes richest 400 people made their fortune from relatively humble beginnings in one lifetime from founding and running companies. Great wealth that is inherited in multi-generation fashion is actually an outlier in the US. It is not the norm at all.

        There is so much extremely popular but utterly false nonsense floating around about US taxes, tax rates, who pays the highest rates, etc. that unless the actual objective data is reviewed it is impossible to have a factually informed opinion.

        The actual truth (as backed by easily found IRS data) is that the top 1% of American taxpayers pay 38% of ALL personal income taxes, while earning 22% of income. That is the actual data.

        The top 1% also pay the highest effective tax rate of any group in the US, whether the money is earned income, capital gains or a mix. That is also an objective fact, also easily checked from IRS data.

        It is also true that that the top 50% of taxpayers pay 97% of ALL personal income taxes in the US…while the bottom 50% of taxpayers pay only 3% of the total. Thus tax rates in US are about as progressive as could be and in fact if “fairness” was really the issue, taxes would be lowered, not raised, for the top 10%

        But fairness is not the issue and never has been. The real issue is there is always an unlimited market for “free stuff” from governments There is a currently popular fad in all political parties for providing “free stuff” from governments to various constituencies and pretending that nobody ever has to pay for that stuff. The fact is that 10% of taxpayers pay for 70% of the “free stuff” and without those “evil” 10% there would be practically no “free stuff” for politicians to give away in their endless pandering for votes.

        Completely different than the deliberately false urban myths about taxes and who pays what, the data is the data. For those that care to look, below is the most recent IRS data available (covering tax year 2012.)

        It may be unpopular to say, but it is factually true that there are more people in the US receiving some form of INCOME from the US government than there are people PAYING taxes (which makes that government provided income possible.)

        An unlimited market for “free stuff” is the perfect storm for politicians of all persuasions to pander to the people who want that “free stuff.”

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      IMO, yes–the statements made were [very thinly (so thin as to be diaphanous) veiled racism racist].[ETA: Sod that, I just re-read it… it wasn’t veiled at all.]

      • Mockingbird

        So I am not the only one. Thank you.

    • chukicita

      I can see a great deal of racism, coded and uncoded, in these quotes (don’t forget basketball courts). Sadly, the people who wrote them first probably won’t be able to see it at all.

      It’s not just racism, though – but the demonization of poverty, and especially tying it to violence. Friends who work closely with the world of domestic violence say this is a serious misconception. Domestic violence knows no economics, and occurs in households of ALL incomes.

      The whole ‘welfare queen’ concept and its related stereotypes are offspring of the Moynihan report. The report continues to influence public policy, and I think there is a real correlation between the distance of those making the policy from the economic conditions that they demonize, and the strength of their conviction.

      There is an interesting book about the impact of this report on social policy and perception 50 years after its release called “Blaming the Poor” by Dr. Susan Greenbaum.

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        ^^^^ *Whoops and cheers from the European wing of The Bunker*

      • Mockingbird

        Boy, I wish we had a separate online group to just discuss these issues. I am interested in this information but don’t want to hijack the Bunker away from Tony Ortega as my personal soapbox.

        • villagedianne

          Often there is a connection to Scientology. Systems of control and exploitation have similarities to each other. Scientology is big on such tactics as censorship, information control, and victim-blaming.

          • Mockingbird

            That is the frustrating thing. These people are mostly ex Scientologists who should know better.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I’d forgotten all about that report! That really goes back a ways. Yes, I’ve seen the attitude time and again in a hundred different disguises. I do believe that is why it’s been a complete shock to those of us white middle class Americans now that we’ve all been plunged into the new world economic class. I see there is a struggle what label to slap on it – lower middle class, working middle class, and others.

        Personally, I just call it “we’re all fucked now” class. 🙂

        • Mockingbird

          Ha ha. I like that. I have heard recently that white men who used to get good manufacturing jobs now are disgusted that they are working at Wal-Mart and making nine dollars an hour, and many blame minorities and immigrants. But minorities aren’t getting the billions and trillions in profits. It is the owners and CEO class of capitalists.

          They will keep making laws, buying politicians and keeping all the money as long as they can.

        • villagedianne

          Conspiracy theorists have been saying it for years but you don’t have to be a conspiracy type to see it. The trend is to reduce all of us to the economic model of third world countries. A tiny, powerful super-wealthy elite at the top. A tiny middle class to keep the gears moving. The rest of us trying to survive day by day, too busy, too harried and too dumbed down to mount any meaningful protest.

    • villagedianne

      “He is the identical ultra left Democrat as those of the 1960s and 1970s that had glorious-sounding theories about how to fix the problem of poverty, crime and illiteracy.”

      Yes, there are the truly needy and there are those who game the system, and they come in all colors. I agree with chukicita that there is a lot of coded language to indicate race.

      But the other thing that struck me about the above quoted statement is that the politicians of the 1960’s and 1970’s the same ones who brought us the Vietnam War. Lyndon Johnson who introduced the War on Poverty was also responsible for escalating the war in Vietnam. I’m not a libertarian, but I agree with Ron Paul when he in effect says that if we stop being the cops of the world we would be so much better able to take care of our own here at home.

      • Mockingbird

        Well, on military action I am so far to the left I generally don’t even bring it up. I say we need to value all people equally. Iraqis and Afghanis and Palestinians are worth the same as Americans. With that starting point our wars are not justified nor our torture and assassination programs. And I completely object to the NDAA regarding violating the constitution.

  • Sherbet

    I see from the photos that Annie Hall upped her status and got a bouquet of flowers in return.

  • Victoria Pandora

    I think she is walking KNEE DEEP on thin ice by evening mentioning the internetz.
    How many attendees went home with their Google fingers at the ready that night?

    And I wonder what is the status of the net nanny program? Are they getting it onto their loyal followers computers 47X more?

  • The Valley Org designs look interesting. The opening of an ideal org is supposed to bring a ‘massive expansion’ in membership. Since the central practice of Scientology (auditing) requires lots of private rooms, you would expect the CofS to buy a building that was already subdivided (e.g. a hotel, which they have done where I live).

    Instead, they buy a redundant Church building which is mostly one space (with a very high ceiling) and say that they plan to ‘restore it without supstantial alteration.

    This kind of space is useless for auditing. but well-suited for putting peer pressure on members to donate more than they can afford – a practice which is celebrated in the rest of the flier. Perhaps this is another sign of the leadership abandoning Scientology practice in favour of selling ‘status’.

  • I can’t image that the CoS is all that happy with the SERPs when you search for “scientology”.

  • Supper Powers
  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Bandy Harrison’s talk makes me want to hear from an OSA vet this question:

    1) Did someone in OSA right her scripted talk? It sounds like something the top wordsmiths in OSA Int write. who wrote it? Is is excerpted from Miscavige’s talks, it sounds less twisty hyperbolic than typical Miscavige’s speeches. My guess is one of the top OSA wordsmiths did it or was the editor sidechecking it.

    I hope this speech gets picked up and dissected by major media. There’s a whole history to Scientology’s misuse of words of their achievements, this isn’t new news for Scientology to overstretch the truth of their achievements and so forth.

    This is such good raw evidence of how Scientology blinds their own members about their impact.

    I could imagine if Heber Jentzch were around, he’d also make hay with that raw material Brandy is spouting.

    Boy, this is new generation Scientology, just like the old retired generation Scientology.

    • chukicita

      She didn’t write it, that’s for sure. She could barely read it.

  • Sherbet

    Does it occur to DM that, as grand religious poobah, he really should try to pretend it’s all about the newly-Cleared thetans, and not admit it’s really about the donations? It’s all here in black and white and turquoise. Money is the name of the game, and cos doesn’t even try to mask that fact.

  • Semper Phi

    Just a few thoughts on this. First, all the way through, I kept thinking, “provable bullshit, provable bullshit…”

    Second, I’m certain that the “73X increase” in Dianetics auditing since the release of the introductory service routes was entirely due to the fact that it happened at the same time as the big Nation of Islam Dianetics indoctrination. Our course room was indeed packed, and there was tons of auditing going on, but it was almost entirely due to the NOI people being pushed through their courses so they could then go back to their own organizations and deliver auditing and training there. Once they finished their courses, very few of them kept going in our course room, and our Dianetics auditing hours statistic collapsed.

    Third, isn’t it cute that they think that all those people going from the Google front page to their website were making a sincere reach for scientology, rather than demonstrating the inevitable WTF reaction from almost everyone who watched the video. I’m sure that most of those people kept looking at the site in the same way that people can’t look away from a car crash.

    Also, I find it awful but unsurprising that they brought 42 “recent status upgrades” onto the stage to thank them. Not people, not donors, not wonderful humanitarians saving this sector of the universe, but status upgrades. Ugh.

    And finally, listening to this really brought back memories of listening to speeches like this, wanting so much for all the good news to be true. I was aware that scientology was not well thought of, and hearing that people liked us (they really liked us!) was like water in the desert to me. I could just picture all the people in that room listening to all the provable bullshit and desperately drinking it up like they had just stumbled into an oasis.

  • flyonthewall

    LOL!! At the 15:20 mark she talks about the Dianetics commercials from the 80’s! “Do you remember those Dianetics commercials on TV? Well the guy that put those together, Jefferson Hawkins, a 20yr veteran of the Sea Org, was mindfucked and abused until he couldn’t take it anymore and blew but not before COB totally dismantled and scuttled the most successful promotional campaign in Scientology history!” *hysterical applause*

    ” Yes, you heard me correctly, COB himself sabotaged all of Jeff’s hard work and personally sunk one of the biggest drivers of traffic to the Orgs of all time!” *seals barking and clapping fins” It is worth noting that after Jeff blew he become one of the most effective critics of his time, publishing a wildly popular blog, numerous books and even spoke with many journalists, investigating the crimes of COB.”

    That’s how it played in my mind anyway

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      i love that dream. And then … the video starts with the ants crawling around in the Hole. Oops

  • Fred G. Haseney

    AUDIO: Hear Scientology boast about the $5.7 million it got from Google in free ads

    It’s hard to believe that such bloated “accomplishments” by Scientology would be relegated to Building Contracted Undirected and Introverted Brandy Harrison. Normally, such crap would be announced at a big event, such as New Years Eve, Maiden Voyage or Auditors Day. But, instead, Scientology proudly beats its collective chest at an event held in a building that’s been empty for years.

    Before I escaped from Scientology (1977-2014), I used to work as the Office Manager for Certified Swimming Pools, in Burbank, California. Mike Shaw, an Oat Tee VII and his wife, Kari, owned CSP. Thank you, Tony Ortega, for providing us with the flier that Scientology sent out after that event (“Valley Autumn Gala”). When Mike would go to Flag in Clearwater, Florida, for his 6-month check, he’d have to check in often with me at the office. I can’t tell you how many times Mike made me wrong and said hateful and nasty things to me over the phone because he knew that nobody else would be listening. When not at Flag being hounded for more money and auditing hours, Mike regularly exploded fiercely at almost anything that moved (including me), all of which I chalk up to his frustration at “saving mankind” and “clearing the planet.”

    I’ve captured and posted here a segment from that flier because it shows Kari, Mike’s wife. Mike owned CSP; Kari, its President. For two years, Mike, Kari and I worked closely together, since the rest of CSP’s employees were out in the field, building pools, spas, etc. Mike is very good at what he does; he’s personable and knows well how to build (and inspect) a pool. CSP is good at what they do, I can’t deny that. I’m sure Mike is a very nice person, but he’s not the first Oat Tee VII I’ve met (or have heard about) who angers easily at the world around them. As a side note, never, ever, pronounce Kari’s name as “KA-ree,” or “Carrie,” because she will always (ALWAYS) correct you by saying, “It’s not pronounced ‘KA-ree,” it’s “CAH-ree.”

    • 0tessa

      So, after OT VIII you have to do an Anger Management Course in the real world!
      It’s not the first time that I hear of OT’s with anger problems.

      • Ben Franklin

        I would imagine you just yell at an ashtray until you calm down.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          … That’ll be $2,500/minute for Tone 40 wear and tear of ashtray! 🙂

          • Ben Franklin

            In Scientology everything is monetized, including running around a pole

        • Fred G. Haseney

          One day, Mike and Kari arrived at the office. As Kari walked in the front door, all cool and collected, Mike, meanwhile, could be heard screaming at the poor soul (a complete stranger) who he had found parked in his usual parking space. Kari did roll her eyes, but that’s all she did about her husband’s most child-like behavior.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        I also worked for the late Mike Lee who owned Management Success, another Scientology Front Group. Mike and I attended a weekly promotional meeting; I can’t tell you how many times Mike went into a rage and at the drop of a hat. His face would go beet red and I swear I could the steam billowing from his ears. I don’t know what Oat Tee Level Mike may have been on, but I do know that his poor heart couldn’t stand the stress of being overweight and a Scientologist.

        • Ben Franklin

          No wonder many die hard Scientologists don’t see anything wrong with Miscavige’s violence towards others.

          • Fred G. Haseney

            Thanks for that, Ben Franklin. Your statement just proved the value behind posting experiences in Scientology such as mine. Without your keen observation, I would never have connected that anger, the rage in my former employers with Scientology’s overall “approval” of the violence apparently perpetrated by David “Let Him Die” Miscavige, Leader of Scientology.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Most never ever hear a disparaging word of dear leader.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          FRed, they are all like that. Hubbard Management Tech, in reality, is “Scream at the top of your lungs at anything that moves the moment you realize Hubbard’s crap is crap”

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            If it’s not a tone 40 SRA, it’s not management…

  • Mockingbird

    Okay, finished the audio. A few things jump out: the 47 X stat for Scientology. It doesn’t say WHAT that stat is. Is it feet of empty ideal org space ? With staff sitting idly and wishing someone would walk in besides the same public they have had for twenty plus years ? And their kids ?

    She said they have forty ideal orgs now. Okay, if there are at best forty thousand or fewer Scientologists left and you take five thousand for the Sea Org and at least three thousand or so for Class V staff and put say two or three thousand in the LA and PAC area, then another few hundred or a thousand at Flag how many are left to spread between all the ideal orgs AND the rest of the orgs, missions and field !?

    It seems like you have twenty or twenty five thousand Scientologists max left for the remaining world. If you divide that by the remaining hundred ideal orgs she claimed are planned that gives each org maybe two hundred to two hundred fifty people for staff and public to service ! Not a lot of room for growth.

    The more I hear this parade of numbers and compare it to the best info Tony Ortega and Mike Rinder give us the more I think the ideal org strategy is for raising money, fooling some outsiders, fooling whales to keep their money coming and internal PR to fool the remaining Sea Org members and staff.

    Miscavige knows Scientology is shrinking and is just doing delaying tactics to hide it, not truly counter it. If he really wanted growth he could simply do the Jefferson Hawkins Dianetics campaigns again. Even run the old commercials and bring back Div six, but he won’t because he doesn’t really want Scientology to grow. He’s not a Scientologist, he’s a conman, like Hubbard before him.

  • madame duran

    Keep in mind, people…the Valley Ideal Org is the same dilapidated, unkempt building we saw pictured in Douglas D. Douglas’ (D3) photo posts. Overgrown weeds, litter everywhere, graffiti tags on exterior walls, framed pictures of “humanitarians” that once hung inside are now taken down, chain fence locked, building empty, a pit stop for homeless people…in a word: gross. Don’t have time to post a link to one of D3’s updates but I’ll let someone else do it (I’m typing during work breaks!).

    EDIT TO ADD: Here is the link to D3’s photo set of the Valley Ideal Org site from 2 months ago. https://disqus.com/home/discussion/theundergrondbunker/saturday_48/#comment-2359803559

    • Bleuler

      Her Royal Governess must be so proud of her donations!

    • Ben Franklin

      are they past the design stage yet, or are they now raising money to begin construction?

      • Missionary Kid

        They’re probably raising money to raise money to begin construction.

    • ReallyMGM

      The architect renderings are pretty. DDD’s photos are the real thing. Pee in the dark corners where the vagrants sleep. Ewww. #clorox

      ETA: I know the pee thing is disgusting but they plan on having child care at this place. I really thing those stains look like urine stains from the nightly residents.

  • Narapoid

    OSA, this stuff is flying out the door wholesale now. No one is coming to Flag. OTVIIIs are supposed to retread the Student Hat. (WTF??!!) OTVIIIs have been declared (WTF??!!!) And tons of former members post here and at other sites. I don’t care if you break the trance or not. It won’t matter. The doors are blowing off the hinges and your power to suppress parishioners dwindles by the day.

    When you are in the Hole next to Jenny Linson, You will know the end is nigh. Likely, you will be relieved knowing you did all you could. You tried to save mankind and the universe. Take a real step and blow. f5

    • Ben Franklin

      When your resources are non-renewable, you have to recycle the garbage. There is no other way out. Nature wins all the time.

  • Joe

    Has anyone heard Google’s two cents on this? I’m sure they give free advertising to many tax-exempt organizations, but I feel like it would be bad PR for them to be (or even perceived to be) preferring one “religion” over another in terms of the grants, particularly with the bad press and scrutiny Scientology’s come under recently. I would not be surprised in the least if $5.7M was a gross exaggeration from the Sea Org Girl Scout Troop Leader, but if they received any kind of substantial grant above the normal threshold, I would be disappointed.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Didn’t they check their own damn listings before making these offers? Didn’t someone bother to enter the names of the organisations they were about to support with free advertising into their own vaunted search engine to check? (heavily edited for full rant)

    • Ben Franklin

      Google gives free advertising in the amount of $10,000 per month to non-profit organizations that qualify for the grant. It is not some special gift only to the Church of Scientology. Any non-profit organization can apply for the Google Ad Grants. I was also curious as to why Scientology got $5.7 million in grants, but after watching the video clip, it is clear that each Ideal Org applied for the grant separately. $5.7 million is, therefore, the total grant to Scientology when you combine all the grants awarded to all it’s entities that applied for the free advertising grant from Google.

      The biggest mistake in google’s part, in my opinion, is not following up to verify how their advertisement grant is being used by CoS.

      • villagedianne

        “The biggest mistake in google’s part, in my opinion, is not following up to verify how their advertisement grant is being used by CoS.”

        Maybe all that’s needed for Google is to be a tax-exempt organization. Another reason why the tax exempt status of COS should change.

        • Ben Franklin

          You would be surprised to know that Google actually avoids paying much in taxes by registering their corporate entities in offshore tax havens like the Cayman Islands. Google and Apple are both notorious for hiding their money from taxes.

          See: http://www.newsweek.com/2014/12/26/how-google-and-apple-make-their-taxes-disappear-291571.html

          • Joe

            They both have avoided paying billions in taxes also by setting up in Ireland and taking advantage of the tax laws there.

      • Joe

        How many ideal orgs are there? If they receive $10,000 per month and they claim $5.7 million in grants (assuming this was in the past year) they would need at least 47 ideal orgs. Google should have done their homework.

        What I don’t understand is why people defer to Scientology as a “religion” just because the IRS capitulated and gave them tax-exempt status. The IRS isn’t empowered to declare what is a religion and what isn’t (really, constitutionally no one is).

        -shakes fist at sun-

        • Ben Franklin

          “they would need at least 47 ideal orgs” – and there is the 47X expansion that we have all heard about. I think they probably had a list of all Ideal Org Projects

  • Mockingbird

    She brought up the TV studio and I think we can give her great shows like This Week on Meet The RPF, and Disconnection: Building Strong Families, Scientology Family Values – Forced Abortions Edition, If He Dies He Dies, Standard Tech – The Lisa McPherson Story, Brainwashing 101 The Truth Rundown, and my favorite Celebrity RPF.

    On this innovative reality show see Bob Duggan, Kirstie Alley, Jenna Elfman, Danny Masterson, Grant Cardone, John Travolta and Tom Cruise participate in authentic Scientology experiences. They sign away all their rights to Scientology and in the fine print give up all their human rights permanently.

    They then get the big surprise of thirty hours on three off heavy labor ! Authentic RPF diet ! Running program ! Musical Chairs ! Compete to stay out of the chain locker ! Try to win immunity to avoid overboarding and ecclesiastical beatings ! Daily group confessions where you are called a lesbo, Miscavige style !

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      I’d buy that for a dollar!

    • villagedianne

      “On this innovative reality show see Bob Duggan, Kirstie Alley, Jenna Elfman, Danny Masterson, Grant Cardone, John Travolta and Tom Cruise participate in authentic Scientology experiences. They sign away all their rights to Scientology and in the fine print give up all their human rights permanently.”

      Unlike other reality shows featuring physical endurance, in this one the winners will be the ones voted off the show.

      Like the old joke about the Soviet game show. First prize, one week in Siberia. Second prize, two weeks in Siberia.

      • Mockingbird

        The twist at the end is they didn’t read the fine print in their “standard releases” and have given Miscavige power of attorney and he has seized all their assets, for ecclesiastical purposes. They will NEVER get released from the RPF, alive.

      • JanInThePan

        Is the elimination process a game of musical chairs?

    • I made up a broadcasting sneak peak for KCET over a year ago http://misstia.com/KCET.html

      • Mockingbird

        That is terrific. I hope new shows, specials and miniseries get added. Very good work.

    • jane456

      Hey what about the radio shows….you know those are going to be something special 😉

      I just have a hard time imaging what they might be. Playing recordings of dear leader around the clock? Maybe some entertainment from their in-house talent (?)……I am guessing it will be something like the old soviet union “media”. If it ever happens at all. Looks like this is all fund raising bullshit and little davey will drag this on for as long as he can milk it for cash.

      • Robert Eckert

        Say what you will about North Korea, they know how to put on a spectacle:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrQ0bJpx7D4

        • Sherbet

          I’m surprised Kim Jong Un hasn’t issued a statement claiming he did all the choreography. And made the costumes.

      • Mockingbird

        I think it will produce either nothing or very, very little product.

  • Doc M

    Just listened to Brandy. Incredible how they can lie, however I guess it’s ok when you are only speaking to those already indoctrinated.

    The fact is that the numbers she uses just don’t even come close to making sense.

    I think the thing about Scientologists that scares me the most is that glazed over look in their eyes. They are certainly programmed robots. Like something out of “Night of the Living Dead”

    • Doc M

      Or worse “Dr. Tong’s 3D house of Stewardesses”

  • villagedianne

    There were a lot of surprises in the speech. The IRS agent’s dissemination, the 47 times expansion, the sad gullibility of the Minnesota Police Chief. But I guess the one I’ll pick was at the end. Brandy said this fundraiser has a beginning, a middle and an end, “unlike other Scientology fundraising activities.”

    I am reminded of the rueful statements about their credit and debt made by Scientologists I worked around in the 1980’s. And back then they were only paying for services. I never thought I would see an acknowledgement, much less a joking one, of never-ending Scientology fundraising, in an official speech.

    The other thing that struck me in the the speech is more impressionistic. She sounds so young. Her almost childlike delivery describing the wonders of expansion made me feel like you have to be very very young to have that kind of enthusiasm for Scientology.

  • Braveheart

    I found listening to the speech so painful I muted the sound and just read the transcript. What I found especially cringe-worthy was the way the attendees swallowed the BS stats, oooh’d and ahhh’d and clapped away like seals. Sadly, I was one myself at a point – but this started wearing thin years ago when it was clear the outright lies we were being fed were not observable in the real world. When I got out and started speaking to others, I found it commonplace that people thought it was only their org that was battling – and this is thanks to people like Brandy & other Int Management reps willingly & knowingly forwarding DM’s lies when they KNOW it’s not true. Everyone in a senior position in the SO carries the burden of guilt just as much as DM does.

    • Amy Forsythe

      The oohing and ahhhing is extremely painful and the lack of integrity of those doing it. They know they’re doing it, the question is will they have enough balls to stop doing it.

    • Susan black

      I find it hard to blame all those in senior positions for spreading dm’s con. Probably most are sincere in their lying for the greater good of the cherch, at least in the beginning. Others are just afraid. I see them as victims.

      on the other hand, there must be at least a few narcissists/psychopaths among the bunch. Those who recognized the con early on and then worked it themselves to reach power positions. Just like dm saw dollar signs years ago when he conned his way to the top. They scare me, whoever they are.

      • Braveheart

        I was on staff in a Class V org and, trust me, you KNOW you are duping people. Unless you have a two-digit IQ, you are fully aware of the con. The higher up the food chain the worse it is, and there comes a time when you’re no longer a victim but a willing accomplice.

      • Jenny Daniels

        At least a few? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • jane456

    Someone should do an explainer on Scientology math. Or as I like to think of it, alternate reality math. They do have multipliers that they really seem to like and the cheering for the numbers that don’t mean anything….it would be a good bit on some comedy show.

    There is a trick that you can do with bar graphs by changing the increments to make a given result more dramatic. This is sort of like that but with 47 times more bullshit.

    • Missionary Kid

      $cientology math = no math at all.

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        … or maybe, with their irrational statistics, they have something to teach string theorists…(sorry–I’ll stop being flippant, I just couldn’t help myself with that one 🙂 )

        • Doc M

          When I took my statistics and probability courses. it was always emphasized that stats and prob can be manipulated to the needs of the person doing them.

          When you see an advertising sign: 40% off, stop to think what this means, it really has no meaning.

          47 times what?

          Scientologists are good at this, however so are so many corporations, governmental agencies. Its creative math.

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            Ugh, the statistics for gaseous reaction dynamics made my brain want to crawl outside through my ears, but I know what you mean… seeing those face cream adverts that boast of ‘89% of women agreed!…’ then you see that the sample space is only 72… so how is that remotely applicable to the outside world in general? They’d be better off (literally) with a tub of the cheap stuff, because all that’s happening is nearly dead cells are having a slightly higher osmotic pressure applied topically (and with very limited results). The dirty tricks played by advertising pissed me off so much, I now only watch shows with ‘lifestyle choices’ if I’ve pvr’d them first, so I can fast forward through all that pernicious nonsense!

        • Missionary Kid

          All of their statistics are based on the square root of minus one.

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            i, they are indeed 🙂

  • DeFactYo

    And even with this $6m in free advertising….HAS IT WORKED?? Uh, no. FAIL

    • Sherbet

      Yes, but it’s a pretty, shiny stat — not necessarily a true one — and that’s all that counts.

      • ze moo

        It’s not a stat unless you claim it and publicize it. Self promotion at its best.

  • Mockingbird

    Regarding the Valley Ideal Org, how much fucking money have they already raised !!? I have heard about this fucking project for so long and so much it feels like Nancy Cartwright has personally donated six to ten million dollars and they have raised twenty million dollars already !! Is this building going to be solid gold ! WTF !

    • Amy Forsythe

      But, but….Davey needs more. The fate of every man, woman and child depends on it.

      • Ruthless psychs, Thetans shivering in the darkness, next trillion years and so forth . . .

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      The double glazing is going to be made from a single crystal of diamond coated with a few angstroms thickness of ruthenium as a tint!ETA: mounted in titanium frames with solid gold chasings and fittings…ETA2: … the reception desk is to be made from mature jungle teak, and the floor is to have as many rare or endangered hardwoods as physically possible… all the displays are to be Bang and Olufsen and cost at least $25,000 each…

      • Missionary Kid

        It’s all shielded in unobtanium.

    • Ben Franklin

      That’s a good question. Does anyone even check to find out how much money has been raised and spent so far?

      • Mockingbird

        I swear I have seen so many promos boasting about Nancy Cartwright donating a half million or million additional dollars that she must be over six to ten million in donations personally ! And plenty of other whales have been donating to this scam forever !

        • Ben Franklin

          Every time, the message is always that: “we are almost there”. Only small amount left to go over the hump. This goes on year after year.

          • Mockingbird

            I wish someone would give the total. It must be over ten million dollars by now.

  • Asillem4

    Whoa! Scientology is now a FULLY AUTHORIZED ENTITY ON TWITTER?????
    That’s like impossible. Well, nearly impossible. I mean, I’ve been on Twitter for years and never even heard of it.
    How freaking miraculous that COS gets to be a *from now on referred to as* FAET!

    ***EDIT*** FAE Twit

    • Amy Forsythe

      I know. What the hell does that mean????? FULLY AUTHORIZED ENTITY.

      That is hilarious!

      • Sherbet

        I’m a fully-authorized Bunkeroo with 104,375 upvotes. Do I get a prize?

        • Beth

          will undying gratitude and appreciation do?

          • Sherbet

            What? No certificate? No speeches about my fully-authorized beingness? You’re no Brandy Harrison, Beth!

        • Amy Forsythe

          I hereby dub thee Sherbet from this day forward a FULLY AUTHORIZED ENTITY.

          Here is your trophy, congratulations!

          • Sherbet

            Holy smokes! I’m just overcome with gratitude, Amy. Of course, I thought the day my Mom gave birth to me was full authorization of my entity.

            • Amy Forsythe

              The FULLY AUTHORIZED ENTITY RUNDOWN will be released as soon as there are enough FULLY AUTHORIZED ENTITIES.

            • Sherbet

              😀

    • Ben Franklin

      Maybe they want their members to think that it is extremely difficult to get a twitter account.

    • Acherontia

      I think it means they got validated?

      ETA: I think I’ve visited their page once before, so I have no idea if they were validated previously. Just my guess.

      • Chee Chalker

        There goes my idea for my new Twitter handle…….@theREALscientology

      • Amy Forsythe

        I think it means they’re full of shit.

    • Beth

      I guess in the globosphere of Dan Sherman, verified = “fully authorized entity”. Dopes.
      Pretty obvious this speech was designed to make scientology sound hip technology-wise. And of course it ends up sounding like a prisoner with a day pass is talking to the residents of a nursing home.

    • chukicita

      As opposed to those half-authorized entities.

    • BabySmurfette

      Slight OT but one of our favorite twitter nut jobs, WestgarthENT, was lamenting in a post a while back that he lobbied for the blue check mark but was twitter-denied. I guess he thinks he’s big stuff but a look at his website makes me think he’s in a time warp to the early days of the internet.

  • MereCatWatcher

    The IRS mention that somehow a list of all the scn charities was disseminated raised my eyebrows. Also the Amazon charities list. I recognized the Jeff Hawkins ad campaign which was scuttled by DM was recognized as the best until this current grand made up expansion. Also bragging about the not just empty, but decrepit valley org that we have been following through DDD. Then Fred regularly takes us on tours of all the ideal LA orgs which need to be cited for littering…. Upsetting to hear all the bragging, but then I remind myself that it is really mostly made up. I do think that Google of which you tube is part, needs to see the error of their ways. But we have had reports on where most of those clicks come from — paid for in India and other click farm countries.

  • Asillem4

    I’m waiting for each individual she mentioned (including the Big 4; Yahoo, Google, Twitter & YouTube) to step out and call her on the bullshit she spewed. Not that it will help anyone inside COS, but because it will be great reading.

  • AmoVolare

    OT:
    To day on my FB page:
    “The smartest enemy is not the one that takes away all you have, but the one that make you used to have nothing” (hope the translation makes sense…)
    My elaboration: the non smartest enemy is the COS towards public, the smartest it COS toward staff or SO members…

    • Sherbet

      How about changing “have” to “having”? I think that makes it clearer. And a perfect description of scientology.

      (And change “make” to “makes.”)

      Nice quote, Amo.

    • Doc M

      Or the smart enemy takes away all that you have and you’re grateful and actually thank them.

  • Doc M

    So much nit picking over every Scientology announcement, post etc. Lets summarize.

    1 Hubbard was not stupid, he created an intricate money making organization which made him wealthy.
    2 Scientology stoops to despicable ways of trying to shut up their critics.
    3 DM took over and continued the process and changed it for his own goals
    4 Scientology is responsible for untold harm (including death) to people, families, children and others.
    5 Scientology is very good at brainwashing its members.
    6 Scientology is slowly destroying itself, though the process is speeding up due to stupidity.

    Anything else?

  • richelieu jr

    “Over 139 Individual donations”!

    So, like.. I’m gonna guess 140 and not, say 179,768,243…

    So typical of Scilon-speak, this constant used-car salesman level of hard sell/shoddy showmanship, the bizarrely speciifc stats, yet with modifiers that make no sense in context.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Yeah, the weird specificity of the stats amuses and puzzles me. “No less than 42” status upgrades! OK…And this number is significant…how? Do they not teach rounding in the course room? Obviously they don’t teach grammar, because “no less” should be “no fewer,” but hey, what’s grammar when there’s a planet to save?

      Oh scientology…I just love what you do with the maths.

  • Judith Sylvester

    There is something about these pictures of Scientologists. They all look alike to me. Wonder if Brandy Harrison will still be smiling inside like that in 15 years.

    • Sarah James

      Maybe, but with far fewer teeth.

      • Judith Sylvester

        And with no light in the eyes.

        • Sarah James

          The spacy look comes from years of letting someone else doing your thinking for you.

  • chukicita

    Here comes the backlash, right on schedule:

    https://www.rt.com/usa/328141-scientology-mass-murder-threats/

    “From what we have been told, his actions appear to have been incited by anti-Scientology propaganda,” Karin Pouw, the spokeswoman for the church told the LA Times. “This case involving an apparently unstable man who told police he was incited by anti-religious propaganda shows the dangers of bigotry and hate spread by irresponsible individuals.”

    • Sherbet

      Translation: It’s Tony’s fault somehow.

      • no, they didn’t mention the fringe of the internet….

        • Sherbet

          Yet.

    • Sarah James

      I would think Scientology would help the guy…

      • Sherbet

        Hahaha. Are you new around these parts, ma’am?

        • Sarah James

          Yes, and I know for a fact Scientology is the only one that can help cause Tom Cruise said so!!!!

    • Ben Franklin

      What I am curious to know is what is the propaganda that led the man to impersonating a police officer when he was previously arrested. Karin Pouw needs to show her face at least once in a live interview, and maybe just answer a few questions here and there from a journalist. You know, like most PR officials do as part of their job. I am so sick and tired of reading PR statements from Karin Pouw.

      • chukicita

        I sincerely hope the reason she can’t show her face isn’t because of the bruises.

    • ze moo

      New fundraising opportunity, ‘Clam Lives Matter’.

      • chukicita

        You totally owe me a keyboard.

        • ze moo

          Long ago I invested in keyboard prophylactics.. F5 safe computing is everyones duty…

      • Amy Forsythe

        That’s a good one.

      • chukicita

  • Sarah James

    Brandy, I see your future…

  • Observer

    OT but likely of significant interest to a lot of people here:

    http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2016/01/nypl-public-domain-image-archive/

    • Sherbet

      Very cool!

    • Rasha

      Thanks, Obs! This is brilliant!

    • Spackle Motion

      Disappoint. I thought it was either more kitty or Steely Dan videos.

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        Here, Monkey saw this on travels recently and thought Spackle… hopefully alleviates the dissatisfy? F5/Refresh

    • Mark

      OOOH! Straight in my bookmarks. 🙂

  • Zero Bridge! All status upgrades, all the time! No more pesky cans to hold! Just write a check!

    • Sherbet

      It’s all about the Benjamins…and larger denominations.

      • Observer

        It’s all about the Salmon P. Chases

        • Sherbet

          Wow! That would be a real feather in a reg’s cap to get one of those.

    • Sarcasmo

      Sums it all up.

  • Damn!! Someone was pounding on my door, I grab my phone and go to the upstairs landing window and there’s a police officer! He wanted to know if I was okay. Uh, yeah, dafuq?! o_O He said they had 2 911 cell phone hang up calls from Robinette and one pinged to my address, the other at the other end. I looked at my phone to see if I had somehow accidentally called 911 and nope, which I said and offered to show him. He asked who my provider was and I said ATT. He said these came from Sprint. DAFUQ?!

    • vicariousthrill

      That had to be scary.

      • A little unnerving, not scary.

    • FredEX

      They can use a ‘spoof’ line that will make the # come up as yours in the ID making it appear as if YOU made the call. ( ‘They’ as in OSA, Scilons, or anyone who knows how to do this. ) Sounds like a Scilon ploy. They like to call attention to a target person using authorities and attempting to make them seem ‘crazy’ so no one will take them seriously.

      Miss Tia, you may want to edit your post above to take out the name of your phone carrier, bc next they will use a cell thru the one you have.~Just watching your ‘6’ for you. 😉

      • Jimmy3

        As Tia tells it, they didn’t spoof her number, the call was triangulated to outside her home.

        • Yep, it pinged to my address. Another 911 call pinged to another address down the street, but I forgot to ask what house #. I’ll try to find out later from the neighbors. The only thing I can figure is that someone with a Sprint cell called 911 outside my house and then again down the street.

          • Jimmy3

            Could be entirely random. Or maybe someone really did need help. Hope it’s just a dumb kid fooling around tho.

            • I hope it was just tomfoolery too! It would be horrible to find out someone tried to get help.

          • ze moo

            I once butt dialed Mars, but I wanted Uranus.

            • Cannot imagine the roaming charges you got!

      • Oh my stars, that makes me remember the time Eddie was in the burn unit and I had kept my ringer on at night (it’s usually off, i’m not the one to wake up) as I was his ER contact and was 5 minutes away. I got a phone call at 2:30am and no name showed but the NUMBER was Children’s Hospital (they have the only burn unit in the area). I answer and they hang up. I freak out and call his floor, tell the nurse at the desk about the call I just got. She tells me she had just been in his room giving him another fentyl patch but he was fine and she looked and she saw no record of anyone calling me from there. She went back into his room and he was asleep and she even gave his BP, etc to reassure me he was fine. Got off the phone thinking, dafuq?! Go back to sleep, 4am, SAME # phones me. I answer, this is NOT Children’s Hospital, dafuq you doing? I hear a laugh, then they hang up.

        I discover in the morning that there are programs you can use to make your # appear as any # you want on caller ID. Someone who was not happy I had exposed their history of deceit and defrauding people thought they’d prank me in that manner as ‘revenge’. FUCKED UP!!!!

      • Swatting is a really stupid and dangerous prank, with appropriate penalties if caught.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting

        • VERY stupid!! Those fucks deserve to have every book thrown at them!

      • Well it’s already been there long enough to ‘be seen’. If need be, I can always log into my account and show the police my phone calls made if they needed ‘proof’. I’ve also publicly stated who my carrier is—usually bitching about them—on my blog, which is easy to find. So yes, that was good advice of yours; but it’s sort of already known info—like my home addy is all over, it’s public, I don’t care who has that.

        I have friends on the force and thanks to the neighbor across the street being a problem for years (until she was murdered) I know A LOT of officers and they know me. That’s a good thing 🙂

    • Bryce Byerley

      Better to be paranoid and proven wrong then naive and proven wrong, Ms. Tia. You are organizing a gathering of some very vocal SPs that are a constant thorn in Scientology’s side.

      Agh. I hope I am wrong.

      • I’m sure it was just someone goofing off. A clue is that there was another 911 call pinged to another address further down on Robinette. I truly hope it wasn’t someone really needing help!! I don’t like officer’s time wasted; but I’d rather have that, than someone trying to call 911 in a dire situation and being say car jacked or something—-I heard NOTHING outside prior to the police officer at my door. Of course a car could have been down here, I wouldn’t have heard that as I was in the back room. Someone could have been walking down here too.

        If they wanna mess with me cuz I’m organizing HowdyCon, then I suggest they not waste law enforcement officer’s time. They don’t appreciate that and they WILL suss out the origins and have them prosecuted. And if someone is given that assignment—I can’t imagine anyone would be, cuz why?? They wouldn’t know me and I can’t imagine HowdyCon would be viewed as a threat of any kind—they should research me, I am defiant and if someone messes with me, I do not back down, I stand up straighter!! One of the benefits (?) of an abusive childhood. 😀

  • Doc M
    • Doc M

      Ok, to claify this essay, it explains, though not specifically, why “Going Clear” might very well not win the Oscar and how the Academy generally chooses best Documentaries.

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    Poor Brandy. She’s probably a nice girl, but very deluded.

    20 minutes of clams lying/exaggerating to each other. Thats just what clams do — for the last 60 years.

    • Ben Franklin

      It is like listening to a person from another planet speak.

      • stanrogers

        That’s what they’re pretending to be. Don’t encourage them.

  • Jimmy3

    What is the difference between night shit and day shit?

    • Ben Franklin

      day and night.

      • Jimmy3

        What is the difference between 47x and 70x Scientology expansion?

        • stanrogers

          17 orders of magnitude. At least.

  • Sarcasmo

    “Mr. Irwin Miller than walked through the development path of the designs with real duplication of identity and significance of The Valley.”

    heh? Are they saying Mr. Miller has issues with scizotypia?

  • A True Prince

    Will someone kindly tell Brandy when she does get out of Scientology that it’s very much like China?

  • Sarcasmo

    I can’t get the audio to play. Probably because of my location. Have to feel sorry for Ms. Brandy. The least of her problems is that she needs to get her teeth cleaned, but I understand that the personal health and hygeine of Sea Org members has never been a concern of $cientology.

    What concerns me more is her position. Given the focus on Ideal Orgs, I’d imagine she works fairly close to DLHDM, increasing the likelihood that she’ll find herself in The Hole.

    • Takes a few seconds to load. Click on lower right corner and the YouTube icon that pops up. If you go over to YouTube it will play even if no audio here.

      • Sarcasmo

        Thanks for the suggestion. All I get is a one-eyed frowny face. I can’t even get to the ‘watch on YouTube’ option. I’ll probably just look it up directly on YouTube.

  • jazzlover

    Show of hands. Who here wants to be known as part of the “raw public”?

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Call me a wog, and I’m your monkey!

      • jazzlover

        everybody’s got somethin’ to hide except for you and I then 😉

    • ze moo

      I find that talcum power helps prevent that ‘raw’ feeling.

      • jazzlover

        TMI dude 🙂

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      If the alternative is “bodies in the shop” I will have to give it some thought.

      • jazzlover

        LOL

  • Mary Smith

    It is amazing how much China sounds like Scientology.

  • “monumental level of expansion” – Move up in Status! Blah blah. Those monkeys will do anything for a certificate, a plaque, or a trophy. It’s truly astonishing.

  • Tony Ortega

    Chris Shelton interview of Tim DeWall added to the post.

    • Jimmy3

      Great Bunker article expansion, Tony.

    • Robert Eckert

      “ChristShelton”? Not that we don’t adore him…

      • Jimmy3

        And he saith unto you, “Fuck off, Eckert.”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Chris has upped his status? Good for him.

  • CK

    How long will the “Valley Ideal Org” sustain itself before turning into a mere shell of a building like so many other orgs in recent years?

    • Jimmy3

      Sustain itself? It’s not even open yet.

      • CK

        “Sustain” in the sense that it has its grand opening and does the usual Co$ opening hullabaloo for the first few weeks or so.

        • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

          Who knows if it will ever open… ETA: It’s such an eyesore!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          There are a lot of Scientologists in the Valley, and at least one with deep pockets. If they ever get around to actually completing this Ideal Org, it will likely limp along for quite some time.

          I wonder what will happen to Pasadena. My guess is that it gets minor traffic from Valley Scientologists who want to experience the uber-Theta atmosphere of a local Ideal Org. Once they get their own (if it happens), they will no longer need to drive the Foothill Freeway to Old Pasadena.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I have to suppress (because I am SP) a laugh when I hear anyone trying to figure out scientology math. I was looking for the Hubbard quote where he explains to us all how math doesn’t really exist. If you want to get all chronological on me, he says this After he explains math is full of holes and Newton was full of bull. Don’t even ask me where the Luce cult and Rockefeller conspiracy get blamed for Hubbard’s inability to grasp math fits in to the timeline. My own pet theory of the major physical condition Hubs was born with, which I won’t bore you with again, does include as one of many odd symptoms as inability to grasp math though.

    Did stumble on this entire thread on it where you can find quote after quote. Of course, they make much more sense in context, right Pat Harney? Like if you’d studied all Phil. Doctorate Course tapes. Gahhhh. Actually, after you’ve done That particular course, your brain is so filled with holes, nothing makes sense anymore, but you can’t take That to the examiner!

    “Calculus — if you want to know — there is room there for a mathematics which is a good mathematics. And it would be the rate of co-change, or the rate of change when something else was changing, so that you could establish existing rates of change in relationship to each other, and for lack of that mathematics, nobody has been able to understand present time — you just can’t sum it up easily — or let us say, for lack of an nderstanding of what present time was, nobody could formulate that mathematics. So, actually there’s a big hole there that could be filled — a thing called calculus is trying to fill that hole, right now, and it can’t.

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?28308-Hubbard-Talks-about-Math-Physics-Neural-Science

    “A math instructor indicates on a probational report that “failed make up in analytics, failed calculus flatly. Work throughout term was weak, also failed final exam. Apparently loafing. Polite, talkative, but weak student.”

    http://tonyortega.org/2015/02/24/new-government-release-contains-a-surprise-l-ron-hubbard-flunked-out-of-high-school-too/

    http://i.imgur.com/YkEiPiJ.jpg?2

    • Observer

      Typical Lafayette. Anything he couldn’t understand he railed against, including humor. I’m not great at math myself, but that’s not math’s fault.

      • stanrogers

        Perhaps it would be simpler if we restricted the discussion to things he apparently could grasp. That would include… er… um… a little help?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Oh, I know. Wait. I’m stumped. How to run and hide from the law? How to scam? Am I getting warmer?

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            How to evade process servers and grand jury indictment?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Works for me:) Okay, for real – the only area he did well in school and later in life is storytelling. Had an Irish uncle like that. Would go on and on and sucked you right in, mesmerized the whole time. Sometimes he would ramble on for an hour before you realize he was just making it all up.

              Hubbard didn’t seem to fire on many cylinders, but he had this one talent, likely inherited from his mother’s side of the family with all the burlesque and theater and poetry and storytelling traits and his early childhood experiences.

              Hubbard knew how to drive the crowd wild. He craved the applause, knew how to get it.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              That’s very true, Hole–for all the j&d we have at LRH’s expense, he was certainly a captivating and engaging storyteller and a crowd-pleaser (with a hint of rabble rouser, maybe?).

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              It was such a different culture and society and hard life at that time. It’s not easy to relate, or translate it to current time.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              I have difficulty equating 25 years ago (at the beginning of the interwebz age) to now… different horses for different courses…ETA: Now I read it back, that sounds awfully trite, but I think I’ll let it stand 🙂

            • Observer

              Except his stories sucked. They are stupid and boring. Having a wild imagination isn’t the same thing as having a good one.

              Refresh for examples

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Personally I agree about most of his fiction works, and of course, nix the sci stuff. But I can’t deny the fact that verbally, in person, he had a way of fascinating and holding an audience’s attention. Even they knew he was a blowhole, but he was entertaining. I’ve read about this skill of his many times over and by those who worked with him and knew him socially.

              People did all kinds of weird things to entertain themselves while waiting for Cable TV and Netflix to be invented.

            • Observer

              I don’t dispute that he had a magnetic effect on some people, but having seen a couple of videos and listened to recordings, the appeal entirely escapes me. Especially with the rotten teeth. I bet you could smell his breath all the way across the room. *shudder*

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              No accounting for taste. The other sci fiction authors and friends he had all comment on what a great storyteller he was in person, even though eventually they wound up hating his guts. But that was in person. Some people talk differently when they know they are being recorded. Have to remember this was during and directly after vaudeville era, and I don’t think many people could afford dentists themselves, and they bathed so infrequently, lye was a common ingredient in soap bars then. Ewwww, not I gotta go brush my teeth and take a shower, Obs!

            • Sherbet

              I don’t know why org protesters and picketers don’t hold up signs from your Truth series. They are perfect. Ron in a nutshell, and I do mean “nut.”

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              That and the Affirmations. Makes me laugh just thinking of it.

            • BabySmurfette

              Is he saying he was on Venus and almost got run over by a train?!?!

            • Sherbet

              That’s what he said, all right.

            • Observer

              Yes

            • Sherbet

              I think BabySmurfette is exhibiting some doubt about lrh’s story.

          • stanrogers

            Oh, wait – there was that running butcher paper through a typewriter and mashing keys thing too. Pity he couldn’t produce readable copy.

            • The butcher paper is a cool story, but I wonder how well the waxed paper would take ink from a cloth ribbon? Meanwhile, rolls of ordinary paper were available.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I think the wax was on one side only – and I remember butcher paper that had no wax. But yeah, cheap flint all the way.

            • It all depends on what the butcher paper of the 1940s was like. The electric typewriter would have been using normal ribbon, nothing fancy like a later Selectric.

            • stanrogers

              Oil-based ink will stick just fine, and it’s a whole lot cheaper and easier to find.

            • grundoon

              A roll of Telex paper would work.

          • Observer

            Infidelity? Black magick?

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Bigamy? Fraudulent passing of checks?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              check, check the checks

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              check, check

        • Observer

          Hypnosis? Lying? Wife beating? Child abuse?

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            check, check, check, check. Hey, do you think the Indies will be writing all this down?

      • I completely agree.
        There are three kinds of people – those who understand mathematics and those who don’t.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          I see what you did there.

        • daisy

          Love that joke , hope to steal it soon.

          • i did – from the economist Milton Friedman, who said, “there are three kind of economists…”

    • Ben Franklin

      Hubbard was a story teller, not a critical thinker, that’s why he was never sharp in anything to do with logic or mathematics. Hubbard preferred to make up his own reality and pretend the world around him did not exist unless there was money to be made.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I don’t think preferred fits with Hubbard as I always think of his condition as a mental disorder. I don’t think he had a choice in his fantasy factory.

        • Ben Franklin

          What I meant is that Hubbard preferred fiction over reality, after all he was an author of fictional stories.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            LOL – oh see what you mean. But wait! His fiction Was reality, remember that? It’s just that it was whole track, so if you don’t remember it, it’s because of volcanoes and stuff and SP psyches!

    • Dr_Orpheus

      His difficulty with math is probably explained in part by laziness. If he couldn’t accomplice a task easily, it obviously couldn’t be very important. Based on his volume of output, writing was an activity which came naturally to him, and he enjoyed very much, especially when he had a gullible audience paying big money for it.

    • JanInThePan

      Heh.. getting off the infinity porch into the parking lot of next week..

  • MaxSpaceman

    Speaking of boasting: 2 quotes from some Scilon sales pitch for 1 of their businesses and products.

    “How much is it worth not to die at all? I’m afraid it has no price tag.”

    “We are selling actual salvage from Death itself.”

    Wonder who wrote that? selling what ? Sceintology Trivial Pursuit (which should be a thing for HowdyCon, along with Scilon Charades- what a goof ‘that’ would be!)

    • stanrogers

      I didn’t even know Death was in the salvage business. I’d like some, but I need to find a different reseller.

    • Rasha

      I don’t know if they still sell “Make-Your-Own-Opoly” sets, but I once created a whole Monopoly game based on my hometown, and gave it to my siblings as Christmas presents. This has potential for HowdyCon….. I’ll start thinking about it….

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I can’t find my original Scientopoly boards at the moment – found these at Google but they’re blurry.

        http://i.imgur.com/riZfSWI.jpg?2

        http://i.imgur.com/ynKppBY.jpg?1

        • Rasha

          Ha! I totally have to come up with something…..

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            See if they still make that do it yourself kit.

            • Rasha

              The kit I found is smaller than the classic board, fewer properties. I’ll keep looking.

      • Sherbet

        I think the HowdyCon attendees should play a version of “Mad Libs” using Bunker memes.

        • Rasha

          Like it!

      • we have a discussion page http://www.howdycon.com/Discussion.html so these conversations don’t potentially get lost, etc….

        • Sherbet

          I was thinking, as HowdyCon approaches, that most related conversations probably should switch to your discussion page. Otherwise, non-attendees may get bored with all the Cleveland plans and machinations, and also Tony’s post of the day might get derailed.

          Just a thought for the future.

          • I made the page so they could be there for ease of people finding them and also so it helps me—-I don’t always go thru the comments here and don’t have time to start that either. When the discussions start here, they can easily get ‘lost’ within other comments, then someone has to dig thru to find it. With one page, viola! Easy access! 🙂 If need be, I can always make another discussion page too! 🙂

            • Sherbet

              You seem to have everything organized extremely well.

            • TRYING to!! 🙂

          • As for the future, I suggest people start using it now. The same thing will happen—it will get lost, etc.

            • Sherbet

              Good idea. As the date approaches, I imagine there will be hundreds of posts about the event.

        • Rasha

          Cool! Thanks!

  • Kay

    I am amused by the random numbers regarding supposed expansion thrown around in the audio…..i.e. Scientology has expanded “47 times” since the Golden Age of Tech….blah blah blah.Notice that she doesn’t give actual numbers, or what these “stats” reflect. It could mean that they passed out 47 more personality test booklets on the street at one location in one day. She did give one actual number…. people “clicking on the website at a rate of 2 people per second” after seeing the “awe inspiring view” of the new Mark VIII e-meter online. LOL An “awe inspiring view” of a cheap rudimentary Made in China quasi lie detector that has less technology in it than the average coffee maker but is supposed to save humanity? Most disturbing are people in the audience oooing and ahhhing and believing everything she says.

    What makes me even sadder is that she looks, and sounds, so young. She should be out having fun with her peers, having a career, getting an education, dating, seeing the world….not pimping out propaganda for that salacious repugnant little dwarf man.

    • stanrogers

      Expanded 47 times (and contracted eight thousand, four hundred and eleventy-seven times over the same period, but we’ll leave that part out).

      • Kay

        Laugh !

      • ze moo

        Someone recently said that $cienoland is losing 1000 clams per year. That comes out to 2.7 escapees a day. 2.7exs is a nice stat…..

    • Sarah James

      Numbers don’t lie but scientology numbers do nothing but…

  • Jgg2012

    Free advertising? Why not give away copies of Miss Lovely to everyone?

    • Royce Harlow

      One would think that all those millions upon millions of scientologist that the church claims to have would make a buck or two more than 5.7 mill, through clicking and such.

      • Jgg2012

        Those people are too busy regging. btw, how were their stats this week?

  • Newiga

    I looked at Scientology’s search engine traffic in the US using a tool called Semrush. You can do so yourselves if you are interested. The service gives you a few free queries (with limited data) for free per day. While you have to take the information provided with a grain of salt, it does provide an interesting overview on how Scientology is spending some of its online advertising budget. Also a bit pressed for time at the moment due to upcoming deadlines and a 2 week holiday. 😛

    Anyways, I decided to take a look how Scientology utilises paid keywords on scientology(dot)org. (See image 1 below). Unfortunately, I cannot access the entire report because I don’t have a paid subscription (stinchy budget I have) to Semrush but the Top 10 gives some clues to what they are focusing on. Naturally, they have keywords like Scientology, Personality Test and L Ron Hubbard in their top 10. It’s a bit funny that their top paid keywords are a bit of “hot” after Going Clear was released. Also, when you conciser the other results (e.g. xenu.net) you get when you google those words.

    Their top 10 also has interesting keywords like narcissistic personality and myers briggs, which means that some thought has been given into their keyword strategy. I hesitate to say anything further as I cannot see the entire report nor can I access their entire website traffic data. If I could, I’d look e.g. if they are spending in keywords such as “marriage counseling” or other keywords that someone impressionable or desperate might type into Google when looking for help for their problems in life.

    Now remember, raking high with Google ads doesn’t necessarily mean that they are getting legitimate visits (i.e. potential fresh meat) to their website. Negative publicity is very likely to get an increase in traffic to their site (e.g. Going Clear) through both paid and organic search. You can definitely see peaks in paid traffic (See image 2 below) but what’s interesting is the growth trend in traffic cost since January 2015 (Gee, what happened in Jan 2015…).

    Also, I think you guys mind find their top 2 organic competitors interesting. 😉 (See image 3 below).

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Thanks for taking the time for the analysis–interesting reading 🙂 (pity we can’t find out where the majority of the $cn clicks are coming from… thinking India… Indonesia…)Hope the deadline isn’t too pressing, and the holiday imminent!

    • Robert Eckert

      They get linked there from “narcissistic personality”?

      • Newiga

        Well, not linked. They are paying to get their ad displayed on Google ‘s paid results when someone googles that keyword.

        • Robert Eckert

          So tht if you were, say, writing a research paper on narcissists you would quickly come across Miscavige.

    • daytoncapri

      Very interesting. as you wrote, the surge in visits may be a result of bad publicity, and not necessarily reflect a positive for them. It could be quite the opposite. http://www.ereleases.com/prfuel/biggest-pr-myth-of-all/

  • madame duran

    The new World Trade Center building (along with the 9/11 Museum and memorial park site)–which was a larger project in terms of square footage, land size, labour and building materials–was COMPLETED within seven years (actually, it was five if you minus the 2-year bureaucratic wrangling delay that occurred after construction began). The Valley Ideal Org–much smaller in comparison–cannot get beyond the design stage within the same amount of time…this despite being located in an area with the greatest concentration of Scientologists on Earth.
    Think about it.
    Scientologists…think LONG and HARD about how your donations are being spent. The money IS already there but NOTHING is being done to complete the target. This is what your “ideal” org currently looks like (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/theundergrondbunker/saturday_48/#comment-2359803559 –look at first post in the link, click “see more” to expand and view posted photos)

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And when I returned a month later, Madame, the place looked exactly the same, right down to the lone folding chair in the empty lobby.