Subscription options

Facebook

Subscribe to our e-mail list

To join our email list and get updates on new stories, send a message to newstory@tonyortega.org.

Scientology’s state of the union, 2016: Former spokesman Mike Rinder predicts ‘more pain’

JeffMike

 
A year ago, Jeffrey Augustine interviewed former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder for his predictions about Scientology’s 2015. It went so well, they’re back again this year. Jeff leads Rinder through the highlights of what happened to Scientology in the last year, with observations about what David Miscavige is likely to do in the future.

“It started an avalanche,” Rinder says about the media storm that came after Alex Gibney’s documentary Going Clear premiered, but he says Miscavige never really learns any lessons. Scientology fights back like the Black Knight in Holy Grail, he says. It doesn’t know when to stop its ineffective attacks.

Rinder describes the joy of working for David Miscavige. He describes trying to have a conversation with St. Petersburg Times reporters Joe Childs and Tom Tobin while Miscavige was trying to tell Rinder what to say, and even smacking him around during the phone call.

As for 2016, Rinder predicts “more pain” for Scientology, and he says Going Clear itself has created a “cottage industry” of media on the church, with at least three shows that he knows about in development coming this year.

Jeff and Mike cover a lot of ground, and we’re interested in hearing your thoughts on what they talk about. Let us know how you think 2016 is going to unfold for Scientology.

 

 
——————–

Professor Dave Touretzky on Reza Aslan

Our story yesterday about Reza Aslan’s upcoming CNN program on Scientology kicked up quite a response. We wanted to make sure that readers didn’t miss the really interesting comment left by Carnegie Mellon University professor Dave Touretzky, who has been studying Scientology and creating crucial web pages of information about it for many years. He’s reacting to the email that Aslan sent to Karen de la Carriere, explaining his project “Believer,” one episode of which will focus on Scientology, talking not to church members but to former members who still practice its precepts as independents. “I want to show the beauty and appeal of other religions because I honestly and truly believe these are all different paths to the same destination,” Aslan told Karen. Here’s what Touretzky said in response…

Two quick points about Reza Aslan’s project:

1. The Church of Scienotlogy can’t cooperate with Aslan because the Church doesn’t want to explain Scientology to the public. Their response when asked for an explanation has always been “read a book or sign up for a course.” In the old days they could get away with dishing out a few vague generalities (“man is a spiritual being,” “the ARC triangle”). They never even demonstrate real auditing to the public, just the stupid pinch test. But such vagueness won’t fly in an age when everyone has already heard of Xenu and body thetans. So the Church is gagged by its own prohibition against “verbal tech,” and that’s probably why Aslan has to go to the FreeZone.

2. The notion that religions offer different paths to the same ultimate understanding is probably worthy of philosophical debate, but Satanism and its Scientology offshoot are fundamental counterexamples. What conventional religions have in common is reverence for a higher power external to oneself. Remember that “Islam” means “submission.” Satanism — the Crowley kind, not the Hollywood devil-worshiping cartoon — is about attaining that power, becoming God-like. But it’s God-like in terms of asserting one’s will, not in terms of infinite compassion and wisdom. Scientology’s quest for OT Powers is just Crowley done with better props. See for yourself in their video success stories: The greatest spiritual virtue that Scientologists aspire to isn’t “wisdom” or “love” or “compassion,” it’s “certainty.” This focus on attaining power and certainty rather than on reverence for a higher power is what sets Satanism and Scientology apart from other religions. Someone should explain this to Aslan.

 
——————–

3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on January 3, 2016 at 07:00

E-mail tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback and Kindle editions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

Share Button
  • Mark

    A superb interview as always, Jeff and Mike. I particularly liked the insights into just how dimwitted Miscavige really isβ€”micromanaging because he’s actually so unsure of himself deep down insideβ€”and how he almost always manages to get hold of the wrong end of the stick. Talking of which, I wonder how Shortarse is going to respond to the idea that Scientology is now ‘Libel-proof’? (Refresh with a copy of DSM-5 ready to hand):

    • gtsix

      I can’t stop.giggling. Damn you!

    • OTD:OutTheDoor

      Definitely one of the best yet. Hands down. You should send that to Rinder.

    • On the flip-side, CoS has always felt that it had a license to libel. (I wonder which dumb-shit thought it was a good idea to repeatedly libel Casey Hill? That spectacularly blew up in their face.) Their legal machine has allowed them to outrageously libel anyone who doesn’t have the means to match them.

      Somewhere down the road, that’s no longer going to be true.

      • Mark

        Just let them make one slip in the UK…

    • J. Swift

      Brilliant cartoon Mark. COB will likely now begin selling IAS Libel Proof status to the kool aid drinkers.

      • Mark

        IAS Label 100 Proof for himself, of course.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Seeing the name “Aslan” over and over today has me in a Narnian state of mind. Lest anyone else experience any confusion about this, here is a helpful image:

    (refresh!)

    • Mark

      I see Reza more like this, “just an old cloth cat, a bit baggy and loose at the seams”:

      • MrsLurksALot

        This cat is much cuter than Reza. Just sayin.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Mycroft, down thread, posted links-

    “By all accounts, Miscavige lived in a two-story colonial on Peartree Lane in Willingboro’s ( a Leavittown in PA ) Pennypincher Park neighborhood. He played baseball and, like older brother Ronnie – whom he idolized – he also suited up for the Pennypincher Park Patriots football team.”

    (ok, sorry– it’s really “Pennypacker” above)

    • He’s pinching (as in theft) millions these days.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I miss human dog chew, Tommy “Thomas” Davis.

    • Doc M

      Maybe it’s our different countries but I thought the term was “Human dog turd”.

      In any case, you Brits have the best words i.e. wanker, nob etc.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Ha! I meant a squeaky, chewy dog bone, but I prefer your turd πŸ˜€

        • whoever

          “chew toy” πŸ˜‰

  • OTD:OutTheDoor

    Just did great reading at Jeffrey’s money project. You all should be word-clearing there too, if you are not doing so already.

  • Mockingbird

    Here’s a quote by Margaret Singer that’s relevant to Mr. Aslan’s claims:

    Distortion 5: Cult Is a Pejorative Term and Should Not Be Used to Describe “New Religious Movements”

    The term cult is merely descriptive of the power structure and the control of decision making in a group; it has nothing to do with belief systems, religious or otherwise. Further, many cults are not religious in content, but are based on psychological, political, health fad, or other themes. So why are cult supporters so concerned? The answer may be in the classic 1984.73 One of Orwell’s main themes in his novel was that if language can be controlled, anything can be controlled, including behavior; therefore, control of language can enable one to rule. Cults understand this principle well, as seen in the consistent practice by cults to redefine commonly used words and to create new ones. Their efforts to ban the term cult and relabel such groups appear to be a Madison Avenue-type attempt at image improvement.

    Distortion 6: Critics of Religious Cults Must Be Antireligious

    Once more the distinction between creed and deed is essential. The First Amendment clearly distinguishes between the protection of belief and the protection of conduct.74 Protection of belief is absolute, but conduct must follow legal rules. Thus, criticism of cultic behavior that is illegal or detrimental to the health and welfare of cult members does not attack a person’s right to believe.

    From
    http://www.icsahome.com/articles/cults-coercion-and-contumely-singer-and-addis-csj-9-2-1992

    • jane456

      Spot on, I don’t think it could be said better. A real scholar. There seem to be so few these days.

  • Asillem4

    Good grief. The Geller quote was taken from Aslan’s Twitter page.
    Holy cow. Talk about over reacting w/o researching.

  • 2016. I predict PAIN and UNCONSCIOUSNESS.
    Unconscious and oblivious to the *actuality* of what they are in.

    • The “engramic implant” of still being in. Who’s clearing who now?

    • Lot of people are going to crash hard when reality trumps the brainwashing.

      • True. They will be glad later. And they will have huge support network.

        • Best case scenario.
          Here’s to soft landings.

    • gtsix

      And for all those out: consciousness and acceptance. Happy New Year.

      For those who are UTR or still in : the way out is out. Fuck through, up, around or any other way. The shortest point between 2 destinations is a straight line. The way out is out. We’re here waiting for you.

    • Qbird

      Hello there Karen. A new poster on another thread is asking for a link to your very first podcast. I’ve been to your page in uTube, but I do not know how to sort by date. Have you a quick link that I can pass on to her? Thank you in advance.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Anyone know what this involvement with the US military is, that Grant Cardone says he has?
    (refresh)

    • Nat-leficent

      What a tool — even he knows it’s too much as he apologizes for his excesses.

      • Beth

        a tool with a spelling problem.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        He got a drone for Christmas. It will make it easier to keep an eye on Bob Duggan and his billions…
        (refresh)
        https://www.instagram.com/p/BAApD69OxDw/?taken-by=elenacardone

        • salin

          “Look – if I position it just right at the knee – it can suck clusters of BTs out super fast. I can make a mint off this baby. Wanna invest?”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Wonder if the new drone laws apply to him, in his mind anyway.

        • Missionary Kid

          He is a drone, and not the flying kind.

      • He humblebrags.

        • Nat-leficent

          ^^^^^

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ll bet it’s just some effort to infiltrate the military with some safepointing, or involvement with a veteran’s group. I’m betting that it’s a matter of self-aggrandizement on Cardouche’s part.

      We do need to be vigilant.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Do vets get money for educational purposes? Could he be trying too get at it with his so-called “University”? IDK

        • Missionary Kid

          Since it has no accreditation, he can’t get money from the military or VA. It’s as legit as Trump University was. (Which it wasn’t)

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Vocational transitioning, yes. And educational yes. Thing is, these vets are hurting just to see a damn doctor!

        • Missionary Kid

          There’s no accreditation. No money will go from the gummint.

    • Cardone Bullshit University involved with the US military through social media only, I hope.
      He either donated some booklets/motivational rubber bands and/or got a like on FB/Twitter.

      • jazzlover

        We should tie all his motivational rubber bands together and slingshot him to target 2!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist
      • Snippy_X

        omg

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Thanks, I was just wondering about that. GAH!

      • Nat-leficent

        What an unapologetic predator.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          That’ too kind!

      • Scientology – always preying on vulnerable.

        • Nat-leficent

          The gall to prey directly on unemployed veterans though! I hope the government catches up to his pyramid scams.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            And its so nice of him to mention suicide in that video. A struggling vet with PTSD really needs to get hooked up with a group that will tell them to throw away their evil psych meds. SMH

          • Doc M

            Why single them, they prey on everybody else also.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        ARGH!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          There’s 1 video only of him giving the most laughable rah rah speech to army recruits. He stated on his site the Army approached him. Doubt it. But on his vets page, he mentions vets getting vocational rehab benefits. I sure would like to know if taxpayers are paying for this garbage that is supposed to go to helping vets actually learn a vocation, not how to think real good about having a vocation. I have no doubt it was a one time thing, but there are no specifics to check out. So probably wishful thinking.

          Here’s that video, from 2010, the Only one. Listen to his rap, it is beyond lame.

          https://youtu.be/nyDn2YT4pOQ

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Does anyone know anything about American Dream U?

        http://americandreamu.org/

        https://youtu.be/nyDn2YT4pOQ

        From Feb 2015, Grand Cardone listed as a speaker

        • Qbird

          This hard sell up-tone grandiloquent pompous assbag offers up alotta [sic]
          super duper shit! Doesn’t matter how he serves it up…

          My reaction ~ https://youtu.be/H6xIz33rVUA

          so there.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Fucking what??!! Christ, the vets are already being duped by a gov-backed study on the purif. How many more ways do they need to be screwed into the ground?

        I apologize. After Malbec Glass 2, my filters come undone.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          There are zero specifics, otherwise, I’d try and find out if any government money for vets’ program or taxpayer money being used for this.

    • Snippy_X

      Was he involved in peddling the purif to Gulf War veterans? They got tax dollars for a study on it that counted up success stories. A true testament to our legislators’ scientific illiteracy.

    • Doc M

      Probably gave some money to one of the Military charities and received a form letter back. Lying and exaggeration come naturally to Scientologists.

    • salin

      I don’t know if his ‘university’ is more than just video tapes.

      *If* what he peddles involves getting GI Bill money per student aid to pay for his … ‘university’ then I know that Holly Petraeus (wife of Gen. Petraeus), would be interested. I believe she still works for the Consumer Financial Protection Agency and has a special interest in the for-profit universities like, U of Phoenix, that have heavily targeted vets for their programs in order to get their $$, often leaving the vets in debt and with no more education or skills than they started with.

      • Missionary Kid

        G.I. Bill doesn’t cover unaccredited institutions.

        • salin

          Accredidation in the for profit Us world is pretty sketchy. Form your own accrediting agency with a few other for profit schools. Place on its boards execs or Board members of the member ‘Us’, grant accredidation that no other schools recognize (so those you do graduation from your school can’t transfer credits, and can only pursue further degrees from your school because no one else recognizes it). Some states (Minnesota and maybe Wisconsin) are starting to crack down on this.

          Last time I looked at Cardone’s U link – it looked solely like videos – not pretend degrees. So he probably isn’t in on that racket. But some out fits (like ‘Fast Train’ in Florida) are even sketchier than Cardone – and were able to jump the hurdles to qualify for $$ for vocational training certificate (that no one recognize) programs.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    In 2016, I predict scores of still-ins surreptitiously reading “If He Dies, He Dies,” followed by more high-profile defections of more celebrities, whales, and OSA operatives, most of whom cooperate with renewed investigations of the chult by the IRS and FBI. Happy New Year to the “most ethical group on the planet”! Oh, and they start filming TUML movie, and Tony becomes a very wealthy man.

    Edit: Also predict Knowledge Report comes out to rave reviews, and the rest of the world is finally able to see Louis Theroux’s My Scientology Movie!

    • jazzlover

      Both Cruise and Travolta defect and beg to be cast in the movie.

    • Doc M

      I think the real believers wouldn’t read the book.

      Depending on how vindictive he is in the book, it could really create another shit storm among the media and would be great fodder for late night TV monologues.

      However, I wonder if he will tone it down. After all no matter a poorly a parent is treated by a child, there is still that parent-child bond that’s incredibly strong. We’ll have to wait and see.

      I also have to believe that the title was not his but came from the publishing agent.

      However it flies, this is one book that DM does not want published. Karin Miscavige should have some interesting press releases as the publishing date gets close.

  • Margie8

    So, Touretzky is saying Scientology is Satanism?

    • Kim O’Brien

      would that be offensive ? And if so ..would it be offensive to a satanist …or a scientologist ?

      • Nat-leficent

        Lmao

    • Nat-leficent

      He called it an “offshoot”. That could mean many different things.

    • No, scientology says it.

    • Its a fucking satanic cult. And that’s not a good thing.
      I said it.

      • Margie8

        I’m not trying to be stupid, I’m trying to learn.

        • Missionary Kid

          His previous involvement with Crowley and the OTO were satanistic. Many people see parallels in $cientology.

          • Margie8

            I’ve only read a bit about Crowley, not sure what OTO is. I know I read some in Tony’s book. I need to reread it. I have medical issues that cause memory problems…and I have too many kids 🚹🚺🚹🚹🚹🚹🚹🚹I’ll go back and read it again so I don’t sound stupid.

            • Qbird

              Stay calm sweetie. There is always so much to learn. See the link above & decide for yourself the link between LRH and fucked up lucifer-shit.
              ***this is called a rabbit hole***
              Come up for pure sweet breaths of fresh air whenever you need to.
              and you will need to.

            • Margie8

              Thank you. Shorpy’s comment got my Irish up. I didn’t think my post was deserving of a “let’s not be stupid.”
              Learning about Scn when you’ve never been in is… scary, weird and apparently never ending!

            • Missionary Kid

              I can understand it getting you upset. I took it as rude.

            • Margie8

              Thanks. I imagine sometimes people forget that not everyone is as knowledgeable about Scn as they are. I got an apology that I gladly accept.

            • Qbird

              This is all true kiddo. I myself have been slapped upside the head for not searching and doing some research before commenting. it’s okay. it really doesn’t hurt that bad. In fact it keeps you on your toes. And honesty, no matter how much it stings is preferable to being lied to, or cajoled.

            • Margie8

              Amen!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              It wasn’t deserving at all. Yes, scientology is pretty much the only black hole that exists on earth.

            • Dice

              see here: http://oto.org/

            • Margie8

              Thanks!

            • Missionary Kid

              You didn’t sound stupid, you just didn’t know. People here can point you to the information about Hubbard’s Satanic period, which was when he was in Pasadena and sharing a house with Jack Parsons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Northrup_Hollister

            • Margie8

              Thank you!

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re welcome. I had to do a lot of learning to get where I am, and there’s still a huge amount of things I don’t know.

              Even the Exes don’t know about a lot of stuff because $cientology does a lot to isolate people from the truth or past history that is different than their made-up stuff.

            • Dice

              We know more about $cientology than DM – so sad! he he

            • Margie8

              Well Holy shit! I didn’t know she was the same one who had her kid kidnapped. This is all nutty.

            • Missionary Kid

              Welcome to the rabbit hole. Truth is stranger than the fiction that $cientology puts out.

            • Margie8

              I think Nola told me about the rabbit hole and being shocked a week or so ago. I told her I didn’t get shocked anymore. I lied! 🐰

            • Kay

              You don’t sound stupid !!!! You are welcome here…all of us are learning from each other every day.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              You don’t sound stupid at all! This is a great place to ask questions and have them answered πŸ™‚

            • Margie8

              Thanks!

        • Qbird

          Have you read LuRcH’s affirmations yet, Margie8?

          • Margie8

            No, where can I find those? And thank you.

            • Qbird

              gimme a sec… brb.

              You can find them in a number of places. I did a long time ago on Gerry Armstrong’s website (sent there by a bunker buddy).

              Arnie’s pdf will do: http://www.lermanet.com/reference/Admissions.pdf

            • villagedianne

              http://www.lermanet.com/ has some great stuff. Arnie Lerma has been at it for some time.

            • Qbird

              yes yes. Shorpy too, eh?! OG.

              edited to add: It is very hard indeed to not get SUPER pissed off when the evidence is right there in front of you & it’s so fucking unbelievable & horrible that it actually makes one ashamed to be a part of the human race.

            • Missionary Kid

              Shorpy apologized.

            • Qbird

              I saw that. Good of him to do so.
              Shorpy is tough honest & fair.
              I’ve seen him around for a long time now, Kid.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oh Margie, I’d wait to thank Qbird for that one. Well, if you’re going down the Affirmations hole, bring a flashlight, tie a rope around your waist, and carry a walkie talkie. You might need it for this one!

            • Qbird

              no kidding Hole. Bury sent me there. Holeee shiiiit. Punch to the gut.
              freaked me right the fuck out.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              These are not in the “Hi there, new dupes, I mean recruits. Here’s your Introduction to Scientology Tapes #1 thru #1,344.” Nope, wasn’t on there! If only they were. No one would have joined. Okay, maybe Elfman and Cardone.

        • salin

          This is a great place to learn. The Commenters have a wealth of insight and can point to great sources (and along the way point to many rabbit holes.) Keep asking. I do.

        • Sorry.

          • Missionary Kid

            That’s class, Shorpy. Good on ya.

          • Margie8

            Thank you. Happy New Year πŸŽ†

      • OOkpik

        Shorpy, implying that someone is being stupid because they are seeking information or clarification is insensitive, especially when she is new to Scientology-watching and the Bunker.

        • Eileen

          I read that as sarcasm, not a personal remark.

          • Dice

            But very close to a personal remark πŸ™‚ depends on who is reading it.

        • I have apologized, and edited.

          • Margie8

            Thank you for doing that but it wasn’t necessary. We all say stuff we regret or that gets taken wrong. No worries : )

          • OOkpik

            Now, that’s classy.

            Thanks Shorpy. Sometimes passions flare and commenters get hurt. I didn’t want to see that happen to either of you. πŸ™‚

        • Missionary Kid

          Shorpy has had the class to apologize.

      • Dice

        now i have read this a few times i think it’s funny but provoking. Hell i could have wrote this!

    • villagedianne

      L. Ron Hubbard Jr. said that Scientology is Satanism in slow motion. Link: http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/penthouse-LRonHubbardJr-interview-1983.htm

      Hubbard [Jr.]: I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house! Scientology and black magic. What a lot of people don’t realize is that Scientology is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it’s stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don’t see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology –and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works. Also, you’ve got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan. He had a direct pipeline of communication and power with him. My father wouldn’t have worshiped anything. I mean, when you think you’re the most powerful being in the universe, you have no respect for anything, let alone worship.

  • Joey Alexander, 12, youngest ever to appear at the Newport Jazz Festival, next on 60 Minutes, on the east coast.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Alexander

  • daisy

    Alex Gibney documentary on Steve Jobs on CNN

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I’ve just been looking back over some old Facebook cover pictures and found a few of the fantastic banners Bunkerites and Facebookers made back in March 2015 to promote Going Clear before its release. After listening to Mike and Jeffrey discussing the documentary’s Oscar chances (ohpleaseohplease) I thought I’d get them back out again.

    Refresh/F5

    • Eivol Ekdal

      πŸ™‚

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I hadn’t seen those two. Love ’em πŸ™‚

        • Eivol Ekdal

          One is a screenshot that I took today the other is a tweet from someone at Sundance I think

    • Nat-leficent

  • Hamtaro

    Totally Off Topic: some so-called militia men have taken over a remote visitor’s center in Oregon. One of them is the son of Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher who previously spearheaded an armed standoff with the Feds.

    Twitter has really risen to the challenge of spotlighting this breaking news by giving this “crisis” a plethora of hilarious hashtags: #Y’allQaeda, #YeeHaw’d, #TaliBundy, #VanillaISIS and my personal favorite: #YokelHaram.

    At last count, Bundy the Younger had been joined by three of his fellow militia men in the visitor’s center. No word yet on whether they also occupied the gift shop. Here’s a link to the actual news story: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/militia-takes-ore-fed-building-protest-article-1.2483723

    This is the best joke I’ve heard so far in 2016, so I wanted to share it with all of you.

    • Nat-leficent

      I hope no one gets hurt. #VanillaISIS is really good

      • Hamtaro

        Don’t worry, Nat. The standoff will be resolved when the occupiers demand Arby’s and the Feds force them to throw out their guns before tossing in bags full of highly processed roast beef and curly fries.

        • Eivol Ekdal

          Don’t forget the Horsey Sauce.

    • jazzlover

      In honor of your personal fave, did you trip the light fandango? πŸ˜‰

      • maybe that was skipped and they turned cartwheels cross the floor….

        • jazzlover

          Dedicated to Cardone, a blighter shade of whale.

          • Doc M

            Nice pun!

    • salin

      I have also read “Yehawdists”

    • #Y’allQuaeda and #VanillaISIS made my night.

      • jazzlover

        LOL. What do ya know? Twitter does have an upside after all πŸ™‚

    • Missionary Kid

      Those idiots are coming from a belief that government is not at all essential, especially if it cuts off the freebies they’ve been taking advantage of.

      IIRC, the people they are protesting for were poachers, who’d illegally killed a number of deer. They set a fire to cover up the evidence of their poaching, and it ended up burning land that was a part of a national forest.

      Bundy Sr. was pissed because the government said that he couldn’t run his cattle on BLM land any more.

      The sense of entitlement on the part of these bozos deserves all the scorn that they’re getting. Yehawdists is perfect.

      • salin

        One of two fires set on federal land cost, or so I read, more than $600,000 in fighting the fire and clean up costs after the fire was over. Tax payer dollars. To cover up poaching on federal lands.

        • Missionary Kid

          They’re using rhetoric to justify criminal behavior by citing their own, distorted view of the Constitution. They forget that there is a whole body of laws, interpreted by the Supreme Court, which doesn’t agree with them. The Bundys are thieves.

    • J. Swift

      A so-called militia with ties to Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy has seized a remote federal building in a frigid southeast Oregon wildlife refuge with no plans to leave.

      Congress had best give Halliburton a ten billion dollar contract to harden, fortify, and secure America’s remaining remote visitor centers in frigid areas to protect them from the threat posed by apostate ranchers.

      • Missionary Kid

        IMO, that would play into the Bundy’s conspiracy fantasies.

        • salin

          um… “Jade Helm!”

      • Lionel Drinkwater

        Why not let these renegade ranchers graze their cattle inside the hundreds of millions of empty square feet inside of Scientology’s Ideal Orgs?

        • Missionary Kid

          *Laughing* They could maybe graze on the WTH or Dianutty, and then leave cow pies on the floor that would be far better than what they were eating.

    • Kim O’Brien

      ” Bundy the Younger ‘ ..LOL ..perfect

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Bundy’s in the militia, for real? Here i thought it was just a TV show.

        • Kim O’Brien

          or a serial killer . ( Ted Bundy ..no relation . No really ..shut up ..it;s just a coincidence ….;)

  • exccla

    i believe the ‘directing’ that eric sherman did was a part of a film making class he taught and i took. i used to work in the film industry and i got the hollywood trade papers for years. i never saw that he directed a feature length movie , much less worked with that caliber of actors listed.

    • villagedianne

      There are a couple of different Eric Sherman’s on IMDB, and also an Eric P. Sherman. Does your comment refer to an earlier comment regarding Scientology flyers?

      • exccla

        yes. he is or was married to the former jeanie dillard and dad to cisimo sherman.

  • villagedianne

    Today while walking outside I felt a strange sensation, difficult to identify, at first. Then I realized I was . . . cold. It’s been so long I forgot what it feels like. It’s not entirely unpleasant either, in small doses.

    Right now I’m having a bowl of hot soup.

  • Nat-leficent

    I need a Baby story soon!

    • salin

      It’s not the same, but over on aisle 28 we seem to have someone acting out like a toddler might when the toddler isn’t feeling enough attention. Don’t know that toddler watching, however, is anywhere near as entertaining as Baby stories!

      • Nat-leficent

        Lol, I mean “one of Baby’s funny stories”

        • salin

          lol, I meant that as well.

      • Baby

        You are so sweet.. curtsies.. ( I know what cha meant piglet..)

    • Kay

      Yup, me too….and I just barely logged in !!!

      • Nat-leficent

        My favorite is when she took her pants off in a movie theater. Jimmy3 likes the one about meeting her mother-in-law for the first time and the cake pic story is awesome too!

        • noseinabk

          Jimmy3 just likes the picture she posted with the cake story.

          • Nat-leficent

            That too XD

          • Baby

            I finally met my soul mate.. I felt like “Pretty Woman” Julia R and Richard G. Except hubs wasn’t rich and I wasn’t a hooker.. ( Well, I would have been that night..) bawwwwwwwhaha

        • Kay

          She took her pants off in a movie theater ???? LAUGH !!!!!! I missed that one….she is hilarious, truly.

          • Qbird

            well, it is wicked hot in Fla. It only made sense.

          • Nat-leficent

            She was hot. Lol!

          • Baby

            Yep… It was so Hot..

        • salin

          How about going to pick up the Thanksgiving dinner … almost could hear the banjos as background music when reading that story.

          • Baby

            Creeps me out.. hahhahahaha They are having a Southern Comfort ( yep..named that) with all the women making Southern Cooking.. I want to go so bad, but eeeeeep

        • beauty for ashes

          One of mine is when the dog had diarreah on her while driving to the post office.
          And the library story! PHFFFT!

          • Supper Powers

            I read that (dog) one out loud to my sister with tears coming down my face!

            • Baby

              Awwwwwwww thanks Supper..xo

            • Supper Powers

              It was hilarious! I could hardly get the whole story out I was cracking up so much.

          • Baby

            xo

            • beauty for ashes

              I used to work in a gym, and on of my shifts was ALL day sunday. But at the end of the day if I could shoo everyone out on time was Garrison Keillor, doing Prairie Home Companion on NPR on the radio. As the sun would set I would drive home and listen. <3 I love a good storyteller!

            • Baby

              What a nice compliment…thank you beauty.. Mwah

        • Baby

          xox

        • Rita G

          I love the mother-in-law story. The library spitter story is a classic. Bawahahahahahaha!

          • Nat-leficent

            Oh the library spitter!

      • Baby

        xo

    • Baby

      AWWWWWWWWWWWW I knew you love me Nat.. xoxo

  • Kim O’Brien

    i think that anoni81b42 …is Grant Cardone . Cuz life is just kinda like that sometimes

    • Nat-leficent
      • Kim O’Brien

        we are SO going to have fun at HowdyCon ! πŸ™‚

        • Nat-leficent

          Yes. Yes, we are.

    • stillgrace2

      I think we should vote to petition the Proprietor to consider invoking the ‘annoying git’ clause of the Bunker Banhammer Treaty.

    • I think I am Elena Cardone, may be. Nah.

      • Nat-leficent

        F5

        • Judith Sylvester

          She looks like Morticia. Give her some long stemmed roses so she can cut the blooms off.

        • madame duran

          She looks like a psycho girlfriend. Imagine having that face greet you on the Infinity porch first thing in the morning. Lawd.

          • Qbird

            eyes fly open wide — screams — runs away — as fast as my little legs can carry me!

      • Kim O’Brien

        Elena, i envy your seamless forehead . NO woman ..who actually raises her children …ends up with a seamless forehead . My hat is off to your botox sculputress / nanny/ hair style/ eyebrow guru πŸ˜‰

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Holidays are over, Dodo. Put the sherry back in the cabinet now.

        • Fine.

          • Supper Powers

            Psst…meet me out back by the swings. I have a flask of rye whiskey.

  • Dear Angry Gay Pop, please tell anoni to cool it down.

  • Nat-leficent

    Anyway . . .http://www.pinturillo2.com/
    Impromptu Pictionary game
    Room 9
    Password offtopic

    • salin

      Thanks for the game, Nat. Distracted me from the end of the drama. And was fun!

      • Nat-leficent

        Yay!

  • Dice

    FYI: I have changed my “name” I like this better for a reason.

    • Qbird

      Dice. nice. understand the change.

      • Dice

        tnx πŸ™‚

    • Robert Eckert

      It is entirely possible he originally chose the name specifically to be confused with you and get you blamed for things he did: such things have happened before.

      • Dice

        bad vibes travels fast, I just wasn’t aware!

      • Dice

        I checked that, his profile is older than mine.
        ETA:Wait, he could have changed it along the way. idk

      • stillgrace2

        Unfortunate timing to arrive at the bunker just as an asshat is deleting his comments.
        Just saying.

        • Robert Eckert

          Persistent dead-agenting of Karen accompanied by rudeness to those telling him to cool it; it’s not 100% clear whether he was OSA or just a noxious garden-variety troll but he had to go.

          • stillgrace2

            Unsuited for polite society. Good riddance.

          • Dice

            There are SP’s and then there are SP’s πŸ™‚

    • Eileen

      I was wondering if you were the same, thanks for clarifying.

    • pluvo

      What was your previous ‘name’?

      • Dice

        It still shows if you click on my profile

        • pluvo

          Maybe it shows for you, not for me. I just see unmoved mover. But it is ok. Just curious. πŸ™‚

          • Dice

            You have to click hard πŸ™‚ then the page shows with @B4You
            ETA: That’s the unique Identifier you select when you create the account

            • pluvo

              Ah, now I understand. Thank you for explanation..

            • Dice

              Why didn’t i just type it? sorry πŸ™‚ but now you know that part of disqus i guess

          • Robert Eckert

            It was similar to our late unlamented friend.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Late?

              Did I miss something?

            • Robert Eckert

              If you refresh there are now a bunch of “This comment was deleted” scars

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              ‘Bout time.

      • Qbird

        see, pluvo ~

    • salin

      I only picked up on the similarity of the nics – yesterday. I never paid attn to the end of the name.

      • Dice

        Me to, and he was the one who made the connection so i noticed it!

        • salin

          That’s pretty bold – if the nic was meant to be confusing. But he was pretty emboldened.

          • Dice

            anyway, i was planing to change it for some time, as the B4u Lingo is kinda worn out or you need to have a different age πŸ™‚ So i take this as my opportunity. And i need a new avatar too. And since i found out the B4You is still in my profile for the ref. It’s not a problem but a relief πŸ™‚

            • salin

              Dice, it’ll take a minute til that nic conversion is automatic, though the avi helps – as I had already started recognizing it = you.

            • Dice

              I will always keep this [-] in my Avi somehow.

    • Baby

      I really like it Dice.. and I love the avi.. good job.. xo Someone came on as Baby before with a little boy with a cigar.. Bleh.. We ran him off..

  • Sibs

    Off Topic (from today’s topic), but I finally just finished reading Troublemaker and I am misty-eyed from reading the ending and all of Leah’s acknowledgements. I’m still gathering my thoughts, so I hope it’s alright if I come back to the Bunker with more questions and observations at a later date.

    But one thing that I was reading for and I’m still kinda putting together the answer: what took Leah so long to leave the church after everything she experienced and observed in her life, but most especially after Tom’s wedding? I mean, the obvious answer is that she was worried about her family and everything they would have to deal with (like, the fear of disconnecting with her mother), and the hope that if she stayed in, she could help reform $cientology from the inside. But it seemed to me like Leah always had a foot out the door, trying to hide her $cientology life from her co-workers, making a point of hiring non-$cientologists and having non-$cientology friends, being too embarrassed to try to bring anybody into CC. Maybe she didn’t realize it?

    • Missionary Kid

      In watching most of the episodes of her reality show, I got the sense that Leah was being very careful to make sure that her loved ones came out with her. That could be very difficult because of the isolation and tattling that is rife within $cientology.

      In the segment where the family talked to a therapist, Everyone in the family was concerned about everyone else more than themselves. They hadn’t expressed it before because of the $cientology training that has everyone keeping their feelings about $cientology to themselves.

      • Sibs

        Well, another part of it that I noticed – especially when she mentioned at the end her decision to not raise her daughter in $cientology – was that she seemed to take the $cientology lifestyle as her burden to bear in order to save the rest of the world. Maybe to burst that bubble she needed to see for herself that the world isn’t being saved by $cientology.

        • Missionary Kid

          One of the reasons she gave was that she was either undergoing auditing or a sec check or training, inside, and she looked out, and her daughter was having fun outside by the pool, and she wasn’t there to share the fun with her.

          She recalled how her own mom had missed out on a lot of her growing up, because she was so busy with $cientology, and she didn’t want to repeat the pattern.

  • Qbird

    oh hey, was some git tech just used?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I have to say I’m extremely glad on this occasion.

      • Supper Powers

        It’s about time. He treated a lot of people poorly.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Up-votes all around!!!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I have been employing industrial strength Ignore Tech since early this afternoon.

        Life is too short.

    • noseinabk
    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thank goodness. My gif machine was getting ready to blow! Crossed a lot of lines lately, not just one.

    • Newiga

      *wakes up to a buzzing Bunker* What’s all this drama? Anyone got coffee?

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Yes – but I am going to bed. If I leave it out and put the kettle on can you do the rest?

        • Newiga

          Thanks, Eivol. I think I can manage, just barely. πŸ˜‰ Good night!

      • Qbird

        Good Morning Newiga ~ here ya go…

        • Newiga

          That looks divine! Thank you, Qbird. *takes a sip*

    • beauty for ashes

      Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      Oops, I was posting to an older un-refreshed screen to anoni. In case he/she is still reading:

      I think it’s fair to say she is a critic of $cientology the Cherch. Whether or not she still uses the so-called “tech” — who knows and in my opinion it does not negate her efforts to expose the abuses of DM and the Cherch. If you think she is a hypocrite then so be it. I’ve read your reasoning and you’ve made your point. OK. I, too, probably have opinions or assessments that others would strongly disagree about but I cannot badger others to accept my viewpoint. Personally I think the “tech” is all a bunch of huey but if someone wants to study it then let them be.

      • Qbird

        can’t talk to anoni81b4u anymore… so it is.

    • Qbird, I can’t find your post where you ask for original podcast.
      So I am responding here.
      The original podcast was with Mike Rinder ~~
      http://www.survivingscientologyradio.com/podcast/surviving-scientology-radio-episode-1-with-mike-rinder/

      • Qbird

        Oh thank you dear heart, kind of you, wonderful! Cheers — I’ll copy & paste.

        Karen. There is a lot of love in you. I see it. I feel it.

  • Kim O’Brien

    i think that anoni81b42 …is Grant Cardone . Cuz life is just kinda like that sometimes

    Oh ..and he is deleting all of his comments πŸ˜‰

    • Jimmy3

      or he was banned?

      • Qbird

        i’m-a gonna say banned ~

      • Kim O’Brien

        that would be better …

      • stillgrace2

        It looks like the account was deleted. I don’t know by whom. Tony usually mentions if someone is banhammered. However, in this case, Tony might not have wanted to bother with the creep.

        • Robert Eckert

          The Disqus profile still exists, just not on this board.

          • stillgrace2

            “Just not on this board.” Good!
            I am extending heartfelt wishes for your good health and happiness in 2016, Robert.

            • Robert Eckert

              Thank you, happy and healthy 2016 to you too!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Well, I’ve saved a few.

      Did anyone else see this one from December 30? Discussion topic was Bill Cosby, and whether he could be “rehabilitated.” I was horrified at this comment, that clearly advocates lynching:

      • Missionary Kid

        I often open up two windows. The one I’m on now doesn’t get refreshed. I do that in another window, so original posts are still up.

      • Doc M

        I know that thread well, as I started the Cosby Prison Hospital vs Prison jail thing where he/she mad that shocking remark. I got reamed by two others pretty well for my opinion.

      • Dice

        did you know – at any time you can right-click and “save as” all the comments with pictures and all. You just need to expand all comments first. It’s useful if you want a full record fast and you don’t have to pick them out one by one

    • Doc M

      But he/she had thousands of comments and thousands of up votes.

      • Dice

        not from the bunker, he was all over the place on disqus.

        • Doc M

          I didn’t know, I thought all the comments were from the Bunker.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Not at all. He conducted a vicious and nasty campaign against another Bunker regular on another board, and when called out on it claimed he was the “Epic Troll” of 2015.

            ETA:
            When someone christens themselves “epic” it goes beyond pathetic.

    • Doc M

      Isn’t he/she the one who got into it with Jazz a month or two ago and really laid into him?

      Also how do you all know it’s a she?

      • Kim O’Brien

        He …said he was a father . He might be a pussy ..but he does not have a vagina πŸ˜‰

        • Supper Powers

          That’s hard not to up vote. *chuckles*

        • Robert Eckert

          *shrug* I would have guessed still in high school.

      • jazzlover

        I suppose anything’s possible, Doc. I’ve stopped worrying about it. I can now laugh because it is that person who is wasting his/her time with bothering people. There are many people who do that on the internet. Their loss in the end, if you get my drift.

        • Doc M

          I’m sure it was you Jazz, about the Mexican food thing. Pretty funny in retrospect.

          • jazzlover

            That was someone associated with Anon. That’s the one I just don’t get. There is also the other one who is using a coupla different screen names to call me a misogynist AND a racist. I suppose it’s possible that’s the Anon person as well since she jumped on me for the Ortega taco joke. I must be a real bastard to have known that such commercial supermarket things exist (eye roll here).

            • Doc M

              Come on, from Astoria, makes sense to me πŸ˜‰

            • jazzlover

              Ha! You know how Astoria came to be, don’t you?

            • Doc M

              John Jacob Astor
              Hey I’m a NY’er

            • jazzlover

              That tale is a little murky. Nobody really knows whether or not he actually made it across the East River. Rumor has it that he’s buried in Astoria. Nobody has proven it. He did have a hoity toity apartment in Manhattan, though πŸ™‚

              Astoria started as a village populated by Germans first and Italians next to work at the only North American Steinway Piano Factory after the Germans decided to bring their art across the pond. Starting sometime in the 60s, Greeks started to immigrate there in droves and took Astoria over. When I was a kid, Astoria had the 3rd largest Greek population on the planet. My dear departed dad used to constantly get frustrated by “those damn Greek triple-parking mofo’s” πŸ™‚

            • Doc M

              When I was still in NY, Astoria was primarily Greek. Has it changed? I’m sure it must have.

            • jazzlover

              It has changed. Many Greeks have left and gone east. Many have even gone to the expensive neighborhood in Whitestone, Malba, which is under the Whitestone Bridge. I had a friend there years ago whose next door neighbor was Barbara Eden! Btw, the Steinway Piano factory still functions, producing somewhere around 500 pianos a year, last I heard.

  • beauty for ashes

    Please let this be a permanent thing πŸ˜‰ ETA spoke to soon!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGk3tY4yP7k

    • Doc M

      Man, she was good!!

      • beauty for ashes

        The best. I can’t sing, and she just astounds me. especially when she first got to MGM, really still a child. ** deletes paragraph and makes myself stop gushing!**

        • Doc M

          I just listened to the “Over the Rainbow” Clip from the movie. 17 years old, what a voice! She’ll forever own that song!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Fun fact: “Get Happy” was the last number Judy recorded at MGM. The very last.

  • a New Year message from John Cleese, and a werewolf kitteh [important use of the oxford comma there, ed]

    • Doc M

      Just read his book last week, really interesting, not a typical biog but more of why he is who he is. Recommended if you like Cleese!
      He says, he is first and formost a writer!

      • gtsix

        I just watched A Fish Called.Wanda this past weekend. What a great film, and holds.up over time. I’ll have to pick up his book.

        • Doc M

          Hilarious movie, Cleese is a very funny man!

  • stillgrace2

    I want to officially thank THDNE for her generous and judicious application of animated gifs tonight.
    They made UGLY bearable. Praise Jesus, Allah, and Xenu, he’s gone.

    • Robert Eckert

      he’s baaaaack

      • stillgrace2

        I know. What a complete fool. Let’s starve “Mr. Obvious”. What a sicko.

      • stillgrace2

        We can only pray he runs into Espiando soon.

    • beauty for ashes

      She really was on a streak!

    • noseinabk

      Not gone Grace. Still trolling under a new name.
      I will now employ the troll listening tech.

      • stillgrace2

        Starve the SOB.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Ding ding ding ding ding.

          And another winnah!

          • Dice

            Ha ha! You did it again πŸ™‚ Sound like an Icecream truck

      • noseinabk

        Darn it. My troll song link is broken. 😠

  • Kim O’Brien

    Grant Cardone would obviously call himself Mr. Obvious . When a person thinks ” douchebag ” …Grant Cardone ” obviously” comes to mind .

    Just pracicing stating the obvious ..carefulllee ect …

    • stillgrace2

      Obvious is obvious, for sure.

  • Supper Powers

    I have so many left overs and there is only so much soup and pot pie one can make. Anyone make anything clever this last week?

    • Missionary Kid

      I have one of those vacuum saver things.I can put food in bags or containers, and they last much longer. When frozen, they don’t get the ice crystals that usually ruin frozen food.

      • Supper Powers

        I have always wondered if those work. Did yours pay for itself in the first 6 months?

        • Missionary Kid

          No, but it saves a lot of cooking, because I can put portions aside and just heat them up later. It enables me to buy in bulk and save money that way. Cheese lasts for a long time because I just cut off what I need for a week, then vacuum pack the rest.

          Some things, like frozen hamburger patties, I vacuum bag in groups of 3 or 4. (I buy the patties because I don’t have to split up the hamburger by weighing each part that I would have to cut off a “chub” if I bought it that way.)

          I have containers that I can put soups and spaghetti sauce in.

          • Supper Powers

            Thanks for insight. I busted my food processor and so I’m going to go on a kitchen gadget spree this Spring.

            • noseinabk

              My son broke my food processor when “helping” to grate zucchini. He became the official food processor until I purchased a new one. At least I didn’t need to clean the kid later so that was a plus.

            • Missionary Kid

              Most kids, particularly teen aged ones, process food by eating everything in sight.

          • noseinabk

            I would consider getting one just for the cheese. ☺
            So many of our local stores have inferior cheese that in order to get the better ones we buy them in larger portions and freeze half.

            • MaxSpaceman

              You can freeze cheese and when you thaw it, it’s good ? as in, like it was never frozen ?!?

            • noseinabk

              Semi soft cheese like havarti freeze well along with harder ones. I have not tried mozzarella yet but should give it a go since we never use the full package of it and it goes bad fairly quick.
              To be clear, I am talking about blocks or rounds of cheese and not sliced or shredded. Any of those can be frozen.

            • vicariousthrill

              Fresh mozzarella freezes beautifully. I don’t know about aged cheeses.

            • Missionary Kid

              The cheese doesn’t need to be frozen if it’s vacuum packed. Most of the cheese you buy is vacuum packed. When you cut into the plastic, it lets air in, and that allows mold to grow. I’m not a big fan of frozen cheese.

        • noseinabk

          Ditto. When freezing soups, stews or cassaroles we tend to use the disposable containers since they won’t be stored longer than 2 months or so. When we freeze stuff from the garden that I can not can, I lay it out on a tray to freeze before bagging it for the freezer. I am always resistant to adding another item to my kitchen that I won’t use regularly and the vacuum sealer looked like it would be one of those items.

          • beauty for ashes

            They do take up a lot of counter space. I also was terribly fond of shrink wrapping things at a previous job, so that also could explain the enthusiasm.

            • Missionary Kid

              They now have one that sits vertically, but it costs more than the original one.

            • beauty for ashes

              I guess logic costs more πŸ™‚

            • Missionary Kid

              Naw, it’s newer and has more bells and whistles.

      • beauty for ashes

        My brother had one, so good for things like guacamole or good cheese. Love them!

      • MaxSpaceman

        how much do vacuum saver things cost? and what is the name/brand?

        • Missionary Kid

          I bought mine at Costco for around $55, including the vacuum bags. Foodsaver is the brand, and I waited until Costco had an in-house discount coupon. Usually, they’re around 70+ dollars.

          • MaxSpaceman

            great! the stuff lasts as long as if you’d frozen it?

            • Missionary Kid

              The cheese does. What I do is make up a real long vacuum bag initially. Then I cut the end, cut off what I need, then vacuum and seal it again in the same package. The longest I’ve had some cheese in the refrigerator like that is about 2 months.

        • Juicer77

          Try a straw and a zip loc bag. Not quite as good but cheap and portable πŸ™‚

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I think several of us cooked a goose– one that was completely oblivious to what was happening.

      • Missionary Kid

        Anon cooked his own.

    • beauty for ashes

      My ex’s mom used to make turkey gumbo that I was terribly fond of.:)

      • Supper Powers

        Now I have never made or eaten turkey gumbo. Squirrel, nutria, chicken, etc but never turkey.

        • beauty for ashes

          You are brave πŸ™‚

    • Loki aka (SP Wogsy)

      I made potato skins : )

      • Supper Powers

        A classic!

        • Loki aka (SP Wogsy)

          Cheap , easy to make , instant favorite

    • Mark

      Fritters or curry (for the meat), bubble-and-squeak (for the veg)?

    • Juicer77

      Quiche? I do a cheese/flour/nutmeg crust and toss anything in there that’s still hanging around.

      • Supper Powers

        That’s the final dish today. Then the rest goes to compost. Thanks for the idea.

        • Juicer77

          Gonna send me a slice, right? πŸ˜‰ I love a little quiche.

          • Supper Powers

            Certainly!

            • Juicer77

              Can I have a hug to go with that quiche? You walked right into that one.

            • Supper Powers

              Haha! Yes! Of course!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Xenu, give me strength. Mrs D is about to embark on season 6 of Downton Abbey…

    • Supper Powers

      If she starts decorating the house like the set, you’re in trouble.

    • Robert Eckert

      Downton with American accents:

      https://youtu.be/wElbSFWgseA

    • jazzlover

      Stick it out a little while longer. This is its last season πŸ™‚

      • Doc M

        I’d watch it just for Maggie Smith as she’s good in whatever she does. However I won’t.

  • Supper Powers

    Who is on the Fun Committee for HowdyCon?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Miss Tia is keeping track of all things HowdyCon. I hope she will come in here and set things straight.

      • Supper Powers

        I can’t wait to see how it plays out. Pun intended. I saw a suggestion for an MST3K like event with Sci videos and running commentary commentary by Fly, Jimmy3 and Nat.

        • That would have to take place in the extra room Jimmy mentioned he might rent or someone’s room. I don’t think people want the whole time scheduled and venue space is at a premium—price and time wise.

      • Yep, I just scrolled thru, I suggested above I either make a discussion page on the howdycon page or we start one on the ‘help out’ page. The only thing about trophies is they must be travelable. I was thinking of doing something with balloons. Like balloon sculpture trophies, that of course would pop into nothing πŸ™‚

    • Nat-leficent

      I want to have an IAS trophy making contest. We should go talk about games/etc. on the Howdycon website sometime this week

      • Supper Powers

        Oooh! I like!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Trophy-making with lots and lots of glitter and crap would be great, don’t you think?

          • Supper Powers

            If I can make big gaudy sparkly shit and get lots of oohs and ahhs for it, hell yes! I’m a kindergartener deep down inside.

          • stillgrace2

            I’m thinking paintball. We could form teams. I want aubergine paint.

      • Baby

        When you do Nat..do you still have my email? I want to be with you guys.. I love games..I just want to be with you guys.. For me we don’t have to do the touristy things..

        Just hang out..and I LOVE GAMES.. We could play Charades hhahaha.. and we could play all things Scientology..

        Each team writes something down and the other team has to act it out.. I would like to see Cardone.. and someone acting out Douche bag..hahaha

      • Yes, let’s please discuss those things on the howdycon site, I can make a discussion page if need be, or just start a conversation on the ‘help out’ page.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Is the a/c on the fritz in here? There’s an annoying banging sound.

    • stillgrace2

      At least the smell died down a bit.

    • Supper Powers

      I like how the default to respond to such noises in here becomes so Dada-esque.

      • stillgrace2

        I like eggplants, pomegranates, and pucks.

        • Supper Powers

          Oyster seams.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        That’s what I am hearing: Dada… dada… dada…

        • Supper Powers

          Dada Tech, man.

  • Qbird

    My black & grey snores… really loud ! for such a small thing.
    Is this normal? Should I be concerned?

    • Missionary Kid

      Are you talking about a pet? You might call a vet.

      • Qbird

        serious MK? okay.

        • Missionary Kid

          I was trying to figure out what a black and gray is.

        • Missionary Kid

          I didn’t refresh, so I didn’t see the picture. My apologies.

          • Qbird

            my bad, i don’t f5 things.

    • Nat-leficent

      I didn’t know cats snore!

    • stillgrace2

      Dogs snore. Cats? Not so much. My cat sleeps with his eyes half open.

      • Qbird

        mine too, both of ’em. sometimes. You see that orange one Grace, the one with the extra toe? He’s my first orange kitty. Looks sweet don’t he? And he is… to us humans & to his “brother”. But let me tell you, he’s a yard tiger alright, a killer of furry things all the way up to big game Red Squirrels and Flying Squirrels and weasels and frogs and snakes, oh my. Tough guy. I love ‘im. Yup.

        • Jimmy3

          Cats are nature’s serial killers. True story.

          • Supper Powers

            Well Beauty days Qbird’s cats are stoned, so that prolly doesn’t apply to them. I’ve never heard of a lazy serial killer. They prolly get the munchies for those cheap processed bird treats that stain their paws orange.

          • beauty for ashes

            O/T~ have you ever seen kit kat cookies?

            • Jimmy3

              If I see them, I will eat them.

            • beauty for ashes

              Do you think kit kats would stand up to baking in cookie dough? I’m not a proficient baker. And if they some how could be bourbon flavored too? πŸ™‚

            • beauty for ashes

              https://www.hersheys.com/kitkat/en_us/recipes.html The pastry wrapped kit kat looks ridiculous.

          • Qbird

            Yes. You’ve mentioned this before. But… at least they crap in a box.

            • So did Ed Gein.

            • Qbird

              whoa Artoo – I searched this name on account of I’ve never heard this name. I cannot read any more than a glimpse. :/

        • beauty for ashes

          Polydactyl kittehs <3 <3 <3

          • Qbird

            !!! yes.

        • stillgrace2

          I am a sucker for an orange kitty. Since I was four years old.

          • beauty for ashes

            Are you sure there isn’t an earlier similar? Maybe a orange cat in a past life?

            • stillgrace2

              I don’t do twitter, Facebook, or past lives.

    • stillgrace2

      Change the kitty’s sleeping position and see if it stops. If it persists, treat for hairballs. If that doesn’t help, check with your vet. More: http://www.snoringtreatmentinfo.com/CatSnoring.html

    • beauty for ashes

      Your cats looked pretty baked. that could be a problem πŸ˜‰

      • Qbird

        Yeah that damn Nip. Gotta teach yer cats about the dangers of the devil’s parsley.

        • M from Toronto

          If you think that’s bad, get them honeysuckle! Honeysuckle is a helluva drug.

          • Qbird

            like catnip – as in dried honeysuckle? I never heard o’ such.
            wonder if I can get it at the coop. hmm.
            Hey M, you ever eat a wild Bluebell flower?

            • M from Toronto

              Q, if that isn’t ever a line in a Quentin Tarantino film, it should be.
              Not that I can remember, which guarantees nothing! I’ve rolled sound in them, picnicked amongst them, and grow them, and I have eaten Bluebell honey, so the bees were my middle women, but no, never have I eaten one to my recollection. My Great Gran used to make tea from them at the request of her neighbours. As far as I’m aware it was because they felt poorly, not that they thought it was tasty (though it may well have been).
              As for the cats, http://www.krazykitty.com and the item in question is called a Double Whammy or a Honeysuckle Mouse. I’ve been a loyal customer for over 20 years, it’s either inspiring or alarming what happens when a cat gets hold of these.

            • Qbird

              fun. Well, I ate some this past summer, just picked ’em and ate ’em and they are ***truly delightful surprise here*** tasty sweet… better than Daylily ~ ha! I’d bet your Ma Mere’s tea was fair & fine & naturally sweet.

              Thanks for the kitty link. πŸ™‚ bookmarked. Smitty & Mickey (my wee hairy friends) could use a grand distraction during these winter months. Inspiring and alarming!?! Stronger than catnip? Just what breed of cat is Stan?

            • M from Toronto

              Since I have an entire garden of Bluebells at my disposal, I’ll try one this Spring, I mean, I have a recommendation from you and well, likely millions of bees, that’s good enough for me. Inspiring because they turn into big, single-minded kittens when they get them, tossing them and looking like the definition of joie de vivre; alarming because it’s a level of excitement I’d never seen from any of them with another toy/food/bed (and some cats don’t react to the ‘nip but do they ever react to honeysuckle) and now the expectations of their indentured servant have risen!
              Stan is from Toronto Animal Services (aka municipal animal control) and was listed simply (and unhelpfully) as Domestic Short Hair. He’s a stunner, has the Roman nose and everything, some people have thought he’s Burmese.

      • stillgrace2

        (F5)

    • M from Toronto

      I’d say about half of my cats have snored, now, none as loudly or as full of rumbles, purrs and gurgling noises as my Stan, he sounds like a freight train, but he’s fine, although he isn’t small, I’ve had three people think he was a small jaguar when they meet him (not kidding).
      I think just look for signs of apnea, like in a person, does he pop up from sleep like he stopped breathing?

      • Qbird

        no – he seems fine… it’s just new to me.

        • M from Toronto

          I can see why it’s alarming, most cats do seem to have the hang of the whole sleeping thing! πŸ™‚
          If he’s his usual self (since cats, like people, are all individuals) for me thats’s the main barometer to stick with. If he seems unrested, or upset when it happened, or he seemed to not want to sleep as much as cats do normally that would be the semaphore for me: but I’m never one to suggest you don’t ask the vet what they think, it’s not a bad thing to make certain.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      My elderly cat snored all her life, she lived to 17 yrs old and there was nothing wrong with her.
      My current cat Flicky snores sometimes, but she is fine otherwise.
      If he is not distressed otherwise then just mention it when they have their next check-up.

      • Qbird

        yep, gotcha fine there. He’s happy, healthy… he’s the first cat that snores. When I touch him to wake him, he immediately starts to purr.

    • M from Toronto

      Just to add a couple of pictures:
      Stan, the cat everyone thinks is a jaguar, who snores like he’s trying to move the tides, is the black cat, and Sheba Baby is the totally drugged up tabby with the honeysuckle mouse.

      • Dice

        Stan look just like my Cat

        • M from Toronto

          That your cat is a stunner too, we’re lucky we have them to admire! (She glances nervously at the cats.)
          My Moe and Fam were black as well, and I was amazed to find out they’re hard to get homes for and some people think they look “boring”. Um…. No, they don’t.
          Edited because it looked like Disqus reformatted and it was weird. I don’t need any help looking incompetent!

          • Dice

            I am so lucky not to believe that black cats gives you bad luck every time it crosses your path! Or something.

            • M from Toronto

              You’d both like Scotland, there is no greater good luck than that a black cat love you.
              Heather and horseshoes are the also rans here… (Pictures of Scots cards, calendars are also very popular.)
              ETA I can’t actually think of anywhere in Britain where black cats aren’t considered lucky. I just know how much it’s talked up in Scotland and Northern England.

    • M from Toronto

      Smitty and Mickey are both gorgeous. Of course when I was growing up I can’t remember how many people said grey/brown tabbies are smart, ginger tabbies are friendly, it was expected they were all like that, dammit! My Grandma would say ‘That’s what they want you to say… so both are smart!’

  • Margie8

    Just for the record, I need to mention how fucking angy it makes me every time I read the words, “ecclesiastical leader.” That’s all.

    • Supper Powers

      There will be more things you will read that will piss you off. Hold on to your hat.

    • Missionary Kid

      We have a lot of variations on that. Take a look at the list of DM’s nicknames I’ve compiled. Look under ecc at http://tonyortega.org/2015/09/29/o-canada-were-in-vancouver-today-getting-our-british-columbia-on-lets-talk-scientology/#comment-2316187141

    • Doc M

      Or apostates or church services or church counseling….the list goes on and on.

    • Phil McKraken

      Professor Reza Asshat informs us that anyone who claims the title ecclesiastical leader is deserving of respect and special pleading, because they’re all aiming at the same spiritual target. No judgments. No criticisms.

      • Margie8

        Except when they’re not.
        Prof. Asshat indeed.

    • stillgrace2

      I just laugh at how important he thinks he is.

    • Kay

      Yes, that is not only SO annoying, but also incredibly dumb. The dictionary definition of ecclesiastical is the following:

      “of or relating to the Christian Church or its clergy”

      Little Davey Boy, you are such a dunce. Didn’t word clear that one, did ya?

  • noseinabk

    <—-* falls asleep hoping not to dream about puck shaped pomegranate the color of eggplants being tossed around like footballs and wondering what it all means. *

    • Nat-leficent

      Night Grandma <3

      • Kay

        Something you posted down-thread earlier made me howl with laughter….I was going to respond it then, but I had to go to dinner (in a strange city, not knowing where exactly the restaurant was, with non-working GPS…long story) Anyway, by the time I got back I forgot what it was that you said that was so funny, but thought I’d tell you thanks for making me laugh. πŸ™‚

    • stillgrace2

      It means fresh air for all faithful bunkerites. Sleep well, my friend.

  • Supper Powers

    I’m headed to bed with two strange men I adore; Jeffrey and Mike. I like listening to Surviving Scientology Radio as I doze off. Thanks guys.

    Night, Bunks.

    • vicariousthrill

      Same here!

  • M from Toronto

    Reading today has been like reading Encyclopedia Dramatica. However, something, ahem, reminded me of one of my beloved Uncle John’s sayings. Since people have had giggles from my Scots family, I’ll add this.
    When confronted by any hectoring, dull, delusional, self-absorbed or daft person’s repeated (oh, how they are repeated) opinions, my Uncle John looked at them and said ‘Your heid’s fu’ a wee boats, and they’re aw sinking.’

  • Dice
    • Dice

      i saw that!

      • Supper Powers

        What was that about??

        • Dice

          no idea F5

          • Jimmy3

            sorry, greg

            • Dice

              did you delete it?

            • Jimmy3

              greg not delete
              jimmy make bad

            • Supper Powers

              Well you outted yourself. You definitely have overdone the Kit Kats. Put down the controls, drink some water and go to bed.

            • Dice

              maybe he needs Auditing?

            • Supper Powers

              It would be pretty amusing to see how Jimmy3 responds to those stupid questions and them have to say thank you each time.

            • Jimmy3

              Outted myself for what? I think you’re confused. Greg/Max has trolled this board for a while and every time I’ve mentioned it, it gets dismissed. It’s the same fucking person.

            • Dice

              excuse me?

            • Jimmy3

              Yeah

            • Dice

              i think you got the wrong number

            • Jimmy3

              Why would you react that way to a mention of Greg/Max?
              Your handle is ‘Dice’

            • Dice

              omg! have no effing idea what you just said who is Greg/Max??? Is Nat in on this shit?

            • Jimmy3

              I never mentioned your handle of ‘Dice’ directly, but I said Greg/Max, and you said ‘excuse me?’. As if you were offended. Explain?

            • Dice

              well Nat brought this Greg up downthread, maybe thats why?

            • Jimmy3

              Honestly, I haven’t read that. But it fits a pattern.

            • Dice

              Dude i posted i had changed my addy earlyer, read the posts and check my profile? You still don’t know who i am?

            • Jimmy3

              Nope. Tell me

            • Dice

              B4You – ffs

            • Jimmy3

              ohhhhh. You were that until tonight?

            • Dice

              as i wouldn’t be mixed up with anoni81b4u or something – Man wake up πŸ™‚

            • Jimmy3

              Man wake up? You were confused for him for weeks. But tonight, the night that clown got banned, you decided to change your name.

              and I’m being looked at side-eyed. Wake up.

            • Dice

              You brought the confusion in to this. For weeks?? why are you doing this?

            • Jimmy3

              Ive assumed for a long time that you were the same person.

              one is anonib4uorwtfever and youre B4you. You post at similiar times in the same conversations.

              and you act shocked that people think youre one and the same. look at the logs.

            • Dice

              Aha! well let me tell you, that’s exactly why i changed my nick. I have absolutely nothing in common with this anoni. The mod’s can see my IP. That other cant do me! Please Jimmy stop this shit. Wrong target – again?

            • Dice

              And btw I flagged anoni and he got banned right after. Tony O can verify that. Go on Ask him.

            • Jimmy3

              I commented about Greg/Max, and you said ‘excuse me?’

              Honestly, I hadnt read what anyone else wrote. And that is a suspect reaction.

            • Dice

              as i should know who Greg is? Suspect reaction? Your paranoid!

            • Jimmy3

              ‘as i should know who Greg is?’

              Then why did you say ‘Excuse me?’ when i mentioned him?

            • Dice

              I put the answer to this post ^^^^ your starting to irritate me. Just saying!

            • Jimmy3

              You have more time to dedicate to this shit than I do. I’m tired and done.
              You win.

            • Dice

              Thats ok, i still like you, and i think you had me wrong from a long time ago and probably it was my own fault at the time. But if I in any way have made you uncomfortable, i am sorry!

            • Supper Powers

              You’re not making sense. You called him Greg TWICE and then he said excuse me when you did it a third time.

              Edit, actually it was four times in total if you include the first time the “moderator” took the comment down.

            • Dice

              “Outted myself for what? I think you’re confused. Greg/Max has trolled this board for a while and every time I’ve mentioned it, it gets dismissed. It’s the same fucking person.”

              Thats why i say Excuse me!!!! Now it your turn to say it!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              FWIW, I have been reluctant to engage with you for much the same reason. I just never articulated it, as I had nothing concrete to go on. One big clue you are not the same person– you can spell.

            • Dice

              well about time someone said something πŸ™‚ i appreciated that.
              spell? i thought i was terrible and totally depending on my spellchecker.
              What i thought would give me away, was that english, is my second language and vocabulary is somehow limited, but i am working on it.
              ETA: meaning you could pick me out from a line up on that alone. No?

            • Supper Powers

              Yeah, I must be….

            • Supper Powers

              Are you up late calling everyone Greg after eating too many Kit Kats?

    • Baby

      Tom Cruise will never live this down until he dies..OR Scientology dies.. NO.. when ( Not if) Scientology dies.. It will still live..Cause dang..The Internet will be here forever..

      and Tom C will be mocked even after his death.. unless he Does a Leah Remeni and tells IT ALL..

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    That poor little girl looking out the window… Ack!
    CO$ NYE in Sydney. It doesn’t look like much of a turn out.
    (refresh)

    https://www.instagram.com/p/_6cy5JDKdd/

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And that little girl… is Tom Cruise.

  • Tory Christman

    Happy New Year to you all!
    I fell off my back porch on Jan1
    And broke my right foot ‘ in 2 places So I’m in too much
    pain to comment until I get it set by an orthopedic surgeon.
    Please don’t get distracted from this imp. Thread. I just
    wanted to let u know & wish each of u the happiest New Year!
    Peace & much love! Tory/Magoo

    • Supper Powers

      Broke what? The infinity porch? Your arm? Leg? Hip?

      That’s awful. I hope you were having a great time when it happened. Heal soon! Take comfort in knowing the CoS is rapidly coming down in 2016!
      ETA I didn’t refresh to see Tory edited her comment to say it was her foot. Ow! Sorry, Tory!

    • grundoon

      Happy New Year, Tory. Hope your foot is better soon.

    • Baby

      Oh for Pete’s sake Tory.. OUCH.. What a way to start the New Year.. Jeeze.. I’m sorry. I know it hurts..I broke my foot once and it was excruciating.. Love baby get better…

      • Robert Eckert

        Speaking of awful injuries how is your hand doing?

        • Baby

          So much better Robert..thank you..I didn’t think I would ever see the light at the end of the tunnel..It is still tender, but not the throbbing shooting pain..ugh

    • M from Toronto

      Oh Tory! πŸ™ TBH I can’t say that sudden injury on the porch at Hogmanay is an unknown thing in my family, but in your case, what a terrible accident to have happen, unlike familial shenanigans. All my very best to you for a speedy recovery as the start of a great-from-then-on 2016.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hmmmm.

      Start off the New Year by breaking your foot, and the year can only get better and better. There!

    • Juicer77

      Owie! Hope you heal quickly and correctly. Glad you’re getting it set by an expert. Peace and love in 2016, Magoo!

    • Carlazi

      What were your crimes Tory!! You must have upset the great xenu in santa babara

    • Newiga

      Get well soon, Tory! xxoo

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Oh Magoo! Wishing you good drugs!

    • 9001

      Happy New Year to you too Tory.
      Get well soon. x

    • MereCatWatcher

      Tory, I am so sorry to hear that happened. I fell after thanksgiving and injured one leg and the other foot. The broken ankle has healed pretty quickly. I hope yours does too. Best wishes for a speedy recovery. The elevation and ice did help in the beginning. (By the way I’ve watched all your videos even before finding tony at village voice. I started my Scientology watching with you, mark bunker and clambake.) Dancing with MaGoo….you’ll be dancing again. It just takes time to recover.

    • Mockingbird

      Happy new year. Get well soon.

      • Tory Christman

        Thanka, Mockingbird….workin’ on it, and Missionary kid is outside, helping me, as I type. πŸ™‚
        The amazing joy of friends!
        ^ ^ They r fantastic when u r well.
        When “off your feet for 2 months”…I can’t
        Put in words how much u ALL mean to me!!

        • Mockingbird

          A lot of people hope you feel better and miss you. You don’t see all of us but we watch your videos.

  • Tory Christman

    Don’t forget to click the heart (rt under comments/top left

    • Baby

      Make me

      • OOkpik

        You’re self-made, Baby. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. πŸ˜‰

        • Baby

          Hahaha.. Tory knew I was kidding.. Self made is right OOK.. I didn’t get this ” Spunk in a box! ” Pfffffffft.. ha

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I don’t make monkeys, I just train ’em! Hur hur hur!!!

        • Baby

          Oh MY Gawwd…

          I don’t shut up
          I grow up
          and when I see Grant Cardone
          I THROW UP..

  • Here’s a little something even the worst wannabe shoopsters should be able to do something with…. I’ve started off with an example

    2 pics

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Lush, did you see some of the funny comments on Perez Hilton’s post today of last month’s photo of Tom Cruise with Nick Hissom? His new face is going over about as well as Travolta’s. Hehe

      • made a point of removing him from my tabs as he annoyed me so much….if you have a link a have a look…. also another example

        pic

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          I don’t know how to post the Instagram post so that the comments or link shows up but if you go to his Instagram page and scroll down, it is there: https://www.instagram.com/theperezhilton/

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      There was a caption frenzy for this one a few days ago.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      How about a pic of Shelly in her wedding dress? I bet he thinks that’s a real knee slapper πŸ™
      (refresh)

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    It looks like they’ve implemented some kind of Trout Pout Tech at the Taiwan Ideal Org…

    PHOTO CAPTION – “We are both Supervisors”

    https://www.instagram.com/p/_4VFIGtJHj/?tagged=idealorg

    • …. that guy could almost be this guy……

    • Juicer77

      DM would not approve of anything other than uptone, wide smiles. Somebody’s getting RPF’d!

      • Baby

        No didn’t you read his new policy…he wants their lips pursed so it looks like they are kissing his ass..

        • Juicer77

          *snort*

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I prefer the oh-so-sexy hand on chin look, perfected by “source”. LOL
        (refresh)
        http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/hubbardthinks.jpg

        • chukicita

          Dammit, IW – had to toss the rest of my breakfast.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Sorry ’bout that but at least his teeth are unsen in that pic. It could have been a lot worse! πŸ˜‰

        • Mockingbird

          Amusing, Crowley and other guru types do similar “deep thought” poses. The indie field has some who copy Hubbard’s poses from photos on their Facebook pages.

          Then swindle dupes.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I feel like crank calling these guys – “I’d really like to book some time with you but I’m afraid I’d need less body thetans and more cowbell!”

    (refresh)

    https://www.instagram.com/p/_vb7SeMJd2/?taken-by=cleartrackstudios

    • Baby

      I made this for Missionary Kid when he joined our band.. MY God that was a long time ago when we were goofing around.. ha.. f5

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        They’ve been advertising sessions for $65 an hour. I googled recording studio prices and they state between $50 -$500 an hour and you get what you pay for. Looks like Clear Track Studios qualifies as bottom of the barrel. Just like everything associated with LRH.

        • Baby

          ugh

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I am coming in a day late here but at least I will be on the record. Rinder thinks that Fishman misled Time Magazine in 1991. He, by force of habit perhaps, points out that Fishman is now a convicted criminal. When that article was published by Time I thought they went easy on Scientology, probably from fear of retribution. Had Time come to me back then, I would have said much worse than what they printed.

    • Bert Allen

      I was also struck by Rinder’s denunciation of Fishman. I think it is undisputed that Fishman was a conman, but it has never been proven to my satisfaction that he lied about the COS to Behar. I know that Behar interviewed many many people for that article. I do not know if any of them supported any of Fishman’s statements. I do believe Behar’s article was the beginning of the movement that has resulted in the massive decline of the COS.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Thanks for the psychological support. Twenty four hours after the post came up I felt like I was yelling in an empty house.

        It wouldn’t have mattered who Behar went to. Anyone who had their eyes open could have fed information for that article, even me.

        Also, Rinder sounded as though he hated Miscavige and felt Miscavige was an incompetent. The centre of it is that Hubbard was a fraud. I gave it up in the middle and who knows, it could be the second half was devoted to that but most of what I heard sounded like anger and lack of respect towards Miscavige. (Don’t get me wrong. I think Miscavige is horrible as well).

  • Gene Trujillo

    In a 1972 HCOPL entitled “Leadership”, Hubbard actually discourages his followers from becoming wise leaders in favor of simply enforcing obedience.

  • Matt Galindo

    Perhaps somebody should explain to professor Dave Touretzky that Alister Crowley was NOT a Satanist but a Thelemite. Crowley’s image of Satan was that of a Judeo-Christian or biblical stand point hence his nick name of the “Great Beast 666”. Sure, there may be some similarities between Satanism and Thelema but not much