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Confirmed: Narconon’s entire Northern California network splits with Scientology

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Last month, we told you that Scientology leader David Miscavige was in the process of detonating and rebirthing his drug rehab network, Narconon. He’s opening new centers around the world, and the existing centers are being given an ultimatum: Get with the new program and be more tightly managed by Scientology itself, or get out.

One sign of that, we said, was that the Northern California network of Narconon centers had quietly changed the names of its clinics while leaving the Scientology fold. One of our expert sources had noticed that change at the website for the network (which is now calling itself Elevate Addiction Services), and he told us it was strong proof that the Northern California clinics had flown the coop.

Now, we have more confirmation of that, but also a really interesting view of what was happening behind the scenes.

Carnegie Mellon University professor Dave Touretzky recently sent us a copy of an email he received from California attorney John P. Hannon II.

We had previously learned that Hannon was handling several lawsuits against Narconon in California, and we had wanted to talk to him about it, but our efforts to reach him were unsuccessful.

But Hannon gave Touretzky permission to share the email he sent to the professor explaining what had happened in Northern California: His lawsuits over Narconon’s deceptive practices probably caused the group of clinics to give up on Scientology entirely.

Here’s what he sent Touretzky…

Dear Dave:

We finished up our arbitration with Narconon of Northern California on Thursday. Here are some things that you may find interesting.

1. Narconon of Northern California renamed the corporation as Halcyon Horizons and then renamed their dba.
2. Halcyon Horizons has not renewed their license agreements with Narconon or ABLE. (No more 10 percent of the gross or about $1.2 million going to the Church of Scientology)
3. They have stopped teaching the Narconon/Church of Scientology programs.
4. No more saunas or toxic vitamin bombs.

These changes were done about two months prior to the start of the arbitration. Without blowing my horn too much, I have to think that the changes were due to the fact that someone finally spent the time and energy to actually go after the factual misrepresentations in the Narconon advertising.

It was very clear at the arbitration that the factual representations made by Narconon regarding their success rate and the sauna reducing drug cravings were completely unsupported by any competent factual background. Their own expert and hired shill doctor, Dr. Stephen Stein, (on retainer for $13,500.00 per month) admitted that there is no evidence that sauna treatment reduces drug cravings.

As regards to the vitamins, the testimony was evasive as to when and how much vitamins are given. However, there was no evidence that the vitamins have any effect on drug cravings. Further, the evidence was clear that vitamins given in the amounts prescribed are toxic both in the short and long term.

If any other responsible attorneys would like to talk with me about their own brand of Narconon, please feel free to give them my contact information.

Cordially,

JOHN P. HANNON II
Attorney at Law
Capitola, CA

We think this also tends to support what Mike Rinder has been saying about Miscavige’s changes to the Narconon system. Miscavige is giving up on larger clinics, replacing them with boutique centers to cater to celebrities and others who might be less inclined to sue. The vaunted new rehab center opened in the old Larry Hagman estate in Ojai, California, for example, only has six beds for patients. The new clinic Scientology wants to put in Maryland and not far from Washington DC will only have 20 beds. Compare that to Narconon Arrowhead in Oklahoma, the system’s former flagship facility, which was designed to treat more than 200 patients at a time. After three patient deaths and dozens of lawsuits, Arrowhead is down to just a handful of patients, we hear. And now, Northern California has broken away. Will Southern California, the “Narconon Fresh Start” system, be far behind?

 
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Scientology’s 2015 in review: The stories of August

Another day closer to 2016, we’re continuing to look back at the stories that mattered the most to us this year here in the Underground Bunker. In this post, we’re remembering the stories of August.

As the month began, we were in London on our book tour, hanging out with John Sweeney. While we were there we heard from a loyal reader of the Bunker who also happened to work in the British government. He offered to give us a special look-see around the Parliament building, which allowed us to get a view of the Clock Tower that even the locals don’t normally get…

 
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We also got to hoist a pint with Sweeney in a hidden pub deep in the Parliament building. Wow, we felt special. And we felt that way again giving a talk, with Sweeney and our publisher, Humfrey Hunter, in front of a full audience at Conway Hall. The drinks afterward were special too, with a motley crew gathered by Bunker regular i-Betty.

On August 6, we felt compelled, again, to address a tabloid story that was full of holes. No, Will Smith did not get a “refund” from the broke-ass, shuttered Scientology school he had financed in Southern California. Sheesh. The truth was spelled out quite plainly in public records, and was pretty much the opposite from the story being promoted by the tabs.

A few days later, Tiziano Lugli supplied us with an exclusive. You’re no doubt familiar with photographs of Tom Cruise and Scientology leader David Miscavige joyously opening the new Madrid Ideal Org building in September, 2004. But now, we had video of the speech that Tom gave on that occasion — in Spanish! Yes, to please the locals he gave a little inspirational pep talk about Scientology en espaรฑol, and it’s something to behold.

It was in August that Scientology threw its latest curveball at Laura DeCrescenzo and her forced-abortion lawsuit against the church. We were on hand when she overcame, in dramatic fashion, the church’s motion for summary judgment in 2013. A trial in her lawsuit, first filed in 2009, was finally set for Dec 7, 2015 after she got past that hurdle. But then, this summer, Scientology filed yet another motion for summary judgment, and it’s caused everything to be moved back. This time, Scientology says it can treat its workers however it wants, and any attempt to examine that by a civil court is a violation of its First Amendment religious rights. Laura answered the motion and a hearing was schedule for December 15. But Judge Rolf Treu punted, asking both sides to submit new filings, and moved the hearing back to March.

On August 19, we had one of the more surprising stories of the year. Scientology watchers from way back know how important the “Fishman Papers” were to the battles of the 1990s as Scientology tried to fight back against the early Internet’s ability to spread its deepest secrets. If many of us had read the Fishman Declaration back in the day, what had happened to Fishman himself? Thanks to a document one of our researchers managed to track down, we learned why Steve Fishman is today serving a 21-year prison sentence for a fraud completely separate from his Scientology days. As much as we love breaking news about what’s happening to Scientology today, there’s nothing that gets us quite as interested as filling in unanswered questions from Scientology’s past.

A week later, we put another nail in the coffin of those tabloid rumors about Tom Cruise leaving Scientology. Our correspondent in Bogotรก sent us news that Tom Cruise had visited the new Ideal Org there, and even sent us a photo of Tom inside the new Scientology church to prove it. That Tom, always doing his bud Dave a solid.

On August 28, we had a little legal bombshell go off. A San Francisco judge called for a trial to determine whether Scientology drug rehab centers are getting patients high before admitting them, so they can then charge their insurance companies for withdrawal services. Wow. Although this trial won’t happen for a year or more, we can’t wait to see it unfold.

Finally, the month closed out with a really amazing new chapter in the life of Paulette Cooper. In London she met Peter de Hoo, whose father, Sijbren de Hoo, had been one of the people responsible for saving Paulette from being shipped to the Auschwitz death camp in 1943. Also, while she was in London, she got together with Bunker regulars at the Old Nick, the same pub where we’d repaired after our Conway Hall appearance. London loves Miss Lovely!

 
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A LOOK BACK AT AUGUST 2014: We remembered Denise Brennan on the occasion of her passing. Mary Sue Hubbard’s house finally went up for sale, as we had predicted. And Kim Poff and Michael DeLong filed lawsuits over the troubling behavior of Oklahoma state officials who were too afraid to take on Scientology.

A LOOK BACK AT AUGUST 2013: Leah Remini filed a missing-person report on Shelly Miscavige, PZ Myers read A History of Man with us, Gerry Armstrong helped us tell his tale, and Monique Rathbun filed her harassment lawsuit.

 
BEST OF 2015: Our personal picks for stories we’re most glad we got to write this year:

January: Being on the scene to write about the Going Clear Sundance premiere
February: A shocking tale of Scientology mistreatment of the mentally ill in Tennessee and Arkansas
March: Sylvia DeWall is declared and faces the loss of her family, and we get to hear it on audio
April: We dig up the true story of Tom Cruise and Mimi Rogers
May: Paulette Cooper appears in Hollywood two blocks from Big Blue
June: Scientology illegally hacks Mike Rinder and your proprietor with a PI who takes the fall
July: Scientology’s little day care of horrors
August: Why Steve Fishman — of the notorious Fishman papers — is today serving 21 years in prison

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Hey, girl. This Brummie wants to traipse with you through a dictionary.

 
SciBrum

 
Signs of expansion! Well, in the Ukraine and the Nation of Islam, at least. Great strategy, Dave.

 
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BOOK NOTES
3D-Unbreakable

We didnโ€™t get a chance to include photos in our book, so weโ€™ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Our book tour is concluded for now. (But you can re-experience it through this nifty interactive map!) We’ll let you know about future appearances. Previous events: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24), Phoenix (9/15), Cleveland (9/23), Minneapolis (9/24), Portland (9/27), Seattle (9/28), Vancouver BC (9/29), Sydney (10/23), Melbourne (10/25), Adelaide (10/28), Perth (10/30)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 28, 2015 at 07:00

E-mail your tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. Here at the Bunker we try to have a post up every morning at 7 AM Eastern (Noon GMT), and on some days we post an afternoon story at around 2 PM. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

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UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

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SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer
The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
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  • nottrue

    See gals Shelly is not missing. Here is a picture of her in the forest feeding the chipmunks….

    • Where in the hell did you find this pic?!

      • Rasha

        Seriously! Those Howdy Doody dolls are collectibles!

      • flyonthewall

        it was an ad Miscavige did back in the 90’s for Xerox paper

        • Hahaha! And how perfectly shreddable it is.

          • flyonthewall

            and easily stolen from govt buildings

    • Chee Chalker

      Lots of short women in scientology…..

      • The tall ones are standing in a Hole.

      • Ben Franklin

        The biggest mystery for me is why the majority of current, and former female Scientologists are natural redheads.

        • Liberated

          That’s because Mary Sue Hubbard was a redhead. Very popular.

          • Ben Franklin

            But even before Mary Sue Hubbard, there were many redheads in scientology

            • Sherbet

              Like the Carrot-top Conman himself.

            • Ben Franklin

              It is one of those things that I can never figure out whether there is some kind of natural appeal built within the DNA of Scientology for redheads

            • Sherbet

              Somebody told me today that red hair originated in Scandinavia. I have no idea if that’s correct or BS. Not that it has anything to do with scientology.

            • Ben Franklin

              Someone say it originated in Ireland & Scotland.
              Just joking.

            • Kim O’Brien

              gingers have no souls . this is a documented fact . and if they have freckles ..each freckle represents a pock mark for a curse that was set upon them . oh ..and if you don’t eat your vegetables …you will wake up as one .

              I had one really bad babysitter when i was a kid ….she told me that story ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • salin

              lol!

            • Supper Powers

              This is true.

            • Sherbet

              Yikes. Nightmares.

            • daisy

              What if you were a redhead ? Is the curse lifted.?

            • salin

              And all Norwegians are blonde. Well, not in my family.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              all Norwegians are blonde

              Only those who drink a lot of akevitt.

        • flyonthewall

          an even bigger mystery than that is why redheads are not allowed in the Epsilon cult even though they are basically the same cult as Scientology

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Fact??? Well there’s one reason for me to join.

        • villagedianne

          Recessive genes?

    • madame duran

      You know those women had no choice but to smile for Kim Jong-Dave (seriously…what’s on the paper he’s showing that is so hilarious? Someone’s poor stats? Auditing notes of an embarrassing confession? A stick figure drawing? Silly Scientology ads from yesteryear?). Perhaps they’re laughing in the hope that he will take a fancy to one of them and she’ll earn the “honour” of being his mistress.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Maybe it’s TC’s files..?

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          TC’s measurement from the Penometer in the Super Power building?

          • Kestrel

            Just for the record, they keep the air conditioning going full blast at the SP building.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      “And then I said to her, ‘Shelly can you get out of the car and check the back tire? I think’s it low. And so she got out and that’s when I sped off. Last time I saw her was in my rear view mirror.”

    • flyonthewall

      “and then I made them all play musical chairs, LITERALLY!!”

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      “…and then here’s the part where I said, ‘If he dies, he dies!'”

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      “…but when you turn the drawing upside-down, it’s a fat lady pulling up her girdle!”

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      “… and this is the list of the schlubs who each gave me $10 million for one of those big ugly trophies.”

    • anoni81b4u

      Picture stolen and shooped ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Liberated

    I must stop and recharge. Don’t be too funny, and Do Not Start Fighting again. I mean it!

    • flyonthewall

      them’s fightin’ words!

  • Jimmy3

    I’m sorry that this has to be said near the end of 2015, and in such a civilized community, no less. But, please, PLEASE DON’T EAT ANY DICKS. Please. If you or a loved one are threatening to, or subtlety hinting at eating dicks, please know that there are other options. The best-case-scenario option is to simply not eat any dicks.

    There are many people and many resources available that can help you before you decide to eat a dick. These are people who care greatly about this, because they care about their dicks. Speaking personally, I can tell you that I have one, and it has always been there for me. I don’t know what I would I do if it was eaten.

    You have options. Don’t eat a dick. Thank you for listening.

    • Chee Chalker

      Now you tell me……

    • Ben Franklin

      Jimmy, you worry too much.

    • flyonthewall

      I’ll show you. When the chips are down these…these civilized people, they’ll eat each other

      eta – maybe even each others dicks. They will probably start with the dicks now that I think about it

      • Rasha

        NOT TRUE. ME GET DOWNVOTE ROCK. MAKE FLY APOLOGIZE!

    • SucculentDuck

      However, if you must, make sure it is Succulent. I’m sure at least 5 people here will get a chuckle out of that. To the rest of you, eat a duck.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      But… it’s so delicious in its own way…

      (refresh)

    • Kim O’Brien

      i had some wonderful Shweaty balls over the holidays

    • Clementine

      Does this include bully sticks? You’ll break my poor dog’s heart.

    • noseinabk
    • Rasha

      Yep, I’ve checked…

    • pat k

      This summer I procured a beautiful Austrailian wool blanket that hubby adores. Today I noticed the label. It was made for Richard Cox. Not for human consumption …

    • TheMirrorThetan

      I got news for you Jimmy. If the zombies attack one day and there is a food shortage, then I will be eating all the dick I can get my hands on and BBQ. Meat is meat and better me than the Zombies.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    O/T: My alone-time vacation is going swimmingly. (F5) Time for a DVD marathon. See you early in the AM Bunkerites. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • SucculentDuck

      Respect. Lem was truly an inspiration to me. His music, clever wit, and rockโ€™nโ€™roll
      swagger made this world a better place. It was an honor to have been in His presence many times and there are no words for the feeling I had when the band I was
      in from 2005-2009 was invited to open for them for a run of HOB
      shows in SoCal. He will be missed, never forgotten.

      • Thank you.

        • flyonthewall

          you heard of 3teeth?

          • I knew he had health issues, but didn’t know the extent.
            Anyone else with his lifestyle would be dead around 35.

            • flyonthewall

              Lemmy? I don’t know Motorhead really, I’m sure I heard their stuff before. I was talking about an LA industrial band called 3teeth. They’re opening for Primus and Tool on the 2016 tour I’m going to when it comes to St. Louis in January. They’ve got a Ministry/NIN feel.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Idrild_Xs

            • Thanks. Will check ’em out.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      I just read about it. My condolences.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Whaaaatttt??!! Damn. I thought Lemmy would outlive all of us, including Keith Richards.

      • order66

        Keith Richards has been legally dead since 1969.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Fair point.

    • order66

      A metal god and a hero of mine. There for a while I honestly thought the dude couldn’t die. This year, we lost Dusty Rhodes, Roddy Piper (no more bubble gum to chew or ass to kick), Christopher Lee, Wes Craven, Gunnar Hansen (Leatherface), and now Lemmy. Our heroes are mortal.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Roddy…Shit, that was this year, too…I was weaned on the WWF and Roddy was one of my all-time favorite villains.

        • order66

          Best talker the business has ever seen. He was a great heel, but eventually the fans would always turn him babyface.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Indeed. Move over Mouth of the South, Roddy was the real sheriff in town. Did you know that he resurrected Piper’s Pit as a pocast a few years back? One of his first guests was Hacksaw Jim Duggan. I almost cried.

            • order66

              Listened to a few episodes of that podcast. Jim Cornette was a guest a couple of times, and those were my favorite episodes. Grew up watching Hacksaw Duggan in the old Mid-South territory in Oklahoma. Ted Dibiase, Dr. Death Steve Williams, Junkyard Dog, the Rock-N-Roll Express, The Freebirds, The Von Erichs, Kamala, Jake the Snake, all came through that territory.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Awesome. So many memories, yeah? Superfly Snuka was one of my first faves, back when I was but a wee thing. Sad where he’s ended up…

            • pat k

              His son Colt was doing wrestling here in the Portland OR area. It was fun to see another generation in action.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Oh yeah?! I didn’t know that. Man, that family business is a tough line of work. But I still have a soft spot for it, I can’t help myself.

        • order66

          Kayfabe News, a wrestling news parody site, once ran an article “Panic Grips Nation As Piper’s Bubblegum Supply Runs Low.” Hilarious.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Priceless. I love it.

        • pat k

          Hubby had him as a row mate on some cross country flights. Rowdy Roddy was a great man.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Aw, fun experience! Roddy was one of my favorite men to don a kilt.

      • Brotherhood of Man – Motorhead

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSodCuo73ig

    • order66

      Beavis and Butt-head are watching a Ramones video in which Lemmy guest-stars.
      Beavis: “Hey, it’s Lemmy! What’s he doing here?”
      Butt-head: “He’s Lemmy. He can walk into any damn video he wants to.”
      So true.

    • Juicer77

      Songwriters are vastly unappreciated in their talents. RIP.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Don’t know which is worse– hearing that Meadowlark Lemon died, or learning that he was 83.

    • Kim O’Brien

      i thought the same thing…”dead, sad face “..” 83 ??!!! ” …i feel ..so , not young

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        No, he was 70.

        • Rasha

          Lemmy of Motรถrhead was 70. Meadowlark Lemon was 83.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Oh thank you Rasha.

            • Rasha

              For a sec, I thought “Lemmy” was a nickname for “Lemon”…. then I facepalmed….

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              That is what I thought. Maybe I should go to bed!

  • villagedianne

    I hope Miss Tia is still a Disqus member.

    • Kestrel

      Her profile still exists, so there is that.

    • TexasBroad

      Um, just stopped in after a fun day in Austin, vacationing with my teen son and the first comment I see is “I hope Miss Tia is still a disqus member” – should I even scroll? Do I want to know what kind of day we’ve had?
      In other news, the Austin Org is still boarded up.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        In other news, the Austin Org is still boarded up.

        I’ll upvote that!

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        So the Austin Org is expanding through increasing its square feet of plywood used?

    • salin

      ?? I still see her – not understanding your post.

      • villagedianne

        It’s a pretty long explanation to get into. Load a bunch of comments and do a search for “Rick” and you will see what.

        Miss Tia was pretty angry (understandably) and wrote this:

        Miss Tia flyonthewall โ€ข 2 hours ago

        synchronize watches….we’ll delete our accounts at 7pm!

        I hope it all got straightened out.

        Edit: I see you were in on the whole discussion, maybe you just missed the comment from Miss Tia that I quoted.

        • Supper Powers

          She’s pretty pissed. It may take some time.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Oh no, I hope it blows over. She went after Rick in Indianapolis, who is a recent out, bravely recovering ex, and then Tony stood up for Rick and said to commenters to quit trashing him. I think we all need to chill out and have some hot cocoa. This community is important, and even if we get into tifs, we are family and we are stick with each other.

          • villagedianne

            Rick lobbed a crude personal attack on her.

            • pat k

              He was requesting some hand holding on what should have been an innocent inquiry( what does DBA stand for?) He was told to google it. As a never in it appears that those who were in have some gaping holes in regard to social cues and happenings. None of this required eff bombs. But as an adult a little Google inquiry can avoid looking less than stellar.

            • OOkpik

              I’ve seen plenty of “googlable” questions asked here and never thought that anyone would think the asker less than stellar because of it.

              Part of the problem was that Rick referred to his query as a low level Q (question), which was interpreted as saying Tia had a low IQ. When the personal attacks began, the wheels fell off – understandably so.

              Tia is fistey but has a good heart. That doesn’t mean she should be expected to tolerate verbal abuse from anyone. She’ll be OK.

            • Cedilla

              Which post/date?

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Thank you villagedianne. I did not see that earlier but I just tracked down the post. Yes, I can understand her reaction and I noticed Tony commented he let Rick know he didn’t appreciate Rick’s rant after Tony stick his neck out for him.

  • CoffeeWalk

    Please let me know if I am misunderstanding this…the facilities are still scientology, but they are not using the practices they were before, and they have been renamed? Won’t this aid in their deceptive practices of gaining members when they are at a weak point in their life? If the red flags and warning beacons are removed, then won’t more people easily fall into scientology by deception?

    • anoni81b4u

      click to comment to “sort by best”
      read first one

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      If you change the comment filter to “Best” you will see Tony’s comment clarifying some of these questions ๐Ÿ™‚

  • anoni81b4u

    I still love the photos on this blog ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      The Tall Cult Member has a little kick in his stand. Hey girl.

      • anoni81b4u

        I did not notice at first either.
        I wonder if he knows John Travolta ?

        • Enturbulated Masterbator

          The High Priestess of $cientology did not have sex with that masseuse!

  • anoni81b4u

    Last one of the day (stolen from nottrue)

    • order66

      Is it just me, or does this picture of The Diminutive One kind of look like Vince McMahon? I keep finding reasons to hate both of them.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd
    • Rasha

      “Massarrge” LOL

    • Kim O’Brien

      and now this is on my facebook page

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        There is a whole series of these.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      The way he pronounces “massage” is hilarious. He has to be the same guy who does the Sad Cat/Dog Diaries, right?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Yes, it sounds like him. Hope he got paid well from Friskees.

  • Rick (“fReSh”)

    ……I’m really tired of being mocked, picked on, and being held under some friggin imaginary comment-post-police every time I even say a word. All I did was ask what the DBA stood for, figuring since 99% of the people on here are nice decent helpful and encouraging people, and someone would just state it so I could go back to reading the rest of the story. Then ‘Miss Tia’ has to be insulting and rude outta NOWHERE for NO REASON, and not only that…. 4-7 ppl click up-vote on it. So I’m not going to take it anymore. I am very respectful and compassionate, and I apologize for my anger earlier and going off with f bombs and biatch words, but I’m not gonna take shit from people I don’t know [who don’t REALLY know THIS RICK P!), but jesus ch*st guys, give me a break… I’m not lyeing about any part of my: what yall call ‘Scien-History’ whatever.. I don’t even like talking about my time in the Church, I do not want notoriety or people to be “awww poor baby Rick”…. I come here just to fill the whole that was left when I realized my church was in fact a money making scam.. And reading Tony’s post every morning & along with Mike Rinder’s, Shelton’s, and even hilarious Aaron,etc. [*on a side note: he has the same sense of humor as me & every-time he busts out laughing I can’t help but do the same, lol]… It re-enforces the thought that I made the right decision and that there are TONS of people just like me, people in a helllllll of alot longer then I have that are there for you and understand what you are going through. This is NOT something I am proud of, just having to explain to my 12 year old the whys what & wheres-whatever’s is pride swallowing and embarrassing… I don’t come here to talk about me, I come to discuss the stories T gives us every morning and if at all possible, sometimes a chuckle here & there from some of the ‘Bunkerro-ites’ are really are funny as hell. So I do apologize to Tony for using street language on his site, and to anyone I offended, but if you were on that list, or on the troll Rick trip that’s been going this past week, I am not sorry. However, I do kind of feel sorry that I don’t feel sorry…. I don’t know… THAT IS ALL

    P.S. = If I want to write *Rick in Indianapolis* I damn well WILL. It’s always been my signatures on YouTube, blogs, etc. It’s how I find other central Indiana Hoosiers & make more friends… You don’t like it? You don’t have to read my posts. There are enough wonderful nice people on here who could care less…..

    *************************************

    RICK in INDIANAPOLISSSSSS!!!!!

    *************************************

    • Rick (“fReSh”)

      Spellcheck correction = *Hole* not whole.

    • Supper Powers

      Rick, take it easy. You have to know you are a very unique poster. Your language is different. The way you talk about the church is different. Your comments are sometimes provocative yet you won’t elaborate. All this adds up to some of us wondering what your story is. That being said, posters here can get very enthusiastic about protecting exes and calling out those they think are not real. To a certain degree, you have to appreciate that. The place people come from is good. Perhaps Tony will tell your story and we will better understand you. And you can let the shame CoS burdens you with go.

      If you want to talk, email me at thesesupperpowers at gmail.

      • daisy

        I don’t particularly like Miss Tia sometimes, but it would be a shame if she quit. She brings a lot of support and compassion to the table. A valuable unique perspective that would be missed.

        • B4you

          I really like honest people ๐Ÿ™‚

    • pluvo

      Thank you for the extensive explanations, Rick.

      “This is NOT something I am proud of,…”
      – You might consider reading “Scientology & Hindsight Bias”: http://www.alanzosblog.com/scientology-hindsight-bias-ex-scientologists-deadliest-disease/

      Just because I feel like it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM

      • Rick (“fReSh”)

        Ty pluvo i will, thanks friend

        • OOkpik

          Hang in there, Rick. There is room to grow for each of us, if I may be so bold. You do have friends here who are willing to help smooth your path if you let us. Easy does it.

          • Rick (“fReSh”)

            Totally agree. Thank you for the kind words =)

            • OOkpik

              You are welcome, Rick.

              At the time of the flare-up, I personally thought you were being provoked over a simple question. A suspicious few were mislead by wrong ID information from a search of your name. Also, “Q” was misconstrued as meaning IQ and tempers flared. Please keep in mind that some of the commenters have never been in Scientology and are not familiar with all its terms. Others, having been deeply scarred by Scientology’s abusiveness, are somewhat reactive.

              Although you were practicing admirable restraint at first, things got very heated very quickly when personal attacks were launched. Let’s face it; your “dick” comment was highly offensive, especially to the women, and I was not surprised by the backlash.

              Live and learn. Nobody can change the past but we can certainly forge our futures. Put this behind you and move on.

              It’s best to step back when hackles begin to rise and before things get ugly, and to ignore unworthy comments. The Bunker can get pretty rowdy when toes are stepped on but there is much good to be found here. I personally have found it very rewarding, after a painful flaming over a stupid misunderstanding on my part, to have worked my way back into this community. If I had a choice, I would want that for you too. Forgiveness is not beyond the vast majority of us…nor is understanding and compassion. I believe the same is true of you.

              Whether or not you choose to come back here, Rick, I wish you all the best in your journey.
              OOkpik

            • Rick (“fReSh”)

              I never left my friend, its just that for certain reasons after T and I have spoken, I chose to just stop commenting to let that stuff ride its own path, I’m still here, I just don’t post much anymore because I just seem to be one of those people who take anonymously spoken posts and sometimes over-react, and I truly respect what Tony’s doing too much. and out of respect for T and the good people here I will keep silently, I can be a huge a**hole so that’s why I decided not to post lately. Thank you for understanding and looking into the matter, I wish you nothing but the best too friend. You guys will see me in the future, and see I’m a pretty fresh friend =P LoL… Much Luv to you and everyone else on here, I truly mean that! P.s. Feel free to always shoot me an email and we can talk more in-length and on a more personal level, you or any of the other good/nice people here. [RickPeavlerJr@hotmail.com]… XoXo to all you loving friends! =P

              Sincerely, [You guessed it….]

              ***RICK in INDIANAPOLIS***

            • OOkpik

              Are you still here, Rick?
              I think of you now and then and wonder how you are doing. I hope you are well and happy and enjoying life. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Rick (“fReSh”)

              yes im here sorry, just been lurking for a few months but am back now to partake in this community of uniting =) Thank you for keeping me in your thoughts… I’m still checking this webpage daily (usually 1st thing, well 2nd right after my coffee that is) but you can find me on FB as well, usually in the “SPs ‘R’ Us” group <3 Much Love

            • Rick (“fReSh”)

              PS. Your post was dead-on in every aspect 100%. Thank you!!! =)

    • Oh I’m so glad I came back for one more look tonight. Putting this all on me? Uh huh. I was giving you a sarcastic answer, you took it personally, then yes, things escalated. Just yesterday I replied to someone similarly when they asked for information that was google-able and gosh they took it quite well.

      Then Tony posted a bit ago claiming your story was legit, threatening us with banning, though he wrongly claimed we were saying you were OSA. You got no grief from him for your language towards us “fucking retards” who should “go eat a dick”. And I concur, that ESMB thread is out of line and should have been deleted. You are under no obligation to tell us your story, but you tease us with things, then withdraw when asked questions.

      And now you wanna whinge some more RICK IN INDIANAPOLIS? You won prick, you won. Ban me Tony, IDGAF. Now everyone validate rick, i’m the baddy and heap on the abuse, name calling, etc as this will only empower him.

      I worried about deleting my disqus, but why the fuck do I care? Screen grab this while you can.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Please don’t go forever. I’d miss you.

      • B4you

        Take a deep breath! nothing is going on but the rent!

      • Tony Ortega

        Calm down. I told him I didn’t appreciate this rant after I stuck my neck out for him.

        He’s a young guy coming out of Scientology with fucked up family problems. He’s not really equipped for your snark here.

        • Okay, thank you, that gives me pause for thought. Much appreciated.

          • Sherbet

            But Tia, if you leave, we’ll never know what happens to Eddie, the squirrel brothers, or the losers next door.

            • OMFG EDWARD phoned me tonight cuz HP called him today—I typed up a letter for him to mail them, did I link to that here?? It’s a damn good letter if I may say so myself. Let me find the link on google docs, long but it covers everything……i’ll remove his phone # and addy …written from HIS perspective and i refer to myself as his sister as it’s just easier than saying best friend…. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KFckk2nBd_7RiLcyvV4DuMYhz_BMKPYSB22wWMtGS94/edit

              so he calls me saying they called him in response to his letter—a case manager supervisor…..they left a message on his answering machine with a # and extension for him to call back to resolve the issue….i ask for that info AND HE WANTED ME TO COME OVER AND LISTEN TO THE MESSAGE!!! dude, you can’t fucking jot down a phone #? that took TWENTY MINUTES!! ::headdesk:: i told him i would call tomorrow and get him the free set up…..he then said:

              when i get another set up call you’ll be here sitting with me right?
              NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              why not?
              dude, i felt myself AGE that week you put me thru hell, no no no no fuck no
              how will they understand what i’m saying?
              speak english?
              i do speak english
              are you NOT capable of reading the fucking questions i emailed you in the first place to ask during set up?
              i guess, so i’ll just ask for a download help
              WHAT?!
              don’t yell
              fuck you, what are you talking about, what download?
              they’re suppose to help me download
              DOWNLOAD WHAT?!?!?
              STOP YELLING
              NOT UNTIL YOU MAKE FUCKING SENSE!!! DOWNLOAD WHAT!
              that cloud thing i have
              i’m coming over with the sledgehammer
              you’ll call tomorrow?
              yes i will and if you READ the emailed questions you READ THEM AS I WROTE
              you won’t come over at all when i do that?
              i will turn off my phone and go run the streets
              i might be on all day
              i’ll stay away all day

              GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The idiot squirrel brothers were fighting over a female squirrel today……it’s mating season, but their fighting is more like play wrestling and the female squirrel sort of looked at ’em like “i’ll just find a q-tip thanks” and found some other squirrel in another tree……

            • Sherbet

              And it’s a normal day in Miss Tia’s neighborhood.

            • I don’t call it the Land of Misfit Toys for nuttin’! ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Sherbet

              It sounds like a neighborhood even Mister Rogers wouldn’t sing about.

            • Aw, but there’s many beautiful days in the neighborhood!! Especially when Robinette Ct. beach is open and the Goodyear Blimp is flying around! ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Robert Eckert

              it’s a pitiful day in the neighborhood…

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Ok Miss Ria, that is it. THIS is why you cannot delete your discus! I would love to meet Edward.

            • he’s coming to howdycon, i’m making him…..

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              That is perfect. I am wondering whether to go. I so want to meet all of you. But I do not wanted to be outed, and I am sure OSA will be watching. Iy is a bit of a quandary.

            • I hope it gives OSA an opportunity to see people gathering and having a great time together! ๐Ÿ™‚ I really wouldn’t worry about that, though I understand if do.

        • Nat-leficent

          “He’s not really equipped for your snark here.”
          So what are we supposed to do? Not snark?

          • I am assuming, due to the circumstances he has, he’s not equipped for snark probably here or anywhere. Some people don’t get sarcasm/snark.

            • Cedilla

              If Rick hangs out here long enough he will learn to snark.
              He’ll get the hang of it.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Some people don’t get sarcasm/snark.

              Such person/persons shall henceforth be referred to as ‘a section 28’.

            • LMAO!!! Oh my stars how i’m laughing!!! That took me a second too—I admit it!! ๐Ÿ˜€

            • Robert Eckert

              Long as he’s not a 26

        • Supper Powers

          Would have been nice if you backed him up without insulting and threatening the ban hammer to your readers.

          • B4you

            I really don’t blame him. Sometimes this place can be like opening the door into a turkey farm! ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Oh I am so glad you are here Miss Tia! I missed you even though it was just a couple of hours…

      • noseinabk

        Please don’t delete the account Tia. I hate when I read old comments and cant tell who posted what since they are deleted or listed as guest. http://themidnightalliance.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/dont-go.gif

      • Cedilla

        Tia.
        Do not delete.

        I re-peat.
        Do not delete.

      • Liberated

        You’re still my hero.

        • Thanks Liberated! ๐Ÿ™‚

        • salin

          And a side benefit, of a side/off-shoot conversation – tonight connected a kindred concerned spirit with whom I can exchange Indy and B-ton references with – and maybe sometime have RT coffee, tea, water or other beverage with interesting conversation.

      • pat k

        Tia please have a meditation and know we got your back & get your humor. This has always been adult discussion. Then a sophomore element joined. Your guidance could be quite beneficial. The ranting brings me to make a parallel to the miniscule one’s behavior. Let’s have a do over tomorrow.

        • Cedilla

          Meditation my ass.
          What would be more amusing is arbitration.

        • let’s please NOT do this day over again, please?

          • Liberated

            Are you kiddin? I don’t know when I’ve had more fun.

            • Okay, can you please email your phone #? I’d like for you to spend time on the phone with Edward while he asks you computer questions and I’ll sit and listen—that’ll be fun for me! ๐Ÿ˜€

          • pat k

            It is a term from my children’s childhood that means all is a fresh start not a repeat. They would get a “do over” with no leftover guilt or judgement. Just m little concept that worked for us.

            • ah!! i often say “I’ll try again tomorrow” but i never think of it as redoing the day! ๐Ÿ™‚ Just trying to start a NEW day! i know what you meant now! ๐Ÿ˜€

      • salin

        Miss Tia, don’t delete. My earlier butinsky/presumptious for a newbie post was in concern, based on participation in a different site, of where this could escalate to. You are some serious glue for the community here. You have given me support – that before I could not have imagined that virtually such support could be so helpful in real time.

        • virtual friends are real!! ๐Ÿ™‚

          • salin

            ((Miss Tia)) Very real. Very appreciated.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            You’re my friend, Tia, and I don’t want you to go (to delete).

            • I’d hate for you to start frowning again.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I just read that as “frothing again”.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I don’t want to start doing that again either.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Me too.

          • Robert Eckert

            virtual friends are often realer than real-life friends, for me anyhow.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Oh my Miss Tia, it would be a lot duller Bunker if you weren’t here. That means it wouldn’t be as fun. We would have to depend on Jimmy3 for jokes. Your haikus, your snark, your stories of Edward and customer service and derring do…

        • thanks! โ™ฅ

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            I would do a heart in my comment if I knew how!

            • hold the ALT and then hit the 3 on the numeric keypad on the right! ๐Ÿ™‚

      • villagedianne

        In a reply to me way down thread, Rick apologized for his language on the comment in question. I’m not sure I know how to link to a comment, but it’s way down around where he posted the original crude remark. Here is the link, I think:

        https://disqus.com/home/discussion/theundergrondbunker/monday_77/#comment-2429854863

        • Robert Eckert

          For future reference: easiest way to get a link to a particular comment is to right-click (or whatever is the alternate to the ordinary click on whatever device you are on) at the time-stamp (to the right of the names, says “14 hours ago”) and you get options like “open in new tab” (I use this instead of Refresh, to see an attached picture without losing my place in the existing tab) or “Save link address” which puts on on your clipboard, for pasting into a post.

          • villagedianne

            Thanks Robert, very good info.

    • B4you

      Your fine with me Rick and remember ppl here are dully old farts! ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Sherbet

        All of us? Jeez, thanks a bunch, B4you. //polishing my cane and sipping my prune juice//

        • B4you

          *lol*

          • Ben Franklin

            I remember you had it rough too commenting here during your first few days.

            • B4you

              Ya! you right ๐Ÿ™‚ there was a reason i found out. It’s a year ago and at that time i could be Mayer of my town. Something is going on from the moment you find out for real that you had been conned for 30+ years. It was like sitting in a rocket!
              Nat really nailed it down for me (among others) and i learned from it! It is really a problem ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Ben Franklin

              I hear you.

        • pat k

          Look what happens to your mind when farts are held in.

          • Sherbet

            People become like lrh?

            • pat k

              Following the breadcrumbs well

          • B4you

            This is what happen to an OT with powers who did just that F5

            • Sherbet

              Oh, gosh, that’s funny. Crude and awful, but funny.

            • B4you

              and it’s not shooped. it is like that! I think…

            • Sherbet

              It looks like you could drive it undersea, too.

            • B4you

              ya! and bring with you as luggage!

            • Ben Franklin

              LOL. It is a work of art. Looks like a giant fruit

            • Sherbet

              Limemobile

            • Ben Franklin

              Is this Jimmy3’s automobile?

            • villagedianne

              I don’t get it.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s implying that if one farts in a smart car, that it will blow up like a balloon, because it’s so small.

        • daisy

          Yeah I was going to get in an argument about that issue, then realized I groaned as I repositioned myself and didn’t really have the energy to start a fight tonight.

          • Sherbet

            The Bunker has room for only one fight per day.

            • Nat-leficent

              It wasn’t a fight.

            • Ben Franklin

              it wasn’t a hug fest though

            • Nat-leficent

              So?

            • Ben Franklin

              If it was a hug fest, there would be no issue

            • Nat-leficent

              omg. profound.

            • Sherbet

              I know. Just remember scientology is the real enemy here.

            • Nat-leficent

              Respect to Sherb.

            • Sherbet

              And to you, Nat.

            • daisy

              Sorry I was being silly, I realize it was a divisive exchange, and I should know better than to try humor with fresh feelings. I apologize.

            • Nat-leficent

              Never apologize to me Daisy-Doo! You have a funnylady-pass.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Vodka and prune juice?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              WTF? That is just wrong.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              You might be right. Drunk and lots of fiber sounds dangerous.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              A recipe for disaster!

            • Rasha

              Up there with “Bourbon and beans, a potentially explosive combination” -James T. Kirk

            • daisy

              You may be joking but I think I will try it tomorrow.

            • Sherbet

              Not sitting on the Bunker couch, you’re not.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              That Depends…..

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I see what you did there.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              You have that brand on your side of the pond too?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Yup. I sincerely hope I never have to use them though.

            • daisy

              I don’t know what your problem is , I wear a diaper. and Juicer had my end recovered in plastic.. I almost never cry anymore.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Let us know how it is.

            • daisy

              WILL do.

            • daytoncapri

              That is an old Johnny Carson joke…what is Bar Drink called a Pile Driver?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Good old Johnny.

    • daisy

      Start tomorrow fresh, all will be well. We are all on the same side.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Rick in Indianapolis, I am so glad you are out. Free. You can think, do, and say whatever you want. And that includes sometimes being rude (please don’t get upset and call me names and I wish everyone in the Bunker were always kind and polite since we are on the same side!) and getting called on it – but that is part of real life, and I am glad you are here!

  • I’ve seen the occasional drama here and elsewhere for years. People come and go, most stay. Priorities.

    • TexasBroad

      DodoTheWiser

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Wise Fun Hat Man.

    • SP Wogsy

      Drama in the Bunker again? You don’t say.

      • daisy

        Pretty girl back yeah!

      • Hi.

        • SP Wogsy

          Hi <3

      • Jimmy3

        Holy shit. How did you escape?

    • Jimmy3

      Fuck off, Dodo. And then have a Happy New Year.

      • Sherbet

        Was that the text on your Christmas cards?

      • Ben Franklin

        Somewhere there is a laser tag with your name on it.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Oh man, is there a laser tag place or maybe one of those fast go-kart places we could go in Cleveland for HowdyCon?

      • ..

  • Mickey Bitsko

    Just popped in to point out that the “clock tower” of the Palace of Westminster in London was officially named Elizabeth Tower in honor of the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee in 2012.

    But anyway, keep up the important work and a happy new year to you, your contributors and your readers.

  • Sarah James

    I read Tony’s post today and found out Captain David ” let him die” Miscavige is calling it quits for NarCONon in northern Cal. My first reaction was…pancakes, yes pancakes. I have not had pancakes in almost a year. And I love pancakes. Had I known this was going to happen I would have had blueberies on hand, but even without I made some great pancakes. For the rest of my life Dec. 28th is going to be Pancake Day.

    • Sherbet

      Happy Pancake Day to you.

      • Sarah James

        TY ๐Ÿ™‚

    • villagedianne

      Whole grain?

      • Sarah James

        Buttermilk.

    • daytoncapri
      • Missionary Kid

        I love lingonberries. I grew up eating them. They’re better on Turkey than cranberries. The problem with that recipe for me is oats. I’m allergic. Why not Swedish pancakes (the recipe is very close to crepes) rolled up with lingonberries in the middle? That’s what Swedes do, IIRC.

    • Ella Raitch

      Mmmmm! Pancakes!!!

  • SP Wogsy

    And I told myself I wouldn’t peak but I had to! So, here’s a Dick we can all chew on F5

    It sure was one epic year Tony! Thank you for all that you do <3

    • Nat-leficent

      “Peek” not “peak”.

      • SP Wogsy

        Gah! Thx. Damn, glad you weren’t my English teacher!

      • Jimmy3

        She just got out of his basement ffs and you’re already trying to get banned over it.

        • Nat-leficent

          Wogs says she appreciates it! It’s how I show love.

    • Rasha

      …..Wogsy?

      • SP Wogsy

        That’s me!! ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Rasha

          WOOOOO!!!!

    • flyonthewall

      hey I know you

  • daytoncapri

    One of the things that I found so attractive about Scientology was its promise of making one immune, even transcendent to ugly remarks, and, in so doing, to make oneself ” more able”. I learned something about buttons being pushed, how people could gain control over me by pushing my buttons, and, by inference at least, vice versa. Today, If I were out just for lulz, I would troll about and push buttons. Back then, I took those early TRs very seriously, really worked on the Bull baiting techniques, as I believe it was important to gain control over myself…and others. Much has changed since then…and I am an Ex. But sometimes, an insult, especially the really pathetic one, does not cause me to get angry. Nowadays, I sometimes find myself laughing at the sheer absurdity of it. Now, if you want see me angry, you would have better chances if you tell me that my close friend deserves to be fair gamed.

    • Nat-leficent

      Way to have those TRs in, you homonovis you.

      • daytoncapri

        Why Nat, that was sweet AND snark-like. Well played. Eta…you got me smiling ๐Ÿ™‚

      • B4you

        you could compare it to acting! That ‘stage-fright’ thing, is gone. It can be useful or extremely annoying.

        • daytoncapri

          Later in life, I got past stage fright too, thanks to the Larry Storch School of Acting.

          • Missionary Kid

            I went to a school of truck driving and dance. It helps when you steer your partner around.

            • daytoncapri

              Mine were correspondence courses. How about you?

            • Missionary Kid

              My lessons were in person as a teenager from girls. When I now occasionally teach younger women to swing dance, I tell them that when I push, they push, and when I pull, they pull.It’s a kick to see them all of a sudden be doing something in concert with someone else when they dance. I’m not that good, but they don’t know it, so I tell them that I went to Acme School of Truck Driving and Dance.

              When I see people doing swing, it’s not the type that I learned. They’re usually doing moves that come from the 40s, and it’s so damned choreographed on Dancing With the Stars. I used to sneak out to parties and dances in the late 50s and early 60s. What we did was more smooth and not so frantic. People call it “touch dancing”, I believe.

              I had to sneak out to dance because, while the church I was involved with wasn’t as stringent about dancing as the Baptists, it was frowned on. I remember something being said from the pulpit that could only apply to me.

          • B4you

            i am at the point where i do my own stunt’s. like community service and stuff!

    • Missionary Kid

      You truly seem to have survived and prospered. One is truly over an experience when they look back and say, “I was a part of that?”, as if it occurred to someone else. It seems that you’re there. Good.

      • daytoncapri

        Yeah, but still crazy after all these years…See what happened? I just implanted a musical body thetan in your brain…you are quite welcome.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m not worried. Since I don’t believe in either the Devil, god or thetans, it doesn’t matter to me.

          In the rare times that I see my ex. I find myself thinking, “I was married to her? How is that possible?” Then, finally, the thought occurs to me, “Thank goodness I’m not. Her poor hubby.

          • daytoncapri

            OK MK…happy for your escape to a better life also.

  • Sid

    “No case on post.” “Keep your TRs in.” “The biggest barrier to production is human emotion and reaction.”

    Scientology can be a process of suppressing emotion. Sometimes exes (like myself) can take a bit of time to strike a proper balance. Please be patient with those who may be a bit ‘passionate’ at times.

    • Sherbet

      Sid, you’re very wise and sensitive. I always like your posts.

    • Nat-leficent

      This ^^^^

    • Ben Franklin

      The biggest barrier to production is laziness, human emotion and reaction can sometimes make one produce like a machine. Fact.

      • Sid

        These quotes were just a few Hubbardisms.

    • pluvo

      It was: “KNOCK OF YOUR HE&R!!!!!” (HE&R= human emotion&reaction).

      • Sid

        Yes, I seem to remember your version better.

    • Juicer77

      Always. Chris Shelton put it very well in his video when he said he was learning to express emotion again – that anger and sadness are not only healthy but should be expressed. That constant Co$ uptone-ness must have serious and long-lasting emotional consequences.

      • Draco

        You have no idea! I consider it one of the most damaging long term consequences.

        • Juicer77

          Actually I do have a bit of an idea. Not on the same scale, and in a different form, but yeah. Being told your emotions are wrong and should be hidden is harmful.

          • Draco

            I am sorry, Juicer. I didn’t mean to presume… (((Hugs)))

            • Juicer77

              No apology necessary! I think what makes the Bunker special is the empathy between all different kinds of people, from different experiences.(hugs back)

  • Vaquera

    O/T from the O/T:

    Tonight I am anxiously awaiting my first snow event since moving from Texas to Vermont this past year. As the sun set my vista was scruffy and greyโ€ฆwith the sunrise all should be covered in a several inches thick blanket of white. Yes, call me a cotton-headed ninny muggins, but darn it all, I’m excited.

    • Sherbet

      It’s always pretty, especially the first snowfall.

      • Vaquera

        This afternoon I was at the grocery store shopping as if it was hurricane season.

        • Sherbet

          Milk! Bread! Flashlights! Bottled water!

          Or maybe you were buying more adult stuff to weather the storm.

          • Vaquera

            You forgot batteries, but otherwiseโ€ฆYES!

            • Missionary Kid

              Generator to keep your TV and computer working, and batteries for your TV remote. ๐Ÿ˜›

            • Vaquera

              Hey Kid, my first thought about a generator was to keep my electric blanket at a toasty setting.

            • Missionary Kid

              I happen to have a real cozy sleeping bag that helps when it gets cold. Electric blanket not needed.

            • Sherbet

              Are you hitting on Vaquera?

            • Missionary Kid

              You missed it. We’re already betrothed. ๐Ÿ˜›

            • Sherbet

              Wow, apparently, I’ve been snoozing. Can I be flower girl?

            • Missionary Kid

              Only if Vaquera says it’s OK.

            • Sherbet

              “Mrs. Vaquera Kid” sounds like a Gene Autry western.

            • Juicer77

              XD

            • Vaquera

              Matron of Honor, sweetie.

            • Sherbet

              //off to buy fancy boots//

            • Vaquera

            • Sherbet

              Awesome.

            • Vaquera

              Yesterday, my daughter was saying that they are the only pair of footwear that she can’t steal from my closet because her calves don’t fit in the boot shafts.

            • Sherbet

              Well, hooray for that.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            “Or maybe you were buying more adult stuff to weather the storm.”

            That’s rather forward of you.

            • Sherbet

              Beverages! Adult beverages! That’s what I meant! 8-/

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Once Vaq mentioned batteries too, I could not resist.

            • Vaquera

              I was going to go there, but dared not and deleted. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Sherbet

              I hate to admit it, but virginal Sherb’s mind went there, too, right along with L. Wrong and you.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I’m rubbing off…..oh no, that doesn’t sound right either.

            • Vaquera

              STOP!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Is that the safe word?

            • Sherbet

              “Batteries” sure isn’t.

            • Vaquera

              bwa-hahahaha!

            • Vaquera

              hilarious.

        • Rasha

          The basic necessities are eggs, bread and milk. Apparently, French toast will fend off blizzards. Oh, and Rasha gots an honest-to-goodness hot water bottle for super warm feet.

          • Sherbet

            Are “they” still saying sleet and slush for the morning commute?

            • Rasha

              “Wintry mix”, at least in central Mass., so it’s not even snow anymore. The other drivers will be more dangerous than the road conditions.

            • Sherbet

              Welcome to winter in Massachusetts.

            • Rasha

              mm-hmm

            • Missionary Kid

              “Wintry mix”, is that a cold Wheat Chex snack?

          • Missionary Kid

            At a Christmas party, someone made French Toast out of Panatone bread. Delicious.

            • Rasha

              I will do that. This is factual.

            • Missionary Kid

              They baked it in a large flat pan. It was so delicious it hardly needed any syrup.

    • TexasBroad

      You cotton-headed ninny muggins, you! Thank you for that. It will be the only time in my life to call anyone that! Truly, I do not even know what it means (but hey, I’ll google it – no worries).
      Enjoy! I moved to Texas to escape snow, but it is truly beautiful and peaceful!

      • TexasBroad

        Ahhhhh! I need to watch that again.

        • Vaquera

          Finallyโ€ฆ.someone gets it.

          • beauty for ashes

            <3 cotton headed ninny muggins!!!!!!!!! :):):):)

        • Ella Raitch

          Christmas has passed and you didn’t watch Elf?

        • Robert Eckert

          That was the Christmas movie in our house.

      • aquaclara

        Elf, of course.

    • OOkpik

      You – you cotton-headed ninny muggins!
      There. I hope that makes your evening complete. <3

    • Supper Powers

      Are your pipes insulated? If you’re not sure, keep a light trickle of water running overnight in all the faucets. And enjoy the snowfall and some warm brandy!
      Edited for spelling

      • Vaquera

        I’m at my sister’s house. She lived up here for 25 years. It’s all good.

      • Rasha

        …now I wanna know what you misspelled…..

        • Supper Powers

          Trickle was trifle. Nothing exciting.

          • Rasha

            …darn. ๐Ÿ˜›

      • Missionary Kid

        I know it’s late, but Vaquera is a hot momma, so she don’t need no insulated pipes. ๐Ÿ˜€

    • salin

      Where in Vermont? My cousins have a vacay home near Woodstock. Spent one of my favorite Christmases in beautiful blankets of fallen Vermont snow.

      • Vaquera

        After Texas, everywhere is close to everywhere in New England.

        • salin

          Very true. I should have just said -“Winter in Vermont! How lovely! Enjoy.”

    • madame duran

      *shouts to Vaquera’s sister*
      SHE AGREED TO SHOVEL FIRST!!!

      • Vaquera

        Is that like calling shotgun, only in reverse?

    • Missionary Kid

      You’ll have to do what this old Swede told me they do in Sweden when it snows.

      Let it snow.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I do hope Observer is still about.

    From the Facebook page of John Mappin (he of Camelot Castle hotel infamy), contemplating what it would be like for the Queen of England “and her wonderful family” to receive Super Power “technology” ๐Ÿ˜€

    THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND GAVE AN EXCELLENT SPEECH TODAY – As she so eloquently put it.. “It is better to light a Candle than to curse the darkness”. Can you imagine what might happen if she and her wonderful family were to receive Superpower technology and fully understand the wonderful breakthroughs of Scientology. Make sure you are fully briefed on it here is a good place to start..[CoS link]

    https://www.facebook.com/john.mappincamelotcastle/posts/10153143297511277?__mref=message

    • Sherbet

      Is that man for real? I seriously doubt he’s completely sane.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      What are you still doing up? Isn’t it like 4 AM where you are?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        She might not have all of MEST figured out, but I think she’s got the T part down pretty well.

    • OOkpik

      *runs for the barf bucket*

    • Sarah James

      Super Power and the crown. Captain David ” let him die” Miscavige should give it a try. Hehehe.

      • Sherbet

        Now he’ll want to be His Royal Highness King David of Miscavige.

        • Sarah James

          He already thinks of himself as the queen.

          • Sherbet

            Queen? Only when he plays “Bohemian Rhapsody” for Musical Chairs.

    • Ben Franklin

      “It is better to light a Candle than to curse the darkness”.

      It is better to expose the evil in Scientology than to complain about it.

    • salin

      Gack! The sea of delusion is quickly receding everywhere except for places like John Mappin’s mind.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        The Kool-aid is strong with this one.

    • B4you

      What he is saying is – The Queen needs to get an oil change!

    • madame duran

      If she were to become a Scientologist (God forbid and a very unlikely scenario since she is the head of the CHURCH OF ENGLAND), the monarchy would fall in an instant. The people would not tolerate Hubbard’s alien nonsense and those who already favour a republic would have reason to rise in revolt. The only people on the face of this Teegeeack that would even remotely think it’s a good idea are fellow Scientologists.

    • Ella Raitch

      Like the monarchy need that loon on their side…!

  • Rasha

    Okay, who hasn’t clicked the heart? HMMM???

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Oops…I made amends, I swear.

      • Rasha

        (crossing arms and tapping foot….) …okay.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh no it was me. I was distracted by drama.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    I’ve managed to defeat my Ninja brand blender after two years of smoothies. I just used Tony’s Amazon link to buy an Oster Versa Pro model. Don’t have the money for a Vitamix and this Oster gets rated by users and in comparison tests as nearly as good as the Vitamix, plus it’s got a 7 friggin year warranty. Not bad!

    • pat k

      Love my vitamix but it was a gift. Oster shall do you well. My sister also put a ninja to rest this year. Long live the green drink!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Nice gift!

    • SP Wogsy

      Blendtech is the best.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        But then I’d consider trying to blend things I should not. Will it blend? Let’s try!

        https://youtu.be/Yx4QgK_xEfE

        • SP Wogsy

          Best.Blender.Ever.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Do you have one, or did you work at Jamba Juice?

            • SP Wogsy

              I used to have one. And gave it away when I left to Florida. Now, I have a Ninja. Good, but not Blendtech good.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              When the hell did you move to Florida? What part?

            • SP Wogsy

              This was a couple of years ago when I was a Scientologist. I left all the furniture and cookware to my ex when I left to Clearwater. Worst regret ever was leaving that blender behind!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Basic Communication Course : $50
              Moving to Clearwater, Florida : $1200
              Blender left behind : priceless

      • Missionary Kid

        I like the Bass-O-Matic.

        • pat k

          That’s what the hubby calls the vitamix

    • i’ve always wanted a vitamix!!

      • pat k

        My boys got it for a Mother’s Day gift. They just like to make margaritas in the summertime. But it did change my life.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Do tell….That’s quite a statement.

          • pat k

            I started with the green drink recipe from dr oz & adjusted to my taste. Old vegetables and fruit have new purpose…..either smoothies or frozen cubes. Carrot soup is the bomb! My cheese sauce for mac cheese is phenomomenally creamy….need more?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I like it!

        • margaritas can change lives!

          • pat k

            June!

          • Newiga

            and tequila can change stomach contents……… not that I’ve ever experienced this….. I mean… that’s what I’ve been told….. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        They’re great, but as the free market will do, other brands are pushing at their doorstep.

        • still want vitamix!! ๐Ÿ˜€ i suppose it’s like brand named shoes and off brand shoes…..of course i don’t even have a regular blender…. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Vitamix: The John Lobb of blenders. Does cure your want?

            • Oh dear….i confess, it does just a little, but it doesn’t fully dampen it!!

  • daisy

    Can one of you explain why my e-mail is not longer getting your responses. It is working somewhat as my bld donor appt. confirmed today, Tony’s new column is there. I think it is just your responses not coming. Can someone shed some light.

    • pat k

      Check settings?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      First question: Do you really WANT all of those email notifications? If you follow along at the top of the comment section, there is a little circle next to your username. When you have upvotes or replies, it will turn RED and show you how many. Click it and a window will pop out with all of the replies in chronological order. Much simpler than a constant barrage of emails IMHO.

      • Vaquera

        So says the popular kid.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Pffft! Half my emails would be from Daisy herself….the upvote queen. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

      • daisy

        Thank you LRH that is really helpful . It is going to take a little getting used to , but in the end probably easier.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I’m replying and upvoting. You go refresh and the little circle will tell you that I’ve done so if you click on it. Even if you don’t refresh the page, you can click the grey circle and it will take you to updated replies…unless Disqus is acting up.

          • daisy

            Got it thank you ! What do you mean up vote queen, not sure if that is an insult or not. I do up vote a lot because I like most conversations, Thank you again really.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Not a bad thing Daisy.

            • daisy

              This is sssoooo cool. Thank you again

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Now, if Disqus straightens itself out and you start getting the emails again and do not want them, click your username by the circle and find the “edit settings” tab and click it. Then find the Email Notifications tabs tab and turn that garbage off. Quick, someone stop me before Edward calls looking for computer support.

            • daisy

              Edward and I definitely similar.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I expect nothing in return…except maybe a few batteries if I get sluggish.

            • Vaquera

              You’re on a roll tonight.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              And with that, I’ll see myself out. G’night, Texas. May you awaken to a snowy winter morning.

            • Juicer77

              LOL!

            • Too late!!! Expect his call in 3, 2…

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        whoa, I did not know that – thanks, L Wrong!

  • Rasha

    ‘Nite, Bunks. We’re all good, right? Everyone all set? Daisy needs some wisdom greater than Rasha’s regarding Disqus, but other than that, I think I can leave it to y’all. …such a family… Big hug.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      A hug back atcha, Rasha! G’night!

  • Vaquera

    Another O/Tโ€ฆmy daughter is in Austin having food truck Torchy’s Tacos and now my tummy is growling. f5

    • TexasBroad

      That’s what my son and I had tonight too! At the South 1st Trailer. Still munching chips. One of these days, we might find ourselves in the same city at the same time and I will buy you a drink.

      • Vaquera

        That’s the one! She likes Trailer Parks and make ’em trashy! I’ll hold you to that drink.

        to add: For those who don’t know the lingo, making any order “trashy” means smothering it in chili con queso.

    • pat k

      Now I am planning tomorrow’s lunch…and I am not making it.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Put those away before Bury sees them! You have no idea what she’ll do.

      • Vaquera

        It was bait.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Well played. Bury bait.

    • Juicer77

      Oh, for real Tex-Mex and not the stuff they call it here in the UK! I seriously drove 90 minutes to get Rotel and green chiles. I was desperate, I tell you! Desperate!! ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • seriouslyWTF

        After growing up with real Mexican food, tex-mex just doesn’t do it for me.

        • Juicer77

          True! What’s your favorite dish? I have only had real Mexican food a couple of times, and could never reproduce it. So I just do the cheater’s Americanized version.

          • seriouslyWTF

            I love green corn tamales, caldo de queso, Calabacitas, enchiladas, and just about everything else. Calabacitas might be my fav, and it is something you can make very easily.

      • Vaquera

        Hope you picked up a couple of cases.

        • Juicer77

          I would have loved to, but the storage space here is at a premium, to put it very politely. Also my trusty little car is small. ๐Ÿ™‚ It takes a new mindset to do 3x weekly shopping for small amounts, rather than buying obscene amounts of things and stashing them away every few months. In some ways it’s a good thing, I guess.

  • Most of you probably don’t care, but Lemmy wrote a whole bunch of songs for Ozzy.

    • pat k

      I do & TY.

      • Thank you.

        • Was coming here to post it and saw your post ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Juicer77

        I’m sorry but this song is forever linked in my mind with Zombie Nightmare from MST3K. XD

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Lol. MST3K really can take over your life. I know – I am also a victim XD

        • To me, it’s the Young Ones! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Supper Powers

    Is it weird that I’m getting out of bed for left over stuffing and a glass of whiskey?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Is it weird I want a mini-fridge next to my bed?

      • SP Wogsy

        Is it weird that I am the only one who drank the pitcher of Iced Bery Sangria? No joke. Nobody else liked it. Bunch of beer drinkers. Uuugh.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Oh, I’d have some. I’m not a beer guy…..at all. Blech! I sent some dark chocolate brownies with a little layer of goat cheese in the middle to my family. No one liked them except me, so I took the rest of the box home with me. Did I plan it that way? Maaaaybeeeee.

          ETA: Now I must have one. 15 seconds in the counter-top gamma ray machine ought to gooey it up nicely.

          • SP Wogsy

            haha! good plan ๐Ÿ™‚

            • beauty for ashes

              WOOOOOOOOOOOOOGSY!!!!!!!!!!!! :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)3<3<3<3<3<3<3!!!!

            • SP Wogsy

              Hiiiiiiii! <3

          • beauty for ashes

            Did you make them~ they sound like heaven?!!
            Ps~ how many did you eat on the drive home? ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Vermont brownies made them for me.

            • beauty for ashes

              Can’t admit , even to yourself, how many you ate on the drive home? I kid I kid <3 glad you had a good holiday:)

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Drive home? Did you not see my airport saga the other day? I got home at 730am after a 6 hour delay. No brownies for me sadly.

    • i just realized it’s midnight…..fuck, i gotta go to bed!! night!!

      • TexasBroad

        Night Miss Tia.

        • morning TB! ๐Ÿ™‚

          • TexasBroad

            Good morning Miss Tia — it’s a fresh, new, beautiful day! Glad you stayed.

            • I always wonder how they do that…..you see some photos of what they do on the top of coffee/cocoa? then it’s like, do you want to ‘destroy’ that and drink it?

      • pat k

        Sorry the Bengals lost to the Broncos – still a good game. Last Monday night game of the season it was!

        • i don’t keep up with sports…..

          • pat k

            It’s my default tool. I had to keep up with it when I was in corporate America and it has been something I divert my emotions toward when they get too heavy. Today I am making kolachky ( bohemian cookies) and the off to see Star Wars for the second time.

            • I actually know what kolachky is!! My greek grandmother would make them!!

              I was always ‘strange’ (gasp! i know i know) when i had jobs in corporate america and i never tried to fit in…..i never even kept my eye rolling and sarcasm in check…..

            • pat k

              It kept the boys club above & below me wondering what wall I was going to bounce off of next. I always knew where there distractions were and tried to use that to my advantage. It has come in handy with a connection to the son in law. Bless him he really thinks I care about the nfl! Apricot is my favorite flavor. Sissy & my children like raspberry & hubby goes for the poppy seed. I just know that freezing my dough makes it puff higher and parchment paper is my friend!

            • She never had a written recipe for anything, just tossing things together. I know she put the dough outside for awhile though—in the winter.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Get a good night’s sleep. See you here tomorrow!

    • TexasBroad

      No. No, it isn’t. Crap!!
      “OK Google…where can I find leftover stuffing and whiskey in Austin?”

      • Vaquera

        It’s a new taco!

        • Juicer77

          I see you there… xoxo (f5)

    • Supper Powers

      This combination is spectacular.

    • Juicer77

      Juicer approved!! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    G’night Bunker. I leave you with a sleepytime soundtrack:

    http://spottedpeccary.com/shop/found/

  • Ella Raitch

    No idea what has been going on but clearly a bit of drama. Seems like a good time to post some completely tasteless Australian humour, full of adult words and with scenes of real animals hunting other animals

    https://youtu.be/dpvLj_OB-Y0

  • Lady Squash

    It was a really good year! Thank you Tony for moving the ball forward and keeping us informed. The Bunker is my home away from home. Hopefully next year will be even better.

  • Lady Squash

    Does anyone know the real story about how Narconon came into being. Here’s the story I heard. Back in the early 80’s someone at Narconon told me that it had been started by an ex-druggie who felt Scientology had gotten him off of drugs. He then started Narconon (as his own business) and then the Church took it over. Can anyone confirm or deny this.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      That’s the story I had heard. By 1977, I had heard that William Benitz (?) had been in prison and had read “Fundamentals of Thought” by Hubbard and he felt it had helped him. He started Narconon and started correspondence with Hubbard. I don’t think they were confident in his continued leadership as it became known as involving Scientology. He may have had other issues, such as having been in Jail. A succession of people from the Guardian’s Office doing the “Social Coordination” capers had taken it over because if it failed then Scientology would be blamed. I remember a John Duff who was at one time a director of it.

      Once the ‘Purification Rundown’ was invented by Hubbard with his quack science, they had something that could be sold and franchised. I think the original idea had been more along the lines of the ethics formulas and something descended from Alcoholics Anonymous.

  • OOkpik

    A sleepy good morning to you, Friends.
    Pic

    • Juicer77

      ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Juicer77

    Okay, so I have my new sewing machine all set up, doing some mending and hemming. Starting to really feel like normal now. LOL
    PS It’s a teeny tiny thing, barely longer than my scissors – another genius English space-saving device. Learning to adapt and be flexible is a good thing!

    • Supper Powers

      It’s like Amelie, but with sewing.

      • Juicer77

        I WISH I was a gamine and pretty as Audrey Tatou! I’m more like the garden gnome. LOL

        • anoni81b4u

          Some men like garden gnomes.
          Yes I have garden gnomes.. all real men have garden gnomes.

      • Supper Powers

        Oh you’re adorable. I bet even more so when you’re darning socks, darlin.

    • Bunker Buggy Betsy

      Ooo, I’m an avid sewer. Just finally finished a crazy quilt. Primarily crafting and quilting. Next project, fun & crazy ukulele cases.

      • Juicer77

        For real ukuleles? or is that code for something? LOL

        • Bunker Buggy Betsy

          No, for real, actual 4 string, ukuleles.

          Started playing uke in April, can’t put it down. Better than drugs!

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7579484e0aeafc3864debd419ae513407998eafc7687f30e2c434ffdcc642046.jpg

          Oh, major “coincidence”. After I posted this pic, Scientology’s own luminaries, Jive Aces emailed my ukulele friend at his shop. Interesting.

          • Juicer77

            ๐Ÿ™‚ That’s awesome!! Looks like you’ve nabbed some fun gigs, too.

            • Bunker Buggy Betsy

              Just a couple of open mics. I’m not really a performer. Just a once in awhile. Just for fun.

              The fellow playing w me is amazing! He sold me my uke. Been playing for 30+ years. Was a privilege!

              I’m just a beginner.

  • This is slightly off-topic… but I’m currently looking for my mates’ little girls’ excaped hamster. Are there any hamster wranglers out there who might give me a clue as to how to flush him out?

    • Juicer77

      Yikes! Not a hamster person… but maybe try putting a couple of boxes with small openings on the floor as hiding places? Then use a broom handle to *gently* slide underneath furniture and shoo him out. Or if he’s used to a carrier, leave it open on the floor with some of his bedding and he may find his way in by smell.

      • Trouble is, he was only bought yesterday and has absolutely gone to ground. If he hears you searching, he will instinctively freeze rather than run. You have to find the little beggar first…

        • Juicer77

          Any chance you can borrow a “friendly” trap from the humane society? (they have pressure plates that close the door) Maybe if you leave some yummy food in there he will take the bait.

          • Thank you. Iแธฟ currently fetching a big one from my house… Why are my New Years always surreal?

            • Juicer77

              Hopefully the pressure plate is sensitive enough for a hamster. Best of luck!

            • Trap set… If Pringles doesnยดt turn up in the next 18 hours we are going to have to buy another hamster (and a more secure cage).

            • Draco

              Karma – y’know – 2001: A Space Odyssey?

            • Open the hamster cage door Hal
              Iยดm sorry Dave – Iแธฟ afraid I canยดt do that.
              My names not Dave… never mind, Iยดll do it myself…

    • daisy

      They have humane mice traps. Use peanut butter on the bait.

      • I have some of them – but this is a whopping great Syrian Hamster who is too big to fit through the holes…

      • *Sigh* Iยดm wlaking home now to fetch my Humane trap… how do I get into these situations?

    • Bunker Buggy Betsy

      Mine always ended up turning up. Little Houdinis they are!

      I would wake up to a hamster sleeping in the headboard shelf.

      Hopefully s/he didn’t get out entirely!

      Good luck. (Humane trap sounds like a good idea)

      • You are right. Heล› just eaten the trail of hamster food I used to lead him to the trap entrance, but not gone inside. Heล› still in the room, but I canยดt find him.

        Is there a sub-species of ninja hamster? I suppose, if there was, nobody would even know

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          Please tell us the end of the story when it arrives.

          I’m sure there are been-there/done-that testimonials of animal handlers on the internet somewhere.

          • I will.

            I didn’t think a question about a hamster on an old thread would provoke so much interest, but I suppose humans just love stories (and hamsters) and need to know the end.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03
          • Thanks.

            He’s snaffled some hamster food I left out, so I suspect he’s in the little ‘uns bedroom where his cage and and a big humane trap are waiting for him so we’ve done everything right (even the peanut butter).

            Still waiting, though.

        • Bunker Buggy Betsy

          Hamtaro count?

          I recall catching mine once when he finally emerged, waddling along the floor. But, mine was tame, and knew me.

          I stopped keeping them because they live such a short life, and I was heartbroken when they passed. But they gave me a lot of joy when they were around.

          Please do let me know how it goes. I’m rooting for you!

          • I’m back home, now, but will update.

    • daisy

      Have your friend found the Hampster ? If bad news , lie to me. I have a fondness for rodents.

      • He (that is Pringles the hamster) ate the hamster food I used to lead him into the humane trap, but didn’t get caught. He’s alive, but still in deep cover.

        I left a note, locked up and walked home. Father and daughter will be back tomorrow morning so will see what happens then.

        If you doesn’t turn up it’s time for a new hamster and a more secure cage. Of course… then we probably <will

        The younger brother of the hamster owner’s dad once kept fancy rats, and once you get used to the idea they seem to be ideal urban pets.

        • daisy

          I don’t know why I find your predicament funny , but I do , sorry

          • It’s in the hands of father and daughter, now. For additional laughs, see my reply to Sandy.

    • Sandy

      OH, I MUST know how this story ends! I have had both gerbils and fancy rats who have gone to ground. Have had my husband yell upstairs to me “get up! I hear the animal feet on the floor!”

      • I once looked after a hamster at my house. He escaped too, but this chap was tame.

        I was in bed, fast asleep and woke when I heard a scrabbling among my clothes. I thought I had mice but, no – there he was a plump golden hamster looking at me.

        He had opened the door of his cage, climbed two flights of stairs, wandered into my bedroom & was exploring… of all the places he could gone he came an found me.

        Was it just astonishing good luck, or was he looking for people? If so, how on Earth did he find me?

        I still tell the owners (now 12 & 13) this story, and they still laugh.

  • PoisonIvyHerself

    Wow – this is indeed a victory! No more saunas, no more vitamins. Who knows, maybe there are a few misfits in these centers who made the fatal mistake of actually CARING about the addicts they are supposed to be “treating.” Maybe they’ll actually get qualified to do this work. I know I’m an optimist, but it COULD happen, now that they’re free from Dave….

    I have the same question as MLT – are the denizens of these centers still Scientologists? Or did their experience with the courts show them the light?

    I have one more questions that perhaps our economic experts could answer – how will the monetization of Dave’s new “network” play out? Will he charge much more for the smaller bed facilities? Will he have many more of them? Without the “bulk” treatment that the previous network provided, he’ll have to do something to make up all that lost money.

  • Jonathan Cummings

    I wonder if COB will mention in his yearly speech the remarkable growth Narconon has had in northern CA? I love it when David Miscavige has a big public FLUNK like this mutiny in northern CA. This news makes me especially happy as I live in the bay area, so a big FUCK YOU to the Tiny Little Fucktard is definitely in order. Now all we need is all the other fake rehabs using L Ron’s bullshit remedy for drug addiction to follow suit!