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The story of Brian Sheen and his ‘disconnected’ Scientology daughter you haven’t heard

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The story hit Thursday night at about midnight, just as we were putting to bed our own piece about a Scientology day care scandal.

A local television station in South Florida reported that a man named Brian Sheen, 62, had filed a “civil rights complaint with the state” over Scientology’s toxic “disconnection” policy which rips apart so many families. In his case, his daughter, a Scientologist, had turned away from him, and he was being told nothing by the church about why it had ordered her to do so.

It seemed like a juicy story, and over the next 24 hours it was picked up by numerous other outlets, including the Palm Beach Post and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

But the original story was perplexing. What was meant by a “civil rights complaint”? Was it a lawsuit? Was there actually a state agency that could be compelled to investigate Scientology’s cases of disconnection? And would it actually have jurisdiction involving a 38-year-old woman on the other side of the country? Meanwhile, the story said almost nothing about Sheen’s background — had he been a Scientologist himself?

Before turning in Thursday night, we found a couple of email addresses for Sheen and sent him messages asking him to share his documents with us and give us a call.

On Friday, he did. And after talking with him, we realized there was a much more interesting story than was told in the “complaint” he had filed with the state.

This is what we found out.

 

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The first thing that surprised us in our conversation with Brian Sheen was that he had actually sought help from attorneys before he took matters into his own hands.

Really? Anyone we know?

“Ken Dandar. I talked to him about my situation,” Sheen said, and we did a double-take. Dandar? The Tampa attorney who fought Scientology tooth and nail for years over the death of Lisa McPherson, one of the darkest periods in Scientology history? That Dandar?

“Yeah, I talked to Ken about suing them. He told me his hands were tied,” he added.

Well, yeah. Not only because there didn’t seem to be obvious grounds for a lawsuit, but also because, you know, Ken Dandar is currently under a million-dollar go-for-the-throat court judgment won by the Church of Scientology against him that the church, we have no doubt, plans to use to grind Dandar into a fine powder.

But still, points to Sheen for creativity. Who was this guy?

We asked Sheen to start from the beginning. Where was he from? New York, he said. And he told us that he first got into Scientology in 1970 at the New York org.

“At the Hotel Martinique?” we asked, having just written a book where some of the action takes place there.

“Yeah! There by Macy’s, with the nice square outside. That’s where I started my training,” he said.

While he was still just 18, Sheen then went to England to Saint Hill Manor, Scientology’s UK headquarters in East Grinstead. He was there to “go Clear” with the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course, and also to train to become a Class VIII auditor at the “Advanced Org Saint Hill” (AOSH UK).

Sheen laughed, admitting that one reason he traveled so far for the experience was that the conversion rate meant that the courses there cost a fraction of what he would have paid in Los Angeles, the other place where such advanced classes were offered.

Saint Hill Manor had been L. Ron Hubbard’s home in the early and mid 1960s, but now the Scientology founder was running the movement from a ship somewhere in the Atlantic. The East Grinstead manor was still a hive of activity even with Hubbard gone, with families from various parts of the globe coming and going.

Including one family from New Jersey that arrived one day while Sheen was there.

“Whenever I hear the name ‘David Miscavige,’ I still think of that 14-year-old kid I met at Saint Hill,” Sheen says, referring to Scientology’s current leader.

Sheen’s next step was to be trained as the AOSH UK Senior “C/S” — case supervisor — but in order to get that important position, he had to get special training that was available only in one place — “Flag.”

“I joined the Sea Org and went to Flag, joining the ship in Las Palmas,” he says. The Sea Organization was the name L. Ron Hubbard had given the young men and women who were sailing with him and his three ships, the Athena, the Diana, and the flagship, the Apollo, also known just as “Flag.” It was from the Apollo that Hubbard ran his worldwide organization.

“I spent nine months on the ship, training up to a Class IX auditor. I did my C/S internship under Quentin Hubbard. What a great guy. Such a nice guy,” Sheen says of the son of L. Ron Hubbard who later took his life in 1976.

Sheen arrived on the ship in 1973, while Hubbard was actually away — the founder hid out in Queens, New York from December 1972 to September 1973, and during that time wrote up instructions for an audacious plan to infiltrate governments in order to find and purge negative information about Scientology. Hubbard named it the “Snow White Program.”

“I didn’t know where he was when he was gone. They never told us,” Sheen says. But one day in September, Hubbard rejoined the ship, and then, Sheen says, things soon changed dramatically.

“I was a student training for AOSH. I wasn’t a member of the crew. I was sitting there and doing 10 to 12 hours of auditing a day. I was there to study and train. But then the RPF happened, and I wanted to get the fuck out of there,” he says, referring to a new form of punishment, the Rehabilitation Project Force, that Hubbard instituted in January 1974. “Everybody was put on the RPF. The whole ship. I was an affluent-stat auditor, and now you’re treating me like this?”

On the RPF, crew members were assigned to hard manual labor all day, and then had to audit each other at night, trying to find what evil intentions they’d been hiding. Sheen says that the woman who had been named “tech secretary,” Cathy Cariotaki, “turned it into a nightmare.”

“She had us all bowing down and other craziness to this great lord. It was so sick and ridiculous. It was bad enough we had to use toothbrushes to clean the ship. When she came in, I said ‘no more’,” Sheen says.

Coming up with an excuse that he had a sick relative, Sheen managed to get away from the ship, and ditched the Sea Org. He was then hit with a “Freeloader’s bill” of $26,000 — a debt that a departing Sea Org member is told they must pay to make up for all of the discounted courses and free room and board they’ve enjoyed.

A Freeloader’s bill is legally indefensible, but Sheen didn’t know that. He borrowed the money from his mother to pay the bill, then set out to pay her back as he began working at a Scientology mission in Boston, the Executive Education Center, where business executives were recruited to learn better communication skills.

“I was 23 years old. I made a deal where I was working and sleeping in the office, because I had to pay off the money I’d borrowed from my family,” Sheen says.

And it was at this point in our conversation that Sheen explained his mindset. “I was still a Scientologist. But I had always differentiated between the tech and the organization. The organization is crazy, but I thought there was a lot of good workable knowledge in Scientology. So I always kept those two apart in my mind.”

Over the next year and a half, Sheen worked at the Boston mission and also made contacts in the music business. He says he became friends with keyboardists Chick Corea and Mike Garson, who would go on to play with David Bowie. (To this day, Sheen, who wrote music with Garson at one time, makes pilgrimages to the Grammy Awards.)

In 1975, Sheen moved to West Palm Beach to work with a business consultant who offered him a contract. At the same time, he set up his own “Dianetics Counseling Group” and began delivering basic courses as a field auditor. When his business contract ran out, he started working at the center full time.

Then, in 1976 he says, “things got a little insane.”

“I met this beautiful girl at the Miami org. We got engaged, and we were getting ready to get married. But the night before the wedding, the ED of the org talked to her and, I guess, third-partied the shit out of me,” he says with a laugh. In other words, the Executive Director of the Miami org, for reasons Sheen has never understood, badmouthed him to his bride.

“She canceled the marriage. And I never spoke to her again,” he says.

Sheen was shattered. When his old girlfriend Jennifer in Brooklyn offered to come to West Palm Beach to help him get through it, he says it sounded like a good idea. “I guess I was rebounding pretty hard.”

He and Jennifer married, and on May 25, 1977, they welcomed their daughter Springsong into the world.

“We were divorced within a year, and she moved to LA with the baby. We had joint custody for a while, and I’d go out to visit her or she’d come to Florida. But when Springsong started school, she lived with her mom, who got remarried,” he says.

Sheen, meanwhile, moved on to another phase of his life. Scientology receded to the background as his field auditing center closed down and he started working in the financial sector.

“I made one more attempt to do something in Scientology. I think it was 1979, and some reg had regged me to do the Ls,” he says.

In other words, a Scientology registrar had “regged” Sheen — convinced him to spend money — on expensive levels known as the “L rundowns,” which we described previously with the help of former Scientologist Jefferson Hawkins. For tens of thousands of dollars, Hawkins explained, a Scientologist is asked hundreds of seemingly innocuous questions, helping him or her “remember” incidents that had happened millions or billions of years before.

At this point, Sheen was at the highest level then available for a church member, a level known as “OT 7” (the highest level today, OT 8, wouldn’t be released until 1988). So the Ls were supplementary, but still very pricey. Sheen went to Flag, which by now was a set of buildings located in Clearwater, Florida, after Hubbard and his personal navy had finally come back ashore in 1975.

“I was willing to sit there and go through this. I had always found the auditing to be helpful — except for OT 3. But everything else I had found to be useful,” Sheen says. “So I get there to start the Ls, but they brought me into a room and started telling that before I did the Ls, I first had to do this, this, and this. It was something else that was going to cost me another $20,000, and I said, why didn’t you tell me that first? Because then I wouldn’t have come.”

Sheen says he made a scene, demanding his money back for the Ls. “I want it back immediately, I told them. And I ended it.”

He was done with Scientology. But asking for a refund is one of the worst things a Scientologist can do. He got his money back, but Sheen says he was assigned to “lower conditions” — his status in the church itself was at risk.

“I eventually accepted an amnesty that came out the next year, so I was back in good standing,” he says. “That was it. They had nothing more I wanted from them. That was my last involvement with Scientology.”

Despite the way things had worked out with the Ls, Sheen hadn’t been “declared” a “suppressive person” — Scientology’s form of excommunication — and he was satisfied that he’d left the church on good terms.

Meanwhile, he was doing well in finance, and opened up his own firm that thrived in the 1980s. But then in 1991 it all came to an abrupt halt.

The IRS, Sheen says, changed its rules, and tax shelters he’d been using suddenly became liabilities. “My career in finance crashed and burned. I was very depressed. I was seeing a psychologist, who recommended antidepressants. I just watched my whole life blow up. My second marriage was over, I lost my house. I was at rock bottom.”

His broker’s license was suspended, and later revoked. Then, the turning point: Sheen was walking by a yoga and meditation center in downtown Delray Beach, and he decided to take a class.

“I started learning how to meditate, and it made me realize that what I liked most about Scientology really wasn’t Scientology.”

He says he began experiencing through meditation some of the same feelings that had hooked him on Scientology’s early processes, some of which involved staring exercises.

“I got inspired. This is what I was looking for. I dedicated the next five years of my life to researching all of the things that Hubbard had talked about. He talked about the Vedas, for example, but now I wanted to experience it for myself. Or the other things he brought up that I hadn’t actually looked into directly.”

So what you’re saying, we asked, is that you went looking for Source’s sources?

Sheen laughed, acknowledging our use of Scientology’s label for Hubbard, that he was literally Source for all wisdom and knowledge.

“He wasn’t the source! He was a false source. I hadn’t realized this,” Sheen says. “And I’ve been going to the real sources ever since.”

After his five-year journey, he found that the owners of the Delray Beach yoga center were planning to move to India — and they asked him if he wanted to buy them out. And for the past 16 years, he’s built the place into a center that delivers many different alternative therapies. “Hypnotherapy, regression therapy, shamanism,” he says, reeling off several other “integrative” techniques.

Meanwhile, in California, his daughter Springsong was still growing up around Scientology, Sheen says, primarily because her mother was still involved in it. “Springsong didn’t seem to care about it. But then, around 1994, when she was 17, she was doing some courses and she fell in love with a Sea Org member,” he says.

Springsong joined the Sea Org, got married, but then left the SO just a year and a half later and divorced. “Then she just went on with her life,” Sheen says, and insists that his relationship with his daughter was always a strong one. Sheen also says he never tried to interfere with his daughter’s interest in Scientology, or his ex-wife’s. And he says he’s always gotten along well with his ex.

Springsong became a DJ, working corporate events, and Sheen says that today many of her clients are Scientologists or Scientology firms.

 
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Then, last year, she met someone new, and got engaged. “He was very into Scientology,” Sheen tells us.

What’s his name?

“Ryan something. I’m forgetting his last name. His parents were in the Sea Org for a long time.”

Sheen then began telling us that Ryan’s father was an odd guy who wore a ratty T-shirt to the rehearsal dinner for the wedding in San Francisco last November. And things were done on the cheap, with everyone paying for that meal and at the wedding reception the next day, which was just a big meal at a restaurant.

Then Sheen told us what Ryan’s parents did for a living, and our jaw dropped open.

“They own a court-reporting firm,” he said.

Atkinson-Baker?

“That’s it! Ryan Atkinson-Baker,” Sheen said.

Stunned, we went looking for a photograph. When we found it, we emailed it to Sheen.

“That’s them! Those are Ryan’s parents.”

 
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We explained the significance of the photograph to Sheen. It portrays Alan and Sheila Atkinson-Baker, and the trophy they are posing with was given to them to recognize that by the end of 2013, they had personally donated a cumulative total of $13 million to Scientology’s slush fund, the International Association of Scientologists.

Sheen sounded stunned. We asked what else the family skimped on at Springsong’s wedding.

“Everything!” he said with a laugh. “They got married at City Hall — which is beautiful in San Francisco. But my daughter had her friends there taking pictures because there was no photographer.”

 
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Sheen says he got along well with Ryan and his parents. And he joked with his ex-wife, who was there with her boyfriend. There was no indication at all of any tension, or issues with Scientology. Sheen was no longer a Scientologist, but he didn’t care that his daughter was in the church and had married a Scientologist. It just wasn’t important.

So that’s why, he says, the letter he received in April from the church came as such a shock.

It was from the “justice chief” of the “Flag Land Base” in Clearwater, Sea Org member Cara Golashesky. And it informed Sheen that he’d been declared “suppressive” — in other words, he had been tossed out of the church. In order to get back in Scientology’s good graces, he’d have to do a series of “amends” known as the “Steps A to E.”

 

Dear Brian,

A declare order has been issued on you, which states that you have been labeled suppressive and need to do the Steps A to E.

I have attached a copy of the relevant policy letter — HCO PL SUPPRESSIVE ACTS, SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS. This lists out the A to E steps, see tab. Additionally highlighted are the Suppressive Acts you were found demonstrably guilty of and thus the requisite that you do A to E.

The first stop is for you to recant and, once done, to do Step A, which is for you to cease committing present time overts, attacks and suppressions so that you can get case gain. Your only terminal is the International Justice Chief via a Continental Justice Chief. You may reach me at the below address.

Sincerely,

Cara Golashesky
FLB Justice Chief
503 Cleveland St.
Clearwater, FL 33755

 
Sheen says the document made no sense. It had been 36 years since he was an active Scientologist. He had no interest in doing steps in order that he could make “gains” on his “case.” And as for suppressive acts, the attached document listed only generalities. He couldn’t tell from it what he was really accused of doing. He hadn’t criticized Scientology. Not to his ex-wife, his daughter, or her new family, the Atkinson-Bakers.

But he knew the consequences. Once he was declared, any other Scientologist who wanted to remain in good standing had no choice but to cut off all ties with him. And with her new marriage and her business tied up with Scientologists, Springsong would be in no position to go against that order.

“She called me,” Sheen says. “She had found out right after I got the letter. ‘You know what this means,’ she told me. ‘This is crazy, dad. I’ll do everything I can to work on this and get this changed.’

“She then cut off ties to me, and she won’t answer anything. Calls, emails, texts. Nothing. But I understand. She would face being declared herself.”

Desperate to figure out what was happening, on May 1 Sheen sent a lengthy letter to Golashesky that he shared with us.

“It is nearly a month now and you still have not provided me with any of the facts I have requested to address the false accusations against me which resulted in your ‘Declare Order’,” he wrote.

Sheen says he requested a “comm ev” — a committee of evidence, which is something like a Scientology court-martial — in order to hear evidence against him and then respond to it. But his request has been ignored.

In his May 1 message, he quoted from a letter that Scientology had sent filmmaker Alex Gibney, accusing the director of not checking his facts with the church in his movie Going Clear. Sheen said the church was doing the same thing to him, not checking its facts before accusing him of “suppression.”

Getting no response from the church, Sheen then decided to go public. He created a website about the matter, and then, on July 4, submitted a lengthy, rambling “civil rights complaint” to the Florida Commission on Human Relations, a body that actually considers discrimination claims in the areas of employment, housing, and public accommodations.

“The Church of Scientology, through their deliberate actions, has abused my civil and constitutional rights,” Sheen wrote, and asked the commission to interpret Florida law “liberally” in order to step in and stop Scientology’s policy of disconnection.

Our legal experts examined Sheen’s complaint and told us they were not very sanguine about the chances of the human relations commission doing anything with it.

But Sheen, after talking with Ken Dandar and other attorneys, knew that he really doesn’t have grounds for a lawsuit. So he’d sent the complaint instead.

“I don’t know any other way,” Sheen told us. “If someone can tell me another way, I’d like to know.”

We then asked if he would share with us his daughter’s phone number. We told him she probably wouldn’t talk to us — she had already declined to talk to a local television station — but it was worth trying to call her. He gave us the number.

After a couple of rings, Springsong picked up.

We figured we had only a few moments before she hung up, so we quickly tried to explain the situation. Journalist. Scientology. Dad Brian gave the number. Why do you think he’s been declared?

After having us go through things a couple more times — which we took as a good sign — she got her feet under her and began trying to push us away. “I understand what you’re saying, but I’m really not interested in having this conversation.”

We tried again, asking her why she thought her father might have been declared, when he didn’t understand what it was about.

“He knows what he needs to do,” she said, and we immediately recognized where she was going. It was a standard Scientology reply — that Brian had been given instructions by the justice chief.

But, we asked Springsong, Brian is no longer a Scientologist — how can he do his A to E steps?

That one seemed to stun her. Maybe she wasn’t expecting a reporter to use the lingo. She started to protest again, saying she was with her niece and needed to get off the phone.

“What’s happening with my religion is really not anybody’s business,” she said. “This is a very, extremely private matter.”

But we protested, saying that it wasn’t private — her father had gone public with it. We said we wondered if her mother might want to talk further about what was going on, but she said her mother would “absolutely not” be interested.

From what Brian had told us, we continued, it didn’t seem that her mother, or Springsong, would have made the complaint that got her father declared.

“We didn’t,” she said.

And yet her father was declared even though he was in good standing?

“That’s not the case,” she answered.

He wasn’t in good standing?

“I love my dad very much and I want him to sort things out. And he knows what he needs to do.”

Again, we pointed out, how could he do Steps A to E if he was no longer a Scientologist? And why should he be cut off from her in the meantime?

“In the meantime, we just wait it out a bit,” she answered. And then insisted that she couldn’t talk anymore.

So we let her go.

We called Brian back and told him about the the conversation.

“Wait? Wait for what? They won’t communicate with me. I’ve asked for a comm ev, and they won’t give me a comm ev,” he says. “If I don’t even know what I’ve done wrong, how can I make up for it?”

For now, Brian waits. And he thinks he does know why he was declared, and it has nothing to do with his daughter, his ex, or his new illustrious in-laws.

“I think it’s my brother,” he says.

Brian says that his older brother, Neil, has struggled as a Scientologist. “He never seemed to make any case gain at all,” Brian says. But after their mother died a few years ago, she left an inheritance.

“Neil suddenly had a lot of money, and Flag found out. He’s been over in Clearwater for some time. I haven’t really talked to him in two years,” Brian says.

Brian’s theory of what’s going is pure, arcane Scientology: “My brother is at Flag, not making any gains, as usual, and so they’re looking for a scapegoat,” he says. And so someone at Flag has dug up Brian’s refund for the L rundowns from 36 years ago and made it the basis of his declare. “This way, if they target me, they’ll get even more of my brother’s money.”

Purging Brian Sheen from Scientology and from other Scientologists would cut off his negative influence, and his brother could then begin showing case gain and — most importantly — begin to pay for more courses.

It’s an explanation that only makes sense to Scientologists, but we told Brian that it makes more sense than anything else he’s explained to us.

Brian tells us that he wants to raise awareness about disconnection, which is the reason that he’s created a website and is talking to the press.

“I want to gather the stories of the people who have suffered disconnection by Scientology and demand that something be done,” he says.

We point out that such efforts have been going on for years.

“There are Facebook groups that are dedicated just to talking about the victims of disconnection,” we tell him.

“I didn’t know that,” he says.

Brian Sheen is only beginning to make his way, it’s clear. But his story is compelling, and much more interesting than we initially thought. He knows that his daughter doesn’t want to be disconnected from him — something we confirmed on our own in our conversation with her.

Only Scientology, apparently, thinks it’s good and proper to rip apart this relationship.

 
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Conspiracy, conschmeerancy

Well, we don’t have much interest in the conspiracy being peddled here, but hey, it’s your proprietor and John Sweeney in the same video! From Channel 5 over there in Blighty…

 

 
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BOOK NOTES
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We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Our upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
July 12: Washington DC, Hill Center DC-Drummond Hall, Center for Inquiry, 2 pm (with Paulette Cooper)

July 14: Hartford, MARK TWAIN HOUSE, 7 pm (with Tom Tomorrow)

July 17: Denver, The Secular Hub, 7 pm (with Chris Shelton)

July 20: Dallas, Times Ten Cellars, 7 pm (with Robert Wilonsky)

July 22: Houston, Fox and Hound, 11470 Westheimer Road, sponsored by Humanists of Houston

July 24: San Antonio, Folc Restaurant/Park Social, 6 pm

July 25: Austin

July 29: Paris, Le Bistrot Landais, 19:00 (with Jonny Jacobsen)

August 4: London, Conway Hall, (with John Sweeney)

August 24: Boston, Boston Skeptics in the Pub, 7 pm (with Gregg Housh)

Sept 15: Arizona State University

Sept 23: Cleveland

Sept 24: Minneapolis

Sept 27: Portland

Sept 28: Seattle

Sept 29: Vancouver, BC

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on July 11, 2015 at 06:00

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  • RBE
  • While there is no hard evidence for Scientology actually ordering the execution of people, the end result of “ruining” one “utterly” can certainly be despair and death. It’s the intention of Fair Game that’s muderous. Ask Paulette. Ask Noah Lottick. Ask anyone related those poor souls on the Why Are They Dead list who took their own life.

    The long-suffering Butch Pansy was listening to the video from the kitchen and said, “Yeah, I doubt they actually killed Hoffman, but the fact that people would even entertain the thought speaks volumes about the church.”

    • EmmaDaoust

      Another reason for that conspiracy theory is that Christopher Evan Welch, the actor who played John More, the skeptic at the New York party, also died in 2013 – reportedly from heart attack due to cancer.

      • salin

        Creepy.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I agree. Hoffman also played the priest in “Doubt” and no one entertains the thought that the Catholic church would have had him whacked for that. In fact, he had a Catholic funeral service. Can you imagine the treatment a clam actor would have received from the CO$ if he had starred in the “The Master”?

  • Supper Powers

    I hope Brian takes a peek in the Bunker and sees that many of us are here rooting for him. It’s going to be an interesting next couple of months.

  • SS

    Atta boy, Tony! Sounds as though you may have pierced the veil a bit with your “Brian is no longer a Scientologist – how can he do his A to E steps” remark.

    Maybe this will nag at her in the coming days and maybe the seeds of doubt will start to blossom. We can only hope.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Hmmm – I like the idea of buying John Sweeney a drink.
    #bunkerfund

  • MaxSpaceman

    What a great story! Don’t know why for sure but this is my favorite Bunker story (maybe cuz it’s the most recent). Really an extraordinary report.

    OT. David Letterman, Steve Martin & Martin Short. From Raw Story. Video from recent San Antonio appearance. “We met at a Scientology mixer.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfuXYh-BFoc#t=1m38s

    • skiesareblue

      A beard! He’s obviously enjoying retirement.

  • Jimmy3

    I hope the wedding reception was at least somewhere nice, like Applebee’s or something.

    • Vaquera

      During 3-for-1 happy hour.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Is Sizzler still a thing?

      • MaxSpaceman

        used to love Sizzler. back in the day. way back.

        • Eivol Ekdal

          We did not have one in our area, we had a Ponderosa Steakhouse.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Ah… Ponderosa. Yes, there were both ’round us !

            “Those Were The Days My Friend”

            • aquaclara

              My first paid job outside of babysitting was at Ponderosa. Loved working there.
              The uniforms were funny, though — cowboy themed faux denim scooter skirt and red plaid bodysuit, all replicated in polyester. Those were the days.

            • SarahDB

              Sounds lovely! *snortle*

            • aquaclara

              Ha, ha! I was just 15 (and skinny) so it was all good. I’ll still take polyester cowboy over fake navy uniforms any day!

            • MissCandle

              My high school job was calling the steak orders at Bonanza. As in “Number 4 Medium Rare Please” that would get you a ribeye.

            • aquaclara

              With sautΓ©ed mushrooms! There you go. Same steak, different store.
              I love the faux cowboy uniform connection right there, too.

            • daisy

              Loved the Letterman post. If you missed it, on his last show, he said now that he is retired he hoped to be the new face of scientology. I always got the impression that he did not like Pretty boy Tom Cruise , as he referred to him. Never missed a chance to make fun of him to co-stars and ex-wives

          • BraveBloggers

            With the tokens you’d get for the dessert bar. Or wooden chips actually, not tokens.

      • scottmercer

        We still have some here in LA, but the number of locations has gone way, way down. Same thing with Shakey’s Pizza. Still around, but only a few locations. I hear they’re still big in the Philippines though.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Golden Corral. πŸ˜€

      • Vaquera

        How was breakfast?

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Delicious, we didn’t head into the city to eat though, Hubs had things he wanted to do around here so we just had some pancakes (blueberry for me, red velvet for him) delivered. πŸ™‚

          • Jimmy3

            *sniffle*
            There’s nothing more beautiful in this life than pancake delivery. It gets me every time.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              We have a wonderful restaurant delivery service here, they will literally deliver anything and they have about 15 different restaurants they work with so, pretty much anything you’re craving, you can get delivered. I’m hoping they’ll upgrade to booze delivery soon. LOL

            • Jimmy3

              In Alexandria there was this great authentic pizza place that delivered beer. I lost almost 50 lbs. after I moved.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              That’s the one alcoholic beverage that I could never really appreciate. I never liked the taste of beer.

              My godparents are planning to move here in a few months and that’s what I keep telling my godmother, that I’m going to fatten her up once she gets here. Hehehe!!

            • Jimmy3

              If I had pancake delivery on demand, I’d be famous. I’d be on the TV. I’d be the guy whose door frames the fire department is widening on an episode of Hoarders.

            • Vaquera

              When I lived there in the late 80’s, you could buy K&B drug store house brand liquor at 4:30 in the morning. How is it that NOLA doesn’t have booze delivery? πŸ™‚ Crack me up.
              (I know K&B no longer exists, but the point remains the same.)

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              There may be some places that do deliver it, I’m just not aware of any. We still have the drive-thru daiquiri shops though. πŸ™‚

            • Mark Foster

              Louisiana is another universe…

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              ^^^Truth. πŸ™‚

          • Vaquera

            You have delivery pancakes??!!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Pancakes, waffles, crepes, lunch food, dinner food. All of it. πŸ™‚ Check your area, a lot of places have these type of restaurant delivery services now.

            • SarahDB

              Now I’m hungry!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              If I could squeeze something through the computer I would. πŸ˜€

            • SarahDB

              Thank you dahlin’ πŸ™‚

              When my kids have gone home and it’s just me, don’t really feel like cooking much. I just nibble…

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Same here. ; ) Also in the summer when it’s super hot and I don’t have much of an appetite I nibble too. The rest of this house is boys….they always eat. LOL

            • SarahDB

              My son is 6’7″ and seems to have an unending appetite! He’s out of the house and married now so not my responsibility any more. Can’t say I miss the mom cooking too much, as long as I get to do it a couple times a year when he visits.

            • BraveBloggers

              Nola if I were a puppy, my ears would’ve perked up at the goody delivery line. After finishing my check in here, I’m so on the hunt for this type of thing in my area. You need not be specific but do you live in an average to mid size city? I’m trying not to get my hopes up…but you wrote Red Velvet Pancakes Delivered. This is so, so life altering.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              We have homes in two different cities here. Obviously New Orleans is large, the other place we live is a mid-size city. Just do a Google search for “restaurant delivery in (your city)” and if there is a service like this there it should be listed.

              This isn’t the service we use, but it is like this: https://www.grubhub.com/

            • BraveBloggers

              OMG I’ve seen that on sides of buses locally. /Dances BB is getting pancakes, and bacon, and chicken and dumplings and pepperoni pizza subs and, and and….heartburn!

            • BraveBloggers

              Hubby just went to store to get stuff to grill, but I think (if the gods of gluttony are in my favor) I’m eating delivery tonight!

            • scottmercer

              LA has this one.. https://www.labite.com/

          • beauty for ashes

            Red Velvet Pancakes!? When did this beautiful thing happen and how come I never heard of it!!!?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Not sure where that started but I’m very glad it did. πŸ™‚

      • BraveBloggers

        Hey, those buttery yeast rolls are yummy!

    • Mark Foster

      If it had been in LA, chicken and waffles, baby!

  • joan nieman

    Very interesting story about Mr. Sheen and the frustrating, heart-breaking situation of being unable to contact his daughter. The irony that she married someone who ‘s parents had been mentioned previously for making an over the top donation to the cherch. Small world and the dots become so easy to connect. Thank you Tony for putting this story out there for others to see. Good luck to Mr. Sheen and like all the others who are estranged from their families, I hope the day comes soon when you can see them again.

  • Robert Hammond

    As sad as the disconnection story is, I have a question about Brian Sheen’s current occupation and credentials.

    Is Brian Sheen a real doctor or practicing “integrative medicine” without a license? He lists himself as “Dr” Brian Sheen here:
    https://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/name/Brian_J_Sheen_PhD_Boynton+Beach_Florida_136483

    As far as I can tell, American Pacific University is a diploma mill. Can someone please correct me if I’m wrong?

    • Simi Valley

      I just did a quick search on the Florida Professional License verification webpage. There were no results returned for the name “Brian Sheen.” Categories did include things like Medical Doctor, Psychologist, Naturopathic Physician and a slew of others.

      • Robert Hammond

        According to Wikipedia, “Brian Sheen is an American Integrative medicine practitioner…”

        • That article needs the attention of a weed-wacker. Meh, not my problem.

    • April

      As best I can tell, he’s not licensed in any professional health care field in the state of Florida. https://appsmqa.doh.state.fl.us/IRM00PRAES/PRASLIST.ASP

    • Kat

      If he has a PHD, as stated in that bio, he can use “Dr.” as a title, I think.

      • Robert Hammond

        I think the school he lists is a diploma mill. American Pacific University is not a regionally accredited college as far as I can tell. So buying a diploma and calling yourself a doctor is questionable at best.

        • Simi Valley

          Isn’t that what the Hublard did?

          • Robert Hammond

            Hubbard and a lot of other quacks do that. That’s why I’m concerned about this issue. It will not help his credibility at all if he’s using a fake diploma and calling himself a doctor. I’m willing to be corrected if that’s not the case.

            • Supper Powers

              In all seriousness, exactly who do you think is attracted to CoS to begin with? It reeks of criminality so it’s no surprise some people with dubious backgrounds are involved. They, too, can be victims.

            • Robert Hammond

              No doubt that he is a victim. Even a prostitute can be a victim of rape. The disconnection story is real and tragic.

              I’m just asking a question about him calling himself a doctor and practicing “integrative medicine” without a license. It doesn’t help his credibility as a professional person, but it doesn’t diminish the fact that he is a victim of Scientology’s disconnection and coercion policies.

            • Supper Powers

              It’s a great thing to look at all aspects. I’m not at all surprised by his background and maybe that’s why I’m not focused on it. I’m focused on documents and evidence that suggest he was a victim. I know your background probably makes the red flags raise sky high. It’s working when you see health claims that are unproven or degrees that are suspect.

        • salin

          One “branch” (there appear to be several of these schools – e.g. one is Somoa, one in Hawaii) is in Hawaii, and offers a PhD in hypnotherapy that appears to be non accredited.

          • Watcher

            Is this branch now known as Kona University?

            • salin

              This is getting strange. I can’t refind the link – most higher ed institutions are really easy to find on line. This one, not so much. There is a school by that name that is Samoa- but earlier I specifically read a site with the same school name in Hawaii that had a “Phd” in Hypnotherapy. Now its harder to find. I just stumbled on this: http://www.manta.com/c/mmqmjyg/american-pacific-university – which indicates this is a business – thus a proprietory school. Even the predatory for profit schools currently in the news are easier to find (that’s how they find their prey) than this is which makes me think diploma mill rather than just for profit schools (which are scammy imo, but aren’t quite as bad.)

              This link to its facebook page is to APU in Honolulu (again why is it easier to find the facebook link than the school’s website?) And its almost a nonexistent page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/American-Pacific-University/102094926498591

              Finally I found this referral page – and it refers to the school by both names APU and Kona University (and it has an EDU page). http://www.educations.com/study-abroad/american-pacific-university/ which give a website http://www.kona.edu which leads to… either my computer hanging up – or on non existent web page.

              Let’s just call this a rabbit hole (and I think I need to climb out of it.)

            • Watcher

              Good work!

            • salin

              The Predatory for profit colleges stories breaking in the news (and the crackdown – Finally – on some of their deceptive practices) touches my professional life, and has become something I have read extensively about. And that has meant getting to know which of the small regional “chains” are related to which corporate entities and trying to tell them apart (such as EDMC (arts institutes) vs. ITT Tech, etc.) So I think I got hooked enough on trying to find this school because even for the world web sites for proprietary schools and their parent corporations – this is WAY off. Imagine – shadier than Corinthian Colleges todays whipping boy of the for profit schools.

      • April

        I think the “integrative medicine” part may elevate it to practicing without a license.

        • Kat

          Fair enough

    • Snake Plissken

      He’s not a doctor all he has is a fake PhD from a diploma mill that doesn’t even offer fake PhDs anymore, just like Dr. L Ron Hubbard’s PhD.

      • Ben Franklin

        You mean Dr. L Ron Hubbard, the Commodore, the youngest Eagle Scout in the U.S, the nuclear physicist, the intelligence officer, the movie director and producer, the inventor of music as we know it, the “Source” and savior of all mankind, the “blood brother” of the native American Blackfeet, the child prodigy who “rode a horse before he could walk and was able to read and write by the age of four”. Do I need to say more?

    • Supper Powers

      I looked this up yesterday and was prepared for it. It’s a legitimate concern. At this time, however, I am focused on how Brian is being victimized by the CoS. There is no evidence that suggests this claim is not credible.

      • Vaquera

        ^^^

      • Robert Hammond

        I’m not disputing the disconnection story and think it should be the main focus. I’m just bringing this up because it is linked to his own website. Anyone who looks him up will see the link to him as “Dr” Brian Sheen and the wikipedia entry as “practicing integrative medicine.” It’s a credibility issue.

        • Supper Powers

          Anybody can be victim, even a charlatan, a con man or a crook. I see documents that the church is victimizing him and his family.

          • Robert Hammond

            Totally agree.

        • HTC

          Frankly, I have no sympathy for him because I think he’s still perpetuating the cults fraudulent way of life.

      • Snake Plissken

        It has nothing to do with him being a victim of the Scientology Crime Syndicate’s extortion, but he’s not a doctor as he portrays himself to be

        • Robert Hammond

          That’s my only point here. The disconnection issue is a crime of Scientology as they continue to destroy families. But calling yourself a doctor based on a diploma mill degree does not speak well to his own credibility and personal integrity.

          • Snake Plissken

            That’s why I found this statement troubling

            β€œI was still a Scientologist. But I had always differentiated between the tech and the organization. The organization is crazy, but I thought there was a lot of good workable knowledge in Scientology. So I always kept those two apart in my mind.”

            There is nothing to separate, Scientology was designed to be fraudulent right from it’s inception. Some components of it are more sinister than others but it’s fraudulent right to it’s core.

            • Robert Hammond

              I looked at his website and followed some of the links. That’s when I saw his listing as “Dr” Brian Sheen and thought it might be an issue. I’ve done a lot of these new age self help practices and many of the “gurus” use these fake diploma mill credentials to create a false aura of authority and sell their snake oil.

              So, even though I sympathize with his disconnection and the family issues, I was just asking an honest question about why he calls himself a doctor and whether he is practicing medicine under the guise of integrative therapy or whatever new name.

            • Snake Plissken

              Yep, that’s the problem I have with the fake therapists in the Freezone. They know Scientology is toxic, they know because they themselves were victims of the cult, but they somehow have no problem profiting off of vulnerable people with the con game that Hubbard used to victimize them.

            • Sherbet

              I think Sheen believes he’s helping people. Maybe he won’t believe it forever, but right now it seems to be his business and his passion. Or maybe he’s 100% full of it. Hard to tell.

              I also think there’s more to the story, although disconnection coming out of left field after 30 plus years doesn’t surprise me, either. Still, I hope the story gets a lot of play, if for no other reason than to keep educating people about Tom Cruise’s wacky religion.

            • PS..I don’t call myself a doctor, I AM a Ph.D and very proud of the work I did to earn it

            • Robert Hammond

              Thanks Brian. I was just going by what I saw on your website. I appreciate your work trying to reach other disconnected families and hope your daughter sees the light and reaches out to you. I hope you will continue to read the bunker and offer your comments.

            • thanks..I will I find it very interesting. I have never been involved with something like this online.

            • Robert Hammond

              Yes. It is very interesting. You’ll find a great amount of support and like-minded people. Many have gone through disconnection and similar experiences. Look forward to your future posts.

              Did you see the Leah Remini show the other day, btw? I thought they did a good job of showing how psychology and therapy are not the evil enemies as described by Scientology.

            • No I didn’t thanks..but I will be curious to see it. What channel is it on?
              I did see a little of an interview with her on how the Church said some disparaging remarks about her. I thought she handle it well. I want to reach out to her and wonder how?

            • Robert Hammond

              Her show is on TLC, called “It’s All Relative”. I don’t normally watch those reality shows, but this was definitely worth seeing. If you can’t get it on TV, someone posted the YouTube link to the full show here: (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-oGsvd1fSE

            • Wow..thanks..I enjoyed watching. I always found her adorable! if you’re interested here are a few of the videos I produce https://www.youtube.com/user/FICAMtv I hope you enjoy! Brian

            • Robert Hammond

              Brian, With your experience and education you are probably able to help a great many people who are coming out of groups like Scientology. Have you ever read Steve Hassan’s excellent book, “Combatting Cult Mind Control?” If not, I think you would find it quite enlightening.

              You might also appreciate this article in Science Based Medicine on the “science” of Scientology related to health and healing practices. https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/scientologys-war-on-medicine/

              Best wishes again on your quest to re-integrate your family and to help others with similar disconnection issues. I hope your daughter sees the light and recognizes the value of love and family.

              Hope you got a chance to see the Leah Remini video as well.

            • thanks…a nice overview…

        • Supper Powers

          True, but it means little to me.

          • Snake Plissken

            It has nothing to do with him being a victim of the Scientology Crime Syndicate, he is being extorted by them, there is no question about it, but I certainly wouldn’t loan him any money

            • Supper Powers

              What about me? I need 20 bucks.

            • Snake Plissken

              Sure I’d loan you 20 bucks, but I’d need you to sign my standard billion year loan agreement

            • Supper Powers

              Let’s shake on it.

            • Snake Plissken

              Let me know where I can fax over the paperwork and I’m going to need a credit card for the $100 processing fee to get the loan started.

            • Susan_Qbird_Poche

              RUN Supper Powers! I think Snake’s a REG!!!
              ( & don’t sign nuthin’! >:D )

            • Mark Foster

              What, no telex?

            • jazzlover

              Billion years of interest? No thanks.

    • chukicita

      It’s sad that he thinks it’s okay to tell the ‘acceptable truth.’ I notice nowhere does he state exactly what his PhD is in. It could be basketweaving. It’s also sad that he previously built a financial business that crashed when the laws changed to protect consumer, and seems to have followed the Scientology model of pretending you’re qualified to do things.

      • Watcher

        According to his Wiki bio (which sounds like his promotional materials), he “earned a Ph.D. in Clinical Hypnotherapy from American Pacific University, specializing in Psychoneuroimmunology.”

        I just read an article about another therapist who graduated from there, and it mentioned the place was renamed Kona University. Anyone have any info on that?

        • Psychoneuroimmunology is the (quite respectable) study of the interaction between psychological processes and the nervous and immune systems of the human body. It’s also the kind of Very Big Word that quacks love to abuse.

          What isn’t clear is the relevance of hypnotism to this study. I suspect that he offers a course of hypnotherapy which is supposed to improve both your mental attitude and your immune response, reducing your vulnerability to disease.

          If so, it should be noted that hypnotism has little medical value, and any claim that it brings about any such improvements is a bold step into the territory of quack medicine.

          Oh… he runs the “Quantum Empowerment Center” http://www.briansheen.com/ficam/ which offers various ‘qualifications. Inappropriate use of the word ‘quantum’ is a quackery red flag… and this site pretty much confirms that impression.

        • beauty for ashes

          I know that sounds quacky, but it is quite an accepted fact, that once you get an autonomic disorder, then you commonly get an autoimmune disease. And your psychological health is very important in all those factors, and I say that with experience. πŸ™‚

        • chukicita

          In the US, a Doctor of Clinical Hypnotherapy is an unaccredited degree (and American Pacific University not accredited. It is represented as DCH instead of PhD.

          From Wikipedia’s entry on DCH: “Accredited doctorate degrees in mental health, such as M.D., Ph.D., Psy.D., and Ed.D.,
          are tightly controlled by state and federal laws. The D.C.H. degree is
          largely unregulated. There is a growing concern among these
          professionals that hypnotists are misleading consumers.[5]
          Some have illegally attempted to offer psychotherapy under generic
          titles such as “doctor” or “psychotherapist”, without proper training or
          background.”

    • sugarplumfairy

      NDs (naturopathic doctors) and MDs are way different things, and licensing as well..

      • Robert Hammond

        He’s not a naturopathic doctor. He claims to have a PhD from American Pacific University – a diploma mill.

        • sugarplumfairy

          And NDs still have to do a residency and pass a licensing exam..

        • Mockingbird

          Some of us barely have high school level educations and did not even bother to get a degree from a diploma mill. So the Hubbards of the world use a method most of us never consider .

          • beauty for ashes

            You know what? I think I want a crazy degree from a diploma mill! Just for fun let’s get em!
            Doctorate of neuropsychic animal communications?
            Doctorate of color psychology in ancient alien folklore?

            • Mockingbird

              As long as we are honest with ourselves and others . Having no deception regarding our credentials is important to me .

    • HTC

      I thought his bio on his site was very hubbardish.

      • Robert Hammond

        Seems like Marty Rathbun and others went through a similar stage, practicing and promoting the “tech” under different names, realizing that it all goes back to earlier eastern religions, occult practices, and new age philosophies. But many of these “indies” ultimately come to see how it is all a bunch of Belief Systems (BS) that don’t have any more than placebo effect at best. That’s just my opinion. At worst, they devolve into their own cult leaders like Werner Erhardt who created est.

        He’s entitled to believe whatever he wants and I do wish him and his family the best in terms of getting away from the detrimental effects of Scientology.

        • HTC

          Yes, but Marty and his ilk have been out only a few years, this man has been out for decades which is why I find it troubling that, in my opinion, it’s hubbardish in that he seems to make it up as he goes.

          • Robert Hammond

            You make a good point. I was looking at his Wikipedia page and it almost sounds like Hubbard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sheen

            I still have sympathy for him in relation to his daughter, though. I hope the story gets her attention and that they get back together and away from all of this mind control.

            • jazzlover

              I started a conversation about this hours ago (in the early am on the east coast), and was slapped down. Tread lightly πŸ™‚

            • Supper Powers

              No you weren’t, just disagreed with. We’re still all friends! πŸ™‚

            • jazzlover

              I cannot be disagreed with πŸ™‚ I am…………BATMAN πŸ˜‰

              P.S. I know

            • Robert Hammond

              I hope we’re still friends too. πŸ™‚

            • jazzlover

              What makes this place great is that it allows for the pooling of a variety of thoughts and ideas to seek the solutions that we all desire for a better shared world. After all, the existence of SciFi affects us all in both obvious and not so obvious ways.

            • Robert Hammond

              Yes. It would be sad indeed if people did not feel free to ask questions, disagree, or bring up other topics.

              I would not have given this any thought if it wasn’t linked to his own website claiming to be a doctor.

            • Supper Powers

              Indeed. You actually are one my favorites here. I really enjoy your posts and your perspective. Thank you!

            • Robert Hammond

              I know that some questions can seem controversial or unsympathetic. But I think it’s worth raising in the context. As I’ve said, the disconnection issue is real and Scientology’s coercive practices are deplorable. But to ignore question about a subject’s motives and credibility is disingenuous.

              Good news is that people on this site are free to have various opinions here and discuss things from different perspectives without losing friendship.

            • jazzlover

              I didn’t raise the issue to question his motives. It was raised more as an issue of how much support he can expect to receive for his fight from the outsiders and never-ins (the majority of population) if he appears to be tied to the wackiness of Hubbard-think. I still believe this is what prevents most from caring, as unfair and cold as that sounds. At least, that’s been my experience when talking to people about these issues.

            • Robert Hammond

              I think his motives about wanting to resolve the disconnection issue are valid and sincere. The issue of offering “integrative medicine” and therapy for ADD using a phony doctoral diploma, that’s another matter.

              But you may be right about people supporting him if he appears to be promoting the same Hubbard “wackiness.” That’s what I was referring to about the issue of credibility. Although his story about disconnection and dealing with Scientology’s coersive SP declare is credible, his business of selling past life therapy and integrative medicine is questionable.

            • jazzlover

              That last sentence, I’m afraid, is what will matter to those who only care to have a perfunctory knowledge of what Scientology really means. This is one of the most frustrating things about this whole fight against it — it seems that it will take a mountain to make a difference. I’m happy that there are many here and elsewhere who are speaking out, but at some point, the majority must listen for their stories to matter effectively on a greater than personal level.

            • Watcher

              Some info on his ADHD work: http://pineapplenewspaper.com/dr-brian-sheens-7-keys-of-attention-development/19478

              I was reading an interview with him this morning, and some of the ADHD stuff was about too much technology serving as a distraction, leading to development of ADHD, or something like that. Which sounds reasonable on the surface, but also simplistic, and the article was not referenced with any research, just anecdotes. So I remain skeptical of his work at this point.

              His story about disconnection seems sincere. I just hope the message is lost with the other stuff. Because it’s too separate issues, really.

            • jazzlover

              Yes, simplistic and akin to saying something like “anger leads to more anger”.

            • Watcher

              Found this article about the Florida Institute of Complementary and Alternative Medicine, which he founded (it also touches on other alternative practices): http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-02-22/health/delray-homeopathic-holistic-center-20120222_1_alternative-medicine-holistic-center-holistic-medicine

              One of his websites mentions him to be into regression therapy, which I recalls as the type that is connected to false memories. I think he may still believe in past lives, too. I need to investigate more about his ADHD claims.

              Still researching, but at this point, I do not sense that he is deliberately trying to con people but that he seriously has been susceptible to “woo” in his life. He walked past the yoga and meditation studio and immediately was a convert, for example, and ended up eventually buying it. (Now don’t get me wrong, I have found benefit to yoga and mindfulness practices but do not see them as a cure-all; also there have been some studies into their usefulness.)

              Perhaps he could benefit from meeting Chris Shelton and learning some critical thinking?

            • Robert Hammond

              I’ve done many years of that new age self help stuff myself so I do understand the appeal. But I’ve found most of it to be based on the placebo effect, pseudoscience and old-fashioned charlatanism. Most of the same results can be achieved by simply walking around the block once a day, healthy eating, and spending a few minutes relaxing.

              That’s why I have an issue with many of these phony “doctors’ selling snake oil and various new age self help programs for outlandish fees. You can get the same results for free. Self help should not mean paying someone else to help you.

              But as for the disconnection issue, that’s a separate and serious issue. Scientology is a mind controlling criminal enterprise that should be put out of business.

            • aquaclara

              There is much woo still there, plus some WISE elements.
              And I lolled seeing the hippy-dippy name of his daughter.
              I also enjoy seeing this picture of him with his lovely daughter. I think he adores her, and probably made a great dad. Woo aside, he’s smarter than your average bear when it comes to being taken. He figured out why he was declared, and it makes a lot of sense. I just hope he doesn’t pay Scientology a penny to get his daughter back. That’s an outrage and a scam.

            • Robert Hammond

              I agree. I’m sure he loves his daughter and would be a great dad. I hope they are able to reconcile.

              Sad to think that anybody would ever have to “pay… a penny to get his daughter back.” Sounds like some kind of criminal gang or terrorist group that kidnaps children for ransom. Oh, wait..

            • scottmercer

              Yes, Robert. “Self help” means doing it YOURSELF. Maybe you buy a book or two, but that’s it.

            • scottmercer

              The Wikipedia page talks about his time in Scientology without mentioning the word Scientology. Good move there.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Depends on what he got his PhD on. Dr. Of what?

      • Robert Hammond

        According to Wikipedia he “earned a Ph.D. in Clinical Hypnotherapy from American Pacific University, specializing in Psychoneuroimmunology.” As far as I can tell American Pacific University is an unaccredited diploma mill.

        • salin

          That’s my conclusion from searching around the websites. In the past year I have been reviewing a ton of for profit schools websites (review sites, their corporate parent’s sites) and this was stranger than the profits. Which makes me think this isn’t about bilking marks, er students, out of student loan dollars, but rather about buying the degrees thus staying under the radar. The school seems hinky.

          That said – I am a little uncomfortable digging stuff up that the CoS could use against him. He is already suffering at their hands too much. You posed an interesting question – I ran down a rabbit hole a bit – but I think I am going to step back.

          Peace.

          • Watcher

            Agreed.

          • Robert Hammond

            I sincerely doubt that they haven’t already looked him up on his own website and Wikipedia. So it’s not really giving them anything that’s not in plain view in the first page of Google. I think he may be better off addressing the issue himself before it comes back to bite him. But that’s up to him. I think it’s a legitimate question. But regardless of his professional ethics, his family has been unfairly torn apart by Scientology.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              For sure once he is an enemy they will go after whatever they can find. They’ve been doing it for many years, look for anything. They tried it on my husband about 20 years ago and after a nice long talk with the official, he admitted that it was from the CofS and that they do it to lots of people, more than anyone else. This was over the word ‘counselor’ and my husband didn’t change it until he changed occupations later. So Brian could expect questioning and it’s up to him to take care of it, however.

    • grundoon

      There’s an American Pacific University in American Samoa. It is not the American Pacific University you’re looking for. No connection, apparently.

      The APU that gives hypnotherapy certificates doesn’t seem to be using that name any more. Now it is called Kona University. It’s in Hawaii. It’s run by Matthew James, son of NLP entrepreneur and author Tad James.

      Tad says about himself in his Amazon biography, “Tad James M.S., Ph.D. is one of the world’s most influential trainers, and a respected authority on hypnosis. He teaches and appears before audiences for over 200 days every year, and is president of The American Board of Hypnotherapy, one of the world’s largest hypnotherapy organisations. Tad is also President of Advanced Neuro-Dynamics, a leading NLP firm, The American Institute of Hypnotherapy, the world’s leading hypnosis institute, and American Pacific University, a Hawaii-based institution offering alternative degrees in Hypnosis, Psychology, and Esoteric Studies.”

      Kona University claims that their “masters’ and certificate programs are accredited by the Distance Education and Training Council. The DETC does not extend accreditation to the certificate programs themselves, but to programs that prepare individuals to sit for independently administered certification examinations.”

      Their accreditation and business practices are discussed in this interesting 2005 thread, and another from 2009. It seems they had to quit offering doctorates in order to get the DETC accreditation.

      Here’s one of their neighbors on the Big Island, Damon Tucker, blogging about their move to Kona.

      • Robert Hammond

        Thanks, Grundoon. That all looks pretty “quackish” as far as I’m concerned. the DETC accreditation is pretty meaningless as is an “alternative” degree in “esoteric studies” and the like. Again, I am sympathetic about Brian’s family situation. But this diploma mill “integrative medicine,” hypnotherapy and other new age fluff is questionable at best.

    • You are very wrong and I did my PH.D. there before they closed their doors. It was a few years of training I am most grateful for as i was able to train with leaders in their field worldwide.Check out my site http://www.7KeysforattentionDevleopment.com to see what I do and how.

  • Vaquera

    Tony and the lovely Paulette Cooper are half an hour into their final road show together. It usually last 90 minutes. Waiting for pics and an update from someone, anyone.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Tomorrow

      • Vaquera

        Yeah, I’ve been mixing it up all day. Keep thinking today is Sunday.

        • Sherbet

          Well, for gosh sakes, no wonder church was empty.

          • Vaquera

            And the bars are full.

        • Jimmy3

          It feels like a Sunday. Maybe it is a Sunday trapped in a Saturday. We can’t know for sure.

          • Juicer77

            It’s Sunday that was Saturday in a previous life.

            • Jimmy3

              You might be close to something. July 11th, 2010 was a Sunday. So it’s a Saturday that was a Sunday in a past life.

            • Sherbet

              Are you looking at your whole track calendar, Jimmy? What happened 47,000,000 years ago, first week in the month of Mpzorg?

            • Jimmy3

              The Yrgmhnc Browns won the first Galactic Super Bowl

            • Sherbet

              Well, it was about time! 46,999,999 years of losing.

          • Vaquera

            No NFL games means it’s not Sunday.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Only a few more weeks until training camp begins. I can’t wait!! πŸ™‚

            • Jimmy3

              Would you be in for a Bunker fantasy league? Asking NOLA, too. And anyone here who’s interested.

            • Vaquera

              Yes, but I’d have to read up on how it’s done. There’s enough time for me to get up to speed.

        • Beth

          same here. WTH?

    • Juicer77

      I promise I will update you tomorrow πŸ˜‰ I’m heading to DC in the morning after a couple work jobs.

      • BraveBloggers

        Hope to see you there. I too am heading to D.C. For this. πŸ™‚

        • Juicer77

          Want to meet up for coffee beforehand? Email me at kurtjess77 at gmail dot com if you are interested. πŸ™‚

          • BraveBloggers

            You have mail!

  • Mark

    Poor Switzerland: just as our own Andreaβ€”i-Bettyβ€”Garner is leaving after lighting up the Alps with her presence, this will be spoiling the rest of their summer season (thanks to ‘Sec-Check’ for the pic; refresh):

    • Sherbet

      Love the chin pube electrodes.

      • Mark

        What are those things for, that’s what I’d like to know…

        • Sherbet

          Go to the bathroom mirror and start braiding your beard, and you, too, can be Chill.

          • Mark

            I’d end up looking like Captain Teach if I did that, Sherb!

            • Sherbet

              Avast! Anyway, I think Chill E should change the slogan to his tour:

              Chill E B! There’s going to be something cuckoo in Switzerland, and it isn’t our clocks.

          • jazzlover

            No soul patch, no chill πŸ™‚

        • BraveBloggers

          Possibly alternate locations where e-meter cans can be attached to ensure the beard isn’t hiding evil intentions? -Or- BT repelling ropes…really the possibilities, while not my cup of tea, are endless.

          • Mark

            On subsequent reflection, I think they’re for plugging in his vocoder-attachment.

            • Mark Foster

              He puts little bells and chimes on them for percussive effects.

    • Snake Plissken

      It that really a rapper that anyone has actually heard of? or is he just someone that latched onto the cult because he realized they have nobody else to promote?

      • scottmercer

        His Body thetans sing back up.

    • ze moo

      Pissing off the Brown Swiss cow is not to be done!!

    • aegerprimo

      The hills are NOT alive with the sound of music with Chill EB around.

      • Mark

        He probably sounds like a tumble-dryer full of old boots.

        • aegerprimo

          Clunk …er cluck. Yes.

  • Are_sics

    Did Brian, like his brother, come into a good amount of money when their mother died? The cos might want him back “on lines” not only because he’s the identified SP preventing his brother’s case gain, but because they see he’s got enough bucks to make him worth regging, independently.

    • Sherbet

      It’s an odd way to get him back in, though. I would think cos would be love bombing him with invitations to come back, not ticking him off by declaring him.

      • Ben Franklin

        CoS knew that Brian’s soft spot or “button” was being able to stay connected to his daughter. Once CoS breaks the connection they know that either the daughter or the father would do everything they can to continue being connected. Scientology is a very sick organization. They use whatever you value the most as a weapon against you to make you comply with their devious plans to get money.

        • Sherbet

          I would think (as a never-in who’s just guessing) that cos would have gone after the daughter and told her she would have to disconnect. And the daughter would put the pressure on Sheen to go back. It just seems counter-productive to make Sheen an enemy if they wanted his money. But, then again, when the cos wants to make an enemy, they go right ahead and do it, whether it makes sense or not. Leah Remini, Tory Christman, Marty Rathbun, Mike Rinder…there are plenty out there who did not put their tails between their legs and walk away from the church.

          • Ben Franklin

            Sheen going back means taking courses and spending money to buy Scientology services and maybe being talked into making donations to the IAS that is how they would get access to Sheen’s money. The only way CoS can get to the money is if he was a practicing Scientologists. The only way to try to force Brian Back into Scientology is to take away what he values the most, his daughter. Knowing that the daughter would be devastated and do everything she can to get her father back in the church, they go ahead and declare Brian an SP. The question is, why now if he has been out for more than 30 years? Possible answer is the daughter have access to funds, and Brian may also have access to inheritance.

    • Snake Plissken

      I think this is all about his daughter marrying the son of a whale. They don’t want to take any chances of their whales being exposed to someone who might tell them the truth.

      • Jimmy3

        The Truth: If you have $13 million to give to the IAS, you can afford to wear a clean t-shirt at your daughter’s wedding rehearsal.

        • Jimmy3

          Or your daughter-in-law’s wedding rehearsal.

        • Watcher

          Not if IAS has all your money and nothing is left.

      • anoni81b4u

        I think you nailed it !

  • outraged

    Brian’s story is so depressing. Once again all the rules are followed, all the money is paid, floors are scrubbed, all the palms greased. But it is NEVER enough because the rules are fluid, constantly changing to fit the only objective: Put More Money In Miscavige’s Pocket. Period. The End.

    • Ben Franklin

      Someone said it before that in Scientology nobody cares about what someone did yesterday, they only care about how much money one can bring the organization right now. Yesterday’s statistics does not matter, only today’s matters. One day you can be an executive, the next day you are scrubbing toilets with a toothbrush

      • outraged

        As if you have to be re-baptized or re bar-mitzvahed because you did it wrong. And no telling when this will happen. Could be decades later.

  • B4you
    • jazzlover

      That is some funny stuff πŸ™‚ Cruise Control. LOL

  • jazzlover

    Hey, where did this big inheritance come from anyway? (Sheen’s dad was a fairly well known and employable jazz drummer). There’s an old joke told by insiders in the jazz music industry:

    Q: How does one become a millionaire in jazz?
    A: By starting with $2 million.

    • Snake Plissken

      I think I saw that he was teaching at a private college when died, he might of had a life insurance policy as part of his benefits package, the cult loves those.

      • jazzlover

        That could be. Good point. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your POV) many musicians have had to go the teaching route just to get health benefits and the like.

      • Ben Franklin

        Hard to find people in Scientology who may not have access to large sums of money except maybe in the Sea Org where one literary is a slave.

    • Beth

      Tony’s article says it was their Mother who left the inheritance.

      • jazzlover

        I guess the misogynist in me just assumed the dad died first and left it to the mother πŸ™‚

        • Watcher

          Maybe Mom had all the money so Dad was free to be a jazz musician. πŸ™‚

          • jazzlover

            LOL. And work for those Sea Org wages playing clubs with 6 people in the audience πŸ™‚

    • Yes..you must have known my father! But it was from my mom who mediocre him when I was little

  • Ben Franklin

    Satan has a church, and it is called the Church of Scientology

    • Snake Plissken

      Scientology is not a religion, it’s not even a cult, it’s a crime syndicate

      • Ben Franklin

        whatever it it is, it is evil

    • Jgg2012

      LRH was actually a Satanist for 5 years before starting the church, and the OT VIII level says that he is Satan. Also, their 8 pointed cross resembles the Satan symbol.

      • Ben Franklin

        There you go. Sheep on the outside but wolf on the inside. Marbles and gold on the outside, but torture and despair on the inside (hell on earth). Pretending to be nice, friendly and helping you, while picking your pocket clean. Who would do such a thing, you ask?

      • Robert Hammond

        Who could it be…? Could it be Thetan? (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RTSuiaDe0A

        • ze moo

          Beat you by 2 minutes. We watch too much TV

          • Robert Hammond

            Jinx. I owe you a coke. πŸ™‚

      • He was running in the same tight social group as Parsons and Heinlein before WWII, so perhaps longer.

    • Robert Hammond

      Only they pronounce Satan with a lisp to they can call him their own invention and charge money for the privilege of worshipping him.

      • Ben Franklin

        it is all about disguise to avoid raising suspicion. There are a lot of things camouflaged in Scientology using normal day language but means the exact evil opposite e.g ethics

    • Mockingbird

      Hubbard is more discredited than Satan and I want nothing to do with Satan !

  • Doc M

    Kirsty Alley and another Scientologist in Ponzi….say it ain’t so Kirsty

    http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/kirstie-alley-lawsuit-organic-liaison-alleged-ponzi-scheme/

    • Ardent

      Her grotesque life continues to rot and fester.

    • Jimmy3

      I’ll set the over/under at 11.5 F-bombs in Kirstie’s testimony.

      • ze moo

        Any judge will hand out jail time for contempt of court for use of the fbomb in court. Not sure about depositions?

        • Jimmy3

          And she will be throwing them around while the bailiff is leading her away. That counts.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Peggy Crawford, β€œwas a minister and mission holder for the church [of Scientology] prior to” becoming the Organic Liaison CEO β€” a position that paid $450,000 per year, according to the documents.[snip]

      Crawford testified at her deposition [snip]
      She said she had received β€œunits” of Organic Liaison, stating, β€œWhen I left Organic Liaison β€” we– I β€” we ended with no – like part of what I gave back, gave to the company was my interest so I can…”

      Awesome communication skills on any subject, Peggy.

    • ze moo

      John Travolta has court date in his future. His ‘pilot lover’ is suing him. Next hearing date Aug 7.

      http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/john-travolta-lawsuit-gay-pilot-douglas-gotterba/

  • scottmercer

    Tony, good job debunking that guy. I think you have the bonafides versus that guy Reeves to be believed and trusted over him. And of course, Sweeney (who I assume was interviewed on a different continent and at a different time as you were) agrees with you.

  • Ardent

    Off Topic: Sad news. Actor Roger Rees has died at only 71. If his name is unfamiliar, his face probably will be recognised. What a loss to the profession.
    He is survived by his husband Rick Elice, the playwright, whose credits include the Peter Pan prequel Peter and the Starcatcher, which Rees co-directed.

    Gee, I wonder what Kirstie thought about Roger’s love?

    • Sherbet

      A shame, yes. I remember him from Nicholas Nickelby. However, others may remember he was in “Cheers” playing the manager (?) with whom Kirstie Alley’s character was smitten.

      • Watcher

        Bringing it back on topic with the Kirstie Alley mention. πŸ™‚

        • Sherbet

          6 degrees of separation!

  • Pierrot

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    Good day Bunkerettes and Bunkeroos,

    The week’s scores and RedX links: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2545467
    Thursday was a Whooa πŸ™‚ day, Friday is a πŸ™ day with LA saving the day by scraping in.

    Help keep vulnerable people away from co$ and whack a few ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5…for Praying squirrel by StillGrace, recovered by Cars & flickred
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  • pluvo

    One thing the Church of Scientology is really, really good in (besides raking in money) is: MAKING ENEMIES!

    Statement from their own site:

    β€œHOW DOES THE CHURCH VIEW RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN A SCIENTOLOGIST AND FAMILY MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT SCIENTOLOGISTS?
    … The Church encourages and helps its members to have excellent family relationships, whether or not their
    relatives are Scientologists.
    The Church goes to great lengths to reconcile family differences should a problem arise. … Regardless of
    whether the other family members choose to become Scientologists or not, Scientologists take deep pride in their record of resolving family problems and conflicts.

    Yeah right! Damned Hypocrites.

    • superjoo

      One thing the United States is really, really good at (besides raking in money) is: MAKING ENEMIES!

      • pluvo

        Yes and no. Some other countries don’t get their shit together and are expecting the US to “take action” (I’m not an US citizen, by the way). How come that the Muslim nations (Saudi Arabia etc.) can’t handle the IS and other criminals? They could, but don’t want. Enough of the derail. I have to look for my collected disconnection links.

      • George Layton

        One thing the Church of Scientology is really, really good at (besides raking in money) is: MAKING ENEMIES!
        FIFY.

  • Eivol Ekdal
    • Eivol Ekdal

      I should say that it is making vids like this one that probably got him declared.

      • Robert Hammond

        Is this one of Brian Sheen’s videos?

        • Eivol Ekdal

          Chicken dinner.

          • Robert Hammond

            Looks like a bland version of Scientology lite with a mix of Joseph Campbell and typical Esther Hicks new age “create your own reality” nonsense. Nothing original or particularly insightful.

            • Sherbet

              “So simple and yet so profound.” Um, no, not really.

            • Mark Foster

              But, but…I have an advanced degree in psychoimmunodeutoronomical-stasis–state-supercalifragilistic-calibration tech! Just a few more slow inhalations and exhalations and…

            • Robert Eckert

              It’s all-encompassing, and it’s all-non-encompassing!

            • Eivol Ekdal

              I think he should be prescribed and intensive round of Chris Shelton videos.

          • Sherbet

            Looks like he had a whole bunch of videos and stock footage and wound his story around the pictures. What a snooze.

            • Robert Hammond

              Hypnotic trance inducement. Now when I count to five you’ll be wide awake wide awake wide awake!

              “Hey, where’s my wallet!?”

            • Sherbet

              //runs away//

      • anoni81b4u

        That’s what I was just thinking. COS had not paid him any attention until his daughter married into a whale family. Then they were like .. whats this? .. I bet they went through the folders of every member of her family when they found out she was about to become Mrs. Whale.
        or have I been watching too many conspiracy videos today ?

        • Matt in Atlanta

          Nah. You’re ok. If money is involved,the stoopid is sure to follow.

    • April

      Okay I’ve watched the whole video and I’m not getting what he’s trying to say.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        I looked and thought, big deal he is not stealing anything that LRH invented. But a scientologist looking at that vid is going to thing he got all his core ideas from Source and is now perverting them. They don’t know any better.

        • Mockingbird

          You are very correct . I have seen Scientologists attack other reported NLP users like Tony Robbins. They think the hypnotist stole from Scientology.

          • Eivol Ekdal

            Shit just recently someone posted a face book comment where someone saw a word like ‘being-ness’ and was like “woo hooo – look LRH’s words are permeating mainstream culture, wont be long till the planet is cleared now!’
            I don’t remember the exact word but is was not one that Hub’s invented.

            • Mockingbird

              To be clear NLP was invented after Hubbard’s methods but they both steal concepts from hypnotism and rhetoric . Different names for the same methods .

            • Robert Hammond

              That post didn’t even say “beingness” . It was just defining a dream as doing, having, or being what you desire. So the person thought.. “oooh, they are using Hubbard’s Be Do Have idea.” As though he invented those words and concepts.

            • Eivol Ekdal

              That is the one!

      • Sherbet

        Good. That means you’re healthy.

      • Robert Hammond

        Just don’t take the free personality test or give your credit card information.

    • Watcher

      Why. Does. He Speak. So. Telegraphically?

      • Robert Hammond

        Hypnotic trance inducement and neurolinguistic programming. Like Hubbard and other gurus, they get you follow the pattern and sound of their voice, no matter how nonsensical.

        • Watcher

          He sounds like William Shatner in old episodes of Star Trek.

          • Sherbet

            How did Tony stay awake while on the phone for an hour with this dude (assuming the speaker is Sheen)?!

            • Eivol Ekdal
            • Sherbet

              Bingo. It’s Sheen’s voice.

            • Robert Hammond

              You can also hear Sheen’s voice here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg

            • Mark Foster

              Calibration…sort of like Californication? Sorry, his beef with scamatology is real, this dreck notwithstanding…

            • Eivol Ekdal

              I agree. My only reason for posting was to show how what he is doing can upset the clams.

            • flyonthewall

              This guy’s business collapsed because his tax shelters were closed by the IRS? That doesn’t sound slimy at all. And he’s some kind of guru that apparently likes to induce trance states in people with the sound of his voice via his youtube videos? Sounds like a winner to me

            • Robert Hammond

              That calibration process is the same as Hubbard’s Tone Scale which David Hawkins called Map of Consciousness and Lester Levinson called PACMAN model. Nothing new there.

              I prefer this calibration of lawn fertilizer which makes much more sense (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3n3SiWgg58

            • Matt in Atlanta

              And you can actually see the positive results too!

            • Robert Hammond

              So much for “create your own reality”

            • Matt in Atlanta

              The man does have a story to tell. I wouldn’t want my loved ones to disconnect from me. He is hurting…

            • flyonthewall

              yeah, he’s hurting my ears and brain with the stupid way he talks

            • Matt in Atlanta

              Must…… not……..troll….that…….comment.

            • Sherbet

              Didn’t mean to be offensive, Matt, and, like everyone, I’ll be following his story. The services he offers, however, based on this video, seem a bit vague and airy, with a voice to match.

            • Juicer77

              He lost me a little with all the alternative medicine stuff.

            • Mark Foster

              Here, Juicer, smoke THIS! πŸ™‚

            • Juicer77

              LOL πŸ™‚

            • Sherbet

              I’m a believer in Whatever gets you through the night. But selling vague stuff like this isn’t too far from selling a walk up a certain bridge.

            • Robert Eckert

              just one of those Ortega Tony superpowers!

        • Mockingbird

          If anyone genuinely uses NLP I must warn any victims it is an unethical fraud . In my opinion it has earned the name “school for sociopaths”. I study some of its language as it exposes Hubbard’s methods but is truly diabolical in intent .

      • flyonthewall

        prob had a stroke

    • Illinoisian

      Brian Sheen’s voice here? If that is, indeed, him, I can see why the cult came down on him. This short lecture combining Joseph Campbell/Power of Myth elements and pop psychology qualifies him as ‘the competition” — a purveyor of advice on mental health. Sounds like he’s helping people to examine their inner experience and feel free to choose what they believe. He’s going after Scientology’s market.

      • Draco

        This one is even closer. Shades of the tone scale?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg9bWsELqbo

        • Illinoisian

          Does this lean in the direction of ‘squirrel’? (Might his in-laws have written a KR on him after the wedding? If he talked at all about his business during casual conversation . . . well . . .)

          • Draco

            I’d say it leans in that direction. I’m surprised the cult didn’t declare him sooner, just to stop his daughter from communicating with him. They have declared people for much less. Never consistent are they?

      • Meepthorp

        I wondered about this too, but it doesn’t matter, putting someone’s daughter (for ANY reason) “under the dome” so you may never see or speak to them again is unconscionable, perhaps downright evil. Even murderers on death row get to see their kids.

        • Robert Hammond

          Agreed. As much woo as he may promote, nobody deserves having their children held hostage by a criminal enterprise. I sympathize with his plight and hope his daughter sees the light.

        • Illinoisian

          “but it doesn’t matter”
          Absolutely right. I was *not* implying that they had a right to impose this arrogant and evil policy. (Actually was trying for a bit of sarcasm.) Just pointing out that this situation may have more facets to it than just CoS trying to squeeze money out of an ex-member. They may see him as ‘enemy’ or even as ‘squirrel.’

          • Meepthorp

            Yep enemy, squirrel, they for sure don’t want Spring to get the idea there are other ways to improve yourself, or that one can find happiness after leaving the Cult. They want to cry about how they are persecuted for their beliefs, yet they are THE MOST intolerant group I have ever seen. They are 100% intolerant of anyone who changes their beliefs from Scientology to ANY other belief system- they declare you for that nowadays. Hubbard’s extremist/draconian practices are closer to the Spanish Inquisition than the fake/PR that they are some kind of “modern religion”.

      • Robert Hammond

        It’s like when they went after Marty with the squirrel busters. They hate everybody who may be cutting into their profits. That’s part of why they hate psychiatrists so much, other than the fact that Hubbard was certifiably insane.

    • Draco

      Woof and warf?

      • Illinoisian

        “The essential foundation or base of any structure or organization; from weaving, in which the warp β€” the threads that run lengthwise β€” and the woof β€” the threads that run across β€” make up the fabric: β€œThe Constitution and the Declaration of Independence are the warp andwoof of the American nation.”

        • Sherbet

          Yes, but “warp” sounded like “warf.” I think he just garbled the word a bit.

          • Meepthorp

            I think he said “woof” and “bark”.

            • Matt in Atlanta

              You all actually watched this stuff. Now I am really concerned. :0

            • Robert Hammond

              Maybe he was referring to the wiffenpoof song. (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ5GnmMUW-s

            • Draco

              Haha – I have to laugh every time I read Whiffenpoof πŸ˜€

        • Watcher

          I thought it was the warp and the weft.

          • Draco

            Woof and weft mean basically the same thing

          • Illinoisian

            We’re getting into details here
            “In weaving, the woof (sometimes weft) is the term for the thread or yarn which is drawn through the warp yarns to create cloth. Warp is the lengthwise or longitudinal thread in a roll, while weft is the transverse thread. A single thread of the weft, crossing the warp, is called a pick.”

        • Draco

          I was being a tad sarcastic. I know what woof and warP is.

  • Mockingbird

    Hey Bunkeroos I have a new post listing my first 100 or so posts in categories like persuasion , hypnotism , comedy, plagiaristic resources , the minds of Hubbard and Miscavige , and general Scientology posts , please enjoy and comment .
    http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/07/first-100-posts-at-mockingbirds-nest.html

  • Cymboli

    You have to be a real piece of garbage scum bag to knowingly seek to destroy a family in order to obtain funds. Everyone blames Miscavige and yeah, he perpetuates the vampire culture. Still, we are often led to believe that the fear of the RPF causes people to knowingly destroy people’s lives? Does anyone really believe that Miscavige arranged this whole disgusting ordeal himself? No, someone else did it because A. They feared going to the RPF if they didn’t or B. They thought doing this would improve their own status. Either way, it is entirely self serving which requires tremendous narcissism and a complete lack of regard for other people. I hear all the time that no one really likes disconnection and yet it is enacted all the time. That is a lack of remorse and a lack of conscience. Just how many sociopaths are in scientology? Sorry, DM may be the head but all of those other people directing traffic, they’re complicit as are all of the people in who know about the abuses, do nothing and bankroll the organization. I’m done giving a pass to these people. At some point people need to stand up for what is right. I’m tired of the brainwashing argument.

    • Mockingbird

      You bring up great points . People are horrified to learn of institutional evil but it occurs . The Nazi doctors murdered many people. The Nazis killed millions and Chinese and Soviet purges have reportedly killed tens of millions . In America our leaders including beloved founders supported slavery and genocide of native peoples .

      In groups social influence including massive indoctrination in hateful doctrine can lead to terrible results .

    • romanesco

      So right. Judging from the glassdoor.com reviews this Sheila Atkinson-Baker is an absolutely horrible person to work for. I’d be willing to bet she had Brian declared in hopes of receiving a percentage of his fees if he went through this a-e nonsense.

  • baca

    Why aren’t there relatives picketing in front of the Flag Building around the clock? The victims of disconnection need to start fighting back HARD!!!!!

    • Matt in Atlanta

      You have a very good point there. Why?

      • baca

        Maybe Scientology only attracts pacifists, at least for their public. They may not be a normal cross section of the population at all.
        Celebrities may be an exception.

        I know I would be absolutely FURIOUS if something like that happened to me, and I would never give them a moment of peace.

        • anoni81b4u

          Scientology attracted Charles Manson, I would not call him a pacifist.

        • Meepthorp

          Nah. There were both pacifists and hawkish war-mongering right wing types in there. There were all types, there are all types in the public, staff and Sea Org. You just can’t pigeon hole these people. If you study social psychology, there’s not a personality type that winds up in cult. It’s a complex intersection of the person’s history, education, upbringing, timing, and psychology is a piece of it, plus much more. Anyone can be vulnerable. Those of you who have now been inoculated against the cult want to think “that could never happen to me”. That may be NOW true, but it is only true now, because others have gone through and tell their stories so that people like you can be warned and now know the truth about it.

          • Mockingbird

            I tend to agree that all kinds of folks end up in cults .

            • skiesareblue

              Hubbard wanted “the clever ones”.
              (Toronto Conference)

            • Mockingbird

              Then the joke is on him cause he got me !!!

            • skiesareblue

              My wish for you is to realize how incredibly clever you ARE. True, he got you, but look at you now. You are a hero, and he’s a dead asshole.

            • Mockingbird

              You are very kind , but I am just an anonymous blogger on the fringes of the internet . I never want to forget I am fallible and gullible and have imperfect understanding and character .

              I don’t want to be blinded by certainty again .

            • daisy

              I am not saying this to make you feel better, but from reading, listening, and teaching skills example-Chris Shelton, Tory Magoo etc. Ex-scientologist seem brilliant. I read this blog and others to elevate myself. Half the time I have not a clue what you all are saying. Even without the scientology vocabulary

            • Mockingbird

              I should apologize if I am using overly complex terms . It can be a bad habit that confuses people . Frauds use it to pretend expertise as Hubbard did.

              In Scientology many of us fell into the very bad habit of mistaking using Hubbard’s terms and phrases for genius and enlightenment. In truth we attained close minded euphoric delusion and many bad habits intellectually. I hope you are not put off by this .

              Often in Scientology we did thousands of hours of looking up words in dictionaries and got very impressed with our improved vocabularies. But knowing a few different ways to say things was a cover for Hubbard’s deception. We were sold the idea that learning a few terms equalled being superior when it truly does not .

              I hope the words don’t discourage you and you can easily look them up online . Thank you for your support .

            • daisy

              I continue to be inspired and awe struck by those of you who lived through a truly hellish horrific experience and yet still educate us who can not fathom it. You not only do that but pay it forward for those still in. I stand by my assessment that from the posts, ex-scientologists are brilliant people. No dictionary or studying can give you the sharp wit and clever insights into human behavior that I read everyday in the bunker. Far from being discourage it just whets my appetite to learn more. Sometimes its so fun, I forget that we gather for a truly evil and sad reason

            • Mockingbird

              Well, hopefully we gather to face and expose evil. Which is not evil in itself . I hope people expose and learn about Scientology to help others .

            • daisy

              AMEN

          • Matt in Atlanta

            Sci 2D action? Buyer beware!

          • That is my view – that there is no practical difference between the general population and Scientologists.

            If there is a ‘type’ it depends on income/assets not psychological characteristics, because you don’t stay with the organisation for long unless you can afford it (there being a limited demand for Sea Org slaves).

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      A couple of reasons, out of several, is that picketing might actually make their loved ones dig their heels in the very much exploited “cos is under attack” canard and cos would swiftly move them to another location that may take years for their loved one to locate them again.

      • Matt in Atlanta

        Anything is worth a try. As it stands,without some sort of involvement nothing ever changes!

  • pluvo

    β€œBrian tells us that he wants to raise awareness about disconnection, which is the reason that he’s created a website and is talking to the press.”

    β€œI want to gather the stories of the people who have suffered disconnection by Scientology and demand that something be done,” he says.

    YES!

    I once started to collect links to disconnection stories. It was overwhelming. It would be very, very good if all these disconnection-stories would be collected on one site. This also to inform the public at large about the vast number of abuses and hardship these cruel methods perpetrated by the Church of Scientology and who don’t get tired to call themselves β€˜HUMANITARIANS’. Vile and disgusting!

    • Robert Hammond

      That is a good idea. The more of these stories shared, the more people will wake up and reconnect.

    • If there is any way to collect the many stories you already have that could be very helpful with the political action I want to take.

  • B4you

    Nice Daughter πŸ™‚ Pfffssssiii

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Did you just spit on me?!?!

  • Matt in Atlanta

    Back in 2008 a Brit (Stu Wyatt) had a telephone interaction with the flag Justice Chief Cara Golashesky.

    https://youtu.be/44NOaGXgDcU

    • Interested

      Shatter and confront… Yeah right……

  • Meepthorp

    The Exec Dir (John Sexsmith) of the Miami Org hated Brian. He was constantly ranting about him and what a terrible person Brian was, to the staff. John was probably jealous that Brian was higher trained (John was like that) and also John would have been jealous of the fact that Brian got a hold of a piece of prime A## that John would have considered was one of HIS hens in HIS hen house. Cock-A-Doodle-Doo!!! That man had a BIG EGO disguised as his BIG THETAN.

    • Matt in Atlanta

      Are you saying that something that transpired 25-35 years ago is perhaps the reason Mr. Sheen has suffered disconnection?

      • Meepthorp

        No, I believe there’s been a huge “purge” this year of “old timers” who still have family in the cult, and Brian got caught up in that. What happened way back when in Miami- it just is what it is. The elites of the planet were really just plain old human beings.

        • George Layton

          That’s an idea, purge all of the relation that are not under the influence because sooo many people have seen Going Clear and they may start enthetaning.

  • Ben Franklin

    What happened to Anonymous? Not the movement, I mean the Bunker commenter

    • Jimmy3

      Pretty sure Obama relocated him to a FEMA camp. He’ll be okay.

      • Ben Franklin

        thanks for the laugh

      • Matt in Atlanta

        I found my time @ FEMA camp in Waveland Miss after Katrina rather enlightening in a mashocistic sort of way.

      • flyonthewall

        I didn’t know he was Japanese

        • Juicer77

          Too soon! It’s only been 70 years!

          • Mockingbird

            Survivors of Japanese internment camps are still seeking justice .

      • Mockingbird

        Watch out for chemtrails !! They have dihydrogen monoxide in them and 100% of people exposed to that chemical die !!! And all serial killers have been exposed to it !! Stop the madness !!

        • Jimmy3

          I never go anywhere without my spray bottle full of vinegar, brah. I’ll be alright.

          • Mockingbird

            Dihydrogen monoxide is found in every child with autism !! Save the children !!!

            • It is also a direct cause of death by drowning!

            • Mockingbird

              YES !!!!!! More proof !!

        • Robert Hammond

          I’ve got a bottle of dihydrogen monoxide right now so everybody stand back or I’ll drink it. (gulp) oops.. ahhhh..

          • Mockingbird

            NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will die ! That is found to be in people who go insane and commit suicide !

          • Draco

            You guys are nuts! :))))

    • ObsessedReader

      I’ve been missing Anonymous, 1subgenius and Mymy88. Has anyone seen them post recently?

      • Mockingbird

        I hope they haven’t joined Scientology.

      • Draco

        Hopefully they are just off somewhere living their lives.

      • SP Wogsy

        Mymy is okay. She was having some wrist issues and is mainly lurking these days.

        • Sherbet

          Oh, please tell her I sympathize.

          • SP Wogsy

            I will : )

      • Robert Eckert

        I’ve talked to 1subgenius, who has Real Life issues keeping him away but is well.

    • Allie

      I’ve also been wondering about Fred the intrepid reporter. Hasn’t posted in ages.

      • Sandy

        and from poland with love

      • Ben Franklin

        Fred posted that he was planning to take a break for a while due to health reasons

        • Allie

          Missed that post. Thanks, Ben.

  • nottrue

    What the fight was about I do not know…https://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/619660472539811840

    • Jimmy3

      She’s a Colt? Like an Indiannapolis Colt?

      • Juicer77

        Those are the Indiannapolis Irsays buddy, get it right.

        • Jimmy3

          Two wrongs don’t make a right. You guys shouldnt have stolen the Browns.

          • Juicer77

            I don’t know what you’re talking about. I was not there at the beginning of that transaction.

            • Jimmy3

              Uh huh.

            • Ben Franklin

              John Sweeney was there.

      • Matt in Atlanta

        Not enough cans of Colt 45 on the planet to induce me to hit on that mess!

      • Observer

        More like a Kansas Dolt.

      • MissCandle

        A Clut

    • Matt in Atlanta

      Alley is under the false impression that everyone thinks being a celebrity is different than us common folk. Meh. I worked with her. Not impressed in the least bit!

    • Draco

      Wow! KA is sure one classy broad: “I respond accordingly to people like u who think they can spew shit to celebs & R then appalled at what they say. You R a C–t” and “C–t….get along little doggie ..get along”

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Amazing spiritually enlightened OTVII stuff right here, folks.

      • Draco

        IKR? Back to the nasty schoolgirl name-calling. Come off the high school playground, Kirstie! You just look creepy hanging out with the other 14 year olds.

      • arcinva

        Didn’t she and Her Royal Gooberness recently do OT VIII on the rust bucket?

    • aegerprimo

      Wait WHAT? Kirstie used the C-word.
      Ugly.

      • April

        Kirstie *is* the C-word.

  • flyonthewall

    You know Saul from Breaking Bad? There is a number you can call and listen to a hilarious recorded message by him. 505-503-4455. I’m not trolling, it’s a for real number and it’s funny as hell

  • SP Wogsy

    O/T: We hit 300 recommends on yesterday’s article F5

    • Beth

      woot woot!!!! mission accomplished

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      THIS! IS! THE BUNKER!

    • Draco

      Excellent! It is an important story.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      My Disqus is wonky…

      • SP Wogsy

        Haha! That will make Dodo happy πŸ™‚

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’d still like to know if that’s a lot compared to other popular sites with Disqus. Or just a lot for the fringes?

      • SP Wogsy

        I have no idea since this is the only site on Disqus I visit, but that is a good question.

  • anoni81b4u

    πŸ™‚

    • Always Amazed

      Hmmmmm, that could put a kink in their britches. I worry about DIL now.

    • Matt in Atlanta

      Donated 13 million. Return on investment? ZERO!

      • Robert Hammond

        Loss on investment: $14 million and their dignity.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      A question that has been lingering in the back of my mind all day is:

      I understand that court reporters can make a very good living, but is it a reasonable possibility that a court reporting firm could make a cumulative 13 million dollars of disposable income for its owners?

      Keep in mind that I’m not asking if the firm could make $13M in revenue, I’m asking if $13M is possible as a firm’s owners’ salaries, bonuses and dividends paid. If so, dayum! the court reporter business makes more money than the entire courtroom, including the judge!

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Regular donations to the Church of Scientology: $13 million.
      Becoming fodder for Internet hecklers: priceless.

  • Robert Hammond

    Here is the Sheen interview that nobody is talking about (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg

    • Ben Franklin

      Tory made this on July 12th and I am watching it on July 11th

      • Robert Hammond

        She’s from the future. It’s a message to humanity.

        • Ben Franklin

          I knew it. Tory is special

          • Tory Christman

            Again…thank you Ben F. πŸ™‚

            • Ben Franklin

              Thank you Tory. Always a pleasure to see you calling out those cowards for all the despicable things they do.

            • Tory Christman

              Thanks, Ben…..I appreciate your kind words!

        • ze moo

          Where’s the Terminator?

        • Tory Christman

          Thank you, Robert…I like that πŸ™‚ “A message to humanity”…now that I love. πŸ™‚

      • Always Amazed

        As she says…… Time is on her side:)

        • Robert Hammond

          Now we know what she really means. ;^ ]

      • Tory Christman

        Ooops: You’re right, Ben! I just had the date wrong. Thanks πŸ™‚

    • Robert Hammond

      Love Tory. So direct and honest. Glad that people in Scientology are watching this right now and starting to think for themselves. Keep shining the Light.

      • Tory Christman

        Thank you, Robert! πŸ™‚ Will do…..oh yeah!

    • ze moo

      Tory is a Killer Bee!!!

    • Tory Christman

      LOL! “An adorable bee”? That’s my prison outfit πŸ™‚ LOL!

  • RBE
    • anoni81b4u

      Protest Jedi

    • Eclipse-girl

      i wish I had been able to talk with you over dinner πŸ˜‰
      Thank you for all that you do.

  • Quick flyby… talk about the ying and yang of this story… how about this as a headline:

    “Judge Who Jailed Kids for Refusing to See Their Dad Revises Decision”

    http://jezebel.com/judge-who-jailed-kids-for-refusing-to-see-their-dad-rev-1717202380

  • Jimmy3

    O/T: I peed a little
    http://youtu.be/0WWzgGyAH6Y

    • SP Wogsy

      WOW!!! HELL TO THE HELL YES. An entire 03:49 sec trailer too!!!

      • Jimmy3

        It looks amazing, I just hope it’s not too cluttered. There’s a lot going on. Like 8 different subplots in one trailer.

        • SP Wogsy

          It would be worth sitting 3 hours in the theater to watch that. I think that was Wonder Woman? I already love that sociopath character that says “The red capes are coming, the red capes are coming.” Badass! Thx for sharing. I’m totally watching that on opening day.

          • Jimmy3

            Yes, that’s Wonder Woman. And the sociopath is Lex Luthor, but he has long hair for whatever reason. I bet he’s bald by the end of the movie. Plus, I think that suit the Joker left a message on is Robin’s, maybe..? Lot of characters kinda thrown in there.

            • SP Wogsy

              I just googled it -it is Robin’s suit. I will bet you a Mamba that they keep the long hair. His look appeals to a younger audience. They probably did that to make moviegoers sympathize with him. I could be wrong, but I’m sure we will walk out of the movie loving/hating the revived Lex Luthor character.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              They have released a picture of Jesse Eisenberg being bald. Wasn’t Lex’s hair a wig in the original movies?

            • SP Wogsy

              I know I just saw it. I spoke to soon.

            • Jimmy3

              Yes. There are pictures of Eisenberg bald. Which is why I like my bet that he will be bald by the end of the movie.

            • SP Wogsy

              No worries, I only had yellow Mamba’s left anyways which is why I put it on the table.

    • anoni81b4u

      That’s no Dumb and Dumber 5, but I might watch it πŸ™‚

    • flyonthewall

      Breaking headline: Nation’s theatres die of superhero movie overdose

      • Jimmy3

        Breaking headline: Disqus commenter pretends he’s not going to see superhero movie on its opening weekend

        • Vaquera

          Did someone say superhero?
          https://instagram.com/p/5Ad9D0N3uI/

          • SP Wogsy

            Buahahahaha!

          • Observer

            Oy vey

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            Under normal circumstances, I would think curvy middle-aged superheroines would be pretty sexy. Under normal circumstances.

        • flyonthewall

          I saw and liked Avengers, Hulk, Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Thor, Superman and fuck knows what else but jesus christ enough is enough. I’m tapped dude, I give up, they all look the same to me now. I went 1200 rounds with the studios and I’m throwing in the towel. They have entertained me into submission.

          If it was done by someone intelligent like Nolan or Raimi I’d be interested but I’m gonna pass on this one, I need a break

    • I am just surprised they didn’t cast Vincent D’Onofrio as a Lexus villain.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        I love Vinnie D.

      • Vaquera

        He’s on my list.

      • Jimmy3

        I know you’re kidding, but I assume he’s under contract with Marvel (he played a badass Kingpin in Daredevil) and he can’t play a DC character for s while.

        • That show is awesome, btw.

          • Jimmy3

            You are correct, sir

          • flyonthewall
            • Nice.

            • *cough cough dorks*

            • flyonthewall

              it’s cool to be a dork nowadays. We have won. The planet is ours

            • Matt in Atlanta

              True that.

            • Mockingbird

              You sound like a Scientologist.

            • flyonthewall

              no need to get nasty M

            • Mockingbird

              Ha ha ! πŸ™‚

            • Actually I have it on good authority that this year’s comic-con marks the end of the “being nerdy is cool” fad. C’est la vie!

            • flyonthewall

              That’s just anti-Nerd propaganda from the reactionary Spaz clique. We have plans for them, don’t worry

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Verdict: still needlessly dark even though it features what is supposed to be one of the most non-dark characters in all of pop culture. Protip to DC: make your movie a little more upbeat and colorful. It’s part of what gives Marvel its appeal.

  • Her Vajesty

    I love conspiracy theories… I’m just wierd like that… has any one here seen the Elisa Lam story.. ugh it’s so terrifying… if anyone here has heard about it, what do you all think happened? ???

    • Miss Tia

      i had to google her name….if you had mentioned the hotel i would have known right away…..that hotel ALONE!!! my stars!!! but with her? it is terrifying….a movie with a similar plot line BEFORE her death? i have no idea what happened…..even the theory she went in there to swim makes ZERO sense…..if she was attacked by one of the long term residents on the upper floors, even that doesn’t make sense with how her clothes were found…..i spent a couple days down that rabbit hole…..

      • Her Vajesty

        Me too… it’s just wierd, the video of her in the elevator and the way she passed away. But if they had that image of her acting strange in the elevator you would think that they had footage of her getting on the elevator

        • Miss Tia

          and additional footage from the hotel—-like the roof…..and that water tank was locked….the hotel itself has a long strange history….

  • RBE
    • Juicer77

      Ooooooooooooo!

    • flyonthewall

      hope he has video and posts it soon

      • Simi Valley

        The clam grabbed the camera but didn’t actually remove it; no damage done. They did yank his flyer, though.

        • Simi Valley

          My bad … damage done … see my separate post above.

        • flyonthewall

          wonder wth crawled up his ass? Violent outbursts doth not a healthy psyche indicate

  • nottrue
    • outraged

      what a beyatch Jenna is. Poor her, she has to eat her kids’ homemade cake. She can’t see a blessing when it’s right in front of her face. Kind of like this cult I know about….

      • jazzlover

        She suffers from the “martyr syndrome” which is more common in parents than we think. It’s certainly a very odd way of bestowing love upon people you love.

        • romanesco

          At least the poor thing spared herself the agony of tasting the unofficial cakes.

  • romanesco
    • Clearly, he was still scientologist at the time.

      • romanesco

        He may still believe some of their hooey to this day. Who knows? Point is, the article says he quit the church in 1977 because it interfered with his business as an independent Dianetics teacher, not just that Scientology “receded into the background.”

        • Sherbet

          I think it’s clear Sheen wasn’t entirely truthful with Tony, but, no worries, Our Proprietor has an excellent BS detector. Still, it’s an interesting story and one that will be fun to follow.

          • romanesco

            Yeah, I just posted that link to show a little more perpective on the guy.

            I got a sense of how seriously Tony was taking the guy’s comments when I came to this lineΓ§
            It’s an explanation that only makes sense to Scientologists, but we told Brian that it makes more sense than anything else he’s explained to us.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    A message from Mr. Andres Rodriquez:

    “You people doan unnerstan! ETHICS HAS TO GO IN BEFORE THE TECH CAN GO IN!!!!!!!! An it say that in policy an so that is what we do in the Scientology. BOOM! Disconnect! Get rid of the guy, the SP!!! An then whahappens? THE STAT GOES UP EVERY TIME!!!!”

    http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Andres_Rodriguez3.jpg

    • And that stat is the number of seriously pissed off Exes. BOOM!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        “NO!!! It is only a tiny handful of the bitter dee-frocked ahh-postates!!! AND THE GUY HE CAN DO A-E TO GET BACK IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE CHERCH! That is policy Mr. Dodo, that is policy. An that is why WHEN APPLIED STANDARDLY the Tech always works.”

        • I don’t have time to do Ass-E, but I recently had a sizable inheritance. Can we work something out?

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            “Mr. Dodo, please to do the PM to me. We will get in good good good comm. I am your FSM and will sell you your entire BRIDGE TO TOTAL FREEDOM.”

            • jazzlover

              I got a bridge to sell ya, but it ain’t that one πŸ™‚

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              HEY JAZZLOVER!!!! Why doan jou make like a BT and blow?

              DOAN CRASH MY REG CYCLE!!!!

              I NEED THIS COMMISSION!!!

            • jazzlover

              LOL. Didn’t mean to get in between, but at the end of the day, mine’s purtier AND bigger πŸ™‚

            • Mockingbird

              You are an inurement billionaire !!!

            • jazzlover

              Better than an ignorant billionaire any day of the week πŸ™‚

        • Mockingbird

          I never got my fucking frock !!! That is why I am bitter you CICS who SCOHB !!!

    • Ben Franklin

      I am trying very hard to understand Mr. Andres Rodriquez but I am from another planet called Earth.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        “Come into the Org, Mr. Ben Franklin. You can get the FREE PERSONALITY TEST. An we can do a little course with you to get you in PRESENT TIME IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT ON THIS PLANET!!!”

        “Touch the wall Ben.”
        “Thank you.”

        “Touch the tree Ben.”
        “Thank you.”

        “An why then in a few hunnert hours Mr. Ben Franklin is in good comm with his environment and he KNOWS WHAT THE PLANET IS FROM LOOKING!!!! There is no of the thinkingness. Ben sees clearly for the first time. BEN KNOWS HE IS NOT HIS BODY!!!! BEN HAS THIS KNOWINGNESS AS HIS STABLE DATUM!!!!!”

        • Ben Franklin

          On one condition, I leave my wallet and all credit cards at home.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            NO MONEY??!!!

            THEN WE DOAN NEED OR WANT YOU IN OUR PLATINUM INFINITY DELUXE MODEL IDEAL ORG!!!!!

            • Ben Franklin

              What happened to helping mankind?

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              “The Scientology wants to help mankind, but only the mankind what has money.”

            • Ben Franklin

              Now I get it, in Scientology only the able needs spiritual enlightenment for $1000/hr. I have been thinking about starting a religion lately, mankind needs me. I have a bridge for sale.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              The Scientology works to make the able more able.

            • Ben Franklin

              More like robbing the able to make them less able

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES MR. BEN FRANKLIN!!!!!!

            • Mockingbird

              Can’t you use staff slaves and Sea Org slaves ?

            • Yes! To help able to help more able!

    • Mark

      Jou are jokin me, hunh? Dis ainno Andres, bussom nuggood Gringo wog bom pretendin he Andres. Boom!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        “Why would jou say there is jokin? THERE IS NO OF THE JOKIN AN DEGRADIN ALLOW IN THE SCIENTOLOGY!!!”

        “NOW GO AWAY ,MR. ‘I MAKE DA FUNNY SHOOPS’!!!!!”

        • Mark

          Dey is call SHUPSβ€”dat rhyme wit’ Chupa-Chups, dommy!

      • Happy Birthday, Mark! BOOM! πŸ™‚

        • Mark

          Thanks, Dodo! πŸ™‚

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Happy Birthday Mr. Mark!

            • Mark

              Thank-you, oh great Cham πŸ™‚

    • Mark

      Β‘Ha! No is Andres, bot is Mik Kanrokitoff from Tintin comic ‘Flight 714’… Β‘Te lo dije! (F5):

  • Eclipse-girl

    Early evening reminder (in the US)

    Please click the heart at the top of the comments
    PLEASE PLEASE may sure you have clicked hte heart on heart on the foll0wing article
    http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/28/the-richest-scientologists-in-the-world-get-a-new-trophy/

    Now if you can, please flag the CL ads.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    sorry about the pfft, I just like it

  • Simi Valley

    Fearless Chi Anons, Darth Xander and StrongStrength, raided Maiden Voyage # 3 tonight in suburban Oak Park. One of the clams grabbed SS’s camera, and even though SS still has possession of the camera, it was apparently damaged. Protesters have called the cops.

    • SP Wogsy

      Glad they called the cops.

      • Simi Valley

        They were going to let it slide because at first they thought the camera wasn’t damaged. When they discovered the damage, they called the cops.

        • SP Wogsy

          And it’s now on record. Ha!

          • Simi Valley

            There have been other instances of assault they they let slide in the past.

            • Observer

              Time to start nailing ’em

  • Vaquera

    Las Vegas Maiden Voyage event gets underway in one hour. Two people rsvp’ed via Facebook. Those Scio fundraisers are really packing ’em in.
    https://www.facebook.com/events/1095580773802090/

    • Juicer77

      I’m not talking to you. You stood me up. xoxo (f5)

      • Vaquera

        Come to Boston on August 24th!

        • Juicer77

          Oooooo, have to think about that…

      • Vaquera

        A part of me wants to drive the 2 hours to Hartford on Bastille Day.

  • nottrue
  • SP Wogsy

    I have nothing to add to today’s topic, because I am not surprised that the CO$ would declare someone who is no longer a Scientolgist after how many years? Anyways, I will say that if I had that kind of money to donate to the IAS for a stupid trophy, I would have at least offered to pay for the wedding even if it was just a small one, but that is just me. I hope you guys are enjoying your Saturday, and don’t forget to click on the heart-we already have 175 recommends! I will be expecting these stats everyday now Bunker! Peace out!

  • Simi Valley

    Another tweet from the raid.

    • flyonthewall

      You know of a vid w/Jay Mann? I don’t recall that name. He SO, public?

      • Simi Valley

        Public, and I believe a whale.

        • jazzlover

          Wow. Whales do hands on dirty work now?

        • flyonthewall

          he is from Chicago it looks like. Here’s a vid from 2012 where he’s using his get in yo face tech and getting himself all worked up

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXyHShCKuh8

          The write up from WWP on this is below

          ” Here’s the retarded drama from the Jay Mann and Meenu Mann thing for posterity. This happened right as we were winding things down and most people had left

          In his zeal to scream 6 inches from my face, Jay bumped me lightly, but yelled that I had bumped him. Shades of last year when he walked into me, and the front of his suitcoat brushed against my arm, and then shouted that I was assaulting him.

          As you might guess, it wasn’t the most productive conversation, but one thing that I took away from it is that the reasons why we protest seem to not register at all with him. This is despite the fact that he’s seen us out there for years. My impression is that he will never leave Scientology for moral reasons, e.g. if he sees abusive or greedy practices by management, or learns of the stories of human trafficking or free speech issues and decides to look into it. He seems totally uninterested in hearing the stories of anyone else. And if he did eventually decide to quit, I suspect it will be because he personally felt cheated in some way, or there was some other issue directly relating to him.

          As always, I reserve the right to be completely wrong. But he feels different from most of the other Chicago Scientologists. While a few of them can be massive douchebags as well, they seem to flash signs of their human sides too, and I get the sense that they are good people doing bad things.”

          https://whyweprotest.net/threads/chicago-scientology-postgame-feb-11-2012.100054/

          Final analysis – guy is a douche and always has been

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Oh, good grief. The Channel 5 thing is awful. Channel 5 is pretty shoddy all round, but this is extra embarrassing. Please don’t think this is the best we can do!

    However, the main article today is brilliant.

    • Robert Hammond

      At least it didn’t include David Icke or Alex Jones.

      Btw, hi Andrea. You back from the Alps? Any more pictures for us?

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        We arrived home this evening after a 12 hour drive to find that my first and only tomato plant hadn’t been watered all week and was swooned across the patio, gasping its last. I’ve given it the last rites and 3 litres of finest Tap…now we wait πŸ˜€

        I will post the rest of the Miss Lovely photos as soon as I charge my phone, probably tomorrow now πŸ™‚ In the meantime I’m catching up on the excitement from MV – thanks, Simi and Xander!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Drive to/from Switzerland? Whoa! I know you guys have that fancy chunnel thing, but you aren’t required to use, are you?

          The tomato plant obviously must have pulled it in…

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            We were in Morzine on the French side, a tiny bit further east than Geneva so it was quite a trek, but we’re seasoned travellers, and once we were through the Channel Tunnel – hallelujah – internet! I was scrolling like a woman possessed through the last 2 days of Bunker comments πŸ˜€

            • Robert Hammond

              Yes. It’s been a rough couple of days, especially yesterday. You were missed, but glad you had a wonderful time. I would love to visit the French Alps some day. Looking forward to your pics. You must be exhausted from the long trip. Get some rest dear.

            • Baby

              Oh I am so jealous.. seriously jealous.. I love traveling .. xo

        • Robert Hammond

          I recently saw your videos of your St Hill adventures. You are quite the lovely heroine yourself.

          • Baby

            Oh Robert she is absolutely beautiful.. seriously.. I would kill for her skin.. KILL.. Oh I remember those days..ha

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Will you stop! This from the woman who looks 25 years younger than she is. I only have great skin because I’m as fat as a pig (from cake, so it’s happy fat) which fills out my wrinkles. Top beauty tip πŸ˜€

            • Judith Sylvester

              I’ve seen your Facebook page, and you’re beautiful!

            • Baby

              I told you that if you ever said that you were fat I would Bitch Slap you to Hawaii.. but you love traveling so what is a Baby to do? xo

        • Simi Valley

          I’m just the messenger … DX and SS did all the dirty work.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I know, love, but you’re bringing us the news and you know how much we love news πŸ™‚

        • Jo

          Growing them for the first time too, along with strawberries, cucumber and lettuce. Don’t use tap water until after 24hrs, to remove chlorine. Btw, I haven’t seen a tomato yet, just 1 strawberry. I’m becoming a gardening nerd πŸ™‚

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Me, too, Jo! I have two green tomatoes and, despite the draught, they’re clinging to life (and the stem).

            • Jo

              Got them growing everywhere, my mum said that my porch looks like a cannabis factory, not sure why she thought that? She doesn’t even smoke. Will post you a pic, if I manage to grow one.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Please do πŸ™‚

              Also, did you ask your mum how she knows what a cannabis factory might look like?!

    • Baby

      Hi sweetie..I have been thinking of you and Em.. I’ve heard through the Grapevine that she is recovering nicely.. GOOD… love baby

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Thanks so much, Baby. Dee told me you’d been asking. Em feels she has this group of American friends who she has never met but who love her anyway, and she thinks that’s the coolest thing πŸ™‚ You’re all so lovely. She left hospital last Saturday and is feeling ever so much better now.

        • Baby

          Any daughter of my friend is a friend of mine.. xo You tell your little Bear she will always be your baby bear.. I will relinquish my name to her.. xo

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Aww, Baby πŸ™‚

  • Simi Valley

    Xander has been texting me the deets of this raid incident. The police arrived and went into the event to arrest Jay Mann. SS showed the vid to the cops. Possibly Jay will pay damages on the spot to avoid being arrested.

    • jazzlover

      He should have to get down on his knees πŸ˜‰

      • Simi Valley

        This is a vid of Meenu Mann, Jay’s wife, arguing with Sindy Fagen at a past raid, saying she’d take a bullet for David Miscavige.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEnChx-6h38

        • jazzlover

          Ouch. She’s fucking nuts.

        • flyonthewall

          that’s his wife!? Ha! I remember this vid, she’s a nut

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I would take a bullet for you Fly. I would.

            • flyonthewall

              Thanx Betty, hopefully it won’t come to that but you never know. The internet is a dangerous place.

              I would also take a bullet for you, as long as it’s a rubber one

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              It’s a jungle out here, and I’m armed with only some day-old pain au chocolat and a flossing pick, but I have your back, my friend.

            • flyonthewall
            • jazzlover

              Step.away.from.the.pick. (You can have the chocolate, though) πŸ™‚

            • Juicer77

              Are you my lost twin?!?

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              We found each other, Juicer!

            • Juicer77

              (f5)

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Heehee, I loves you, I do! πŸ˜€

        • Baby

          This video has always resonated with me.

          Bullet? Kool Aid.. No difference.

          • Robert Hammond

            The sadness of madness.

        • Ben Franklin

          That’s weird. Why do they always run away to go back and hide in the building after saying something crazy? I wonder if she would still have the same feelings if she were to spend spent 3 or 4 years in the RPF

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          “[Meenu Mann would] take a bullet for David Miscavige.”

          Don’t flatter yourself for the privilege, hon. If given the opportunity, Miscavige would throw you in front of it himself regardless what you think.

        • 1. No one is trying to shoot her Dear Leader.
          2. He is probably already wears a bullet vest, but not on his foot.
          3. Legal disclaimer: we do not advocate violence.

          • Jimmy3

            Though if someone was aiming at David Miscavige, it’d probably hit her in the foot.

    • mud

      Not Jatinder Singh Mann?

      • Simi Valley

        Yes, he and his wife are Indian, and Jay is a nickname/anglicized name.

        • May be he was trying to provide tech support. Cheap shot, I know.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        This is his Facebook account? https://www.facebook.com/jatinder.s.mann

        • Simi Valley

          I think so; I don’t know the Manns personally.

    • Simi Valley

      Xander says no arrest, going to be cited for ordinance violation. I have no idea what that means.

      • Robert Hammond

        Sounds like a ticket and a fine.

        • Ben Franklin

          a pat on the rist

          • Robert Hammond

            He should have been treated like a king – Rodney King.

    • Simi Valley

      SS and/or Xander will post more on wwp with vid(s).

      • EnthralledObserver

        Looking forward to seeing the vids…

    • Supper Powers

      About time there some accountability.

  • Robert Hammond

    The Frisky reports more enlightenment from the lovely OT 7 Kirstie Alley: http://www.thefrisky.com/2015-01-13/kirstie-alley-im-not-some-fucking-fake-ot-7/

  • flyonthewall

    Pretty sure this is also Jay Mann. You’ll notice he is consistent in his assholeish behavior

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeXrkLfE5Xg

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      He really likes to get toe-to-toe, doesn’t he.

      • flyonthewall
      • jazzlover

        Classic “alpha male” crap. Jeez, don’t these people realize that they’d make for perfect psychological case studies? πŸ™‚

        • Watcher

          No, that’s ENTHETA!!!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          You’re right. They are the only ones who can’t see how peculiar their behaviour is; to the rest of us it’s anti-social and narcissistic.

          • jazzlover

            Might even be worse than that. Each might cover some characteristics of at least 6 of the 10 personality disorders πŸ™‚

      • lynn

        A good Italian sausage sandwich with lots of onions, peppers, and garlic may cure him of that stunt..maybe.

  • daisy

    I am not sure about peoples time zones and tv times but there is a piece about Jonestown and cults on the show The Seventies. Lawrence Wright was interviewed

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      The episode is about 70’s crime. The funny thing is that even though they don’t discuss the CO$, when he is talking (mostly about Jonestown) the caption reads “Lawrence Wright – author of Going Clear.” WIN!

      • daisy

        Thanks

  • daisy

    CNN not the half hour show with the much discussed Miss Prepon

  • daisy

    If you miss it CNN often reruns their documentaries

  • aegerprimo

    A couple of articles regarding Brian Sheen worth checking into and to supplement what Tony has provided for us today…

    The Lives Of Brian He`s A Self-made Millionaire Who Believes He Once Lived On Another Planet. He`s A Financial Guru Who Hopes To Be A Rock Star. Still, When Brian J. Sheen Talks, People Listen.
    http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1987-05-24/features/8702170757_1_mickey-sheen-millionaire-previous-lives/2
    (dated May 24, 1987 by John DeGroot)

    More Scientology Miracles! And L. Ron Hubbard Tells You How to Make a Slave
    http://www.villagevoice.com/news/more-scientology-miracles-and-l-ron-hubbard-tells-you-how-to-make-a-slave-6665393
    (dated February 22, 2012 by Tony Ortega)

    • Snake Plissken

      He was neck deep in Hubbard’s roleplaying game, hopefully he’s grown up a little since then and learned to embrace reality.

      Advance! Issue 20 (Aug/Sep 1973)

      There I was, outside late at night, far from my body, watching two fellows suspiciously walking by an apartment house. There was a girl of about 22 inside the apartment house getting ready for bed. A short time passed and she was asleep. Then the two fellows threw a garbage can under her window, opened it and broke in. The girl didn’t have a chance. She was stabbed as she attempted to yell. The place was ransacked and the men ran.

      In the morning I was in quite a muddle. I knew I’d see headlines about the incident in the newspaper, but they weren’t there. All of a sudden I realized it hadn’t happened yet! It was going to happen tonight!

      I was greatly relieved and thought “What can I do?” I decided to exteriorize at the same time that night and handle it.

      That night I went there, saw the same guys doing the same thing they did the night before and the girl doing the same thing, too.

      But as the two walked by the apartment this time I put out an intention to divert them from the very idea of it.

      They walked right on by, never even noticing the window of the girl’s apartment. She had a good night’s sleep and woke up with the dawn. — Brian Sheen, OT

      • aegerprimo

        Brian was neck deep, family deep, financially deep.

      • Jimmy3

        And that girl grew up to be Queen of the Unicorns.

        • aegerprimo

          Snort. ☺

        • jazzlover

          Is THAT what happens when ya get hopped up on Niacin? πŸ˜‰

          • aegerprimo

            Sadly….. no.

          • Snake Plissken

            You probably have to mix it with formaldehyde and smoke it to get that fucked up

            • aegerprimo

              Don’t try that at home.

            • Snake Plissken

              You got that right I don’t want to wake up in the middle of the night with a sudden urge to rescue the Queen of the Unicorns

            • aegerprimo

              Snake… whatever you are smoking… I’m a nurse and just don’t smoke. But if you do… stay hydrated (drink LOTS of water) and get some sleep.

            • daisy

              There seems to be a lot of nurses and medical people on this blog. I have noticed recently .I wonder why. Any explanations.

            • aegerprimo

              Interesting comment… There are always many scientifically trained people commenting here.

            • jazzlover

              Keyboard guard pays for itself again πŸ™‚

      • jazzlover

        Words escape me.

      • tripe

        “He was neck deep in Hubbard’s roleplaying game,”

        As if there is any such thing as not role playing. πŸ™‚ Not playing a role is just another role, it is playing the role of not playing a role. There is the “bunkaroo role” hooray, that’s a beauty. There is the ‘you are a troll but I am not a troll role’, it even rhymes. There is ‘I am sad by what I read on a blog today role’ full of sincerity and goodness. There is the impressive ‘I am outraged by what I read today in a blog role’, full of sound and fury and oozing importance and goodness.

        There is the classic of all time ‘what are you talking about, only other stupid people play roles but not smart wise amazing me role’!!!!.

        • Jimmy3

          I am a lvl. 99 You Are A Troll But I Am Not A Troll. I have maxed Super Lulz skill and maxed Troll Reflect Shield.

        • Snake Plissken

          When I think of a Scientology OT I picture a man in his mid to late 60s with his arms outstretched and a propeller on his hat, who is making engine noises and pretending to be an airplane … but he’s not roleplaying he really believes he’s an airplane.

          • tripe

            That is exactly what someone playing the role you are playing would think and picture. Great job. You nailed it.

            • Snake Plissken

              you’re still here?

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Hey Tripe did you know that LRH used an adult film actress “Mary Jane Shippen” in the training film “The Case he couldn’t Crack.” http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0794140/ And before you say he didn’t I’ve personally veriefed this since my dad used to be married to her before he met my mom.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Actually, It was before the Church drove a giant wedge in that marriage by saying my dad was declared SP aboard the Apollo which he wasn’t and after her auditor had f’d her.

            • tripe

              Men and women do the darndest things to each other don’t they. Whatever happened to that “wedge”? Is it in a garage under a dusty blanket somewhere? Could be worth something.

            • tripe

              Today he might have used Sasha Grey.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Honestly, how sane can you expect the articles to be inside a magazine when THIS is on the cover? ACK!
        (Refresh)

        • Snake Plissken

          He’s probably so stoned in that picture that he thinks he’s tuning in station on a radio.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            LOL! And I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the tune playing in the “Chicago Scientologists Are Nice” video (below) was playing on a continuous background loop in his head 24/7!

          • Sherbet

            “What the? How come I can’t get Fibber McGee and Molly on this thing?”

        • daisy

          Yeah right. Your comment made me piss my pants laughing cause its so true.

    • Robert Hammond

      In case you missed the earlier Sheen interview discussed downthtread: (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg

  • anoni81b4u

    I was lurking on the fringes of the internet and found this. At least he did one thing right .

  • When can I post something beyond ridiculously off topic? Two more hours? Three?

    • anoni81b4u

      when ever you like πŸ™‚

      • No. No. That’s not how it works.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Rules are meant to be broken.

        • Robert Hammond

          Now is good. It won’t be the first time today. We’ve already crossed that line, speaking for myself, at least.

          • jazzlover

            Hey, Robert. What happened to that Kirstie article (interview with Stern) you posted a while ago? It seems to have disappeared.

            • Robert Hammond

              I realized it was from January. Nothing new. Just about the Howard astern interview. I took it down before people started saying “Hey that’s an old article.”

            • Robert Hammond
            • jazzlover

              I did see it and wanted to reply to it. And I wouldn’t have ragged on you πŸ™‚

              I did find this particular passage interesting:

              Anyway, Alley informed Stern that she is proud to now be an OT-7, OT meaning β€œOperating Thetan.” This is the same level as Tom Cruise, which she described by saying, β€œIt means that you have gotten rid of all the things that would create aberrated behavior in you that you didn’t want.”

              Does this mean she’s ok with all of her aberrant tweets?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      We’re on a 24 hour schedule, so it’s always late enough somewhere….

      • Hmmm . . .

        • jazzlover

          He’s right. Just do it, dammit πŸ™‚

        • flyonthewall
          • Baby

            If you would ask me what Celebrity is a Scn. ( and I wouldn’t know) I would say

            Shia LaBeouf.. Wack job

            • flyonthewall

              worst.human.ever

            • Baby

              He still doesn’t beat DM fly..

              Beat DM.. I love that phrase

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              This is genius, Nat!

            • Snake Plissken

              That reminds me of something that should have been in ‘Being John Malkovich’

            • flyonthewall

              That’s seriously the best thing I’ve seen all week. I am in your debt madam

    • aegerprimo

      Dooo eeeet! now.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Embrace present time… besides, now we’ll beat you up if you don’t do it now.

    • Baby

      Uh Hello? That has NEVER stopped any of us..hahahhahaha

    • Jimmy3

      I hope it’s a Batman v. Superman trailer.

      • Robert Hammond

        The new Star Wars video is cool too.

        • Jimmy3

          Factually correct, Bob.

        • Baby

          O/T My cute little fuzzy wuzzy doggy bit me on the leg when I got between she and her sister tugging on a rope. It hurts.

          Thought I would break the ice.. with my O/T story

          • Observer

            πŸ™

            • Baby

              I know.. ugh.. I will take a picture when I put new batteries in.. sigh That little shit. If she wasn’t so damn cute she would be in trouble.

              It was clearly my fault..

            • EnthralledObserver

              I always used to say that if my kids weren’t cute I’d have eaten them… I guess it’s the same principle here, right? πŸ˜‰

            • Baby

              Oh absolutely.. same thing.. Forget the picture I took a picture of my leg and ugh.. No seriously Ugh..

              I am the Whitest woman in Florida.. by far

            • EnthralledObserver

              Tender white flesh… might elicit more sympathy though.

            • Juicer77

              Poor Baby. Tough when you get caught in the middle of a battle. Been there!

            • Baby

              They were tugging and tugging so aggressively.. and both were barking and snapping and of course..

              Me? Had to get right in between these snapping barking nutters..

              They have NEVER bit me before.. I was shocked .. She nailed me..

          • Jimmy3

            Your cute little fuzzy wuzzy doggy told me she only bit you after you spit on her. Tsk.

            • Baby

              pppffffffffffffft

            • flyonthewall

              best.comment.ever.

            • Baby

              You guys are getting too Tight. 2 ornery guys together BAAAAAAAAAAd

              2 ornery girls together? We are so bad we are good.

            • flyonthewall
            • Baby

              awww so cute.. I’ve seen this before… awwww

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Are you ok? Did she break the skin?

            • Baby

              Yep.. I’m alright..and yes she broke the skin.. It startled me more than anything..but she went into her little time out cage for like 2 minutes.. and that broke my heart..

          • aegerprimo

            WHat?

            • Baby

              Nat wanted to post an O/T story.. and so of course I had to post mine Aeg

            • aegerprimo

              Whatever you say here is not OT (off topic) in my book. Same for Nat.

    • Cedilla

      .

  • PappeKak

    $cientology. Orders of magnitude worse than you could ever imagine.

  • Simi Valley

    Another update from Xander … quoting this time … “Officer said technically it’s an arrest. Go to court July 30.”

    • flyonthewall

      well then he should of technically thrown Jay in the back of his squad car and locked him in the pokey

      • Simi Valley

        I’m sure it will be explained when they have a chance to write up everything on wwp. Xander is a licensed Illinois lawyer and can explain all that legal shit.

        • flyonthewall

          nice

        • Supper Powers

          Glad Xander and the rest are OK.

      • Simi Valley

        Just got this update from Xander: “Officer said he felt situation did not warrant putting him in cuffs and taking him down to the station.”

    • jazzlover

      Is an arrest really an arrest without bracelets?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Does an arrest make a sound if no one is there to hear it?

        • jazzlover

          Only if it’s overridden by the sound of one’s nutty wife taking a bullet for Miscavige.

      • Robert Hammond

        Arrested development.

      • Simi Valley

        See reply downthread.

    • Simi Valley

      Earlier at the raid, one of the clams had a copy of Xander’s (false) arrest in CW on his phone that he showed Xander as if to taunt him for being arrested (falsely) by the cult, which the CW police later said was false and dropped the charges and even disciplined the arresting officer. Then this clown winds up getting arrested. Me likey.

      • Observer

        How very ethical!

    • Juicer77

      This makes me angry… real angry. Just back from work so I may have missed something, but if someone had grabbed my camera like they did, I’d be in the pokey for assault.

      • Simi Valley

        Scilon Jay Mann got busted for grabbing SS’s camera at a raid tonight. Camera was damaged. They also grabbed a flyer off SS.

    • Supper Powers

      So it’s a citation type arrest. I just called the Oak Park PD and they did not have him, so that makes sense.

    • Leigh Andrews

      If you get a traffic ticket or are cited for some other offense, your signature on the citation is your promise to appear in court on the specified date. It’s kind of like an “own recognizance” release without the need for a judge. If you don’t appear without arranging for another date,to appear, you can and probably will be cited for failure to appear, which in many jurisdictions turns into contempt of court and a bench warrant if let go long enough.

  • flyonthewall

    Did everyone get their free 7-11 slurpee today? I got Sourpatch watermelon and it was yum

    • EnthralledObserver

      Can I get you to post me one?

      • flyonthewall

        That’s me in the middle mocking you. You want some of this EO? You do don’t you? MMmm it’s soo sour and cold. HAHAHAHAHHA!!!!! F5

        • EnthralledObserver

          Aww… c’mon… seriously dude… smh… cruel.

          • flyonthewall

            I’m sorry, here you go. Next time I’m going to eat some sourpatch kids while drinking one! Do ya dare me?

            • EnthralledObserver

              πŸ™‚ Do be sure to record it… you know, for all our amusement.

            • jazzlover

              Kinda looks like Gumby, dammit.

    • April

      We don’t have a 7-11 in my town. :((

      • flyonthewall

        Huck’s? Piggly Wiggly?

    • Supper Powers

      So OT but I’m dying. Thank you!

      • So off topic but I cannot stop laughing. I think I’ve watched it eight times now X’D

        • Missionary Kid

          I guess you’re easily amused, but I’m glad you’re laughing. People here need a break occasionally from all the evil $cientology shit. Thank you.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Hur hur πŸ˜›

    • aegerprimo

      LOL! β™₯

    • EnthralledObserver

      What the… lol

    • Robert Hammond

      How is that off topic? That’s Scientology, isn’t it?

      • flyonthewall

        It’s all how you package it.
        For example: This is Beyonce after completing her L’s. Or Beyonce does an interpretive dance of OTIII

        You get the idea

        • Vaquera

          I am laughing so hard at the vid and my sis and brother-in-law are looking at me as if to say, “How low-brow can you be?” It just makes me laugh more.

          • Baby

            Hey Texas.. being on the Bunker..

            ” We ALL GOT FRIENDS IN LOW PLACES..” ( Thanks Garth Brooks..)

            • Vaquera

              I consider the Bunker my cerebral hang-out. The clever is off the charts.

            • Vaquera

              Though Sis did laugh at your “It’s 10:30” caek.

            • Baby

              Me and Sissy

              Swingin in a Tree..

              L U R K ING ..xoxo

              [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/Laie_23.gif

      • Snake Plissken

        Yep it’s Scientology

        https://youtu.be/VyHt830S0vI?t=1m20s

    • Missionary Kid

      Ahh, yes, a reinterpretation of the chicken dance.

      • BEST.CHICKEN.DANCE.EVER.

        • Supper Powers

          Yeah an hour later, I have to go look at it again.

    • I think this is a lot funnier…..

      https://youtu.be/zv9FXqoq3kw

      • No XD

      • Baby

        Lush I miss your Blog

        • there have been a few interesting developments behind the scenes…. we’ll see how they progress

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Lush, I’ve been wondering what would happen if Trump came out in favor of revoking the CO$’s tax-exempt status and having the Feds investigate all of their myriad of abuses? Would your head explode? The one in your avatar, that is. JK πŸ˜‰

            • Trump tech vs OSA tech would indeed be a sight to see….. maybe South Park or Adult Swim could have a go at imagining it

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Trump vs. Miscavige would be quite entertaining – “Who’s doing the regging?” I wish someone would ask him if he’s seen Going Clear. HeeHee

          • Baby

            I will wait until my next diaper change.. ; D

      • Sherbet

        Doug E. Fresh, scientologist, invented beatboxing, you know. Lotsa talent, them parishioners.

    • Robert Hammond

      Is that OT 9?

    • Vaquera

      Never seen that one. Hilarious.

  • Juicer77

    Happy birthday, Mark! Hope you are doing (did) something fun!

    • Baby

      Happy Birthday Mark.. xoxooxoxo Made you a CAEK big guy.. we love you and your shoops.. Woo Hoo refresh

      • Juicer77

        That is TOTALLY something I would make! XD

        • Baby

          hahahha I know Juice..

      • Mark

        Thanks, Baby πŸ™‚ Thank goodness it’s internet caek-baekingβ€”or I’d soon be even bigger!

        • Baby

          We had your Birthday party without you Mark..ha.. Hope you had a good one honey..xo

    • Mark

      Thanks, Juicer! Had a nice quiet day πŸ™‚

  • EnthralledObserver

    What’s the eta on that raid/arrest vid, Simi?

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
    • Robert Hammond

      Best = Fail!

    • April

      From Andrea’s first link above:
      Violations substantiated: Physical facilities inadequate for the type of service provided, no annual performance evaluations of staff members, no program director on-site, failure to provide adequate job training to staff members, failure to cooperate with state surveyor inspections, failure to comply with recipient rights regulations, failure to inform clients of the risks and possible side effects of discontinuing prescription medications, violating clients rights to be free from work the facility would otherwise employ someone else to do, accepting clients ineligible for admission, e.g., suicidal, inadequately informing clients about the general nature and objectives of the program, e.g., treatment location, or, the rules of the program, lack of appropriate medical evaluation, assessment and care, non-compliance with client activity regulations, and deviation by the program from the plan of operation for which the facility was originally licensed (10 beds) which adversely affects the character, quality and scope of services provided.
      Additionally, a program evaluation revealed that 45% of clients leave the program against medical advice.

      Yup, sounds like a Narconon facility alright. And apparently 45% of the patients had the good sense to get the hell out of there.

      • Robert Hammond

        Sounds like all of Scientology.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        In interviews with clients and staff, it was noted that clients could be put on an ethics cycle if they broke a program rule or if they wanted to work off any fine they may have received. Several clients mentioned being put on 3 to 5 days of 12-hour work details primarily scrubbing and cleaning toilets.

        From the inspection report.

        • Jimmy3

          You know, Scientology may be a disgustingly evil crime syndicate, but they damn sure have some of the cleanest toilets you’ll ever see. Credit where credit is due.

          • Ben Franklin

            Clean toilet without toilet paper = unusable

          • scottmercer

            I’m glad they are keeping (some of) the buildings they own in good shape for whoever the next owner is.

        • Sergeant Pepper

          Review of reports (knowledge reports) revealed that
          some security staff were writing up clients for sleeping and not attending class. While being written up by security, no documented evidence could be found that the program was taking any action to address the clients who did not participate in their scheduled classes or counseling sessions.
          Also from the inspection report.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Unbelievable.

        • Baby

          [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/bliss.gif

    • Missionary Kid

      Holy shit, Batman, Best is the Worst. It should be shut down immediately. No one is in charge when inspected, untrained staff, building code violations.

      Typical NarCONon behavior. License? Permits? We don’t need no stinking license or permits, we’re NarCONon, a division of $camco, a division of $cientology.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        The inspection report is equally fascinating.

        • Missionary Kid

          They just don’t give a shit.

          The only person they haven’t pissed off is the fire marshal, and the fire marshal can shut a facility down immediately. People don’t understand that fire marshals have police powers. Tinkering with the fire alarm or the sprinkler system can, if the fire marshal gets pissed off enough at non-cooperation, result in immediate shut down.

          The building inspectors and the various licensing bodies can only move to revoke a license, and it’s a civil matter, with a lot of fights to get compliance that end up in front of a judge, and, in the meantime, they can keep operating. I hope the state moves for license revocation, but that’s only a hope.

        • Robert Hammond

          If by “fascinating” you mean “horrifying” then yes it is. Quite fascinating indeed. ; ^]

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Yup!

            • Robert Hammond

              And things like this..

              “Review of the website for Life Solutions or http://www.stopyouraddiction.com only had
              a link with pictures to A Forever Recovery (on a lake). No link to Best Drug Rehabilitation Services was provided on this website, which is where the clients thought they were going.

              Some interviewed clients had no idea how they were to get home stating that the program
              did not advise them how this process worked. It was also discovered that a majority of
              clients that either dropped out of the program or didn’t have money to get home were driven to and dropped off at a homeless shelter in the Muskegon area.”

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Isn’t it awful, Rob?

            • Robert Hammond

              You already know it’s bad. But just when you think you’ve heard it all, it gets worse. As the axiom states, Scientology – It’s worse than you think.

              I tweet this info to legitimate rehab groups on twitter where Narconon is always trying to weasel their way in on chats.

    • Sergeant Pepper

      Additionally, a program evaluation revealed that 45% of clients leave the program against medical advice. That’s why their success rate is only 76%.

    • Baby

      These are teeny bits I live for Betty Boop.. Just one little nugget at a time.

      and You know how I act when It’s BREAKING News from Tony Macaroni

    • Sergeant Pepper

      Here’s hoping the Dept of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs doesn’t attribute these failings to incompetence when we know it’s deliberate.

    • Ruby

      Wow…the inspection report.
      Let me say, as someone connected to a business that gets various inspections, this report is HORRIFIC and I would be very concerned if the business I work with received something like this.
      Our company misses dotting an “i” and we are on top of it. These violations are …bad, and subject to huge fines if reported to proper authorities.

    • He keeps spawning new sock-puppet corporations.

      Category:Serenity Point A pity. With the previous Best Drug Rehabilitation Marne, Inc. dissolved, I’d hoped he’d given up on that location.

      Half of them, I swear he gets the corporate officer names by picking out of a Russian phone book β€” Which raises questions about how he met his second wife…

      His gimmick seems seems to be to have as many corporations sharing as many locations as possible, then play hop-scotch with clients, making a real nightmare for family to try to locate exactly where those clients are when they finally research Per’s operations and Narconon and want them out of there. (I doubt any of those locations are the promised luxury spa.) Plus, with every new name change, he hopes to leave bad reports behind.

      Off to cross-link to those NarcononReviews pages. Can’t have too many pages nailing him down!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I’m such an idiot. I didn’t even pick up on the fact this is another Per Wickstrom concern.

        • Michigan, it’s all Per Wickstrom.

          Elsewhere, my pages are all nicely indexed on the corporations. Narconon of Northern California might rename to Halcyon Horizons after calling themselves Narconon Vista Bay, but everything hangs on the main incorporation.

          Since Per swaps and shifts companies all the time, everything connects to him!

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            You’re building the best database of its kind here.

            • And NarcononReviews is the best of its kind, and RHill’s is the best of its kind, and Mike Gormez’s archived sites are the best of their kind, and Kristi Wachter’s sites are the best of their kind, and Dave Touretzky is just the best. Lots of other bests too.

              The idea is to accumulate information and link it to together so that it’s there for other people in the floating analyst pool to do likewise. And we pass notes on places like Reaching For The Tipping Point.

          • Matt in Atlanta

            Scientologist and all around asshat Per Wickstrom is attempting to or has opened another quack narCONon facility in a small town in North Carolina.

        • wewantyourmoney

          You’re not an idiot. It’s purposefully confusing.

  • aegerprimo

    Mark! It is your birthday! Here is your caek! β™₯β™₯β™₯

    • Ruby

      ^^^ happy birthday, Mark!

    • Sherbet

      Perfect cake for Mark.

      • Ruby

        I found a small garden statue of a flying pig at my local nursery recently and thought of Mark!

        • Sherbet

          Snortimer gets around.

          • Ruby

            I love my Bunker friends and think of them even when I am not here.

            • Vaquera

              ^^^^^

            • Baby

              Well, We Love you too Rube

            • Ruby

              XXOO

            • Sherbet

              I can’t believe how many hours I spend schmoozing with all of you. Mark is a real gem. He’s probably tucked into bed right now and not reading his birthday greetings.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Never fear, I’ve been sending them all to him, Sherb!

            • Sherbet

              Oh, good!

            • Mark

              But I have now!

          • Ruby

            Check out the pic I posted just above.

        • aegerprimo

          Oooooo, take a picture!

          • Ruby

            I will do that this week. πŸ™‚

          • Ruby

            ok, I went to the nursery and got my own Snortimer…let’s see if I can post this …

    • Baby

      OMG.. hahahahhahahahah Snortimer.. You are a genius Surgery Nurse Aeg

    • Eileen

      The best!

    • Jo

      That’s a great cake, happy birthday Mark. http://youtu.be/KGSPUOaHYn4

      • Mark

        Thank-you, Jo πŸ™‚

    • Mark

      Bless you, Aeger! <3

      • Ruby

        Mark, see below the pic I posted for Aeger. πŸ™‚

  • Simi Valley

    Someone asked downthread if this is Jay Mann’s facebook page … I don’t know him or his family, but he lives in Chicago and there is some clamspeak on his page, so it may be him (Jatinder Singh Mann).
    https://www.facebook.com/jatinder.s.mann?fref=ts

    • Watcher

      Apparently his family is very “theta.”

      • Simi Valley

        Yes, that’s the same clam word I noticed.

    • jazzlover

      There’s that culty Toastmasters again. LOL. And ah fuck, he likes Led Zeppelin II πŸ™

      • Supper Powers

        I know. You want to go rip the good stuff out of the hands of the unworthy!

        • jazzlover

          If he were a real Indian, he’d be listening to THIS good stuff (featuring my favorite geetarist on the planet):

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm8ycb5zjoo

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            That is incredible, JL. Indian music is so beautiful and evocative but this is Indian music on speed! πŸ™‚

            • jazzlover

              Yes, it’s east meets west, if you will. You wanna hear Johnny Mac on speed? Check out Mahavishnu Orchestra (yes, he was a huge practitioner of eastern religion, along with Carlos Santana):

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcQKjffxIOY

          • Supper Powers

            Great stuff. Thanks for introducing me to it. This will play all day tomorrow during chores.

            • jazzlover

              You’re welcome. I believe the full album is up on You Tube. It was recorded at a college on Long Island back in the mid 70s.

    • Robert Hammond

      He lists his favorite music as Jive Aces. Other favorites include Abolishing the Federal Reserve, L RONALD HUBBARD, and Jenna Elfman. Yeah. I think he might be a Scieftologist.

      • Simi Valley

        Ya think?

      • Jimmy3

        I just assumed listening to the Jive Aces was an RPF punishment. People actually like them?

        • Robert Hammond

          No they have to listen to Thank You for Listening by Source.

          • scottmercer

            Followed by Burp Cola.

        • villagedianne

          Second prize, two Jive Aces CDs!

    • Robert Hammond

      I was looking to see if his favorite restaurant was Teegeeack Fridays.

      • jazzlover

        You kill me πŸ™‚ (At first I thought you were having a hiccup attack)

      • scottmercer

        Great one. Five stars for that quip.

  • Tony, are you in DC yet?

    • Juicer77

      He can’t confirm or deny that πŸ˜‰

    • Sherbet

      Ask OSA. They’ll know.

      • My telex machine is broken.

      • Baby

        Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahhha OMG.. hilarious Sherbie

        • Sherbet

          Why, thank yew…

    • Snake Plissken

      His Meat Body is in DC, his Thetan is having a Margarita at CafΓ© Lou in Gretchen Town

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Any Bunkerites in Baltimore? I’ll be there in a couple of weeks for Otakon.

    • Ben Franklin

      Just ask OSA Dodo, I think they must be working 24 hours a day just to figure out Tony’s where abouts and who he is with.

  • Sherbet

    How’s the tomato plant, Betty? Should we send in lrh to stab it with a nail and attach it to the e-meter?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      It’s completely dark and still outside. I thought I heard something scratching at the back door a few minutes ago, and a whispery voice saying “Feed me! Feed me now!”, but I dismissed it as hearsay πŸ˜›

      • Baby

        [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/meatballs.gif

        • Baby

          I wondered when I would ever use this when I saw it Betty.. hahhahahha Perfect timing

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Hi Baby!

            • Baby

              There you are Todd.. I’ve been wondering where you’ve been..

            • Todd Tomorrow

              We must have just missed each other. Sent you a note a couple nights ago but you were just making a “special guest star” appearance. LOL

            • Baby

              Really? Did I get it..hahahhaha I do miss you guys..I’m feeling great today.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Were you ill sweety?

            • Baby

              I am having tests now Todd to determine why I have no energy and sleeping so much.. I’m not worried.. thanks honi

            • Todd Tomorrow

              My Mom had those very same symptoms and it tuned out she wasn’t getting any quality sleep because she wasn’t absorbing enough oxygen. She has a history of asthma since she was little girl. This all just happened last month. Anyway, she had to go on Oxygen when she sleeps and sure enough it got better almost over night. Unlike you and I she’s never been a smoker so I’m not sure if that makes a difference.

            • Baby

              I have been wearing a Nose strip lately.. when I’m awake even..just in case. Thanks honi.. xo I will mention it to my Dr.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I’m so glad. Are you looking after yourself? Is that gorgeous man looking after you? What am I saying? Of course he is πŸ™‚

            • Baby

              He is keeping me fully stocked with Diet Coke, Gatorade and cookies..and pizza..

              I don’t have much appetite, but I do it for the taste.. so done losing weight. ( Which I needed to do..) but not important to me now.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Perfect, Baaaaaa…………*skritchy skritchy*

          NOM.

          *silence*

          • Todd Tomorrow

            ? Betty, what’s with all this code?

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Ooh? Code, Todd? I can’t see anything weird. What does it look like?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Baaaaaa…………*skritchy skritchy*

              NOM.

              *silence*

      • Sherbet

        Yeah, couldn’t be anything…

      • Vaquera

        ….

        • Baby

          One of my favorite musicals.. Saw it on stage fabulous ..

          • scottmercer

            I really enjoyed that and I’m not a fan of musicals. Probably because all the songs were deriviative of pop song hits from the time period of the original film (early 1960’s), and not the usual “Broadwaaaaaayyyyy” histrionic melodrama.

            • Baby

              My hubby hates musicals Scott.. sigh.. He promised me to go once a year with me..

              We’ve been together for 11 years.. One musical..He was miserable. So I took him off the contract..

      • Robert Hammond

        Be careful, Andrea. They may be angry, real angry (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_PrRd-Y56c

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Haha!

          • Robert Hammond

            Don’t run to the phone booth whatever you do.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I noticed that! Woman runs into phone booth, clothes fall off πŸ˜€

            • Robert Hammond

              She kind of looked like you too. ;P

  • jazzlover

    More of my fave Mahavishnu Orchestra. This features Gayle Moran (before McLaughlin passed her off to Chick) and Jean-Luc Ponty:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq2plJIzrhc

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      1:20 is great πŸ™‚

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Is that the silent part?

        • jazzlover

          Hey now. Be nice.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Just joking around given her aversion to anything called jazz.

            • jazzlover

              Purists wouldn’t call that jazz πŸ™‚ It’s that dirty little stepsister called “fusion”. LOL

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Shhh, don’t tell I-Betty.

            • jazzlover

              Now you’ve done it. Now she knows. LOL πŸ˜‰

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Oi, I’ve got my eye on you, sonny! Also – hello πŸ˜€

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Glad you had a lovely holiday and your Ems is doing well.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Ahh, thanks my lovely pal πŸ™‚

      • jazzlover

        That’s Narada Michael Walden on drums. He also played some with Jeff Beck, and like Quincy Jones, went on to greater fame as a pop music producer.

    • Techie

      Gayle Moran, often on stage in the Starlight Cabaret on the Freewinds whenever Chick was there. In the 90s they were both often part of the entertainment for the week of Freewinds Maiden Voyage Anniversary events. They have the main event with the blah blah and faked videos, then a quick break while the band platforms are pulled out and secured, then they do a music show. When Chick did his thing of becoming one with the piano, plucking the piano strings directly and banging on the sound board, it was quite a show. It is a tiny venue so the front row is almost able to reach out and touch the performers. Gayle Moran with teen heartthrob Leif Garret, suborned by the Way to Happiness into the Way to Sappiness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJPQmsyy-Fw

      • aquaclara

        With Leif Garret, star of 1970s Tiger Beat. I hope he left Scientology alone.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Sadly, he is a junky prostitute now that’ll sleep with anybody for drug money. Still has some fans that want to recreate that fantasy of their, Tiger Beat days. There is a 15 minute audition tape floating around where he tries to get into adult movies. Sad..

          • aquaclara

            Double ugh.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Sent me down the rabbit hole and learned he really never really had a chance. His Mom wasn’t going to be like Brooke Shield’s stage Mom and interfere. Not only was he ripped off by everyone around him but he started doing hard drugs real young. Was speeding and overturned his car putting his best friend into a wheel chair for the rest of his life. Although he promised to always take care of him he was soon unable to take care of himself. There is a video of him singing w/ Frank Stallone and Chick Corea, on youtube but it is too painful to watch.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          I don’t know how long he was in but there is a CO$ “Celebrity” magazine where he is one of 12 clams on the cover.

      • jazzlover

        Was Leif into Scientology? I know he’s had some major issues with addiction.

  • Reddit thread where the Redditor said he wanted to see a movie about Tom Cruise escaping a cult

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I noticed that earlier, Wayne. The poor guy can’t catch a break! πŸ˜€

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Late night seafood! You want take out Tony? πŸ˜‰

    • Looks like Freddy Krueger’s hand. My bad.

      • Robert Hammond

        In your dreams. ; ^]

        • Hey, I live on 4th and Elm!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I guess that knocks out seafood when I’m up there….

            • Fish can be a seafood. πŸ™‚

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Ah…fish = good, bottomfeeder = bad. I got it.

            • Nah, I just like fish better. They don’t remind me of the Alien movies.

      • Observer

        You are correct, sir!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        The power of seafood compels you! Sorry, Exorcist reference.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Yum, I do!

    • SP Wogsy

      I just salivated in awe looking at the picture. That looks DELICIOUS!!!!!

    • Observer

      Ooooo, low blow!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        You wanna see the after shoot? Tray was empty. I’m a piggy.

  • aquaclara

    DC ! Go, Tony! Go, Paulette!

    • Robert Hammond

      Hope FBI, IRS agents, members of Congress, and reporters from the Washington Post attend the event. This is important information concerning national security.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Or at least they get some local press coverage that gets someone in Washington off their ass.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Wishing the dynamic duo a very successful event tomorrow–they deserve a house packed to the rafters. However, bureaucrats and politicians attending a work event on a Sunday in July in Washington? Normally, God Himself would have to be the featured speaker for that to happen, and then there would likely be some empty seats because the Vineyard and Nantucket have beckoned. But that’s okay…each of these events is raising ever higher public awareness of the atrocity that is $cientology. Tick tock. Can’t wait to hear news from DC tomorrow.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    I don’t care what anybody says, I’d bet they’ve killed several people. Too many suspicious deaths surround those bastards!

  • aquaclara

    Hubby watching Jayden in Karate Kid. Ugh. It may pass in a few moments.

    • Juicer77

      I actually enjoyed the remake and was impressed by his acting. Nothing tops the original, tho. RIP Jerry Weintraub.

      • Jimmy3

        I have to agree with Juicer. Jayden’s Karate Kid was not bad. I don’t really remember his acting, but overall the movie was okay.

    • aquaclara

      Oh, good. Son and hubby ” it is a stupid movie. Will Smith just wanted his son to get famous.”

      Whew. That’s over.

    • aegerprimo

      Wax on… Wax off.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Clap on..Clap off!

        • aegerprimo

          Watch the movies not the commercials. Heh heh.

          • SP Wogsy

            Heh. I see what you did there : )

  • Vaquera

    Excellent Instagram shout-out to our proprietor by Paul Haggis concerning yesterday’s sexual child abuse article.
    https://instagram.com/p/5BJVU-pyxz/

    • Vaquera

      Sorry, Paul’s comment didn’t show in the link. Here you go (f5):

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        #FuckScientologyForTheirCrimesAgainstMothersAndChildren

        I love Paul Haggis.

        • SP Wogsy

          Yes-I love his foul mouth and passion ; )

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            Paul and Jason Beghe should have a curse-off.

            • SP Wogsy

              YES!

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Okay, Tony, make it happen. Next time you have a big conference in Toronto or wherever, make Paul Haggis and Jason Beghe do a curse-off!

        • daisy

          Ditto

  • Supper Powers

    Have we heard from Tony?

    • No, his Internet connection was taken over by the cats.

      • Ben Franklin

        Bunker cats are like no other cats.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        On July 11, 2015, at 11:35 p.m., the cats became self-aware…

    • SP Wogsy

      He’s probably sleeping. I believe he pulled an all nighter to write today’s post then he had to pack for DC.

      • Ben Franklin

        TO never sleeps, I have seen him post stuff here past midnight

        • SP Wogsy

          I am so glad I did not bet any candy that he is sleeping. I would have lost. He just posted. WTH! You won me over. He doesn’t sleep – lol.

          • aegerprimo

            Yep, I am convinced that Tony O does not sleep.

    • aegerprimo
  • Tony Ortega

    Evenin’, droogies. Had a lovely day today in the District. Hope to see some of you tomorrow.

    • SP Wogsy

      Question…do you ever sleep?? : )

    • Oh, hi! Wishing you guys a great day tomorrow!
      Get Anonsparrow or someone on security detail and take lots of pictures, please.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Speaking of that, does anyone know how to do an image facial recognition search? For free?

        • Yeah, get some friends in FBI/CIA.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Seriously though, I thought you kind of could with Google, but I tried looking around earlier today and could not hearsay any good answers. I want to out our PI from Clearwater.

            • Shit, I could hardly google image recog some famous paintings.

            • Also, any pro PI won’t have any of his/her photos online.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              We ARE talking Scilon PI, so……pro is certainly in question. I’m mean if stupid old me could spot him, obvious PI was obvious.

          • Vaquera

            Smartie. πŸ™‚

        • Supper Powers

          I use Tineye for general photo lookups. Don’t know if that helps.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Tell me more…

            • Robert Hammond

              Reverse image search: https://www.tineye.com

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Cool. Just tried it with no luck, but someone there got a better, straight-on shot of his face. I’ll try to get that one.

            • Supper Powers

              It’s sort of helpful. I used it to scan that PI stalking Tony but nothing came up. It’s not very refined.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Hey, Tony πŸ™‚ Apparently you threw an all-nighter last night. Early one tonight?

    • Robert Hammond

      Hope you invited some FBI, IRS, Congress and Washington Post reporters to tomorrow’s historical event.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Hell, even invite The Washington Times. I’m sure the Moonies would be eager for some dirt on their competitors.

        • SP Wogsy

          Zing!

        • Robert Hammond

          Good point. They can keep the heat away from themselves. More recruits left for them. Actually, since the death of Moon a couple of years ago, they haven’t been doing much recruiting. They’ve been keeping a pretty low profile. Still have billions of dollars in real estate and businesses though.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Sorry I can’t make it tomorrow. (I’m taking a business trip to the Otakon artist’s alley in Baltimore instead.) Hope all goes well.

      Off-topic, but I also hope you got my e-mail proposal.

      • Baby

        Uh Sebastian..I don’t think Tony wants to get married to you.. Just sayin

        • SP Wogsy

          I am cracking up over here! You sure know how to start a party at the bunker Baby : )

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          No, last night Wogsy suggested that I send Tony my portfolio so he could consider having me do illustrations for the Bunker.

          Tony’s not my romantic type anyway.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Zinger!

    • Robert Hammond

      Have fun in Capitol City (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Iajr1tzNg

    • Baby

      Hi Bossman.. I am keeping the droogies from catching the Bunker on fire.. They are a wild bunch..

      I will have the entire report for you later.. The men on here are Bad Tony. Real Bad

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Reeeeeeeeeeeally bad.

    • Eivol Ekdal
  • Baby

    Ok just so you don’t think I was exaggerating about my cute little doggy bite.. errrrrrrrrgh.. My leg looked so ugly I put it in black and white.. and left the focal on for the bite.

    Yes..I’m keeping it clean.. Yes she has had her shots.. Yes it hurts. Here is the mean dog..errrgh

    • SP Wogsy

      OMG!!! But …but… he looks so sweet!

      • Baby

        errrrrrrrgh.. Like AntiFreeze tastes sweet in liquid.. ( she CocoPuff..But lately Coco Nuts)

        • SP Wogsy

          Omi….I’m scared to ask. I’m just glad you are okay. Your dog is adorable except when..

          • Baby

            She is a Good Girl. First ( and Last) time it has/will happen.. She went for my other dog and my leg got in the way. She is really good with my grandkids.. big baby

            ( I have warned them about the 5 dogs and what they should and should not do around them ) but I didn’t follow my own lecture.. errrrrrrgh

            • SP Wogsy

              You and me are on the same page Baby- this is the perfect time to bring out the whip.

            • Baby

              Hahahhaha.. can you imagine?

              I save my whips for my hubby Wogsy..(OMG bawwwwwwhahaha)

            • SP Wogsy

              Hahaha! I said that to L. Wrong and posted a whipping app video the other day. He didn’t appreciate it. It must be a girl thing : -)

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Are you kidding? I’m waiting for the real thing!

            • Baby

              Well wait until I see you again Buddy… JUST WAIT

            • SP Wogsy

              ……oh dear…..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Driving to your island NOW!

        • Ben Franklin

          she looks very innocent

          • Baby

            She is sitting on my lap now giving kisses.. SHE IS GOOD.. OH SHE IS GOOD.. ERRRRRGH

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            Sounds suspiciously similar to, “But he was always a quiet man who kept to himself…”

    • Meri

      sad face

      • Baby

        Thanks Meri.. I had an angry face when it happened.. ha

    • Jimmy3

      I’ve seen that before. That’s definitely a weredoggie bite. Good luck with your new life as a Werebaby

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Ow, that looks SORE! But, I’m sorry, just one look at that puppy’s face and I know you did it to yourself to get the puppy in trouble.

      (Seriously, though, that does really look sore. Keep an eye on it!) x

      • Baby

        Ow is right..and it happened yesterday. She gets in trouble all by herself..
        ( Shredding TP is her favorite hobby..) I am honey..thanks.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Once they have a taste of human flesh, watch out!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        πŸ˜›

      • SP Wogsy

        They turn into a doggie vampire?????

        • No they will crave it!
          XD

        • Baby

          My 5 are all vampires..

          THEY SUCK THE LIFE OUT OF ME.

      • Baby

        Aren’t you supposed to be asleep.. You have work tomorrow.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          You got your days criss crossed, Baby. Tomorrow be Sunday. I got nuthin’ except bumping little kids off the road at the go-kart track on my schedule.

          • Baby

            OMG today is Sunday..? Jeeze Who Knew?

            Shit I forgot to go to church.. ( bawwwwwwhahahhaa)

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Baby, you could go to early Mass if you stay up 6 more hours.

            • Baby

              Ohhhhhhhhh REVERAND is in the House.. I’ll get right on that Rev. Dee

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              You cold do that Fook it Meditation Hilarious.

            • Baby

              Oh I do it daily Mama.. ” JUST FOOK IT..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              All the holy water would boil away, Dee.

            • Baby

              [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/shame.gif

            • Vaquera

              Ha! I’ve been doing the same all dang day. Hours ago I was complaining that no one at the DC book event was giving us updates. Well, I suppose the weekend will feel an extra day longer.

            • Baby

              and I couldn’t figure out why any of my Sunday programs weren’t on..

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan
            • SP Wogsy

              Omg! Omg! My favorite line is: Take a moment to appreciate the silence, “Those assholes can’t piss all over a purity like this.”

            • Baby

              Girl..that is priceless..

      • ^^^^^^

    • aegerprimo

      Keep that clean with hydrogen peroxide.

      • Baby

        I absolutely knew 100% you would say that..ha… I am.. sigh

        • aegerprimo

          I’m a nurse and I am watching out for your wounds.

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            Always good to have our own nurse on the Bunker!

            • aegerprimo

              Thank you and glad I can help.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Hi Baby, good to see you even with a bitten leg, you’re cute! Just got back from having late dinner and hoped to see you here. Yea!

      • Baby

        Hi Mama.. just chillin.. getting ready for bed.. Dinner? You are a busy bee..

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Just refreshed, wow, that a nice deep one. I’ll bet she’s sorry too!

      • Baby

        When I put her in her time out cage her 3 sisters and brother stayed outside the gate kissing her through the grate. IT WAS PATHETIC.

        • Missionary Kid

          Please forgive me, Baby, because I’m writing this out of concern, but your dog is trying to tell you something, and I believe you’re not hearing it.

          I worked my way through college as a summer meter reader for the L.A. Dept. of Water & Power, and I’ve had contact with probably well over 10,000 dogs. In the 45+ years since, I’ve learned a lot more. We didn’t have mace or anything like that, and all I ever had to use was a medium to small sized, leather bound notebook that we could use as a shield. I never kicked a dog or even drew my steel meter hook for opening up meter boxes. I usually got bit about once a summer because I misjudged a dog or misread my directions. It wasn’t their fault.

          I wrote a long rant about why you got bit, but I’ll sum it up by saying that you’re treating your dog like a human, and she’s confused because genetically, she’s not. That doesn’t mean that you should stop giving her affection, it just means that you’re thinking of her as a human baby or in human terms. She’s just told you it’s not the right thing to do by biting you, because genetically, she’s a pack animal, and has thousands of years of breeding to act that way, and you’re not the leader of her pack.

          She is cute, and lovable, but she’d never bite the leader of her pack. She thinks she’s the leader of her pack (including you). That makes her confused and unbalanced, so she escalates her behavior and gets out of control and into fights. Trust me, it can be a dangerous way to have a dog thinking. It’s your job to become the leader of her pack. When you do, you’ll have a better relationship with all of your dogs.

          I’m not saying your dog is vicious. I’m saying she’s neurotic, and you can bring her out of it, but I believe you need to learn how dogs think and become the leader of her pack. (Vroom, vroom).

          You do not have a calm dog. Calm dogs don’t escalate their behavior to the point that they get into fights with other dogs and bite people.

          • Baby

            Oh I understand exactly what you are saying Kid.. All the other dogs see me as the Alpha dog..

            and she is neurotic. I will work with her like I did the other dogs.. She really complies when I put her on her back.. No wiggling or fighting.

            Thanks for your concern. Seriously.. xo baby..

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. I was worried that I might offend you, but you understand.

              Some of the ways that dogs try to show dominance is by jumping up on you, climbing on you, or on something close by, particularly to put themselves above your eye level without permission.

              They will try to claim your space (be it bed, or couch) as their own.

              They will go through a door, particularly the one going outside, before you, like a leader does.

              They will be allowed to eat before you. (The leader of the pack always eats first).

              Lately, I’ve become a devotee of Caesar Milan. He advocates that dogs only learn when they are in a calm, submissive (not cowering or afraid), relaxed, state.

              We forget to look at dogs from their point of view, just as when I was a parent, I’d forget that what bothered me was something entirely different than what bothered my kids. That didn’t mean catering to them, but asking, “What reward do they get out of their behavior?”

              Dogs can read us better than we can read ourselves, and they pick up a lot of unconscious clues that we send out. I’ve seen dogs go into attack mode, not because they are angry, but because they’re fearful. Owners Masters Human members of their pack often pick up or pet their furry friend in order to calm them, when what the dog understands is that they’re being rewarded for their behavior, IMO.

              The reason I no longer have a dog is that I believe that they need to be treated as another member of the family, and there are too many places that I go where a dog (especially in this desert heat) can’t be with me.

            • Baby

              Oh I love Caesar and have always followed his teachings..

              You know my I did drop the ball on Coco.. Because I haven’t felt good I didn’t put the work into her like I did the other dogs.

              I have been sleeping more than I’ve been awake. I do appreciate your advice. You have always been the calm in the eye of the storm around here. I have always appreciated your advice.

              So I will use the techniques that I have had with the other dogs. I did it today and it worked. I babied her too long because it was easier than correcting..

              Had I known this illness was around the corner I would not have gotten a 5th dog. sigh.. but she’s not going anywhere.. I will keep a close eye on her and nip her behavior in the Bud..

              Again thank you for waking me up.. smooches.. baby

            • Missionary Kid

              Wow! My concern was for you, and it turns out that I didn’t need to write all that I did because you already knew what you needed to. You just needed a little prodding.

              I’m glad that you’ve already started the necessary work. Raising dogs is like kids in that, as the old Fram filter commercial goes, “You can pay me now, or you can pay me later.” They meant that you can pay for an oil change and filter now, or you can let it go and have to pay for an engine overhaul later.

              In other words, even though it’s a pain in the ass, by stopping behavior before it escalates can be a real pain in the ass, but it prevents future disasters.

              I’m not all that calm. It’s just that I’ve been around long enough and done a lot of different things, so that I’ve seen a lot of things before.

              I just finished a rant about the “Real Housewives” programs. I wasn’t real calm about them.

            • Baby

              I was kidding about the Real Housewives..ha..

              There is a new sheriff in town at my house.. You would laugh Kid.. Coco started acting up..

              and put her on her back.. and then put her in the Time Out cage..She started barking loudly after one minute..

              So I kept her in the cage, but put her in a large room with the lights on away from everyone.. with the door closed..NO OTHER DOGGIES TO KISS HER THROUGH THE CAGE..

              Left her there for half an hr. When she got out she went to her doggy bed and she has been there ever since ( That NEVER happened before) She has been in her bed for like 3 hrs…

              She’s usually jumping on my lap or bugging the other dogs who are trying to sleep..

              Wow.. so glad that I listened to you. New Sheriff..New Dog.. Yay I am so happy. Prodding is exactly what I needed. She won’t even look at me.. FABULOUS.

              She knows the PARTY is over..hahahhahahha xo

            • Missionary Kid

              Wow. You done good, Baby. Coco will probably slip, but not for long.

              She now knows not to say, “I bit the Sheriff.”

              May your wound heal swiftly and your health improve. It seems you’ve got the doggie situation pretty much handled.

            • Baby

              thank you Kid.. She knows exactly what will happen when she slips.

              I’m SO DONE.. and she knows it..

    • daisy

      Those shit zsu can be little shits. I hope it heals soon. Keep it clean.

      • Baby

        Yep.. that Bitch was a little shit.. ( Bitch as in the female dog) thanks daisy

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Do you want her… (clicks gun) …eliminated?

      • Baby

        OMG Sebastian you sound like a Scientologist.. NOOOOOO take me save the dog.

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          I was going for “mob assassin,” but whatevs.

    • OMG!!! Bad Doddy!

      • Baby

        BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBad to the Bone..

    • flyonthewall
    • EnthralledObserver

      Bad puppy… but she did a good job. I’m confused now… am I eating her, or what?

      • Baby

        She is sitting on my lap..so I’ll let you eat her next time EO..

        • EnthralledObserver

          OK

    • May_West

      Doggy is going ppfffffffffthtuppp.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Can’t believe that cute little innocent-looking thang did that! Hope you heal quickly Baby.

    • Georget1952

      A very good friend of mine had the same breed of dog as yours, and he was a biter too. He could come up to you and want to be petted and have a fuss made over him, all cute little puppy stuff. But in mere seconds he would morph into Cujo and try to take your hand off. My mom got bit by him many times, but I never touched that dog. I would talk to him and smile at him but also tell him that I was not gonna fall for the “please put your hand down here, I promise I will be nice” thing.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Geez and I’m whimpering over the zillion mosquito bites I got tonight. Poor Baby!

      • Baby

        Oh Emmie.. Whimper away…I HATE mosquito bites.. Ugh and you got a Zillion Bazillion? We are both poor babies..xo

  • Simi Valley

    Court date re protesters and scilon Jay Mann … Oak Park City Hall, July 30th at 9:30 AM.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Thanks, Simi πŸ™‚

    • aegerprimo

      Okay… who is Jay Mann?

      • Jimmy3

        There are a few threads about him down there. |/
        He ripped a camera out of a protester’s hands and damaged it, so they called the cops on him.

    • seriouslyWTF

      Is there video of the assault?

      • Simi Valley

        The protesters showed some footage to the police; don’t know all the deets.

  • Vaquera

    A midnight (EST) serenade for Bunker folks and scio watchers. Thanks to Tony’s well-written, fact-checked reporting and all of you who speak out against the abuses of the Co$, I know in my bones that A Change is Going to Come.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf7rkB9wx8U

    • Robert Hammond

      Yes it will. Thanks for the song.

    • Baby

      Thanks Texas.. beautiful tune..so talented

    • Missionary Kid

      I love the Neville Brothers, but Sam Cooke’s version is what really “Sends Me.”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbO2_077ixs

      • Missionary Kid

        Yeah, I’m old enough to remember when it first came out. Sam Cooke wrote it, and I was 18 when I first heard him sing it.

      • Vaquera

        I’ve been on a Neville Brother’s kick all weekend.

    • Missionary Kid

      Here’s the back story to A Change is Gonna Come. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Change_Is_Gonna_Come

      Edit: A lot has changed in 50 years, but more is needed.

  • Baby

    To all the men on the Bunker.. I am keeping peace while Tony is away.. Just sayin
    [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/susel.gif

    • Robert Hammond

      So anything goes, right?

      • Baby

        Robert you are officially on my list.

        • Robert Hammond

          That sounds like a good thing. (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHXvosmjaOI

          • Baby

            OMG I have heard this son 1,000 if not a million times and I thought it was..

            ” Because your Kiss.. Your kiss is ON MY LIPS..” HAHAHHAHA

            • Robert Hammond

              You’ve come to the right place to learn the important things in life.

            • Baby

              You are officially off the Bunker bad boy list.. I feel so smart right now.

    • flyonthewall

      you know I’m going to have to post something really bad right? You pretty much forced my hand

      • Baby

        2nd on my list..I’m watching

        • flyonthewall

          2nd!? I’m insulted

          • Baby

            I am sorry Robert Hammond beat you for first place.

            • flyonthewall

              Now I know who I have to kill…

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              (Hands over grenade.)

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Challenge accepted, Baby.

      LET THE ORGY BEGIN.

      • Baby

        3rd.. Where’s Butt Plug Hubs?

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          Just 3rd?! But I brought a gimp along with me and everything!

          • Baby

            You got an EXTRA star for posting that Doggie Video.. We don’t like it.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              (mumbling) …Fly liked it.

            • Baby

              And what does that tell you?

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              That she’s the ballsiest person on the thread right now. (Drops microphone.)

            • Baby

              I meant about Fly? not me silly..

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              I thought Fly was a she.

            • Baby

              OK now you got me confused.. FLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY .. are you a sweet girl or a bad boy?

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              A girl would never show a picture of a dog thrown over a bridge eh?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Or her wiener on a plate.

            • WRONG! But please whatever you do don’t ask him to prove it because I’m sure he would delight in doing so.

            • Supper Powers

              I do not doubt this!

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Must… resist… temptation…

            • She has a marvelous beard.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Maybe if everyone didn’t use avatars (necessary though that may be), I would know everyone’s gender.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            HA! Take number, chump.

            • Baby

              Oh Mr. Plug..I’ve been waiting for you..

              You sit next to me sweetheart.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Who made you the Bunker Ethics Officer?

      • Baby

        See my post to you further down.. Mr.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Been there, done that, now the ball’s in your court, missy.

          • Baby

            [IMG]http://i59.tinypic.com/w0tm5k.gif F5

      • Vaquera

        Clearwater Library tech.

        • Baby

          Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahhahaha OMG Texas..hahahhahahahha

    • No Baby, you gotta channel Snape. Then they’ll behave. Lol.
      http://media.giphy.com/media/aJICYlVnr6yBy/giphy.gif

      • Baby

        Snape Tech Channeled Nat… We sweet women have to stick together..

        • EnthralledObserver

          <<< πŸ˜€ you know I loves me some Snape Tech!

          • Baby

            Ha… You are in charge of the Snape Tech EO..xo

      • EnthralledObserver

        <<< Oh yeah… (look left) <<< you know I appreciate the Snape method.

  • daisy

    I am delighted with the sharp, clever wit of the followers of this blog. My family keeps looking at me laughing my ass off in the corner. I find so many sad things in this subject that laughter and apparently making one laugh is a great coping skill

    • Robert Hammond

      Sometimes we just have to laugh to keep from crying.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Here’s a joke then:

      A man buys a robot that slaps people whenever they lie, and he decides to try it out on his son. “What did you do this afternoon?”, he asks.

      “Oh, just some homework.”, his son replies, and the robot slaps him. “Okay okay! I was watching porn!”

      “What? I didn’t even know what porn was when I was your age!”, replies the man, and the robot slaps him.

      His wife sighs. “He is definitely your son.” The robot slaps her.

      • daisy

        Ha Ha.- I bet its even funnier with your delivery.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Joking and degrading is good for the soul, despite what Hubbs said.

    • Baby

      Daisy have I officially welcomed you.. I have been running in and out lately.. Welcome honey.. OMG you get our humor.

      A lot of people don’t..hahaha LAUGHTER IS SUCH A GOOD THING.. xoox

      • daisy

        Thanx sweety

        • Baby

          *** Curtsies ****

    • flyonthewall

      i hope you are reading the bunker or something and not just cackling maniacally in the corner for no reason bc if it’s the latter your fam has good reason to be concerned

  • Simi Valley

    Sorry that the Disqus format can make for messy, spread out commentary. Just a recap of tonight’s story:

    Chicago Anons flash raided Maiden Voyage #3 event tonight in Oak Park, IL. Scilon Jay Mann assaulted SS, one of the protesters, and damaged his camera. Protesters called the police, who went into the event and removed Jay Mann. They made a citation arrest (i.e. arrestee not cuffed and taken down to the police station but was released in his own recognizance); court appearance set for July 30th.

    • scottmercer

      Whatwhatwhat??? Expecting cries of persecution from the SciBots in 3….2….

    • Simi Valley

      I’m guessing that Xander will represent the protesters in court. Jay Mann will prolly bring in some pricy defense lawyer.

    • romanesco

      Thanks for that. I do wish they had hashtags or something.

      • Simi Valley

        Xander tweeted it tonight but I think the only hashtag he used was #Scientology.

        • romanesco

          Thanks. I just wish there was some way of sorting comments on Disqus.

          • Missionary Kid

            You can change your setting to Best instead of Newest. Sometimes that helps.

            • romanesco

              Thanks; I’ve tried that, and it does help sometimes. But I was talking about sorting by sub-topic.

    • Baby

      “Protesters called the police, who went into the event and removed Jay Mann.”
      ………………………

      Ohhh a little enturbulation at the even.. Loving it..Thanks simi

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    Off-Topic: 211 years ago today, the most awesome event in American politics happened… (F5)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V_DsL1x1uY

  • Question to OSA Int: is the data on every poster here filed in a pc folder like fashion or it’s in a digital format?
    Also, click on that heart please.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      My file would probably read like a skin rag.

      • flyonthewall

        is skin rag another word for porno?

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          Yup. (IJK though.)

          • flyonthewall

            Why would it read like that? Are you promiscuous?

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              I’m being self-deprecating, Fly.

            • flyonthewall

              Oh ok, No judgments here if you are a man-whore or whatever. Just be careful out there ok? Great, I’m glad we had this discussion

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              I know my way around those… you know… issues. Let’s change the subject then.

            • flyonthewall

              by issues do you mean venereal disease?

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Christ, yes, why don’t you ask me about the health of my colon in front of everyone, why don’t you?! Don’t read my jokes so literally.

            • flyonthewall

              Does it burn when you pee Sebastian?

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              I’m exaggerating, Fly. I’m not really that promiscuous. It’s called self-deprecation. FFS.

            • flyonthewall

              Self-depreciation? Is that some kind of S&M thing? I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be so ignorant

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              No, it’s something in comedy where you mock yourself.

            • flyonthewall

              You do what to yourself now!?

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Uh-oh. Am I the only one afraid that the next question asked here is going to be “Have you ever had anything to do with a baby farm”?

            • flyonthewall

              Fly’s attempt at humor 2nt πŸ™

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCRIr5uKt84

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Stop, Fly. This isn’t funny to me, only frustrating.

            • flyonthewall

              I’m sorry, I was just messing with you. I really was trying to make it obvious. I will be more careful who I joke with and how next time

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I thought it was funny, you sexy bearded lady.

            • flyonthewall

              you mean dragon, sexy bearded dragon

            • Supper Powers

              Ha ha ha!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      My very own folder? It’s too exciting to contemplate.

      • Just make sure to wear fresh underwear.

      • Jimmy3

        Ooooh… Do you think they’d let us decorate them? I wanna cover mine in Pokemon stickers!

        • Supper Powers

          I like this. I want mine housed in a Trapper Keeper.

          • Me too — with prismatic rainbow unicorn stickers.

            • Supper Powers

              I would have guessed that!

            • anoni81b4u

              oh the 80s … I remember when all the cool kids had one
              I did not have one πŸ™‚

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I’ve got a bunch of old Stinky Stickers for mine.

          • Supper Powers

            My favorite was the skunk.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Odd.

            • Supper Powers

              I know. I like the smell of real skunk too.

            • flyonthewall

              i know what kind of skunk you’re talkin’ about πŸ˜‰ puff puff give give

            • Supper Powers

              The actual critter.

            • flyonthewall

              a marijuana critter?

            • Supper Powers

              Yes Fly, the endangered high desert marijuana critter.

            • flyonthewall

              I have a funny story that’s just perfect for this thread! Are you ready?

              So I was riding the bus home from work and it passes the zoo. The whole bus fills up w/the stench of animal poop or something horrible, idk but it was gross. The next stop after the zoo the stink is still lingering and the bus picks up this regular passenger, young lady. She takes a big whiff and goes ” Damn someone’s been smokin’ some chronic up in here boy! Woo! Gimme some of that!” And the bus driver, totally deadpan says ” Uhh, that’s monkey poop.” LOL! It was the best

            • Supper Powers

              That will wipe the cool off somebody’s face right quick.

            • flyonthewall

              right! She was all “Huh? Oh” Freakin dummy

            • Supper Powers

              Is the City Museum still there?

            • flyonthewall

              Fuck yeah it is! My wife works there, I can get you in for free. Just let me know if you’re ever in town

            • Supper Powers

              It’s one of my favorite places in St. Lou. I need to go next month. I’ll holler.

            • flyonthewall

              Cool. No place like it anywhere, it’s a real gem. Nite

      • Todd Tomorrow

        with a plastic cover, covered in vaseline.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      You mean the 70 individual posters that the troll claimed were all the people that had ever posted here.
      Hey OSA good luck getting a pic for my folder, you puss-filled, chicken shit, stinky arseholes.

  • Baby

    OK ethics officer going to bed.. Those boys exhausted me.. If any brave lady wants to take over ..Have at it.. Nighttttttttttttttttttttttttt.. xo Baby

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Nite Baby, me too!

    • Vaquera

      Night, honey. Sherbet, your number’s up. Sherb? You out there, Sherb?? Damn, it’s a free for all.

      • Baby

        hahaha.. Texas just stay calm and carry a big stick ( Some pres. said that)

        • Vaquera

          I’m support staff, not a line leader.

      • Supper Powers

        There is no stopping them, I swear.

  • Lady Squash

    Forget the Comm Ev. The deck is stacked against you. Truth will not win out. However you should know that there is a difference between a refund and a repayment. You technically did not ask for a “refund”. You asked for a repayment. You asked for money to be repaid to you for services you never took. You could perhaps apply pressure on that point. Never mind, you’ve now gone public and that is a whole other “crime”. Sorry Brian. That just sucks

  • Sleep well all/have a good day. You are safe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWKJ2FUiAQ

  • Vaquera

    Salsa music today at the Co$ L.A. Watching it in a loop, the official woman is cracking me up. I’m obviously up way past my bedtime.
    https://instagram.com/p/5BOHpBFkkS/

    • Supper Powers

      She’s like a dog that keeps circling the yard.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Oh that’s why she looks so tired.

    • EmmaDaoust

      One of my very very favouritest songs. I do that one on my mouth trumpet.

  • Christine

    Better watch out, their turning into Zombies, They have not taken a bite out of anyone yet, But that my come soon. With there wide soulless eye’s It’s like looking at someone drunk and instead of really looking at you, it’sl like the look through you not at you

    • Supper Powers

      You should have that looked at.

    • flyonthewall

      they’re more like Dracula’s brides

    • EmmaDaoust
      • Supper Powers

        You know what comes after that post…

        • EmmaDaoust

          Oh is it the special bedtime fairy tale, Uncle Supper?

          • Supper Powers

            ..

            • EmmaDaoust

              Fall for it every time.

            • Supper Powers

              Sorry.

            • EmmaDaoust

              I thought maybe you were gonna tell that special fairy story for the guest, you know the one.

            • Supper Powers

              Whatchu talkin bout Willis?

            • Supper Powers

              Ah, with the number 3 in it? No, I usually just try to get them to go out on a date with me.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Also effective.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Thanks for confusing me. I had to reload the webpage from the home page twice because I thought I’d clicked on yesterday’s article!

  • Washington DC.

  • EmmaDaoust

    Just got home, what’d I miss.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Mr. B is out of town

    And I can’t find anyone to have an affair with

    So I just mosey on down

    To the Metropolitan Museum of Art

    To look at all the satyrs with hard-ons

    They’re over there next to the medieval armor

    Their bronze muscles flexing under their goat fur loincloths

    Vibrating that little bitty Richter-scale looking thingy box

    That sits in the corner of the controlled environment

    Behind the

    Cold

    Hard

    Glassssss

    I sit on an imitation neo-classical chair and wait and wait and wait

    I look into a gilded full length mirror and see my greasy stringy hair and I think

    Ooh–Hef won’t like me like this

    Then I check out that chick Leda

    With the swan pecking at her pink egg tempera nipples

    And I say

    Hey! What that swan be doin’ huh? (uh huh uh huh) And why? Why?

    And how ’bout those plump maidens?

    Those hot cherubic babes being presented to Apollo, Dionysus, Neptune or one of those other well hung Gods huh?

    What about them stripped bare-assed naked like the day they was born

    With their hands bound by garlands and wet dewy budding blossoms ripe and tender to touch

    Just like the lesbians in that 16th century tapestry

    The one over the harpsichord looking just like California blondes

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Just then three suffragettes descend from the sky

    On an old fashoned wooden deus ex machina, singin’–

    I ain’t wearin’ any underwear

    Ooh, plumes of molten rock rising from Venus’ mantle solidify on the crust as plateaus

    That guard looks cute he has a look of studied melancholy and
    distraction that reminds me of my old Greek boyfriend, the Al Pacino
    look-a-like I called my subtle gigolo who broke my heart in a hundred
    places and caused my nervous breakdown that resulted in the most
    unsuccessful suicide attempt involving 42 Phenobarbital where I slept
    for two days and woke up and luckily lived long enough to reach my
    sexual peak

    I wonder what ever happened to him?

    • EmmaDaoust

      You talkin to me?

    • SP Wogsy

      Autobiography ??

    • romanesco

      That is a strange piece. Wherever did you find it?

  • Supper Powers

    For those who are disconnected.

    http://youtu.be/a7ysopXvd1E

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Sunday, 12 July 2015

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,
    I am early, I got to go.

    The week’s scores and RedX links: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2545467
    Thursday was a Whooa πŸ™‚ day, Friday was a πŸ™ day. Saturday: is a OK day: Tampa leads Sacramento, Toronto
    bags a fresh one.

    Help keep innocent children away from co$ and whack a few ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Imagination by Archann enhanced by Sookiesookie for RedX, and flickred by Aeger
    Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16748176442/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Pierrot

      Removals trend for July

      • romanesco

        Speaking of Craigslist ads, anybody need a mini goat?
        https://eugene.craigslist.org/zip/5117067735.html

        • anoni81b4u

          I watch Trailer Park Boys.. and I know they are called “Willie goats”

          • MostEthicalPimp

            I got a bunch of shopping carts. I, um, found abandoned at the bottom of that hill near the store. You know anyone with a semi tractor trailer?

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Can I post a picture of a cute girl with kitties she’s trying to find homes for??

    • MostEthicalPimp

      If anyone want to know what it’s like to get sec-check you can buy one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxXt6OxrCLE&feature=youtu.be

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Since I got one Up vote I’m going to post the photos!
      If you want adopt them It’s Elle Alexandra on twitter or instagram. NSFW!

      • MostEthicalPimp

        Quick note the nice lady photo’d Says the following!
        Someone adopt these babies so that satchmo[Her other cat] doesn’t murder me in my sleep

      • anoni81b4u

        Why are the cute ones always crazy about cats? Oh Xenu, you foiled my plans again you evil galactic overlord

        • MostEthicalPimp

          luckily i’m cat crazy. I’d probably adopt one if I didn’t have too many at home already!

          • anoni81b4u

            Are you single or do you have a girlfriend/wife ?

            • MostEthicalPimp

              single

            • anoni81b4u

              ok, well doesn’t seem like the cats are helping much .. lol
              I will just stay single with no cats πŸ™‚ for a moment I thought you were gonna tell me the cat/ woman secret to everlasting happiness …. darn it

            • MostEthicalPimp

              What I can pet pussy any day of the week!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I’ll take the top one, please! Does Elle ship to Europe?

  • Sydjazz

    every time i come on here now i get a weird warning. been happening for a few days. anyone know what this means?

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Try this
      Safari – Preferences – Privacy – Cookies and Other Website Data (here I found 80 websites that were storing data that was not deleted by resetting Safari) I clicked on details and selected “Remove all” This is what did the trick for me.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        I copied that from an other web site so I never actually did it!