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Jon Atack: When the militant Scientologist falters, you find a cowering 12-year-old inside

Jon_AtackJon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and for more than a year on Saturdays he helped us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet. He was kind enough to send us a new post.

Jon, we want to thank for another lengthy and thoughtful piece which once again gets at the most fundamental effects of Scientology on its members. This one really blew us away, and considering the things you’ve already written for us, that’s saying a lot, we think. Lay it on us.

JON: I have been away from the Bunker for a while. In part, this is because I’ve said most of what I came back to say. My concern is solely for the recovery of those afflicted by Scientology, so I am ready to leave the fray, once more. I hope to contribute the occasional squib to the Bunker, because, for the most part, the response to my blogs has been encouraging. Indeed, I was very pleasantly surprised to find that an eminent psychologist approved of my piece about paralleling. Fame at last!

I’ve been busy trying to set up the five day seminar in Toronto and the attempt to bring together 30 experts – some by video or Skype, but many in real life – to deconstruct Scientology. At the same time, I’ve been helping to create a non-profit that will address the broader issues of fanaticism and exploitative persuasion in our society.

Part of this last, highly rewarding, task has been the authorship of a primer on the subject of secret influence. I finished the first draft a few days ago. We hope to publish very soon. However, today, I’ve realized that I have not emphasised one of the most important aspects of cult involvement in my Bunker blogs.

So, here goes. Anyone who talks with committed cult members notices the occasional identity shift. One minute, there is the state called ‘enthusiasm’ by Scientologists, with the glittering, locked on eye-contact, and the next, the eyes move freely again and lose that glitter. A Sea Org member’s skin can turn from grey to pink, in a moment. Gestures become less forced. The eyes smile, along with the lips, in a natural or duchenne smile. Physiological changes are unmistakably evident.

It is possible to bring about these changes, simply by reminding the person of life before the cult. Family photographs, memories of school days, the first kiss. Anything which sends the mind back before the cult identity was formed.

The cult identity? Say what? We form a personality from the strands of identity. We have many identities, none of them distinct or separate personalities (multiple personality disorder is a very different matter). We behave differently in different circumstances. We speak and act differently if talking to our mothers, our siblings, our children, the boss, our employees, to friends, to strangers and so on. We use different words and gestures. We may speak more or less politely. We may use uncouth language with friends or co-workers that we would not use with our grandmothers.

This is also affected by mood. If annoyed or satisfied, angry or sad, our communication will also change, but we still have a different way of expressing that mood to different people. These identities shift in the kaleidoscope of everyday life to form the continuum of personality.

A cult group imposes a single identity onto the personality. Rules are established for behaviour and mood. This identity will follow a strict set of behaviours towards superiors and inferiors within the cult, and, quite usually, restrict all behaviour towards non-members into a narrow range.

In Scientology, the permitted mood is “enthusiasm” – even though Hubbard said in Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health that the ideal human being, or “Clear,” will have the right response to any given situation (be afraid if attacked by a bear, is, I think, one of his examples). Scientologists are meant to be enthusiastic. So they pretend, save when euphoric post-auditing.

This synthetic, parasitic, induced identity will keep all other identities in check. It is pinned in place by thought-stopping clichés, such as “make it go right” (Scientology has literally hundreds to choose from). It points towards one of the most scary aspects of fanaticism, which is called “doubling.”

Long ago, when I used to talk to committed members, I sometimes found myself talking to two quite distinct people. One would be hard “on purpose” and determined to wreck my life in any way possible, but then a baffled twelve-year old would emerge, and tell me that he could not survive in the hostile world outside Scientology. Hard to explain that life in the real world is so much easier than life in the Sea Org. But institutionalization is one of the many problems that a former Sea Org member will have to cope with.

Aware of the evils daily committed by the Guardian’s Office of Special Affairs and its agents, I have often wondered how intelligent and well-meaning people could so cheerfully commit immoral acts. Tony Ortega’s fine book about Paulette Cooper’s remarkably brave stand against Scientology shows that some of her persecutors still justify their outrageous actions, because they continue to hate her, because it is impossible for them to admit that they were wrong, and that Paulette was exposing a criminal and profoundly unethical organization.

Agents of the Guardian’s Office of Special Affairs have occasionally explained their unethical behaviour to me. “If we don’t use Fair Game, how will we stop the Suppressives?” one young woman told me. One twenty-year member explained that the perilously short time left to “save the planet” justified “fascist” behaviour. And, yes, he used the word “fascist.”

One answer is indeed found in those most extreme of fanatics, the Nazis. If I could elect just one individual for a Nobel Prize, it would definitely be Robert Jay Lifton. His compassionate analysis of Hiroshima, of the victims of the Chinese thought reform camps and of the Aum Shinrikyo cult are all classics of thinking. I have never managed to finish The Nazi Doctors, because the subject matter is simply too frightening, but I am familiar with its core concepts.

Under the T-4 programme, before Germany began the War, family doctors murdered 180,000 of their “disabled” patients. Doctors were also the profession with the highest membership of the Nazi party. So much for the caring profession and the Hippocratic Oath. But, as the philosopher Michael Jagger put it, “the gangster looks so frightening, with his luger in his hand, but when he gets home to his children, he’s a family man.”

There is a remarkable little book called Are We All Nazis. The author, Hans Ashkenazy, was in a concentration camp as a child. He became a fighter pilot in the US, and then a psychologist working with disturbed and often violent adolescents. He examined the lives of the leading Nazis, and, to his surprise, found that none of them were sadists. They were committed to a cause. They believed that the German people had fallen into hard times because of “inferior” populations – the Jews and Romanies. It was their task to eliminate the toxic effect of these “parasites.”

The Jews, Romanies, Blacks and Communists had to be exterminated as “vermin” (and, yes, I have noticed that Hubbard called rivals “squirrels” and critics “dogs”). The Slavic peoples, from whom the word “slave” comes, were to be put back in their place. And the world would be saved. The planet would be “cleared.”

Heinrich Himmler was the head of the SS, the military arm of the Nazi Party, which controlled the human extermination program. Here is his own justification for the mass killings: “I am not a bloodthirsty man and not someone who takes pleasure in difficult duties. But … I have such strong nerves and such a great sense of duty I might say that when I recognise something … essential, I execute it without compromise. Most of you will know what it means when a hundred corpses lie side by side. Whether there be 500 or 1,000. And to endure that and, apart from a few exceptions, to remain decent has made us tough but it is never mentioned and it will never appear in the glorious annals of history. We can have but one desire as to what is said about us these German officers, these German soldiers, these German generals, they were decent.” The “glorious annals of history” take a very different opinion of Himmler’s decency.

To work their horrors, the Nazis had to separate themselves emotionally from their actions. The Nazi doctors, and the concentration camp guards, were able to put aside their humanity, their compassion and their fellow feeling, because they were wedded to a higher purpose: The salvation of the Aryan race. They shifted into the Nazi identity by “doubling.” At Nuremburg, one after another claimed that they were simply following orders – befehl ist befehl.

Fortunately, most Scientologists don’t travel the path to that hideous extreme – the final stage of Lifton’s thought reform model, “dispensing of existence.” They wish me dead, but are as yet unwilling to perform the deed. However, this doubling of identity can remain a problem for many years after leaving the cult.

When I returned to the Scientology fray, in 2013, with great trepidation, it was because I was concerned that so many former members were simply trapped in the conditioning. I wanted to provoke critical thinking, and my articles at the Bunker have largely pointed in that direction.

I have no agenda to destroy Scientology, let alone to harm believers – quite the opposite. Though I’ve had to put up with some pretty savage attacks from those believers. If I could help David Miscavige, I would. I would also restrain him from committing further evil, if I could.

If someone can think through the beliefs of Scientology and make sense of them, all well and good. But I would aver that Scientology is full of inconsistencies, contradictions, simple truisms and downright deceptions. It does not achieve any of Hubbard’s promised objectives, whether the exalted ideal being, the Clear, the supernatural wonderment of OT VIII (“at cause over physical matter, energy, space and time” according to Hubbard), or the simpler guarantees of the “release grades.” They certainly cannot communicate freely with me on any subject, as any communication release is promised.

Scientology makes people feel euphoric, with “very good indicators,” but that is about it. It makes people feel superior – part of a world-saving elite – but would actually make a harsh, uncaring world, if given the chance.

When I returned to the fray, in 2013, I was presented with a new set of problems. My dealings in the 80s and 90s were almost exclusively with first generation members. During my last five years, up to my enforced retirement in 1996, everyone who was willing to speak with me left not only the mother cult, but also any devotion to Hubbard or belief in the “technology.” This never took more than a day to achieve, because once you have understood just how shaky the foundation is, you will pull it down.

Separating the “cult identity” is relatively easy, if you know how. But, in the last couple of years, I’ve come to know several second generation members, and they have no pre-cult identity. They have been brought up in an environment of “no sympathy,” which can induce a sort of Asperger’s syndrome, where they simply do not know how to react emotionally. Compassion is not a feature of Scientology. It is a learned skill, or at least a behaviour that needs to be nurtured. David Miscavige and many others lacked this advantage. They simply don’t know how to care.

So, how should a second generation member go about recovering? First of all, it is necessary to separate from Scientology. All too many people believe that they can simply walk away. One former Executive Director International when I asked him what he thought of Scientology said, “It’s shit.” He was still earning his living selling the “management technology.” Denial is always the first hurdle to overcome with any problem.

It is hard to admit that we were wrong. That we were scammed. That Scientology from the very beginning was designed to make Hubbard rich and powerful, and that it has done precisely nothing to bring about a “civilization without criminality, insanity or war.” I’ve dealt with too many people who committed crimes, went insane and would happily wage war as a consequence of their involvement to believe that. I was gullible. I was scammed. I gave my positive energy to an ultimately negative movement that has damaged hundreds of thousands of people.

Once the denial is over, and we become willing to look at the chaos induced in our thinking and our behaviour, we have some chance of unpicking the conditioning. I have argued ceaselessly that this is done by looking at the principles we were sold, and examining them in depth.

Start a study group with believers and disbelievers and analyse Problems of Work or Fundamentals of Thought. Let everyone in the group put forward their successes and failures trying to apply these ideas, and understand just how flimsy they are.

If you come away still believing you can solve problems by assigning one vote each to yourself, your family, your softball club, mankind, all matter, all spirits, all life and God, good luck to you, but I must say that it seems stupid to me to believe in God and then vote Him out, let alone to think that your personal advantage should equal that of all seven billion other people (let alone the members of 20 million or so other species).

If you think that raising communication always raises affinity, and can make an argument that yelling, beating, and shooting someone will lead to love, again, good luck to you. But if you cannot justify any of these fundamental principles, it is time to let go and accept the embarrassment.

When a first generation member lets go, they will tend to regress to age twelve, because that is the age that any cult (including consumerism) likes to keep its members. A twelve-year-old still believes that the parent is a hero and is still compliant to direction. Many former members lapse into adolescent dissent when they leave the cult. So the message boards are full of furious, inconsiderate former members (unlike the Bunker, I hasten to add, where maturity reigns), determined to rebel against anyone who disagrees with their new fixed opinions.

Etienne de la Boétie said, “all would agree that, if we led our lives according to the ways intended by nature … we should be intuitively obedient to our parents; later we should adopt reason as our guide and become slaves to nobody.” All too often, we become slaves to leaders, and do not adopt reason as our guide, but this is the necessity if we are to mature into full adulthood (personally, I shifted easily from my first to my second childhood).

First generation members leave and grow beards (mainly the men, that is) or smoke pot. They listen to the music of their adolescence and eat biscuits in bed. They have a brief honeymoon period where they regain adolescence and then grow up (well, some of them, at least). But second generation members have to discover adolescence, rather than return to it. If they were dumped into the Cadet Org, they may not have had a care-giver of any sort during childhood. They will have difficulty forming relationships, because they have not learned how. This leads to the province of attachment theory. As Scientologists have been phobically protected from any scientific development in the human sciences, it makes it especially difficult for them to consider well-established notions in psychology, and this is a very important one.

There are attachment therapists out there, but first of all it is a good idea to find out a little about how we attach. John Bowlby was the pioneer in this field, and his essays are still useful. The important message, however, is that attachment can be learned. That second generation members can learn to love and learn to enjoy society. And those of us who experienced Scientology are best-placed to help them.

Let me recommend just one book to all ex-members. Take Back Your Life is the best guidebook for recovery from cults that I have read. It was written by Janja Lalich and Madeleine Tobias, and everyone who has been involved in a cult should read it. In fact, everyone should read it, because we live in a society of overlapping cults, where all around want to undermine our critical thinking by appealing to our emotions and selling us their products or their beliefs.

At the seminar, in Toronto, from 22-26 June, I will deconstruct the cult and its beliefs and practices thoroughly and completely, with the help of some remarkable experts. There will be some previously unseen material, including some Hubbard letters that shine a light on his true intentions. Nothing of this type has ever been attempted before with any cult. It will be an adventure for all involved, and will showcase some of the most remarkable people I have the great good fortune to know.

After the seminar in Toronto, I am withdrawing from the Scientology scene (unless the cult is stupid enough to attack me and keep me talking). I will continue to refer to the cult in my work, and do my best to help those most harmed by the cult, but most of my time will be taken up explaining the wider issues of exploitative persuasion for the new Open Minds Foundation. I hope that the support I’ve received at the Bunker will continue, as I move into this broader endeavour. I also hope that those who have survived Scientology will be a significant force in the movement to expose undue influence. We should use the experience that cost us so much to help others.

 
From June 22 through 26th, Tyndale University professor James Beverley and Jon Atack are hosting a course and conference on Scientology. The rather stunning list of people speaking at the conference was announced here earlier. Paulette Cooper and your proprietor will be presenting on Tuesday, June 23. Please come see us if you can. For more information visit the conference website.

 
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Judge Whittemore rejects motion to reconsider in Garcia fraud lawsuit

We knew that when the Garcias submitted a motion to reconsider in their (ostensibly) defeated lawsuit, it was going to be a long shot. However, the grounds that they were basing it on — that they had never, as Judge Whittemore said, agreed that Scientology was a bona fide religion, was at least a very interesting document, and it was fun to see Scientology get up in a high dudgeon about it.

And now Judge Whittemore has denied the motion, saying that actually, from the beginning the Garcias were saying that their lawsuit was not about religion but about fraud, and that in saying so, they had admitted that Luis considered what he did in Scientology the stuff of religion.

Well, it was a good try, but we knew that Whittemore probably wasn’t going to reverse himself.

So what’s next? We think there’s a chance the Garcias will appeal this denial to a higher court. We also still think it’s a long shot that they will eventually submit to Scientology’s internal arbitration, which is how their suit was derailed when Whittemore granted Scientology’s motion to compel them to do so.

Either way, we’ll keep an eye on it.

 
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Chicago Scientologists are MIA

Thanks to our tipster for forwarding this gem from OSA…

From: Church of Scientology Chicago<'Chicago@Scientology.net'>
Date: May 15, 2015, 5:58:17 PM
To: <'Chicago@Scientology.net'>
Subject: MESSAGE FROM OFFICE OF SPECIAL AFFAIRS INTERNATIONAL

Hello to all Chicago Scientologists,

I know that several messages have gone out to you re the importance of your attending the Saturday, May 16th, 10am PsychBust of the American Psychiatric Association in Toronto.

I am having Rebecca send you this message directly from me. Although I do realize that some of you have been very helpful in attending previous APA demonstrations in NYC, Philadelphia and Washington, DC, the response for Toronto, where I am currently on-the-ground, has been disappointing to this point.

CCHR and I need you here — and you yourself need to be here — as psychiatry has intentionally hidden themselves in Canada to limit protests so they can more easily generate their agendas for the upcoming year. And yes, they are terrible beyond imagination. It is also being very craftily done on a Canadian holiday weekend as they feel this will stop people from doing the right thing by protesting.

Several leading psychiatrists from the US are headlining the APA conference in Toronto as speakers. If they can make it to destroy the planet, you can attend to help save it! Remember, these are the guys who, 24/7, are creating a world of illegal pcs — and they know it. So, it’s a Ground Zero here and you are needed to reverse the disaster that is psychiatry.

Are you in? I hope so. Please contact Rebecca at 773-348-7788 to confirm and be here promptly for tomorrow’s march to the APA convention at 10am (EDT) — 27 Front Street East, across the street from the St. Lawrence Center for the Arts in Toronto.

ARC,

Tom Paquette
Social Reform Bureau
Office of Special Affairs International

 
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BOOK NOTES

 
3D-Unbreakable

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, so we’re posting them at the Underground Bunker. We’ve created a dedicated page for them, and we hope you go through them all, then come back here and tell us your thoughts!

Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly. Isn’t technology cool.

 
Your proprietor yesterday on Irish radio. Yes, that is a nasty cold that has your proprietor in its grips. Hoping it’s better today in Santa Barbara…

 

 
And then in the afternoon, during prime drive time, we had a great experience with Jillian Barberie and John Phillips at KABC 790.

 

 
Our appearances…

TODAY….
May 16: Santa Barbara Humanist Society (with Paulette Cooper) $2 for members, $5 for non-members. Here’s the schedule we’ve been given for this event…

2:30 people start arriving to socialize on the patio.
3:00 Meeting begins. President says a few words, makes announcements and then the speakers are introduced.
4:15 Move to patio while the room is set up for dinner. Wine bar. Time for book sales.
5:00 Buffet dinner.

Hey, these folks go all out. We hope some of our readers can make it. We’ll have copies of the book to sell for a discounted price, and we’ll be signing them at the event.

 
May 17: Center for Inquiry-West, Los Angeles, 4773 Hollywood Blvd, Hollywood, 11 am (with Paulette Cooper)
May 17: CFI Orange County (Costa Mesa), 4:30 pm (with Paulette Cooper) Check out this story about us from OC Weekly about this event.

May 20, San Diego: Kennedy Community Center, El Cajon, 7 pm, sponsored by the San Diego Association for Rational Inquiry (with Paulette Cooper) Hey, San Diego readers, help us get the word out on this late addition to our tour!

May 22: San Francisco (with Jamie DeWolf and Paulette Cooper) THIS EVENT IS SOLD OUT. Aye, Chihuahua.

June 11: New York City (with Paulette Cooper) We’re keeping the venue on the down-low at this point. If you’re interested in coming to this unique event — Paulette in New York talking about Scientology where her story began — drop us a line so we get an idea how many are coming.

June 20: Chicago, The Annoyance Theater, 5pm (with Christian Stolte) This event is free, but reserve your tickets now!

June 22 and 23: Toronto (with Paulette Cooper)

June 27/28: Florida (with Paulette Cooper)

July 12: Washington DC, Center for Inquiry

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on May 16, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Elegant Mess

    For those going to the tour stop at the Center for Inquiry in LA tomorrow morning, the box office will be open for ticket sales at 10:15 am. They recommend arriving early, as there is limited parking in the lot and they are expecting a large crowd.

    Tony, will you have any books for sale at the event?

    • lmnop

      I was afraid of this, I just booked a job before this event and it’s over 20 miles away in LA traffic (hopefully because it’s Sunday the traffic will be non-existent….) I hope I can get in.

      • Elegant Mess

        If you are coming from the South, there will be another signing event in Costa Mesa at 4:30 pm. I’m not sure if that is helpful at all. But, on the plus side, it is a Sunday, so fingers crossed for little to no traffic!

  • Mark

    Oh dear… (refresh with a risus sardonicus):

  • Thank you so much for everything you’ve done Jon, you truly are a hero to so many people. I’m very excited to explore what you’ll be doing at the Open Minds Foundation.

  • Robert Hammond

    Shoutout to Pan. David Misgavige reacts (with his reactive mind) to The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R-4_u61TWo

  • Simi Valley

    The AMERICAN Psychiatric Association in CANADA … tsk tsk. Don’t they know they have no right to be there?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I just looked it up, and you’re right, Canada is not part of America. You learn something every day.

      • Mymy88

        South Park depiction of Canadians lol.

    • Simi Valley

      Actually, nowadays they do need a passport to get into Canada. I wonder if Mr. Bigshot OSAbot knows this?

  • Simi Valley

    So I go to news.google.com for news on the cult. I see some hits and this notice at the bottom of the page of hits:

    “In response to a complaint we received under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint that caused the removal(s) atChillingEffects.org.”
    Link to the aforementioned complaint: https://www.chillingeffects.org/notices/368

    • Simi Valley

      The complaint was submitted by … drumroll … Moxon & Kobrin. Why am I not surprised? Rick Moxon is a lifer in the cult. He and his wife Carla are mentioned in TUML when referencing the 1970’s.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        They saved the planet from an alien spaceship once. True story.

        • Mymy88

          I know. I saw with my own eyes, Mrs. Moxon delivering a talk about that on YouTube. Her manner is so elegant and respectful. I hope one day to be as great a speaker as she.

          (100% sarcasm above)

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Hey, they gotta make a living somehow! Think of all the upkeep on the mansions and yachts alone! It’s tough being a scientology puppet these days.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    It strikes me that the Bunker has some of the most literate pets of any group of people.
    The collage which follows does have one exception to that observation however.

    The lemur, when asked to comment, said that her pet was not photogenic,
    not particularly literate and in a vile mood following her checkup with the vet.

    Distemper, apparently, again and a severe case of body thetan dysplasia.
    Our thoughts are with the lemur in this diffi-cult time.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      After my lunging lesson with daughter’s horse’s work-out.

      *napped*

      • Mymy88

        That’s sweet faced horse. I love horses. I see them as magnificent creatures of stunning beauty and strength.

        • I initially read “magnified creatures” but your word is better 🙂

          • Mymy88

            You probably thought, magnified creatures? WTH? lolol

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        So love this!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Ohhh, look 🙂

    • Mymy88

      Is it the one where Kirstie is trying to get the Lemur to smell her finger?

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      Yay for this one Pan!!!

  • LHS

    The CCHR acts so tough, but a nobody like me asks them a few questions on Facebook and they delete the questions and block me from commenting. What happened to all those superior Scientology communication skills? How do you save the world when you’re scared of a few little questions?

  • nottrue
    • Jimmy Threetimes

      It was Lovely, huh?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        But did it break? Sounds like the guy might have broken his jaw from all that clenching.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      So, no effect whatsoever, just like the promo says. I hope Matt goes back and asks the guy if he actually saw Going Clear. That would be fun.

  • Well Well… What do you know! The Flappy Scientologist is in Nepal 🙂

    http://www.globalpost.com/article/6550051/2015/05/15/scientologists-are-nepal-trying-heal-trauma-victims

  • I come to this discussion a bit late, so here are some thoughts (in no particular order)

    1) Janja Lalich co-authored the book “Take Back your Life”, which Jon mentions. She also wrote “Bounded Choice”. This book does not discuss Scientology, but it deals with “Heavens Gate” and a manipulative political group of which the author was a member for many years (so she knows whereof she speaks). It presents a fascinating theory explaining why members lose their perspective and accept the ‘authority’ of high-control groups.

    2) Another view of the ‘Cult Identity’ is offered by a Sociologist called Erving Goffman. His ‘dramaturgical perspective’ viewed social life as being like a play – we assume different roles with different expectations in different situations (e.g. the same person might be a policeman, a father and a performer in an amateur choir). From this perspective the ‘cult identity’ would be seen as the social role of ‘Scientologist’ &/or ‘Sea Org member’.

    The expectations that come with membership of Scientology are very demanding (especially for the Sea Org). Goffman wrote about social situations where a persons life is closely controlled by others in a book called “Asylums”. Examples included monasteries, military barracks, prisons – and the asylums of the title. If the Sea Org had existed during Goffman’s career, he would undoubedly have been fascinated by it.

    It’s hardly surprising that ‘the cult identity’ sometimes slips, as members long for roles which allow for authentic, supportive, human relationships. I have thought for some time that people do not ‘believe in’ Scientology so much as struggle to sustain a suspension of belief, and that the best way of causing a Scientologist to doubt their commitment is to remove them from the manipulative social situation which sustains it. It’s interesting to hear Jon confirm this theory from a different perspective.

    The problem of second-generation Scientologists – especially those who were abandoned to the tender mercies of the Sea Org at an early and age, and consequently have limited by experience of authentic relationships is, as Jon describes, much more problematic. It deserves the attention that his new enterprise may be able to provide.

    3) I think that the pressure to conform comes from a number of directions – in social psychology, the work of Ashe, Milgram and Zimbado et. al demonstrates that once you have socially isolated people in a high-control environment the situation is made worse by behaviours which naturally emerge. I believe that these are often neglected in favour of a theory which assumes that ‘gurus’ are knowingly applying a knowledge of psychology to the business of controlling members. In many cases, I think this assumption is unjustified, and Hubbard is an excellent example of this. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-series/

    4) All the best in your new endeavour, mate. Taking a wider view can only deepen your understanding of the Scientology mindset, so it’s a win-win.

    5) I am a ‘never in’ and I eat biscuits in bed – is this a bad thing? 🙂

    • PickAnotherID

      Only if the crumbs bring ants.

      • My aunt Mabel visited me once – does that count?

        • ze moo

          Killer Aunts, the scourge of all mankind. And picnics and family reunions…..

          • Worst of all is the horror that was never quite depicted in a 1950s sci-fi ‘B’ movie…. Giant Aunts

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The $cientology Wall of Fire – is it spontaneous clam-bustion ?

    DM, when hiring a PI: “I have to see a man about a wog.”

    $cientology is surely a terrorist organization.
    I mean, look – bomb threats ? Check
    Footbullets ? An astonishing fusillade con-tinues to emanate
    And bombs ?
    Then those musical and cinematic stink-bombs surely count.
    Power of Source and Battlefield Earth
    may be more dangerous than anything
    in the arsenals of the nuclear powers.

    $cientology: King Clam’s flim-flam

    Sea Org members are totally committed.
    Their captain should be committed.

    Why the obsession with celebrities?
    There’s gold in them there shills.

    Happy birthday, Fly. (Jazzlover may approve 🙂
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3S_PtMWD2Y

  • nottrue

    Howard is still alittle mixed up but he is getting closer…https://youtu.be/-arFVh9SYRI

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      He’s so damn close.

    • Mymy88

      Thank you for posting this.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Speaking of Howard, there are Stern fans trolling the Wells Fargo PGA golf tournament as we speak. On the backswing of a tee shot, some guy in the crowd yelled “I’M A TURTLE!!!” And the commentator actually mentioned it, saying “I’m a turtle? Well I don’t know what that means…”

      And I know it is a Stern fan, because the same guy yelled “BABA BOOEY!!!” on the next tee shot.

    • Robert Hammond

      Yep. He’s got that Theta 7 part pretty well figured out.

  • Basketballjane

    Waiting. Just catching up on some reading.

  • TonyOrtega

    Paulette and I are enjoying lunch on State Street, and I am regaling her with my local knowledge. I explained to her, for example, that “Santa Barbara” is Oaxacan for “whale’s esophagus.”

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Way to go, Ron Burgundy. Next explain how the Germans discovered San Diego in 1904. That will impress her.

    • Juicer77

      You guys are sharing a pitcher, aren’t you? 😉

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Quick, the Proprietor is peeking in. Hide the you-know-what:) He’ll never notice.

    • Robert Hammond

      Cheers! Have some chicken tortilla soup for your cold while you’re at it. Make sure they hold the “whale’s esophagus.” Better yet, ask the waiter to bring you some alligator soup .. and make it snappy!

    • Always Amazed

      La super rica is where it’s at. Great food.

  • BosonStark

    I just happen to have the agenda for the big psych conference in Toronto:

    10:00 – How to get more CanAm kids on Ritalin.
    11:00 – How to get the rest of the world’s kids on Ritalin.
    12:00 – Ritalin for everyone!

    1:00 – Lunch

    2:00 – Looking forward to our next Holocaust.
    3:00 – From here to total world domination.
    4:00 – Our evil makes the world go ‘round.
    5:00 – New mental diseases each month are just plain good for business.
    6:00 – Big pharma, big profits and nice vacations.

    Note: Next year’s conference will be held in Iceland, just to get away from the damn Scientologists.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Did they scrap the entire hour on Restless Leg Syndrome? I was looking forward to that.

      • BosonStark

        Well, during lunch a speaker will give a talk on Restless Stomach Syndrome, which is a new psychiatric condition presenting as waking up hungry during the night, and also being hungry while eating, although the latter condition will soon have its own category. There will be new drugs to treat these conditions.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks for the belly laugh! I can’t wait till OSA reports this to Dave. In detail. hah

    • Robert Hammond

      Whatever happened to the “Kidnap children and give them forced lobotomies and electroshock therapy” workshops?

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        They became Starbucks. Same business model, though.

      • Draco

        I am beginning to think the BP checks were just a nasty rumour…

    • jazzlover

      You forgot:

      12:30 Ritalin — Is it enough, or can we do better?

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X ***
    Removals for yesterday are WAY UP with at long last the wipe out of Boston, with Sacramento & Denver creeping in.

    CL might check your IP to see if you are a “LOCAL”, it would help for “local” RedXers to complain.
    See how to do it : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2533760

    RedX tips : Updated to include: how to complete the CL complaint form & copy/paste post ids : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2533632
    Flag co$ lies : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    F5… Longing the Dark Tower by Andy Factor enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15888955519/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Pierrot

      Today we celebrate the removal of 77 ads out of 94 from Boston following the removal of 98 ads last week. Complaints do work, we got to do it right and we got to keep on the pressure.!

      Do not leave it to the next person to do it, it is as easy as 1) have an email address, 2) call up the complaint form, 3) complete & send.
      See here for Los Angeles, New York & Tampa spams: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2534855
      Scroll up to see how to complain.
      F5… RED X Cheerleaders by Hamtaro flickred by AegerPrimo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14123190340/in/album-72157642802079293/

      • PickAnotherID

        And CL still hasn’t banned them for TOS violations?? Weird.

    • Pierrot

      Obviously JJ & Gregory have not learned their lesson yet, lets keep the pressure on.
      http://boston.craigslist.org/contact

      Scientology in Boston continues with their blatant over posting and spams,
      they are abusing Craigslist Free advertising and flouting CL TOU.

      2 X New Slant on Life Paperback
      13 X Overcoming Financial Stress
      2 X What is the Secret to Success
      8 X Learn human communication secrets
      6 X Free Film Showing
      2 X For 2,500 years man has sought the state of “Clear”

      Post ids
      5016196564, 5016956723, 5016572880, 5025610633, 5018847593, 5016587156, 5028214655, 5028222722, 5028178047, 5028112735, 5016968851, 5016965788, 5016183356, 5015489592, 5028212462, 5028207382, 5028204532, 5028193455, 5028171308, 5028121502, 5028114747, 5025606475, 5025600404, 5025590880, 5028324661, 5028318327, 5028102718, 5027800948,
      5027798676, 5027795259, 5028313912, 5027799906, 5027796541, 5025612929, 5028306885 5028287629, 5028147603, 5023758444, 5028224527, 5023748429, 5019873531,

  • Robert Hammond

    As I re-read this blog and the message from Tom Paquette about trying to get Scientologists from Chicago to go up to Canada to protest, I notice that the language sounds very similar to Nazi propaganda about the Jews. Look at this sentence, for example, and substitute the word Jews for psychiatrists and you’ll see what I mean:

    “…as psychiatry has intentionally hidden themselves in Canada to limit
    protests so they can more easily generate their agendas for the upcoming
    year. And yes, they are terrible beyond imagination. It is also being
    very craftily done…”

    Again here:

    “If they can make it to destroy the planet, you can attend to help save
    it! Remember, these are the guys who, 24/7, are creating a world of
    illegal pcs — and they know it. So, it’s a Ground Zero here and you are
    needed to reverse the disaster that is psychiatry.”

    BTW, if they really have a problem with “illegal PCs” they should be talking to Bill Gates at Microsoft.

    • Draco

      ” And yes, they are terrible beyond imagination.”
      Seriously…so deluded. And full of generalities.

    • Simi Valley

      Rebecca’s got some ‘splaining to do.

    • ze moo

      After I run Windows Update, Bill Gates stops bothering me for a week or 2. How do you get the CCHR to stop bothering you?

      Mostly I pass out discount coupons for Paxil……

  • TonyOrtega

    The crusties here are really angry. Off their meds? Almost decked two of them and I haven’t walked more than a block.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Crusties?

      • TonyOrtega
        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Sounds like a fun welcoming committee. Butt flaps. Kids have all the fun.

          • Robert Hammond

            Youth is wasted on the young.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              So true, so true.

          • Techie

            Huh. In the San Francisco bay area in the 60s “crusty” was what happened to you when you stopped wearing underwear and didn’t change clothes for about three months. Actually you get pretty crusty in a couple of weeks, after that it sort of levels off. Among the dirty hippies around there, being crusty was a badge of honor, and you would hear someone say something like “That guitar case is really made out of fiberglass? Wow man, crrrrusty! Right Arm! Left Ventricle!”.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Hah, and I’m not even going to think about the SO crusties. I read Tony’s urban dictionary link – they sound nasty. Now I’m wondering where the hell he is dragging Paulette to.

          • Eivol Ekdal

            Hired crusties, perhaps?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oh my. Well, I do expect it to be a very interesting event. I just hope there’s lots of video cams running around those two at all times. But that’s just me.

            • Eivol Ekdal

              I hate to sound like a foil hat wearer but after reading Tony’s book I would not put it past them.

        • Draco

          Sounds delightful…

      • pics

    • lmnop

      be careful!

    • 0tessa

      Stay cool, real cool.

    • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

      Slang “crusties” means ?
      It is not in my Scientology dictionary. LOL

  • Are_sics

    Jillian Barberie is much better informed than most radio interviewers for this kind of format, that was nice. But she was too desperate to talk (not the first time we’ve heard this). I always thought a good interview question was one that was much shorter than the interviewee’s answer.

  • Fred G. Haseney

    It’s official! Tony Ortega has been added to the marquis at the Center For Inquiry Los Angeles (the announcement begins at four seconds into the video):

    https://youtu.be/YUFRXhPcuHc

    • Are_sics

      “Feed your brain” lecture on an ex-scientologist? That sounds uncomfortable.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I know, I was like Yeah! Tony Ortega on a scrolling marquee – and then, wait, what?

        • lmnop

          I wondered about that too

      • Fred G. Haseney

        From CFI’s website:

        “Please join us at 11 a.m. on the first and third Sundays of every month for our FEED YOUR BRAIN programs.

        “These events feature authors, scholars, and luminaries from many fields that expand our knowledge and understanding of the world and the people who inhabit it. CFI’s naturalistic approach to wisdom holds that there is no issue exempt from examination and discussion.”

        http://www.cfiwest.org/calendar/feedyourbrain.htm

        • Are_sics

          It’s the “on an ex-scientologist” part that made it uncomfortable, though.

          • Fred G. Haseney

            Maybe Tony’s got something (or somebody) up his sleeve…

    • lmnop

      I used to live in Hollywood and was a member of CFI at this location, used to go to their Toastmasters meetings. I wish I still lived close by, they have very interesting events there.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Years ago, as a chest-beating, full-fledged, bleating Scientologist, Imnop, I happened to walk past CFI at this very location. After a little bit of research, I determined that Scientology would not appreciate such a venue a stone’s throw from Scientology’s West Coast headquarters, the Pacific Area Command Base (aka “PAC Base” or “Big Blue”).

        Last August, I innocently Googled “Mary Sue Hubbard” in order to get the address of the house that her little doggie inherited, rent-free for the duration of his life (eleven years; MSH considered her dog more important than the welfare of her descendants). Yes, I got that address, but “The Underground Bunker” appeared at the top (or close to it) at Google’s search… and so I tumbled, head first into the bunker and have never looked back.

        Now, outside looking in (and documenting the demise of Scientology Incorporated with Field Operations posted courtesy https://jennyatlax.wordpress.com/), I’m actually going to CFI to see Tony Oretga and Paulette Cooper.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Have a wonderful time Fred!!!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Should be a surreal audacious day. Can’t wait for reports and pics.

        • L. C. Spencer

          That is a great, great story. So glad you’re at CFI today instead of PAC Base!

        • lmnop

          I hope to see you there Fred. I read all of your reports here and love seeing all the pictures, I used to be very familiar with the neighborhood, not so much anymore, so seeing your pics are good reminders.

          • Fred G. Haseney

            I’ve prepared a name tag for tomorrow’s CFI event.

        • Susan_Qbird_Poche

          WoW. Very cool Fred. What a ride.

  • Without a doubt one of the best JA pieces I have ever read. Thank you Jon Atack for caring. Oh and Tony? If you were a Clear you wouldn’t get colds, imagine that! 🙂

    • Eivol Ekdal

      I had to word clear “Pea Oar Machine”.
      😉 re: Tony on NewsTalk 106-108 FM

  • Meepthorp

    This is one of the best articles I’ve read. I’m an ex. There are other exes in my family. I have second and third generation Scientologists in my family, and I have current scientologists, staff members and Sea Org members in my family. Jon Atack has described so well what I have gone through and what these relationships are like. His knowledge and understanding just blew me away. I have Robert Jay Lifton’s book and I’m looking forward to the other books mentioned in the article.

  • Jon – I don’t know if you’ll read this (557 comments!) but thank you so much for your articles and everything you do. ‘Blue Sky’ is a fantastic book – I was brought up in Scn (out by age 12/13 or so) and it helped me to understand soooo much about my early life. Actually you and your then-wife (N) were family friends – I’m still in EG so want to remain anonymous for now! I remember when Scn posted leaflets throughout the town with a picture of you and they’d used a marker to make your hair look a bit like Hitler’s 😀 Well, maybe funny now, but it must have been very tough for you and your family. You were important then and you’re important now – thank you.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I can’t even imagine how even scientology could have made a picture of Jon look evil.

      • Oh, it failed completely … it was a poor photocopy (this was early 80s?) and the marker addition was so obvious.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Hah! It’s about on par with trying to make Tory Magoo look an evil SP. Can’t be done.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Socializing on the patio commencing, at Humanist Society’s location, Santa Barbara, which, Tony informed Paulette, means “whale’s esophagus” in Oaxacan (sp?), see downthread ((uh huh, yep)).

  • ReallyMGM

    My iPad and Miss Lovely took a trip today. The King had left the building but I think he would approve.

  • Jeb Burton

    We went to Emily’s cafe today in downtown Clearwater today for breakfast. My girl has no knowledge of Scientology other than Tom Cruise and Travolta. I told her we would see a bunch of scions and she asked me how could I tell? I explained about uniforms and how they walk quickly and don’t make eye contact. Shortly after sitting down, she exclaims'”There’s one!”. I laughed and said you will see plenty more. She then said “Oh, there are females ones too”. I started to tell her about Scientology and could see her eyes glaze over. How the hell do you tell somebody all about Scientology on a second date?

    • coonellie

      If you want a third date, you don’t tell her all about it 🙂

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I think the question is “How the hell do you get a third date after you’ve told them all about Scientology on the second date?”

      • Jeb Burton

        Im never getting laid.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          That makes two of us. But at least we know all about the Sea org!

      • Always Amazed

        Just wait till she finds out she is being talked about at a place called The Underground Bunker. Would that be date 4 or 5?

    • Pull up, pull up on the throttle before it’s too late! Now, for damage control make the next date fun and romantic. Stargazing or a picnic or something like that AND try not to mention Sciloons for at least a month.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Stargazing? For real? Might as well stick with the Scientology discussion.

        • I’ve heard girls like that. I prefer the planetarium or a museum but I’m weird.

          • ze moo

            I am the same with brew pubs.

        • :p

        • flyonthewall

          Jimmy smokes crack and I don’t care
          Jimmy smokes crack and I don’t care
          JIMMY SMOKES CRACK AND I DON’T CAAAAARRRRE
          He smokes it all day long

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I HAVENT ROCKED UP IN ALMOST 4 DAYS YOUR A LIER

            Happy birthday.
            http://youtu.be/StTqXEQ2l-Y

            • flyonthewall

              you remembered :)…

              Check out what I got!
              http://shop.lego.com/en-US/The-Kwik-E-Mart-71016

              Just droppin’ by real quick, had to share my parody song. I stayed up all night thinking of it and imagining how funny it would be. It was.

              Have a good one J3 and co!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              That is awesome. Everything about that is awesome. Everything is awesome.

              Thank you, come again.

            • Eivol Ekdal

              I was looking at vintage networked computers and this made me think of you…
              http://www.trvth.org/uploaded_images/plato-798052.jpg

            • flyonthewall

              ohh, that’s a keeper! saved

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Wow, it even comes with its own dumpster. Seen any trophies or certs in there?

            • flyonthewall

              prob does, has everything else

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              Happy Birthday Fly 🙂

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Happy Birthday Fly!!

            • thetastic

              That’s a killer price. Thanks for the link!

            • flyonthewall

              Finally another sci watching lego fan! I thought I was the only one. $200 is $200 but it’s a good price ( >.10/piece) considering all the minifigs and it’s just packed with all kinds of references to diff episodes/scenes in the Kwik-e-mart. Easily a must have. You seen my sci lego work?

            • Mymy88

              (refresh) Happy Birthday flyonthewall! I didn’t make this cake lol. I loved cute video.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Hey, have you booked a room yet for the new Lego Hotel that just opened in Florida? It looks awesome. They scalp you on the prices though.

            http://florida.legoland.com/en/LEGOLAND-Hotel/HotelFAQs/

            • flyonthewall

              Oh yes, I reserved a whole floor!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I might be working on some new Legoland Discovery Centers soon.

            • flyonthewall

              Yeah? What do you do on them? I’ve had good and bad experiences at those places. The one in KC was the worst. Very rude teenagers running the place, dirty, etc.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I don’t even know what they are or have there. I’ve only been to the theme park here in Florida. I thought the park was very well done.

            • thetastic

              Can I come too?

            • flyonthewall

              hell yeah, lets go right now!

            • Jeb Burton

              Are you saying I should take her to Legoland? How did trying to get some love advice turn into Legos? Only in the bunker.

            • aquaclara

              Downtown Dunedin, downtown St Pete, Pass-a-grill at sunset. Stop for a glass of wine.
              Guppy’s. And a walk across the street to the beach.

              Romance is not hard with gorgeous beaches and sunsets.
              Lunch or appetizers and a drink is cheaper than dinner.

              Sand Key, picnic (Publix makes great stuff), and a walk over to the Sheraton’s outside tiki bar for a fruity beverage or a beer.

          • Did you see your caek?

            • flyonthewall

              Did just now! Yur the bestest! XD

            • Happy Birthday , Fly!

            • thetastic

              That’s perfect. Happy birthday, fly!

          • aquaclara

            I heard it was your birthday! Wishing you many happy returns of the day. And a nice cream cake with a cherry on top.

            • flyonthewall

              yup, big 37. Thnx aqua!

          • Baby

            OH happy birthday Fly.. xox .. 37 ..awwww you are just a baby ; D

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Unless she’s an Ex, never!

    • Leigh Andrews

      Just point them out as local color for now, and let it be.

    • aquaclara

      You don’t. You wait til the several year anniversaries hit, and put certain books on your “oh, I would love” list. And you show the Lisa McPherson brick, promising a link to that story. Then go watch a gorgeous sunset at the beach, a sunset boat trip out in the intracoastal, or a great fresh grouper sandwich at Frenchy’s.

      In the meantime, we’re here, and of course many of our spouses are on the patio listening to a game, or whatever people do when they don’t sit in the Bunker.

      Good luck!

      • thetastic

        What is it that non-bunkerites do? And why?

    • Mymy88

      Boy, do I know all about that glaze.

  • coonellie

    OT as I’m also reading for the postings on Tony and Paulette’s appearance this afternoon, but I had to show you what stared me in the face this morning. Ick!

    • Observer

      “If you are likeable, stay away from us! We’ll turn you into an arrogant, know-it-all jerk in no time!”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Was thinking about the same. What a joke these ads are

        • Sherbet

          Hi, ladies. I miss you and you and you and you and Tony and everyone in the Bunker. These are exciting times.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            There you are! Miss you too. Assuming you’re back to healing – Cant wait to hear about tonights tour kickoff. This book is really, really something.

            • Sherbet

              I’m still waiting for second surgery (Thursday). I will never, ever, ever again assume CTS is some silly ache in the wrist. This is so bad, especially mousing and clicking. I feel like a big baby, but it keeps me awake at night and even Vicodin doesn’t stop the pain. You’re no stranger to pain, so you understand how it wears on you. This is the most I’ve typed in days.

              My “Miss Lovely” came today. Huzzah!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              OOh, Thursday for #2, well then don’t type anymore, lady. So sorry about the hurt – maybe call the doc and tell him the Vicodin ain’t cutting it – need to keep your BP down before surgery. Let me see what I can do about speeding up time for you. If I can only find my OT certs….hugs from me and Mr. Hole.

            • Sherbet

              Thanks for the kind thoughts and for trying to spin the world a bit faster.

              You folks have NO IDEA what it’s like to stay out of the Bunker, but I have to. Big hugs to everyone. And Go, Tony! Go, Paulette!

              Bye for now.

            • Get well soon Sherb!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              It is good to hear from you. If that Vicodin doesn’t work for you, there are people you can sell it to through secure channels.

            • Kay

              So sorry about your wrist….that is a pain.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Oh Sherb I am sorry. But I am so glad you got the book! Please read and don’t type and good luck with the second surgery.

          • Juicer77

            * waving at Sherb * Hi! Keep those hands comfy. Operation day coming soon!

            • Sherbet

              It can’t come soon enough for me. Waving back, with the good hand.

            • aquaclara

              Save your hands for scrolling! And page-turning! Of course we miss you, don’t be silly. We know you’re just saving up all the good stuff for when you are all better!

        • coonellie

          Except for the timing of the ad – it was from Thursday’s local paper that has a very wide circulation and it was three days before all of the proms. The girl in the picture is just about prom age and being likable (or liked, which it should say) is such a hot button issue with teenaged girls wanting to be liked enough to get asked to the prom. It makes me really upset.
          I’ve already contacted the paper for previous ads they’ve accepted, to no avail. They’ve even told me I’m not the only one complaining.
          What I’d like to know is why this doesn’t fall under the truth in advertising law.
          “The most accurate” …”reliable” personality test…
          “proven personality test”
          “benefited millions”
          “the only test of its kind”

          Now, I’ll tell you how I really feel ;). Sorry, but Baby C is just about the right age to get caught up in this crap, except she has a crazed mother (at least in terms of Sci-fighting).

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I hear ‘ya. Truth in advertising I think has been relegated to the urban myths archives. I see what you mean about right before the proms. Scientology is sicko. Just gotta make sure they know how to google well and always always research!

          • Shanester

            You have a valid point about Scientology’s cynical marketing to the emotionally vulnerable. However, it’s worth remembering that there is literally no teenaged girl who doesn’t use the internet nowadays — unless she is already in a controlling cult. Scientology can advertise all it wants. Not only does Generation Z distrust advertising (based on surveys I’ve read about but am too lazy to go searching for) but Millenials and younger will find out about it from their online social communities. Scientology doesn’t have a chance.

            And: Yay, mom! Scientology especially doesn’t have a chance with an informed citizenry, so good job on your part in making that happen. I live in Portland, too. Was this ad in Willamette Week or the Mercury?

            • coonellie

              It was in The Portland Tribune (for the more staid/not very progressive types)*. The owner of the paper, Pamplin Media Group, has a number the regional/local newspapers and are doing very well financially, so it’s not like they need the advert dollars from these people. Of course, “one of their best-read” newspapers is The Lake Oswego Review, so that should tell me something (I’m slow sometimes!).

              BTW, are you going to get a pic with TUML in front of the Portland Org, or should I slog down there with Baby C and her best bud tomorrow? (I live in the burbs)

              *I didn’t buy the paper, the manager of Thriftway gave it to me for free yesterday as someone had left it 😉

    • Kay

      Uh…this looks like a photo from an escort ad, truly. She looks naked, next to the statement, “are you likable.” geez.

      • Kay

        P.S. They misspelled “likable.” aarrrggghhh. (Nat alert!!)

    • PickAnotherID

      “This proven personality test…” Proven by who? Where’s the peer-reviewed study backing up this claim?

      Sounds like false advertising to me.

      Glasses are a bit fuzzy, does that last line really say, “…recommendations tailored to your needs, bend over for your results.”??

  • ReallyMGM

    My iPad and Miss Lovely took a road trip today. The King had left the building but I think he would approve.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Miss Lovely gets around 🙂

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDXzLeFUkpc

      • MrsLurksALot

        That whole album is incredible.

    • Draco

      Oh he would definitely approve! Miss Lovely is becoming like the Travelling Garden Gnome – popping up everywhere. I am going to have to find a good spot here to take a pic.

      • ReallyMGM

        I remember Lisa Marie’s tweet the night of Going Clear, “Sometimes the sound of sh!t hitting the fan is a good thing…”

        • Draco

          I didn’t know about that. She’s subtle. But those in the know, know 🙂

        • ReallyMGM

          I shouldn’t have quoted from memory…it was a bit off. Here is the actual Tweet

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Let’s count the upvotes to your Graceland photo and narrow down who she might be. I mean, you just KNOW she could be on here.

            • ReallyMGM

              You go get her, detective!

      • ReallyMGM

        The dialogue between hubby and me on this mission was hysterical. I told him the photo was an extra credit project for school. He laughed at me since school was years ago. Then I told him about the book, and then he thought it was a great idea. He held the iPad while I took photos. The foreign tourists were watching us like we were celebrities (or crazy). The guard never blinked. That poor man has seen it all. As I was posting the picture, hubby asked if a crazy person might stalk us over it, hesitated, then said, “I guess I need to load the shotgun.”

    • richelieu jr

      And of course the King himself said after his little Celeb Centre visit, IIRC, “I don’t want nything to do with those people– All they want is my money!”

      He was rught, too (well, they wanted his name and reputation as well, but close enough!)

      But they got his money, in the end, didn’t they?

      • ReallyMGM

        They appear to have gotten away with quite a bit of his money. Thankfully, LM is out, but only after she realized how she had been used. She recorded a song several years ago with lyrics that were eerily suspicious, then her Going Clear tweet was obvious.

        Rinder wrote a post about the scam involving LM, Isaac Hayes and the Memphis mission in 2012. The comments were closed, but there was more local info in them. COS is still here but have am 8hr per week operation in a suburban strip mall (sharing office space w/ a chiropractor.) Bennetta and David Slaughter are still listed as owners of the original mission. It is occupied, but a residence.

        • richelieu jr

          Interesting. Thanks for this.

    • Baby

      MGM.. Now you’re talkin sweetie.. Perfect.. Elvis was smart!

  • Basketballjane

    About to start!!!!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Looking forward to your report and of course, lots and lots of pics!

      • Draco

        I’ll have to catch up tomorrow …. need sleep… Have fun everyone, and yes please, LOTS of pics, video, audio, all of it!! And I suppose by the time I wake up there will be over 2000 comments. And the dishes just pile up in the sink.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Paper plates! They should be in your Bunker Survival Kit bag.

    • Toni m

      Thank you for the photo.

    • Super Power Wogsie

      Look at those two super heroes !! Thank you so much for sharing !!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Jesus, that crowd is as old as the ones we usually see in the clam flyers.

      • Super Power Wogsie

        lmao!!!…and you talk about me??!!??!!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I learned from the best.

          • Super Power Wogsie

            im not saying I wasn’t thinking it! I’m jus sayin…Lolol.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              That’s my girl!

  • nottrue

    I hope they are not being followed….

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Pro tip: Check the sunglasses!

      http://i.imgur.com/RDj6Mb3.jpg?3

    • Anonymous

      Message to OSA…don’t mess with Tony.

      It will be taken personally…and we’ll be looking for you…personally (and your friends…if you have any.)

  • Juicer77

    O/T American Pharaoh for the Preakeness Stakes – no horses injured, thankfully. That’s my biggest fear. Raining like Noah’s flood in Baltimore!

    • Jeb Burton

      He was impressive.

      • Juicer77

        His hooves were always bunched up together. Amazing!

    • Toni m

      And in Texas.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Triple Crown?

      Y/N

      • Kay

        Shroomy boy: I think he has a chance….he was way out in front, and didn’t drift around like he did in the Derby. We’ll see. (fingers crossed)

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          The Belmont is a much longer track. Without looking it up, I’m going to guesstimate that it’s about 7 miles longer than the other tracks. That’s why no modern horsies can win the Triple Crown.

          • Kay

            Yup, t’is true, and annoying. I think the Belmont is 1.5 miles.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              That’s right. 7.5 miles.

            • Kay

              giggle

      • Juicer77

        Only the horse knows!

        • Kay

          Very true, Juicer. One can dream…it’s been a long time since a Triple Crown winner.. sigh

      • aegerprimo

        Y..

  • Just finished “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely” and left a five-star review on Amazon. It is a tribute to Tony’s skill as a writer and reporter and the power of Paulette Cooper’s story that the book has so far racked up over 20 reviews, every last one of them giving the book five stars. I’m kind of surprised no OSA trolls have turned up to rate it one star. (It’s also pretty cool that out of the top 20 books in Amazon Best Sellers: Scientology, 18 of them are by critics — the only exceptions are two editions of “Dianetics.” Great to see “Miss Lovely” at #1, ahead of even “Going Clear”!)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Only a select few are going to be allowed to even know about this one.

      • lmnop

        Fred mentioned downthread that one day he googled for mary hubbard’s address and found the underground bunker that way. tony is so good at explaining things it’s not hard to imagine that miscaviage wouldn’t want scientology members exposed to anything he writes.

    • L. C. Spencer

      I seriously think they’re scared to let anybody go on the page.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Favorite Tony O photo

        • L. C. Spencer

          Agreed. Only thing that could improve it is if it were a gif.

  • Pierrot

    http://boston.craigslist.org/contact

    Scientology in Boston is now out of control, and has added more spams in the last 2 hours
    they are abusing Craigslist Free advertising and flouting CL TOU.

    2 X New Slant on Life Paperback
    13 X Overcoming Financial Stress, two hours later it is now 20 X
    2 X What is the Secret to Success
    8 X Learn human communication secrets
    6 X Free Film Showing, =-> 2 hours later it is 8X
    2 X For 2,500 years man has sought the state of “Clear”

    Post ids
    5016196564, 5016956723, 5016572880, 5025610633, 5018847593, 5016587156, 5028461455, 5028343103, 5028214655, 5028222722, 5028178047, 5028112735, 5016968851, 5016965788, 5028396448, 5016183356,
    5015489592, 5028212462, 5028207382, 5028204532, 5028193455, 5028171308, 5028121502, 5028114747, 5025606475, 5025600404, 5025590880, 5028398268, 5028385418, 5028325724, 5028324661, 5028318327, 5028102718, 5027800948, 5027798676, 5027795259, 5028381679, 5028347201, 5028313912, 5027799906,
    5027796541, 5025612929, 5028401204, 5028328460, 5028306885, 5028287629, 5028147603, 5023758444, 5028224527, 5023748429, 5019873531

  • nottrue
    • Juicer77

      Not sure why soap opera viewers are considered “vulnerable” but complain away, good Brits! Very well done!

    • madame duran

      The reader comments to the article are a year old.

    • ze moo

      Wow, a clam graph with properly labeled axis. How did you find that???

      • it’s an Ebner find {read the pic above it}

    • Robert Hammond

      Great stuff, ML. Reposting the list of Scientology psychiatry madness above.

      • Mymy88

        Don’t be glib!

  • Illinoisian

    Did some hard work outside today, but right now my mind is in Santa Barbara, two time zones away. Those lucky folks at the Humanist Society have heard a great presentation from Tony and Paulette, which is just finishing up if they are on schedule. Shortly they’ll be moving to the patio. Then dinner, talk and book signing. I’m enjoying thinking about it because I’m at the part in Miss Lovely when the really awful stuff is beginning. Need to remind myself that the story ends with the truth coming out and cheers from all over the world.

  • George Layton

    Being passed around on the compound in Podunk Wyoming.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Out of pure, innocent curiosity, what do orange fence-posts mean?

      • PickAnotherID

        Looks like they’re new and haven’t been up long enough to weather to grey yet.

      • George Layton

        Danger Literate Dogs Inside!

    • Robert Hammond

      Don’t bogart that book my friend. Pass it over to me.

    • aquaclara

      Smart doggies out there in Podunk. I applaud their fine taste in reading material!

    • noseinabk

      Beautiful dogs. I am sorry that you will need to wait until both of them are done with the book before you get to read it.

    • Baby

      Now THAT is living George.. Can’t get much better my friend.

  • exccla

    I REALLY HOPE JON A. DOESN’T LEAVE US BECAUSE HE’S SO BRILLIA NT ABOUT SCN AND THE NAZIS, BUT I THINK HE NEEDS A BREAK FROM ALL THE B.S. SURROUNDING THESE SUBJECTS. I READ HIS BOOK YEARS AGO WHEN IT CAME OUT. I NEED TO STUDY THIS MORE TO LEARN ABOUT GETTING A SECOND GENERATION SCN OUT. THANK YOU JON AND THANKS OF COURSE TO THE BUNKER AND TONY ORTEGA.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Can ask you not to type in all cap?

    • MaxSpaceman

      I think Jon is going to be popping in now and again, less than currently, though, as her pursues involvement in Open Minds Foundation.

      Good luck getting the 2nd gen Scilon out. And, just by the way, take off caps lock:

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      These people are going to come for you, and they are going to try to take away your caps.
      Be strong. Be swift. Tell them they can never take your caps. There is no shame in hiding and striking at random. Hide, and hit them with your caps when they least expect it. I will support you.

      • Eileen

        Don’t believe him, he won’t support you.

    • Super Power Wogsie

      I heard you from aaaallllll the way over here exccla !!!

    • aegerprimo

      My ears are bleeding from all the yelling. I heard ya…. and then some. (Don’t type in all caps… just sayin’)

    • My eyes!!!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Tracy Schmitz, are you drunk again?

      ETA: I know I shouldn’t, but I have exactly zero willpower.

      • Ella Raitch

        I know that was said with love L Wrong….xxx

  • order66

    Mr. Rogers, I’d like to talk to you about scientology.

  • L. C. Spencer

    Woohoooo! FINALLY …

    • CK

      Mine just shipped today as well; due Monday.

  • Jeb Burton

    Hey Garcias, I do a little woodworking, and I can make you a Scientology cross for lets say $10,000 or best offer. It will save you a lot of time and money with this frivolous lawsuit. Im just glad your costing DM money for his shady lawyers, but I have zero compassion for rich people who enabled DM for years crying when they realized they were being ripped off and not getting credit for the friggin cross on the super power building.

    • Anonymous

      The trick is…you have to sell the same cross to five different people…and call the sale price a “donation.”

  • aegerprimo

    Tony! I think you should feature the collection of selfie pics and landmark pics sent and posted by your fans reading and showing our copies of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’.

  • Dibythesea

    Sorry if this has been posted. An article out of Detroit talking about Scientology’s plans for their downtown org.
    http://detroit.curbed.com/archives/2015/05/confirmed-flashy-scientology-center-planned-downtown.php

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    So… who’s been waiting for this one?

    (Refresh)

    • Anonymous

      Well done!

      Better than a left hook!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Although I like this version better.

      (More to follow in the morning. I am booked today!)

      (refresh)

      • aegerprimo

        The crooked stop sign…. oh my… a picture is worth a thousand words.

    • Nice!

    • Ruby

      I also love the stop sign right there in front of the place.

      • Observer

        And what appears to be a Sea Orger

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Sea Ogre.

    • Eileen

      An instant classic!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Only thing better would have been if Otto the security guard had photobombed you.

      • Commodore H. McCringleberry

        I have a crisp new Andrew Jackson for the person that posts that photo.

    • aquaclara

      Ha ha, oh, yes! I have been waiting for this one. I love how so many of us are reading the book together (whether savoring it one a slow read, or forgoing sleep and reading straight through). And I love the worldwide instant coverage.

      Thanks so much, Triple D. You took one for the team.

    • Sid

      Nice one! Yes, I’ve been waiting to see someone get that shot. When I got the one at Flag I wasn’t even approached by security. They must have been sleeping on the job. Did anyone come out to hassle you there?

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Nope. I just jumped out of the car, grabbed a snap (or two…) and sped away.

    • Needs a Sharknado twister just in front of the building.

    • Baby

      The best.. fabulous D

  • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

    Atak certainly explains my behavior better than Scientology has done while waiting
    endlessly for the latter.

  • Kay

    OT: I rented the movie on LRH with Phillip Seymour Hoffman last night from the Amazon site. What an odd movie, and it had zero to do with Scientology. I’m still scratching my head. Joaquin Phoenix looked like a meth addict in it. I wasted my money….I should have put that towards more copies of TUML,or donated it to the Underground Bunker. Silly me.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Who knew … you dint. I found my head feeling like there was cement between my ears during most of that flick. Really don’t like that director’s films.

    • Judith Sylvester

      I had the same reaction. Didn’t get the buzz.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      It was a difficult film for sure, but nothing to do with Scientology? Are you sure you did not fall asleep or end up three feet behind your head during parts of it?

      • Kay

        Oh..probably. I was incredibly bored, and had trouble concentrating on it, except to think that Phillip Seymour Hoffman should be wearing prosthetic teeth, as he was too good looking to play LRH. I guess I was expecting something good, like Going Clear or TUML….I could hardly make myself sit through it.

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      It was an allegory to the real thing, but it was pretty dead on. Anderson is actually friends with TC and TC tried to get him to leave things out. The methodology is all pretty much the same- touch the wall, touch the window, touch the wall- everyone’s watching a damaged person getting molded into something eventually unimportant to the goals of the Founder. It follows the early years of Dianetics down to the very places LRH was roaming around- Philadelphia and Phoenix- almost exactly. It showed the whole Excalibur book myth as the “split sabre” which didn’t follow cleanly for his people because it was written prior unbeknownst to them. It’s not a biographical film at all, as Amy Adams is pretty clearly Mary Sue Hubbard, who wasnt with him at some of those stages, but its a very clear allegory for the type of psychological scheme that LRH was trying to pull off, with emphasis on his personal desires to snatch certain people up into his movement, then casually discard them later. Also, it followed WAY too many specific details to be about anyone else than the Hubster Himself. All told, a very specific allegory of life in the times when LRH was selling his Bridge. . .

      • Kay

        That makes sense….I was so bored I just wasn’t following it well at all. However, I did think to myself at one point that Mary Sue Hubbard was not supposed to be with LRH at that time. Portraying LRH “disconnecting” at the end was something I would have expected, but Joaquin Phoenix’s character was someone I didn’t care about at all, so it didn’t have the impact it would have had he been someone that you could sympathize with.

    • Phil McKraken

      You are right. It is about Hubbard and Scienttology only superficially. The main character (Phoenix) is incredibly annoying, completely uninteresting and utterly inexplicable — a deadly combination.

    • daytoncapri

      I saw it in the theatre and took it to be a thinly-disguised remix. I recognized pieces of my own story. Glad the wife did not see it with me. Not a fun movie. Amy Adams btw was excellent-scary.

  • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

    Hey Tony, I’ve only made it to page 50, but I’d predict that you have a best seller here.
    I’ll see you tomorrow.

  • Back in 2011:
    ..

    • MaxSpaceman

      excellent photograph!. any photo credit … ?

  • not many people know this but Miscavige used to moonlight in the 70’s as ‘Fritz Fetzer’, this was his first album cover

    pic

    • Mark
      • good grief… shame there’s no [proper] music video!

        • Mark

          I think it’s about magic mushrooms in the Berlin woods, or something…

      • Skabetti

        Are you sure? I think he’s too tall to be Miscavige.

        • Mark

          But he’s definitely got that “still stuck in the 80’s” look…

    • … and if memory serves these guys were the first ‘plucked from an L.A. audition queue’ by one of those old school reg’s promising them success… outfits were Hubbard’s personal design, apparently…. not sure what the M and F stand for, though

    • aegerprimo

      So ecclesiastical!!!

      • Eclipse-girl

        the rolled up pants are a killer, aren’t they?

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      I always assumed he was the little guy riding the giant guy in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. Similar vocabulary and all. . .

  • Observer

    I can’t wait to hear how things are going in Santa Barbara!

    • Shanester

      Hopefully it was recorded, if not video then definitely audio?

    • Basketballjane

      It was great. They asked us to turn off our phones at the beginning or I would have recorded it. But Tony and Paulette were amazing.

  • AintMizBahavin

    Running in the door. waving at my bunkeroo family.. not feeling to great i think the dr messed up during my biopsy i’ve never felt pain like that before. i’ve had the procedure three times before and never felt a thing. this time was different very different. i had the procedure done on the 12th and im still in pain today though not as bad as in the beginning. anyway im still here just havent been posting much. i hope everyone is having a awesome day i know i am.

    • Eclipse-girl

      (((HUGS)))

      please keep us informed

      I do not think you should be in this pain. See someone.

      • AintMizBahavin

        will do Eclipse ty

        • Eclipse-girl

          PLEASE do. I am a stoic and refuse to see an MD till it is bad,

          I want you to a softie (and I know you aren’t) and get your ass to the MD right away.

          Please

    • Robert Hammond

      Love and Light! Get some rest.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      So sorry to hear this. Hooe you can get both relief and some answes very, very soon.

    • aegerprimo

      Hmmm…. email aegerprimo AT hushmail DOT com

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Thank you.

    • Baby

      I am so sorry Ain’t.. sending Baby love.. let us know honey.. sigh… ; /

  • Basketballjane

    Today was a good day.

    • Ruby

      We want details! 🙂
      And pics?
      ETA: Just refreshed and saw this one 🙂

    • Super Power Wogsie

      Great Photo!! Waving Hi !!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      What an awesome photo, Nora.
      Thank you.
      I can feel the enturbulation and entheta from here.
      Beautiful.

    • Robert Hammond

      Nice looking SPs! Looking forward to 5/22 in SF.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Whos on the right?

      • Basketballjane

        That is my beautiful Mama Kathy

        • MaxSpaceman

          a major enturbulator 🙂

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Just love that both of you are there together. Everyone is just beaming in that pic. Cant wait for details.

    • aquaclara

      Look at those gorgeous smiles. So lovely. I just want to thank you for remembering how much we love knowing what’s going on, and sending us a postcard!

      I hope your day was terrific.

    • aegerprimo

      Just WOW!

    • Mockingbird

      Good Company

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Love 🙂

    • Eclipse-girl

      We look forward to a write up.
      nice photo

      • richelieu jr

        I’ll get that KR right out!

        • Eclipse-girl

          Because we want everyone to snitch on everyone else 🙂

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      This just made my night! Lovely.

    • Candy Swanson

      Great meeting all of you today! Aloha!

    • All of you look superb! Thanks for sharing!

    • Baby

      Wow..You can’t fake those smiles.. fabulous BBJ..

  • Robert Hammond

    Got this from Media Lush’s Scientology Bullocks page, but thought it fit well with the above blog about Scientology’s insane ideas about psychiatry. 10 Bizarre Claims from Scientology’s War on Psychiatry: http://listverse.com/2015/05/01/10-bizarre-claims-from-scientologys-war-on-psychiatry/

  • exccla

    I am so sorry for using all caps. Me bad. I saw that I was using all caps at the end of the first sentence, but I didn’t want to retype it. Please forgive me. And thanks for the support in getting my children out.

    • Robert Hammond

      Thanks for sharing. Glad you can take a little levity. This place can definitely take you poppin off a few caps by accident. Nobody got hurt this time. We were all ducking behind chairs. Glad the coast is clear. Glad your kids got out safely. The best is yet to come.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Aww, don’t worry at all 🙂 The chandeliers have stopped rattling!

      PS. It’s good to have you here.

  • richelieu jr

    I have noticed this doubling myself, particularly in a couple of videos of Mike Rinder refusing to cut Gerry Armstrong the least slack an dbasically implying thatt hye may have made mistakes, but ‘that guy, he deserved it!’

    I had been quite won over by Mike’s winning charm and his story of leaving the cult (well, starting to) and that threz a lot of cold water on it.

    I hope he’s gotten over this, but if not, it is flashing red light that he is not as free as he thinks he is.

    • Eclipse-girl

      As individuals, we ALL have to deal with our past.

      I think that Mike has tried hard to deal with as much as he can and each day is different.

      I would love to see Mike and Marty and Gerry share a beer together, But it is not my call

      • richelieu jr

        It is not my cal either, but I will sure as hell criticize the continued bad-mouthing and persecution of one of the key individuals (along with Paulette Cooper) in revealing ghe tirth about this cult by persons who claim to be above such behaviour now..

        I am sure I am unlikely to be noticed amongst the flurry of interviews and celeb treatment, but I was repeatedly to,d to shut up about Marty as well, and in the end (with no help from me, I am sure) Marty made exactly the sort of statement I had been saying was necessary.

        I hope Mike will gett here too, and in the meantime I shall point out that it isnt very repentant and ‘free’ to continue to dead-agent a hero (in my book) who is NOT getting the flashbulbs and ass-kissing, and zho didn’t spend the vast majority of his adult life persecuting, slandering, threatening and blackmailing people (like (Gerry, Paulette and Jon Atack) on behalf of Hubbard, Miscavige and their scary, Stalinist organization.

        Pity the whistleblozer and praise his jailer seems ass-backwards to me.

        • Sid

          Why not write Mike and ask him about it. Maybe he’s changed his view.

          • richelieu jr

            I have mentioned it on his boards and was set upon by hoards of Hubbard apologists—e excuse me— “Independents”…
            For the rest— I do not care if he has changed his opinion somewhere in secret. He needs to do so in public and take those videos down.
            It’s like the NYT selling us the Iraq War on page one then retracting the info on page SS39.

            • Sid

              Good point. I never understood the whole independent thing. When I was getting out someone asked me if it was the tech or the people. I said if the tech worked you wouldn’t have a problem with the people.

            • richelieu jr

              Boy, ain’t that the truth?

        • Eclipse-girl

          I do not know what you events you are referring to.

          I know in the past both Mike and Marty have down played Gerry and I do share you indignation about that.

          It is also clear that over time both of them have slowly changed their mind set about scientology and Ronnie.

          • richelieu jr

            Well, everything you say is true (for me! 😉 )

            The stuff I am talking about is rather old– One that stands out was from the whole series where Mike and Marty are fishing and Marty is still in his ‘We have a process for that, the tech is CR-45 ” or whatever nonsense, and they both pretty much out Travolta for anyone within hearing distance (as if there had been any doubt)..

            The other, the one where he Mike refuses to pardon Gerry specifically is part of interview (for TV? I THINK–,perhaps outtakes, even?) And He is driving his car and talking to the cameraman in the passenger seat..

            Both are pretty stale stuff.

            I know this is no great description, but hopefully one of these little details will ring a bell.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I know what you mean.

              Both men said and did things early after their escapes that they would probably disavow if you asked them today.

              Certainly each of their writings have changed over the years.

              I would rather think positively and see mush each man is distancing themselves from Hubtub these days.
              I believe Marty no longer audits people.
              Who would have thought that would happen 5 yrs agos?

        • Commodore H. McCringleberry

          Not really sure what exactly you’re going after here. I read Rinder daily, and I read Rathbun whenever someone puts up a link to an interesting piece (because, honestly a lot of his stuff, not to be critical, comes off like a college freshman required course about “thinking”). I haven’t seen Rinder criticize a critic at any time at least since the FLAG opening. If there are egregious examples, I either straight up missed them, or they happened way back in the day. As Mr. Atack has pointed out more than once, walking away from the Scientology Mindfuck Corporation is done in stages, and painstakingly slow in a lot of cases. I’m very happy to wipe the slate for any of the former high ranking crowd on a six month basis.

          • richelieu jr

            If something is said publicly (in this case he was saying, yeah, we did some bad stuff, Gerr’ys name is brought up and he basically, says, ‘Well, not him– Gerry Armstrong is an @$$Hole…” then it should be retracted publicly.

            Glad you’re willing to wipe the slate, and you certainly read mike’s blog more than I do (and I agree with your take on Marty, BTW) Thing about real-world crimes and abuse is, there is no statue of limitations.

            We are dealing with a sect that has constantly said when caught red-handed–OK? it was those guys, but NOW we’re different, and then done exactly the same thing, again, and again, and again?

            I am not taking any Scilon (or ex-scions) or ‘independent’s word for ANYTHING.

            Trust, sure, but as Reagan added, ‘But Verify.’

            You ‘Slate-wiping’ system would have let them get away with absolutely everything. 6-month memories are Scientology’s meat.

            • Commodore H. McCringleberry

              Okay. I understand where you’re coming from. We agree on Marty, so we’ll move on from that.

              Mike is basically in the first group of the second-gen clams. And smarter than most since he actually ran away, losing contact with two of his kids in the process. While there was probably no love lost with Cathy Rinder, he did make an attempt to go back for his son, had a bad encounter with his daughter and ex-wife chaperoned by Jenny Linson, et al, and the continual monitoring of his life as he attempted to rebuild, remarry, and started anew. All of that to say that I was unaware of any abusive rhetoric (in the last five years) regarding Gerry Armstrong. I have a great amount of respect for him as he’s managed to build and maintain a realistic biography of the Hubster regardless of outside pressures and limits to his freedom to travel. That dude will get his reward, if the universe is just.

              If there is current beef between Rinder and Armstrong, please state it. I’d bet real money that Mike Rinder is unaware of such problems.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Was this recent, Rich?

      • richelieu jr

        No, iBetty, this is indeed pretty old stuff, and I would be very glad to see thatt has beenemedied (as indeed it may well have been. i do not read Mike’s blog every day. The comment section is far to scary a place for me)

    • flyonthewall

      when were those vids taken? Sure they’re recent?

      • There was one video like that made years ago with a German documentary crew (if memory serves me). (And I do mean years ago – can’t be bothered to find out how many.)

        Nothing wrong with keeping it in mind, but to me the unfolding building of Mike’s blog and the comments in it are more interesting.

    • Frodis73

      What videos are you talking about?

    • Missionary Kid

      I think it’s a measure of how deep the $cientology programming is, as well as the fact that Gerry takes apart and destroys the entirety of Rinder’s belief system that he’s spent so much time defending. That includes the time he’s spent as an Indy.

      To $cientology, a person who leaves is bad, and an Ex who speaks out is worse, but an Ex who deconstruct the thinking of $cientology so logically and we’ll is pure evil.

      In addition, there may be some ego involved, and on some level, Mike may feel outshoned. IMO, Mike, at some level, may want to be the expert on $cientology from the outside. I don’t think Gerry’s ego is involved.

      • richelieu jr

        That is really interesting @missionarykid:disqus … There are aspects here that I hadn’t even considered.

        Food for thought. Thanks!

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks. I always appreciate your input.

  • Super Power Wogsie

    O/T: Holy Xenu!!

    The Oprah Winfrey Network (OWN) is going to be airing an interview with Leah Remini, and she will be talking about her split from Scientology !!!

    Aaaah! Dream come true!!!! It will be showing 10pm eastern time 7 central!!

    http://www.etonline.com/news/164618_exclusive_leah_remini_opens_up_about_painful_split_from_scientology/

    • Super Power Wogsie

      Link reposted

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      And I just left by cousin’s house with cable. (We spent the evening eating out and watching John Wick.)

  • Missionary Kid

    ATTENTION EVERYBODY GOING TO SEE TONY AT THE STEVE ALLEN PLAYHOUSE
    I’m bringing 100 stick-on name tags.for anyone to use. If you’re going to put a name on it, please put your Bunker nickname, ONLY IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE.

    Mine will read MISSIONARY KID. I probably won’t have my real name on it. If you feel comfortable, with it, you can also put your real name on it, or you can just put your real name, without your nickname.

    I’m not trying to out anyone. It’s because I’m so lousy with names and faces, and anything like that helps me associate faces with names.

    If you want a name tag, I’m the chubby guy with glasses, platinum blonde hair, and I’m planning on wearing a black cap with a propeller on the front.

    • outraged

      I wanna go….whine….:-{

      Live on the side of the country.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I do not live on a coast.

        • Missionary Kid

          Lets hope that it becomes popular enough to continue all over the US, and more places in Canada.

      • Missionary Kid

        There is no wrong side if you’re away from $cientology.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ve edited my post because I stupidly left off Paulette’s name on it. After all, if it weren’t for her courage and grace, when she first wrote about $cientology, many of us wouldn’t be here.

    • aquaclara

      You’re the best. Have a terrific time. We’ll be watching from the cheap seats…..wish I were closer.

      • Missionary Kid

        Thank you. I’ll try to take some pictures.

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      That’s a really good idea! I’m going to try to make it home to DC for the last event, but in the meantime, I live in that spacial void north of Mexico, south of Oklahoma, east of New Mexico, and west of Louisiana. DM has never heard of this place. You can ask him.

      • Missionary Kid

        Gee, what could be there? Someone told me it’s the second largest state, but the clam map has it blank.

    • lmnop

      I’ll be wearing a light brown hat with an orange print scarf, hope I can get there early enough!

      • Missionary Kid

        I hope to get there by 10:00. If I get there before you, do you want to buy a ticket for you? You can pay me back when you get there.

        Just reply to my post here if you do. I’ll get notification on my smart phone.

        • lmnop

          Tickets are free, but yes, get two and I’ve changed my mind, I’m an old lady, short, blond, I’ll be wearing black jeans, no hat. Thank you Missionary Kid! 🙂

          • Missionary Kid

            Unless you’re a member, the tickets are $8.00.
            Ill see you there.

            • lmnop

              Oh my goodness, good thing I have cash!

            • Missionary Kid

              I’d spot you for it. 🙂

  • Scientology Snake Tamer

    I disagree with you in respect to the only permitted emotion being enthusiasm. I would go as far as saying that seeing it that way limits ones view of how truly dangerous Scientology or a trained Scientologist is. What I have experienced is that any emotion and communication style will be used in order to obtain the intended frame of mind on any person. That intended frame of mind is ALWAYS one step closer to total alignment and active support for command intention. Each and every person in contact with Scientology or a Scientologist IS being activily manipulated. So I say that ANY emotion combined with ANY communication combined with ANY lie imaginable mixed with a small itsy bitsy bit of truth will ALWAYS be used in EVERY interaction in an attempt to manipulate the mind and bring into closer alignment with Command Intention every person that comes into contact with Scientology or a Scientologist. The goal is control. Absolute control. Now I will say that a new public is defiantly expected to be walking around quiet enthusiasticly, and that enthusiasm is often used to gain the interest of bait.

    • May_West

      I agree. I can’t stand being around the sciloon I know. It’s all about them “handling” me & they’ll do it through foisting their fake, phony emotions on others if need be. Not to mention petty acts done to cause trouble. It is control they want & if they can’t get it, the claws come out. I guess you could redefine this over-the-top behaviour as exhibiting “enthusiasm” but I liken it to 12 year old behaviour. Except they exhibit it before they leave the cult.

      • Scientology Snake Eater

        I have Ben successful at just smiling and going on about my day doing a good job at what I do. A Scientologist will tell you anything to try to make you feel stupid and weak, so they can then sell you the solution. Good luck.

    • I think Jon was talking about the attitude that Scientologists are required to impose upon themselves, how difficult this is to maintain, and how easily Scientologists can let the front slip during a sympathetic, on-on-one encounter with someone outside of Scientology.

      It’s worth noting that the sort of control that you describe works best in an all-Scientology environment, where insecure Scientologists are constantly watching each other, and trying to outdo each other in compliance (like ‘mourners’ at a N Korean dictators funeral) in order to avoid ‘ethics.

      Many Zealots may try to apply this attitude to outsiders in order to manipulate or recruit others but it evidently does not work (the Orgs are empty, after all). What’s more controlling others is even it’s real function. It’s real function is to insure that Scientologist keep each other compliant and under control.

      In this situation, the habit of trying to impose a state of mind upon yourself leads to extreme behaviour. Remove the Scientologist from the Org (and the social pressure to confirm) and they are, as Jon describes, very vulnerable to doubt. This is one of the reasons the CofS emphasise total commitment, and encourage Scientologist only businesses – to minimise the contact members have with outsiders.

      • Scientology Snake Tamer

        Thanks for the great points. I may have taken things out of context here. But it was a relief. Hope you enjoy your Sunday and can make it to a book signing.

        • Book signing? If only!
          I live in the UK.

          Perhaps, when I come into big money I will take a world tour (and meet some people whom I know only as icons.) Until then.

  • SarahDB

    Reposting picture, figured out how to switch it sideways: TUML at the Old North Bridge, Concord, MA

    • Baby

      Oh beautiful.. Look at that blonde hair.. and shit it even looks natural.. Gorgeous bridge
      OH a Bridge Actually to Somewhere.. Perfect Sarah..

      • SarahDB

        Only my hairdresser knows for sure! 😉

        • Baby

          Hahahha.. I’m a blonde.. I know what cha mean.. So glad you joined us Sarah!

          • SarahDB

            Thanks for the warm welcome Baby! Fell down the rabbit hole about six months ago and landed here. What a great community supporting each other!

            • Baby

              Yep.. and you fit in perfectly Sarah.. Crazy fun bunch.. always a soft place to land.. xoxox

            • SarahDB

              xoxoxo

  • This is a story from a couple of days ago that made the front page of a few newspapers in the UK….. I think the relevance is obvious and it made me think what some of the older ‘easier’ marks still-in the cult must be going through. A few years ago you couldn’t walk down the street in a shopping area without getting accosted by these ‘charity thugs’ with clipboards… they’re way more regulated nowadays but you do see the occasional one… too late for this poor soul

    pic

    • I was talking to two volunteers in a charity shop (US: Thrift Store?) recently. Outside there were two fund-raisers, working for the same cause, whom the Volunteers were watching through the window, with guarded expressions.

      A customer came in, and mentioned to the volunteers how enthusiastic the people outside were. “Yes” replied the volunteers, “They’re on commission”. For them, it was a ‘we don’t approve, but it works, so what can you do?’ situation.

      It seems that charities have had to choose between sincerity and income. While it’s working for now, I think it’s going to cost them a lot of good will in the long term.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Leah R. on OWN right now, 22:25 Eastern Daylight Time.

  • MaxSpaceman

    OWN. Leah Remini. 10pm EDT.

    “We’re were raised in it (Scn).
    Everyday, 3 1/2 hrs minimum, 7 days per week.
    Minimal time is spent w/ your family.

    “I was at one of the hotels in FL, doing a course. And looked outside
    and saw my daughter swimming, for the 1st time in her life.
    A tear fell and I realized I’m doing the same thing my mother did with me.
    That was the beginning. Our decision to leave– it’s people and a lifestyle you’ve known all your life.
    There’s a lot of pain, a lot of healing. Taking time.
    When you were taught to think a certain way … “

    • gotababynamedspike

      Missed her segment, but noticed that the episode airs again at Midnight CT. Thanks for the heads up!

      • MaxSpaceman

        I got it down thread from a Bunkeroo, who posted it 🙂

      • May_West

        It is scheduled to play a few times in the next few days where I live. But it didn’t air tonight. Go figure.

    • ReallyMGM

      It was an interesting segment. she said more than I expected her to say about it. She nailed it though…instead of reading LRH she should have been making memories with her daughter. You can never get those times back. I adored her reality show, and her mother is a NUT (in a good way). If you haven’t seen it, I recommend the “Tramp Stamp” episode. But Leah, no more Botox, please.

  • A bird in the chimney

    I read Miss Lovely while traveling and hardly noticed the flight or long train trips. Bravura, Tony! Even being so familiar with the subject the whole was engrossing, and Paulette’s story revelatory; it simultaneously felt brand-new and like a vital piece of the solution building against $ci’s puzzle these days. Reading and having “known” parts click in with the newly learned (timelines, events, the people involved) was super satisfying as these bits are pulled together to create a full picture, and an amazing portrait of an inspiring, complicated woman. (One who, even without her tilting at $ci for so long and enduring, would merit a biography of interesting distinction.)

    It was a thrill to read so many names familiar to the Bunker in the narrative as well. Among those Jon–special shout-out here for giving us yet another post filled with insights and empathy.

    Thanks for always being so on the spot and diligent and pushing to tell truths, Tony. Congrats on this wonderful book–and the efforts that brought you to the subject, through researching, and then getting it written.

  • gotababynamedspike

    I realize that Tony (and Paulette) making a stop in Arkansas on the book tour isn’t going to happen, but what about somewhere in the South? Nashville? Dallas? I can drive! My apologies if I’ve missed that announced somewhere.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I don’t live in that part of the country but don’t they have numerous, low cost airlines. My Dad get cheap tickets on Soutwest, Spirit and another one. Now that all fares are one-way if one doesn’t have the return you can choose another. You have to book them only on their sites and can’t use Priceline or Orbitz but with some homework it’s often cheaper for him to fly than drive. Frontier, is another one, just remember to put everything in a single backpack. I know Spirit charges for anything but a purse. I’m sure Google can help you find a list of low cost carriers. Also, remember that some city’s have cheaper airports.

  • MaxSpaceman

    It’s really, really been difficult getting books outside of the London publishers targeted distribution points.

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      Every Meepthorp is a great Meepthorp.

  • lmnop

    Check out Paulette’s website: http://www.paulettecooper.com/author1.html
    She currently lives with Paul and their two teacup shih-tzus, Polo & Peek-a-Boo. (very cute!!)

  • stillgrace2

    It cracks me up that TUML has become the garden gnome of the literary world. TUML gets around!

    • noseinabk

      Hoping to get a pic at the rocket launch at Wallaps Island next month. If I miss I will try to get a pic with the field of satellites that look look an alien communication site.

      • noseinabk

        Edited. Meant satellite dishes.

    • Robert Hammond

      Like the gnome, TUML wants to see the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LuUM4z9l0M

    • ReallyMGM

      I had a blast plotting my TUML photo shoot. I had several good ideas before I made my final plan. Explaining it to the hubby was funny. He is COS-aware, but taking a picture of a book cover at Graceland??? Once he “got it” he was all in and had a great time helping. (He was only kidding about the shotgun!)

  • coonellie

    Stay cool, it’s safer ;). I get the WSJ, so I’m really uncool, but nothing local. Good luck with Powell’s. My family no longer allows me in the door, especially if I’ve just been paid. I’m like a drunk on a bender in that place.

    I’ll try and do the Org picture but will leave Portlandia for you!

    If you want to borrow my copy, just let me know. Oh, the Washington County library system will have a copy shortly. They ordered it after I recommended it to them (if you are way uncool and actually have a library card!).

  • piper

    Great article by a compassionate and caring researcher. Keep it comin’!

  • Excellent essay from Jon, as always. This topic (the effect of radicalising coercive groups on their victims and the recovery from being a victim) is getting more and more important. Article just yesterday with someone who walked away from being talked into being a suicide bomber: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/war-with-isis-the-brides-brainwashed-into-becoming-suicide-bombers-10254617.html

    On a lighter note, I have taken to referring to the appeal of $cientology to the inner teenager who is always too busy saving the world to pick up their room. Jon says it better 🙂

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Out topic. How strange is this? For years I had an assistant who worked out of my home office. Although, she was great at keeping the house clean her real skill was working with my Greyhound adoption work. Often, I’d have a hard to place dog placed at my home to live with my three to get them acclimated to life after the horrible conditions to the track. At night, sometimes she’d make a bed on the floor out of sleeping bags and they’d all sleep in a pile in the living room. Then suddenly I came home a day early from a business trip and arrived home at 6 a.m. I thought I smelled beer and sure enough it wasn’t only on her breath but was hidden in a coffee cup. I waited a day and then had a talked to her about it. Driving my hound’s to the beach in my vehicle makes me liable in there would be an accident. Then she all of a sudden flipped out and claimed she’d been up since 5a with one of my very old dogs and it shouldn’t make a difference. I wasn’t going to be yelled at so I left, checking the recycling and found it filled clear to the to with beer bottles! I had to let her go and it broke my heart. Then I got my Amex, card bill and found out she had gone on a 1300$ binge before I could shut it off. Well my handyman was going to work the other morning and saw her in action at her new job. He’s also my buddy since High school and wears a Go-Pro camera around his neck. Here she is taking care of a dog and a disabled adult. He is 26 but has the (on right corner) mental capacity of a 13 year old. He captured it all on camera for me.

    https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/14d5e9a86ab186be?projector=1

    • Mymy88

      She is walking on thin ice. Apparently, she has a problem that is so bad, she is risking her safety as well as any animal OR human OR whatever, she is taking care of, and she’s probably risking this on a daily basis. WTF? Not having the dog on a leash in a place like that! Or in any place! Gah! What a nightmare for you to have gone through that, but at least you nipped it in the bud.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Having been a big drinker in my 20’s I gave it up and never wanted to be one of those people who judged. The yard was always tip top, the dog poop always picked up and the house spotless. The hounds just loved her. When she stayed over I never minded if she grabbed a six pack at the end of the day. Looking back I guess I knew it was getting worse yet must have went into denial about it. I know these people who she works for now and an tempted to find a way to get their email address, One time I did tell her I’d help her get into treatment but she said she didn’t have a problem. But my one joint a week to her was like crack to her. I always thought that was funny until now. Just remember how sad I was when I had to let her go. Now I pity her. She never ate food very often which has to be really bad for her. Thank god my dogs are OK! Wish I could do something as it seems to be getting worse, fast!

        • Mymy88

          You are in between a rock and a hard place. It can be extremely challenging when it comes to wanting to help someone that is on a destructive course due to substance abuse. I didn’t realize you knew her as well as you did. That makes it much harder. Sometimes people have to hit bottom before they can get back up. I hope that’s not the case for her.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            She worked for me for over five years off and on. The last three she was full time as I needed somebody and truthfully she was a great worker. I made a great deal more money though so she was very well compensated. I did have to be gone though ans needed a dedicated person. Other people tried to tell me but never came out and said it.

            • Mymy88

              That’s a very difficult situation, but you have to do what you have to do. I do not envy you but sometimes shit happens and we have to do what is right no matter how much it s*cks the biggest d*** ever!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Yeah, your right. Thanks you for making me giggle!

            • Mymy88

              Giggling is great. It’s good for the soul!

    • Google translate? Where your from?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Nebraska, Rio, San Bruno Ca, St. Louis Mo, Porto Alegra Br, Seattle, Rio, San Francisco.

        • Sorry! it was my browser or Disqus that messed up your post in a strange way, also i couldent see the vid.

    • ReallyMGM

      I am concerned for the disabled adult she caring for. She left him standing unattended too. If she has an alcohol problem she has absolutely no business being his caretaker. Call the authorities before a tragedy occurs on her watch. Dogs on leashes…ALWAYS!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I know his mother and think I’ll call a friend who has her email address. He is such a sweet kid and had a rough time growing up that way, His Mom travels all the time but would rather he be home than another institution. When he comes back he is fat with grey skin and very over medicated. His Dad the Dr. and his mother are divorced. His Dad an ortho Dr. wants him,”out of sight out of mind” him. But his Mom has to travel for work. It’s so sad, he really tries. When he was younger he was sexually asaulted in one of those places and last time beat by staff.

        • ReallyMGM

          Someone needs to be notified for his safety. He needs another caretaker who has been more carefully scrutinized and checked out by his parents. It is a tragedy waiting to happen.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Monday, something is going to be dome about it. As I mentioned I’m friend’s with the boy’s Mothers best friend. In a big city like this something like this happened for a reason! Odd, if/when she gets fired I know my asst., will call to tell me what awful people they were to let her go. Just as I’m sure I was, but she’ll ask for her job back. I want to somehow let her know, once again that she needs help. People always say these people always hit rock bottom but i wish I knew how to get her help before she plows into a family in her beat up Range Rover.

            • ReallyMGM

              Set clear boundaries, remember that “No,” is a complete sentence. But enabling her destructive (and illegal) activity isn’t helping her. An alcoholic/addict is not an appropriate caregiver for anyone (or pets). Good luck, saying it is easier than doing it. But it takes you out of the addict’s cycle so you can stay emotionally healthy and provide a safe place for the Greyhounds.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I could never consider taking her back but I do love her almost like a sibling. As much as I try I am one of those ex-drinkers that can’t be around wasted drunk people, anyway. I know her whole family and am very close to one of her sisters and am calling her tomorrow. Strangely, with her copious amounts of beer and Camel non-filters she is in tremendous shape. She must rife her bike 15 miles a week. Ugh, thanks everybody for letting me carry on. I’m all teary eyed. I figured what I can do is put it on a thumb frive and fed-ex it to their house. I’ll also type up a brief letter. That way it is his Mom’s court then!

            • Super Power Wogsie

              Awwww…don’t be sad TT. Hopefully she can pull herself together sooner than later. Best of luck! ((hugs))

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Cheers!

    • lmnop

      I see no leash, hard to control a dog in the city without one.

  • Super Power Wogsie

    Leah Remini on OWN talking about her experience in Scientology PST.

    “There’s moments…I saw my god daughter on the street. My instinct was to run to her and you know her mom turned her back to me.”

    Disconnection is cruel

    On a lighter note, Leah Remini’s interview on OWN will reach a large audience. I’m so glad Oprah is not supporting her Koolaid drinking friends. Sincerely, hearing Oprah say “We recently caught up with Leah in Los Angeles to talk about life today and her headline making exit from the Church of Scientology.” is PRICELESS.

    • Mymy88

      nom nom nom, mmm good and juicy new news! Thanks for posting!

      • Super Power Wogsie

        I have been such a huge fan of Oprah since I was a teenager, and I mean all the books I have read as a young adult was because of her recommendation. Ironically, her interview with Dr. Weiss on past life regression was the moment I realized Scientology auditing is past life regression. It was literally the moment I decided I was no longer a Scientologist. I think I may have posted a long dissertation about it back in February. She was my hero before Scientology, and she is my hero after Scientology. She literally saved my ass many times!!! lol.

        ETA: If I didn’t watch that episode, I’d be a fucking indie lolol.

        • Mymy88

          errr derp. I don’t know what to say. I don’t like her at all, but of course this new development has me moving in the other direction lol.

          That’s awesome that she has helped you so much. I am truly glad of that.

          I know she has done a world of good for an uncountable number of people. It’s hard to explain, but I guess the main reason I didn’t like her was she always (too me anyway) seemed so placating and over gracious to all of her guests no matter who they were. That came across as kind of like she was faking it, for some unknown reason.

          But whatever, some people like broccoli, some people like spinach. I don’t judge people just because they like something I don’t or vice versa. Maybe Oprah was not being fake and that was my perception, the the point is, it aggravated me.

          Hey, I love AGP. He is kind of controversial in terms of his particular techniques for fighting Scientology and I can understand why. But I always seem to enjoy it when there is an edge to things, or kind of a rebel behavior. Not too much rebel, but just enough to make it spicy. I go for that. No wonder I didn’t like Oprah. She was never edgy lol. Of course there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s just not my cup of tea. No offense lol.

          Now Howard Stern… TOO EDGY, for me, personally lol. But at least he gets it right a lot of the times and can make you laugh lol. But sometimes, oooof, he gets is so wrong. At least he seems to be coming around a bit regarding scien. I hope he keeps it up.

          • Super Power Wogsie

            I always remember Oprah’s a business woman first, and I’m okay with that. Howard Stern is mmmm okay. I remember when he did an interview with Krustie, and as edgy as he is, I thought he wimped out when he asked her about Scientology. I felt like he could have pressed her on it a bit more.

            • Mymy88

              He needed a kick in the ass for handling the Kirstie interview the way he did. Grrrr.

              Ugh, business people… Boriiiiiiiing, but don’t listen to me Wogsy! I’m just a burnt out, been through the mill, bitter ole bitty lol.

            • Super Power Wogsie

              No worries!! Her show has exposed me to so many viewpoints, books, people, and different ways of thinkings. I am an Oprah fan for life!

            • Mymy88

              Hmm, I’m trying to think of who I am a fan of for life… hmmm. Oh! I know… Leah Rimini! I’ve seen every single episode of King of Queens at least twice, more like thrice. And NOW she’s fighting back at Miscavige! Wow, I can’t tell you how blown away I was when I found out she was once a scien and that now she is punching back with walloping results. Mind blown.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              But as he mentions, often they have agreements about what can’t be asked of them. Julia Roberts was on plugging a charity and she had five pages of questions she couldn’t be asked. Of course he read then after she left. He has been knocking the clams for years and gave Going Clear a 15 minute raving plug for free.

          • Super Power Wogsie

            ..but she is a rebel. She was a poor little girl from Mississippi who was molested by a family member for years then she went on to become a billionaire in a male dominated industry, and she brings out the best in others. She is a rebel : )

            • Mymy88

              Yeah, I know about that sexual abuse thing and the odds were against her getting to where she is today. Well I’ll say this much. The Color Purple is one of my favorite movies of all time. I think she is an excellent actress. I love her as an actress. That’s the best I can do for now. What else can I say?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Rebel, first of all she’s rich but not as rich as people think. Secondly, why would being molested have anything to do with it? I’m unashamed to say I was molested as a child but it didn’t make me poor.

            • Super Power Wogsie

              First: I’m sorry that happened to you.

              Second: She is a rebel because she became successful in a male dominated industry discussing spirituality and building a network that is the first of it’s kind

              Third: I wasn’t sure if Mymy knew Oprah’s background so I was giving a little history lesson.
              Fourth: It’s late ….Goodnight.

              Fifth: Are you saying she’s not a rebel becasue she is rich? Either way it’s late …Goodnight.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Thanks, but I was a child and couldn’t stop it. I don’t like when people infer it sets you back, forever. It is confusing and awful and I’d be so glad it didn’t happen. But you have to let life go on.
              2, She piggybacked on Males who gave her a show many liked but her OWN network is in the toilet.
              3. Rosie came out and so should she if she was so brave. When she stayed in my city 4 times when she was w/ Steadman she stays on a different floor with adjoining suites with Gayle.
              4. Steadman is almost out of the closet without running a full page ad in, The New York Times. Gay kids have a rough time and Oprah could be a great role model,
              5, G’night! XXXOOO

            • Super Power Wogsie

              Okay TT if you are drunk or high and seeing white dots you can ignore this…

              But if you are sober are you implying that both Oprah and Stedman are gay?????

              You know I luv ya Todd!!! But docs or STFU…

              Goodnight …for real this time!

              XoXo

            • Todd Tomorrow

              And you forgot Gayle. G’night!

            • Mymy88

              “And you forgot Gayle. G’night!”

              That right there… precious! LOL

        • Todd Tomorrow

          No, say it isn’t so! Super Power Indie, doesn’t have a ring to it!

          • Super Power Wogsie

            Actually it’s cute, but I will pass the indie for Wogsie : )

    • Mymy88

      Now there’s some edge for ya lol.

      • Super Power Wogsie

        I honestly didn’t think she would do it especially since she has such a friendship with JT. I mean he literally flew her and her audience members to Australia in his airplane one time.

        Sooooo I’m guessing JT can’t talk to her anymore because she is an SP now???!!

        • Mymy88

          I had no idea she was in with JT at one time so you have me wondering too. Meh. I heard she was kind of like an Indie now. I don’t know if that is true.

          • Draco

            SP Wogsie meant Oprah is big buddies with JT.

        • Mymy88

          Yeah, what are they going to do (JT and TC), tell Oprah she’s SP now, so ariverdoochie? Yeah, that would go down well lololol. Yes, I know I spelled a word wrong.

          • Super Power Wogsie

            Yep. That’s why I am making such a big deal out of it. I know JT was her bestie for a few years. I’m not too sure about TC. I know he has been one of her guests but I’m not sure what their relationship is outside the Oprah show. I just wonder if she is testing the waters to see if they will disconnect with her.

            • Mymy88

              Gah. Those two boys are just sitting around while the shit wall just keeps getting built up higher and higher around them. Oprah needs to be caught up QUICK! And then she can call and ask to interview them. “I’m sorry Ms. Winfrey, but John is unavailable to speak with you, however, as his agent, I can tell you that he will not be able to accept your invitation as he is f***** in the head at the moment and does not know when his head will become unf*****.”

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I bet he’s hung like a hamster, balls like popcorn. I showed a recent pic of him and a hairdresser said his hair looks damaged from too much color.

  • Diane

    Just got home and decided to check my mail box just in case. And…Miss Lovely was there!! 2 days early!! Now I’m brewing some coffee to counteract all of the wine, and I’m diving in. Woohoo!

  • Ardent

    Thank-you Jon for your intense and powerful farewell post. I found it moving, frightening and meaningful. I am a never-in, but I certainly recognise much of what you describe (which surprised me, honestly). I have had personal experience of the kind of personality-shifting that you discuss, and now I can finally pin down a reasonable theory for this previously (to me) inexplicable behaviour.
    You’ve given us a great deal here in The Bunker, and I want to thank you for your efforts. I wish you all the very best success with your new enterprise! And of course, I trust we’ll be hearing from you again – with good news, I trust – in the future.
    Very warmest regards,
    Ardent

  • US Race relations …. whites put forward their champion, blacks their’s…. things went exactly as expected

    http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s–21oj1dt3–/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ekr4vy7llefvzmdgllih.gif

    • Todd Tomorrow

      ? Appreciate you lush but never met so many racist people as I have in France followed by the UK.

      • not going there, here, have a ‘late night’ kitteh pic instead

        • Todd Tomorrow

          No !!!

          • they all do it….

            pic

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I wouldn’t know, don’t have any!

  • BTW: The questions about Life, Spirits, Death and Souls is still valid. But fore the love of your children, dont ask a Scientologist!

  • valshifter

    “they had admitted that Luis considered what he did in Scientology the stuff of religion” is not so much that they consider scientology “stuff of religion”, am assuming, not sure If they did or not at one time, but due to scientology being protected by law under the cloak of religion then the cult seem untouchable that way, and is in vain to argue about that. I hate to see the bully win, oh well.

    • Jenny Lee de Becker

      yep, maybe it would have been interesting to see a lawyer put a case a person’s first amendments rights should always outweigh that of any corporation or religion. Maybe that would have been a real test of democracy.

  • Mymy88

    Paging Mr. Dodo. Paging Mr. Dodo, if you are in the house tonight, please come courtesy desk. The Bunker has gone temporarily Bonkers. G’night! lol

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+** RED X ** +–+ RED X *** Sunday the 17th of May
    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,
    Removals for yesterday are AGAIN WAY UP with most of Boston complained away, Sacramento scored
    a couple of removals. Why CL does not close Boston completely down is a mystery.

    CL might check your IP to see if you are a “LOCAL”, it would help for “local” RedXers to complain.
    See how to do it : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2533760

    RedX tips : Updated to include: how to complete the CL complaint form & copy/paste post ids : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2533632
    Flag co$ lies : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    F5 … Keep Walking by Pshoudini enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, and flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16013902967/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Pierrot

      Today we celebrate the removal of 27 more ads after yesterday’s 77 ads and last week
      98 all complained away
      . If we can do it for Boston, we should be able to do it for the other regions. We need some RedXers to take ownership of the complaints in the various regions and post the evidences.
      Complaints do work, we got to do it right and keep on the pressure.!
      Do not leave it to the next person to do it, it is as easy as 1) have an email address, 2) call up the complaint form, 3) complete & send. (I have several email address now!)

      See here for Los Angeles, New York & Tampa spams: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2534855
      Scroll up to see how to complain.

      http://boston.craigslist.org/contact
      Thank you CL for removing the spams and over posting of scientology in Boston.
      We like to draw your attention to some extra spams that have been added or missed after our last complain.
      scientology should be banned from CL for their abuse of the free advertising and the flouting of you TOU!

      6 X Overcoming Financial Stress
      4 X Learn human communication secrets
      4 X Free Film Showing,

      Post ids
      5016956723, 5016572880, 5028379391, 5018847593, 5028461455, 5028112735, 5016968851, 5016965788, 5028396448, 5016183356, 5028207382, 5028193455, 5028121502, 5028114747, 5025590880, 5028102718, 5027800948, 5028313912, 5028401204, 5028306885, 5028147603, 5023758444, 5023748429

      F5… Wack a Mole by AegerPrimor https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/13356288403/in/set-72157642802079293

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Good morning.

        • Pierrot

          Good morning Eivol. Progress at last!

  • Good Morning.

    • seriouslyWTF

      Good Morning Dodo

  • Tony DePhillips

    Excellent article by Jon Attack. A few points that I might have some disagreement on but for the most part not worth discussing.

    • Mymy88

      Thank you for your post. If you don’t mind I’d like to ask what it is you disagree on. I found the Jon Atack article that Tony O. put up yesterday, really fascinating and loved every word of it. I don’t know much at all about the subject but I want too know much more. If it’s not too much trouble, can you reply to me on some old blog post so it won’t cause any controversy or whatever. If you don’t, that’s totally cool. I promise. I have been posting a lot since about mid November, 2014.

  • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

    I just listened to Jason Beghe’s 2-hour talk for at least the 3rd time and Common Sense and accurate
    observations throughout are really all that you need to know about Scientology. He is exceptionally honest, direct, and knows what the hell he is looking at.
    For a person thinking of discontinuing involvement in this INSANITY take two back-to-back listens of this talk,
    and call me in the morning.

    Jon Atack is good, but too pedantic for my taste.

  • Shanester

    Test: