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‘Going Clear’: Paul Haggis pens a description of the Scientology experience you won’t forget

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We’re drawing closer to the broadcast of Alex Gibney’s documentary about Scientology, Going Clear, which airs Sunday night at 8 pm on HBO. We have another screenshot from the film, with one of its chief stars, director Paul Haggis, who was also the subject of Lawrence Wright’s New Yorker article and his subsequent book which formed the basis for Gibney’s film.

We asked Haggis to take part in our countdown this week to the movie’s airing, and he really surprised us by sending the following, one of the best expressions of the Scientology experience we’ve ever read. If this doesn’t get you warmed up for Sunday night’s documentary, we don’t know what will.

At the outset, Paul refers to the smears that Scientology has been spreading about him since he was first profiled by Wright, but more so in the last few weeks. Scientology calls Paul the “Hypocrite of Hollywood” and accuses him of never really being a Scientologist at all. Well, here’s what Haggis himself has to say about that, and a lot more.

 
Despite what is being said in their rather pathetic attack pieces on me, I was very involved in Scientology for most of my adult life. While I thought the OT levels madness, I used many Scientology precepts in my daily life — so much so that it took several years after leaving to actually question the many “self-help” concepts that I had learned and used. The slow indoctrination process is as subtle as it is dangerous — largely because you truly believe that you are thinking for yourself, when in fact you are discouraged to do anything of the sort.

Paradoxically, there is great pride in belonging to a stigmatized group. It’s like being in love with a narcissist. All your friends will warn you that you are just being used. You understand why they think what they think, but you believe in your heart that they just don’t see what you see. You just tune them out. For that reason, when I did discover what many outside the church knew, I was truly shocked. While some of the information had been out there for many years, like all Scientologists, I refused to look. Yes, I was told not to, but I didn’t have to be. This was my group and I knew there to be many people in the world who were bigoted and close-minded, and when I was told that we were “under attack” in Germany or France or wherever, instead of looking for the reasons, I assumed this to be the case — and donated many thousands of dollars toward our “defense.” Yes, there was considerable duress involved in those “donations,” but if I didn’t honestly believe what I was being told I would not have handed over such large sums.

It makes little or no sense in retrospect, and it’s very hard to understand unless you’ve been a part of a marginalized group. While I was a constant thorn in the side of the executives, questioning practices I thought unjust, it never crossed my mind to voice my concerns outside the organization. In fact, even after I sent my letter of resignation I maintained a great fondness for “the old man.” Yes, he was a rogue, and he might have gone insane later in life, I thought, but I still believed he had put together a pretty workable system for steering through life. Even then. I might have been outraged by injustices I witnessed or heard about, but I dropped the blame at the doorstep of David Miscavige and company. Miscavige, I later discovered to my amusement, never liked or trusted me — in his eyes I was a bad Scientologist — which I admit myself. I was told he was angered that I wasn’t “deferential enough,” and I asked too many questions, even if internally.

Too many, and as it turned out, not near enough.

It took years after leaving to understand that these practices I railed against had always been at the core of Scientology — that Miscavige was just very faithfully, if cynically, following L. Ron Hubbard’s cruel playbook. The reason this was hard to believe is exactly because of the duplicitous nature of Hubbard’s writing. He wrote tomes on the practice and necessity of critical thought; how nothing should be accepted at face value. His “ethics formulas” stress that when making a difficult decision you have to push aside all personal bias and truly look at what people are doing, not just what they are saying. “Look, don’t listen” is oft repeated advice — but it is advice given to the blind. All these high-minded teachings are useless when you factor in the thing you are never allowed to question — Scientology, its teachings, practices and leadership.

Somehow Scientologists are able to accept those incongruous and contradictory thoughts. For example, they truly believe that only Scientology can save the world, and that they are making major strides in this direction every year. They hold onto this belief despite the fact that there isn’t even a modicum of evidence that they are having even the tiniest impact on any problem in any part of the globe. Scientologists simply accept the assurances of the church leaders that it is so. To the contrary, volumes of compelling evidence from unimpeachable sources that their organization has done and is doing serious damage to thousands of people is dismissed before it is ever inspected.

That’s what will happen to Going Clear. At least that’s what the church hopes happens. Without even watching it my former friends will condemn it as lies. You see it happening already. Understand that many of these Scientologists are damn smart people; many of them truly lovely and caring. But they are the same people who will not hesitate to cut their closest friend or family member out of their lives if they commit the ultimate crime of criticizing the church. You could do anything else and they would stand by you; commit any crime and they would be there to defend you. But not this.

I believe this is because somewhere in the back of their heads they know, as I did, that the very act of questioning could bring down their entire belief system. They have been slowly but surely trained to believe that if you don’t agree with something that LRH wrote, you just don’t understand it. Questioning anything means questioning everything. Even the slightest crack in that belief system could spread into a fissure. They cannot afford or allow the smallest doubt, because if it took root, their perfect world — a world where there is an answer to every one of life’s questions — could fall apart around them, and they would be left, like the rest of us, searching in the dark for their own answers in an uncertain world. Which brings to mind something a true genius wrote: “Forget your perfect offering. There is a crack, a crack, in everything. That’s how the light gets in.” For the sake of my former friends, many of whom I loved, I hope that Going Clear is the first crack, that they will watch it, and the light will slip in.

— Paul Haggis

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 24, 2015 at 07:00

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  • NOLAGirl

    Poke a Senator today. It’s fun. 🙂

    https://twitter.com/NOLADuchess/status/580390471182090241

    • dungeon master

      For the Times they are a-changin..

  • ShoopZ

    For once Kirstie is correct. (refresh)

    • Lucille Austero

      I’m sorry – look at her little piggy feet!!

      • ShoopZ

        I “enhanced” them. }:-)

        • Lucille Austero

          muy bueno!!

          • ShoopZ

            They are actually from a different photo of her. Her protest photo had no feet in it.

  • Gerard Plourde

    Paul Haggis’s statement that he didn’t buy into the OT levels is revealing. I wonder how many other Scientologists have the same mental reservation and whether that will lead them to the same result as his.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      Some ex-Scientologists have said the same thing, including Jason Beghe, although other exes have said that they swolled it whole, Xenu and all. I’m guessing the still-in OTs would lean more to the “completely falling for it” portion of the spectrum. There have been a few exes who encountered it in the wog world, were told it was all lies, and then learned the truth about it when they finally reached OT3.

    • Sherbet

      Proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that the smears are correct, and Haggis was not a good scientologist. Oh, his donated money was good enough for cos, just not his level of devotion. And YES, I’m joking about this. Haggis must have been a real jewel in Dave’s crown while he was in. cos never learns they shouldn’t piss off the big donors and public faces of scientology, because they’ll come back and bite the cult in the derriere.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      Before Haggis blew, there was speculation among Scientology critics that the celebs received a light version of OT3 which didn’t include Xenu, but this has certainly proven not to be true.

    • Participation in the ‘higher levels’ does seem to be marked not by belief, but by the constant and difficult suspension of disbelief. This is why the surveillance and control that ‘OTs’ are subject to is so extreme. The CofS itself understands that this state of mind is extremely fragile, and must be protected from contrary ideas (or even close examination by the Scientologist) at all costs.

      The answer to your question is ‘almost everyone’. These mental reservation are likely to become full-blown doubts whenever a CofS member strays outside of the controlled social environment of Scientology and is exposed to other influences.

      Declining membership and the popular reaction to productions like “Going Clear” are going to accelerate this process.

  • From a’ never in’ point of view Paul Haggis seems to be describing a number of social-psychological phenomenon which all come together in Scientology to create a perfect storm. Principally:

    > Confirmation Bias (the tendency to notice information which confirms your beliefs, and overlook information which does not.
    > Social conformity and obedience to authority (experiments by Ashe and Milgram demonstrate how powerful social pressure can be – Ashe demonstrated how it can override the direct evidence of your own eyes)
    > Pluralistic ignorance (Individual Scientologists who are disappointed by their experience stick with it because all of the people around seem to be getting so much out of it. They don’t realise that almost everyone feels the same way. Members of every Org think that theirs is the only one which is empty. They don’t realise that members of all the other Orgs think the same thing).

    https://scicrit.wordpress.com/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-series/

    He also brings out the potential fragility of the Scientology mindset wonderfully well

    […] the very act of questioning could bring down their entire belief system. […] Even the slightest crack in that belief system could spread into a fissure. They cannot afford or allow the smallest doubt, because if it took root, their perfect world — a world where there is an answer to every one of life’s questions — could fall apart around them, and they would be left, like the rest of us, searching in the dark for their own answers in an uncertain world.

    Uncertainty isn’t so bad – and has the advantage that over the dubious ‘certainty’ claimed by Scientologists that life can constantly surprise you. It must, ultimately, be sterile and boring to live in “a world where there is an answer to every one of life’s questions.”

    • One Human

      Excellent references, Once Born.

    • Betsy

      This makes me think of Chris Shelton’s last Q&A video. He says right off that the three most important words in critical thinking are “I don’t know.”

      • AsSeenOnOkra

        Absolutely. And suspension of belief is the only way we ever learn anything new.

      • I completely agree. Real science operates on the principle that even our most cherished theories are tentative and may be overturned (hopefully to improve them) at any time.

        The scientists who are preparing the Large Hadron Collider for a new run of experiments are hoping for results that cannot be explained by our current best theories because this would open a whole world of fascinating new physics to them.

        My point was that even the delusion of ‘certainty’ must take all of the joy out of life – which is surely bound up with it’s ability to constantly surprise and delight you. I would not want security at the cost of wonder (I’m a big kid, me).

    • Mockingbird

      Hubbard NEVER wanted his victims to look at social psychology as it reveals his con easily – in simpler language than hypnotism which he also studied and included covertly in his methodology .

      Remember how he wrote about this in his False Data Stripping series – he said the psychology student NEEDED more false data stripped than others !! To preemptively strike against any college psychology major who walked into an org and said ” this is all bullshit – you guys are being bamboozled with social influence unseen ! “

      • Snake Plissken

        Now as I hypnotise you remember I’m not hypnotising you

      • I’m not sure that Hubbard was sufficiently aware of psychology to understand it as a threat.

        However, when “Dianetics” was published medical (and especially psychiatric) journals all reviewed it and described it as derivative gobbledegook. That was enough for Hubbard to conceive a lifelong vendetta against psychiatry and psychology.

        This turned out to be functional because, as you say, an applied knowledge of social psychology makes people harder to manipulate. What’s more, you don’t want such people spreading doubt among your true believers.

        My (minority) view is that Hubbard was not a ‘master manipulator’. He created an organisation with incredible powers of manipulation – but he did not know what he was doing. This emerged from his personality, historical circumstances and a great deal of luck.

        • Mockingbird

          He references several people and works on psychology and I have gotten reports he had articles read and explained to him by those close to him to save time . He stole from them .

          He mentions several in his tapes – if you merely quickly review all his tapes I am sure you will confirm this !!!.

          • There is a big difference between having something explained to you (or referencing it) and actually understanding it – let alone putting it effectively into practice.

            Hubbard was a lazy writer. His ‘research’ was typically superficial and the conclusions he drew from it full of schoolboy howlers. Referring to Hubbard’s tapes will only reveal that he claimed to have knowledge of the subject. I would take a lot of convincing that he actually had any.

            However, I did warn you that mine is a minority viewpoint 🙂

            • Mockingbird

              Sometimes he repackages theories and claims to discover them – like dissociation which he wrote on and several others . If you merely review all his doctrine for all mentions of the mind or how it works and all theories on psychology and cross reference them it should be clear .

            • I think we are at cross-purposes here. I agree that Hubbard constantly referred to psychological concepts, and even dressed them up on new clothes for his own purposes. However, I dispute that he understood what they meant – he was certainly unable to use them effectively.

              I could write about how I had actually discovered the Higgs boson. This does not mean to say that I understand particle physics, or that I can open a wormhole to another universe.

              I have recently reviewed the article about Dianetics that was published in “Astounding Science Fiction” in the May 1950 issue https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/03/11/dianetics-and-scientology-in-astounding-science-fiction-part-three-the-big-reveal/

              In this article Hubbard clearly plagiarises psychoanalysis without having the slightest idea of what it was about (back in the days when it was taken seriously).

    • Snake Plissken

      Certainty alone would be sterile and boring, but Scientologists are far from certain, if they were certain they would be first in line to see a movie like Going Clear or be posting right along side us right now. they are terrified of finding out their certainty is wrong. All it takes is one protester to clear the sideway of OTs and Clears on L. Ron Hubbard Way and get them to run for cover from the truth.

      In the case of Scientology, it is fasade of certainty housed in a ‘save the planet’ roleplaying game based on Hubbard’s science fiction coupled with fear and constant surveillance, so what you end up with is far from boring. It is anxiety, stress, and constant fear of something shattering the facade of certainty you have created.

      Saving the planet as the hero of Hubbard’s science fiction novels may be ridiculously juvenile, flat out silly, and quite embarrassing when you finally wake up and leave the cult, but it’s not boring.

      • That’s a good point. People who become dependent upon drugs often find that, when they are in recovery, they long for the excitement and incident that accompanied their previous life. Addiction was a terrible experience for them – but the life was never boring.

        Also – it’s the way of Scientology (and politics) that words are often used to mean the opposite of what they appear to mean.

        If you take a close look at the areas of doctrine where Scientologists boast about having achieving ‘certainty’ in their ‘success stories’ they are typically discussing the beliefs that are most fragile and easily falsifiable. ‘Certainty’ = ‘relief from justifiable insecurity’.

        Finally, your comparison of Scientology to a role-playing game was also
        made in a comment to this post
        https://scicrit.wordpress.com/?s=delusion which discusses a masters
        thesis that views Scientology as creative fantasy play gone bad.

  • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

    A very succinct and correct explanation.
    Thank you.

  • BosonStark

    Just imagine how when Paul Haggis asked his auditor something that could be construed as being critical of Xenu or whatever, David Miscavige reviewed it. The degree to which Miscavige monitors their every question should give scilebrities the creeps. Instead, they ignore it, don’t know about it, or accept it as part of their perfect world.

    • ze moo

      Clam clebs get very special treatment. Perhaps even better treatment then the whales. But only if you worship COB, not being ‘deferential’ enough may have been Paul Haggis’s downfall. Like Leah Remini, if you don’t toe the line, you are ‘counter intentioned’ and sent to the sec check line. One has to wonder how much time COB puts into listening to Travolta or Cruises ‘auditing’ sessions. Or any of the other clebs or whales. ‘Privacy’ does not exist in the clampire.

  • Draco

    Great article. Inside, it is as he says. Even if you aren’t out there converting people or on course or having auditing every day, those core beliefs are strong and very sincere. And when you wake up and look properly, the WTF factor is almost overwhelming. Still gets to me, even with everything I know. And like Paul, I spent most of my adult life, wasting time with this. Pisses me off!

  • Sid

    “I thought the OT levels madness”

    I think that to some degree OT levels can cause a bit of madness. I always felt worse after each OT level. When I expressed my discomfort I was told the next level would handle that. Even feeling bad after a level I was told to stand in front of the a crowd and tell my wins. I really didn’t have any. I just said, “well, I blew a lot of charge on this level”.

    But as far as madness and sanity goes you are basically talking to ‘beings’ who aren’t there. Imaginary friends. If you see someone walking down the street talking to nobody and having a conversation with his imaginary demons you’d think he/she was a bit crazy. Auditing on the OT levels gets you to do this as a regular thing. If you do this in auditing over and over, year after year, I believe it can make some a bit crazy.

    • Betsy

      In Nancy Many’s book she indicates that her breakdown was at least partly caused by the OT materials. And I think some of the people she later talked to had the same problem. And of course the solution that was offered to her was searching for body thetans.

      • Sid

        I’ve known numerous people who I considered got worse after OT levels.

      • Billy Bob

        Didn’t Jason Beghe say that when doing the OT levels he felt worse and worse?

        • Mymy88

          I remember he said that the “L”s was what f’ed him up more than anything. I don’t know what the “L”‘s are but I remember him saying that.

      • Dave Braverman reported serious mental disturbances after doing OTIII

        Conversely, John Duignan went psychotic shortly after starting the introductionary stuff.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        And in the movie Jason Beghe said the auditing really messed with his mind – he tired to walk away from it but they wouldn’t let him stop auditing, and it really f’ed him up.

    • Snake Plissken

      Well I wouldn’t exactly call traveling from California to Texas to stalk someone with cameras strapped to your head and wearing squirrel busters shirts … the picture of good mental health.

      http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/SquirrelTech.jpg

      From the time of the inception of this idiotic scheme, to the time it was actually carried out, there was not a single person around lucid minded enough to say “Hey guys I don’t think this is a good idea”

      And you know why here was not a single person lucid minded enough to say “Hey guys I don’t think this is a good idea”? It’s because there were only OTs involved.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        What’s not a good idea, for a scientologist, is NOT doing what Davey tells you to do.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist
      • Sid

        Haa. Perfect.

    • Lurkness

      You were not alone, so did Hana Eltringham. From Tony’s post a few days ago:

      “Increasingly, however, she had trouble with headaches and she had, as she says in the film, real problems with OT 3 and the subsequent upper levels that were about removing “body thetans” (invisible alien soul-entities) through auditing. In 1979, the needle on the e-meter during one of her sessions displayed what was known as a “rock slam” — a sudden left-right slashing motion which supposedly indicates “evil intent.” So she was assigned to the Sea Org’s prison detail, the Rehabilitation Project Force, which was housed in the Fort Harrison Hotel’s parking garage — and she was stuck there for a full year. Still, she stayed in the Sea Org for a few more years before she finally left for good in 1982.”

      There are also some videos out there where she speaks of her OT experience. She thought it was crazy at first, but accepted it because it was from good ‘ol Source hisself.

    • Mark Foster

      Sid, I like the understatement: ¨I believe it can make some a bit crazy¨ . I mean, a fucking e-meter identifies ¨mental mass¨ and ¨dates and locates incidents on the whole track¨ ? What a mind-rape, eh? And then one uses this ¨tool ¨ to ¨audit BT´s¨ . Huh? It´s not ¨charge¨ getting ¨blown¨ on those ¨levels¨ , it´s sanity and dignity and identity getting scrambled, perverted, and erased. Glad you got out!!!

      • Sid

        I’m glad I got out too. And with at least part of my sanity intact.

  • nottrue
    • Matt in Atlanta

      LRH. Liar and wife beater….

    • Lucille Austero

      Great interview!

    • Allie

      Excellent interview. The interviewer seems knowledgeable about Scientology, asks great questions, and Gibney is articulate as always.

      • D.Y.G.

        That was good stuff! I could listen to Alex Gibney all day. Chris Hayes is, like our Proprietor, a real journalist. He was a writer first, then an editor, at The Nation before getting his current gig. He does his homework and definitely isn’t just another TV talking head.

    • Toni m

      Thank you.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Good job, rapid fire, covering a lot of ground. Got all the bullet points in there. Gah – Sea Org as clergy – don’t know of any that would say they ever thought of themselves as clergy. If I absolutely had to stick with a religious theme, false as it is, the auditors would be considered more in a clergy light. Sea Org – management, faux military style.

      I’m glad to hear Miscavige’s PR about “The 25” being talked about, exposed, and explained. Good for the public, as well as the scientologists lurking.

      • Scream Nevermore

        I’d say the Sea Org are more like the Jesuit’s – the Pope’s Brute Squad. Except that Jesuits are very well educated and actually ARE clergy.

  • Tony DePhillips

    Amazing article!! Don’t mess with an Oscar winner.

    • Snake Plissken

      I’m sure the cult will get all none of it’s Oscar Winning Actors to dispute what Paul Haggis wrote.

      • i-Betty

        Snort!

  • TonyOrtega

    For those who missed the WBAI show last night, we’ve added a link to the story.

    • Toni m

      I hope you ad the one from today. Thank you.

  • cdub

    That’s a beautiful piece by Paul Haggis.

  • Ben Franklin

    It is a miracle for any Scientologist to go all the way to OT level VIII without losing their mind in the process.

  • Shanester

    Paul Haggis is a wonderful writer. Wise, thoughtful and generous, his words stand in direct contrast to the cartoonish skullduggery of David Miscavige on display in yesterday’s story. Even in contrast to the wildly uneven output of L. Ron Hubbard (a criticism also leveled on occasion to Mr. Haggis’ work) Haggis comes out the winner, not only because he is so obviously the superior writer, but also because he is more honest. Both men could be considered experts in inventing fictional stories out of whole cloth, but there is yawning gulf between the one who happily owns up to his fictive diversions while the other one spent a lifetime insisting his fantasies were real.

    Like Paul Haggis, I sure hope Going Clear is the first crack that lets the light slip in to my friends and former friends in the cult (and thanks for the Leonard Cohen reference, Paul!). I remember my journey out of the cult that began twenty years ago. It was a long process for me – but even back then I knew something wasn’t right as I began drifting away. If there had been something like Going Clear back then, I feel reasonably confident that I would have watched it, even in secret. But there was nothing in 1994 (except for the Time Magazine article which I did skim over, yet my mind had been so poisoned against Henry Luce’s Nazi psychiatric mouthpiece that it unfortunately had little impact). A lucky few had discovered an internet thingy called UseNet with a chat room called alt.religion.scientology, but such technological wonders were many years in the future for me.

    You can see the cult doing its damnedest to poison its membership against HBO, similar to how I was poisoned against Time Magazine, yet calling HBO a psych media tool just sounds so hollow in 2015. I have to remind myself that all the attack ads are not meant for you and me; they are meant for the last of the true believers as David Miscavige desperately circles the wagons around the shrunken core of his cash cow.

    I’m filled with hope that the time has come, the tipping point, the critical mass – whatever you want to call it. I can feel it. It’s different this time. The facade is slipping away and the true, rotten core of the cult is irreducibly exposed at last.

  • Matt in Atlanta

    Other than the smear campaign done by the C of S do any of you think they will roll out a celeb to refute claims made in the documentary?

    • AsSeenOnOkra

      Seems like the celebs are on serious lock down mode. Silent running. Except for that Masterson ding dong, but he’s not really famous.

      • sumertin

        And that’s the smart move. Any celeb reaction becomes an instant headline, drawing more attention to the film. We should expect radio silence for the foreseeable future.

        But then I hope the press starts HOUNDING them. That’s what called for.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Maybe the question is, will Miscavige allow the celebs to watch this movie so they can hop on the media blitz with their “review”? And then, are they going to call Paul Haggis, Hana, Larry Wright, Alex Gibney, and mothers trying to protect their children – are they actually going to call them All liars – on the record?

      They may care for no one but themselves, but that would include their careers.

    • To refute something, they’d have to provide proof that it was wrong or a rational counter-argument. They’d at least have to discuss it–which would be awkward without watching it. Saying “No it isn’t!” then “LOOK OVER THERE AT WHAT HORRIBLE PEOPLE THEY ARE!” is distraction, not refutation.

      Refute has been watered down by lazy writers, but it still means more than just denying, objecting or disputing.

    • “Do I look brainwashed to you?”

      • Draco

        Just a bit…

        • Ok, I was asking for it… 🙂

        • Mymy88

          HOW DARE YOU! (snicker)

    • They don’t have one who’s capable of making any sense to the broad public.

  • Jefferson Hawkins

    “Questioning anything means questioning everything.” So true. If you can get a Scientologist to question anything, then it all starts to unravel like an old sweater. It may take time, but the whole system starts to come apart. Hopefully Going Clear will be that first loose thread for many.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      So true – it only takes the first one thread. It’s scary knowing that you’ll have to stand on your own two feet again, on your own, not supported by The Others. Although, once you even allow That thought in, the process has begun.

      http://i.imgur.com/ju0iV15.jpg?1

    • Draco

      Yes. Just one little niggle can do it. It tends to sit there and do what niggles do – niggle. And eventually you have to look at it. Once you do that, another niggle pops up and before you know it, you have spent the whole night clicking on links.

  • I’d like to know who my friend Paul thinks are damn smart people among those left in $cientology. It’s not the actors – Cruise, Travolta (I don’t care if he can fly planes), Elfman, Archer, Alley, Cartwright, both Lewis. They’re not that bright. Writers who formed a writers club with us? Jeff (Maurer) Scott, Michael Maurer? Their grandpa Mo Howard was a lot brighter. Caring? I think Paul’s kidding himself. They care about things that they think are in the grand “$cientologists are saving mankind!” tradition, like Volunteer Ministers who no one can stand having around tragedy scenes. Here’s an example from the 80s. I was dating someone and we went to a party – she was invited by Debbie Rennard, who was later married to Paul. At the time, Debbie was living with acting teacher Milton Katselas. I already knew Debbie, but she proceeded to try to set up my girlriend with actor Jeffrey Tambor, right in front of me. Paul’s divorced from Debbie now, so maybe he finally saw some of the hard cold you know what that I knew, but I quit kidding myself a long time ago about people I left behind in $cientology. If they’re still in, they often have some deep, mean psychosis to them.

    • i-Betty

      There are more than ‘celebrities’ remaining, Skip. Could Paul be talking about normal people? Normal smart, kind people.

      • I doubt it. He hung with the celeb crowd in the cult when I knew him. But – and bully for him – he spent as much time with very successful showbiz folks who weren’t involved. And that probably made all the difference. As for “normal, smart people” – not in $cientology.

        • i-Betty

          His auditor wouldn’t have been a celebrity.

          • Are you dumb enough to think if someone is an auditor – even an “indie” – they’re smart? They’re IDIOTS. They’re forwarding the crap of an evil man who wanted to be Satan and take over the world.

            • One Human

              Easy Skip, I-Betty’s one of the good people.

            • Kim O’Brien

              everyone was stupid and evil and shallow and horrible ..except for Skip of course

            • *snigger*

            • Fuck off, Nancy Nice.

            • One Human

              Stuck in an electronic incident Skip?
              Fucking lighten up Skip.

            • cathy from encino

              Charming as always.

            • i-Betty

              How extraordinarily rude. No, is the answer. But I’m sensible enough to think that Paul probably knows what he is talking about when describing his own experiences.

            • And I said I’d like to know who those people are – he didn’t mention them. And for the record, I don’t give a flying fuck who thinks I’m rude, such as chickenshit attack artists like Kim O’Crien or cathy the real estate agent. Being nicey-nicey kept too many people in $cientology when it was obvious Elwrong was batshit crazy.

            • Missionary Kid

              Skip, you’re usually a bright, funny guy, and I’m glad that you’re out, but I’m going to point out some things that, to me, a mere critic seem to have stuck to you after you left $cientology.

              First, you seem to go off on women. Did some of the $cientolgy misogynistic attitudes get attached to your mind like the mythological thetans?

              Second, you seem to take on an almost Tom Cruise like attitude at times when addressing people who have never been in. You might as well have said, “You don’t know the history of auditors, I know know the history of auditors.” The way in which you addressed i-Betty, to me, smacks of $cientology arrogance.

              You then descend into ad hominem attacks, another $cientology characteristic.

              You can reply like a $cientologist, like you once were, or you can reply like a human being who’s really cast off the shackles of $cientology, and not be rude. If you really want to clear the planet of $cientology, you’re going to need all the allies you can get.

              Please stop acting like one.

            • One Human

              DING DING DING DING DING!!!
              We have a winner!

            • Missionary Kid

              I just did the worst thing one can do to an ex: I accused them of $cientology-like behavior.
              If he wants to respond with an ad hominem attack, it will illustrate my point.

              If he wants to discuss what I’ve said, then possibly, he truly has left it all behind.

            • One Human

              Yes, it’s a rough statement, but it crossed my mind, and you used it sparingly, as a last resort, and with thoughtfulness.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. I don’t like to make enemies, but I consider the Bunker a family, and I don’t like seeing people who have worked to bring down $cientology treated poorly, especially by another Bunkeroo.

              Tony has lowered the banhammer on people for personal attacks before. Skip’s attacks don’t reach that level, but his postings are rude.

            • One Human

              Agreed.
              The environment here is like none other I have seen on the web, and that’s a very good thing.
              Thank you for bringing your perspective, joy, and intellect to this place regularly.
              I am honored to be involved in the great conversations with so many bright people.

            • Missionary Kid

              Tony has set the tone, and we pretty well adhere to it.

            • beauty for ashes

              It seems like Skip still struggling with an extremely urgent sense of frustration he’s trying to make the best sense of.
              That being said, a lot of really offensive stuff has been coming out of his mouth lately, so I appreciate your intentions. Of course maybe I am too *Nicey nice like I-Betty*, but I’d rather err on the side of compassion.

            • Dale A.

              Note to self; don’t respond to angry people.

            • Baby

              You owe i-Betty an apology.. Period. That was RUDE and DISRESPECTFUL. She works hard as a critic and for you to call her dumb is absolutely appalling.

            • Kiss my ass, anonymi.

        • One Human

          I think we are waiting for some of the normal, smart people to blow.
          Who knows who the next Chris Shelton, Jason Beghe, Paul Haggis, Tory Christman, or Derek Bloch will be.

          • i-Betty

            Lovely 🙂

    • sumertin

      I have to agree on one point. While I understand how a highly intelligent person can be ensnared in groups like these, I do not accept that a person who remains loyal to Scientology in the year 2015 is a highly intelligent person.

      The only exception would be someone would knows of the cult’s ills but continues to toe the line in order to avoid the devastating consequences of “apostasy,” be it disconnection, exposure of confessions, etc.
      But in these cases, the person is not actually “loyal to Scientology,” they are not believers, they have instead made a calculated decision that feigning support is the wiser course of action.

      But those who cannot entertain even the smallest criticism or doubt, and who refuse to look at evidence, and have abandoned critical thought in favor of blind faith, and who truly believe that only Scientology can save the world — are not highly intelligent. Fanatics are not highly intelligent people.

  • Richard

    I passed by Padova Org this morning and there were quite a few cars parked outside. However, there were even more pigeons parked on the roof. Maybe they were doing TR3 “Do birds fly?”

    • Observer

      Maybe they were there to poop-bomb the parked cars.

      • One Human

        Where is Mr. Cardone when you need him?

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I went by a mission today that is listed on the website. Empty suite upstairs from a real low-life place. Junk – debris etc – and a pile of mail on the floor. Not clear when they left. A little sign is still behind glass downstairs. I wonder how many missions and orgs are actually vacant (not just missing people, but actually empty, no furniture, nothing).

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Take five and Red-X:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    You will need more than a box to stand on after Sunday, DM.
    The Sinking of the Thetanic.
    TICK TOCK

    • Matt in Atlanta

      L0L. In the picture with Hubbard and Miscavige manning their cameras is a guy in a blue t shirt pulling focus for DM. His Name is Marcus Swenson (Spelling?) I believe. He blew long ago.

      • Dr_Orpheus

        How many in that photo never became SPs, I wonder?

    • Pierrot

      50+ ads this morning, Boston is spamming again!
      They noses are firmly kept on the grinding stone & the hamster wheels are spinning full speed, they are being kept far away from the entheta!

    • Scream Nevermore

      Driving on the motorway yesterday, I saw 2 messages flashed on the message boards above me: ‘Obey the Red X’, and ‘Red X is Mandatory’. Had to explain to my parents why that made me laugh!

    • Couch_Incident

      “Use the Box, Luke. Let go, Luke. Luke, trust me”

  • i-Betty

    The WBAI radio host has such a lovely, chilled-out voice. I’m going to enjoy this 🙂

  • Sejanus

    Wonderful words from Paul.
    Articulate, well presented and thoughtful also compassionate.
    His words are everything $cientology attack ads are not.
    Simply the mere fact that here we have a…ahem…”church” that actively, publically, lyingingly goes after former members with trumped up accusations all the way to outright lies says so very much.

    A childish, immature, hateful organization that sprang forth from the muddled mind of a lunatic, now run by a maniac that has enormous financial resources to throw away in a bid to redirect eyes away from its..and his….misdeeds.
    Says a lot about them….and none of it is good.

  • What do 50,000 TV’s look like watching GOING CLEAR? No need to ask, here they are!

    https://youtu.be/vpWA9YQ8Uas

    • Sideliner1

      BECAUSE THE OTHER 10,000,000 WON’T FIT IN THE PICTURE!!
      (Cap tech in heavy use)

    • madame duran

      Love your choices for background music. The visual trumps any of Scientology’s useless “expansion” graphs.
      Remember, Davey…those TV screens are just in the U.S. alone (and will keep growing). There’s a whole world out there waiting to see it. 2015 is slated to kick your backside so hard.

    • shasha40

      That scared me and made me happy at the same time . Tick, tock , tiny member . That was awesome ,AGP .

    • sumertin

      I recognized the “Mind Control Made Easy” music but where did you get that theremin version of Over The Rainbow?!!!
      I know Gibney used a lot of eerie theremin sounds but I don’t remember Over The Rainbow being in the film. Where did you find that??? I love it.

      I want that as a ringtone!

    • Mymy88

      I love it. Thank you for all your hard work, and also for all the laughs. Your videos crack me up.

      ETA: Oh, I forgot to say that I thought that touch with ‘the birds’ ominously squawking was genius!

  • Jak Crow

    I’ve never understood how people could follow a “religion” created by a science fiction hack on a bet.

    • One Human

      Too many knew / know nothing of these details, especially the bet.

    • generic sock account

      Well at least now we can “follow” it go down the shitter.

    • Hamtaro

      You don’t understand because you’re a sea otter and the ways of the homo sapien are unfamiliar to you.

      • Jak Crow

        But my tummy is so fluffy.

    • Ben Franklin

      All religions have things that are appealing to certain people. One can start a religion literaly on anything, and they would have followers

      • generic sock account

        What if I started a religion based on excluding others from my religion and I didn’t tell anyone about it? Kinda blows your theory right out of the water*. But thanks for giving me a speaking point for next week’s sermon.

        *Holy

        • Ben Franklin

          You totally lost me there. What you just said doesn’t make any sense to me at all.

          • flyonthewall

            They speak english in What!?

          • generic sock account

            That’s partly why you would not be welcome in my religion. But there are others out there for you. Try Twitter.

            • Ben Franklin

              what you are talking about is hypothetical not based on reality.

              ETA: Are you talking about a one man’s secret religion? If that is the case, can we still call it a religion?

          • Mockingbird

            It makes sense – I used to be doubtful of any woman who was attracted to me as I thought it showed poor judgement !!! I got over it !!

          • pluvo

            He is basing it on this quote, IMO:

            “I’d never join a club that would allow a person like me to become a member.”


            Woody Allen
            The paradox is the punchline

            • Robert Eckert

              Groucho Marx, actually.

        • Science Doc

          I would never join a religion that would accept me. What do you think about that?

          • Just a Guest

            Really?
            It looks like you have already done that.

          • generic sock account

            Pardon? You completely lost me there.

          • Captain MustSavage

            I see what you did there.

    • Graham

      Says as much about you as it does about them?

      • Jak Crow

        Pretty sure it doesn’t.

        • Graham

          Self-awareness not your strong point then?

          • Jak Crow

            Because I don’t care about a faux-religion? Try again.

    • They don’t. That’s one the of the fascinating things about Scientology. Due to the secrecy ingrained into the organisation most members are unaware of the most crazy SF derived elements.

      Recruits were historically drawn in by real, apparently sympathetic people who promised to improve their life, and offered them a place in an apparently friendly people apparently engaged in a worthwhile mission.

      At the point of recruitment ‘religious doctrine’ is not mentioned at all – Scientology recruiters cannot do this. Not only are they forbidden to research ‘levels’ of teaching that are higher than those they have achieved, a policy regarding ‘Verbal Tech’ forbids them from discussing their own beliefs with each other.

      Most recruits leave after the first course (which involves staring at another student for hours on end – a practice which often induces hallucinations). Other recruits, for various reasons, find something attractive in the social environment and their experience of ‘training’ which encourages them to go on.

      Nobody finds out about the ‘Space Opera’ stuff until they are ‘advanced students’ – by which time the sceptics have been filtered out and a variety of powerful social pressures have been exerted upon the member. The overwhelming majority of Scientologists are (officially) unaware of the OT3 ‘Xenu’ story, which is so often used to ridicule them.

      By the time you get to this point, you have a lot to lose (including your friends and family, thanks to the policy of ‘disconnection’).

      Finally, I have tried to track down that story – about starting a religion on a bet. It has many sources, none of which admit to good confirmation. I have put it down to a sort of urban myth, possibly encouraged by Hubbard who would have liked people to believe that he was the sort of person who could do such a thing.

    • Mockingbird

      Scientology is NOT a religion – every time it is called that helps the cult confuse people by propaganda by reversal of definition !!! http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/03/propaganda-by-reversal-of-meaning-in.html

      I see many reversals as subtle tools Hubbard used to confuse then fool people . There are no clears , the “elite” Sea Org are actually the lowest slaves in Hubbard’s caste system – there are many examples “reasonable ” etc. etc.

      • One Human

        Thank you Mockingbird, I still let that one slide by too easily.

      • Almost uniquely, there is good documentary evidence that Hubbard only transformed Scientology into a faux religion for tax purposes.

        Dianetics and Scientology was initially presented to the public as a rigorous science. Even their founder privately denied it was a religion, and made it clear to members that the religious trappings were not to be taken seriously.

      • sumertin

        Cults and Religions are definitely NOT opposites. I don’t want to get bogged down in definitions but there are all sorts of groups and gangs and clubs and crowds and crews and congregations… And their true aims and the degree of control over their members can vary widely.

        The precise definitions are open to interpretation, but I absolutely agree that Scientology is not a religion. At its core it’s a cleverly cloaked corporation.

        • mockingbird

          It includes religions and cults as does Christianity . The totalistic control and abuse mark a cult from another group . Islam includes over a billion members . They like Christians have both within them . The worship of Allah or Christ or the flying spaghetti monster or no God is not what makes a cult – totalism is the key factor . Cults are abusive relationships spread over groups , they have distinct qualities identified by Lifton and Hassan and Singer . That is further defined in theories on traumatic narcissism and totalistic identity theory . If a group takes over all or nearly all your decision making it is a cult . If it requires you to submit so much you become a mental pseudo clone of a founder or leader or even fictional identity it is a cult .

      • Jak Crow

        “religion” implies air quotes i.e. sarcasm.

    • TonyOrtega

      The bet is apocryphal. Might want to read more before accusing people of things.

      • Jak Crow

        How about “I’ve never understood how people could follow a “religion” created by a science fiction hack as the basis of a pyramid marketing scheme”? Better?

    • Dale A.

      Do the work. Understanding will follow.

      • Jak Crow

        I understand that scientology is a scam at best and a cult at worst, but thanks.

  • I can’t recall who posted the video of their visit to the Scientology printing building in Commerce, CA a while back. Does anyone remember. I’m an idiot and I forgot to favorite the video on YouTube.

  • nottrue
    • shasha40

      Oh yeah, oh yeah ! 🙂

  • Hayley Murfin

    Paul clearly truly understands the nature of the trap- but even if a scientologist read this superb piece, the denial would still be there. What can you do against such reckless enforced ignorance ? Shine a light- lead those who really want to be able to face the truth- but are still afraid- towards the exit door. Paul Haggis has a greater understanding of what scientology is than the majority of those still in there.

  • Newiga

    What an excellent write-up by Mr. Haggis. Too many to-the-nail points to list them all here but I think my favorite was “Questioning anything means questioning everything.”

    Also, Mr. Ortega, I thoroughly enjoyed the interview you did for the WBAI radio show. As eloquent as ever. Thank you!

  • Just a Guest

    Paul’s sister looks much more honest and truthful than him.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      Bill ?

      • Just a Guest

        I don’t know, I don’t remember her name.

        • Lucille Austero

          Hey there JaG, take a look at Observer’s post above. Whadaya think?

          • Just a Guest

            I’m too lazy to refresh this page.

            • Lucille Austero

              Marco! It is you! How are you today?

            • Observer

              Not very able, apparently.

            • Just a Guest

              Apparently.

            • Lucille Austero

              You are not very entertaining today. Is someone verifying your work at $cientology Corporate Smear Headquarters? Are they all busy f**king up Twitter and don’t have time to help you? I have to say, Marco, I’m more than a little disappointed in the $cibot Interwebz Confront & Shatter Initiative.

    • Lucille Austero

      Marco?

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        HAHAHA

      • Just a Guest

        Sorry, but I don remember her name.

        • Lucille Austero

          *chokes back laughter*

          • Observer

            So much for Scientology enhancing memory and IQ …

      • Tony Ortega

        Yeah, it’s Marco

      • Draco

        Polo!

        • dungeon master

          Genius works in like minds! I’ve been sitting on my hands trying not to type ‘Polo!’ Lololol

    • MaxSpaceman

      Honest like this’n ?

    • Lucille Austero

      Have you been reading that reprehensible rag, Freedom Mag? That stuff’ll warp your mind, know what I mean?

    • Scream Nevermore

      Like Miscavige and his sister??

      • Just a Guest

        Much more that them

        • Lucille Austero

          Much more what thaN whom?

          • Just a Guest

            ThaN them.

            • Lucille Austero

              Hey, Marco. Are you gonna be able to watch the HBO documentary Going Clear on HBO at 8pm March 29? Oh. I think you are out of the country, aren’t you? Are you sorry you won’t be able to see it?

            • Vaquera

              Did you say that HBO is premiering the Scientology documentary Going Clear this Sunday, March 29th, at 8:00 p.m.?

            • Lucille Austero

              Why, yes, I believe that is exactly what I said. Sunday March 29 at 8pm. Going Clear.

            • One Human

              On HBO right?

            • Lucille Austero

              Yes, OH, I believe that is correct. HBO. Sunday March 29 at 8pm. Going Clear. On Home Box Office.

            • One Human

              And it’s still at the Arclight too?

            • Vaquera

              Great! I’m setting my DVR to record it while I watch Going Clear at 8:00 pm this Sunday, May 29th, on HBO!

      • dungeon master

        Yeah, I’d say Dave’s sister looks more honest than him..

    • Captain MustSavage

      According to who?

    • nottrue

      I think you need new glasses…..

    • madame duran

      Looking honest and BEING honest are two completely different things. Since you are bent on the superficial, I must ask you this: why do Scientologists revere a liver-lipped, fat toad of a man as being “mankind’s greatest friend”? He brings a new definition to “fugly”.

    • kemist

      Oh hai, marco.

      What happened ? Your boss finally noticed all those letters to HBO made you look even moar nucking futs so it’s back to the fringes of the internets ?

      We missed you guys.

      • Lucille Austero

        *snort*

    • pluvo

      Are you still in the Sea Org or are you Public now?

      • Just a Guest

        Hi pluvo. maybe we know each other. we used to have the same seniors.

        • pluvo

          Who?

          • Just a Guest

            Well…let’s get the bigger ones like ‘Napier’ and Weber…

            • pluvo

              Not bad. But that is not difficult to guess from my comments. So, are you Public now?

    • sumertin

      And you don’t find it despicable that a woman was coerced into filming a scripted attack piece against her own brother, who I’m sure she still loves deeply?
      Do you not think that was a terribly painful experience for her?

      And ironically, the video actually pays Paul many compliments. She essentially says Paul is an amazingly talented and charming guy, a great networker, and played the Hollywood game perfectly.
      I could see right through her in that video. She loves Paul very much and thinks the world of him.

    • Mrs. V.

      I have a sincere question for you, and I promise I’m not trying to be antagonistic: what is the outcome you hope to have by making this statement? What is your purpose for posting comments like this here?

    • dilladop

      I’m just glad you frequent The Bunker. Keep reading. It has to help you leave. The truth will set you free.

    • Sid

      That’s so cool that you know Paul’s sister and have been able to confirm the truthfulness of her statements (whatever they are). It’s refreshing to hear that there is an honest Scientologist. Most Scientologists lie to other Scientologists, to the outside world, and also sadly mostly to themselves.

    • Billy Bob

      That’s not my impression.

  • Observer

    Seems appropriate …

    refresh

    • shasha40

      I concur !

  • Bob Crouch

    Quote: “Somehow Scientologists are able to accept those incongruous and contradictory thoughts. For example, they truly believe that only Scientology can save the world, and that they are making major strides in this direction every year. They hold onto this belief despite the fact that there isn’t even a modicum of evidence that they are having even the tiniest impact on any problem in any part of the globe.”

    Here’s one that I don’t understand. This is a GENUINE question, not some smug remark: Many scn attest to how they joined either scn or even the Sea Org for humanitarian reasons, i.e. to “clear the planet.” Let’s make the very generous concession that the planet needs clearing and that scn has the answers to do so.

    However, given the extraordinary cost of scn, how can “planetary clearing” POSSIBLY EVER reach an appreciable part of humanity. Even in places like N America and some of Asia/Europe, only a small minority of the population can pay $100s of thousands to even just clear THEMSELVES, let alone help someone else.

    With entire continents, countries and large segments of even the wealthiest nations out of the running, how can an idealistic scn expect that their “religion” will find even minimal traction? Now or ever?

    I’d love to hear from those who have been in how scn tries to answer this question.

    • Captain MustSavage

      I’m a non scieno but my sense about their logic is that the whole planet could be cleared if people all joined the sea org. You don’t need money for that and theoretically at least, you could still go up the bridge while saving the planet.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      OSA has two main jobs, one being the dirty tricks, fair game department. The other is their PR, promotion, which is used to persuade anyone on the outside that scientology has all these front groups (which are under OSA as PR tools) that do all these humanitarian works. There is also promotion that is distributed to the members, both public and staff internally.

      OSA uses surveys to find out what people in various areas are having a problem with and positions their pieces to show how scientologists are handling that problem and how. Internally, staff are presented with success stories, magazines, and other promotional materials based on entirely different surveys. When someone in auditing or training or ethics is all blown out, they physically bring that person to staff musters. Those were the Most effective.

      The events used to be, and to some degree still are, evidence of all the good works being done. The humanitarian awards were for those who went to Haiti, for example, to help the orphanages and then create schools and help tutor the parents so they could get a job or figure out better ways of farming. You are inundated with “news” – much like in “1984”. The front group lies are perhaps the most insidious betrayal. There doesn’t seem to be any efforts for many years now to try and fool the general non member public at all anymore. In fact, it’s now narrowed down to manipulating only the whales. Do this help?

    • Scientology and Scientologists do not try to answer that question. The whole point of Scientology is that you just don’t ask questions like that. You just hand over your money and you trust that the leader has it all figured out and that you don’t have to concern yourself with problems like that.

    • Mockingbird

      You have to understand trance logic and submission to the will of another as a victim of severe abuse to understand the way Scientologists cope with contradictory evidence . They use denial , dissociation and other psychological defense mechanisms unknowingly automatically . That is why it is so hard to get through to them – it is intentional on Hubbard’s part to permanently enslave them until death . He wanted his personality to eclipse their own as a mental pseudo clone . This is explained in totalistic identity theory – don’t you remember that from grade school ?

    • joe

      The stock answer has always been that Scn makes the able more able. Therefore the cost doesnt stop you. I’ve always known I was being lied to and the cash grab was senior to “clearing the planet” but learned not to say it to others. I am pretty sure I did voice my doubts when I first became involved, bust was quickly shut up. Eventually the thought left the front of my mind but remained in the back.

    • Billy Bob

      Never-in, I heard tell, 45 years ago, that an auditor who tried to do dianetics outside the mission was caught and declared as a squirrel. Those in can confirm or dismiss.

  • ze moo

    Totally off the subject, but remember the kittens and puppies and wounded warriors at

    http://www.milner.com/jumpstart/jumpstart-tampa

    • Lucille Austero

      Done! Thanks, Ze 🙂

      • Mockingbird

        I love Arrested Development !!! thank you so much !!!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      thanks.

    • aquaclara

      Thank you. The humane Society could use a few more votes. They both have my vote. Nice reminder about an important set of organizations.

  • Simi Valley

    There’s a nice selection of Alex Gibney films on Netflix streaming … been sampling a few. Not a bad consolation prize for having to wait 5 1/2 more days for the big one.

    • Dale A.

      I couldn’t watch Taxi to the Dark Side. It was too painful and close to home. I watched Mea Maxima Culpa and was stunned. I though I knew about molestation in the Catholic church. I guess I didn’t. The Armstrong Lie is easier on the stomach.

      • Simi Valley

        I didn’t get around to those. Been watching the Enron one and the Noo Yawk ones re Park Ave. and Eliot Spitzer.

        • Dale A.

          The Eliot Spitzer was pretty good, but lighter material. I think the first 2 that I mentioned are on DVD only. Be prepared…

          • Robert Eckert

            Gibney has quite the body of work when “meh, just a prosecutor/governor blackmailing some hookers for special favors” is his “lighter material”.

            • Dale A.

              No kidding! What was interesting though, was his additional focus on the political context around the story, which I had never heard about nor thought about.

            • Robert Eckert

              He’s never satisfied with telling “what happened?” He wants to get at “why did this happen? how did this work?”

  • nottrue
    • This might be a bit forward, but do you want to go visit that Commerce Bridge Pubs building again together?

      • nottrue

        I had a few strange things happen after that visit so I’ll pass this time. I don’t want my family bothered

  • I figured out a way to find where David Miscavige is hiding at any time, at least on the west coast. Just follow the Santa Monica Seafood delivery truck. At the 5:20 mark:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibE0XIF7ozQ

  • Okay I am going to try one more time with more info.. I was digging through my YouTube history and my favorites lists and I couldn’t find the video that someone posted from when they visited the Bridge Publications/Scientology building located on Olympic Blvd in Commerce, CA. The security guard who comes out to visit in that video is my little brother. I wanted to watch it because I’m debating going over there and seeing if I can draw him out.

    So I was just wondering if anyone has seen that video recently or knows the person who posted it? I’m assuming I forgot to favorite it, but it’s possible that it was deleted (hope not).

  • Just a Guest

    sorry if this should have been posted yesterday. But eih…I have a life too.
    Did you know that LRH had also complained about Mike Rinder?

    In 1984, when Rinder was responsible for the management of the SO orgs sector (Advanced Orgs and Saint Hills), LRH was evaluating the SO sector and found Mike Rinder to be at the bottom of all trouble. LRH found that Rinder was actively sabotaging and preventing public from moving up the Bridge by false reporting, stat-pushing and ordering illegal and off-policy personnel moves.
    Between February and March 1984, LRH wrote the following about Mike Rinder:

    “Currently we have a situation with Mike Rinder over SO who is currently under Comm Ev for disguising this scene. He has undoubtedly been false reporting.” — LRH

    “On Rinder… He falls in the category of covering up his misdeeds – call it PR or whatever you will – and you can go on pulling these overts and withholds for a long time without actually uncovering the real evil purposes which underlie them… start digging for evil purposes.” –LRH

    “For example, an unsuspected Mike Rinder on post perverting SO Int intentions then permitted SO orgs to all but disintegrate. Although his behavior pattern has been established no one hasgotten down to the evil purpose prompting this.” – LRH

    “It looks to me like the … member that wasin charge of the SO actively sabotaged your program. Mike Rinder wanders on and off my lines. He is a typical yo-yo. I trust for a change somebody, will get down to his evil purposes” – LRH

    Interesting isn’t it?

    • Observer

      You know what else is interesting? Ron had a history, a long history, of accusing people of things that he himself was doing. Here are a few examples:

    • One Human

      Hmm, quite; Ron finding the 3rd party, and yet Mike continued to climb within C of S.
      More reason to like Mike Rinder.

    • Lucille Austero

      “LRH found.” Don’t you mean “The giant cyst found?” I bet that cyst wrote lots of stuff. All the time.

      • Mark Foster

        Ah yes, the Cyst, straight from: The 2nd Annual Exploding Cyst Lectures Series, Volume 6, Chapter 47.
        The title is ¨The Persistence of Literary Smegma on The Whole Track and its Usefulness
        as A Basis For Poppycock Cult Mind-Fuck Processes.¨ The lecture is 40 days long. Recorded And Produced by Golden Shower Productions.

    • pluvo

      Who cares? You are tattling to the wrong public. Hubbard is not the authority here like he is for you.
      Are you still in the Sea Org or are you Public now?

    • Pepsicat

      No.

    • Mrs. V.

      What is the expected outcome of this post here? What do you expect to accomplish?

      • Observer

        It’s one of the most misguided dead agenting attempts I’ve ever seen. The fact that Ron didn’t like or trust Mike Rinder just makes Mike look better and better.

        • Pepsicat

          True dat.

        • Mrs. V.

          I agree 100%. But I’m truly curious as to what his/her reasoning is for posting it. I’m also pretty certain I won’t get a response.

          • Observer

            And if you do it won’t address your question.

            • Mrs. V.

              Yep. But I thought I’d give it a try. I find people’s motivations very interesting.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Is it Thursday yet?

            • Mrs. V.

              Every day is like Thursday.

          • dungeon master

            I’m pretty sure he thinks ROFL means enturbulate..

        • Newiga

          Agreed! Although, I think these supposed LRH statements are BS the troll dreamed up. If I’m wrong, please correct me.

          Ps. “Newiga is hereby named the Queen of spaghetti.” – LRH

          • Observer

            I’m pretty sure you’re right.

        • L. C. Spencer

          It’s the first time a troll actually made me giggle.

    • Science Doc

      I thought you had to be COB to make up shit about Ron. You are a squirrel. Go to ethics.

    • “Did you know that LRH had also complained about Mike Rinder?”

      You are trying to get traction with us by quoting LRH?

      http://media.giphy.com/media/133744J47YKQCc/giphy.gif

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      Then why was he the Chief spokesman and Executive Director when he escaped out of Scientology and from the Hole. He is on the BBC Documentary in that position.and you can tell by how he looks he was being starved.

    • squirrel

      LRH would never file a false complaint. Thanks for setting me straight.

    • Lucille Austero

      “On Marco…he falls in the category of interweb f**ckuppery – call it PR or whatever you will.” –LRH’s Big Giant Forehead Cyst

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That’s just silly. It was all My fault in 1984. But then, you know that.

      • Just a Guest

        Nah…No one really gave a sh..t about you, darling. at that time.

        • dungeon master

          Does jenny know you’re stealing her best lines? Oh, wait! That was fuck. No one gives a fuck about you..

        • Scream Nevermore

          Ooooh, lookit Marco, waving his little willy about. Take the magnifying glass, you’ll need it!

          • ScnMonkeyNuts

            Scanning electron microscope to notice Marco’s weenie wiener!

        • Lucille Austero

          Marco, you are not being nice. Think about this: You are fail. Your fake religion is fail. I know. You are mad about this.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Boy, don’t I know! But I’m not your darlin’.

    • Sid

      “It looks to me like Marco is going to convert all of the Bunker people into Scientologists.” -LRH

      “Marco is so clever. He just knows the right thing to say in any situation.” -LRH

      “I’m coming back from Target 2 to be reincarnated as Marco.” -LRH

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Wait, let me get my old SO #1 and FO issues out from 1984. Oh look, here they are. Yep, just as I thought:

        “It’s all the Hole’s fault”. “Marco is a Natural Born Kidder.” “Where’d my goddam roll of toilet paper go this time?”

        • Sid

          It was also in LRH’s hand written notes. Unfortunately it was written on toilet paper and some Sea Org staff stole it and used it.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Aha! Mystery solved.

            • Sid

              Most of his notes were just shit anyway.

      • “Ah . . .Marco is super-effective and not a laughingstock at all . . . and so on and so forth.” -LRH

      • Observer

        I’m glad I wasn’t drinking anything!

    • Mrs. V.

      I don’t even need to read what you wrote. I already know it’s lies. And it’s been years since LRH was even in scientlology. Nothing he says has anything to do with what the church is doing today.

    • Erica

      It is interesting indeed! I have yet to understand why these horrible, evil members who hurt the organization so badly were constantly PROMOTED. If Big Ron had such a problem with him how would this ever happen? Scientology has done a horrific job of keeping all these evil doers out. Just look at all the ex top dogs making such a fuss and trying to destroy it now? You’d think such an elite group of people would have seen their evil intent from the get go.

      • Pepsicat

        That Ron…what a fuck up.

        • One Human

          Wish he had gone the way of Elvis.

    • Lucille Austero

      “For example, an unsuspected Marco on post f**king up the interwebz & covering up his misdeeds.” — LRH’s Big Giant Forehead Cyst.

      • dungeon master

        Congratulations, Lucille, on your promotion to communicator I/C for LRHs Big Giant Forehead Cyst!

        • Lucille Austero

          Oh thank you all so very much! I am, of course, stunned by the generosity of all of you! To have chosen me out of the five of us! And the other four nominees are, of course, FAR more deserving than I am of receiving this award! I would like to thank the Academy of Giant Cysts, first and foremost. I love you all, and I think you know it! Of course, my publicist and all of the crew at CAA, especially Jim Toth. I know Reese was a little jealous of all the time we spent together on this project! Oh! Is that the music? Okay, well, again, thanks Mom, and thanks to the Academy. I truly love you, each and every one!

          • dungeon master

            Coffee everywhere!

    • YNDOT

      “Interesting isn’t it?”
      YAWN x47

    • Sejanus

      Wow, how lame.
      Besides if another misguided basketcase responsible for hijacking tons of philosophies and bastardizing them into a mish mash of brainfartery did not like Rinder..it just goes to show Rinder musta been a decent guy.

      Your argument is invalid

      Hey how many wives did LRH have…if you say two yer wroooong…lol

      • Just a Guest

        well, what you expect from a man that lived 10 lives?
        3 wives are not so many.

        • Sejanus

          If yer trying to be funny…epic failure.

        • dungeon master

          1984 LRH was living in seclusion and his lines were tightly controlled by the asthmatic dwarf. IF he wrote this, why did anyone keep MR around for the next 20 years, and use him in PR??

          • Just a Guest

            Betwwen 1983 and the end of 1985 LRH wrote Mission Earth (a ten-volume science fiction novel series). Hubbard died three months after the publication of volume 1, the rest of the book being published posthumously.
            The series’ initial publisher, Bridge Publications coined the word dekalogy, meaning “a series of ten books”, to describe and promote the novel. Made up of about 1.2 million
            words, the epic is a “satirical science fiction adventure set in the far future.” Each volume in the series topped numerous bestseller lists. The second volume, Black Genesis, was nominated for the 1987 Hugo Award in the Best Novel category.

            • Mrs. V.

              I read dungeon’s question and your answer three times. Can you shed a little light on the point of your response? I can’t seem to understand how it’s related.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              I’m in agreement with Mrs. V. That statement is logically inconsistent and doesn’t answer the question. Flunk. Next.

              (Just blow–1–866–XSEAORG, there are lots of nice people out in the real world who’d love to help you out of the trap you’re in.)

            • dungeon master

              OK – I said your statement contained logical fallacies and your response was to talk about battlefield earth? (BTW thank you for responding, even if your response was totally nonsensical I appreciate the courtesy of a response..)

            • dungeon master

              Is this the internet equivalent of closing your eyes, sticking your fingers in your ears and saying ‘lalala’ so you can’t hear what I’m saying?

            • Mrs. V.

              I’ve asked this person the same question three times and haven’t had a response. And I was polite and sincere.

            • dungeon master

              Maybe he was overwhelmed by the entheta and had to be put into introspection rundown..

            • kemist

              More or less.

              It’s way less impressive when they can’t yell in someone’s face though.

              I give it a grade of P.

              For Pathetic.

            • kemist

              Is that the much vaunted scilon confronting and shat-in-my-pantering ?

              I am disappoint.

            • Robert Eckert

              Reviews on Goodreads (volume 4 “An Alien Affair”):

              “The biggest problems with this series is that the bad guy is just too bad, there are no redeeming quatlities to his character. The good guy is too good, he doesn’t seem to have any character flaws. I really consider this to be high school or middle school reading level. I will finish this series, but I will probably regret it.” — Myk

              “A book for flagellants everywhere
              This is where this series starts to become really painful and irritating and I really do not know why I continued through this series to the seventh book. Maybe because I am a sucker for punishment, though it is not as if any punishment was being doled out to me but rather because I was exposing myself to it. These books aren’t good science-fiction and don’t have any literary merit. One wonders how it is that they became international best sellers despite people not actually liking them. Some have suggested that a bunch of Hubbard’s followers simply went out and bought multiple copies of the books…” — David Sarkies

              “This could be the worst book I’ve ever read. At some point even a train wreck gets so bad that you want to turn your head and stop looking. The book starts out boring, gets hilariously bad, offensively bad, then probably another kind of bad that I haven’t even imagined (I’m still reading it). I teach English to Vietnamese kids. This book is making me question whether or not they should bother learning the language at all. It’s the kind of thing you can really only read on a dare.” — Seth

            • KNMF

              At least the book spawned those great reviews. I’d love to see a compilation.
              “The Reviews of L. Ron Hubbard.” Critics have been lambasting him for decades. And over time his writing never improved. LOL

            • Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps

              The second volume, Black Genesis, was nominated for the 1987 Hugo Award in the Best Novel category.

              Yeah, and because it only got nominated because of Scientologists stuffing the nomination ballots, it received last place in the final tally, behind “No Award”. (This means the electors would rather give no prize at all than give an award to Black Genesis.)

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            Didn’t lrh write the xenu story in a book before it was OT111

        • Observer

          Did you see him live ten lives? If not, how do you know he wasn’t making it all up?

        • One Human

          Lives?
          Oh, I thought it was LIES.

        • Lucille Austero

          Hey, Marco – Ten lives? That is, like, one more than cats live.

        • Jack99

          What an insult to LRH! Just 10 lives?! He’s lived thousands of lives, going back millions of years!

        • Lucille Austero

          Hey, Marco – why you are follow a fake religion anyway?

        • Dude went all the way back to Incident 1. He was the cherub and so forth . . .

          • Observer

            No! Not the Shattering Series of Snaps!

            • Poor little clams. Snap! Snap! Snap!

            • Observer

              Ow! My jaw!

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            and so on.

            • And that sort of thing . . .

            • Eivol Ekdal

              This is quite true I tell you…

        • kemist

          The problem is, he had one too many at the same time, bub.

          However many lives that idiot claims he’s lived apparently did not teach him not to be a bigamist.

          • Missionary Kid

            Bigamist: Italian fog.

    • So just because you put quotes around it and then tag it “-LRH” that means we’re supposed to believe it? Are you actually David Miscavige?

    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      moRon Hubbard was a mysoginist, bigamist, homophobic, racist, plagiarising, lying, fourth–rate sci–fi hack, was a convicted fraud, who had no military career to speak of (and managed to attack Mexico, an ally, in what short career he had), who was constantly trying to get more money out of the VA for wounds he didn’t have, and fraudulently drew a VA pension until the day he died (stuffed with Vistaril at the time). Need any more? (Oh and OT III isn’t even good sci–fi).

      ETA: Sorry, forgot sociopathic, narcissistic, paranoid schizophrenic.

    • sumertin

      Do you know where LRH was in 1984 and who was feeding him his information? Can you guess who?

      And those quotes are bullshit anyway.

    • Scream Nevermore

      Just when I thought I couldn’t like Mike any more…

    • Anonymous

      What is interesting is the futility of you citing L. Ron Hubbard as somehow a credible source for evaluating the performance of Mike Rinder. Even if your quotes were true…let’s face it…it is Hubbard doing the evaluating. That alone disqualifies the opinion.

      Also, during the early 80’s Hubbard was in no condition to be evaluating much of anything as he was on the lam and in hiding from tax authorities and civil process servers. As his mental and physical condition deteriorated, he was largely isolated from day-to-day affairs with whatever he “knew” about conditions and stats, largely spoon fed to him by others while they pillaged the briefcases of church generated cash they were secretly delivering to Ron’s hidden locations.

      Oh and by the way…nobody outside of your shrinking cult cares what L. Ron Hubbard has to say about much of anything…except for those that are working up comedy sketches or otherwise mocking Scientology. But nice try.

      • Just a Guest

        It may still have some interest to indies. And i actually don’t give a damn what you think about LRH.

        • Mrs. V.

          Hence, my two questions earlier, but I’ll re-type in case you missed them. If you know we don’t believe what LRH says, and you don’t care what we think, then why are you posting it here?

        • Anonymous

          Of course you don’t…that would require critical thinking.

          Is that you Leon?

          he he he

        • Lucille Austero

          Marco, listen to The Big Giant Cyst, “Currently we have a situation with Marco f**king up both the interwebz and Twitter.” — LRH’s Big Giant Cyst.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          But I Thought Indies were squirrels ?

        • Jack99

          Indies don’t actually visit this blog that much. All the joking and degrading about LRH, you know, they don’t find it to be so funny.

        • Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps

          Providing squirrels with verbal tech? Now that’s a flunk.

    • generic sock account

      And now, for my next trick, I am going to convince a group of Star Wars fanboys to stay away from Episode VII by posting photoshopped pictures of Luke Skywalker in an evening gown!!!

      • Science Doc

        I hear the Millenium Falcon crash lands on a golf course.

        • L. C. Spencer

          I hear the first Hole on that one is a real killer.

    • Dancing Cranberry

      I suspect that both lrh and dm have written similar comments about a great many people. Such is the behaviour of paranoid persons.

    • i-Betty

      Any man who causes LRH a headache is a friend of mine. Good on yer, Mike.

    • Jack99

      Today is about Paul Haggis.

      “This Canadian guy, Paul Haggis, who writes for TV. Keep an eye on him. I suspect he might be an SP. One day he’ll win an Oscar for best film, and then, the next thing you know, he’ll talk out against the Church, and do a good job about it. Start digging up dirt about him.” – LRH

    • L. C. Spencer

      Yes it is. Extremely interesting. LRH did indeed find great personal fault with Mike Rinder.

      This fact is a tremendous credit to Mike Rinder, a man of ethical standards LRH himself could never meet.

      LRH recognized that Mike had a human soul and a conscience, and he didn’t like it one bit.

    • Tony Ortega

      So, Marco, is OSA feeding you actual ‘despatches’ and ‘advices’ written by LRH in his Bluebird bus at the Creston ranch? If that’s the case, how about feeding those suckers to the Bunker — our email address is at the end of every post.

      Glad to see you here sparring. But watch the misogynistic stuff. I won’t hesitate to ban you if you get more personal, like you just did with THDNE.

      • Just a Guest

        Those are actualLRH EDs and not just “OSA despatches”. i will try my best to show the other face of the coin but i wish that others do not get personal with me too.

        • Just a Guest

          And my name is not “marco’ or “bob” or ‘lorraine’.

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            Bill ? 🙂

            • Scream Nevermore

              That’s Clarence Oveur. Over. Overt. (OK, I made up that last bit!)

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              Every time I see a Troll I want to ask that. I couldn’t help myself. maybe rubber duckie.

            • L. C. Spencer

              This is the best trollthread ever.

            • One Human

              Okay, one more:

            • One Human

              Might make a good sock.

          • One Human

            Shirley?

            • Juicer77

              Don’t call him Shirley! 🙂

            • One Human

              Again, roger Roger.

            • Mrs. V.

              Surely you can’t be serious?

            • One Human

              Roger Roger.

            • Mrs. V.

              Over Under.

            • One Human

              Haha!
              I always forget that part!

            • Jack99

              Well, I’ll give him another twenty minutes, but that’s it!

            • Jack99

              We have clearance, Clarence.

            • Scream Nevermore

              What’s our vector, Victor?

            • Jack99

              Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

            • Mrs. V.

              I have a drinking problem.

            • Jack99

              Oh, stewardess! I speak jive.

            • One Human

              Huh?! /s

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Huh? Clearance Clarence

          • Lucille Austero

            Oh you’re so sly, Marco 🙂

          • Tony Ortega

            You’re just rooming with Marco, then. I see.

            • kemist

              Hard to afford your own internet connection with all those donations.

          • Lucille Austero

            Marco, some people think your name is Shirley. Like, three people so far. Is your name Shirley?

            • L. C. Spencer

              Don’t call him Shirley.

          • Jack99

            Sue?

          • Scream Nevermore

            Laurisse??

          • One Human

            Okay
            Rumplestiltskin?

          • Robert Eckert

            Norman?

          • Always Amazed

            what’s your name, Pudintain?

            • dungeon master

              He said it’s ‘notmarco’ 😉

          • noseinabk

            Paolo?

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          Most of us aren’t getting personal JaG, merely pointing out that the $acred $auce of your belief system was an appalling cheat, fraud and a liar, who was only in it to get as much ca$h out of the saps who were gullible enough to believe a word he said. Freeloader debt is unenforceable, break out of the prison of your mind, call 1–866–XSEAORG, and make the most sensible decision of your life.

        • sumertin

          Just a Guest, you’re missing the point. During his final years in Creston, LRH communicated with the outside world only through “messengers.” Namely, Pat Broeker would meet with a messenger, often Miscavage, at restaurants to receive and pass along information. And we now know that in an effort to consolidate power, DM was providing false reports to Broeker, in an attempt to incriminate all of his rivals.

          The bottom line is, no matter how much you may respect actual LRH “EDs,” he was receiving inaccurate information about everything and everyone.
          Do you get it? Everything coming “uplines” was “aberrated datum.”

          And again, I seriously doubt the authenticity of those EDs. Do you see how many times “evil purposes” is written? Who does that sound like to you?

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      Your doubts are valid.Freeloader debt is unenforceable. JUST BLOW !

    • KNMF
      • Observer

        That is weirdly hypnotic … must find org … must get on bridge … take my money …

        • Newiga

          Hypnotic, yes but also *refresh*

          • KNMF

            yeah keep hydrated fo sho

        • KNMF

          I don’t like it now that I’m watching it here. Gonna change it.

          • Observer

            And now I look like a bigger idiot than usual! Thanks a lot! *runs off crying*

            • KNMF

              PSA: My first gif was creepy and hypnotic. weirdly so.

    • Juicer77

      We really want you to have freedom of choice. Read and remember this post next time one of your fellow church members uses leverage against you.

    • Ben Franklin

      It would be great help if you can provide proof in the form of documents written by LRH, Otherwise, LRH might have been saying those things about David Miscavige and you are just attributing them to Mike Rinder

    • Ben Franklin

      For someone who supposedly did not hold a high ranking post, LRH sure did pay a lot of attention. Total insanity

    • Jack99

      How about LRH’s secret diaries, do you have those? That could be really interesting.

      • dungeon master

        With OT levels 9-15?

    • Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps

      Could you provide documentation of these quotes?

      • ScnMonkeyNuts

        Yeah! We want to see scans with moRon’s signature on them!

        Edited for consistency

    • Juicer77

      It’s ok, Guest. We’ll help you until you can swim on your own. We really do care.

    • KNMF

      Did LRH ever criticize himself? That would go a long way toward making the argument that he was more than a lardass, lying sociopathic master hypnotist.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      Yes the Bunker gives free Hugs! Please get something good to eat and at least 8 hrs. sleep.And keep coming back here and read all the Articles and comments.

    • Cindy

      Not really. LRH was in full paranoid mode then. Keep trying Davy.

      • Just a Guest

        Well that is what you think based on BS you have been fed. Truth is:
        Betwwen 1983 and the end of 1985 LRH wrote Mission Earth (a ten-volume
        science fiction novel series). Hubbard died three months after the
        publication of volume 1, the rest of the book being published
        posthumously.
        The series’ initial publisher, Bridge Publications
        coined the word dekalogy, meaning “a series of ten books”, to describe
        and promote the novel. Made up of about 1.2 million
        words, the epic
        is a “satirical science fiction adventure set in the far future.” Each
        volume in the series topped numerous bestseller lists. The second
        volume, Black Genesis, was nominated for the 1987 Hugo Award in the Best
        Novel category.

        • Lucille Austero

          Okay, Marco. That is what you say. What I say is, again, IS your name really Shirley, because at last count, there were, like three people (four if you count me) who are reasonably certain that your name is, in fact, Shirley.

        • Mrs. V.

          It’s possible to be both paranoid and a writer.

        • Robert Eckert

          And I coined the word “dreckology” describe it. Nathan Johnson, who slogged through every word of all ten books, summed it up this way:

          “To be blunt, Mission Earth is shit.

          It’s a story of sorts, with characters and some semblance of a plot, but they’re all soaked in bile and acid, bleached of any positive qualities until there’s nothing left but bare bones and foulness. The book is an offensive, noisome mess that should be disposed of far from polite company, rather than put on a bookshelf for others to see. The idea that someone could be proud of producing it is worrisome, the notion that any audience would eagerly consume it is horrifying.”

          http://missionspork.blogspot.com/2014/04/one-mission-ends-another-continues.html

        • Always Amazed

          Shirley, Its never to late to get out,….you can live a nice life , we aren’t as bad as we sound. There are a lot of people you can reach out to privately, take that next step….

          P.S.non of the above applies to you if you are, in fact, Davey…tick tock!!

        • 1subgenius

          “…nominated….”
          And……?
          Guess Tom Cruise is following in his footsteps.

        • KNMF

          Yeah. We’ve all heard his lectures. Sinister loon.

        • Jack99

          So a bit like Game of Thrones, then, except that it hasn’t been turned into a hit HBO show?

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          Did you know that LRH wrote the Xenu story in a book before it was OT111 ?

        • Mymy88

          You really need to watch a YouTube video titled “Spanish man describing some reactions to Going Clear”. I bet you 10 clams to an oyster, you will laugh and hate yourself while doing it.

        • sumertin

          At least credit Wikipedia for that entire comment. You didn’t actually know all that stuff, you just pasted it.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Do you seriously think anyone here gives a fuck what lrh thinks about anything? I can’t speak for everyone, but I’d be willing to bet that 99.9% of those reading here are not big lrh fans.. And the other 0.1% would be those poor delusional fools who still contribute to dm’s annual birthday gift..

    • KNMF

      Is this SOP for an organization running on WISE principles?
      Does the chief executive usually send out missives, generally grumbling and bitching about an executive, inciting suspicion, to real avail?

    • 1subgenius

      “Interesting isn’t it?”
      Only to you.

    • kemist

      I would consider it an honor if that old pathological liar and fraudster ever complained about me.

      Means I’d be doing something right.

    • Mymy88

      I think it’s interesting just because it demonstrates another ridiculous example of how this $cien, Inc., church, whatever, thinks and does things, or did things. But I’m new so maybe a lot here at the Bunker already have had enough of examples like that. And I wouldn’t blame them. At a certain point, ridiculousness stops being ridiculous and starts being the same ole, same ole.

    • One Human

      $#!*, you may be sorry it was posted today.

    • EnthralledObserver

      *snort* Wasn’t LRonny in seclusion at this time… AND by law wasn’t supposed to be in charge of, or giving directives of any sort, in $cientology (although, as you’ve acknowledged, he certainly was, as was he inuring himself with $ci-funds)? What sort of idiot IS Miscavige for directing you guys to use this kind of excuse? Miscavige is also inuring himself with $ci-funds… are we going to talk about that too?

  • Pepsicat

    I’m curious as to how many Going Clear viewing parties might be developing out there. If you are having one or going to one, please reply by naming the town that it will be in – no names or addresses please, just the name of the town. Thanks! (I think this might make for an interesting human interest story.)

    • Mrs. V.

      Ferndale, MI. Just a few friends, pizza and wine. Maybe beer.

      • YNDOT

        Same here in Wyandotte, MI!

        • 1subgenius

          I’ll find you too.
          Love that town.
          Do you ever call it the
          “Downriviera”?

          • YNDOT

            No, but I love it! We fight the “downriver” stigma which usually means adding “tucky” to the end of the local city names. I love my little town.

            1subgenius, have you seen the Scio building on Jefferson in Detroit? I work right across from it and keep an eye out for activity. It is a great location to be empty. Like so much in Scientology, what a waste.

            • 1subgenius

              Oh yeah, I’ve done demos there, and visit it periodically.
              Tony will attest to seeing an interesting sign on it when he was in town.
              So you’re across from it. Either the old Michcon building (is the “Top of the Flame” still there?), or the Guardian Building (great Pewabic tile work)

              But yeah, I don’t know where I first heard “Downriviera”, but I wish it would be used more. Work on that, OK?
              The whole waterway is going to come back. I love scooting to Mariner’s Park across from Belle Isle.

        • 1subgenius

          Muskrat for Lent.
          Trufax.

          • YNDOT

            LOL! Rumor, I say. 😉

            • 1subgenius

              Nope Google it. Gabriel Richard deemed the muskrat fish because it was a water animal, so that starving people could eat.
              I always wanted to, but never got around to getting the braised muskrat at the Poremba Hotel on Jefferson at Southfield.

            • YNDOT

              Well, I can’t tell a lie :)…I’ve seen it and smelled it. That is about as close as I was getting to it. The cook told me, and it may have been a joke at my expense, that they have to leave one paw uncooked so you can tell it isn’t a rat. I watched a wild game eater turn green trying to choke down the first bite. No, thanks, I’ll take the pierogis!

            • 1subgenius

              “…they have to leave one paw uncooked so you can tell it isn’t a rat. ”
              I broke out laughing.

            • YNDOT

              Right?! I told my hubby that I finally got up the nerve to come out from lurking and mentioned that I was from Wyandotte to a multinational website and BAM – out comes muskrat! First rule of the muskrat dinner club is you don’t talk about muskrat dinners. 🙂

            • 1subgenius

              Once again, I broke out laughing.
              Hey, maybe some gourmet chef in the Downriviera will make it a delicacy.
              (By the way I’m a member of the PLAV….gotta remember to pay my dues.)

      • 1subgenius

        I’ll find ya.
        Oh yeah, a new distillery opened up in Royal Oak.
        Rye.

        • Mrs. V.

          I wish I was a fan of Rye. I love Valentine’s though. I’ll take vodka any day.

          • 1subgenius

            I love Rye.
            It makes me mean.

      • Robert Eckert

        Grosse Pointe, with a buddy who’s coming in from Boston.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      SF Bay Area

    • flyonthewall

      Saint Louis, MO!

    • 1subgenius

      I’m trying to finagle an invite from the folks in Ferndale or Wyandotte, but they ain’t takin’ the hint.

      • dungeon master

        You can come to Tc and we’ll have a party if ypsi and ferndale are private..

        • 1subgenius

          A belated thanks for the invite.

      • YNDOT

        You would be more than welcome in Downriviera except that I just got back from the dr’s with a broken ankle. I am out of commission until I see the ortho on Monday. 🙁 Since I am couch bound until the documentary, I am going to read Blown For Good while I wait.

    • One Human

      Twin Cities anyone?

    • L. C. Spencer

      Is anybody planning one in the Tampa area? I don’t have HBO and have so far finagled nothing in the way of borrowing 🙁

      • chukicita

        I’m in Tampa Bay area also with no HBO…

    • MadMaxi

      Roanoke, VA- few friends and family members and some great microbrews to celebrate.

    • Santa Rosa, California, recently cleared (of official Scientology presence).

    • Vaquera

      The Woodlands, TX

    • Kim O’Brien

      Denver , CO

  • aquaclara

    In remarkable week, here is another standout piece. Great work, Tony and Paul.

    For those of you lurking and on the fence, seize the moment and leave. This is your time. The life you have is the only one and you don’t have a billion years to waste. Start today.

    We’re cheering for you.

  • Garbled

    Thank you to Paul for writing this. I’m left feeling raw with emotion because it describes so well what I’ve gone through and am still left dealing with.

    • Juicer77

      Hugs, Garbled.

  • Cupcakes for Breakfast

    Apologies if this has been posted already- scrolled down but didn’t see it. The opening statement says it all- “The Church of Scientology is Bad at Twitter”
    (Refresh)
    http://www.businessinsider.com/church-of-scientologys-bad-twitter-campaign-against-going-clear-2015-3

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Never gets old.

    • Mrs. V.

      Oh that’s awesome.

    • Matt in Atlanta

      Way cool link. The POSITIVE press this documentary is getting is MASSIVE!

    • Anonymous

      Thanks for the link to this article…had not seen this previously.

      Here is a link to the Twitter feed that parodies the Scientology Twitter feed attacking the Going Clear documentary and its participants: https://twitter.com/freeclearethics

      BTW – the parody Twitter feed has almost three times the number of followers as does the church feed it mocks. Heh.

      • Mrs. V.

        Only three times? Well we have to work our way up to 47X.

      • Lucille Austero

        Observe the fail. ETA: of the real site. The link is HI-larious.

      • Cupcakes for Breakfast

        Ohhhhh, thanks for that link- I was hoping someone would do that! (Just been busy, in and out all day.)

    • rickiraccoon

      OMG…hilarious, thanks!

  • Scream Nevermore

    This just popped up on my FB page – interesting that the cult is included, The word is getting out, methinks!

    • Scream Nevermore

      Oops!

      • ^^ Fine until the fine print. Some of the “Islamophobia” out there sure smells just like racism. (And the sort of people who promote it probably lump all Muslims as “arabs”.)

  • Super Power Wogsy

    Thank you for all that you have done Paul Haggis! Bravo!

    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      Hi SPW, hope things are going well in the WoW (World of Wogsy) xo

      • Super Power Wogsy

        Ok I was in the middle of writing an email, but I just had to sign back in and say that I approve of the WoW (World of Wogsy). It is the cutest thing ever written, and you should TM it. Possibly make T-shirts, hats, cups. I would totally buy it : )

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          Cool, already on the case 🙂 ETA: Sorry, busy batting the OSA plaything about downthread 😉

          • Super Power Wogsy

            My avi is Venellope from Wreck-it-Ralph. But I have one picture that my sister drew that I will send. Check your email when you get a chance. This Wogsy has to go take a test. ttyl. XoXo.

  • There were many things that I read when I finally decided to go on Google and search for “Scientology” back at the end of 2010. Paul Haggis’s resignation was one of them. It was a shock to me at the time. Paul had been a client of my dad’s some time ago and invited my family to a beach party at his home. I don’t remember meeting him, just playing volleyball.

    I remember thinking to myself how strange it was that my dad kept it Mr. Haggis’s resignation quiet. Usually he would rant and rave and complain about everything. My dad particularly loved when he would get juicy gossip about other Scientologists and he would spill it all as soon as he got home. So it struck me as odd that he never mentioned this.

    It was heartbreaking to read his story. When the Church in San Diego came out in support of Prop 8, my dad praised it, except for the fact that it jeopardized Scientology in some way. The heartbreak came from the fact that Mr. Haggis had a daughter who is gay and that his resignation was in defense of her. I learned more watching ‘Going Clear’ about how his daughter was treated, and I remember my dad treated me the same way those other people were treating Mr. Haggis’s daughter. Conversely Mr. Haggis felt bad for his daughter when he found out about the way that church members had been treating her all along.

    I never understood why I couldn’t have parents that were as good to me as he was being to his daughter. I couldn’t even tell my parents that I was gay, much less ask for their support in the matter. My dad used to talk about how all the faggots needed to be executed and how disgusting lesbians were. Here’s this guy who literally said fuck it all and just put everything on the line to defend his kid against a church that was once his entire life.

    So Mr. Haggis, I applaud you if I am a bit envious that your daughter got to have such a great dad.

    • Missionary Kid

      IIRC, ultimately, both of his daughters came out as gay. If I’m wrong, someone correct me.

      • Observer

        No, you’re right.

        • Fixed, Thanks! I originally wrote the entire thing in plural, but then I wasn’t sure how many daughters he even had by the time I finished writing. Should have gone with my first instinct instead of second guessing.

      • You might be right. I originally wrote the entire thing that way and then I got confused between the NYT article I read and Going Clear. So I couldn’t recall correctly.

      • sumertin

        Paul has 3 daughters. 2 have come out as gay.

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks for the correction.

    • NOLAGirl

      Derek, I wish I could offer more than ((((((((hugs))))))))

      I admire your strength. I know it’s not always easy, but keep pushing ahead and know that you are indeed loved. 🙂

      • MrsLurksALot

        Well said.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      Your dad and Lying Rat Hubris certainly had the same idea about what to do to homosexuals who can’t be “cured” by auditing.

      • Unfortunately Scientologists aren’t alone.

        http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lawyer-proposes-california-ballot-measure-allowing-shooting-killing-gays-n327196

        Matthew Gregory McLaughlin, California Lawyer, Proposes Ballot Measure Allowing Execution of Gays

        A group of California legislators has filed a complaint against a lawyer who is proposing a statewide ballot initiative that would allow gays and lesbians to be “put to death by bullets to the head.”

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          Whaaat the fuuuck?! That’s outrageous. I hope this neanderthal gets sent to prison for hate crimes. (Edit: please excuse the bad language.)

          • Dale A.

            That’s OK. Everything from you gets excused because you are so sweet to go around upvoting everyone all the time. I love it!

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside to upvote (and because it’s my way of saying “I agree with that statement”), sometimes (very rarely) I don’t agree, so no upvote (or I’m not about!) And I’m known to deploy Donny Downvote on trolls, but only if they something really inflammatory (like when today’s OSAbot got personal with THDNE–which got a Freddy Flag too!) If I’m on a lurk only day, it’s upvote tech 🙂

            • Dale A.

              Occasionally when going for “reply” I’ve accidentally hit the downvote. I’ve tried to reverse it, and I hope it did. I think it’s kind of weakness in the design.

            • MrsLurksALot

              Don’t worry about it. Down votes don’t matter anymore, Disqus took them away. I mean, the button is still there but there is no tally anymore and no one can see them or even know they’ve be down voted. Just remove the down arrow, already, right?

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Ah! Well that’ll save me some time, I’ll just go for the flag in that case 🙂

            • Drat

              When you click on the upvote, the downvote goes away (even though it doesn’t matter any more and no one sees it – half-baked feature upgrade).

            • Dale A.

              Thanks Drat! That’s what I was hoping.

        • Scream Nevermore

          I honestly thought this was satire when I saw it earlier. What a piece of shit.

          • I didn’t even know about it until one of my friends tagged me in a post on Facebook last night. Ridiculous. We should pass a law to shoot him in the head.

            • kemist

              Or at the very least keep him from voting, buying firearms or driving.

            • There’s a potential the law could pass if it makes it onto the ballot, which is even scarier. Thankfully it would be struck because its unconstitutional.

            • cathy from encino

              It’s not going on the ballot because it’s unconstitutional, but there wasn’t any law that could stop it being circulated for signatures. I would rather hope people take the signature clipboard to read it over and then “accidentally” feel the need to shred all pages.

              I mean, free speech is important, but incitement to murder of an entire class clearly trumps it.

        • kemist

          Help me.

          I think I might be losing faith in humanity.

          • One Human

            The Bunker can help you with that 😉
            .Seriously, I agree; the ability to spread somuch hate is disheartening.

        • Always Amazed

          Some people are just plain Bat Sh*t crazy…every state has them. I hate to see them get this much press.

        • One Human

          Let’s hope that MF’er gets disbarred!!

        • 1subgenius

          He will soon to be arrested for soliciting a cop in a restroom.
          Mark my words.

          • I was thinking the same thing. It never fails.

            • 1subgenius

              He is so self-loathing that it is himself he would like to shoot.

            • I suspect the same thing about my dad. He’s the type that would vote “yes” on this.

            • 1subgenius

              Methinks they doth protest too much.

            • Rita Gregory

              Yep.

            • Rita Gregory

              I suspected that about my dad, he was always so homophobic. Well, it turns out when his alzheimers kicked in my sister heard some very interesting stories about old boyfriends! Guess who’s bi-sexual? Never fails is right.

        • MrsLurksALot

          That is so terrible, I am truly speechless, for a change. F5…

        • KNMF

          idk

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          This guy advocates killing gays. How is that not a hate crime?

          • Robert Eckert

            Speech by itself is seldom a crime in the US; “hate crime” legislation only imposes penalty enhancements for things that are already crimes (spray painting a swastika on a synagogue would get a tougher sentence than spray painting I <3 U JOJO 4EVER on a freeway overpass– but graffiti is a misdemeanor regardless of content). Speech which solicits a specific crime is punishable ("I'll pay you $10,000 to kill my wife" is a crime in any jurisdiction) but generalized threats are usually considered freedom of speech. Article on this very topic which popped up on my feed today:

            http://www.nationalmemo.com/oklahoma-frat-fallout-some-speech-protected-some-punished/

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              Robert, it’s true that saying, “I’m so angry, I’m going to kill you because you stole my bicycle,” is not a crime. But I think that pushing legislation to kill gays is akin to shouting fire in a crowded movie theater. I don’t see it as protected speech. It may not rise, yet, to the level of arrest, but I definitely think this fellow’s judgment is so off, his license to practice law should be revoked. If he was pushing legislation to put Jews, the disabled, and minorities in concentration camps so they could be “exterminated,” I don’t think there would be any debate over whether he should have a license to practice law. A law license is a privilege, not a right (as bar associations make clear over and over again).

            • Robert Eckert

              Disbarment is indeed likely in this case; criminal prosecution, not so much.

    • rickiraccoon

      That was touching. Thanks for sharing Derek.

    • sumertin

      Derek, just out of curiosity. Did you ever eventually come out to your father? If so, what was his reaction?

      In my experience, many of the “old-schoolers” who talk that way will do a 180 if their child comes out. Sometimes it takes a little time, but they usually stand by their children and abandon all that intolerant, macho bluster.
      Based on your comment, that may not have been the case for you, or maybe you were never able to tell him.
      (p.s. Feel free not to answer. I know it’s not my business).

      • It’s a two part answer. I was ejected from the Sea Org for having a relationship with another boy from the UK when we were training at Flag. He found out about that because I told him why I was thrown out when he asked. I assumed if I didn’t tell him he would found out elsewhere anyway. At that point he told me to kill myself. I told him he was just a mistake.

        Over the next few years, of course I kept being gay because that never stops, but I acted like I wasn’t around my parents and siblings. I was paying fair market price for a room while I was living there and my dad had become dependent on my income so at some point the whole thing became history. Then I told my friends that I’m gay and they were all cool with it. That was part of my shedding the Scientology mindfuck.

        Then my dad found out that I was actually gay when he read what the church printed off the internet and gave to him.

        So it was kind of weird and complicated. But he did know and yet he was hateful as ever the entire time.

        • Mrs. V.

          Every time I read your story it breaks my heart. I am so sorry you’ve had to go through that.

        • sumertin

          Oh wow, that’s heavy. I have so many more questions but I’ll keep them to myself.

          I knew you were an ex, but you must have left pretty recently if you were still connected to your father during the Prop 8 debate. If you’ve told your story here before, forgive me for having missed it.
          But I’m guessing he suspected you for years and all of that “faggots need to be executed” stuff was for your benefit only.

          I’m just surprised because I have gay friends whose parents would always tell them things like “if you turn out gay we’ll disown you,” at then at age 30 or so they come out to their parents and the parents are usually very loving and sympathetic.
          I would think the exception to that rule would be devout Catholics or evangelicals but if your dad was a Scientologist I’d just assume he’d be more tolerant and less “bigoted,” as they like to say. Especially if Paul was a “client” of your father I just figured your dad was likely a liberal California guy. I guess not. Maybe being a scion for so long has made him miserable.

          Well, I’m very sorry for that unfortunate situation. I hope at least some of your siblings are of a more loving nature.

          • Unfortunately my siblings are no better. Tony posted the nasty letter my sister sent to me a while back when he posted a bunch of disconnection letters.

            Tony wrote about me back at the Village Voice in 2012. I’ve been out of Scientology for just going on 3 years.

            http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/05/scientology_and_6.php

            My dad was a business manager that worked for Wiseman & Burke. They manage the money for a lot of wealthy and famous Scientologists.

            Ask away. There’s probably nothing that you can ask that I haven’t already answered.

            For the record, I have devout Catholics in my family and they are more compassionate and loving towards me than my father ever was.

        • cathy from encino

          It’s bad enough your dad was hateful towards you and many other wonderful people.
          What’s worse is he was hateful while taking your money.
          What’s even worse was him taking your money as a “loan” and refusing to pay you back (the bait and switch on your so-called Freeloader Debt). That was disgusting.

    • kemist

      I just can’t understand how hateful parents can be to their own children as yours were to you.

      I can’t even. It makes me very sad to see such pointless cruelty.

    • Kim O’Brien

      i wish i could have been your mom …your very, very , very YOUNG mom 😉

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Derek, the best revenge is success. I have no doubt that your life will be filled with joy, love, good friends, and material success. Your father has made sure he will never have these things.

    • Dibythesea

      Oh my god! My heart breaks for you! You are a very brave and wonderful person!
      Sometimes you have to pick other people in your life and call them family, and that’s okay.
      I had to do that, so I know your pain.

    • vicariousthrill

      Derek, I’m reading this late, but I wanted to say first, that I wish I could remove that pain you must feel, and second, though your dad couldn’t validate you, maybe one day (if you ever want to have children) you can be the kind of dad who will do so for your own child. You can pour all of that energy into being the most loving and accepting father, now that you know how important it is. I admire you SO very much and I know you will bring that strength to others.

  • outraged

    Tina Fey has a new show on NetFlix – Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt
    Kimmy is trapped underground, comes out of a hole, finds the world.
    Sound familiar? Wonder if Tina Fey knows Mr. Haggis. :-}

    • Basketballjane

      I was going to pitch my story of leaving to a network, complete with the GBF and everything. I think Tina is reading my mind!

    • Peggy oh!

      I binge watched this as a break from the bunker! All of the pain was getting to me!

      I considered recommending it to the bunker, but I wasn’t commenting here yet, and while there are some good laughs (I love 30rock) I’m afraid my personal opinion is they need to work out problems with the non white characters and the quality/kind of jokes they are making at their expense. It too often comes off as written by white people for white people in a cringe inducing way. And I love Tina Fey! I’m hoping they work out the kinks before next season. All the actors are awesome! JMO.

      • Juicer77

        Thx for the review.

      • Sibs

        Yeah, that’s one advantage to not releasing all of your episodes at once. When you release them one by one on TV, you have time to see how your writing plays before an audience and realize what changes you need to make. With the whole season out there at once, Tina Fey and company can’t do anything to address those issues until 2016’s new season.

        One good example of this was what happened to Parks and Recreation between its first and second seasons. The first season was so short that by the time the writers realized they needed to totally rewrite Leslie Knope’s character, it was too late – that’s why there’s such a drastic difference in quality between the two seasons. (I saw one of the showrunners talk about this at school. It was pretty awesome.)

        • Peggy oh!

          Yep! This is what my son and I said to each other! Same example as Parks and Rec, as well, 30 rock I think started with just 6 episodes too.

          I hope they are given a chance. There is a ton of potential in many of the areas and some things just need to go. :/

          • Sibs

            Well, the show was developed for NBC originally, but NBC gave it away to Netflix. And under the terms of its new deal, the show is guaranteed a second season. And this time around, they don’t need to consider broadcast restrictions or network preferences.

            So I’m pretty optimistic about the quality of the show.

            • Peggy oh!

              Oh good! You know I hope they do more with the music parodies. Tina Fey’s husband is a genius at them, and they were one of my favorite aspects of 30 rock. I only remember one from Kimmie Schmidt, and it had me laughing so, so hard. I had to keep pausing to laugh, try to listen, laugh again, etc…

  • piper

    Very astute observation, Paul. The slightest crack and it all falls apart. It’sa totalitarian state which must maintain a specific limited reality. Outside truth then becomes an infectious lie which destroy the good of all!

  • Hana Eltringham Whitfield

    Great observation and understanding of the issues that keep Scientologists blinded to the truth about Hubbard, Miscavige, and their Church. A good Scientologist does not dare to step over the boundary that is patently false. Thank you, Paul Haggis, for your insight and speaking out.

    • Dancing Cranberry

      Great to see you here, Ms. Whitfield. You have done so much for the side of good! I am looking forward to reading your book.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Thank you, too. What an honor!

    • Susan_Poche

      Hello there Hana ~ There is very little information to be found on L. Ron’s boats : I’m looking for photos of the Avon River & found only this one.
      Is this her, Captain? And, do you know, ultimately, what happened to her?

  • Science Doc

    Great idea for a viewing party. Walk to into your local org and determine the brand and model of the video displays. Leave. Acquire remote for that type of display or get an iPhone ap to emulate that remote. Return to the org with a USB wireless video receiver, a portable Wi Fi hotspot, display remote, and iPhone with HBO Go. Ask to see the longest video they have on Dianetics or something. When no one is watching touch the edge of the screen and insert the USB receiver concealed in your palm. Start Going Clear streaming on your iPhone. Using AirDrop connect your iPhone to the USB reciever. Using screen remote select USB port as the input device. Raise the volume using the remote. As the film starts speak very loudly and say, “This is fantastic, I just exteriorized and blew charge”. Gather the staff around you who will assume that this is a new Church video.

    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      Love it, Science Doc… convoluted but inspired!

    • NOLAGirl

      I knew it!! You’re James Bond aren’t you Science Doc? 🙂

      • ScnMonkeyNuts

        No, I reckon Science Doc is Q in disguise 🙂

        • NOLAGirl

          YES! ^^^^This. Forget mine. This one is even better. 🙂

    • Juicer77

      Now all the orgs will be sporting tinfoil windows, hee hee.

    • Or ask to see an ‘introductory’ video and deploy one of these http://www.amazon.com/TV-B-Gone-Universal-Remote-Control-Keychain/dp/B0006GD9CE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1427227649&sr=8-1&keywords=TV+B+Gone to randomly turn off the monitor.

    • ze moo

      The clams will call the police and have you arrested for ‘vandalism’. :Your method does not depend on hacking the server showing the vids, but attaching anything to the monitors is a legal no no. To bad, it is a funny idea.

      • Science Doc

        Here is my other idea. F5

  • One Human

    Last night I was thinking about the similarities between Peoples Temple / Jonestown, and IMHO, Scientology seems like the “from concentrate” version of the 100% pure of Jim Jones monster.
    Is there anyone from wayback or in the know:
    Was there any reaction or opinion from LRH or others at the time to this?

    • Ben Franklin

      I bet LRH’s reaction would have been something like “those are cult members, we have nothing in common with them”

      • One Human

        This is what I’d like to know.
        The treatment of the followers, endless workdays, no time off, people not being allowed to share experiences with each other, public humiliation, paranoia, etc., is starkly similar.

    • Anonymous

      There was a significant effort to separate the idea of Peoples Temple from Scientology in Freedom Magazine and other Scientology publications. Heber Jentzsch was working the rounds of other religious groups trying to create alliances and mutual support networks. There were still more than few Scientology friendly / neutral news outlets at the time and they were heavily bombarded with GO produced packets of propaganda about all the “good works” of Scientology and the hundreds of “Keys to the City,” civic proclamations (L. Ron Hubbard Days) and other largely meaningless “awards” that had been “spontaneously” granted to Hubbard (usually via an aggressive behind the scenes effort by Scientologist volunteers and SO agents.)

      And average Scientologists winked knowingly at each other and described the “media hysteria” linking outfits like the People’s Temple to Scientology as just so much A=A=A.

      • One Human

        Thank you Anonymous.
        I also just discovered the original Cult Awareness Network was established soon after the Jonestown Massacre.

      • Mymy88

        Ah Jesus, that’s so nauseating.

  • Matt in Atlanta

    That “Freedom Media Ethics” twitter feed is fracking hilarious. Only 500 followers. L0L

    • Mark Foster

      …check out ¨Free & Clear Ethics¨ on Twitter. Hilarious comments that slash and burn ¨Freedom Media Ethics¨

      • Mymy88

        Yes! Twitter entity “Free & Clear Ethics” is hilarious. It is designed to specifically make fun of “Freedom Media Ethics”. I wonder who does it? I wonder if it is just one person? Everything they come up with is awesomely funny.

    • Ben Franklin

      The followers are pretty much Scientologists, their organizations and front groups

      • Matt in Atlanta

        I lol @ their collective fail. OT my ass.

      • And people keeping an eye on them.

        • Sid

          This is probably mostly the case I would think.

  • Jgg2012

    Reading about the people still in Scientology reminds me of Ted Cruz’ presidential announcement.
    yesterday. It was made to cheering crowds who enthusiastically supported every wild thing he suggested (like abolishing the IRS). Man, if you were in that room you would think that he was a big being. You would think he has a lot of support. You would think that anything negative about him is a pack of lies. People inside his “bubble” do think that way. Well, he currently trails Hillary Clinton by 15 points (and she has had some negative publicity recently).

    • Matt in Atlanta

      I take great comfort in the knowledge Ted Cruz will never be president. He is unfit for the job.

      • Jgg2012

        But if you travelled with his people, you would think he was god-like. My point is that a lot of people live in a “bubble”, such as people with extreme or partisan political views.

        • Billy Bob

          This is a bubble too. The difference is, everyone here knows that. Everyone here agrees to it. Most here go other places, look at other things, are well aware that possibly only being here unites them in any ideological way with the others here.

    • Moonshot

      Please don’t bring politics into this discussion. It’s not appreciated.

      • One Human

        This helps keep the air around here fresh.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Agree with Moonshot – we are united against the cult, but maybe not in our politics.

  • flyonthewall

    Hey I just figured out a work around for when Discus doesn’t want to post pics, SNAG IT! Here are the three pics it wouldn’t post before. The first is muster, then crowd cheering shark attack and finally students cheering at graduation. I don’t mean to self-promote or beat the lego thing to death but I thought it important to post these as without them it takes away from the story as the characters are seen in other pics not yet posted.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      we love Legos !

      • flyonthewall

        That reminds me! (F5)

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          Yo Quiero Taco Bell

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            i know it fell flat

          • flyonthewall

            ahh, old ad campaigns. My fav is Make 7, Up Yours. Lol

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              mine are the old Rainier Beer commercials,but my all time favorite is the Diet Pepsi commercial that was on VHS the original release of Top Gun with the Jet inverts to pour the diet pepsi. It was the shit in the day !

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              i am a diet pepsi drinker. it used to be for “The Next Generation” lol

            • flyonthewall

              ohh, I’ll have to search for that on you tube. 80’s commercials were hilarious. Especially Sat morning toy and cereal commercials. Man, those were the days

            • D.Y.G.

              Mine is Reebok’s “Terry Tate, Office Linebacker”

              https://youtu.be/Kg5cdZ-Fnpc

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              oh my this really did make me laugh out loud ! love it. would be nice to see good commercials again.

            • flyonthewall

              That was great, I had to call the whole fam in to watch it

        • Sibs

          Technically it’s “Takos” Tuesday (the S is silent).

    • Science Doc

      Everything is awesome!

    • nukethevolcano

      This is the best use of LRH’s ideas that I have ever seen.

      • nukethevolcano

        PS I’d love to see LEGO versions of the hole, the super power rundown, et cetera

        • cathy from encino

          LEGO regging and LEGO sign your kid into the Sea Org.

    • kemist

      If scilons were smart, they’d have switched to Legos instead of clay long ago.

      • flyonthewall

        thank God for stupid scientologists

  • Mymy88

    One of my Google alerts – quote from Freedumb Magazine:

    Alex Gibney – Doctor of Propaganda
    Freedom Magazine
    Watch how with surgical precision Doctor of Propaganda Alex Gibney cuts and slices videotaped footage so his “docudrama” can help failed Texas … (end)

    Sorry, I would have to pull the article up to get the rest. I figured this was enough. Yuck.

    • Billy Bob

      Referring to Alex Gibney as ‘The Doctor’ is too much, I suppose?

    • Drat

      Pretty sure most people will see they have a credibility problem.

    • dungeon master

      This is Awesome! Vintage Propaganda promotion ala Reefer Madness. So retro cool! Who was it that said there’s no such thing as bad publicity?

  • Matt in Atlanta

    Well lets look at this from a factual perspective. Over on the “Freedom Media Ethic’s” twitter page there are as follows. 647 tweets..Following 2…Followers 497… Favorites 7. Then we have on the other hand the MILLIONS of HBO subscribers who may be tuning in Sunday night to view the documentary.Need I say more?

    • Drat

      “Need I say more?”

      Yes. How many of those people are following Freedom for laughs?

      • Mymy88

        Good one! lolololol

      • Freethinker

        I’m one of them!

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X ***
    Houston is leading with the removals followed by Boston and Sac.
    Have you noticed that lately every day is Thursday in co$land?

    Do not forget to vote for the Kittens and Wounded Warriors: http://www.milner.com/jumpstart/jumpstart-tampa
    Consider joining this petition to revoke co$ tax exempt status: https://www.change.org/p/i-r-s-revoke-the-tax-exempt-status-of-the-church-of-scientology

    RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    (F5, …for) Running Cats by Jon Lock enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, and flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15729704632/in/set-72157642802079293

    • dungeon master

      Maybe a full court press in advance of documentary drop date? Hmn. I think you may be right.

    • Juicer77

      http://stockton.craigslist.org/bks/4926396254.html
      Not sure why this one is highlighted? Not a counter-ad.

      • Pierrot

        I wanted to highlight it for its curiosity value.

  • Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization, Inc The 2015 Florida non-profit report is online (Filed Mar 07, 2015). Basically just an address and director list. Some changes:

    Peter Mansell, Barbara Meador: OUT!
    Ben Shaw, Christine Revell: IN!
    Unchanged: Lena Pirak, Glen Stilo, Harvey Jacques.

    Musical chairs, or did someone die?
    http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=CHURCHSCIENTOLOGYFLAGSERVICEOR%207584000&aggregateId=domnp-758400-10576606-ae62-4e07-bad6-add88b9be449&searchTerm=Church%20of%20Scientology%20Flag%20Service%20Organizati&listNameOrder=CHURCHSCIENTOLOGYFLAGSERVICEOR%207584000

    • Missionary Kid

      Someone played Bohemian Rhapsody.

    • chukicita

      i see a little silhouetto of a man…

    • chukicita

      wow, Barbara Meador was on the board of directors since 1995; and Mansell since 2008, according to
      Wikipedia.

  • TonyOrtega

    Hey, gang, I’ll be live on WFMU from 6 to 7 pm. That’s about an hour from now.

    • AnonymousSP

      Enjoy yourself! You always give great interviews.

    • 1subgenius
      • FromPolandWithLove

        Thank You:):):)

      • Sibs

        Just turned it on. Thanks for the link!

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        it just started and he said its second part about Scientology,do you know a link for that ?from last week

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          oh sorry i see it on the list on same page

    • kemist

      Nice.

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Poland is going to listen Mr Ortega 🙂

    • A bird in the chimney

      It’s just started! I have a mug of tea and a puppy to enjoy it with. 🙂

  • 1subgenius

    Its getting to crunch time. Tom’s movie is coming out and of course HBO on Sunday.
    He cannot go on a publicity tour and have no one ask.

    Here’s Why The New Scientology Doc ‘Going Clear’ Calls Out Tom Cruise

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/24/alex-gibney-tom-cruise-scientology_n_6930660.html

    “”Cruise is the big kahuna and that’s why we’ve gone to the trouble of calling him out,” Gibney said at an HBO screening of “Going Clear” on Monday night. “We believe that he has a responsibility to say something about the abuse.”

    Representatives for Cruise were not immediately available for comment.”

    • Jgg2012

      Let me guess. He’ll say “those are just religious bigots” and “David Miscavige is the greatest human being on the planet” and “scientology really helps me”.

      • 1subgenius

        We will see. We will see.
        Clowntime is over.

      • Billy Bob

        If TC defends he loses. If he attacks he loses worse. ‘No Comment’ is his best answer. How does ‘No Comment’ make him look?

        • Mrs. V.

          I think it looks like he’s got his eyes and ears shut tight and is refusing to see what is right in front of his face. I’d hope that if it was exposed that his best friend, who was the best man at his wedding, was abusing people and holding them hostage at the expense of the tax payers he’d act like a “humanitarian” and say something.

          • Billy Bob

            Ah… it makes him look like a clam. 🙂

        • Jgg2012

          “no comment” makes him look like he’s happy staying in the bubble.

    • Mrs. V.

      Not even to pump out the same old thing, eh? He could at least offer an insincere apology.

      • Sibs

        Not if it means being a meanie to his bestie best fwend.

    • Drat

      It’s possible that he does not know what a normal response would be unless it’s scripted.

      • kemist

        Yes, too much “processing” does seem to fuck up normal human emotional responses.

    • Lucille Austero

      I love the douchy too-much-botox & filler pic that accompanies the article!

      • Rita Gregory

        Cruise is starting to look like he has chipmunk cheeks.

    • Sid

      “Representatives for Cruise were not immediately available for comment.”

      The rest of the population was quick to let us know their opinion though.

      http://media.giphy.com/media/yGsUnhOPC1F9S/giphy.gif

      • Sibs

        That’s when Amanda Bynes’s character tells Emma Stone’s character that she is going to answer to a higher power, right? I haven’t seen the movie in a while.

  • sugarplumfairy

    I just read all the comments generated by those awesome lrh quotes about Mike Rinder.. You people are frking funny!! Just want to say I’m so proud to be part of the bunker..

    • Sibs

      I want to comment but I don’t want to add to that thread in case it adds to that guy’s stats. Those quotes should confirm for anyone on the fence that DM’s letter yesterday was not a fluke, because they’re in the same vein… then again, I doubt they’re really examining their own words that hard.

  • A bird in the chimney

    Bunker friends, help if you can please. I’ve been traveling thus out of the everyday loop here (something I really miss, I gotta say!) and I lost the thread if there had been a decision about a NYC viewing party for Going Clear. Am I jumping the gun asking? or have I missed the yes/no announcement about having one? Thank you!

    *listening to Tony’s interview from yesterday and looking forward to today’s. Exciting times in Bunkerland. 🙂

    • Baby

      Bird.. I didn’t want you to feel ignored.. I just don’t know what is going on in NYC.. I’ve been in and out too.. sorry birdie..

      • A bird in the chimney

        Awww, thank you, Baby. It’s appreciated. I’m sure I’ll find out eventually just hopefully not too late. 😉

        • MaxSpaceman

          You need to e-mail Tony or Scot and ask them

          • A bird in the chimney

            Thank you! 🙂

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Paul Haggis’s statement is one of the most honest and insightful pieces I have ever had the privilege to read. Tony, thank you for publishing it.

  • René Kraaz

    The Interview on WBAI is great, wow!

    • i-Betty

      I was just coming here to say exactly the same thing. I’ve only just been able to listen to it and it’s Tony’s best interview, I think.

      • NOLAGirl

        I got all my supplies for my sign Betty (you do know about this right??..Miss Tia posted about it this AM)..I almost bought glitter. LOL I restrained myself though. 😀

        • i-Betty

          Ooh? Sign? I like signs!

          • NOLAGirl

            Set comments to Oldest and check out Miss Tia’s post from this AM about the videos and signs people are making. 🙂

        • Miss Tia

          NO GLITTER?!?!?!?!??!!?!?

          • NOLAGirl

            Well, a little glitter. I got red, white & blue foam stars that are glittery. So…a little, but not the hundreds of colors I wanted to buy. I love me some sparkle. 😀

        • Miss Tia

          skittles just barfed AGAIN……i could put some skittles barf on mine but that wouldn’t be in the spirit of the activity….oooo….i could make a sign for OSA and tweet it!! this is what skittles thinks of you OSA!!! 😀

          • Mymy88

            Poor baby putter tat. Please give little Skittles a scratchins from me to her favorite scratchins spot.

  • Vaquera

    I just found this pic on a sciloon’s FB page…and I ruined my own keyboard. There must be a lot of Co$ adherents feeling the same way. (f5)

    • Just tell them to wait until Thursday.

  • anoni81b4u

    On a broader note, other than just scientology.

    • Miss Tia

      well shit, if it wasn’t for my imaginary friends i’d have very lonely days….oh wait, i can keep ’em….i’ll just have the dumbz…..

      ps: i believe in santa…..

  • CobGatYour$$

    Bunks, I said it before, Going Clear will be the definitive evidence that cannot be ignored. Just like Blackfish was to Seaworld, Going Clear will be to Scientology! How about The Durst doc? Oh, oh little wobbly, cobby will be indefensible, just like all of us who went to Seaworld for years, now no longer will ever step foot in it again BECAUSE WE KNOW THE EVIL UNDERSIDE OF BRINGING THIS FABULOUS SEA PARK FOR OUR BENEFIT! The masses will know the evil underside of what it takes to KSW!

  • Baby

    Bunker Has you back Paul..Thanks for standing up! From the Far Side

    • Elle

      Gary Larson rocks!

  • Todd Tomorrow
    • Baby

      ONE of my absolute favorite videos Todd.. She is one feisty lady..haha.. Good Lord making her walk around ” POLICE OVER HERE.. LRH DOESN’T RULE MY LIFE..” BAD PEOPLE..BAD…

      • SNAFU

        F5

        • Baby

          bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwahahaa OMG.. I LOVE IT XO

        • Mockingbird

          Fucking hilarious – I am SO stealing this for the indies who always just hammer me with ad hominem rather than ever look at their demented demigod and dark messiah !

          Personal attacks are NOT a great way to examine claims and use logic and critical thinking to advance knowledge logically in my opinion !

          By ever getting through that I may be able to start a real conversation . They are so conditioned and implanted go ” attacking Hubbard or tech = bad person with hidden crimes and evil intentions from whole track incidents driving him insane now ” on a stimulus response basis !!! UGHHH !!!

      • Mymy88

        Annnnnd, speaking of Benny Hill, (thank you Elle) this is for you Smoking Baby. “Dog Not Allowed on the Bed”. To watch the video, please remember to take the space out of the link. I hope you’ve not already seen this.

        https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=Jtnrae8EE_Y

    • Elle

      This would have made a good Benny Hill skit.

    • i-Betty

      “L. Ron Hubbard does not rule anybody’s life! Bad people. Bad people!”

      I love her.

    • Mymy88

      hahahahaha Oh boy, that hit my funny bone for sure. BAD PEOPLE… BAD PEOPLE!

  • Elle

    Paul Haggis is truly masterful when he describes ‘the prision of belief” in his piece. The last paragraph is magnificent.

  • Sibs

    Tony’s on WFMU right now!

    • Vaquera

      “Snakes are not dangerous to you.”

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Headlines I hope to see soon:

    • Elle

      A million up votes. Brilliant!!

    • Mrs. V.

      My second favorite fantasy, after winning the lottery.

    • NOLAGirl

      Pan, you are in my brain. Help yourself to the booze. 😀

      • Mark Foster

        and keep the carburetor clean… 🙂

        • NOLAGirl

          Hehehe! I have something funny to tell you about that. I’ll catch you on an older thread this weekend. ; )

          • Mark Foster

            Hey, I´m outta here for another long stretch. Won´t be around Sunday, but enjoy the hoopla and keep the fire burning under Demented Munchkin´s ass!

            • NOLAGirl

              Will do. Holler at us when you get back. (((hugs)))

      • Miss Tia

        HEY!!! Shhh!!! I went thru pollen-land, now my eyes are burning….and i have eddie’s laptop….thank fuck i synched my firefox so i didn’t have to remember my passwords but i’m not use to sitting here with a laptop…..fucking desktop….this is amazing….i can have the internets and email open AT THE SAME TIME!! HOLY SHIT!! i bet i could play music too…..

        • MrsLurksALot

          Enjoy the moment!

          • Miss Tia

            i think i might be borrowing this more often than not….i spent hours this afternoon trying to get on the internet….thunderbird was fine…..even d/l-ed chrome….dunno what malfunction THAT is….didn’t matter what it was: firefox, ie, chrome, couldn’t access any sites….time warner said my internet was fine—which made sense as i could email and the laptop is connected a-okay…..i’m blaming skittles for this…..though i know that’s not fair…. 🙂

            • NOLAGirl

              Don’t let Skittles read that post. LOL 🙂

            • Miss Tia

              she just fucking barfed AGAIN and since i’m not use to trying to balance a laptop i almost dropped it….oh she knows how i feel right now…..fucking MORE barf!! FFS!!!

            • NOLAGirl

              Good lawd, is she ok?

            • Miss Tia

              i think she’s just stuck in a vomiting cycle….i have metaclopramide [sic] here at home for nausea/upset tummies but she’s one the kitties i can’t medicate….i told poli went to the vet so she can’t go so best knock this shit off…..(i totally jinxed it, i was talking about my vet bill with last night and said shhh they’ll KNOW and FUCK, i just thought of that….)…of course yes, if she needs to, i’ll drag her ass to the vet to get a shot of anti-naseau stuff—can’t think, pollen monster got me bad when i went to eddie’s…..and they could also give her the steroid shot for her itchies since she’s got that going on too…..i better go tell everyone to PLEASE try to not get sick for a bit—-if cats could roll eyes, mine would be champs!! 😀 they’ll probably gather tonight and figure out who’ll get what!!! depending what it is (and if i can medicate them) i DO have some meds at home on hand—the vet lets me have some things here since they know me so well and i can dx SOME things and i always call them and verify, tell them what i’m starting, etc….

              damn…..i cannot believe maple tree pollen got me this bad!!! the crows were in my trees this evening but no way i was gonna open my back window to video them cuz i would have been dying….

    • i-Betty

      How on earth did you get the artist’s impression on the last one? Extra brilliant, Pan!

    • funnybroad

      Whoa! These are a-m-a-z-i-n-g!!!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You just keep climbing to new heights, Pan.

  • Basketballjane

    Paul has managed to sum up succinctly what it is like to be trapped inside. And the brilliance of the trap is before you know it you are trapping yourself. No one has to tell you. When I was in 9th grade I was living in Eureka, CA. We had just moved there a year earlier and I was the new girl. I had made friends with a few people and my bestie, Nathan had a long time BFF Kirk who lived right next door to me. Nate came over every day. We did everything together. I was a MAJOR idiot and I did not know that he was secretly in love with me. I just thought he was mega cool. Well the fact that Nate and I were palling around all the time really got under Kirk’s skin, especially when I told Nate that he should not do drugs or smoke pot. (As a note, Eureka is in Humbolt county. America’s Pot Growing Capital. I was LITERALLY the only kid who was NOT growing marijuana on my property. So I was SUPER popular with my say no to drugs stance.) One day Kirk came up to me with a shit eating grin and told me that my religion had made the cover of TIME magazine and that I should go check it out. I got a pass to the library and ran there I was so EXCITED!!!!
    When I saw the cover I thought it was a misprint. A joke. The CULT of GREED?? WHAT?? NO!! NO WAY!. I snatched it off the shelf and I was such a rebel I just stole it from the Library. (Sorry Eureka High School. I am NOT paying that 25 year overdue fee!) I went into a bathroom and proceeded to read the entire article. My heart was palpitating and I was sweating. I immediately got sick. I thought this is it. I am going to get Cancer and die right now. Why did I read that?? Why did I look at this entreat? I knew “LOOKING” at OT materials was a sure and swift death yet I did it any way. I must be an SP. I am a terrible person.
    I brought it home to my mother. She was upset about the whole thing. But none of her reassurances would put me at ease. I was sure I was going to get cancer right then and die. We called my godfather who was on OT VII at the time. I told him what I read and he hysterically laughed at me and told me in no way was that was what was on OTIII so don’t worry about it.
    Years later I talked to my dad about it (SUPER LONG STORY but he disappeared for almost 2 years so he was unavailable to help me then.) And he said, “Well you are a Last Lifetime Clear so chances are you are already OTIII anyway so it can’t hurt you.” Ahhhh my dad always with the pearls of wisdom and reassurance shoving me deeper and DEEPER into Scientological bullshit.
    I beat myself up FOR YEARS about that incident. I got several sec checks regarding it. I ran Evil purposes about it.
    And that my friends is the trap. Once you believe, once you “know” Scientology, there is no other truth. There is no other data and you will keep yourself in the deep end, drowning in lies and propaganda until someone reaches in there and pulls you out.
    That is what we are all doing here at the Bunker, on Twitter, on YouTube, on our Blogs. Many of us realized we were in that pool, drowning and clawed our way out. Some of us had help. But ALL of us out here, standing on the edge of the pool need to strap on our life preservers and jump in and keep dragging people out to safety. These last guys are wearing weights down there and they don’t have too much time left.

    • May they learn from you that courage and nobility of spirit that will lead them out of CoS as well.

    • Juicer77

      This breaks my heart, BBJane. Many of us never-ins will keep jumping in, too.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      BBJane this breaks my heart also. Thank you for that explanation of the prison of belief. I am so glad you are free.

  • MaxSpaceman

    To listen to Tony O interview, live stream is here. (I selected i-Tunes to play the stream) http://wfmu.org/ssaudionet.shtml

    • Vaquera

      He’s doing a great job.

      • I didn’t know Hubbard thought he was going to win a nobel prize for the purif as a grug addiction cure XD

        • Vaquera

          a new nugget everyday.

        • Miss Tia

          that’s in going clear i think…..i’m rereading that and also reading BFM…..i just that in the past 2 days though, pretty sure it’s in going clear….

          • Vaquera

            I was a bit star-struck by the crowd when I saw GC in the theater in Austin, so I missed some of the points the movie made. Can’t wait to see it again on Sunday.

            • Miss Tia

              i know i’m gonna wanna watch it twice…..

        • ze moo

          When an snake oil salesman begins to believe in his snake oil, the end is near.

    • Vaquera

      I haven’t yet listened to Tony’s interview from last night. Is the info substancially different from what we just heard on WFMU? (in other words, should I listen to it, too?)

      • The only thing that was new to me in yesterday’s interview was Tony mentioning off-handedly that he was working on a story about a “Bible-based” mind control group. I got all excited!

        • Vaquera

          All cults! All the time!!

          • Woohoo!
            Ahem.
            *smooths skirt and regains composure*

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Woh.

        • Rita Gregory

          Exciting!

      • MaxSpaceman

        Nat said it good. And if it’s getting late, you’re evening’s winding down, and you’re having 1 more for the road-to-bed, then- yeah I’d listen to it.

  • Cosmo Pidgeon

    Superbly written description of the Scientology experience. Thank you Paul Haggis. For so many of us that cannot find the words.

  • Sibs

    Whenever anyone says that LRH was brilliant, I think of Olivander telling Harry Potter that Voldemort was a great man. “Terrible, yes, but great.”

  • Snake Plissken

    When the interviewer mention a guy from the CCHR having a meltdown about psychiatric drugs in 1999, he’s probably referring to Heber Jentzsch

    • Sherbet

      I was thinking the same thing, but was he too high level for that radio show?

      • Snake Plissken
        • Sherbet

          Did you ever see him on the Donohue show?

          • Snake Plissken

            Yeah but it’s been awhile Mark Bunker used to have a link to it on his XenuTV site

            • Sherbet

              I wanted to be embarrassed for Heber.

            • Snake Plissken

              The difference between a guy like Heber and a guy like Miscavige is, Miscavige knows it’s a complete scam for him it’s an ego trip, whereas Heber really believed the nonsense he was spewing, to the point it drove him insane.

            • Sherbet

              I think that’s a good analogy.

          • squirrel

            That was priceless. Donahue came right out and said “you asked to have no detractors share the stage with you, so SOMEone has to ask the hard question. Guess that’s me.” Paraphrasing, but it was a oil moment. Heber had steam coming out of his ears.

            Odd really, so,e of the footage these guys leave in their wake. Frothing at the mouth over psychiatry and the effects of anti-psychotic drugs, but behaving like rage infected 28 Days Later Scinadoes. It’s an odd juxtaposition.

  • Sibs

    What a description of the IRS meeting (with Marty and Fred Goldberg).

  • Observer

    Man, what Tony is saying about the tax exemption blackmail by Scientology is appalling. I hadn’t heard some of these details. The hammer needs to drop!

    • Vaquera

      I’m digging the guy who is conducting interview; he prepared well.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      This is why I occasionally throw Fred Goldberg Jr. out to you all to chew on. Most just go “whaaa is that?”

      He went on to Washington DC lobbying and now a mega Washington law firm – and has always been some kind of “consultant” to the U.S. government for – guess what? – 501C entitites.

      Fred Goldberg Jr. is a Master Hole Maker.

      http://i.imgur.com/S2mIF1K.gif

      • Observer

        I’m rage shooping now

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Well, that one’s going to be awesome.

      • Category:Fred Goldberg 18 pages are in this category

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Bows to the east, and west.

    • NOLAGirl

      I’m in the middle of cooking right now and can’t listen (there is too much ‘bracket talk’ going on around me). Will it be available to listen to tomorrow, does anyone know?

      • Observer

        It’s over now, but I’m sure Tony will post a link if it’s available later.

        • NOLAGirl

          TY Obs. Would you like some bacon? It’s “breakfast for dinner” night here. 🙂

          • i-Betty

            I love breakfast for dinner night! Ours consists of bacon, mushroom and fried halloumi (the Cypriot sheep’s cheese that squeaks when you bite it) baguettes. Nom, nom, nom.

            • NOLAGirl

              Mmmmm! Sounds delicious. 🙂

          • Observer

            Mmmmm, bacon!

    • D.Y.G.

      I couldn’t listen to the show. Can someone share some details about this?

  • StudentOfLife

    Finally got free to catch up on my daily fix of the Bunkerite’s wisdom, you learn a lot more than how crazy the $cilons are. Maybe this is a repeat but HuffPost just did a headline, Here’s Why Going Clear calls out Tom Cruise: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/24/alex-gibney-tom-cruise-scientology_n_6930660.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

  • MaxSpaceman

    That’s the thing that kills — people can pick up Dianetics in 2015 and *still* say, Yeah- that speaks to me, that’s really helpful, and … and… It’s a Ripley’s Believe It Or Not! level of amazing how that can still happen 65 years after he wrote it.

    • Billy Bob

      I read somewhere that you can’t have a scientific psychology until you have a really good understanding of brain physiology. There is no pocket sized theory of psychology that people can carry around. Engrams? Reactive bank? Sounds good to me. Bite sized, ya know?

    • I didn’t recognize you with your new duds.

      I agree. With all the science out there and how readily accessible it is, I suspect that the people who fall for it are not the “able” people that Scientology is always on the hunt for.

    • Mrs. V.

      Bind blowing.

  • MaxSpaceman

    The audio from Gibney’s piece is Oscar quality Sound Recording & Sound Editing.!

    ETA: after the host thanked Tony O and ended the interview, the program ran 2 minutes of audio from the documentary.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Was just thinking the same. When you start out with an omg master, it really shows when it gets played on anything else, anywhere and still makes you feel things.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Yes- the instant it started playing you felt it ! It’s part of why Alex Gibney is a World Class film-maker. And it makes the impact of its showing, on any platform, all the more powerful.

  • Sibs

    Great job, Tony!

    Shall we clear off more seats for some new arrivals from New Jersey?

  • Snake Plissken

    I think I’ll give the cult a call the date after Going Clear airs on HBO to see if it is available on DVD yet and if they have a copy in stock that I can purchase.

    • Sid

      Ask them if their new movie Going Clear was made at KCET Studios.

      • Observer

        I like the way you think!

        • Sid

          Maybe a post on one of their Facebook pages, “Lots of amazing stuff happening these days. New KCET Studios to really ramp things up and a new movie Going Clear playing on HBO soon. Was it shot at the new studio? I’m so excited to see it!!!!!!!”

          • i-Betty

            Just for you 🙂

            F5

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol.. Good job, Betty!

            • Sid

              I’ll have to dig out some screen grabs of a conversation on Facebook I had recently with some hard core Scientologists. Fun.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Those should be fun.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Good Exclamation Tech! Grammar and syntax are a little too sound, though. It needs at least one baffling error.

            • i-Betty

              Heehee! I did a straight copy-paste of what Sid said, so blame him for the excellent grammar 😀

            • NOLAGirl

              Hehehe!! That is so perfect Betty, did any of them respond?

            • i-Betty

              No, because the great thing is that until you expand the comment all that can be seen is “Lots of amazing stuff happening these days. New KCET Studios to really ramp things up and a new….” and that’s it! I don’t know how often Sci NY checks their FB page but I’m laying £5 this one stays up for 2 days which will break all my previous records by 40 hours 😛

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            wickedly good

      • L. C. Spencer

        Would love to see some brave college kid with little to lose actually go into an org and ask for this. Wonder how long they could keep up the wide-eyed, innocent “but I’ve read you have a new movie” routine. *snerk*

        “But… but I was told you have a new Tom Cruise movie! I love Tom Cruise! And John Travolta guest stars? Please, I gotta have a copy of that! It’ll be better than Battlefield Earth!”

        If he had a hidden camera you KNOW that shit would go viral. Hell, Jimmy Kimmel ought to hire an actor just to do this. It could be a sensation.

        • Mrs. V.

          Please? Please? Please?

    • One Human

      We have time, this would make a great op!!

  • ScnMonkeyNuts

    Ok, another early(ish 🙂 ) night, another 60s icon for all the good Bunker folk out there–enjoy! F5 🙂

    • i-Betty

      Good night 🙂

      PS. It’s so nice to have you here. You’re a credit to the Bunker.

      • ScnMonkeyNuts

        Thank you i–Betty, I think the Binkerites are great with their J&D and intelligent posting–I’m happy to be part of the family! (I lurked for ages before making my first post!)

    • Juicer77

      Get some rest! Day -4 will be even bigger.

      • ScnMonkeyNuts

        Thanks Juicer–the anticipation’s building!

  • Great interviews, both of them Tony.

  • MaxSpaceman

    From Huff Post. Can’t see this enough! Prolly’ll post this evur day til Sundee.

    “”Cruise is the big kahuna and that’s why we’ve gone to the trouble of
    calling him out,” Gibney said at an HBO screening of “Going Clear” on
    Monday night. “We believe that he has a responsibility to say something
    about the abuse.”

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Great!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Tony talked with the WMFU host briefly about all scientologists believe they are on a mission. We did. It stemmed from the 60’s, but by the 70’s, chanting over beads and planting flowers in the garden was noticed to not be working so much. Organizations with humanitarian bents grew or formed. There were other humanitarian organizations you could join, CARE was one. So those who came in to scientology during these decades were often there believing they were on a humanitarian mission. The 80’s – I don’t know what the heck happened to the 80’s. But I found this interesting factoid about current groups on a mission:

    “According to the Yearbook of International Organizations, there were about 26,000 international NGOs by the year 2000, compared with 6,000 in 1990. The US alone has about 2 million NGOs, 70% of which are more than 30 years old. India has about 1 million grassroots groups, while more than 100,000 NGOs sprang up in Eastern Europe between 1989 and 1995. “As a group, NGOs now deliver more aid than the whole United Nations system.”3 Some observers estimate that the total funding channelled through NGOs worldwide is in excess of US$ 8.5 billion per year. “4 [my bold]

    http://graduateinstitute.ch/files/live/sites/iheid/files/sites/political_science/shared/political_science/3205/Ferris_Faith-based%20and%20secular%20humanitarian%20organizations.pdf

    If that $8.5 billion figure is accurate, I can’t help wonder if they know that the scientology organization may have close to $3 billion, helping no one but a lone Lobbs shoe customer and Tom Cruise’s BFF. Maybe they’d be interested in helping with the yeoman’s work of amending the requirements for All 501C3’s to make their financials an open book – and next step – fair and balanced taxing. Gah, the waste is revolting.

    • Sid

      I may have been one of the few in Scientology who didn’t want to ‘be on a mission’. I just wanted better eyesight as promised in Dianetics, and to be able to communicate better with girls. I never wanted to be an auditor and freely said so, even though Ron said you have to be a good auditor to be OT. I guess I did eventually want some of the OT abilities promised but that wasn’t what got me in. I also wanted to be a bit happier. I expressed these things at times but was told I had “hidden standards” (in Scientology that is what you would need to see to believe it works and is considered a bad thing for some reason). Not so hidden though as it was promised in the books. Still, it was my fault in the end and they let me know it. I got none of what was promised at all.

      • Juicer77

        Good input also, Sid. I got better eyesight through laser surgery, and, as a chick, I can testify that your comm skillz are just fine!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I always thought you were a dude. Funny how that works:)

          • Juicer77

            I’m the wind, baby.

            • Rasha

              No one rules the Tom-Monster!

        • Sid

          Still shy with the ladies.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Yeah, I know what you mean. My sex life is so bad I carry a picture of my right hand around in my wallet!

            • Mymy88

              I didn’t get that and don’t think I want to, anyway LOL!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Then you’ll attract a lady that likes her men shy.

            • Sid

              Fortunately I have a wonderful lady who loves me with all my peccadilloes.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Well, there ‘ya go.

      • Ben Franklin

        I hear you Sid.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I have to go with you as far as this “wanting to be godlike” thing – maybe it’s the new thing. But it’s funny that you had to feel bad for wanting to get help. As far as the craaazy gung ho cheerleaders, I slowly backed away when they entered the rooms. They were just as bad as the mongrel execs. I’m sure you had the full blown ethics “handlings” to get over wanting what you Really wanted! lol.

  • On PR Web: “Church of Scientology Los Angeles Helping the Community Prepare for Disaster”

    Surprisingly, they’re not talking about Going Clear in five days.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I hope they are helping them get ready for a real estate fire sale. Move the clams all back to Florida!

      • And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place

      • beauty for ashes

        Noooo it’s bad enough here!

    • Sid

      Scientology Disaster Preparation

      -putting an extra 2 Sea Org staff out on the street due to body routing fails
      -locking Org execs’ bathroom door to prevent toilet paper theft
      -allowing back door of Org kitchen to be unlocked so that working children can be filed out if Children Services pays a visit
      -starting staff pay deductions early to ensure David Miscavige gets a birthday present better than the previous year
      -getting Duggan to buy up all the new Mission Impossible movie tickets so that staff can see if 23 times each

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Funny you mention Duggan. My only lure to the church was I had the impression that it was filled with smart people. At the time I was very successful and the people around me were not interested in making money. Don’t know why. Anyway, I’ve gone from Riches to Rags and back and forth again. But at the time I just had a lust for learning. All my friend’s just partied. Anyway, never did go in!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Saw the headlines; thought deep thoughts:)

    • Mymy88

      LOL Right. Well they should be!

  • nottrue

    • romanesco

      If I’m not mistaken, those things need 100,000 signatures in 30 days to be considered.

      • Ben Franklin

        You would be surprised by how many people out there hate giving tax breaks to rich religious organizations. The key is just spreading out the word. If you can get the campaign on radio or TV stations, it may even take only a few weeks to reach the target.

        ETA: Even if you don’t get to 100,000, I think that the publicity that may come out of the campaign is priceless.

        • romanesco

          True. Also, Obama has stated that closing tax loopholes is a priority for him. There may be something about that on the petition site.

          • Ben Franklin

            With all the current media coverage of Going Clear, and Alex Gibney often calling for the review of CoS tax exemption. I think it is doable. All we have to do is spread out the word to all media channels as much as possible.

            • romanesco

              Could work. Now would be the best chance yet.

    • May_West

      It would probably get enough signatures if the petition info was added to the end of Going Clear when it runs.

      • Zana

        Good idea.

    • Zana

      Great!

    • cathy from encino

      Thank you for posting this. I suggest we start hitting this HARD right after the 29th. And please post this every day here because with 1600 comments, a lot of people might miss it.

  • Billy Bob

    501Cs should be taxed like this: charitable expenditures are a deduction at 1.5 times the total of charitable expense. Revenues in excess of that deduction, revenues not net income, are taxed at the corporate rate. Open books, auditable, annual report, dissemination is not a charitable expense.

    • Juicer77

      Sounds reasonable to me.

    • EnthralledObserver

      I’ve never understood that if the Government is going to let an organisation off paying taxes why they wouldn’t impose extra abilities to police the activities of that organisation and complete access to financial records – to prevent abuse of such privileges. Duh!

  • Observer

    refresh
    .

    • MaxSpaceman

      Beautiful 🙂

    • Juicer77

      You watched last night’s rerun, didn’t you? 😉

      • Observer

        Nope. 🙂 This one has been on my list of ideas for quite awhile, and suddenly it was time to do it.

        • Juicer77

          (*Twilight Zone music plays*)

          • Observer

            The haunting Torgo theme would work too.

    • i-Betty

      That tiny lil head is small enough to squish with one hand. That would be one stress-buster I’d gladly buy.

      • Miss Tia
        • i-Betty

          “Hail to you, wretched bike courier!” is a classic line!

      • Baby

        I have the perfect solution Betty .. I will send you a bracelet that says.. ” WWBD”

        ( What would Baby do) It will be all clear to you.. ( Clear..ugh)

    • Observer

      For those who aren’t familiar with this Twilight Zone episode, here’s a short clip that gives the gist.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NucO2no7Xk

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      “It won’t talk to me unless I pay”. So true, so true.

    • beauty for ashes

      That Davey head is eerie!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Shatner! What a pimp he is.

  • Sherbet

    This is a test of voice recognition.

    • Observer

      I don’t hear anything.

      • Sherbet

        Heck, this is hard work.

        • i-Betty

          Do you have to say “heck comma this is hard work fullstop”? Or I guess you would say ‘period’, actually.

          • Sherbet

            Yes, you have to give the punctuation.

        • Baby

          Sherb.. I did the voice thing on my phone for text.. OMG…

          ” Honey? this is ( giggle, giggle..) ( talking to daughter behind me) Wait..Is this what.. Mom just keep talking.. Well OMG why isn’t it typing.. Mom it will you have to give it a second to record.. OK..Hi honey..I am tryin ( giggle, giggle) Mom.. quit laughing.. I can’t ..giggle giggle..

          Honey ok I am using this voice .. Katie what do I call this thing.. Mom it types everything you say.. ( giggle giggle)

          Let’s just say I TEXT now.. sigh

          • Baby

            OH.. and I sent it to my hubby.. My voice typing..My daughter”s voice typing..my laughing.. pausing..starting over…and he called me and said..

            ” What the hell are you trying to tell me?”

            • Juicer77

              True story: voice guided GPS, four of us in a rental car in San Francisco trying to find Lombard Street, going up and down these insane hills. The only thing that showed up on the screen was “HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.” Good times!

            • Baby

              hahhahaha.. Yep! I forgot that I said Shit like 10 times

            • Sherbet

              So funny!

    • Mrs. V.

      Win!

    • i-Betty

      Hooray, superb!

    • Dancing Cranberry

      So far so good! Hang in there, Sherbet.

    • EnthralledObserver

      I don’t recognise your voice… but I guess so long as you do. 😉

    • beauty for ashes

      Yeah! You can doit! Congratulations!

    • Robert Eckert

      Tease us a toast of vice wrecking nation?

      • Rasha

        His sister best of boys check ignition

  • Sherbet

    Can’t stay now, just practicing.

    • Juicer77

      If my computer starts talking, I’m throwing it out the window!

      • i-Betty

        Hur hur 😛

      • Miss Tia

        i got a 10# sledgehammer!! 😀

        • Juicer77

          That’ll do it! How’s that kitteh doing? Any more spit ups?

          • Miss Tia

            yes, several more….damn cat….someone else, i suspect my little assassin windsor threw up in the bathroom….BARFDAY!!! file photo of windsor….he’s my little assassin as he always tries to trips me—ON THE STAIRS…..

            • Juicer77

              Poor baby. Has she ever been diagnosed with GERD or acid reflux? My vet prescribed a tiny dose of Prevacid before meals for my elderly kitty. It really helped.
              What a handsome boy! Stealth stair trippers! Why do they do that, they know the noms will stop coming if we fall down?!?

            • Miss Tia

              Skittles has always thrown up randomly….i have her spawn—i got skittles and spawn when neighbors moved out of state (they CLAIMED they looked for other homes but i know they didn’t, they got hauled down here…..at least they didn’t dump them!!)…anyway her spawn ALSO throw up….the vet thinks it’s just something genetic and since they’re otherwise healthy as long as they still eat, are hydrated and they just randomly will throw up everything every other day or so, to just consider that ‘normal’….i have always had, it seems, kitties with issues…..but random barfing is rather mild compared to some of the others they could have!!

              Windsor is a very handsome boy!! i have told him REPEATEDLY through the years if he kills me he won’t get fed….he just gives me a IDGAF look and struts off….but then he can be very very sweet and loving…..—just NOT on the stairs!!!!! a hood kid brought me windsor when he was about 6 weeks old…they found him almost about to cross tallmadge avenue (4 lane road)….he’s been terrorizing me ever since….

            • Juicer77

              You have a good heart for the special needs kittehs!

            • Miss Tia

              thanks Juicer77!! i always claim that there’s some force in the universe that sends ’em my way because i will get them help whereas in many instances others wouldn’t do that….some people wouldn’t even treat diabetes in a cat!! i can’t even imagine! (i’ve had 3, so far, who had diabetes)…..epilepsy, feline leukemia, 3 legs, asthma, high blood pressure, IBS, UTI, bladder stones, blocked urethra, of course end of life—kidney failure, etc 🙁 i’m very fortunate my vet lets me run a bill!! and at least only one of my dogs is high maintenance! 🙂

            • Zana

              You are a wonderful inter-species mother. !! We love our little guys. I had 9 cats at one time. Inherited 4 from my brother (who passed away), had 3 of my own and then inherited two from neighbors. They are WONDERFUL. All with distinct personalities. I finally figured out that they were taking care of ME, not me taking care of them. 🙂

            • Miss Tia

              i’ve had more than cats that before…i took in some unwed mothers and their children…..Martha and her kids—sadly all her kids predeceased her (Martha is still here); Clyde and her kids—Clyde passed last year and so have 2 of her kids, a friend has one of her kids and I still have one (I ended up with 3); Skittles—who neighbors gave me when they moved out of state with her spawn, i HAD taken her kitten Mabuse from one of her batch of kittens (They never got her fixed and let her outside!!! I got her fixed and my cats stay in) because I delivered her–she was breech and I had to pull her out, break the sack open and rub her and give her CPR til she started to breath, i said “I will take this kitten when she’s 8 weeks”, cuz i mean, well i delivered her and brought her to life…..but she had a few other spawn….Chocolate died in the fall from a blood clot (Their kids named them–skittles, chocolate, oreo) and i had taken minnow & melon…..i have a feral kitty—Gypsy Boots—who put me in the ER for surgery about 8 years ago after she repeatedly bit me….she is fixed and she has friends in the group…..she’s just FERAL….at least she’s inside, warm, fed, watered, has friends and i love her—though she hates that….gosh, i could tell you about all of ’em, i don’t wanna blather and bore ya!

              you are so right! they all have distinct personalities!! their own favorites, ‘issues’, likes, dislikes, and personalities….anyone who thinks all cats are the same does not know cats!! same with dogs!!! i am always thankful my poliahu is my ‘tank’—even though she got dx’d with mild arthritis the other day she’s not a high maintenance bitch like my panacea! that dog is allergic to i think AIR….chronic skin infections, yeast in her ears, deathly allergic to bees—epipens at the ready spring thru fall….i tell her every night when i put in clean bedding in her crate that i dunno who else would cater to her skin conditions….and because SHE gets a clean blanket every night, poli has to too!! insert eye….dogs are like little kids at times!! VERY co-dependent…..

            • Zana

              Awww…amazing mommy. I had a kitty-child with skin stuff and I used organic lavender oil directly on her skin…it helped. You might get some at the health food store… be SURE it’s LAVENDER and NOT Lavendin. Lavendin is not good… Lavender is phenomenal for any skin stuff. It works on me, the scent is very calming, and it worked on my first kitty cat, Ocean. Not sure how it will be on your little guy, however, try it on a little bit and see if it eases her skin infections.

              Thanks for all that you do out here. You’re amazing.

            • Miss Tia

              Pan is one of my doggies—I have 2, Poli & Pan….Pan is actually hypersensitive to essential oils too!! The vet once recommended tea tree oil, she got HIVES….he said to be safe, to never ever try any other oil again…when she gets a bath, it has to be diluted baby shampoo and then a diluted vinegar rinse…..probably typing this up about her is giving her a rash!!! (i’m half joking!!)…..i’ve asked if it’s food related, what can i do, and it’s not food related, he said i just got ‘lucky’ again and got a dog with extreme skin allergies—plus her deathly bee allergy…..

              i did aromatherapy with some of my kitties before…when Mystiqua had fatty liver and i was trying to stimulate her appetite i put some grape fruit juice oil in the dispenser in the kitchen where she hung out, I think it helped her for awhile before her disease became too much…..i’ve used lavender oil in dispensers to help calm them too…..

              like i said, i just think there’s some force in the world that has given me my crew as not many people would go to the extent—and expense—as i do….but as long as they have quality of life, i could never EVER not do everything possible for them—especially if they haven’t given up….and when they DO give up, no matter how hard it is, i always respect that and we make the difficult trip to the vet—gosh even thinking about all those trips is making me tear up…..

            • Zana

              I have had many of those trips as well. I wait until they tell me…when it’s too difficult for them to move their bodies around…then we go together and I love them across. Part of it’ heart wrenching and part of it is such gratitude that I had such wonderful little guys to take care of me in this life.

            • Miss Tia

              a few have told me, they were doing okay with their illnesses and then it was like suddenly, “i give up”….sometimes when their ‘fight’ hasn’t quite given up, but their bodies have….they depend on us to do the right thing and ensure they don’t suffer needlessly (if at all!!)…..always heart wrenching…..as my regular vet says to me “it never gets easier”….but they’re ALWAYS with us….ALWAYS…..it’ll be six years since my first kitty, Mikasa, passed away, and she lived in the bedroom with me–she hated everyone else–and i STILL say “nighty night” to her….i swear there are times i FEEL HER at the foot of the bed….a week after Fluffy passed away–she had a very distinctive cry, she sounded like a baby actually—i heard her plain as day out in the hall! i even called out “what do you want Fluff?” before i stopped and realized she wasn’t here physically…..i went out there and a couple kitties were just staring at one spot…..i said “I’m glad you made it home Fluffalump”…..after my neighbor killed my dog Molly, every one told me to find a puppy…..i didn’t feel right about that, even though they said i’d be helping another dog….i was looking at puppies on this rescue’s site and this one really caught my eye (soon to be my Panacea) and i HEARD Molly bark, like it was an okay…..the first day i had Pan home i again heard Molly bark, Pan heard it too as her ears perked up….I know they’re still here in some way….they follow the love…..

            • Zana

              Yes. they are. I have one whom an animal communicator told me was still here with me as well. Olio. They give us so much. I feel them around me a lot. Im taking a nap right now with two of them. 🙂 So much fun to share “baby” stories.

            • Miss Tia

              it is great to share these stories with someone who understands!! even ones who passed away where i lived elsewhere, they here…as i told a friend of mine, who was so worried about her doggie’s spirit not following them to their new home “they follow the love”….she told me she was at their home a week and she heard his toe nails clear as a bell on the kitchen floor one morning, she called me crying with such relief that he was with them…..

            • Zana

              Wow. This gives me goose pimples. We know they love us. 🙂 I’m going to go take a nap with my little 18-year-old, Pearl, now. She’s getting quite tired. It’s her special thing to sleep with me, to curl up next to my cheek. I’m going to do that as much as I can until it’s time for her to cross over. I’ve had her since she was 6 weeks old. So pretty and so smart and such a soul mate.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              I had a cat that did that. No reason could be found and she was very healthy.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              and she died of old age.

            • Miss Tia

              yeah, a couple of her kids do it too….so we write it off as a genetic quirk…..unless she stops eating or drinking, or the barf is EXCESSIVE….

            • Mymy88

              Wow, what character he has in THAT FACE! LOL

            • Miss Tia

              he looks regal to me, doesn’t he?

            • Mymy88

              He certainly does wow! And let me guess… he does not like the word no. LOL

            • Miss Tia

              He would have no idea what that word is AT ALL! I think it’s just white noise to him! He does what he wants!

            • Mymy88

              The word ‘no’ is just white noise, ha ha ha, that’s hilarious!

            • Zana

              Beautiful cat!!

            • Anonymous Confused Person

              Sigh. I want a cat. For various reasons, I can’t be owned by one right now. So I am vicariously loving all of your cats through these message threads. Keep those pics coming!

            • Miss Tia

              i took a pix a few years ago, i don’t think it’s on an external drive for me to find right now….but there was a HUGE kitty puddle in my dining room….sort of sad to see to now, as many of them have passed away; but it’s still a great photo……

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              What a handsom boy!

            • Miss Tia

              Windsor is very handsome—i think he knows it too!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Amazing! We have the female version of this bad boy here!

            • Miss Tia

              really? that’s awesome!! does she try to kill you though? i WILL give windsor credit though, when i have been very ill with vertigo he somehow ‘knew’ and refrained from trying to trip me—and when he tries to trip me, he seriously will figure 8 around like feet ON THE STAIRS, sometimes he’ll rush up and jump on my legs—he’s possessed or someone’s paid him to take me out, those are my working theories…. 😉

  • i-Betty

    I’ve just finished listening to the WBAI radio interview – lots of interruptions from highly selfish loved-ones who are going to find themselves grounded for requesting maternal care at this critical time. I’ve been seeing mention of a second interview, and something about music from the movie being played at the end which Hole and Max said was really evocative. Is there a link to this second interview, yet? I’m up for a late one.

    Also, having finally finished the WBAI interview, I do think I’m right in my earlier assessment that this is Tony’s best interview to date; primarily because the host knew his subject, clearly reads the Bunker, and was happy to let Tony do the talking without interruptions.

    • EnthralledObserver

      “lots of interruptions from highly selfish loved-ones who are going to find themselves grounded for requesting maternal care at this critical time”

      I empathise…

      • i-Betty

        Those pesky kids who I adore more than life itself 🙂

        • Robert Eckert

          And some days you are ready to adore them to death, right?

          • i-Betty

            Yup! My son asked me a question tonight and I did a big dramatic double-take and said “who are YOU? Get out of our house, stranger!”. He has eye-rolling down to a fine art.

  • outraged

    I thenk I have HBOgo for Sunday!!
    Go HBO Go!

    Does anyone know how this works? Is The Movie Of The Century going to show online the same time it is shown on TV??

    • Dibythesea

      I heard that it would be shown 10 minutes later than regular HBO but I could be mistaken.

      • outraged

        Thank you!

    • Miss Tia

      SAME TIME!!!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I got my HBO to work today, am ready for Sunday!

  • aegerprimo

    The video of Alex Gibney’s interview with MSNBC Chris Hayes (last night) can be seen here….

    http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/celebrated-documentarian-takes-on-scientology-417105987577

    • MaxSpaceman

      ( OT | please post that Flickr or whatever page w/ the 800 Sea Org slides/panels you mentioned. I didn’t bookmark it. Thank you.)

    • Zana

      He was terrific.

  • Fred G. Haseney

    Body Routing NOT—March 24, 2015—Vermont Ave. and Sunset Blvd., Los Angeles, California

    Today, I spied a small cluster of Body Routers on all but the northwest corner of Vermont Ave. and Sunset Blvd. I assumed my stance on the northeast corner, a few feet away from two Body Routers, a guy and a gal. She’d seen me in action before; I must have made feel her a little nervous. As she filled her counterpart in on what I do, she talked out of the corner of her mouth and tried to block my view of her, but I ever so gently eased my way so I could keep an eye on what they were doing. Then they watched me watch the Body Routers at the southeast corner working on a young guy I’ll name Ed. One Body Router talked Ed’s ear off long enough to make him miss the light; that Body Router urged with the forward motion of his body for Ed to follow him over to the Scientology complex, but Ed wasn’t going anywhere except with the light, across the street and toward his destination. I kept hoping that the next change in traffic lights wouldn’t occur without my attempt at rescuing Ed from Scientology Inc’s grasp.

    Bingo! The light changed and Ed walked toward me as I crossed the street halfway to meet him. When you approach people like Ed to present an alternative to Scientology Inc., they generally respond quite well.

    “Did you know that those guys who gave you that Dianetics ticket are Scientologists?” I asked. Ed had a nice smile; we crossed the street and headed toward the main entrance of the subway.

    “This book,” I announced, holding up Lawrence Wright’s Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood & the Prison of Belief, “is an expose on Scientology. The movie version of this book will air on HBO this Sunday night.”

    “Thanks,” Ed replied thoughtfully, “I think I’ll check it out.”

    I crossed the street, and headed west on Sunset, toward L. Ron Hubbard Way. Two Sea Org members came walking toward me as I silently held up Wright’s Going Clear for them to see. It’s interesting to watch other people, especially Scientologists, because as they waked, they kept up their conversation, but they, too, talked out of one side of their mouth while looking at me and the book sideways.

    At LRH Way, two students, a Sea Org member with a clip board and her twin, walked across the street toward Scientology Inc’s complex. I held up Wright’s Going Clear, announcing the bestseller is coming to HBO Sunday night, adding that I wouldn’t trust anything David Miscavige said.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Scientology Body Routers attempt to route a body into the shop. Red Alert !!

      Thwarted by Body Rescuer, Commander Fred G Haseney.

      Wonderful recounting, Fred– love these reports. 🙂

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Red Alert!! Danger, danger!!

        Thank you for the promotion, Max Spaceman!

        • Baby

          STRANGER DANGER.. STRANGER DANGER..
          …………………
          Cause I can’t think of anything more Stranger than Scientoonlogy

    • Baby

      Wow.. Someone needs to get that woman on the Left a ” Way to Happiness Pamphlet..”

      I would use your technique in Clear Water Fred, but their ain’t no bodies to route.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        I think she’s already got one: it’s stuffed up her butt, thus the tight twist of her neck and jaw line.

        • Baby

          hahahhahaha.. Good God.. Help us all..

    • Anonymous

      Oh no…not the clipboard…anything but the clipboard!

      OK Scientology, you win…where do I sign up?

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Ms. Clipboard: “Here ya go, take this pen and sign on the dotted line. There, now wasn’t that simple?”

        Anonymous: “Oh, God! What have I done?”

        Ms. Clipboard: “You now are one of us! With your signature, you’ve just sold your soul to Scientology Inc.”

        Miss Clipboard runs down the center of L. Ron Hubbard Way shouting:

        “He’s ours! He’s all ours!”

        And it’s Thursday Before 2 PM.

        Stats are up.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Until she notices that it’s signed “Jack Meoff.”

          • Fred G. Haseney

            Ms. Clipboard: “Pleased to met you, Mr. Meoff.”

    • i-Betty

      All that’s missing is the wasp.

  • TonyOrtega

    WFMU interview is here http://aerialview.me/

    • NOLAGirl

      Thank you for the link Tony.

    • Juicer77

      Maybe all these interviews could be organized in a link somewhere? For those who missed them in the comments.

      • aegerprimo

        You will be able to find them at my Co$ Bad Press threads. I post lists to written, radio and TV press at the discussion forums, ESMB, WWP, OCMB, etc. every month. Bookmark this page that Miss Tia is hosting in case you miss my monthly comment with links here at the Bunker –
        http://misstia.com/badpresslobby.html

        • Juicer77

          You both are always ahead of the curve! Thanks!

          • aegerprimo

            Heh heh.I’ve been doing this project since January 2014.

        • Miss Tia

          we could make a separate area for media links…..when i get something sorted computer-wise i could set that up–linked of course on the bad press lobby….but if people just wanted media links, there’d be a quick place to find ’em!

          • aegerprimo

            I’m game. I’ve been posting the written press and media separately at the forums since I began this project last year.

            • Miss Tia

              okay, we can do that!! 🙂 might be very helpful with all the media we’ve had and will be having!!

    • i-Betty

      Fab, I’ve been waiting for this.

      • Sibs

        I was just about to answer your question too. Just saw it!

        • i-Betty

          Thanks so much, Sibs 🙂

          For anyone like me who couldn’t figure out which interview was Tony’s on the Aerial View page, here’s a handy cut-out-and-keep guide (F5):

          PS. Tony, is the Rick Ross you mention in the interview the same Rick Ross who commented here earlier?

  • MaxSpaceman

    “In January, both Gibney and Wright told Variety that they hold Cruise and John Travolta, another famous Scientology figurehead discussed in the film, responsible for “not demanding change” in the Church.

    “On Monday, Gibney echoed that sentiment: “He can espouse his beliefs, that’s fine. But not to address the allegations of abuse seems to me palpably irresponsible.” — Erin Whitney, Huff Post

    • Mymy88

      “I find it, frankly, ridiculous.” lol That’s a Gibney quote but I’d better get my butt in gear and try to remember what interview it was when he said that, and what he was specifically talking about. I think he was talking about $cien’s slander attempts on him. I’ll get on it. I think it might have been the Times Talk group interview.

  • aegerprimo

    Paul Haggis’s essay is amazing. I’ve read it several times throughout the day today, and each time laughed, smiled, sighed, and cried. He pins down in an eloquent and compassionate way, how a Scientologist feels. These two sentences really got to me…

    They cannot afford or allow the smallest doubt, because if it took root, their perfect world — a world where there is an answer to every one of life’s questions — could fall apart around them, and they would be left, like the rest of us, searching in the dark for their own answers in an uncertain world.

    It was between 1995 and 1998 that I drifted away and out of the Co$. I wasn’t giving a lot of money to the church anymore, I did not have family in, and so Co$ staff and regges were not relentless at calling me or looking for me. I had (and still have some friends in), but they never asked me questions like “why are you not on the Bridge anymore?” I would wander into Celebrity Center Int (Hollywood) as an effort to convince myself that Scientology was a good thing, and it was making artists better (who were per LRH, the most valuable people on the planet.) Up until two years ago I thought Scientology was still the answer to life the universe and everything. I just did not participate because I felt I was not good enough for it.

    When I started reading books like “Barefaced Messiah”, “A Piece of Blue Sky”, “The Road to Xenu”, “Beyond Belief” an undeniably bright light shined through my crack of doubt, and the walls of my prison of belief fell fast and hard. I haven’t stopped reading.

    I am happy, and I have a good life. I have a loving family and husband, and some dear friends. I have a challenging career in healthcare and genuinely help people everyday. Nonetheless, I am left again searching for answers in an uncertain world. This is VERY HARD for me, but maybe it makes me a true-blue “wog”, aka a real human being.

    • Lucille Austero

      Bless you, Aeger. You are a gem.

    • Dancing Cranberry

      Sending hugs, aegerprimo.

      I think that some of the greatest and most insidious beliefs of the cult are that certainty can be had and that it is good to be certain. To be certain is to never have to think again about the great issues of life. To have that certainty is to give up the freedom to think.

    • Juicer77

      🙂 Maybe you’ve already found the answers.

      • aegerprimo

        I like science. That’s where I’m at these days. I just finished re-reading Steven Hawking’s book A Brief History of Time (after seeing the bio movie about him). I only end up more confused and have more questions.

        • Juicer77

          I get it. I like so many different subjects that it’s impossible to learn about them all!

        • Super Power Wogsy

          Synchronistic event!!! My friend just told me about that book! I just finished reading the Foreword to that book about an hour ago! So don’t read it? I don’t want to be feeling even more confused. My friend was on cloud 9 after she read it. She is super woo woo though. I took a physics class last year so it doesnt seem so out of my grasp of understanding.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Read it, yes.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              will do. psssst. love the new avi. : ) gotta run…

            • MaxSpaceman

              🙂 New aVi made by Beauty for Ashes

            • Baby

              I love..love love it..

            • Mymy88

              Bye Wogsy. I know you are busy now, but I hope you can stop by again soon.

          • aegerprimo

            You will LOVE the book SPW. Read it! I read it TWICE!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Paul Haggis sure has inspired us all today, hasn’t he? I hear you about searching – scientology made searching a negative – it’s not. I’m glad people like you are still searching. That’s called evolution.

      • aegerprimo

        I doubt everything. That makes searching difficult. I KNOW you understand the feeling.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          So did Einstein.

        • Mymy88

          Oh my gosh, that’s my deal too. It’s is very difficult, but the nice part is the wide open spaces I can now allow my thoughts to ramble through and explore. No more barriers, I can just let them go where they go and see what happens. P.S. I’m a never-in but I did have a bad habit of getting tangled up in odd belief systems when I was younger.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      “A real human being.” Yeah, that is it. That is all any of us need to be. Good on you, Aegerprimo.

    • Oh, wonderful Aeger, the problem of answers nags at all conscious beings.

      In the very most reductionist of cases, that all of this is a random occurrence, biology, life, consciousness, everything. Then you have the treasured, vanishingly rare experience of looking out of compassionate, curious eyes at the unfathomably huge and vast universe, and for a tiny instant of cosmological time, saying “here I am!” Pretty exhalted status for talking bags of water.

      My answer is that we are, all of us on this little rock, amazingly, improbably, fortunate. Is that enough? I can’t speak for others, but it gets me out of bed on the darkest, most meaning-challenged of days.

      • Mymy88

        I know this is so cliche, but wow, that was seriously deep! I liked it.

        • I have a soft spon for Aeger. She doth rock mightily.

    • Zana

      Wow…thank goodness you didn’t get all involved. Your Angels were working overtime. !

      • aegerprimo

        Well I did discover $cientology in 1985 and joined the Sea Org soon after. I only lasted 3 years in that craziness though.

    • Baby

      Oh sweetheart.. searching for answers, huh? Just keep on comin back darlin.. Sit beside me..I’ll hold you..while you hold me.. We will find our answers together.. xoxo love baby

  • Mymy88

    I know this article link has been posted at the Bunker at least twice today, but I wanted to share this particular snippet from the article because I luuuurve it, that much!

    ************ BEGINNING SNIP ***************
    The Church’s strategy on Twitter is to run the feed like a political campaign airing negative ads against an opponent. But in this analogy, Scientology is a deeply unpopular candidate, the ads are shoddily produced, and it comes off looking less than classy. Keep in mind: The Church is ostensibly trying to defend itself against the claims of Wright’s book and Gibney’s film, but it’s so used to being the bully that it can’t even feint at playing the victim. With each and every tweet, jammed into timelines with the persistence of a pop-up MacKeeper ad, Freedom Media Ethics reinforces the vindictive image of the Church that Wright and Gibney lay out in such scrupulous detail.
    **************** END SNIP ********************

    The Church Of Scientology is bad at Twitter: (ETA): Because they are BAD PEOPLE… BAD PEOPLE! LOL
    http://thedissolve.com/features/exposition/966-the-church-of-scientology-is-bad-at-twitter/

    • i-Betty

      “it’s so used to being the bully that it can’t even fein at playing the victim” – oh, I love this!

      • Mymy88

        I know! Right? My very favorite part of all lol.

    • aegerprimo

      I like Scott Tobias.

    • Anonymous Confused Person

      That is a terrific article. Did the Cherch every actually use the phrase “special-needs” when describing Sara Goldberg’s grand-daughter? The Cherch that claims that all mental ills and learning disabilities can be “cured” by “the tech”?

      • Mymy88

        I don’t know, and now you have me wondering also.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    For Scientologists out there feeling the blues, not knowing where to go or what to do. How about an on source suggestion: Take a Walk! That’s what I did – while waiting for others to show up, I eventually found my way out – all the way to the other side.

    I’ve been trying to put myself back in that place that you are now, or will be soon enough. This is one of the songs I wrote not long after escaping the scientology bubble. I couldn’t clean up this music track enough to make a bad, hot recording a good one, but I think it still conveys the feelings I was going through at the time: It’s very confusing. It’s not easy. It’s not simple. And it’s not painless. But we all made it and so can you!

    I hope all scientologists still in go out and take a walk – on a beach or wherever you can get some space alone. I hope you will remember the person you once were – not the weaknesses and flaws and imperfections that scientology has gotten you to fixate on – but the best parts of you. Those parts are still there. I hope in the coming stormy season you will take the time to walk your blues away – until you find yourself again. That’s the first step in recovery. Yes, it’s the hardest and yes it’s scary, but the second step is easier. We’re all waiting here on the other side. Hope to see you soon. This is for you: “Walkin’ My Blues Away”, The Hole

    https://youtu.be/aiz7aPBF9sY

    • Mymy88

      Wow. Do you know what I love about this song? It’s got a lttle rock-a-billy, it’s got a little Gerry Rafferty, it’s got a little country… it’s got a little bit of everything. Nice!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Well, it was a southern beach I was walkin’ on.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Wow THDNE! Powerful.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        tks – and there really is an LRH “process” called “Take A Walk”. So I did. And kept walking. 🙂

    • i-Betty

      I can’t tell you how much I love your singing voice! Gorgeous.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        tks, i Betty. Really. I was honored today with my own personal “Nobody cared about you – Nobody!”. Lol. So I was inspired to let them know that they haven’t been forgotten and we’re all still waiting and still care.

        • i-Betty

          I saw it, and it made me smile, because I knew it wouldn’t effect you in the way they hoped. I can only wish for them a fraction of the love, esteem and high regard in which you’re held. It’s never too late for them 🙂

    • MaxSpaceman

      You are one cool Kitty-Kat music maker, Hole 🙂

    • Love it! Thanks, THD!

    • aegerprimo

      Love this song, and love you! ♥

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        mutual and thanks. I knew you guys would get it.

    • Elle

      Bellissimo. <3

    • Cupcakes for Breakfast

      Your voice. . . In love- it’s beautiful!

    • aquaclara

      On the fencers, this is such a beautiful thing. If you’re in Clearwater or Tampa, LA or The Valley, enjoy the gorgeous day that has been granted each of us. Take the day, take a walk, as Hole says, and think of you.

      Now, if you’re in Boston, well, get out. Just get out. The weather won’t be nice for another two months so don’t waste your life waiting for snow to melt, only to form again in the following winter.

      Work on a boat, see an incredible sunset, plant a garden with things you can enjoy. Walk around the neighborhood. Go to a park. Visit the beach. This is your life and it shouldn’t be wasted following someone who hates you.

      The real world has NO sec checks or RPFs. Nor Reges. The real world has families and bakeries, sunsets and sunrises. Free forgiveness and no guilt.

      Welcome to the real world. It’s beautiful.

    • aquaclara

      Gorgeous.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        tks, AC.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      This is Beautiful.I am so glad you got out and are healing. God Bless

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Thanks for that, Donna. I really appreciate that. I want them all to find their way to walk away now.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          I pray for that daily.

    • Zana

      Terrific!

    • Rita Gregory

      Love it!