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‘Going Clear’ subject Hana Eltringham Whitfield fills us in on a Scientology secret or two

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Here’s another still from Alex Gibney’s documentary Going Clear, airing a week from tonight at 8 pm on HBO. This screenshot features one of the real stars of the movie, Hana Eltringham Whitfield.

Hana was one of Scientology’s original Sea Org members in 1967, and captained a couple of the vessels in L. Ron Hubbard’s small armada when he ran Scientology from sea until 1975. In the film, she provides key insights about what it was like to work with Hubbard, and how she reacted when she encountered the OT III materials when they were first released in 1968. Her account is one of the best parts of Going Clear‘s first half, and it was a delight to see so much of her on the big screen.

But her journey has many more amazing twists and turns than were able to fit in either Gibney’s film or Lawrence Wright’s epic book. And that’s why we’re happy to report that Hana has revealed to us that she has written a book proposal of her own and several chapters that she’s let us see, and it is material that will knock your socks off.

We also had a long telephone conversation with Hana to talk about her plans for the book, and we learned even more about her singular life. She explained to us, for example, that Scientology was her second controlling group — earlier, she’d escaped what she calls a “family cult.”

If you’ve read some of the smear material that Scientology puts out about Hana — at its Freedom magazine website now, but for many years in classic Scientology “Dead Agent” packs that it handed out or posted online — you might know that Scientology accuses Hana of helping to murder her own father, who was killed by her brother in 1964.

Hana let us in on the actual story, which is mindblowing, and should take up a gripping part of her book.

In 1965, searching for a new life, she joined Scientology. And only two years later, she found herself being assigned as captain of the Avon River, which was later renamed the Athena. Hubbard was on the flagship, originally the Royal Scotman and renamed the Apollo.

At one point, she says, the Royal Scotman was sailing to Tunisia while her ship was in Valencia. They communicated by bouncing transmissions off the stratosphere. And that’s when someone came running to get Hana, telling her to get up to the bridge right away.

It was Hubbard, calling from his ship, and Hana could hardly believe it when she heard him.

“The old man was on the radio, crying. He was blubbering. ‘I can’t stand it anymore, I can’t control this ship. I can’t control these recruits. Set sail immediately and meet us in Tunis,’ he said. I found out later that the Royal Scotman had just received 100 brand new Scientologists who didn’t know a ship from a hole in the ground. Hubbard was going crazy. His plan was to make me captain of the Royal Scotman,” Hana told us. “But we got held up by weather. And I was thankful.”

Later, when Hubbard made port in Corfu, Greece and gave the ships all new names after Greek gods — the Apollo, Athena, and Diana, he did make Hana captain of his flagship. But then, in 1969, he asked her to go to Los Angeles with 15 other people that he wanted to take over the Advanced Org there (AOLA). He had previously sent an earlier captain of the flagship, Bill Robertson, to turn things around at AOLA, but now Robertson needed replacing.

She was there for three years until she was recalled to the Athena in the Atlantic, and stayed with the armada until Hubbard’s sea experiment was finally ended in 1975 in the Caribbean.

Hana was then part of the surreptitious takeover of Clearwater, Florida, which became the new “Flag Land Base.” One of her responsibilities was to create the new floorplan for the Fort Harrison Hotel, the new spiritual mecca of Scientology.

Increasingly, however, she had trouble with headaches and she had, as she says in the film, real problems with OT 3 and the subsequent upper levels that were about removing “body thetans” (invisible alien soul-entities) through auditing. In 1979, the needle on the e-meter during one of her sessions displayed what was known as a “rock slam” — a sudden left-right slashing motion which supposedly indicates “evil intent.” So she was assigned to the Sea Org’s prison detail, the Rehabilitation Project Force, which was housed in the Fort Harrison Hotel’s parking garage — and she was stuck there for a full year. Still, she stayed in the Sea Org for a few more years before she finally left for good in 1982.

Two years later, she met Jerry Whitfield, who had had his own experience with a Scientology front group — Narconon.

The two of them were married at the end of 1985, and they developed a strong desire to help other people get away from Scientology. They began doing interventions with Scientologists in 1987, and they became experts with an 80 percent success rate as they worked with distraught families through 2004.

That’s where Hana’s book proposal really shines. She makes it clear that she and Jerry didn’t consider themselves “deprogrammers,” and never held anyone against their will. But they developed a technique for simply talking to a Scientologist that had uncanny results.

But the entire time, they were experiencing one of the fiercest campaigns of Fair Game anyone has ever seen. Just a taste of it — involving a car chase through hedgerow country in England that Hana describes cinematically, had us clamoring for more.

Another example: In 1992, Scientology’s Office of Special Affairs began an elaborate and expensive plot in South Africa, hiring a local private investigation firm to track down legal figures and lobby law enforcement in an attempt to get the death of Hana’s father re-opened and to get Hana indicted as a co-conspirator. The police were eventually told what was really going on, and they assured Hana that she wasn’t going to be charged with anything. But Scientology’s expenses had to be huge for that ultimately futile operation.

Now, Hana is one of the surprising stars of Going Clear, and we have a feeling a lot of people are going to want to see her proposal and consider publishing her book. We think it’s going to be a page-turner.

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

In lieu of our usual Sunday Funnies, we have some images from last night’s tape-delayed LRH Birthday event in Los Angeles at the Dolby Theater. If you spot other examples, please send them our way. First up — a Tone Scale cake!

 
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Hey, Taiwan, we want one of these!

 
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Scientologists are using social media more than ever. Drop us a line if you spot them posting images to Instagram or Facebook!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 22, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Miss Tia

    Circling the drain
    Sci church murky waste water
    It will clog the pipes
    #haiku #scientology

    One week from today
    #GoingClear on #HBO
    Are we excited?
    #haiku #scientology #March29

    Knock knock. Who’s there? COB.
    COB who? COB-ble your ass if
    you watch #GoingClear
    #haiku #scientology

    To keep from watching
    How many Scis does it take?
    More than all of ’em!
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    Going nuclear
    COB after #GoingClear airs
    Millions watching it
    #haiku #scientology

    Cancel HBO
    The Isolation Rundown
    Move to bunkers next?
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    They’re superior
    With O.T. powers, but no
    salve for their butt hurt
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    Can’t face their critics
    Just attack via letters
    Confront shatter fail
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    No criticism!
    No questions! If you do that
    you’re picking on them!
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    Skin so thin it’s clear
    Hey, tell @JasonBeghe 😉 Can’t
    handle one bad word
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    Scis: Think for yourself
    Unless we tell you not to
    Which is all the time
    #haiku #scientology

    Frantic Karin Pouw
    One week to go, how many
    letters sent this week?
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear #ISayOver50

    Instead of letters
    Karin Pouw should meet the press
    Press conference—DO IT!!!
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear #WhereIsKarinPouw

    Will Sci Church decree
    Members to bury their heads
    When #GoingClear airs?
    #haiku #scientology

    Will Scis do sec checks
    On all to see if they watched?
    This is plausible
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear #SadButProbablyTrue #WillBackfire

    Where’s total freedom?
    Now within the Sci church
    Get out and have it!
    #haiku #scientology

    Day of Happiness
    Will be the day Scis just leave
    And live for themselves
    #haiku #scientology

    If Sea Org ‘group blew’
    No way they could chase them all
    There’s strength in numbers
    #haiku #scientology #1866XSEAORG #JUSTBLOW

    Actions done en masse
    Not something Scis could handle
    They’re stretched too thin now
    #haiku #scientology #BLOW

    Linked on Drudgereport
    Scieno #GoingClear story
    Audience spreading
    #haiku #scientology #StillOnThere

    • Sandy

      Look, Tia. I have inherited some money. You need a new computer. I need nothing. Why won’t you let me help? I can pay your vet bill. I can get you a new computer. But, I need your permission. Why be so stubborn?

      I will get you a new computor – pick out what you what and I will buy it on Amazon and have it shipped to you.

      Please – let me help

      • Miss Tia

        I’m not stubborn–i think just damaged?….if i had a furbaby ER that would take my vet bill over the limit (i can’t go over a certain amount and yeah, i’m usually close to it, poli got DX’d with mild arthritis the other day) i’d ask for help in a heartbeat from anyone and everyone!!! and knock on wood i’m not jinxing that!!! shhhh, don’t tell them—they sometimes KNOW when i even type these things!! but when it comes for things i need? well thanks to my childhood, i’m worthless, undeserving, and if i asked for something i’d be selfish…..SOME mental binds are really hard to break and 12 years of therapy never broke those….i do think even without being damaged, most people would have a hard time asking for help…..i am usually okay with what little i get and have and am content and make do….that’s just life, ya know? but then when there’s just all this crap at once….that EPA shit about my license plates—i sent off emails to them about that; the pantry leaking AGAIN last month—2 times they had to come out and clear the snow; just overwhelming….ya know? not even financially, just mentally—that’s probably my anxiety…….

        you have been very generous with me already! i do desperately need a computer and i would love to have a new one (i mean yeah, of course! how awesome would that be?) but……you did mention my vet bill!! furbabies gotta come first—as always! if you wanted to call my vet and pay something on my bill i would be incredibly grateful!! (they would be too!!)

      • Miss Tia

        you know what? after today i might have to take you up on this! i’ve had to go borrow eddie’s laptop to get to websites this afternoon—i dunno what happened… i tried other browsers to no avail, my email program worked fine, internet connection was fine…..you have my email i can reply to right? (i can receive any email at tia(at)misstia(dot)com but i can’t reply to you from that due to mail server problems—that has nothing to do with my computer, hey that’s one thing! 🙂 i can reply to you from misstiaemail(at)yahoo(dot)com ….

        • Sandy

          Okay, Miss T. Pick out what you want. Then I can buy it and have it shipped to you. Will that work? (I would be lost without a computer!)
          S

        • Sandy

          Or … You could find what you want, and tell me what it costs and I will mail you a check.

          Either way …

    • Sandy

      I am looking for ways to spend this money in good ways

      • Miss Tia

        you must have typed this while i was replying to you!! then disqus got weird, or i dunno what it was…..had to clear the disqus cookies…..

      • Miss Tia

        Spend it on YOU! 🙂 i’m one to talk….a friend and i were once talking about what we’d do if we won the lottery (mind you we don’t play it, just one of those discussions)…..they said i’d probably spend mine on people i know or strangers and be broke before i got myself something….well i WOULD take care of my furbabies first! always….i type this as skittles yells at me to get out of the chair as it’s bedtime and it’s HER sleeping chair…..but yeah, i totally get helping others….i can’t really financially help people but i’m always willing to do whatever i can for people…..

    • Miss Tia

      Morning Dodo!

    • Robert Eckert
    • Sejanus

      He never will.
      Try to take over?….maybe…..he has the ego for it.

    • 1subgenius

      Now I get the jokes they make on “Cougar Town” about running like Tom Cruise.

      • Dale A.

        Every movie has a running scene where the camera focuses in on him. In “The Firm”. now one of his older movies, it stuck out for seeming unnecessary.

        • 1subgenius

          As in the above picture, he runs funny.

          • Missionary Kid

            Oh, no! You mean that Tommy is a funny runner?

        • dagobarbz

          The joke about his acting; “can run from exploding things” is apt here. Oh yeah, straight up and vertical, that’s where Big Blue is heading.

          Could speed the process if ever we could get officials to raid the tunnels where the RPF’S RPF is held…

      • SassyBeach

        I just now am getting into the HBO show “Veep”. The character Dan just made a Scio reference, something about joining & ruining your career 🙂
        Good one!

    • ze moo

      TC runs fast because he karate chops the air into submission.

  • Lurkness

    Alright, alright, alright. Just one week to go for Going Clear’s premier on HBO!

    In honor of the occasion, I did my first shoop (sorta…..gradients, doncha know). This picture of a dejected Hubbard kind of reminds me of Hitler at the end of the Downfall video memes.
    (refresh)

  • These are some seriously fucked up (Tone Scale) cakes. WTF?!?

    • Miss Tia

      yeah….and i’m wondering if they didn’t have a problem eating the low tone scale one—cuz wouldn’t that be ingesting those lower tones? (i could see scienos thinking that!)

      • 1subgenius

        Ya beat me to it.

    • Anons just love cake. We don’t care if there is a tone scale on it. We’ll eat it anyway.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Puke sorthy

  • Dr_Orpheus

    Despite holding the event in the Dolby Theater with only 53% of the capacity of the Shrine used in prior years, there would still appear to be plenty of empty seats. What happened to all of that unprecedented expansion that the LA area has been experiencing in recent years?

    • Miss Tia

      it looks like that pix was taken before the event started—there’s some people standing up, like they’re going to their seats….but it DOES look like it was not a full house….of course they’ll eventually just shoop ’em in!

      • Dr_Orpheus

        I’m surprised Scientologists weren’t ordered not to take any pictures of the auditorium to prevent SPs from seeing how downstat the event really was. Someone’s getting a trip to Ethics for this one!!

        • 1subgenius

          I’m sure they were so ordered, but I can’t see them being able to confiscate everyone’s phones.

          • Dr_Orpheus

            The public Scientologists had to know that disobeying orders would guarantee expense sec checks. Is the Dictator of Mismanagement’s control slipping that much?

          • Miss Tia

            same as their photos from the actual event…..you know that wasn’t allowed….i’m thankful for whoever took them though…

          • i-Betty

            If Sid was able to get a recording device into the opening of the Superpower building to forward DM’s speech to Tony, even with guards at all entrances removing everybody’s electronics, I’m sure a determined movie-goer could manage it.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Wait, that was Sid? Bad ass!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Bet the majority were staff.

    • Toni m

      Exactly.

    • Cupcakes for Breakfast

      Yes! That makes me crazy. How blind do you have to be to not notice there are hardly any people?!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Footbullet stadiums, he could fill those.

    • ParticleMom

      Indeed. I estimate that there were 3,000-4,000 people yesterday in Providence to watch the Globetrotters play fake basketball. How many people are in every Catholic Church for Midnight Mass to celebrate Jesus’ birthday each Christmas? A couple hundred in EVERY parish? According to this, there are over 17,000 parishes in the world – there are most likely more parishes in Catholicism than parishioners in Scientology.
      http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServices/requestedchurchstats.html

      • ParticleMom

        Oh, and there were 2 Globetrotter shows that night, so double that number.

  • Sejanus

    congrats…they actually made an unappealing looking cake.
    that takes a special lack of culinary skill considering I never turn away cake…

    til now.

    • 1subgenius

      Who are the unfortunates that get the bottom tier?

      • Drat

        The have-nots.

      • Sydjazz

        The ones that didn’t pay enough oh sorry i meant donate

  • 1subgenius

    Hana’s talk technique needs to be disseminated.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Seriously! That would make a nice weekly series.

  • what’suppressive

    Mmmmm tone scale

  • 1subgenius

    Pathetic hair boy is pathetic.

    • Sejanus

      Pale as heck too.

      • 1subgenius

        At cause over his hair. But that’s all.
        How can he afford his gel bill?
        Or maybe it’s not gel. There’s something about Mary in there.

        • Lurkness

          Doesn’t look to at cause. He will be bald up front in another couple of years. Well on his way, speaking from experience.

      • Those glass stems make good blinders.

    • Robert Eckert
      • 1subgenius

        They’re doomed as doomed can be.

        • Juicer77

          I must say!

      • Chee Chalker

        Robert, you are on a roll today……………..I must say!

  • Lurkness

    Hana is a real hero and fighter. It was so great to see her again in Going Clear. She is always so calm and articulate. I cannot wait for her book! More truth and enturbulation ahead for $cientology! Love it.

  • Dr_Orpheus

    Since the LA birthday was tape delayed, I’m guessing the Chicken of the Board didn’t show up. Did he appear in person at the Clearwater event or were his minions only allowed to see a video of his most able and ecclesiastical presence?

  • 1subgenius

    The cake is a lie.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      It’s actually rice and beans with icing on top!

      • Prim

        It looks like pus filled boils. How appetizing. A perfect meal for mind controlled robots who think they run the planet from their minds.

        • what’suppressive

          They actually modelled that cake directly off the cyst on L Ron’s head….. So they got it spot on.

          • Cupcakes for Breakfast

            Ewwww!

    • Peggy oh!

      It looks like ants crawling up it…

  • Captain MustSavage

    So those cakes…. are those things meant to represent body Thetans being exorcised or what?

    • 1subgenius

      I believe it’s a reproduction of the illustration of the “Tone Scale”.

  • Lurkness

    If only I could be the projectionist at the Dolby theater for the night… “I really don’t know how Going Clear got mixed up with the Birthday event tape.”

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I love that dream.

    • vicariousthrill

      Yes! I’ve had the same fantasy a few times.

  • 1subgenius

    Yeah I remember reading in one of the books about Hana being made captain and explaining that she had no experience or training in that. (It’s quite difficult by the way.)
    Hubbard told her, if I recall correctly, to just recall a past life where she was one.

    • Miss Tia

      yep, that’s in going clear…

    • Observer

      And yet the Biggest Know-It-All Being in the History of the GuhLAXy, Heroic WWII Navy Ship’s Captain, radioed her for help, blubbering like a big, incompetent baby.

      • Missionary Kid

        The paperwork for LRH”s Medal of Honor must have gotten lost in the vast Navy bureaucracy.

      • grundoon

        “They were all disloyal. I tried to run the ship properly by the book, but they fought me at every turn… they encouraged the crew to go around, scoffing at me and spreading wild rumors… Ah, but the strawberries! That’s, that’s where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with, with geometric logic, that, that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox did exist. And I would have produced that key if they hadn’t pulled the Caine out of action. I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officer.”

  • Hamtaro

    Can you imagine being in the serving line for cake?

    “What’s your IAS status level? Ok, Humanitarian and above, you get the higher toned cake. Patron with honors and below? Well, I hope you like blue frosting.”

    • I will take a piece of the Irritable Rage Disorder.

      • 1subgenius

        ala Mode, please.

        • Draco

          Ok – now you are just getting picky.
          I hope nobody ate the 1.1 slice; God knows what that would do to your digestion.

          • Robert Eckert

            It would make your stomach feel a little queer.

            • Draco

              Heh! very good 🙂

          • Missionary Kid

            Hell, if it’s real cake, I’ll eat the 1.1 slice. The Tone Scale is only made up fakery, after all.

    • Pepsicat

      You don’t “get served” caek when you’re a Scientologist of any status. You see what you do is, you stand over the cake, take a piece, eat it there, hold everyone up behind you who is trying to get a piece, eating until you’ve had your fill. Only then you move away from the table.

      • If Cardone had been there, he would have rolled in it.

    • Tone 40 gives me terrible gas.

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    Looking closely, I’m pretty sure the tone-scale characters are paper cut-outs stuck on the cake.

    Likely a pastry hobbyist’s contribution, not professional.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Another Scoopy Ortega exclusive. Thanks Hana and Tony!
    I am trying to imagine the sound of Hubbard crying over SSB.
    The ham in me has to say, HF signals travel through the stratosphere and bounce off the ionosphere.

    • Robert Eckert

      Not Hubbard’s signals: they bounce off the Van Allen Belts!

      • Eivol Ekdal

        LOL – Wait – I thought he was telepathic?

        • Scream Nevermore

          Telepathetic, more like!

    • 1subgenius

      CQ, CQ, CQ.

  • Steph

    My son got married last night and his wedding cake was WAY more uptone. Just sayin.

    • Lurkness

      Congrats!

      • Steph

        Thank you! The room was filled with Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodists, Jews, Agnostics, Athiests, and Bitter Defrocked Apostates. What we all had in common was love for my son and his bride and the whole night was filled with exuberance and kindness.

        I am so glad to be out of that cruel, vicious group of whack-job morons! Last night really brought that home to me.

        • Missionary Kid

          Now you have no fear of someone ordering you to disconnect from him or vice-versa. Happy Day!

        • Lurkness

          Awesome. Sounds like a great event. Life is good and may happy days continue for you and them.

        • i-Betty

          Huge congratulations to your family!

        • Juicer77

          Sounds like a great celebration 🙂 Many years of happiness to them!

        • Pepsicat

          Congratulations! I’m sure I’ll be feeling that way too when my son gets married. No regges popping in on the reception to beg people for a check while everyone is drunk and having a good time; or relieved to know that the wedding was at a regular time of hour – not sometime in the wee hours of the morning, after their post shifts, a wedding spliced together in a hurry because their CSW to get married just got approved and they want to have sex NOW….

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Spitting coffee imagining a CSW (sci grovelling form for permission/approvals) for sex. Lawl

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Commanding Officer, Ideal Orgasm DAY
              Staff MAA
              MLO
              2D
              ________________________________

              Books make Boom Booms Officer FDN

              Completed Staff Work

              Situation: Unable to concentrate upon work.

              Data: My boner sales this week are straight up and vertical again. I’ve been working hard to keep my stats swollen and in a new range. The upcoming release has been testing my control of MEST, but I have successfully beaten the target for weeks.

              My 2D Regina…. Regina.

              My 2D, Ms. Volupulos has been running around my area recently, which has been distracting. Evidently the hot water has been greater in the laundry room and her uniforms seem to be more fitting than ever. This has increased the pressure… on me to stay fuc… focused on my work. I am succeeding but with the release coming it only makes it harder.

              In order to maintain my raised statistics, I feel that my 2D and I should be allowed time off post for 5 minutes with the Chaplain to get married and at least as many minutes to have hot weasel se… Uh. consummate the marriage.

              With this necessary biological expression of affinity expediently accomplished, I believe that Regina… Ms. Volupulos and I will be functioning with clearer heads and less congestion. This can only lead to bedder and bedder things in the fu…. fu….. future.

              Otherwise I am afraid I will explode all over the book stocks and ruin thousands of dollars of Ron’s books.

              Solution: Approve 10 minutes time off post for 2D building and lubrication.

              ML.

              Boob.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Omg, Michael. I just saw this. Rolling on the floor. Its just so, so true. Bawhaha. Sides hurt from laughing.!

            • Pepsicat

              They need permission to flirt.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          And This is why there’s no love on Hubbard’s cake.

        • Cupcakes for Breakfast

          Sounds like a lovely, joyful event! Congrats.

        • vicariousthrill

          I am glad you’re out, too! Congratulations and happy days ahead for your growing family.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Congratulations, Steph. Was your son in as well?

          • Steph

            Thankfully he was never in. Never interested. Whew!

            • cathy from encino

              Congrats to your whole family, including the new one you are getting!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Congratulations Steph!

    • Peggy oh!

      I have seen better grocery store Sponge Bob Squarepants cakes at children’s birthday parties…

  • Sergeant Pepper

    “‘I can’t stand it anymore, I can’t control this ship. I can’t control these recruits.” An incompetent crew, saturated with certainty. No problem.

    • Robert Eckert

      One of the classic Zen masters said “There are three kinds of monks. There are those who carry on the transmission of the Dharma. There are those who sweep the shrines and copy the books. And then there are the rice bags and clothes hangers.”

  • Those are Scott Sutton tone scale cartoons. He’s one of the three OTs I knew of while in the cult including Tom Cruise who were supposedly shooting blanks (couldn’t have kids). Too bad if Scott’s still involved, nice guy but naive as Pokemon.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      i’m wondering and curious how would you know (and found out?) that 3 ot’s including T.C. shot blanks and couldn’t have kids?

      • Case supervisors talk.

        • joan nieman

          Wow. I guess they did and all that information right at their fingertips. Amazing!

          • I learned in 1973 that the idea of $cientology confidentiality was a joke. Unfortunately, I assumed it was an anomaly, not realizing how common it was.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    The kid with the hair probably thinks he is unique, in charge or his own fate, dynamic and undeniably cute if not outright handsome in a young Ethan Hawke sort of way.

    The rest of the world sees him as that messed up kid who is desperately seeking attention.

    • Scream Nevermore

      And trying to hide his retreating hairline. Or has he been pulling handfuls of it out in despair?

    • Miss Tia

      i think he was purposely trying to get the louis vuitton store sign in the background of his pix too….

    • Kid, if you can’t grow a beard then shave.

  • Thank you, Hana.

    • Peter

      Hana, bless her heart, is one of the finest human beings I’ve ever known. And one of the most ethical. I’m truly looking forward to her presence in GC next week.

  • Scream Nevermore

    I like the Tribble cake… I’ll be tucking into a birthday cake later on, which is nicer, and not paid for in the sweat and despair of desperate people.

  • BosonStark

    Instead of a stupid Tone Scale cake, why not something the orgs might appreciate, like this super-theta Commodore commode paper…

    http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Kkkkzzzz/TP2_zpsy5ofaspp.jpg

    • Missionary Kid

      To have those in a sea org dorm would surely create a conflict. On one hand, it’s reputed that they’re always short of TP. On the other hand, they might get sec checked for using it.

      Those rolls certainly are worth more than all of LRHs writings.

      • BosonStark

        It might be a hard one to explain in a security check, therefore it could be a big money-maker.

    • Draco

      Sure fire cure for constipation – seeing that face while you are on Le John, is enough to give anybody the runs!

    • God

      What an od Body Thetan removal device.

    • Rasha

      For BT BMs? Bowel Thetans, anyone? To help Free those Winds! He is the Commode-er, after all.

      • BosonStark

        After using just one roll, I know I am me.

        • El Con Blubbard

          You guys – so clever….LOL

      • El Con Blubbard

        Rasha – LOL
        Ba-da-Ding!

        (drum)

    • El Con Blubbard

      ” This is where MEST meets SOURCE”

  • Richard

    That isn’t cake, it’s a model for a building dedicated to Ron Hubbard, named The Tower of Babble.

    • i-Betty

      Made with edible stickers as decorations, from what I can tell. Unless someone hand drew those images on edible rice paper and cut around them, which they might have done as some of them have smudged as they’ve been applied to the cake.

  • 1subgenius

    Wait, isn’t that kd lang?

  • Hamtaro

    Tone Scale cake looks bad, but it’s still better than OTVIII cake. OTVIII cake is just an empty plate that knows what kind of cake it’s not and is ready to find out what kind of cake it is.

    • i-Betty

      Haha!

    • El Con Blubbard

      LOLOLOL – Hamtaro – very funny!

    • George M. White

      Hamtaro,
      ROFL. Brilliant!

      • Hamtaro

        Based on your public history with OTVIII, I consider your reply a distinct honor. Thanks!

    • John P.

      I’ve submitted the Tone Scale cake to CakeWrecks.com, one of the sites our chef loves to read, to mock other similarly insipid cake baking attempts. This looks like one of those “digital cakes” where they print your uploaded artwork in vegetable dye on some sort of sheet of flexible sugar and then just put it on a rather ordinary cake. Wonder if this was an official Miscavige-approved concoction or whether it was an amateur effort at one of the satellite celebrations. Either way, it just looks horrendous.

      • Observer

        I’ll be on the lookout–I love Cake Wrecks!

      • HarmlessWeirdo

        It’s not skilled enough in execution, nor does it have the right note of nouveau-riche sci-fi brutalism to be Miscavige-approved. Besides, the cartoony figures imply fun and and humor, and we all know what Depraved Miscarriage thinks about that. So your second guess is the most likely scenario.

        No, it’s not well-done, and IMO dark blue and black always look gross on food, but if it’s an amateur effort, that means some poor soul really wanted to do something nice for their local event, and put in a lot of effort because they cared–and it’s all for a man who would have seen them as a sucker and a fool, and an organization that only wants them to keep giving it their money. And I feel bad for that person.

        • Peggy oh!

          🙁

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          You nailed it.

        • Sydjazz

          Some poor person is probably in the hole now

      • arcinva

        It doesn’t even look like the stuff they normally print artwork on for cake; it looks like they just cut out paper and stuck it on.

    • Scientologists seems to be very status-conscious, so you would expect everyone to want a slice from the top of a ‘tone scale cake, and see it as a slight to be offered one of the ‘degraded slices’ from the bottom.

    • dagobarbz

      Heh. I thought it was a body thetan cake.

  • Sydjazz

    So those fuzzy tone scale things are they what thetans look like?

    • Simi Valley

      They’re what body thetans look like.

  • I. Want. To. Read. Hana’s. Book!

    That is all

    • Me. Too. So happy she’s writing one. And that she is in the documentary. I am always eager to hear more from Hana. This book will be a top seller in the religion category, for sure.

      • Jane Doe 2

        Interesting that the church screams that the HBO Documentary didn’t get it right, had lies in it etc, yet they lied big time accusing Hana of helping to kill her father. Unless they can unequivocally prove this accusation, they are slandering her in public. Isn’t that worth a lawsuit since they are slandering her and ruining her reputation? I can’t wait to read her book.

        • Wouldn’t the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology need to be in some way credible for a reputation to be affected?

        • I’m sure it’s worth a lawsuit but they can be costly, invasive and lengthy. I think Hana is doing it right by just getting her story out. They fear that, for sure, and rightfully so!

          • Jane Doe 2

            You’re right, Mary. I can’t wait to read Hanna’s book.

    • villagedianne

      So do I. She actually knew and worked with Hubbard.

  • BosonStark

    Isn’t that cake sacrilegious, I mean, to eat the tone scale and all?

  • Panopea Abrupta

    7 photos for you:
    The Countdown con-tinues.
    TICK TOCK, TinyTosser

    “Tall ships and tall kings/
    Three times three/
    What brought they from the foundered land/
    Over the flowing sea?/
    Seven stars and seven stones/
    And one white tree.”

    Snow White – THAT put MarySue in jail and the King Clam on the lam.
    Now there is but one dwarf to follow suit – Slappy.

    A real tale of SMERSH and 60’s-style cold war paranoia.

    Sevens are up, DM:

    Best, Coppell, Robbo, Cantona, Becks, Ronaldo

    Kurosawa
    Sturges
    and Bergman’s Seventh Seal.
    Soon you will be checkmated.

    Destiny, Death, Dream, Destruction, Despair, Desire and Delirium –
    7 from the Sandman of an ex-$cientologist
    7 colours in the rainbow and yellow is just for you.

    What a hand of sevens.
    We will, we will Xen – U
    We will, we will Xen – U

    The Countdown con-tinues.
    TICK TOCK, TinyTosser

  • i-Betty

    How lovely to hear from Hana so extensively after seeing her in the comments here yesterday. The extent to which Hubbard went to destroy her when she left blows my mind, and makes me think of Hubbard in the light of a giant toddler screeching through his tantrum “if I can’t have her, no-one will!” *SMASH*

    • Lurkness

      Here’s little poopie pants Hubbard hisself as a toddler….refresh

      • Rasha

        Looks like someone filled their dipey with Potty Thetans….

    • Ben Franklin

      Others would have you believe that Hubbard was such a gentle soul who only wanted to help mankind

    • Maury Dowd

      Hana is so intelligent, and so poised – she just exudes having her shit together. She was stunning on the big screen, and she was the bridge from the early years to what we now know as scientology.

      Incredible people like Hana are an inspiration to men and women alike. It’s easy to imagine Hubbard being impressed with her. He exploited her talent and ultimately tried to destroy her as well.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Ha! Take that you Indy watchers.

      • Vileda

        This blog reminds me to the Mormon bashers. Any religion has its bashers.

        http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Mormons.html

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          This site will “remind you to” grammar checking. If you want to get in comm, I suggest you use it:

          http://www.grammarcheck.net/editor/

          • Vileda

            Arrogance doesn’t make you likeable. I asked two questions. The second one is more important than the first. Bullying shows me your insecurities.

            • Peggy oh!

              I don’t see your questions, did I look in the wrong place? I see a post with two statements. Mormon bashing sites and all religions have badgers. Is this right?

              I was raised catholic. I could and did speak out against my church and could question it. Can you?

              As a child there was still strong anti-catholic bigotry. There were parents of friends who would not let me play with their children. Does this happen to Scientologist children or do scientologists a do this to their children’s friends?

              Catholicism has rules, for example against birth control. I was bòrn at the last end of the large catholic families. In fact most catholic families today have two-three children, so defying the church does not cause excommunication and shunning.

              Half my family is still devout, the rest of us have left. We are still a big happy family. No rules to keep us apart. Is that true for scientology?

              Are you doing what you thought you would be doing when you became a Scientologist? Are you the person you wanted to be?

            • Skallene

              My family was Seventh-Day Adventist and no one else in our family were SDAs. There was no disconnection, only love and play and long discussions about politics. When I left the SDA church, the minister, his family and children remained friends of my children and me. No disconnection involved, though the pastor did mourn my leaving, he remained quite lovely to us. Disconnection and shunning is so unreasonable, it shuts a door which, if left open, can allow time to think and re-join if that is a decision to make.

            • SassyBeach

              Ditto. My Mom is from Dublin and lives here in the States. At age 75, she still goes to Mass just about every day. And (shame on me!) I couldn’t tell you the last time I went (not even Easter or Christmas) but we NEVER disagree on anything. She never pushes me or my kids to attend, although I did have them take religious ed (we used to say CCD) through Confirmation.

              Anyway—ditto: still a big happy family!

            • Peggy oh!

              I’m so glad. Yes, this seems to be the way it is with all the families I knew growing up in catholic school.

              A bit off topic, but lately knowing that scientologists are basically banned from seeing Going Clear, I’ve been thinking about my grandmother leaving work early and sneaking in to see Gone With the Wind, even though it had been banned by the Catholic Church.

              Not only did she not face any repercussions or damnation, she had truly feared, she was miffed that all the banning was only about a silly little “damn.”

              Even back then, when the church had a much more powerful influence on it’s flock, people still kept their own identities. And were able to discuss their disagreements with the church without being written up and punished.

              None of this is so for the scientologists. 🙁

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Never said I wanted to be likeable. So there.

              Bullying? You clearly haven’t been paying attention.

          • Pete Cockerell

            Bullshit. Many of the regular contributors here can barely string a grammatical sentence together, but that doesn’t detract from the importanc of what they have to say. If you want to counter Vileda’s comments, I’d suggest you do it using a different technique from grammar-shaming (as the other posters on this thread did very effectively).

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Huh?

            • sugarplumfairy

              Would you call that grammar-shaming shaming?

            • Pete Cockerell

              I’d call it pointing out what is tantamount to an ad hominem; the implication was, “This person doesn’t have perfect grammar, therefore his or her comments cannot be taken seriously.” Again, if that were the criterion _really_ used on this site, not many of the posters could be taken seriously!

              D3’s time would have been better spent pointing out that people bashing Scientology do so because there is so much to bash, and because its evil-doing has been so well documented, time and time again. He might also have pointed out that the comparison to Mormonism is more apt the OP realizes: Mormonism is also built on a foundation of lies, and, in its extreme forms, is every bit as damaging to its adherents and their families as Scientology. One difference is perhaps that with Scientology, it’s the “official” church that’s exhibiting egregious behavior. With Mormonism it tends to be unofficial “fundamentalist” offshoots, with members of the mainstream religion being deluded but typically well-meaning. (Though, as with all religions, the closer you get to the top of the hierarchy, the harder it is to make excuses for them.)

            • thetastic

              Grammar shamingness.

        • Robert Eckert

          Every religion has its detractors, because every religion has its problems. Some so-called religions are far worse than others however. There are religions whose beliefs arose as sincere efforts to understand this puzzling universe, and then there are those which arose as purely fraudulent con-jobs, like Scientology and Mormonism.

          • dagobarbz

            Mormonism was a con?
            YOU MEAN THE SEER STONES, HAT AND GOLDEN PLATES ARE A LIE???

            OMG alert the press! 😉

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          OK, I’ll take the bait once. It is obvious that you are a non-native english speaker. Are you in possession of your passport? Could you leave at any time if you wish to? If you had a family emergency, would you be able to return home? When was the last time you’ve spoken to your family? It’s OK and valid to have doubts. The data you are being provided by the Scientology organization may be false. Are you free to discover your own truth?

          • Vileda

            Spanish, yes, I can do whatever I want. But you may be stuck in a hate cult.

            • dagobarbz

              Funny…every time I’m at Int I do not see anybody “doing whatever they want.”
              In fact, people have had to ESCAPE from there, and good luck getting out if there’s a wildfire and the gates are locked. Gonna climb over those security blades, are ya?

              When I’m at Gold, I see drones obeying orders and doing as they’re told. Which mostly is running away from our picket signs. Wouldn’t want you little droids getting any entheta on you, right?

          • Vileda

            Just a few Scientologists are at the INT base. Most live like you do, provided that you are not in a mental institution.

            • villagedianne

              To the extent that anyone at INT lives anything like a normal life, it is due to outside pressure. Reportedly, media reports about the Hole caused it to be dismantled, probably only to take a different form. Like how the Guardian’s Office morphed into the Office of Special Affairs.

            • dagobarbz

              How’s Danny Dunagin’s jaw these days?

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          Ah yes, great example–another ‘religion’ started by an narcissistic, lying, sociopathic convicted fraud. Flunk. Next.

        • Jonathan Cummings

          Yes, but Scientology is not a religion. It is a pay as you go pyramid scheme with no actual worship, or deity. Vileda, what religion charges people to be enlightened? Scientology is more like a self help philosophy created by a known drug taking habitual liar. I encourage you to check out the film Going Clear. You will learn many facts about L Ron Hubbard.

        • Peggy oh!

          Watch this video, at about 1/3 in there is some very interesting information on the difference between a religion and a cult. Not all religions have members that are all one personality type, when there are 16 different personality types. Cults alter their members personality, into the same personality type. But in religions, even if you dislike them the membership still shows all the ranges of personality types within it’s members. :/

          That’s why Tom Cruise can say who am I? I am a Scientologist. And it has meaning within the group. There is only room for one kind of Scientologist. 🙁

          http://youtu.be/LHXMWS9Wei4

        • dagobarbz

          Anyone who dismisses this issue so offhandedly clearly knows nothing, NOTHING about Scientology.
          It’s not Christianity or Mormonism or any of those. It is a commercial scam concocted by a mediocre writer that later cloaked his scam in religion to avoid paying taxes.

          You should not comment on things you don’t understand.

          • Skallene

            True, Scientology is not a church, never was, and never shall be. It is only a money making scheme and destroys people, and never builds them up. Though, as is the truth with religions, the closer you get to the top, the worse the behavior of the leaders.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Hana’s story sure sounds interesting – hope some publisher takes her up on that book idea, sounds like a ripper if this is just a taster!

  • Juicer77

    That’s not a very big cake for such a “large” gathering. And no fancy piping? They love that on Sea Argh uniforms.

    • Ben Franklin

      Maybe it is just a cake for Mike Ellis.

      • Juicer77

        I can almost guarantee he’s on some RPF detail somewhere right now.

        • Ben Franklin

          It would be very funny if Ellis were to be declared and then had to contact “International Justice Chief,” blah blah blah begging for mercy

    • Tsunetomo

      I suppose in Sci-speak it’s not a cake. It’ a cakiness.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      maybe the cake was simply just “for show”… oh wait, doesn’t that define the ENTIRE CULT?!.

  • Tsunetomo

    Plain white cake. Chipped display board. Uneven piping. Jumble of printed icing stickers. Deeply, deeply lame.

    • Juicer77

      I can just picture some poor Sea Arghers trying to put together a cake with no supplies and no money (even in their own pocket) to buy stuff to decorate it with. They tried, bless their hearts. Should have remembered to level off the layers (hence the big bump), but they were so exhausted this must have looked like a royal confection when they were done. So sad. Is this really what they signed up for a billion years to do?

      • Tsunetomo

        It stands alongside their typo-riddled fliers as proof of exhaustion and incompetence. The only adequate work associated with Sci (Ideal Org renovations, etc) seems to be executed by outside contractors. If you SO members to make a cup of coffee, they’d fuck it up.

      • And I’m Cute, Too

        Saving the planet, one pointless/hazardous/degrading task at a time.

  • what’suppressive

    So “evil intentions” and “i can’t believe all this space opera bullshit” read the same way on the E meter. I wonder if many others have experienced rock slams when being exposed to OTIII. You’re in pretty deep by OTIII as you all know and then to have that hot mess dropped in your lap must be quite the thing. Great post tonight……..but you know how much The Bunker loves cake.

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      I love cake… though I prefer mine without cartoon cooties all over it.

      • Ben Franklin

        Personally, I like my cake nice and cute, with words like “eat me”. Why? because I am a very busy guy.

    • flexible

      There were tons of SO staff assigned to the RPF for false rock slams. Blue boiler suits running all over the place.. eating the left overs, living under the parking garage… Wasted lives.. degraded.. bah.. couldn’t believe it when Hana and others were assigned. I mean .. c’monnnnnnn HANA?!

    • Observer

      Nobody had as many rock slams as Hubbard.

      THE BUNKER: A “rock slam” meaning a particularly violent reaction by the e-meter’s indicator needle, slashing left and right in a crazy motion — and as you say Scientologists believe it indicates there’s an evil intention on the part of the person being tested.

      JON: That’s right. Some people were expelled for a single rock slam. Hubbard managed hundreds. Mayo also realized, as Roos had before him, that many of the stories Hubbard told during auditing sessions were fabrications, simply because they contradicted one another. Hubbard picked Mayo because he was extraordinarily intelligent, systematic, and diligent. This is in part because Mayo was a physicist, and deeply imbued with scientific reasoning.

      http://tonyortega.org/2013/04/13/the-saga-of-david-mayo-scientologys-banished-tech-wizard/

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Me thinks rock slam = faulty or loose connection. As simple as that…..

        I’ll bet new models with better, now corroding connections and without those loose alligator clips connecting to the cans don’t get the same kind of rock slams now.

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          Rock slams were caused by pieces of carbon shorting out the in the potentiometer that was controlled the tone arm–they used exceptionally cheap, carbon based resistance material (no surprise there, then).

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I hate intermittent shorts. Especially those ones that fall down in public.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              🙂 Funny you should mention that, on one occasion, I… no, probably not an anecdote for public consumption!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Awww, come oooooooon! You can’t leave it hanging out there like that! See what I did there?

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Ba dum tiss! (two drums and a high hat) 🙂 🙂 Good one L Wrong 🙂

        • An e-meter is a simple skin galvanometer with very poor contacts (the cans) and an undamped needle mechanism. While I don’t doubt that faults in the machine can cause a lot of ‘readings’ it seems to me that interpretation is everything – people see meaning in the meter movements in the same way that they see pictures in clouds.

          Is it possible that, whenever the CofS needs cheap manual labour, more meter movements are interpreted to demonstrate ‘overts and withholds’ and fewer put down to obvious faults in order to swell the ranks of the RPF?

    • Tracy Schmitz

      sorry but one has to be “looney” already to hold a emeter and go thru the whole ridiculous nonsense. personally i would be like “what, you want me hold what? your going to ask me questions and see my response? HUH” how is this “religious?” as i rolled my eyes, started uncontrollably laughing and calmly got up and left never to return…

      • villagedianne

        Not any more ridiculous than rituals in other religions.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Holy cow.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Hey Dave,

    Keep tweeting the inanities
    Sure sure sign of $ci insanities

    Calling the Arclight, slashing tyres …

    What kind of lazy thinking is that?
    Does Lou separate your butt-cheeks
    so you can fart ?

    You think Going Clear is a new name for a Brazilian
    You think Moby Dick is an STD.
    You think 2+2 = IV

    You think $cientology is a religion.

    Don’t worry, after Sunday next, you won’t have time to think

    • Juicer77

      Wow, you’ve sharpened that pen like a scimitar!

      • shasha40

        Isn’t it awesome !

        • Mymy88

          Hi shasha40. For some reason I made a mental note to give this link to you in case you missed it when it was first posted here about a week ago. I can’t remember why I made the note to do this, but it was probably something you said in one of your posts from yesterday making me think you may appreciate this, unless of course, you’ve already seen it. If you’d like to watch the link, please remember to take the space out so it will work. I do that because usually, I don’t want a great big fat picture to be on my post; just a little one will do fine imo lol.

          The name of this YouTube video parody is ‘Spanish man describing some reactions to Going Clear’

          https://www.youtube.com /watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sc758z-mqWw

          • shasha40

            I know why , ‘ cause that sh*t was hysterical !!! Thank you so much . I hadn’t seen it before. I can think of so many reasons why , but I believe we here at the Bunker are all sorts of PTS/SP , let’s keep up the good work causing enturbulation with our dissemination ! : D How ya doing , TC and tiny member ? Thanks for the increased publicity , footbullets , and so forth and so on … Thanks again , Mymy88 !

            • Mymy88

              I’m so glad you enjoyed it. I’ve laughed my butt off every time I’ve watch it lol.

            • shasha40

              I was crying/ laughing hysterically ,it’s been added to my favorites list . Thank you ! Xoxo… 😀

    • Mymy88

      Panopea Abrupta – I’m glad I ran into you just now because I wanted to thank you for your most excellent comment you did on Ken Chitwood’s blog! You must have one of those Hubbard slam hammers, slamming down one ‘fine’ Hubbard quality after another, for all to see. The next time Mr. Chitwood decides to speak about $cien, if he ever does, I’d love to see what he has to say. What an idiot.

      Of course every single one of the comments are excellent and I am so glad Mr. Chitwood probably got the blow-back of his life reading those comments lol. I guess that’s a good way to put it?

      http://blog.chron.com/sacredduty/2015/03/sympathizing-with-scientology/

      • Oh good grief! Another idiot who thinks he’ll learn all about Scientology by going down to the org and taking a Stress Test and whatnot. Quickly gives away that he’s there to write an article, and gets the press handling strokejob rundown.

        • Mymy88

          Yes, and he claims he read ‘Going Clear’. Puuuuhhlleeeaaase lol. Either he thought he would get away just fine with sayin that, or he maybe he has some kind of clam affiliation (probably the later).

          Do I look like I just fell off a turnip truck!

          • Through the course of this conversation it came up that I am a PhD student studying religion (so I am totally stressed and totally feel guilty about it) and also work as a freelance religion newswriter and offer commentary on religion and culture.

            And it never occurs to him to wonder how it “came up”? He’d be perfect for the NRM academic bunch.

            • Mymy88

              but what is NRM?

            • New Religious Movement. Cult or cultic are Bad Words, you see.

            • Mymy88

              Oh why of course. We wouldn’t want to offend any of those dear hearted cult leaders, or any of their suckers, err I mean sympathizers. Everything is usually swallowed hook, line, and sinker, when someone claims to be an authority and has some letters and periods after their name, as if that’s some kind of proof they know their ass from hole-in-the-wall.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    It is nice to see the new Sunday format. Every day is joking and degrading day. Every day is also news or facts from the past day.

  • Toni m

    Four good things coming our way. HBO documentary, Mr Ortega, Mr Prince and Mrs Whitfield’s books. This is great. I feel a fortunate human begin. Antacids for dm please, or maybe not, let him suffer it.

    • Chee Chalker

      The four horsemen of the Scientology Apocalypse

      • Toni m

        Make them six, add Mr Bunker’s video and Mr Theroux’s documentary.
        If I could I’ll make a Photoshop of dm running from the six horsemen but I’m not an artist.

        I know. the good book only have four.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      don’t forget the louis theroux documentary coming soon as well!

      • vicariousthrill

        And does anyone know anything about Mark Bunker’s “Knowledge Report?”

        • Toni m

          Just that is coming.

      • Toni m

        That’s true.

  • Sydjazz

    Pics i found

    • Phil McKraken

      What’s up with that curious map of Europe? Looks like a 60’s movie rendition of visual hallucinations from a bad acid trip. Apparently, Hubbard and crew were just as well versed in geography as they were in nuclear physics.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Who knew that Germany made it all the way into the Middle East?

        EDIT: I”ll bet that’s Hubbard’s treasure map.

      • Observer

        That’s what Europe looks like when viewed through a haze of BTs.

      • He did think that there were 12 continents.

      • PickAnotherID

        2nd Grade art project??

      • Sydjazz

        And we will just ignore the fact that there are no oceans on the map hehe.

  • Sydjazz

    Another pic

    • Ben Franklin

      Anyone know what is source mission #39?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Make something up. If it’s crazy enough, you’ll probably nail it.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          She’s holding a folder labeled “The Power of Source”, which, IIRC, was the album done by the “Apollo Stars.”

          So, this was probably a “mission” to set up recording studio or some other item related to the album.

    • flexible

      Oh wow.. that takes me back. Mark Ingber and Laurel Watson.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      just too weird…..

  • Juicer77

    I was just imagining the Dolby Theater staff sighing when they heard the $camatologists were renting the space. Time to replace everything that isn’t nailed down, including every single roll of toilet paper. It must take hours to get set up for the next event after they leave, locust swarm style.

    • kemist

      A bit similar to what happens when HS students from Ontario come here for spring break. With less vomit.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    O/T a review, but indicative of the high esteem in which Hubbard and $cientology are held:
    Homo Hapless indeed! The one-liners will flow after Sunday 🙂

    Review: ‘Jupiter Ascending’ Is Like ‘Battlefield Earth’ Without The Excuse Of Scientology
    http://uproxx.com/filmdrunk/2015/02/review-jupiter-ascending-is-like-battlefield-earth-without-the-excuse-of-scientology/

    “Let’s not call Jupiter Ascending “so bad it’s good,” because that’s a reductive cliché. But have you ever seen a movie so consistently, compellingly ill-conceived that it made you feel better about some of the poor decisions you’ve made in your own life?”

    • Rasha

      Mike and Jay of RedLetterMedia have a review of these two as part of their “Half In The Bag” series, inspired by these comparison reports, I have yet to see it, as I have seen neither of those films. Good snark from those guys.

    • Billy Bob

      Don’t see Jupiter Ascending.

      • Observer

        After reading that review I kind of want to now.

        • Robert Eckert

          But you would need some robots by your side to snark with.

          • kemist

            There was a blog I used to read a few years ago where once a week in the evening they used to watch bad movies in a group with real time Twitter comments. There would be a set time and a link to stream the movie and everyone could post comments when they wanted. I think they did watch Battlefield Earth, IIRC.

            That would be a nice way to watch it.

        • Anonymous Confused Person

          Me, too. Wish I was around you guys so we could all see it together and mock relentlessly, MST3K style.

        • Billy Bob

          It’s a simplistic incoherence of special effects.

  • Frank Lee

    I had to laugh when I saw that cake. Could it be that someone was making a joke? Those creatures are not “Tribbles” from Star Trek. But they sure look like characters from a book called “TA For Tots”. The “TA” stands for transactional analysis, something straight from the psychs LRH so hated! For those who are unfamiliar, it’s a wonderful piece of work to help children understand their emotions! My copy is over 40 years old.

    • MCurie

      At first glimpse I thought it was a cool Dr Seuss-inspired cake…until I read the caption 🙁
      Now from your post I’m having fun looking at TA books on amazon and reading about TA on wiki…you are so very right!!

      • Sarah James

        I thought it was the BT emotion scale.

    • Anonymous Confused Person

      Do you mean to say that Scientology stole something from psychiatry/psychology? NO! (actually laughing)

  • MaxSpaceman

    R. I. P., Mr. Ib Melchior, the screenwriter and director who took two classics of literature and set them in the future for the 1960s sci-fi films Robinson Crusoe on Mars and The Time Travelers, gone at 97 years of age.

    When Ronald Hubbard, Sr. did the exhaustive research which led to all the Oat T levels, it’s recently been reported that he screened this picture 47 times. And found incontrovertible evidence, reportedly, of the definite presence of Implant Stations.

    • ze moo

      RC on Mars was a second rate sci-fi tome that still beat most other mid 60’s sci-fi movies. I still have fond remembrances of baby Godzilla and Mothra.

    • April

      “This film is scientifically authentic…”
      LOL wut?

      • MaxSpaceman

        Yes! – *and* revealed evidence of Implant Stations of The Fifth Invader Force!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Tom Cruise is scientology’s face of fraud.

    Hana Whitfield is humanity’s voice of reason.

    Now everyone will finally get to know this truth, and that does my heart good.

    Can Tom Cruise handle the truth?

    • ze moo

      No.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Well, I’m still waiting for his answering up to Tony Ortega’s Open Letter to him. How long has it been? Tony still shows him more compassion and empathy than any other real journalist, at least that I’ve ever seen. He wouldn’t get a more fair and balanced interview anywhere on Teegeack. I hear his arrogant silence every single day another kid slaves away or wonders where his family went. He needs to get smart real fast.

        • ze moo

          TC has one huge advantage over almost everyone else in the clam scam. He can afford to bring his entire family and entourage out with him. So Krustie Ally and John Travolta will ‘disconnect’ from him. Why should that bother him?

          No matter if he’s in or out, he’ll still be a messed up arrogant prick. I really do foresee a Howard Hughes type of future for him.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Yes. Acting nice to fool people.

          • jim

            He has embraced/become the wining valence, L. Ron Hubbard. That is one hard Service Facsimilie to undo

        • Zana

          “…every single day another kid slaves away or wonders where his family went…” Thank youTHDNE. That focuses his moral obligation right there.

    • joan nieman

      Hail Hana! She is a strong pillar of courage.

  • 0tessa

    I can’t wait to read Hana’s book!

  • ze moo

    Hana Whitfield’s story will be worthy of a nice long movie. I am particularly interested in her deprogramming skills and methods. Not even NarCONon has a 80% success rate.

    • Ella Raitch

      Here that Dave – Scientology kryptonite, coming to a Kindle near you.

    • Anonymous Confused Person

      Yes, I am interested in that claim also. I’d love to hear more about how it works. Would love to apply it to the cherch faithful who come here.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    I’ll buy Hanna’s book as soon as released, sounds very interesting. Thank you Hanna for telling us some of your story and will look forward to more in your book. Those early days interest me since my late hubby was in at that time.

    If that’s a birthday cake or even a cake one would eat, all I can say is Y.U.C.K.

  • Ben Franklin

    Someone at OCMB by the name “Don Carlo” compiled a list of 437 Apollo survivors and their fate, and it’s looks like a lot of them are out of the church. The list was last updated in 2014

    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=304020

    • Robert Eckert

      I saw Vinay Agarwala on the list. That surprised me.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Whoa. Me too.

      • Science Doc

        I think I saw him post some crazy on Marty’s web site recently that go some blowback.

    • It doesn’t have John McLean, Nan’s son, and he’s out. http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/media/la280878.htm

      • Ben Franklin

        The list was just compiled with input from various people and online pages. They probably missed to add John McLean to the list

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Several people on their I worked with on staff, didn’t know they were on Apollo. And it explains a Lot!

  • PickAnotherID

    My, my, my. Will you look at all those empty seats in the ‘whale’ boxes, never mind on the main floor.

    Whatcha gonna do when the whales all blow?
    Whatcha gonna do when the whales all blow?
    Poor COB. Poor COB.
    Whatcha gonna do when the whales all blow?

    (To the tune of COPS theme, sort of)

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Boy, so good to hear Hana’s part of the movie and of her upcoming book.

    She deserves a massive amount of praise for all the decades of media and help people stuck in Scientology get out that she and Jerry have done.

    I recall when I was a Flag newbie at Clearwater, and she and other FSO and FB execs were sent to the RPF, it was so symptomatic of the big deep flaws in Hubbard’s Scientology that top people get treated so routinely systematically horribly.

    That she’s continued speaking up all these years, and now is doing a book, this is so important to righting Scientology’s wrongs.

    • Missionary Kid

      It seems to me that high level $cientologist leaders and others sent to RPF periodically to remind them that COB is in charge, and they aren’t shit. It’s like the leader is pissing on them to remind them of their place, but the result is that eventually, they blow.

      • villagedianne

        There is only so much abuse people can take before they either escape or become so broken they are no longer useful.

      • Allie

        Yeah, you’d think Davey would wise up after seeing the results.

        • Missionary Kid

          Davy is too emotionally invested in doing the same thing. He has no emotional filters or anyone to warn him that he’s going too far. He’s a sadist, and enjoys the short range pleasure of being cruel much more than the long range advantage of having people loyal to him.

  • Observer

    Tone scale cakes? Tone scale cakes?! Were there OSA goons stationed to see which end of the tone scale people ate?

    • Cupcakes for Breakfast

      Right? I’m imagining all the maneuvering, snide remarks and jealousy involved in determining who got to eat the “higher tone” pieces of that sad looking cake. I bet notes were taken.

      • Anonymous Confused Person

        And there are only 12 “higher toned” pieces. 80% of the people who get cake with any kind of picture on them (as opposed to the half of the cake that is blank) will get negative tone portions.

      • Allie

        hahahahaha

    • kemist

      I notice that if you want a bigger piece, you have to go lower on the tone scale.

    • Dust bunnies or hair balls.

    • I thought it was a joke and an SP Party before I realized it was an actual clam event! I still got a good laugh though.

    • stillgrace2

      I know! I’m with you. It reminds me of an edible version of the musical chairs torture.

    • Jerseygram

      I agree, not appetizing at all.

  • Sid

    I would love to see a write up of Hana’s technique for helping people break free of Scientology.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I would love to see it taught in schools.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Weekly series here at the Bunker would be great.

  • BeezleBobby

    How great is it that stories like Hana’s are finally getting out to the wider public. It took so long. And how great is it that the best Davey can do is insist that it’s all a pack of lies. And he can’t even do it in person, or even send someone else to do it. It’s just statement after statement saying they’re all liars, every one of them. Everything they say – everything! – is a lie. Lies, lies lies by lying apostates. And I love that the cherch now has zero credibility with the public. We have reached a tipping point.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Except for some of those NRM folks who apologize for every misdeed just to save their own asses. Grrrrr!

    • Allie

      Davey is he who protests too much.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Obviously nowhere near ready to retire — evidenced by this past Oscars’ antics — Jorm Revolta is facing the music, whether Ready or Not.

    • ze moo

      Travolta has an odd record of trying new things and then going back to the studio system. I would not count him out yet. Same for Cruise. If the audition goes well, they will get the job, if they don’t want too much money. I expect that Cruise will eventually have to invest heavily in ‘his’ movies to act.

      • MaxSpaceman

        He’s good. Reliable. Audiences like him. He’ll work.

        I only posted it cuz it’s a Debbie Downer ‘n Revolta is revolting.

  • ‘Scotman’… that bugged me so I looked it up, and yep, it was a typo in a hastily arranged rearranged registration due to LRH trying to get his boat back after it had effectively been seized….. Some terrific info here http://www.american-buddha.com/cult.pieceofbluesky.4.2.html

    pic

  • kemist

    Sent to a prison for a year because of carbon dust between the contacts of a freaking toy.

    See that’s why I hate woo-woo. It kills. It makes otherwise competent adults punish a woman for non-existent crimes.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Succinctly put. WooWoo Kills – and, it’s tax exempt.

  • Silence of the Clams

    Just saw my fist commercial for Going Clear on HBO last night. Something about seeing that after all these years of following Mark Bunker and Tony just had me so jazzed. I know many have seen it already but I have my entire night set aside next week to see it.

    With all of the attention HBO is receiving for Robert Durst, it’s clear such a venue garnishes attention it would otherwise not receive. So, who knows? Maybe in the light of GOING CLEAR, government entities won’t be able to ignore what’s in front of their eyes. At the very least, I don’t know how Tom Cruise, John Travolta and the other hollywood minions go on about their business without feeling a deep sense of shame for being part of the ‘cherch’. I think some exit visas are eminent.

    • Missionary Kid

      One can hope.

    • sumertin

      You might not be far off. Tom Cruise has reportedly put both his Hollywood and Telluride homes up for sale recently. The timing is interesting. He may be planning something big.

  • Steve Bazemore

    Just wondering, do these posts about “Going Clear” subjects contain spoilers?

    • Observer

      Tony is respectful of others’ work and doesn’t do that kind of thing.

      • Steve Bazemore

        I wasn’t insinuating he was, I have the utmost respects for anyone doing what he and all the contributors to this site and to the anti Co$/ Pro human rights cause do. Didn’t mean to come off offensive if I did.

        • Observer

          Sorry, I wasn’t being snotty, just overly verbose. I should have just said that Tony never posts spoilers.

          • Steve Bazemore

            No worries.

        • Rasha

          Yeah, Tony’s the Guy. I highly recommend just soaking up his posts – really makes the experience, when the releases happen or the court cases are in play – that much more interesting, because of all the researched background you get.

          The comments here are just icing on the caek – and our icing is “Snarkalicious” ™ – and doesn’t have a bunch of Hubbardian Snot Monsters on it…..

          • Steve Bazemore

            Honestly, I have been following the whole scientology issue for a while now. Even more so since I was sent to Narconon (by my parents, not knowing what it was, that’s a whole other story though) in 2011, and I had passively read this page in my search for more and new information. It wasn’t until maybe 2 months ago that I realized this page is updated EVERY DAY, so now I check back every day.

            No $cio trolls here? im sure they AT LEAST lurk in the shadows…

            • Rasha

              Oh, they show up. (See above), but it brings a fresh change when they do.

            • HTC

              I hope one day you’ll share your story with us Steve.

            • Steve Bazemore

              I actually posted a relatively short version on the exscn message board under the username “youreyesstink” . I’m nit the best with punctuation and paragraph structure, so I’m actually working on one that’s a bit of an easier read when Im not chasing after my little one who has just learned to crawl. I also left out a few things, like the girl who was turning blue (from the niacin) and had a seizure in the purification portion and they made her “run it out” like it was because she was sweating out drugs and not because she had a history of seizures. Honestly, compared to other Narconon stories and especially compared to ex church members/staff and most especially ex sea org, mine is very tame, and I actually left in the middle of the objectives part. Anyhow, I will do what I can to try and finish up the better structured version, and will post it as a reply to this in a few days. Or you can check out the one I posted on the exscn message board.

            • Steve Bazemore

              Also, I can tell you the happy ending is that I came out, and it took me about a week to decompress, as for the first week I thought I knew things other addicts didn’t, not to mentioned I had sweat out the drugs from my body so I believed I was “more clean” than other recovering addicts. I came home, and relapsed after two months, then in October 2012 ( one year almost to the date that I had left for Narconon) I got int the methadone program, and have not used since January 2013, got with a wonderful girl that I had known for a long time in April of the same year, the first replationship I have been in where we did NOT use drugs together, and in July 2014 we had our first (my second) little girl and life has been great ever since 🙂

        • vicariousthrill

          No you didn’t sound offensive at all. I get why you were worried about spoilers. And you can rest assured, as observer said, this group is the coolest, most responsible bunch of posters anywhere. Also, there’s so much to hear, it’d never be anti-climactic. Read on!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Los Angeles Dolby Theater :
    $cientology can’t fill it’s capacity of 3,401
    for one of their marquee events
    in the city with the highest concentration of clams on earth.
    More people have seen Going Clear already, I shouldn’t wonder.

    Three Haiku

    Going Clear, one strike –
    Lightning ravag’d old birch tree
    Riven to it’s roots

    The days grow longer
    After Vernal Equinox:
    Tremble now, DM

    The swallows return.
    Winter cedes to the green spring.
    Going Clear, Sunday.

    • Observer

      Perfect!

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Lol, took me a second.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I got my sense of humor from those old guys. Love it! Good morning, Nat.

      • Me too! A lovely morning to you as well L. Wrong 😀

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You’re on a roll, Nat!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And consider this: those two old coots are pretty much the the age of the average Scientologist.

    • Rasha

      Hooray for Statler and Waldorf!!!!

  • Vileda

    I have two questions:

    First: Why is Hana Eltringham Whitfield GRINNING, considering the issue?

    Second: What do you think the HBO documentary really changes? One week after it aired, all have forgotten about it and all will move on with their lives. Anyone could read the Times article in 1991. It was easier accessible than the HBO documentary, yet, just two years LATER, Scientology settled with the IRS and many celebs joined Scientology.

    You are fooling yourselves if you think you can get rid of Scientology.

    • Observer

      ..

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I am postulating with all my might, that this is the ONLY reply to Vidalia up there.

        • Vileda

          What is your problem? Can’t face the facts?

          1) Hana Eltringham Whitfield is grinning 2) Two years after the Times articles, Scientology was tax exempt and experienced a real boom.

          You guys are living in your own unreal world if you don’t see this or are afraid to see this.

          By ignoring my post, those facts don’t vaporize, my friend.

          • Matt in Atlanta

            @ Vileda. Are you a practicing scientologist?

            • MCurie

              Matt–google vileda….it’s a cleaning supply brand (for pages and pages those are the only google hits). So some scilon had to take a break from their forced labor to create this brand new discus account, and looked around them to help come up with a user name, and settled on the brand of their mop and bucket. Fascinating that in the mop’s attempt to confront and shatter, yours is the only comment in the thread not to elicit a rapid response.

            • Matt in Atlanta

              Thanks. Me thinks Vileda needs a stronger disinfectant. That or a fleet enema!

          • villagedianne

            Let us remember that the Time article was pre-internet. The film is generating buzz both on news and tabloid websites. This will further sink the reputation of COS in the English-speaking world.

            The real concern, IMO, is Scientology’s expansion in places like Taiwan, South America, and Russia.

        • Observer

          credit for trying!

      • vicariousthrill

        Wow this is amazing.

        • Vileda

          It is true. Remember the Times article in 1991? Yet, what happened in 1993? Tax exemptions and Scientology booming.

      • Vileda

        Media doesn’t harm Scientology. Some people come to Scientology based on media publication. They are so curious and intrigued that they join.

        • Newiga

          Oh please! The greatest harm to Scientology comes from the inside of the organisation. You say we are living in our own unreal world but how about the people who deny the multiple human right’s abuses that take place inside Scientology even to this day? By ignoring this blog, RInder’s blog or Gibney’s movie, doesn’t not vaporize those facts, my friend.

          Do yourself a favor and examine both sides.

          Ps. How is Hana grinning significant?

          • Observer

            Except that Hana isn’t grinning. A grin is a broad smile that shows the teeth. As dead agenting attempts go, that one is mighty feeble.

            • Newiga

              Agreed! Using somebody’s facial expressions or the lack of for dead agenting is pathetic.

    • Phil McKraken

      Your timeline is in reverse. It is not one week after it has aired — it is one week before it will air.

      No one has to get rid of Scientology. David Miscavige is moving steadily and intently to that conclusion.

      • Vileda

        David Miscavige survived the Times article of 1991.

        There is no reverse timeline. One week after the HBO documentary aired, only you few people will go on about it, the rest of the population forgets it very fast.

        • Phil McKraken

          All your facts are wrong. Every single one.

          1) You keep saying “the Times article in 1991.” I think you are referring to the Time Magazine article, are you not?

          2) Get this straight — Going Clear will premier on HBO on March 29th — one week from now. It has not yet been shown on HBO to its millions and millions of subscribers.

          3) Hana is not smiling. It’s gas.

          If you were permitted to do your own research, you might have been able to find these things out.

          • Vileda

            Yes. Time Magazine. Hana has gas? HBO Smell TV out yet?

            • Phil McKraken

              You’re just going to repeat what I say? That’s it? I can get a lemur to do that. What are you here for anyway? What’s your assignment?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Okay, I’m out. This one is just stringing random words together now.

              (A last friendly suggestion: http://www.grammarcheck.net/editor/)

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          Why doesn’t Captain Miscavige do a interview with Alex Gibney about the abuses that are discussed in the HBO Documentary?

        • Newiga

          You can postulate all you want. Look at all the attention and media exposure the document, the people featured in it and subsequent Scientology have already received. The buzz may slow down after a while but the dent in Scientology’s reputation is likely to be permanent.

          The 47x is a lie, btw.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Are you really living two weeks ahead of the rest of us? Or living simultaneously in two incidents? Are you UNstuck in Time???

    • Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps

      People who aren’t broken on TR-0 bullbait exhibit an odd, non-Clam phenomenon called “natural facial expressions”. Sometimes, wogs curl the corners of their mouths up in what psychologists term a “smile”.

      • Vileda

        Dr. Hunky, I curl my upper mouth corners too but not when I tell a sad story that I want others to believe.

        • Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps

          You’re assuming a lot from a single frame. Do you know exactly what she is discussing or listening to at that moment in the film? I assume you’ve watched it fully and know exactly what she’s reacting to, right?

          • Vileda

            All I see is that she is grinning.

            • Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps

              Even the saddest stories have the occasional wistful recollection or bittersweet regret or happy memory of bygone days. A single smile (it’s not a grin — no teeth are showing) is not evidence of malfeasance.

              However, I am a scientist and a scholar; to confirm your hypothesis, I suggest you watch Going Clear: Hollywood and the Prison of Belief on HBO on March 29 at 8 PM, and I will happily eat crow and open my wallet if she’s grinning like a dodo bird through the whole story, okay?

            • Vileda

              Dr. Hunky JImpjorgs, very scientific, lulz. Glad that you finally see too that she is grinning like a dodo bird.

            • Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps

              Yes, I’ve got a doctorate in civil engineering, unlike a certain Mister Lafayette we all know and love.

            • Vileda

              Post your certificate, liar.

            • Anonymous Confused Person

              You don’t get a certificate when you obtain a doctorate; you get a degree.

              Certification — when you receive a certificate certifying that you are skilled in something — is another process.

              Whether or not Dr. Hunky posts his or her degree is for him or her to decide. But it’s important to know the distinction.

              I really hope you don’t get hammered by your cherch for being here, and that you’re allowed to stick around. By the way, if someone tells you that you /can’t/ be here, that would beg another question: why not? Why can’t someone with Scientology training handle negativity and enturbulation? And why can’t they handle it with grace, style, and wit? You’d think that would actually turn the tables; people would say “wow, that person really IS a master of communication, I gotta get me some of that!” If you’re pulled off of this, please think about that.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Your commas have migrated. Need less in the first sentence and more in the second.

            • Anonymous

              There is not much grinning here in the open court testimony of former FLAG Captain Debbie Cook as she describes physical violence and other abuse at the hands of Scientology Sea Org Captain David Miscavige: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htn1PauZUYs

            • Vileda

              Nobody grins in front of a judge. He can sent you to prison.

            • HTC

              It always saddens me when you trolls show up. Not because you’re trolls, but because your lack of spelling and grammar skills show that you are not getting an education. If you are able to read a book of your choosing, please read Dr. Wayne Dyer’s “Your Erroneous Zones”. Its an excellent book.

            • Douglas D. Douglas
            • Anonymous

              There will be somebody “sent” to prison soon…here is a preview.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCUlc_CqebE

              By the way, be sure to report to Scientology Sea Org Captain David Miscavige how your trolling on this board is increasing the exposure of the crimes and abuse he has been perpetrating for the past several decades. I’m sure he will have a “special” reward for you!

            • Vileda

              I’ll watch the HBO documentary (a huge promotion for Scientology) for more grinning of Hana Whitfield.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              WONDERFUL!

              You watch the documentary, and gather your friends while you do.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              (I gave you an upvote for that one. I’d pat you on the head if I were a Master of MEST.)

            • Allie

              I thought no one was allowed to watch the film. What position do you have that gives you the opportunity to view it?

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Careful there. You are dealing with a Master of MEST…!

        • Missionary Kid

          To you, it’s a sad story, to her, it’s a happy story because she escaped the clutches of a cult founded by a lying sociopath and convicted criminal who cried because he didn’t get his way. He set the marvelous example for a little twerp who succeeded him, but has none of the ability to charm.

          • Vileda

            Is that true that Hana Eltringham Whitfield was involved in a conspiracy to kill her father?

            • Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps

              Your original argument fell flat on its face so you go straight back to your mimeographs from OSA. It’s kind of cute — it’s making me actually grin.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              It’s like a well trained child singing a little song.

              But it does eventually get tiresome, no?

            • Phil McKraken

              Hold everything! There’s a telex coming in from Target 2! It says Vileda is RPFd for lame-ass dead-agenting on the Underground Bunker.

            • MCurie

              Should we create a March-madness Pool to guess the true identity of Vileda? I need help filling in the brackets, who has been trained in dead-agenting AND would be allowed access to Tony’s blog to attempt the dead-agenting? Jenny Linson; Krusty; Govenor Bart Simpson; other members of the LAX attack squad;…….

            • Robert Eckert

              Noseinabk shows evidence it is Marco Benagni again.

            • Missionary Kid

              Gee, you really bought into that lie. The South African police didn’t buy it, when they found it was promulgated by the criminal organization known as $cientology.

            • Vileda

              Why didn’t she sue the church if not true?

            • romanesco

              Is that a rhetorical question?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              There’s nothing to sue over. I don’t rush out and file a lawsuit if someone tells a stupid lie about me that is easily refuted. Who does that? I mean, outside of the Church of Scientology?

            • Vileda

              You don’t know much about Scientology but rumors.

            • You really need to redo your TRs. The Farce is weak weak in you . . .

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Prove it!

              (See what I did there?)

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              If this was true, and this happened in 1964, why would Source entrust her with so many duties in the Sea Org? For that matter, why do so many people labeled as Suppressive by the current leadership of Scientology have great resumes in Church management?

            • Vileda

              They didn’t know what she did or was up to?

            • Robert Eckert

              Since “they” (especially L. Ron Hubbard himself) have no ability whatsoever either to communicate or to perceive the nature of the people they deal with.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              So, as we suspected all along the Tech is worthless.

              Noted.

            • Vileda

              Might not the true what she is saying.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Are you a bot?

    • villagedianne

      It’s a war of attrition, like Vietnam.

      Few people are aware that Al Lewis, Grampa Al of The Munsters, was a staunch and committed political activist. He once ran for Governor of NY on the Green Party. In a long-ago interview someone asked him his opinion of the 60’s radicals. Lewis said the problem with the the 60’s radicals was that they wanted instant results. Lewis said there is no instant gratification in activism. You have to be willing to be there for the long haul.

      Lewis himself was an example of this. He participated in the “Mothers of the Disappeared” protest at Rockefeller Center every Saturday for many many years to protest the draconian Rockefeller Drug Laws.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      That’s neither a grin or a smile of anything joyous. It’s an expression emphasizing both irony and regret. Don’t trip on the carpet flowers, and learn the cues.

      • Vileda

        Who grins when having regrets?

        • Missionary Kid

          People who have wised up and no longer participate in cruel and vicious behavior advocated by a fake Naval hero, and have triumphed over the fair game policies promoted by a twerp who has little education and who has all the emotional maturity of a junior high school girl.

          It’s a smile of triumph.

          • Vileda

            The tight lips smile is perhaps the most common form of a smiling, mainly because it’s easy to fake. The smug smile is the self satisfied, arrogant and kinda of evil smile. Lips – Usually pressed together and only one side coming up. The upper lip may also rise a bit.

            • Anonymous

              “The tight lips smile is perhaps the most common form of a smiling, mainly because it’s easy to fake.”

              Like this?

            • pluvo

              It’s a crook ed smile.

            • Allie

              on a crooked man

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              GMTA, Anon…

            • Panopea Abrupta

              Like this? Or this?

            • Missionary Kid

              In Going Clear, on the big screen, LRH’s lips look like two worms trying to fornicate.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              You mean like this?

              (refresh)

            • Vileda

              He is not telling a sad story to a reporter like Hana. The moment of the grin counts.

            • Robert Eckert

              Watch Going Clear, and then tell us at what particular moment Hana makes this facial expression. At present you are making unwarranted assumptions based on ignorance.

            • Anonymous Confused Person

              I agree. The moment of the grin counts. What exactly had Hana said immediately prior to the smile she’s showing in the screen cap?

          • joan nieman

            Absolutely MK. Good statement.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. I’ve started to collapse all the threads started by Vileda. He/she is a time waster.

        • Cupcakes for Breakfast

          I guess the best solution is to watch the documentary- (March 29 @ 8pm on HBO)- hear her story and see what the context for the smile is!

    • Anonymous

      “You are fooling yourselves if you think you can get rid of Scientology.”

      You may be right…but the malevolent leadership of the organization is itself doing such a good job of destroying Scientology that all one has to do is watch and report…the church is already a worldwide laughingstock with a well deserved reputation for dishonest behavior. Congratulations!

    • What do the OT3 materials say?

      This may be really difficult for lower-level Scientologists to believe, but here goes: In the OT3 materials basically say that 75 million years ago, an evil being named Xenu decided to solve a population problem on his galactic colony by exiling a bunch of people to Earth. Xenu then did a ton of horrible things to these people, like drugging them, placing their bodies around a volcano, and blowing them up with H-bombs. Con’t @

      http://exscientologykids.com/ot3/

      • Vileda

        What has that to do with my argument that Scientology survived the Time Magazine article in 1991 and was tax-exempt just two years later?

        • Robert Eckert

          Oh, you were trying to “argue”?

          • Vileda

            I was actually just asking two questions. The second question is more important than the first one. Scientology survived the Time Magazine article with flying colors. Tax exempt just two years later. Imagine what the HBO documentary can do for them!

            • Robert Eckert

              You did not appear to be asking any questions at all. The days when you could intimidate either media outlets or government agencies are long gone.

            • Vileda

              I never intimidated anyone. Watch what you are saying. Time Magazine wasn’t intimidated. They published their story, and that is my point. Has not harmed Scientology a bit.

            • Robert Eckert

              You tied them up in court for years to discourage any further coverage of your crimes, and successfully so, at that time, but it doesn’t work any more.

            • Vileda

              Scientology got tax exempt just 2 years later. Think about this. Bad media does not harm Scientology. It is some kind of promotion. People become darn curious and they check Scientology out and stay.

            • Robert Eckert

              When is the last time you ever heard of someone new coming in?

            • Allie

              Promotion for Scientology? Surely, you jest. There’s no one new going into Scientology but there sure are alot of them leaving or under the radar. Tipsters are sharing lots of information every day. Take an honest at the real numbers–not the ones you’re spoon fed.

            • Juicer77

              So every org is booming except the one you’re in?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Your intel is all wrong. Sadly, everyone has information readily available and can spot lies the moment they are posted.

              (But you are correct in saying you intimidate no one.)

            • Matt in Atlanta

              Vileda. This is my third attempt @ being in comm with you. Are you a practicing scientologist. If so how did you find this blog? Thank you.

            • Vileda

              And I answered it. Yes.

            • Vileda

              Yes, yes, yes, yes. 🙂 I googled: who are those idiots who hate Scientology and lie about it, Matt, and this blog was the first on the list.

            • MCurie

              I just googled that exact phrase with quotation marks around it and neither google nor bing return results. If you remove the quotation marks which breaks up the words and allows them to be in any order with other words in between there are soooo many results mostly about the lies scientology tells. How on earth did you ever settle in on Tony’s blog from the pages of google results about lies from Scientology?

            • Robert Eckert

              Jinx!

            • MCurie

              hahaha, right back at ya! So fun.

            • Robert Eckert

              Liar. What Google actually shows if you enter that phrase is this:

            • Juicer77

              Vileda, there are two scenarios ahead for you: If an independent, you will be denied services and declared. If you are on staff or in the Sea Org, you will soon be on the RPF. When this happens, I hope you will think back hard on our conversation and realize we want to help and open up CHOICES for you.

            • MCurie

              Telling someone to “watch what you are saying” is an attempt to intimidate. A feeble and unsuccessful attempt with this audience. But intimidation nonetheless with implications of negative consequences for those that don’t “watch” themselves regarding what they say about scientologists.

            • Vileda

              You libeled me. That is why I said “watch what you are saying”. Freedom of speech is not freedom to libel. You accused me of what I never did.

            • MCurie

              Hilarious!! Please outline here exactly how this meets the definition of libel with intents to harm? Firstly, my example is not false. Secondly, it causes no harm. And finally, it would be impossible to libel a made-up name based on a cleaning-supply brand that has no connections to real person with a specific identity.
              You could choose to reveal an real identity here if you’d like to eliminate the third point.

            • Your cult is a universal laughinstock. That’s irrefutible.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Yes, we’ve been imagining just that for some time.

              As far as the Time Magazine article goes, in the two decades since it appeared, the Church of Scientology has seen a slow, steady, and rapidly accelerating decline in membership. Statistical and anecdotal information point to a crisis in the making.

              My question (as long as specious questions are the order of the day): If the HBO documentary is such a yawn, why has the leadership of Scientology thrown so much time and resource into attempting to discredit it?

            • Vileda

              You are a dreamer. You don’t know the real statistics of the Church of Scientology. You are an outsider with a vendetta who is caught up in hatred and can’t see the reality.

              A court always asks: did you do enough to prevent the publication? C of S can say: Oh, yes, we did.

            • Robert Eckert

              “A court always asks: did you do enough to prevent the publication?” I have never heard of any court ever asking anything remotely like that. What are you even trying to say?

            • romanesco

              Evidently, based on this and another comment, his understanding of legal matters is somewhere in the nil to negative range.

            • Robert Eckert

              He may be one of the eastern Europeans (Russia? Moldova?) who expects the courts to clamp down on dissident speech.

            • Allie

              Why would a court ask that question? It has no relevance at all. Your comment makes no sense.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              Why is it that people who have different points of view are always accused of lying,or having a vendetta against Scientology trying to take it down,or are being paid? That is ridiculous.There are too many people speaking out about their experiences.People can research and learn the truth for themselves.Go to youtube and watch for yourself.

            • Juicer77

              And you don’t know the real history of psychiatry. I do.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Hatred?

              Gotta stay at the puppet show longer to figure out what buttons to push. “Hater” don’t work on me. I like to dance.

            • No. No, it didn’t. What do you think re-ignited my interest in the cult? It was Behar’s article and the insane, footbullety response of the Tiny Terror in USA Today. My whole department (SF ad agency) would gather at the water cooler to read the full-page ads aloud and laugh. And you lost. Ten years of litigation against Time and you were handed your ass in court. Why has the cult not sued Wright or Gibney . . . or Reitman, or Urban, or Miscavige Hill, or . . . ?

        • Are you stuck on seven?

          • Vileda

            Are you living on this planet? What seven?

        • Anonymous Confused Person

          You need to do a little more research about the tax-exempt thing. If people are telling you that this legitimizes Scientology, it is an incorrect statement.

          The answer to your question is that the events were unreleated. What happened with tax-exemption was that Scientology had its members file thousands of individual lawsuits against the IRS, which overwhelmed the IRS. Scientology met with the IRS and offered to turn off the lawsuits “like a tap”. At this point, the IRS caved.

    • Robert Eckert

      Typical brand-new profile, with mismatch between stated comment-count (12) and number of comments displayed (five).

      • Vileda

        What has that to do with that media articles are just media articles and they blow over fast. Time Magazine is a huge magazine. Millions Americans read it. Easier access than to HBO. What makes you think that HBO documentary will be any different?

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          Then why can’t Captain Miscavige do a interveiw with Lawrence Wright or Alex Gibney ?

        • Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps

          I guess since you’re really looking for an answer:

          1) The Internet exists in 2015, when it didn’t in 1991. Curious people who chance across Going Clear or the reviews and discussions of it in the media will be able to search for information about the church and find all the blogs, wikis, message boards and databases of information about the CoS’s activities and compare it directly to the CoS’s own anemic defense.

          2) The public is generally more curious about Scientology in 2015 than 1991, mainly because of Tom Cruise. The TomKat tabloid relationship, his behavior on the Today Show and Oprah, and his leaked CoS promo video have made people want to know what makes him tick.

          3) The reaction of the church itself to the film — the Freedom Ethics promoted twitter account, the Google ads, the smear videos, the threatening letters — make people want to know what the CoS has to hide.

        • Matt in Atlanta

          Vileda. Would you be so kind and answer my question? Are you a practicing scientologist? Thank you.

          • Vileda

            Yes.

            • Matt in Atlanta

              Thank you for the reply. Are you aware of the abuses perpetrated on some of your fellow members? If so, are you doing anything that can or could change that aspect of your claimed religion?

            • Juicer77

              Thank you for your honesty. Personally, I think you should have the choice to believe whatever you want. Why does your church make you cover your eyes to anything that could make you question them? If your faith and belief is strong enough, you can handle any scrutiny. I think you’ve been misled by some of the people in Scientology whose motives are not the same as yours. Next time you’re on a project, ask yourself how this will really help clear the planet. Is it just busy work to make somebody else look good? Or to save yourself hours of expensive sec checking? I hope you are well and taking good care of yourself.

            • Anonymous Confused Person

              Yes. This is the part I do not understand. If studying Scientology is supposed to lead you to being “at cause” and being able to communicate perfectly and all that, why is the Cherch conducting smear campaigns, noisily investigating and dead-agenting and all that jazz? Why is the response to criticism “always attack, never defend”? Why not just “ignore”? I have always long felt that an idea that is true welcomes questions and criticism, because it is true and will hold up over time. Ideas that are false abhor questions and criticism, because they are in fact hollow. If you are not allowed to ask questions, it’s a red flag for me.

              It is a real concern to me that people in a faith aren’t allowed to question their faith, and that when they do, they aren’t allowed to explore that doubt and come to a critical conclusion (if in fact that’s where they end up going). The amends process is so overwhelmingly awful that one ends up practicing “thought-stopping”: where if a person thinks he or she might be thinking something negative, he or she immediately “retrains” his or own thoughts with some kind of aphorism: “S/he pulled it in.”

              For example, and Vileda I would NOT recommend that you do this, but could you in all honesty say, “I’m not sure I like the way that COB is running this Ideal Org program. There have been years and years of fundraising without any real improvement”? The answer is: no, you could not. You would immediately be put onto some form of amends.

              Debbie Cook thought she could have a frank and open discussion about what she perceived were problems in the Cherch. If you do not know what happened to Debbie Cook, go here: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/01/debbie_cook_scientology_rocked_by_allegations_of_greed.php

        • Anonymous

          The global statistics of Scientology have been falling across the board ever since the TIME article was initially published…easily confirmed by reviewing the comments of those former executives that had access to those global stats when they were still in the Sea Org.

          Oh and by the way, since you mentioned it, here’s another link to the TIME article about Scientology…it rings as true today as it did when first published. Thanks for the reminder!

          http://www.lermanet2.com/scientologynews/time.htm

          • Vileda

            You are missing the point. 7 Billion people on this planet. Only approx. 50 people are like Lerma and you, having a vendetta against Scientology.

            • Anonymous

              Thanks for the reminder about the “50 people” that have spoken out about their eye-witness experiences in Scientology…here is a link to more than 2500 former Scientologists that have also spoken out – take a look – it is quite illuminating: http://whyweprotest.wikia.com/wiki/Former_Church_of_Scientology_members_who_have_spoken_out

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              Is that why thousands of x-Scientology members are speaking out? You are being lied to.

            • Vileda

              Why are you lying about the number? Where are those thousands? You and socks?

            • Juicer77

              I get it, if you tried to look at the list of names or any of their videos on YouTube, you’re on the RPF immediately. Sorry you don’t have the freedom to look.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              I am not lying.I have no reason to lie to you.Click on the site Anonymous posted and you can see for yourself.Go to a library where you can get on the internet freely and research everything yourself.

            • Vileda

              You guys post hundreds of lies here on a daily base. Did it ever occur to you that YOU are cultists?

            • Juicer77

              Cults consist of one almighty leader (many of us tell Tony he’s wrong LOL), forced punishment (we get caek), imprisonment (we can leave anytime and often do for long periods to do fun stuff) and brainwashing. We are firm believers in questioning everything – including what Tony and commenters here say. So, no.

            • stillgrace2

              Nope.

            • KNMF

              What, for reading and posting on a blog? You’re goofy.

            • I get how scary and infuriating this all must be for you, but, now’s the time to wake up and smell the cal-mag. The proof is everywhere you look (without blinders). Go to any article about the cult. Read the comments. They are overwhelmingy negative toward the cult (and not just from us). Here’s an example of the collapse in action for you: Why has the mission in Santa Rosa folded? The largest city between Portland and SF and it can’t support a mission. Why is that if there’s 47X, straight up and vertical expansion?

            • Panopea Abrupta

              There are approximately 2,500 ex-$cientologists speaking out in their names.
              There are many many more activists and critics.
              You are a mere 25,000 to 35,000 worldwide and of those, thousands are under the radar and would already have left if it wasn’t for the dubious practices of disconnection and blackmail.
              The boom whereof you speak is a tawdry fiction written by a hack sci-fi author long dead.
              You accuse people of being unable to face facts.
              Why was the Dolby Theater not full (3401 capacity) last night in the city with the world’s largest concentration of $cientologists?
              Look at the graphic that follows IF you can indeed confront truth.

            • Vileda

              Your numbers are very wrong. During 60 years of C of S existence, only ca. 400 uttered a disagreement and most just once and might have rejoined. Other churches have many more apostates.

            • Juicer77

              You’re right – there are probably millions of ex-Christians and ex-Mormons. But we don’t get followed and our children terrorized because we spoke out.

            • Vileda

              Provided that this is true and not a fabrication… Not all people are so gullible as you guys here.

            • Juicer77

              Insults, really? That’s not a good argument. I’m not the smartest cookie but at least I can see both sides without fear of going to the RPF.

            • Matt in Atlanta

              How am I being gullible here? That statement seems to be a rather sweeping generalization in my opinion.

              As your chosen religion is rather small,from a statistical perspective I have to lend credence to those who have left scientology because of real abuses of its membership.

              Are you aware that there is a culture several decades old that perpetuates these abuses? Would you be open to change within upper management to mend these abuses?

            • Cindy

              You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

            • Allie

              And where do you get your numbers from?

            • Vileda

              From real life.

            • Matt in Atlanta

              How many individuals do you think call themselves practicing scientologists in 2015?

            • Robert Eckert

              How, exactly? From speaking to each and every person in the world, so that you know the count is complete?
              Not, apparently, from clicking on the link to the source for the larger number, which was provided to you. Is there one single solitary name on the list of 2500 that you can point to and say “No, that’s not an ex-Scientologist”?

            • Juicer77

              So you’ve seen these orgs personally and know they’re booming?

            • Allie

              Your real life must be very isolated and limited then if you think only 400 have uttered a disagreement. Panopea above just offered info above about the list of 2500 ex-scios who have spoken out with their real names. You need to re-evaluate your figure. And please update Davey with these figures too in case OSA hasn’t kept him up to date.

            • KNMF

              People are free to come and go in typical churches. Freedom. No disconnection. No routing out. No freeloader debts. Most churches use the word “apostate” infrequently. Same with “excommunication.”

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              It’s only 47 of us actually.

            • Vileda

              See! A drop in the ocean.

            • Juicer77

              If only 50 people have this vendetta against Scientology, doesn’t it seem odd that there is SO MUCH panic right now in the orgs? Why would the church bother setting up multiple webpages and twitter handles to fight only 50 people?

            • Allie

              And so much panic from David Miscavige. And total silence from the big celebs–Cruise, Travolta, Kirstie. Where are their voices of support?

            • Anonymous Confused Person

              I realize that written medium doesn’t convey sarcasm very well, but L. Wrong’s comment was sarcastic.

            • Allie

              I think you should brush up on your math skills. And haven’t you been seeing all the tweets from people seeing the Going Clear film? People are speaking out and sharing their support for the film. The film is providing solid information about the true nature of Scientology and people are learning about the abuses and evil behaviors of the cult and are NOT supporting Sciloonery–AT ALL.

            • Matt in Atlanta

              Vendetta is a strong word. Could you expand on why you think certain individuals as having a as you say “Vendetta” against scientology?

            • MCurie

              7 billion people and how many have been made “Clear” by CoS in the past 60 or so years? At that rate of clearing, when will the planet be clear?

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              If scientology only has 50 critics then you guys have nothing to worry about. Have some food, fresh air, and get some rest. Blessings to you Vileda.

            • KNMF

              Speaking of math, how is your quest going. Have you heard about any cities clear of crime and insanity? Have you come to terms with any of Hubbard’s lies?

        • Cupcakes for Breakfast

          Are you going to watch Going Clear? I would be interested in hearing what you think of it. Are you allowed to watch?

        • Anonymous

          HBO has more than 28 million subscribers in the US and more than 110 million global subscribers. Their audience reach is infinitely greater than that of your silly little church PR nonsense.

          But, because of the virulent, hate filled propaganda spewed out by Scientology leadership against the participants of the soon to be broadcast HBO documentary “Going Clear” it is one of the most anticipated documentaries in cable television history.

          Here is just one article showing how much entheta has been generated by Scientology leadership tactics aimed at discrediting the participants in the film: http://lauraturner.religionnews.com/2015/03/16/going-clear-scientologys-coverup-efforts-hbo-documentary/

          • ze moo

            All of the Going Clear reviews I have seen in the last week actually quote someone named ‘Karin Pouw’ who spouts off about ‘bitter defrocked apostates’ and ‘professional $cieno haters’. The woo is now very widely known.

            As the movie business says, ‘this movie has legs’.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Oh sweetheart HBO is everywhere.

        • KNMF

          Seeing and hearing victims has greater resonance. Scientology is going to be stripped, exposed and kicked around non-stop until it splinters into a hundred pieces. There are more documentaries after this one, and more people will escape. More people will speak out. More famous people will express their disgust. Miscavige won’t be able to plug the leaks with Hubbard’s oudated dirty tricks.The cult is a finite pyramid void of spirituality. Doomed. You should GTFO.

      • Robert Eckert

        That is only on the secondary thread I opened using display-in-new-tab. On the primary thread open since 7AM, clicking on Vileda turns up no profile, only an out-of-date version of my Notifications. This peculiar Disqus hackery only occurs with certain, shall we say, “special” accounts.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      MASTER OF MEST!

      “What do you think the HBO documentary really changes? One week after it aired, all have forgotten about it and all will move on with their lives.”

      I am dizzy from the changes in tense. Or… does this Big Being really operate in all Space and Time at will?

      A helpful site: http://www.grammarcheck.net/editor/

      • Vileda
        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Vile, I think he is pointing out that the movie has not aired yet on HBO. It airs next week. You spoke in past tense. I don’t like language bullies either, but please make sure you know that:

          1. HBO has 135 million subscribers or so, and is airing Going Clear on March 29, March 30, and thereafter. At the HBO call center they say there are a lot of new people (like me) signing up for HBO to see the movie.

          2. It showed at Sundance Film Festival, Austin Film Festival, and is currently in limited release in three theaters in the US – LA, NY, and SF.

          3. I am guessing several thousand people have seen it so far, but that will jump exponentially next week.

          4. The Internet has changed everything – since the bullying of IRS and Time Magazine.

          5. No one from scientology has agreed to be interviewed by the media about Going Clear..

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I am not a language bully.

          I am an officious grammar policeman.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      I have a few questions. How come the LA birthday event this weekend was held in an auditorium with only 53% of the seating capacity of the Shrine auditorium used in previous years? What happened to all that expansion that Miscavige brags about? Wouldn’t the event have been held in a football stadium in the massive expansion claim was true?

      Looks like your downstat COB is getting rid of Scientology just fine.

      • Vileda

        What makes you think that the percentage is true?

        • Robert Eckert

          Because the Dolby and the Shrine are venues open to the public whose seat counts are not even remotely secret?
          What kind of a question was that?

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            LOL

        • Dr_Orpheus

          Simple mathematics. The Shrine Auditorium used in previous years had 6,300 seats according to Wikipedia while the Dolby Theatre used this year has only 3,332 seats. Even without dividing, one can see that 3,332 is a much smaller number than 6,300. Dividing 3,332 by 6,300 gives 0.52889 which rounds up to 53%. If the expansion claims were true, COS would be holding the event in a larger venue, not a smaller one.
          How come Miscavige is the only member of Sea Org who never gets punished for being downstat?

    • Beth

      Hana does smile in parts of her film interview. She was very warm and open and talked about how as a young woman she was so excited to be involved in Hubbard’s plans. She says that she felt she was embarking on the adventure of a lifetime and was full of hope and positive anticipation about helping the world. Over time, the reality of her situation slowly dawned and it was crushing.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      Can you please answer my question,Why doesn’t Captian Miscaviage do a interview with Lawrence Wright or Alex Gibney ? Since he is the leader of Scientology he is the one who should defend it,don’t you think?

      • Vileda

        No idea, but big religions have their press speakers. David Miscavige isn’t that important to Scientologists as you might think. Pure Scientology technology is what we want.

        • Panopea Abrupta

          $cientology does NOT have a “Press Speaker.”
          They currently release letters and e-mails from Karin Puow who has not been seen in public in years.
          Not a single interview or press conference. Why?
          Where is HIDING in the Tone Scale?

        • Juicer77

          Okay, so why doesn’t anyone speak up independently?

          • Vileda

            Because you guys have closed minds. You are not open to the truth. You just want to hear and post hatred on Scientology. Why would Scientologists waste their time with you? I agree. I got not one decent response to my 2nd question.

            • Juicer77

              Remind me what it was I just got here a few minutes ago?

            • sugarplumfairy

              What does it change? For one thing, you’re here.. New orders?

        • Allie

          I hope Davey doesn’t hear you say that he’s not important. RPF for you!

          • Juicer77

            I was just thinking the same thing. Blow, Vileda! There are many outside who will help you. Believe it. It’s true.

          • Vileda

            His power is greatly exaggerated. You really don’t know much about Scientology if you think that a Scientologist can’t do what he wants.

            • Juicer77

              Oh, boy. You’re about to find out the really hard way. I hope you take care of yourself. I honestly wish for you to be well and happy and free to make your own decisions. You’re about to get hit by the Scientology overlords, hard.

            • Lucille Austero

              Ah ha ha! ! So this is the new line? Already worrying about the fallout from Going Clear for the tiny pope are we? I laugh in your face.

            • joan nieman

              I am laughing too. RPF coming up for sure.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Vileda please get out while you can. Doubts are okay. It is not because you are a bad person.

        • Allie

          Where is Karin Pouw – the supposed spokesperson for Scientology?
          Is she hiding or maybe in the hole?

        • Anonymous Confused Person

          You know that what you are experiencing is not “pure Scientology technology”, right? David Miscavige has squirreled it. If you do not believe me, go find some original prints of the key books and them compare them to today’s editions. Also, he has changed the auditing process in a distinctly negative way. Start here for some good info: http://tonyortega.org/2013/07/30/scientologys-needle-exchange-when-david-miscavige-got-technical/

        • ze moo

          There is no ‘pure’ $cieno Tech. Lron himself put the semi-colons in and then Davy took them out. And then he changed the words around so everyone would have to buy all the books and lectures again. It is always about the money.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Vileda, you are the first scientologist who has said that Captain David Miscavige of the Sea Org is not that important. I am sorry but you are in big trouble. Please do not say that again.

    • Allie

      Oh, you mean that smile of peace and contentment that Hana feels since she is no longer involved in Scientology and speaks out with real true stories that can bring down their demise?

    • noseinabk

      Can anyone translate this properly? bestellungen aufnehmen? Orders to plot?

      • Robert Eckert

        taking orders

        • sugarplumfairy

          Ok, Marco.. I’ll have Roast beef on rye.. Extra mustard..

      • Robert Eckert

        And just like that, he’s gone– who’da thunk it?

      • stillgrace2

        Nice catch. Good info. Explains everything. So desperate. Ha Ha. Eat it, Miscavige.

      • i-Betty

        Well found!

    • Dancing Cranberry

      I’m going to treat your questions seriously, in case you truly want the answers.

      First, why is Hana grinning in the particular frame that Tony chose to accompany this article: I’m not sure anyone can answer that other than Tony himself. Perhaps, if this issue is important to you, you should ask him? His email address is clearly posted above. Perhaps he can explain why he chose that particular frame and may even remember what, specifically, she was talking about when she had that expression.

      Second, What do you think the HBO documentary really changes? The HBO documentary will serve to inform people who are currently unaware of the abuses that occur under the aegis of the church. So many people still think of scientology as a slightly kooky, but relatively harmless religion. The documentary may put a dent in that thinking. Many of us also hope that the documentary will help the general populace become upset with the government for allowing tax-exempt status to an organization that isn’t really about spiritual wellbeing, but more about money for people at the top levels. Perhaps this documentary will help to remove the tax exemption and help your religion to clean up its act.

      Here are 2 questions for you, Vileda.

      First, how aware are you and your fellow religionists of the mistreatment of staff/volunteers in the Sea Organization? Or of the crushing regging of people – asking them to re-mortgage homes, run up credit cards and run up debts that they have no realistic way of paying?

      Second, given how free you say you are, what options exist for scientologists to speak up about the abuses? I know about Knowledge Reports, but those seem mostly to be about tattling on one’s friends and family members and they seem to facilitate more abuse. If members of the Underground Bunker believed that scientologists were concerned about the abuses and were doing something about them, interest would fall away pretty quickly. Until then, we will fight on your behalf to ensure that laws about human rights will be followed.

      Welcome to the Bunker.

  • Mike Leopold

    Hana Eltringham was Sea Org ROYALTY. All old-timers fondly remember her.

    She and John McMaster gave Hubbard an air of legitimacy, because they, like ourselves, were such dedicated and true believers.

    The contrast between her current understanding vs her former dedication is what makes her appearance in “Going Clear”‘so very powerful and compelling.

    To me she was always symbolic of the hope I had, when first I was pulled into Scientology.

    I’m very happy that she has recovered and is speaking out with truth and conviction.

    • Newiga

      As I said a couple of days ago: Hana is a classy, eloquent, strong and intelligence lady. *respect*

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    BIG BEINGS SPOTTED AT VALLEY ORG!!!!!!!!

    My work brought me down into the fabled San Fernando Valley
    on Saturday. For me, no visit is complete until I have at least driven by the
    rotting premises of the Valley Ideal Org. This visit did not disappoint—things
    look just as dismal as ever. It appears that locals have been aiding the effort
    to make these prominent buildings look as neglected and abandoned as humanly
    possible. A cart filled with rubbish stood silent sentinel at one corner,
    moldering phonebooks were thoughtfully piled at each shuttered door, and the
    smaller litter gave evidence that exteriorization may already be taking place
    on the premises.

    Imagine, then, my surprise, when I rounded the corner and
    discovered (gasp!) activity taking place. The Valley Org was being prepped for
    one of its innumerable galas. In true Hollywood style, a red carpet was being
    rolled out. Or, in this case, was being duct-taped to the sidewalk. The
    step-and-repeat at the top of the steps was quite alluring, and I toyed with
    the idea of taking a selfie in front of it. I asked the black clad laborer if I
    could do so, and after a moment of befuddlement he replied that he would have
    to get permission from someone inside. I demurred.

    Wondering what the big occasion may be, I took a peek
    through the windows in the main lobby and saw what appeared to be actual
    construction. I asked the man for confirmation, and was crestfallen to learn
    that it was simply a display, but that construction was set to begin “very soon.” I
    didn’t have the heart to tell him that I had heard almost those exact words
    some time ago on the same premises from the woman who was running that
    Scientology rummage sale.

    As I made my way around the other side of the building, I
    spotted signs of more activity. A large van or truck was pulled up in the back
    parking lot, and a couple more black-clad workers were bustling about. It
    looked like one of the shirts was imprinted with the words “Ideal Org Crusade”
    (although I could be wrong about that). A closer look at the van revealed that
    it was… porta-johns. Fancy porta-johns. I guess the facilities in the building
    are in the same shape as the rest of this eyesore, and the Big Beings have to
    go outside to “blow charge.” But you do have to admit; the two forlorn little
    palm plants placed at each corner of the port-johns give them quite the uptone
    air, no?

    (Refresh for photos!)

    • Observer

      scientology is doing an admirable job of getting rid of itself.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I found myself wondering if the local Scientologist “stars” avert their eyes as they make their way through the approved entrance. As I walked by, there was the whine of vacuum cleaners inside. I wonder how many tons of air freshener was laid in…?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        DM’s moulding is molding away. Poetic, even.

    • Rasha

      Can’t you just SMELL the tension? Like… actually SMELL it? The joy of the guy who probably had to bring his own duct tape, to the discount toilets likely borrowed from a local fair (“We Dump Your Dump In BULK!!”, moldering phone books, no doubt sitting on top of old Scientology fliers they’ve been mindlessly mailing to themselves for decades, and the wonderful reading of the names on the drug paraphernalia… Yessiree, folks. Somethin’s a-brewin’…… Somethin’s gonna get Clear’d…..

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I really, really want to get inside that hulk, if only to experience the heady rush that must come from the musty odor inside. This place has been sitting unloved and uncared for for what– a decade? Can you imagine?

        • Rasha

          Not sure what the weather is like out that’a’way, but heat and humidity and sea salt air don’t bode well for closed up, ignored structures, that the owners of probably don’t waste good, cool cash to pay for A/C and good, cool filtered air. Looking at the detritus nearby, I’d say the Kool, filtered air is on their menthols.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            I cannot imagine how rank that interior must be. I am sure the more, uh, exotic portions of the building are completely boarded up, lest anyone from the Valley go exploring and get a permanent taint.

          • Missionary Kid

            The San Fernando Valley is relatively dry, and far enough from the sea and salt air so the inside is probably just musty and dusty.

            • Rasha

              Thanks for the update. Still, that’s about as healthy for the lungs as a week on the BrokenWinds. Mmmmmm… smell that freedumb.

        • Xenu is in there.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            This place is even too down tone to be a prison for Xenu.

    • Cupcakes for Breakfast

      Looks like an ideal dump.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        That should be Ideal Dump. It’s a proper name in Scientology..!

    • Missionary Kid

      I notice that they haven’t replaced the Christian cross with their own.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Nope. The place even still has the elaborate facade sign left by the Assemblies of God congregation that sold it.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Garcia’s are gone. No one left to milk for the new cross. Oh wait, there are lots more.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Fantastic intell, D3. Thank you.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      3D, are those port-o-let door very narrow or is it the angle of the photo? I’d think many folks with too many body thetans could not fit through them.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Perhaps the doors are so narrow to conceal the regges that are inside, waiting for their “captive” prospect.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Now that guy who wrote 1001 uses for duct tape is going to have to redo the whole thing.

    • Ben Franklin

      DM wants to know if you saw any ants.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Doubtless the ants were back lounging around the pool.

        • Newiga

          I heard they are in good terms with roaches these days.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Looks like the old Tenderloin Org, every morning they’d hose the piss and fecal matter off of the entry. But it would need some dirty needles to show the neighborhood is really welcoming them with a party. Oh, and some used condoms and Colt 48.

    • Anonymous Confused Person

      LOL! Awesome report!

    • rickiraccoon

      At least they should have toilet paper this event.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        IDEAL toilet paper!

    • Pete Cockerell

      Still, props to them for finding work for the double amputee working on the red carpet.

      • thetastic

        So glad I’m not the only one who thought that.

    • dagobarbz
    • aquaclara

      Love these pics. Thank you.

  • Newiga

    Tone scale cake? LMAO! I hear the bottom of the cake is enturbulatingly delicious. 😛

  • Anonymous

    It is probable this has been posted previously, but in case you missed it (as I did) the BBC has a done a fairly comprehensive review of the HBO “Going Clear” documentary at this link: http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20150320-a-scary-must-see-scientology-doc

    • Ben Franklin

      In my opinion, one of the best reviews I have read

    • Missionary Kid

      That is a review that I’m going to use and send to friends. It really is comprehensive, well written, and interesting to read. Thanks.

  • KNMF

    lately, after seeing all the gilded gauchery served to scilon public at events, I’m wishing and hoping for a food fight. please god.

    • Anonymous

      Your comment is as good a reason as any to once again enjoy this classic video of Marty Rathbun hosing down the Squirrel Busters…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtD-ctTI59E

      • Allie

        It gave me much pleasure watching Marty do that.

      • HTC

        Excellent!

        • joan nieman

          I love it! Love it! Marty makes them look like pitiful fools.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        It must have been a scorching day in Texas. Notice how the female driver wonders from the safety of her cart right into the line of fire. I sure hope Mosey, wins her lawsuit!

      • rickiraccoon

        Perfect!

  • MadMaxi

    How wonderful to wake up and checking my usual daily news sites I see a link to Marty’s Today show interview. On SpiritDaily.com, a Catholic/Christian news gathering site the click teaser is,”Scientologists allegedly spying on participants in documentary about cult”

    Nice! Even the hardcore, hesitant individual website operator, use to be afraid due to lawsuits sites don’t give a shit about the toothless reputation of the cult anymore.
    Edited to remove mess ups

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Ssshhhh, don’t let Vidalia down below(sci troll alert) find out. She thinks the bad new has already passed.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Passed what? gas?

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Sad little attempt at entubulation. Barely a cat toy.

  • WierdHarold

    Congratulations to Hana on her forthcoming book. I’ve been waiting for this one for about 35 years! Without her and many others like her, it would have been impossible to explain Narconon and Scientology to our community back in the day.

  • Mrs. V.

    That cake looks pretty gross. Not something I would want to try. Looking forward to Hana’s book though! Will definitely try that

  • Dancing Cranberry

    Thank you, Tony, for bringing us these stories of people who escaped the CO$ and are thriving.

    Hana has long been one of my heroes. I have found her to be humble and articulate. In every single one of her interviews, she describes the horrors she witnessed without any self-pity and with empathy for the people whose suffering she witnessed. I’m so glad she is writing a book.

    • Ben Franklin

      The first time I ever saw Hana was on a Youtube video talking about Scientology and the life she experienced aboard the Apollo, and I believed every single word she said in that video.

      • Dancing Cranberry

        I had the same response.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I’m normally not a baker, but that tone scale cake just inspired me. For your consideration, Going Clear Watching Party cakes:

    http://i.imgur.com/eXQaA6U.jpg?1

    http://i.imgur.com/b3oyoH9.jpg?2

    http://i.imgur.com/AIkvLOs.jpg?1

    • Newiga

      How about the RPF cake? Beans and rice in gelatin?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist
        • Todd Tomorrow

          Jesus, how sad. A bland molten lava cake for your RPF birthday.

          • Anonymous Confused Person

            Well, /you/ wouldn’t get to eat it. The people running the Hole would get to eat the cake. You might get some of the crumbs, though, thoughtfully scattered on the floor for you to lick up.

        • Juicer77

          I’m afraid of what’s going to pop out of that cake hole!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I can tell you on thing – it’s going to be bitter. Very bitter.

          • Elegant Mess

            “Cake hole” sounds vaguely offensive…I have to use this today in conversation, somehow. 🙂

            • This was once UK slang for ‘mouth’.
              Suggested usage: “Will you shut your cake-hole – you’ve not stopped taking since we got here”

            • Robert Eckert

              Huh! In the US I’ve heard “shut your pie hole”.

            • Jenstnick

              Marine corps drill sergeants use “cock holster”. My personal favorite.

        • Zana

          Where do you find these things?! LOL!

        • Skallene

          I can feel myself sliding into the hole.

    • Rasha

      On the Disconnection Caek, one of them should be surrounded by figures reading to them from mimeographs and telexes, on what to say.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        This is a job for Queen Shooper.

    • Miss Tia

      Gee, and I was just gonna make a white cake and chocolate fudge frosting (both from scratch) and then put ‘Going Clear’ on it via powdered sugar and a home made stencil from paper…..i already feel inadequate!!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        You do? Then you’ll be in the right mood to watch a film about scientology. Lol. Now, to get a real feel, don’t sleep more than 3 hours a night this week, and only eat rice and beans and 15 cups of coffee a day. And only 4 squares of toilet paper a day. And no deodorant. Okay, I’m done.:)

        • Zana

          OMG… You bring the Sea Org experience home. Yikes!

        • Cece

          Add smoke at least a pack of cigs and use rags because it’s that time of the month and there was no pay this week.

          • SassyBeach

            ….as a woman I have often wondered if the ladies were supplied with their monthly products. Please tell me you are not serious…? No pay meant no provisions??? OMG it does just keep getting worse and worse.

            • Cece

              No pay = no hygiene supplies. AOLA was pretty good paying crew but 50$ a week doesn’t go far especially with 4 kids and treats. I also got commission from book sales etc. so I did pretty good and rarely had a problem with it. What really got behind for crew was dental and medical routine check-ups. There was about 500$ a week allocated for the medical float (for 200 crew) but it was mostly used up for emergencies and guys diabetic stuff. Auditors were taken care of first so if you were say a letter writer you may be worse off depending on the personality of the medical officer. In the near 20 years at AOLA I never had much problem with my fellow staff members. It was nearly always an executive sent in from management I ever had trouble with. Course I never noticed that and wondered just reminded myself I was working for LRH not whom ever.

        • Miss Tia

          oh i always feel inadequate…..

      • aegerprimo

        Yummy!

      • Elegant Mess

        I say do it, Miss Tia! Don’t let them stifle your inner baker. Besides, there is always room for more caek here in the Bunker.

      • I was also trying to think of some “Going Clear” watching party snacks and activities… beans and rice in honor of the Sea Org, a rousing pre-movie game of Musical Chairs (set to “Bohemian Rhapsody,” natch) to get people in the mood, and lots of scotch whiskey to drink during the film itself. (I can’t remember Miscavige’s favorite brand – some very pricey Macallan, right?)

    • Peggy oh!

      Awesome! Maybe we should do a whole Super Going Clear Sunday party recipe book, including food and refreshments! ants on a log… Rice and bean dip, and?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Cool – although, I might just pass on the bean dip:)

        • Peggy oh!

          Okay, how about these? (Pic 2 is happy party version of a slop bucket from the hole)

    • One Human

      Brilliant!

  • Annie Jomes

    That cake! Oh boy. Whoever did the painting of the tone scale on the fondant wasn’t a half-bad artist, but the subject! Also, fondant is not delicious, so most of the tone scale stuff didn’t get eaten, anyway. I suppose they’ve got Scilon bakers, ’cause I can just see the hilarity if they took this idea to a wog baker.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Fondant is just like Scientology, no?

      • Annie Jomes

        It really, really is. Looks okay from the outside, and even supports some things that look good (fancy icing effects/Narconon) if you have no idea what they actually are. Then you taste/experience it, and the disappointment/despair is palpable.

        • Annie Jomes

          This metaphor works even better, because as Observer pointed out, it’s not gel painting on fondant, it’s edible paper medallions, which take exactly zero skill to use. Scientology used to have some skilled people who could get things done. Now, they have flimsy reproductions of the real thing.

          Okay, maybe that’s a little strained. But it works in my head! 🙂

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          And… it ruins your teeth.

    • Observer

      If you look closely you can see it’s not paint–it’s printed on edible paper.

      • Annie Jomes

        Indeed it is. So it’s even more pathetic than I thought, because painting with gel icing on fondant requires some skill, but these doodads? Not a bit. Like you say, you can get the images printed on edible paper, easy-peasy. Oh, Scientology, you’re SO LAME.

        • Observer

          As one of the most able on the planet, I’d expect whoever did the application would be able to stick them on a little less obviously.

      • Zana

        I didn’t know edible paper exists! Hilarious!

        • Ardent

          It does. Some nougat comes in edible paper that dissolves very pleasantly on the tongue.

    • Ardent

      My first impressions was positive! I thought it was a bunch of cheery little fur-people….

  • Simi Valley

    Like Hana, I bailed from one cult only to wind up in the cult of $ickentology. My first “cult” was orthodox Judaism, which is fundamentalist and controls your every move, and in some places (e.g. Israel), they even do the blow drill on people who try to leave.

    • Juicer77

      The blow drill? Really? That’s amazing. Wouldn’t any actions against orthodoxy, i.e. trying to leave, mean they were not pure enough to participate in the community? Wouldn’t they have to go through a lot of purification and ritual to be accepted back?

      • Simi Valley

        No clue, and besides, why would they even want to come back? It’s especially bad for women, who are second-class citizens. Orthodox Jewish men recite this blessing in the morning prayers: “Blessed art thou, o lord our god … for not having made me a woman.” Whereas the women’s version is, “Blessed art thou, o lord our god … for having made me according to your will.”

        • Sid

          A true Scientologist would be aghast at hearing that and think how horrible it is, and then go back to auditing BTs off their ass.

        • Zana

          I used to live in an orthodox neighborhood. I was walking back from my daily jog and a nice lady was standing on the porch with her little boy across the street. She called out and asked if I could help her. I went over and she asked if I would please take a little strip of something out of a box and use the side “comb cutter” (like on scotch tape) to tear it off. She then apologized profusely realizing how strange it sounded…she said it was a religious day and she couldn’t do something like that on that day. Of course, I tore the little thing off and handed it to her – I can’t even remember what it was….just my shock that someone would live in that kind of “jail.” (I’m a free spirit.). Your comment reminded me of that and helps me understand. Thanx.

          • Simi Valley

            That’s one of the tricks they use … many of them think that if they don’t touch object X on day Y that that makes them spiritual and assures them a place in heaven. While at the same time being an embezzler, rapist, con artist, what have you.

            • Juicer77

              (f5)

            • Zana

              Yes. Just like every other “religious” person. I’ve seen that in Christian communities and, as we know, that’s the Modus Operandi for Co$.

          • villagedianne

            Zana you were what is called a Shabbos Goy, just like Elvis:

            http://tabletmag.com/podcasts/182703/elvis-was-our-shabbos-goy

            • Zana

              LOL. !! I’m delighted. !! Thank you!

          • Ardent

            My Dad recalls kids would get great jobs acting as the ‘Shabbas Goy’ for friends and neighbours; they would come in and turn on the lights, the stove, check the furnace, etc. for a bit of allowance. His recollections are all fond, and the families were kind to him and his pals. I don’t think the term ‘Shabbas Goy’ was ever used, at least not to his face.

            • Zana

              So sweet. 🙂 I had no idea it existed. Thank you.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      They ran the largest ecstasy ring ever into the US, from Holland. They’d send them to Israel, on the way home via Holland, where they were packed with pills for years. It seems JFK customs also was dubious to stop and search religious zealots. As we all know just because your religious you’re more apt to break the law.

      • Simi Valley

        True, and the Orthodox thing can act as a cloak. There are and have been plenty of criminals and sexual predators in the group that calls itself Orthodox Jewish.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Well I had an “internet friend” who claimed that their Jewish Orthodox version of male circumcision is actually a new invention? You know the one where the knife off the skin then put their mouth on the screaming baby’s penis to top the bleeding. A few years ago in New York, three babies had died and two survived the herpes virus being given to them by the moil. Bloomberg who was not only mayor but who also gave the largest donations to the church wanted to avoid conflict so he had him picked up by the Jersey Health Dept. Sure enough he came in the next day to find his office full of orthodox Jews to protest. They couldn’t get the parent’s to press charges because they were already getting death threats. Religion, it just gets worse.

          • ScnMonkeyNuts

            Religion–always the worst case scenario.

            Have read The Missionary Position, thank you for the recommendation Todd. Reading The Portable Atheist at the moment (only started it this morning, but it’s great) would recommend it if you haven’t got it already.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              God isn’t good, is a classic.

    • villagedianne

      The blog http://failedmessiah.com/ covers issues related to abuses in Orthodox Judaism. Sadly, there are many stories of cover-ups of child molestation. There was recently an official Royal Commission investigation of cover-ups of child molestation at a Chabad yeshiva in Australia This got lots of coverage in Australian media but not so much here. Also on the blog are many stories related to the type of circumcision referenced by Todd Tomorrow in his above post.
      Hasidic populations offer politicians a bloc vote. In return they get away with a lot, including substandard education, which makes it harder for defectors to succeed in the outside world.
      In case you are wondering, yes I am Jewish. I just don’t like to see abuses by any group.

      • Phil McKraken

        The black hats in Brooklyn recently agreed to stop telling their cultists to keep sexual abuse inside the community, but to go to the police instead. I hope they live up to it.

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      This could be a long essay but let me leave it at this– I assume we are talking about the so called ultra-orthodox, like the Lubavich (sorry about the spelling). I have a friend who was in Scientology for 23 years. His sister went Lubavich about the same time. She has passed away but now, about 45 years later, her family remains there.I am never sure if it is simply a religion I don’t like or a cult but friends tell me it is a cult masquerading as a religion. My mother who would be in her mid ’90s were she alive today, and as gentle a woman as one would ever meet, used to simply say, “Abraham and Isaac didn’t dress like that”. I avoid calling them ultra-orthodox. I think it lends credence to them, suggesting that they are going about Judaism the way it is laid out in the Torah. What I call them depends on who I am talking to. I hear that in Israel where they have far too much political power with the coalition governments, they are called “black hats”.

      • Simi Valley

        No, we are talking about “regular” orthodox.

        • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          I would be called a “non-practicing secular Jew”. My interactions with the orthodox are few.

      • villagedianne

        Very true, Mighty Korgo. There are significant differences between Ultra-Orthodox and Hasidim.

    • Rick Ross’ “Cults Inside Out: How People Get In and Can Get Out” has details on many cults other than the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology, and one of them is jewish.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    For new visitors who may be baffled by the “tribbles” on that cake, there is a good post about the Tone Scale in the Bunker Archives.

    Here you go: http://www.grammarcheck.net/editor/

    (And refresh for image of the source of those pesky little critters)

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Those critters are what I imagine the germs look like when they invade my body when I get my yearly cold. Pshew!

      • Anonymous Confused Person

        Interesting. There are 59 points of tone, or whatever you call them. Only 13 of them are smiling (and one of them is a negative attribute). So that means that, according to Scientologists, of all of the states that a person can be in, only 22% of them (counting “covert hostility”) result in a person being happy. If you discount “covert hostility”, it’s only about 20%.

        Going on Once_Born’s post to me about Hubbard’s Malignant Narcissim, this makes sense. It reflects his distrust and misanthropy.

        And the actual numbers are so amusingly random. “We can’t actually space out the points on the tone scale evenly — it won’t look scientific!”

        • Phil McKraken

          Hubbard probably could have spaced the tone values out properly if he used calculus, bu then Hubbard didn’t see anything useful about calculus. He was more into dickulus.

      • aegerprimo

        They do look similar to the H1N1 flu virus….

    • Hubbard plagiarised ‘the tone scale (not to mention the e-meter) from one Volney Mathison.

      Mathison’s less elaborate version is described at https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/07/04/the-story-of-the-e-meter-part-3-back-to-the-future/ )

  • Miss Tia

    um, i have a round 2 of haiku tweets today…..my brain won’t shut up!

    Darkness of secrets
    Can’t withstand the light of truth
    Scis can’t block this light
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    Fortune reversal
    Eyes of scrutiny on them
    The angry eyes burn
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    Checking cable bills
    Of public for H.B.O.
    Would Sci Church do this?
    #YesTheyWould #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    Sci church is whining
    So much that there’s not enough
    Cheese for them to have
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    Prison of belief
    The bars and shackles are real
    But you hold the key
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear #Unlock

    Denial not a defense
    Just a river in Egypt
    No excuse Tom Cruise
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear #TomCruise

    Sci church impotent
    Should prove to one and all there’s
    No O.T. powers
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    An ant on the moon
    Could make more of an impact
    Than scis against doc
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear #HBO

    Ocean waves stronger
    Than the pebbles Sci church toss
    Truths washing ashore
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    Truth a natural force
    One can bend it and lie, but
    truth always conquers
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    • Allie

      Excellent as always, Miss Tia. Your haikus beautifully capture the essence of Scientology.

      • joan nieman

        Ocean waves washing truth to the shore….my fave.

  • Richard

    • Skallene

      Ugliest cake on top of the ugliest star.

      • SassyBeach

        Amen!

  • nottrue

    ….

    • Mrs. V.

      Yay Carl!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      93 years on this planet. God bless Carl Reiner.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Holy cowboy.

    • One Human

      I expect Mel Brooks may also see this then, they are movie watching pals.

      • Captain MustSavage

        Mel, and 87,000+ followers, oh some of whom might be bigwigs in the movie business. Notice how he calls it an organisation, not a church. Your cover is blown, scientology.

      • villagedianne

        I can’t resist:
        Mel Brooks could re-make The Producers, only the play-within-a-play could be about Scientologists.

        • KingofSweden

          Or perhaps Battlefield Earth: The Musical!

          • Jenstnick

            Oh please!!!! That would the worst and in the most excellent way.

          • Robert Eckert

            “It’s Springtime for Xenu, and Marcabia…”

          • thetastic

            Funnier than a tone scale cake!

        • One Human

          Plans for ‘Springtime For Hitler’ and the Super Power Building fundraising do have a lot in common.

      • Suzy

        Oh my gosh, if Mel Brooks made a satire about the church…..that would be so freaking awesome

        • One Human

          I dream of such a thing!
          I’d settle for a ‘2000 Year Old Man’ bit about what a putz LRH was at every point in his whole track.

    • Angry Elf

      Isn’t this great? Carl Reiner is one of the most respected, most level headed people in “the business”. I just love it!!!!!!

  • ShoopZ

    The Countdown Continues – 7 days (refresh)

    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      Yay! The Monty Python foot squishing DM. Thank you ShoopZ 🙂

  • sugarplumfairy

    Ohhhhh.. It’s a tone scale cake.. I thought maybe it was a body thetan cake..

  • stillgrace2

    One week to go before “Going Clear” airs on HBO. I can’t wait and you know I’ll be here!
    O/T and on a personal note: I landed an awesome R&D-Think-Tank job recently and regret that I won’t be in the bunker for comments much anymore during weekdays. I will still support the bunker and read every article Tony writes. It’s Bunker weekends for me!

    • Allie

      Congrats stillgrace! Sounds like a fascinating job. We’ll look forward to you popping in on weekends.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That’s sounds like a spectacular job!

      • stillgrace2

        I’m so excited. It’s imperative that I teach myself to think in micrometers and nanometers, however. I think in mils and convert in my head to metric … and that process is just too laborious for me to keep up with my new colleagues. Luckily, I am a firm believer that old cats can learn new tricks … well, back to my flashcards.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You can do eet! Just like anything else, practice practice and then really practice!

    • Juicer77

      You mean you have a LIFE outside the Bunker? I guess the troll was wrong 🙂 Congrats and have fun with the learning curve! You’ll get it.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Congratulations stillgrace!

  • Mark

    Could I impose on you as a fellow-Bunkerite for a moment and ask you to sign this petition at change dot org? Started as a result of the recent Dublin ‘Scientology: Enough Is Enough’ conference, it’s been up for just over a week now, but still hasn’t reached 200 signatories. Thanking you in advance—every little helps!

    https://www.change.org/p/i-r-s-revoke-the-tax-exempt-status-of-the-church-of-scientology?source_location=petition_footer&algorithm=promoted

    • sugarplumfairy

      Oh, HELL yes..

    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      Done.

    • aegerprimo

      Signed it!

    • Dibythesea

      Mark- I read this blog everyday and I did not know about this petition.
      Could you post it several times a day like the red-x spreadsheet and the Milner vote?

      • Mark

        Good idea! (I only found out about it yesterday).

  • Suzy

    My Google NBC News Feed is screwed up, it keeps giving me different headlines with the same Marty Rathbun sub-header. It’s enturbulatingly funny

    • Anonymous Confused Person

      I think you have found the best new meme ever.

      • Suzy

        I will clip and post more if they keep changing 🙂

        • Elegant Mess

          Please do! That’s hilarious. 🙂

  • nottrue
    • Deadpool

      The plane scene is real btw. Damn shame he’s an asshole cuz that looks amazing.

      • I don’t believe for a second Tom Cruise was hanging onto the side of a plane as it took off.

    • Beth

      The press junkets for MI5 will be fascinating. For one thing, Alec Baldwin has already commented on GC I believe. Is he bound by contract to do publicity with Cruise? He’s a brawler :-))))))))

    • Robert Eckert

      At least he runs with his shirt off.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Boo!

    • ze moo

      He did have a harness on and was bolted to the airplane. Still, nice stunt. But that is what MI has always been. Nice stunts with no real acting.

  • Observer

    Where is Captain Miscavige, anyway? Why isn’t he front and center, defending his religion and his faithful followers personally? Surely a a Big Being can make mincemeat of his critics!

    refresh

    • Ben Franklin

      A fake captain, with a fake captain uniform. hmmmm, let me guess, hiding somewhere like a true coward that he is?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I recognize that office…

    • Newiga

      I’ve always wondered how it would play out if he was to give another interview in front of TV cameras. How would he respond to the accusations or answer questions about his violent behaviour, human rights abuses within the organisation or defend the lies about expansion? I’m sure he’d play the biggot, religious persecution, bitter defrocked apostates cards but what then?

      • Zana

        He’d punch the interviewer’s lights out

      • Ben Franklin

        I don’t think you will see Miscavige do any interview soon. He is terrified to death. Marty and Mike talked about it

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99-CeOxemS4

        • Newiga

          I agree 100%, BF. Still, I can’t help imaging how he’d behave. I’d be a PR suicide for sure.

          • Observer

            At this point it would just be pouring gasoline on the fire.

        • That’s the best description of Lil Davey insanity I’ve ever seen.

        • Zana

          Love this video! No wonder the cult is sinking like a rock. It’s hard to imagine someone as inept as DM. I see the result, however, this video of Marty and Mike shows me it’s like Laurel and Hardy in DM’s world.

        • sumertin

          That’s a great video. I had never seen it before. But my heart goes out to that fish! Matry’s practically performing oral surgery on it while casually talking about DM’s media tactics. I’m trying to pay attention to their stories but I can’t help watching that little guy squirm!

          • Ardent

            I thought I was the only one on Earth who found fishing repulsive.
            If you need to eat, obviously go fishing. Otherwise…Ugh! (only my opinion)

            • sumertin

              I agree 100%. If you want fish for dinner, go ahead. But murdering animals for sport is really a horrible human activity.

        • Ardent

          Brilliant. And funny, too.

      • Observer

        I think he’d be so crippled by panic that he’d stutter, wet himself, and then flee.

        • Newiga

          LMAO, I’d be willing to listen through some Sherman speak just to see that.

    • Allie

      My vote is photo #2 – without question, a coward!

  • aegerprimo

    That cake looks like it has fuzzy mold growing on it.
    ………….

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    PAGING LUCILLE AUSTERO!

    There’s a cat toy down thread that would doubtless love to discuss robots and underpants with you.

    • aegerprimo

    • Lucille Austero

      Really? I was just dreaming of having my own tone scale cake. Oh well!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Hey Lucille! You got here after I’d left for brunch. Yes, brunch. You’d think we lived in Orange County, we’ve gone so upscale here. My wife’s idea…

  • Anonymous Confused Person

    Wait, hang on a second. If you tell us that Scientology’s been dead-agenting Hana over her brother’s murder of her father and then tell us you’re going to tell us the real story, it’s a little confusing to then go over Hana’s history with the Sea Org. Especially when you’ve told us that she was earlier part of a family cult. I’m presuming that the family cult situation is what drove her brother to kill their father – am I on the right track?

    • Robert Eckert

      Tony is giving a tease rather than a spoiler: the full story will be in Hana’s book, which Tony wants us all to be eager to buy. Is it working?

      • Betsy

        Well, she has one advance buyer here.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Two..

          • ScnMonkeyNuts

            Me three 🙂

          • Betsy

            OK! Hana, don’t spend your time lolling about. Get writing!

        • Dancing Cranberry

          Four

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It’s almost like he knows what he’s doing.

      • Anonymous Confused Person

        Well, duh. ; ) Of course I’m going to buy the book. Even if it’s all revealed here (which, in proper style, it won’t be).

      • Toni m

        Yes.

    • Observer

      He didn’t say he was going to tell us the real story. He said it would make a gripping part of Hana’s book.

      • Anonymous Confused Person

        Ah, I see that now. I saw it as an introductory paragraph, but I see it can also be read on its own.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Have a lovely day, everyone. I am off to brunch with my wife and friends.

    Brunch. What a girlie way to spend the day…

    • Always Amazed

      You say that like it’s a bad thing.

      Enjoy ddd!

    • Elegant Mess

      No, brunch can be quite masculine. I can think you’d have only been accused of doing girly stuff if you stated that you were having a champagne brunch followed by a spa day. 😉

      Now go enjoy your manly brunch!

    • 1subgenius

      Brunch: late riser meal where it’s OK to get smashed.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I am back. Mimosas were the order of the day, but as I am the designated driver… of… everyone and everything, I did not indulge.

        • 1subgenius

          How dreadful.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Enjoy the Champ. It’s what brunch was made for drinking on a Sunday!

    • Embrace your inner girlie. Chicks dig it . . .

    • Unex Skcus

      Not if you have a Bloody Mary with it.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Just one week to go.
    If you just can’t wait, have at these lies here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

  • ze moo

    Notice what I guess is Lroons Birthday party at some large venue. Notice how many of the private box seats are empty? I seems a lot of whales didn’t show up. What’s up with that?

    Remember to vote for your favorite furry friends.

    http://www.milner.com/jumpstart/jumpstart-tampa

    • Betsy

      Oooh, thanks, moo. Meow!

    • Ardent

      Voted. Thanks, Moo

    • aegerprimo

      Site says it cannot display results of votes until tomorrow. Post a screenshot for us tomorrow okay?

      • aegerprimo

        FYI the screenshot of the message….

  • Anonymous Confused Person

    I’d like to know the Hana process. We get cherch trolls here from time to time. Maybe we can talk to them (although, sadly, I suspect that many of them just post their pro-cherch stuff and then don’t bother to read the responses).

    On that, though, I’m curious: coming here to post /would/ get someone in trouble, right? A zealous person might think “I’m striking a blow for the cherch!” but then they’d actually land in some hot water, yes?

    • Ben Franklin

      Some of them do and actually try to debate here with people, but they disappear very quiclky once they realise they don’t have an answer and have to go back and figure out how they can answer the type of question if asked again in future.

      • Ardent

        I’m not so sure, Ben. I think we tend to be pretty nasty to them. I have frequently thought either my favorite “Ignore Tech’, or a polite ‘hello, thanks for visiting’ would cause more of these folks to re-think their faith…

        • Juicer77

          I try to use the nice/keep the questions flowing technique. Note that I was called several names and didn’t care to respond. I will use “confront”, cause I got that in spades, but I don’t intend to shatter, only help. 🙂

      • Allie

        It must be hard for them when they start out confidently making a statement and then 67 bunkeroos offer comments, ask questions, challenge them, share statistics, etc. Most don’t last very long. Most of the Bunkeroos know more than the trolls or whoever they are. So they shrink into oblivion.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I do not like to be nasty to them because I never know if a bit of human kindness may just get through…

    • Juicer77

      Some are knuckleheads trolling for lulz, not $camatologists. This one seemed Attack/Never Defend enough to be real. Also he/she flip flopped between representing as an Indie vs. a staff member. I smell a staff member or Sea Argher. No matter what they do, they will be punished by the Co$ for some transgression, real or imagined. Classic damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Hence my many messages requesting they think about our points when they’re on the RPF. That “Davey’s not important” comment will be their downfall. Off-script and anti-DM? That’s the worst sin of all in the Co$.

      • Anonymous Confused Person

        I’m rather anxious for the poster. Things could get bad for her or him. I hope she or he remembers what we’ve said here when the punishment comes down, and wonders why she or he isn’t free to communicate with /any/one about /any/thing when that’s one of the claimed benefits of cherch training.

        • Juicer77

          Often the cult mindset shatters when the punishment comes down on them personally, or they are forced to disconnect. A bitter pill, to be sure, but almost always effective at making an Ex.

  • madame duran

    There’s cake…then there’s caek…then there’s Scientology to depress the hell out of everybody.
    If the baked lameness was created by a non-Scientologist, they should be fired. If it was done by a Scientologist, it’s a sign they need to be released from the RPF.

  • Peggy oh!

    Sung To the tune of Rosanna:

    All I want to do when I wake up in the morning and read your book!
    oh Hana, Oh Hana
    I never thought that a girl like you could set so many free, oh hana
    All I want to do in the middle of the evening is read your book!
    oh Hana, Oh Hana

    I can see your face still shining through the window on the other side
    oh Hana, Oh Hana
    I didn’t know that a girl like you could make OSA FAIL so bad, oh Hana
    All I want is for you to tell the world tell and the world and tell the world!
    oh Hana, Oh Hana

    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      Brilliant Peggy 🙂 (Like the avi too.)

      • Peggy oh!

        Thanks go to to Beauty for Ashes- they gave me the avi, along with three other very tough to choose from choices!

        That song pooped in my head when I was reading the post!

        Oh Hana! We love you!

  • Vileda

    As a sum: HBO documentary will not wipe out Scientology. No media publication can and will. Besides, Scientology is winning the legal cases that are filed against it. Most judges don’t fall for the media propaganda.

    Scientology will stay and grow, and you guys are just tiny pimples of hatred who have nothing better to do than hate.

    Somebody asked why most Scientologists ignore you people. Scientologists do more in REAL LIFE. For them, the Internet is just one thing in life and not everything in life as it is for you.

    They don’t spent their days and nights posting nasty stuff on the Internet, they go out and interact with the real world. Real life is more important to them than blogs and comments that nobody reads but you guys.

    Some of you said that there are no people in Scientology because the orgs are photographed without them. How can you see the beautiful inside if it is packed with people? You don’t. That is why the pictures are taken after late hours.

    Wishing you a pleasant Sunday. I do now things in the real world. I rather accomplish things than wasting my time on the net. So, please excuse me now.

    • 1subgenius

      kbaithnx

      • Robert Eckert

        You misspelled “thx”

        • 1subgenius

          thx

        • 1subgenius

          Yeah, I suck at internetting.

    • Observer

      ….

    • 1subgenius

      -.– — ..- / … – ..- .–. .. -.. / ..-. ..- -.-. -.- .. -. –. / -.-. .-.. .- — / – .-. — .-.. .-.. / –. . – / – …. . / ..-. ..- -.-. -.- / — ..- – / — ..-. / …. . .-. . / .- -. -.. / –. — / .– .- … – . / -.– — ..- .-. / — -. .-.. -.– /.-.. .. ..-. .

      • Newiga

        .. / … . . / .– …. .- – / -.– — ..- / -.. .. -.. / – …. . .-. .

        • i-Betty

          Am I the only person here who doesn’t know Morse Code? I must’ve cheated to get my Girl Guide Morse Code badge.

          • Newiga
            • 1subgenius

              I’ll be forever grateful to EE.

          • Observer

            Nope!

          • 1subgenius

            I just had to.
            (oooops Australian gg)

            • i-Betty

              Dib dib dob 😀

          • Ardent

            No, I confess I only know ‘SOS’. You know, in case of emergency.

          • villagedianne

            I thought something was wrong with my screen. Or Disqus was acting up again, in a novel and even more annoying way.

            • i-Betty

              Sorry! 😀

        • i-Betty

          .. / -.-. — ..- .-.. -.. / …. .- …- . / .- / .-.. — – / — ..-. / ..-. ..- -. / .– .. – …. / – …. .. …

          • Newiga

            Yes, you could! I miss playing hide and seek in the dark and using morse code to take a piss at the one who was seeking.

          • Toni m

            I didn’t know we have aliens in The Bunker.

      • i-Betty

        .—- … ..- -… –. . -. .. ..- … –..– / .. / .– .. .-.. .-.. / .–. ..- – / -.– — ..- / — …- . .-. / — -.– / -.- -. . . –..– / -.– — ..- / -. .- ..- –. …. – -.– / -… — -.–

    • madame duran
    • Juicer77

      See you on the RPF. I hope you are able to survive with your sanity and health intact.

    • 1subgenius

      I’ve actually always wondered: what is it specifically that you do all day?

      • grundoon

        Morning: Fill out loan applications so I can “do” my next “status.”
        Afternoon: Visit Grandma, remind her that she can’t take it with her, ask for inheritance now.
        Evening: Continue GAT 2 SRD at the Org. Already completed 88 hours of Book and Bottle. In 12 more hours I’ll be done!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Midnight: Write success story how he handled the Bunker SP’s now that he is totally certain he is totally free.

    • nottrue

    • Newiga

      I hope you see that Scientology is not growing at the moment but struggling to keep is current members in and coughing up “donations”. I hope you understand that few if none here are filled with hatred but compassion towards those who’ve been abused by Scientology. I hope your days and nights are not consumed by slaving away for Scientology. I hope you have a nice Sunday. I hope you look at the facts and WTFU.

    • 1subgenius

      No one goes there anymore, it’s too crowded.

    • JMasiulewicz

      “I do now things in the real world”. I read book. I learn speak well. I write internet good write words.

      • Ardent

        Probably English as a second language, I guess. Recall all the Eastern Europeans we have seen recently in ‘win’ portraits.

        • Robert Eckert

          Or it’s just Marco. Noseinabk downthread showed him hanging at one of Marco’s sites.

        • L. C. Spencer

          I was thinking a Romance language rather than Slavic, but I could be wrong. Its English is almost good enough to pass. Almost.

    • i-Betty

      Hi, Vileda. It’s nice to meet you. You and I may be at polar ends of the spectrum when it comes to Scientology’s abusive practices, but I hope we can always come together over a cup of tea and debate without resorting to name-calling.

      Wishing you a pleasant Sunday.

      PS. I know you’ll laugh when I tell you that in the UK a ‘Vileda’ is a brand of floor mop.

      • Newiga

        In Finland too. In fact, my floor met Mr. Vileda just this afternoon.

      • joan nieman

        Ha ha! No wonder she said she was busy doing important things. She has to swab the decks.

        • i-Betty

          😛

    • Yes, do go out and feed the poor and help the elderly. Those WTH tracts aren’t going to had themselves out, now are they?

    • joan nieman

      You are excused.

    • One Human

      Oh, but we are accomplishing things, just wait and see!

    • Ben Franklin

      You will never know the truth until you go searching for it. In the meantime keep burying your head in the sand if that is what makes you happy.

    • aegerprimo

      That reminds me… I need to go cash my check from the Psychs at Big Pharma.

      • ScnMonkeyNuts

        Their mailing department’s getting sloppy, mine arrived weeks ago 🙂

        • Sid

          You should sign up for direct deposit.

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        mine must be lost in the mail 🙁 i am still waiting !

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Me too.

      • Sid

        Did you get your bonus check this month?

        • BeezleBobby

          I think the posting stats required to qulify for bonuses is unreasonable! UNIONIZE!!

      • Juicer77

        I’m waiting for free samples. Paying for my prescriptions is getting annoying!

        • Ardent

          I’m being gouged horribly, myself. Ouch!

      • Ardent

        I wish!

      • Mrs. V.

        Once I get my check, I can finally retire and spend all my life in my bubble posting nasty things about scientology.

    • 1subgenius

      “…there are no people in Scientology because the orgs are photographed without them. How can you see the beautiful inside if it is packed with people? You don’t. That is why the pictures are taken after late hours.”
      But wait, why is the sun shining in them?

      • Mrs. V.

        Since they’re so broke and empty, every hour is after-hours.

    • Just a Guest

      Don’t worry Vileda. These guys live in a bubble where they actually believe that are not more than 50,000 Scientologists all over the world. (LOL) They don’t even realize what actually there is behind this so called “documentary”, they are soooo enthusiastic about Gibney’s movie that they will believe everything in it! Just flourish and prosper…They hate that!

      • Robert Eckert

        Second shift, huh? No, actually we don’t believe there are 50,000 Scientologists all over the world. We believe that there used to be that many, some years ago, but that most of them have since left, or gone under the radar.

        • Ardent

          Yep. On a generous day, I’ll allow for, in reality, not in insanity, 48,999 Actual Scientologists. And I might have had something to drink when I feel such largesse.
          I might add, for the sake of you Scientologists reading today’s Bunker that, in truth, we are made up of “once-in’ people and ‘never-in’ people. You may ask: “why would a never-in give a damn about my faith?”, and imagine that the ‘once-in’ folks are all either criminal in the eyes of Ethics, or in some way nuts. The answers are reasonable and simple: the ‘never-in’ people, like myself, have a real concern for the plight of those trapped (sorry) in the mind-loop of the faith, and the depredations caused by the faith within families and indeed society at large. You don’t perceive this, I know. I am speaking softly, and I do understand that you simply can’t see it. As for the ‘once-in’ folk, well, I can’t speak for every one of them, but they too are primarily motivated by a desire to help those still INSIDE the faith to leave and find the safety and solace that actually does exist ‘out here’.
          In short, The Bunker , despite frequent outbursts of upset and rage, is an attempt to help. And you know what? People really have left the Scientology game and joined the world, and are happy and fulfilled. Really. Honest.

      • Sid

        Well actually we don’t hate it when people flourish and prosper. That’s why we dislike Scientology driving so many into bankruptcy.

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        Please go to the library where you are free to research everything about Scientology.Don’t believe everything you are told. Go find out both sides on your own.

      • grundoon

        Try 15,000 and falling. Soon the 72 of us will outnumber you.

        • Just a Guest

          67

          • Sid

            You sure defend hard something you don’t fully believe in yourself.

          • Juicer77

            you funny, Guest. Stick around and you might learn something 😉

      • Panopea Abrupta

        You live in the bubble.
        And the bubble is awash with Kool-Ade.

        Less than 3000 in England ( last census)
        Less than 2000 in Australia ( last census).

        Where are they?

        Couldn’t even fill the Dolby Theater last night (capacity 3,401) – yet LA is the hub of the $cilon world.
        You say, no, Clearwater is.
        Oh, yeah?
        When the SuperPower Building opened 16 months ago, this was as many as could gather:
        A few thousand at the biggest event in years when it is maintained by the “Church” that there are 10,000 $cilons in the Clearwater region.

        Your “acceptable truths” about Co$ membership will no longer fly.
        The world is learning the truth.
        Why don’t you?

      • madame duran

        Your comment is gonna sound really, really foolish by this time next year (it sounds silly already but you just don’t realize it yet). Enjoy the endless regging…er…fundraising!

      • edge

        Your Flag events are still held at Ruth Eckerd Hall, which seats 2100. Your birthday event was moved from the 6000 seat Shrine to the 3,400 seat Dolby. By the way, you guys hype your media capabilities and your upcoming SMP, but you’re still tape delaying events, not even live-streaming them let alone satellite broadcast. Could it be that it simply isn’t viable? Valley is still not done (how many years is that now? And how much money have you sucked out of Nancy Cartwright?) Your slick and expensive scientology.org is ranked 40,000 in the US, as opposed to Tony’s blog, which is ranked 23,000. Nearly 15 percent of scientology.org’s traffic comes from India. Gotta keep those clickfarms running! Lastly, I believe 50,000 is generous. I believe it’s more 25-30,000.

        But hey, what are facts next to L. Ron Hubbard Kool-Aid? Is he sipping on that while relaxing on Target Two?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I hope every one of the millions of scientologists cancels their HBO subscription so the producers will apologize and pull the documentary from the schedule. Or, at the very least, all the millions of OT’s can just postulate that HBO will suddenly just decide it’s the greatest good for the greatest number and do it themselves.

        Because then you can know, I mean, just Know, you know?, with total certainty, that there are more than a few thousands left on Teegeack. If they don’t, then every last one of them should be declared and kicked out! Who needs degraded dilettantes like that in their club?

        • Mrs. V.

          If anything, I am even more certain that I am definitely going to get my subscription to HBO so I can watch on Sunday. I even have friends coming over to watch with pizza and celebratory wine. You’d think it would be the opposite if the tech worked.

      • Eileen

        Not true. We do not believe there are 50,000 Scientologists in the world. We believe there are 2490 scientologists in the world.

    • Sid

      What do you mean by, “you people”?

      • grundoon

        Vileda speaks in generalities.

        • Sid

          I was attempting humor. Obviously failing.

          • grundoon

            Me too. Oh well.

    • Sid

      We don’t like to be called ‘pimples’. We prefer the term Ex-Dianetic volcanos.

    • Cindy

      Where’s Shelly?

    • Anonymous Confused Person

      Well, thank you for visiting (sincerely meant). I do hope you keep your word and see the documentary when it comes back. I would like to know what your impressions of it were once you have actually seen it. Once again, I hope that having come here doesn’t blow up on you. If it does, please ask yourself why you aren’t allowed to freely communicate with anyone (that includes us) if your cherch claims that this is what the training enables you to do. Don’t let them bully you into thinking that it’s your duty to ignore us. You should be free to respond to us how /you/ see fit, not them.

      Again, hope to see you again here soon.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      The Briefing Course, where auditors are made, does not exist anymore. It’s been 15 years, and in reality, only a few hundred of the same names have cycled through OT 6. The same names are also on their third spin the bridge wheel, even tortured themselves with the Super Powers Hubbard meant to “help” staff too dumb and degraded to take the usual route, still arrogant, most bankrupt, on their 4th marriagre and dont even know where the rest of the family is – and that judge never heard of a David Miscavige.

      But other than that, Winning!

    • edge

      Yes, you do operate in the real world. You reg real dollars from real people so they can exorcise their imaginary space cooties and build empty buildings. Take a walk around Boston org why don’t you? Or Seattle, or Denver (preferably not on Rockies game days. Those fans want good parking spots.)

      • Missionary Kid

        Of course, the Boston org isn’t in Boston any more, and the Santa Barbara org isn’t in Santa Barbara.

        • stillgrace2

          And the Los Gatos org has always been in San Jose, CA.

    • HanniballtheFirst

      You will get a lot of smuck comments in this forum, but that means nothing.

      Vileda, you probably joined some time back Scientology because it appeared to align with some of your goals. Like with me being a conscientious objector looking for ways to change the world in a non violent way. The concept of helping and improving one person at a time to achieve a world without war sounded great. During your years in Scientology you probably have seen your share of insanity, injustices and greed in the Church. If not, you would most likely not be posting here. What kept me going despite the obvious crank going on in the Church, was that I tried to stay true to my ideals and goals and I had really no idea about the depth and extent of the betrayal committed by LRH and the Church. I could have never fathomed it in my wildest dreams. Be warned, once you dare to look you are in for quite a shock.
      So I am not going to tell you this or that about LRH and DM, others have told it already and it is there to look for yourself.

      Just know you are being lied too and played like a fiddle by the Church when it comes to LRH and Scientology. And what probably makes you stick with it are the best intentions you had to begin with and now you are wasting your life and your time by being stuck to this trap.

      If you want to start looking this is a great place to start: http://www.friendsoflrh.org/COBvsLRH/ this may help you to understand the source of the insanity in the Church.

      And then if you look further ask yourself how is it possible that almost 98% of the original staff working with LRH in Saint Hill are declared suppressives. (https://androvillans.wordpress.com/category/st-hill-tech-staff-declared-sps/)

      If you dig deeper on this question you will find that LRH has made almost everybody who was ever close to him into an enemy. Still the Church projects the image of Ron you know and has nothing to do with the real Ron (and they know it). Understanding this maybe the most difficult part. I know many people who silently left the church but still feel their “loyalty is with LRH”.

      The only way to gain back your life and your ideals you had when you joined is to look for the truth as horrendous, wicked and upsetting it may be. I am not going to lie to you, you will be appalled and shocked about what you find out on your journey, but that is still better than wasting your life with the lies that surround you right now.

      Good luck my friend.

    • Allie

      Many years ago Scientology photos showed lots of people studying in the orgs. Then after Davey started buying and redecorating all the fancy shiny buildings, the emphasis became showing off the buildings themselves & no more photos of people in them. I thought Scientology was about people and clearing the planet. IStudying and auditing to fulfill the mission? Davey should get over his notion that buildings impress people. Big fail!

      • I suspect that the practice of showing pictures of people in the orgs was also discontinued because those images had to be replaced whenever anyone who appeared in them left the CofS or was declared.

        Since a very high proportion of Scientologist leave, or are declared, this can be expensive and inconvenient – it’s easier to publish images of empty buildings instead.

        • Allie

          Good point, Once Born. I hadn’t thought of that, but it makes perfect sense. Thank you for your comment. I keep learning new things every day.

    • sumertin

      Vileda, I’m sure you won’t read this, but I’m still going to respond to your post as sincerely as I can:

      “As a sum: HBO documentary will not wipe out Scientology.”
      That’s true. While many here believe that next Sunday’s HBO premiere will have some kind of “instant” effect, they are mistaken. The deterioration of Scientology will continue to be gradual, but this film will undoubtably accelerate the process.

      “Most judges don’t fall for the media propaganda.”
      You have it backwards. Most judges don’t fall for Scientology propaganda. Yes, there is still some corruption in the justice system but the days of Scientology successfully tampering with the courts is nearing an end.

      “Scientology will stay and grow”
      Scientology may stay but it is quickly shrinking. And it will continue to shrink. There is no hope for a reversal. You’ll figure this out soon enough.

      “you guys are just tiny pimples of hatred who have nothing better to do than hate.”
      I’ll admit there is something of a gang-mentality on this site and bullying does occur. (In fact I bore the brunt of it the other day). But most who comment here are extremely caring, empathetic, intelligent people who truly want to help those in your kind of situation. And many here have decades of experience in your church.
      And yes it’s true that some people theses day are dangerously addicted to their phones and screens and gadgets and whatnot – and should probably get out more – but that’s their business.
      But believe me, this site is ultimately a force for good.

      “Some of you said that there are no people in Scientology because the orgs are photographed without them.”
      Most orgs are practically empty and can barely keep the lights on. Many have closed already. And many more will be closing in the months ahead. You are being misled by people who you have been conditioned to trust. Why not visit some of them yourself?

      “Wishing you a pleasant Sunday.”
      You too. Be well.

    • stillgrace2

      three hours later … and you were still here posting. Where is the strength of your convictions?
      How can we miss you if you won’t go away?

    • villagedianne

      Scientologists do more in REAL LIFE.

      Like fair-gaming Marty Rathbun and his wife? Like harassing Mike Rinder in a doctor’s parking lot? Like creating attack websites of it’s critics?

      These are some of Scientologist’s real-life accomplishments. Don’t Scientologists have anything better to do?

  • i-Betty

    Surely Silvertail Books in the UK will be biting Hana’s hand off to publish her book after publishing other heavyweight critics like:

    Tony Ortega’s The Unbreakable Miss Lovelyhttp://www.silvertailbooks.com/portfolio-post/the-unbreakable-miss-lovely/

    John Sweeney’s The Church of Fearhttp://www.silvertailbooks.com/portfolio-post/the-church-of-fear/

    • MaxSpaceman

      Betty- is there a London # — can you see if Pete knows, or … — to replace the invalid # on the post just above from Juicer ? (’twas moi who posted it yester, and Aeger said it’s not valid #.)

      • i-Betty

        I mentioned to Juicer a bit further down that we left several messages on the #’s answerphone over a period of months and they were never returned so we’re assuming it’s no longer in service. I can ask in SPs whether anyone has a different contact number. Good plan 🙂