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The shocking case of Scientology mistreatment of the mentally ill you haven’t heard

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Last May, in a small Arkansas town, a sheriff’s deputy arrived at a large house to help an ambulance crew with an unusual call.

He went into the basement of the house, which had a ground floor entry, and on the stairway leading to the kitchen on the next floor there was a woman sitting on the stairs.

We’re going to call this woman Candace. She was with her caregiver, a man we’re going to call Jim.

Here’s how the sheriff’s deputy described the scene in an incident report which was obtained by the Underground Bunker…

Upon my arrival, [Candace] was on the stairwell to the house with her caregiver trying to get her down the stairs. She was extremely bloody and her skin appeared to be blue as if she had already lost a tremendous amount of blood. She was refusing to come down the stairs but she was bleeding very badly and there was blood all over the area where she was at.

The 32-year-old woman had cut her hand, deeply, in what appeared to be a suicide attempt — her caregiver, Jim, would later claim she had broken a small bottle in frustration and had accidentally hurt herself.

The deputy watched as the ambulance crew and Jim tried in vain to get her down the stairs. Jim explained that “she had mental issues and he was paid to care for her,” the deputy noted.

Another deputy had to handcuff Candace to get her down the stairs so they could get her on a gurney and into the ambulance. But before the ambulance could drive away, Candace escaped from the vehicle and began running away.

She was caught, and then she was bundled into the back of a patrol car that took her to a local hospital.

Her condition was shocking, the first deputy noted.

She smelled as if she had not bathed in about two months. Her hands and toes were black with dirt. Her hair was matted into a knot….I was contacted by the doctor at the ER who advised that he had some bungee cords that it appeared that she had been tied up with. He advised that she has some ligature marks on her wrist that were consistent with being restrained.

For more than a year, Candace had been held in a basement in a small Arkansas town, and was found with evidence that she had been tied down with bungee cords, allowed to live in filthy conditions, and was malnourished.

Her caregiver, Jim, has not been charged with a crime. But he was surprisingly candid when he was asked later in a sworn deposition to explain how and why a malnourished, filthy woman had lived in his basement — and while he got paid $750 a week to “care” for her.

It turned out that he was happy to explain the situation. He was a Scientologist, the treatment he was giving the woman was standard Scientology “technology,” and the year before, his treatment of her had begun at a Scientology-style rehab facility in the Tennessee countryside.

In fact, Jim was convinced his care was the only way Candace would ever get well, and he was fighting to get custody of her, so he could continue to heal her with Scientology.

Today, Candace is a ward of the state of Arkansas, deeply unwell and living at a state hospital. And this is how she ended up there.

 

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[Hubbard at Saint Hill Manor, 1966]

 
In Going Clear, Alex Gibney’s documentary which airs on HBO March 16, portions of an interview with Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard are shown that were filmed in May 1966 at Hubbard’s English estate, Saint Hill Manor.

At one point, Hubbard is asked if Scientology is an “extension” of psychology and psychiatry, and he makes a face.

“Don’t associate Scientology with such people! That’s terrible, that’s bad manners, you know,” Hubbard says with a laugh. Then he explains how Scientology was meant to make the able more able, and it wasn’t designed to heal the mentally unwell: “Psychotherapy…that’s for the neurotic or the person who is insane or something like that. It has nothing to do with Scientology. Scientology is for an able guy like you, or like me, able to function in life, able to make his own way, does his work and so forth.”

A few years later, Hubbard changed his mind about that. By 1973, he was running Scientology from the deck of the yacht Apollo after he’d been chased out of the United States and the UK by investigations and process servers. At some point that year on his journey through the Mediterranean and Atlantic, a crew member had a nervous breakdown and became violent. Hubbard’s solution was to lock the man up in a cabin and deprive him of all human contact except for a single auditor (Scientology’s version of a counselor). The man calmed down, and Hubbard announced that his method — which he called the “introspection rundown” — was the answer to handling all individuals suffering from psychoses.

Hubbard hated psychiatry, and to this day one of Scientology’s most active front groups, the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) maintains a facility on Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood called Psychiatry: An Industry of Death Museum.

But Scientology not only believes that the psychiatric profession is a fraud. It also believes it has the answers for treating serious mental illness. And that belief has repeatedly resulted in disaster.

The most well known example of the Introspection Rundown ending badly happened in 1995, when Lisa McPherson, a church member from Texas, was involved in a minor car accident in Florida and, though she appeared unharmed, took her clothes off in the middle of the road. When doctors tried to give her a psychiatric examination, her fellow Scientologists took her out of the hospital and instead installed her in the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater, Scientology’s spiritual headquarters. She was then subjected to the Introspection Rundown, and workers were told not to speak with her as she was held in isolation, only to deliver her food and water. Scientologists have another name for the rundown — they call it the “baby watch.” Seventeen days after Lisa McPherson’s baby watch began at the hotel, she was dead. Experts who reviewed her autopsy concluded that she had died of extreme dehydration — she had simply not taken the food or water she was given, and without any way to communicate to her handlers, she had died of neglect.

Another organization might have concluded that it didn’t have the expertise to handle people suffering serious mental illness. But in Scientology’s case, that would mean admitting that its founder Hubbard and his Introspection Rundown weren’t the solution he claimed it to be. And if there’s one thing Scientology cannot do, it is invalidate Hubbard.

So, Scientology has continued to subject mentally ill people to its baby watch, but it has become more careful not to have it happen at its own facilities.

There was precedence for this. In 1987, Scientologists had opened a ranch-style school for children in Palmdale, California that later moved to New Mexico. It was run by a man named Wally Hanks, and it was intended to be a place where parents could send their troubled teenage children for Scientology training.

In 2009, Hanks was recorded in a telephone call, and he complained that Scientology used the ranch as a place for “dumping” adults with mental problems.

“What really caused the ranch to go bad was that dumpin’ them fucking psychotic cases in there. I was told to run a kid’s ranch but they kept dumping them fuckin’ psychotic cases….It wasn’t psychotic kids, it was psychotic adults. You know that they dumped on me out there, because the church don’t give a shit about them people,” Hanks said.

Today, the place of choice for unwell adults that Scientology doesn’t want to deal with appears to be a bucolic facility in the hills of Tennessee.

 

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[Life Center’s own photograph of its idyllic setting.]

 
Last year, we told you the troubling story of Barbara Cordova Oliver. She was a familiar face at Scientology’s Hollywood Celebrity Centre and had run events there. But after she suffered a nervous breakdown, she was made to disappear.

Her mother, Arlene Cordova, asked us for any help we could give, and with the aid of our readers we learned that Barbara had been taken to a facility in the town of Woodbury, Tennessee named Life Center for a New Tomorrow.

Life Center is owned by a longtime Scientologist, Marc Vallieres, and it offers a non-medical program that is similar to Scientology’s rehab network, Narconon. But Life Center is not a Narconon unit, and it appears to have no formal ties to the Church of Scientology, other than a recommendation from the Oregon chapter of CCHR.

When we called Vallieres last year to ask about Barbara, he told us we might get some answers if we called Scientology’s Hollywood Celebrity Centre. It was a strange but telling response. Vallieres appeared to acknowledge that Scientology itself was guiding Barbara’s treatment, and Vallieres refused to tell us anything further.

We called him up again a few weeks ago, this time to ask about a young woman named Candace.

“I have no information,” he told us.

We asked again what the connection is between Life Center and the Church of Scientology.

“There is no connection,” he answered.

“You use Scientology techniques, right?” we asked.

“You caused me a lot of trouble before, and I don’t understand why I should talk to you today,” he said.

Trouble? We suggested his facility might have caused Candace some trouble.

“I got no comment. No comment,” he said, and he hung up.

It was another frustrating encounter with Vallieres, but we really didn’t need him to tell us what happened at Life Center, because it was explained in detail by an employee there — Candace’s caregiver, Jim — and in a sworn court document.

In October, five months after Candace was found, filthy, bleeding, and malnourished in Jim’s Arkansas basement, he sat down for a deposition with an attorney representing the Office of the Public Guardian, which is part of the Arkansas Department of Human Services.

The circumstances were bizarre.

After Candace was taken from Jim’s basement to a hospital, she was in bad enough shape that the Public Guardian had filed a petition in court to gain legal custody of her. But the agency had competition. Another petition had been filed by two men, represented by an attorney.

They were Candace’s father, who we’ll call Glen, and Jim — yes, the same person who had taken care of Candace by keeping her in a basement.

By October, Glen and his attorney had pulled out of the petition, so when the attorney for the Public Guardian sat down to depose Jim, the caregiver was now alone in opposing the Public Guardian’s office in a court battle to take over legal custody of a woman now confined to a state hospital.

The attorney began questioning Jim, obviously curious why he still wanted control over Candace, and interested in what he would say while being questioned by the attorney representing the agency fighting Jim for that control. Would he be combative?

Instead, Jim was cooperative. In fact, he seemed eager to explain all of the good things that he had done for Candace by treating her with a particular brand of counseling. He was eager to tell the attorney how psychiatry was nonsense, and only something called Scientology could help the mentally ill.

 

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[Candace, before her illness debilitated her]

 
In the fall of 2012, Candace arrived at Life Center for a New Tomorrow, where Jim worked as a supervisor.

The Woodbury facility had been granted a license by the state’s Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services in 2009.

Jim explained that Life Center was a place for helping people “detoxify” from psychotropic drugs. It was his job to help them get weaned off their “psych” drugs and then try to get them back into normal activities. Some of the men he’d worked with, for example, he had taken on fishing trips, including a man who had been an executive at Apple.

“And I would do certain types of Scientology processes on him. I’m a Scientologist. I’ve been a Scientologist since I was 15 years old,” he explained. He had worked for 11 years in a particular Scientology division that we’re not going to name for now. Jim wanted the attorney to understand that Scientology was the only hope for someone like Candace…

 
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The attorney asked if Life Center was connected with Scientology’s Narconon rehab network. Jim said it wasn’t. But he wanted the attorney to understand Scientology’s position on psychiatry. He recommended that the attorney watch a film made by Scientology’s Citizens Commission on Human Rights titled Making a Killing: The Untold Story of Psychotropic Drugging. Jim repeated that offer numerous times over the course of the deposition.

(CCHR’s film was made by a man named Randy Stith. In December, Stith showed up in a strange ambush of former Scientology executive Mark “Marty” Rathbun at a Hollywood studio where he had been filming scenes with Louis Theroux for an upcoming BBC documentary.)

Jim was asked what kind of condition Candace was in when she arrived at Life Center.

“She was in pretty bad shape.” Was she psychotic? “Absolutely.”

It was her father, Glen, who had brought her to the facility. (A family member tells us that as far as she knows, neither Candace or her father were members of Scientology.)

The attorney then asked if it were true what he had been told — that after Candace checked in to the center, she had been assigned to live alone in a mobile home with him.

 
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Claire Headley, a former “Sea Org” worker who escaped from Scientology’s secretive International Base near Hemet, California in 2005, helped us understand “objective processing” during our series that looked at Scientology’s courses step by step. The “objectives” occur relatively early in a church member’s journey up “the Bridge to Total Freedom.”

(The touching of walls and windows in objective processing was captured visually in a striking scene with Philip Seymour Hoffman and Joaquin Phoenix in Paul Thomas Anderson’s 2012 film, The Master.)

Besides asking Candace to look at the walls and floor and ceiling, Jim said he also had her “detox” in a sauna, which is another Scientology method. And Jim said that after only a week, she showed progress after being weaned off of the medications she’d been taking.

How did he know she was getting better?

“Within the first week that I had her, I had her aware enough to where she actually stole my truck and drove it to Tallahassee, Florida,” Jim explained.

Jim continued to explain how his Scientology concepts had helped get Candace into “present time.” But the attorney wanted to make sure he had heard correctly.

“So when she was getting better, she stole your truck and ran away,” he asked.

“Yeah. When she was becoming more aware, she was like — she had to get out of there.”

Candace went to her mother’s house in Tallahassee, but Jim found her and brought her back to Tennessee. Later, Candace stole his truck again and was arrested on her way to Nashville.

But Jim insisted that she was improving during her six months at Life Center, living alone with Jim in a mobile home. At $2,000 a week, however, Candace’s father was apparently having a hard time justifying the cost.

At some point, Jim had begun talking to Candace about taking her away from the facility.

Jim had an uncle in Arkansas who had recently died. His aunt was there in a large house, and Jim began to talk to Candace and her father about moving her there. Instead of Glen having to pay Life Center $2,000 a week, Jim would take care of Candace in Arkansas, and for only $750 a week. Glen agreed to the deal.

In March 2013, Jim moved Candace to his aunt’s home in Arkansas, and put her in its ground floor. When the attorney asked if it was in fact the building’s basement, Jim got defensive.

“Yeah, we’re talking about — this was another slanderous-type comment made. OK….The property is, like five acres and it is a spectacularly beautiful place,” Jim answered, and explained that his recently deceased uncle had been a major player in state Republican Party politics. “Now, the house does not have a underground basement…It’s a very nice home, a two-story home, and in the front it’s ground level. It’s ground level on the front and what we did was, we rented the entire first floor of the house,” he answered. But later, when the attorney asked him if it were true that part of the floor was underground, Jim admitted, “Yeah…I was told, technically, it’s a basement.”

The attorney asked Jim to describe it. Jim answered that there was a small kitchen unit that they never used — he cooked her meals upstairs, on the actual first level — and Candace slept on a narrow bed, a single.

And where did Jim sleep? On the floor, he said. For more than a year?

“Yeah, it was pretty rough, but what it was — it was just a temporary thing until we could get her own place. And we actually did that, and two days before [Candace] cut her hand we had bought a place. And it is…2,200 square feet and when I’m done with it — I’ve been working on it.”

Two months after she arrived in Arkansas, Candace was visited by her father, Glen. (No family members had visited her during her six months at Life Center for a New Tomorrow.)

The attorney explained to Jim that Glen had written a letter to a doctor about his visit that had ended up in a file the attorney had access to. “He described her as…having long fingernails, dirty fingernails, dirty toenails, matted hair…”

But for everything that had come up in the letter and later in the incident report when she had cut her hand, Jim had a ready explanation.

She had stopped bathing, he said, because she didn’t like the soft water at his aunt’s house.

“She had really nice fingernails…See, [Candace] didn’t stink…Most psychotics, they stink. And [Candace] didn’t smell and she didn’t go out and get dirty. You know, she had all of her clothes there and she would be particular about what she wore. So she didn’t really like to change her clothes very much.”

The bungee cords? A volunteer ambulance driver had brought those to the scene.

The ligature marks on Candace’s wrists? They were marks left from her scratching at chigger bites.

Was it true that he allowed her to smoke cigarettes? Yes, she was a smoker.

“So it was OK, with all of the detox and conditioning and everything else, it was OK for her to smoke?”
“Yeah. Yeah. It was OK for her to smoke.”
“But that’s a drug. That’s nicotine.”
“Yeah. Yeah. That’s right, it’s nicotine. But we’re not talking about something that causes you to think that there’s somebody next to you talking to you. We’re not talking about that. We’re talking about cigarettes. It’s a having — actually having a cigarette is a havingness-type thing,” Jim explained, using a word invented by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.

Jim also objected to the idea that Candace had been malnourished. In fact, he had made her “gourmet” meals three times a day, and she had become sensitive about gaining weight while she was in Arkansas. Jim said she would become very upset if the word “fat” was used around her after she had gone from about 90 pounds to 125, he claimed. She had only refused to eat one of his “gourmet” meals a couple of times. He said it was “a total lie” that the hospital had reported that Candace was malnourished.

Jim especially seemed to want the attorney to believe that he was a very good cook.

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The attorney appeared unimpressed by Jim’s plan for the new house.

“Did she actually try to stab you?”
“Yeah. She stabbed me twice.”
“With what?”
“Her steak knife.”

But Jim pointed out that there were just the two incidents in a period of almost two years that he had worked with Candace.

As for how she cut her hand, Jim said he had been cooking for her upstairs when she began pounding on the door at the top of the basement stairs. His aunt, however, wouldn’t allow her upstairs, so there was nothing Jim could do. And while Candace was pounding away, she had a small glass bottle in her hand that shattered, cutting her hand.

“Were you aware she called you Lucifer when she was in the hospital?”

Jim said it was just the drugs talking — the psychotropic drugs the hospital had put her on after all of his hard work to keep her off of them.

Why, the attorney asked, would Candace say that Jim had shocked her with electicity?

Jim again blamed the drugs she was on, and if he could only see her she would actually ask to leave the hospital and go with him again.

“Are you aware that she has been asked if she wanted to come back and live with you or if she wanted to live with her father? And she says, no.”

Once again, Jim blamed the drugs Candace was taking.

“This whole thing will, all the way down to the end, it is being reported. I make all these reports to the Citizens Commission on Human Rights. Everything gets reported. That’s the producers of this Making a Killing,” Jim said. He didn’t care about making any money. He only cared about getting Candace back off of drugs, and having her join him at the house that he was renovating with the help of her father.

Jim at least was realistic about his chances of gaining custodial control over Candace. He knew that without the financial backing of her father, who had already pulled out of the petition, he had little hope of continuing her “care.”

After the deposition, Jim did show up at the court hearing to decide Candace’s fate. The public guardian won that battle, taking custody of Candace, but a family member blames Jim’s interference for causing the judge to grant the public guardian only temporary custody. Another court hearing will follow.

When we reached the Public Guardian, he told us he couldn’t comment on the case. We submitted requests to the prosecuting attorney in the county where Candace was rescued from her basement prison about whether he was contemplating charging Jim criminally, but he did not respond.

Candace is deeply unwell and living in a state hospital in Arkansas, and a family member tells us it is not a facility she wants to see Candace remain in. The family member says she is looking into legal remedies.

In Alex Gibney’s movie Going Clear, Pulitzer Prize winning author Lawrence Wright describes L. Ron Hubbard’s ideas about the human mind as “psychological folk art” that has been completely dismissed by the medical community. And yet, across the country, local governments continue to license Scientology-affiliated facilities for treating vulnerable people. The deaths of patients at Scientology drug rehab clinics in Michigan, Georgia, and Oklahoma have produced numerous government investigations, but not a single facility has lost its license as the direct result of a patient death. (The Georgia facility was shut down over allegations of credit card fraud.)

A week after Jim gave his deposition about Candace in October, the Tennessean reported that the state Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse had found Life Center for a New Tomorrow in violation of its license. An inspection found 21 deficiencies at the facility, including a failure to do criminal background checks on employees. Marc Vallieres agreed to a correction plan.

In particular, the inspection found that one of the patients “did not meet state requirements for self care. Those requirements include the ability to bathe, eat, take care of their possessions, recognize danger and maintain appropriate and tolerable behaviors.”

In other words, more than a year after Life Center had handled a severely ill person like Candace, it was still taking on very challenging cases that Scientology’s processes of “psychological folk art” are woefully inadequate to handle.

The state indicated that it might revisit the center in order to check compliance. Next time, it might want to look even more closely than that.

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Actual caption on his Instagram photo taken at the Hollywood Celebrity Center: “Let’s get back in track with my classes to have better tools for life!! I love it #scintology #LRH”

 
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Scientologists are using social media more than ever. Drop us a line if you spot them posting images to Instagram or Facebook!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on February 2, 2015 at 07:00

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  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    “Church of Scientology Representatives Now Bullying Film Critics”

    “But what’s interesting about this tactic — aside from the fact that
    it somehow doesn’t include the phrase, “Actually, it’s about ethics in
    Scientology journalism” — is how neatly it comports with the film’s
    portrayal of the Church as a hive of shady, paranoid control freaks. The
    assumption is that they merely have to email film writers, chastise
    them for not doing something that’s never been done in the history of
    film criticism, and get them to run their “Rolling Stone, though!”
    response with the unblinking acceptance of an OT I — or, perhaps more
    accurately, of an outlet terrified of the notoriously litigious
    organization. (HBO announced they’d lawyered up all the way back in November.)”

    http://blogs.indiewire.com/criticwire/church-of-scientology-representatives-now-bullying-film-critics-20150202

    • Observer

      Nobody is confirming the truth of the Going Clear doco more solidly than Scientology.

      • Allie

        Yup and Scientology does the foot bullets so masterfully!

    • L. C. Spencer

      Wow, that’s some extremely solid writing! The same quote immediately stood out to me. I think “Actually, it’s about ethics in Scientology journalism” needs to become a meme around here. Anybody seen Missionary Kid?

      • cathy from encino

        It’s a Gamergate reference (Actually it’s about ethics in videogame journalism) and I noted the parallels between Scientology and Gamergate a few weeks ago. Wanted to write an essay on all the scary commonalities but haven’t.

        Gamergate is basically sexism and harassment and even worse behavior towards women (feminists in particular) in video gaming while screaming it’s actually about… Well, you know. Sound familiar?

        Dang, I have got to write this.

        • L. C. Spencer

          Yes I know, that’s why it caught my eye. It’s incredibly apt. Well done Jason Bailey!

    • Vaquera

      There has been a single comment posted, a rebuttal (IANAL) of sorts:

      No actually… the bottom line is that if you’re going to interview a church such as Christianity you go and ask both sides of the members of that faith. If wanted to do a documentary on the Jewish religion and if I were hitler Id probably just want to create a film that shows how ugly and disgusting jews are and not care about any of the positives of the Jewish faith. Its as simple as that. If you want to create controversy than by all means just show one side of the tale. This is exactly what Hitler did when he wanted to get Germany against the jews. He created films that just showed how terrible jews were. And then eventually everyone got on board and everyone was ok with gassing 100s of thousands of jews. This is the same story repeated in history just with a different religion.

      • Stacy

        Gee, think a scientologist posted this? The lack of logic speaks for itself.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          This canned response is included in the article – it’s almost like the media Have been paying attention and have just been waiting for their moment. That’s the beauty of this thing – everything you’d expect from the scientology OSA PR and the sicko volunteers who assist them – it’s all been laid before hand. Here’s the cray cray responses you can expect and Whap! There it is.

          • Stacy

            It’s almost eerie how predictable the responses have become.

      • Lucille Austero

        Geez, someone tell them about Godwin’s Law. They’ll be amazed.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        I’m sure ‘AK’ put their foot down and gave cos a piece of their mind when they saw the anti psychiatry videos.

        No?

        Wait, let me guess: “it’s no the saaaaaaaaaame! psychiatry isn’t a religion!”

    • Stacy

      “Needless to say, this is pretty creepy stuff, and another example of how the Church of Scientology views every bit of criticism directed their way as a threat to their whole organization and religion. I imagine this practice is going to continue at least up to the HBO premiere of “Going Clear,” if not well past. It’s hard to say whether or not they realize that their campaign against the film is going to be the best publicity that Alex Gibney and company could ever hope for, if also a hassle for critics and filmmakers and (this is no small thing) a nightmare for the ex-CoS members who dared to speak out against the Church’s practices. But then, they don’t seem terribly aware that attacking everyone who criticizes you doesn’t do a lot of good for your image.”

      I though the last paragraph of the article deserved to be highlighted here, too. Maybe just so the trolls here today understand exactly how widespread the disdain and contempt for scientology is.

  • pluvo

    Maureen Bolstad talks about her experiences after suffering a psychotic break in Scientology:

    Knowledge Report: The Introspection Rundown

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqe7_YeB-8A

    • Stacy

      I’ve always found Maureen’s story to be one of the hardest for me to listen to, until today’s. What CoS puts people through, what it’s put people like Maureen and “Candace” through, makes me want nothing less than the total eradication of all things scientology, forever. The world will be a much better place without such a blight upon its surface. There is NOTHING redeeming about scientology or CoS.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I think I saw her clam twin sister in something recently. Maybe it was ay Gold Base when they attacked Headly and crew.

        • Stacy

          Imagine going through what Maureen went through, and having your twin sister doubt you and disconnect from you. Your twin. CoS has a LOT to answer for.

    • aquaclara

      Thank God that Maureen survived this.

  • Dave Reams

    I’m a little confused about Scientology’s relationship with mental illness and the psychiatric and/or psychological treatment of mental illness. Ron Hubbard’s position was crystal clear:

    “Psychiatry has to do with the insane and we have notjing to do with the insane whatsoever.
    They, uhhh, the insane, well, uhhh, the’re insane!
    This is a final disintigration and deterioration of the spirit – that’s all for psychiatrists
    But psychology? Nooo, I’m afraid we don’t have anything to do with psychology”

    — L Ron Hubbard in the 1966 Scientology film “Introduction to Scientology”
    (starting at time 12:54)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKPZurJ4U_U

    Why oh why oh why then do Scientologists do “psychotic rundowns” (e.g., Lisa McPhearson) and engage in the “treatment” of “psychotic” (his words) people such as this case in Arkansas? Pointless question I know.

    Another pointless, but not unreasonable question is why does the federal government not only tolerate, but actually enable Scientology through unpreceedented tax breaks ??? Is it respect for the fact that, while Jesus only got a little pissed at the financial authorities in his sector of the Universe, the Ga lactic tax authorities facilitated Xenu’s hollow cost by luring the embodied thetans into the mitts of the Psychiatrists at the implant stations? And goes for the other 52 cards in the deck — the 50 state authorities, the Native American tribes, and Hollywood — why do they keep spreading the other cheek when time after time after time Scientology is involved in crime, misconduct and abuse of individuals within their territories?

    • NOLAGirl

      Co$ would never let a little “off policy” get in the way of making cash.

      • Mark Foster

        Abso-fucking-lutely true-I saw it.

    • Dave Reams

      Somewhere else, perhaps in this official Scientology film or perhaps in a British interview*, I remember le Ron saying that Scientology is solely for “the able” and not the unable. It certainly does not follow that these people in “a final disintigration and deterioration of the spirit”, those 5% of the Earth’s population who “should be disposed of quietly and without sorrow” [LRH, “Science of Survival”] are the target audience of the Super Blow ads.

      * The interview containing the best filmed moment in the Ga laxy: (starting at time 13:10)

      Interviewer: “How many times have you been married?”

      LRH: “How many times have I’ve been married? … I’ve been married twice and I’m very happily married now […] my first wife is dead”

      Interviewer: “What happened to your second wife?”

      LRH: “I never had a second wife”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4HI3KYlFag

  • Stacy

    I sincerely hope “Candace” was examined for signs of sexual assault after she was taken into state care. Maybe it’s because I study this all the time and so I see it when it isn’t there, but “Jim’s” story just reeks of sex offender. Yeah, I bet you slept on the floor, “Jim.” Ugh.

    WHY hasn’t the D.A. at least charged this man (and his aunt) with neglect? Couldn’t they at least be human enough to do that?!

    Tony, could we send emails to you to be forwarded on to the D.A. in charge of the case? That way “Candace’s” identity won’t be compromised, and maybe if the D.A. hears from enough people demanding charges be brought, it will happen. I used to be involved in an online animal rights groups that did this. We’d send emails to the prosecutors and the judges demanding charges, asking for maximum sentences, and it did make a difference.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “Yeah, I bet you slept on the floor, “Jim.” Ugh.”

      On one hand he argued she needed space as a pretext to buy a house, yet likely slept in the single bed with her.

      Medical personel also gave their experienced assessment of the situation. It’s baffling that the DA hesitates to bring charges on this guy.

      • Ardent

        It all makes me want (honestly) to vomit.

        • Vaquera

          My Cheerios did not stay down this morning.

          • Ardent

            Not so cheery, is it?

          • Stacy

            🙁 I’m sorry Vaq

      • Stacy

        I’m guessing CoS money has something to do with it. Does the state use the elected District Attorney system? If yes, I’m guessing he/ she got a nice, big campaign contribution from CoS.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          But would interferring on Jim’s behalf be worth it for cos and the PR flap potential? Just throw him under the bus and be done with him.

          Then again, a criminal trial might bring unwanted attention on the dangerous practice of cos’ introspection rundown. Yeah, interferring might be worth it.

          I hate when I talk myself out of my own argument.

          • Stacy

            It’s hard to find anything funny today, but your comment about talking yourself out of your own argument is funny to me. I do that all the time. 🙂

    • Couch_Incident

      If nothing else, there should be a restraining order against “Jim” preventing contact with “Candace.”

    • Suzy

      Stacy, “sex slave” or abuse was the first thing that popped into my head when he said she started out staying in a mobile home with him. What kind of therapist would have their patient living with them? And he (Jim) is probably under CO$ orders to regain custody so she can’t testify against the church later.

  • Truthiwant

    So, Celebrity Centre have a disabled parking lot.

    It’s probably US law, but that must really bother the CC staff.

    I bet anybody who does park there is immediately asked to move their car, even if they do have a handicap. I mean, how could Scientology possibly have a disabled public on lines?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      There’s only One qualifier the regges care about:

      http://i.imgur.com/7PpbHot.jpg?1

      • Mark Foster

        THE 9TH DYNAMIC=MONEY

      • Stacy

        Remember the story of that poor guy who became disabled through a car accident? He got a lot of money through the insurance settlement, and ended up losing most of it to bad investments from a scientologist con artist (No! Never! A scientologist con artist?!). An emu farm. I think the con artist is a Nevada politician.

  • Science Doc

    Does anyone beside me think that the style and tone of trolling has changed since the Sundance premier and resultant media storm? I Think I’ve seen a meaner and more hostile tone.

    • Observer

      And more hysterical.

    • William Martin

      Yep. They’ll show us, by gosh.

      Yawn…

    • Suzy

      What number on the tone scale would you say? 😉

      • Science Doc

        I actually tried to answer your question and couldn’t figure it out.

  • nottrue

    • aquaclara

      And despite all these ads, Scientology refuses to offer the answers to the real questions. Here are a few:
      David Miscavige, WTF are you doing? Locking people in rooms, subjecting them to the baby watch of your religion, is f*cking KILLING people. You had Candace locked in a basement? Bungie cords? What gives you that right, you obnoxious SOB?
      Where is Shelly? Where are all the other people who are missing?
      Why do you have kids on prison detail?
      And just one more for now, since I am so spitting angry, why are you not in prison yet?

    • Oxford Analyzis

      If they really want to disseminate their gospel to the masses, they should rent out a large auditorium on Sundays, and reveal their gospel for free. Oh wait, that would make them a church. Never mind.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The sick feeling in the pit of my stomach continues.

    I had to go out snowshoeing for an hour to clear my head
    and experience the beauty of the world again.
    Thrushes in the sumac.
    Snow on snow, the world quiet but for the crunch of our snowshoes.
    Peace among the pine trees.

    Travolta and his fellow travellers will get no mercy from me.
    They are the enablers for this.
    I will taunt, mock, J & D and harp on anything I can.
    They have no shame.
    I will shame them.

    • I now hate Jorm Trevulva so much.

    • Juicer77

      Snowshoeing – nice! Glad you got out to clear your head. Sorry! 😉

  • Ardent

    Today’s article has upset me deeply. I may not be long in The Bunker today. So awful.

    • Stacy

      ((((HUGS)))) Ardent. We’re all in the same boat. I’m practically in tears, and I was forewarned by Frodis that today’s post was really upsetting. Being forearmed didn’t help at all. 🙁

      If you can, stay with us so we can do some healing together.

      • Ardent

        Hugs back, Stacy. And we have some dumb-ass Troll downstream blaming this whole thing on ‘big pharma’,. ESPI I say, ESPI!

        • Sherbet

          Incredible, isn’t it?

          • Ardent

            Horrifying.

        • Stacy

          It just dumbfounds me that they can look at stories like this and say with a straight face, “Lies, all lies paid for by Big Pharma.” Scientology is really a prison of belief. Normally I’d feel sorry for our troll Andrew, but I can’t summon it up today. Today, I just see a coward.

    • Sherbet

      Ardent, we’re all here.

      • Ardent

        Thanks. It makes me feel very unwell. The poor poor woman. (shivers)

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          It makes me feel nauseous, sick to my stomach.

    • Newiga

      You can say that again. *sigh* Hits close to home in so many ways. 🙁

  • Science Doc

    Downthread our Troll du jour is spouting the line that major psych drug pharmaceutical manufactures (Lily and Merck) are bankrolling the bad PR and making up the Lisa McPherson case. Intersting conspiracy theory, even without reptilians. Prozac went off patent 14 years ago, and this happened earlier or later to most other “psych” drugs. This means that most of the sales volume comes from manufactures of generic drugs, competing on thin margins. While the original patent holders might still hold a marketing benefit for the name brand versus generic, they must closely match the generics in price or not get approvals from insurance plans. The bottom line is that most of these drugs are not keeping big pharma rolling in cash.

    If you’ve ever dealt with pharmaceutical companies you might have noticed that they are no fans of giving away their money. There was a time that they would hold lavish seminars at ski resorts to educate my physician friends about wonderful new drugs, but that has largely been shut down by corporate health care that wants their Drs. seeing bodies in the shop and billing insurers.

    • Ardent

      I know, through experience, that everything you have said here is true,Doc. Also, medical oversight groups became leery of seeming to accept to much ‘fun’ from the big corporations, and events were toned down quite some time ago. I am not sure, but I don’t think Pharma companies that are holding an educational roll-out of new peer-reviewed drugs (of any kind) are even allowed to give away branded pens!

      • Science Doc

        Yes Ardent. Anti lobbying provisions have shut down much of the residual. Plus I think big pharma is simply hurting for bucks. Glaxo Smith Kline is going through major layoffs. At Phizer it was about eight years ago. There were some multibillion dollar judgements on NSAI drugs that caused cardiac problems. Very few new blockbusters have made it to the market with significant volume. Some of the Hep C drugs are one exception, but not everybody can come up with $50,000 for a round of treatment. There are almost no neurological drugs at all, Neurontin being one exception. I think there are some new antidepressants that operate on different pathways and have almost immediate effects. If these pan out they will be big sellers and on patent for a decade or more. Probably fewer side effects too.

        • scottmercer

          Ironic that Big Pharmas drugs come off patent quickly, but Dianutty is protected copyright law for 30 more years…though how will they make any money once all thei IP enters public domain? Here’s hoping that they are out of business long before then.

        • Ardent

          Yes, I’ve noticed this myself. And one point that utterly baffles me is this: it is very chic to bash ‘Big Pharma’, but wait a sec…Have you had a colonoscopy lately? Want to have it done without a ‘Big Pharma’ product? Really? How about your dentist? Want to enjoy the dentist’s jokes without any injections? I could go on and on. Utter hypocrisy.

      • Stacy

        The drug companies don’t even seem to give as many samples to doctor’s offices any more. It used to be when I went to see my rheumatologist, I’d end up with months worth of several of my meds, just in samples (this was years and years ago, and my doctor was awesome about trying to help me keep costs down, since I had no insurance at the time). Now, there’s no point in even asking. The samples just aren’t there any more.

    • Juicer77

      (Troll’s FB page is interesting… guns, ammo and cats. His GF at least has the sense to keep her face hidden behind wads of cash. He’s a douche, but not quite up to Cardoucheness standards).

    • Richard Grant

      Some of recent our visitors from OSA have struck me decent, deluded folk, their minds stuffed with crap, but basically harmless and worth trying to help.

      This one today strikes me as a little wannabe COB, heartless and hate-filled and beyond redemption.

  • PoisonIvyHerself

    I’m speechless. Tony, amazing reporting and I hope this reaches a wider audience. How ironic, after the Super bowl ad! THIS is their “Age of Answers”?? Thank God Jim was such a Koolaid drinker that he spilled the beans. I would be willing to donate to the family member who wants to help Candace find real help, if that’s for real.

    HOW can this organization get tax exemptions? And why would Candace’s dad do such a thing ($2000 a week!! She could’ve been in a really nice nursing home for that!!!!) if they weren’t Scientologists prior?

    Horrible. Thank you for bringing this to the light of day. Let us know how we can help.

    • Ben Franklin

      These things happen because of corruption in government. Someone here, THDNE (I believe), said something very true. You have to follow the money trail to find out the reasons why Jim has not yet been charged, or why organizations such as the Life Center are allowed to exist, and to be run by people with no educational background to treat mental illness. Someone in government must be getting money either through campaign donations, or kickback from groups such as the life center.

      It is sad and unfortunate that government, in most cases, have not been very good in dealing with the mentally ill. Part of the problem is that there has been so much craving for tax cuts, that services to help the mentally ill have cut drastically or eliminated all together.

      • Spike Robinson

        When the cult finally falls, there’s gonna be a lot of hard questions that need to be answered.

  • Ben Franklin

    When I see people defending this church it just reminds me how the people of North Korea defend human right abuses in their country claiming that it is all lies

  • nottrue
  • Ardent

    I’m going to wander away and try to cheer up. God I despise that cult! see you guys later….

    • Eileen

      I’ll leave with you.

    • Robert Eckert

      I need a walk as well, even though it’s cold and full of snow drifts out there (I’m in Detroit).

    • DannyBoy

      Wait for me…
      Holy Shit !!!!!
      Some folks need to start going to jail like …….. yesterday……….. my God………….

  • nottrue

    • Nation of Scientology.

    • Mark Foster

      Oh, man. Talk about UBER-WHACKNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • IASREG

    Nashville Scientology Celebrity Centre will soon have a new staff member/fugitive in hiding specializing in the Purification Rundown and Introspection Rundown. Meet “Jim”, new Nashville CC superstar. Please, no requests for any information of any kind about “Jim” from journalists, lawyers, or law enforcement. Jim’s mom will be “handling” all his communication so please refer all requests to “Jim’s mom” c/o Nashville Celebrity Centre. Babysitting services now available.

  • Jimmy3

    ….

    • Frodis73

      Exactly!

    • Vaquera

      You do that thing you do so well.

      • Jimmy3

        You do that thing you do so well even better than I do that thing I do.

        • Vaquera

          And now we’re dancing.

  • Tory Christman

    Too painful to talk about. I don’t have mental illness, but certainly was treated as if I did, due to
    having Epilepsy and ordered off of the medication that controlled it. This story is shameful, and IS
    what most Scios “in” have no clue about. I

    f you’re “in” and have any medical condition: PLEASE SEE
    A NON-Scientology Doctor, take your needed medication, and Take back *your* life. Stop supporting
    people who do such destructive things as in this story about (Candice). How many more are there like
    her?
    I’ve told this before…but it fits here:
    Once I was outside of AOLA. The Sea Org had used a Chiropractor…for years. On this day
    he showed up with his hair all messed up, ringing his hands out in the street. I went to ask him:
    “What’s going on?” He said: “I need help”.

    OSA Came running out, grabbed me: “LEAVE HIM ALONE!”
    I said: “He’s a Scientologist–we need to help them”
    They explained: “There is NOTHING we can do for him….get away from him, leave him be”.
    I considered taking him home, but was working 9-6 at the time…and as they said: “He wouldn’t be
    safe alone without you there, while you’re working”. I didn’t know what to do…but I’m sorry I didn’t MAKE
    them help him, OR ELSE. It took me some years to get to that point.

    SCIENTOLOGY KILLS, over and over. Don’t support them, if you’re still “in”. It’s TIME.
    BAIL WHILE U STILL CAN! Tory/Magoo (Give me a call, if you need a ride!)

    • Panopea Abrupta

      xxx
      Tory

      If you are lurking, NOW is the time to leave.

      • Tory Christman

        L Ron Hubbard wrote a Policy: “The way OUT is the way Through”.
        What did he do?
        “The Way OUT **IS** the Neeeeeeeearest Door”.

        Hey, HE took it, why not YOU?
        ((And bring ALL docs as you’ll never see them again)).
        “DO IT NOW”…another good one. See the door?
        — OPEN
        —WALK OUT
        —WALK ACROSS THE STREET
        —CALL FAMILY OR FRIENDS.

        No friends? CALL ME: (818) 588-3044 or come here and ask for a ride.
        Someone WILL come getcha. 🙂
        xxx Panopea Abrupta 🙂

        • Observer

          refresh

          • Tory Christman

            Nice one, Observer 🙂 Thanks!!
            I hope you post that often. Lurkers, especially,
            need to see it and be reminded of it.
            You never know when 1 thing can change someone’s life.
            It happened to me with Andreas…It can happen to others.
            ((hugs))
            Tory/Magoo

    • FromPolandWithLove

      No matter how hard I try I can’t find words. Even in Polish. I just can’t. One of my relatives had an episode of psychosis. Thanks to proper care ( hospitalisation, medication, support group-therapy) first episode was last one. This person is selfsuficient and lives normal, happy life. This person is my Mama. ( I used Polish word for Mum)

      • Tory Christman

        Bless you, FromPolandWithLove, for caring for your Mama.
        That means SO much: “Thanks to proper care, the first episode was the last one” 🙂

      • NOLAGirl

        ((((((hugs))))))) to you FPWL. So glad your Mom had you and your family around to support her.

        • FromPolandWithLove

          Imagine, without psychiatry and farmacology I would lost my Mother , she would live in constant pain of psychotic mind. Psychiatry, which scientology hates so much, saved my family.
          Edited to add: For me It’s like CoS is protesting cardiochirurgy— big crime

          • “Constant pain of psychotic mind” is a wonderful expression, and reminds me of the experience of a friend of mine, who was schizophrenic. He eventually managed to keep his condition under control with medication.

            One day, he stepped off a bus, slipped and broke his arm. When he had recovered, I asked him which was worse – a psychotic episode or the broken arm. He unhesitatingly chose the psychotic episode because, he said, you don’t know what is happening to you and the uncontrollable fear that this provokes is as bad as the delusions.

            To deprive a person of the means to relieve this kind of torment is a crime, and should be treated as such.

    • I suspect that, after “Going Clear” is broadcast, Scientology is going to retreat further behind the cover of more and more front groups. People will know that Scientology can’t help their kid – but won’t know that it is Scientology that is making the offer.

      • Tory Christman

        You are probably right, Once_Born…as this has been happening for many years now,
        for that exact same reason. Hence: Narconon, Criminon, Way to Happiness, Applied
        Scholastics, W.I.S.E. and other front groups they spend *lots* of time and $$$ on, IF they cannot get the public to pay for this.

        WISE is their “Management” fraud.
        Applied Scholastics (as you all know..but perhaps someone reading may not) they are constantly trying to get their “Study Tech” into Schools, police depts, etc.
        Narconon is their “Drug Rehabilitation program” that 4 people died at last year alone. (We got Narconon kicked out of ALL of the public schools here in California…so check your schools for drug education).

        Way to Happiness, another scam–Google it. Often they milk Drs or Dentists to pay for it to “Help your community”. Don’t buy into it.
        Criminon is their Way to Happiness program put into prisons promising they will help “rehabilitate” Prisoners. If it wasn’t designed to then get them into Scientology once out—it would not be so bad.

        Sadly ALL Of their Front group programs, as you all know here…are set up for 2 reasons:
        1) Safeguard Scientology and L Ron Hubbard (Hoping for better PR: EPIC FAIL)
        and

        2) If they can…get those “ready” onto Scientology’s “Bridge to Total Freedom” scam.
        “ready”=Has enough $$$$, or powerful connections who can help PAY.

        • daytoncapri

          It made me so sick that Nancy Cartwright supplied the Dayton Daily News with Sunday feature content on her Happy House, along with her status as “Humanitarian.”

      • daytoncapri

        Yes, I agree. They will do re-branding.

        • I foresee a period when , in desperation, they create hundreds of tiny,
          short lived, front groups to feed the established ones.

          Anything to
          prevent people from knowing that they are being drawn into Scientology for
          as long as possible.

          • daytoncapri

            Plus some strategic alliances if they can possibly muster them. Nation of Islam is a strange example. Otherwise, it will probably be too difficult to find other willing partners for COS, even in disguise.

            • The NofI ‘alliance’ is a weird one to be sure because they know that they involved with Scientology. It’s almost as if they are doing this to reinforce their ‘radical’ credentials by defying public opinion.

              As you say, the only way that the CofS can obtain apparent endorsements from other organisations (or even be photographed with them) is by hiding behind front groups.

              After “Going Clear” many potential victims will become wise to CCHR, Narconon, Applied Scholastics and the other old-timers. They will be so desperate for positive PR that I wouldn’t put it past the CofS to create a front group just to facilitate a single ‘photo opportunity’.

  • J. Swift

    The Scientology Money Project — The Church of Scientology as a Genocidal Master Race Cult: http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2015/02/02/the-church-of-scientology-is-a-genocidal-master-race-cult/

    The Church of Scientology is, at its core, a social engineering program bent upon world domination. That is what auditing is in context of the Church itself. This social engineering program produces zealots like Tom Cruise who think they have all the answers and are the only people who can help. This is why all of the lies and carnage must be pushed down and hidden while false PR is constantly offered.

    On its dark side, the Church of Scientology embodies a call to eliminate everyone who cannot be processed >2.0. Once you understand the Church of Scientology as a social engineering program bent upon world domination, everything tends to fall in place and you can see why there is so much ideological violence at work in Scientology that manifests as greed and great harm to persons.

    • Ben Franklin

      For a religion that had it’s early roots in the occult, I don’t think it is a stretch to suggest that some of the practices in the church are sadistic in nature

      • J. Swift

        Cruelty and sadism do not have any necessary relationship to the occult. For example, non-occult atheist regimes can be intensely cruel. In the context of Scientology, cruelty and sadism arise as a function of exerting the absolute control needed to achieve the necessary social engineering within the body of the Church. KSW is therefore the justification for the sadistic punishments meted out for any deviations from the social engineering program designed to produce absolute obedience.

        • Artoo45

          I concur. It’s always about power and control, no matter who’s doing the torturing.

          • J. Swift

            Artoo45, that is so depressingly true. And yet in the case of Scientology it is preventable once they lose their tax exempt status.

      • Cruelty is as cruelty does.

        two words:

        Spanish inquisition

      • Oxford Analyzis

        Occult is too broad a term for your statement to be entirely accurate. Perhaps if you qualify with “left-hand path,” although some would say that’s still too broad.

  • nottrue

    • Science Doc

      Does this apply to defribulation as well?

      • Juicer77

        How about hair removal?!?

    • Couch_Incident

      No stranger to counseling, Frances Louis is known as an eloquent spokesperson for SCN and helpfully points out that books have things called “pages”:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrxcRDG92M8

      • Rasha

        And this is an endorsement for the greatest scientific breakthrough since FIRE??? They don’t see that nothing at all has changed since the “First Clear” failed miserably, just by trying to answer simple questions? She did get the part right about the book having, um…. pages you can open…..

      • Frodis73

        Omg, I can’t stop laughing…the book has little pages we can open up Wth? No wonder some of these ppl need a guru to get through life.

      • L. C. Spencer

        Is this… satire? I… I… *shakes head* If DM saw this he would spit nails.

        • Robert Eckert

          He should have run this during the Super Bowl. I mean, it would have been just as effective, and saved him the production costs on that other piece of shit.

      • Observer

        Dianeetics!

    • Frodis73

      If it’s one thing I hate about Sci and CCHR it’s screaming about ECT all the time. It is not done like it was in the old days…and it is quite effective for severe cases. Get over it, they are not doing this to people against their will. They are not doing lobotomies anymore either.

      • Observer

        I’m gonna say it: it’s too bad they didn’t lobotomize Hubbard before he destroyed so many lives. There.

        • Stacy

          If ever there was someone who needed an icepick shoved through their eye into their brain…

          • Oxford Analyzis

            Even then, we have wised up to it now, and hopefully contained his contagion by knowledge. Perhaps that, in the end, is for the best.

            • Stacy

              Probably. I’m not normally this bloodthirsty or vengeful. It’s been an emotional day. Today’s post is very distressing.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              I had the same feelings, Stacy.

      • hansje brinker

        Hmmm, in our country eight people are treated against their will in 2010. Just saw a docu about ECT, very sad to see. I think it is very harmfull. And it is a pitty that CoS kidnapped this discussion for their own PR.

        • Artoo45

          Citation please.

          • hansje brinker

            As example in this article (Dutch) from 2009 it says that the Minister of Health sees no reason to restrict electric shock therapy under duress. Also in Holland is the yearly average 13 times of forced treatment.

            http://www.stichtingpandora.nl/jcms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=340:minister-klink-voor-elektroshock-onder-dwang&catid=10:elektroconvulsietherapie-ect&Itemid=19

            • ze moo

              It is nearly impossible to give someone ECT without their permission in the US. It is very effective for many psych problems. And no big pharma involved, just Ready Kilowatt

            • hansje brinker

              Some issues must not related to CoS. There is no scientific evidence that ECT is effective. Just imagine: Kilowatt through your brain. No thank you!

            • Oxford Analyzis

              “There is no scientific evidence that ECT is effective.”

              Of course there is. Otherwise, we wouldn’t do it.

            • Ardent

              Sorry, but you are misinformed.

            • hansje brinker

              Perhaps. But still, it is very harmful.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              You need to present evidence of that. Thousands of medical ethic boards review policies and procedures in hospitals annually, and weigh scientific evidence before permitting medical procedures to be applied. For instance, chemotherapy is harmful, but it can save lives, and therefore it is deemed ethical.

            • hansje brinker

              Well, I have studied the policies and procedures of ECT. It is, like Scientology, a scam. But hey, I can see your point!

            • Oxford Analyzis

              You didn’t present any evidence that current practices are harmful or unethical. I agree Scientology is a scam, but not ECT.

            • hansje brinker

              Not to be sarcastic, but put your fingers in a power point. Than you know.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              Ok, that’s it. I have no idea what you are talking about.

            • hansje brinker

              Well, there is a lot of evidence that ECT is harmful and not really effective. To much to put it here. These reports are neglected or twisted in making policies and guidelines.

              A very good friend of my is a psychiatrist and was once on board to make policies for his hospital. He told me how wrong “experts” can be and what interests there are But hey, that is a chapter apart.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              Just waiting for the evidence you supposedly have.

            • hansje brinker

              Ohh, that game. Can you read Dutch?

              http://www.anesthesiologie.nl/uploads/kwaliteit/richtlijn_ECT2010.pdf

              and read: Pagnin D, de Queiroz V, Pini S, Cassano GB. Efficacy of ECT in depression: a meta-analytic review. J ECT. 2004 Mar;20(1):13-20.
              and this one: Dubovsky, S.L. (1995). Electroconvulsive therapy. In: Comprehensive Textbook of Psychiatry VI, Volume 2, (p.2129-2140). Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              Oh my lord, you submit a dutch paper from 11 years ago? You make me laugh

            • hansje brinker

              Right, you can’t read Dutch. Doesn’t matter. It says revised edition 2010. Hey, have a good night.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              If you don’t know it, mainstream health care doesn’t really give too much credence to european “research.” If it’s good, it’s published in English.

            • Eclipse-girl

              To the best of my knowledge, in the US, it is used to treat depression that has not responded to various medications.

            • hansje brinker

              Also here.

            • Eclipse-girl

              In the US, the patients have to consent to such treatment.

              In some cases it appears to have some some short effectiveness.

            • Stacy

              Very disappointing of Holland, if true.

      • Artoo45

        Not the old “Snakepit” trope again. If anything, the heartbreaking stories we’ve heard from fellow bunkeroos whose families are dealing with Schizophrenic loved ones shows that it’s almost impossible to force any kind of treatment anyone without their consent. Even if their life depends on it.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      I see she is posted at the emergency entrance. I hope the defibrillated cardiac patients flip her a well deserved bird.

    • Ardent

      This person obviously knows Jack about ECT these days. I have a very close family member whose sanity has gone from ‘miserable’ to ‘jaunty’ with one short course of the now GENTLE treatment offered. And it is only offered for people who are very far gone into depression. Scientology can just F***OFF.

  • BFM

    Oh lord…. this shit is STILL going on?…Have they not learnt a thing? Well, they can’t learn, can they?!
    When are government agencies gonna wake the fuck up!

    I am really starting to think the SciLoons never stopped operation snow-white and continued infiltrating in as much agencies as they could. I mean, come ON! It is beyond words that this “Jim” is not in indicted yet.

    I don’t fucking understand. Except if there is someone there for them to sweep such things under the rug as we have seen in so many Scientology related horrendous crimes. And please don’t think of me as a conspiracy theorist — I am not.

    But seeing such things over and over again and then seeing the responsible Sciloon and /or Sciloon organization go unpunished makes one frustrated to the bone. And I really, actually, factually wonder how many Sciloons have infiltrated government organizations and what organizations they are.

    • Juicer77

      More likely the government agencies have lack of interest or bigger fish to fry. No agency particularly wants to open this can of worms. These are like those bloodworms that bite. Nasty!

      • BFM

        I hear what you are saying Juicer. But I don’t think any other cultish “religion” managed to get licenses to practice healing that belongs in the medical field or some other specialized fields of professionals. Why is it that Scientology can? Educational system. Drug rehabilitation. Criminal reform. etc. etc. Why do they get certification? I just think they have people at the right positions and a huge lobby and if that doesn’t work, they use their blackmail tricks (Fred Goldberg?).

  • Allie

    Out-of-the-closet lurker here, first time poster, never-in, resident of Mormon-land (but not one of them & that’s a whole other story/cult). Have been lurking here since the Tom-Kat story and have been flabbergasted & horrified by the gross insanity, hyprocrisy & viciousness of the cult of Scientology. Like all of you, I am disgusted, upset, speechless & many other adjectives about today’s story and other stories of people who have been traumatized by Scn.

    I am posting today to perhaps add some optimism and to share some good karma that has come my way. A friend who
    had seen many Sundance films was “filmed out” and had one ticket left for….wait for it….Going Clear showing last night in SLC and did anyone want it? I had wanted to see the premier in Park City and catch a peek of handsome Tony O but tickets were impossible to get so I became resigned to wait until March for the HBO show. I thought the audience would be small due to the competition of the Super Bowl but the theatre was packed! and sold out! I wanted to share my thoughts & audience reaction & I mean no disrespect to all of you exes, survivors, long-time advocates who certainly deserve to see it more than I. So I offer my comments to support the demise of the cult.

    My reaction: I’m a huge fan of Alex Gibney and love his style of presenting info on controversial subjects. There is alot to say about Scientology and difficult to condense it into a 2-hour film. But I felt Gibney captured the most salient parts about LRH and the Tiny Man’s personalities and their lust for power, greed and violence. The chronology and original footage provided an excellent context for semi-knowledgable folks and well as the uninitiated. Tony’s comments were excellent and the stories from Haggis, Beghe, DeVocht, Spanky, Hana, Sara, Mike & Marty were heart-breaking. The narration was excellent too and I could have stayed for another 5 hours listening to the stories.

    Audience reaction: while waiting to enter the theater, I listened to those around me and chatted with folks about their interest in the film. Many liked Gibney’s films, many heard about the success of the premier, some didn’t know about Scn, others wanted the “real” story. And they got it! The audience was silent throughout except for occasional snickers & laughter at Hubturd’s insane blatherings and DM’s arrogant ramblings. During the personal stories of those harmed by Scn. there were heavy sighs and loud gasps and “you gotta be kidding”. And the list at the end of those who denied being interviewed by Gibney elicited lots of guffaws and laughs. It seemed to me that everyone in the audience was changed by this film. I will definitely see it again on HBO in March.

    I have enormous respect for our proprietor for presenting factual information on a daily basis (and sometimes more!)
    and for all of you who have greatly suffered in so many ways, I am so sorry. And for the never-in’s like myself, I applaud you channeling your passion to rid the world of the insidious scam. Thank you all!

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, Alie! You lucky ducky, getting to see it. Thanks for sharing your review and please continue posting. (From another never-in 🙂

      • Allie

        Thanks for the welcome, Juicer. I’ve been timid about posting because everyone is so knowledgable
        and I’m still learning. But everyone’s perspective and viewpoints are important and I’ve appreciated the insights from the never-ins.

        • Jenny Daniels

          Even those of us who were in and have long been out are still learning!
          Welcome aboard!

    • Illinoisian

      I am *so* glad that you have commented, and made your first entry this commentary on ‘getting to see the film.’ So many of us wish we could have been there to see it. Thanks for your account of the details of the experience of getting the ticket, being there, and of the reactions of those around you. We need a bit of cheering today. Welcome and, again, so glad you chose to post this comment today.

      • Allie

        Thanks for the welcome. I had to decompress after reading today’s story before I shared my
        comments. But I wanted to offer insights about the docu that would keep everyone’s spirits up
        before the HBO showing.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      How wonderful to meet you here with such good news on such a dark day.
      It seems to me that we cannot overestimate the powerful impact this will have.
      March 16th will remain forever as a key date in the demise of this crazy criminal conspiracy.
      I love your description of the experience.
      Thank you.
      And welcome.
      Make yourself at home.
      Fresh pot of coffee coming up,
      PA

      • Allie

        Thank you for the welcome. I am in awe of your writing and creativity. And your passion.

    • DannyBoy

      Beautiful, welcome Allie.

      You wrapped it up nicely ” the Tiny Man’s personalities and their lust for power, greed and violence ”
      I would like to add “Control” to their lust for list.
      For that little shit, I really don’t think the money matters anymore, outside of fending off attackers…..

      • Allie

        Indeed! How silly of me to forgot “control”. Thanks for your suggestion and the welcome!

    • Thank you for spreading the word.

    • BFM

      People like you are most needed and a big welcome from me too!

    • Frodis73

      Thank you for posting your review. Wow, you are so lucky to get that ticket!! So jealous over here. Welcome to the Bunker too btw!

    • Rasha

      Yay! More de-cloakers like me!!! Welcome, Allie! Anyone else?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thank you for your review and audience reactions. And talk about luck!

      • Allie

        Thank you. I always enjoy your posts. You have such great knowledge and insights and
        I always learn so much from you.

    • Robert Eckert

      I am jealous of your stroke of luck– except that it wouldn’t have happened without your living in Utah, and I’m not sure I would have been willing to pay that price 😉

      • Allie

        I’ve lived in numerous places and every place has its weirdness in terms of people and culture.
        Things changed alot since the Olympics in 2002 and us “transplants” have made it livable. We just ignore the crazies and try to change things. The topography of the state is awesome and for an outdoor person, it’s heaven. I’ve lived in crazier places.

        • Robert Eckert

          I used to drive across the country a lot (but have been pretty housebound the last three years) and developed strong prejudices about some states. I am reluctant to enter Texas at all, and if I cut across I-40 at the Amarillo panhandle, I make sure to tank up first so that I do not spend any money in Texas; I will only get out of the car in Texas to pee on it. Utah I similarly make efforts to avoid spending money with any Mormons: I found a gas station in Price where I could get a cup of coffee and pack of cigarettes, so I decided they were surely non-culties and timed most of my Utah crossings to get gasoline there; there are also places in Salt Lake City I considered “safe” to patronize. The castle rocks and canyons are certainly cool.

          • texasexpat

            Hey, I’m from Texas, but I have to admit I loved your post because it sounds like something I would do if I got mad about something I felt strongly about. I have lived overseas for several years and when my students or other non Americans ask me where the best place to live in the US is, I never suggest Texas.

            • Robert Eckert

              The three states I’ve never been to, not even transiently, are Alaska (that one will be tough; I’ve done a trip to Hawai’i), Delaware (finally managed to tag Rhode Island but I keep missing Delaware), and South Carolina. I forgave North Carolina for Jesse Helms some years back, and have had some good times in the Asheville area and climbed Pilot Mountain; I would probably have forgiven South Carolina for Strom Thurmond by now except there is now Lindsey Graham on their ledger. I have not forgiven Texas for George W. Bush, especially not since there is also Rick Perry to get over.

            • texasexpat

              I think we must be related. My great grandfather came to the US from Austria in the late 1800’s. He came in at Galveston, not NY. And settled in Texas after first traveling to every state in the union by horseback. I travel a lot, but there are still many states I have not been to. When I was in the Middle East, people would ask me where I was from. When I said Texas, they would reply, “Bush”. Embarrassing.

          • Jenny Daniels

            You cannot be too sure! The big LDS restaurant in SLC, served Coke and Diet Coke, but not coffee or caffeine-free Coke of any sort.
            As with many “religious” groups, the true bottom line is the bottom line! ($$$!)

    • Artoo45

      What a lovely treat to read your post at lunch! Do join us more often!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Welcome Allie, thank you so much for posting, and for that excellent description. I can hardly wait until March 16!

    • Tory Christman

      Welcome, Allie! How wonderful you got to see it at Sundance.
      Welcome here! Great to read your take on the HBO Documentary and
      the audiences responses. 🙂 Thank you!
      Love 2 U …Tory/Magoo

      • Allie

        Thank you Tory for the welcome. I LOVE your videos! And I so admire your enthusiasm and passion for sharing the truth about Scientology. Keep up the great work. Tick, tock….

    • HTC

      What a nice post Allie, thank you.

    • Stacy

      Thanks for sharing your luck and your reactions to the documentary. Welcome to posting. Hopefully you’ll keep contributing. 🙂

    • SP Wannabe

      Welcome, Allie, and thanks for joining us! I very much enjoyed your post, and it did help offset the emotions (sick, sad and angry) from today’s story. I’m also one of the never-ins, and I firmly believe that no injustice perpetrated against a minority can be truly fought without at least some of “the rest of us” standing up and standing with those harmed. So keep posting, and speak out IRL about what you learn here when you can.

      I’m sure it’s been said, but there’s popcorn and snacks and coffee, and DJ Dodo takes requests.

      ~Shannon/SP Wannabe

    • aquaclara

      Welcome! This is a great first-person story about the stuff that makes us happy this new year. BAMuary had us in such a state of joy and you’ve reminded us it’s possible to defeat the Wee Beastard. (I used up my quota of bad language on today’s story.)

      Hope you’ll keep posting. And oh, I am so envious of your trip to Sundance. Love this story.

      • Allie

        Thanks for the welcome. I love your choice of the word “Beastard”. Most descriptive and accurate.

    • Narapoid

      Thank you for sharing your “Going Clear” experience and you’re ‘coming out’!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Welcome! Thanks for sharing your wonderful experience.

      • Allie

        Thank you. Happy to share some info and thoughts of interest to everyone.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    If you love something so much………… you know how to spell it.

    • Juicer77

      She finds it…. $cintillating! Thank you! I’ll be here all week.

      • Vaquera

        She is an ESL-er. Is it spelled Scintology in another language? She misspells it in 3 different posts.

        • Robert Eckert

          I don’t believe it is spelled that way in any language on Earth. Perhaps in Marcabian?

        • L. C. Spencer

          Not in Spanish. I wonder if she once put it into her phone’s dictionary, but misspelled it that time and didn’t notice and her phone’s been autocorrecting to it ever since!

          • Vaquera

            She would have had to make the entry starting with a #, I think.

  • Juicer77

    English caption with a Spanish book? I smell a fake.

    • Vaquera

      As in not a Sciloon? She’s the real deal. I’ve seen her other photo opps.

      • Juicer77

        I just don’t get the vibe that she wrote the caption. Could be wrong. Just seems off, somehow.

        • Vaquera

          Two others (refresh)

          • GrandEclectus

            #scintolgy how did she study and.not be able to spell it?

    • Rasha

      With them, you’d think the surprise would be finding yourself thinking, “Hey, this $ci posting almost appears legit! Hmmmm…. something’s wrong.”

      …then again, that would be a rare event anyway.

    • L. C. Spencer

      Ex-ESL teacher here. I see 3 possibilities.

      1. If she’s a native Spanish speaker but fairly fluent in English, she might do a lot of what we call “code-switching.” Some of her other comments seem to reflect that. You say something, even a single sentence, and it still might be a mix of both languages, alternating word by word even. It’s actually hard NOT to do it, to keep to one language, if you’re talking to someone with whom you share more than one language.

      2. Her English isn’t that great, but she posts deliberately in English for higher visibility/to reach more people than a Spanish text might.

      3. She handed somebody her phone at the org and they posted for her. Even if that person is a native English speaker, undereducated staff person + sleep deprivation = posts like that.

      I kind of lean toward option 1, though.

  • Observer

    refresh

    • Rasha

      That pic is enough to put one off one’s Quaker OT’s….

  • Pierrot

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    See all that in the Daily Wip. Keep checking for more ads from California later this evening every 2nd hours.
    RedX write up : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-117#post-2494321
    RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    1 Concentrate on your region and /or your adopted regions.(The closer to home the better).
    2 Use the reboot router method to acquire a new IP,
    3 Do not do the blues only, RE-FLAG the previous days.
    4 Check the Daily Wip regularly and flag new/refreshed ads.

    Lina by Ker, enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX & flickred by Aegerprimo:. https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14957459094/in/set-72157642802079293

  • Jgg2012

    If Big Pharma did this, CCHR and the Scientology celebs would be all over it.

    • I dispise Kelly Preston now too so much.

      http://freethinker.co.uk/images/uploads/2010/03/rally.jpg

      • GrandEclectus

        WT actual F? This is LRH’s loathing of getting help for himself multiplied 47x. Ugh, talk about thought virus! Their brains have rotted out.

      • Striking a pose does not make what you are saying true or meaningful. This is an actors delusion.

        • Observer

          A largely unemployed actor, unless you count the biggest role of her life: beard.

          • salmondecides

            biggest failure… mother

          • FromPolandWithLove

            ouch….;D

      • Missionary Kid

        I happen to think she’s not bad looking on screen, but, her clamminess and the fact that she considers that gays are degraded beings, in spite of being a beard for one, is repulsive to me.

        Kelly’s ugliness is in her mind and the way she believes, but lives a lie.

    • April

      Ironically, it’s largely thanks to “Big Pharma” that the severely mentally ill are no longer languishing long-term in psychiatric hospitals. Many people with severe mental illness such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder leading normal lives today would not have been able to do so prior to the development of psychotropic medications in the 1950’s and 60’s.

      • Jgg2012

        Right, they say that they have freed 100,000 from drugs. What about the people Big Pharma has helped?

  • Science Doc

    We’ve had dozens of new posters delurk in last two weeks, and speaking as the Psych who runs the Science Doc sock, I’m getting tired of creating new socks every hour.

    • FromPolandWithLove

      ;););) :):):) refresh

      • DrGreatCham

        Moomintrolls!

    • salmondecides

      what does that even mean?

      • Robert Eckert

        He’s riffing on the troll who keeps saying that there are only a handful of people here, paid by the Psychs to create sock puppets and make it look like there are lots of new posters.

        • Rasha

          …but my Psychlosock is soooo comfy!!!! It’s the googly eyes I can’t get used to, Doc!

        • FromPolandWithLove

          I’m patiently waiting for my Big Pharma money. I understand Poland is across The Atlanting Ocean, but c’mon Psychs, I got my expenses ;p

        • salmondecides

          LOL i saw that person. hilarious research project. i almost came out of lurking for that.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          It’s always amusing to hear how OSA believes the rest of the world practices the same dirty tricks it does. In all probability, OSA also believes every employer beats employees, screams profanity at them, fails to give them days off or vacations, and fails to pay minimum wage. That, after all, is how Miscavige treats his “employees.”

          • DrGreatCham

            The word for the day is “projection.”

          • Allie

            You’re right. It’s just SO hard to wrap my head around their insane thinking.

          • Observer

            The Abomination doesn’t fall far from the Abominable Tree.

        • Observer

          Only 70 avatars post, which means nobody else reads or participates (does he think every guest is the same person?). I think it got up to 73 once. Or was it 76?

          • Oxford Analyzis

            I thought there were >300 unique posters after the Sundance film premiere?

            • Observer

              Shhh … don’t tell the troll!

            • Oxford Analyzis

              Wait, I was thinking about a different blog. Here it is 72, max.

            • Science Doc

              Yep. And I was 230 of them.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              Nice job…. your bonus from Glaxo-Smythe is going to be huge this month

            • Rasha

              You are SO me. But with a nicer grin…. 🙂

        • Anonymous

          Perhaps that troll might want to take a peek around any Ideal Org to get a glimpse of what “a handful of people” actually looks like…

      • Science Doc

        Yep. A little bit of an inside joke. The trolls show up and say there are only a few of us or that we are paid by the psychs.

    • Ardent

      I’ll go get a fresh supply of socks for you tomorrow. OK?

    • Richard Grant

      Maybe you should retire “Science Doc.” He’s had a good run. Keep on posting as NOLAGirl and iBetty and Shanester and Dodo and Frodis and 1subgenius and Ardent and Derek and Robert Eckert and Richard Grant and Observer and April and Pierrot and Vaquera and, if you have to, “chuckbeatty,” though I have to say that one is kind of implausible. And drop the other 23.

    • 1subgenius

      He was an occasional player in a salsa band a friend of mine plays in.

      • Frodis73

        Is it true he was decent? That is what I have been told.

        • 1subgenius

          He couldn’t play with any working band if he couldn’t at least go through the motions.
          He was no great shakes, and obnoxious.

          • Frodis73

            Ha! Good to know.

    • Frodis73

      Fuck, I live here and hate looking at his ugly mug.

      • Stacy

        Didn’t he off himself? If yes, good. Waste of space.

        • Frodis73

          Yes he did. Hung himself in his cell.

          • Stacy

            Closure for his victims, and they don’t have to be revictimized by the court process, having to tell their heartwrenching stories in front of the court, and face cross- examination by the guy’s defense lawyer. Better all-around for everyone.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    The story of Candice begs the question as to how many other Lisa McPhersons are there? In addition how does “Jim” have any legal standing to question guardianship or ask for it? The care of Candice is eerily reminiscent of the “Hospitals for the Insane” that used to have patients who looked as unhealthy and unkempt as Candice, who were locked in cells, and tied down. Their “caretakers” took money from wealthy families to keep these people out of sight.

    Scientology’s unfettered abuse and torture of the mentally ill has to stop. There are advocacy movements in the US that fight for the rights of the mentally ill, that fight to make sure individual like Candace are not treated like this. It’s beyond time for Hubbard’s/Miscavige’s madness to be shut down.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      This a depiction of a patient in what was called the Bedlam Aslylum. This, apparently, is how Hubbard thinks individuals with mental illness need to be treated. Screw the church’s museum of psychiatry, there needs to be a museum depicting the horrors Hubbard and Miscavige have inflicted on individuals.

      • LHS

        One of my university professors said that if you weren’t insane when they put you in Bedlam Asylum, you would be after a few days. I wonder if that applies to the Introspection Rundown as well…

      • DrGreatCham

        Between this and the toxic egotism that the COS teaches being the WORST approach to actually healing mental illness, it’s no wonder that so many Scientologists have mental breaks and can’t get better while practicing the “tech.”

  • Strelnikov

    If Scientology is like all the Nazi parties that have existed since the original one (1921-1945), then Scientology today is where American Neo-Nazism was in the 1990s; small, embattled, yet leathally crazy if pushed into a corner. This might be where Scientology ends, with tiny “mission orgs” working out of trailer parks or a string of silent “alternative therapy” abuse cabins in the rustbelt states.

    Everybody at the Underground Bunker needs to drive to Hubbard’s grave and piss on it.

    (Dammit! I just found out that they scattered his ashes into the sea!)

    • BFM

      If only he had a grave… I’d be tempted.

    • Rasha

      I have been to the West Coast. I have gone to the beach. I have relieved myself in the place his loathsome debris is resting, not without irony, among whale turds.

      …my work there is done.

      …Hey! Who wants banana bread? Fresh loaf cooking!!

      • Rasha

        Additional item: At Find A Grave (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=3476) is the note, “The Virtual Flowers feature has been turned off for this memorial because it was being continually misused.”

        How THAT for pissing on the grave? Never saw the Internet comin’ didja, Big Being?

        • Observer

          Gee, I wonder who set up the findagrave page for him? Not a critic.

          refresh

          • Robert Eckert

            I noticed that line too. But the other oddity is that the children mentioned are Nibs, Katey, and Quentin; no Alexis, Diana, Suzette, or Arthur. How did that come about?

            • Observer

              Yes, I noticed that too. Hubbard denied Alexis once she was of no further use to him and Arthur and Suzette have left, so it makes sense that they would be deleted from the record. I wonder if Diana was left off because very few people know she’s being kept at Int and Miscavige fears that the peasants would back a Hubbard heir for the Scientology throne.

            • Robert Eckert

              But you would think that Nibs and Quentin would be the absolute top of the list of unpersons to be memory-holed.

            • Observer

              True, especially Nibs. I wonder if maybe one of the DeWolf side of the family edited it at some point.

            • Robert Eckert

              Perhaps only the dead are mentioned. It says “calculated relationship” so maybe the computer added them, because somebody put up find-a-grave pages for them which mention the LRH tie.

          • Rasha

            Wait a sec! He never had a second wife!!! Said so himself!!

          • He reformed things social into asocial.

            • Rasha

              Yes. “Reform” does not equal “make better”. Rather, it means “to form again”. People have, as we see in today’s post, had their lives “re-formed” by the fruits of this malfunctioning, MEST-up aberrant.

    • what’suppressive

      That’s okay….. i’ll piss in the sea.

    • Science Doc

      That’s OK, you’ve given me another reason to piss in the ocean.

  • Captain MustSavage

    Headline: John Travolta “not interested” in scientology abuses

    Like many Catholic clergy in the dark days preceding revelations about widespread pedophilia within the ranks of the Catholic Church, John Travolta, the only high ranking scientologist seen in public since the Sundance premiere of Alex Gibneys Going Clear, today told Access Hollywood that he wasn’t interested in seeing the documentary. Mr Travolta shrugged and smiled as his wife Kelly Preston looked on in chilly silence when asked about the explosive new documentary. The documentary contains heartbreaking revelations by Mr Travoltas former close friend Spanky Taylor who had to rescue her child from squalid conditions at Hollywoods Big Blue complex.

    • Vaquera

      Kelly glances at him while thinking, “Why the HELL did you have to be nice to her? This is your fault. You pulled in this PR mess and now I have to deal with it, TOO!”

      • NOLAGirl

        She is just as much a batshit crazy, kool-aide drinker as he is so really, they both pulled it in. Ugh. I can’t stand her.

        • Vaquera

          I think Kelly is in deeper in the woo than John.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “John Travolta, … today told Access Hollywood that he wasn’t interested in seeing the documentary.”

      Well, that officially crosses out the tearful “I didn’t know” exit option.

      • Allie

        Of course he won’t see the documentary. He looks like a douche bag for not helping Spanky AT ALL!
        No more Mr. Nice Guy image for me. He’s despicable.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      The citizens in the towns closest to the Dachau Nazi concentration camp claimed they had no idea mass murder was taking place on their doorstep, and had no answer for what they thought the smells and smoke were from. American troops forced the local citizens to walk through the camp and challenged their unbelievable stories that they had no idea mass extermination was taking place in the camp. Travolta, Cruise and Alley should remember this next time they are asked about the crimes committed by Miscavige and Scientology.

      • Observer

        I saw old footage of the townspeople being forced to go through Dachau, before the bodies had been removed. Some were visibly distraught. I couldn’t scrape up any sympathy.

        • Ardent

          Yes, that was very powerful footage, and those townsfolk deserved every horror they absorbed walking past the dead.

      • Juicer77

        The camp is very close to the center of town. Absolutely astonishing. If you ever get the chance to visit, do it. The walking tour is absolutely amazing and heartbreaking.

      • daytoncapri

        Not generally known is that non-Germans also had concentration camps.

        From wiki: “The Rab concentration camp (Slovene: Koncentracijsko taborišče Rab; Croatian: Koncentracijski logor Rab; Italian: Campo di concentramento per internati civili di Guerra – Arbe) was one of the several Italian concentration camps and was established during World War II, in July 1942, on the Italian-occupied island of Rab (now in Croatia). According to historians James Walston and Carlo Spartaco Capogeco, at 18%, the annual mortality rate in the camp was higher than the average mortality rate in the Nazi concentration camp of Buchenwald (15%). ”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rab_concentration_camp

      • Richard Grant

        And Dachau was “just” a concentration camp. That is, it was an internment facility, where inmates generally died of starvation, exposure, disease, physical abuse, execution for “crimes” like disobedience in the camp, and so forth. It was not a death camp like Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor et alia.

        But even death camps were sometimes located near towns and populated areas, like Maidanek in eastern Poland, the first camp liberated by the Red Army in its final push toward Berlin.

    • Aslan’s Own

      Is this true? I thought it was satire.

      • Captain MustSavage

        My take on what I’m hoping to see from reporters in the wake of John Travolta casually shrugging off a question put to him by an Access Hollywood reporter today. Someone included a link to this down thread.

        • Aslan’s Own

          I’ll have to look for that clip. I didn’t realize anyone had asked him about it. Thanks.

  • This is why I’ve been fighting the good fight against the Co$ for over a decade. I won’t give up until they are going, going, gone. These stories just break my heart

  • beef

    The more current public Scientologists learn about this insanity, the more will walk out the front door. And they say they aren’t a cult! Is that they’re way of creating a “saner” society by locking up people with mental issues in basements and shitty hotel rooms? Go fuck yourself Miscavige and eat a dick salad Moxin!

  • Vaquera

    If John Travolta hadn’t been, well, John Travolta, would Co$ have attempted to have him warehouse his son, Jett?

  • BFM

    Damn it! I feel so upset…. I don’t think I can make any valuable contribution today 🙁

    • Juicer77

      Take a walk, pet the dog, look at something beautiful. Sometimes we need to take a break from it. Come back when you’re ready.

      • BFM

        Thanks, I will follow that advice. Going out the door with my dog. fresh air might do me good actually.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Every single thing here sucks. This is truly awful. She isn’t even a scientologist. And her dad bought a house for Jim to fix up and keep her at?

    • Rasha

      I honestly don’t want to know how the psychological manipulation works to let this sort of insanity happen, but I know I need to. How it works and why people feel the need to employ it against other people – innocent ones who cannot do anything to help their own existence.

    • Sidney18511

      If that father isn’t a sclioon then he must be a tremendously ignorant man. With money. Just the type that the COS likes to catch in its net.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Yes, the dad must have $$ and as Derek points out, questionable motives. I wonder about the $2,000 a week – that comes to $104,000 a year. Did Jim keep it, or give it to the IAS somehow?

  • GrandEclectus

    So much for “harmless religious beliefs” people are always defending.
    It’s too bad the site hasn’t been kept up to date, but whatstheharm.net is pretty depressing too.

  • Panopea Abrupta

  • L. C. Spencer

    In the Goofy CC Scilon Instagram, I love the fact that she’s standing in front of a handicapped parking spot.

    AS IF.

    (I was outside Flag a couple of weeks ago, and wish I had photographed the Sea Org sneers that found their way to me and my wheelchair.)

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Outrageous, I wish you had as well. It’s not just the cult of Scientology that treats individuals with disabilities with disdain. A friend of mine was legally blind, the cult he belonged to convinced him his eye sight problems were psychosomatic. He died of untreated cancer because he believed all of his symptoms were psychosomatic.

      • L. C. Spencer

        Disgraceful. Absolutely outrageous. I don’t care what the particular belief-system justification is, it should end in arrests and civil judgments.

  • I want to know a couple of things. Why does this “Jim” person think he is in a relationship with Candace? He crossed the line from caregiver to kidnapper when he moved her into his aunt’s house and made their dad but them a house.

    What the fuck is wrong with the police that they haven’t charged him with kidnapping and suspicion of sexual assault yet?

    What the fuck did Candace’s father do to her that made her have a psychotic break and that drove him to force her into the Tennessee woods to hide her from society?

    This whole thing feels like (a) the father committed a crime against his daughter that he is trying to hide by forcefully committing her to this place, and (b) that he sold her off to Jim to be his weird barbie doll wife.

    This story is so awful Tony. What the fuck, what the fuck, what the fuck. This is 20 fucking 15 and we still have chainsaw massacre kidnapping shit going on in the fucking Tennessee woods.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Couldn’t agree with you more. How long was this going on? How many others are locked up like this in 2015? Jim and Candice’s father act like it’s 1915. Is Miscavige selling Scientology as a way to get rid of troublesome family members? So many dollars for a child, twice that for an adult, three times that for a senior parent? How much does he charge to get rid of a spouse? (He certainly did not charge himself to get rid of his wife.)

      • Observer

        Hey, it worked for the Duggans!

        • Bada………too sad.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          I would love to see a shoop of Miscavige taking money for “getting rid” of problems for wealthy members.

    • In Victorian England ‘Mad Doctors’ used to provide a similar service. They would diagnose, commit and incarcerate Inconvenient people in private asylums (mostly women) for a monthly fee, no questions asked.

      This story makes me wonder what else is going on inside those conveniently remote Narconon facilities (especially now that the ‘drug rehabilitation’ con must be drying up). How many more people like Cadace are hidden away there, and how much money is being made from their unlawful imprisonment?

      • But that’s the thing. She was in this Tennessee place, but then Jim and her dad somehow decided it was best to move her to Jim’s aunt’s house? When did Jim’s aunt’s house become a licensed care facility? I think that Jim was trying to force a relationship with this woman. He had such a deeply personal interest in her care that he took her to his private residence and fed her three meals a day. I know that Jim raped her. There is no question in my mind about that. What did the father do to her, is what I want to know.

        • The ‘mad doctors’ also routines abuses their unwilling charges. Whatever their relationship, it certainly wasn’t a professional one.

          I see two possibilities

          1) ‘Jim’ was doing this with the connivance of the CofS. Moving to his Aunts house was a way of distancing the ‘Church’ from a situation which would expose them to legal liability if it were exposed. In this case, the money made its way ‘uplines’ (possibly via ‘donations’ from Jim’).
          2) ‘Jim’ went freelance, and was using Scientology to rationalise and excuse his crime.

          Either way, if he had not concern for Candace, this situation was a nice earner, which could have spun out for a considerable amount of time.

          What astonishes me is that ‘Jim’ was not immediately arrested for:

          Assault, false imprisonment, kidnapping, obtaining money under false presences (of being a therapist), practicing medicine without a licence…. possibly conspiracy, too (I only know the UK terminology, but I am sure the same offences exist in US law).

          The person who did this http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/ohio-dungeon-three-women-rescued-from-chains-in-basement-prison-after-ten-years-8605438.html was arrested tried and convicted. Why is there no investigation into these offences? There is certainly more to this situation than meets the eye.

          • Stacy

            The lack of investigation is why I want to see public pressure brought to bear on the prosecuting attorney. He/ she needs to know that the public is demanding charges be brought in this case. If Arkansas uses the elected district attorney system, public pressure of that sort should have influence upon the prosecuting attorney. He/ she will worry if they don’t prosecute, they may not get reelected.

            • I will defer to your knowledge of US law.

              In the UK the decision to prosecute is made by an appointed public body (The Crown Prosecution Service) who decide, on the basis of the police investigation. whether prosecution is in the public interest, and whether there is a realistic prospect of conviction.

            • Stacy

              It’s similar here, but each state has a different system set up. Sometimes prosecuting attorneys are appointed or hired, sometimes it’s a District Attorney system, and they are elected. It’s a common stepping stone for getting into state, and then national-level, politics. Sadly.

            • ze moo

              Without knowing more details, details that could identify ‘Candace’ and ‘Jim’, find that DA is going to be nearly impossible.

            • Stacy

              In my original post about this, I asked Tony if it would be possible to forward emails through him to the D.A. I haven’t gotten a response on that.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Yes, forcing her across state lines also.

        • ze moo

          While I suspect sexual assaults, we don’t have any proof of that yet. “jim”es name has been redacted so he can’t sue for the bunkerites written accusations of rape.

          ‘Jim’ seems to have undercut the monthly fee from the ‘New Life Center’ and set himself up in same business. Suspicions about Daddy are just that suspicions. But where there is smoke, something is on fire.

          ‘Jim’ successfully got ‘daddy’ to buy a ‘fixerupper’ and was in the process of making it ‘Candace’ safe. I guess that means a dungeon in the basement and sound proof walls. This guy is one screenplay away from a 20-20 or Criminal Minds episode.

      • Stacy

        And where exactly has Barbara Cordova Oliver been disappeared to? Another “Life Center” out in the middle of nowhere where she’s being held against her will, malnourished, restrained, possibly experiencing sexual assault?

        This has got to stop.

        • Practically anywhere sufficiently isolated, it seems. ‘Jim’ used his Aunt’s house. Who knows if he was operating on his own, or if this venue just provided the CofS with plausible deniability?

          In the age of Cellphones and the Internet, this kind of apparently lucrative crime could even be ‘networked’.

          • Stacy

            “networking” is what a lot of the pedophile child molesters do these days. It’s atrocious. I can easily see that being done with these CoS “caregivers.”
            Ugh! It makes me sick! Why oh why hasn’t the prosecutor filed charges?! He/ she has plenty to choose from!

            • Part of the legacy of the collapse of the CofS could be that situations like this go on without them, undetected, for years – or even coalesce into a ‘support’ network very similar to those used by organised paedophiles.

              Without slipping into conspiracy theory, or assuming that the local decided to avoid a confrontation with Scientology (both unlikely in this case) I can only put the lack of serious charged down to ignorance and neglect on the part of the police, who have not provided the evidence to justify them.

              From the police point of view, they were called to attend a situation and resolved it by assisting the ambulance crew. Candace then became the responsibility of the people who were treating her – doctors who only have access to a serious ill person who cannot give them any information about the offences against her.

              I don’t doubt that those officers have attended many similar calls, where the people who were supposed to be providing care were out of their depth, and talked self-justifying nonsense to excuse the terrible condition of the person they were supposed to be looking after.

              They sort the immediate situation out, then move on. Tragically, they know that people like Candace are not likely to be able to complain about a lack of an effective investigation any time soon, so they get away with failing in their duty in this way.

            • Stacy

              “They sort the immediate situation out, then move on. Tragically, they know that people like Candace are not likely to be able to complain about a lack of an effective investigation any time soon, so they can get away with failing in their duty.”
              Very percipient, Once. Also, we don’t want to forget that to police, this would seem to be a minor crime, or one that should be handled in civil court. They’d want to get back to handling “real” crime and going after “real” criminals, like drug dealers and prostitutes. (I am being both scornful and facetious here, but that doesn’t negate the truth of the statement).

      • Stacy

        I suppose scientologists will fail to see the irony in this situation. They’ve spent decades griping about those old, outdated mental health practices that you just mentioned. Now, they’re the ones who are guilty of imprisoning the mentally ill against their will, and subjecting them to torture, and in some cases, murder (Lisa McPherson).

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      You nailed it Derek. Multiply my upvote by 47X

    • what’suppressive

      That would actually give me solace Derek. If it were only going on in the Tennessee woods.
      This shit happens wherever there’s Clams. And it happens a lot.

    • Smokey Wallisa

      This is a truly horrendous story. After looking through Arkansas law I’ve found that although it definitely seems like kidnapping, under Arkansas law, it doesn’t qualify because there were no demands or requirements for her release being made. However, I sincerely do not understand how this does not qualify under Arkansas law for involuntary confinement in the first class or the second class. This man is creepy as hell and deserves to be prosecuted for his actions with Candice.

    • Stacy

      Interesting thought about the dad. That would answer my question as to why he would allow Jim to “care” for her without any kind of oversight. He apparently didn’t care if she was sexually assaulted.

      • Forcibly committing someone to an institution/calling a person crazy is a classic way to cover up criminal behavior. How else would Jim get the dad to go along with his cockamamie plan to brainwash his bride-to-be.

    • Science Doc

      Yes. It’s like a Tobe Hooper horror movie about a demented Hillbilly who keeps women locked in his basement and eventually turns them into lunch meat.

  • Why is that chick’s neck backwards in that instagram post. How do you even pose like that. She looks like she’s about to find the cutest thing she possibly can and squeeze it to death with her bare hands.

    • GrandEclectus

      She’s going to find the cutest thing she can find and HELP it…by squeezing it to death.
      Yeah, pretty scary shot.
      The brainwashing seems to give people a weird euphoria. Confessing your sins is a tool used by priests and psychiatrists. It helps to get things out. But of course,Co$ uses it to control people. Sad.

    • Stacy

      She’s got “Ruthie” eyes. Eek!

    • Stantheman

      Yeah the fake smile and the spooky eyes got to me as well

    • Now that you’ve pointed this out, I imagine her neck suddenly snapping back so that her head rotates 360 degrees.

    • SexyNinjaMonkey

      She does have that Elmyra look going on

  • Spike Robinson

    This is just… (shakes head).

    For those of you who don’t know me (most of y’all I’m sure; I’m a new commenter), I’m the “never-in” who has been collecting the list of people whose lives have been cut short due to this dreadful cult – the list now reaches more than 550 lives taken due to the negligence and/or abuse of the so-called “church.” The list of lives wrecked and left shattered numbers in the thousands, if not tens of thousands.

    This. Must. Stop.

    • Keep up the good work.

    • You can add my Aunt Brenda Singer to that list if you don’t have her. She died at 35 of complications related to diabetes and probably a broken heart. My dad (her brother) convinced her to divorce her husband, who moved to New York City from Tustin, CA. (where she was living). After that she moved in with my family and my dad snooped through her computer and found some anti-Scientology stuff on there. He forced her out of the house and chased her to Rancho Cucamonga. He wouldn’t let us speak to her or her speak to us. I was about ready to leave the cult and go live with her when we found out that she had died on the job (she was an appraiser). This was in 2010.

      Scientology had prevented her from seeking proper medical care and taken away everyone she loved.

      • Stacy

        Derek, I’m so sorry to hear what CoS did to your Aunt Brenda. My sympathies for your loss.

        CoS must pay.

        • Spike Robinson

          With every name I add, I say the same thing under my breath.

          They WILL pay.

      • Spike Robinson

        Added with a prayer, Derek. You have my deepest sympathies.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Derek I am so sorry, so sorry about your Aunt Brenda.

    • salmondecides

      is the list on the web? Don’t forget Shaun Lonsdale Feb 17/08
      awesome work!

      • Spike Robinson

        He is on there, but bless you for remembering him. I’m going to be officially posting the list this weekend. There are still a couple dozen names of people listed as being critically ill or missing and feared dead which I would love to remove from the list:

        David Voorhees
        Eric Vigeland
        Vicki Payton or (Fayton)
        Robert Oakes
        Gloria Neumeyer
        Michael Lewitz
        John Kramer
        Noel King
        Virginia Kapular
        Murray Don Kaplan
        Gile de Hospied
        Arlene S. Heller
        Gloria Gervais
        Dorothy Geary
        Christian Fouche
        Mick Erikson
        Hans van Ettinger
        Gary Epstein
        Robert Ellison
        Son of Maria Echavarria
        Chris Currier
        Vicki Ann Benham
        Willie B. Wilson

        • I knew Willie B. (great guy) and his son Mike (who friended me on Facebook last year but he’s still into “Ron’s way” so that didn’t last long. Willie was the owner of Midland Oill and at one point supposedly one of the richest guys in the country, lost a whole lot in one of the oil busts. Appears he’s dead, though – http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSob=c&GSlh=1&GSsr=241&GRid=141145832&

          • Spike Robinson

            Thank you for confirming this for me, Skip. I’m sorry to hear that he is indeed dead.

            • Glad I saw it. I found Mike on Facebook and looks like he’s out of the cult now. Sent him condolences. I wonder if his mother Monetta is gone, too, probably.

    • Stacy

      Actually, a lot of us do know who you are. I-Betty posts videos of your wonderful scientology song remakes all the time. You’re a star here at the Bunker! 😉

      • Spike Robinson

        awww, shux. I’ve always wanted to be famous… 🙂

    • what’suppressive

      Hi Spike, great to have you in the Bunker with us.

  • ed inthehouse

    Maybe this has been answered already but why is this creep “Jim” not identified. Based on what he says in the interview and his admitted actions, I’d rank him up there with those on a registered sex offenders list in terms of
    potential danger to the community. What’s to stop him from doing this again and killing someone?

    • Stacy

      If Jim gets identified, it leads to the identity of “Candace,” and Candace needs to have her identity protected.

      This happens all the time when the media publishes the name of sex offenders. Some guy molests his kid, his name gets published, and pretty soon everyone in town knows it’s his daughter that was the victim, and she experiences abuse and notoriety, and every possible reaction except for sympathy and understanding.

      That’s why.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Jim is an illustration of how Scientology warps the perception of the world.

    Redefinition of words is something that is mentioned quite often in connection to Scientology. Ron puts a different spin on a word, giving it a new meaning that seems clever or insightful.

    The deeper consequence of this is that a Scientologist begins to apply these altered meanings to what they see and experience.

    I experienced this. I replaced my understanding of people and their reactions with the mental constructs of Scientology.

    When a good friend began to have doubts about Scientology I didn’t see that he had reasonable basis for his upsets. Instead I substituted a construct that “He had committed contra-survival acts and this made him attack those who tried to help him.” It was like an overlay over reality that I saw, instead of the truth.

    The “thought stopping” phrases are quite often just the surface shorthand for a much deeper alternate view of reality brought about by study of Scientology. Study of the suppressive person policy and technology creates an internalized world view that one uses to evaluate people. It has all these characteristics and behaviors that supposedly belong to SPs. So, when someone begins to act like they don’t like Scientology this mental construct is referred to to explain why, not actually perceive the reality. It prevents a Scientologist from seeing that the person has an actual real point based on real facts.

    So, what I see from the documents Tony put up, where Jim is talking about what he did, is that substitution of reality.

    His study of “psychotic breaks” and “Psych drugging” and “PTSness” provide lots of mental constructs he can put up as explanations for what he is seeing and doing.

    He doesn’t see that “Candace” escaping is evidence that she is being held prisoner. No. He sees it as her getting better. The normal view of someone that being tied up with bungee cords is wrong, gets replaced with the mental construct, “I’m helping here come back to reality. It’s better than being psych drugged.”

    It’s not just the redefinition of words. It’s the redefinition of reality.

  • If you’re a Scientologist, fuck you.

    • That goes double for Scilebs I hope. Or tripple in some cases.

    • anoni81b4u

      You will never make friends like that 🙂

      • Scream Nevermore

        Derek is an SP, they won’t want to be friends with him. Their loss!

  • Pete Griffiths

    I am appalled having read that story.

    • Robert Eckert

      A lot of that going around today.

    • “This Is Why” seems so feable right now.

    • 1subgenius

      Hey Pete, best of luck with everything.

  • Ivan Mapother

    Just wondering…

    • cathy from encino

      Ruthie is that you?

  • Stacy

    O/T: I’ve been on the phone with my brother for the past hour or so. After reading him the entire article about Candace (Jimmy, my brother asked exactly what you did- why isn’t this false imprisonment and kidnapping?), I was able to read to him all the warm condolences about his dog dying on Friday.

    My brother was pretty moved by everyone’s warmth and sincerity. He asked me to tell everyone thank you. He really appreciated all the comforting thoughts, and he said it meant a lot to him. He also said that the Bunker sounds like a great bunch of people. I agreed with him. Thank you all for you comforting thoughts.

    • what’suppressive

      I’m not really familiar with his story Stacy, but I’d like to be. Is there anywhere I can read it? Searching older comments now.

      • Stacy

        It was Friday evening (so good luck finding it. Too many freaking comments). His 15 year old Black Lab had to be put to sleep. He had a malignant tumor on his spleen, and on Thursday night, it did something that caused internal bleeding into his abdomen. My brother spent most of Friday taking his dog to Michigan State Teaching Hospital (Veterinary), to see if anything could be done. It couldn’t. And he couldn’t let him suffer. 🙁
        I was upset and talked about here Friday night. And the Bunkeroos were their usual wonderful selves and offered warm sympathy and condolences to me and my brother. It was greatly appreciated by both of us.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          You started another thread of condolence for those of us who missed it first time around.

          Big hug to your brother for giving his friend a wonderful life.

          • Stacy

            Thanks Hillie. I appreciate it. I’ll pass on the hugs again tomorrow.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I didn’t see that story before Stacy, but I understand. Our beloved dog died of cancer this summer. It is so hard to lose a pet – which is a family member – like that.

          • Stacy

            It is. When my wonderful Puck died in September 2013, I had my dad’s cat Cleo living with me. She was a great comfort during that time. My brother only had his one dog, so his house is empty right now. That’s hard to come home to when you’re used to that furry family companionship.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              That furry family companionship, yes. Exactly what is needed.

        • what’suppressive

          I feel his pain, really I do. I had to put my 15 year old Akita to sleep a week ago today. Although I’m not going through cancer. Hugs to you both

          • Stacy

            Thank you, I’ll share the hugs with him tomorrow. Hugs to you as well. I’m very sorry to hear about the loss of your furry family member. They aren’t pets to me; they are important members of the family. I believe many here feel the same way. I feel your pain suppressive.

            To clarify, my brother’s dog had the tumor on his spleen, not my brother. In case I made it sound confusing. My brother is fabulously healthy, thank Xenu. It was his poor puppy dog who had the malignant tumor on his spleen.

            • what’suppressive

              Well that’s good news….

        • MrsLurksALot

          I’m so sorry about your brother’s loss. Pets are so special, they crawl into your heart and become a part of you and a member of the family. Hugs to you both!

          • Stacy

            Thank you MrsLurks. It means a lot to both of us to have so much wonderful support right now. I’ll pass on your kind thoughts to my brother tomorrow.

  • Stantheman

    Excellent reporting as always of a brutally Painful issue. This religious cloaking is really able to give them a lot of clearance from law but I’m wondering who Jim’s (goo connected) uncle is and what his relationship was to the local government where the DA would hesitate prosecuting.

    Also O.T. I’m starting to wonder if there is just one troll in here every day posting under different accounts. they post during the same block of time, They accuse others of being only avatars and that our numbers are small. Isn’t that what these scions do? They attribute their own atrocious behavior and own small numbers to others. Just as disgusting as the story above.

    • Juicer77

      It’s possible that troll(s) are using multiple names. The numbers of people available in each org are definitely shrinking. You never know, though. Tory Christman was a $ci-troll – one of the originals! – before Andreas Heldal-Lund shared some kindness with her. It cracked the shell of thought-stopping and she’s been out for 15 years. If you haven’t seen this yet, it’s worth your time. (this is part 7 of 12)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFtwLghNPfo

      • Stantheman

        I always enjoy Tory’s videos.

        • Rasha

          I watched one of her vids outside some grand opening of theirs, and I swear, I laughed out loud after she tried to talk to some guy who wouldn’t talk, showing her obvious knowledge of the inside, then turned to the camera with a grin and said, “I know my shit.”

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Thank you for sharing. The kindness of strangers – something $cilon does not offer – was unexpected and helped her get out. We can offer that to our trolls, every one of whom has damage from the coercive mind control mechanisms of this evil evil cult.

        • daytoncapri

          That’s an alternative to attacking at the start and tell them to leave, plus try to damage them with insults. The “attack and drive away” approach doesn’t make sense to me, why should we help Scn to keep their grip on these people?

    • Panopea Abrupta

      I doxed today’s troll – link to his Facebook in the thread, he’s not OSA, just an asshole.
      We have had an Eastern European (Slav) $cilon troll under various socks.
      We have also had wtf dot com (I won’t give a link to his site) who is just a troll IMHO.
      They are undermanned and overworked with the hundreds of articles.
      There are $cilon public using their own names now (Irish Times yesterday, Variety,…)
      They will NOT win this one 🙂
      They are royally f&%ked – an excellent state of affairs.

      • Richard Grant

        Thanks for doing the heavy lifting on this, Pan. I take comfort in your confidence.

        • Stantheman

          Much appreciated info

  • Toni m

    Thank you Mr Ortega for this very sad report, I hope it will open the eyes of many people and the authorities will do something about it. At least parents will keep their children away, very far away from this place. Thank you for putting the name of Lisa in it. Lisa’s story should not be forgotten. She is a representation of one of the many lives that have ended too soon thanks to the scio’s tech, and of the lengths that this group goes to get away with it’s criminal activities.

  • I read this when it was first posted, and I had to stop myself. I mean I Have NO words. Like none. I was once told by a successful Mission Holder that the Sea Org is SUPPRESSIVE, and yet she has been a point of contact to continuously recruit for them KNOWING what a disruption it causes to people’s lives proving that it is all about the fucking money. All these kids have had to pay money to get back on their bridge …I mean…I won’t even continue …but I agree with Derek below. To all you Scientologists still-in FUCK YOU. That is all.

  • anoni81b4u

    Wow… fucking WOW …. crazy story

  • Scientology-based company going to OMB after application for Milton drug and rehab facility denied

    SIDEBAR

    Milton Canadian Champion

    By
    Rachael Williams

    http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/5298859-drug-and-rehab-facility-operator-going-to-omb-after-milton-application-denied/

    • Juicer77

      Good find. Thanks for sharing.

  • Richard Grant

    Had to get my head out of this. Settled down to watch a Brit miniseries, “Exile,” on Netflix. Character reads a quotation from Walter Lippmann:

    “There is no higher calling for a journalist than to tell the truth and shame the devil.”

  • RE: Saw “Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief” last night to wrap up Sundance.

    Posted By: il_slinky

    Date: Monday, February 2, 2015 at 03:16 pm

    http://www.utefans.net/message.php?id=1703409

  • nottrue

    Jim has neither…..

    • ze moo

      ‘Jim’ has had an empathy removal, courtesy of Lron.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Empathectomy.

  • Shanester

    Jeffrey Augustine’s newest and most disturbing insight into the inner workings of L. Ron Hubbard’s mind presents a direction connection between today’s shocking story of abuse and the very Hubbardian policies that, in fact, direct Scientologists to commit such abuse.

    A review of the comments on today’s story reveals the shared sense of humanity and justice that we all bring to the Bunker. Indeed, it becomes immediately clear that we are a far more decent bunch than those who yet subscribe to the failing brand of mind control that calls itself Scientology. We are more decent because, upon learning of the treatment of this mentally ill woman by a dedicated practitioner of L. Ron Hubbard’s craft, we feel such emotions as dismay, revulsion, anger, grief and sympathy – obviously for the victim we feel grief and sympathy, while for the abuser and his enabling doctrine of abuse created by Hubbard, we are far less charitable.

    In Mr. Augustine’s article on his excellent blog The Scientology Money Project he makes a very controversial claim that he backs up with the words of L. Ron Hubbard himself, and then provides astute analysis that allows us to see past the veneer and into the horrifyingly plausibility of Hubbard’s intention. Remember, it is difficult for decent people to want to believe in evil, and thus we allow ourselves to gloss over the ugly truth. Augustine’s article gives us no choice but to honestly evaluate Hubbard’s statements and decide for ourselves what Hubbard meant.

    In a fascinating congruence, I posted my very first entry on my new blog Infinitely More Trouble just minutes before Augustine’s stirring article on his blog and a few hours before Tony Ortega unleashed today’s bombshell of top notch investigative reportage. My first blog entry was simply a 1,000 word essay on how I thought Hubbard’s “Emotional Tone Scale” was one of Scientology’s primary methods of control. A major point in Augustine’s article also concerned the Tone Scale, and noted Hubbard’s instructions from his book Science of Survival on how to deal with people who are at or below the tone level of antagonism which Hubbard placed at 2.0 on his artificial scale:

    “There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the tone scale , neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the tone scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes . The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow. Adders are safe bedmates compared to people on the lower bands of the tone scale.”

    Augustine makes us wonder: just exactly what did Hubbard mean when he said “quietly and without sorrow”? The answer is chilling.

    And the answer becomes even more chilling when it is so horribly confirmed in the story today. Ladies and gentleman, the crazed Scientologist so rankly abusing this poor woman is simply following Hubbard’s directives to the letter. It may be assumed that this woman would not go “higher on the tone scale”; thus, she was “disposed of quietly and without sorrow”. She was sent to a rural farm in Tennessee, not a state associated with Scientology and at a retreat that denies any connection to Scientology. If this doesn’t represent a “quiet disposal”, I don’t know what does. The only reason the abuse was discovered was because, like Lisa McPherson, medical emergency personnel had to come and rescue the victim. Fortunately, unlike poor Lisa, this victim’s life was saved. How many other victims does Scientology have secreted away that we never find out about?

    Now we come to the most chilling part: “without sorrow”. Read the deposition transcripts of the Scientologist defending his insane and cruel abuse and decide for yourself if he shows any sense of remorse whatsoever for his despicable actions. The only thing that’s clear is his vigorous and continous defense of his appaling actions as the only right and sensible thing to do – because L. Ron Hubbard said so.

    As we slowly come to the end of the era of Scientology, we find more and more that its adherents still capable of sensibility have already left. (I hope that with the wider release of Going Clear that even more wake up and get out!) All that remain are the fanatics – the hardcore inner core that cannot be reasoned with – and I’m very afraid of uncovering more and more dismaying cases of abuse like the one in today’s story. We’re finally getting to the rotten core of Scientology. Its putrid essence is frightening to behold.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Wow, what a great post, Shanester.
      When Tony’s book is published (and made into an Oscar-winning movie – I can hope, right?)
      the last refuge for Hubbard apologists will be blown away.
      It is essential that people realize what a twisted, sick and evil person Lord Hubris was.
      It is enshrined in the lectures and writings.
      It is astounding that he succeeded in selling his piece of blue sky to so many and in amassing a fortune
      despite being nothing other than a confidence trickster.
      There was an argument made yesterday or the day before for his being recognized as the most successful criminal of the last century.
      I think it was Vistaril or Boson Stark who posted it.
      I agree.
      An under the radar mini-Mussolini, who inveigled upon tens of thousands to embark upon his personal journey to hell, his perfidious legacy lives on, though finally wounded and running for cover.
      TICK TOCK

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thanks Shanester, I have bookmarked your blog!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Great post. Jeffery is right. When you put the links together, see what the logical result is of Hubbard’s view of humanity, you get genocide of everyone who is not a Scientologist. And even some of them.

    • Stacy

      “and I’m very afraid of uncovering more and more dismaying cases of abuse like the one in today’s story. We’re finally getting to the rotten core of Scientology. Its putrid essence is frightening to behold.”

      I’m sorry to say I think you’re totally on the money here, Shanester. We’re probably going to hear more of these horrific abuse stories. I’m scared of how bad it might get.

      Hey, you changed your avi. You put in a pic of yourself? Very brave of you Shanester. Congrats and way to go! I’m going to head over and check out your new blog (and read Augustine’s blog for today, and get some red-Xing done) very shortly. I’m getting to the end of my tolerance for today’s sad, horrific abuse story. YOur post is excellent, BTW. I always get a lot out of your comments.

      Let’s see more pics of your beautiful tuxedo kitty in the future, ok? 😉

      • Shanester

        Thanks, Stacy. Yes, that’s me. I’m finalizing some FB details (which is a fuzzy way of saying that I’m engaging in last ditch efforts to convince a large group of Scientologist friends not to unfriend me, which effort is unfortunately failing

        • Robert Eckert

          I’ll miss your old fuzzy, but being open is an important step.

        • Stacy

          I say again, good for you Shanester.
          I read your blog. Great job discussing the stupid that is Hubbard’s Tone Scale. I look forward to reading more of your posts there.
          I’ll see if I can find my way back to the Kitteh Corner through all the new posts. 😉

        • Mark Foster

          Respect, Shane-star 🙂 Go, man! Onward and upward!

    • Frodis73

      Most excellent analysis Shanester. Also, you look a lot like a friend of mine, big time.

  • NOLAGirl

    Tony Ortega, you could write something on a bathroom wall and I’d want to read it, but I can’t read this story again. I am going to go revel in some joy. Goodnight Bunkeroos. I love you all. (F5)

    • GrandEclectus

      Thanks, I needed that!

    • Juicer77

      Laissez le bon temps roulez. Have a drink for me. Love the hug. ETA: love you, too!

  • ElleGee

    I would like to know if Candace is able to give any sort of rational or lucid answers to questions posed to her by medical personnel.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      When asked if she wanted to go back under Jim’s care, she said no.

      Sounds rational to me.

      • Stacy

        She also called him Lucifer. Normally I’d be inclined to see that as a sign of delusion, But in this instance, it’s sounds completely rational to me.

      • ElleGee

        Me too! I just wondered about a more in-depth interview and her answers.

  • Sherbet

    By no means am I linking an Ellen DeGeneres charity to CCHR, honest to God — but last week I noticed she accepted a donation check in her honor (her birthday) to something like the foundation for responsible prescribing; I’m not even going to capitalize that because I didn’t catch the name. Is this something regular Ellen viewers are familiar with? Does it involve psych drugs for children, or perhaps vaccines? I’m just curious. Ellen seems to have a big heart and can do no wrong, in my book.

    • aegerprimo

      I try to watch Ellen everyday (LOVE HER), and most days get home in time to watch most of it (no cable or DVR). I do not recall seeing the charity you speak of. Here is a list of charities she personally gives to –
      https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/ellen-DeGeneres

      And here are the ones she asked donations be made to on her birthday 2015 –
      http://www.ellentv.com/2015/01/25/a-birthday-gift-for-ellen/

      One of those charities is PCRM (Physicians Committee for Revolution in Medicine) –
      http://www.pcrm.org/about/about/about-pcrm

      The Physicians Committee is leading a revolution in medicine—putting a new focus on health and compassion. The Physicians Committee combines the clout and expertise of more than 12,000 physicians with the dedicated actions of 150,000 members across the United States and around the world.

      • Sherbet

        That last one is it, aegerprimo. It’s Physician’s Committee for Responsible Medicine, and it involves ethical medical testing as well as prescribing. Absolutely sounds worthy, unlike anything cchr related. Thank you for researching. I should’ve known a nurse would find it.

        • Suzy

          I like and trust PCRM, they are researched based and not $$$ driven as far as I’ve seen.

        • Observer

          Scientology would never focus on compassion.

          • Oxford Analyzis

            And they would never focus on ethics, as it is correctly defined. They prefer to simply pervert the definition.

  • Kittery

    Oh god, this has me so upset I can’t even see straight. These people need to be stopped.

  • Juicer77

    Attention, everyone… Due to the serious and emotional nature of today’s post, the Kitteh Corner will be open extra late, and we’ll be providing dryer-warmed blankets for everybody, two- and four-legged.

    • Sherbet

      Me first. I’m still sick.

      • Juicer77

        Then you get soup, too.

      • Stacy

        I won’t steal the kittens away today, I promise. We all need them too much.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thank you Juicer, thank you.

    • GrandEclectus

      http://youtu.be/GfjIFd3o_OE
      I love Maru & Hana

      • L. C. Spencer

        Oh my god I want one of these beds for my baby. Have never seen them!

      • Pepsicat

        I needed that, thank you.

        • GrandEclectus

          My pleasure.
          Tough day at the bunker.
          Kittens required!

    • GrandEclectus

      http://youtu.be/rGLpd2hbRb8
      Maru and boxes…the eternal struggle of cat vs carboard.

      • Frodis73

        I am in love with this cat. In the last box I can tell that he thinks his lower body is totally in the box, but it is not. I also see there are many vids of this silly cat and his boxes…I see minutes of my life vanishing into this cat and his world of boxes.

        • GrandEclectus

          I know. Glad you like him too.
          Maru and Hana, Cole and Marmalade and the whole Mythicbells clan. Amazing to watch.
          I’m extremely allergic to cats and dogs, so vids are my v vicarious living.

  • I’m currently going through the list of people Krustie has tweeted to and sending them this [see pic]… it’s just about the only thing I could think of right now…. strangely she still hasn’t tweeted anything since Jan 28th which I’m pretty sure is the longest time ever.

    • Observer

      She tweeted that she was going away for awhile on a “physical and spiritual” journey. Best guess here was that Captain Miscavige sent her to the Freewinds to do OTVIII.

      • Shanester

        Hi Observer! May I insert your “Ron the Writer” shoop into an upcoming blog post on my new blog Infinitely More Trouble? With full credit, of course, and I plan to link it to the Facebook page with your Ron series. Pretty please?

        • Observer

          Yes, you may use any of my shoops you like for any reason without asking me first (though I do appreciate your thoughtfulness). 🙂

      • Mark

        So that’s why the ‘Fleabags’ is listing so badly: Krusty-ballast! F5:

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        If she is on the fleawinds, that means she will not be interviewed or accessible. They can charge her for some sec-checking too. Makes sense.

        • Pepper

          Don’t worry the sec-checking is built in. Kirstie will avail herself of that tech whether she likes it or not.

      • Science Doc

        The basement in Arkansas was already booked.

      • OMG… she’s going to come back with super powers!!!!!!

        • Ella Raitch

          She’s going to wipe those bollocks right off Tom’s forehead, Lushie

        • Jenstnick

          She will be able to clear an entire buffet in seconds flat!

    • GrandEclectus

      She got scooped into her next stages at a propitious…or suspicious moment. What a co-inky-dink. It serves to keep her from any more damage to their sinking ship.

  • Scientology always wanted to replace Psychiatry–Too bad it seems to be 19th Century Psychiatry.

  • AutOmatic

    This part: “that was the whole purpose of getting a house, was just so it would help facilitate her improvement, you know. AND THEN MAYBE FOR HER SISTERS WHO MIGHT BE PRETTY JEALOUS ABOUT THIS HOUSE WHEN THEY SEE, YOU KNOW…”

    Does this prove that “Jim” had future plans for the “Candace’s” sisters? Very, very, very, very, creepy and disturbing. There is definitely much more going on here than meets the eye…and this “Jim” character indeed needs to be charged with something for sure, if only to keep him from possibly doing the same things to another human being…let alone this poor girl’s sisters! Thank goodness the public guardian has custody of this young lady, because her father and this “Jim” character shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near this girl. There’s no telling what kind of other crimes/abuses she has suffered from these creepy bastards.

    Thank you Tony for doing what you do, and helping expose and bring to light such things….this is why.

  • L. Meyer

    That girl in the pink sweater could be Brittany Murphy’s twin.

    • Pepper

      And we know how Brittany Murphy ended up. I hope not for her.

  • Tech Delivery Deliverance
    ..

    • ze moo

      Cue the funky banjo…..

  • Zac Hopkins

    Ortega is good at writing close to the heart, but this article hit me especially hard. When I was still in the clutches of Scientology (aka when Scientology was still trying to get me on-lines,) I wound up in the hospital a day after escaping a Scientology school in New Mexico. I was a teacher at the school but I still needed to escape. I go into detail in this post: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?38156-New-Scientology-Desert-School-%96-Mojave-Academy-Is-it-sufficiently-isolated-amp-remote Because I was in the hospital because I had intentionally driven my car off a cliff the next day, the hospital wanted to keep me under psychiatric evaluation. As you can imagine, Scientology flipped the fuck out and started giving the hospital hell. This put a wrench into my plans. I had thought of my attempted suicide as a win-win situation. If I died, I wouldn’t have to be in Scientology anymore. If I lived, I thought that Scientology would give up on me since I thought that they typically back off from people who attempt suicide. I thought this because I had seen their reactions to other suicides/attempted suicides of people my age who had grown up in the Church. For some unknown reason they weren’t backing off from me.

    Now with Scientologists hounding the hospital, I was in a strange position. Since I had grown up in Scientology and I was now only a couple days out, I was terrified of being put under psychiatric evaluation. On the other hand, I would have to allow Scientology to take me away AGAIN if I were to choose them over psychiatry. I believe this is what Candace was feeling when she refused to cooperate with the deputy and then escaped from his car. She probably only had one thing on her mind: freedom. Being held by the government or being held by Scientology were likely one in the same to Candace.

    If I could have escaped from the hospital, I would have. I had succeeded in letting the 24 hour hospital guard in thinking I was completely trustworthy and could be left alone from time to time. Unfortunately half my body had been broken in the car crash so it would have taken an hour to maneuver out of the hospital – too long to escape. I decided to use the Scientologists’ pressure to my advantage. Though the hospital’s team of doctors and psychiatrists (or psychologists?) first refused to give me back to the Scientologists, I could see their resolve fading under the threat of lawsuits. Irrationally fearing that I would be institutionalized for life, I exploited the doctors’ legal concerns by singling out the doctors that seemed most likely to give me back to the Scientologists. I secretly convinced them that I was well enough to fend for myself against the Scientologists if I needed to. Unlike Candace, I was a guy and could appeal to the boy’s club mentality of the doctors. As opposed to appearing like a damsel in distress. There was one “psych” refused to hand me over (the only woman of the bunch) but she was overwhelmed by the decision of the rest to let me go. There is a lot more to this story but that’s the gist of it.

    Of course I was terrified to go back to the Scientologists, but not as terrified as I would have been if I was going to the psych section of the hospital. Once out of the hospital, I stayed at my parents house for a while (they were Scientologists.) Unable to be awake for long periods of time, I allowed my mother to take the millions of calls coming in from the hospital. Because she was a Scientologist, she ignored all the doctors’ pleas to bring me in so I they could set my bones. When I would ask if any doctors had called for me, she would only tell me about the hospital’s financial requests. As a consequence of this, my right arm and wrist healed in a strange way and are permanently (and somewhat visibly) twisted.

    On the other hand, my mother was making lots of Scientology appointments for me. Unfortunately my otherwise outstanding memory is somewhat fuzzy during this time period but I was able to fight against and manipulate my way out of Scientology’s grasp long enough to physically recover and leave my parents’ house for good. I grew up in the Church and knew the right buttons to push (or not push) to hold them back long enough to leave my parents house. Now that I’m out of Scientology for good, I’m fine, though sometimes I wonder how close I came to Candace’s fate.

    • Juicer77

      Thank you for sharing this, Zac. I’m glad you are free now. Welcome!

    • April

      I’ve seen your videos on youtube!
      Welcome to the free world, Zac.

      • Zac Hopkins

        Thanks! That means a lot to me 🙂

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Zac, I am so glad you escaped. This is a frightening quandary that you describe, and you explain your mental state at the time so clearly – I just wish all doctors and psychiatrists could have known this. This is what we need to bring the cult down.

    • Ardent

      What steel resolve, Zac! You should really be proud of your strength of character.

    • Frodis73

      This story gave me chills. Is your arm fully functional today or did it heal kinda weird?

      • Zac Hopkins

        My arm is eh, fine enough. I can’t come close to touching my thumb to my shoulder but that’s rarely necessary. I exercise every day and since a couple years after it healed wrong, I have been able to do normal push-ups and pull-ups 🙂

    • daytoncapri

      My God, Zac. What a story. Thank you for sharing this, but my words fall way short of the impact of your words. I see that at least one other poster recognizes you, I feel privileged to encounter you this first time.

      • Zac Hopkins

        Thank you! The poster must have recognized me from the Youtube version of my podcast called, “Desperately Seeking Shelly.”

    • Pepper

      Zac,

      I just wrote a reply to John P Capitalist about the ranch school in New Mexico. I believe it may be the same one that you mentioned. I know kids who were sent there for a good hard reality check.

      I’m happy you’re out and safe. Stay well.

    • BFM

      What a ordeal you went through. Sheesh! I am glad you made it out. Thanks for sharing that here.

    • beauty for ashes

      Thank you for sharing Zac, Your story touched my heart. So brave of you to tell it. ((((hugs))))

  • Vaquera

    As $cientology’s atrocities persist in hidden corners and adherents suffer greatly, Greedy Cardone and friends enjoy a Super Bowl food fight. He is so slimy and gross. Asshole.
    http://instagram.com/p/ynP6F5uxDk/

    • Frodis73

      Gag! What an asshole. Hey, we can trash the place, it’s cool. I’ll just hire some degraded being that I can demean and pay peanuts to take care of the mess. No worries.

    • Observer

      Do they have Sea Org slaves to clean up the mess?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      That greasy bastard just oozes sleaze.
      GACK.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Always the hallmark of an elegant evening.

  • Frodis73
    • Bury_The_Nuts

      OH lol,…………Sarcasm is at volume 11ty billion.

      • Observer

        Snark ahoy!

    • BFM

      I don’t know Frodis, its smells like irony to me. It’s snowing outside by the way, and me and Jo (my doggie) both have running noses.

      • Frodis73

        That’s what I thought and there are no comments avail. Funny thing, that John Alex Wood guy tweeted this…he has tweeted to lots of stuff that he thinks is positive but ppl are totally making fun of him.
        eta-I am buried in lots of snow too.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          He kinda dumb.
          I would hate to see what he was like before Scientology raised his IQ.

          • Frodis73

            LOL!

          • daytoncapri

            funny!

        • BFM

          Oh that RonBot tweeted that? Muhahaha, is this person for REAL? Or is he in some remote poor country trying to make a buck off CO$?

          • Scream Nevermore

            No, he’s really in Saint Hillshire.

            • BFM

              He does tweet an awful lot for 1 person. I went to check his bio and he does seem to be an existing clam. I wonder if he operates more than one twitter handle.

            • Scream Nevermore

              He had one other that I know of, but ISTR he got into a bit of bother while using it.Can’t remember why tho – it will come back to me. I have been wondering if the Freedom Ethics account is him too, but maybe not.

            • Scream Nevermore

              Blimey, he’s got more accounts than i realised!
              http://john-alex-wood.scientologists-online.dissemination.tel/

            • BFM

              wow, I bet he has a brainless clam team working with him to operate all those accounts. And that Freedom media ethics account does bare some resemblance to the John Alex Wood tweets. Equally dumb.

        • GrandEclectus

          IKR! That was great! Sarcasm, not in the tech?
          It’s a beautiful thing! Go Woodsy!

        • Chee Chalker

          That just goes to show you how clueless $cilons are…

    • Captain MustSavage

      Ha! Total shit stirring.

    • Chee Chalker

      I think its snark in the tradition of The Onion

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I do too, Chee.

  • Mark

    At last! Managed to capture the cat in her “abandoned woman” pose. All it took was weeks of patience, sub-zero temperatures outside, and the second bar on the electric fire 😉 (Refresh):

    • Chee Chalker

      Awww she’s cute!

      • Mark

        I suspect if asked she’d prefer to be known as The Devil Girl From Mars, or An International Mystery Courtesan And Spy Under Two Flags, but she is undeniably cute.

        • Chee Chalker

          Or perhaps the simple and elegant ‘Miss Kitty’

          • Mark

            More like Salon Kitty 😉

            • Chee Chalker

              Madame Kitty?

            • Mark

              Definitely not “Hello Kitty”!

            • Sherbet

              “Satine” (from Moulin Rouge).

    • DannyBoy

      You have the patience of a saint 🙂 Very cute….

      • Mark

        I’ve had my camera ready on the desk for weeks, and struck lucky 🙂

        • aegerprimo

          I think she was liking the heater.

          • Mark

            She was—now thoroughly toasted, she’s sitting on the corner of the desk giving me significant looks about it being suppertime…

    • aegerprimo

      My cat does the same pose! (refresh)

      • Mark

        I used to have a dog who did it as well; coming upon him in this pose unawares, on his back with all four legs sticking straight up in the air, you could almost read the mind of one of my former cats called Polly (short for Polyphemus): “It smells like Buster, it’s the right colour for Buster—but by the great goddess Pashtet why does it look like a furry version of Kings College Chapel?!” Then Buster rolled onto his side and Polly looked mightily relieved…

        • Shanester

          Ha! It’s nice to read some words from you — so used to only seeing your always excellent shoops. Now we have a glimpse into the madness at the heart of the meme factory

    • Juicer77

      Rameses II called his queen Nefertari She For Whom The Sun Doth Shine.

      Perhaps this is She For Whom The Heater Doth Beam?

      • Mark

        I have found all my cats to be devoted worshippers at the shrines of the Great God Gas Fire and the Little God Electric Fire over the years 🙂

    • Shanester

      It’s a ruse, I tell you, a ruse! Behind that mask of kitty cat cuteness lies kitty cat clawness. Irresistible, of course, yet still a ruse. Great picture, BTW.

      Too many comments flying by to find the Kitteh Corner below, so I’ll add my kitty’s tummy to yours. Maybe this can become the Kitteh Tummeh Corner?

      Yes, she wants you to tickle her tummy. Yes, you’ll regret it.

      • Mark

        Luckily, I can usually tell when it’s a ruse 🙂 And now I need to get a shot of mine showing off as ‘Sheba the six-breasted wonder-cat’ (having black fur all over, it’s pretty obvious from certain strategic angles).

  • whingeybingey

    I’m surprised she isn’t pregnant.

    • aegerprimo

      Thank god!

    • Frodis73

      I was thinking the same thing.

  • PRenaud

    Hey Tony, one of Miscavige’s asshole is throwing in the mud, see the comment from Pieter S.
    at http://www.ibtimes.com/scientology-super-bowl-ad-surprises-viewers-major-us-cities-1802814

    • Guest

      If you can handle the irony of this being on Grant Cardone’s Instagram feed ….

      http://instagram.com/p/xZWQ6gRXHC/?modal=true

      PS: Only snooping over there by virtue of another comment here referencing Elena. Skin crawls with both of them.

      Ml, MoX

      • April

        “Spreaded” is not a word. The correct spelling for past tense of spread is spread. Ugh.
        Sorry to be a grammar nazi but that irks me in a post that tries to mock “fools” and “idiots.”

        • Frodis73

          I so wish we could point that out to him.

        • aegerprimo

          I appreciate grammar nazis.

        • Guest

          I hate Nazis … but love Grammar nazis.

      • Oxford Analyzis

        Hey Asshat Cardone-

        We deal in facts, not rumours

      • ed inthehouse

        “spreaded”? Um, okay…

        • Oxford Analyzis

          the correct term is “done spreaded”

  • aegerprimo

    Articles like today make me sad. It is hard to hear about someone who has such a terrible life, needs real and compassionate help, but instead gets mentally and physically abused. In the case of this particular abuser, his “church” the cult of $cientology condones such actions from its members, and fanatical members like this man think they are doing the right thing. To top that off, what is wrong with this poor woman’s father? He lets a person of the opposite sex, a person untrained in medicine or psychology, be a care-giver to his daughter and pays him good money to do it?

    GAH!

    To change the topic… if you missed my post on Saturday in the record breaking flurry of comments lately, here is a repeat post. I started new threads at the discussion forums where I will posts monthly lists of Co$ bad press for 2015. I did this last year, and people really liked it, so I will continue the project this year. I hope I can keep up, because January’s list is HUGE.

    Choose your favorite anti-scientology discussion forum…

    ESMB (Ex-Scientologist Message Board)
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?38261-Co-Bad-Press-Collection-2015

    WWP (Why We Protest)
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/co-bad-press-collection-2015.123076/

    OCMB (Operation Clambake)
    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=304237

    RFTTP (Reaching For The Tipping Point)
    http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12869.0.html

    ESK (Ex-Scientology Kids)
    http://www.exscientologykids.com/eskforums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=11477

    You can get your own copy of Co$ bad press for 2014. I compiled each month into a downloadable PDF document hosted by our very own Miss Tia. Browse the list of links at your own leisure, post it at your blog, email it to your friends, etc.
    http://misstia.com/badpress2014.html

    • Panopea Abrupta

      AP – I hope you can’t keep up because the deluge of articles/podcasts/blog posts/ tv clips and endless exposes becomes so large that even someone as diligent and hard-working as you have been can’t keep up with it.
      Thank you – I really appreciate the work you do on this 🙂
      I have a feeling that, post-March 16th, the bar may be raised considerably for all of us to read/hear/see all the “entheta” and that is a very good feeling indeed.
      We may even need to chip in for some Macallans – DM’s billions will be sorely tested.

      • aegerprimo

        Bring on the whiskey!

    • If you want to start a page for 2015 and add to it monthly or however you want with pdfs, just let me know….that way you’d have one addy to direct people too….i could make you a bad press lobby too if you wished, with a link to 2014 and then to 2015….however, whatever you want!!! don’t ever hesitate to ask!!! hosting is free!! 🙂

      • aegerprimo

        When 2015 comes to an end, I will make a downloadable PDF then (if my fingers still work LOL). I like to keep things simple, and right now I put the month list at 5 different discussion forums! Even though I post the same list, the formatting at each one is different, so it takes a little bit of time to make it look good.
        Bad press lobby? What’s that?

        • i just mean i could make a page /scientologybadpresscollectionlobby and you go to it and there’d be a choice of links there—a ‘lobby’ so to speak….link for the 2014 collection and then the 2015 collection….if you wanted me to do a monthly link round up for you—with your 5 links i could do that……

          • aegerprimo

            Emailed you!

  • some of you might remember the comments made about the Dean of GWU and his tweet to all his students linking the scientology site last night… I guess todays post here temperered what I wrote on my blog (the green text)… I haven’t checked it for typos yet… anyway here it is http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk

    • Frodis73

      I see he hasn’t retracted his tweet or said one word about it. Asshat.

      • GrandEclectus

        He said it was about KNOWLEDGE..and someone tweeted back “IGNORANCE”…heh heh.
        I was expecting an apology or delete as well.
        WTF?!
        He was taken to task for it tho.

    • BFM

      ML, is this guy a Sciloon? I couldn’t find anywhere that he is.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I think he is more just a dork.

        Now think about this.

        This guy is a ‘Dean’ at GWU.
        A University that handed LRH his ass to him and told him to GTFO.

        I am starting to feel kinda bad for the rest of the alumi if ‘this’ is all they got.

        Bummer.

        • BFM

          Pretty much an ignorant dork then… and causing major disrepute to GWU. *sigh* One would expect him, of all people, to KNOW Looney dropped out of GWU.

        • GrandEclectus

          Deans are treated like demi-gods, at least where I temped. What joke.
          I suspect they are receiving funding from clam central..or at least They’ve extorted money from their cronies to give to the college. (I’m learning how they work)
          It is UNACCEPTABLE to have anyone in a position of education and power to be supporting an evil cult. It is unacceptable to have an LRH room and plaque.

          Fortunately, he took some flack for it. But not enough.

          • BFM

            I checked on his twitter and it seems he has been promoting the Cult and Lroon for more years. Found a tweet from 2013. UGH!

          • Science Doc

            Probably just an idiot.

      • I decided not to dwell on that but when I woke up today I had a couple of emails from people who said they were pretty sure he is or was… so I didn’t accuse of being one but I still find it strange he’s deliberately decided to keep his tweet up

        • BFM

          He is under my suspicion radar too…. I just saw a promotional tweet on the cult as far back as 2013. Weird.

          • Frodis73

            What did the tweet say? I didn’t find any direct ones other than yesterday.

            • BFM

              Add this to your collection! @GWUArchives: 3/13/11:L. Ron Hubbard, Church of Scientology born. Attended #GW 1930-32. pic.twitter.com/it7eWKjl8P— Peter Konwerski (@GWPeterK) 13 maart 2013

            • just added it to my blog

            • BFM

              Shows he kind of has a “history” promoting Hubbard.

            • Frodis73

              Wow. Definitely. Looking a lot less innocent now.
              eta-Also, notice it says attended and lists the years. He knows he didn’t graduate, but included him as a full fledged alumni yesterday…Hmmm…

            • BFM

              Exactly… there is more to this guy than meets the eye.

            • BFM

              There you go, sorry about the messy embedding. I am having trouble doing that cleanly.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Please be right, blind item.
      Please.
      One more free of the chains would be nice.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thank you for calling him out on this, Media Lush. I wonder what the university president thinks about this black eye for the school.

      • I’ve tweeted about 30 students the link so far… only another six thousand or so to go

      • Couch_Incident

        GWU President’s website, with ability to send email (indirectly) and his Facebook info:
        http://president.gwu.edu/contact-president

        Should you be moved to contact the Dean of Student Affairs directly (or copy him on things you send the President), here’s his contact info with a direct email:
        http://students.gwu.edu/peter-konwerski

        • if you put George Washington University into twitter’s search you get a remarkable amount of heavy hitters… I’ve tweeted most of them… giving my copy and paste fingers a rest now…

          • Richard Grant

            The main GW University account is @GWTweets. I included this, plus the hashtag #GWU, on my last tweet. Not sure how much difference this makes, but my hope is to raise the general level of awareness of what this dweeb is doing — which is NOT good for the University.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      And another thing………This twit has that “Tom Cruise Crazy” look.

      Book him, Danno

    • i sent petey boy this tweet a bit ago….haven’t forgot about him!!! idea inspired by 3-7-77

      https://twitter.com/misstia/status/562373696971481088

      • BFM

        Thanks Miss Tia! Excellent comparison. Hope you can get through his thick skull with this and hope fully there is a working brain beneath it.

        • doubt anyone could get through the him….i am hoping that others at GW though DO have working brains and realize that they do NOT want to be promoting the sci connection!!! oooo….that made me think of more tweets!! 😀

          • BFM

            Go get em girl! 🙂 and take no prisoners!

      • Robert Eckert

        A student tweeted asking if he would boast about Anwar al-Awlaki as an alumnus of GWU (he also was there for only a year, didn’t take a degree).

  • Baby

    After devoting 30 years of my life to ensure that those who need Mental Health care receive them in a compassionate supportive environment..I am sickened.

    I knew by the heading of this post that it would OUTRAGE me when I read it..and It did..

    I Chaired the Patient Human Rights Committee for years at the State facility where I was employed.

    FUCK SCIENTOLOGY..

    Assessment, Treatment ( Via Treatment Team) , Medication ( If required) Counseling, and Supportive environment is paramount for successful integration within the facility and transitioned to

    Case Managers to ensure that all of their needs are being met within the community.

    I am LIVID… Such inhumane conditions and absolutely PURE IGNORANCE as to the Needs of the Mentally Ill.
    ………….
    Scientology.. You know what..?

    Your idea of Humanitarian requires that your People give X amount of dollars.. THAT MAKES ME VOMIT..

    Allow my Dox.. No brag, Just fact..

    I was awarded the HUMANITARIAN AWARD in 1980’s from the State..for my work in Mental Health

    YOU DON’T HAVE A CLUE.. Not a FUCKIN CLUE.. I AM INCENSED.

    • Baby

      I will be taking a break this evening..It is just so disturbing for me.. Thank you..

      • BFM

        I did that too baby….. long walk with my dog in the snow… (((hugs)))

      • Frodis73

        Love you Baby! I knew this would be hitting you real close to home. Come back when you’re ready…as you can imagine the Bunker is mad too. {Hugs}

      • DannyBoy

        So sorry Baby. Hit me deep too. Been around it all my life and …… not going to go there ……….

      • beauty for ashes

        I just love you!!!!!!!! (that’s it)

        • Baby

          Thank you Beauty.. Just came back on..I’ve been thinking about this all night..sigh( I love you too)

          • beauty for ashes

            I know…. Especially because you have experience in this area, and knowledge that is sooooo reasonable. It must be really triggering

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Baby, Your Humanitarian Award means something. Congratulations. I am so glad you are here.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Ouch. I had a feeling this one was gonna hit you like a brick.

    • Oxford Analyzis

      The obvious truth is that there are far more educated experts in the Bunker, on any topic, than there have ever been in Scientology.

      • Richard Grant

        Thank you, Ox-An! Looks like you’re relatively new to the Bunker, so I offer you a belated welcome.

        • Oxford Analyzis

          You are very kind, Richard. I’ve posted here in the past, but thanks!

    • Synthia Fagen

      I hear you! There are no words.

    • Juicer77

      Thank you for all the hard work you did to ensure that patients got the best care available.

    • Stacy

      (((HUGS))) Baby. You’re not alone in your outrage. We’re all here with you. We feel your pain. We feel Candace’s pain. And Barbara Cordova’s pain. Maureen’s. Derek’s. All.

      CoS will get their comeuppance. Hopefully it will be so complete that nothing left of scientology will remain to blight the world.

      Love you Baby. Keep that big heart of yours aimed in the right direction.
      (Ok, I’m definitely not making much sense any more. It’s so time for bed. Good night Baby, good night Bunker).

    • Observer

      And you didn’t have to pay a dime for it, because you deserved it. Scientologist “humanitarians” don’t deserve the title, so they buy a fake version.

    • Baby

      Thank You all my supportive Bunker Friends..That means a lot to me.. Just Gutted..

  • Spike Robinson

    I call a ‘shopping contest on the Crazy Sideways Head Lady. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone’s already doing it… I sure as heck am.

    • Oxford Analyzis

      Only body thetans…

      Can do this to your neck

  • nottrue
    • BeezleBobby

      Hmmm. I live not too far from there, so I was going to register and comment, but a well-informed commenter named “David” beat me to it. Someone we all know and love, I wondered? But now that comment has disappeared, and in fact there are zero comments. WTF? I will keep an eye on this.

      • BeezleBobby

        Never mind it’s back now, and it’s definitely somebody we know with a lot of valuable insight into Narconon.

    • Interesting that they’re using Social Betterment Properties International from the top like with flagship Arrowhead, rather than using a local patsy like the rest.

  • Jgg2012

    Which is worse: this story or the Duggans making 2 kids disappear in South Africa? In any event, Scientology is “worse than other religions” and people should not be giving them millions of dollars.

    • GrandEclectus

      It’s all horrible.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      One thing I notice Tony seems to do (very well I might add) is to keep us all from getting too full of ourselves……….especially when we are “winning”,…. is to do a post like this one that brings the reality of this whole scam and the disgusting and vile results of it right back to the front and center.

      Sometimes, for just a moment, I forget the mission. And then he reminds me.
      It is not about us….
      It is about them.

      • Frodis73

        Excellent point. He even warned us last night that something different was coming in the next couple of days.

      • BFM

        For me personally, it’s always a kind of a rollercoaster. Even when I know we are winning (positive stories in the bunker), I see the other side as well in my immediate environment. The bunker often provides me with hope and new energy to keep on battling until this disgrace on humanity is eradicated from the face of the earth. Rooting for the day family’s (mine too) can be whole again. SO abuse of young adults is put to an end. Fathers, mothers, children don’t need to make impossible choices.

        • Stacy

          Hey BFM, how’s your friend doing? Did he go back, or is he/ she sticking with being blown?
          (If this doesn’t make a lot of sense, I’m getting tired. That’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it).

          • BFM

            It’s so cool you remembered. … it does make sense, You question is exactly where I had left it. So your tiredness didn’t affect your memory at all.

            He spoke with the SO missionaries in the local org and he decided he will go back to route out properly… (he knows he is going to have a really shitty time there, being treated less than an insect, but he feels he has no choice.). This action could easily take half a year to a year.

            They are holding his wife and daughter in pawn you know. That’s how it feels for him. He has been told that both have been yanked off their posts and put under watch. They do hard physical labor (because both apparently disclosed a desire to see him again in their sec checks, and were found to be reluctant to disconnect should he not return —- for god sakes it’s a husband and a father for crying out loud, what else had they expected!)

            I did manage to work with him to get his insurance papers over, because he really needs medical attention. I saw him a couple of times with seizures and getting all sweaty. So we agreed he is going to get himself checked out here and take whatever meds are prescribed and then leave for base to route out. He is being called by OSA and the E/O almost daily. He asked me to help him through is things here but for now it must remain a secret that he is staying in a house owned by me.
            When he goes back to base he will disconnect from me, otherwise he will not be able to complete his routing form (and he asked me for my understanding if he does). He is hoping his connection with me won’t come up in his sec checks, but I am pretty convinced it will.

            Anyway… so yeah.. I am pretty much standing with my boots in the mud for now. It tears me up to see him go back, but I can’t make another decision for him. Hell, if I was in his place I would probably do the same. So, this dying cult we see still has quite a punch left in it on the few people still trapped in it. They are getting more and more fantastical.

            • Stacy

              Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. He wants to route out properly to avoid being disconnected from his wife and daughter. To do so, he has to disconnect from you, a good friend, who is also the only one helping him get desperately needed medical attention. On the other hand, if he doesn’t route out properly, his wife and daughter will be forced to disconnect from him.
              I hate CoS. Truly hate them. This poor guy. I totally understand why he wants to go back and route out properly, even though it’s likely his wife and daughter will be forced to disconnect from him at some point in the future, regardless. I just hope going back to route out doesn’t end up killing him. His health sounds pretty precarious. Very worrying.
              You’ve been a wonderful friend. No one could possibly do any more than what you’ve done. I’m sure your friend knows this, too. He can look at all you’ve done for him over the past few weeks in the name of friendship, and compare that to what CoS has done TO him over the past years of his SO tenure. True caring and friendship on the one hand, abuse and misuse on the other. He’ll make it through the routing out, I know it, and maybe his wife and child will end up coming with him too.
              (((HUGS))) BFM. You’re a great guy, you know that?

            • BFM

              Your first paragraph hits the nail on the head. The Co$ always puts you in a spot where you are facing a diabolical dilemma.

              Anyway, I made his travel arrangement and he will be leaving Friday morning. Yesterday we spend half a day at the hospital getting the necessary scans and checks done. Turns out that he has a multitude of bodily problems but the most pressing one is arteriostenosis in his coronary artery. He basically needs surgery or he might suffer a major heart attack. He promised to speed up his routing out as much as he can. At least he is now aware of what he has and how serious his body condition really is.
              I was responding to BTN’s post of people being “full of themselves” because of the perception that we are “winning”. I do know she meant it in a broader sense or maybe she wasn’t aware that there are people here who are faced with Co$ atrocities on a daily basis and are not in a position to get “full of themselves”. I, for one, don’t need the bunker to know horrible things are happening. (not to say that the story Tony had put up wasn’t horrendous to the max, it was, and it was quite shocking — I have seen babysitting 1st hand quite often but this was extraordinary horrific). Make no mistake. we are winning, but the sacrifices people are making and the heartburn people are still suffering is far from over yet. Don’t think I am holding a grudge now on BTN because I don’t, I like her and love reading her post. But that kind of hit a sensitive cord in me. Anyhow, I’ll get over it.
              Thank you for you kind words Stacy, you are a great woman! Your sincerity comes through your writings and is very much appreciated. It does me well. Love and hugs back at you. <3

      • Stacy

        Great post Bury.

    • The Dude

      The whole shit show is totally bunk. Not worth my time. But for some reason. I feel like these are my fellow humans. They don’t deserve this. I owe my time and attention, to educate myself and as many people as I can about this and other cults. The people inside are deluded, yes. But they mostly seem like good people. I was very sceptical of Marty and Mike when they first left. But they have surprised me on more than one occasion with their candor and grace under pressure. I have taken my years following $cio. To make friends with Ex’s on facebook, some from here,(you know who you are) and some new. I find so many good people that thought they were doing good. They see the lies now. Some are angry, some sad. Some of them are defiant! I love you all.

  • MCurie

    http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/02/giovanni-ribisi-divorce-agyness-deyn/

    How come Sciloon superpowers don’t prevent this?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      😉 Sweet.

      • Sandy

        Bury. Cap Howdy said that after the Super Bowl, he was gonna check himself in for his tune up. I hope you will keep in touch with him, so we know he is okay.

    • BFM

      I guess their marriage counseling didn’t go all too well. So much for Lroons statement “Every marriage can be salvaged” LOL! Tell that to Polly or Sarah.

    • Oxford Analyzis

      The divorce will most likely will be very out-exchange for the stupid scientologist

    • well, he was at Sundance… maybe she went to see Going Clear when he was doing what ever he was there for. lol

      • and to lighten the mood a little I think we have the Tom Cruise comment of the week from ‘Justin’… http://www.vcpost.com/articles/40144/20150202/tom-cruise-take-fans-breath-away-top-gun-2-jerry.htm

        pic

        • GrandEclectus

          From IMDB trivia re Top Gun2:
          “Tony Scott was at the time setting up the project as his next directorial project but sadly, a day before he was scheduled to meet with Tom Cruise about the project. Scott shockingly committed suicide leaving the project unknown in its development status. According to the project’s producer Jerry Bruckheimer, the project is still in the works to happen.”
          Weird!

          • no producer, especially someone like Bruckheimer, is going to say it “isn’t” going to happen on record with Cruise’s people listening…. there was a terrific takedown of this rumour on, I think, io9 listing all the reasons why it couldn’t possibly happen. There’s more chance of him becoming a Marvel super hero

    • The Dude

      Probably the same reason Mark Ebner found his Mom’s certs in the trash in L.A.

    • daytoncapri

      I stumbled onto this 2 days ago. Super Powers have been rendered obsolete by Super Better – web-based game built by author and TED speaker Jane McGonigal Free, on-line. No organization to join. Lots of kudos. No woo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfBpsV1Hwqs

      • Juicer77

        This could be worth something, I don’t know. But remember… if you aren’t paying for it, you’re the product. http://gizmodo.com/lumosity-brain-games-are-bullshit-1649901132

        • daytoncapri

          I recommend the TED talk. She explains her reason for putting it out there.

          • Juicer77

            I watched the video. Very interesting. I like that it’s multifaceted. She’s basically repackaging the aspects of a well-rounded being. Kind of sad that we need reminding!

            • daytoncapri

              Thanks! I think she’s really wanting to do good rather make bucks from this. At least those are my initial impressions.

        • daytoncapri

          I’ve been skeptical of lumosity. Thanks for the article.

          • Juicer77

            There was a podcast about brain games and their efficacy, darn it I can’t find it now. Anyway if you do a lot of listening like I do, you may enjoy the Skeptoid podcast.

            • Frodis73

              I love Skeptoid. I wish I could listen more.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I think Capt’n Howdy may be pleased.
      I think he has a thing for her.

  • The Dude

    Ok. That last photo is classic. The over enthusiastic eyes. The glazed eyes. The weird posture. I must know who she is! Someone take her to get a DECAF latte. And tell her to run away. Now.

    • Stacy

      She’s a Ruthie clone. They all are.

      • The Dude

        She looks like my salad girl on the second shift. From Colombia. Likes to bleach her hair. Nice girl. That’s why I want her to run.

  • GrandEclectus
    • Frodis73

      Cool. Now more sites need to pick the story up.

      • BFM

        I am pretty sure THIS story will be picked up. Just of it’s sheer horror and controversy. Scientology claiming to be anti-psychiatry but then abuses this girl in such a barbaric fashion.

        It is a story that needs to be told and I deeply hope some major news outlet will pick up on it.

    • nottrue

      ….Great….thank you examiner

  • flyonthewall

    I’m back from our LA vacation and mostly caught up on my Scientology articles so I thought it a good time to tell you all about my very interesting and fun interactions with the Scientologists during our first day in LA. I was there as a tourist and observer only and had no intention of protesting or provoking anyone and conducted myself accordingly. However, that did not prevent the SO I came in contact with to quickly reveal their paranoid, insular nature. This is a long post so dig in 🙂

    Our first stop was L Ron Hubbard way and PAC base. As soon as I approached LA Org I caught a glimpse of Odo the security guard and I was just tickled pink! I’ve watched 100’s of hours of youtube videos of this area so I felt like I’ve been there before and knew the characters already. I also noticed a lone RPFer doing landscaping in the parking lot. She was dressed all in black and appeared to be maybe 30ish. There were only four body routers at the Sunset/Vermont metro station. Our SP friend tour guide told us that the E Hollywood community association complained about all the aggressive body routers and in response to the bad PR CoS cut their number in half. It didn’t take long for security, the young SO guard at the 7min mark in this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv9OHgXcANc, to notice that our SP guide was showing some strangers around and that’s when things got interesting. This young man walked past us and immediately started texting someone. Our guide noticed this and told us “they” knew we were here. We stopped at the side entrance to LA Org on LRH way and decided she would wait for us outside. As soon as my wife and I entered the building the tall, stunning blonde receptionist was already literally running out from behind her desk to meet us. With arms crossed and trying her best to hide her alarm at our presence she curtly asked if she could help us. I was a bit startled by this greeting so I just got straight to the point and asked if I could have a SO poster as a souvenir. She was a bit surprised by this and told me “ummm, I don’t think so.” I then politely asked if I could look around and she told me there was a group tour coming soon so that wouldn’t be possible. I gave her a disappointed “well, ok” and left as she followed us to the door and closed it behind us.

    This is the exact same routine an older woman with heavy makeup gave us when we next visited CCHR’s psych museum. Needless to say at both PAC and CCHR there were ZERO people around except staff. PAC had just a few publics here and there. When we arrived at CCHR the young African American man and woman receptionists were polite and asked if we were there for the tour. We responded positively and were asked to take a seat while the female receptionist went to another room. After about 5 minutes the receptionist phone rang and the young man answered it. He listened to the person on the other end for a moment, looked right in my wife’s eyes and said “yes”. He then looked down quickly and hung up the phone. About a minute later the aforementioned older white woman came through the same door the female receptionist previously entered and gave us the same spiel we got at LA Org about a coming group tour etc as she walked us out and closed the door behind us.

    We all had a good laugh at their behavior as we walked away. It was much more revealing and entertaining to witness this bizarre act then see their pretentious cookie cutter Org or psychotic museum. Obviously, the word was out that a group of SP’s were on the loose and to watch out. Somehow though, the HGB didn’t get the message or bother to check with headquarters before letting us in to the Hubbard life exhibit. Oops, hope no one got RPF’d or a ripped face for that one. If they did, I hope it’s the thing that prompts them to blow.

    As we approached the HGB, our friend pointed out an elderly man with a severely bowed leg, walking with a very bad limp. His clothes were very shabby, not bright and shiny like the body routers but she recognized him as SO, which impressed me greatly. Soon as she said it he turned and disappeared right into the HGB. Our friend speculated he must have been injured (broken leg) and not received proper treatment thus leaving him disabled. I hope that he at least has a desk job as manual labor must be excruciating for him. The Tainwanese receptionst was very impressed with my VM t-shirt but seemed confused when I told her I got it at a used clothing shop. The exhibit was the predictable ridiculous Hubbard pseudo bio spelled out in replica “artifacts” and boring videos. True to Sci form the museum looked very nice and impressive but I doubt there was a single actual item from Hubbard’s life on display. I didn’t let the guide know the extent of my knowledge of Hubbard’s real bio so that I could get the raw meat experience and not put her on the defensive. I did mention the Going Clear documentary and that I would be seeing it. She was a bit disappointed by this, especially since she did give me the old “if you wanted to know about me would you ask my ex boyfriend or me?” routine. I sensed a slight ARC break when I suggested that the horrible things the ex said about her might very well be true. We had a tight schedule and I wasn’t interested in a confrontation so I didn’t press the issue. I was impressed to hear that thanks to brave folks who wear t-shirts like mine, the crime rate in Columbia was cut by 50% and that they don’t use any Scientology in Narconon, it’s purely secular. I did find it ironic that the museum had a big display of SHSBC boxes as I understand that this cornerstone course is not even given anymore. It’s almost like Miscavige is putting this relic from what use to be The Bridge right on display.

    My guide and the other receptionist did promise to look into why Dr. Joseph Winter’s intro doesn’t appear in the new versions of Dianetics 🙂 For any OSA goons reading this, my guide and the receptionist were very excited to finally have the pure Hubbard tech that came with the 2007 rerelease and were very thankful to COB for finding the greedy, corrupt publishers who screwed up the original Dianetics so please don’t punish them too much. My guide even suggested I buy the new version and not even finish reading my 2002 version.

    The thing that stood out most about the museums was that they were both behind locked doors and were strictly guided. When you go into CCHR or HGB the only thing you see is the lobby. The exhibits are behind locked doors and you only get in with a guide. Literally every other museum I’ve been to is wide open and inviting, not these. Normal museums want you to explore and roam. This spirit of freedom is an anathema to Scientology. It is indicative of Scientology’s paranoia and obsession with control. I wonder if CoS consulted with N Korea when planning their tours/museums or vice versa?

    Our next and last stop on the LA Scientology tour was the testing center in the old Christie hotel and it did not disappoint. Some people were definitely expecting us as an upstat dressed lady eyeballed us as we approached the center going east on Hollywood. Suddenly a security guard appeared in the doorway and greeted our SP friend by name as we came near the entrance. The upstat lady also moved to the doorway and started texting someone as she watched us lean against a light pole at the corner of Hollywood/Ivar. While smoking and watching the literal swarm of body routers near the center one of them approached us and started his spiel. Responding politely to the router’s question, my wife told him she doesn’t know Dianetics, which was true, as he gave us all “tickets” to their movie. The guard quickly came over and told him “she knows about Dianetics, they’re not interested”. I didn’t like him calling my wife a liar but I calmly said that me and our friend(motioning to our SP friend) know Dianetics but she (my wife) doesn’t. Our friend and the guard then got into a bit of an exchange but we left after I finished my smoke and our SP friend wished our router to see Going Clear and wake up some day.

    After coffee and hugs we parted ways with our guide. To our great relief, no scientologists followed us to our hotel as we made our way to the hotel and prepared to see Disconnection that evening. A few observations on the body routers on Hollywood before my very brief thoughts on the play (sorry for the loong post and thanks for sticking with it for those who did)

    There were lots of routers. I counted at least 15 and the majority were concentrated right next to the center but plenty were spread out b/w N Highland and Vine st on Hollywood Blvd. This was approx 530p on a Friday. Groups of two aggressively approached tourists and would kind of surround them while giving tickets to their movie. I noticed a lot of the female routers especially didn’t look older than 17 at best. One of them noticed my VM shirt and excitedly told her partner and asked if they should go back and say hello. Very sad, like they never see scientologists, just wogs who ignore them. The routers fit right in next to the christian teenagers screaming fire and brimstone into their cheap bullhorn on Hollywood and N Highland.

    Regarding the Disconnection play, it was AMAZING. I’m not just saying that either. BHP is a small intimate venue and the energy and electricity coming from the stage just knocks you. I really hope it goes to Broadway because people need to see this, it’s that powerful. Lots of tragic and familiar scientology themes and events are depicted to great effect. All the actors were stellar. The guy playing the “Chairman” was just unreal and the last scene was almost too much for me. And guess who I got to meet? Tiziano! Recognizing him from youtube, I introduced myself as a big fan, shook his hand and got ready for the show. It was a perfect first night in LA.

    • Juicer77

      Thanks for the virtual tour 🙂 I am hoping Disconnection makes it to the East Coast. Poor guy with the bum leg 🙁

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Great post, thank you for the blow by blow description of how effectively the sciloons confronted and shattered you!

    • Chee Chalker

      Yes thank you! I felt like I was right there next to you……maybe I was! Maybe I exteriorized and saw the whole thing for myself! Anyhoo, I am jealous and hope to do the same thing some day.

    • GrandEclectus

      Fascinating and I read every word. Thanks for the insights.
      It’s weird how they behaved. They are so easily threatened. So hypocritical…aren’t they supposed to be in command of their reactive minds? Ha!

    • Frodis73

      How exciting and thank you so much for sharing. Two things stood out to me: the locked museum. Pretty funny considering other museums contain priceless works of art, etc. Also, the excitement of the scis that saw your tshirt and were visibly psyched. I remember that feeling, back in the day, when I’d have some obscure band tshirt on and you run into somebody that recognizes said band or has same tshirt. Those poor people…I wonder why it never occurs to them that there numbers are so few…rhetorical question, just babbling.

      Thanks again for the details.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Okay I have a question after seeing the video. Do the name tags really say “Body Router”? (I am sorry, I am so gullible.)

      • Aslan’s Own

        I wondered the same thing! (I’m pretty gullilble too!)

    • Stacy

      Hey fly! Sounds like you had an interesting day in scientologyland. It also sounds like you have a pretty awesome wife to put up with your scientology obsession like that (unless she’s obsessed too?). Thanks so much for posting this. It’s informative and fun (fun being sadly in short supply today, given the distressing nature of today’s post). I can’t believe you got ushered out of CCHR without getting to see their famous death exhibit. Oh yeah, CoS welcomes everyone. Right.

      Thanks again. Great post. Have fun in LA.

    • Richard Grant

      Thank you, fly. This great report is the *perfect* way to end the day. I’m going to bed before Scientology murders the Budweiser puppy or something. Thank you!

      • Robert Eckert

        They were the big bad wolf, but the horsies scared it away. Nitey-nite!

    • Jimmy3

      I enjoyed this novel and would always recommends it.

    • aquaclara

      Thank you so much for sharing your trip with us. There is so much here. A couple of thoughts: the body routers are not endearing themselves to the locals, and at the same time,have to be utterly depressed by now. THIS is what they signed up for? You were brave and fearless.

      That visitors are not welcome is apparent, from the reception you were given.
      The chain of messages letting everyone know you were’t here is also so reflective of the treatment visitors get. Even the “all are welcome” signs are a bunch of bull.

      The attitudes you saw spoke volumes.

      Paranoia or fear? Who knows? But you had a great tour, and then topped it off with the best part. Seeing Disconnection. And Tiziano! And you knew he wasn’t TC.

      Thanks again for sharing this.

    • cathy from encino

      Fantastic writeup, fly! I am wondering what the museum staff would have done if you had tried taking pictures in their locked up display rooms. Also if you had visited without your SP guide, you may well still be locked in a reg’s office tonight.

      Thank you for your vivid and thorough descriptions.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Affinity Reality Communication
    hmmm, Dave , what gives?

  • The Dude

    I just posted this in a reply earlier, but I don’t have too much time to invest here tonight. I just thought it was worth reposting:

    The whole shit show is totally bunk. Not worth my time. But for some reason. I feel like these are my fellow humans. They don’t deserve this. I owe my time and attention, to educate myself and as many people as I can about this and other cults. The people inside are deluded, yes. But they mostly seem like good people. I was very sceptical of Marty and Mike when they first left. But they have surprised me on more than one occasion with their candor and grace under pressure. I have taken my years following $cio. To make friends with Ex’s on facebook, some from here,(you know who you are) and some new. I find so many good people that thought they were doing good. They see the lies now. Some are angry, some sad. Some of them are defiant! I love you all.

    • Richard Grant

      Good post Dude. Be safe and well.

      • The Dude

        Thanks Richard. It came from my heart. As much as I hate the cults. I want to save them all. But I can’t. I can just keep doing what I do. I am not an activist of any sort. But I feel I can help some of you to feel that “wogs” are not evil. We are just like you, and want to except people for who they are. Not what they might have done. Past is past. Look ahead. When you are at rock bottom, the only way to look is up!

    • BFM

      Thanks Dude, I am at times angry, sad and defiant too. Hell sometimes all at the same time! Thanks for being here and supporting those who need it. I never lost hope on humanity. There are way more kind people than hardcore assholes.

      • The Dude

        I am both in the same! lol!

    • Oxford Analyzis

      Cool post. Thanks!

  • DListed throwing more snark at tiny tommy

    “I hope the intergalactic thetan cobbler who makes Tom Cruise’s tiny little shoes has access to some good space titanium, because it sounds like he’s going to need to start reinforcing his lifts. According to Page Six, once shooting wraps on Mission: Impossible 5, Tom Cruise is going to start stuffing his face full of Little Xenu™ snack cakes in preparation for his role as a pilot-turned-drug trafficker in the upcoming film Mena.’

    http://dlisted.com/2015/02/02/tom-cruise-might-pack-on-the-chunk-for-his-next-movie/

    • Richard Grant

      Kinda catty.

      • it was actually written by his female assistant, not quite Michael K level yet

    • Eclipse-girl

      Tom turns 53 in July.
      I can’t vouch for a man’s metabolism, but it sure is harder for women to lose weight after a certain age.
      It can be done and it requires a lot of hard work and dedication.

      • Frodis73

        Yes and he looks like he has the type of the body that could gain easily..does that make sense? He has never had a weight problem, but he does go up and down a bit, just not in huge noticeable amounts.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      We must have some Little Xenu snack cakes for the Going Clear viewing party.

  • Narconon Ontario, DENIED!

    Scientology-based company going to OMB after application for Milton drug and rehab facility denied

    The OMB? Good luck with that. Maybe they’ll review the Toronto derelict Org’s 50% property tax break while they’re at it.

    • Juicer77

      “Qureshi said that there was no contact with Town staff because it was a “very small centre,” 10 people maximum, and would have “little to no impact on the community.”

      Hey, folks, we just want to hide a few people here who are causing us trouble. You won’t even notice they’re here until they start showing up at your door at 3 AM begging for help to get away. The drug traffic alone from the counselors’ pushers will boost the neighborhood economy tremendously!

      • 10 people makes it a mini-Narconon like in Destin FL. That’s much smaller than the place that they tried to buy near Orangeville. Were they hoping to slide under bylaws then slowly increase the number at the location, or do they have another planned location on the go?

    • BeezleBobby

      Nottrue posted this earlier. So far 2 comments, both against the proposal. I think we might know the “David” who posted a well-informed comment.

  • beauty for ashes

    The unfortunate thing about todays story is that it is not so hard to believe.

    I had an amazing friendship with my disability worker named Paula, actually everyone believed they had an amazing friendship with Paula that what was so special about her. She has since passed.

    While trying to sort through the tons of applications and paperwork for me, we would get off topic. One day someone came in and mentioned something to Paula, and Paula just sighed and looked at her desk.

    After a minute, Paula told me this story.

    One of her clients was house bound, so Paula had to go to her house to do things like food stamps etc. The last time she went her client was in serious pain,way more than normal. Paula had to pry the story out of her, but eventually she confessed. It turns out members of her family were stealing her painkillers and selling them. They left her with out enough pain killers to control her pain and had been in agony for a long time. Paula had tried to get her removed from her family and placed somewhere else safe.

    “She decided to stay,” Paula said.

    We sat there in shock and silence for a good while. I started to think about how this is everyday for Paula, and all the good things she’d tried and tried to get done for me. We must have applied for Medicaid twenty times.
    There really aren’t enough Paulas to go around.

    There are very few resources for those being emotionally or religiously abused or neglected by the people that care for them. Especially if they have a disability or chronic illness, shelters won’t be able to care for them.

    A meausure of a country is how they take care of the ill. I hope that after hearing Candace’s story today, maybe you will be inspired to look at some of the ways people fall through the system and how we can help them, how we can look at healthcare and mental illness differently as a civil right, not a privilege.

    Ps DSIL is underfunded.
    https://www.facebook.com/events/664374673602817/?ref=3&ref_newsfeed_story_type=regular

    • Stacy

      Beauty, you are so right about taking the measure of a country. You don’t look at the country’s elite, the wealthy, you look at the country’s poor and minorities (the disabled, the elderly, the mentally ill, the poverty-stricken underclass, etc.). Way too many people fall through the cracks in the system.

      About 10 years ago, DCF (Florida’s version of CPS) managed to “lose” children they were supposed to be supervising. All our public welfare agencies are underfunded and understaffed. Where we’re supposed to find the money to staff and run these essential services is a question that is beyond me at the moment. All I know is that it needs to happen.

      • Frodis73

        Then when some tragedy happens people bitch and moan and blame social services. Granted, sometimes they are blatantly at fault. Most of the time it’s what you said, low pay and staff shortage. Makes me see red.

      • Jenny Daniels

        That’s good ole Jeb Bush we have to thank for that, right?

      • Mark Foster

        Yeah, Stacy!
        How many MILLIONS does one drone and its payload cost? A fighter jet? The cost of manning and maintaining nuclear missile sites? What is the cost of the so-called ¨War on Drugs¨ ( both in dollars and lives/countries ruined)? Jeez, a fraction of the money for any one of those would go a LONG way towards alleviating(instead of creating) a LOT of human suffering of the kind being discussed here!

        • Stacy

          The War on Drugs, which has been so unsuccessful (and how could it not be, when it’s based on a criminal model and should be based on a medical treatment model?) should be done away with. Legalize marijuana, and use the tax revenues from that and the saved billions from the War on Drugs to fund the needed public welfare programs.

    • Frodis73

      A post after my heart. I agree about the measure of a country is how we take care of the ill, weak, abused, etc. We are FLUNKING. And should be ashamed. Yes, we have the money…it’s just a matter of priorities and what is really more important. Obviously, protecting the wealthy is more important and screw the rest of the people.
      There are some good people trying to make a difference…they are overworked and underpaid, big time.

      • Mark Foster

        Frodis, yes. We can bomb the shit out of other countries and turn prisons into for-profit businesses, but we can´t take care of our kids and old folks and vets and homeless and mentally ill and…Big sigh of frustration…

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      The lack of response from the authorities compounds this crime. Both child welfare and adult abuse services are seriously underfunded in the US. There is underreporting of abuse and neglect, and not enough resources to investigate even when it is reported.

      One very disturbing element is that this set of crimes took place in three states — Tennessee, Arkansas, and Florida — and she was forcibly taken against her will across state lines — but there is no indication that this abuse is being investigated by any of the three. The Public Guardian is the last resort, bless them for taking on Candace’s case – but I doubt they have sufficient resources to fully investigate the underlying abuse.

      As far as criminal prosecution, in my experience a lot of times the District Attorney shies away from these complicated “domestic-type” cases as they do with domestic violence. There isn’t a lot of glory in it — not like successful prosecution of a murderer or bank robber. I honestly think not much will happen unless there is a public outcry.

      And THIS is why we need to take down the cult. These little one-off situations such as hiding one person in the basement of a sciloon are very hard to root out. It is much easier to shut down a Narconon facility than to find these evil monsters in the woods like this guy Jim and also possibly Glen.

      • Frodis73

        Great point about taking her across state lines…that has FBI written all over it. Well, we wish it did anyway.

        • cathy from encino

          Exactly, FBI. This entire case stinks so many different ways, even the stink is worse than you think.

      • beauty for ashes

        Thank you, I do believe that the revoke of religious exemption and declassifying scientology as a religion will do enormous good. I hope for the day Narconons and Life Center is shut down for good.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    I read the story at lunch. That was a mistake. Tore me up all day and took the joking and degrading right out of my sails.

    Fuck you Indies who peddle the LRH agenda! This is treatment purely from the mind of your friend Ron. Fuck your lame ass wins. Why not spend some time to realize you could make similar personal gains from any manner of self-help and professional therapists or classes….without hypnotizing each other for a few brief moments of exhilaration. Is it really worth prolonging LRH’s ideas?

    • Oxford Analyzis

      The indies haven’t done this to anyone.

      • Frodis73

        No, but they believe in ‘the tech’ and would do this given the chance, since LRH is god and they are supposed to follow the tech the letter. Are you an indie? What would you do if a family member or friend was mentally ill? The Introspection Rundown or call a real doctor???

        • Oxford Analyzis

          Or course I’m not an indie, I despise LRH as much as you guaranteed. But I’m against the abuses, as documented in this report by Tony, not the beliefs of exes or indies, who have NEVER been documented to be abusing people, and actually HELPED with the movie everyone is raving about at Sundance.

          • Frodis73

            Ok, got it. Your post came across as defending the Indies. I really don’t give a crap what people believe with one caveat, as long as you’re are not hurting anybody else. Which is where it gets tricky with the indies. I think it’s all bs, but I feel that way about all religions..hey, whatever gets you through the night. With Dianetics, etc there is some dangerous stuff in there. Today’s story proves that.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              I’m upset about the practices, not the cray-cray

            • Frodis73

              Yea, but some of the cray cray (how to treat mentally ill) leads to injury or death of others. It is a slippery slope.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              We both slippery sloped at the same time. 😉

            • aquaclara

              Or as they say in Pittsburgh, slippy soloed!

            • Oxford Analyzis

              That’s the practices

            • Robert Eckert

              It is difficult to separate the belief that one should carry out certain practices from the practices.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              Yes, that is difficult, but it seems important to differentiate the two, so the indies will continue to help with the fight against the cult.

            • coonellie

              A true believer (of any religion/belief system) cannot separate belief from practice.

              Sure, there’s the “orthodox/orthopraxis” at one end and “liberal/indie” at the other end, but adhering to the practice of one’s belief system is what makes a person a believer.

              There are those instances where someone says that they’re, “X”, but they practice, “Y”, but we are able to objectively determine what they believe by what they p-r-a-c-t-i-c-e. This is especially true with Scientologists (and indies).

              Scientology is a cult precisely because a person MUST practice exactly as instructed without deviation or question. Indie or not, the rules are the same and cannot change.

              As for the indies continuing “to help with the fight against the cult,” um, no, they’re not fighting against the cult, they’re wanting to remake the same cult, only in it’s “pure” form sans DM.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              “they’re wanting to remake the same cult, only in it’s “pure” form sans DM.”

              Actually, I think even the indies realize LRH’s admin tech was complete BS. And without admin tech, they can’t recreate the Orwellian Corporation that is needed to enforce the ethics monitoring and requisite social isolation.

            • daytoncapri

              Sorry to disagree with you. You lost me at “true believer.”

              I see your logic, but can you provide a real-life example of an Indie group that behaves as you describe? How many members do they have?

              Indies have made a formal break, albeit not 100% in the short run. There are blaring examples (Mike, Marty) that does not seem to conform to your description. Or do they?

              As I see it, Indies are “transitional” to the real world, abandoning over time both the faith and the practices, except for some squirreling.

              That seems OK to me. Where am I wrong?

            • Oxford Analyzis

              Geez, where have you been for the last hour:) Hello

            • daytoncapri

              Hey!

            • Robert Eckert

              Of course not all Indies are the same. The circle around Mike and Marty has drifted unrecognizably far from where they started. The Milestone Two and backincomm people, however, are often frighteningly LRH purist, and I would not want to see what becomes of any trouble child among their families.

            • daytoncapri

              Thanks for the info on Milestone Two and backincomm.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Anyone who helps others deal with the cult deserves our praise, but at some point, the blind, willful ignorance of who LRH truely was does not buy an Indie a free pass. We like to say “believe what you want, just don’t harm others”. I find this a slippery slope. IMHO, there is nothing worth saving from LRH.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              Of course LRH is worthless. But I like the fact that the local book shop has his used crap so I can poke fun at it. He was a huckster. And now, we are immune against his B.S.

            • Frodis73

              Well, wait, no we’re all not immune. This story would not have happened…nor would there be indies.

          • Jimmy3
          • cathy from encino
            • Artoo45

              Holy shit. I read the comments. What a trove of unintended hilarity.

            • cathy from encino

              You know what isn’t in that review?

              Evidence that the author read a single word of the book.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          You just shocked a cognition and some lame J&D into my system. What if DM’s slapiness is really just high-energy touch assists?

          • Frodis73

            Lol. So, that’s what he’s been doing.

          • scottmercer

            I guess a Big Being has Big Ass Touch Assists.

          • Nat-lificent

            Ha!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Not yet, but following Hubbard almost guarantees the same result eventually. Even if they reform and throw away all of the worst aspects of his ideas, what’s left is merely derivative of others work. The is nothing groundbreaking about the self help portion of Dianetics/Scientology. To believe there is, is to remain ignorant.

        • Oxford Analyzis

          “The is nothing groundbreaking about the self help portion of Dianetics/Scientology. To believe there is, is to remain ignorant.”

          It seems to me you are recommending book-burning. That is not a valid alternative in a liberal democracry.

          • Frodis73

            No, nobody here wants to burn books. That I know of anyway. We joke about it and using it as toilet paper all the time though.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            It seems to me you are new here and putting words into my mouth. And the I’m not an Indie line sounds suspiciously like the I’m not a scientologist line to me. Just sayin’

          • Sarah James

            Fuck David Miscavige and the insane LR Hubbard horse he rode in on.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              Agreed. LRH the demon and his pet rat, DM.

          • daytoncapri

            I’m an Ex I have been actively liking your posts, and I genuinely like your last sentence,

            The problem for me is that I agree with LWH’s sentence you had quoted.

            So I ask this as kindly as possible, are you a Never-In?

            • The Dude

              He does not want to answer you……………….

            • daytoncapri

              Interesting comment, Dude.

              I can wait. Seems to me that he would not want leave this unanswered because of his personal integrity.

            • The Dude

              Agreed. We shall see?

            • daytoncapri

              He answered the question from a different source…

              His answer: Never-In, Tony fan.

              Works for me.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              That quote of mine was a mistake. I thought I clipped a different part of his post. I am bad at proof-reading and tend to type too fast.

      • George Layton

        What was done to her does not stand alone. What was it that brought jim to the mind condition that he would do that to her? Cult or indies, they all are pushing people toward that state of mental instability.(I’m talking about jim’s mental instability when I say that.)

        • Oxford Analyzis

          “Cult or indies, they all are pushing people toward that state of mental instability”

          That is sheer speculation and generalization.

          • George Layton

            No, it’s scientology.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              The speculation is that indies will generate the same iron-curtain like Orwellian nightmare as Scientology.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              No, the speculation is that the TECH and indoctrination and thought stopping processes are one and the same. I’m done with you. For a newb, you are much too defensive of the Indies, to not be an Indie yourself….or at least a misinformed apologists. So, you are either lying or need to do more research. Good night.

            • Frodis73

              I’d like to give the indies the benefit of the doubt. However, LRH’s own writing say you cannot deviate from them…so they have to follow his rules or they are squirelling the tech. That is a self fulfilling prophecy. I wish they were not so defensive and they would talk about this. In reality, there can’t be indies because of the way LRH set things up. They continue to be in denial though.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              “In reality, there can’t be indies because of the way LRH set things up. They continue to be in denial though.”

              Thanks, exactly. They can’t continue outside the Iron Curtain of the cult. They never do.

            • Frodis73

              Ok, well then your first post defending the indies doesn’t really make sense to us.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              I maintain that “Fuck the Indies” mentality is not a wise war-banner to be carrying. Not useful, not strategic.

            • The Dude

              The tech doesn’t work! LRH was a scam! IT DOES NOT WORK! Get it?

            • Frodis73

              I thought this thread really explained how a lot of us feel. A lot of us look at being an indie as sort of a half way house…where somebody can start to experience freedom, analyze what they have been through, etc. The goal is to move on, like most do. Some do not move on and are holding on for dear life. I want them all to say screw the tech and LRH it is all BS. It takes time in most cases.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              Great post, Frodis!

            • daytoncapri

              Minor disagreement. Instead of “I want them all to say screw the tech and LRH it is all BS”

              I’d prefer “I want them all to say Squirrelling is OK, even great!”

            • Artoo45

              Waking up from a drugged sleep is never easy.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I honestly used to think that too, but as time marches on, I have less and less patience for them. Away from the Indie movement, the same people could be even more powerful allies.

            • noseinabk

              I can only speak for myself. There is no “we” here. The comments are comprised of many different backgrounds and views on COS. Some are patient in waiting for the indies to wake up. Others, not so much. You will find that the majority do agree that we do not need to placate the indies. They can’t maintain a cohesive group anyway from what I’ve seen.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              “They can’t maintain a cohesive group anyway from what I’ve seen.”

              I’ve never seen any evidence they could form a cohesive group, either. After all, the only thing they have in common is a psychopath with strong narcissistic and sadistic traits. Not much to join hands and sing about.

            • aquaclara

              I just can’t understand why the indies choose to follow an idiot. Other than a transitional step while a once one reads up on the cult’s scams, I can’t support it. I mean, does one say, “yes, LRH was a lying, cheating scum and a lousy husband, but well, he is so brilliant!” I don’t think so.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              “does one say, “yes, LRH was a lying, cheating scum and a lousy husband, but well, he is so brilliant!” I don’t think so.”

              Sometimes they do, for a few years. But then they inevitably see the light.

            • Frodis73

              Omg, you need to read the Milestone 2 blog. That is where the LRH worship love fest is. So far, most people tend to transition out. Not everybody does. They see themselves as just branching off from the main church and in the future there will be lots of little orgs all doing lrh tech.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              I’ve read that stuff. They all splinter politically, and stop caring very much after a while. Nothing to keep them in cognitive dissonance when they can have normal discussions with normal people. And families.

            • Frodis73

              Problem is, they will NOT come here because we all hate LRH. They will not have free and open discussions and they monitor their site for anything critical of the tech or lrh. They are just a smaller version of the Co$ without the high prices cash wise. Which is why we say “fuck the indies”.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              Believe it or not, they do read here. Even some of the diehards.

            • Frodis73

              I’m sure they do. I meant they don’t really participate. Are you a never in, or an ex…?

            • Oxford Analyzis

              Never in. Long time follower of Tony.

            • aquaclara

              I give them all that pass for the time it takes to heal. But at some point, an intervention, might be needed with some. Hubbard was the root of all disconnection, all overboarding, all e-meter ism, all billion year contracts, and all the shams that started with the government. Without Hubbard, Miscavige would be nothing.

              I see nothing to idolize.

            • Mark Foster
            • Nat-lificent
            • Mark Foster

              OA,, unfortunately, a lot of folks DON´T see the light. These splinter groups have manifested-and some have persisted-since the days of Dianetics. And we have had spin-offs like EST…and Landmark, which has sunk its hooks into corporations around the globe.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              A thousand YESes! YES of the orgasmic quality! I mean seriously, who the fuck looks for life lessons for someone of his caliber?

              Oh, but LRH was just a man, don’t judge him by his deeds, judge him by the gifts he left us. We are all not perfect.

              Holy ghost pepper shits, was anyone EVER less perfect than LRH?That’s like looking to become a master chef from a line cook at Denny’s.

              PS: Sorry, this post was a little Tracy Schmidt…I will take a Xanax now.

            • Frodis73

              Lmao for these three things: orgasmic yeses, ghost pepper shits and TS.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I almost posted the Meg Ryan YES scene, but thought better of it. And on the ghost pepper? Yeah one time…that was enough. Top of my head was sweating all day long.

            • daytoncapri

              “line cook at Denny’s” Lol. 🙂

            • Nat-lificent

              “Sorry, this post was a little Tracy Schmidt…I will take a Xanax now.”

              lulzy

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              I agree with the sentiment that they’ve hopefully removed the evil intentions. In practice, there are multiple groups, most having completely broken away from DM- but if you look closer, there’s a lot distinct schism with LRH. Some say he went batshit in ’66, others only accept DMSMH, some cut it off when the Apollo landed, or when he went in seclusion. They’re all chasing the same rainbow, but it looks different to a lot of them. I was initially surprised that few of the groups accept 100% of LRH work.

            • Frodis73

              Excellent point and it highlights one of the many problems with trying to carry the whole con on. Also, I have yet to see one person advocate doing this crap for free (not that I want them too) but they are all charging and making money. They are just keeping the con going but they get the cash vs lrh.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              Thanks. I wrote about it upthread a little while ago. I agree with you here, but my larger point (up there in a comment to The Dude) is that I think that LRH basically conscripted the cathartic process of confidential confession or totally dumping off your psychological burdens onto a professional ‘listener’, and added conditions, or steps or prerequisites to a promised better state. A core part of the human condition is to unburden, to crave forgiveness, to seek to assuage percieved guilt. Hell, you usually feel better after you puke. LHR bastardized the system, but every good lie is based on a little truth- hence the different levels of acceptability, laid out chronologically- with Indies. If you look at enough stories, they all seem to regress backwards out of the twisted labyrinth that most spent a very long time trapped inside. Even Rathbun and Rinder are only recently totally out of the scene. If you’re inside long enough to be a credible witness to the DM carnival, there’s a lot of steps to go through while no longer trusting anyone in the short term for that cathartic experience that hooked you in the first place.

              ETA- A good example of how this might be changing is Jillian Schlessinger finding KdelaC immediately and getting her story out there. So there is hope.

            • The Dude

              Wow! Thanks for the answer to my question. Just look into your own mind, and you can forgive yourself.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              Well, I was having a rare serious moment. The main idea was that it’s pretty difficult to deal with yourself all on your own, lacking an outside and trusted perspective. I’m not sure anyone is well served in totally trusting themselves on the issue of themselves, which is evident in any number of places. I’m lucky in that I have family and a group of trusted friends that are eminently qualified at calling me out on my own behavior, which is often imperceptible to me at the time, and I’m just slightly not too stupid to listen. Mostly.

              The point I’m making is that LRH took the social guardianship/guiding role, usurped it, and placed commands or exercises or upper indoc. or whatever, and sent the people down the shit-creek. He took the role of individuals who care about you and replaced them with a group chorus that lead you collectively to the only place they remember to go and it takes a minute to figure that shit out.

            • scottmercer

              Even Miscavige doesn’t accept 100% of LRH work, though he puts up a good pretense that he does.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Again, with the words that were not in George’s post. We tend to actually say what we mean around here….or at least attempt to do so.

            • George Layton

              It’s the unshakeable knowledge of the tech and what end process that is brought about by the precise application of that tech that brings them to a state whereby they ignore the collateral damages done to others. They can’t see the patient, for the process.

            • Chee Chalker

              I think that is more reality than speculation because the tech demands it (the Orewellian nightmare).

            • Oxford Analyzis

              The tech may demand it, but I think I posted below that it can’t create it, outside of a corporate style hierarchy.

            • Chee Chalker

              Just read your posts below and I think I see where you are coming from. So, in the words of Emily Litella, “Never mind!”

            • daytoncapri

              chuckle 🙂

            • Mark Foster

              OA ain´t speculation, bro(or sis). The mental Orwellian Nightmare and mental buggery is alive and well here: https://milestonetwo.wordpress.com/
              Indies, in general, say they are ¨practicing Scientology per LRH¨ The subject itself is fucked. ¨Pure¨ scientology, allegedly available ¨outside¨ of the ¨Church of Scientology¨ , is still…well, pure shit. ¨Sir, would you like your shit on Pumpernickel, Rye, or Wheat bread?¨ You can eat your shit sandwich in an Ideal Morgue or an Indie Office, but it´s still a shit sandwich.

            • Frodis73

              Lol. So darn true. I wanted to throw things reading milestone2…I haven’t been over there recently. Everything is a freaking conspiracy to those people. SMH

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Do you….oh so, I mean Indies do the TR’s? Yes? Uh huh, that’s all we need to know.

          • The Dude

            No. “The Tech”, is toxic to the human brain. This is fact! It is hypnotic and harmful to you. If you cannot see that you need to educate yourself on what “The Tech” really is.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              Social isolation, Orwellian programming, ethics programs… these are necessary for Hubbard’s ideas to remain viable. The “tech” fails in normal society.

            • The Dude

              Are you saying “IT” could work somewhere? What do you mean? I want to understand where you are coming from.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              It only “works”, in a despicable and malevolent manner, behind the iron curtain of corporate scientology, when you are under constant observation by Big Brother. And even then, it only “works” to destroy your mind.

            • The Dude

              Then we agree. I like the 1984 references. Very good. Still you have not answered the question, are you a never-in or an Ex? We just want to know.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              Never-in, Dude

            • The Dude

              I see now. I was a lurker for a long time here till I posted for the first time. That was a while ago(and a screen name or two). I have read so much that the people here have asked me to, and I have read the other side too. To me, having read Hubbard’s incomprehensible books. The other side seems so logical and warm. Try Jefferson Hawkins “Counterfeit Dreams”. It will give you a scope of 30 or so years inside. All the way to the top, MIsgavige himself. He was beat and humiliated in front of his peers. Just read it. And then tell me more about “Indies”.

            • Frodis73

              Then, once again, your original post doesn’t make sense.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              My original post was “The indies didn’t do this”

            • Chee Chalker

              That is exactly right (tech fails in normal society). So I am confused as to why you think that it is sheer speculation and generalization for us to believe that the indies will come to the same end (albeit via a different road) as the Co$.
              Either LRH is infallible or he is human. If he is human (and subject to error) then his ‘tech’ is subject to error.
              I know some Indies say its OK to dislike Hubbard, but I think it’s all fruit from the same poisonous tree. And (eventually) you all (indie or co$) arrive at the same spot.
              Sure, maybe the Indies don’t practice disconnection……then how do they handle LRH critics? If they use the LRH tech, they have to treat critics as either SPs or PTS.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              I perhaps was not clear in my wording. I generally take umbrage to people lumping in exes and indies with Corporate Scientology, since I believe the toxic LRH mixture requires a corporate governance to take effect and ruin people. The post I was referring to seemed to be saying “they are all they same.”

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              Agreed that the contrived ‘processes’ of the ‘tech’ are inherently the invented equivalent of an amateur fiddling around with the wiring on a bomb, perhaps in a deluded attempt to improve the bomb. That being said, I’ve often felt that the basic (hate to use the term) “exchange” of the auditing process is close enough to a helpful scenario in human interaction as to seem restorative and benevolent. What I mean is that having a person- the auditor, or listener- give you undivided attention as you unburden yourself and to prompt you on the way to a more complete cathartic experience. All of the evil of it comes afterward through the recording of your statements and their later use, or in the inserting into the process of a pre-specified ‘cognition’, which is imposed to direct you into a predefined state of thinking based on what they want you to do. The pure initial cathartic act itself, if not manipulated for another goal, could actually be pretty helpful.

            • The Dude

              Yes. You are right. But….. He(LRH), made this. He was disturbed himself. There are better ways of unburdening yourself. AA is good. Therapy is good for some. If you had a alcoholic in your life Alanon is good too.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              Agreed. He grabbed a piece of something good and fucked with it. He made up his own thing and shafted it in at an early stage. I think of it like going to AA and everyone in the room is gorging on can after can of Pringles, like its “the cure”. That’s a shitty example, but you get what I’m going for.

            • Mark Foster

              Hingle, I disagree ¨that the evil comes afterward¨. The auditing process APPEARS TO BE ABOUT LISTENING. It´s really about control, conditioning, re-educating, hypnotizing…It always starts with ,¨This is the session¨ The questions and ¨end products¨ are standardized and uniform(Ron´s agenda). You are not free to get up and walk out of a session. You are, literally, putting yourself under the auditor´s control, who, in applying and adhering to KSW, is basically representing ¨Ron¨ …There´s the bogus e-meter, the hoo-hah fuss around being ¨sessionable¨ , etc., etc. Jon Atack addresses this issue in greater depth and with more eloquence.than I do, but what I´m getting at is that the auditing process is niether benevolent nor restorative. My take, anyway…

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              Please don’t think I’m defending LRon. When I say the evil comes afterward, I’m talking about systems of support among people that have been through hardship that he observed and took over in that Oakland hospital when he should have been kicked into the gutter. Family and friendship gets you over some really high humps and he stole that from people to make money. I’m thinking of the bullets, blasts, and knives that scarred my body and the people with whom I work through that. What I was saying is theres a bright spot to going through things- a real wall of fire that people actually have to deal with- and that piece of shit grabbed that. That’s all I’m saying. If he comes back from target 2, I’ll personally beat every rotten tooth out of his head. But I can see how some people, lacking some immediate support, might fall into that trap.

            • Mark Foster

              Got your point-thanks for the clarification!

            • scottmercer

              That “exchange” that you describe is called psychotherapy. “What I mean is that having a person- the auditor, or listener- give you undivided attention as you unburden yourself and to prompt you on the way to a more complete cathartic experience.” Yup. Sure sounds like psychotherapy to me.

        • noseinabk

          Just this week someone posted a comment from one of the indie blogs stating that they would be investigating Alex Gibney because of the HBO doc. Another indie posted here that he should be interviewed for the real information on scientology since only they know the tech. None of them cared about the abuse mentioned in the doc and were just as indignant as current cos members that LRH is portrayed as a nut. These are not people I would want making any decisions regarding another’s mental state.

          • Oxford Analyzis

            Thanks, that’s good info.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Jim is clearly mentally unstable and would be without Scientology.

          But that doesn’t mean the thing that enables, supports and justifies (in his mind) that instability should get any kind of pass.

      • The Dude

        Bullshit!

        • Oxford Analyzis

          How so, Dude?

      • Sarah James

        They keep the crap alive. It should have ended before hubbard died. It should have ended with his death but no they let David Miscavige lead them. Indies are responsible too.

        • Oxford Analyzis

          That was Corporate Scientology that kept it alive after the fucktard died.

          • Frodis73

            Anybody practicing scientology AND especially spreading it to new people is keeping that BS alive.

          • George Layton

            Things are coming to a breaking point. If there is a mass exodus from the church and the sea org is broken up and scattered, what will happen to those people? They have been taught to loath the wog world and understand that there are liars and worse out here. How many of the indies are waiting for all these people to come over to them for help? What will be the reason any indie helps these people adapt to the outside world? Also what will be the help provided? Will these people get more of the same explanations of the nature of reality they have in the cult right now? If I knew the indies were happy with leaving off of anyone escaping the cult and letting them find their way outside of the hubbard box then I would say, great the indies are what they are, but I don’t think they will leave those that escape be. Whether they truly believe they can help, believe that it’s the only salvation of eternity, believe they could use some cheap labor, believe they can use some extra capitol, I am afraid some of the indie are going to prey upon those that escape. I believe it is going to evolve into an outer scientology via the indies when things break up. The indies need a wake up call along with all those trapped in the corporation.

            • Oxford Analyzis

              To be honest, I don’t care. I don’t care, because I’ve not seen any documented human rights abuses committed by exes or indies or freezoners or what you will. At that point, I’ll be more concerned about homeopaths.

            • daytoncapri

              LOL. Hey. I like homeopaths! uh-oh….

            • Oxford Analyzis

              And we only just met:) Sorry!

            • Artoo45

              Homeopathy™ “There’s nothing to it!”

          • Sarah James

            Ya think? Who pays into into “Corpoate Scientology?” IAS, David Miscavige piggy bank. CST cash, who controls the money? RTC, David Miscavige. How does David Miscavige pay OSA, PI’s and run his criminal syndicate? With the money he gets from idiots who pay into this shit scam called scientology.

          • Mark Foster

            OA, check this article out, I think you will find it interesting:
            http://www.alanzosblog.com/radical-corporate-scientology-isnt-just-plain-ole-church-scientology/

            Also, have you read any of the old-timers accounts of their interactions with Hubbard?

      • Ella Raitch

        Read Valshifter’s story (sort newest).

    • SNAFU

      I read it over breakfast and 15 hours later I’m still too enraged to add anything more than..

    • WOG3232

      Agree with you 100% L. Wrong.

  • anoni81b4u

    Another Person helped by Scientology .. all hail Xenu

    • Oxford Analyzis

      Sarcasm brackets deployed { }

  • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

    Sunning. It reads like a an Alfred Hitchcock film script.

  • The Dude

    I thought this was so amusing. I thought the lyrics were very pertainable for Ex-$cois. The look on the face of the Trooper when people are looking are priceless!
    F5

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XFBUM8dMqw

    • Frodis73

      Ok, that was pretty cute. He’s a good sport for letting them release that.

    • Aslan’s Own

      I love watching that – and it’s gotten over 28 million views! I read an article where his chief says that he’s sort of the “class clown” of the department and he learned the song from his 10 yr. old daughter playing it all the time. They staged it in a safe area and released it as a way to show people a positive side and counteract some of the negative perceptions people have of the police.

      I’m with you – my favorite part (besides the hand gestures) is when he’s at a stop sign or whatever and people are looking at him. All of a sudden he’s got his “cop face” on — then he starts again. Hilarious!

    • He certainly knew every word. That was great 🙂

    • Mymy88

      funny! funny! I love it! lmbo!

  • Frodis73

    It was just pointed out to met that it has been one year since we lost Phillip Seymour Hoffman. 🙁

    • Jimmy3

      Thank you. This article was missing the can haz sads. 🙁

      • Frodis73

        I know, as if this day wasn’t sad enough.

      • Science Doc

        Yea. It was all Sunday funnies up to that point.

        • Robert Eckert

          Yeah, well the Sunday Funnies have been getting rather sad sometimes.

        • Snort. I didn’t think anyone could make me laugh with todays post, but you did.

    • daytoncapri

      Many on this forum have blasted “The Master,” but I really got into it, recognizing moments own my own life. The wife didn’t go with me, which was a good thing, Joaquin Phoenix was a bit rich.

      Before the Movie – I asked guys – about my age – about their exposure to Scn. None. One was fan of the director. The other was a fan of PSM.

      • Frodis73

        I enjoyed it too. I just re-watched it last week and I still like it. It wasn’t the movie we wanted in the let’s expose the church kinda way, but it stands alone for the character study and great performances. I love PSH…he was a genius in his field.
        I also like how the film played out the TR’s for example. For people that know nothing of how the tech is practiced, it’s pretty awesome.

        • daytoncapri

          touch the wall

  • Illinoisian

    Don’t know if anyone else mentioned this but our troll today (or one of them, not sure if there were two) exhibited two features in his comments today that struck me as unusual: first, slogans (e.g. ‘keep scientology working’) and, second, he specifically mentioned DM as ‘COB’ today in three of the five comments that he posted. In two of those three instances, he closed the post with “Thank you COB.” Most previous troll contributions have shown at least an attempt to be conversational but this one’s tone seemed robotic and reminiscent of the ‘inch wives’ and the ambush group at LAX. Makes me wonder if DM is now micromanaging the trolls. My impression is that, if he were, these features would be among the signs: the use of slogans and slogan-like statements and frequent mentions of him as “COB” (especially thanking him). I really wonder if today’s troll was coached . . . or if DM was standing behind him.

    • Jimmy3

      With all due respect, Illini, I think that guy was making a cheap, sarcastic joke that failed hard. He wasn’t a Scientologist. Or isn’t a Scienolgist, I should say.

      • Observer

        I had that feeling as well, hence the Fry meme.

        • Jimmy3

          You should not use unoriginal, stale memes as a template on a forum such as this. You of all people are better than that, Observer. C’mon.

          • Observer

            I love the Fry meme. It makes me laugh. The suspicious look is so perfectly rendered.

            • Jimmy3

              My comment was a subtle framing of my own inadequacies, not an insult directed at you. I’m a little touchy and emotional tonight.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              May I offer you an assist?

            • Jimmy3

              Yes, thank you. I would love some literal butthurt whilst in my fragile emotional state.

            • The Dude

              Don’t go into the light J3! There is nothing for you there! Don’t go into the light!

            • Observer

              I didn’t take the least offense.

            • Nat-lificent

              *lil hug*

      • Illinoisian

        Well . . . perhaps I need to recalibrate my satire detector. I’d actually be relieved to think that it was “a cheap, sarcastic joke that failed.” I’d rather that the trolls be human and capable of engaging in spontaneous argument than that they be stiff little robots repeating set phrases and then thanking COB.

        With what’s coming on March 16, it will be interesting to see if the tone of the trolls *does* change in the weeks to come.

    • Science Doc

      Yes. Earlier I mentioned that the tone is very different since the Sundance premier. Yesterday we had a troll trying to get us to agree that Tick Tock was a threat of violence. I think the trolls are becoming more dangerous and I recommend we not engage them.

      • Illinoisian

        Doc, the word is that today’s troll (or at least the ‘thank you COB’ troll) was someone doing a bad bit of satire. I going to continue to observe them and see if recent events are making them more aggressive and irritable.

      • Mymy88

        You think the trolls might be becoming dangerous? Well! In that case, I for one feel soooooooooo threatened upon hearing that. I’m shaking in my woggy wog woggly boots. I’m soooooo scared. The big bad ooggie booggie scilon people are gonna come and get me. Ha! I can’t wait to see how David Miscavige’s eyes play off his orange jumpsuit. Living for the day!

      • Nat-lificent

        That tick tock one was a scary freak

    • Artoo45

      I missed a COB Remote-Con-Troll? Rats!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I think you may be right, interesting observation.

    • Captain MustSavage

      I don’t think it was a standard troll. My impression was of a person who was aware only of well known scientology slogans. No actual scientologese was ever used in his statements. (Everyone on the planet knows KSW from the kooky Cruise vid). Genuine indoctrinated scientologists can’t help overusing all sorts of weird acronyms all the time. My sense was that it was a non scientologist, probably a young person, who’d come over to investigate the site in the wake of all the Going Clear press and deciding to rattle the beehive for a few lulz.

      • Nat-lificent

        ding! ding! ding!

    • Mymy88

      Stand behind this Miscavige!

    • Mymy88

      Illinoisian wrote (snippet): I really wonder if today’s troll was coached . . . or if DM was standing behind him. (end of snippet)

      Stand behind this Miscavige!

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        may I use that?

        • Mymy88

          Of course, memes are meant for meming freely lol.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Pete and John had their court case today:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/injunctions-maintained-in-church-of-scientology-intimidation-case-1.2088252

    Notice the “Dr” Hubbard – that fake Ph.D seems to continue to bear bitter fruit.

  • PickAnotherID

    Forwarded link to this story to my Senators, Reps, and every one of their staff I could track down an address for, demanding national standards be put in place to prevent narCONon, or any other scam rehab, from doing this to another individual again. But I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for anything to happen.

    Maybe someone will do a documentary on narCONon exposing what their scam does to peoples lives.