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What Howard Stern should have asked Kirstie Alley about Scientology

Back in the day, still infested with space cooties.

Back in the day, still infested with space cooties.

When did Howard Stern become such a doormat?

Yesterday, once again, he had actress Kirstie Alley on his show, and once again he let her off easy regarding her involvement in Scientology and her rivalry with Leah Remini.

The last time Alley was on, she called Remini a “bigot” after Remini had left Scientology and then made public that her former friends in the organization had dropped her like a hot potato — a result of Scientology’s “disconnection” policy.

This time, Kirstie wanted Stern to believe that her smack talk about Remini was all just “water under the bridge.” But a moment later she asked, “If a lot of people are rejecting you, at some point you gotta ask, ‘What am I doing?'”

So yeah, Kirstie still blames Remini herself for losing all of her Scientology friends. And we still stick by our reporting in the summer of 2013, when we not only broke the Remini story but also the news that Alley had called for an emergency meeting with Scientology staffers and other celebrities to plan how to deal with the fallout. Kirstie is still the mean girl on the Scientology celebrity playground, and she’s not really trying to hide it.

But anyway, as Kirstie says, that’s not really very important anyway. Scientology has been unable to stop Remini as she landed a spot in Dancing with the Stars and was the subject of her own reality show. Leaving the church hasn’t appeared to harm her at all.

Alley, meanwhile, has been very active in Scientology recently, finishing up Operating Thetan Level Seven — a step on Scientology’s “Bridge to Total Freedom” that can take years to finish — and she also completed Super Power.

Stern had apparently been told about Alley’s completion of OT 7, and he asked her about it. But then he let her get away with this whitewash…

“It means that you have gotten rid of all the things that would create aberrant behavior in you that you didn’t want,” Alley said.

Robin Quivers joked, “It doesn’t mean that you’re from space or you can levitate?”

No, Robin, that’s not what it means. But we wish you or Stern would either learn something about Scientology or have on somebody who already understands it. (Marc Headley has been trying to get himself on Stern’s show for years, for example, and he’d be an amazing guest.)

Alley’s answer was really pretty cute. Yes, OT 7 is about having “gotten rid of all the things…that you didn’t want,” but what she didn’t say was that the things you get rid of on OT 7 are the last of your “body thetans” — unseen entities that a Scientologist will have been struggling to chase away since learning of their existence in OT 3.

Why is it off limits to ask a Scientologist about this? It’s all quite well established after years of lawsuits and document leaks and the defection of thousands of former members, many of whom have spoken out about how things work on The Bridge, and all with total consistency. (Don’t believe us? Here, listen to L. Ron Hubbard and his wife Mary Sue come up with the ideas for these entities in 1952, about 15 years before he scribbled out the story of Xenu in OT 3. And here you can see the OT 3 materials in Hubbard’s own handwriting.) At OT 3, there is no doubt, Scientologists learn that we are all not just individuals, but that we’re each carrying around thousands of these unseen entities, each with their own histories and memories and traumas.

One of the best descriptions of what it’s like to go through OT 3 we heard from Lawrence Wollersheim when we interviewed him more than a decade ago…

“OT 3 totally shatters the core sense of identity. The central concept of mind control is attacking the core personality, the threat that you are not who you think you are. At OT 3, you find out that you’re really thousands of individual beings struggling for control of your body. Aliens left over from space wars that are giving you cancer or making you crazy or making you impotent. The reason for every bad thing in your life is these alien beings,” Wollersheim says. “I went psychotic on OT III. I lost a sense of who I was.” Years can be spent removing these aliens — called “body thetans” or “BT’s” — by talking to and about these supposed hitchhiking entities while holding onto a device called an “e-meter.” “You’re talking to thousands of beings. They have histories. And anger. They’re complex personalities.”

After learning that these unseen space cooties are hovering inside and around you, the next several levels of Scientology — from OT 4 to OT 7 — are spent trying to locate and then chase away these entities. (For what specifically is done on OT 7, read our previous story on it.)

And it’s not cheap. In our series, “Up the Bridge,” we consulted actual Scientology price lists as well as several expert former members, and estimated costs for each level. The exorcism of body-thetans on levels OT 3 to OT 7 would run a total of $121,421.25, we found, with OT 7 making up about half of that total.

So what’s wrong with asking Kirstie Alley, hey, was it really worth it to spend 50 or 60 grand and several years of your life chasing away the last of your space cooties on OT 7? Isn’t that exactly the kind of question a so-called “shock jock” would love to ask, given half the chance?

But Stern missed that opportunity. He also didn’t take the chance to ask Alley what she thought about Scientology’s drug rehab network Narconon — which she has endorsed — getting into so much trouble with patient deaths and dozens of lawsuits, as well as government investigations. He might have also asked her about some of the things raised in Lawrence Wright’s book Going Clear, and what she thinks about HBO turning that book into a movie, which is premiering at the Sundance Film Festival later this month. And so many other things about Scientology and its numerous crises.

Here, listen to the interview yourself, and just imagine what might have been if Stern had actually taken the time to do a little preparation…

 

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Aspiring actress Leah Haile posted a photo to her Instagram account to show what it’s like to stand in a long Los Angeles casting line…

 
LACastingLine2

 
…and then posted this photo with the caption, “In line and we keep getting freaking Scientology fliers. Stop with the craziness!”

 
LACastingLine1

 
The caption on this shot by another Instagram user reads, “Annual #Scientology ski trip at #snowshoe was a success! Converted so many new believers including bachelorette Betty! #Bessie #LRonHubbard”

 
SciSkiTrip

 
The person who posted this shot to Instagram claims that it’s from inside Scientology’s London org, but says, “I swear to god i’m not a scientologist”

 
SciLondonTesting

 
According to this Instagram user, this infinity symbol hangs somewhere in Scientology’s Flag Building (a/k/a “Super Power” Building) in Clearwater, Florida…

 
SPInfinity

 
Clown prince Grant Cardone applies his tongue to a gold bar…

 
Grant_Cardone_Gold

 
Andrea joins staff in South Texas!

 
AndreaStaff

 
Looks like it’s a lovely day today in Melbourne…

 
SciMelbourne

 
Scientologists are using social media more than ever. Drop us a line if you spot them posting images to Instagram or Facebook!

 
OUR COUNTDOWN

 
12 days until Alex Gibney’s film Going Clear: Scientology & the Prison of Belief opens at the Sundance Film Festival at 2:30 pm on Sunday, January 25 in Park City, Utah

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 13, 2015 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

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UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

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  • Snake Plissken

    Kirstie Alley quote about Leah Remini: “If a lot of people are rejecting you at some point you have to ask yourself what am I doing”

    Talk about delusional to the point of oblivion, the only people who haven’t rejected Scientology are the ones who have no idea what it is

    • Newiga

      Yes, it’s pretty ironic when you think about it… Hey Kirstie, if a lot of people are leaving/escaping/bashing the group you are so proudly a member of, you HAVE TO ask yourself “What AM I part of?”

      • Snake Plissken

        Bingo !

  • kemist

    I wish dear Grant would stick his tongue to that bar after it has sat a few hours outside my home today (it’s around -20 C).

  • F5

    • flyonthewall

      the hand is freaking me out!

      • YOU do better then!
        *mumble mumble “pinche ingrato” mumble*

        • flyonthewall

          no Nat it’s awesome, I like it. I’m not criticizing

          • I’m just mad because it bothered me too but I didn’t want to look at Sr. Ridiculoso anymore so I just posted it and hoped no one one would notice.

            • You did fine 😉

            • Thank you.

            • flyonthewall

              I hear you but I think it’s cool. Now I made Nat feel bad, now I feel bad :(…

            • No, I’m just low on Zoloft, it’s not you. Lol 🙂

            • Ahh the good stuff

            • I love it. Before taking it, I had never known what it was like to wake up nuetral or at least not wanting to cry before. Yay psych meds!!!!!

            • Same here. Getting psychiatric help is one of the best decisions I ever made. I’ve been off the medication for some time now, but I have been continuously going to therapy for 2 years now.

            • Yep. I feel very proud of myself for finding and sticking with the psychiatric help I needed despite all the family and cultural barriers I faced (nothing compared to you though). I asked my parents to help me since I was ten. I asked my mom to take me to a doctor because I felt too sad and she told me to eat a banana and sit in the sun for ten minutes. Everyone else said pray and if I was good Jesus would help me.

            • It’s so unfortunate when parents won’t get their kids they help they need. I know exactly what you mean about cultural barriers. A lot of my friends suffer from that and I try to encourage them as much as I can, but they think that going to therapy makes them weak. When in reality, it would make them strong to be willing to challenge their culture and get the help they need.

            • Exactly.

            • Frodis73

              Hmmm, let me guess…still waiting on Jesus huh?

            • He never answered so I went to the college health center 🙂

            • flyonthewall

              Jesus may have a hearing problem. He should get cochlear implants or something

            • Eileen

              Zoloft has helped a lot of people. Glad you found the medication that is right for you.

            • Georget1952

              Sounds like my family, I come from southern back woods babtist holy rollers. It is not enough to say jesus will help you, coming from them. It was more like “THE Laaaaaawwwwwd WILL help Youuuuuuuu CHILD!!! I used to hide under the pew for most of the service, especially when the women fell out and started rolling on the ground speaking in tongues. Scarred me for life,that did.

            • Hi Georget1952, I used to hide in the bathroom when I got to big to fit under the pews 😉
              Good to meet ya!
              -Nat

            • aquaclara

              I’m not laughing because this is damn sad stuff.
              But then I read this part that says “mom told me to eat a banana and sit in the sun for ten minutes.” Ok, I lost it then. You have my utter sympathy, Natlif. But boy, I have said some whoppers to my kids, and I could. almost. hear. myself. saying. this. Had I thought of something that good.
              Moms get so used to hearing the fake sick excuses that when there is something that’s real, well, the mom voice comes out. With all those mom sayings. It’s bad, I know.
              I had a day off from work once, all booked up with routine doctor’s appointments, and my youngest knew I was home. The school nurse called for me to come pick up my child, who was complaining of not feeling well. I go. We are not in the car six seconds – still in the parking lot- when I hear from that cute little voice, “I feel all better now!” . They did not get the day on the sofa with the playstation as hoped, but instead, sat in waiting rooms all day.
              Once I even made my kid do homework, since “reading a book will make you feel better.” Yup, bogus medical advice. “You should have worn your jacket” . You pulled it in. “If you ate your vegetables, you wouldn’t need to miss school.” I said them all……
              I’m sorry you were not given the right care, sweetie. Moms really try, but sometimes screw up.

            • It’s a tough gig, I’m sure.

            • aquaclara

              This is sad stuff, Nat. I’m just sorry you had to go through that. I hope your doc is helping you stay on top of the world.
              Georget has a good accent, doesn’t she? I can hear that holy roller voice….

    • 😉
      poor sarah conner

    • ..

    • Frodis73

      but, but it has electrolytes!

  • “If everyone is rejecting you…” If we amend that statement to “If Scientologists are rejecting you…” Then it doesn’t seem so bad. In fact if the Scientologists reject you, then you’re doing something right.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Amen!

  • sugarplumfairy

    I’d love to see Marc Headley and Kirstey Alley on Howard Stern together.. Now, that would be a great show..

    • flyonthewall

      Yes, Stern will have Headley on and the same day Oprah will have John Brousseau on to tell all about all the free labor he and his SO comrades did for Cruise. Never gonna happen. Stern has been safe pointed

      • sugarplumfairy

        Ok, how bout they put Marc in a spot backstage and hook Howard up with an earpiece so Marc can feed him some hot questions for Kirstey? That’d be cool..

        • flyonthewall

          I’d buy that for a dollar!

          • Observer

            You are all over the place with your avatar all of a sudden.

            • flyonthewall

              yes, I liked my first one but then decided it may be obscene for some. Wanted to stick w/a TOOL theme so I think I’m gonna settle on the cow licking it’s own butt. +10 upvotes if you know which album it’s from

            • Frodis73

              Undertow!?

            • flyonthewall

              Bingo Bango! +10 for you

            • Frodis73

              Ha, was thinking maybe Enima…my house burned down years ago and I lost my music and book collection. Yay, I win.

            • flyonthewall

              damn Fro I’m sorry. How’s your new place?

            • Frodis73

              It sucks, but I was able to bring my dog. Honestly, the house fire is one of worst things to ever happen to me…I wouldn’t wish it upon anybody…well, DM. I lost everything with the exception of the clothes I had on (star wars tee!) and the precious dog in my avi. It’s a long story, but he was usually with me on 2nd floor, so glad he was downstairs that night. Loosing my photos, music and books was the hardest…the other stuff was a pain in the ass, but the emotional stuff still hurts.

            • flyonthewall

              I can’t even imagine. Stay strong.
              We use to have lots of snakes and all of a sudden for no reason I started to get very paranoid about the heating lamps causing a fire so I got rid of all the snakes. I have a tendency to be right with a lot of my weird feelings (not making a claim to be psychic) so I’m glad I went with it

            • Frodis73

              Oh yeah, those heat lamps have been known to do that; I get your anxiety about that. The fire I was in was actually arson. Idiot set house next door on fire and it took that one out and the two on each side. Dumbass is in prison now.
              Cool you had snakes! I dig them, but I also love rats and couldn’t get over the feeding thing. Lol. Thanks for your good thoughts.

            • aquaclara

              glad you and Frodiswoofy were ok. Losing all your stuff – That’s awful.

            • Frodis73

              Thanks AC. Yes, if Murph would have been with me, I don’t know what I would have done…I know it would have been hard to get him out the window with me. There is no way I would have left him up there tho either.

            • Frodis73

              I love Frodiswoofy too btw.

            • It’ll be 3 years next month since Eddie’s house fire, it’s really something you never can recover from. He came home from work and there was 5 city’s fire trucks at his house (it was an upstairs/downstairs place). He lost 97% of everything, the other 3% took extensive cleaning on my part and his dog and 3 of his 6 kitties—though at first, we thought only 1 survived (the other 2 were hiding in a dresser in the basement that had filled with 2′ feet of water)…truly would never wish that on anyone either!

            • Frodis73

              Omg MT! It’s amazing about those kitties! Firemen have told me cats are more likely to survive a fire than dogs and their amazing ability to hide is what does it. I did loose one kitten in the fire, 3 dogs made it out. Took out the entire top half of house and most of downstairs living room. Could have rescued a few things from downstairs/basement but I had no where to put any of it, no way to move it, etc. Tell Eddie my heart aches for him because I know how awful it is. Cleaning that must have been such a bitch…I can only imagine. It took 3 showers before I stopped finding smoke and dirt all over my body.

            • more of his furbabies probably would have made it had the __________ upstairs kicked in his very easy to have done so, porch door….his dog and 2 cats were by that door and when firefighters kicked it in, the one kitty (who at the time we thought was the only survivor and ironically his name? Survivor!) staggered out and he got 2 hours of oxygen in an ambulance (then i took him to the vet the next morning STAT, and my vet is so wonderful when i called to say i had to bring him in immediately and told them about the house fire, they started to cry)…..the other 2 we thought were passed somewhere else in the house, the firefighters had respectfully wrapped the 4 and they looked all over for the other 2….they didn’t tell us NOT to go into the place and they said they wouldn’t stop us—after the fire was out—but we were advised not….we went in, floors have burned, 2′ of water in the basement, i looked on his floor (first) for the 2 and he went into the basement and water was still pouring from the second floor and i thought i heard my name but the water and it was so smoky and a officer yelled for me and there was eddie holding maybe and he said black jack had ran out the back door (he found him 2 hours later after he got back from burying the 4 in my yard), they got in the back of a dresser that had no backing and to THIS DAY, maybe is TERRIFIED of the sound of running water—trauma!

              i am so so so sooo sorry about the loss of your furbaby!!! ((huge hugs))

              some of the glass items i discovered if you took a tooth brush in rubbing alcohol you could scrub the soot/smoke off…..he had about $10,000 worth of grinch collectibles and some of the stuffed animals i scrubbed with stain remover (provided they had no plastic that melted), then we washed and washed and washed and washed with odoban until the fire smell was gone! saved a few items of clothing too that way…..i repainted a grinch he had on a living room wall (furthest from the fire)…..the fire happened because the _____ upstairs had flooded her bathroom (above his spare bedroom) TWICE and it caused ceiling/wiring damage….the slumlord, despite him asking month after month with his rent check, never repaired it….the wiring shorted out when it corroded enough—-i climbed on a pile of debris (eddie’s son was holding me) to take photos….eddie had to go thru my friend who’s an attorney about this cuz the slumlord turned around and wanted money FROM HIM!!! he had basically NOTHING and she wanted $2000!!! she ended up writing him a check but no amount of money is worth the loss of furbabies and everything you’ve worked for, been given, etc…..

              here’s the short vid i made showing the steps of the 5′ wood grinch….of course i didn’t get a pix of it fully covered in smoke, the first pix is after we started pouring rubbing alcohol on it and i said ‘wait i gotta take a pix’ but a lot of it was off….and the ‘before’ the fire shows a small part of his grinch collection he had…..

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYeiCKaiN-0

              i made a video in remembrance of his furbabies too….he wanted this song used, so that’s why i used it….

              https://vimeo.com/37898625

            • Frodis73

              Oh my, crying here. That is so beautiful. It kills me after watching my house burn to think how terrifying that must be. I know the terror I experienced and I got out pretty quick. I’m glad you had nice firemen too, mine were amazing. So sweet that they did that. One of the dogs had very minor burns on her front pads…I’m so glad that is the only thing.
              This just brings back so many memories and frustration. It sucks so bad and you have to experience it to get it. I can def relate to his Grinch collection as I lost stuff from Star Wars, Star Trek, Monkees memorabilia, my vinyl, vintage clothes…stuff that was worth a lot to me (money wise too!) that you just can’t replace. I lost about 5 huge photo albums–that kills me to this day. Until you loose everything, you don’t realize how much you accumulate over your lifetime…some sentimental, some practical (like tweezers, nail clippers, etc).
              My dog was the most important for sure. I still can send myself into an anxiety/panic attack thinking about ‘what if Murph would have died in fire’ today…and I had to put him to sleep 2 yrs ago (old age)!!!! That is how bad it can be. Total hugs to you and Eddie and all the furbabies!!

            • Yeah, Eddie had to be held back by the firemen when he came home from work–as he obviously wanted to get into the house for his furbabies. Then he called me sobbing saying all of them were dead except Survivor (because it was assumed the other 2 who couldn’t be found were also gone) and the house was on fire and I raced over and half of Cherry St. was closed at that point. To this day I can’t go to sleep until I know he’s home from work (though I CAN see his house from my back windows now since he moved around the corner from me!). The firemen truly were very nice and sincerely sorry about the furbabies. When we went in we could see where they had moved furniture looking for the other 2. Yep, stuff that is valuable to YOU, that is totally irreplaceable and some people don’t understand that–even the photographs. That’s why I tried to save as many grinches as I could. I have pix on my FB of some before/after cleaning jobs…wait…found a few pix in this blog entry!! http://misstia.livejournal.com/668137.html oh i went thru the latex gloves, rubbing alcohol and odoban! I bought 24 gallons of odoban from home depot one day and came back the next to buy more!

              I made a list the day after the fire, room by room, of all ‘practical things’ he’d have to get. I still have them somewhere as I want to make a website with some helpful tips to maybe help others who find themselves in that unfortunate situation and yeah, you don’t think of everything—like nail clippers, etc. I’m sure you too go to get something in the kitchen and bathroom and you don’t have it anymore and haven’t replaced it yet as that still happens to Eddie. A couple of Eddie’s photos were smoke damaged but a friend of mine repaired them digitally. The ones he really wanted where all on a wall that burned. Some family members got him reprints of some photos and the ones from his computer I had had backed up on mine. But older ones? Gone. It’s almost been 3 years and he’s STILL sort of leery of getting back on ebay getting more grinch things, but that is starting to wear off—but I understand. He use to get a couple grinch items a month.

              Many hugs to you and your furbabies!!!

            • Frodis73

              Your idea about a site for that is great!! One, you are in shock the first few days and cannot think. I would have loved something like that. I too find myself needing things lost that have not been replaced and it’s been almost 5 freaking years now!! Off to read the blog and see pics!

            • Definitely in shock for awhile. I posted the link more for the couple pix showing before/after. The smoke/soot got into crevices, etc and I went through a lot of toothbrushes too!

              Another thing—besides having lists, which I know would be different for everyone BUT a lot of things are the same for everyone—-is how to clean, try to save some things because you had someone come in, meaning a professional place, they would say nothing is salvageable. I’ve learned otherwise via the rubbing alcohol/odoban treatment for glass and then stain remover/odoban for some cloth things! I also have some contact info/how to for some utilities. A lot of people probably aren’t aware that AT&T will waive reconnection fees when you move into a new place after losing your home to a fire so they don’t mention a fire to them. You don’t even need to send them proof. They’ll also put your account/# on hold for free too. Dish Network will waive equipment charges if equipment was destroyed –I did have to fax them a copy of the fire department report–and they gave me the # for executive customer service to call when he got a new place to get reconnected and they gave him half price service for a year. Time Warner were DICKS about their $50 modem (the dish receivers were over $600) but oh TWC and the $50 modem!! I marched in there one day AFTER cleaning so I reeked of fire and was covered in soot and slammed the melted modem on the counter and said “HERE’S YOUR FUCKING MODEM and I direct that to Time Warner, not YOU”….they looked up his account and were embarassed and apologized and the lady had no idea TWC were such DICKS about a modem after a house fire!! I told her how DISH went above and beyond. She actually fiddled with something and changed it to say I returned a WORKING modem so he wasn’t charged $50—I thanked her profusely!!!

              Yeah, I gotta work on that website! In some ways I’m still a bit traumatized too. I also wanted to wait til after his legal issues were settled with the slumlord and they got settled in the fall…..i think if you read that post i mentioned cleaning cds/dvds…..we got the smell out of 80% of them (soaking in odoban–that stuff is THE stuff for after a fire) BUT out of that 80% only about 50% of them worked due to probably heat damage…..we ordered new cases from amazon as all them had melted to some degree…..he lost all his record albums—those were at ‘ground zero’…..

              that site is definitely on my ‘to do’ list for this year….i always like to help others in anyway i can and i hope my experience from helping eddie can help someone else ….

            • Observer

              My familiarity with Tool only extends to their weirdly hypnotic videos.

            • flyonthewall

              ahh, they are works of art truly, love ’em

    • Observer

      Gee, I wonder who’d win that confront-and-shatter-off?

      • sugarplumfairy

        My money’s on Marc.. He’d talk circles around Kirstey w/o resorting to personal attacks.. Kirstey would get ugly fast.. And on top of that, half of what she says wouldn’t make any sense..

        • Observer

          It doesn’t when she’s not being enturbulated.

    • Qbird

      Yeah Sugar! It would be fun to hear them talk scientologeewhiz to each other.
      I always feel better when I see you post SPF! X, Q

  • Marc, not that you need it, but I’d love to go with you as moral support, or even just just to provide corroboration if you feel like that would be feasible.

  • P P

    If these “get that audition for actors” speakers are so good, how come we never recognise the speakers in any well known dramatic parts?

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Grant Cardone gets sloppier and creepier with every photo.

    Handing out fliers to aspiring actors? Great recruitment strategy, sucker aspiring actors who are waiting in long casting call lines by claiming unknown actors/agents can help them get acting jobs. Want to bet that the tips these unknowns give start with “wait in casting call lines”?

    Howard Stern hasn’t been Howard Stern in many years.

  • Just Dee

    I am reading Blown for Good, trying to get caught up for Tia’s book club on FB. Judge Judy is on the TV – and YUCK a scientology commercial just came on. Are they trying to get ahead of the bad PR they will get after Sundance?

    Not gonna comment on Kirstie/Stern. I can’t stand either one of them & they are both hypocrites.

    • No hurries!! We’re up to chapter 6 but people seem to be a bit behind with the weekend, some just got books, etc!!! I won’t start another discussion til Friday (for 7 & 8)!

  • Observer

    refresh

    • Lucille Austero

      Bwahahahaha!!!

    • The monocle! X’D

  • blood in stool not god for his douchiness

  • Frodis73

    Dear Grant Cardone,
    You are an asshole.
    Thanks, The Bunker

  • nottrue

  • Destructor of Worlds

    Fuck Tony, you can not lift a goldbar that size like that. It’s FUCKING HEAVEY

    http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Grant_Cardone_Gold.jpg

    • Destructor of Worlds
      • Panopea Abrupta

        Wrong gold bar.
        The link is for the 400 ounce bar (12.5 kg, about 27 lbs.)
        The bar in the photo has the dimensions of the 1000 ounce bar – i.e. about 65 lbs.
        No way he is hefting 65 lbs like that.

        • Destructor of Worlds

          You cute, you have those smarts.

    • Tony Ortega

      He’s got a Super Power certificate, remember.

      • I recognize that – it’s a $cientology bar. Pure shit covered in gold paint.

        • Georget1952

          Which is why Grant is all over it.

        • Destructor of Worlds

          Really sweet lover ? or are you being a tad sarcastic ?

      • Destructor of Worlds

        Funny man

      • outraged

        I think his tongue is frozen to the gold bar.

        Grant must be frigid. :/

        • Frodis73

          Snickersnort!

    • Suppressive Tomato

      Someone’s theta is a little too obsessed with MEST. Who licks a gold bar? A seriously degraded being.

  • Mark

    Breaking News: Miscavige spotted in London Org (refresh):

    • aquaclara

      Genius, Mark. I just wish every sea org member could see this one!

    • TheQueenofBulgravia

      There is actually TRUTH in the original $ci photo, The metal title on the wall says “TH E STING”

      http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sting
      1. To pierce or wound painfully with a sharp-pointed structure or organ
      2. To cause to feel a sharp, smarting pain
      3. To cause to suffer keenly in the mind or feelings
      4. To spur on or stimulate by sharp irritation:
      5. Slang To cheat or overcharge.

      • Mark

        “The Sting” is a considerable improvement on what I’d originally thought of altering the wording on the wall to: “Testicles”—Sciloonery is a lot of balls 😉

        • TheQueenofBulgravia

          We see that your version continues off the right edge with the instruction and large arrow, down and vertical, “DEPOSIT HERE” as the students are eunuchized –(defined) deprived of personal power, castratedness, $cibotted

  • Frodis73

    Totally OT but I know there are ppl here that will care. Netflix is dumping all of its BBC stuff at the end of January. 🙁 I must finish Dr Who before they yank it!

    • Sarah James

      Nooo say it ain’t so. Crap

    • Richard Grant

      I just did the math. I’ve got to watch 4.3 episodes of Doctor Who *per day* to get through before Feb 1. And finish a novel and destroy Scientology. What a month.

      • Robert Eckert

        And your point is?

      • Frodis73

        Looks like we will both be busy!

    • Vaquera

      Thx for the heads up.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+** The new QuickFlag ** +–+ RED X ***
    As you must have noticed the clams have up their game and are trying to overwhelm us.
    We have been scratching our brains to find ways to make our flagging easier and more efficient.
    We have found a way to reduce the 3 steps flagging to a 2 & possibly even less steps.
    See an explanation and discussion at wwp: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-118#post-2508338

    The Regional List with the QuickFlag column is only updated once a day at 5am EST. fresh ads are to be found and flagged in the Daily Wip tab.

    68 ads already today, Tampa & Nashville are leading the pack, (see the Daily Wip). Keep checking the Daily Wip for California later this evening every 2nd hours.
    RedX write up : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-117#post-2494321
    RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    For those who do not have much time but would like to send a message to Tony Chen do the QuickFlag in the Regional list TAB of the RedX spreadsheet. (see link above).
    Keep Walking by Pshoudini, enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX & flickred
    by Aegerprimo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16013902967/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Dolly Jones

      I hate this cult… they made my arm and hand hurt 🙁

      • Pierrot

        the QuickFlag should ease the pain a bit, have you tried it?

        • Dolly Jones

          Oh yes, and it does help. 🙂

    • Dolly Jones

      Just as an experiment after I had finished flagging. I took just one ad and kept doing that same one over and over and yet I never got the frog. Hmmmm

      • Pierrot

        The frog is a bit of a mystery, it seems to come when you are using a proxy that is known to be a proxy by CL, and also when one has poor/slow connection and one keep clicking impatiently the prohibited button, or with a slow connection while the page is still not completely loaded.
        What you probably risk if you do it too much is to have your IP blocked (the blockage only last for about 30′ but should you be an habitual over flagger it could be banned for days or weeks or permanently. Also we think that your extra flags are accepted but ignored. No proof, just assumptions and feelings.
        Thank you for testing & reporting.
        We are hoping to see and increase in efficiency and as a result more “flagged for removal”.Let’s see what the week brings.

        • Dolly Jones

          Interesting… thanks for the extra info/thoughts.

    • Juicer77

      More equipment for sale… must be scrounging for cash to buy rice and beans. Just blow, people!!
      http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/tls/4844167131.html

      • aegerprimo

        Why do they have so many vacuum cleaners? Weird.

  • Jgg2012

    Why didn’t Stern ask Kirstie to move an object with her mind, or leave her body, go outside and find out if it was raining?

  • Howard’s calmed his act down since he became Mr. America’s Got Talent – that’s probably why he didn’t get into the Krazy with Kirstie. I should write another article about her at Morton and get some more “feedback” from $cientologists KeepOnLearning and RealBalls. http://www.themortonreport.com/celebrity/hollywood/kirstie-alley-and-the-condition-of-confusion/ – fact is, Kirstie’s sort of the resident krazy klown of TV now, a complete caricature of what she once was. Last ongoing train wreck actress I can remember who was even close was Shelley Winters, but then, Shelley was a GOOD actress.

    • yes, an article would be good; I for one would gladly welcome the lulz

    • Frodis73

      Please do Skip!

  • Vaquera

    These pictures from Tampa break my heart. The thought of these young children are being asked to tattle on their parents makes me ill…Co$ stealing their innocence. The quote below was posted with the little David Contreras’ photo. (refresh)

    At the beginning of the course, our supervisor asked him what he wanted to be when he grew up. And he said, “A chef!” And by the end of today, he doesn’t want to be a chef…he wants to be a supervisor. 🙂

    • Lucille Austero

      ^^This is why.

    • Babies!
      🙁

    • Frodis73

      Heartbreaking!

    • heartbreaking, anger inducing, sickening and as lucille says below ‘this is why’! those poor little babes…..

    • BFM

      Child abuse! This is how the brainwashing starts. They get all cheered on and love bombed for doing this by their parents… probably one of the scarce moments in their young lives they feel any real “affinity” from their parents.

      • Frodis73

        You are so right about that! I bet the only time a sci kid gets any kind of attention is when they accomplish something in scientology. Fucking assholes. I so wish these kids could be rescued…parents, don’t push your bs on your kids…this kid wants to be a chef, but now he wants to make $40 a week at the org. Wake the fuck up.

        • BFM

          It’s sad, kids that age want recognition from the most important persons for them…their parents… and they get betrayed utterly.

    • madame duran

      And now I shall go to bed angry…

  • nottrue

    They never get the years right…… http://youtu.be/DBhGcyqsfM8

  • Sejanus

    I would wager that gold bar that is not the only hard thing Cardone has applied his TongueTech to.

  • is Krustie channeling Xenu in her latest tweet or something….. and that sure looks like Connor Cruise at her ‘intimate’ birthday party with her family

    • Jgg2012

      Yes, she seems to be admitting that she DID cut ties with Remini.
      “Let’s make an agreement …we cut the ties that bind or diminish us & we love the ones who validate & create joy for us with a vengeance”

      “my new motto is love the ones who R real & loyal ..cut the rest loose…& pray for their weary souls”

      She’s praying for Leah’s weary soul. Or is it Shelly’s?

    • yep, that’s definitely him…. here are the latest pics of him and there’s no doubt!

    • Vaquera

      Here he is in NYC 2days ago. (refresh)

      • hmm, makes yoy wonder what he’s doing at Krustie’s birthday party…. guess he must be friends with one of her kids or something

    • Ardent

      Her motto isn’t exactly heartwarming.

    • The Luglis don’t seem like they have weary souls

    • when did scientologists start praying with an ‘a’? they’ve always just preyed….

      • Dolly Jones

        Oh I see what you did there.. ONLY took me three reads to get it…being the great speller that I am… hahahahahaha. What a dope!!!

    • Drat

      Yes, I am so totally over Leah. That’s why I’ve avoided talking about her at every opportunity for more than a year.

    • BFM

      These tweets resonate the radical views by which she is infested. I sincerely doubt If she really had any BT’s. If I were a BT……I’d search all eleventy billion universes for a nicer person to cling on to than Kursty 🙂

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        ME TOO!
        If I was some innocent little R6 implanted Body Thetan and I woke up stuck on this nasty rude crustacean….I would personally personally chew off my own clamshell to get away from that thing.

        • BFM

          Hahaha 🙂 You and I are on the same page, but you said it funnier — LMAO

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Snark is how I pay rent in the bunker. I leave the profound stuff to much brighter bulbs!!!!
            😉

    • Phil McKraken

      What kind of a peevish asshole puts out multiple public messages about dumping friends she doesn’t like anymore? Most civilized people make those moves in private. This must set some kind of record for un-self-awareness.

  • Tony Ortega

    Melbourne pic added to the post

  • ItsIBBy

    Wow I’m offline a few days and come back to the book announcement! So excite! Well done Tony, cant wait!

    Ugh.. Grant Cardone. The man cant help but look like a sleaze..

  • Panopea Abrupta

    “this infinity symbol hangs somewhere in Scientology’s Flag Building (a/k/a “Super Power” Building) in Clearwater, Florida”

    and infinity in $cientology is held by chains.

  • Sejanus

    That infinity symbol hanging in Flag is pretty danged low
    Someone could split their head open on the bloody thing…then sue for personal njuries.

    • anoni81b4u

      I do woodworking for a living, the best I can tell from the picture,it looks like it is made out of thin plywood, probably a product called bendi-ply .. so I doubt it weighs more than a few pounds. It would crack it before it cracked your head.

  • Frodis73

    An old story aobut KA’s organic store opening…great story and funny video showing how pissed off the neighborhood was at her arrival. Lol.
    http://laist.com/2011/03/10/los_feliz_residents_dont_feel_the_c.php#photo-1
    http://telly.com/VHDQH

  • cathy from encino

    Ah, Grant Cardone. When I was selling cars, the managers wanted us to listen to Grant’s audiobooks (narrated by Grant himself). No, my bosses weren’t $cinos, they just thought he was effective at motivating salespeople. Anyway, Grant gave his goals in one of the books, and said he didnt want to make a lot of money for the sake of having loads of money. Noooo, he wanted to make a lot if money so he could “give more to [his] church then anyone else.”

    Going to have to move up in status a lot more to catch those Duggans!

    • Destructor of Worlds
    • Frodis73

      What a dick…and you know they all think he is talking about some type of traditional church, not the chult.

      • cathy from encino

        Exactly. I assumed it was a “real” church he was talking about. But who the heck WANTS to be known for giving more to their church than anyone else? The kind of person who keeps seeing and hearing “Move up in status!” and thinks this is a good idea that needs to be done BIG.

        Most traditional churches just ask you to donate what you think is appropriate, and there’s the Biblical suggestion of tithing. That’s 10%, which the $cienos use in reverse, allowing their victims to *keep* 10%.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          They let them keep 10%?

          Nuh uh?

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            No way, from experience. Lron wrote about saving 10% for yourself, but I tried to tell registrars that, I was dead-ended, it was justified and all the other blah, blah.

  • golden avi for l.wrong 😉
    grant cardone edition

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    1. At least the twats got the infinity symbol right that time.
    2. Grant Cardone couldn’t lift a real gold bar. That thing he is licking is just like him….a thin layer of shiny plating over pot metal.

    • Richard Grant

      They got it sorta right. It’s still got separate, and finite, surfaces. To capture the “ideal” of infinity, the shape should twist on itself so that it consists of one single surface bending around without end.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        True,…this one looks like a riff on the Penrose triangle.
        But I imagine it is about as close as they can get.

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        I knew something was wrong with it, thanks.

      • Peter

        A Mobius band?

  • OT…

    you think i could hire these guys for my nieces bday party soon ?
    looks like kids had a awesome time 😛
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZlSdqZ3RH4

  • BosonStark

    I hope that Kirstie can stick with Jenny so she doesn’t end up like this, having to resort to renting herself out as a human billboard for her religion…
    http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Kkkkzzzz/Kirstie8_zpsc9c75c9f.jpg

    • Destructor of Worlds

      she slim lookin’

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Meanie! Let her enjoy the four weeks it is going to take before she starts attracting new body thetans.

    • BFM

      The only $cio celeb whale that will remain one, even when she gets broke!

    • JennyAtLAX

      “Jenny knows every inch of her!”

      http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/02/acd.01.html

  • ++ Divide by Cardone Error ++
    ++ Cheese Overflow ++
    ..

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      You have a cruel streak.

      • If he could lick his own ear, he would. Other bits too.

        • Stacy

          Ewwww! That’s very Ron Jeremy. Ugh!

          • Oh? I was thinking more of how cats clean themselves when they don’t use TP.

            • Stacy

              Sorry. 😉
              Years of training and education. I think sex first about everything.
              Hhmm, that sounds pretty bad saying it like that…

            • Frodis73

              Lol! You bad girl!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Alright! See ya at the viewing party.

  • Captain Howdy

    Please hold for a HCOB (Howdy Communications Office Bulletin)

    1..2..3..4…

    http://youtu.be/GXCh9OhDiCI

    • Frodis73

      Awesome! Long time since I heard this one.

      • Stacy

        Oh, the memories! 🙂

  • Mark

    Tried and tried to resist the obvious, but couldn’t (refresh from a safe distance):

    • aegerprimo

      Mark, I love the way you think.

      • Mark

        Thank goodness it’s come in useful now—all it used to get me was a telling-off when I was six or seven 😉

        • Stacy

          Did you get sent away from the dinner table for being a smartass?

          • Mark

            Only for not taking my elbows off the table 🙂

            • Stacy

              Lol 😉

    • Captain Howdy

      It’s Alley, Stern and Cardone. It’s “Lowbrow Day” in the bunker.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        My personal favorites!!! snicker.

    • dammit l.wrong 😛
      photobombing fart tables 😛

  • anoni81b4u

    I have posted here today more than I have ever posted, (I was out of work today:) .. anyways .. one more post and I will stop.
    I just scrolled through the page and saw the young lady named Andria, who joined staff (she looks to be about the age of my child). Then in the comments there was the 5 year old girl holding up her LRH comm crap with a drawing of two people looking at each other in the scientology-shit-training-stare-communication-bullshit pose. And An anger came over me that I did not like. I hate to see anyone hurt. But the fact that they prey on the young and the weak just really pisses me off … FUCK SCIENTOLOGY .. god damned bullshit cult..
    now I feel a little better

    • Frodis73

      I am very familiar with that feeling of anger that flows through the body when thinking about or seeing scientology in action! It’s not a good feeling either.

  • Vaquera

    Cardon’t claims the gold brick was the real deal. (refresh)

    • Observer

      Why is he tweeting Miley Cyrus? Recruiting attempt?

      • Frodis73

        I was wondering about that myself…she is money obsessed too, so maybe that is how he caught her eye. Yuck to the both of them.

      • aegerprimo

        That will fly like a wrecking ball.

      • Stacy

        My guess is his wife is too tame for him. He looks like the type of idiot who wants a drugged up drama queen for a mistress.

        • Frodis73

          She’s perfect for him! Ha.

          • Stacy

            They would make the perfect dysfunctional couple.

    • aegerprimo

      He’d be straining a bit more to lift 65 lbs like that. Scientolodouches = lying liars who lie.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Just sayin….

    • 750000? scientology math ?
      or did i drink to many black russians today ?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        “Historical (read hysterical) photo”

  • Suppressive Tomato

    O/T … Some weeks ago I posted asking ex-members for Policy references that could be used to help show a current member that the IAS is off-policy by regging for buildings.

    Others liked my request and so maybe this is of use/interest to some of you.

    I came across this today and it is along the lines of what I’m looking to compile.

    From HCO P 4 April 1972 “ETHICS”

    “Criminal exchange is nothing from the criminal for something from another. Whether theft or threat or fraud is used, the criminal think is to get something without putting out anything. That is obvious.”

    There. LRH called DM a criminal.

    More policy references along these lines greatly appreciated!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      You CI Ser Fac MF! YSCOHB.

      ****Just passing on a message from DM I just received telepathically…and very LOUD…just now.

      • Suppressive Tomato

        Well COB, at least someone’s getting some exchange on Hollywood Blvd, unlike your Elite SO body routers!

  • BFM

    O/T, and sorry if someone has pointed this out already. But just to make sure you catch this. The SA-blog has a very good insider report on the activities of the largest relief force on planet earth: the Volunteer Ministers. Give it a look if you haven’t done it yet.

  • outraged

    In case anyone needs some hilarity, here we have John Revolta’s twin Boof, turned by Xenu into a dog by drinking barley water. When in need of laughter, turn to Michael K. After a long slog thru an 8 hour autocad class this is just what the doctor ordered.

    http://dlisted.com/2015/01/13/hot-slut-of-the-day-528/

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Uncanny….and really frigging funny.

    • aegerprimo

      This is jampacked with FUNNY! My favs… “How does he pronounce the name Idina Menzel? Has he been known to catch a wild beaver, skin it with his teeth and then wear its fur on his head like a lace front?”

    • Suppressive Tomato

      And his name is “Boof” which is a slang term for an intimate activity our precious 1.1 Travolta is said to privately enjoy.

      • aegerprimo

        OOkay! LOOL

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Cardone…on himself…

    • Stacy

      I hope he catches something fatal from whatever bacteria he licked up off that gold bar. Disgusting man. grumble, grumble…

    • Frodis73

      He is a fucking disease. ARGH!! HATE!!!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        One of the few things he has gotten right…like, EVER.

    • NOLAGirl

      After coming home at lunch and seeing the Cardone licking fake gold pic, my hubby brought home a piece of melted copper from the inside of a generator they were working on today. He said the resemblance to Cardone is uncanny. 😀 (F5)

      • i-Betty

        Hur hur 😛 Mr Nola is one of us.

    • madame duran

      Thankfully, the spread of the moronic “disease” is limited within the confines of a petri dish known as Scientology where it can be observed at a distance and not infect the general population. You’re nothing but a lab rat, Grant Cardone, and the future prospects of such don’t look good.

    • i-Betty

      Snort!

  • nottrue

    Looks more like a prison than a church….1/10/2015

  • Tony Ortega

    NEW POST UP

  • aegerprimo

    ………….. (refresh)

  • I can’t believe what a pushover he has become. Hey Kirstie, let me interview you! It won’t go like that one did. Howard, hang up the mic. It’s time.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I used to love Howard.
      His last decade has been a sad waste.

      Maybe it is just me… but I miss ‘Fartman’!

      • Frodis73

        Yeah, Howard is so wimpy! He is not the Howie I loved listening to back in the day. 🙁

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Do you remember him on the tonight show? with his buttcheek Fartman pants. OMG………….SO FUNNY!

          • Frodis73

            Oh yeah! He’s so mild these days…well, to be honest, I don’t listen to him anymore really. When I do, he’s just…different. He was funny at one time though!!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Me too…………..I stopped listening to him a long while back.
              Someone said earlier…that he should have stayed with the original wife.

              I agree.
              It is like when they moved on….he totally lost his sense of humor.

          • Georget1952

            Remember the awards show where Howard flew in on a wire? He kept saying “I am Fartman, I am Fartman over and over and then landed on Eminem’s head? I thought Em was gonna punch Howard’s lights out, the only reason he did not was the cameras all over the place.

  • valshifter

    Krusty is a phony, first she said Hell no I don’t hang out with people in lower levels? and then she said no she didn’t shunt Leah Remini. so what is it then are you cool with all people or you shun them because you OT7? then again just like her master himself so full of contradictions.

    • pluvo

      Well…. she was handling the ‘PR’ with Leah Remini quite badly (LikeTommy Davis and Tom Cruise before). Most likely she subsiquently got sec checked and drilled for PR to answer in the right way or for ‘no answer’ (which is part of the TRs for PR)

      also: “CONFIDENTIAL REPORTER TRS”
      http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/reporter.htm

    • You have to remember something about her – the emotion she’s exhibiting is not the emotion she’s actually feeling. If she’s haughty and insulting, what is she actually feeling? Try the opposite – insecure and hurting – and you have the real Kirstie few people see.

      • Bob

        Very true. Good point.

  • OK, I finally figured out Kirstie’s act. It’s very simple. It’s called “I’m an elephant! Now I’m not an elephant! Now I’m an elephant again! Jenny Jenny Jenny!” Clever, huh? http://www.cnbc.com/id/102322809

  • Lady Squash

    Boy, did Howard Stern wimp out!!! Kirstie didn’t disconnect from Leah? Really! Liars, all liars.

  • Ryan 741

    Stern lost his balls a long time ago.

  • valshifter

    That infinity symbol carved in wood is so ugly, that is how scientology gets you all twisted up.

  • AtariBaby

    Thank you. Didn’t listen to this one, but from the last couple of yawners, I, too, discovered he has become such a lobber of mild softballs, I don’t understand who his audience is any more. But presumably they still eat it up, paying monthly subscription fees. And it’s a shame that almost all interviewers don’t do sufficient research before a controversial interview subject.

  • richelieu jr

    God, in the spirit of the season, I would so love to see that asshat Cardone get his forked tongue permanently stuck to thawt gold bar, A Christmas Story-style…

    Then I’d take him and his botsy thetans for a long walk on a short pier.

  • Rowsdower

    Regarding Howard’s inability to ask the difficult questions, he’s been neutered within the past 4 years. It’s gotten to the point that he’s even had his tapes team erase any derogatory words from the past 6 years of show content. He’s trying to reinvent himself as a politically correct “nice guy”. He would never ask her any hard hitting questions and risk an on-air argument with a guest.

  • Mrs Libnish

    Its’ been a while…

    But that picture with the dude looking into the distance, so proud holding his Bessie flag getting photobombed by a plastic penis and a middle finger, made me laugh so hard. I really want to save this inappropriate picture on my desktop at work.