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SUNDANCE BOUND: HBO’s film about Scientology will debut in Utah on January 25

Going_ClearThe Sundance Film Festival announced today that it has selected Oscar-winning director Alex Gibney’s HBO-produced documentary about Scientology, Going Clear, for its 2015 lineup.

The two-hour movie, based on Lawrence Wright’s 2013 book, Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, & the Prison of Belief, will make its premiere at the festival, screening for the first time at 2:30 pm on Sunday, January 25 in Park City, Utah.

Your proprietor was interviewed for the film and has been invited to the premiere. We are looking forward to what we believe will be a devastating look at the effect Scientology has on its adherents. We can’t say much more about what’s in the movie. Gibney’s production company issued this terse synopsis of the film…

Going Clear intimately profiles eight former members of the Church of Scientology, shining a light on how they attract true believers and the things they do in the name of religion.”

It’s not surprising that the crew is being tight-lipped. HBO is planning for a fierce onslaught from Scientology’s notoriously aggressive legal division. HBO Documentary Films president Sheila Nevins told the Hollywood Reporter the network has 160 lawyers ready to deal with Scientology’s offensive.

Having worked with several documentary teams over the last few years, we have some notion of what HBO is in for. Scientology hasn’t actually sued a news or television organization since its $416 million suit against Time magazine over a 1991 cover story and then a 1995 lawsuit against the Washington Post (both were dismissed). Its method in more recent years is to fire menacing threat letters at a network in the months and weeks before a show airs, trying to find executives who will cave under the prospect of litigation.

If you’ve seen the colorful letters sent to Vanity Fair and CNN by Scientology attorney Jeffrey K. Riffer, you get some idea of the bluster in these letters. They complain that any coverage of the church is inherently bigoted, that sources in an article or program are liars or have outdated information, and they complain that the media won’t cover the real story, which is that Scientology is building new churches around the world. (Scientology leader David Miscavige is putting intense pressure on his shrinking flock to pay for new buildings, but these “Ideal Orgs” simply replace existing facilities and there’s no evidence they’re resulting in an upswing in membership.)

We asked former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder how today’s news will be greeted at church headquarters.

“I think there’s going to be some soiled shorts. This is a very catastrophic and extremely significant event, because the legitimacy of Alex Gibney and HBO are undeniable. And it is a well known fact that Alex Gibney is not just a brilliant filmmaker but you can’t intimidate him.”

If the past is any guide, however, Scientology won’t bother with Gibney but will instead go after HBO executives, or perhaps festival organizers at Sundance.

“They’ll no doubt get letters. But they haven’t stopped anything. Every threat Scientology has made since the days of the BBC specials [John Sweeney’s “Scientology and Me” and “The Secrets of Scientology” in 2007 and 2010] have been empty,” Rinder says. In this case, he thinks it’s what is happening behind the scenes that will be really important.

“This is Scientology’s worst nightmare when it comes to media, and media is a big factor in the world of David Miscavige. His vanity is his greatest weakness. And particularly when he thinks it’s going to make him look bad in the eyes of Tom Cruise or other Hollywood people,” Rinder says.

We asked him if Miscavige will be tempted to enlist Cruise in trying to stop the film.

“Oh, I think he will definitely be tempted to get Tom Cruise involved. And [Cruise’s attorney] Bert Fields, not to write legal letters, but to reach out to friends in influential places. That’s what’s going on right now. They know that legal threat letters are a waste of time. They’ll do what they did in the case of South Park,” Rinder says, referring to a reportedly successful effort by Cruise in 2006 to convince Comedy Central not to rerun the notorious “Trapped in the Closet” episode by threatening the network’s owner, Viacom, that he would withhold PR efforts for the film Mission Impossible III.

“Who’s got a comm line to HBO? Who at CAA [the Creative Artists Agency] has influence with someone at HBO? Those are the questions that are already being asked,” Rinder continues. “I’m sure they already have good intelligence that has told them for some time that this was going to be at Sundance. And they’ve been working on it. Who knows Redford, who knows the head of HBO, Miscavige will be asking.

“It wouldn’t surprise me if they send another delegation like they did to CNN. Ten people went to Atlanta to try and stop Anderson Cooper. They did the same thing to [former Tampa Bay Times journalist] Joe Childs, invited him to the Fort Harrison Hotel and in a room there were ten people at a table, yelling at him about his plans to write a story. That’s probably the same thing that will happen with HBO. They’ll send a bunch of people to convince the HBO executives that Gibney is relying on unreliable sources,” Rinder says.

As for how good this film should be, let’s take a look at what Alex Gibney has done in the past.

Here’s Roger Ebert’s review of Gibney’s 2008 film, Taxi to the Dark Side, which won an Oscar for best documentary, and also won a Peabody Award.

“Alex Gibney’s horrifying documentary ‘Taxi to the Dark Side’ uses the death of [an Iraqi taxi driver named] Dilawar as an entry point into a remorseless indictment of the Bush administration’s unofficially condoned policy of the torture of suspects, which is forbidden by U.S. constitutional and military law and international agreements, but justified under the ‘necessity’ of working the dark side.”

Here’s Kenneth Turan’s review of Gibney’s 2013 documentary, The Armstrong Lie.

“Aside from his hatred of losing, the film posits that Armstrong got so caught up in the mythic drama of his own story — cancer survivor becomes the Superman of cycling — that he couldn’t resist the unexpected comeback that would be the logical next chapter. The whole truth about the complicated, charismatic man may never come out, but ‘The Armstrong Lie’ is closer than we ever thought we’d get.”

Here’s David Edelstein’s review of 2013’s We Steal Secrets: The Story of Wikileaks.

“Gibney has a talent for creating a one-stop shop for anyone who wants to experience the full scope of this ugly, scary story. It’s not just Assange’s colleagues who talk. A few ex-CIA and Defense Department officials appear surprisingly sympathetic to the abstract idea that there are too many secrets. But what to do about that? ‘We Steal Secrets’ is a documentary with the overflowing texture of fiction. It’s ‘The Hacker’s Tragedy’.”

Also, it’s important to point out that the film ‘Going Clear’ will probably result in several waves of publicity that will put Scientology in the media’s focus. There will be a wave of stories around the premiere at Sundance — even though relatively few people will get to see the film — then another wave when the documentary later airs on HBO. (Whether it will have a theater run before that, we don’t know yet.) And then there may be another wave of publicity come contest time more than a year from now.

All we know for sure right now is that Going Clear has a premiere date, and it’s coming up fast.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 8, 2014 at 15:00

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  • Martha Greene

    Maybe a drinking game for when it airs on HBO. The word being…

    • KingofSweden

      “Clear?” (the drinking game should involve clear liquor)

      • Eclipse-girl

        Vodka, or Gin my first guesses as to a clear alcoholic liquid

        • KingofSweden

          or everclear?

          • Eclipse-girl

            That is pure ethanol, right?

            Some of actually want to survive the experience. ; – )

        • Baby

          OHHHHHH please make it Beer..It is clear!

          • ze moo

            Zima is clear, but it is not beer. All beer should have some color.

            • Baby

              Hmmm.. Zima it is.. I’m easy. Coors! I’m there..

            • Eclipse-girl

              ZIMA is really really bad, IMHO. try it before you settle on it for that night.

            • Baby

              ( I’ll drink beer in a clear cup..hahhaha)

            • Eclipse-girl

              I think that counts

        • MaxSpaceman

          Tequila

      • Vaquera

        Everclear

        • Eclipse-girl

          you wants us to die.

          This is a two hour film. Several of us probably wouldn’t make it past 15 minutes.

          (I think you are going to use H2O and no one would ever know)

          • Vaquera

            True, but I was thinking along the lines of the world being Ever Clear of this chult.

    • Nat-lificent

      Can’t be “suppressive” or we’d die of alcohol poisoning

    • BFM

      Maybe a “live-commenting” in the bunker? How about that Mr. Tony O? Oh, and congratulations for contributing to this documentary. I won’t go as far to say that its you who made this documentary possible. But what I feel in my heart comes pretty close. If it were not for you, the crimes of this “religious masquerade” would not have been so much in the picture. We owe you a lot.

    • EnthralledObserver

      I reckon the word ‘allegedly’ is going to get some mileage… haha!

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    “They’ll do what they did in the case of South Park,” Rinder says, referring to a reportedly successful effort by Cruise in 2006 to convince Comedy Central not to rerun the notorious “Trapped in the Closet” episode by threatening the network’s owner, Viacom, that he would withhold PR efforts for the film Mission Impossible III.”

    ha ha….. can you imagine Cruise threatening NOT to do PR for MI5…. considering his last couple of movies tanked it would be career suicide. I hope the studio calls his bluff if he’s stupid enough to actually do this.

    Over a year ago I predicted Cruise would blow the cult to coincide with the the PR talk show circuit pre his MI5 release as his “movie” ego would eventually trump any connections he might still have with the cult. I’m doubling down on that prediction…. and yeah, I know a lot of people disagree with me but it’s almost exactly one year to see if I’m right.

    • pluvo

      Wasn’t he just with his bling-bling medal of valor at the latest IAS event?

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        at some hotel before the event… have yet to see any photos of him actually there or any first hand accounts he was actually at the event (links anyone?).

        as I said, this is just my personal feeling, hence prediction

        • ze moo

          When TC has to pick between his movie career and DM, we’ll see what happens. That crossroads hasn’t been reached yet.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I lIke you Media, but I do not put any stock in that prediction.

    • EnthralledObserver

      You could be right… Derek did say last week sometime that he got in the deepest just before he blew! :) *holds out hope if nothing else*

    • BFM

      I am one of those who think differently, but in this case I hope I am wrong. May your prediction come true tomorrow!

    • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

      …. this is the very latest photo of Suri… I must admit that she does look less and less like her “dad” but this is the first time I’ve noticed a different look to her features

      pic

      • Baby

        Pretty girl..

        • Eclipse-girl

          Like her mother

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I would love to see you proved right, Lush!

  • Mark

    Meanwhile, somewhere soundproof at Int Base… (refresh):

    • KingofSweden

      Methinks some very expensive office furniture is going to suffer a few very expensive dents…

      • Mark

        And a lot of tooth-marks as well…

        • i-Betty

          Miscavige could bore through a solid oak door with those veneers.

          Hello Mark, dearest :)

          • Mark

            Hello Betty. Throat better?

            • i-Betty

              It is better to the point where I sound like a really sexy bloke when I sing 😀

            • Mark

              More like Andy Williams than Tom Jones, I hope! 😉

  • Kim O’Brien

    Tony , if you need a date ..just saying…i’m available

  • Draco

    Night night folks – waaaay past my bedtime! I’ll catch up in the a.m.. Oh wait…it is the a.m. It’s been a fun evening!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Night Draco!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    It occurs to me that in the midst of all this elation, we should take a moment to send a shout out to all those who made this possible– with a special thank you to Project Chanology. January, 2008 was pretty much the start of the modern age of Scientology criticism. Before, anybody who spoke out was at risk for severe reprisals. Today, we can look forward to a major release of a critical documentary at a high profile venue– and there’s NOTHING Miscavige and his minions can do about it.

    Thank you, all who came before us. We stand on your shoulders. (At our own peril, I may add…!)

    • Snuzey

      Just what I was thinking :)

    • Eclipse-girl

      Not True linked to a vid inviting everyone to come to the 7 yr anniversary party of Feb 5 2015

    • pluvo

      I was thinking at them when the post came up.

    • nottrue
    • Bob

      Here, here. Very good point. The list of pioneers is large. They should all get a shout out. It’s a long list.
      And Thanks to Tony for pulling so many people together.

      • shasha40

        Much respect to all … and to TonyO for never sleeping ! :)

        • Bob

          Tony the tireless, tenacious truth sayer.

          • shasha40

            Yeah he is , I don’t know how he does it , but I’m sure glad he does !

            • Bob

              Me too!

    • i-Betty

      Well said, DDD :)

    • BFM

      + 100 DDD! We owr gratitude to some key organizations and individuals. Anonymous comes 1st in groups. And Tony O certainly is in the front row of individuals, right alongside the early whistle blowers and brave journalists.

    • Mike Leopold

      Well said. You speak for many of us in expressing that sentiment.

  • Certaintey

    Utah? Maybe next they show it in Idaho? Must not be ready for prime time!

    • Nat-lificent

      It’s spelled “certainty.” Go fix it now!

      • Observer

        More weak trolling. I’m starting to picture these guys as Scrawny-Arms Rob Lowe from the DirecTV commercials.

        http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=st_GI73-aVE

        • shasha40

          Bol ! Love that commercial ! : D

        • Certaintey
          • i-Betty

            Yes, that’s right, Certaintey. Just like He-Man.

            By the power of Greyskull!

            When you were little and wishing you had a He-Man sword you never suspected for a second you’d end up fighting a third-rate cut’s battles on the internet. Why can’t some of your OTVIIIs do a mystery handshake and banish us to the Van Allen Belt with a swish of their wands?

            Keep up the quality trolling, though. To infinity, aaaaaaaaaaand beyond!

          • Nat-lificent

            Derek said they played that a lot for you guys :)
            It’s nice that you have high self-esteem.
            So, how is your family? Will you get to see them this holiday?

        • Phil McKraken

          It looks like I’m not having any mayonnaise. Love those commercials.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Irrelevant (and at least I spelled it correctly) 😉

      • Eclipse-girl

        I think it is George again, under a different name.

        He can’t help put pee all over himself.

    • Frodis73

      Ha! I love that this is the spin the church is going to put on the movie being at Sundance. If you didn’t get the notice, Sundance is huge in the film community. The fact that it is in UT will not change anybody’s mind. Except for the clams. I can see the headline on “Freedom” already…fake documentary screens in small, po-dunk town in UT–or something along those lines. (sigh) DM & minions are all too predictable.

    • i-Betty

      Hi, Georgie! It beats me why (because my Proprietor has let me down on the ticket front so I’m feeling bitter) but the place will be seething with A-list film stars and celebrities literally elbowing each other out of the way to be pictured attending such a prestigious film festival, even if it were to be held in Paraguay.

      Shall just you and I sit alone in our Cupboard of Bitter Envy and silently seethe while the rest of the world has fun?

      • ze moo

        Climb ye out of the Cupboard of Bitter Envy and despair not. All the tabloids and tabloid TV shows will be covering this story. This story will fill the January doldrums and lift us up to the threshold of vox populi attention.

        All will behold those brave enough attend the documentary and they will ask Tom Cruise and John Travolta’s press agents for comments and will get none. Then TonyO and the apostates will get air time and the public will be informed The clampire will only hide and wait for the publicity to blow over, but it will avail them not.

        For a brief shining moment, all {who watch tabloid TV and gaze idly about at the supermarket checkout} will be informed. And then they’ll forget it, because the clampire is just a bunch Xenu hating tin foil holding nutjobs. There really are more important things to worry about.

        Is there room in the cupboard for me?

        • i-Betty

          Hehe, you’re brilliant 😀 In to my cupboard with you!

    • Jonathan Cummings

      Sundance is the biggest and most prestigious film festival in the USA. I will catch it on HBO though!

    • Eileen

      It’s Sunonymouse! Back with a new name, but still can’t spell. You are the cutest little troll, we will keep you in a cage and get you a troll house and feed you marshmellows (not a typo).

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Wow.

      I never thought of that.

      I never thought of that because it’s completely idiotic.

      But thanks for playing.

  • Sid

    If he wins an Oscar for this film they should ask Tom Cruise to present it.

    • i-Betty

      They should ask Tom Cruise to present it whilst sitting in a giant champagne glass wearing nothing but elbow-length silk gloves.

      • Frodis73

        You know that now I can’t ‘un-see’ that image now. Lol.

        • Dr_Orpheus

          You think that’s bad? I just had a vision of Alley in the same outfit.

          • i-Betty

            Gulp.

            • EnthralledObserver

              See what you started, i-Betty… you should be more careful with your evoking of imagination!

            • i-Betty

              If words could be consumed I’d be eating mine now. I’ve let an appalling cat out of its bag.

          • shasha40

            Yikes ! :0

          • dungeon master

            Need. Special. Internet. Brain. Bleach. Ugh!

            • Nat-lificent

              F5

  • Tracy Schmitz

    1) miscavige will order not ask but ORDER cruise to get a hold of redford being that they worked together on “lions for lambs” (sidenote: can you imagine how pathetic cruise has to be to allow himself to be “ordered” by anyone?! course cruise would think of it in a 360 spin delusional way “well of course david is right, he always is and it’s MY DUTY to do this, the fact that he asked me is just a sidenote, i would do it alone anyway!”….
    2) isn’t it UNBELIEVABLE that any so called religion would do this in the FIRST PLACE! be so utterly full of themselves, vindictive, you name it to sue and sue and harass and harass anyone, anything, any place, any reason.. WHAT OTHER RELIGION OR “so called religion” does this?! i don’t think catholic, baptist, episcopalian, methodist, whoever would mount this kind of “revenge/attack” for anyone, any media product “disparaging” them….

    3) I’M ACTUALLY A HUGE TOM CRUISE FAN! I KEEP ON PRAYING THAT SOMEDAY, SOMETHING WILL WAKE HIM UP!.. perhaps this 1st of 2 films, a 1, 2 punch will finally do it! course will he even see it? of course not! when anyone around him let him see it? of course not? will anyone around him talk to him about it? if they know what’s best for them of course not!……AND LASTLY, DROVE PAST TODAY’S MY CITY’S SCIENTOLOGY BUILDING WHERE I SAW A CHEAP POSTER THAT LOOKED HOME MADE WITH BLACK PAINT LETTERING “FREE PERSONALITY TEST INSIDE!”… i had to laugh so hard and shake my head!!!!

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Actually, documentary films aren’t made overnight and Cruise was probably aware of it when he posed with his medal in preparation to the IAS gala. Let’s consider it a personal favor to David Miscavige, as celebrity influence, who promised to make the rest go right. (Partially might explain Her Royal Governess Nancy Cartwright’s increased presence as well)

      But he didn’t make it go right.

      And tonight, TC may be, should be, discussing exit strategies.

      “I was misled”

      • BFM

        I am afraid Miscavige holds too many cards against TC, and I bet all my money that the Midget will use them to keep Tom in the fold. TC is way in over his head.

    • i-Betty

      Hi Tracy, snap a couple of photos for us the next time you’re passing your local org :)

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The Ideal Orgs have taken to setting up the same tired old folding tables and dry erase boards they used back in the olden days. Guess the Dainty Miss was just funnin’ them when he said the Public would flock into them shiny new buildings…

  • i-Betty

    Heidi has been campaigning for a relaxing of the Freedom of Information Act rules leading up to a Senate ruling this week. She’s just posted this over at SPs (refresh for original post and update):

    I’m pleased for you :)

    • Frodis73

      This is great news if it passes. Wow.

  • Sid

    Because they were unable to stop this film release David Miscavige has assigned OSA staff to do the Cause Resurgence Rundown so that they will be more able to handle the upcoming media frenzy. (F5)

    • Dr_Orpheus

      Is that anything like the Mud Resurgence Rundown that is presently very popular in Hemet?

      • EnthralledObserver

        It probably is – it takes skill and training to stop the ‘mud’ from ‘sticking’. And there is going to be mud slinging for sure in the upcoming doco! *big grin*

      • Sid

        Yes, it’s supervised by Clay Alluvium.

    • flyonthewall

      Miscavige definitely knows he’s a bad machine. Know how he knows? Because he works at the factory that makes the machines!

  • Cosmo Pidgeon
  • EnthralledObserver

    It’s occurred to me suddenly (once again) that I don’t live in the US and therefore this leads me to wonder how I’m going to get to see this doco? *frets*

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Me too :(

    • ze moo

      HBO has a subscription based web site. You will be able to watch it there, or one of us will send you a pirated copy. Being at the Sundance makes it certain to come out on DVD at some point.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Oh I was hoping pirates were SP’s wearing awesome costumes… 😉
        Aaarrrggghhhh… spare a thought for us wog foreigners, matee!

      • madame duran

        Please don’t pirate this film. Much work has gone into it and we should support it any way we can–even financially. I would be willing to purchase a legit DVD copy (when it becomes available). I hope more eyes get to see this film as it makes the film festival circuit. **cough**TorontoInternationalFilmFestivalplease**cough**

    • Ella Raitch

      HBO stuff comes onto Foxtel. Maybe we’ll hear something closer to the time. I had to wait months to watch The Master after everyone hear saw it!

  • Jerseygram

    Awesome news!!!

  • valshifter

    Any move scientology do from now on will be unwanted attention on themselves.
    How embarrassing, I bet they will have Sea Org protesters with signs at the premiere, shouting idiocies from scripts from Policy letters, because they have no brain left to come up with complete phrase of their own, and I assume there will be plenty of media coverage, they will be surprised at the circus that scientology will come up with and will be an all eyes on them event, I would not be surprised if TC and Kristy Alley are not there personally supporting their peers and shoving and pushing cameras out of the way because they want to scream idiocies but they do not want to be filmed.

    • BFM

      I hope they try to pull that Nazi-uniform strategy back in the day in Germany — that will make them look really silly.

  • stillgrace2

    I can’t wait to see this documentary. I thought “The Armstrong Lie” was excellent!

    Do we know which eight people were profiled? (Apologies if this has been discussed, I’ve been studying all day and am leaving in an hour to take a final. I won’t be able to sift through 646 comments until later.)

    • i-Betty

      Hi Grace! We don’t know, but there have been some exciting guesses further down :)

    • Eclipse-girl

      ST2,
      I highly recommend Mis Maxima Culpa.
      It was a very powerful film.

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Good luck :):):)

  • Certaintey

    Why don’t they release it at Burning Man? Same kind of scene…. middle of no where.

    • Observer

      You keep telling yourself that.

    • stillgrace2

      Yeah! What Observer said! (F5)

    • EnthralledObserver

      *wry smile*

      • BFM

        who has that troll picture.. Oh Nat. yeah… Nat please troll pic needed :)

        • The Dude

          Troll Pic up.
          F5

          • BFM

            Hahaha kuwl :)

          • Axton

            Is it a troll, or OSA?

            • Nat-lificent

              What’s the diff?

        • Nat-lificent

          F5

          • BFM

            Hahahah, thank youuuuu :) It’s hilarious.

          • L. C. Spencer

            [F5]

    • i-Betty

      Take my hand and dance with me, Certaintey.

      http://youtu.be/Qx15Z9OSilY

      • Jo

        That’s creepy, soundtrack reminds me of Mortal Kombat.

    • The Dude

      Need some word clearing on that name, Bubba.

    • Nat-lificent

      “Nowhere” is one word, Love.

  • Sidney18511

    I hope that when the sclioons are pissing and moaning about this documentary that someone will ask them WHY doesn’t the COS make THEIR OWN doc, touting the wonders and benefits of scientology?

    They own several studios. They have actors, OTs and clears. So, why don’t they get their little talented butts moving and enlighten the world?

    Because. Their. A. Scam. Hahaha

    • BFM

      Jup, I would like to see some demonstrations of OT powaahzz :).

    • L. C. Spencer

      They DID. You can choose not to watch it, of course. It would be stupid, but you could do it.

  • Chocolate Velvet

    Well, I am of course very happy to see this documentary was actually made, and will have such an internationally respected platform for the premiere. That is fantastic.

    Lawrence Wright’s book is an excellent dissection of the cult known as scientology, and why it would be an object of concern for those outside of its membership. I hope the film makes the most of that. He was subtle about it, but I thought it was smart of Mr Wright to discuss the anti-government element of the cult. Operation Snow White was just one manifestation of this. Scientology has always found it expedient of infiltrate, corrupt, and undermine government authority when they can. Ron even took to the high seas to find a place where his word would be law, never superseded by any civic or military authority.

    This was Hubbard’s vision for the planet — a world ruled by the law of scientology “ethics”, as he defined them. And he never suggested it should be about winning over the masses to his way of thinking, but rather to make sure that by the time anyone questioned the legality of what they did, they would already be the law. I have often said, if it was another religion amassing vast sums of money and recruiting the rich and influential, with an avowed scriptural imperative to overthrow the rule of law and supplant it with their practices, the entire works would have been seized by DHS or some such authority a long time ago. What is it about scientology, that our federal government is willing to look away from them and their many problematic practices?

    • Tracy Schmitz

      it’s called (why the i.r.s. or the government law officials and authorities don’t do anything about this cult): blackmail and pay offs mixed with incompetence, indifference, lack of character and bigger fish to fry so to speak… (good post by the way chocolate velvet!)….

  • deanblair

    The announcement of this documentary based on Lawrence Wright’s book is surely cause for some celebration with a much larger celebration occurring after it’s release. This should be pretty devastating for the cult. Miscavige in his anticipation of all of this must be going out of his mind.

    • MaxSpaceman

      going out of his mind as far as 3 feet in back o’ his head

  • scottmercer

    I would suggest everyone reading this write personally composed and signed letters directly to the executives at HBO and the higherups at the Sundance Film Festival supporting them in creating and giving this documentary the space to be seen by a wider public.

    • Frodis73

      That’s not a bad idea. I bet DM has folks on a mission to send fake letters of boycott in. Our letters/emails of support would beat his number of letters by a long shot.

  • BFM

    Lol, some troll activity in the bunker today. Makes me chuckle. OSA you sorry asses, and Davey boy…. there isn’t a damn thing you can do about this! Suck it up will ya?!

    • The Dude

      Why do they even bother….. Do they think it annoys us? Where is Espi when you need him? He would put him in place. But the new potty-mouth rule would not leave him with much to work with.

      • BFM

        Espi…. euhm… didn’t even survive the pre-potty rule era, but I miss him too :(

        • The Dude

          I know…. I reckon he would have most of his comments “Lost in moderation”.

          • BFM

            And THAT would set him off even more…. sigh. I for one, always liked his contributions and very often he was on the edge but IMO, that’s what freedom is all about. Words don’t break families, toxic cults like sci DO.

            • Sandy

              Plus, he is so freaking brilliant – all those historical tidbits just off the top of his head. Amazing guy.

            • BFM

              +1

            • The Dude

              Who is this George guy they are referring to as the troll?

            • BFM

              The troll of course :)

            • The Dude

              Is that the old “Cat Daddy” guy?

            • BFM

              No I don’t think so… CD was actually one of the good guys. But he had a tendency of derailing the topic with ad hoc stuff.

            • Eclipse-girl

              CD would often show up with random music vids.

              He is definitely ANTI – scientology

            • Eclipse-girl

              Its much further down.
              Maybe in the first hour of commenting.

              The ladies had fun with him

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Ahem.

              I was poking at him, too.

              I’m a dude.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Yes, I know you were having your fun.
              I was admiring the dance the i – Betty, Lucille and others were having with the person.

              I offer you my humble apologies.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Now that you mention it, the ladies were having fun with him. I should just take comments as they stand and not read into them…

            • Jo

              Is it George? I haven’t read all the comments, gonna hug him, pet him and squeeze him?

            • Eclipse-girl

              George Hyland did pop in.

            • Jo

              Different George, oops.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am sorry for using the wrong name.

              I do remember a george who was trying to troll.
              I need a drink

              Will edit to correct my post

            • Jo

              Now I’m confused, I’m just gonna call all trolls, George :)

            • Qbird

              eggs-actly.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I can live with that.

            • Eileen

              Sunonymouse was here, called self certaintey. So cute, go hug him!

            • MaxSpaceman

              Espi- one of the smartest peeps anywhere. Flat out brilliant.
              Only The Proprietor reached a limit with commenting style and shut down the postings.

            • Sandy

              I know … *sigh*

            • shasha40

              Amen ! He could be as little brisk , but this is a messed up subject …

      • Unex Skcus

        Have to resort to acronyms, like, um… umm…oh yeh, CICS, YSCOHB

  • FromPolandWithLove

    It is great to see You here :)

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    I just bought two nice Christmas presents.

    • Eclipse-girl

      You got two tickets.
      So cool.
      Have a nice time.

  • FollowTheMoney

    Given that Co$ trots out the same old tired press release when confronted with more SP entheta, any one of us could provide their response to this doco when it premieres. I propose a Bunker Challenge – As Karen Pouw is probably in the Hole, I say we help Co$ out a little bit by writing their press release/denial for them right now. Let’s see who can write the best and most accurate Co$ press release! Vote by upvoting, and when the doco comes out we can actually tick off which of us has actually included the most elements that Co$ has included in theirs.

    Here’s my contribution:

    With the release of Alex Gibney’s HBO documentary, the Church of Scientology has yet again become the victim of intolerable abuse and harassment at the hands of anti-religious zealots, psychiatry and Big Pharma!! Alex Gibney is a third rate film maker who isn’t talented enough to make a living in feature films. He is merely parroting tired old lcliches by a hack writer who was fed lies by a small group of bitter apostates raking a living through the degenerate fringes of the internet. These apostates were EXPELLED from the Church for serious misconduct. Why do you people keep listening to them!!! When, oh when will journalists tell the REAL story of scientology? Scientology does more for humankind that any other organisation that has ever been in existence. People are flocking to the Church in HUUUGE numbers which keep expanding year after year. Someone becomes a scientologist somewhere in the galaxy every seven seconds. We keep opening up Churches for God’s sake, what’s wrong with you people?!!!! It is not surprising that HBO has supported this scurrilous, muck raking and inaccurate portrayal of the best religion on the planet given their perverse sexual predilections. They are willing to air programs which romanticise incest, what is with that?!!!. The Church of Scientology wouldn’t be surprised if the entire board of HBO were pedophiles. This program is to be condemned in the strongest terms possible. Mr David Miscavige, the Pope of Scientology, will be raising this issue with the lesser Roman Catholic pope, Fancy, Francey, who knows, but our holy one will be making sure that all religions will band together to combat the growth of religious bigotry in the secular media. I hope something awful happens to anyone who watches this rubbish.
    Karen Pouw

    • Axton

      Great stuff, FTM!

    • BFM

      Brilliant! You are hired! 😉

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      COB knows he can always count on Karin Pouw to take the fight to the Psychs when needed. Trained, tough, and fully hatted in Scientology PR techniques, Ms. Pouw will terminatedly handle this HBO flap!

      Go get ’em Karin!

      http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/scienowriter/CrazyLady_zps36c26889.jpg

      • Frodis73

        Is this really her? I have never seen a pic of her. If so, she’s got the crazy eyes look…even if she wasn’t bugging them out.

        • Unex Skcus

          I think this is a snap of her at 2pm, last Thursday?

        • beauty for ashes

          it ‘s not, that damn ot8 guy fooled me last time too. :) its some internet meme of crazy lady. (it was later explained to me i think by j.swift)
          it would be perfect if it was !

          • Phil McKraken

            Right. Isn’t she that slightly unbalanced woman from one of those wife swap shows who came back to her family in an absolute meltdown about how she had just come from Satan’s personal torture chamber? Her children are at the same time trying to calm her down and also in terror of their mother’s ravings. Let me put it this way — she makes Jenny@LAX look like Eleanor Roosevelt at her stateliest

            Fun stuff.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              “I’ll take the money for the win!” laugh! this is absolutely equal parts fall down hilarious and sad! those kids are doomed! and the husband? “um, and what attracted you to this woman to marry her and have kids with? i forget the answer!”… beauty, brains, personality, which one was it again?!

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
        • http://gravatar.com/ngraham1 N. Graham

          From Wikipedia: (refresh)

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            The one above is too close for comfort, I’d say. Poor thing.

    • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

      ROFL! Watch the insane crook order some dimwitted henchman to cut-and-past exactly this and order it sent to HBO and Sundance and everyone else. The IQ of the common criminal, after all. :)

    • Ella Raitch

      Well done FTM, although I must say I cojld actually understand what you wrote – can you bear to sentences that are ‘imparseable’

    • http://gravatar.com/ngraham1 N. Graham

      HBO used to be the trendsetter among its peers, airing
      programs and documentaries that set the pace. Now they have reverted their
      course and decided to follow the sensationalistic route that is the last refuge
      of the untalented journalist.

      And what better target is there than one of the few giants
      left on the planet who might possibly lead us out of the quagmire the world is
      in? The ecclesiastic leader of the world’s fastest growing religion,
      Scientology! While it’s true that every great religion faced persecution in its
      early years, including of course, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, why has HBO
      suddenly decided they are akin to the Roman government that persecuted the
      Christians? Is this the kind of network you want to pay ten or twenty dollars
      extra per month for just so it can trash your freedom of religion?

      Think about it the next time you write out that check to
      your carrier-do you want to promote terrorism? Do you want HBO to govern what
      you watch and what you can’t? These are the questions every red-blooded American
      needs to ask themselves! Is this what our forefathers fought and died for? If you watch HBO, and especially their hatchet job on Scientology, the world’s most ethical religion, then you are not
      part of the solution, YOU are part of the problem!

      Karin Pouw

      • FollowTheMoney

        Niiiiiice! Love the terrorism tie-in – very topical!

  • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

    Your proprietor was interviewed for the film and has been invited to the premiere.

    Is there a PayPal account where we can send a few bucks for drugs, alcohol, prostitutes, all the usual SP stuff?!

    • Eclipse-girl

      I would send money for Tony O and His companion to have scotch on me.

      • i-Betty

        Aww thanks, E-Girl! You really shouldn’t, but I’ll let you. Do you mind if I bypass the scotch and have a large glass of Chablis instead?

        • Eclipse-girl

          D***, you are so sure that Tony O will take you.

          You better have a beautiful dress for that red carpet.
          Yes, I will buy you a nice dry white wine.

          • i-Betty

            Thank you :)

            (But secretly I’d rather have a strong coffee. I just didn’t want to appear uncool at my first Sundance.)

            So, yes, drugs. Many drugs. With many names. Have them delivered to my trailer.

            • Eclipse-girl

              ’cause Drugs are so cool and looking stoned on the Red carpet is so hip.

              Are you sure you aren’t channeling Jaden Smith?

            • i-Betty

              Hehe 😀

      • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

        Bless those kilted bastards! Yes, single malt. :)

    • BFM

      I thought those things were more the “COB” stuff :)

  • Yan117

    It would be awesome to see that movie in theater. What’s the weather like in Utah in January?

    • flexible

      23 below zero. lol

      • Yan117

        Slightly warmer than where I am then. I’m making reservations right now.

        • flexible

          Oh.. you must be in Canada.. like Saskatchewan….or Alberta….or Norway.. or Moose Jaw……etc lol

          • Yan117

            I admit being from Canada but I won’t say which province. I don’t want OSA to zero in on me.

            • The Dude

              Hockey fan?

            • Yan117

              Mixed martial arts fan first and foremost but yeah, big hockey fan too.

            • The Dude

              I have a cousin that competes in Karate. She teaches but competes in weapons demos. no real fighting.

            • Stacy

              How does anyone grow up in Canada without having hockey as their #1 sport? I only grew up as a neighbor of Canada (Michigan) and was indoctrinated into the mighty Red Wings fandom as just a wee lass. I still miss my Red Wings.

            • The Dude

              I spent a summer north of Quebec in the sticks. All they talked about on the radio was Hockey. And how The Bruins are dirty players. I had a good laugh over that!

            • Eclipse-girl

              Isn’t that the point of professional hockey?

              I am a fan of college hockey. UW Madison had been excellent with their women’s team and their men’s team has been great at various times

            • The Dude

              That Women’s team rocks!

            • Eclipse-girl

              Minnesota is d***med good, too.
              We usually trade the titles.
              the east coast has to catch up to us.

              I thought both Minnesota and Wisconsin women made up much of the US Women’s hockey team at Sochi.

            • Chee Chalker

              Badger hockey!

            • Eclipse-girl

              Chee i never knew you might be a badger fan or perhaps a cheese head.

            • Chee Chalker

              Not a cheesehead, but a neighbor to the south (Chicago). We do spend some quality summer time in northern Wisconsin every year though (Tomahawk area)…..I love it there, so peaceful. I did date a guy many years ago who was a Madison grad and a Badger Hockey fanatic, so that is still the first thing that comes to mind whenever I hear Madison…… Badger hockey!
              The one and only hockey team of importance are the Blackhawks of course!!!

            • Eclipse-girl

              Aw, once Hockey become professional I do not care.

              I think Hockey should be finesse on skates which I DO NOT have.

              Someday. when I am back in Chicago – with or without Mr E – everyone in the area and I should get together – possibly outside of downtown. I owe Espi a diet Pepsi. And I would love to meet people in person.

              Mr E would feel a bit left out, though.

            • Chee Chalker

              That would be great if we could all meet up someday! I would suggest we go and protest at the Chicago Ideal Morgue since the Co$ bought it in 2008 (or 09). Its a big old building in the south loop area (downtown) but, wait….surprise surprise… Its vacant! Shocker I know.
              Plus, being in Chicago, we have the added bonus of being the hometown of Louis Farrakhan. I can drive you by his mansion…..its actually in the same neighborhood as Obama’s house. But no one is allowed to drive by Obama’s house. Gotta talk to Secret Service first! Maybe Espi can help with that …..in the spirit of Ms. Tia, I am writing a sing to the tune of Justin Timberlake’s ‘I’m bringing s%&y back’. It’s ‘I’m bringing Espi back’

            • Vaquera

              My best friend’s son is playing against UW Madison men’s hockey this Friday. It’s an exhibition game for UW, but should be a good one.

            • Eclipse-girl

              If it is televised, I will watch it.

            • Vaquera

              UW will be playing the USANTDP: USA National Team Development Program). Two of their players are committed to UW for 2015: Kunin, a forward, and their top goalie (a great kid), Luke Opilka.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I will watch it if I can.
              Playing good collegiate level teams will be great for the development team.

            • Yan117

              It happens when your hockey team is sold and moved to another city only to win the cup the very next season.

              That’s how.

            • Stacy

              Ah, that explains it.

              I’m punished by hockey too. I live in Florida now. The Red Wings play Tampa here maybe once a season, if that, if I’m lucky. I miss my Red Wings.

            • Vaquera

              Connor McDavid. Just sayin’.

      • Eclipse-girl

        That is normal for us in the frozen tundra.
        Sandy would be quite used to it, too

        • Sandy

          And, we have GB on the tube tonight.

          • Sandy

            .

          • Eclipse-girl

            GB just got a TD, too

    • The Dude

      I’m no weatherman but I would say COLD with a chance of SNOW!

  • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

    Those mud slides out at Gold Base — is that really mud, or has it just been David soiling his Underoos frequently of late?

    • shasha40

      Good one ! I bet he is pooping his pants right about now . Tick , Tock , Mr. Miscabbage !!!

      • Stacy

        Yeah, he must be running through his Tom Cruise Underoos 2 or 3 a day right now.

        I love it.

        • shasha40

          Christmas is early ! :)

        • Frodis73

          Stacy, you still here?

          • Stacy

            Right now I am

          • Stacy

            I’ll keep checking for the next twenty minutes, ok?

            • Frodis73

              Cool. Meant to do this yesterday & I forgot. When ever you have time (totally not a rush) to send some of that info about sex offenders, etc, you can reach me at gmail. I set it up with the same screen name is use for discuss.

            • Stacy

              Frodis73@gmail.com?

              Fabulous. I’m going to use my school email, so will appreciate you keeping it to yourself.

    • BFM

      Whahahaha

    • Unex Skcus

      Septic overflow, I believe.

  • Narapoid

    If the Scinolebrities don’t put some distance between themselves and the cult before this Guhlaxy of Entheta (thanks OTVIIIisgr8!) documentary hits, they will be lucky to get booked on “Hollywood Squares”.

    • Frodis73

      Snickersnort! Couldn’t happen to a more deserving group of people imo. There is no way they are that clueless.

      • shasha40

        Yes way ,but you knew that already ! Carry on …

    • Nat-lificent

      F5

      • The Dude

        Awesome! Paul Lynde, center square! I love you Nat! You are the best! SOOOOOO funny!

      • Narapoid

        Thank You Nat-ilificent! Freakin’ perfect! “Paul Lynde for the block. Paul, What’s worse than being in a room full of lawyers? (rolls his eyes around him) Being on a stage full of liars. (laughs nervously) No, no I would say having a body full of space ghosts.”

        Bless you Nat-ilificent, I’ll work on better captions for that sucker!

        • Nat-lificent

          You’re very welcome :)

      • Baby

        OH MY GOB! bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahhahaha I just love you..

  • NotTony

    .

    • Eclipse-girl

      John won’t leave unless Kelly P goes with him
      Ella Blue is an older teen, by now,
      Benjamin is still young. John won’t leave unless he can also have access to his son.

  • Richard Grant

    Oy, are you guys having a party or something?

    I heard whooping and hollering all over the internet tonight. And it seemed to have this like deep, boomy, underground sort of sound to it.

    Anyway, keep it down, yeah? I’m trying to watch a sensitive nature show about the inner life of squirrels.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Them squirrels is DEEP. They have an innate understanding of science and tology and stuff.

      • FromPolandWithLove

        And their favourite habitat is on fringes of internet.

        • Richard Grant

          Shhh!! You’ve spoiled the ending.

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          Dey lives in dreys.

      • Mark

        ‘Tain’t a “tology” it’s an “ology”. You get an “ology”, you’re a scientist!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK5-2fPyCjA

    • The Dude

      Sorry Dad….. I will turn down the amplifier.:)

      • Richard Grant

        And get a job.

        • The Dude

          Yes Sir……… :(

          • Eclipse-girl

            He didn’t say that you needed a hair cut.
            He can’t be your dad

            • The Dude

              He’s just waiting for me to go to sleep…… Caught him the other day sneaking around with a pair of clippers. Yikes!

          • shasha40

            Ooh , you got in trouble . See what happens hanging around all these SP’s !!! : D

    • Artoo45

      Yeah, we’re all boots and cats up in here . . . http://youtu.be/Nni0rTLg5B8

      • Frodis73

        Adorable!
        eta: I want a Bee-cat!

      • The Dude

        Outstanding! You realize I will never be able to get this out of my head. I must infect others……

      • Ella Raitch

        I’m trying not to lose it at work here (beefy-bison lololololol…………)

  • DMSTCC

    Psst, hey OSA, buy up all the tickets and boycott the festival in hopes for low attendance. That way I can get in for either free or minimal price while they still make their money from you.

    • Nat-lificent

      Better yet, have the Duggans, the Cardones and “Elaine” show up to confront and shatter the thing to the ground. Heh-heh.

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        Perhaps Heber is up for one last “Yoooooouuuuuuu!” speech?

        • Eclipse-girl

          Can you help me understand that?

          I have seen / heard clips of Heber but they were from the mid 90s.

          I know may Exes think Heber was a great person.
          From what I have seen I do not have any respect for the man.
          I am sorry that that he (or anyone) has spent years in The Hole.

          • The Dude

            Didn’t he(Heber) grow up in another cult?

            • Eclipse-girl

              He has a bunch of siblings and half siblings, if they are still alive.
              He grew up as a Fundamentalist Latter Day Saint.
              They were the Mormons who separated when plural marriage was taken away so that Utah could become a state.

            • The Dude

              Right.
              Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
              So to speak.

            • Dale A.

              This blogowner has done a lot of work collecting photographs and clippings about the FLDS. http://politicsrusprinciple.tumblr.com/ At one point she stated that Heber Jensche had abandoned the FLDS for Scientology. She seemed to have some knowledge of Scientology, stating that Jensche was in “some sort of Scientology prison somewhere” (Quote not exact.)

              Here’s another one: http://mormonhair.tumblr.com/ This blogowner has collected voluminous pictures of “Mormon hair” and makes hilarious commentary.

          • Frodis73

            I do feel bad that he’s in the Hole and he’s so old, etc. I’m with you though-he was a nasty man who has done xenu only knows what in the name of the church.

            • BFM

              Euhm,…. what I can tell you from own experience with the man is that he was genuinely a gentile and warm person. Just caught in the wrong cause, ended up lying and cheating the sheeple for the Midget. Not a single person high up in Scientology’s org board has clean hands. But by comparison, I think Heber’s was one with the cleaner ones. Norman Starkey for example was an A-hole most of the time.

            • Dylan

              I used to eat lunch with Heber a few times a week. circa 89. He was a jolly guy. Liked his toast. I always remember him smiling. I also worked with Norman. I bet he was a nice guy in the 60’s. maybe even into the 70’s. I always liked him but also know he had sold his soul long ago. thanks for the post BFM.

            • BFM

              You’re welcome. My period at the HGB was a bit later in time. And yes, that’s how I remember Heber, always cheerful, inspirational and didn’t have that pompous self-importance. He’d always make time for a little chat. At that time I met Norman a couple of times in ASI. He wasn’t so nice anymore.

            • Dylan

              I had to hand route my weekly reports through Norman when he was in ASI. He would get it from all sides. I don’t think he slept more then a few minutes a week. when I was on his lines it seemed like he ages 7 years to everyone of our years.

            • BFM

              Yep, that absolutely played a role, I am convinced of that! But Heber was put under the same amount of sleep deprivation and stress to handle stuff. But quite frankly I never ever saw Heber loose his cool towards one of the other staff/junior SO’s. I saw Norman screaming and shouting quite a bit. Same was in CLO EU with Walter Kotric, before the GAT thing he was really nice and all that, but after that I witnessed him physically assaulting several of his aides… sigh…. what good people can turn into, in the name of “religion”.

            • Dylan

              how true. people do the strangest things in the name of faith.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I hope either you or BFM or others will elaborate on the dichotomy that is witnessed by us never ins when we watch or listen to old tapes of Heber.

              Whenever the man was challenged about scientology by another speaker, he just spoke or shouted over the other person so that the no one could hear what the critic was saying.
              I realize it is effective in keeping the public from what the critic was saying but it comes across very poorly in these old recordings.

            • Artoo45

              I hear you EG. Heber seemed awful from his public appearances in his heyday. That said, let’s not forget that the man was doing his job and playing the role written for him by his cult training. Rinder, who is earning my respect, more each day, was a piece of work back in the day. Marty, who did all manner of dirty deeds in Hubb’s name is also making headway against his cult training. Who knows? Maybe even Tommy Davis isn’t so bad in person. . . . . . okay, I went too far with that, but you get the picture.

            • The Dude

              Ok. Now I’m angry. Real ANGRY!

            • Artoo45

              Right here!!!! Right now!!!!!!

            • Stacy

              But this is exactly the approach LRH trained them to take. Correct? He literally couldn’t approach such scenarios in any other way without getting into trouble.

              It’s a shame since everyone says Heber was so nice. Maybe he could be nice again if can escape before death.

            • Frodis73

              It’s even more sad to hear what a nice guy he was…just more proof it rots your brain.

            • BFM

              You’ve nailed it. It rots the brain. Even the most kindest and loving ones — there are NO exceptions (I know, a bold statement, but a personal observed truth).

            • Missionary Kid

              I believe you meant gentle, not gentile. 😉

            • BFM

              Bad typo, thanks! Fixed!

          • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

            http://www.lermanet.com/audio/HerberJentszchFamousRant.htm

            He was fanatical towards enemies of Scientology, but it seemed to be an honest fanaticism, if you will. He escaped prison in Spain, but spent years in The Hole and other punishments, and yet still believes. If his door was left unlocked at night, he’d probably write up a KR on it. I doubt he’ll ever escape the prison in his head.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I wondered about that. How deeply Heber had drunk of the Kool aid?

              It is always sad to see anyone lose their critical thinking skills.

            • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

              “Let the punishment fit the crime”. Sadly.

        • FollowTheMoney

          That speech is a classic!

      • Captain Howdy

        Have Kirstie jump on stage naked yelling “We have nothing to hide you bigots!”

        • BFM

          Oh gawd… where can I get mental image bleach.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Mark keeps a supply of Eye Bleach available.

            • BFM

              Could use a little splash of the in my face. I can’t stand a fully clothed Kursty…. let alone a naky one.. yukki…:/

            • Eclipse-girl

              Mark is in the UK. It is probably past his bed time.

              You can try what some young ones do –
              Use Vodka as an eye wash.
              I know it sounds stupid to me, too.

            • BFM

              Oh so its Kursty nude in my eye, or the possibility of temporarily loosing my eyesight? No brainer! Where is my vodka bottle :)

            • Eclipse-girl

              You made the correct choice

            • BFM

              Pity the person choosing option 1. lol :)

            • The Dude

              I think Steve Tyler did the same thing.

        • Artoo45

          Why do I suddenly have the urge to draw that?

          • Nat-lificent

            Because you have a sickness 😉

          • madame duran

            That image of a naked Kirstie makes me have the urge to forcibly draw up digested contents from my stomach.

            • The Dude

              Love the pic Madame.

            • Missionary Kid

              That was my exact reaction.

      • Observer

        Elena needs to wear her super-theta Ozma of Oz headgear that makes her hair poof up oddly and her ears stick through. Seriously, it looks like she got that at Walmart.

        • Frodis73

          You know the sad thing? She probably paid a few hundred bucks for that ugly thing because it’s made by some high end designer. She’s way into that scene from what I can tell. Blah, no thanks. Very ulgy & does look like it came from wal mart.

        • The Dude
        • Stacy

          It’s really not that difficult to learn how to wear a headband. Yet this woman screwed it up. Impressive.

        • Ella Raitch

          If I ever wanted to create an on-screen personality called ‘Clueless’ ^^^ this would be my avatar.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            How about “Janus Cardone?”

            (refresh!)

  • HappypantsDance

    So very happy about this doc! $cientology has finally met its match in arrogance but is completely out of its league in terms of power. (Of course that should have been the case with the IRS…sigh.) Anyhow, just when I was thinking of cancelling HBO, the news hit about this doc. I’m already stockpiling popcorn.

    • Dale A.

      Maybe, after the showing, those people who accosted Rathbun in the airport will elbow their way on stage, and harangue Alex Gibney with the idea that nobody cares about him, and he should do something with his life.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Security at such events is discreet.
        I would laugh at such at attempt.
        It would make it to youtube And all of us would require a great deal of popcorn.

        It is possible that may try and dominate the Q & A period. But that means spending money on tickets,if they are available.

        • shasha40

          What a lovely bunch of footbullets that would be !!! :). Who’d be asking the questions ? Tommy Davis , Karin Pouw ? Who will it be ???

          • BFM

            I SO hope Jenny will be given that honor :) hahaha.

      • HappypantsDance

        We can only hope; their previous efforts have been so effective….

        Scientology: where if something doesn’t work, do more of it!

    • Chee Chalker

      HBO has some good series as of late….’Getting On’ is excellent, plus Game of Thrones, Real Detective, Extras, Veep etc etc. Worth the $$ in my opinion

      • HappypantsDance

        Oh, I agree! I love all those series. (Well, burned out on GoT, though I acknowledge it’s awesome in many ways.) The cancellation was just for money saving, really. I’m behind on so many series that their arrival on Netflix is about when I get to them anyway.

        • Chee Chalker

          If Netflix had been around when I was a kid, I never would have gone beyond the 6th grade! Its gotten to the point that the only way I can watch a series is by marathon viewing…. Case in point, American Horror Story Coven just came out on Netflix and I just spent two days watching it…. No more cliffhangers!

          • HappypantsDance

            LOL, I know! Making matters worse is that I marathon series I’ve already seen and love but don’t have on DVD. Thanks so much for mentioning that AHS Coven is available now! Ooooh! There goes this weekend…:)

  • Mike Leopold

    “The things they do in the name of Religion.” Such an apt and diplomatic way of describing the dark and profound dangers of Scientology, beyond the “smiley face” it presents to an uninformed public. 2015 is almost upon us, and promises to be a very good year indeed.

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      Should be: “The things they do in the claim of Religion.”

      • The Dude

        Religion? My lilly-white Irish butt, Religion!

        • Jo

          Dude, are you from Ireland?

          • The Dude

            Boston Mass. Almost all of my ancestors came from there. It is just an expression that we have here. I am trying to keep my comments out of moderation

            • Jo

              No Scientology here in Ireland, country clear. Well maybe there’s one or two stragglers.

            • The Dude

              St. Patrick ran them out with the rest of the snakes, I reckon.

            • Jo

              I think they have 5 or so staff member’s above a hairdressers. None in Northern Ireland.

            • The Dude

              Good to know that Ireland won’t put up with any of their shenanigans. Not like The Scots. We have all seen the “Fearless Leader” in the funnies

            • Jo

              I’m sure Scotland hasn’t heard or seen of Scientology too. It’s a small door with a small sign, blink and you would miss it.

            • The Dude

              It looks small from the pics they show. I can’t help but love that guy though. He looks just like my Uncle Mick. Just Mick had less hair and more girth. I miss him.

            • Jo

              He reminds me of Father Jack from Father Ted.

            • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

              Here’s a newsletter from their Fearless Leader, John G, that Tony posted here a few weeks ago in the Sunday Funnies:

              http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Newsletter161-e1414843215121.jpg

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am kind of partial to the ones where the two women from Flag come to assist the people in Scotland.

            • The Dude

              Yes!

            • Stacy

              If you can use such a polite term like “assist” for what the Sea Org b*tches were up to.

              Fearless leader was practically frothing at the mouth.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I knew I liked you. Thanks for the laughter.

            • Stacy

              Anytime, Eclipse, anytime.

              I should warn you though, my humor tends to be hit or miss. There’s no telling which.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Because humor and sarcasm in the written form is so difficult it is why I try to stay away from it.

              Then I come across as a school marm.

            • Stacy

              Nothing wrong with school marms.

            • Eclipse-girl

              You are far too kind.

            • Stacy

              Possibly, but most likely we are just our own worst critics.

            • Baby

              You? Hey you are my buddy.. I laugh at so many of your posts E.. You are the sweet side of the Bunker..

            • Eclipse-girl

              You know me too well

              I try to be earnest and thoughtful.
              It is hard for me to do snark , yet there are times I wish I could

              I find people like J Swift, Bury and many others (Baby, you have a great deal of attitude to you) important with what they can convey in their writing.

            • Baby

              It takes a Village E.. and we need earnest and thoughtful to balance out snark.. and attitude..

              ( Baby does have an attitude and I have talked to her about that, but she just blows smoke in my eyes..jeeze..ha) And we are all a part of something that is bigger than all of us..

              We are all pieces of the puzzle E..

            • Jo

              Edinburgh Castle pic as their ideal org. lol.

            • Missionary Kid

              Hey! You insulted snakes! 😉

    • Eclipse-girl

      religion should not be used to hide or defend criminal behavior

      • BFM

        But then again, scientology isn’t a religion. Its a business with a religious angle * hint hint IRS*!

    • BFM

      Oh yeah…. 2015, with so many more strings to our bow….. I’m quite sure some will hit bull’s-eye.

      • The Dude

        Straight to the mark.(No pun intended)

  • Margaret

    I go to Sundance every year and the festival screens docs that criticize the MORMON CHURCH… in UTAH. Scientology is small potatoes.

    • Unex Skcus

      Scientology is small toxic potatoes… there, fixed that for you. :)

  • Ruby

    You’ve heard of Ocean’s 11, the Dirty Dozen…these people will be the “Explosive 8”. :)
    This is great news.

  • Observer

    You know what I really hope is in this documentary? A reasonably detailed look at how Scientology blackmailed the IRS into giving it a tax exemption, and how Scientology has done nothing but abuse it since day one. Not excruciatingly detailed, but enough to embarrass the government and give it the shove it needs to revoke it. What a travesty.

    • Unex Skcus

      If only!

    • The Dude

      Hear, hear!

    • FollowTheMoney

      Yes, this is exactly what a documentary needs to tackle. The generosity of the American people is really being abused by scientology. The zeitgeist is ready for something like this to occur given the ongoing financial straits that many nations find themselves in. If an organisation doesn’t engage in any charitable endeavours, it shouldn’t receive tax relief.

      • Frodis73

        Plus by not providing medical to the SO, they are using the ER constantly in place of a regular dr. The money/tax angle is definitely worth looking at in depth. Not only do they take advantage of their own people, they are taking advantage & exploiting the American (and other countries) govt.

        • Stacy

          I’m guessing scientology doesn’t pay the ER bill when a Sea Org member is taken there, even if the injury or problem is CoS’s fault? They leave the poor Sea Ogres to pay (not pay) these bills, don’t they?

          • Baby

            Welfare..

      • The Dude

        What about the “touch assists ” in trauma zones?

    • BFM

      I am afraid the details of that operation will remain under the hat for some time to come.

      • Eclipse-girl

        i – Betty gave us news of our member Heidi today.
        The Senate has loosened the rules of the FOIA and it may allow people to examine the documents about the that decision back in 1993.
        Depending on what can be uncovered, people may be able to persuade the IRS to revisit the decision.

        • Unex Skcus

          ^ Now THAT would be truly enturbulating

        • BFM

          Great news! Hope J. swift will pull those for bunker examination. I’d love to see some of those dox.

        • Ella Raitch

          As early as 2018

      • Observer

        There are exes who know the details.

        • BFM

          Bits and pieces as far as I know. To make a complete puzzle the investigation documents of the IRS itself as well as the ones of OSA ops would have to be available to construct a clear picture. From what I get is that to this day, its the Midget who is the only one who has full knowledge of how that deal went down. I believe Marty also knows a little more than he has shared thus far…… but some stuff is probably illegal and incriminating for him (but that’s speculation on my part — an educated one, but nevertheless speculation)

          • Observer

            According to this, and it’s a trustworthy source, the formerly secret agreement between the IRS and Scientology was leaked in 1997, and there are a lot of docs to be had online. Marty Rathbun was instrumental in the whole thing. He knows far more than bits and pieces.

            http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/essays/irs.html

            • BFM

              I agree that Marty was instrumental (I have studied on these docs before). I just hope some day (if it hasn’t been shredded yet, we get to see the full dox of the the OSA ops). Also, why the upper bosses of the IRS didn’t intervene afterwards to revoke the tax-exempt status, while it was so clear that that assignment was wrong.

            • Observer

              Me too! That dirty laundry badly needs airing.

            • BFM

              The disinfectant of truth (for a change). The IRS should come clean too.

          • http://gravatar.com/ngraham1 N. Graham

            Great idea Observer! A separate, IRS vs. Scientology film would be great-not real long, maybe an hour. I don’t see how it could do anything but heat up the waters for both Scio and the IRS!

        • beauty for ashes

          its a shame denise (larry) brennan is not around for it, but i believe she left everything she knew behind.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      And a great way to maybe embarrass/shame the current IRS folks into taking some serious action.

    • Ella Raitch

      That is the one!

  • Captain Howdy

    I think they should call it Game of Clones. That way a bunch of people will turn it on thinking it has something to do with GoT

    • Sherbet

      Scientology: Game of Cojones.

    • Unex Skcus

      Ha-ha! Or Game of Drones?

      • Captain Howdy

        That was my other choice.

    • Observer

      Game of Floof Goofers … oh, wait …

  • KNMF

    Bring it on, cult of scientology. Standing up to you is a badge of honor for The Sundance Film Festival and everybody else. In a greyish world all who investigate Scientology can agree that it is black and rotten at its core.
    There is no positive avenue for the cult to take in response to a well researched, highly publicized HBO documentary. The least damaging would be for them to try and completely ignore it, and then ignore the translations into other languages, and it’s eternal existence. Die in a fishbowl. The documentary will be waiting for them when they pick up a new body, and they’ll need to ignore it again..

    • Eclipse-girl

      and when as Scientology ever acted in such a manner.
      Isn’t is doctrine to attack, always attack?

      • KNMF

        Maybe the remaining staple of the doctrine has more to do with not engaging in public, level-headed discussion about their conduct and the charges levied against them. Absolutely no answers to simple questions. Everything else is probably decided based on the whim of a midget and his legal crew.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Mr Shorty is not rational and I will never expect the rational decision from him

    • Unex Skcus

      LALALALALA

    • Missionary Kid

      Your lips to Xenu’s ear.

  • Frodis73

    Does anybody here remember who it was that hinted something big was coming for the church in 2015? I want to say it was Marty, but I am not sure. Anyway, maybe that means that person is in the documentary.

    • Observer

      Karen has, and Shelly from South Africa, I think, the one whose sister has the Duggan child, and IIRC a couple of other exes came out of lurkdom to say the same thing.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Marty, yes. One of the few comprehensible things on his blog.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I always think I am the only who can’t figure out what was being stated.

        Is this something scientology caused?

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Ha! Kind of like thinking you are the only one not getting WINS or OT abilities.

          • Eclipse-girl

            As much as I have been vulnerable and could have been preyed upon, I have usually asked questions.

            I do think that aspect of my personality would have caused problems if I had ever been sucked in by the cult.

            I credit my parents and my education for wanting to see the evidence.

            • Frodis73

              Who, what, when, where & why baby!

            • Eclipse-girl

              and I am NOT a journalist.

        • Frodis73

          It’s not just you! Every time I think I know what he’s saying, the next sentence has me scratching me head!
          It probably is caused by scientology…or we could be just like the church and just make it up & insist that it is the cause.

          • Eclipse-girl

            I have often thought of that con game – creating a religion. Something benevolent that actually would help people.

            I just do not have the stomach for it.

            I do NOT want people fawning all over me. I want to read in bed and get up and walk around in my jammies (they are Dr Who jams). I want to stay up late if my insomnia gets to me. I like doing puzzles and do not want to be disturbed when engrossed in a Hard killer soduko.

            I do not want to con people.

            • Frodis73

              Yes, I enjoy my privacy too much! It’s scary to see how easy it could be. I have joked about it in the past. My luck, some elderly lady eating cat feed will send me her SSI or something. I couldn’t sleep at night knowing I’m hurting those who are the most vulnerable.
              Now, if we could figure out a way to target folks like the Cardones and/or the Duggan’s–I’m all in!

            • Eclipse-girl

              Absolutely. Those people are twisted and need to be educated about their vileness.

              The old lady and cat food – I would shovel her sidewalk when it snows and try to deliver a bag of groceries every week.

            • Baby

              cat feed, huh? ha

            • Stacy

              Eclipse, I dig your style. A lot. And choice in word puzzles. Though I like the mega soduko.

          • Stacy

            I always thought is was hard to wade through Marty’s blog because of the woo. Lots of woo.

            Maybe now that he’s disenchanted if he starts up on the blog again, it’ll actually make sense to us never-ins.

        • Phil McKraken

          I think it’s the other way around. He’s a spiritual seeker personality type, which is probably what got him interested in Scn in the first place. He’s a very clear speaker, but his writings meander in to incomprehensibility.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Phil, I think you lost me.

            I can read a good deal of technical joargon – after all definitions are agreed upon in science jounals

            I am a person – an atheist – who thinks spirituality is an incredibly personal thing.
            Similar to Sagan and deGrasse Tyson – I am in awe of the universe. I find my spirituality that way. I know am very lucky to be here – let alone with all the technology that we have access to .

            • Phil McKraken

              I certainly didn’t mean it as a criticism or judgment of spiritual seeker types. I’ve just observed, anecdotally, that a large portion of Scientologists who joined as adults happen to be either spiritual or self-improvement seekers, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence.

              Marty has been writing a lot about his vigorous investigations of philosophy, which is fine too, though it’s not my bag. Nor is it necessarily coherent to me. Be that my fault or his, I can’t say.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Phil,
              I did not take that as a criticism – not in the least.
              I just can not put my head around what Marty is trying to say.

              I agree that many people who were preyed up on wanted to find something more , and to improve this world. My personal thought is they were sold something that doesn’t exist.

              I am one of those people who doesn’t read a lot of philosophy because I know I exist NOW/. There may be multi – universes and that is a great concept for physicists to think about but it is not a part of my life.

              I am dumb. I may not be cut out to be a phiosopher

            • http://scicrit.wordpress.com Once_Born

              I’m on record here as predicting that Marty’s ‘big thing’ will be his launch of his own ‘reformed’ version of Scientology – which will have the various similar fringe ideas that he has been exploring in recent years mixed in.

              At least, this is how I have interpreted that very obscure post.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I hope not.
              I would like his child to grow up without being exposed to even a reformed version of scientology.

            • http://scicrit.wordpress.com Once_Born

              Me too – but that’s the way I read his post.

              Also, he has been uncharacteristically inactive online of late – suggesting that, whatever his ‘big thing’ is, he is personally spending a lot of time on the project.

          • The Dude

            Remind you of a Hubbtard we all know?

  • Marc Headley

    I can tell you from my visit to the Int Base today, they are acting pretty nuts right now. Imagine Marty at the airport with 7 people and three cameras… It was amaze-balls!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Got any footage of your own? We ALL want to see amaze-balls.

      • Marc Headley

        Yep. If all goes well you might see some of it.

        • ScientologyDoesNotExist

          yes!!!!!

        • Nat-lificent

          All go well. All go well. All go well. All go well. All go well. All go well. All go well. All go well. All go well. All go well. All go well. All go well. All go well. All go well. All go well. All go well.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          You rock!

          • Eclipse-girl

            The whole gosh darn family rocks.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Speak the truth you do.

        • The Dude

          Marc. I loved the book. You two are like Rock Stars to us! Don’t stop. And Thank You.

        • Ella Raitch

          Aaah, one of those SPs that keeps on giving….

    • Unex Skcus

      C’mon Marc, spill the rice and beans, we want the whole enchilada! Sounds like a hoot…

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      I so crave details of amaze-balls.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I’m really very glad you added the words “details of” in that sentence.

    • Ruby

      Apparently nobody cares about you either, Marc.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Ruby,
        the correct phrase has a swear word in it

        Nobody gives a f$#k about you.

        Lets give the Short One credit where credit is due.
        similar to YSCOHB now NGAFAY will become our acronym

        I want to see whatever video Marc has

        • Ruby

          You are totally right, Eclipsegal. :)

        • beauty for ashes

          +YSCOHBO! i think marc is being a tease!

          • Eclipse-girl

            That one is ours, not Shorty’s

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ve added “Short One” to the DM’s nicknames list. Thank you.

    • Ella Raitch

      Muddy amaze-balls?

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Was it still flooded? Did they let you in? We need to know!

    • http://scicrit.wordpress.com Once_Born

      If ever a place needed a drone flyover Int Base is it.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Three cameras, seven people? Did they also hold up kryptonite?

  • John P.

    I’m a little late to get into the discussion, but I think it worth pointing out a couple things about the cult’s response.

    In the case of War of the Worlds, it’s understandable that the studio caved; at that point, domestic box office for movies was doing well and the stars had a lot more power than today, especially for Cruise to affect a tentpole movie with a big budget.

    On the other hand, things have changed a lot in the last decade and I don’t think a threat like that would be all that effective. First, because domestic grosses seem to be coming down, stars have less power than they used to. Studios are trying to find almost-as-good stars who will charge a lot less than the big names of the past. If you can get a guy like Jeremy Renner for an action movie instead of George Clooney or Tom Cruise, you can save $10 million or more, and then you can also save money on the rest of the cast. Cutting the budget by $40 or $50 million by using A- list stars instead of A+ list stars reduces the risk of a movie dramatically. So Cruise’s threat to sabotage a current project for reasons unrelated to the business are more likely to damage his prospects than in the past, particularly if the reasons for his refusal to support his movie are made known.

    At the very least, any studio familiar with the War of the Worlds incident might put a condition in any of Cruise’s future contracts that grant a clawback provision to either recover a sizable portion of salary or that cut points for failure to support the movie after principal photography wraps. It’s very easy to see that this could become a standard contract condition for everyone, not just for Cruise, if he pulls something like it again.

    A recent discussion with a major Hollywood insider reminded me that Rick Nicita, who was a decades-long agent at the top of CAA, and who did major behind the scenes work for Cruise and Scientology, was pushed out a few years back. Nicita is a Scientologist — he is or was married to Paula Wagner, another Scientologist and Cruise’s former producing partner. Wagner herself hasn’t done much in the last few years. I think that if you go down the line of people with serious clout who aided and abetted the cult in Hollywood in years past, most are either retired or are not as powerful as they were.

    Finally, the other reason that attempts to exert quiet pressure on HBO are less likely to bear fruit than before has to do with the rise of social media. While the Internet was well established in 2005, when War of the Worlds came out, Facebook was still in its relative infancy, as was Twitter and many other now-ubiquitous sites. The ability to defuse situations with snark via breaking Facebook posts or Twitter had not yet become established.

    The tone of civic discourse has changed with social media. News that Cruise is being a dick and refusing to do his job professionally, coming on top of the already toxic Scientology brand name, will no longer be a blind item in the gossip column of Variety or other sparsely-read trade journal. Instead, it will circle the globe in minutes and be picked up by thousands of scoop-hungry bloggers and general news publications. Tens of millions of Cruise’s customers will read about the cult trying to pull the strings, not tens of thousands as in the old days.

    The potential for blowback when trying to exert pressure of this sort just a decade after it was successful with shutting down the South Park episode is immense. I’d think that discovery of any cult machinations is a virtual certainty and a social media firestorm is extremely likely. And that’s not just because Tony is on the scene and is especially well connected with the people who are getting harassed… There are just so many other outlets as well. One spark and this turns into a major flap, perhaps on the order of the TomKat divorce.

    Better for Miscavige to shut up and ignore the HBO publication, though you know he’s incapable of doing so.

    • Nat-lificent

      “Better for Miscavige to shut up and ignore the HBO publication, though you know he’s incapable of doing so.”
      Spot on.

    • BFM

      Yep, Miscavige just can’t help himself but to open that big trap of his causing more foot bullets. Not that we mind :)

    • Sid

      Clauses to add to Tom’s movie contract:

      A ‘no Scientology tent on the studio lot’ might be a start. Then a ‘no crazy talk in interviews’ clause.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Let’s hope Cruise or someone else tries to disrupt the premier or general release. The blowback will be grand.

      • Missionary Kid

        As I’ve posted further down thread, the Streisand Effect will take place.

    • Bob

      Excellent observations, I’m just wondering about your last line. The best that Davey Smartmouthavige could do is keep his mouth shut. I think he will do that. Anyone want to wager on it? It’s a bet I’d like to lose.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I will take you up.
        The wager is the next scilon trophy to appear on Ebay.
        It must be won by the loser of this bet and ideally given to Tony O.

        If there is any retaliation from scientology – be it in letters, or protests – I win. 😉

        • Bob

          Whoa! Good prize but probably beyond my budget range. If it’s under $100 I am in. Tony deserves more. I don’t think he wants an IAS trophy though. I’d rather give him a custom plaque or award from us all. How does that sound?

          • Eclipse-girl

            I agree with you that Tony O did not want that stuff around.

            It would have been good to keep it from the chult.
            How about we buy each other a drink? ( I drink a strong drink) Or buy Tony O a drink, no matter who wins or loses?

            The next time a trophy like that appears – I will be very willing to go fof it.
            I would like it it to go to someone like Tony O or some else who protests regularly so it can be slat rubbed into the wound.

            • Bob

              Cool. I think Tony gets his reward by being the great journalist he is. Sometimes though it’s nice to show it physically. You have a lot of good ideas. I think this is a case where it’s a win, win situation.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I would never ever want to mess with a fellow occupant of what I consider a sacred space.

              It is a win – win situation.

              Now where do you live ,? hic;- )

              (GW just won. I have been imbibing)

            • Bob

              GW?

            • Eclipse-girl

              D**m – I told you I was imbibing. I meant Green Bay

            • Bob

              Ok, got it.

      • Missionary Kid

        Davey Smartmouthavige is now added to the DM nicknames list. Thank you. He now has 1375 of them.

        • Bob

          Yeah! Captain Dave has the highest ever nicknames in the whole gal-laxy. Go Davey!

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      I have a CAA Plus membership, but they’re not very prompt when my car needs a boost.

    • Ella Raitch

      Paula Wagner is a Scientologist? Is that general knowledge?

      • Sneering Cyril

        She has denied it in interviews in the past. I didn’t know she was married to one.

    • Draco

      “Better for Miscavige to shut up and ignore the HBO publication, though you know he’s incapable of doing so.”
      We are counting on him being incapable of doing so!
      And totally agree with what you say here. If TC tries to pull anything, he will become much less desirable as a star in the future – in fact new contracts tying him to a project to the bitter end could usher in a new era for all “Super Stars”. It shall be named “The Cruise Contract” :)

    • Tracy Schmitz

      i had no idea that nicita and wagner were (are?) scientologists… oh lordy no wonder cruise is in so deep!… must have been interesting ( to say the very least!) the dynamic between nicita, wagner and miscavige versus pat kingsley for years!…

    • richelieu jr

      As usual cogently reasoned and argued, John P, but if I may (and I may not be able to– I am typing with a very broken hand, 3 hours after surgery, so please,near with me!), ther ea re coupleof,other eleme,ts that maybe worth considering:

      Whilst it is true that there is a bi g lookout to replace our aging (and hilaciously expensive- and now over-paid) action-stars, there is less pressure to lower overall budgets than you might think. The real victim in the new global film market is neither the huge blockbuster (more and bigger than ever — Gotta try and keep home cinema and the Net at bay for a bit longer!), nor the tiny ‘indies’ or foreign films– What has disappeared are the 30-40 million dollar films, the rom-coms, middlebrow, potboilers, films, art films, etc. The mid-market movie that was Holywood’s real bread and butter for decades…

      The budgets for blockbusters are not dipping into this range with the help of Jeremy Renner et Co., they are going the other way — it is just the money is being spent elsewhere when possible, and when the picture is spectacle, rather than Star-, driven. Cruise is weakened less by the economy than by his increasijg age, increasingly biarre;public behaviour and imagge,a nd the fact that he has alienated frie,ds and major power-brokers across the town- Think little,names like,Spielberg,and Summer Redstone, Tom and Mrs Hanks, etc…

      Th es econd issue is that, in spite of the hordesof MBAs infesting the studios and pushing ‘self-back-:patting technology into anew State of the Artl-, Hollywood continues to function disfunctionally, from a rational economic standpoint. Great, even r du culous rsks are still taken on gut feelings only, and there is no way to guarantee,the success or failire of a given f ilm,or show. The only way that has ever even roughy worked is star-power, and many studios and producers are loathe to give it up, for the fun if nothing less– though these stars tend to act almost as mucky talismans, like big-breasted babes blowing on some gazillionaire’s dice in the global Vegas…

      It is this sort of environment that Scientology has been able to play with– superstitious more than rational, chickenspit to a fault, and always worried that their muck will run out and they will be revealed for the naked little frauds they are, that deep inside they know they don’t deserve their success.

      It is difficult to apply a context of market rationality to this snake pit of art, commerce, treachery, glamour, drugs, secrets, blackmail, betrayal, ambition, lies, publicity sex as power, childhood dreams, etc… Ther eis a reason someone like,Kenneth Anger was able,tofrighten the Rolling Stojes o ut of their wits a,nd publish Hollywood Secretswith impunity–Don’t knwo know he can walk through walls, man? Black Magic?

      They may doubt it, but why take the risk.

      So sneaky little slimeball, dime-bag gangsters like Charles Manson and DavidMiscavge can float in on a clous of hooey and wreak havok even as the majority of people know the are full of–what was I saying again? Oh yes, Spit!

      People disguise naked self interest as altruism, and political power-plays as Moral Stances for Freedom of Religion there every single day… It is likea hu lid foot in a fancy but stinky sneaker jsut waiting to step in,Scientology’s trail of Ahtlete’s Foot (Simply translate ‘Athlete’ as either ‘Fat Billious Blowhard’ and ‘Foot ‘ for ‘Sebaceous Cyst’, or ‘Five-foot Lifted Midget with Anger Issues” and then “SCOHB’ for whatever you like.

  • madame duran

    Has anyone checked Kirstie Alley’s tweets since today’s HUGE breaking news? I ventured over out of curiosity and discovered that my account was BLOCKED! The nerve of that woman! Where’s the fearless confront?

    I haven’t been on Twitter in ages and have only ever posted about 2 “challenging” replies to Kirstie (over a year ago; I wasn’t banned immediately). I’m guessing it’s a recent decision and that, perhaps, someone made note of my Kirstie jokes here then linked it to my account/previous tweets (a personal OSA profile? Ooooh…). The strange thing is that I’m able to see her latest tweets when I do a search of her name. I thought that wasn’t possible. *scratches head*

    Anyway, Kirstie says “You know those days when you thought you looked hot in no makeup …. Then you saw the photos ?” My reaction was, “The shock must be an everyday occurrence for her”. Seriously, it must be.

    • Observer

      Could she be any more oblivious?

      F5

      • Eclipse-girl

        She is describing Ronnie Fat Boy, right?

        • Observer

          Whether she thinks so or not.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ve added Ronnie Fat Boy to the LRH nicknames list. Thank you.

    • Jenstnick

      Well shoot, I better go check twitter.

      • Jenstnick

        Oh wait, not blocked. Yet.

  • Volunteer SP

    As noted on ESMB, HBO just happens to be a subsidiary of Time Warner who CoS sued for over 400 Million after publication of the epic Scientology: Cult of Greed spread in Time Magazine.

    Paybacks a b****. Can I say that?

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?37688-HBO-Prepping-Bombshell-Scientology-Film-From-Oscar-Winner&p=986061&viewfull=1#post986061

  • Frodis73
    • Eclipse-girl

      ML noticed some other source earlier.
      The Daily Mail also had an article.
      If Bella is growing outside of the chult then good for her.
      It is very hard to be the child of a celebrity with no education to fall back on.

    • Draco

      Good news – I am glad she is working at an honest trade.

    • Missionary Kid

      Question for TC: If $cientology is such a great thing, why haven’t your children joined the sea org?

      • Tracy Schmitz

        well that’s because father cruise would NEVER EVER push his beliefs onto his children.. oh sure over the years a little “my own personal opinion” has seeped into their upbringing but NO my children have their own path to enlightenment and i respect that”… YOU KNOW darn well that cruise better ever ever hope there is not a “daddy dearest” book coming out when his young adult kids get older… cruise i’m sure whether he’s actually a good father or not had to know the 1st day he adopted connor and bella that he BETTER BE the perfect father everyday unless he gets the comeuppance someday in print from those 2!

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m guessing that he probably doesn’t want his kids to join the sea org, and, because of his status, $cientology won’t push it, because if they join, then blow, there will be hell to pay from a PR standpoint.

  • The Dude

    Off topic. This one is for Miss Tia. I am not one for poetry I am more of a man of prose. But, my Son(7) came up to me and told me he wrote a Haiku. And I thought it was so cool I wanted to share it. I don’t know if it is a true Haiku, but I thought of Tia afterwards.
    Anyway..

    Autumn. By The Little Dude. Age 7:

    A crisp breezy night.
    Red, yellow, orange leaves fall.
    Going to a pumpkin patch

    • Baby

      Awww.. Little Dude.. That is so cute..Thank you! Perfect!

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      Your Little Dude has the right idea. The syllable count isn’t quite right, but his use of seasonal imagery is spot on, in my book. Lovely poem.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Thommy Davies, cherch spokesmouth, with his assistant Jessica Feshbach and 4 High-powered A-list Attorneys, strode into the offices of The New Yorker one day back when.

    Lawrence Wright: “They came with these legal binders and they stretched out 7 linear feet. These were responses to our 971 queries. I couldn’t believe it! I was so full of joy.”

    During a break, the editor of The New Yorker, David Remnick, came up to Wright and said, Well, you know what you’ve got here, you schmuck – you’ve got a book !”

    Wright responded, “Yeah, David- I know. Ha!”

    And now- an HBO Documentary, debuting at the world renowned, global press covered, Sundance Film Festival.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Mr Wright described the joy felt at being given the 7 linear feet of binders.

      I think he was to polite to the term Schadenfreude

      i wonder how much of that material Alex Gibney has used.

    • Nat-lificent

      “Doh!”

  • ShoopZ

    For some reason today’s story made me think of this. (refresh for image)

    .

  • Certaintey

    Well obviously Tom Cruise won’t go up to some festival in Utah for B(-) -level actors (he’s A++).

    Plus they are even trying to get him up there by choosing a measly documentary rather than a real movie. Good luck! There’s way more Celebrite stuff in Hollywood, for a lot less expense.

    • Eclipse-girl

      George has returned.
      If i – Betty or Lucille or anyone wants to dance with this person, go ahead.
      Otherwise take him for the distraction that he his

      • Certaintey

        Whose “George?”

        • Nat-lificent

          Do you mean “Who is George?” or “Who’s George?” George?

        • kemist

          Our George, the pantless criminally insane robot.

          • Certaintey

            Like on the Simpsons stuff?

          • Eclipse-girl

            He doesn’t know Bender.

            • kemist

              But he must know Roberto.

              They almost make as much sense, though I think Roberto has slightly more contact with reality. When he’s not trying to stab people.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I have not watched the newest episodes. Now you have given me something to look forward to.

      • KingofSweden

        S/he’s probably just some poor clam trying to to work its way out of “lower conditions.” Take the proper (momentary) pity on it and ignore…

        • Eclipse-girl

          King,
          I do my best to ignore.
          If I can’t ignore I will try to educate or encourage the person to reconnect with their family.

          I meant it as a warning to those who did engage. ; – )

    • Sherbet

      That’s odd — Cruise has attended that festival in the past. Strange. I guess it wasn’t so B- until 2015.

      • Certaintey

        Maybe if he was a Star in a Major Movie that year of course

        • Sherbet

          He’s made movies this year. Aren’t they being screened at Sundance, or were the movies just not quite Sundance caliber?

        • Vaquera

          That makes sense. So, I’ll trust you in that he has no “Major Movie” coming out during the upcoming year.

          • Sherbet

            (Certaintey just walked right into that, didn’t s/he, Vaquera?)

            • Vaquera

              With certainty.

        • Nat-lificent

          In American English, a more natural way to state what you are trying to say would be “Maybe if he was starring in a major film that year” or “Of course, if he was in a big movie that year.”

          Try one of those next time.

          Also, I see that you are having difficulty with English verb conjugation (which is why you are relying on the static “was a star” instead of the dynamic and more precise verb form “starring”).

          Use this website to practice http://conjugator.reverso.net/conjugation-english-verb-star.html

          Good luck.

          • Certaintey

            Your like a soup nazi for wording

            • Nat-lificent

              Do you mean You’re like the Soup Nazi of grammar? or Grammar Nazi? because names like that don’t actually hurt my feelings :)

            • kemist

              That’s Grammar Nazi.

              You never heard of Grammar Nazis ? You must be new on them internetz thingamajig.

              Perhaps you should take some time to read the rules.

            • Stacy

              Add to that: possibly pass another few grades of school.

            • Certaintey

              I think I know the gradients better that most

            • Stacy

              Oops! You need to word clear “grade.”

            • Stacy

              Ok, I just stopped feeling helpful. I’m going to go find Miss Tia’s Christmas carol and then I really am going to sleep this time.

              Night Bunker-mates.

            • Nat-lificent
            • Graham

              Soup Nazi. As in: “He tried to warm his gazpacho but he was stopped by the soup Nazis.”

        • Stacy

          Still not doing a good job with this. Want that advice?

      • Sherbet

        Of course, I made that up. I have no idea if TC ever went to Sundance. I just felt like playing a little troll hockey, that’s all. She shoots. She scores.

        • Vaquera

          Light that lamp!

        • Ella Raitch

          The closest I got in a google search on tom cruise and sundance was a story from 2009 in which it was stated that John Travolta and Tom Cruise wanted to star in a remake of Butch Cassidya dn the Sundance Kid. Now that sounds like trolling.

    • Nat-lificent

      Your life — thinking about it makes me . . .
      http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9g654498E1ry10fwo1_500.gif

    • MaxSpaceman

      Global top film festivals:

      1. Cannes
      2. Sundance Film Festival (Park City, U.S.)

      “Still the United States’ most important film festival, Sundance is the cradle of the American indie movement… an important place to do business and even its detractors would not dare miss it. The festival continues to showcase the most anticipated titles in new American filmed entertainment.”

      You sound uncertain, certaintey. Twerp.

      • Certaintey

        #2 = second rate, obviously

        • MaxSpaceman

          “the United States’ most important film festival”

          # 1 in America: doofus.

        • kemist

          I guess study dreck isn’t worth much for either math or geography.

        • Bob

          Is this guy attempting to dis you or Sundance. He must know a lot about the industry.
          I think you do not do justice to your name Certainee!

          • Missionary Kid

            The hubris of $cientologists is best demonstrated by their certainty that they are right. This troll’s typical $cientology intellectual powers are clearly demonstrated by their inability to spell or write with proper grammar.

            • Bob

              These clam trolls get so worked up when the do their attacks they lose what little composure they may have. They become silly. Poor little clamtrolls.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m adding clamtrolls to a list, somewhere, probably my list of nicknames of $cientologists. Good word.

        • http://gravatar.com/ngraham1 N. Graham

          Is your name spelled wrong on purpose? Did you mean “Certainty”? Just curious.

        • Robert Eckert

          Warren Buffett is the 2nd richest man in the US (after Bill Gates). Must be poor, obviously.

    • The Dude

      Ah! A masochist. Have you come back for more abuse?

      • Nat-lificent

        I wonder how long since he/she has slept. Do you think if we sing him/her lullabies they’ll fall asleep?

        • Eclipse-girl

          What about Miss Tia’s version of “Evil Sci?”

        • Vaquera

          Maybe several shifts of adherents share the same misspelled screen account.

          Wait, I forgot that they don’t necessarily work in shifts, but rather work one long, long shift day in and day out. It must be terribly stressful and, in the end, an unfulfilling job. Life is too beautiful to spend it as a slave to CoS.

    • Nat-lificent

      “Celebrity” not “celebrite.” Are you French? I thought you were slavic for some reason.

    • Captain Howdy

      And you get a F for trolling
      FLUNK! Please try again, numbnuts.

      • Nat-lificent

        No. Please stop trying, Numbnuts. You are too pathetic and weak. No fun to pick on at all!

        • Certaintey

          Agreed

          • Nat-lificent

            ??

            • Certaintey

              What you said to C. Howdy

            • Stacy

              Who in your family have you disconnected from? Wouldn’t it be wonderful to talk to them again? To be able to talk to anyone you want to, whether they disagree with you or not. Please come out into the sunshine. Blow, and come have a completely different, wonderful life. Help will be given.

            • Nat-lificent

              That was a dramatic aside. You are as clueless about literary conceits as you are about grammar. And in need of way too much remediation for my taste. I’ll leave the rest of your education to one of the more patient teachers.

            • Certaintey

              Y’allz too sensi

            • Nat-lificent
            • Missionary Kid

              I would add, “Lose and loose.”

            • http://scicrit.wordpress.com Once_Born

              Also: loath / loathe and principal / principle.

            • Nat-lificent

              Dessert/desert

            • Vaquera

              It’s common knowledge that LRH stressed the importance of his dictionary. Glad to see you’ve branched out to employ the Urban Dictionary. Bravo.

            • Sherbet

              The role of lucille austero in tonight’s performance will be played by Nat-lificent.

            • Vaquera

              ^^^^^

            • Nat-lificent

              We are poor substitutes for those two legendary troll-hunters. Lol

            • Baby

              Keep swimming sweetie..We have bigger fish to fry than you.. buh bye ( refresh)

              [IMG]http://i61.tinypic.com/2ldvqe0.gif

      • Sherbet

        The role of Espiando in tonight’s performance will be played by Captain Howdy.

      • Eclipse-girl

        CH, I did not have much exposure to Flunk. Could it be that paunchy, maggot filled, flap dragon?

        • Captain Howdy

          No

          • Eclipse-girl

            TY

            • Captain Howdy

              Flunk is crazy not retarded.

            • Eclipse-girl

              thank you making me laugh

        • TheMirrorThetan

          “Flap- Dragon” LOL.

    • Vaquera

      Honest question: When you say, “Plus they are even trying to get him up there,” who are the they to whom you refer?

    • Stacy

      If you’re trying to minimize the importance of the Sundance Film Fest, you’re going about it all wrong. Would you like some advice?

    • Sherbet

      Yes, Tom must watch his budget.

      • Certaintey

        The point being is that he gets free stuff

        • Sherbet

          Huh? Never mind. I’m going to bed. Drone on, Macduff.

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          From slave labor? Yes, that’s true.

        • FollowTheMoney

          You mean like a free luxury hangar for his plane and free rebuild of his Humvee?

        • TheMirrorThetan

          The point being is come back here when you put some effort into your trolling you lame tosser. Geez-us you lot don’t even try anymore…

    • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

      Oprah, is that you?

  • aurora50

    This interview with Laurence Wright which was done in May, 2013 is well worth the watch. I was so moved by his emotional connection to the Scientology stories he was reporting; remember this is the guy who wrote the definitive book on the 9/11 attacks…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfNRr0w0ufA

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      So good. Thank you.

  • Mark Bunker

    It seems like the one degree of separation between Redford and Scientology would be Cruise who starred in one of Redford’s most recent films. How could Cruise not get involved?

    • Sherbet

      I’m not sure Cruise still has the kind of pull or charm that helped him sway Bill Clinton regarding Germany’s “bigotry” toward scientology, back in the day. His fervor is probably perceived as wacky at best, and dangerous at worst. My opinion only, with nothing to base it on, just gut feeling.

      • Stacy

        I’ll have to look around to find the source again, but I recently ran across an article that stated Bill is still going to bat for CoS on the religious freedom front.

        Ugh.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Wasn’t that Travolta who persuaded Clinton? ” John Travolta met personally with U.S. President Bill Clinton at a conference in Philadelphia. ”

        Then the Big Being Troika — “In September 1997, John Travolta, Chick Corea and fellow Scientologist Isaac Hayes were heard by the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe
        (CSCE, also known as the Helsinki Commission), voicing their complaints
        about the treatment of Scientologists in Germany, and had a briefing
        with United States National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, whom Clinton had assigned to be “the administration’s Scientology point person.” — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_in_Germany

        • Eclipse-girl

          All the celebs put the pressure on Clinton to put pressure on Germany for having banned scientology.

          John may have received press at the time, but others made that push too.

        • John Peeler a.k.a. BTs2Free

          Yes, it all had to do with JT’s performance in Primary Colors. Clinton wanted him to take it easy on him. The “exchange” was that he would make sure that certain powers would “take it easy” on Scientology. Dave gave the Int Base a briefing on this.

        • Sherbet

          Sorry. I had my facts skewed, something Tony never would do.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Jes lookin to keep the record straight, Sherb.

    • FollowTheMoney

      Good point, Mark. I suppose if Cruise was game enough to tackle Steven Spielberg (if that story is true) then he might be willing to raise this issue with Redford.

      • Sherbet

        I’ll tell you one thing — If Redford folds, a whole lot of people are going to be ticked off, including every Bunkerite.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Why would he fold? What does he get for caving into tom’s / scientologys demands? NOTHING.

          • Sherbet

            Exactly. I don’t see it happening at all. What could Cruise say: “I’ll never be in another one of your films”? Who cares, right?

          • http://gravatar.com/ngraham1 N. Graham

            If Redford folded on the film, that would be a much bigger story and publicity for the film than if it ran.

          • Draco

            Exactly EG! He has far more stature than TC and has never been viewed as nuts. TC’s brief little outing as scientology’s “face” only served to confirm how crazy it all is. Plus Hollywood is long past that era where if one Star stopped making films, it threatened the industry or a particular studio. There are far more talented actors around now than ever before, and TC will not be missed. I don’t think he is as important as he thinks he is.

          • Baby

            and I will tell you this..and you can take it to the bank..

            *** I will NEVER and I mean NEVER sleep with Redford again if he caves!

            • Eclipse-girl

              TY for that.
              I needed to know where your stood. ; – )

            • Eclipse-girl

              Wasn’t it Robert Redford who offered the 1 mill to sleep with (?) Demi Moore?

            • Baby

              Yep!

            • Baby

              If he thinks he can get one more cent from me he is crazy!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I know you are holding out for Jason Beghe

        • Vaquera

          Whether Redford buckles (which I doubt) or not, it will still be a major HBO splash.

          Edit for clarity

        • romanesco

          I have a sneaking hunch that the genesis of this HBO project was the ticked-offedness of a lot of people of Redford’s stature. Not necessarily him, but who knows?

        • FollowTheMoney

          He won’t fold. The whole reason he began Sundance was to offer an alternative vision of film making to that of Hollywood. I believe if anything, Hollywood pressure would strengthen his willingness to host the film.

      • Eclipse-girl

        That was years ago when Tom raised the issue with Spielberg. I do not think a rational person would try that again. I keep forgetting that scientology and its adherents are not reational

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft
    • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

      I think this might answert the question; Skip (I think) posted this link earlier…. here’s the grab I took back then

      pic

  • Ella Raitch

    From my Disqus feed it looks like there’s activity again on the first Hollywood Reporter article about this doco. Another injection of interest.

  • Ella Raitch

    Celebrity participants mentioned so far (CDAN)

    1. Amanda Palmer
    2. Neil Gaiman
    3. Paul Haggis
    4. MC Lyte
    5. Chaka Khan
    6. Mimi Rogers
    7 + 8. “Presley Family” (*Presumably Priscilla Presley + Lisa Marie Presley)

    In another CDAN item:

    Priscilla and Lisa and even Riley Keough all have apparently spoken on film and what they have to say should be explosive. Two more celebrities, Jason Beghe and Diana Canova are also rumored to have been interviewed for the film

    http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2014/11/the-presleys-are-going-to-talk-about-scientology-in-new-hbo-documentary.html

  • Baby

    Excuse me while I clean up the messy troll shitermess (ref) Carry on..don’t mind the noise

    [IMG]http://i62.tinypic.com/9tjudf.gif

    • Eclipse-girl

      Thank you. There is a maid service in the Bunker. They are extremely well paid and have no need to accept tips.
      They also appreciate the help that the occupants supply.

      • Baby

        You are welcome.. ( I don’t know why there is so much space..Jeeze..)

        You know what E..I was just thinking I would give anything for Tommy Davis to be in charge of PR right now for Scn..

        I would love to hear what he would have to say about this fiasco..

        ( Don’t anyone say ” I’m Angry..real Angry ” Just too easy.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I kind of want to see Karin Pouw show her face at a protest or delivery of documents to HBO.

          At least we would know she is still alive.

          • Missionary Kid

            That, or to have one of the three idiots who appeared to attack Marty verbally at LAX. We can then make the connection between Co$ and nuttiness even stronger.

        • Sidney18511

          Ya know babes…..we need to THANK TD for this entire thing! If he hadn’t brought all those binders to Larry we wouldn’t be where we are today!

          • Baby

            Sidney.. OH absolutely.. I bet his Mama was very proud of her spoiled rich kid.. ugh

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft
      • Baby

        Hahahhaha RM .. Get your Asstrick down here and help me vacuum …

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          While you are at it… can you slap a Santa hat on little old me?

          • Baby

            Absolutely DDD.. It will be my honor..hahaha BRB

          • Baby

            One with and without a beard.. your choice.. xox ( What a Dork..hahhahaa) funny( F5)

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Can you do me Baby? No beard! xxoo

            • Baby

              no beard..hahahhaa here is 2 to choose from Mama Bear..

            • Baby

              OOps it flew out of my hands..xo Look how cute..you are in either..

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Super pic thanks love. Can’t find where to change my photo. I’ll work at it.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Success!

            • Baby

              Yay,, Yours was easy Dee.. the way your head was tilted I could use another hat..woo whoo you look so stinkin cute..ha

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              As much as I love the beard, I am concerned no one will recognize my avatar when it is reduced…!

            • Baby

              I love just your hat.. absolutely perfect! and you are right..I was just experimenting..

              Happy Something..ha

  • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

    This makes me happy. And I will try to guess all the profilees 😉

  • Sidney18511

    I wonder if any film was ever pulled from Sundance for “political” reasons?

  • Pierrot

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    Yesterday’s stats is 107 new or refreshed ads bringing our Last 4 Days EVEN to 303 and the 7 days Regional List DOWN from 634 to 619
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    Thanks Mark (& AP for keeping a catalog) : https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15260264743/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Graham

      UK morning shift is on the case. Red-Xing done!

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    First we had “Going Clear” excellent book and now it’s also a movie. This SP is very happy!

    • giggler

      cant wait although I dont get HBO but no doubt will find a way

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        This HBO Docu is Mankinds Comm-Ev on scientology. Let it rain!

        • Missionary Kid

          No. Let it pour.

  • Missionary Kid

    I’m hoping that the Streisand Effect comes into play. From Wikipedia: “The Streisand effect is the phenomenon whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely, usually facilitated by the Internet.”

    I hope that any effort by $cientology to slow down or attack HBO’s showing of the film at Sundance will get the publicity it deserves, further gaining it publicity. That is where the Bunkaroos and friends can come into play. If there’s any such effort, let everyone know on social media.

    I believe that $cientology has such a negative image that mention of it’s opposition will heighten people’s curiosity and increase their desire to see the documentary, instead of turning them away.

    While I believe $cientology’s power in Hollywood has waned, I do hope that Tom Cruise’s or another well known $cientologist’s tries to use threats or star power to undermine the HBO documentary get well publicised. Unfortunately, I believe that won’t happen, but that we will see a succession of sock puppets declaring that the documentary is boring, in essence saying, Too Long, Didn’t/don’t Watch. (TL;DW)

    I’d like to see a marketing campaign that is in the vein of, “See the documentary that $cientology tried to ban.”

  • TheMirrorThetan

    “I think there’s going to be some soiled shorts.” A slight understatement there, Mike.
    Slaphappy Shitebreath is going to go berserk, repeatedly.

    I hope some of the deluded poor souls blow NOW for their own sake.

    • Missionary Kid

      Thank you for “Slaphappy Shitebreath.” It is now on the list of DM’s nicknames.

      • coonellie

        You’re up late!

        • Missionary Kid

          I fell asleep early and just woke up.

          • coonellie

            Well, I hope you make the best of it! Ever since having Baby C I’ve not had a “normal” night’s sleep…and BC is in the teens. Then again, my Daddy said that I should be grateful that I’m upright and breathing and no one’s shooting at me.

            • Missionary Kid

              Approaching 70 and having a senior-sized prostate after drinking a lot of fluids before going to bed gets me up. I was busy today, so I only saw that there was no early Bunker post, and read Tony’s post just before I went to bed.

            • coonellie

              True story…my Dad, who’s approaching the early 80’s, had his doc tell him he has a prostate of that of a 20 year old. he takes no meds and he’s as healthy as a horse. Being a Marine for 35 years probably helped, but switching to a completely plant-based diet also had a major impact. His MD was also a jarhead (where did that come from?) and now recommends it to his patients (my Daddy was a fighter pilot).

            • Missionary Kid

              From Heritage Press International http://www.usmcpress.com/heritage/usmc_terms.htm “Jarhead: For roughly 50 years, sailors had little luck in their effort to insult Marines by calling them Gyrenes. So, during World War II sailors began referring to Marines as Jarheads. Presumably the high collar on the Marine Dress Blues uniform made a Marine’s head look like it was sticking out of the top of a Mason jar. Marines were not insulted. Instead, they embraced the new moniker as a term of utmost respect.”

              Going plant based probably does have a huge impact. Tell your dad, Semper Fi.

            • coonellie

              I will..and thanks for the info! Reminds me of this, “Dress Blues, tennis shoes, and a light coat of oil.” Gosh…I’ve been fairly well indoctrinated. Baby C could sing the Hymn at 18 months…and I was PROUD.

  • coonellie

    Very O/T…my Xmas present to myself was Jon Atack’s latest and greatest, “Let’s Sell These People a Piece of Blue Sky”. The Xmas present to Baby C is, “Blown For Good”, signed by both Marc and Claire!!! Happy dance at all the good news and the good reading.

    I especially love that COS history is becoming mainstream. It’s a long time coming.

  • anoni81b4u

    David Miscavage should send a Picture of himself in his fake navy uniform. I bet HBO would be so impressed/intimidated that they flush the movie. Nothing scarier and more intimidating than a 5’1″ man in a fake navy uniform. SEND IT DAVE >>> SEND IT

    • Missionary Kid

      The image of having Davy stand tall in his miniature fake navy uniform and facing the light of publicity brought a full laugh to my belly. My belly thanks you.

      • anoni81b4u

        my pleasure :)

    • MaxSpaceman

      [ F5 ]

  • SciWatcher

    “They complain that the media won’t cover the real story, which is that Scientology is building new churches around the world.”

    Well, the media should give them what they want. That in itself would make a great story–all the regging and building and how the “new churches”’ then stand empty. Be careful what you wish for, Davey.

    • Sid_Snakey

      Yeah that would be genius, you can just imagine the denial…..”this story about how our claimed explosive growth is just a lie and how our new buildings actually lay empty is not the real story, the real story is that Scientology is experiencing explosive growth and building new churches around the world”

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    going through my folders… came across this little gem

    • coonellie

      Nothing shows

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        refresh… it’s definitely there

        • coonellie

          Now I see it, and sort of wish I didn’t. The English (and the Welsh) don’t exactly have a great history with all things Jewish. Just saying.

          • giggler

            I’m Jewish and deffo not offended!!

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            It’s true. Most of us can tell what is a meant just as humour and what is meant as an affront. We have no words in the Torah on Joking and Degrading but we are very good at figuring it out for ourselves.

    • giggler

      Very good

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    Only COB RTC can make a good movie about scientology.

  • RBE

    Apologies if this has already been posted:

    Truth Sentinel Episode 34 featuring Karen de la Carriere and the Proprietor

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HebDdxrxzUk

  • Tony Ortega

    NEW POST COMING SOON — processing video that just came in

    • EnthralledObserver

      Oh good – I feared another delay! Whew!

      • Ella Raitch

        It’s hard to get a good night sleep worrying that something is going on in the Scientology watching world that you don’t know about.

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      This post is so epic, I can live without a new one for some time.
      Also, go Marc Headley!

      • NOLAGirl

        Shhhh Dodo!! Don’t let him know that he doesn’t have to do this every morning or he might go on vacation and tell us to kiss his rear end. LOL

        • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

          Tony said once that he can be a rear end. He’s got a kind heart though.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Proprietor is sensitive and cares about our needs.

    • First Last

      Tony, forget about us unemployed bloggers on the fringe of the internet waiting for our daily kicks

      You better start posting on time as Slappy can not take a dump without reading your blog sitting on his thrown. You are causing sever constipation to Slappy McShorty – Watch out for RPF !

      • Ella Raitch

        If he’s not going to sh1t he should get off the pot

    • Ella Raitch

      Hooray! We haz video!

      • ScientologyDoesNotExist

        I hope starring Headley and the Holes.

  • First Last

    Hi Tony O’ – What is going on?
    Is this is your Bait & Hook strategy?

    Do I have to be Patron Invictus to get my fix at 7AM?

    I WANT MY TONY Osssss NOW !!!!

  • ScientologyDoesNotExist

    My husband heard No Post yet – just ordered quite the meal for his breakfast in bed. They get so spoiled so fast, don’t they? Please hurry that video. I am dangerous in the kitchen before coffee #2.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Looks like as far as a societal group taking on the subject of Scientology, and making a dent in Scientology’s operation, it is the media that comes out as the best influence.

    Media reporting significant ex member firsthand history into the public domain, sort of like a big long Consumer’s Report report on Scientology, has finally caught up to Scientology.

    Hubbard gave a false explanation in Keeping Scientology Working. He said there that Scientology’s only problem is the members NOT doing exactly what Hubbard said to do in all Hubbard’s Scientology technical and other writings.

    What’s false about this Hubbard false explanation is the fact that Hubbard’s tech, the exorcism tech of OT levels 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 (body thetan removal) and even the past life engram (trauma moments) elimination that supposedly happens on New Era Dianetics, are bogus.

    The truth is Hubbard’s Scientology does not make super soul astronaut people.

    The Hubbard failure admission in the final pages of Lawrence Wright’s book, I hope to hell this HBO and the other BBC show play that admission up!

    It’s still huge unappreciated news, if you look at Hubbard as a crank. Hubbard’s crank stuff fails. Hubbard admitted failure.

    That is still just a massive missed revelation in Lawrence Wright’s “Going Clear….”, just massive!

    And thankyou media, you connected the recent dots, of Scientology’s failing.

    Keeping Scientology Working writing by Hubbard, ought to include the Lawrence Wright final pages!

  • RBE

    Don’t you just hate it when a new comment appears in a thread and it isn’t declaring a new post being up.

  • Tony Ortega

    NEW POST UP

    • MaxSpaceman

      on the Jacobsen story today 12-13-14, a typo

      “it is for them to show where they public benefit lies” [ the public benefit ]

    • MaxSpaceman

      type 12-13-14 “an historic old cigar factor in Ybor City” [ factory ]

  • http://www.inter-fan.org Doc Boucher

    Great post. Poor COB it just keeps getting worser and worser for him. I guess his “cause over Life, Time Newsweek, etc is . This must be Incident 3!!!!

  • Tracy Schmitz

    i find it mind boggling defies all common sense and logic that a huge celebrity like cruise would EVER EVER EVER tell ANYONE no matter who (scientology auditor/auditors) ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING! especially anything and everything that would ruin them if found out both personally and professionally! that i just don’t get! i mean, i was raised catholic and went to confessions but do you think i EVER EVER TOLD SOME Priest my deepest darkest feelings and actions including my sex life?????!!!! OF COURSE NOT! and i’m a nobody! the idea that a huge celebrity like cruise might have done so is beyond gullible, stupid and insane!..in fact, you would think any celebrity (their 1st concern being their reputation!) would actually be UTTERLY FREAKED OUT AND BEYOND PISSED that their “faith” was ASKING THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR SEX LIFE AND WRITING THEIR ANSWERS DOWN TO KEEP!! you would think celebrity or non celebrity would be shocked and leave so fast a cloud of dust would appear!.. i know i would!…

    • BFM

      I understand your amazement Tracy. Any person who has not been infected by the scio disease will be flabbergasted finding out people do tell their most intimate secrets in great detail to this organization. Often under the guise of spiritual progress on needs to purge oneself of those bad deeds, starting by confessing them.

      TC has been inside this cult for so long in terms of years… he is completely brainwashed. ALL HIS video and audio tapes of his confessions are kept. It’s idiotic, I know, but that’s just how scientology rolls and member’s are thoroughly indoctrinated to believe it’s essential to impart any and all of their darkest secrets. They never stop to reflect on how the organization might some day use that to keep them in the fold or even blackmail them into signing gag-agreements.

      See, when you are IN, you really believe scientology is the most ethical group on the planet. But it’s a rude awakening when you do leave and be vocal about it — I got my share of dirt too, and while I was IN I would never have thought they would actually use that information and distort it to make it look more bad and even plant in outright lies.

  • E4 Anonymous

    $$$cientologists are the scum that pollutes planet earth.

  • rotulette

    I want to see it in IMAX 3D…

  • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

    Great news! I hope millions of people see the film.

  • Bella Legosi

    Congratulations Tony! So excited to hear you were involved in this! Yay :)

  • Enturbulated Masterbator

    I do hope that Missy Cavige and her entourage would actually make a public appearance at Sundance. I know it’s a dream but I would gladly be in charge of making the popcorn!