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An iconic Scientology building in Hollywood is in pre-foreclosure, and what that portends

Christie2Thanks to Angry Gay Pope for this latest tip involving a building that goes by several different names.

The building’s location, 6724 Hollywood Boulevard at McCadden Place, is a block east of the ‘Hollywood & Highland’ complex and it’s long been a Scientology facility, most recognizable for the vertical “Scientology” signs along its corners. Originally, the 1922 eight-story structure was known as the Christie Hotel. In 1945 it changed hands and was named the Drake Hotel and then later became the Hollywood Inn. Scientologists call it “the test center,” or “Hollywood Test Center,” and one of its most notable functions was to host the annual Winter Wonderland display in its parking lot each Fall to (sort of) celebrate Christmas.

(It has always been curious that Scientology puts on a quasi-Christmas celebration when founder L. Ron Hubbard very clearly told his most devoted followers — and it’s on tape — that “there was no Christ,” and he explained that the world’s religions were the result of mental image pictures implanted in the minds of thetans — our immortal souls — by an invading alien force some 75 million years ago. In 1999 or 2000, at a lunch at the Hollywood Celebrity Centre, we quizzed Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw about this to the point that she finally burst out, “So we think Jesus is a figment of the imagination! So what!” It was a memorable meal. See our update, below.)

Along with several other Los Angeles facilities, the test center underwent renovation and was scheduled back in February to reopen as a new “ideal” facility. It was slated to carry the new name of “Hollywood Life Improvement Center” and a storefront down the street was given the name Hollywood Test Center.

If you recall, when the other nearby buildings were getting their grand re-openings, the date for the “Life Improvement Center” re-opening kept getting moved back. We heard that there had been a problem which prevented it from getting the proper permits to re-open, and months after the other facilities had their celebrations, the building sat dormant.

And now, Angry Gay Pope has dug up some documents showing that a lien has been placed on the building, which is now in “pre-foreclosure.”

According to county documents Pope forwarded to us, the Shaw Contract Flooring Service is listed as the “lender,” which suggests to us that Scientology simply hasn’t paid its entire bill for the recent renovations.

What’s even more surprising is that here it is Thanksgiving, the Hollywood Christmas Parade is on Sunday, and there’s no Winter Wonderland display in the parking lot. Pope sent us this report after making a visit yesterday…

The Hollywood Inn parking lot is bare just days before the Hollywood Christmas Parade, which is always held in November. Notice even the windows of the welcome center are totally blocked with tight fitting blinds. They have not had the Wonderland for several years because the Inn was being remodeled. Now there is no excuse not to have one. Perhaps they don’t have the manpower to erect and staff it. Or maybe it was too much of an easy target for protesters. Either way it’s a big failure for them. I will miss its camera-friendly decor and the easy access I had to Sea Org workers. I walked a few blocks down the street and spoke to a couple of Sea Org workers at the Hollywood Guaranty Building and they had no idea that the Wonderland was not open. As usual the workers are kept in the dark about things even when they are right down the street.

 
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Mike Rinder, Scientology’s former spokesman, told us he was truly stunned to hear the news. Over at his blog, Rinder has been documenting all of the evidence which supports the idea that Scientology under leader David Miscavige is shrinking, fast, and is getting into increasing trouble. But no Winter Wonderland for the Hollywood Christmas Parade? Even Rinder was shocked.

As for the building being in pre-foreclosure, Rinder offers an explanation.

“Clearly they can pay the bill, the problem is no one is responsible for it. When it appears on your blog that there’s a pre-foreclosure procedure, a check will get cut and someone will get their head bashed in by Miscavige,” he says.

As for why the building has been allowed to sit in such a state for so long, Rinder suggests that the reason has to do with Miscavige and his concerns about security.

“My speculation is that they couldn’t get permitting to close off the grand opening event adequately to keep people from seeing Miscavige,” he says. “They’d have to close off Hollywood Boulevard. Now, the Oscars can pull that off, but even Scientology would have a hard time to close down the street for the fifteen minutes it would take Miscavige to make his speech. And it has to be Hollywood Boulevard for that building. And if they can’t shut it down and put up their drapes or their plants, then he’d be open to public view.”

(And that reminds us of Mark Bunker’s efforts at the opening of the Portland Ideal Org last year.)

“No one probably has the guts to tell Miscavige that they can’t secure it for his appearance. So they let it sit,” Rinder says.

Another person who went by yesterday to get a few snapshots was our friend Jeffrey Augustine.

 
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As Pope pointed out, there’s been no Winter Wonderland at the Christie/Hollywood Inn since 2010 2011, after which it closed down for the renovations. And it appears that in the meantime, Scientology has moved the display to its Clearwater, Florida location (Update: It appears that the Wonderland in Florida has been running in parallel for a long time, so the Hollywood version is simply closed). But here, once again, David Miscavige is messing with the traditions of founder L. Ron Hubbard, who is known as “Source” to Scientologists.

Scientology’s website still says that Winter Wonderland is a Hollywood tradition begun by Hubbard in 1983 when he “provided a 60-foot Christmas tree as a gift to the people of Hollywood. Winter Wonderland holiday village is erected each year on Hollywood Boulevard as a service to the community.”

Longtime Scientology watchers know that by 1983, Hubbard had been in total seclusion for three years, and by then was hiding out at a ranch in Creston, California, near San Luis Obispo, where he died in 1986. So maybe Jesse Prince — one of the few people who saw Hubbard’s “despatches” in those days, can tell us if Hubbard up at Creston really knew anything about his largesse to the folks of Hollywood.

But even if Hubbard’s PR staff was responsible for the Christmas tree, what’s David Miscavige doing messing around with a tradition like that for? That’s awful squirrely, if you ask us.

Anyway, Jeff Augustine had two observations for us about the building after making his visit. First, he wonders who owns this fancy motorbike which was behind the spiked fence at the property…

 
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And he also noticed that on the sidewalk out in front of the building, there’s this marker…

 
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Says Jeff: “How fitting that Christopher Street West began right outside the homophobic Church of Scientology on Hollywood Blvd and McCadden Place.”

Isn’t that something.

 
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What we’re thankful for

Here in the United States we’re celebrating Thanksgiving today, and we wish a happy day to all of our readers, from Canada to Europe to South Africa to New Zealand to the UK to Australia and to all 50 states. We love hearing from all of you, in our comments and directly.

We’re so fortunate to have the community that finds the Underground Bunker a place to visit day in and day out. And we’re reminded of what great friends we have after being humbled by a piece written at Facebook yesterday by Chicago Fire actor Christian Stolte (seen here with Chicago PD star Jason Beghe in a photo they took for us here in the Bunker last year). We’ve met few people, in or out of show business, who are more knowledgeable about Scientology and care about its history and where it’s headed today than Christian. And if we can keep a guy like that coming around for more, well, it gives us a lot to be thankful for.

 
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Happy Thanksgiving from our bunker to yours!

 
UPDATE: We can see that our Karin Pouw anecdote is raising questions among our newer readers, so we’ll fill it out just a little more. We’ve mentioned this incident a few times in the past. At the time, we were working at a newspaper, New Times Los Angeles, which went out of existence in 2002. But while it lasted it was a feisty thing, and we covered Scientology along with a colleague, Ron Russell. (Ron did the amazing story of Raul Lopez, while we wrote about Tory Christman and Graham Berry, among other subjects.) Concerned that we seemed to be determined to keep up our coverage, Pouw invited our editor, Rick Barrs, and the newspaper’s publisher to have lunch at the Hollywood Celebrity Centre, presumably to “safepoint” them and get them to call off us writers. At the last minute, however, the publisher begged off, and Barrs brought your proprietor along. Ms. Pouw did not appear too thrilled about the substitution, and throughout our (quite delicious) meal — your proprietor can still remember the superb Chilean Sea Bass and wild rice — she tried to engage Barrs in conversation, but he was happy to let his reporter ask about Scientology’s uncomfortable truths, until Ms. Pouw’s remarkable outburst. All in all, it was a day we will never forget.

 
SECOND UPDATE: Apparently, some folks are having a hard time seeing what Christian Stolte posted at Facebook. Here’s a copy of it…

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on November 27, 2014 at 07:00

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  • i-Betty

    Happy Thanksgiving, Bunkerites (even the ones who aren’t American)! I hope you’re all having a really great day with people who make you laugh. It’s a travesty that we don’t have anything like this in England, so I shall simply piggyback your fun :)

    Cheers AGP and Jeff! Great pictures and updates.

    Man, Christian’s post made the hairs on my head prickle. That man can really write.

    • C.M.

      Dan Sherman can kiss Christian’s …. er.. feet! That’s how to write an engaging, mind capturing piece. (loved the F words on the right places too;))

    • Richard Grant

      Oy, i-Betty! Give a bloke a word of warning before you jump on for piggybacking. You’ve wrecked me for Black Friday now.

      • i-Betty

        I apologise! But while you’re down there will you pass me up that turkey leg. Cheers! 😀

    • Missionary Kid

      An explanation, (because i-Betty is in Britain and other visitors here are not in the U.S.): Black Friday in the US is the day when all sorts of sales take place. It has marked the start of the consumerist Christmas shopping season, which is stupid, IMO, because it’s so damn materialistic.

      Now, the shopping season has gotten earlier and earlier, with some businesses opening today to lure shoppers in to spend their money at a merchant’s shop before they go somewhere else.

      Me? I wait until the days after Christmas, when either stuff is returned and merchants don’t want to stock it or they sell off their overstocks that haven’t sold. I only buy what I need.

      • Frodis73

        Praise Xenu. You couldn’t pay me to step in a store today or tomorrow. It’s all so wrong on so many levels. Americans need to wake up…this says so much about our culture and none of it is good. Anybody remember the days when it was hard to find a gas station open on a holiday?

        • Missionary Kid

          Chris Rock did a great routine on Saturday Night Live over a week ago, talking about how we’re being told to buy all this crap because the Baby Jesus tells us to.

          The whole evolution of Santa Clause is a way of bypassing any real mention that Christmas is really based on a religious holiday, that wasn’t one until the Pope tried to co-opt the winter solstice festival.

          Here in the U.S., the Pilgrims never celebrated Christmas: it was a Catholic holiday, and, in fact, it was against the law to in Massachusetts for over a hundred years to do it. I blame Dickens for the elevation of the holiday, and the New York Sun for adding to the whole schmeer.

          People talk about “the war against Christmas,” but my war isn’t against Christmas, but the sheer, naked materialism that it has turned in to.

          BTW, a hundred years ago, Christmas was more celebrated like Halloween, with people going door to door in costumes begging for food and candy. I just saw pictures from 1914 New York, and it is amazing.

          • Robert Eckert

            Those were pictures of 1914 Thanksgiving.

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re right. Brain fart. For some reason, Disqus won’t let me edit my last paragraph to remove it.

            • Missionary Kid

              I had to open up another window to edit out my last paragraph. Thanks for the correction.

          • Frodis73

            MK wrote: People talk about “the war against Christmas,” but my war isn’t against
            Christmas, but the sheer, naked materialism that it has turned in to.

            Yes! I caught the news earlier & the had a segment about what you are thankful for today: Most pathetic answer: my big screen tv. Talk about totally missing the point. This year I saw x-mas stuff as early as September. Wasn’t front & center, but they were getting merch in and organizing that early. They just cram it down our throats. If you even point these things out, people get so defensive about it…as if the right to shop is the end all, be all kind of thing. I had a lot of hope that the economic crash of 08 would help wake people up and they’d resist this a bit…it seems worse. If folks seriously stayed home today & tomorrow to show we are fed up, the phone lines between DC and various CEO’s would catch fire. We would scare the hell out them. But no…the chance for that big screen tv is just more important. Sorry to rant…this is one of my (many) hot buttons. :-)
            I did not know that it was against the law in Ma at all, let alone on the books that long. I’m glad you told me that. I need to look into the history a bit more than I have. It’s always interesting to see how things have changed. Sometimes it seems we are making so much progress…then again. One of those ‘the more things change, the more they stay the same’ kind of things.

            • Robert Eckert

              The War against Christmas will continue until Christmas ceases its aggression against Thanksgiving and Halloween, ends its illegal occupation of November, and withdraws to the Black Friday line!

            • Frodis73

              Lol! That is so awesome.

          • Stacy

            That’s fascinating about X-mas and Massachusetts. I didn’t know that.

            I’m with you on materialism and consumerism. The sheer amount of waste we Americans generate is shameful.

            You won’t catch me doing any shopping tomorrow.

      • i-Betty

        Thanks, Mish. Black Friday has finally made it to our shores this year. I’m rather glum about just how excited people are.

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s really too bad. I was in Sweden over 40 years ago for Christmas in the small town close to where my father was born. The apologized for it being so commercial. All they had were some street decorations and some merchandise in the windows with special displays.

          I just laughed and shook my head because it was so minor compared to what we had then. I remembered thinking, “If they only knew.” Things are much worse here now. People used to wait until after Thanksgiving to put up any Christmas lights and decorations. They went up this year after Halloween!

          It seems as if people are getting black Friday fatigue, and I hope it’s so.

  • Captain Howdy

    Merry Thanksgiving Every Bum!
    ….

    • stillgrace2

      Enjoy that turkey leg, Captain!

      • Captain Howdy

        Likewise my P.A extraordinaire

        • stillgrace2

          I would gladly share my Bailey’s with you today.

    • Qbird

      you bums!!!

      made me laugh Capt.

      you sweet hunk o’ trash you

      http://youtu.be/KX0UZI0pk1k

      • Captain Howdy

        Happy Thanksgiving, Q
        ….

        • D.Y.G.

          I’ll drink to that.

    • Ella Raitch

      I am thankful for seeing the extraordinary Nick Cave last night. Unforgettable.

      • Captain Howdy

        Who was he playing with? Did he do any older stuff?

        • Ella Raitch

          No support act. Warren Ellis and a three other musos (drums, bass and keyboards). No Birthday Party stuff, 4 or so from his new album, lots of older Bad Seeds songs. Had heard a recent live recording (which was mostly his new album) so were pleasantly surprised when he played Weeping Song second. Outside venue of 3000ish – first performance of his Aussie tour – very relaxed and intimate. First time I’ve seen him perform live and was blown away.

          • Captain Howdy

            Excellent. I saw the Bad Seeds in 87 in S.F. It was awesome. I wish I’d seem him more, but usually we were too broke from trying to live like him. I gotta admit that Murder Ballads was the last album I really got into. After that he got into his Cohen phase and he’s been there ever since. Even the Grinderman stuff seemed kinda ho-hum to me. I think it was more me than him. I still wanted the Tom Jones from Hell guy.

            • Ella Raitch

              There was a bit of a gritty, dark side on display, but yeah, he has certainly moved in a particular direction, which is still very powerful and a refreshing antidote to mindless soul-less pop.

            • Captain Howdy

              Oh yeah, he’s still way above the rest.

            • Jo

              I’m so jealous, I’m sure he was fab.

          • Frodis73

            Wow. I’m so very jealous right now. I’m happy for you though!

  • Mark Ebner

    The very spot where I took my “Personality Test” as entrée to my Spy magazine expose. http://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com/2006/03/23/ebner-undercover-scientology-spy-magazine-1996/

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks for posting that. Aren’t you glad to know that it’s another empty Co$ building now? May they all soon be empty.

    • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

      I remember I used to drink with this crazy old English guy (we shared a few watering holes); funny as hell… name escapes me for the moment back when I lived in New York (85-90)… used to love Spy Magazine and have most of the collection in my garage…. DYK they’ve put it up on google books?

      http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AXKlThqFFT0C&redir_esc=y

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    “….quizzed Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw …. she finally burst out, ‘So we think Jesus is a figment of the imagination! So what!’ ”

    – Tony Ortega reporting

    Priceless work getting truthful admissions from Scientology PR spokespeople!

    • 0tessa

      Probably the only time she spoke the truth …

  • Missionary Kid

    Thank you Tony for your forbearance of all of wild and wooly denizens of the Bunker after you’ve posted one breaking story after another.

    Thank you, all of you Bunkaroos, for your marvellous comments and wit that have added to my lists. (At this point, I feel like Jimmy Fallon, writing some of his Thank You notes, but I really mean my thanks.)

    Thank you, all of the contributors, who have braved disconnection and approbation and all sorts of harm and hurt to bring us the stories that keep exposing $cientology for what it is: evil.

    Thank you, all of you exes, who have had the courage to come here, bear witness, and add to the history of $cientology. May you be reunited with those who have been forced to disconnect from you.

    I’m thankful that I was never in, and that my family tolerates me and loves me in spite of all of my faults.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Funny but true. When I was a lurker I assumed that you were actually a kid possibly an ex-volunteer ministry clam. Great to know that you not only served our country alongside most of all the males in my family but have retained your youthful exuberance for keeping these lulzy list with along with a knack for organization. We appreciate your work!

      • Missionary Kid

        Being raised as a fundamentalist son of missionaries has given me a real appreciation of the prison of belief that chult members are involved in.

        My upbringing was not really very oppressive, but it was controlling. At least no one has ever disconnected from me for changing my beliefs.

        I’ll soon be 70, wonder of wonders, and keeping the lists has just been a way of catching all of the intelligent, quirky, funny stuff posted by the Bunker denizens.

  • stillgrace2

    Happy Thanksgiving to all my bunker friends. I am thankful I get to hang out here from time to time!
    My heart goes out today to all families whose Thanksgiving day is disrupted by the evil of disconnection.

  • rom661

    I lived in that building for a short time when they first acquired it in the early 70’s. I don’t think Christian is suffering from repression….. Nice seeing it somewhere that is less “destination” oriented than the Bunker. Congrats, Tony, on his kind words for you. And Sea Bass sounds better than turkey for some reason.

  • Simi Valley

    Thanksgiving Day is a good time to celebrate being in one’s own country, as opposed to being human trafficked to another country against one’s will. In case anyone missed the podcast where I talk about being human trafficked while in the SO, here it is:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BVhWFtx42I&list=UU7MA7YojnQaIoUqUqvTZ4rg

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Always love hearing your story, Simi. Trust that life is treating you well!

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I give my thanks this day, and every day, to all those who knew and would not stand silent about the evil of Scientology.

    You, with your courage, made it possible for me to leave Scientology. The testimony, books, stories, court cases and prosecutions and many other actions you created resulted in the mountain of information that I could not ignore.

    So, never feel unrecognized. Never feel unappreciated. I recognize you. I appreciate you.

    Thanks.

    • Missionary Kid

      Michael, we appreciate you as well, with your insightful commentary and testimonials. Thanks for being here.

    • NOLAGirl

      You are truly a kind, considerate person Michael. We are fortunate to have your intelligence and compassion here. Thank you for what you bring to this very large, very diverse table. :)

    • Qbird

      Michael, I found this 3 years ago, while flying around in & out of rabbit holes — I saved it bc this essay was a key leading me towards understanding.
      http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/16.htm

    • aquaclara

      Aah, Michael, you add so much here, too, so, tossing your words back to you.
      Thank you.

  • rom661

    And Tony, thanks to you for providing this venue and, despite your opinions of it, being a true journalist when it comes to your reporting on the church. If you write it I always feel confident that it is even handed and thoughtful, whether the news is good or bad. Take care.

  • Gigi

    Happy Thanksgiving to Tony and all the Bunkeroos! We are so thankful that you all are here educating, supporting, sharing experiences and for just being here and being who you are. It is all so appreciated each and every day!

  • Artoo45

    A Target 2 Thanksgiving

    Everyone in Target 2 is taking a bit of a breather from the story and having a perfectly lovely Thanksgiving meal together. I’ll try to give you a sense of what things are like today.

    The scene: Bob Minton’s farmhouse in snowy New England.

    Let’s see, in the living room, over by the fireplace, Xenu has Polly, Sara and Jane Roberts, completely captivated with his unintentionally hilarious reenactment of the battle of Mirx. He’s put a colander on Quentin’s head (he’s been assigned the crucial part of Torab Plarg, Marcab Governer of Mirx IV). Sigmund, Noah, and Brigham are to play three of Xenu’s renegade Generals, armed with fireplace pokers and some knitting needles. Brigham keeps flubbing his lines, so they have to keep starting over again.

    Jean and Mao are in the kitchen with Ayn, Bob, Vaughn, Mo, and Gertrude Stein arguing about whether to serve red or white wine with dinner. Meanwhile, Eva Peron is picking at the upright piano in the parlor still trying to get the words to “Don’t Cry For Me Argentina” right, causing her audience (Bob’s beagles and Jean’s two tick hounds) to bay a mournful accompaniment.

    Mary Baker Eddy and Picasso sit at a card table drinking sangria and doing a jigsaw puzzle of Guernica.

    Jess is talking with Elvis and Nibs on the front porch, drinking beer and engaged in a very serious conversation about PTSD, and how the approach of Christmas always triggers his. Joe, Mary Sue and her dogs are trudging back from the barn bearing more firewood and another jug of “The Recipe.”

    And upstairs, Sid and Vlad are in the hallway, trying to talk a pouting, paranoid Hubbard into coming downstairs, assuring him that nobody, but nobody will mention the number of his followers.

    Just another typical family Thanksgiving for my very untypical online family.

    Now, I’ve got yams to make . . .

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Whoa…quite eccentric gathering…;p

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Meanwhile, out in the woodshed, Rasputin is still struggling under the pile of firewood…

      • Todd Tomorrow

        “You put my penis in a jar? And hid it in a woodpile. What were you thinking? I’m going to put the biggest curse on you..”

        • Artoo45

          I said to put your pennies in a jar, Ras. Really, do I have to do everything around here?

      • Artoo45

        Oooh. I like that . . .

        • Robert Eckert

          Am I sensing another chapter?

          • Artoo45

            Yes you are. There are definitely more chapters on the way and who couldn’t use more Russians? I’m just working on a totally unrealated screenplay and work has been keeping me really busy.

    • Science Doc

      Here’s hoping that COB will step out into a busy street and join the other characters in time for a very merry unauthorized holiday pagent.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        It would make the same sound as if you stepped in dog excrement,”Glitch.”

    • L. C. Spencer

      I lost it at Sigmund, Noah, and Brigham. Very Well Done!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Didn’t Mrs. Baker Eddie get busted in the day going to a Dr? I’m being serious or it was to treat her son’s broken are. It was a scandal in Boston.

  • Phil McKraken

    Tony, some contractor has you (and AGP) to thank for the check they are about to receive by messenger tomorrow morning, and congratulations for that.

    You might be able to make a nice sideline in the blog publicizing vendors currently being stiffed by the Most Ethical People on this Planet. It will have the double effect of enhancing Scientology’s reputation as a den of thieves and of getting various people owed by them paid off.

    Happy Turkey Day to you and all the rest of our regular community here.

  • scnethics

    Happy Thanksgiving, Tony, and everyone here at the Bunker. Love to you all and wishing you all a great day!

  • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone! And thanks Tony for everything you’ve done to expose the truth about this sinister group. I owe no small thanks to people like you for my decision to leave this organization several years ago. Initially I still believed in Old Tubby Hubbard and considered myself an indie. Thankfully that was a relatively short phase as I continued reading everything I could find and before long realized the entire thing was a con. Jon Atack’s articles here have been particularly helpful in understanding the true nature of this destructive system.

    • Richard Grant

      Thanks to you, too, for your tireless work to keep us Twitter folk informed of everything that’s going on. I hope your day has been great and that the coming holiday season goes swimmingly for you.

      • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

        Thank you Richard, I really appreciate that!

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ve added Old Tubby Hubbard to the LRH nicknames list. Thank you.

  • Are_sics

    Nice kudos from Christian Stolte. I’ve read about it here, first, too — I only know of Mr. Stolte because of the Bunker! And him along with several other people who are fighting for the good (and the true, and the beautiful), having been touched one way or another by the hubbardian evil, lies, and ugly.

    Happy Thanksgiving, to all at the Bunker!

  • Baby

    Wow.. Tony fabulous Posts today.. You are on Fire.. and to Christian.. I made this when you and Mr. Beghe were on Chicago Fire together.. But you don’t have to ” Get Back to Work..” Thank you so much for your FB Page..absolutely Amazing.. We love you here! Happy Thanksgiving everyone.. Love Baby ( refresh)

    • Sid

      Happy Thanksgiving Baby!

      • Baby

        You too Sid.. it’s a pleasure to see you today!

    • C.M.

      Happy Thanksgiving Baby.
      I took the liberty of purchasing a present for you:)

      • Baby

        OMG..hahahhaha I love it.. that is so funny! Happy Turkey day to you sweet heart..xoxo Thanks for my present and of course my smokes.

        Can’t smoke enough…ya know..

        • C.M.

          Thought you might like it, cuz it has a F word on it too 😉 And it kind of embodies the general Bunker-Baby attitude too… Don’t mess with her, no sir!

          Otherwise she has a heart of gold < 33

          • Baby

            Aww.. Cookie Monster is baby’s friend. Now ” GIMMIE DAT COOKIE”

            • C.M.

              No baby girl, cookies are only for monsters like me. Too much cookie bad for baby. Baby needs more smokes 😉

  • flyonthewall

    Thank you Tony for your tireless efforts in exposing the cult EVERY SINGLE GD DAY! Thank you to those UTR tipsters, journalists, OG and NG fighters, Anonymous, RFTP homeboys, commenters and all those who fight the cult in whatever way they can. As a never-in and a newb I am thankful to have found a place at the table in the Bunker. For the longest time I never paid any mind to the comment section but having done so I am so glad I did. There are many gems here, from humor to analysis, it really is the icing on the cake.

  • chukicita

    I was thanking today and one of the things I find myself thankful for is fellowship. In my family, at work, my friends from childhood, and several other places that are important to me, including here in the Bunker.

    That led me to think about the Sunday funnies. And how it’s sad that fundraising seems to be the only real fellowship Scientologists have. I think one reason people worship together is it’s important to folks to have the sense of community and fellowship that people gathered to recognize something larger than themselves can have.

    As a never-in, I wonder what opportunities there are for real fellowship in a religion that forbids you to talk about your case with others, but forces to you write out ‘success stories’ before your next paid service. It seems to me most “service” in Scientology is done one-on-one with an auditor. I am aware that there are “services” on Sundays but understand they are not well-attended.

    And it blows me away that for as many talented musicians Scientology has among their ranks, they have such crappy institutional music.

    • C.M.

      A crappy man invents a crappy science that morphs into a crappy religion with crappy Sunday services that produces crappy (read: fake) fellowships who in turn produce crappy products in life….(omit lots of crappiness) and thus crappy institutional music, viola :)!

      • chukicita

        Thank you, C.M. This is a really valuable insight, I appreciate the thoughtfulness of it. And yes, it makes a great deal of sense.

        • C.M.

          You are welcome chukita.
          I realized you are a never-in and deserved a better response to your valid question regarding fellowship in the cult. The rest of the rant is pretty much accurate.
          I am glad it made sense to you.

          • Missionary Kid

            You made sense to me, too. After all, everyone in is trained to follow orders to Keep Scientology Working, and someone who leaves is no longer KSW, and, if one is not supporting KSW, according to the logic of Co$, they’re therefore against KSW, hence need to be disconnected from.

            It’s the same kind of duality reasoning that is involved in convincing people to abandon their families. The reasoning is that if one related to a clam disagrees with $cientology, they therefore don’t respect the clam, and hence don’t love them. I disagree with a lot of people. That doesn’t mean I don’t respect or love or like them. LRH logic is really toxic.

            • C.M.

              One can’t truly bond with each other on other grounds then surviving a threatening situation day in day out. And as the cult is all about control, you never know who to trust. And you really don’t get a clear picture of who that person is in essence, nor does he know that of you. See, everyone is engaged in a big “pretending” game with masks fully on. You could best compare the existing ” camaraderie” with the one found in east Germany during the STASI regime. You all try you survive but you know you can’t really trust anyone fully. It’s a kind of a superficial camaraderie with the purpose to still have some kind of social interaction. But fear, consciously or unconsciously, is always present.

              Bonding with seniors doesn’t occur, bare a few exceptions. Because the senior is always out to put your ethics in when your stats go down.

              Bonding with peers, at a same level on the organizing board is hazardous too. If you tell them for example that you are having doubts (or anything else considered out ethics in the cult) you are never sure that information will stay with that person. When that person gets into ethics trouble he will fess up all his alleged crimes but yours too. I have plenty of first hand experience in this.

              I could spent pages of sharing stories how people rat each other out but I think I have given description that will serve a better comprehension. LRH logic is indeed really toxic.

            • Missionary Kid

              When one thinks about it, the closest things to the way Co$ is run are dictatorships like North Korea and East Germany.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              KSW can be serious. Cams get it from not having toilet paper. And they wonder why nobody will stop to talk to them to take a personality test. All that hot polyester baking fecal matter into their bums in the Florida sun. But it can cause them to chain smoke to mask the smell. They can try soaking it but lengthy auditing sessions just make it worse. Four out of four Dr’s won’t even treat or talk about it. But I guess they brought it out of themselves.

  • Baby

    It’s funny.. We were going out to eat our Thanksgiving dinner.. ( Didn’t want to cook) .. and when it came down to it.. We were both too lazy to get out of our Sweats..ha

    So we are grilling Hamburgers and staying home and can’t be happier. Thankful that we enjoy each others company and not feeling obligated to have the traditional meal.

    So Hubby watching Football and me? Movies all night.. YAY.. ( Not even taking a shower! )

    That is MY idea of Thanksgiving today..and so thankful for all of you. You don’t have to comment. Just am feeling especially grateful for the friends ( all of you) who has added so much to my life.. Love baby

    • Eclipse-girl

      last year, when we thought our daughter was going to her BFs family, we made reservations at a restaurant. When the BF heard about that he asked if they could join us.

      This year was a very simple meal. Mr E likes to cook.
      I held him back from going overboard.

      It was very pleasant.
      Daughter and BF will join us for left overs tomorrow.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Come over. We have pie and Stuff!

      • Captain Howdy

        I was just gonna make an inquiry as to your whereabouts.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Familial body thetans!
          I should have them solo audited out by Tuesday!

      • Baby

        Can I put the ” Stuff ( wink wink) ” in my Hookah?

    • Aslansown

      Hi Baby! I was thinking about you last night. I just started attending a church that has a yearly tradition of having a “Pie Social” after the Thanksgiving Eve service. It’s a big church so I hear that people make and bring a LOTS of pies. I decided not to go because the last thing I need is to be in the same room with hundreds of pieces of homemade pie! But I literally did think about you because I’m like Pavlov’s dogs ….. pie = Baby!

      ETA: Ack – Just saw Bury’s post that she has pie!

      • Baby

        OMG.. Now that is a church function I would go to.. Good Lord..I will pray that you don’t go near the pies Lion.. Really you know and I know what would happen..hahahhaha pie=Lion!

        • Missionary Kid

          You guys have it wrong. Pie = Lord. 😉

          • Baby

            I thought you wrote Pie= Lard..hahahahhaa Yes.. the food of Gods..

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Mk had a Freudian slip.

            • Missionary Kid

              That wasn’t a slip. It was intentional that I elevated pie to the status of a god. Mmmm Breakfast Pie.

            • Robert Eckert

              Oil Mary, full of grease, the lard is with thee, basted art thou among din-din…

          • Vaquera

            The higher the meringue, the closer to heaven.

            • Missionary Kid

              I love lemon meringue.

        • Aslansown

          I got a hint of the madness of this thing when I saw a note in the bulletin last week that they still needed 80 more pies!

          • Baby

            Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

          • Todd Tomorrow

            80 pies. Good Lord in Jesus. I have to go share the road with drunk people and people wasted on pies. Wish me luck!

            • Aslansown

              Wasted on pies — I love it! I guess DUI’s would be DUIP’s — Driving Under the Influence of Pie!

              Be careful out there! Just don’t get between anybody wasted on pie and their next piece! 😉

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Pie just me into a food coma. Time for a double espresso and off to work. No rest for the..

      • Vaquera

        I’d never heard of such a thing until earlier today when my son said he was going to a friend’s place for a Thanksgiving open house pie social. Me? I’m on the sofa in a food coma.

        • Aslansown

          I’d never heard of one either. It makes sense to have it on Thanksgiving day — the night before Thanksgiving? Not so much! Traditionally that’s the time when I’m trying not to eat anything so I can stuff myself the next day! (And put myself into a food coma!)

          • Vaquera

            On the day after thanksgiving my daughter and her friends gather for a leftovers party. I made an extra Pyrex of dressing especially for her gathering. I don’t need to see another pie until Xmas!

            • Aslansown

              Leftovers are the best!

        • Frodis73

          Isn’t “food coma” one of the best descriptive & funny two words? I just love hearing about ppl’s various food comas.

          • Vaquera

            When my daughter has had a lot to eat and you can see her tummy bulge, she calls it her food baby.

            • Aslansown

              Ha! I love it!

            • Frodis73

              I just laughed & coughed at the same time. Loving it.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Kinda scarey when you think about the people on the roads who have had just a couple drinks then tons of sleepy turkey.

      • Vaquera

        For our Thanksgiving dessert, my dad’s wife made a pumpkin pie with meringue on top. I’ve never seen a pumpkin pie with meringue. That’s just not right. Must be a Mississippi thang.

        • Aslansown

          “Just not right” is right! I’ve never heard of it.

          Everyone knows the only thing you put on top of pumpkin pie is whipped cream — and plenty of it!

          Yikes — I just googled it thinking I’d read it was just a crazy Mississippi thing – who knew it was such a big deal?

          https://www.google.com/search?q=pumpkin+pie+meringue&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=614&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=cOV3VPGLNqa1sQTRnoGYAw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&dpr=1.25

          • Vaquera

            Well, I’ll be! Guess we got schooled, A.

          • Missionary Kid

            I like vanilla bean ice cream on top of pumpkin pie. Heck, I like pie ala mode, with the exception of pizza pie.

            • Aslansown

              Mmm…..that sounds really good too (not the ice cream on pizza thing though!).

            • Missionary Kid

              My oldest son used to put Ranch dressing on his pizza. It’s not bad.

              Pie a la mode is great for just about any pie, except Key Lime or Lemon Meringue.

            • Aslansown

              I wasn’t hungry before, but after all this pie talk I’m starting to crave a piece of hot apple pie with ice cream……

            • Missionary Kid

              The two biggest derails in the Bunker are food and music.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              The only time I like that oil based, Cool Whip is on pumpkin pie.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          My mother makes a pumpkin chiffon pie that is to die for. She is not allowed out of her house on Thanksgiving unless she has one in the pie carrier.

        • Stacy

          Was it good?

    • Illinoisian

      “Thankful that we enjoy each others company and not feeling obligated to have the traditional meal.”

      Us, too, Baby. Just the two of us and a *very* non-traditional meal: bluegill fillets. A friend gave us a package of two dozen (they’re small) fillets around mid-summer an they have been in the freezer. Neither of us had ever tasted them before. Simply yummy, and we’re thankful for the thoughtfulness of our fisherman friend, just a bit of snow on the ground to make a pretty scene outside and a relaxing day.

      Enjoy the movies!

      • Baby

        Ohhh Lincoln.. In my younger days I would have died of boredom to be so at peace and relaxed.

        I am glad that you are enjoying the day in relaxation also.. I don’t eat fish, but my hubby said that bluegill is one of his favorite fish to eat. Nice fisherman friend.

        Oh I will..I will.. I watch them on Youtube lately.. ( Free) fabulous.. xo

        • Illinoisian

          Great movies on Youtube. Recently watched “Dracula, Dead and Loving It.” Love Mel Brooks movies. And lots of the Basil Rathbone Sherlock Holmes, and the Charlie Chans too. (“The Black Camel” — 1931 — is the best. It follows the book very closely, and you get to see Robert Young looking like he’s about seventeen years old.) But I’m sure you have your favorites.

          • Baby

            You know I just watch anything. Seriously Horror..documentaries.. I just go down the list..

            I love Mel Brooks. Absolute genius.

        • Illinoisian

          “In my younger days . . .”
          Yeah. Back then I would have seen peace and contentment as surrendering to a dreary fate. Perspective changes.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Blue Gill are really really good. I hope you enjoyed your feast.

  • J. Swift

    Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow SP’s,Wogs, and Wholetrack Psychs here at the world famous Underground Bunker.

    The old Scientology “Winter Wonderland” has been replaced by another Scientology spiked fence which surrounds what use to be the open lot where the event was staged.

    The Church of Scientology must have spent a fortune on the Christie. The interior was gutted down to structural steel. My visual inspection yesterday showed a new main electrical transformer which means a new electrical system. Also seen were new main water lines and fire hookups, so the entire building was re-piped from the municipal connection forward.

    The exterior work I surveyed was outstanding and very professionally done. As always, the Church of Scientology spends lavishly on MEST while ignoring people, particularly Sea Org members.

    On its portfolio page, NOVA HRC shows its part of the Christie project as being a $10,000,000 job: http://www.novahrc.com/portfolio.html

    IMO, the job was well in excess of $10,000,000 given what is essentially a rebuild from the shell that included seismically stabilizing the entire structure to bring it up to current Los Angeles Code.

    NOVA HRC is the Church’s general contractor and did the Christie. Nova HRC’s press release is here: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/nova-hrc-renovates-hollywoods-iconic-christie-hotel-246948701.html

    If Shaw Contract Flooring Service has not been paid it may be the case that Nova HRC has not been paid. The bottleneck is perhaps certain Church Finance execs who are on the RPF and locked up in latest incarnation of the SP Hole. These execs who sign off on NOVA HRC Purchase Orders may possibly be unavailable to sign PO’s until they have written up their crimes on the wholetrack and been audited to an F/N on all items.

    All of this makes COB look like “Deadbeat Dave” because his Cult clearly has cash and lots of it. As posted here on the Underground Bunker by the Proprietor, the Church of Scientology International had a 2012 Book Value of $846,314,618. Other Church entities push book value of the Cult north of $1.5 billion.

    • J. Swift

      I posted a photo of the the new Scientology spiked fence around the Christie in my previous post. However, Disqus did not feel like posting it there. Here it is.

      • Robert Eckert

        Still not showing up for me. Usually when Diqsuq refuses to post a picture, as soon as you repost it shows up multiple times, but no today.

      • 1subgenius

        Don’t tell me they are inwardly facing.
        I’m sure they keep out the bears just the same.

      • aquaclara

        Adding my thanks to the chorus, J. Wishing you and Karen all the best…

      • Missionary Kid

        Best to you and Karen for all you do. I give thanksgiving that you are here.

    • Artoo45

      I saw them putting in those gorgeous skylight windows up near the roof when I was down there a couple of years ago. That building is one of my favorites on the Boulevard. And, here’s to you and Karen having a marvelous holiday. Thanks for all you do, and the flair with which you do it.

    • 1subgenius

      OK. silver lining alert.
      What you’re saying about the rehab of that building, renews a thought I’ve had.
      When the deal goes down, at least there will be a bunch of old buildings that got re-done. Hey, all the cheeze can be removed, and they can, and will be re-purposed as the economy comes back.
      I suggested that the cult convert them to luxury spas before it implodes, but so far they haven’t listened to me.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        What ever happened to their new TV/Radio station, KRAP. Thought that could have made for hours of Lulz. Maybe they have those check writers locked up, too.
        One last thing. Has anybody that’s been in any of the RPF’s ever witnessed a potential groupn riot or escape being planned? You’d think that after a decade or so the inmates would want to rise up and run the asylum. Read an article by the Italian pop star who spent time at Int Base doing some recordings. The first few nights he had his own nice room. Slowly they moved him into worse rooms, at the same time keeping him up for more hours at a time.
        One night he went to grab a few minutes of shut eye and he looked over at one of the other three men sharing his room. Being a born in big time $cion kid born into a big time clam family he recognized the President of $cientology himself, Heber. Mortified but lacking in sleep he snuck in a nap. Things just got worse when they wanted his translations and recordings done faster. People that worked in the studio taught him to drink lots of tea an coffee and run around the building to stay awake. He’d been awake for three days with no sleep.

        • Techie

          In the RPF nobody even considers any group rebellion even for a moment. You have your own doubts and reservations but are sure everyone else is with the program, so it would be just asking for RPF’s RPF to even bring something like that up. I was at a meeting in the RPF once when the amnesty for the AOSH ANZO was announced – at first the implications did not penetrate, but then we began to look at each other and realize- that means we are FREE! The LRH amnesty included the RPF. I have never seen a group go from lifeless to screaming joy in a shorter time. Unfortunately for me the Gold RPF recruiters were not letting something so trivial as a Scientology-wide LRH amnesty interfere with their plans to get slave labor for Gold and I was whisked off “over the rainbow” to work on the LRH Music Studio, so the incredible (badly done) Mission Earth albums could be done – one for each book in the series, 10 albums, LRH music all the way, got to be done NOW (now…now…now…….echo effect and fade down…) So I and about 5 others were the only ones that knew the RPF was officially over and we were under strict rules not to tell a soul. As we proceeded to stay up for 5 days straight to not finish the Studio. If I couldn’t even tell the RPF that LRH had actually freed them, and it was an order I did not question for a second, how likely is it that any RPF would try for a jail-break? The prison of belief. Maybe in some remote unwatched RPF somewhere but not in the ones I was a part of, at the PAC base and at Gold. I feel for your Italian translator, I worked with those guys (about ten years after the events I just described, with the Music Studio and Audio building done long since). They really went through it, though it was easier for them than for the regular crew. Thanks be to God that I and so many others are free of that now, and may many more gain freedom in the coming months.

          • http://www.skippress.com/ Skip Press

            I ditched the RPF in 1977 – jumped off a two-story roof at “the Complex” and took a walk down Sunset Blvd. Boy, that felt good. Back then, if you revolted, they sent you to the RPF’s RPF. If you revolted there, they sent you to “the turkeys” and tried to browbeat you into threatening legal so they could declare you Type C (I believe that’s the one) and make you ineligible for services and get rid of you.

        • Techie

          They are probably still buying equipment for the radio station, fiddling with it and arguing about where to put everything. There are all kinds of strange practices involved with any technical work done by Scientology – some of it was ordered by Ron at various times, some is simply tradition, other ideas are just ordered by Miscavige or his favored slaves and accepted without question. For example, the grounding system has to have five to seven ground rods, connected by 4/0 welding cable, shielded by copper braid (two of the rods are just for the braid). 4/0 means #0000, where your typical house wiring is #12. It is about .5″ in diameter. All equipment is modified, sometimes in strange ways, some is hand built. It can take years to get a line going, tested and approved. Every detail goes in bankers boxes full of test data, manuals, procedures and write-ups through Dave Miscavige, the self-anointed pope of all things technical in Scientology and self-anointed golden ear.

          • Robert Eckert

            This sounds almost like a cargo cult in Papua building their traditional replica of a landing strip.

            • Techie

              Similar in a lot of ways to a Cargo Cult, with the same unquestioning wide-eyed faith that it will all work and the same sad final result when it does not. Untold thousands of man-hours go into even simple music recording production systems, I can just imagine what these sound stages must be like.

            • Missionary Kid

              I envision the sound stages to look like a cross between a 700 Club set, a twisted Steampunk convention, and a shrine to Fearless Leader, with a large space set forth for singing and dancing like would be found in an Up With People performance.

            • Vaquera

              Up With People: a front for yet another cult.

            • Techie

              Catchy tune though, now I’ve got an ear worm. “up up with people, you see ’em wherever you go, up up with people, they’re the best kind of folks you know…” Now you know how old I am.

            • Vaquera

              Right there with ya’!

            • Techie

              Don’t forget the Green Rooms with full multi-flavor Kool-aid wet bar, wide screen monitors, every kind of luxury known to man. Can’t have ‘lil Dave want for anything while he waits for his cue, you know. When we used to do the Shrine Auditorium for the New Year’s event there was a crew of “Commodore’s Messengers” whose sole duty was to clean up and decorate a Green Room to Dave’s exacting standards. Lots of little dishes of baking soda and lemon to kill the evil smells, special sound systems, snack bar etc. etc.

            • sookiesookie

              This is one of my newbie questions, but it’s one that really bothers me: when people are signed up to clear the planet, and they believe they’re working for the benefit of all humanity, WTF are they thinking when a little wiener like DM demands a bunch of special frills and fancy treatment? Even if they believed he held the answer to all of life’s questions, wouldn’t they expect him to be working just as hard (and selflessly) as they are, toward the same goal? Why don’t they think it’s weird that this one guy has a load of fancy desires that must be fulfilled, when they’re going without the simplest of things (like toilet paper) on a daily basis?

            • grundoon

              David Miscavige’s billionaire lifestyle is a closely guarded secret. Staff who work in proximity to DM are, for the most part, held in a regime of intense thought control and blocked from communicating with the lower echelons and the outside world. All Scientologists are trained and disciplined to close their eyes and ears to anything that reflects badly on the Chruch.

            • Missionary Kid

              Somebody should just dunk him in Fabreeze. That would take care of the smells.

              Multi-flavor Kook-aid? That’s real class. I wonder if he uses it as a mixer for his drinks. Actually, it sounds like someone stuck in their childhood.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ve added “TV/Radio station, KRAP” to my list of Scientology Structures and Boat, but I don’t dare edit my list on the Bunker, because when I’ve done an edit, the list is removed for approval. It goes on my personal list that will eventually be posted at Christmas somewhere else.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ve added Deadbeat Dave to the list of DM nicknames. Thanks.

    • Sid

      The POs should be signed before the work starts, but the push is to start the work even before a PO is gotten because of hefty completion targets. It’s done even though it can also mean a ‘purchasing liability’ for the one who authorized the work without a signed PO.

      If the work was authorized by a staff member to the contractor without a PO it’s done because the threat of not getting the job done on time is immense. But then when you try to get a check cut for the work afterwards and you didn’t have a signed PO you’re going to have a hard time of it.

      The whole thing is a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario.

  • Bob

    Happy Thanksgiving to you, Tony and all the dedicated commenters on the blog. This has been a safe harbor for me and I’ve leaned so much since reading Tonys articles and interacting with posters. There’s much to be thankful for this year. And 2015 looks like it will be a banner year for clam chowder and McSavage stew.
    Let the festivities begin.

    • Ella Raitch

      It’s been great getting to know you here Bob – even if the ‘evil’ Bob has created some confusion every now and again :)

      • Bob

        Thanks, it’s mutual. I remember when I first started posting. Quite a different attitude now.

        • Missionary Kid

          Now you’re a contributor to my lists. You wouldn’t have done that even a year ago. You also seem happier.

          • Bob

            A proud contributor to your list. And yes I’m happier as I become more myself as I purge more and more Bot-ulism out of my system.

      • Bob

        Thanks, never could figure out how he could sign on with the same name. But he seems long gone.

  • nottrue

    Can’t wait for dessert…..

  • PRenaud

    OK, on a totally different subject and I don’t know if this was posted before, although I’m sure it has, I stumbled on this while perusing through FB and I thought my eyes were gonna pop out… “Scientology: Suspicious Deaths” – Dublin Event re: Evgeni Zarkhin “In 2015 the state of Belgium will open a trial against the Belgium based so called “Church of Scientology.” There’s also a very interesting observation on Biggi Reichert which Marcus Thob considers to be “A NEW LISA MC PHERSON CASE?”

    I don’t know how to post this but it’s on Facebook “Scientology: Suspicious Deaths” – Dublin event, and this is a preview :

    ———————

    Markus Thöß

    19 novembre, à 03:58

    The Clearwater Police Mission Statement

    To consistently provide effective, professional and dependable law enforcement services to every citizen, visitor, and business within the city of Clearwater

    Scientology an US cult business has been controversially discussed in Europe since it arrived in the 1970`s. Now again it is under the focus of the media.
    In 2015 the state of Belgium will open a trial against the Belgium based so called “Church of Scientology. Scientology´s Lobby-workers and intelligence unit OSA went up to Belgium´s King to complain and avoid this trial without an effect. It will take place.
    At the same time Germany is talking of reducing the observation of Scientology by the interior intelligence unit Verfassungschutz. Not quite comprehensible as Germany was one of the European countries in the 90ies fighting a war against Scientology. This war cumulated when Chancellor Helmut Kohl visited Sydney, Australia. He was greeted by Scientologists wearing SS-Uniforms.
    During all this there were several mysterious death cases in the cult. And it still goes on.
    In January 2014 Russian businessmen Evgeni Zarkhin died under very suspicious circumstances at “FLAG“ the so called Headquarter of the Church of Scientology in Clearwater, Florida. He is the last victim in a long row of people who died in Clearwater and are connected with Scientology.
    Evgeni Zarkhin in a Scientology Magazine….

    ————————-

    Markus Thöß

    21 novembre, à 06:02

    A NEW LISA MC PHERSON CASE?

    The Church of Scientology claims to help people with their problems. In this case they have not only failed. They have left a person on its own that had many problems. All of them had to do with the Church.
    She was a OT 8 in the church and had trouble because she signed two staff contracts.
    She had to pay pay and pay until she had spend all of her personal money and very much of her husbands money . She worked and worked for the church and got only a little money. ! All of her out2D problems where with Scientologists.
    Scientology was the reason she had always problems with her family. So if anyone knows something about the people I am looking for, or the time Biggi spent at flag or Hamburg, please do not hesitate to come forward. It would be a great help for my work.!
    Please be assured that not only I, but her family would love to know the truth about what happened to Biggi.
    DM however tried twice to stop me, by hiring British lawyers that tried to stop my films from airing. I and my camera crew personally had been attacked by a former „PI“ and well known visitor of the HAMBURG ORG during my research on this case….

    • Pete Griffiths

      This event will be more publicly announced when we release the trailer.
      https://www.facebook.com/events/596345363824490/

      • PRenaud

        Oh fuck (oops sorry), I hate myself sometimes, I’m too nosy.

        • Pete Griffiths

          Not at all, it’s public already, just waiting for trailer to make a bigger noise about it :)

          • PRenaud

            Thanks Pete.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              But lets try to keep the language G-rated for, Tony and the rest of us. Someone is trying to get us into trouble we don’t quite understand yet. They’ve been giving our investigative journalist heat! Someone we are all thankful for. Thanks, Todd

  • Silence of the Clams

    Thanksgiving, an American “family” day. Perhaps the most ‘un-scientology’ activity imaginable. I’m sure it’s a holiday that is downplayed within the organization.

    However here at the Bunker, I want to extend my most sincere holiday wishes to all of you. IGE never met a single one of you but I feel like I know all of you.

    • C.M.

      Happy Thanksgiving for you too SOC.

  • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

    Oh my!

    The Freewinds is back to Aruba, live on webcam. But there’s a real cruise ship, Adventure of the Sea, parked behind it which looms large!
    http://portarubawebcam.com/

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      Snapshot:

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Wow! “One of these things is not like the other one just doesn’t belong..”

      • C.M.

        Reality check for the clams. Wog orders of magnitude.

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          Or in Space Opera terms: Star Wars, when the rebel blockade runner goes past, and then the Imperial Star Destroyer follows, and follows, and follows…

          • C.M.

            very apt. They will never catch up.

      • Pete Griffiths

        Imagine how embarrassing it must be boarding the Freewinds when surrounded by all those huge glamorous vessels and their passengers looking down at you and smirking?

        • C.M.

          They might even confuse the Fartwinds as being one of the escape vessels for the other ship:)!

          • Pete Griffiths

            “What’s that lifeboat doing down there? Ought we tell the Captain?”

            • C.M.

              LOL 😀

            • Todd Tomorrow

              “Did you see what I just saw? They threw that bloke overboard.”

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I always thought cruise ships were just floating feed lots.

          • Kittery

            Lol, I call them floating petri dishes

      • Mark

        The ‘Adventure’ has cast off! Last night the port people got so bored with the semi-permanent view of the ‘Fartwinds’ they switched their webcam onto a view of Lloyd G Smith Boulevard 😉

      • Eivol Ekdal
        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          So they had two big monsters looking down on them for most of the day.

  • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love
    • http://www.skippress.com/ Skip Press

      What is this Red X stuff – is that was Lil Davey has after spending a weekend with Lil Tommy?

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    Sorry is this disrupts the Thanksgiving pleasantries, but would anyone from Scientology be willing to talk about an ex-member I am looking into? I apologize if this is an inappropriate query.

    • C.M.

      Well, I don’t know Sebastian. The only persons here “from Scientology” almost never say a word as they are spies for the organization. Can you be more specific as to what inquiry you are doing on this Ex-member? We have many ex-members here too.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        I mean to speak to ex-members who have knowledge of other ex-members. The person I am interested in a man named James Humble, who was in Scientology in 25 years but left to start his own cult.

        • C.M.

          I don’t know him personally but a quick search reveals some matches for this name. And this guy indeed started an own organization. Are you in some way victim of him? Or is your interest in him for other reasons?

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            I am not a victim, but I do know his followers have been promoting his… stuff as a cure for autism. Being an autistic person, this offended me and committed me to challenging his group. I have notified several news organizations ahead of his speaking engagements, and this caused Humble some bad publicity when he visited New Zealand earlier this month.

            • C.M.

              MMS or something right? It’s sad that such charlatans still try to mislead people. It enrages me when they make unfounded medical claims.. yuk! Just like Hubbard did. But, you can always e-mail Tony Ortega (proprietor of this site) for more information if no one else can help you out. But be prepared, he might want to check your antecedents. Just safety precautions we all learned to take.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              I did some time ago, but he did not get back to me. I also e-mailed Rinder but I didn’t hear back from him either. I wonder if Marty Rathbun may have heard from him, because from what I have heard Humble left Scientology on bad terms. I have also heard rumors that he ripped off the Xenu story and applied it to himself. Humble’s Genesis II Church is a lot like Scientology in that it sells pseudo-science as a “religion” and has been known to harass critics in the past.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              He uses the Xenu story as his own and claims to cure autism?
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUG7q4pccqU

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Refresh

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              If that is a derogatory joke about autism, I am not laughing.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Not at all! please see my post below. Sorry but the Xenu story is funny! I’m not one to laugh at autism.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Never mind.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Apology accepted.

            • Baby

              Sebastian.. You have to understand Todd has a tender heart. He would never make fun of autism in a hundred years..

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              My apologies to him then.

            • Baby

              I hope you find the person that you are looking for Sebastian. I am sorry that we can’t help you here. love Baby

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Hub claimed to cure everything and was a drug addicted conman. Sounds too familiar but his followers claim ailments are brought on themselves because of their actions. They’ll even claim a baby with AIDS somehow is caused by their state of mind.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Humble says almost anything can be cured with MMS, and he reportedly needed surgery to remove a spinal tumor a few years ago.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              What is, MMS?

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Miracle Mineral Solution — a.k.a. Miracle Mineral Supplement, a.k.a. Master Mineral Solution, a.k.a. industrial-strength bleach.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Ugh, I read something recently about someone giving bleach to sick people but can’t remember the context. A few drops in a gallon of water will clean it enough to drink but is basically dioxin.
              I’m off to work. Good luck with finding out more info.

            • C.M.

              Quite a Hubbard like character he indeed is. silencing critics and claiming academic studies.Bleg yuk, bad guy! Anyway, I cant help you for more information. But maybe you want to post your question on ESMB or WWP.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              ESMB and WWP… what are those?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              ExScientology message board( a good place to start) and Why We Protest

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Okay, good to know. Thank you.

            • FollowTheMoney

              How did you find Tony Ortega, Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun, SLJ? If you google ‘ex’ and ‘scientology’, the two things you said you were looking for, the ex-scientologist message board is the first one that comes up.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Genesis II Church of Health and Healing’s ‘Miracle Mineral Solution …
              Herald Sun-Nov 2, 2014
              Genesis II Church of Health and Healing leader James Humble is coming to Melbourne in mid-November as part of an international tour …
              Healing church accused of poisoning Australians with ‘miracle drug’
              Ecumenical News-Nov 3, 2014
              Four Victorians sick after drinking ‘miracle’ potion
              9news.com.au-Nov 2, 2014
              AMA warns of ‘snake oil’ salesman
              Sky News Australia-Nov 2, 2014’Healing cult with Ebola cure’ accused of poisoning 10 people
              Highly Cited-Daily Mail-Nov 3, 2014

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              I tipped off most of those organizations. It could have been just me, but I would prefer a lot more people got the word out.

            • Missionary Kid

              Good work!

            • Eileen

              You might want to try to work with an advocacy group rather than on your own. The National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (for example) is a coalition of people and families who promote better understanding and work on advocating for issues that affect persons who have a psychiatric diagnosis.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Well, Humble doesn’t just target the mentally ill (autism is not a mental illness, BTW). He pitches his crap as a cure for cancer, AIDS, malaria, and most recently Ebola.

            • Eileen

              Yes, I know that autism is not a mental illness, but I do think that an advocacy group is the best route.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              I’ll consider it, but MMS cures are common knowledge in the autism community. I’m pretty sure they would already know about it.

            • Eileen

              Hope you find a group that can work with you on this issue. We Underground Bunker regulars know the benefit of having support from other people with a common goal!

            • Aslansown

              Shout out to NAMI!! (I used to work there!) I was just about to say the same thing I see Sebastian has already said — that autism isn’t a mental illness. But NAMI is a wonderful group for individuals and family members who are dealing with mental illness. (p.s. now it’s actually the National Alliance on Mental Illness — I’m not sure when the name changed.)

            • Eileen

              Thanks for the update, I like the name change. It directs focus to the issues and not to labeling people. I frequently have NAMI speakers for my classes, they are so impressive!

            • Aslansown

              Exactly — it’s about “person first” language now. People “have” a mental illness vs. “being” mentally ill. I used to speak in a lot of classes – anywhere from middle school to medical school. That was my favorite thing to do – absolutely loved it! Personal stories are the best way to break down stigma.

            • Frodis73

              How cool you worked for them. They are such a valuable resource that I’ve used quite a few times.
              eta: I remember reading in the thread from Johnny Lewis’s dad on IMDB he was pushing CCHR as a great source for help. GAG.

            • Aslansown

              Gag is right! Ugh.

              It was really neat to be able to work for NAMI and see how much help and support people received. I’m glad it was so helpful for you.

            • C.M.

              And do more of such actions. and find actual victims of him who are willing to speak out to the media. And maybe some lawyer can pick up a case when there is actual physical damage as a direct result of his medical claims. I know… its a long way uphill, and a dirty job, but it will be rewarding if you could prevent more people being victimized.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Hopefully, the journalists will have better resources than I in tracking down victims. The thing is, a lot of the people who are poisoned or killed by MMS go unreported. I do know of one confirmed death, but there can’t be only one.

            • C.M.

              Good journalist are good at prying, find one who is wiling to pick up this story. Media exposure usually gets, otherwise silenced victims, to speak out. I think you are taking on a brave job, and I wish I had more knowledge to help you.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Media exposure will be easy. I will go to Why We Protest next. Thank you for what you could do.

            • C.M.

              Thank you for doing what you do Sebastian! Its incredibly courageous. I applaud people who will take action if they see charlatans coning people. I wish you lots of strength and success with your quest.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Okay, I’ve gotten in touch with some people on the ex-Scientology forum. There is no confirmation yet about Humble’s involvement in Scientology, but his daughter (Paris Humble-Chavez) has a lot of IAS articles posted to her Facebook profile.

            • Sydjazz

              Oh yeah the bleach drink. Grr

        • Sydjazz

          Grr as a mum of a child with autism saying they are mental really gets my goat. They are just wired differently and different is good :)

          • TheQueenofBulgravia

            yes, Sj, Human neurological wiring is like snow-flakes, every person is wonderfully different. :)

        • Frodis73

          I can’t help you out, but thanks for alerting me to another whacka doo!

  • Tony Ortega

    Thank for that, Jesse! Another great detail in place.

  • Sydjazz

    Yeah he rocks!

  • Sydjazz

    Happy thanksgiving to all my bunkerites. Refresh. This scientology stuff is just imploding in front of our eyes. Pretty cool huh :)

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush
    • Missionary Kid

      I share your skepticism that TC wrote Kidman any such letter. She’s an SP, and $cientology is not known for being apologetic.

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        I’m surprised that he could write a sentence, let alone 4 pages…. the gossip media are just fucking with him because they no longer fear him; it’s going to a veritable feeding frenzy when MI5 comes out I reckon

    • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

      Excellent article in Danish linked to in your post, well spotted : http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/historier/scientology/

      EDIT: And that’s just one of several stories in this weekend’s edition: http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/scientology

      Oh, and the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology answers the question “Why are Co$ members accompagnied to their banks when they take out loans?” by saying that some courts have found that the fund raising methods of the Co$ are just a-OK. Yeah right! The courts in France found that the whole product was just a gigantic fraud, that’s what the courts found…

  • C.M.

    Great to have you commenting here Jesse! Maybe, if you have some time to spare every now and then, you could comment some more?

    Sometimes there are details missing, like this one, that can only be filled by the ones who were right there.

    And as far as I know, you were one of those who had contact with Hubbard during his last days.

    I respectfully request some more presence of you in the bunker.

  • Andrew Robertson

    Christian Stolte’s gone out of his way – to spoil Chairman Dave’s big day,

    With prose both succinct and terse – can COB’s Thanksgiving get worse?

    Karin Pouw could step in, with her charm and her spin,

    ‘twould be better to stay far away.

    Andrew

    • Captain Howdy

      Happy I’m Thankful I’m Not A Scientologist Day, Andrew!

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    if you look hard enough you can find a cult connection in the most nefarious of things… the OJ Simpson case? … yep! Remember Marcia Cross the prosecuting DA?… apparently she was married to Gordon Clark, described as a High Priest in the Church of Scientology (I love the internet)

    pic

    • Missionary Kid

      That would explain why their divorce was so acrimonious, wouldn’t it?

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        makes you wonder if he was a plant to get close to what the DA gets up to… I mean, what better insider info then to be married to an LA DA … anywhere else this would be considered ridiculous but given what we know it sounds right up what the cult would do.

        • Missionary Kid

          IIRC, they were divorced well before the Simpson trial, and because of her long work hours on the case, he tried to use it against her to get custody of the kid(s?).

          Wasn’t Gordon an attorney, too?

          • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

            nah, “Her life changed rapidly. In 1980, she married Gordon Clark, a computer engineer and an executive in the Church of Scientology, and took his name.”

            but did notice this during the search

            John ‘Jack’ Gordon Clark (1926–1999) was a Harvard psychiatrist known for his research on the alleged damaging effects of cults.[1]

            He was the target of harassment from the Church of Scientology after he testified against it to the Vermont legislature in 1976.[2]

            In 1985, Clark received the Cult Awareness Network’s Leo J. Ryan Award, named for the California congressman murdered in Jonestown. The Psychiatric Times, when naming him 1991 psychiatrist of the year, described him as “a quiet, courageous man of conviction, who was fighting an all-too-lonely and unappreciated battle against well-financed, ruthless organizations.”

            • Robert Eckert

              Ah, so he was an EX-Scilon. Very different from the first impression that you gave.

            • Missionary Kid

              Those are two different Gordon Clarks, I believe.

            • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

              they’re two different people… when I did the search for “Gordon Clark scientology” I noticed a “John ‘Jack’ Gordon Clark ” in the search list and just added it for interest. I have no idea whether her ex is still in or not… maybe some other might know.

    • http://www.skippress.com/ Skip Press

      I used to see Marcia shopping at the Ralph’s near me. She got rich and split. Now we have Paul Giamiatti shopping there, apparently he lives here.

    • Captain Howdy

      Marcia Clark

      • Robert Eckert

        Clark was the married name, Cross the maiden name.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        “Marcia Clark is melting in the dark. All that great DNA evidence slowed her down. Someone left the bloody glove out in the rain. But the jury didn’t buy it,cause it took so long for OJ to fit it and she’ll never be able to have chance to convict him again…”

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      “The Prosecuters”? [sic]

  • Jimmy3

    Happy Black Friday to all the Bunker-folk. Remember: if you’re not trampling, you’re getting trampled.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m staying home or working.

      • Jimmy3

        You may still be trampled at home or at work. Stay safe.

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks.

    • Jo

      Can’t be arsed, hoping that isn’t one of those banned words. They started doing the black Friday thing here a couple of years ago, maybe more, not sure, I maybe missed it? Anyway if there selling stuff so cheap, it must be rubbish.

  • thetastic

    Wait……Karen Pouw is real?

  • thetastic

    On this Thanksgiving: thank you for Tony. Thank you for the commenters here, all of who do so much more than comment, whether they know it or not. Thank you for my health, which was rattled last week in a frightening way but is now blessedly OK. Thank you for my family’s health, especially my husband’s, as he has been such an inspiration since his weight loss surgery in April.
    And on a less, thankful note, no thanks for the agonizing pain that informed me that eating gravy is a no-no after having my gallbladder out last week! I know I should have known better, but holy whoa, that pain is no joke! Back to oatmeal and fruit, I guess.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I had my gallbladder removed about 10 yrs ago. The gall bladder attack was one of the first pains I ever endured.

      I thought the recovery from the laparoscopic surgery was awful for the first two or three days.
      You have my empathy.

      Take care of yourself.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Thankful you are here with your family. Gall blabber attacks can be fatal if not caught!

        • Eclipse-girl

          That is news to me.

          During the attack, the pain is incredible.
          You know that something is wrong.
          Because the pain is so intense you suspect something like appendicitis

          Each attack eventually subsided, for me. The gall stone that was blocking the duct finally moved.

          I was lucky in the the gall stones did move.
          I could have an ultrasound to confirm the suspicion of a gall bladder attack.
          Surgery was required but also not an emergency.

          The recovery from the surgery was miserable because for two or three days, you have to just stay in bed.
          Your abdomen is filled with air during the surgery and if you stand or sit upright, the sir in your middle starts rising and pushing up you shoulders,etc.
          You get incredible shoulder and neck pains.

          • thetastic

            Yeah, my surgeon told me I could have died. I was supposed to just have the gallbladder out, hut they found my duct riddled with stones. Had them removed the next day. The periodicals in between was agonizing, it was gallbladder spasms on a sore surgical site. Now I am having the pains again and am afraid they are going to have to stent my duct. Boo. The saga continues.

            • Eclipse-girl

              That sounds miserable. That pain was intense. I would not wish that anyone.

              Please take care of yourself. My gall bladder was also riddled with stones.

              I am lucky, I haven’t had any issues since the surgery.

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    a scientolog thanksgiving

    pic

    also Photos from Thanksgiving dinner at the Fort Harrison Hotel today http://seccheck.wordpress.com/2014/11/28/happy-thanksgiving-from-scientology/

    • Lynn Fountain Campbell

      Those look like pictures of the dining areas for public. What about staff? What did they get for dinner?

  • edge

    From Canada, thank you for this blog Tony. It’s one of my most regularly frequented sites. To all the US Bunkerites, Happy Thanksgiving! Remember to buy local on Friday! That $25 or so you save likely isn’t worth the time, the lineup, the trampling, the fender-bender, the cussing and being cussed at.

    • Sejanus

      How right you are!
      I have never been one to do the Black Friday turmoil even though I am close to the border.

  • ItsIBBy

    Hello friends, I know I am late to the party, but I wanted to pop in and say that I am thankful for my bunker friends, and the never ins, the exes, the anons, and all that give voice to the voiceless.

    Heres to the firey downfall of the cult and the reuniting of families sooner than later

  • Pierrot

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    • Graham

      Presumably this one is not Scieno? http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/evs/4776781530.html

      One of the pics shows booklets to be given out. These are by “*General* Hafeeza” who seems to be some kind of Christian? http://www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=Cd99PRZsBoA

      • Pierrot

        Thank Graham,
        general Hafeeza (she) is a NOI and uses co$ “life improvements” tech & literature.

        • Graham

          Thanks Pierrot. This stuff gets everywhere- like dog-s*** on the shoe.

      • Pierrot

        Hi Robert & Graham,
        Thanks for reporting non clams ads. I must confess that having done the extract & posting I do not quality control too well especially all the ads that came through while I sleep. I have devised a small procedure for you and anybody else
        to use, it highlights any counter ads and disables any non clam ads.
        The RedXQualControl Spreadsheet.
        Insert the URLs (links) from row 4 onward, leave 3 as an example (non activated). If it is a counter ad type a “y” in column B, for non-clam
        leave column B blank.
        After each trawling session a script will run and highlight or disable any reported link and will refresh the RedXQualControl sheet by removing all the links acted upon.
        Check it out and book mark it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JeHAt90vgq-BXK0Pa0Bs_XCc70drm7m3DruKcBG5Yd8/edit?pli=1#gid=0

        Thanks for your help and dedication.

        • Graham

          Pierrot- can you see the look of panic on my face? This would make as much sense to me if it were in Serbo-Croat. Sadly I’m going to have to stick to mindlessly plodding through the Re-Xing whilst I slowly wake up with my morning cup of tea. Hopefully Dodo might understand your instructions? (Sorry for being a techno-wimp).

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    I pronounce this the winner of Thanksgiving photos from the net tonight

  • Anonymous

    The reign of Miscavige does flow from the policies of Hubbard, which form the culture of abuse that is engulfing Scientology…agreed.

  • Globetrotter

    The Hollywood Inn building used to be staff (mostly executive and CMO as it was the nicer one of the two) accommodations some years ago, for those who worked in the Hollywood Guarantee Building (middle management + CMO + a whole dedicated floor for RTC and Miscavige’s luxury suites). I haven’t been around there for quite a few years, but does this mean they moved the staff out of the Hollywood Inn when they started the renovations and made the building (or just the first floor…?) into a “test center”? Where did the hundreds of staff who stayed there go? Or their are so few staff members left in middle management now that they all fit in the other apartment building (the Anthony Building a few miles away)? Or they installed 10 more bunk beds in each dorm and crammed the whole staff in there? Crammed them into the PAC buildings on L. Ron Hubbard Way? Does anyone know the story?

  • Jgg2012

    As for the building, I’ll start the bidding at $5.

  • anonymous

    Gee, I wonder what Tom and Dave do in that building.