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HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Surviving Scientology podcast: Former treasury employee Mat Pesch spills the beans

Amy Scobee and Mat Pesch

Amy Scobee and Mat Pesch

In November 2012, we broke a big story with the help of Mat Pesch. At that time, former church executive Marty Rathbun had testified in court that Scientology had spent about $30 million in order to influence officials and get the church out of a criminal prosecution over the 1995 death of Scientologist Lisa McPherson. It was an explosive allegation by Rathbun, who was under oath when he said it.

Pesch then came forward and gave us corroborating information: He was the treasury secretary of the Flag Service Organization (FSO), and said he watched $20 million drained from that Scientology entity in order to fuel the campaign Rathbun was talking about.

Pesch was in the right place to witness a lot of Scientology’s more nefarious activities. And that really comes through in a new interview he did with Jeffrey Augustine. Give it a listen when you have time to hear the full hour…

 

 
Today, Mat lives in the state of Washington with his wife, Amy Scobee, herself a top former Scientology executive, author of the memoir Abuse at the Top, and a longtime friend to the Underground Bunker.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on July 21, 2014 at 07:00

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  • RBE

    Inurement Schmurement (refresh)

    • DodoTheLaser

      Because inurement applies even to the Ecclesiastical President of Earth.

      • Observer

        He demands it, in fact.

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          For his birthday, my precious.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Because insurement, like harassing, stalking and protecting pedophiles, is David Miscavige’s ecclesiastical, sacramental right.

  • i-Betty

    I feel utterly spoiled when we have a new podcast to listen to. The plan had been to paint the stairs wall this afternoon but that can wait now.

    • Sir_Real

      I know which one I’d choose and sure wouldn’t be the painting!!

      • i-Betty

        I’m hoping that if I glare hard enough at the wall it will paint itself? :D

        • Observer

          Scientology can help you with that.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            owe me a coffee

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X *** Monday the 21st of July
    Good morning Bunkerites, WWP has been up since I do not know when.
    Apparently, the problem has to do with the *S* inhttps://

    For the time being, because of ALERTS etc we prefer using the WWP link for the daily list:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2472833

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    Ty car

  • DodoTheLaser

    Mat Pesch?! Oh, boy. Scientology is screwed.

  • i-Betty

    Here’s a link to the complete Little Dickie series written by Mat Pesch and Amy Scobee when they were still under the radar: http://www.scientology-cult.com/mr-peacock.html

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks for this link, i-Betty. Oh, and you don’t even want to mess with Amy :)

      • i-Betty

        Hur hur :P *nervously*

        • joan nieman

          Ha ha!

    • joan nieman

      Thanks for the link Betty.

  • Narapoid

    I haven’t listened to what I am sure is a terrific interview, but it makes me think of Mosey Rathbun’s Harassment case. Pesch can testify to $20 mil and Marty said 30 was spent in 1990s money for Lisa’s tragedy, how much is getting thrown in Texas? 17 lawyers including the freshly retired Chief Justice of the State of Texas and his brother, their staff, Private Investigators on top of the 3 years of evil harassment that prompted the case.

    My wild guess: $4 million to hassle the Rathbun’s for 3 years and $20 million in legal expense (so far). No wonder they put guards, er “body routers” at the doors of the IAS money events.

  • Karen de la Carriere

    First of all I take full responsibility for permitting Alexander Jentzsch to be be born and raised in the cult. He died at 27 years old of pneumonia and methadone 2 years ago.
    Tony Ortega helped me through my glum period and gave Alexander recognition and a kind of memorial on this blog.

    Alexander had no anti-biotics which cures 95% of pneumonia. Office of Special Affairs had manipulated him to disconnect from me. He did not have a medical diagnosis ! He took methadone after 3 Purification Rundowns and 16 years in the Sea Organization.
    I will always be grateful to Mat Pesch for sending me this Email.
    The Church hid the sexual molestation from Clearwater PD and Heber Jentzsch (father) and me
    Here it is ~~

    Hello Marty and Karen,

    This is Mat Pesch, husband of Amy Scobee. I have some additional information on the transfer of Alexander from Clearwater to L.A. Karen mentioned on your blog the slave labor of Alexander
    Jentzsch when he cleaned the Fort Harrison toilets and lobby with no schooling
    when he was 11 and 12 years old for well over a year.

    While Alexander was a minor living at the QI (Quality Inn – where the S.O. children lived) he was the victim of what
    is termed statutory rape, legally. A woman named Marie Warren who was about 40
    years old and who worked as a Dept 5 FSO Letter Registrar took Alexander, still
    a child and had sexual intercourse in the bathroom of her QI dorm while her 2
    roommates were asleep. His mother Karen was in Los Angeles. Heber was up lines
    at Int base. This was 1996.

    The authorities were not informed and
    both parties were immediately gotten out of the state of Florida.

    Mary was sent to the RPF in Los
    Angeles and was subsequently found unfit for the Sea Org and dismissed.
    Alexander was transferred to California to work for the church
    there.

    The reason I know this is because I
    was the Treasury Secretary of the Flag Service Org (FSO) at the time. As such, I
    was briefed on the situation and asked to immediately provide the funding needed
    for the airfare to get Heber’s son out of town because a rape has occurred. He
    has to quickly be gotten out of the jurisdiction where the felony (statutory
    rape) occurred. I talked to Tom DeVocht yesterday (who was the CO CMO CW at that
    time) and he also recalls the incident and corroborates this
    story.

    The OSA drill for this sort of thing
    goes something like this:

    1. Convince both parties that they are
    responsible and grossly out ethics, they have put the church at risk and they
    need to withhold what happened. “For the great good…cover up anything that
    might not be good “PR” for the Church”

    2. Get both parties immediately
    out of the state, in this case Florida.

    3. Follow up to keep the “flap”
    secret and/or make it go away.

    Marie Warren went to the PAC RPF and
    after things settled down she was Fitness Boarded out of the Sea
    Org.

    The above gives additional data on why Alexander was moved to
    L.A.. There are many reasons why
    OSA is currently showing Alexander such
    “love” per Karen’s post on Marty’s web site: He is the son of Heber, he
    experienced child labor law violations, he experienced the “abortion drill” and
    he experienced the “OSA drill” for children that are sexually abused. All of
    these abuses have recently been being exposed by Marty, Mike and
    others.

    Because he was the son of the President, Church of Scientology
    International and had just been raped by a 40 year old, I was asked to come up
    with the money for plane fare IMMEDIATELY to get him out of Florida, and out of
    the jurisdiction of the crime.

    The above also might be an additional
    aspect to Heber and Alexander being kept apart for 6 years.

    Mat Pesch

    • DodoTheLaser
      • Karen de la Carriere

        ((((((((((((((((((((((DodotheLaser)))))))))))))))))

    • i-Betty

      Oh, Karen :(

      I love you x

      Mat, thank you.

      • Mat Pesch

        i-Betty, You are welcome. Part 2 will be later this week. I hope you enjoy it.

    • Observer

      This alone should be grounds for the IRS to revoke Scientology’s tax exemption. I’m so sorry, Karen.

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Observer, I always feel acknowledged by you, Thank you !

    • NOLAGirl

      We will never forget Karen. I promise. xoxox

      • Karen de la Carriere

        NOLAGirl
        ******hugggggggggggs******

        • ThetaBara

          This is so much Why. SFAnon has a sign with Alexander’s picture and we too will never forget.

        • NOLAGirl

          (((((HUGS)))))) right back at you. :D xoxoxo

        • NOLAGirl

          Sending much love your way Karen. XOXOXO

    • Elar Aitch

      You’ve paid a very high price for belief, indeed, Karen

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Yes Elar. That kind of sums it up succinctly.
        Henry Thoreau, American Philosopher said:
        “The cost of something is what I call LIFE required to pay for it, immediately, or in the long run”.
        I’ve thought about many a time.

        • DodoTheLaser

          But not like that…

    • 0tessa

      It is apparently Scientology ‘ethics’ to cover up a serious crime against a child.
      Scientology’s ‘reputation’ is more important than a child’s life.
      Scientology is criminal and rotten to the core.
      I sincerely hope that one of these days you as his mother will have the satisfaction to see Scientology go down. Then at least some justice will have be done.

      • joan nieman

        Oh yes!

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Otessa, you nailed it.
        Public Relations is more important !
        They have their priorities and stick to it :(

      • indie8million

        Otessa – You are so right about it being rotten to the core.

        Because these young women are now teenagers and I don’t know if they are aware of what happened, I am not saying who the culprit is but, my dear friend went to the MAA and told him that her husband had molested her two young girls, both under 4 or 5 at the time. Was anything done about the man who was (pardon the graphic description) masterbating his penis with (between) these little girl’s legs? Not an F’ing thing. One of these two girls was this man’s own flesh and blood and the other, the little girl’s half sister.

        Incredibly, not only was he never brought to the law nor handled in ethics, the MOM was given all sorts of trouble and considered ethics bait for making such a big fuss about it!! The mom is out now, thank God, but he’s still, last time I saw him, working with OTCs and being a happy, happy, helping Scientologist.

        So, why am I out? Let me count the ways, starting with these two little girls and their mom.

        And, Karen; Alexander was not the only one harmed by this insanity. You and Heber are just as much the victims of this crime as Alexander. Talk about an enforced can’t have. In spades, lovely person that you are. In spades.

        • 0tessa

          It seems that Scientologists, especially the sea org members, lose somehow their normal moral compass. It has been replaced by a very narrow Scientology compass, that has as guiding principle: the survival of Scientology justifies all means, including murder, child abuse and slavery. It is the moral compass of dictators, criminals and thugs in general. For certain it is the compass of their master, dear leader Miscavige.

          • Peter

            A brilliant statement of fact.

            • 0tessa

              :)

    • Sergeant Pepper

      Whenever I feel I could not be any more revolted and disgusted with the cherch of $cientology, I discover another menacing facet of it’s evil.
      Here’s hoping for justice for Alexander and all the victims of this cult.

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Many thanks and bright blessings to you Sergeant Pepper.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thank you for sharing your story, Karen. It can’t be easy, and yes, Mat’s courage to seek you out and try to help some healing by giving you the truth, I admire him so much for this. This is a criminal psychotic organization with billions to buy off justice.

      You have honored Alex’s memory every single day in such an amazing way. You are saving lives every week. I hope you find some strength in this knowledge.

      • Karen de la Carriere

        I am moved and touched by your kind words more than you know.
        Thank you TheHoleDoesNotExist

    • Toni m

      Dear Karen; When I found a receptive ear I tell the story of a mom that got disconnected from his only son. How this beautiful kid died because of lack of medical assistance. How this mom was denied the right to see her son when he died….
      The work you are doing is saving many future moms to get involve with this evil “church” and have to experience what happened to you. My daughter is one of them, she doesn’t want to do anything with this cult.
      I’m glad you have your wonderful husband next to you in this fight. Both of you are helping a lot of good people to get out/or never get in.
      Thanks, you are so open with your pain, it is not easy I know but believe me Karen it gets to the inside of our hearts, we love and admire you more each time.
      Thank you Mr Ortega, the way you manage your site and your hard work to bring justice to moms/dads like Karen draw many good people that I/we are glad and honor to welcome to our lives.

      • joan nieman

        Karen, we will always stand by you and all those who work hard to expose the crimes of this so-called cherch. Sending much love to you and thank you for carrying on in this fight. Above all else, we must save the children.

      • Karen de la Carriere

        My dear Toni,
        Thank you for your kindness and empathy. Much appreciated.

    • Sidney18511

      Your strength is amazing. As a mother of 3 myself I could not imagine going on with my life if I lost one of my girls.
      The COS fooled a lot of people, I don’t doubt that Alex would of seen through the lies eventually. He did not have enough time. The COS is responsible for his death..
      You are now using all your time and talents to bring this cult to its end.
      Alex would be proud.

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Sidney my dear, thank you for your friendship and all our exchanges.

    • Frank Lee

      Karen, as a “never in”, who married someone raised in Scientology, we have far more in common than you might believe including the sexual abuse of a child. You are doing your son’s memory justice by opening up this wound for others who may be warned, or confirming their personal experiences. Try not to blame yourself for the things you didn’t know, or the betrayal of your trust. Continue to expose the ultimate consuming evil that is Scientology, the lives you save cannot be measured.

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Thank you very very much Frank Lee for your kindness and understanding.

    • KNMF

      May that horrible cult drop into a Florida sink hole.
      It is ALWAYS worse than one imagines.
      And there is no way they can or will ever reform. They passed the point of no return a long time ago.

    • OrangySky

      God Karen, how much more can a mother bear. Please remember you are doing his memory proud, in your relentless fight and exposure of CO$’ crimes. You were not able to fight for him then, but you are fighting for him – and a thousand more Alexanders – now. His memory will stand for something. Bless you.

      • Karen de la Carriere

        OrangySky
        Thank you and Bright Blessings !

    • Lori Hodgson

      Big (((hugs))) for you, Karen! ❤️

    • Bob

      Thanks Matt. This aligns with the court case in Australia that Jan Eastgate was involved in. The opportunity for abuse is certainly there when children are neglected within an organization like this. It’s hard to imagine how hard it must have been for Alexander to live with that secret and thinking he was to blame.
      Once a person or organization starts lying they have guaranteed that they will have no future. They will always be stuck at the point that the lie was covered up. Clamatology is like Gulliver when he became pinned down by the Lilliputians. In this case though with every passing hour more lies are added and more strands and stakes. Scn is going to be flattened soon by their own criminal cover ups. I know it is exasperating to watch this group of Scieborgs and Sciebots continue to pray of many well meaning individuals. That why there are many of us out there now who are unrelenting in our efforts to see justice done.

      • Mooser

        What on earth was the woman (“Marie Warren”) trying to accomplish? What on earth did she expect to gain from this? I can think of some very disturbing possibilities, but can’t bring myself to put them into words.

        • Bob

          There is so much sexual repression in the cult that it is a pressure cooker and the steam comes off in some pretty nasty ways. I met the women many years ago and she was a piece of work.

        • joan nieman

          A false power I imagine Mooser, and a sick, demented attitude.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          I saw Marie Warren on the PAC RPF in 2000 to 2003, she had a permanent sadness and disconnect a horrible stain, something a writer would be able to describe better. One thing is only the person’s “twin” (co-confessor, co-Truth Rundown giver/receiver) learn of the actual indiscretions, thankfully.

          People who hit the RPF for the really heinous human indiscretions have permanent scars that nothing can remove, it is real permanent human indiscretion tragedy wrong decisions.

          Scientology Hubbard I don’t think has a way of dealing with the victims or the transgressors.

          Life’s tragedies are not handled in so many ways, by Scientology’s methods and rules, that’s for sure.

          • Anonymous

            One of the empowering effects of the freedom to communicate about events inside Scientology provided by sites like The Bunker is the realization that even with all of Scientology “tech” and “policy” being applied to Sea Org and other Scientology staff, the same human frailties / failings manifest in those folks, just as they do in the wog world.

            It is hard to imagine a more complete indictment of the unworkability of Scientology…it cannot even prevent / heal human tragedy among those by whom it is most vigorously applied.

      • Mat Pesch

        Bob, I totally agree with you. Thank you for all you are doing and caring about the abuse.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Kisses and Hugs, Karen … may your strength continue on in the fight for justice for Alexander and every other victim there ever was. xx

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Thank you sooooooooooooooooooooo much EnthralledObserver

    • FromPolandWithLove

      So difficult to find words… It is so terribly sad. Hold on, You are inspiration for so many!

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Thank you for your kind words which I deeply appreciate,

    • aquaclara

      I am so sorry for your pain and loss, Karen. I wish there had been someone to protect your son, much as you are doing now for those in need of hugs and help. I hope your strength continues to run deep, for your work is helping so many more escape from so many levels of hell.

      We will not forget Alexander. What a sweet boy. *HUGS*

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Thank you my dear Aquaclara.
        There are times I feel like a Superbug.
        I already had the hits but my immune system has never been stronger
        if you know what I mean.

    • Sibs

      I hope you don’t mind if I copy and paste this post to save it in my journal for future reference. Especially if what I’m writing finally sees the light of day and Scientology complains that they’re being depicted as horrible child abusers. “Oh, really? Then why don’t we talk about Alex?”

      My gut reaction on reading this letter is just… ugh. My heart breaks for Alex, and it breaks for you for having to bear all of this pain. At least with everything you’re doing now – all of these interviews and videos, telling us your story – you’re saving future kids from this cult.

      • ThetaBara

        The light of day and I are really looking forward to your writing. :-)

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Sibs.
        Bless your heart and kindness. :)

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I am so sorry Karen, my heart goes out to you. What a senseless tragedy that Alexander died without medical care. Negligence. And failing to report rape of a child is illegal.

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Alexander with his slave labor was only one child who’s story is being told. Many suffered the same. Jenna Miscavige tells about Life at the “Ranch”. John Lindstein sued for his slave labor as a child and the Church, fearing the dirty laundry be aired settled out of court to make it all go away. Sometimes it is so bad, so dirty, so despicable that you shake your head in disbelief.

    • Verve

      All I can say is I wish none of this ever happened to you. I don’t have the words to explain how I feel for your tragedies.

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Verve. Thank you. In some strange away it has made me stronger, more resilient and I will get justice for Alexander in my own way…

    • CobGatYour$$

      Karen has definetly paid dearly for her belief in Scientology at the cost of her marriage, and loss of sons life. Still, no one, nor the mother and especially THE CHILDREN of these culties, deserve this kind of end. Yes, Karen is probably saving other families by bringing the necessary media attention that is starting the apocalypse and destruction of this VILE CULT! All of you who have been in the “sleaze bag org,” who have had kids, and are now out: AT THE RISK OF DISCONNECTION MAKE A COLLECTIVE LOUD NOISE TO THE AUTHORITIES ABOUT THE ABUSES OF CHILDREN. Many voices have power, just look how far gay people claimed their god given rights, and changed the publics perception of how not important the person you sleep with predetermines your right to hold jobs, get equal pay, and have equal benefits under the law. Every time I hear the story of children being sacrificed to the dwarf, I want to kill the parents. What happens to the maternal extinct in scientology? IS IT “Cleared out of the reactive mind??

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Thank you COBGatYour$$
        The Dallas Morning news caught the story of Spanky and the cruelty to a pregnant mother in the “Church” of SCIENTOLOGY
        This was not an isolated case
        http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/2014/07/scientology-revelations-that-will-stick-with-you-forever.html/

        • CobGatYour$$

          With all of these stories of horrific child abuse, NO ONE REPORTS IT? What kind of world does someone shove 12 babies for 1 caregiver? Who on earth allows this? 25 million dollars to make a murder go away, and the state authorities do nothing? IRS targeting political groups, instead of getting their money from the true tax thieves? If this were a movie (based on these true stories) no one would believe all these transgressions took place!

    • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

      Karen, that first sentence you wrote has just been tearing me up all day. It is amazing to watch you go on despite what you’ve been through.

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Well Nat-lificent, stay with me, I have amazing new guests and new insights coming in due course.

    • indie8million

      Hi Karen – I didn’t know that Alexander was taking morphine. Does anyone know why? Was he given morphine for the pain and, if he hadn’t gone to the dr, who gave it to him? Couldn’t they be liable for his death if it was given without a dr’s prescription?

      Also, I’m sure we would all like to know how karma treats the family who let him die and wouldn’t allow you to see him after his death. Please keep us posted on that.

  • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

    I wonder how long it’ll be before someone comes forward to say:
    “I watched them drain $20M to keep Miscavige out of Texas.”
    “We blew $40M trying to save Narconon.”

    (Those kind of amounts are huge if they come from the operational flow which scrimps to keep the lights on, but should be pocket change from Miscavige’s reserves.)

  • Krew13

    I know I’m a little late to the party regarding the disappointing news about Slappy getting out of being deposed, and as I don’t have time to read all the comments posted about it, I just wanna know if anyone else thinks there were Sciloon shenanigans behind the decision? Seems an extreme decision to say Waldrip exceeded his authority.

    On the bright side, still great to see Slappy looking sickly recently. Nicely thin and ill looking.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Less optimistically, Krew, there are shots of Dave ‘Little Dicke’ Miscabbage from the made-in voyage Fleawinds events of the past few weekends over at WWP with Slappy looking far healthier and robust even. (don’t have the link to post)

      • NOLAGirl

        Max, do remember which section of WWP those photos were in? I can finally get to the site but couldn’t find them.

        • MaxSpaceman

          I’ll search my browser hx. Yeah- you won’t believe it. 100% opposite of the awful-ness his sociopathic visage had in Sydney video tech rehearsal. I was really surprised.

    • ze moo

      Slappy hasn’t escaped deposition yet, just for now. The door is open for it if more discovery shows any connection between the dwarfenführer and the squirrel busters or any other group hounding the Rathbuns. The ‘we are a religion’ and ‘we are a business’ stuff is a dichotomy that is causing problems for all the clam lawyers. In the meantime, the Rathbuns still have an injunction baring PI surveillance, I am sure they are enjoying the peace and quiet. That is also a victory.

    • chukicita

      It’s not over yet.

  • i-Betty

    At around 33:47 when Matt starts chuckling with disbelief I found myself grinning along with him and Jeff. But this subject is nasty! Humans are incredible in their ability to find humour in the darkest subject matter.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That’s nervous laughter:)

      • i-Betty

        You’re right, as always :) 41:32 made me roar with laughter. They’re like a pair of naughty school boys.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Yeah, that’s the real stuff, with an ever present, underlying roar of relief.

  • NOLAGirl

    That’s $cientology for ya, they kill a woman and her family is “trailer trash” because they want justice. So very ecclesiastical.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    “I would’a left one of my legs there.”

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Little Dickie’s Bedtime Stories were riveting. Anyone who hasn’t read them, this is Rabbit Hole Central. Thank you for this interview, Mat. Imagine if every FBO and Sea Org Treas Sec came together for a summit to compare notes. Wow, there’s a DM nightmare. Miscavige may have an army of $1000/hr billables, but just one FBO can bring down a brigade. Mat and Amy have stepped up to the plate long before air cover was in place. For all the bravado and arrogant bragging of status by wealth waste, these two are real humanitarians, the real deal. They could have walked away.

    Staff as coins. Yes, dehumanizing in every way. In scientology opposite world, the higher your value, the most visible a target. Sick, but that’s the simply stripped down facts of it. At first you can get by with getting extra perks, less penalties, as a cat and mouse game I guess you would call it. Then you get slammed, picked apart and lessened in any way possible, then thrown back on post a little more agreeable, a bit more controlled. These stretches shorten over the years until your coin value is used up and you wind up saving the world by cleanning rat crap out of moldy tunnel pipes. (No, I did not stick around for this level).Those who were proficient in construction and renovations and any real world skills used to be part of the untouchables. As the cult burns, now even the whales can’t buy a Get Out of Ethics pass. Scientology is aging out, limping into oblivion, the last whale trophy rolled out on a gurney.

    Mat reminds listeners how compartmented Sea Org are even inside the maze, not just cut off from the outside world and information. The Lisa McPherson PR snowjob is not atypical. This is why every member’s story is of immeasurable value to so many. We all were immersed and marinated in such vast false and twisted propaganda that it becomes a major educational pursuit to surgically remove the embedded shards. These are not benign bits and pieces of misinformation; they fester and poison if not discovered, examined and extracted and healed with a massive dose of truth.

    FP Finance Planning — yep, the stuff of nightmares. Mat discovered what happens if you try to impose sound financial common sense. That’s a fast, fool’s ride to hell. At least 70% goes up lines since I remember, even more in the 80′s. Pure profit, unsustainable, and another reason scientology is dead. Miscavige is wealthy, not CofS, not any members, nor any of it’s tentacles. Just Dave.

    This is another tale of the inhumane, daily abuse that whales and celebrities are supporting. These are the stories they need to hear. This is yet more evidence: scientology is nothing more than making a sociopath billions in dollars by thousands of slaves and a handful of narcissists. Nothing more. This is why when I hear Any reference to this monster as a religion or a therapy, I recoil and cringe. No one jumps for joy and relief the moment they leave religion or therapy. Great and important interview. Thanks Jeff and Mat (and Amy:).

    Hubbard and Miscavige treated their dogs better than their slaves.

    http://i.imgur.com/eyajv2I.jpg?1

    • Richard Grant

      Damn, THDNE — you are on fire this morning.

      “Scientology is aging out, limping into oblivion, the last whale trophy rolled out on a gurney.”

      This is a truly inspired rant. Thank you.

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        All aboard! We be hunting the last Great White Whale!

      • joan nieman

        I agree. Excellent rant and so very colorful THDNE painted a very clear picture.

    • 1subgenius

      “…the last whale trophy rolled out on a gurney.”
      (refresh?)

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Gah! There goes my morning workout zen! Gahhhhhhh

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        The GAT II Purif did wonders for Tom Cruise!

    • Mat Pesch

      Well said. I’m glad you liked the interview.

  • NOLAGirl

    Another fantastic interview Jeff. Thank you Mat for speaking your truth.

  • Prim torturer

    Great interview of brave people.

    The phone number of the FBI for aid for human trafficking victims such as ex-sea org members is 1-888-428-7581.

    The U.S. government is trying to stop a very serious problem—the problem of human trafficking. We are giving you this information because we want you to know that everybody in the United States has rights and is protected by our laws. Freedom is one of the most important rights. In the United States, no one—matter how powerful that person may be in the United States or in another country—has the right to force other people to work.

    No one can:
    Force you to work against your will;
    Collect a debt by using threats or forcing you to work to pay the debt;
    Force you to work using threats to harm you or your family;
    Force or pressure you into prostitution or to do other sexual acts;
    Use you for any kind of sex work if you are under 18;
    Take away your passport, birth certificate, or identification card to control you or your movements.
    If any of these things has happened to you, you might be a victim of a serious crime.

    You are not alone. Please talk to us. We can help you.

    Your Safety…

    We want you to be safe. Remember, you are now away from the people who hurt you, and we can help you plan how to be safe. We may also be able to help your family if they are in danger from the traffickers.

    We can help you find:

    Emergency medical assistance;
    Emergency food and shelter;
    Translation services;
    Counseling and legal assistance.
    Every federal law enforcement agency has someone who can help victims and answer questions. If you are a victim, this person can tell you about community agencies and programs that can help you. You can find the address and phone number of your local FBI office on this website.

    • Observer

      *pic*

      • richelieu jr

        Even if you are a volunteer you cannot be oblige to work 100 hour weeks, nor deprived of the right to contact friends or family even if it is for a religion.

        • Verve

          If you are a volunteer, you can just walk away, at any time. Hence the term, ‘volunteer.’ If you are detained, that is a crime.

    • NOLAGirl

      The website to find your local FBI office. http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Lurkers: You know from experience it is Not safe where you are now. You were told it is not safe Outside the place you are now. Listen to your Own voice and what you Know. It IS safe on the outside, there is abundant help, love and compassion, warmth, real family life, friends, hope, help, laughter, fun, and good health.

      But don’t take my word for it. Call that number, get outside, and get the facts. If you already had complete and accurate statistics, you wouldn’t keep collapsing back into that same old, worn out Doubt Condition. Do something different this time. Get outside and get some fresh air.

      http://i.imgur.com/RDj22v1.jpg?1

      • Verve

        Listen to Hole- there are many, many, many people out here who will help you get free. And help you get your life back into a sane manner. We just want to help.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    This cult is an abomination, a vile amoral monstrosity.
    Karen and Jeffrey, thank you for everything you do, both the visible work (blogs, podcasts, videos etc.) and all the background work, sleuthing and reaching out to and supporting exes – which has to be enormous.
    The stories of abuse continue to hurt.
    Rivers of tears, oceans of sorrow.
    Karen, my heart goes out to you.
    Huge hugs to you.
    I want to hold you and hold you and hold you.
    You are a brave woman.
    To all the ex-SO here, and you are many, may you find love and peace.

    • joan nieman

      Awesome Pan!

  • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

    Hmm. Tabloids filling pages with sexual speculation about some celebrity actor guy. But it does cover Monique’s suit in Texas … and then it gets weird again.
    http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/exclusive-tom-cruise-rocked-gay-scandal-again

    • Tony Ortega

      So a novel, a work of fiction, smears Cruise with fake gay rumors, and a year-old lawsuit that has nothing to do with Cruise make up the Enquirer’s big new cover story about him. Great journalism.

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        Exclusive journalism! (Or did they mean unique?)

      • richelieu jr

        How on earth did this silly little ‘roman à clef’ get so much traction?

        Is it like the Clinton one and the writer was really there? Are the scenes only an insider could have witnessed; I thought the Clinton brouhaha was overblown, but at least there was that, and the mystery of who had written it…

        Or is it just some woman who says some character in her book who is uspposed to resemble Cruise is gay, in which case ‘WHoop-de-do’ (as I believe you Americans say at least once a day, as required by law)…

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          Silly season. (Because there’s no important news right now.)

        • Mooser

          “‘WHoop-de-do’ (as I believe you Americans say at least once a day, as required by law).”

          I think maybe “Whoop-de-do” went out with “23-skidoo” and “the bee’s knees”. I would think the compulsory colloquialism these days is a sort of “whoo-hoo” followed closely (in number of uses) by “D’oh”. Both courtesy of our national laureate and bard, Homer Simpson.

          • richelieu jr

            I stand both corrected and educated!

            • ThetaBara

              Well, whoop-de-doo!

      • Frank Lee

        And let’s not forget John Travolta gay rumors as well. My gut feeling is that people perceive something is very “off” about these two because Scientology leaves one with such odd behavior, that the easiest explanation from the wog world is the gay connection out of lack of any other knowledge.

        • Tony Ortega

          Big difference. Travolta is repeatedly being accused by men of inappropriate behavior, and those men are on the record, with specific dates and times of incidents. And everyone I know who has worked closely with Travolta and knows him well says there’s just no question that he’s gay. With Cruise, the accusations are always second hand, never any specifics, and every person I’ve talked to who worked closely with him or knew him very well never hesitates to say that the gay rumors are complete bullshit.

          • Frank Lee

            Outside the behavior issues, etc., my main point was that it is easy to understand how body language, etc. can be misinterpreted. Those who have little or no knowledge of Scientology, may write off the odd glaze in the eyes, etc. as what the public perceive as homosexuality. I’m again grateful to you for all you do, staying on top of issues, and standing firm on facts, not rumor. Please keep up the good work even though I know it takes up a great deal of your time and dedication!

            • lucille austero

              The “odd glaze in the eyes, etc.” means you’re gay? Really?

            • Jimmy3

              I had no idea smoking pot was turning me gay. No wonder dudes are always winking at me. Hey, does this mean Visine cures homosexuality?

            • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

              ROFL! Glazed eyes perceived as homosexuality? ROFL! Where the fuck did you come up with that notion? LOL.

            • lucille austero

              As Tommy Davis would say, he is a bigot.

            • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

              Well I’m not so sure, maybe he’s got an explanation, saw it in a movie or something. :) That’s the first time I’ve ever heard about this fascinating connection.

              It also makes me wonder if one slips in and out of glazed eyes whether one slips in and out of homosexuality. :)

            • Frank Lee

              Let’s see if I can explain this a little better. I’m not implying that gays have a glazed look, etc. I’m simply saying that body language can be misinterpreted. I have a family member who is bi-polar. When over-medicated his body language can be somewhat sluggish, his eyes glassy, etc. Most people may or may not notice it, but those who do often don’t understand the reason for it and may even believe he a stoner. Just like when he is under medicated, he can be very unpredictable. You have to admit that some Scientologists, after many years of abuse, have what appears to be PTSD which can effect their body language. Just like soldiers leaving a combat situation. There are those who might misread the effects. Of course, there are also those who simply “reach”, who may believe if Travolta behaves like a gay and is a Scientologist, by association there are likely others. I really didn’t intend to start a big “to do about nothing”.

            • D.Y.G.

              “behaves like a gay”

              limp wrists = gay = PTSD

            • Jimmy3

              I think the glazed eyes that some gay men have has to do with that CIA thing back in the early 80s. My sister-in-law’s neighbor’s father was telling me… Well, actually, I really can’t talk about it here.

            • Observer

              You are SO bad! *snicker*

            • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

              Were you dropped on your head as a child? I am asking seriously because I am searching for a way to not be annoyed by you. A childhood accident would really help me out.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Nat………Stop searching.
              There is “no Way OUT!!!!”

              I am saying this because when my husband gets excited he sounds just like John Madden……..’Upper octaves and all’.

              And I lost track of anything else Frank said…………because….well………..he is Frank………

            • L. Wrong Hubturd
            • joan nieman

              My thoughts exactly…wthf?

          • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

            The Tom Cruise Unauthorized Biography specifically addressed this issue and the author found zero evidence that Tom was gay. The rumors likely stem from jealousy.

            • Robert Eckert

              And when he was young and pretty there was a definite element of wishful thinking among a lot of gays (after “Top Gun” especially).

          • Sarah James

            Perhaps miscavige is behind the bogus info? If he can’t own Cruise, hurt him?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Listen you dumbfuck:
          Travolta=Gay.
          Cruise=Idiot (and probably asexual………….but not gay).

          Fuck already. Pay some kind of goddamn attention already.

      • J. Swift

        Freedom Magazine needs to hire that writing team.

    • ze moo

      I find it hilarious that a ‘chirch’ that considers homosexuality a crime, has 2 of its leading clebs so often being ‘outed’. Too bad only Travolta has a real {though for a court of law, unproven} history of real gayness.

      Citing the National Enquirer as a ‘source’ for gossip is like asking an ardent nazi an esoteric point of Talmudic law. I rarely see the NE at the supermarket checkout these days, do they still ‘cure’ arthritis and cancer every other week? Still find alien bigfoot babies as foretold by Nostradamus?

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        Ah, but now there will be a wave of stories in other fine publications citing it “as reported in the National Enquirer” (to cover their legal assets), followed by the “leaked” pictures of an actress on his arm claimed be his girlfriend and perhaps the next wife, eventually followed by the denials. Rinse, repeat.

        • Espiando

          The only mentions of Cruise on this site (and that includes you, Lush) should be:

          1) If he blows
          2) If Davey dies and Tommy Girl is appointed the new COB RTC

          That’s it. This shit has long since passed the point of being boring.

          • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

            The only interesting thing is that the National Enquirer gang must follow Scientology stories closely to be able to work actual events and people into the sausage grinder along with all the tripe and gristle.

          • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

            Bollocks; his bloated face, his drunken solo visits to London nightspots, his box office dilemmas, his apparent next girlfriend, his renumeration from the cult in the form of staff, and so on and so on is all grist to the mill in my book

            • Espiando

              For a celeb gossip site, yes. For an anti-Scientology site, no.

          • joan nieman

            Well said Espiando.

          • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

            So booooorrrrriiiiiinnnnnngg! There are so many more interesting things about the stupid cult.

        • aquaclara

          What poor young prospective bride will next be fed up to His Royal Cruiseness by his Scientology pimps?
          That disgusts me….

    • Tony Ortega

      And once again, Margery Wakefield has lent her name to a bogus Enquirer story. Sad.

      • ze moo

        I suspect ‘rented’ her name to be accurate.

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          I’d give odds that it’s something she said years ago.

          • Tony Ortega

            The last time she said something completely ludicrous to the Enquirer, I checked with her and she said she had. I asked her why, and she said, “Someone told me that.” No confirmation? No.

            • Sherbet

              Oh, so it’s the lrh methodology of proof.

            • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

              There’s so many bad, mad, sad things about Scientology that can be verified or at least attributed, that it’s redundant to make things up or spread something “someone said”.

            • Sherbet

              You’re absolutely right, RMycroft. It isn’t all about Xenu or who’s gay. There’s much more horror beyond that.

            • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

              *sigh*

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Well that was ridiculous.
        Why did they keep bringing up Marty?
        Didn’t Marty already say ‘rather directly’…. that Cruise is not gay?

        But even worse………why do I read stupid shit like that in the first place?
        I have a headache now.

        • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

          Andrew Morton wrote the Unauthorized Biography of Tom Cruise which was a resounding success, and he reported that there was zero, none, not even a hint of gayness in Tom’s history. There is a lot of jealousy of Tom’s previous looks when he was younger, and of course there was the totally gay “Top Gun” movie with extensive homosexual rhetoric in the script, but the Unauthorized Biography covered the issue and should have put it to rest as BS.

      • Sidney18511

        Since Margery claimed (without any proof) that she was poisoned by some Scientology “plant” she has been going downhill. I believe she needs help. I hope she gets some soon.

  • NOLAGirl

    We promise we won’t reg you, pleeease come listen to us blather. Bahahaha!

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/there-will-be-no-recruitment-regging-or-fundraising-promise/

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      They are taking the stink of desperation to brand new (and powerfully odoriferous) levels.

      • NOLAGirl

        $cientology: The stench of decay.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    They lie, they cheat, they abuse.
    They refuse responsibility for their crimes.
    We can stop them getting more victims.
    Daily list
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2472833
    ty ap

    • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

      @#$%^&

  • N. Graham

    Didn’t realize Tony (and Joe Biden) were in Detroit over the weekend. We should have a meeting of Detroit Bunkerites next time! And I was right downtown to see Leon Russell-I keep forgetting about the Detroit Ideal Org, will have to bring a sign next time I visit.

    Who besides subgenius1 is a Michigander? I know there are a few others but can’t remember exactly who.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      someone said Robert Eckert was from Detroit.

      • Mooser

        Is Mr. Eckert all right? I haven’t seen comments from him for a while, and I haven’t been able to get here much myself.

        • aquaclara

          He chimed in yesterday. He was out of town, and missed the fun!
          I hope we’ll see him back here often, too.

        • Graham

          He made a brief post yesterday, “Tony invited me too, and I was out of town– and I hardly ever get out of Detroit. Bummer.”

        • Robert Eckert

          I was at the Vent Haven convention. The “Haven” is where retired ventriloquists or surviving family members send beloved figures that ought not be trashed. The yearly get-together is a unique kind of event, with very amusing shows by the top pros in the field and equally amusing (in a different way) open-mic nights by those new to the art.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Leon Russell concert? Great idea. I’m inviting him to my next aqua therapy session. I don’t remember who else either except Robert.

    • 1subgenius

      Where the hell was Leon Russell that night? Oh I see he was at a free riverside deal, on Friday. Sweet. Heard nothing about it.
      Review please.
      I saw him a few years back at Magic Bag.
      He hobbled out using a walker, moving about as slow as one could move.
      He finally, slowly, got behind his rig, which consisted of various keyboards, and computers, and got seated.
      I thought he was in the process of dying.
      He lifted both hands high over a keyboard, and when they came down, the band, which included a son on drums, took off like a rocket, and didn’t stop for 2 hours.
      Fucking great opening.
      He had his tour bus parked behind, and I heard you could go talk to him. I regret I didn’t, but it woulda been a clusterfuck..

      By the way, if you want to meet, I’m usually at Northern Lights on Tuesdays, for Motown guitar legend Dennis Coffey (free!), and Motor City Wine on Wednesdays for Skeeto’s Fun House (also free!)

      • joan nieman

        Ha ha! Sounds like you have a lot of fun subgenius! Music is a wonderful pastime and good therapy for everyone.

      • N. Graham

        Ya, Leon was on the Riverfront by the RenCen. He sounded and looked good! I had wanted to go see him at the Magic Bag for awhile so was glad when I heard he was doing the Riverfront.

        I had also heard reports that he was kind of worn looking and his performances were dull and listless. But I hear the tour with Elton John revitalized him a bit. At the Riverfront he wasn’t smiling from ear to ear or gladhanding the crowd but then he never did, always seeming to going for that mystical kind of image. He seemed about the same as I always remembered him. Anyway, he sounded great and played mostly well known Leon songs like Tightrope and Delta Lady.

        And then he announced to the crowd that he was there to raise money for the Detroit Ideal Org…
        Ok, just kidding about the Ideal Org…

        • 1subgenius

          Oh shit, funny.
          Yeah, I mean he looked like, and was, an old man (relatively) back in the day, when “they” all picked up on him.
          As far as playing “the well known songs”, that is such a two edged sword, and usually an albatross, but I’m sure he handled it, and resolved the issue (because he has, and continues to create). It helps when the songs are so fucking good, and not just pop hits.

          I never mind when someone, like that, that I idolize, doesn’t play anything I’m familiar with.
          And I cringe when people even yell out requests, for someone like that.
          (Someone I know complained after they saw Dylan, that he mostly played piano. I wanted to strangle the ass. How the fuck can you possibly complain about seeing Dylan? “Its not him, its you!”)

          “Shit, man, if you think they’re so good, just let them show you, and enjoy it. They ain’t no trained monkey.”

          Funny about that “mystical kind of image”. Man he played it so right at the time, he must have been shitting in his pants, being a Tulsa boy..
          What a history.
          I’m somewhat pissed about those events not getting on my calendar.
          I happened to be visiting the Ideal Org around that same time. I was blocks away.
          I blame you. Why didn’t you tell me?

          • N. Graham

            LOL, Ok, here is the schedule for the rest of the summer.

            July 25: Starship
            Aug. 1: April Wine and The Rockets
            Aug. 8: Eddie Money
            Aug. 15: America

            No clams in this line-up!
            I’ve liked Leon a long time too. He is the piano on a multitude of 60′s hits. He is even credited on the label of all of Gary Lewis and the Playboys’ records as “Arranged by Leon Russell.”

            • 1subgenius

              He is the only act in that lineup that I would see.
              He is so far above the rest its bizarre.
              Its like john Fogerty opening for Jimmy Buffet.

      • Missionary Kid

        But, but, but, he didn’t have his most famous (or infamous) sideman, Teddy Jack Eddy!

        IIRC, there’s a picture somewhere with Frank Sinatra in the foreground, and a clean cut Leon Russel at the piano.

        • N. Graham

          I’d love to see that one!
          Here’s one that shows a young, beardless Leon, along with one of him my girlfriend shot last Friday night.

          • Missionary Kid

            I Googled for a picture of Leon and Frank, but nothing turned up. Maybe it’s my imagination.

            You know who Teddy Jack Eddy is, don’t you?

            • N. Graham

              !!! (Refresh)

      • N. Graham

        I’ll come and bring some SPs sometime.

    • Robert Eckert

      I’m in Detroit, and usually pretty housebound. This one week I go on a road trip, and didn’t take my laptop, and come back to clean out several days of accumulated Facebook postings and e-mails, and what do I find but an invitation to meet Tony Ortega.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Well that’ll teach you to go have fun at a convention and miss the real fun with Tony and 1subgenius!

  • Mark

    Tiny Dick now is a public disgrace,
    As his horrible cult slowly sinks without trace.
    Hush! Hush! Whisper who dares,
    Does Shortarse get mentioned in anyone’s prayers?

    (With apologies to the shade of A.A. Milne; refresh):

    • Sherbet

      Little Dickie’s Bedtime Stories are bad enough, but Dave’s real scares come from Uncle Tony’s Tales of Terror. Read on, Dave, read on.

      • Mark

        May he suffer a fate worse than Struwwelpeter and Hilaire Belloc’s Cautionary Tales combined!

        • Sherbet

          OK, smartypants, you sent me to Google.

          • Mark

            Lemony Snicket?

            • Sherbet

              Oooooh. Got it.

        • i-Betty

          I sometimes dream that I have Struwwelpeter’s hair and wake up in a sweat.

          • Mark

            There’s a priceless piece in the Faber Book of Parodies about Struwwelpeter by an utterly humourless Freudian academic – it’s included in the category of “unconscious parodies”.

          • Observer

            My hair looks like Struwwelpeter’s hair from late May to early September. Stupid humidity.

    • flexible

      A.A. Milne is my favorite childhood author and poet. Stunningly lyrical, simple poetry that touches the heart for young and young at heart. Mark.. I am impressed.
      Little Dickie’s Bedtime stories are terrific. I had no idea they existed and I think are a must read.
      I am very fortunate that I escaped when I did.. even though I was talked into going back and”routing out” properly. I originally fled with my young daughter.. it makes for a pretty good yarn I guess. There were quite a few staff at that time, under 24/7 guard, being watched at the same facility. It’s a miracle I got out all things considered. It’s amazing to me how totally vicious and insane it has become over the last 25+ years. Reading the above about the rape of Alexander.. makes me wonder what the hell went on in the Flag nursery back then. Ugh Can’t go there.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Would love to hear your yarn.

      • Mark

        I’m glad the miracle happened and you did get out – well rid of a sadistic state-within-a-state -and particularly its historic and continuing abuse of the young and vulnerable. What brought that home to me more than anything else was Jenna Miscavige Hill’s Beyond Belief which I read on Tony’s recommendation soon after I discovered the Bunker. I hope you feel able to share your story too, at some stage.

        Being of a generation that was made to learn poetry at school, I can’t remember any of it now – but what has stuck in my mind is Milne’s verse (which I’m sure was a variation of the bedtime-story routine). Lyrical, yes; I don’t know about simple, though: some of his rhyming-schemes and particularly the scansion seem fiendishly complicated!

    • 1subgenius

      “Does Shortarse get mentioned in anyone’s prayers?”

      Well now, I bet he does, but not in a good way.

      No. Nobody loves him.
      I heard his mother and father did at one time, but not anymore.
      This is a very sad and sorry fate.

      • i-Betty

        Oh, woe is me, Little Wee Davy,

        Nobody loves me, everybody hates me
        Think I’ll go and eat Public
        Long ones, short ones, fat ones, thin ones
        See how they wriggle and squirm

        I’ll bite off their heads, and suck out their cash
        And throw their skins away
        Nobody knows how fat I grow
        On Public three times a day
        Ohh…nobody loves me.

        (For the official SO nursery rhyme book.)

        • Panopea Abrupta

          Row row row, you bot
          Gently down the stream
          Merrily, merrily, merrily,
          Life is but a scheme.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            You all are crackin’ me up.

        • Elar Aitch

          Welcome to my parlour said the spider to the fly….

      • Mark

        Maybe we could get those putative satanists in Oklahoma to celebrate a “Messe de Guibourg” for him – that’s a requiem mass said for someone who’s still alive?

      • TheMirrorThetan

        That is sad.
        But you pulled it in didn’t ya Davey.

  • BosonStark

    I’m not saying they didn’t, but I find it curious as to why, internally, they would tell members that Lisa McPherson had a “psychotic break.” By using a psychiatric term, was it their way of distancing themselves from her? I thought Hubbard redefined psychotic break as “Type III PTS,” or maybe they tended to pin that on people if they had a mental breakdown during auditing only.

    For people new to the Scientology scene, Lisa had her first mental breakdown after a fender-bender auto accident in Clearwater, where she took her clothes off. After a trip to a local hospital, she was convinced by members to return to the Ft. Harrison, where she was locked in for 17 days, put on “baby watch” and given Dr. Hubtard’s magickal “Introspection Rundown,” and she died.

    Anyway, I would appreciate anyone’s thoughts on the way Scientology distinguishes between “psychotic break” and “Type III PTS.” I realize that regular terms are used throughout, e.g., “crimes” for “overts.” I suspect that the use of the Scientology term tends to disappear when Scientology either wishes to distance itself from someone, or when that person’s case becomes public. So I guess one thing I’d like to know is, internally, how many Sea Org members spoke in hushed tones about Lisa going Type III PTS or did everyone say “psychotic”?

  • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

    I wonder how long David Miscavige will yell and scream about this video .. until he notices that it’s Part One?

    • FromPolandWithLove

      That was good:)

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      Listening and indexing now.

      Confirmation of the story that someone sabotaged the other dike to save Gold from flooding by flooding those Hemet wogs instead.

      • Mat Pesch

        There are areal pictures taken of Hemet after the flood, that can be found on the internet. The damage was EXTENSIVE. Luckily no one was killed.

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          Umm, not sure about that. Overall, throughout the entire district there were 10 deaths.
          http://www.floodcontrol.co.riverside.ca.us/History.aspx

          However, the floods of 1980 also demonstrated a need for additional flood control and drainage improvements throughout the District, where the widespread flooding in western Riverside county accounted for at least ten deaths, and in excess of $70 million in property damage.

          • Mat Pesch

            I never knew there were deaths. I’m going to gather more data on this.

      • J. Swift

        RMycroft, that was a very needed confirmation. I was glad to have Mat confirm it as an eyewitness who was there. What shocked me as the interviewer: I asked Mat if the story was true about breaching the dike with the bulldozer and he replied, “No, we used a shovel…”

        Bad, good, or indifferent, I want to find out the truth about so many things, Coming up in 1-2 weeks: I take people inside of somewhere no outsider has ever been…

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          It means that it’s been confirmed by someone rather than just a story that’s been floating around for decades. It doesn’t mean that’s it true. For all we know, the guy with the shovel got there in time to see the dike give way, then took credit for it–because his Intention caused it. :) Either way, it does highlight the attitude.

  • Anonymous

    It is a small point within a much larger drama, but Sea Org member Mat Pesch’s audio description of how his Sea Org wife Ame Scobee who was posted at FLAG, wanted Mat who was posted in Los Angeles to join her there, “petitioned” to Sea Org Captain David Miscavige to get approval for Mat to move. The approval apparently was granted as Mat did move from California to join his wife in Florida.

    That piece of info, along with hundreds of similar pieces of info that could easily be accumulated via deposition, are collective evidence that Sea Org Captain David Miscavige does in fact have the authority act above, and between the lines of managerial authority among the various sham corporate entities of Scientology, regardless of geographic location.

    It should be relatively easy to demonstrate that Sea Org Captain David Miscavige had and still has an identical ability to act above, between and among the lines of managerial authority of the sham corporate entities of Scientology in the state of Texas, where it is alleged that Miscavige directed the six month long program of domestic terrorism aimed at Monique Rathbun under the Squirrel Busters rubric.

    • aquaclara

      The small points are the important points, too. These are solid bits that can be collected and used….
      along the same lines, how many email addresses show up on the collected internal email messages here, on Rinder’s blog and elsewhere that cross over the entities?

      • Anonymous

        In complex litigation against a person or organization (like Scientology) with a well established reputation for deliberate institutional dishonesty, it is often wise to get the opponent to make complex, specific denials of a particular fact, before asserting all of your evidence supporting a more truthful description of the fact in contest.

        Rules against perjury traps are tricky, but apply primarily in cases where grand juries ask questions as part of a not yet completed investigation.

        In civil litigation it is helpful to demonstrate a defendant has earlier presented misleading information about salient facts as it helps a jury (or a judge) weigh later evidence presented by that same person.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      This is going in today’s musical lineup for workouts today:

      http://youtu.be/nMhaehb5AnE

      • i-Betty

        Ho ho :P

    • Robert Eckert

      I think Rinder already put in affidavits about Miscavige directing people to go to Texas and negotiate with Lisa’s family.

      • Anonymous

        I think you are right.

        What’s needed is a full brief of instances from multiple witnesses to show the pattern extends back for decades in dozens (at least) of similar situations across geographic, corporate and command lines. It is such an obvious step that it would be shocking if not already well covered.

        Miscavige may / may not be deposed, but he’s still a named defendant.

  • Sejanus

    $cientology. Kills

  • rom661

    I’m confused. Scientology doesn’t pay minimum wage because these people are ” volunteers”. How are volunteers covered by workmen’s comp? Am I missing something?

    • D.Y.G.

      It’s a non-profit that compensates volunteers with stipends, room and board, etc, so the church is required to have them covered under a worker’s compensation insurance policy.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        But they get W-2s at the end of the year…?

        • D.Y.G.

          I’ll have to go ask the family CPA about that.

          • D.Y.G.

            The accountant wants to know if the costs of room/board/clothing/whatever is added to the W-2 every year. She calls it “payment in kind” compensation for services. Anyone know?

            • Techie

              The payment in kind is NOT added, only the cash stipend value. I could dig out one of my old pay slips and black out the names. If you get a cash bonus that is reported, but not room and board.

            • D.Y.G.

              I don’t think you need to post a copy. I’m going to have to wait a while anyway. She has to wait until she’s back in the office to find an answer in textbooks. I’ve managed to temporarily stump the auditor. :)

            • i-Betty

              Nice work :) Please say thank you.

            • D.Y.G.

              “Religious shit has a whole diff set of rules”. That’s the text I got. I laughed and said “you don’t know the half of it”.

            • i-Betty

              Oh bless her. I like her already. Bring her here! :D

        • Techie

          It’s a W2 but they never report the value of the room and board, only the stipend. They never turn in a form 1040 because the amounts are so tiny, but I wonder if someone who is living in one of the nicer dorms might be actually cheating on their taxes by not reporting it as income. .

          • D.Y.G.

            Ok, you answered the question I just posted. Thx!

      • MaxSpaceman

        Org staff are volunteers, iirc, DYG- the Sea Org are paid employees @ $50 per week of $cientology Inc.

        • D.Y.G.

          Yes I know. From what I understand, it’s considered a stipend not wages. Because they receive compensation in the form of room and board, etc., it becomes mandatory for the church to maintain a policy and pay the premiums.

          • MaxSpaceman

            oh. okay. :-)

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          So org staff are volunteers. But I thought some had talked about small amounts of pay? And Sea Org get a stipend and a W-2 with FICA etc deducted. But the value of room and board is not included.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Really? Okay. I thought Sea Org staff, since they get stuff taken out of their weekly pay, are paid staff. Paid at the rate of $50 per week. about 6 bucks is taken out for all the W2 job deduction things. They net about $44 per week.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Sea Org ex-ers have reported their pay (as paid sea org staff) was $50 per week. There were deductions. Their takehome was $44 approx. per week, if the week was paid in full. Sometimes they got half-pay etc. So, they wouldn’t get 1099s. They would get W2s.

      • rom661

        If they received a W-2 I don’t see how they could get around regulations regarding employees; they claimed they weren’t required to conform because the workers were volunteers. However someone else pointed out that getting room and board, such as it was, addressed that. Just curiosity on my part. Frankly I don’t remember being paid. I know I had to roll my own cigarettes because I couldn’t afford a pack. Of course I remember cigs being .35/pack. Haven’t bought one in 30 plus years but am amazed at the cost. Be tough to be a Kool smoking SO member today.

        • MaxSpaceman

          If only thdnExist of Galactic Patrol would definitively address the issue. Maybe someday, an ex Sea Org staff member will.

  • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

    You can get away with murder when you have money. If you have brown skin and smoke dope in your own bedroom, that’s 20 years in prison.

    Welcome to Amerikkka, home of the free.

  • aquaclara

    ICatching up on summer reading. I just having finished John Duignan’s book. What a riveting read, especially when he starts to see how unpopular Scientology is, compared to other religions, and goes off to get involved in real world charities and local organizations to try to change things. You’ll guess how well that went over inside the walls of the church.

    When he discovers the whole thing is a fraud, I could feel his pain and utter disgust at having fallen for something that his whole family knew was garbage. he turns to some of those local contacts for help when he had nothing – and they came through. Too, his family welcomed him back with open arms, even after all those years away. What a beautiful family indeed.

    John, you rock. I saw those happy pics posted on the Flag Down recaps – congratulations on getting out, sharing even the ugly stuff in your book, and your Irish sense of humor.

    Next up on summer reading, book right here at my desk, is Amy Scobee’s book. I can’t wait. Amy and Mat are such a cute couple, and they have spoken out on big stuff. It will be a good read for sure.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Stock up on kleenex and chocolate for this one, AC. It’s tough.

      • aquaclara

        Thanks for the heads up, Hole. I am coming to expect this.

        As painful as it must be, I wish every ex would write their story in the long form for posterity. Oh! and hint, hint.

        The record lasts forever. Luckily, so does the Bunker. God bless Tony.

  • ze moo

    Someone believes that they have found Lroon Japanese submarine and wants donations to dive on the wreck. I can’t find any connection the CO$ in the people named.

    http://www.stripes.com/news/us/researcher-seeks-funds-to-help-find-submarine-sunk-off-the-coast-of-oregon-1.294417

    • Techie

      Maybe they will find the saucer that Ron later said was there. Could be the start of a really cheesy sci-fi movie.

    • Mark

      They’re about as likely to find it as they are all those big Hollywood movies LRH said he scripted but somehow his name got left off the credits at the last moment…

      • Techie

        Well, there is something there, the magnetometers showed it. Probably an ore deposit, or some other magnetic anomaly. Or maybe it is the remnants of Atlantis. Hubbard also believed in the Bermuda Triangle (I heard this from someone who was on the Apollo – he said Hubbard freaked out when the ship was heading across the Atlantic and heard that it was near the location of the Triangle, and had the course changed to avoid it).

        • Mark

          I bet there’s lots of shipwrecks on the seabed there – the otherwise unidentified Ms. Wallis who’s something to do with the dive team says the waters are “treacherous, subject to cross-currents”.

        • ze moo

          There is a known magnetic anomaly in the area. Lroon depth charged it. There must be all kinds of ships down there, but not one submarine. The navy investigated that action and told Lroon to shut up and read his charts, better. The anomaly was marked.

          Capt. Lroon was a putz.

          • Sergeant Pepper

            Capt. Lroon was indeed a putz, lol! Chuckling to myself at the image of the dauntless and defiant Lroon fleeing the triangle.

      • Jimmy3

        They’re about as likely to find it as they are all those samurai remains on the Coronado Islands.

    • Sergeant Pepper

      I can’t reconcile two statements: “The crew saw an oil slick and blood on the water, usually evidence of a hit” and “When the divers returned, they told their neighbors that the submarine was in one piece”. I may be dense, but the author there is no Tony Ortega.

      • ze moo

        The ‘oil and blood on the water’ quote was from a sailor who was involved in the action in 43. The ‘sub is in one piece’ quote was from someone who recently dived on the ‘wreck’. That story is pretty much verbatim from a Washington or Oregon news paper article.

        • Sergeant Pepper

          Ah, I couldn’t imagine blood. I’ve never read that detail in any submarine loss before. Oil is common and could escape from a largely intact sub. I suppose the sub could be destroyed so thoroughly the crew were rent asunder, but it seems unlikely. I’m thinking he is an unreliable witness.
          On a lighter note, their gofundme has reached 125/5000 of it’s goal with 2 donations, none since 29 days ago.

          • Observer

            You’d think Scientologists would be all over it.

            • Sergeant Pepper

              Most have gotten over it! The remainder have no money.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Found it! The source of the magneto. Comes in handy when you’re slipping out of harbors in need of a disguise. Fun for all ages — in the 50′s!

      http://i.imgur.com/5daT87N.jpg?1

    • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

      Wood is a Scientology dipshit, he’s got “completions” in the database.

      • Sergeant Pepper

        That figures, he’s the only crew member that saw “blood” from the stricken magnetic deposit, and the only crew member that became a scilon. I promote him from unreliable witness to deceiver.

      • ze moo

        Wood is a very common name.

        • Jimmy3

          Yes, but what are the odds that someone with the surname Wood was named Robert? It seems to me that–
          …earpiece crackling…
          –Okay, I’m now being told that Robert is also a very common name and it is likely that many a Wood were named Robert. We will need further confirmation that this is the same Robert Wood.

          • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

            And did he have a change to/from Roberta, which is also in that list.

          • i-Betty

            You crack me up :P

            • Jimmy3

              You know what cracks me up? Crack.

    • aurora50
  • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

    Lies, all Lies; we are reaching every and all kind of beings with Scientology:
    http://pierreethier.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/pierre-ethier-scientologycat.jpg

    • D.Y.G.

      I don’t know about Pierre’s cat, but my pootie doesn’t have thumbs and can’t hold the cans.

      • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

        If he becomes OT he can postulate some thumbs.

        -Ron

        • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

          It will only cost kitty everything he’s got, no money for catnip.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It’s only a matter of time.

        http://youtu.be/h6CcxJQq1x8

        • Mark

          Damn! You got there before me!
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMn4RW0B8ME

        • D.Y.G.

          I just spent the last hour watching cat videos.

          • Jimmy3

            Welcome to the internet!

            • D.Y.G.

              I need to find a new cat. Mine is lazy and boring and fat.

            • OliveThomas

              “. . . I found out my cat was embezzling from me.” – Steve Martin

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              “I need to find a new cat. Mine is lazy and boring and fat.”

              I need to find a new cat too!
              Cuz mine died in 2011. ( WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!, sorry, you never get totally over it.)

              but….
              I think I am done grieving now and it is time to buy a new kitteh box!

            • Jimmy3

              Please don’t support pet stores. Get a rescue.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            oh noooo.

            • D.Y.G.

              I won’t lie. It was very entertaining. I do find most things entertaining.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            26 used to say she watched hours of cat videos………
            Hmmmmmmmmmm…
            Now ….I is worried!!!!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Only you would remember that.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Go get ‘em, friends.
    Fresh fresh blues in DC – here:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2472855
    Main list here:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2472833
    They are on the brink and need a little Red-X push, especially JJ in Beantown:

  • Georget1952

    “The church of Scientology is a cult, and it will end badly”. Jeffrey Augustine

    YES!!

    • Jgg2012

      When was it anything but that?

  • http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

    Hearing Mat’s infectious laugh a few times during that interview makes me want to say this: every morning you wake up in Mat and Amy’s house as a guest is like Christmas morning. Between them and their dog Arvie you are in for non-stop laughs and good times. (You can beat them at lawn bowling, however, but not much else.)

    • Jimmy3

      Do they wrap up presents for their guests?

      • http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

        All presents are verbal and wrapped in laughter.

        • Jimmy3

          Worst. Christmas. Ever.

          • http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

            You couldn’t be more wrong.

            • Jimmy3

              I’m only joking, and not at their expense. They sound like lovely people.

            • http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

              They are the best.

            • Jimmy3

              I wouldn’t say they’re the best. From what I’ve heard, they’re not very good at lawn bowling. But still, they are a lovely couple.

            • http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

              They’re the best hosts. Hey, wait a minute, do you suppose they let me and my wife beat them at lawn bo——–OH, NOOOOOOOO! Arrrgh! We’ve been had. Cancel everything I said about Mat and Amy.

            • Mat Pesch

              LOL. Come and visit any time.

            • i-Betty

              Please may we all come and visit? You can read us bedtime stories and Amy can beat us all at lawn bowls. We have caek; we will bring some.

              Thank you for such a great interview, Mat :)

            • Mat Pesch

              Sounds like I may need a bigger house. Glad you liked the interview. My guess is that you will be hearing from Amy in the not too distant future. Given the time, she might even complete her second book which carries on from where “Scientology, Abuse At The Top” left off.

            • http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

              Mat, you guys need to come to Sweden one of these summers. Our city was voted Sweden’s best summer city. Temps about 75 and water temps about 70. Can’t be beat. Sweden, who would have thought, eh?

            • Missionary Kid

              My father came from Norra Norrland, and my mother’s mother came from Småland. I don’t know where in Sweden my mother’s father’s parents came from.

              The one time that I visited Sweden, I visited my cousins, who live all over.

              I’m not that bright, so I visited in the winter time.

            • http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

              Your ancestors were smart, at least. Way up north they don’t see the sun for MONTHs during winter. Down south we get at least 7 hours daylight during the darkest time of year.

            • Mat Pesch

              That’s an idea. I would love to visit Sweden. How is the cost of living over there? Do they play lawn bowl in Sweden?

            • http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

              Mat, this is the lawn bowling capital of the galaxy. There is a boule hall in town that has about 50 indoor lanes and another 30 outdoors. Cost of living is about the same here as in the U.S. Iceland Air flies from Seattle to Copenhagen and you are 2 hours by train to where we live. Think about it!

            • Mat Pesch

              Wow! I’m thinking…..

            • http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

              You’d enjoy it.

            • i-Betty

              Heehee :D

    • i-Betty

      That laughter was so infectious! It had me grinning along in a couple of places.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: as useless a a cheap umbrella in a hurricane

    “Paging $cientology, paging $cientology.
    The Third Reich called and Herr Goebbels wants his technology back.”

    $cientology: the Turd Reich

  • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

    Refresh for image.

    • Gus_Cox

      Good kitty!

  • Observer

    OT, but someone needs to do this with Captain Miscavige. If I had the software and know-how I would so be on it!

    http://happyplace.someecards.com/kim-jong-un/kim-jong-un-is-trying-to-get-a-goofy-parody-video-removed-from-the-internet-which-only-makes-you-want-to-watch-it-more/

    • Jimmy3

      I am downloading the software now. The estimate bar says three to five years. I’ll go grab a drink while I wait.

  • Ruby

    Great interview Mat and Jeff. Thank you.
    @41:00…Mat tells us how the leftover shampoo and soap of the public at the Fort Harrison was boxed up and given to the outer org trainees as they could not afford their own. Geez…one thing I always managed to escape was being sent to Flag for training. Thank God!

    • Mat Pesch

      The left over shampoo and soap also needed to go to Flag staff who were illegally in the country and could not get paid. Staff who could get paid were also asked to kick back a few bucks so it could be distributed to the illegals. Most of that was done within ones division. Example, Treasury staff helped provide cash for the illegal(s) in the Treasury Division. If you are a Flag public and you are reading this, please buy your soap and shampoo at Costco.

      • Ruby

        I am speechless.
        Thank you, Mat. I thought I had it bad with certain issues at the Class 5 org level…and I did…but this is beyond what I ever imagined. wow…

  • nottrue

    Your doubts are valid….Get out NOW…1-866-XSEAORG…..

    • Sir_Real

      What a sad, sinister picture.

    • i-Betty

      That dreadful thing staring down at her from the wall. No wonder she looks so sad.

  • scnethics

    Another great interview from Jeffrey Augustine. When I listen to these interviews, I sometimes put myself in my old cult mindset and think all my old cult thoughts (disturbing how easy it is to do). Most of what I heard would have been handled by my internal thought-stopper, but the part about the child sexual abuse and rape (aided by how natural and convincing Mat Pesch is in relating these facts) would have left me deeply disturbed. I hope a lot of lurkers run across this video!

  • J. Swift

    Mat Pesch is amazing to interview and I thank him for his time.

    More fireworks when we release Mat Pesch Part 2 coming later this week.

    “Little Dickie’s Bedtime Stories” in order on ESMB: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?11001-quot-Little-Dickie-quot-Bedtime-Stories-in-order

    • D.Y.G.

      Looking forward to the next installment.

    • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

      Holy shit about the sexual molestation. I knew it was more common than most people say it is and I am glad to hear it on record…finally.

      • Mat Pesch

        Unfortunately, more child sex crimes came to mind since doing the show. One in particular is so gross, I don’t think I would want to speak about it publicly. There will always be sick people. It is unfortunate that “the most ethical group on the planet” would protect these sick people in an effort to avoid bad PR. It wasn’t the “churches” crime until they protected the criminal and made it so. Big mistake. You think they will learn from it??? Naaaaaa……

        • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

          Thank you so much for saying this. I’ve known it was true for some time but have no direct knowledge of it. I hope that some of the victims come forward to call for an investigation. There is no statute of limitations on child sex crimes.

          • Missionary Kid

            Derek, I think that statute of limitations varies from state to state. IIRC, many states have passed enabling legislation for prosecution, but not all.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              In Florida there is no statue of limitations.

              In California for some fucked up reason there is. You get till you’re 28.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. Since those crimes were probably done in those two states, that’s good information. IIRC, isn’t there an exception for suppressed memories in California that extends the period? That makes it harder to prosecute, because first, it has to be demonstrated that the memories were suppressed, but at least it provides a way to prosecute..

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              There’s always the opportunity to get the statue of limitations extended. I forget the legal term for it. The idea of suppressed or repressed memories is controversial at best. A lot of that hocus pocus back in the day was later found to be false memory syndrome.

    • Mat Pesch

      Thank you for the opportunity to enlighten others regarding the cult and thank you for all the work you and Karen are doing.

      • Missionary Kid

        Mat, it’s public testimony like yours, woven together in the narrative of Jeffrey and Karen that give more weight to the charges against Co$. Thank you for speaking out.

        • Mat Pesch

          Thanks to Jeff and Karen, I’m sure there will be many more ex-Sea Org members coming forward to say what they experienced. Jeff is very professional and he made the interview fun and easy.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m looking forward to further interviews.

      • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

        Thank you Mat for your brutal honesty and the bravery to enlighten people on what really is an evil organization.

        • Mat Pesch

          Derek, You are welcome. I can’t take back what I did to support the criminality of the “church” but I can at least warn others now that I know better.

          • aquaclara

            Mat, this is an excellent video. Your speaking out is worth so much-thank you.

            Thîs touched a lot of people today. More than you might realize….

            Wishing you and Amy all the best, especially after all you have both lived through.

            • Mat Pesch

              Thank you.

    • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

      I just want to let you know Jeffrey, if you think I can add anything valuable to your show feel free to reach out, anytime. dmanunderground@gmail.com

      • Jimmy3

        D Bloch and J Swifty. Is that a hippity hop song or a podcast? Either way, I would love to hear it. Please take him up on that offer, Mr. Swift!

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          We in RTC do not need or want a “D Bloch and J Swifty” or any other interview. There was really no need for Mat Pesch or anyone else to be interviewed.

          • Jimmy3

            It’s a shame that Source went off to Target 2 before the advent of auto-tune software. If he had modern auto-tune capabilities and even an ounce of talent, there would be no Grammy Awards. There would only be Ronny Awards.

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Derek, you are on our list. Thank you.
        We will be interviewing you for Surviving Scientology Radio.
        Thanks Derek.
        **********huggggggggggggggggs********

    • aurora50

      I found the ‘Stories’ here in a format easier on the eyes, though they are not posted in order:

      http://www.scientology-cult.com/component/search/?searchword=little+dickie+series&ordering=&searchphrase=all

      Full of the humor and intelligence Mat displayed in the video today.

  • Doug Parent

    Thank you Matt and Jeffrey for making this video and exposing more of the cults lies and human rights violations. May the end come sooner than later.

    • Mat Pesch

      Amen.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    “On a number of occasions, I saw people placed in the “chain lockers” of the boat on direct orders of Hubbard. These lockers were small, smelly holes, covered by grates, where the chain for the anchor was stored. I saw one boy held in there for thirty nights, crying and begging to be released.”

    Tonja Burden, CMO as quoted by Jon Atack
    The cruelty has been there from the beginning.
    This is why.

    Updates ‘n new blues:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2472855
    Main list:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2472833
    ty THDNE

    • i-Betty

      Oh my god…

  • Science Doc

    I drove past Narconon Warner Springs/Sunshine Summit this morning and saw a large US Foods truck parked on the campus in front of what might be the cafeteria building. US Foods was recently purchased by Sysco, it is a huge food distribution operation. Sunshine Summit is about 30 miles from anyplace. I would guess that they get a weekly delivery from a truck that hits several places in the area or on a route from the distribution center.

    • D.Y.G.

      Better to use those U.S. Foods trucks. Sysco’s brand is just a wee bit tarnished. They just got hit with a $19.4 million fine in California for storing perishables in public storage units.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Someone had made a good suggestion to analyze the records from the companies that serve the cult to see if the revenues are decreasing due to fewer kool aid drinkers…

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for July 21: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #18,577 – down 209 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 22,722)
    Scientology: US rank #52,678 – up 906 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 63,128)

    Difference: 34,101 – 1,115 less than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 40,406)

    Clicks from India – 8,3% today.

  • Tony DePhillips

    You my coin boy!! :-)

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    And now for a little comic relief, today brought to you by none other than Monty Python’s own Terry Gilliam. He was asked about a character in his new movie, “Zero Theorem”, one that represented a corporation.

    “And why would a corporation want to quantify the meaninglessness of life?”

    “Because it would leave you empty, and every commercial you see is saying you lack something, that you’re failing in some way. But we can fix it for you. Advertising, to me, is designed to undercut any confidence you have and offer you the solution. It works just like Scientology.”

    http://www.torontosun.com/2014/07/21/terry-gilliam-talks-monty-python-zero-theorem-and-being-legendary

    • i-Betty

      Ahahahaha!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        You’ll be looking at every commercial tonight in a different light!

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s why Co$ has a personality test… “to undercut any confidence you have and offer you the solution.”

  • i-Betty

    O/T – For those of you fortunate enough to live near to the Oakland Metro Operahouse, Jamie DeWolfe has a new Tourettes Without Regrets event upcoming on August 8th.

    And just before I pack up for the night please could anyone who is in touch with them send Thetabara and PoisonIvy my love. I’ve not seen them here for absolutely ages. Thank you :)

    • Missionary Kid

      I sent Thetabara an email.

    • ThetaBara

      Hi sweetie! Thanks! I’m still around, but have been necessarily focused more on very local community activism these days. Still popping up for the occasional raid! Here’s the aftermath of the last one:

      • i-Betty

        There you are! :) I knew you’d still be busy with your beautiful pavement chalkings, but right now I’m rather interested in the bread. Is that garlic I smell? :P

        Lovely to see you and thanks for popping by to say hello. Miss you lots. Take care, TB :) x

        • ThetaBara

          It’s Anaanymous! And yes, with a ton of garlic.
          Keep up the good work! Like Arnie, I’ll be back. ;-)

  • Sunny Sands

    The Clearwater Chief of Police, Anthony Holloway, resigned today. He is going to be chief of police at the neighboring city of St. Petersburg. He’s been chief in Clearwater since 2010.

    This could be interesting to see what a new chief’s policies will be toward the cult. The Sooper Powerz building is 1 block away from the police department.

    http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2014/07/21/clearwater-police-chief-goes-to-st-pete/12938487/

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thanks for keeping us updated Sunny.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Hmmm. Why did he resign again? Kriseman is a rare fine govt guy. Not sure what tony’s deal is.

      • Sunny Sands

        I don’t know why he took the St. Pete job, but I’m guessing $$$ is behind it. St. Pete is a lot bigger than Clamwater and has more than twice the population.

    • aquaclara

      Thanks, Sunny!

  • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

    Mat sounds like an upbeat Robert De Niro.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Ok, I admit it. I really fucking miss ‘Jeb Burton’!
    Yeah, I said it. So WHAT!!!!

    • coonellie

      Is life that slow for you? You could always make a Clearwater Starbucks run and chat with the SOs ;).

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        See how easy it was to bring you outta the woodwork? ;-)

        • coonellie

          Thanks for the laugh!

          Actually, I’ve had three teenaged girls playing the game, Stanley, on my second Mac, so I needed something sane!

    • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

      You need help.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        ;-)
        I know.
        But i don’t want any!!!

        :-)

        • Baby

          Bring it to me Bury.. Gimmie Dat Butter.. How to Mr. Nuts..xoxoxo

          • jeff

            Baby, my good pie friend, do you have Netflix? If so, cue up Season 4, Episode 7. The woman in that episode so reminds me of your description of your friend Squeaky from the bar. It’s hilarious!

            • Baby

              Damn it.. I don’t.. Poop! Wah, Wah..I would love to see Squeaky on TV.. What a Freakin Weirdo.. ugh, ugh

              Just finished Peach Pie and ice cream! ( 1/2 of one)

              Get sick on Pie or go home..( hahaha)

            • jeff

              I’ll take the other half of that there peach pie!

            • Baby

              OMG TAKE IT AWAY.. I won’t be able to sleep with it in the house!! Expect Lion to come around looking for it too.. ; )

            • jeff

              Well, I just hope those peaches weren’t the ones being recalled due to Listeria.

            • Baby

              Gee thanks a lot Jeff.. You know when I can’t sleep tonight it will be give a good thing to think about..

            • jeff

              Well, it was out of Fresno[ there’s a good chance your peaches come from Georgia, so you should be OK.

            • Aslansown

              Hey — I missed this whole thing! Did you already eat the other half? (If it had been me I would have finished the whole thing at once!) Darn!

            • Baby

              OH HELL YES!! About half hr after I said I was sick..hahahahhaha None for hubby and destroyed evidence before my nephew knew it was even there..hahahha

            • Aslansown

              Destroyed the evidence!! I can’t believe how alike we are in the pie realm! The best thing about living alone is not having to worry about sneak eating!! :-D

            • Baby

              Hahahhaha.. Lucky Duck..xo ooooooooops I mean Lion

            • Aslansown

              Hahaha! I still remember the time when Bakers Square was around and I was craving French silk pie, so I bought one on Friday and just ate it from the pie plate with a spoon – I’d put it back in the fridge when I felt sick, then bring it out again….(Actually I shouldn’t laugh — that was actually a low point in my disordered eating history — it would have been better to have someone around…).

              Anyway, I was looking for you about 10 days ago when 1subgenius was taunting us with not only a description of the homemade pie he was going to have with ice cream, but a picture too!

              I NEED to come down there and have pie with you! What fun we would have (and of course, we would hide it from your husband and nephew!)

            • Baby

              Spoon , Pie and Me.. OH yes.. Many a time!

              and Yes.. you, jeff and I .. ( and anyone else) we will have our own pies..haha ..

            • Aslansown

              Sounds great! As soon as it starts getting cold up here expect me on your doorstep with pie (even though I don’t know where you live I’ll ask around at biker bars for the dishwasher who loves pie!!) ;-)

            • Baby

              hahahahahaha

            • Jimmy3

              I was watching the Netflix one night, just chillin out with some popped corn, when suddenly this strange lady came in and walked right up to me. I was like… hey, crazy lady, what are you up to? Whats you doin, crazy lady? She didn’t say a damn word. She didn’t even flinch. She just stood and stared. And stared. After about a minute of silence and staring, (and several failed attempts to blind dial 911 in my pocket), she reached down and took a massive two-finger scoop out of my popcorn bowl. WTF.

              Now, as you can imagine, the two-finger popcorn scoop is a difficult method of popcorn acquisition, so it should come as no surprise that popcorn spilled every which way. Popcorn was simply everywhere. But she did manage to get a mouthful and she chomped away at it while continuing to stare at me. When she finished eating her bite of my popcorn, she checked my fridge for chili and then she checked all my window sills for pie. She left out the back door without ever uttering a single word. It only now occurs to me that this strange wanderer must have been the legendary Squeaky.

            • Baby

              Hahahahahahaha Shit.. That is something Squeaky would do 3… ugh.. LOSER..

              I wonder what cult she’s in now.. Last time I talked to her she was checking into the SO

              I wouldn’t even wish that on her.. but then again she was a Flirty Fisherwoman.. Bleh..

              But she has definitely left the area!

            • jeff

              Did she come in through the bathroom window?

            • Jimmy3

              No, where I’m from bathrooms don’t have windows, which is a good thing, because no one wants to see my pale white ass. All the doors and windows were locked and undamaged. My best guess is that she is a ghost or some sort of shapeshifter and managed to get in through the dryer chute.

    • ThetaBara

      What happened to Jeb? Jeez, I wander off for a while to do IRL stuff and when I make it back I need a whole new program just to figure out the dramatis personae!

  • Ed Chan

    At 57:30 into this video Mat Pesch suggests seeking the FBI’s help if you need it!
    Report Human Trafficking/Get Help
    - Call 1-888-373-7888
    http://www.fbi.gov/…/inve…/civilrights/human_trafficking

    • Narapoid

      I posted before I saw your comment. Thanks Ed!

  • Narapoid

    Holy Shitballs! Just listened to the interview and the BLOCKBUSTER at the end was the fact that the FBI will assist newly blown Sea Org through the Human Trafficking division. This is the first I have heard of it. Hmmm, building cases?

    Those poor ignorant souls running blow drills could be arrested and treated like pimps. Years behind bars for supporting their church. Or just following orders…

    • ThetaBara

      WOW. If this is true, it’s huge. Thanks for pointing that out! I sense new ChalkTech coming on…

      • Missionary Kid

        Did you get my email? i-Betty was looking for you to say “Hi.”

        • ThetaBara

          I did and thanks! Emailed you back. :-) Good to hear from ya!

          • Missionary Kid

            I didn’t get any emails or postings on Facebook. Email me at skepticalmissionarrykid at gmail.com

      • Missionary Kid

        Oops, I found your reply to her. I shoulda checked first. ChalkTech rules!

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush
    • Baby

      OK.. Seeing Cruise dance on BET has confirmed the fact that he is NOT gay..

      I have never seen a gay guy dance THAT bad.. OMG Such a douche..

      • Baby

        Uh that said.. I ain’t sayin he’s straight either.. He’s Just NOT into you ( Men or Women..)

    • Baby

      OMG went back again to see if it was really THAT bad.. YEP.. He gives all white people a bad name.

      Was he pretending he was riding a motorcycle..? Please tell me NO..ugh… I remember a concert he and Katie went to and he was dancing in background. I remember how lame he was.. PUKE..

  • Panopea Abrupta
  • xjohnuk

    Against the cult, we are all ‘Brothers and Sisters in Arms’. Alex, God bless you young man. We won’t desert you again. Karen, what to say. What do we know.

    • Karen de la Carriere

      Thank you kindly xjohnuk <3

  • CherryPitz

    OT – First time joining the discussion. I’ve been lurking since the VV days. I’m a never in who is appalled and infuriated by CO$. The reason I delurked is because I want feedback on a situation I am facing. My state has a primary election coming up in Aug. Due to some redrawn state legislative district boundaries, my incumbent state legislator is a person who appeared onstage at the area Ideal Morgue opening, right up there next to Dinky Meatbody. This was a while back when this politician did not represent me. So what do people think is the deal with these politicos who participate in these kinds of events? Are they clueless tools of the CO$, in cahoots with the “church”, die-hard Scilons, or what? How does the church pick which politicians to invite to, say, the opening of an Ideal Morgue? I am thinking of contacting my legislative person’s office for a statement on the person’s affiliation with CO$. But I am also kind of scared to do that, in case the person turns out to be a koolaid drinker. Any ideas?

    • Tony Ortega

      Thanks for speaking up, CP. I would say that most if not all of the local politicians who show up at an Ideal Org opening are just gladhanding morons. Sacramento mayor Kevin Johnson, for example, is the kind of Bible-thumper who hears “church” and “new building in my city” and figures he’s going to show up and win some votes, not realizing that he’s just going to be the butt of jokes for doing so.

      Your official probably has much more important things to judge them on than that they showed up to shake hands at a Scientology event.

      • aquaclara

        I agree. Other than the locked-in handful of bought politicians in key locations (think Clearwater, LA, and the counties they reside in), most public officials are more concerned with coverage-how can they be at more events and glad-hand potential voters.

      • CherryPitz

        Tony, I am so pleased that the first reply to my first post is from Our Proprietor. Thank you for your take on the politician angle. I would normally vote for this particular legislator, except my knowledge of their appearance at the Ideal Morgue event gave me considerable pause.

        • Ruby

          Thank you for being here.

        • Captain Howdy

          Hillary Clinton reportedly received 250k from Cruise & Holmes in her presidential bid. The scilons don’t care about anyone’s political persuasion as long as that person does their bidding and the politicians don’t care where the money comes from as long as it doesn’t come back to haunt them.

      • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

        KJ is an idiot.

    • i-Betty

      Welcome, Cherry. It’s great to have you here :) Fantastic first comment!

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    What a great interview and laying out of the Flag money weekly!

    The generation that is getting older, once gone, unreplaced by new Sea Org, will also happen in 2-3 decades.

    The illusion of real estate improvement all for balancing their “assets and reserves” that was a real eye opening assessment Mat made!

    What happens when they run out of “Ideal Org” real estate solutions, though!

    I know the Hubbard refund/repayment self created problem, and the bigger problem, is NO Hubbard policy way to cancel one of the policies Hubbard set up.

    They need to cancel the refurn/repayment Hubbard policy, but there’s no Hubbard policy saying they can cancel it, and canceling it outright would set such a new precedent that they have NOT been able to just cancel some of the Hubbard “keystone” policies.

    Cancel refund repayment. Cancel disconnection. Cancel a whole bunch of fad policy mistakes that are their Catch 22 solutions to the bad Hubbard policy!

    Scientology is implementing their Catch 22s to solve the Hubbard policy conflicts, is the end game natural solution, I see now, of the Hubbard bureaucratic policy setups and limitations HE’S responsible for.

    Hubbard’s own policies cause the movement these Gordian Knots that fad Catch 22 implementation “solves” but forces them to do their endless “routing out” blocking staff from leaving.

    So good to hear that the FBI offers help for Human Trafficing victims, and that Scientologist staffs qualify as Human Trafficing victims!!!! That is so good, and that will become very good news that protesters at Ideal Orgs should share with the Scientology staffs walking in and out of the Ideal Org churches who are poor and suffering due to the crazy Scientology Ideal Org church enforced poverty and staff abuse!

    So many amazing nuggest of info in this interview, thanks so much Mat and Jeff!

    • Jimmy3

      “What happens when they run out of “Ideal Org” real estate solutions, though!”

      Seeing as Org buildings can now become Humanitarian, I don’t see why Scientologists cannot become Ideal. Maybe that is the next step. The whales must all become Ideal Individuals.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Hubbard’s prolific mediocre sci fi and pulp adventure writer career influenced greatly his Dianetics and Scientology “serious” wordplay propaganda and massive tomes of unrealistic policy for running the Scientology organizations today and Hubbard’s redefinition of relgiion to suit his imagined role here on earth and in the universe, this whole Hubbard trend of the mediocre but hype misuse of words is carried on by his followers misusing language with abandon today, in even less impressive and less convincing ways compared to bad Hubbard’s misuse!

        • Missionary Kid

          Well put. $cientology = personal hubris + grandiose illusions + fantasies of a science fiction writer who didn’t understand science.

    • Missionary Kid

      I say the solution is simpler: Cancel Co$. Those policies are all a part of the DNA of $cientology.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Hubbard’s writing is seen through, it’s Clear to smarter readers just reading Hubbard’s writings in Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, how mediocre hyped and unfounded it is, despite the rave it caused.

        Hubbard’s style doesn’t get any better than DMMSH. He had no real moment in his whole wiritten “corpus” life where he doubted the validity of his whole voluminous creative organizational efforts and his auditing/exoricsm practices.

        Only first in “Going Clear…” final pages do you get the news that he finally admitted to Sarge Steven Pfauth that he’d failed. (And that “I failed” moment is expanded in Chapter 24 of Marty Rathbun’s 3rd book.)

        When Marty was asked what would Ron do it Ron did “come back” to earth. Marty said he thought LRH would scrap the whole organizational setups and “start over.” Being that the thetan that LRH really is, supposedly, I don’t think the world is waiting to hear from Ron again!

        If spiritual leaders in human history are simply reincarnating “Master” type of people, and Hubbard was supposedly one of them, and if soul transmigration is really real (I don’t think it is at all), then Hubbard could be back!

        “I’m Back!” Some person might inspiredly say, but they’d be laughed at widely, if anyone chose that role in life, to pretend/believe they were Hubbard come back! It might though, falsely bolster the already false religious foundation story line of Hubbard’s.

        Martin Gardner’s “Fads and Fallacies” totally dismisses Hubbard, and is the quick short read to put Hubbard in 1950s context, when Ron Hubbard should have really admitted failure and quit his “role” as religion/civilization savior!

        • Missionary Kid

          It’s my belief that Jesus would be thrown out of most churches that profess to follow him today.

          I’m not saying LRH is Christ-like in any way, but, on the other hand, he would be very disappointed at how DM has diminished the church, while he would be pleased at the amount of money he’s pulled out of the minions.

          LRH would never admit failure publicly. That’s bad PR, and his public hubris was too big to admit it .

    • Mat Pesch

      Glad you liked it. Part 2 will be coming later this week. We cover more interesting data regarding the money that the public and most staff are clueless about.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Thank you, Mat!

  • Lady Squash

    Karen, Words fail me. What the Church did to you son and what they do to many is horrendous. My heart breaks for you and for your son who had to bear this incident in silence and enforced shame. Hideous. Keep up the good work.

    • Karen de la Carriere

      He worked as a slave cleaning toilets and vacuuming floors with no schooling for a year and a half.

      His father was being tortured at INT Base, forced to clean huge buses morning noon and night in between confessionals to give up his crimes, secrets and witholds while the CULT withheld and kept Secret Alexander Jentzsch sexual intercourse 2x at 12 years old.

      I had barely come out of the Church ~~ only DAYS not weeks, when I received this type of Email.

      STATEMENT
      FROM KIRSI OJAMO

      (OSA Flag STAFF at the time of the Alexander sexual intercourse at 12 years old.

      I was a member of the Sea Organization from August 1989 till August 2007. It was when I
      worked in the Office of Special Affairs Flag Land Base, that I learned about the
      rape of Alexander Jentzsch, then a 12 or 13 years son of Karen De La
      Carriere and Heber Jentzsch. I started working in OSA in January 1997 and it was
      during that year when I learned about the rape through my then co-worker Annie
      Mora, who had been assigned to keep an eye on Alexander from the point of time
      he was received at the Flag Land Base.

      The rape incident involved a female FSO Dept 5 staff Marie Warren, seducing Alex to have
      sex with her in one of the crew berthing apartments. Once this incident became
      known by Annie Mora she was executing the immediate handling which included
      making sure the knowledge of the rape isn´t spreading not only inside the church
      but to the outside; it would have been devastating to the image of the church to
      have this crime become general knowledge. Another action was to transfer
      Alexander and Marie out of Florida to California to help cover it up from the
      Authorities. Needless to say Alexander´s rape was a huge flap and would be the
      kind of incident OSA staff would automatically deal with, hence my knowledge of
      it.
      Sincerely,
      Kirsi Ojamo
      kirsi.ojamo@gmail.com

      • Baby

        Karen and J

        Bring this Fuckin Cult down! .. I am so sorry.. I feel as sick about reading this now as when I first read it.

        (HUGS) xoxoxo Baby

        • Karen de la Carriere

          Baby.
          Covert Fair Fame operations at me for 2 straight years after the death of Alexander. The Church will rue and regret the day they came after me.

          • i-Betty

            Damn right they will *furious face*

          • Baby

            Karen I just want to hold you sometimes.. You have been through too much. Damn it..

      • CherryPitz

        Karen, I am so sorry for what has happened to you and Alexander and Heber. I am sending you cyber hugs and support.

        • Karen de la Carriere

          Thank you for your kind words Cherry.

      • Lady Squash

        Just unbelievable. I am so sorry.

  • edge

    Terrific interview. I remember the Jason Beghe interview with Mark Bunker and Jason mentioning all of the unused money on account.

  • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

    Goodnight All!
    (refresh)

    • Baby

      Sweet dreams Nat ; 0

  • DodoTheLaser

    Great questions and great answers. Thank you Jeffrey and Mat!

    Really good to know that FBI is willing to help anyone who left the Sea Org.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ REMINDER +–+RED X +–+ REMINDER ***

    Hyder & Rip are producing the Daily list today, they will post around 7am edt.
    Meanwhile you can scan yesterday’s list to Flag the Blues and RE-Flag the purples.

    We are battling to get JJ out of Boston, many of the RED Xers are on summer vacation,
    It is left to us to re-double our efforts, Use the Reboot Router Tech
    to acquire a new IP and more flagging power.

    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2472833
    Change your bookmark to replace https:// by http:// without the *S*
    Scroll down for the subsequent updates & alerts

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    Ty Grace & Cars

  • valshifter

    I cannot wait for the day when all the scientology mystery deaths start to come up on the HLN channel.

  • i-Betty

    Court-approved Parenting Classes. Now in the 30th year.

    Don’t accept any program that’s less than the best for your children. Be sure its court-approved. This has been for thirty years.

    This ad appears on the CL list – http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cls/4548090839.html

    It might not be scientology but the jargon near the bottom sounds pretty familiar:

    Move your household from struggle to cooperation, from DIScord to ACCord, from litigation to mediation, from hostility to better understanding, peace and civility.

    In which case: which court and how?

    • Graham

      This one was discussed quite a while ago and the consensus seemed to be that it was not $camatology. Not being from the US myself I don’t know what penalties there would be for wrongly claiming court approval. But presumably not worth the risk, even for $camos?

      The wording is similar, but $camatology has stolen a lot from the Positive Thinking and New Age movements, so perhaps it’s just coincidental?

  • DodoTheLaser

    Love is the only God and freedom.

    This Love – Sarah Brightman (with lyrics)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaDd0P93OmM

  • Hyder Simpson

    RED X LIST IS UP RED X LIST IS UP

    Rip and I are trying a slightly different format today. It’s a focused list for those who don’t have time to flag every ad but still want to travel a bit and see the whole country. Unlike previous daily lists, this is a list of individual ads instead of a list of search pages. All the ads have been placed within the last 48 hours. A link to the more comprehensive regional list is also provided. Feedback welcome.

    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2473011

    • DodoTheLaser

      Impressive. Ty.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      It’s a thing of beauty.
      Thank you, Hyder and Rip.
      Makes it SO easy to nail the most vulnerable ads – just like the Crutch tries to nail the most vulnerable.
      Mmmm mmmm mmmm!

    • Graham

      Great idea. I often only have time to flag new ads, so this saves me having to scan the purples to find the blues.

      Ads on the list will stay on until taken down, or removed after 48hrs? Hopefully the latter?
      Many thanks for this. a very useful tool.

      • Hyder Simpson

        Thx, Graham, I’m glad you like the list. I’m not sure what you are asking, though. The list on wwp will not be edited but a new 48 Hour list can be posted latter in the week.

        • Graham

          Thx Hyder. You’ve answered my question. I was wondering if it would be a rolling list, being regularly updated. But you are saying it will stay there until someone gets the time to create a new one. That’s fine.

          • Hyder Simpson

            Well, you know, I’m trying to get on Big Pharma’s payroll so I can devote my whole day to creating new lists and flagging CL ads. Do you know who I should call? Rip would do it for biscuits but you can’t buy new keyboards with biscuits.

            • Graham

              It’s definitely a task which needs dogged determination :-)

    • Eileen

      Thanks, made early am flagging easy.

    • i-Betty

      This is fantastic. Under 5 minutes to flag them all. Thank you, Hyder :)

  • mud

    Welcome to the Miscavige Motel for the Criminally Insane …

    • DodoTheLaser

      Glorified Budget Inn with a perpetually unused swimming pool.

      • mud

        That is the “OPA”
        Overboarding Practice Area

    • J. Swift

      Another place to cram outer org trainees into and charge them $150 per night for shared accommodations, i.e. four to a room.

  • Eugene K

    Hey. Is there anywhere I can see instructions for the infamous Truth Rundown? I want to see the actual procedure.

  • Eugene K

    The more I learn about Scientology, the more it looks like some bottomless pit of atrocities.