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Where is Scientology keeping Samantha Sterne?

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In the fall of 2012, Mary Jane Sterne couldn’t have been any prouder. Her daughter, Samantha Paige Sterne, was beginning her first semester as a freshman at the University of Oregon. Samantha’s older sister Brittaney — Mary Jane’s daughter from a previous marriage — was on hand, and so was her ex-husband Chuck Sterne, Samantha’s father. It was a celebration, the family setting up “Sami” in her freshman dorm as the young pre-med major began her college experience.

Just a few months later, Sami was out of the University of Oregon, had signed a billion-year contract with the Church of Scientology, and now won’t communicate with her mother or her mother’s other two children.

She’s “disconnected” from them in the Scientology way, and Mary Jane only has a vague notion of where her daughter is and what she’s doing.

Yes, even as Scientology is dwindling and splitting apart, it still has the power to attract young people into its ranks, often resulting in families being torn apart.

Last year we told you about two young women in Los Angeles who signed the Sea Organization’s billion-year contract only weeks after first hearing about Scientology. Even today, with so much information about the controversial church on the Internet, some young people are still susceptible to its call.

Samantha Sterne has been around Scientology much of her life because her parents were members. And no one gets heavier recruitment than the children of Scientologists. But Mary Jane tells us that her daughter had only minimal contact with the church growing up. Then, a little more than a year ago, Sami spent 11 days at one of its headquarters. And in just that time, everything changed.

 

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Mary Jane Barry met Chuck Sterne in California in 1992. Originally from New York, Mary Jane was divorced and had two children, Brittaney and Colton, when she met Chuck, who had been a Scientologist since the 1970s. (We left a message with Chuck Sterne, but haven’t received a reply.)

Chuck also had two children, daughters from a previous marriage. Mary Jane and Chuck married in 1993 and then had Sami in 1994. A couple of years later, Mary Jane says her own involvement in her husband’s church began to pick up. When the marriage struggled, Mary Jane was encouraged to go through Scientology marriage counseling, which resulted in her making some trips to Scientology’s spiritual headquarters — the Flag Land Base (or “Flag”) in Clearwater, Florida. Things continued to deteriorate, however, and by 2004 their divorce was final.

Mary Jane says that her involvement in Scientology lessened after her divorce, and her own children were never interested in it. And as time passed, she began to be even more disillusioned with it. Like many other longtime church members, she was shocked by what former Scientology executive Debbie Cook revealed in her 2012 New Year’s Eve e-mail and Cook’s subsequent testimony when she was sued by the church.

Later that year, Sami began her freshman year at Oregon. At Thanksgiving, she came home and posted a photograph of herself with her mother on Instagram…

 
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And then she came home for Christmas and had another normal family celebration.

Samantha had very little involvement in Scientology growing up — she had been exposed to some “Study Tech,” Mary Jane says. And in December, at Christmas, she told her mother that she was convinced Scientology “doesn’t work.”

But then, two days after Christmas 2012, Sami took a trip to Flag with her father.

“She was going to do an allergy rundown. I knew she was there, and I was a little concerned about it. She was a complete rookie,” Mary Jane says. Eleven days later, on January 7, Sami returned to California, and Mary Jane says everything had changed.

“When she came home, I could tell immediately that she was very odd. She was sitting on the arm of the couch, avoiding contact,” Mary Jane says. Then came the surprise.

“Mom, I want you to know I signed a Sea Org contract.”

Mary Jane couldn’t believe it.

Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard ran Scientology from sea during the years 1967 to 1975, sailing three ships with a small force of dedicated young followers who came to be known as the “Sea Organization.” To this day, Scientology is run by the Sea Org, men and women who wear quasi-naval uniforms, have naval ranks, and sign contracts for a billion years of service. The children of Scientologists are under intense pressure to join the elite corps, and we’ve talked to people who were pressured to sign contracts as young as seven years old. Sea Org workers toil for about 110 hours a week, and for pennies an hour, and never have days off. They live in dormitory conditions, and can spend years separated from their families. Much of the work they do is menial. Mary Jane knew all of that, and realized that her daughter must have been under constant pressure during her stay in Florida to sign up and give up her college dreams and any plans for spending time with her family.

“No way you’re quitting college,” Mary Jane told her daughter.

She tells us that she tried to think of a way to get her daughter to pay attention to the information that was coming out about Scientology. She knew that the publication of a memoir by Jenna Miscavige Hill — niece to the church leader, David Miscavige — was just days from being published. She knew it was going to kick up a lot of negative publicity about the church in the press. Could she get Samantha to pay attention to it?

“I was going to make sure she didn’t go into the Sea Org,” she says. But she had an emergency to take care of in Los Angeles — an ailing aunt — and Samantha used the opportunity to go back to Flag for her “EPF.”

The Estates Project Force is a kind of “boot camp” for Sea Org members. But during Sami’s EPF, Mary Jane was still in contact with her daughter, and kept trying to get her to pay attention to what Debbie Cook and Jenna Miscavige Hill had said about Scientology’s abuses.

Then, in March, Sami came back to California.

“I didn’t see her for a few days. I knew they were trying to handle me,” she says.

Mary Jane says she knew that if she put up enough of a stink, the Sea Org might not want her daughter. The people at the local “org,” in Sacramento, were visiting her house, trying to convince Mary Jane to let her daughter do what she wanted. “The people from the org were trying to handle me,” she says.

“One evening I got off work, and I got a phone call from my daughter. ‘I’m around the block, can I come see you?’ she said. She came by that night, and we spoke for a short time,” Mary Jane says. “I told her, ‘I’m going to do everything in my power to keep you out of the Sea Org. If you want to go to Sac State, that’s fine with me, but you’re not leaving college’.”

But Mary Jane learned that she was up against a team that was working against her. She obtained the following two e-mails, which show how Samantha was talking to a Sea Org trainer named Torin at Flag, in Florida, who was encouraging her to “handle” her mother as Sami was working through Scientology’s “PTS/SP” course — a course that all Scientologists take to help indoctrinate them against people who speak negatively about the church.

 

Torin,

So I thought I would just update you on everything that’s been going on for the past few days. My dad and I flew home from Flag Thursday morning and drove straight to the Sac Org to get this all handled! I haven’t been in comm with my mom since I last spoke to her with you; however, Evelyn has been in comm with her and has been updating me on my aunt’s condition. Apparently my aunt is doing better and my mom is scheduled to come to the org and is requesting that I just come see her at the house, but Jeremy is scheduled to call her on Tuesday evening and get her into the org. So we’ll see how things work out! Hopefully all goes well.

Currently, I am working on the PTS/SP course and reading Self-Analysis at night while I’m home. Yesterday, I memorized and passed the Tone Scale Patter. (WOOT WOOT!) I have a few questions, though, regarding my return. If I wrap this whole cycle up in the next ~6 days with my mom (and she is totally handled), will I still need to complete the PTS/SP course in order to return? And if not, what other requirements are there that I need to accomplish before returning? Thank you so much, sir!

ARC,
Sami

 
Samantha here sounds determined to return to Flag so she can join the Sea Org — but they don’t want her as long as her mother is saying negative things about Scientology. A critic of Scientology is a “Suppressive Person” (SP), and having a connection to her makes Samantha herself a “Potential Trouble Source” (PTS). As long as Sami is “PTS to an SP,” she isn’t fit to be in the Sea Org. Her mother has to be “handled” — which means that Mary Jane has to be convinced to come down to the org for some mental reconditioning. Torin is impressed that Samantha understands the situation so well…

 

Dear Samantha,

Wow you are on a roll! Thank you for the update. That is not an easy patter to pass!

Obviously keep rolling on your PTS/SP course. Keep me updated with what is happening, because once your mom makes it into the org, I will need to alert OSA as to what occurred and can propose you coming back. Handled will obviously mean she is “with Scientology” and willing to continue on course and cut with her enemy connections.

So, no PTS/SP is not being mandated as having to be completed before you come back, but obviously that is the full tech of how to get your mother sorted out.

Keep it up as you are doing amazing.

ARC, Torin

 
Torin encourages Samantha in thinking that her mother has “enemy connections” and that she needs handling. And once something is done about it, he can contact OSA — the Office of Special Affairs, Scientology’s intelligence bureau.

But Mary Jane wasn’t cooperating. There was no way she was going anywhere near the “org.”

Samantha came by again, shortly after the previous visit. This time, she was carrying a backpack.

“‘Mom, you have to go by the org,’ she told me,” Mary Jane says. “I told her it’s not going to happen. I argued with her about what kind of information to trust about the church.”

That March 2013 visit was the last time Mary Jane saw her daughter.

Knowing that her mother was devastated, Brittany asked Mary Jane to move to Virginia to be closer to her. Samantha has also cut off ties with Brittaney and Colton, her siblings.

In August, Sami sent her mother a letter, apologizing for not handling things better at their last meeting in March. Sami also sent her mother a text on her last birthday. But since then, nothing.

“I didn’t hear anything from her on Thanksgiving. On Christmas. I sent her something on her birthday in April, but I didn’t hear anything,” Mary Jane says.

We asked her if she knew where Samantha is now and what she’s doing. She says Samantha still hasn’t been allowed in the Sea Org because Mary Jane hasn’t been “handled,” so, to the best of her knowledge, her daughter is in Los Angeles, “doing the Bridge” (taking Scientology courses) with money from her father.

“I’ve been so close to my children,” Mary Jane says, sounding distraught. She said she knows that when this article appears, she’ll probably be formally “declared” a “suppressive person,” making it even more likely that Samantha will remain disconnected from her, at least in the short run.

But she isn’t giving up. “I love her with all my heart and will do whatever it takes to make sure she understands the truth,” Mary Jane says.

 
For other recent stories about disconnection, please see our piece about Gayle Smith, and Joe Childs’s story at the Tampa Bay Times about Sara Goldberg.

 
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Scientology needs lawyers!

Another fun skit from Karen de la Carriere and Jeffrey Augustine…

 

 
And one more thing. Um, what the hell?

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 6, 2014 at 07:00

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  • Elar Aitch

    How do we make this story go national?

    • NOLAGirl

      I like how you think E.A. 🙂

      • Elar Aitch

        I have tweeted and facebooked to my pathetic group of followers. People have to know that this ridiculous cult can still steal their children.

        eta – pathetic in number, but simply stunning individuals

    • Elaine Rogers-Scheno

      Social media is a powerful tool, if we all share this story and ask all our friends to share we can easily bring this story nationwide even worldwide. I have known MaryJane my whole life, a better mom you will not find. she gave her daughter all the warnings of getting involved in this organization. Her daughter never showed any desire to be involved she verbalized her distaste for this “cult” many times, saying she wanted nothing to do with it. She was focused on college and her future unfortunatley she is a very naive young woman and probably never saw this coming, especially when your own father is the facilitater, you trust your Dad would never do anything to hurt you. MaryJane had the kind of relationship with her daughter that was envied by all who know them. I pray that this story has a happy ending for My best friend who I love and support in all of this and her beautiful, loving children. She will not stop her fight and should not, (she is after all a New Yorker and we dont like to lose)

      • aquaclara

        This is a lovely note. I was in high school in Clearwater, Florida, when the cult began their invasion. The parents and family members standing outside the Fort Harrison hotel pleading to see their kids broke my heart.

        It’s why I’m still here, following them now. It has to change; it’s been allowed to continue for far too long. There are families still hurting even after all these years.

        I pray that Mary Jane’s daughter sees quickly that all that was promised is false, and that the freedoms and love she enjoyed before CAN happen again. She’s in my prayers.

      • Elar Aitch

        Please pass our love to Mary Jane, Elaine. It has been said many time on critical sites that mothers will be the death knock of this cult. Scientology is in decline, and since Sami knows the love of her mother, she will miss it sorely once the love-bombing stops. It sounds like Mary Jane’s reaction is keeping her out so far.

    • Demand the LAPD check to see if she’s alive, have some Scientology human rights criminal issue a public statement saying “she’s fine, really. Trust us” and then make sure news outlets are aware that the LAPD did not even bother to see where she is or if she’s still alive.

  • If we didn’t have the more recent example of a bunch of lunatic teen girls being emotionally misled into attempted murder by such epic fake being as “Slender Man” I might wonder how Scientology is able to continuing perpetuating a scam of this dimension. Given the amount of effort and attention to detail with Scientology compared with the more relatively free-form “slender man” is there any reason not to expect that people (specially gullible youth) will be misled? Enjoy.

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    A pre-med’s potential and career cut down… just like that.

    Disgusting cult.

    • We may see her emerge back in to the real world once these Scientology ringleaders are put in prison and the criminal enterprise is rolled up. But I think it more likely that she will realize she’s been lied to and has been turned in to a slave and will leave — almost everyone eventually wises up.

  • Observer

    This one is hitting me particularly hard this morning. This disgusting cult–the cult, not the people in it, OSA–needs to be obliterated, along with the name of the monster who created it.

    • NOLAGirl

      Me too! Haven’t even gotten into my coffee and I’m throwing around curse words.

      • philosofa

        Me three! Naive young Sami is paying a high price for her current choice – with encouragement from her $cion father, no doubt – and my heart goes out to Mary Jane, Brittany and their family.

        Things are changing fast though and the fortunes of the cult are on a downward spiral. Hopefully not too many months/years will be sacrificed before this lovely young girl wakes up and blows, to. returns to her loving family and a potentially bright future in the real world. Stay strong, Mary Jane.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Me four. Such bullshit and a mindfuck.

        • Zana

          I am really pissed that her own father would take her there and get her sucked in. Where is HE in all this?

          • KNMF

            It’s tantamount to selling one’s daughter into slavery. Samanta’s dad was probably upstat for a day and got some pats on the head.

            It makes this dad sick. It is hard to believe what these people do to their own families.
            Hubbard’s “tech” obliterates the most basic instincts in parents.

            • Zana

              I agree. He sold his own daughter into slavery and it was not from need, as in some Asian countries. It was, as you said, to get a few pats on the head or some more auditing… Or maybe to “get back” at his ex-wife for something. It could not have been for dire basic needs. It infuriates me.

      • Lori Hodgson

        Me too!!!

        • stillgrace2

          The day we are all waiting for is coming soon, Lori. Much love and hang in there.

          • Lori Hodgson

            Can’t wait!!! Thank you! ❤️

        • joan nieman

          Lori I was thinking of you as I read about Mary Jane. So may families broken apart, it is more than heart-breaking. We must all keep faith and continue to expose the lies. Love out to all the families affected by this evil cult. Keep up the hope. The chirch will fall, perhaps slowly at first, but, damn it, they will fall and I praise the day.!

          • Lori Hodgson

            So ready for that day! We will all have the biggest celebration ever with all our disconnected loved ones back together again! I get happy tears with just the idea of that.

            • Jane Doe 2

              This story hit close to home. The same thing happened with me and my kids. The church turns them against you, convinces them you are an SP, that you are connected with SP’s, won’t let them look or hear the truth. And if the SO wants a recruit, there are many behind the scenes coaching them against you, convincing them that you are dirt. So you are opposed by many and they work behind the scenes in covert ways. They don’t let the kid have equal time with you and them. They aren’t allowed to even look at the truth, and you become persona non gratis to the very ones you gave life to and nurtured and loved their whole life. How quickly their love for you is turned to hate by the hater handlers. May the church come down soon! And I’ll be here waiting for you both with open arms when you finally flee.

            • i-Betty

              My god, I’m so sorry 🙁

            • Jane Doe 2

              Thank you Betty and Unex

            • Unex Skcus

              This so horrible… feeling for you.

        • LeeAnneClark

          I too thought of you when I read this article, Lori. As a mother of two young adults myself I always think of you whenever I hear about parents being forcibly disconnected from their young-adult children. Your story keeps me motivated in continuing to spread the word to everyone I can about the horrors of $cientology, and what it does to families.

          Keep the faith!

          • Lori Hodgson

            I will! Thank you , LeeAnneClark ❤️

        • Elar Aitch

          Hugs Lori

          • Lori Hodgson

            Hugs back atcha!

  • NOLAGirl

    Someday Dave, the karma of breaking up families is going to come around for you. Whether you’re looking at the inside of jail bars or staring down the barrel of a SWAT weapon, I don’t give A FUCK!! Either way is fine with me, but retribution will be had for all the families. And not even your high-priced lawyers can buy you out of ALL that is coming around for you.

    Mary Jane, if you’re reading this today. Hang in there love. You raised a smart girl, she’ll come around eventually. The Bunker is always here for you.

  • D.Y.G.

    This one really hits me. I have three sons in college, one of whom is also a pre-med student. This is, at least for some of kids, a very vulnerable period in their lives. It’s the first time they’ve ever been truly without their parents to guide them in real time. One bad decision can have a lasting impact on their lives. The idea that they might throw away such amazing opportunities on a cult – it’s not something that is in the mind of any parent.

    The one advantage I have is that I read the stories every day here, so I can warn my kids to be aware of love-bombing cults. Kids walk into lecture halls in the mornings and see “self-help” fliers that someone has left on their seats. My sons send me pics of them once in a while and I’m terrified for the kids who aren’t aware. The cults are there, probably targeting every large campus.

    • Observer

      It sounds to me like her father was the driving force behind this. That is absolutely evil and despicable.

      • NOLAGirl

        I was just about to say something about him. Whatta Prick! She had a promising career ahead of her and he decides she’d be better off in the Sea Arghhh??

        When the day comes that this all crumbles, I’d like a few words with her father….behind the building, next to dumpster…in case you want to meet me there Obs. 🙂

      • Elar Aitch

        You have to wonder what he gets in return for offering up is child.

        • Observer

          Exactly. It’s appalling how many Scientologists seem willing to throw their children under the bus for some kind of perceived “spiritual benefit”. Derek’s parents come to mind. And it usually seems to be grieving mothers who reap the consequences.

          • Elar Aitch

            Tommy Davis has nothing on how angry I feel.

            • Observer

              He deserves it, but he was also one of the kids thrown under the bus–in his case, by his vapid, brainwashed idiot of a mother.

            • Elar Aitch

              Yeah, I can sometimes muster up a bit of compassion for the tool. Tonight I just read the headline, saw the photo and straight away wanted to howl.

            • Suppressive Meritorius

              refresh

            • Elar Aitch

              Take that Anne Archer

      • D.Y.G.

        Yeah, I got that out of the story. A kid is even more vulnerable when a parent is leading them down the wrong path. I think it’s astonishing how quickly the daughter was able to cut her mother out of decisions. I know I might be missing some of the tone and emotions behind them, but they seem utterly callous – “she is totally handled”.

        • Observer

          She probably wasn’t thinking past the fact that her dad was paying attention to her and was approving of her.

          • D.Y.G.

            Love-bombing, yep. She probably had a lot of people who were telling her how awesome she is and how she’s really going to make a difference. We like you – we really, really like you.

            And then there’s her mom urging caution and giving her “negative” information. It got twisted into “suppression”.

            • Elar Aitch

              She would also have been shamed about doing something so selfish as pursuing a career in medicine when there was a planet to clear. The Sea Org is the best way to help people blah blah bah

            • D.Y.G.

              Here’s the kid who might have cured the cancer that’s killing all those OTs. Congratulations?

            • Elar Aitch

              Like you DYG, I have a child in college – second year, but shortly leaving home to continue studies. They get to this age and you think you’re relatively safe, having got them through high school and teenage years.

            • NOLAGirl

              Mine is going into Jr. High and I already fear when he’ll want to leave for school. I may need you and D.Y.G. to pull me off the ledge when that time comes. 🙂

            • D.Y.G.

              It’s rough! They don’t teach life skills in high school anymore so all that shit is up to you – everything from balancing a checkbook to teaching them how to check the oil on their cars. And then he leaves and you’ll worry that you taught him enough.

            • NOLAGirl

              My grandmother told me the only time a mother truly stops worrying is when she’s dead. So WTH….I’m rolling with it and doing the best I can. 🙂

            • D.Y.G.

              Yes, roll with it. Keep a laid back attitude and don’t show any emotion when you sign $19,000.00 student loan papers. You can drink yourself into a stupor later. 😉

            • Missionary Kid

              I was having a discussion with my oldest, who was in high school. I told him that his job was to go to school and do the best he could, and that my job was to keep him alive.

              I think I saw a jolt from what I said in his eyes because I think he thought I was going to say something like, “My job is to make sure you become a productive citizen” or something like that.

            • joan nieman

              Love what you said MK.

            • Missionary Kid

              It was one of those, “I can’t believe I just said that” moments.

            • chukicita

              TALK to your kids! I’ve posted before that my mom gave me Dianetics when I was in high school and only asked me to read it and tell me what she thought (she was so relieved when I told her I thought it was crap). Show them the stories we learn here and other places on the web! Teach them the Baloney Detection Kit! I have kids in college and high school, and took them to pickets so they could see for themselves.

            • D.Y.G.

              I’m convinced the end of high school is just the beginning of a new set of worries. Kids that age think they’re indestructible.

          • MissCandle

            I agree with you, Obs. Sami knows that her mother will love her “no matter what.” Sami did what she did for her father’s “love.”

          • aquaclara

            And girls at that age often take full advantage of their freedom and of breaking away from mom rules. Given that her parents were divorced, it wouldn’t take much love-bombing from an up til then absentee dad to sway her.

            And usually a trip to Florida in the winter isn’t a tough sell, either.

            This just disgusts me to see how she was played.

            • Observer

              I hope her father lives to regret this.

    • Jenstnick

      I look back on my college years and how ripe I would have been for the Pickens. My parents divorced while I was in college, and both moved away. My foundation was completely busted and I was seeking comfort. Luckily the cult doesn’t have a stronghold in northern San Diego County, praise xenu.

    • Elendira

      I am with D.Y.G. This one really hits hard and close to home. If you raise your child right, they will naturally be caring and wanting to help people, especially at that age, when they think they can easily change the world and think they are invincible. That is the insidious nature of the SeaOrg and Scientology, praying on people’s, and especially the youth’s, genuine desire to help other people and to make the world a better place. Classic bait and switch:
      “Come help clear the planet and save this sector of Space -> means working 20 hours a day cleaning Asbestos at Big Blue with no safety equipment for 5cents an hour just so CoB doesn’t get embarrassing building violations.
      Just imagine if She joined something like the Peace Corp, Teach for America, or completed her Medical training. This is a textbook definition of a tragedy.

  • pronoia

    Of course the invisible elephant in this situation is Sami’s father who must be one selfish narcissistic creep. He is using his daughter as a way to insure his own “eternity.” No parent who truly loves their child would want to cut them off from the love of their other parent regardless of their marital status.

    • LeeAnneClark

      Remember, they don’t believe they are really “children”. They are fully-formed thetans in a younger body. Scientologists have a long history of abandoning (or offering up as fodder) their children so they can focus on their own climb up the bridge. This is nothing new…although that doesn’t make it any less despicable.

  • NOLAGirl

    Chuck Sterne. You are officially on our radar. We will not forget what you forced your daughter to give up for your disgusting circle-jerk of a cult.

    • stillgrace2

      I’m with you. This story hit me particularly hard this morning. I’m so disgusted! Chuck Sterne is on my radar now, too … along with ARC-Bitch Torin of the Sacramento Org. Stories like this make me appreciate the work that Tory does. By hanging out at the cult’s recruitment tables on the street, she has prevented countless tragedies like this. Thank you, Tory.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Tony said – “And one more thing. Um, what the hell?”
    I hope RTC will ride that golden douche bicycle straight to fucking hell, a.k.a. Target Two, a.k.a. “Arcturus”.

    • NOLAGirl

      I had seen that already (probably here in the comments) so I didn’t laugh as hard as the first time until I saw the price! A cool mil for that piece of crap. Desperate for money much?

      • DodoTheLaser

        It started with golden e-meters and now it’s a golden bike. Enough said.

        • NOLAGirl

          True. By the way, “golden douche bicycle” is applause worthy. I cracked up when I read that. Somewhere we’ll have to use that phrase again. Like “Ron & Dave, riding around a running track in Hell, on a golden douche bicycle” 🙂

          • DodoTheLaser

            Courtesy of Grant Cardone.

      • philosofa

        But…but…but Mr Hugh Power – CEO of The House of Solid Gold – is a true ‘Humanitarian’ tm.. He needs to sell this piece of ridiculously ostentatious bling to fund his efforts in disseminating “The way to Chavviness” booklet across the know universe.

    • Observer

      Are you paying attention, Elena? Here’s the perfect Christmas present for Grant!

      • flyonthewall

        I was curious Observer, have you ever dropped your brain?

        • Observer

          No, but I’ve forgotten it at home a few times. The Petri dish is too big for my purse.

    • It’s the “House of Solid Gold”, but that bicycle is only plated gold. (A chocolate bike would be more useful than solid gold.) Some reports tell us what they think:

      This Obnoxious 24k Gold Mountain Bike Will Cost You $1 Million

      Wait, maybe it is chocolate under the gold foil?

      • Juicer77

        Shiny… and absolutely worthless. Like $cientology!

    • Qbird

      Target 2 is the star Arcturus? I did not know this bit.
      Big star, in the top 21, easy to find, twinkles mightily.

  • philosofa

    If only we knew of an incredibly talented shooper or two here in the Bunker who could do something with an image of the evil child-catcher…

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=the+childcatcher+image&id=ECA45031573AD04FB117D31888732D4D4D6EF0F0&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=A060C18D4745E2B886CE03B66A452D3F2D1C2558&selectedIndex=17

  • It’s unfortunate that the cultsoncampus.com website has been down since last summer, and the domain is lapsing. (If we’re lucky, to taken by some random scavenger rather than a cult group in CAN takeover style.)

    I hope someone picks up that torch.

  • Ten Aug

    Re: http://www.thehouseofsolidgold.com/24k-gold-extreme-mountain-bike/

    I tried to buy two and apparently they only have enough gold for one.

    So at least only one walking waste of oxygen can buy it.

    Oh and Sami… Really…? In 2014…?

  • Truthiwant

    I did the Tone Scale patter in Saint Hill.

    This is one of those exercises that, I believe, begins to brain wash an individual.

    The complete Tone Scale from -40 to 40 has to be learnt verbatim and off by heart.

    It was practically the last thing I ever did in Scientology, but it was only a little time later I realized that learning this type of dogma, robot fashion, word-for-word, cold, and repeated gospel to a supervisor, was similar to techniques of mind control.

    It’s ironic that Scientologists who study and apply this Tone Scale are the same people who are infact chronically low on that very same Tone Scale.

    I hope Samantha herself realizes this same thing.

    • DodoTheLaser

      And same goes for every god damned “patter drill”. Starting with 10 points of KSW.

      • NOLAGirl

        I’m so glad you both are out of there.

    • Techie

      Weirdly enough, that is also the last “tech” I did at Gold. Dave is very proud of that course checksheet as he did it mostly on his own. He likes to assign it to people at random just to stroke his ego.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Tone scale patter was my last drill too, on senior security checker course.
        I passed it. I also left staff shortly after. Spiritual self-rape is what it felt like.

        • Techie

          Yeah, there’s nothing like memorizing two pages of complete and utter woo, complete with arbitrarily assigned numbers that were taken from some speed trip, to bring home the fact that you are not firing on all 8 cylinders. I finished that and got to the drill where you spot (notice) lower tone levels of the local evil wogs. Been doing that ever since, and while I can’t assign numbers anymore I am quite impressed by the emotional freedom of expression of those around me, far from the mental stagnation of the Int Base.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ve putting the following on the list of THINGS SAID ABOUT $CIENTOLOGY, “Spiritual self-rape is what it is.” http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1144801640

    • Juicer77

      I’m curious – the Tone Scale makes no sense to me logically speaking. How did you make sense of it? It’s like having to learn the alphabet in random order. There’s no relationship between one tone and another.

      • Truthiwant

        I didn’t make sense of it. I learnt it. Why I ever did the PTS SP course is a long story.
        Most Scientologists don’t make sense of what they are studying. It’s a big enough effort to actually read and get checked out on the materials, let alone make sense of it in the so called Real World.

      • Its Scientology – it doesn’t make sense, and deliberately so because that lack of cognitive cohesion forms a major component of the confusion technique applied during induction into the mind fuck. Its actually far worse than learning the alphabet backwards because at least at the end of that exercise you have a nifty party-trick. Learning the tone-scale off pat only reinforces the mind-fuck and is of zero use outside of the criminal enterprise that is Scientology.

        The ‘Tone Scale’ is an attempt by L Ron Hubbard to equate His own purely arbitrary and tendentious ‘list’ with objective and measurable phenomena and thereby grant his own creation the implication of ‘reality’. Worst, L Ron Hubbard not only arbitrarily organises his biased ‘scale’ but goes so far as to attach ‘values’ (down to decimal places), implying some kind of ‘scientific’ and real world ‘scale’ and then goes on to attach such silly attributes as ‘bad breath’ and ‘body odour’ to them and suggests that things like civil liberties should be granted based on his weighting.

        Where does the ‘Tone Scale’ come from? Two theories: 1) L Ron Hubbard pulled it out of his arse, or, 2) L Ron Hubbard stole the original tone scale from Volney Mathison as per the first e-meters.

        • Techie

          Good point Vistaril, looks like Volney included Body Death long before Hubbard added it. Volney did a lot of experimentation with the e-meter and wrote an excellent article “Electropsychometric Auditing” that actually says it is a mistake to think that the meter current runs through the mind. This was in the old original Tech Volumes but I can’t find it now. Hubbard lied when he said that Volney got the idea for the e-meter from attending one of his lectures. We did an extensive search at Gold for that lecture and quote and never found it. We put a somewhat related quote in the film about the history of the meter, but it was not really germane in context.

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s a great post, and explains why it’s even included in the pantheon of $cientology mindfuck.

        • villagedianne

          I’ve read some New Age material that sounded like the tone scale. So it’s probably another existing idea that has been re-used, mis-used, and ab-used by Scientology.

        • Once_Born

          It looks like Hubbard assimilated more of Mathison’s woo-woo than just the e-meter.
          The brief dispute between them appears well worth looking in to

      • chukicita

        It doesn’t make sense because it doesn’t make sense to assign emotions on a linear heirarchy. Hubbard loved linear hierarchy, as most white men of his age did.

      • Techie

        It doesn’t make sense, no point in puzzling over it. The original Tone Scale was from the stages one goes through in Dianetic auditing – apathy gief anger boredom “conservatism” then enthusiasm. This was just an observation with arbitrarily assigned numbers that stretch higher as you go up. Then he added more, expanded the top 10 times to 40, added body death at 0 then more below zero. It is an edifice assembled over 30 years of getting stoned and “discovering” new woo. Full of sound and fury, signifying NOTHING (as Shakespeare famously expressed it).

      • Missionary Kid

        If it makes sense, it’s not Scientology. (I’m quoting from the wisdom of some Bunkaroo I collected for THINGS SAID ABOUT $CIENTOLOGY)

      • Elendira

        That is the whole point of the Tone Scale, it was designed to be specifically random and nonsensical. That is one of the insidious security measures a cult can have. Cults like $cientology, change the meaning of basic words and in the case of Scn, even basic emotions — you are not happy any more, you are 30.4853 on the Tone Scale (forgive me I was never in so I don’t know the exact terminology)
        Furthermore, if I say the word “Freedom” to Dodo, Nola, and you — we all could probably get close to the say definition: the ability to think, say, act for yourself as long as you don’t physical harm another. Sure it won’t be exactly the same — it depends on the persons background, gender, nationality, but say the word to a Scientologist; it means the Bridge, Clearing the Planet, OT powers, etc.
        Remember in the book, 1984, the government removed the word “Freedom” from the vocabulary, so the citizens don’t know have a vaguest idea what it is. How can you attain something, that you have no definition for (or the wrong one).

  • Techie

    My heart breaks for the Sternes.Meanwhile about Karen’s excellent video, I thought perhaps not every never-in understands the reference to “winning”. It is from an essay by Hubbard called “Signs of Success” . Whenever we’re really winning, the squirrels start to scream. You can
    tell if somebody is a squirrel. They howl or make trouble only when
    we’re winning.
    Regulars here may remember the title as the screen name of a famous troll who used to try to defend Scientology on this very blog. Winning, winning, just like Charlie Sheen after he boozed and partied his way out of a major network show job at “Two and a Half Men”.http://youtu.be/pipTwjwrQYQ

    • whenever i hear/see “winning” i think of charlie sheen!! WINNING!!! 🙂

      • Techie

        Wonder if he’s related to the Cardones?

        • oh no, NOT charlie!! he’s got tiger’s blood!!

        • Jenstnick

          I’m pretty sure Charlie would kick the shit out of Grant.

          • joan nieman

            Ha ha! Yes, I think he would.

  • Chee Chalker

    A gold bicycle…..are you listening Sea Org plebes? That s the perfect birthday gift for cob!

    • NOLAGirl

      Then of course it has to be custom made so his feet reach the pedals.

      • Elar Aitch

        Thank you for making me laugh!

        • NOLAGirl

          There must be some J&D today or it all just becomes heavy and heart-breaking.

      • custom gold trike!!!

        • NOLAGirl

          With matching crash helmet.

          • now now we don’t want him wearing a crash helmet!

      • Don’t forget the training wheels.

        • NOLAGirl

          And knowing that tacky fucker, spinning rims.

          • MissCandle

            Can’t he just clothespin playing cards to the spokes?

      • Chee Chalker

        Ha! Good one! They need to big gold blocks to the pedals. Thanks for the laugh NOLA!

  • Sidney18511

    Didn’t this dude do this gold bike thing once before? I feel like this is something I’ve seen already?.

    Oh…. And……FUCK that father!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      It was widely discussed here and elsewhere in January.

  • chukicita

    What the hell indeed! What higher tribute to Scn, Inc. than getting all MESTy with a gold-plated mountain bike.

    I wonder how hard the pressure is for Sea Org folk to pony up for one of those million-dollar bikes for DM’s next birthday? With “more than 90%” of the proceeds going to Way to Happiness?

    Reading the “About” section, looks like Mr. Power is claiming to be the guy who brought black pearls to the market. Maybe it was in a previous life, like when they became popular in Europe in the 1850s.

    • NOLAGirl

      Busted Mr. Power. She’s right. I have several books with the histories and photos of jewelry belonging to various royal families throughout the years and black pearls have been around for a long time.

    • philosofa

      Absolutely correct about the back pearls, chukicita. Mr Power is a typical sciloony lying liar who lies.

      As for the gold-plated bike – imo it is the absolute epitome of tastelessness. Even with all their ‘up-tone’, theta pretensions and ill-gotten cash, the upper echelons of Scamentology come across as tacky, vulgar, unclassy and nouveau riche. The way members prey upon each other and unwary outsiders to achieve “status” in the cult says it all.

      At heart, the ‘whales’ and other opinion-leaders in Scamology who are not waking up to the inherent criminality and sociopathy of the cult are a bunch of self-serving, egomaniacal, dangerously deluded chavs, to use UK terminology.

      The old fraud Hubbard’s manifesto, that Mr Power is so keen to push on the wog world, could more accurately also be named ‘The Way To Chavviness’.

      • midatlanticcoast

        ” Even with all their ‘up-tone’, theta pretensions and ill-gotten cash, the upper echelons of Scamentology come across as tacky, vulgar, unclassy and nouveau riche.” I’ve always thought the same thing. Tacky, tacky, tacky.

      • chukicita

        Philosofa, I had to look up “chav” but thankfully didn’t have to spend thousands of dollars to learn to look up words.

        I don’t think there is a lot of informed decision-making in Scientology. I do wonder about the profit margin this guy is making off
        spray-painting thirteen bikes, and about the cognitive dissonance
        interpretive dance his brain has to endure in order to be able to say
        “I’m going to make the most tasteless thing ever to help fund a booklet
        of platitudes.”

        There is nothing at all spiritual about a gold-plated mountain bike. My people believe that taking gold out of the earth is taking the blood out of the mother, especially with all the conflict it generates.

        • philosofa

          I lolled at your remark about not having to spend thousands of dollars on how to learn to look up words. 😀

          I’m sure you are absolutely right about the lack of informed decisoin-making and the huge amont of cognitive dissonance members of the cult must suffer. The huge harm Hubbard’s mind-trap does to people is difficult for a never-in, like me, to fully imagine.

          I would be extremely interested to know more about your people and their beliefs, but only if you feel like telling more.

          • chukicita

            oh, just a cultural thing.
            It’s interesting to me the different meanings and attributes that different peoples have about gold. Why is it so valued? It’s not easy to get, but it’s easier than a lot of other stuff you have to mine that requires smelting.

            Because it’s shiny and relatively easy to shape? I have heard some people say it is the sweat of the sun, and thus has a holy meaning to people for whom the sun is important. To others it has a glorification use. Dominant culture based financial exchange upon it. But it seems wherever gold happened, people found it and messed with it. It’s just funny the different roles gold plays in cultural lives.

            All that aside, I gotta wonder – a Scientologist with a company that deals in gold-coating – maybe knows something about some gold-plated titanium plates in vaults? Or maybe he just sprays stuff with gold spray-paint and says it’s 24k gold, adding to the long list of Scientology businesses touting hinky products (e.g., Blue Laundry Balls, Narconon, etc.) — Missionary Kid, could you get on that?

  • BosonStark

    Good grief! I thought this drop-out-of-college, join-the-Sea-Argh stuff ended with the Internet in the ’90s. This sounds like the daughter wanted to please her dad and may be being used by him, to drive a wedge between daughter and mother. Yeah, Sciloontology would be good for that.

    There’s one small gap in the story — at the time of the Debbie Cook disaffection, what did the mother share with her daughter. There’s a lot of discussion that can take place before a person is convinced to read a book.

    Also, of the college students who make it through pre-med and take the Medical College Admissions Test, only 25% are accepted to medical school.

    Well, I hope this article will keep her out of the Sea Org. Scientology is really powerful hypno-stuff, and the promises are so enticing compared to hard work, study and the narrowing path to med school.

    • LeeAnneClark

      The mother may have not said a lot to her daughter during the Debbie Cook episode because she didn’t realize that she was in any kind of jeopardy of taking any of this stuff seriously, much less getting sucked in. Remember, Samantha had little exposure to $ci before her so-called *father* started sucking her in. And at that point, anything the mother tried to say to the girl would be “entheta”, right? So it sounds like Mom missed her opportunity to inoculate her daughter. Sad.

      I have a sweet but somewhat gullible son who tends to be easily swayed by peers and would be vulnerable to love-bombing types. I feared that, without proper inoculation, he could get sucked into something once he got out on his own. So I made sure to teach him all about cults starting young. I even had him read Blown for Good, and we had some really fun discussions about it. We both still keep up with what’s going on with the cherch, and sometimes talk about the latest news.

      All I can say is that it’s a good thing the Sea Org won’t take people who are PTS to an SP. So even if Mom can’t have contact, she can at least keep her daughter out of the worst abuses of the cult by being noisy. Keep it up, Mary Jane.

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  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    Huey P. Smith must have been a Scientologist. How could anyone resist a few verses of “Sea Cruise”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n10yDX8N3o

    Now, old man rhythm is in my shoes
    It’s no use sittin’ here singin’ the blues
    So, be my guest, you got nothin’ to lose
    Won’t you let me take you on a sea cruise?

    Ooowee, ooowee baby, ooowee, ooowee baby
    Ooowee, ooowee baby
    Won’t you let me take you on a sea cruise?

    I feel like jumpin’ and honey
    Won’t you join me please, yeah.
    Well, I don’t like beggin’ but now
    I’m gonna bend a knee, oh yeah

    Well, I gotta get a-movin’ honey, I ain’t lyin’
    My heart is beating the rhythm and it’s right on time
    So, be my guest, you got nothin’ to lose
    Won’t you let me take you on a sea cruise?

    Ooowee, ooowee baby, ooowee, ooowee mama
    Ooowee, ooowee baby
    Won’t you let me take you on a sea cruise?

    Well, I gotta get-a-rockin’, get my hat off the rack
    I gotta boogie-woogie like a knot’s in my back
    So, be my guest, you got nothin’ to lose
    Won’t you let me take you on a sea cruise?

    Ooowee, ooowee baby, ooowee, ooowee baby
    Ooowee, ooowee baby,
    Won’t you let me take you on a sea cruise?

    I feel like jumpin’ and honey
    Won’t you join me please, yeah
    Well, I don’t like beggin’ but now
    I’m gonna bend a knee, oh yeah

    Ooowee, ooowee baby, ooowee, ooowee mama
    Ooowee, ooowee baby
    Won’t you let me take you on a sea cruise?

    Won’t you let me take you on a sea cruise?
    Won’t you let me take you on a sea cruise?
    I’m goin’, I’m goin’, I’m goin’ on a sea, sea cruise
    Let me take you on a sea cruise, na, na

    • 1subgenius

      “Huey P. Smith must have been a Scientologist.”

      Should not be said even in jest. Please edit.

      • Missionary Kid

        AMEN!

        • 1subgenius

          Don’t you just know it.

          I can’t lose with the stuff I use.

          Baby don’t believe I wear two left shoes.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sxnXO2RjVg

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Wow! Beck can’t hold a candle to him. The JIve Aces are no better than the Jive Deuces next to this guy.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Edit it? Never!

        Hank Williams, a country singer just as L.Ron pretended to be, died under mysterious circumstances in the same year that the Turd of Tilden created Scientology. Sort of gets you thinking, doesn’t it? Don’t get me started…

        Seriously though, while I am sad for Samantha and I was sad for the two members of my family who joined the Sea Org, I chose to reply with a song whose lyrics could have been a commercial for the malevolent organization, if the organization was trying to make a go of it in the ’50’s. As is, I am just glad that you and Missionary Kid actually remember the man and the song. I haven’t clicked on your 45 but I will after I send this.

  • Krew13

    Brainwashed in 11 days and changed from a normal, happy girl into an unthinking robot. Absolutely horrifying.

    • NOLAGirl

      That part is poking at me. I think maybe her father had been working her before at some point.

      • D.Y.G.

        Yep. Probably telling the daughter not to mention it to her mother because she wouldn’t understand.

    • Missionary Kid

      Remember, it was total immersion.

    • jane456

      It can happen that fast. It can happen in a couple of days. And just to be annoying and repetitive. I will say again, the people it is most likely to happen to are people who don’t think it can happen to them. I never thought it could happen to me and it did. I lost 18 years. I was, like this young woman, at a vulnerable stage in life. No one who gets sucked into a cult ever thinks it can happen to them.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        I think the Moonies had it down to a weekend.

        Preparation helps. Finding someone who is already confused helps. Not everyone succumbs, though. In the case of this young woman, she was the right age, had the family mix, then went to a brainwashing station.

        Does premed mean, “The courses you take preceding an assured entrance to medical school”. That is what it used to mean in Canada, but that was 50 years ago. Now the students go into science and the best of the second and third year students go on to medicine. There is no specific, “pre-med”. Is it like in Animal House where Otter says, “I am a prelaw student”. Boon responds, “I thought you were premed”. To which Otter replies, “What’s the difference?”

        If the first example is not the case, I would like to note that I was also premed when I got sucked into Scientology. By this, I mean, I was a science student and with good grades I would have been accepted into medicine. In reality, my marks, at best, might have given me a shot at being a drug salesman for big pharma.

        • Elaine Rogers-Scheno

          Just want to clear up one fact that Tony said, he said premed what she was looking to do was to get a doctorate in human phsychology. A very book smart girl who took many college classes while still in HS. My friend never pressed her children to get involved in Scientology quite the opposite she had had her doubts from almost the very beginning and was always honest with her children whenever having a discussion in regard to the so called religion. Basically if it looks like a duck , walks like a duck and talks like a duck its a duck. In this case a Cult is a cult is a cult. The problem here is this young woman Sami was book smart but not as we say in NY no street smarts. She could not have been prepared for the onslaught they put upon her.

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Hi, Elaine. Thanks for your comments but I am still quite confused. As a distant observer who has read one article on the situation and your thoughtful note, that is not a bad way to be.

            Again, just looking around me I have known several very bright students who didn’t achieve their goals and for various reasons. It is common for a person or a parent to stress strengths sometimes with little evidence, sometimes with loads of it. I am sure that I will never be convinced of Samantha’s potential. I think this sort of skepticism is a good and natural quality especially following my time with Scientology. And, no, I don’t think the pendulum has gone too far the other way. No one who knows me would call me a cynic. Unfortunately I don’t think anyone, even Samantha, will ever know what her potential might have been. Those years have been taken away from her and will never return. It is impossible to know.

            I think of a conversation between Lamont and a prospective employee on the old “Sanford and Sons” TV show.

            “What is your education?”
            “I left school on the way to my Ph.D.”
            “At what point?”
            “Grade Ten.”

            And, again, I really do appreciate your information about Samatha’s mother and your clarifying what Tony wrote, but that is another area where I have to question. The common reaction to being handed a leaflet outside the church of Scientology is throwing it on the ground. Taking a course, taking another course, marrying a Scientologist, then taking more courses is not the path of a skeptic or even a sensible person. I have to wonder if a family split is causing her to rewrite her own history. How could I know if this is the case? Well, it is impossible for me to know. I would suggest that Mary Jane can’t even know if she has been doing that without reflection and the passing of time. Even then it is difficult because she would have to be honest with herself. Many have trouble doing that. I have to wonder if her friends even have diverse opinions on the matter.

            My cousin was in the Sea Org part of the cult. His dad hadn’t heard from him in a while and called the cops. My cousin was then taken off the ship and sent back home, thousands of miles away, to handle his dad (my uncle). I remember this clearly. I really do sympathize with everyone involved. But these things are always very complicated.

          • Elar Aitch

            Bastards (Scientology)

        • Once_Born

          There is a classic sociological study of the Moonies by John Lofland, published as a book called, “Doomsday Cult: A Study of Conversion, Proselytization, and Maintenance of Faith.

          Lofland found that all the efforts of the Moonies to convince people people of the truth of their doctrine by argument were complete failures because it was incoherent, unfamiliar and irrational.

          The Moonies only began to succeed when they switched to weekend retreats where the emphasis was on forming personal relationships with potential converts. Outsiders began to come involved with the ‘Church’ because they had formed bonds with believers, not because of it’s teachings (which they were often unaware of, at this stage).

          It strikes me that this goes double for Scientology. Scientologists are not allowed to discuss teachings that the newcomer have not been prepared for, nor even discuss their experience among themselves (‘verbal tech). They cannot even try to convert someone by intellectual argument – it is specifically forbidden.

          Scientology conversion must rely on social pressure. This is why they take such pains with newcomers to present the Org as a stimulating place, where you will surrounded by new friends and learn amazing things (without going into details, of course).

          This seems to work best on people who are insecure (away from home for the first time, and having difficulty coping with the demands of a real education, and (perhaps) looking for a less personally demanding purpose in life.

          Many exes report that they enjoyed the early stages of their involvement. It was not until they had taken a few courses that Scientology started to become controlling and oppressive – and by this time it was too late to back out easily.

          I think positive social pressure draws people in, and then negative social pressure is applied to stop them leaving. ‘Brainwashing’ implies that people’s minds have been permanently changed. I don’t think this is the case. 60% of Scientologists leave the Church when the oppressive tactics start to be applied.

          I suspect that many people who continue in Scientology know, at some level, that something is badly wrong. However, they also know that they will only make their situation worse by saying so. The phoney enthusiasm they manifest is an attempt to convince themselves that all is well, not others.

          If Sea Org members could take six weeks off in an independent, non-judgemental environment where they could do as they pleased – a place totally removed from Scientology’s expectations, I would bet that many of them would not go back. Their holiday would break the spell cast by their isolated social situation.

          The problem, of course, is that the CofS knows this too – because this is the point that they bring physical security to bear – security guards, locked doors, blow drills and barbed fences.

          • villagedianne

            Yes I think building personal rapport is a powerful recruitment too. Interestingly, Miscavige has subverted this process by exposing newcomers to videos instead of actual people.

            • Once_Born

              It’s ironic.

              Scientology treats personal relationships as a threat to orthodoxy. Miscavige has grown up in this culture. As a result he can’t understand the recruitment techniques that worked so well before he took power, and is replacing them with an impersonal approach that simply does not work.

              Sounds good to me.

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Thanks for your excellent analysis Once Born. It has been a busy day and I haven’t been able to get to a computer until now. In short, yeah, I agree.

            My knowledge of the Moonies is from a book by Josh Freed called Moonwebs, which is the story of a friend of his who was taken in, exactly as you describe. The second half of the book was a cursory analysis of Rev. Moon’s cult. It was made into a film called, Ticket to Heaven which can be purchased on Amazon at collectable prices or seen for nothing on youtube.

            As a Scientologist, I was instructed to lie to people when body routing (though I never actually did body routing). i was told to tell the people that Scientology would make them happier and more able and that it would solve their ruin. But it was ixnay on the specifics of clear and OT. I was told, and I remember the words, that that was “off gradient”. Today I call it lying by omission. Back then it was a gradient truth.

            I also blew when the going got weird. I was sent down to ethics for, really, no reason at all. I could go into it but this note would become very, very long. When ethics finished with me (two and a half days as I recall) I finished the day and left for good. The ethics moron was named Earl Smith and I hear that he is still part of the cult. Serves him right. They didn’t do much to stop me from leaving. I got a couple of phone calls and that is it. RIght now the Ontario political parties are much more annoying than Scientology ever was. I almost bought a car from a Austin dealership (I hope I spelled that right). When they didn’t reel me in, they became far more persistent than Scientology too. People never involved in Scientology who have only read about it are often surprised when I say that. I was a nobody to Scientology, and one without much money.

            Everyone I knew well, when I was in, has long since blew. All say, “I knew there was something wrong when…” But they remained for years after knowing that that something was wrong, decades in one case. One friend said that, and I reminded him of how glowingly he spoke of the cult while he was so suspicious. He didn’t believe me but I still had his letters and asked if he wanted to see them. He declined. I think they were trying to convince themselves but the glowing words were also part of their newspeak. For one the answer to, “how are you” was not “fine” or returning the salutation, but “great” said with a smile and a loud voice. He thought he was enthusiastic. I thought he was a freak.

            And I, and those close to me who were involved, were less than successful university students. We believed we were something special, perhaps so special that we didn’t have to apply ourselves to demanding studies (and I am generalizing broadly). Scientology was there to tell us of a better way.

            So, reading your explanation was fascinating. It was as though you were describing my time with the cult. Either you have done your research exceeding well and managed to pluck the key elements from your readings, or like me, you learned from your mistakes. If the latter is true you were able to very clearly analyze what went on.

            Again, my deepest thanks.

            • Once_Born

              Thank you for the reply. I hope you see this, which is a little late (because: time zones and work and stuff).

              For the record, I’m an odd character because I have never, for one moment been tempted by the consolations of religion. I – and I have never been involved with Scientology.

              One of reasons I participate here is that I have always been perplexed by good, intelligent, people who do have faith. I could never understand why they (apparently) believed in propositions were simply not rational. For some reason, I need to understand this.

              Scientology is a good case study for this question, because it’s beliefs are extreme, and have always been in a state of tension with wider society.

              I suspect that it is easier for a complete outsider like myself to understand some of the important points about Scientology precisely because we can approach the experience of others with no preconceptions. I’m very grateful for your reply, because it shows that I may be getting a little closer.

              This is the wonderful thing about this forum. The honesty and generosity of the exe’s who discuss their experiences, and the diversity of participants provides an environment that can bring about a real understanding of Scientology (and the particular sort of manipulation that it practices).

              Free discussion, and diversity will always win in the end.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              Again, thanks for your thoughtful reply.

  • Guestlurker

    Chuck Sterne is or was in Walnut Grove, CA and a WISE member. Owns Arrow Sign Company in California. See About on website. Mentions use of outside consulting group, and uses training manuals. Employees required to take scientology courses? Careful to not mention the S word.

    Chuck appears on completions at least OT 5 and unfortunately the L rundowns. The L’s change people, not in a good way. Most are never the same, some mentally damaged. Chuck has all the signs alright. Can’t confirm his age but might be senior citizen. Speculation based on these facts, he’s been manipulating his daughter long before her trip to Flag. He would certainly handed over all her worst fears to the recruiter.

    So don’t anyone think about ordering a sign from Chuck for Father’s Day. But if you did, what would it say?

    • NOLAGirl

      “I gave my daughter to the Sea Org and all I got was this lousy sign.”

      • joan nieman

        Yes. Good one Nola.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      (refresh)

    • villagedianne

      Jason Beghe said with great emphasis that the L’s f****d him up. What is it in particular about the L’s that are so damaging?

      • Eivol Ekdal
        • villagedianne

          Thank you, I skimmed some of the processes. What a mindfuck. A lot of confessions. I got a kick out of the wording of question 56 from L-10 2D-2:

          56. Do you have any sexual overts that you haven’t gotten off?

          Still I’m not sure how these processes are more damaging than other Scientology processes, what makes these worse?

  • Captain Howdy

    So the daughter was exposed to scientology on some level for 20 years and now she’s joined the cult one of the people who exposed her to this crap is shocked?

    If she had exposed the kid to secondhand smoke for 20 years and..well you know the rest.

    • D.Y.G.

      I think the shocker is this kid had plans for her future and threw them out the window so fast. Kind of like the dancer story a few months back. It doesn’t seem that either of them were floundering, trying to figure out what to do with their lives. They had plans.

      • Barbara Angel

        Sadly those kids fell for the bait, won’t be long before the switch comes and she is going to have a very painful experience. So sad for her and her naivety, her father will know what is in store for her, but pushed her towards a whole lot of pain, what a shit of a father. Lets hope his money runs out quickly and she runs away from co$ as fast as her legs can carry her.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        I may have read too much into it, but last I read about Manuela Oliviera (the dancer) was that she was back in Australia. I read that as a possible indication that her presence in the SO in the US was somewhat problematic and they took her to her homeland to offload her with minimal fuss if it became necessary (for them).

        Whatever the truth is, she was making a name for herself in LA at the time she was recruited and those opportunities are now gone forever.

    • Kim O’Brien

      i thought the same thing. I mean …c’mon ….color me surprised. Her FATHER TOOK HER THERE and is paying the tab .

      • Captain Howdy

        After listening to her parents talk about how great this rubbish was for 20 years, I don’t imagine there was much in the way of brainwashing that was needed to be done.

        • Kim O’Brien

          and after all ..who DOESN’T take their kid to Clearwater for an “allergy puriff” ? Would they cover that treatment in medical school i wonder ?

          • Missionary Kid

            *Snickersnort* Great sarcasm!

          • Sherbet

            You and Howdy are right, of course. I keep remember my sister telling her kids to talk to their father (her ex), invite him to lunch, call him on his birthday…when they wanted to ignore him. The reverse is good ol’ scientologist Chuck, who allegedly is perfectly fine with Samantha’s decision to disappear from her mother’s life, because it’s a feather in his cap, too.

    • jane456

      Layers of an onion. Do you think they expose their low level public to the terrible things that are happening? You are talking about a world class predatory system. They know how to appear benign when they need to. And the story is that the mother was really distant from it after the divorce. The father was the active member. What were they supposed to do?

      • Barbara Angel

        Well that poor girl will find out soon enough about those Terrible things that are happening, because unfortunately she is going to live it and suffer she will.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        $cientology = a world class predatory system.

        It certainly is.

      • Captain Howdy

        I wasn’t talking about witnessing abuses, I was talking about not being able to recognize that scientology is absurd nonsense and an obvious money grubbing cult from the get go..

        And the statistical fact that the vast majority of people who tried scientology walked away from it almost immediately belies this idea that it’s a world class predatory system. A five percent success rate at hooking sucker fish is not impressive.

        Just for once I would like to see someone who has lost their kid to a cult stand up and accept some personal responsibility for that situation to have ever been possible in the first place.

        • Once_Born

          Agreed. More than 99% of the people who are approached walk on by, rolling their eyeballs. Of those who join, 60% leave after one or two ‘courses’.

          A 5% success rate certainly isn’t numerically impressive. Scientology only survives because it has ‘filtered’ a selection of vulnerable individuals out of the sceptical majority. 5% isn’t a bad result if they are likely to become long-term members.

          I suspect that the myth of Scientology being a “[…] first class predatory system” is related to the idea of “brainwashing” and persists precisely because it relieves some victims of the necessity to “[…] stand up and take some personal responsibility”. The ‘reasoning’ goes ‘It wasn

  • Sejanus

    I am reminded of the line from Beetlejuice….

    “Hey Chuck, we’ve come for your daughter.”
    …only no laughs from this delivery.

    I wonder if that is how it played out.
    If the human garbage knew in advance.
    There is a special Hell for a parent that feeds a child to the wolves.
    Stories like this infuriate me and make me sick at the same time because I know that little prick running the cult gets off on this infliction of pain.

    Sami, call, email, text your mom.
    She and your sibs will help you get out.
    The whole world is not insane. CoS sees greatness in you and want to make you ordinary, unremakable and beaten down.
    You had a bright promising future.
    It is still here…come back to it.

    Save yourself.

    • jane456

      I hope you aren’t saying that the mother fed her child to these wolves. This can happen to anyone. I have seen it happen to “cowboys” who knowingly go in to try to infiltrate a cult. Maybe the one certainty that I have is that it is actually much more likely to happen to people who don’t think it will happen to them. And most people don’t think this can happen to them. This is all on the predatory organization, not on the mother. This is horrible what is happening to this family. God speed that they recover their beautiful daughter quickly.

      • NOLAGirl

        There will be varying opinions on this. That is the spirit of the Bunker. Just know that most everyone feels the pain of a disconnected family, no matter how it happened. It may seem some comments are intended to hurt, but I promise, they’re all angry that this happens to any person.

        • jane456

          It is and has always been difficult to hear these things, knowing what I know from my personal experience. In my cult there were people who lost their children to or because of the cult. You can say they were to blame for getting sucked in, but the whole point is that they were being lied to and tricked to get sucked in. Can you imagine losing your minor children to a cult and there is nothing you can do? This is pretty common in cults. I also have a dear friend who has been walking a tightrope for many, many years with COS and relatives currently in. I can’t give any details because it is ongoing. It is heartbreaking what my friend has been through. Because at some point in her life she got tricked. I get the bunker is a diverse group, but I like to point this dangerous thinking out. This is what most people think, it can never happen to me. Until it does. COS is not the only cult out there by a long shot and you have not heard of everyone of them. They are everywhere. There are two ways to protect yourself from recruitment (which you won’t know is recruitment). One is to realize you are vulnerable. The other way is to stop breathing. If you are breathing, you are vulnerable.

          • NOLAGirl

            Well said. I didn’t mean to insinuate that any of us were above having something like this happen to us. Certainly it has happened to some very intelligent, gifted people. That is seen very clearly in the exes that post here and those that contribute to Tony’s work.

            I wish you and your friend well Jane.

      • Sejanus

        Try re reading the story then my original comment.
        The fathers name was Chuck.
        I encourage the girl to call her mom.
        Get it?

      • Robert Eckert

        It’s not the mother, but rather the father, who deliberately fed his child to Moloch.

  • GSioux

    Followed up on “what the hell” item and just wrote a review for the golden bike. The review is pending approval. Since you will never see it, briefly I said either Mr. Power was ignorant of the fact that The Way to Happiness International is a $cientology entity or he is deceiving the public. And that $cientology does the opposite of “restoring trust and honesty world over”.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Perhaps he could design and “donate” the solid gold for the obelisks the CST told the IRS, in its 1993 submission, it would build throughout the world. scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/06/03/where-are-the-church-of-scientology-obleisks/ His design sensibilities and appreciation of MEST certainly fits in with Miscavige’s and the CoS’s. They are similarly revolting and obscene.

      • TWTH is billed as secular, non-religious, and no connection to Scientology, to avoid the restrictions on handing out religious recruitment material and the negative value of the Scientology brand name.

        Big TWTH obelisks might be hard for even Scientology to explain. (“Umm… It’s JT’s butt-plug collection…?”)

  • midatlanticcoast

    I just flagged this ad in Portland. I’m not a hateful person by nature but I can honestly say I hate the SOBs who are perpetrating this crap. Maybe I should say I hate the cult who has brainwashed the people who are perpetrating it. Either way, my blood pressure is way up.
    “Improve relationships with your family (Lake Oswego)Sometimes family members just don’t get along. Whether they are siblings, parents, kids, or in-laws, disagreements can arise and it can be hard to work things out.

    We have classes and groups that can help you communicate to your family better, so they can understand where you are coming from. Learn to work out problems between you and restore the closeness you used to share!

    Reply by email or call Dan at show contact info to find out more.
    do NOT contact me with unsolicited services or offers”

    • midatlanticcoast

      I know it’s not cool to reply to your own post but I am so POed. I was already POed from reading Tony’s post. These people are truly living in a parallel universe where it is opposite day every day. It’s like they pick out the various doctrines of their cult that harm people and then post an ad that says they help people with something that they are the cause of. I hate scientology. Sorry for the rambling outburst. Rant over, I hope. But I still hate scientology.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Rant away. We’re right there with you.

        Thanks for flagging. It is so very important!

      • Barbara Angel

        Agree X 1,000 the *Hypocrisy* of those ads is beyond Sickening and with the totally Shameless LIES, they *really press my buttons*. Feels good flagging them tho’, if we can save one single person then that’s a Huge save. Yet they keep it up and still manage to suck people in and then drain them in all ways possible. mustravge has such an evil look about him, he reminds me both by his behaviour and looks of some sort of montrous vampire.

      • Robert Eckert

        Like “Tired of money problems?” (give all your money to us, you won’t have to worry about money anymore) or “How to deal with negative people” (join Scientology, you’ll deal with all kinds of negative people)

  • 1subgenius

    Million dollar bike, pfffft.

    Now this is a ride.

  • Sejanus

    That bike is vile.
    It ranks right up there with every other gawdy item in tribute to excess on that site.
    I hope to high heaven if anyone buys it they ride it and have it jacked out from under them.

    I will stick to riding my Kona bikes thanks very much.

    • D.Y.G.

      I really don’t think a person would actually want to ride it. Even plated 24k gold is soft and scratches pretty easily.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        I assume it’s also way too heavy to be practical for its purpose.

        • Missionary Kid

          Naw. It’s only plated with gold.

        • D.Y.G.

          Notice they aren’t using the words “heavy gold electroplate” or HGE, which would indicate it is over 100 millionths of an inch. So what we have here is at least 7 mils of an inch thick and a fineness of 24k. It’s not adding much weight.

    • Observer

      But it’s so aesthetic!

  • Racnad

    Boy that brought me back to when I was 18 and the recruiters were after me. Unfortunately, what Mary Jane was up against was a form of what used to be called “love bombing.” When you’re being recruited, everyone at the org is friendly and smiles at you. They look so “official” in their uniforms telling you how you’ll be part of something so important – saving the planet! I was offered the possibility of being a “missionaire” who travels around to orgs and applies “debugging tech.” A few years later a group called the “International Finance Police” – lead by the Finance Dictator – was created and went around shaking down the orgs. My god, I might have been part of that group! But no, I was already creeped out by the group think, intolerance for dissenting views, and robotic devotion to the official interpretations of Source.

    Samantha is at the age where kids start to distance themselves from the their parents. Unfortunately, saying “I forbid you to join the Sea Org!” was exactly the wrong thing to do! A better strategy is to make sure she knows about the living and working conditions, sub-minimal pay, isolation from popular culture and the Internet, and the fact that if Scientology really worked, it would not still be a fringe group after 64 years.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    And people wonder why I am so fond of Women’s Lacrosse…

    • Elar Aitch

      Ease down Father Jack

      • Bradley Greenwood

        LOL

    • 1subgenius

      I am fond of women.

  • Sherbet

    Stupid, stupid Sami. What earthly, cosmic, eternal good could possibly come from disconnecting from people who love you and whom you love?

    Like most other posters, this one went straight through my heart: If cos admitted that, yes, we do insist upon disconnection, stories like this would be easier to swallow. They lie, blatantly, unabashedly, they lie.

    And, on the surface, Chuck himself appears to be a blankhole, playing games with his ex. Is he ensuring his woo-woo eternity that way? Jerk.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      I keep wondering how much a parent’s Account for Services gets “credited” when they sell their children to the Sea Org this way? Or do they get a lifetime IAS membership and a special trophy instead? And do they remove the photos of their child from the mantle and replace it with the trophy and a framed copy of the Sea Org contract – all done with pride and confidence their “eternity” is now assured? It’s beyond revolting and despicable.

      And let’s call it what it is – selling your child into slavery.

      (refresh)

      • Sherbet

        Nicely put, cars. I’ve heard of an old Irish tradition (aka myth) that a young man’s parents are guaranteed a place in heaven if he goes into the priesthood. Chuck must be soooo proud.

      • Techie

        None of the above, they just get regged and regged again just as before.

        • VickiStubing

          They can be pressured with a new tactic: it costs so many $ to house and feed your SO kid, you gotta ante up to cover those expenses.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Sorry, Techie. I should have used the sarcasm brackets.

          Thanks for your thoughtful and helpful comments today – as usual.

  • Anonymous

    The latest video with Jeffrey Augustine and Karen de la Carriere is mighty amusing.

    The mannerisms and look on Jefferey’s face between 4:50 and 5:50 as Karen goes through one of Scientology’s tired tropes of denial is hilarious.

    Very well done!

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
      Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
      HCO BULLETIN OF 1 MAY 1958

      SIGNS OF SUCCESS
      Whenever we’re really winning, the squirrels start to scream. You can tell if somebody is a squirrel. They howl or make trouble only when we’re winning.

      Spectacular success can quadruple the number of complaints. Tell the complainees: “Come in, get Clear.” Otherwise skip it.

      To understand a squirrel, consider the reaction of somebody who could not run the fifth leg of Help, “How could another person help another person.” The thought of this drives some people spinny. That’s a squirrel. They can’t view other people helping others without going berserk.

      There’s nothing personal in having squirrels. Even heroes can have lice.

      L. RON HUBBARD
      Founder

      Thanks to Techie for this reference.

      • Anonymous

        That indeed is one of the important references where Hubbard teaches others to invert events to appear as the opposite of that which they are in reality.

        Imagine an organization that has codified lying as one of its primary operational policies.

        That organization is Scientology.

      • villagedianne

        In New Age or other spiritual practices, there is the concept that when a person is doing something to become more enlightened, something comes up in their life to try to block or sidetrack them. Whatever it is has to be overcome by the person before they can progress on their path to awakening. So this is another yet another existing idea that has been re-used, mis-used, and ab-used by Scientology.

        • Sherbet

          How about: “I screwed up somehow and am missing out on heaven/nirvana/enlightenment, so I’m going to stop blaming it on other people and fix whatever it is I did wrong.” Or, even, better, “Stuff happens, I’m going to move on, forgive and forget, and quit bellyaching.” Either would be better than cos’s endless fingerpointing.

          • villagedianne

            Another familiar New Age concept is not to expose yourself to much to negative people or situations. Another old familiar idea that has been re-used, mis-used, and ab-used by Scientology.

  • Missionary Kid

    When I clicked on “what the hell?” a page opened up for an ad from The House of Solid Gold. The name would imply that what they sell is solid gold. The bike that’s advertised, is, however, only plated with gold.

    The ad is representative of $cientology: It implies that something is solid, but, in reality, what is represented to the public is only a veneer of a vastly overpriced product. Where the bike differs from $cientology is that it apparently works.

    • Techie

      There actually are “Gold” e-meters. These are the same plastic as all e-meters but with gold plating. It is real conductive gold plating and can create some very annoying shorts if you are not careful in how you install the parts inside. A great metaphor for Scientology in general – Shiny glittering gold on the outside, cheap plastic on the inside.

      • Unless they’re the new Mark Eight Easy-Bake, they’re now obsolete junk and have to be handed back in to CoS.

        • Techie

          Yeah, the gold ones were old MK VI meters, several generations ago. I don’t think there was ever a gold Quantum, not sure. But the new ones are all steel grey to match the steely heart of the man with the thousand yard stare – Lil’ Davey.

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        They sure love the color gold.

        • Techie

          Reminds them of something near and dear to their thetanish souls – MONEY.

    • Sherbet

      I can’t tell from your post, Kid. Did you read the seller’s connection with scientology?

      • Missionary Kid

        Yup. I was comparing the metaphor of the bike to $cientology, which is all veneer. At least the bike can be ridden, even if it will easily be scratched.

        • Sherbet

          OK. You’re sharper than I am. It took me a bit before I figured out why Tony linked to that ad.

          • Missionary Kid

            Actually, I’m not sharper. I didn’t see the part about The Way to Crappiness until later, but I thought it was such an overpriced bullshit piece, I had to make the comparison.

            • Sherbet

              And it was apt.

    • kemist

      A solid gold bike would be pretty much useless anyway as its frame would get bent out if shape on the first use.

      Also it would be so heavy no one in their right mind would ride it.

      • Missionary Kid

        It would also scratch easily.

        • kemist

          Ha !

          You tie it down at the local café and when you come back you find a bunch of people scratching at it like crazy.

          • Missionary Kid

            *Chucklesnort*

          • Once_Born

            Or someone hits you over the head on the way to the cafe, and takes it off you.

      • midatlanticcoast

        They’d probably just prop it up in the foyer next to the bowling trophies.

      • joan nieman

        Not to mention it’s heat conductivity while peddling on a hot summer day!

      • Once_Born

        That’s what I thought, initially. however, it.s gold plated. Underneath, there is a standard aluminium frame.

        Which makes me wonder… how do you gold-plate a non-ferrous metal – and how long will the gold stay attached (even if it’s just for show, and you never ride it).

        • kemist

          If I had to do it I’d probably try propulsed microbeads.

          That is already used in painting bikes so that you get a resistant plastic-like paint. You take tiny colored plastic beads, give them a static charge, and propulse them on the oppositely charged frame a bit like sandblasting.

          Pure gold is very malleable, and would probably lend itself well to that process. Aluminium is also a bit of a sticky and soft metal, which facilitates adherence.

          No idea how long the gold would stay attached though.

    • ze moo

      Did you notice the 15,000 dollar shoelaces?? WTF???

      • Missionary Kid

        Gimme a can of gold-colored spray paint, and I’ll make some that are far more useful for $100, and that’s still overpriced.

  • Mark

    I wonder how many other young lives full of hope and promise the doubtless oh-so-plausible-and-charming Torin is trying to wreck? (refresh):

    • Kim O’Brien

      as many that are offered up on a silver platter …( is my guess )

    • Techie

      As many as she can get through before Thursday at 2 every week.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Bitch!

    • Sherbet

      I had a hard time upvoting this, Mark, because I didn’t feel like laughing. But you win; it’s funny.

      • Mark

        Bit of self-therapy, Sherb: my initial comment was about the various forms of pain and humiliation I’d like to offer the vile Torin if I ever met him – but I thought better of it.

        • Sherbet

          You’re a good man, Mark. Your humor always has a hidden (sometimes not so hidden) barb.

          • Mark

            And you’re very kind, Sherbet! 🙂

            • Sherbet

              Smilin’ back at you, Mark.

  • deanblair

    When I was in college I was recruited to join staff at an org. My mom was a Scientologist so there was no disconnection involved but I wasted my life studying the nonsense that comprises Scientology and regret that I did not continue my studies at the university.

    My heart goes out to Mary Jane Sterne and I pray that her daughter will come back to her. I wish that there was something I could do to help. I think that making noise about this in the media and possibly holding a protest march around the organization she is part of might get her kicked out of the SO.

  • El Con Blubbard

    Karen and Jeff – another excellent video ~ Thank you. Every child needs to be educated about mind controlling cults long before they are on their own. Scientology is just as dangerous as Drugs…so a new pamphlet could be designed – “The Truth about Cults” and it could be published and handed out to everyone including College kids on campuses everywhere.

    The mother needs to go to the media and keep squawking until they release her due to bad PR. She has nothing to lose. It will also bring awareness to other parents who have vulnerable children ready to go out in the world.

  • Sherbet

    Way to get everyone’s blood pressure up this morning, Tony.

    • Narapoid

      You said it Sherbs

    • NOLAGirl

      I hope he drops a “bomb of good news” story on us later today.

      • Sherbet

        We could use it.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    David Miscavige returns from another successful campus recruitment…

    (Refresh, with credit to Philsofa)

    • Barbara Angel

      Nice hat but he has such an evil looking face. Really he is a scary turd, look at those eyes.

    • philosofa

      Absolutely perfect, DDD. Bravo!!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The cult may be shrinking but the thrashings of the dying beast, as it flails and agonizes, can still wound mortally.
    Stories of disconnection always hurt and are always grievous. I feel the pain in my heart and get a sinking feeling in my stomach every time I read one. Parents who willingly offer their children on the altar of Hubbard’s hubris have died inside. Something is lost in their basic humanity. God forgive them.

    A curse on Hubbard and all his works. I damn you to the deepest darkest hell. May you be remembered as a destroyer of life, a thief of youth and hope and sincere intention. May you be cursed each time your name is said or thought. May your eternity be as wretched as your last years, followed by clusters of howling ghosts you cannot escape.
    I sit on my porch, drinking coffee and Red-Xing as my 4 year old plays, laughs, imagines, dreams.
    The perfume of the 100-year old lilac bush beside me is enough to make me drunk.
    Life is beautiful. The world is a holy place. I am grateful for the gifts I have been given.
    As long as there is breath in my body, I will put myself against this enterprise of death, this barren false and empty lie.

    A haiku:

    Blue jays chatter, scream.
    It has more meaning than all
    $cientology.

    • midatlanticcoast

      I’ll repeat what has been said before: You have a gift and thank you for sharing it with us.

    • joan nieman

      I love your descriptive writing Panopea. You have the ability to express emotions with fervor It likens your words to a sword that cuts the dragon down, slash by slash!

  • D.Y.G.

    When the mom gets declared will the kid be allowed to join the Sea Org? Will the kid be required to communicate formally her disconnection from her mom?

    Not entirely clear on how the PTS/SP “handling” goes down.

  • phronsie

    Saw this today, with the title “10 Reasons I Love Tom Cruise,” and wrote a long list of why I “love” Tom Cruise, but my computer glitched and it was all lost. 🙁

    http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/tom-cruise-10-reasons-why-we-love-the-edge-of-tomorrow-star-29259.gallery

    • D.Y.G.

      Gah! I can think of 10 reasons why I’d love for Tom Cruise to chuck it all and move to the Kentucky Appalacians.

    • ze moo

      TC was on the ‘Daily Show’ with Jon Stewart last night. Lots of inappropriate. laughter from TC and big smiles from all. The loud clapping when TC came out was over the top, did the NYC mOrgs get all the tickets?? No deviation from the usual TC lovefest, no tough questions. I am surprised that TC didn’t do the Letterman show, is he taking a day off to be with Suri??

      One can only hope more people go to Maleficent then TOE.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Someone explained a while back (maybe Poison Ivy) that big name celebrities have enough clout to impose conditions before accepting an interview. Ignoring the rider can result in legal threats to cut the offending footage and/or the celebrity blacklists the show or even the entire network. Maybe TC wasn’t on Letterman because he refused to agree to the rider.

        • ze moo

          Or maybe because Dave had Katie Holmes on the show once too often. The TOE press tour, (which TC claims he invented) has been very extensive and long. Afraid of poor sales?? TC gets a lot of ticket sales in other countries, I doubt this movie will lose money, but will it clean up?

          The ’10 things I like about TC’ are mostly another love fest, but one comment rings true…

          “The A-list actor frequently makes headlines for his bizarre behavior,”

        • D.Y.G.

          IIRC, the PR people can also keep their other celebrity clients from booking the shows.

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            Yep. Forgot about that.

  • Narapoid

    WTF!?!??!? Even with all the information out about them, (that she knew!) those dedicated slavers got another beautiful, bright, love gushing little pilgrim. They know they will have to keep their eye on her.

    How the f#(k did this happen?

    Her PC folders from the time she was born. From that they found a button, ruin, idea, WHATEVER that held the key to getting her in. Now they have her isolated, cut-off, busy like there is no tomorrow with no time for reflection.

    How the f#(k DID this happen?

    Her dog shit daddy took her into the heart of the beast. Was it for an ethics handling of his own? Or was it because his bridge retread was so damned expensive, he didn’t want to cover her university studies. Either way, Chuck Sterne, you are an idiot, a turd and lousy father.

    $cientology: Don’t even dabble in the shit.

    • Cognited and Out

      You are absolutely spot on! Parents – sorry to,say this, but I. My experience especially fathers – have these kids, but then don’t want the expense, so they ship them off into the Sea Org and justify it by it being greater good, they’re just thetans, ya dad yadda crap crap crap. This is not a religion – it’s a Dickensian workhouse!

      • Elar Aitch

        Hmmm – I wonder who was footing college fees for Sami…

    • Juicer77

      I hope her time growing up (at least partially) in the real world will help her realize more quickly what a cluster she’s gotten herself into. Sadly there will always be “seekers” who think they’ve found IT. Human nature is a wonderful and terrible thing.

    • Sherbet

      “Even with all the information out about them, (that she knew!) those dedicated slavers got another beautiful, bright, love gushing little pilgrim.” They also got someone who was going to learn Actual Medical Science, far from the studies of the big charlatan himself, lrh.

      • Narapoid

        I already know the response: “Yeah, taking care of meat bodies is a MEST thing. It just doesn’t compare to clearing the planet.”

        I felt the need of medical attention after reading this.

        • Sherbet

          You and every other poster here today, Narapoid. We’re all sick.

  • Xique

    I was introduced to Scientology in my freshman year of college as well. I promptly quit school and signed a 5 year contract to work day and night for a mission. My poor parents were devastated, and tried everything to prevent me from making the worst mistake of my life. I disregarded their love and wisdom and instead listened to the recruiters. This story stirs up some things for me to say the least. I am sorry Mary Jane, this is awful. I have daughters in their 20s , and I can imagine the heartbreak you are feeling. i am sending you love and support.

    • More stories of what life is like on the inside always helps. Glad you’re out 🙂

    • Silence of the Clams

      Promptly quit. I’ve heard that more than a few times.

      Could you do all of us ‘never ins’ a favor and explain to us what it was that transpired over this short period to make you just up and leave school and ignore your parents? I know we all have a rebellious side to us and I suspect there is always that component but it just seems so extreme to up and do that. How do they suck you in and convince you to make such life-altering changes so quickly?

      And I’m really glad you got out. Your daughter will hopefully use your wisdom to never get caught up in that type of situation.

      • chukicita

        Aw, I was never in but certainly made some uninformed decisions in my youth that I’m sure agonized my parents to no end. I’m just fortunate that they involved music and not Scientology 😀

      • Xique

        Well for one I was following my boyfriends lead and because i was utterly infatuated with him, naturally I agreed to check it out. Two, I was a naive 18 year old, 3000 miles from home, and was on an adventure over winter break after my 1st semester in college, where I was accustomed to smoking a lot of pot and experimenting with a variety of recreational drugs. I wasn’t proud of this getting high all of the time. Scientology spoke of getting away from drugs,going clear , attaining all kinds of abilities, by way of the Purification Rundown , auditing , and various courses. They assured me college was not worth my while when instead I could spend the time helping others, and myself as well. I was love bombed and so was my boyfriend. I was in a bit of a trance from the communications course too, let’s not forget.
        Regarding my parents, ignoring their pleas to get away from Scientology, was the hardest thing to do, ever. My father had a history of nervous breakdowns, shock treatment, psych drugs, having fought in WW2. There were difficult times growing up with him , putting it mildly. My point is that I was immediately indoctrinated into thinking Psychiatry was the enemy, and here my folks had been using shock treatment and meds for my dad yet still he was troubled, so really my parents mustn’t know what the hell they are talking about with regards to mental health, spiritual enlightenment , self improvement, what have you. I put all of this to my parents, suggesting to them that my father was in Apathy, very low on the tone scale, and that psychiatry had made him worse. What a little punk I was, it’s embarrassing to admit. They actively fought for me to come home

        • Xique

          for several years. I loved them dearly, and they me. It saddens me to know I put them through this for so long. Anyway that’s a brief telling of my early days, looking back it was a miserable time for me.

          • NOLAGirl

            We all put our parents through things. I don’t know if you and your parents have had that moment of forgiveness, but I hope you’ll forgive yourself. You’re out, speaking out and hopefully doing well. You know now you’re on the right path. ((((hugs))))

          • Unex Skcus

            Great you were able to move forward with your life 🙂

          • Zer0

            Xique,

            Thanks so much for telling your story. Just by telling it, you are helping many people.

            You know how the cult intellectually rapes newbies with love bombing, and hypnotism from the comm courses.

            So great that you are here! You can help prevent more harm.

        • MissCandle

          This is why we must all teach our children about cult tactics /i/before/i/ they are in a position of vulnerability and access.

    • aquaclara

      Wish I had more than an almost-empty tissue box to share with you, X. Omg. Thank heavens you’re out.
      If you are up to it, and want to write more, maybe consider giving your story to Tony.
      We are all listening, and of course, knowing your kids are now at that age – sending you huge hugs, too – hope your parents got to see that you were able to get out. I have a son the same age as Sammi. It’s too painful to consider.

  • Suppressive Meritorius

    Unrelated random shoop: Wonder Wanker

  • vistaril_LOL

    fucking scumbags..and by that I mean fucking cunts. hope she gets out ASAP.

  • Jenstnick

    Is there a secret Scientology douchebag club? Cuz I think Hugh Power could give Grant Cardone a run for his money.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Sometimes, only Red-Xing can let me express my anger and visceral loathing.
    Friends, go take down these lying ads:

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-89#post-2461374

    Just say NO.
    ty ap

  • Axton

    Another promising youth whose future is being destroyed by the evil cult of Scientology. Despite the information widely available, an 18 year old is still immature and vulnerable to the mind control schemes of the cult. THIS is why we need the LEA to do their jobs and stop the human rights abuse.

  • Time to remember the TV show “Scientology Labour Camps” by the very excelent Brian Semour.

    http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/02/scientology_shane_kelsey_rpf.php

    But I guess investigative TV journalism is an Australian thing…

  • kemist

    There’s a reason why they target college campuses.

    It’s likely the first time these kids are away from home, and it’s also a time when you really think about your future and what you’ll do with your life. Sometimes, you know no one in that new place you’ve just been plopped into. For some this combination is a source of deep anxiety. I was lucky that the dorm I was in organised parties where we lonely and scared youths got to hang out together with a couple beers and pizza. This defused the tension considerably.

    There were cult-like organisations recruiting on campus.

    One thing I’ve observed is that here they tend to target immigrants or people who look like they don’t belong. One of my Indian friend was hounded for months by Mormon missionaries before they understood that a practicing brahmin with extensive knowledge of his own scripture was a bit harder to convert than they first thought, and that if they kept at it, he might convert them.

    My white skin and thick quebecois accent probably acted as a protection in this context. Even if I was in a different city, this was still my place, and I belonged. I was a very unlikely recruit, better concentrate on those bewildered african and indian students thousands of miles away from their family, in a strange unfamiliar culture.

    • Science Doc

      I’ve spent a lot of time on a lot of university campuses on both coasts and in between. Until recently what I saw a lot of was the LaRouches. They were famous for trying to start arguments about wild political fantasies to draw in the angry and disaffected. I’ve also seen a fair number of Mormon Missionaries including earlier this week. Where there is a Hillel House there is a lot of prosletizing toward people who may have been from Jewish families. What you mostly see is an endless number of mostly Protestant groups, very often organized along ethnic, racial, or national divides. Who would have guessed Koreans would be susceptible to Protestant fundamentalism? I must say I’ve seen very little Scientology recruiting over the years. Once or twice a year I see stress test ads or litter promoting Dianetics.

      • kemist

        I’d never even heard of the Larouches – my god, what a bunch of lunatics.

        We don’t get very impressive representation in our cult groups here. Perhaps the language serves as a barrier, or maybe our legendary and widespread apathy and distrust of religion is now well known for these groups.

        We have a defeated-looking outreach of Campus for Christ whose members don’t even dare make eye contact with you if you’re white and french-speaking. We have our Mormon missionaries, who act more or less in the same way.

        • Robert Eckert

          Larouchies are strictly a USA phenomenon. We had an occasional poster (haven’t seen her in a while) Marion Dee who lost her ex-husband to that cult. A different style of madness, but same relentlessness about draining every bit of money and labor out of the followers while cutting them off from any friends or family who might say something uncomplimentary about Dear Leader and the cultish behavior. Lyndon Larouche is in his 90’s now and it will be interesting to see if there is anybody left to take over after he dies or if the cult will just dry up and blow away.

      • Davka

        Just for point of clarification, in my experience, Hillel House is not a cult – it is a community resource for Jewish college age kids on campus. There is diversity of religious practice, belief, and opinion. Non- Jews are welcome to attend events, services, dinners, etc. it is outreach, but it is not proselytizing. Chabad House may be a different story re: proselytizing, but even then, not generally a love bombing hard sell.. Full disclosure: I was on the Hillel House student board at my school many years ago. And there were plenty of cult-like organízations hanging around, but Hillel wasn’t one of them.

        • Science Doc

          I don’t think most of these are cults. They are visible on campuses. Scientology is not.

    • Back in the late ’70s the Moonies and the Lyndon Larochites used to try to recruit people into their respective “movements”. I found it odd that my parents thought I might be tempted to join one of these weird movements, I guess because on the outside I was an easy-going type.

      • kemist

        Since this is the first time their child is away from them, many parents are very worried about what we’ll do on our own.

        My mom was convinced at some point that I was suicidal because one of my aunts had been told so by a loony psychic who had never met me. I had not shown any sign of depression previously. She also became worried that I was “getting into a cult” when I started hanging out with a bunch of indians (who for most aren’t even practicing hindus), even though I had already made it clear that I was an atheist.

  • RBE

    Samantha Sterne is on Twitter. There are four disturbing tweets in a row from 31 Dec 2012 and 1 Jan 2013. There have been no new tweets since 11 Jan 2013. (F5)

    • Observer

      The last one is particularly poignant. Because of her lack of knowledge, she gave her power away and is now under Scientology’s capricious, abusive and dictatorial control.

    • Juicer77

      I don’t even know what to say… she’s disappearing as an individual. So sad.

    • Narapoid

      This was all in a 2 day love-bombing infatuation frenzy.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      She’s finished rice and beans and no toilet paper. Way to go , Dad.

    • Narapoid

      Isolated at Cult Headquarters and served up by her own Father, a twisted and broken soul in his own right. All of her friends are getting ready for New Years before the next school session. The culties have been on her day and night. Her FATHER SERVED HER UP.

      I have to stop. I am too angry to make a coherent comment.

      Her Daddy betrayed her.

    • grundoon

      Sea Org worker bees are not allowed to have a cell phone or use the Internet. No more Twitter, no more Instagram.

  • Juicer77

    RED-X RED-X RED-X RED-X RED-X RED-X
    Keep up the good work, flaggers! New participants always welcome. Easy instructions above the main list.

    Today’s main list:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-89#post-2461375

    Portland and Seattle links here:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-89#post-2461364

    • Juicer77

      Our tactics must be working – the weasels have started posting back-dated ads. Go get ’em!

  • Zana

    Did Judge Waldrip decide that in his opinion Co$ is a BUSINESS?!! When did this happen? I’m out here every day and I MISSED this!! If so, when did it happen?! This would be HUGE!

    • NOLAGirl

      He said something about it in one of his recent rulings and/or statements but because it’s an opinion and not a judgement it doesn’t mean much. And as Jeff said in the video, the lawyers will argue that for as long and as hard as they can.

      • Zana

        Thank you. At least it’s a crack. At least it opens the door to start the conversation. It starts the thinking process going in (hopefully) the IRS’s head. IF they are paying attention.

        All of these things together will keep collecting to create a tremendous drag for the Co$. And at point parts of the structure will start weakening and, like a thousand tunnels under a large building, pretty soon one of them will start to cave in, which will cause the others to strain and then collapse. Dominos. So we just keep drilling more tunnels. Throwing more (molotov) cocktails over the wall.

        • Once_Born

          Undermining has a fine military heritage
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_%28military%29

          • Zana

            Wow! So that’s where that word comes from! I never knew. I checked out you link and a few others from there. Thank you. Very interesting! Undermining. Wow. I never knew that was where that word came from.

  • Lori Hodgson

    OMG!! This recruitment from these family destroying SO recruiters needs to STOP NOW!!! Too many families are being ripped apart! Big {{{HUGS}}} to you Mary Jane! If you would like to talk, please PM me on FB. I have two children that I am disconnected from. Us Moms and Dads and other loved ones that are disconnected understand how awful this is. I’m so sorry!!!!

    • D.Y.G.

      I’m starting to think all you disconnected moms should gather forces and form a PR/lobbying group.

      • ze moo

        ‘Disconnection’ is a tort able offense in New Jersey. You can sue if the clams cut you off from your family. I do hope some Jerseyites do that.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Nice to see you , Lori. If anybody can ad some insight into this insanity it is you. Find out what car wash she is working at and surprise visit her with a news crew.

      .

      • Lori Hodgson

        Thanks Troy!

    • aquaclara

      Sending some flowers of hope your way, Lori.

      I hope all the moms like you and Mary Jane see your kids back safe and sound very soon. Your kids are in my prayers.

      • Lori Hodgson

        Awe, thank you aquaclara! Me too! ❤️

    • joan nieman

      You are a hero Lori. I love your strength and determination. A mother’s love is stronger than a storm. I am with you in my heart.

      • Lori Hodgson

        Your support, Joan means the world to me and everyone else’s support through this disconnection nightmare. I love how we all care and support one another! Hugs to you Joan for being there. ❤️

    • Elar Aitch

      You guys really need to stick together – your mom voices are powerful – Victoria Britton too

  • Narapoid

    If my ex took my baby to the slavers, I don’t know exactly what I would do. My first impulse would involve a flame thrower (they are cheap and easy to get).

    God this story pisses me off! The cult is absolutely dependent on born-ins to feed the slave population, and Sami’s is not the only one. Hubbard’s damned machine has no off switch; it has to be starved to death.

    Torin is the Cult hero that truly sells the scheme. I hope she follows up with all of her recruits to make certain they get their day off every week and 2 weeks off a year.

    • Mark

      Torin’s a boy’s name.

      • Narapoid

        Oh… This isn’t as seductive, but more accurate. *refresh*

      • joan nieman

        Aw!.You wrecked it Mark!

  • PRenaud

    Don’t know if this link was posted… here’s David Farrier’s explanation to all of our comments on his article “Tom Cruise: Hollywood’s Last Great Action Hero. http://www.3news.co.nz/Tom-Cruise-Scientology-and-me/tabid/418/articleID/347332/Default.aspx

    • NOLAGirl

      Saw that earlier. He’s still trying to milk it for clicks.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Yes, I know. And people from the Bunker are still there today, giving him more clicks, attention, and pulling in all kind of trolls. WTF? I don’t understand. :-/

        • midatlanticcoast

          I’ll admit that I wasn’t thinking about giving him clicks when I went there. I was curious to see what lame BS he had posted. I’ll try to think before I click next time. Curiosity killed the cat.

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Don’t worry. I did the same. I just didn’t engage in any commenting once I read the gist of his first post and was glad I hadn’t when I read his second in which he was obviously and gleefully bullbaiting the Bunker. He has no interest in educating himself further about the evil that is at the core of scientology. He is enjoying his recent infamy and notoriety and looking for more. I also suspect he is not being honest. IMO, his glib photo says it all. (below)

            (refresh) With apologies…

            • midatlanticcoast

              I didn’t comment, either. Does that mean that I didn’t give him a click? I missed my calling. I should be in IT.

    • midatlanticcoast

      “When I visit Los Angeles to interview celebrities, I often call into their big LA church. I enjoy the fact that Ron L Hubbard Way is the cleanest road in a dirty, dirty city” If this is true, it’s because they make their slaves clean it with their toothbrushes.

      • D.Y.G.

        Visual addition….

        • lucille austero

          Sick.

    • flyonthewall

      Hey Donna – you narc! Why you try to spoil our fun/propaganda campaign!? I have written a KR on you and am sending it to Tony right now. You’re in big trouble missy!

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        I’ll send one , too.

    • D.Y.G.

      Wow. This guy is a professional?

      • NOLAGirl

        Professional click-whore.

        • philosofa

          Exactly!

    • philosofa

      Thanks for the link but I don’t plan to go back to 3news to take a look at anything else he has to say. David Farrier is an apologist for a criminal, human-rights abusing cult, a total flake and just an opportunist.

      He’s irrelevant, and now 3news are as well for being so lame in supporting his cult/TC brown-nosing.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Samantha’s story makes me sick to my stomach.

  • Observer

    By the way, welcome to anyone from David Farrier’s page who may be lurking here. It we appear somewhat rabid, it’s not because we are lunatics or bigots – it’s because we know what lurks behind Scientology’s carefully cultivated public image, and we can’t sit silently while lives and families are destroyed. Google Lisa McPherson. THIS is what Tom Cruise actively supports, personally and financially. THIS is why his beliefs are our business.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      I’d like to add that this is not an anti-scientology site as claimed by M. Farrier and “Donna”. We’re scientology critics: we don’t care about the beliefs. It’s the well documented abuses we object to, indirectly condoned by apologists of the likes of M. Farrier.

      • Sherbet

        Psssst. I’m anti. If scientology and all its fake religiosity and pricey self-help regimens and antiquated traditions disappeared off the face of the earth, I’d be happy. Yes, people can believe whatever they want — I do — but cos is simply a bad citizen of the planet in so many ways.

        • midatlanticcoast

          It’s hard for me to separate their “beliefs” from the toxicity that results from acting on their “beliefs”. In my mind, it’s one big ball of poison. I’ve never been in and am looking at it from an outside view and realize that a lot of people can separate the two.

          • Sherbet

            Ditto, midatlantic. It all began with misogynist, racist, improbable and impossible theories packaged as science by lrh himself.

            • midatlanticcoast

              Their beliefs are the exact opposite of what they are trying to portray to the outside world. They make up words and change definitions so that they think they look like they are for human rights, are ethical, helping families stay together, and helping their communities. They are doing the exact opposite.

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            Imo, in itself, can-holding talk therapy and whatever spiritual significance they want to give to floating needles is nothing other than woo. It’s the coercive, punitive and controling aspects surrepticiously ingrained in the whole that makes it unmistakeably dangerous.

            • Missionary Kid

              Exactly.

            • Dancing Cranberry

              I think the can-holding talk therapy is dangerous because
              1. the questions asked are very intrusive in some sessions and the person holding the cans likely believes that a) the auditor has a right to the information asked and b) lying is not an option because the e-meter can detect lies.
              2. the information collected during auditing is held for blackmail purposes.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              “b) lying is not an option because the e-meter can detect lies.”

              Actually, many exes have said that, most often as a matter of self-preservation, they eventually learned to manipulate the e-meter.

              The dangerous aspects you mention, I think, are part of the nefarious aspects I mentionned above. Say Hubbard was a well-meaning guy (lol) and put legitimate safeguards in the practice of auditing comparable to the ethical standards of any legitimate therapist (ie discussion with the patient about relevant issues and strict codes of confidentiality), auditing would be no better, no worse woo than Chopra’s Quantum Consciousness, homeopathy, crystals and angels.

              I don’t care if scientologists believe that auditing helps them achieve higher levels of spirituality, tap into past lives or firmly believe they have higher access to parking spaces. However, I do very much care that these beliefs come at the cost of financial ruin, destroyed families and full commitment, body and soul, to the exclusion of any and all other opportunities.

          • Dancing Cranberry

            I could believe that $cientology is a benign religion if:
            1. when they claim that a session is free, it would be free on exit as well as entry.
            2. they would not demand that you bankrupt your family as well as yourself in order to coerce you to take the next course.
            3. lies were not an inherent part of their belief system
            4. they paid their “volunteers”/staff a living wage
            5. they would ensure that their volunteers/staff got at least 1 day off/week and no more than 10 hour days.
            6. they encouraged staff to spend time with family and friends, no matter what they believe.
            7. they allowed course participants to share their perceptions of the courses
            8. they tolerated civilized dissent and used the information they gleaned through that dissent to improve their organization.
            9. they disallowed bullying and work-place abuse at any level in their organization
            10. return of unused course fees was done promptly and with all good wishes
            11. they disavowed and were careful to avoid fair-gaming
            12. they scrupulously avoided recruitment of minor children

            Any points I missed?

            Since none of those points is currently true, I am anti-$cientology (I try not to be anti-$cientologist).

            • Sherbet

              Yes, you missed the misdirection of millions of parishioners’ dollars directly to fund DM’s luxuries.

            • Dancing Cranberry

              You are right, Sherbet. Let’s make that:
              13. dm worked the same hours and at the same rate of pay as volunteers/staff. He would also be subject to the same rules about no bullying, etc.

            • Sherbet

              Hear! Hear!

            • aquaclara

              ….and donations able to be paid only in Monopoly money and chocolate candy coins….

            • aquaclara

              this is a great list, and I have a few more to add in.
              13. When they remove the locks that are on the outsides of the rooms in the Fort Harrison and SP building for good and open up the HOLE so that there can be no more incarceration of victims.
              14. When they reimburse the families of Lisa McPherson, Kyle Brennan, Shawn Lonsdale and every other family that has lost a child to the evil of the cult.
              15. When they return the personal files to each former member freely, without legal action required.
              16. When they publicly acknowledge, apologize and compensate all those who were forced to abort their babies. And give special care to all that they have forced Lori Dieckman to endure.
              17. When they drop all their lawsuits, publicly admit to their crimes and reimburse every victim appropriately for the pain and suffering they endured.
              18. When they open their tax files and make them subject to a public audit.
              19. When they release all the children held hostage and return them to their families once again.
              20. When they publicly acknowledge all their shell corporations, close down all the Narconons, and compensate all the victims.
              21. When they remove all the spy equipment and cameras both from public right-of-ways and from their own buildings.
              22. And when they give up their buildings to the towns where they belong, in compensation for the lies they have told, the pain they have created, and the taxes they did not pay.
              23. And when they give Tony full access to all the records of the fraud church, so he can scribe away happily for many years, with his woofy dog at his feet, and his Bunker cats lolling atop his desk, among the many awards and trophies he will have amassed for his dogged determination to expose the secrets.

            • Missionary Kid

              The answer is, of course, it will never happen.

            • aquaclara

              I know. But I’m not giving up.

            • Missionary Kid

              I wasn’t intimating that eliminating the cult was impossible. What I’m saying is that it’s impossible for it to change.

            • Observer

              When they remove this fencing from around Gold Base (where AGP took this pic) and any other facility where it has been installed.

            • Narapoid

              Amen baby! AGP captured everything that needs to be known about the internal workings of $cio in one photo, placed in context.

              Us and them. Keep them out and us, “us”.

            • Observer

              By ANY means necessary.

    • philosofa

      ^^^^^+ 🙂

    • kemist

      Mr. Farrier might also be interested to know how much scientologists secretly despise wogs and dilettantes (theetie-wheeties) such as himself, however useful they are in promoting good PR.

      • Observer

        He sure blew off the whole 1.1 thing.

      • Elar Aitch

        Useful idiots

    • I called David a “reach-around journalist.” He’s not a real journalist, he’s a friggen troll.

  • flyonthewall

    word up Observer! Better yet, google “The Truth Rundown” or wiki “The Hole” and find out what kind of guy Tom chose as his BFF

  • Troy MacGyver SP

    I’m lost ,is she,”missing?” Held against her will in an ,RPF or just happy as a clam on a rice and bean diet dressed like a moron?

    • flyonthewall

      happy as a clam Troy

      • Observer

        For now.

  • Jerseygram

    I wonder why Tom Cruise didn’t encourage his children to sign billion year slave labor contracts. One would think that as dedicated a Scientologist as he is, he would have been proud to have them enjoy poor living conditions, bad food, and intolerably long work days for next to no pay.

    • flyonthewall

      I believe that his adopted kids did do a stint in the SO. Sure they got pref treatment

      • Sherbet

        I don’t think that’s correct, fly. Bella flirted with it, because she had a boyfriend go into the SO. But I don’t think either Bella or Connor ever joined.

        • flyonthewall

          I shall look into my fiber optic crystal ball, brb

        • flyonthewall

          you are correct sir!

          • Sherbet

            Um, madam.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      I think one of them did?

      • flyonthewall

        Very quick search and looks like it was his daughter’s boyfriend that joined briefly, I was kinda close, in the ballpark?

        • Elar Aitch

          Close, but no cigar!

          • flyonthewall

            really? ok I give up, whats the dealy-o?

    • Sherbet

      As a dedicated scienologist, I think he should have publicly stated that he was disconnecting from Katie Holmes and Suri. Think of the damage that would have done to his and the cos’s reputation, to have it right from the horse’s (ass’s) mouth.

    • kemist

      Aren’t his adult children disaffected with the church ?

  • Troy MacGyver SP

    Why is everybody changing their avitars? Is it to confuse OSA or because of the bleeding heartbug virus?

    • kemist

      Changing avatars does nothing against Heartbleed – changing passwords might be a good idea though.

      Perhaps it’s just part of the spirit of spring, cleaning up, changing things, ect.

    • NOLAGirl

      I just felt like I wanted something new.

    • Missionary Kid

      Avatars aren’t tattoos. They can easily be changed, although it makes it harder to quickly identify someone when we’re searching for a particular Bunkaroo. It reflects the mood they’re in.

  • ze moo

    I: think ‘daddy’ is playing some sick game with his ex. How much ‘ethics protection’ do you get when you donate your daughter to the clampire? Do you get the new ‘purif’ at a discount? Nahh, there are no discounts in the clampire.

    And they still want your firstborn, or second born or any warm body you can throw them. Sort of like that famous Russian painting of the sled being chased by wolves. Every once in a while the sled occupants throw out of their number to keep the wolves from eating everybody. This story sounds like that.

    Sad bull is sad…..and pissed off…time to red x some invertebrates….

  • Semper Phi

    I know exactly what happened with Sami at Flag, because when I was training there, one of my pc’s was recruited to the SO while I was auditing her. She was a 16-year-old from New Zealand, lovely, charming, from a Scientology family–chum in the water for the SO recruiting sharks. Her parents had sent her to Flag during her summer school break to make some fast progress in training, and she was staying with her aunt and uncle in Clearwater. I got to know her in the course room, and although she was talking to the recruiters, the full-court press had not begun yet. By the time I started auditing her, though, her whole life was being disrupted by them.

    She didn’t really want to join–she wanted to go back to New Zealand and work with her parents (I think they had a field auditing group or something). But the recruiting was so intense. She had problems getting enough sleep to go in session, because they came to her house and stayed into the early hours of the morning, browbeating her. The only time she was safe was when we took breaks during our sessions, because disturbing a pc in session is forbidden. At the beginning of each session, the pc is asked some questions to handle life situations that might be distracting them, so their session will go more smoothly. And I’m not kidding, every “ARC Break,” “Present-Time Problem” or “Missed Withhold” she had related to her SO recruitment. It took so long to handle them that we had hardly any time in session to handle the actual auditing.

    Then one day, she didn’t show up for session, and I was told she had signed The Contract and started the EPF. After she finished the EPF, I saw her briefly once, and then she disappeared completely. I hope she was somehow able to quit and then go home, because I knew from what she had repeatedly said in her sessions, that she really didn’t want to join (and her parents didn’t want her to, either). But, the recruiter-sharks were relentless and got her. The whole episode made me ill, and it was only the first of several that I saw up close. That, more than any of the unpleasantness I experienced at the hands of SO members, made me hate the SO as an institution.

    • aquaclara

      Thanks for adding this in here, Semper Phi. It makes me sick to my stomach hearing about it, so I can only imagine how much worse it was to see this firsthand. It’s a consistent pattern of attack, isn’t it? We see it in Derek’s story, Sammi’s story, and here you have another one from a young woman from New Zealand. These are too many similar stories about people being eaten alive in a matter of days just to ensnare a new victim.

      I wholeheartedly agree with Derek’s comments (from above) about this insidious evil of Scientology. Anybody who tries to excuse parts of it away may simply be wrestling with past baggage or they aren’t looking at this truthfully.

      • Semper Phi

        I agree completely with Derek also. It is insidious, and it is evil. While I was auditing this girl, I kept thinking, “Why don’t her aunt and uncle throw the recruiters out of their house?” But I also knew the reason why, since I knew parents of teenaged SO recruits who didn’t want their children to join–especially so young–but also felt powerless to resist. The guillotine blade of getting into ethics trouble hovered over their heads and kept them from putting up much of a fight. And the SO recruiters were very hard to resist. They were all young, physically attractive, and charismatic, and had that arrogance that comes from knowing that they could flout all policy and “Scientology principles” and manners in service of “the greatest good.” The only rule they wouldn’t break was talking to a pc during a session break. But boy, right after session, there they were. And since they had Command Intention behind them, they were untouchable.

        • Betsy

          It’s a formula that WORKS, over and over, with cults. Take an impressionable teenager (and if you can, get one who just lost a sweetheart or is lonely!), keep them at low blood sugar and not enough sleep, love-bomb them with happy, smartly-dressed people who seem to have all the answers…you’ll get your new recruit.

    • Phil McKraken

      I have a question about these late-night recruiting sessions. How is it that this girl and her aunt & uncle didn’t toss the SO sharks out of the house when the sun set on decent visiting hours? Is it some sort of taboo in Sci-world to disrespect SO to the extent of inviting them to leave when bedtime comes around?

      • NOLAGirl

        This seems to be part of that always in an emergency, rush to get something done that many exes have spoken of. I hope more people will start throwing them out.

      • Semper Phi

        It is probably partly because they are in the Sea Org, which gives them “altitude.” But consider, the kids are bombarded with the “Don’t you want to save the planet? What better could you do with your life?” hard sell, and that is a hard sell to fight back against. For their part, the adults are deeply mindful of the fact that if they push back or try to put limits on the recruiting, they will be reported to Ethics for putting stops on Command Intention. And becoming Ethics Cases puts stops on their Bridge progress, and perhaps their professional and social wellbeing. Not many of them have the courage and tenacity of people like Lori Hodgson, to resist and then take the consequences.
        The fear of being reported to Ethics extends to reg sessions as well. A friend of mine had an IAS “civilian” reg show up unannounced to his home around 9 PM on a weeknight. She had brought a Sea Org accomplice–probably to benefit from his SO altitude and “ethics presence”–and despite being told they could stay only a few minutes, they stayed much longer. And then when my friend finally expressed his anger and insisted they leave, she wrote a Knowledge Report about how hostile he had been to them, and HE was the one called into Ethics. The whole system is evil and abusive.

      • Richard Lloyd-Roberts

        Phil, Yes and there is much more to this that can be even explained here. If there is even a notion that the parents are counter intention to their kids going in the SO a full scale “handling” done on them including sec checking (auditing to brainwash you in a nutshell) and all staff are mobilized to handle the person. I’ll write a section about recruit cycles as a main thread.

      • Oh if you only knew. I could tell some crazy stories about what happens to people who are “counter-intention” to Sea Org recruiters. Their lives are made hell until they agree to let the SO take their kids. I’ve never seen as much pressure applied to anyone as I have by SO recruiters who have their sights set on a young recruit prospect and who need to get the parents out of the way.

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      That’s nauseating enough to read about. Can’t imagine what you felt seeing it in motion.

      Thanks for your insight, Semper Phi. These are the things we need to understand.

    • Eugene K

      The Church needs to be recognized as a business and the Sea Org disbanded. It’ll be the end to all of this.

  • It doesn’t take much contact with Scientology at all to make someone, especially a child, susceptible to their snake oil salesmen. This is why I have an absolutely no-tolerance approach to anything that is even remotely related to Scientology. This is why I say all of Scientology is evil–every last bit of it. This is why I despise Scientology no matter whether you call it “independent” or “corporate” or “freezone” or “Est” or “Landmark Forum”. Every last bit of it is pure evil and anyone who perpetuates it is guilty.

    The next time you find yourself sympathizing with a Scientologist who says that “some of the stuff in Scientology is good”, or the next time you want to criticize me for being so hard on ‘independents’: remember that this young woman was hardly exposed to Scientology at all and yet she was completely subsumed by the Sea Org in a matter of days.

    • Missionary Kid

      Derek, I’ve started a list Douchbag Club for those who’ve done despicable things, and I put Hugh Power on it for luring his kid into the sea org. I was considering putting your parents on it for their role in putting you in and disconnecting from you, but I wouldn’t do that without your say so. They would also join the Cardones and Tommy Davis.

      • It’s your list so it’s up to you. I don’t think they are worthy of a list like that. They’re just lowly peons, not like the whale Cardones or the Tommy Davises.

        • Missionary Kid

          They’re not going on it, then. Thanks.

          • Mooser

            That’s a good list. Too often it is easy to lose sight of those in the upper echelons of Scientology who aren’t Hubbard or Miscavige. Well, they both had help, plenty of it, and those names and deeds shouldn’t be lost.
            Also, how many Scientologists deal directly with Hubbard or Miscavige? I would guess that the administrative layers below them is where most of the people-to-people action is.
            For instance, the misguided girl in the article, did Miscavige order her brought in? Or did it involve upper echelons at the org, who for some reason (gee, I couldn’t think what) really wanted her on board?
            Anyway, it’s a good list..

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m thinking about starting a list of parents who put their kids in the sea morgue, but I believe that probably as soon as the daughter showed up at flag, the recruiters went into action. After all, they have a lot of pressure to get more victims, and they look at recruiting as a means to get help to “clear the planet”. It’s probably in the air at Flag. Probably nobody had to be told what to do.

            • Semper Phi

              MK, many parents of kids who join the SO do not “put” them there. They bow to what looks like the inevitable, unstoppable force of Command Intention, and then do what they can not to lose contact with their kids completely. They can be proud that their children have taken on a big challenge, while also having misgivings about what it will mean to their lives. It’s one way that Hubbard’s fake navy is a bit like the real military–parents can be proud of their kids and at the same time be deeply anxious about their wellbeing.

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re right. That’s a good reason to not publish such a list.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          To me, a douchbag is a douchbag–screw the rankings! Anyone who hurt you or tried to kill your spirit is a royal platinum meritorious douchbag!

      • Narapoid

        MK, surely Sami’s traitorous father is on that list? John Allender and the rest of the Squirrel busters. The dipshit who used to write for Freedumb magazine who dropped his meat a little while back.

        But there should be a special section for child neglect, abuse and misuse. The mega-asshole Wally Hanks from a link I saw here yesterday. Lori’s ex. And now, Charles “Chuck” Sterne.

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s an idea. Maybe I’ll start a list of parents who shoveled their kids into the sea org. I’ve taken down the names, and I’ll think about it.

          • Narapoid

            Do not rush THAT sad endeavor.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ll keep it to myself.

          • That’s a tough one because there are some ex-Scientologists who would end up on that list.

            • Missionary Kid

              Agreed. I’d only keep track of the ones still in. If your parents ever blow, they’ll be off my personal, unpublished shit list if and when they apologize to you.

            • Jenny Daniels

              Perhaps you could put up that list with an asterisks after the names of those who are now out, or just include those still in?

            • Missionary Kid

              It becomes a problem because for parents like Derek’s, who are small potatoes, even though they’ve drunk deep, there are probably others who are easing their way out.

              In my mind, the idea is to hit the system, not so much the people. If someone is a whale and sucks their kid in, I’ll call them out when it happens. Derek went into the sea org years ago.

              There are going to be parents ready to blow that might get called out. There will be parents trying to stay under the radar, who might want to keep contact with the kids that are in, and don’t need the publicity.

              It would take a lot of work, and information that I don’t have to make those distinctions. I don’t want to call out the wrong people or add to anyone’s suffering.

        • Jenny Daniels

          Please repost the Wally Hanks link!
          There’s a special place in hell for that pedofilic ass!

          • Narapoid

            Miss Jenny, just search youtube. It and another volcano of entheta will erupt before you. All the best to you pilgrim!

            • Jenny Daniels

              Thanks so much! One of my kids, at his father’s insistance, was a “student” at Mace Kingsley up in Grass Valley-Nevada City around 1991.

            • Narapoid

              Oh my

    • Lori Hodgson

      Love you Derek!!! So happy we got to meet on my recent Texas trip! Your an awesome guy!!!

      • You and Dee are awesome ladies! I am so happy we got to spend some time together as well. You should be happy you were here back then. The weather is icky and muggy now!

        • Lori Hodgson

          It’s pretty dang hot here at the Lake. Supposed hit 102 on Sunday.

    • Betsy

      It strikes me that exposing a teenager (or young adult) to ANY CO$ org activity is really, really dangerous. Those Sea Org recruiters know what they’re doing and they are desperate to keep numbers up. Even taking a kid to a rundown is a tremendous risk.

      When I remember what I was like at Sami’s age….whew. All I can say is that Lady Luck gave me a pass by not throwing any CO$ activity in my wobbly little path.

      • philosofa

        The same here. I’m confident that I would have been easy meat for the cult recruiters when I was in my teens/early twenties and was that heady mix of inexperience and enthusiasm, gullible but overconfident, totally sure that I knew it all!

        It’s a time when many of us take crazy risks and make mistakes that we hopefully go on to learn from in our future lives. We pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down and go forward, older and wiser. Scientology does it’s damnedest to make sure there is no going forward..or in any direction except the circular hamster-wheel on the bridge to nowhere, controlled and dictated to by the cult.

        Lady Luck gave a pass to ALL of us who were fortunate enough to avoid the $cientology mind-trap, by sheer accident or otherwise.

    • Chee Chalker

      Is Landmark still affiliated with the Co$?

    • GSioux

      Totally with you!!!

    • Eugene K

      And of course Samantha should not be held responsible for any of her own actions and decisions… I do sympathize with her though. The “wog” world does not have much to offer in terms of an “on purpose” group an opportunities to work toward higher ideals. That’s what some parents seem to fail to realize that once a child grows up, it’s not all about them anymore. At least some people have a yearning for something greater than themselves and their immediate family, and that’s what Scientology appeals to – it offers someone a group and a sense of higher purpose like doing something about the whole planet… lol

      Of course in reality, it’s like in the military – you look at the ads of “honor,” “serve your country” etc – wanting to be a hero and stuff – and the moment step off the bus for basic training, you are yelled at that you are “no one” and you are there to follow orders. And that’s with the Sea Org – while promising to give an aspiring soul something more, it actually gives them a lot less in the end where even one’s most basic freedoms are taken away.

    • TDA1541A
    • Deborah Marrero-modico

      Thank you derek.i always said they are evil..people need to wake up and see the devil in disguise. We need to inform more people so no more child would be brain washed..thank you again…

    • Michael Fairman

      Well said, Derek

  • Mark

    Somehow I don’t see Shortarse risking his precious hide doing anything as risky as mountain-biking any time soon, but you never know… (refresh):

    • D.Y.G.

      He’s been hiding Hobbit feet in his bespoke heels.

      • Mark

        It looks like he’s about to stand on his tippy-toes out of long habit 😉

    • Sherbet

      Noooo….I wish he had a codpiece. My eyes! My eyes!

      • Mark

        You should’ve seen some of the Spandex horrors I found on Googlehearsay…

        • Sherbet

          Too close to my lunchtime, Mark. Thanks, anyway.

      • D.Y.G.

        He’s not really filling out his singlet very much. Maybe it was cold.

        • NOLAGirl

          Ecclesiastical Shrinkage. 🙂

          • Sherbet

            That’s where all his holiness as a religious leader resides. There’s less than a thimbleful, I’d guess.

        • Mark

          Maybe steroids?

      • Elar Aitch

        pssst….Sherbet….MOOSEKNUCKLE!!!!…

    • midatlanticcoast

      I’m going to have nightmares tonight.

      • Mark

        No – have a nice dream about him falling off it into a gorse-bush instead.

  • I know! Let’s go ask the LAPD to make a status check on her, telephone her to see if she is still alive.

    Oh wait. That didn’t work so well the last time.

    Here’s my view this morning (photo.)

    • D.Y.G.

      I haven’t decided yet whether you’re a Ted Kaczynski or a Bear Grylls.

      j/k, j/k

      Looks like good times. 🙂

      • Ha! When you read about the FBI digging up my cabin in the woods and taking it to a lab, you’ll have your answer. 🙂 I spend a lot of time getting exercise now that I am retired.

        The best part about hiking, biking, camping, climbing is the people one meets on the trails.Everyone is so disgustingly healthy! 🙂

        • D.Y.G.

          Oh yes, I went camping once. My brother asked who I was and what I had done with his sister. You must do your outdoorsy recreation different than we do. It usually involves copious amounts of beer (and sometimes untaxed grain alcohol), so yeah, healthy is not a consideration.

        • 1subgenius

          I like camping. Its intense.

          Sometimes getting there is the fun.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w56zrptyHfw

    • kemist

      OMG, how I miss camping, and trails and climbing.

      It’s a bit difficult to do when your tolerance to exercise is diminished by the beta blockers you take for POTS and you’ve got that annoying sun allergy that means you’ll spend the whole night scratching yourself like craaaazeee after your day in the sun.

      Perhaps I’ll give it a couple nights try anyway this year and see.

    • Sherbet

      You’re breakin’ my heart, DamO. I’ve got a view of a vacant lot and chain link fencing.

      • kemist

        I’ve got no view.

        There is no window in my office.

        • Sherbet

          That’s what pretty computer wallpaper is for. I’ve got Hawaii. Much nicer than the reality of my window view.

          • kemist

            I’ve got rice paddies.

            But the campus outside would be a nice view with trees and all if I had a window.

            • Sherbet

              Now, if it were DM who was lacking a window, dammit!, he’d get the finest window money could buy! And probably overnight!

            • kemist

              Gold plated !!

              And it better be sunny when he looks out of it, or someone is going to the RPF.

            • Sherbet

              Amen! “Postulate sunshine, you CSers!”

            • Observer

              And it would be bulletproof!

            • Sherbet

              Too bad it would never be bullshit-proof. It just keeps flowing and flowing from the inside out.

            • I found another bizarre use of “insouciant” at 6:17 in Andrea Doven’s loony course “win” speech. Why do they love and misuse this word so?
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p35KH7K8Lig

            • Observer

              I watched that video once and you can’t make me watch it again!

              My guess would be that Ron misused insouciant once or twice and they’re parroting him.

            • Suppressive Meritorius

              Have I told you lately that I really love the ‘whaaaang’?

    • disqus_HCzQeh2ubq

      I agree. She should go to the cops. Overtime enough missing persons reports maybe will get someone’s (who is not paid off by scientology) attention but as a mother for certain I would file a report.

    • 1subgenius

      Nice. Very nice.

  • Observer

    Now seems an appropriate time to repost this link. Scientology put out a fanciful, worshipful truth-challenged “biographical” series about L. Ron Hubbard, so I did my own Truth About Ron Series, in which I let Ron’s words speak for him. (I’m still working on it sporadically.)

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/104455089@N03/sets/72157636953735865/

    • Narapoid

      Wonderful work Obs.

      • Observer

        Thanks!

        • joan nieman

          Thank you for the extra tidbit Obs!

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      brilliant!

  • Elaine Rogers-Scheno

    Its unfortunate for all involved that L. Ron Hubbards Book Dianetics did not remain what it should have been which is nothing more than a Science fiction book. its amazing to me how he was able to go as far as he has with such bullshit. Just unthinkable, People are tortured in there and brainwashed, its like Nazi Germany unless your the ppl forking over the millions of dollars that keep them in BUSINESS. The rich and powerful will always have a different set of rules than the average joe. Eyes wide open Always.

  • villagedianne

    Check out this food item on Tony’s What the Hell link. This is for people who want to shit gold:
    http://www.thehouseofsolidgold.com/chocolate-truffles-with-24k-gold-4-pieces/

    • NOLAGirl

      They can wash it down with this: (F5)

    • Sejanus

      Well everything I say is a gem.
      I have pearls of wisdom.
      My friends make me rich beyond words.

      I think I will pass on making some guy at the sewage treatment plant rich. lol

    • kemist

      Who said you need to be smart to make money ?

    • midatlanticcoast

      What a deal! Eighty dollars for 4 pieces of (probably crappy) candy. Anyone who actually buys this crap definitely has more money than sense.

  • villagedianne

    I wonder if the father was put up to this. In other words did someone at the Org encourage, or require, him to bring in his daughter for indoctrination and recruitment? Did he face some kind of bad consequence if he failed to bring her in?

    Or did he do this totally on his own initiative?

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      Wouldn’t surprise me. What won’t they do for more slave labour?

    • Semper Phi

      Yes, I do not doubt that this father was encouraged to make his daughter available for recruitment and would have faced bad consequences if he had resisted.

      The way I saw it work at Flag was that the recruiters (beautiful, young, articulate, and “cool”) would start chatting with the kids around the org, during course room breaks or in the café. Then they’d invite the kids to the recruiting office to see videos and other materials. (The office, BTW, was located exactly in front of the elevators and stairs, so everyone had to pass by on their way to and from course. That was in the old training building, but I expect they are just as unavoidable in the SP Building.) For the most part, it didn’t seem like the parents were much involved until the pressure was being heavily applied to the kids, or until the kids announced their decision to join. I knew some parents who privately expressed misgivings about it, but they clearly had felt like they couldn’t resist — or shouldn’t want to, as good Scientologists. Then, of course, there are the parents who willingly and happily surrender their children, for whom I have little sympathy and then only for the depth of their captivity to the evil.

  • Science Doc

    I just looked at Ron’s transcripts on one of Observers shoops. We always repeat that Ron failed nuclear physics. He actually failed atomic and molecular physics. Different subject. He didn’t even take a course in nuclear physics and would not have the prerequisites or mathematical background.

    • Espiando

      That’s true. My final year was quantum mechanics, solid state (which is the “on steroids” version of atomic and molecular physics), and nuclear physics.

      I passed all of those classes, all of you KSW-sucking, All About Radiation-reading, Purif-clears-up-radiation-messes Indies. So bow before my superior-to-Hubtard knowledge and start sucking my dick.

      • Science Doc

        I don’t know what pisses me off more, the crap about radiation or the crap about drugs and toxins stored in fat until purified.

        • NOLAGirl

          Can we call it even? They’re both stupid as hell.

  • Jgg2012

    As to the House of Solid Gold, I can see Davey buying 1,000 of them.

  • IASREG

    I can’t even imagine how the mother must feel. Hopefully her daughter will realize the insanity of Scientology and escape in a short time.

    Some of you have been commenting over at a 3NewsNZ David Farrier. Comments are now going to moderation. In response to a common scientology ‘nazi’ talking point, specifically that Tony Ortega Underground Bunker are like Nazis, I posted this comment and another similar comment that went to mediation and probably will not be posted.

    Here is the comment I responded to…

    • IASREG

      My response was about how offensive the scientology ‘nazi’ talking point is when considering the scientology attacks on holocaust survivor Paulette Cooper and the scientology revisionist holocaust history that psychiatry caused the holocaust. Sad that a ‘news’ site would censor such comments.

      • Observer

        May Farrier soon sink back into his well-deserved obscurity.

        • NOLAGirl

          I saw this earlier this morning on Twitter. I didn’t click on it. I’m sorry I gave him the click I did for the original story.

          • Observer

            Me too.

          • Observer

            Far from being simply uneducated about Scientology, as so many still are, he is a gleeful apologist for it as he remains willfully ignorant about it. That is inexcusable.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              I’m sorry I dignified his bullbaiting post with a click, but at least I got quite a laugh out of his puerile posting of Donna’s e-mail as if it completely vindicated him and settled the matter altogether.

              He sure showed us!

              Pfft, idjit.

        • IASREG

          Agree. I will now Red-X another round of scientology fraud to vent!

    • Espiando

      Anybody check Marizio Pierotti against the Completions Database?

      • kemist

        I’m not finding anything under that name.

        • Espiando

          Then Maurizio is almost certainly a sock for Marco the Goat-Fucker. Let’s file that one away in case he comes here.

    • Captain Howdy

      The obscenity filter at 3newsNZ is ridiculously sensitive. I had one comment censored because of the word ‘ass’ and another because originally I had written ‘your mother sucks cocks in hell” and when that was rejected I changed it to “your mother swallows hotdogs in hell” and that was rejected also.

      • IASREG

        My posts were totally g-rated, only pointing out operations dynamite and freakout against Paulette Cooper and the revisionist holocaust history. I guess those topics are not allowed there!

    • Sherbet

      I haven’t seen your reply, so this may be redundant. Asking “tony ortega’s fans” is rather like asking the Jews what they think about the Nazis, not the other way around. Oh, those poor, poor, persecuted scientologists being verbally attacked by Bunkerites… Not that I’m equating being a Bunkerite with being a Jew during the horrors of WWII, but cos has the persecution on the wrong foot.

    • Mooser

      I guess the Nazis rate a capital letter, but not the “jews” (sic)?

      • IASREG

        The Psychs probably did it.

  • And I’m Cute, Too

    Relationships. Marriages. Families. Young minds. Young dreams. Young lives.

    Scientology — is there anything it can’t destroy?

    Down with the Cult.

  • Eileen

    I was just scanning Boston Craig’s List. It looks like many of the ads are down, I am hoping that the complaints I sent yesterday to Craig’s list attaching Aeger Primo’s screen shot worked. I also sent a copy to the Craig’s list Foundation, because one of their missions is to prevent consumer fraud.
    Eileen

  • Hingle McCringleberry

    Oh Snap!! New Tech Discovery!! Febreeze Shoplifter Handling Process. OT to the Max!!!! (The language is NSFW in the best possible way.) Get ready for Spiritual Enlightenment:

    http://youtu.be/Pi9ruVd5Vc8

  • Erica

    Oh boy this one leaves me with a heavy heart. I can only hope that after her escape from scientology she uses this experience to be another voice for the vulnerable, and use her new found strength to help guide her Future. I I believe this can have a happy ending, but the suffering of her loved ones in the meantime is so unfair. I am grateful to all the victims who speak up about their experiences, I am teaching my precious boys at a very young age about what it means to think independent, and listen to your inner voice. And specifically about how innocent people are targeted and trapped by theses users.

    • jane456

      When I finally was able to unravel the cult “infection” from my brain, I
      told myself this: IF something is valid and authentic it will withstand
      questioning and criticism. This may seem pretty obvious, but it was
      very dangerous thinking to a fully bran washed cultie. It was terrifying
      to me at the time to allow this thought into my brain. I think of it
      like the movie Alien sometimes. All these tentacles are literally
      wrapped around your nervous system. Prevention and education are the
      best options. Bless you for teaching your children critical thinking.

  • Pierrot

    RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X

    OBSTRUCT / PREVENT / RED X Co$ nefarious advertising

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-89#post-2461374

    Ty AP

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Radar online has an article with Nicole talking about her marriage to Tom:

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/08/nicole-kidman-tom-cruise-divorce-happy-now/

    Not very in depth, but interesting. Edit to add: Sorry, that is so last year. it was on the CNN.COM page in their “from around the web” section as a link and I thought it was new.

  • aurora50

    ‘The House of
    Solid Gold’s CEO, Mr. Power, announced recently his elation about
    working closely with The Way to Happiness Foundation International, a
    global non-profit, non-religious charitable organization whose sole
    mission is to reverse the moral decay of society by restoring trust and
    honesty the world over through the publication and widespread
    distribution of “The Way to Happiness” booklet, a common sense guide to
    better living. The majority, 90% or more, of the proceeds from the sale
    of this golden bicycle will go directly to this global organization.’

    …by selling Midas-type objects to those with more money than sense!

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Miscavige is missing out on an opportunity, here. Instead of trophies and certificates, rolling golden bikes onstage could be the next big thing at the IAS gala. (lol, typoed “gaga”)

    • ze moo

      Powers is probably ‘donating’ his 1 milliion bike (actually according to the site only 900k is going to the clams) while he keeps only 100k for his troubles. Nice tax scam isn’t it?

  • aquaclara

    HOW DARE THEY? How dare they take someone’s daughter away, ripping her away from her family.
    All that glitters is not gold….well, a lot of times it’s just glitter and spray paint.
    And for people who shrug off the tactics of Scientology, like that bast*d David Farrier, well, all that stinks is sometimes really shit.
    There are kids here. Cadet org, EPF, kid’s RPF, kids raised by themselves or ignored by their parents for years.
    Kids scraping gum off sidewalks.
    Kids quitting college and unable to talk to their parents, cut off from all of life except that which involves menial church labor.
    How dare they?

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s not a matter of daring to steal one’s life. Entrapping the unwary is a part of the Co$ DNA.

      • Dancing Cranberry

        Yes, its the common theme running through the CL ads.

  • 0tessa

    As a mother you cannot do much. Accepting it, hoping that some contact will be possible, hoping some day your child will see the light and comes back to you. It feels like really loosing your child. It is an extremely cruel way to loose a child.
    I hope this mother gets all the support from her other family members. She will need it.

  • media_lush

    minor gossip sites jumping on [lame ass] scion stories http://www.bustle.com/articles/26867-is-oitnbs-laura-prepon-actually-a-scientologist-lets-hope-couch-jumping-isnt-in-her-future … pretty sure they’ve paid attention to the comments from the major ones

    … ‘spose it’s all good in the grand scheme of things

    • PRenaud

      So why do they lie about it????

  • Science Doc

    There is an old saying in academia: for someone to move there has to be both a push and a pull. It usually is invoked when a faculty member with a lot of grants and awards is considering an offer from another place. So, if someone offers you a big raise and and a lot of new lab stuff PLUS you’ve just had a big blow out with your department chair, there is a good chance you’re going to move.

    In the case of this student something almost certainly went wrong in her first and only semester in college. Oregon is a fine place. It’s OK academically, and with a very good football program it probably has a decent fall party and social scene. The photos depict Sami as attractive and athletic. I’m not too far out on a limb if I say something or several somethings happened in short order that made her receptive to a very hard and quick radical shift.

    Some of the things I have often seen come up include the following, some of which can be causes and some are symptoms or parts of a downward spiral. Academic problems: not everyone is meant to go to medical school, and the shock of the first semester of the premed curriculum can make some students question their identities. Most premeds in a place like Oregon got straight As in high school with little studying. For such a student failing their first Bio or Chem class can be too much for them. This happens a lot, some students make adjustments and recover, some change to a different career goal, and some quietly go off the rails. Sexual assault and/or the hook up culture: This is a big national scandal right now. Getting blotto and having casual sex doesn’t work for a lot of 18 year olds. Sometimes it’s not entirely consensual.

    • Science Doc

      Continued. Early adulthood, late adolescence onset mental illness: There are a lot of these. I don’t see any evidence in this case, but being in the Sea Org would be the worst possible outcome.

      Mom should see what Oregon will tell her and find out what she can from roommates etc. Even when blows, she is likely to have some kind of underlying problem that will need support.

      • Missionary Kid

        Very good commentary. I had to make a real adjustment when I started college. I’d done enough outside reading and had gotten involved with ham radio, so I barely had to study in high school. Hitting the U was a different story. I had no study discipline.

        • Once_Born

          I started University at the immature age of 47 and met a number of young people there who just could not cope with the expectations placed upon them… yet.

          Scientology can promise such people an easier route to ‘success’ – and is also prepared to relieve them of the troublesome burden of their free will.

          It might appear to be an attractive option. At the time.

          • Missionary Kid

            I was also an immature 17. If I didn’t go to college, I’d soon be subjected to the draft for what was escalating to Vietnam.

            As it was, because I lived with my sister in a more upscale neighborhood, because there were more college students, the pressure to stay in was higher. Eventually, I enlisted in a special program after completing over 2 years of college.

            After I got out of the service, college was not as much of a challenge, because I competed against college graduates in academics in the service, and was in the top 10% in the studies they had us doing, and I realized that I could compete with them if I applied myself.

            BTW, I had free classes on how to study both in college and in the service. Hubbard’s system sucks. Word clearing is fucking medieval.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      I agree. The transition between high school and college can be brutal, even more so when far away from home. Add to that second-guessing career paths, it’s no wonder cults hover college campuses.

  • media_lush

    oh dear….

    “UPDATED: The female-fueled film benefited from special fan screenings and easily beat Tom Cruise’s “Edge of Tomorrow,” which took in $1.8 million as it began rolling out Thursday night.”

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-fault-stars-dazzles-709855

    • Observer

      It may not last, but for now I will savor every delicious moment.

    • Jonathan Cummings

      Tom’s new movie has 85% positive reviews by major critics and 89% positive score by the people who have paid to see the movie so far according to Rotten Tomatoes. If the movie underperforms, I would have to assume it was because people are sick of Tom and his crazy space alien cult ties. However, it is way too early to tell how this movie will do over the long hall. I predict a big hit because the consensus seems to be it is a good film. Tom has been smart of late as he has been keeping his mouth shut about the illegal business masquerading as a church of which he is a member. I just wish he realized that his best friend, Davey Boy is a psychopath and that his religion is a pyramid scheme/scam based on made up crap from a proven liar LRH, who was himself taking the drugs he preached against. Just read the Coroner’s report!

      • aegerprimo

        I’ve been wondering for a while if Tom gave DM the use of his private jet for the Ideal Org opening in Sydney (May 3 & 4). If so, Tom is still contributing big time to the Co$ and DM’s lavish lifestyle even though he’s been keeping his mouth shut lately.

  • Richard Lloyd-Roberts

    I think an ex insider viewpoint might help educate some of you as to what happens to people in recruit cycles and then the EPF and onto staff.

    To make a fairly long story short with regards to recruit cycles the Sea Org has male and female teams of recruiters. They post young good looking staff members to recruit the opposite sex. The SO are no longer interested in old timers and older people that have their own minds or any kind of self determinism. To hard to manipulate. So these recruiters hammer and hammer away at young gullible and impressionable kids and play the guilt trip over and over. Phrases like, “you want to help mankind” “your game is’t big enough”, “you are really able and you can use that to your advantage in the SO” etc.

    There are so many its impossible to list but every button is found and pushed and pushed until the person caves in. If you sign to get rid of them you are then punished with ethics, chased down and threatened with expulsion, on and on and on until you break. I have first hand experience of this from both sides of the coin. Inside the SO and as a recruit. Its hard to get staff to join so they stop at nothing if they think they can get you.

    If relatives or anyone interferes with the cycle then they are threatened with declares, ethics handlings, special auditing at YOUR expense to find out your Counter intention or “crimes” against Scientology and the Sea Org.
    Getting a sea org member on board is a para military operation and no one gets in the way. Period.

    I remember while at AOLA there was a rumor that someones parent was against her daughter coming into the SO. A team of auditors, recruiters, ethics officers security staff and any other person that was in any way connected was set on them to either handle the parents or get them off the line.

    Once onboard and in the training section (EPF) you are isolated and do three things only. Lots of heavy manual labor to get you to be able to “confront” your environment, training on specialized Sea Org Courses to indoctrinate you to Sea Org life, eat and sleep (sleep if you are lucky). There is no outside contact with anyone until you are through. This means NO outside contact to distract a person from becoming a robot Sea org Member. Given the last few years I can imagine its only worse that it used to be.

    In case anyone has any doubts about this let me reiterate this point. The Estates Project Force is the same league as joining the Taliban. You are in and swim or die in the process. Brainwashing and compliance is the order of the day. You cannot know this until you have done it.

    Once done with the EPF process you don’t have time to think. You are routed right to your post and given a massive amount of work to handle. This is designed to stop you thinking and overwhelm you. Real purpose is to stop you leaving and realizing where the fuck you now are.

    The system that has been created is tried and tested and designed to make sure no one stops to look up an smell the roses. Once on post you are locked in and getting out is like escaping a Nazi prison camp.

    I lived this hell and there is no exaggeration in my words. My time was in 2001/3 and since then with so many escaping and leaving the SO things have to be way worse.

    • villagedianne

      Thank you for your feedback. Every little bit helps.

    • Narapoid

      “your game is’t big enough” yeah

    • aegerprimo

      Thank you for your story Richard. I Iived in Sea Org hell 1985-88. I was a young college student when I joined. The recruitment was not as forceful as yours, and other stories I have heard about (like Derek Bloch being locked in a windowless room for hours), but instead was A LOT of love bombing. I would be at the Org, on course or auditing, and it would seem like the recruiter was always around the corner to pounce on me with love bombing and guilt trips. The exact phrases you state were used to make me feel inadequate as a human being… “you want to help mankind” “your game isn’t big enough”, “you are really able and you can use that to your advantage in the SO”

      Tony’s story today makes me angry. This girl went from pre-med to Sea Org! Somehow they convinced her that she would do more good for mankind as a Sea Org member then as a doctor.

  • CJTX

    I know this is completely missing the point of this piece (which is of course very sad), but as someone who’s never been in, what does the “ARC” salutation at the end of these emails stand for? Just curious.

    • Once_Born
      • CJTX

        Thank you, that’s really interesting. What’s odd is that seems to violate a very useful principle someone taught me long ago. “You can have it good, fast, or cheap – but not all three.” I.e. If you want it good and fast, it ain’t gonna be cheap. If you want it fast and cheap, it’s aint gonna be good. Thanks again for the info.

        • You expect to get two out three? Optimist!

        • Once_Born

          As another ‘never in’ I have to say that understanding ambiguity and compromise is a handicap when you are trying to comprehendScientology.

          Hubbard’s doctrines typically resort to absolutes and black and white thinking.

          • Missionary Kid

            Not much white.

          • CJTX

            Perhaps that ^ is why this recruiting can be so alluring? Life is full of ambiguity and compromise – which can be confusing, challenging, even terrifying. Maybe that black and white thinking seems enviable to some part of our brains. I dunno – but an interesting observation Once_Born.

  • Guest

    LOL at: “Yes, even as Scientology is dwindling and splitting apart,”
    A honest reality check is needed on this blog!

    • Once_Born

      Who shall I make it out to?

    • Science Doc

      I haven’t seen it splitting apart so much. Just dwindling. You’ll either be out or alone in two years. Mark it on your calendar.

      • Missionary Kid

        Don’t feed the troll, per, I believe, Tony’s request.

        • Science Doc

          Yea. I thought he was just arguing a little but he’s officially a troll and I’m off to make a comment about the stock market instead.

          • Missionary Kid

            Obs is handling him right with a big dose of entheta with her Ron series “Father of Lies.” He won’t respond to them, I believe.

            The line, “You can’t handle the truth!” really applies to $cientologists, doesn’t it?

            • Science Doc

              Yes it does, but no one melts down like Jack Nicholson.

            • Observer

              I dunno, none of us have seen Captain Miscavige melt down. I bet he outdoes Jack.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          Troll is right; they are not splitting apart. What’s left of scientology is like a collapsing star before its ultimate super nova explosion. The final destructive gravitational pull makes it appear like everyone is getting on the same page. Then… KABLOOIE!!

          • Missionary Kid

            They’re like a starving agricultural community that is eating their seed stock.

            • Science Doc

              They’ve moved on to eating their children. Donner, Donner, party of five, party of four, party of three, party of two, Donner party. Your table is ready. Never mind.

            • Missionary Kid

              DAMMIT! I was drinking something and damn near choked because I was trying to keep from spewing on my keyboard. Good one!

          • Mark

            I see it more as a perished and leaky whoopee-cushion.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Oh poop to you for farting on my cosmos.

            • Mark

              By which I assume you altogether discountenance the Cosmic Fart Theory?

            • ze moo

              Does it matter if cosmic inflation came from antigravity or methane laden farts?

            • Mark

              If the maxim “whoever denied it supplied it” holds any water – or gas in the present case – it may well do…

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Empirical evidence shows that it can be attributed to my dog. We’re still here, therefore yes.

            • Mark

              I thought it was my cat – though Hinterstoisser’s conjecture of an antecedent Infinitely Compressed Baked Bean is not without its adherents (Frau Hinterstoisser and all the little Hinterstoissers to be exact).

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Busted. I admit, sometimes I blame her, but it was me.

            • Mark

              There’s a lesson there for us all – be very careful about pumpernickel-and-cold-pork sandwiches.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Figures. Pumpernickel was made, created and intended only to be eaten with smoked salmon.

              Lesson learned, young man.

            • Once_Born

              I studied extensively under Professor Krakatoa Flange, at the Vienna School of Sterile Blackhead Popping.

              Herr Professor conclusively established the presence of micro chronosyclasic infindibula at the heart of each and every baked Leguminosae, which allow gaseous emanations to infiltrate from alternative realities (or furzgesamtheit).

              Personally, though, I always blamed his dachshund.

            • Mark

              Rumours persist in certain European senior common-rooms that Prof. Flange permitted himself to be over-persuaded by the dietary blandishments of Dr. Strabismus of Utrecht (inventor of the Electro-Psychotimeter); it was never a wise move to share currywurst and sauerkraut with poor Erwin the dachshund, which led the professor up the cul de sac of the “Rüpserkonjektur” for some years.

            • Once_Born

              Way off-topic, but, if you are still interested in the calamity that is Plymouth ‘Ideal Org’ there are some high-res images (which I took today) at http://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/06/06/plymouth-uk-ideal-org-a-reality-check-in-bricks-and-mortar/

            • Mark

              Thanks! Now I can see the plant in the downspout’s a buddleia – maybe it’ll attract some butterflies to cheer this sad place up.

            • Once_Born

              Perhaps we could offer them a shrubbery…

            • grundoon

              Once_Born witnesses a lively scene of expansion at the Plymouth (UK) Ideal Org… http://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/06/06/plymouth-uk-ideal-org-a-reality-check-in-bricks-and-mortar/

              While taking picture of this area, I wandered up the lane behind the building – towards the sound of a lively conversation between a number of people. In a recessed loading bay (about 12 x 15 feet) there were a group of seven homeless men, passing around a big bottle of rough cider. They have, apparently, been drinking (and possibly sleeping) in this out-of-the-way place for months. In all that time, they have never been disturbed, nor seen a single person enter the building.

        • Guest

          Yeah, lick his ass! That is what Tony expects from you.

          • Troy MacGyver SP

            Poor guy probably never had your ass eaten properly. How’s that getting rich as you skip up the bridge working for yah? Remember your body is just a vessel so swallow as many DNA shakes as you can on , Hollywood Blvd. Seems to be an obsession w/ your tiny, hitler. How was your last two week vacation clearing the shit out of the open sewage plant at, St. Hill or The Hole. Oh and give my love to ,Heber. Oh and had any fried , Moxon lately? I’m sure they stretched a buck or two putting her in your holiday stew.

          • Missionary Kid

            So, where are the documents to prove your assertions that lrh isn’t a convicted thief, a liar, a bigamist, and a con man? There are plenty of documents that are from his private records and obtained by use of the FOIA that illustrate it. What about the supposed war hero’s creation of an international incident by shelling a Mexican island? What about his request to the VA to increase his disability pension after he had claimed that Dianetics had cured all of his ills? He never returned the money or asked them to stop paying him.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              MK, don’t feed, remember?

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re right, but he responded directly to me, and when entheta is the main part of the post, Kool-Aid drinking clams never respond to it. I sincerely doubt he’ll respond with any dox, because they’d be demonstrably false. Oh, wait, mendacity is a sacrament in $cientology.

            • kemist

              It’s been a long time since we had a live one, and you’ve got to admit that this one is particularly funny.

              It seems that they still can’t resist the lure of a disconnection story. I really don’t understand WTF they gain from driving the comment counts up on these particular posts.

              Not good press, that’s for certain.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              I sometimes wonder if The Bunker entheta is so bad that it has been deemed off limits even to OSA minions. Only the George Baillie and John Allender OTVIII types are deemed “fit” for the fight.

              It would explain a lot.

            • Science Doc

              Angry, uninformed, and socially isolated do not an effective troll make. I suggest we take up a collection and buy him lunch and a bus ticket home.

            • Guest

              “So, where are the documents to prove your assertions that lrh isn’t a convicted thief, a liar, a bigamist, and a con man?”
              The burden of proof is on the accuser, you asshole.Show me the documents that prove lrh was a thief and a con man! Anons are getting sick to stand buy those lies!
              We just found out that 2008 TC video was NOT taken down by the cult as you Scn’s critics let (FOOL) us to think so!

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              I’m fucking PROUD of the Canadiens this year.

              There. I said it.

            • lucille austero

              Perhaps if one day you master the english language, people will understand what you mean. Until then…..

            • kemist

              Dude, you are HI-LA-RIOUS !!!

              You are an anon nao.

              But you don’t know “who” OSA is !!!!

              Please, please, tell me you’re a Poe.

              No way someone could be that stupid.

            • Observer

              Oh, thank Xenu! I thought I was hallucinating as I read that post!

            • Missionary Kid

              I refer you to Lawrence Wright’s Going Clear, Russel Miller’s Barefaced Messiah for starters. Both are available from Amazon and are currently in print. Of course, since it’s entheta to you, you wouldn’t read about Ronny’s war record at xenu.net, as well as other dox that were obtained under the FOIA.

            • Observer

              Now that I’ve recovered from my gobsmackedness, the last sentence of that post appears to be an extremely clumsy attempt to start some Anon vs. Critic hostilities.

            • Science Doc

              Yes. And I Vladimir Putin declare war on Mexico!

            • kemist

              It appears you are right.

              If you go back up you see it has attempted to answer itself with a little-known meme it probably picked up on 4chan (scilons seem to think they can ‘infiltrate’ anon by reading 4chan. Seriously.). Twice. With its own account. It has then tried to erase those weird posts when it realized its mistake. Twice.

              Methinks whoever it was hasn’t had much sleep in the last few days.

              If I remember the OSA directives that were leaked on Mike Rinder’s blog, each lawsuit is worth -30 points for the people ‘in charge’ of the internets. So, with all the suits Hambo is starting, they must be in very low conditions lately.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s the usual bullshit. I don’t care about who put up or took down the TC video. I don’t care who is anon or critic. My eye is on Co$, and whatever truth I can dispense, I’ll do it.

              I usually don’t respond to ad hominem attacks. They don’t do any good.

        • KingofSweden

          maybe he’s just trying to work his way out of lower conditions (Liability?) by trolling the Bunker? Oy.

      • Robert Eckert

        The various Indie sects are the “splitting apart” aspect.

    • kemist

      You really believe that straight up and vertical expension fluff ?

      How cute !!!

      Perhaps you should take a stroll on Mike Rinder’s blog. He’s got many ‘confidential’ emails that might interest you.

      • Observer

        Maybe one of this guy’s followers will be kind enough to provide us with an honest reality check. Oh, wait …

        *refresh*

        • Missionary Kid

          Gee, I’ll bet “guest” doesn’t provide much if any reply to your Ron series. Perfect, Obs. Ya done good.

      • Guest

        Mike Rinder??? LOL
        That guy shows OT committee’s stats as ORG’s stat!!!
        LOL The funny part of it it’s that you guys believe him.

        • kemist

          Nice try, bub.

          The OT minutes, while lulzy, are not the only things he posts.

          Go and see the few last ones about Stupor Power.

    • Sergeant Pepper

      Why should Guest believe a “bitter defrocked apostate”? Never mind that the apostates far outnumber the remaining kool aide drinkers.

    • Captain Howdy

      Marco, were your ears burning and you felt a need to grace us with your presence?

      • Guest

        Well, mister Price, I don’t know who is Marco, but I do know who is Captain Howdy.

        • Captain Howdy

          Close, but no cigar, chumley.

          • Once_Born

            Vincent… is that you? I used to love your films!

            • Observer

              That would explain a few things …

            • NOLAGirl

              It’s getting weird in here Obs, hold me. LOL 🙂

            • D.Y.G.

              me too?

            • Captain Howdy

              Hah!
              ….

            • Mark

              Ah! Vinnie and Vulnavia!

            • Science Doc

              I saw that movie at a drive in in another life.

        • Captain Howdy

          Gee after all these years a scilon is trying to dox me? I gave vaLLarrr more than enough clues to dox me but OSA was too incompetent to even pick up on it.

          Actually it’s probably just Flunk looking for revenge.

          • Guest

            I also don’t know who is ‘OSA”. But i know “who” is Kali L.

            • Captain Howdy

              Now you’re getting cold.

            • Guest

              I don’t think so, ask your anons hackers who is “kali”!

            • Captain Howdy

              Last I heard she was the goddess of death and the rest of it is gibberish to me.

            • Observer

              You have hackers? Jelly.

            • Captain Howdy

              No, it seems they were referring to a hacker program called kali linux which I suppose they’re inferring they’re using.

            • Observer

              Now I’m just disappointed.

            • kemist

              So are we supposed to be scared and send our body thetans on tiny invisible escape pods or something ?

              (Note to any scilon stupid enough to try and utilize tools like kali Linux to attempt penetration of a server that is not yours : this can send you to jail for a very, very long time, and no amount of cries of religious freedom will save your stupid ass. )

            • Captain Howdy

              The thing of it is that the “mr price” reference is part of a name I’ve used on the net. And I find it strangely coincidental that the day after I trolled the NZ douche that this comes up. Hmmm, who would have my IP address to get even this far in a process? Maybe David Farrier? Oh yeah, he would definitely have it and be able to pass it on.

            • kemist

              That would have been easier than hacking his server, which his employers would definitely not have appreciated.

            • Once_Born
            • Captain Howdy

              Oh, so I gather you mean kali linux eh? That’s nice. Give it your best shot dude.

            • Once_Born

              It always struck me as naive to assume people who designed an operating system for ‘security penetration’ would be able to resist the temptation to install a few back doors of their own.

            • kemist

              You never go wrong by betting on the greedy & stupid combination.

              People who are not able to modify and compile their own kernel should stay from such tools, but you’ll always find idiots who’ll use them without understanding what they do.

              They deserve whatever the author of the tools will do to them for the lulz.

            • Guest

              Uh huh….

            • Espiando

              So, bitch, if Kali Linux is so good at “penetrating”, then dox me like I asked you to. Certainly someone as super-powerful as you should be able to do that.

              DO IT FAGGOT

            • Observer

              Go downthread a little ways (if you’re sorting by newest), in the thread starting with Science Doc’s post “I haven’t seen it splitting apart so much” and you’ll see where Guest claims to be–wait for it–an Anon!

            • Espiando

              Which is why I used Anon’s standard response to any dare in my post.

            • kemist

              It is threatening to dox us since about 3 hours.

              I wonder what’s taking so long. Perhaps it is looking for drivers for its kali install.

              Or maybe it is word-clearing the man pages of the networking tools.

            • Espiando

              He should just go fsck himself.

            • Marcabian Fleet Commander

              Yup….

            • Espiando

              Okay, bitch, do me. I should be easy as hell.

            • Minion Gayle

              Wait, you’re a Scientologist and you don’t know who the OSA are? Oooh, I hope you enjoy the RPF when they find that out.

          • Minion Gayle

            OMG, you’re famous among the clams. Can I have your autograph?

        • Minion Gayle

          Is it Thursday again already? I have cupcakes to bake if it is.

    • Once_Born

      Perhaps you could provide us with a example of Scientology’s expansion which can be independently verified.

      • Guest

        Of course..your “screaming says all.

        • Robert Eckert

          A calm statement does not constitute “screaming”. Are you always this detached from reality?

        • kemist

          You guys are funny.

          Sad, but funny.

          FYI, those are screams of laughter you’re hearing.

          • Observer

            I think he or she is confusing you with someone else.

        • Once_Born

          Is that a “no”?

          • kemist

            I don’t know, but it ain’t dox, and it is hilarious.

            If that’s the best they can send to handle this place, they must be scraping the bottom of the barrel.

            • MrsLurksALot

              Trolls be trolling. Bottom of the barrel, indeed.

          • Observer
            • Sarah James

              Yep, that’s just how they sound.:-)

            • Observer

              I wonder if the kid who posted it has noticed the spike in views?

            • Sarah James

              I hope he has, I have laughed over this several x’s.

          • Sarah James

            Hate to admit, I read OSAbot. Yes, that was a no.

        • Espiando

          Oh, are you going by LolRH’s old line about SPs screaming louder as Scientology gains wins? Please, that sebaceous cyst with an autonomic nervous system never said a word of truth in his life.

          • Once_Born

            Is that what he meant? Thank you.

            A Scientologist mindset is very insular, isn’t it? I had no idea what the reference to “screaming” was supposed to mean. I suppose I wasn’t supposed to – in fact it was probably a ‘clever’ reference that was supposed to make me appear ignorant.

            It seems that the idea behind posting here has nothing to do with changing the mind of another person, more to do with demonstrating loyalty to your ‘supervisors’.

            • kemist

              That’s how I understood it a first reading.

              I didn’t know what that fact means considering I’ve never been in that crazee kult, but I’m scared nao.

            • NOLAGirl

              I’m sure his supervisor is giving him a liver snap and patting him on the head for “handling those SP’s” right now.

            • Once_Born

              I once bought a dried bull’s ear for my friend’s dog. She went crazy (the dog, not the friend). Humans can also have great fun with them, doing Spock impressions.

            • Marcabian Fleet Commander

              OP must be a very speshul li’l clam indeed, to have OSA’s blessing to visit a nasty entheta site like this one bestowed upon them. Very speshul indeed…..

        • Marcabian Fleet Commander

          Speaking of screaming, I’d imagine the area around the office of the despotic dwarf is quite noisy indeed. How many lawsuits are there currently pending against the Co$ and it’s various entities? The number seems to be growing on a daily basis. Your little cult is in trouble, even with it’s army of high-priced shyster lawyers.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Honest reality check required by JJ and his lying cohorts.
    Dishonest, unethical ads using bait and switch are against CL policy as is spam.
    The “most ethical people on the planet” need shooing off to a septic tank somewhere,
    their natural habitat:

    Main list:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-89#post-2461375
    New blues from Dolly and Pierrot here:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-89#post-2461474

  • Guestlurker

    Tried to get a full picture by researching and throwing it all on to a time line. Interesting, could find no records before 1999 for Chuck, Megan or Nikki (Nicole). Question: was Chuck or his two daughters from previous marriage working at a scientology org in the past? You can find course and auditing records by searching The Truth about Scientology (dot) co and then Chuck or Mary Jane or Megan or Nicole Stern. Question: Mary Jae did Freedwinds OT Bridge Consultant (salesmen, fsm) course in 1998. Did she act as FSM for Freewinds or just something to do while on the ship?

    The GAG2 start all over at the bottom plan has poured gas on the pyre of members’ debts and raising more money for your entire family is possible only for the multimillionaire club. Both Chuck and Nikki got kicked down from OT perch around 2002. 2006 Chuck shows up as forking over Patron money. $50,000? then two months later allowed to pass his Clear status again. And no coincidence Chuck endured L11 in 2002 (shows up on Chuck Stern as misspelling), L10 in 2003 and L12 in 2004 and marriage went sour and divorce finalized in same time period.

    Where is the money coming from, Chuck Frank Sterne? Some of the city and township contracts with Arrow Sign Company of Oakland, CA show “Sterne Revocable Trust” or “Chuck F Sterne Revocable Trust”. It has been reported that any new recruits are coming from third world or eastern Europe countries or Trust Fund kids, 2nd and/or 3rd gen scientology families.

    The newest website of Chuck Sterne’s company, Arrow Sign Company, no longer has an “about” tab listing his brother, Doug Sterne, as 25% coowner. Following Chuck’s scientology completion timeline, it appears Doug was legal and financial consultant for the company from August 1998 to March 2002, while still co owner. Assume he sold his stake and moved on to Prod Mgr at Pacific Neon Company From 1970 to 1998, Doug co owner and hands on, pulled the company from debt to $10-12 Million before he left. No record found of Doug being involved with scientology. Question: Is Nicole Sterne now Nicole Salmon? N. Salmon is listed now as Exec Dir of Arrow Sign, (as as well as Principal of a church of scientology) and many of the other execs listed are Scientologists as well. If Doug was the real steward of this company and now being run 100% on Hubbard (mis) management policies, has the company been struggling since? WISE would have to get it’s cut 10%? as well as whatever Scientologist consulting company, additionally materials may be another expense. Another question: Does Chuck make signs for scientology organizations or is this still strictly Pubs or Gold domain only?

    Did Mary Jane perform a background check on this guy before marriage, including financial picture? Was there a prenup and what arrangements, if any, were made under contract regarding responsibility for Stephanie’s college fund and expenses? If she was working toward becoming a psychiatrist, would this not have dire consequences for Chuck and Nikki and Megan, taking away serious money from their scientology expenses as well as all three having to disconnect from the their stepchildren / stepsisters, not just Mary Jane? Inclusive, professional background checks might be a good investment at this time of desperate for cash for all scientologists. One last item. Found this Sacramento Magazine 2005 article that might give a clue about the pressure of being a scientologist family teenager, although this is about Mary Jane and Brittany, not Stephanie.

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/doug-sterne/64/75b/803

    http://www.mylife.com/nicolesalmon

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/nicole-salmon/11/549/b1

    http://www.sacmag.com/Sacramento-Magazine/May-2005/Get-Real/

    • D.Y.G.

      Ok, so I find it a bit odd you researched all that. It seems unnecessarily intrusive.

      • Sejanus

        Ya..almost worthy of OSA.
        Not impressed.

        • D.Y.G.

          I’m still scratching my head. Prenup? Background check? Some things are just none of yo business. Why is that important?

          • Troy MacGyver SP

            Thought we were trying to find her for her mother. But I guess we should just put her on a shelf w/,Shelly,Heber etc..and all of the other’s that seem to just go missing in this dangerous cult!

        • NOLAGirl

          It’s impressive investigation. Just doesn’t seem necessary.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      insightful reporting, took some time. Had,John P wrote it you’d all be gushing with praise!

  • Science Doc

    I don’t think this is quite straight up and vertical, but it’s not bad for a week in June. The Dow went up 1.25% this week and the NASDAQ went up 1.83%. To be fair the market had been a little flat until recently. But, consider the following. If you had a million dollars invested in Scientology, you would have nothing today. Literally nothing. Buy the basics books and schedule your next purif. If you instead had that million dollars invested with a good mutual fund manager you might have made $25,000 this week. Not quite straight up and vertical but an excuse to open one of the good Cabernets tonight.

    • Missionary Kid

      If I may summarize what you wrote, $cientology is a bad investment. To add, not just in money, but time.

    • Just Dee

      I’ve often wondered how much money Capt. Davie makes off the interest on a billion or two?

      • Science Doc

        Can they invest it? There would probably be reporting requirements and capital gains to be reported to the IRS.

        • Troy MacGyver SP

          Yes they can and do. Not sure about a ,”non-profits” profits tax liability.

          • Science Doc

            I think Jeff Augustine has been posting those returns and I don’t remember seeing investment income.

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              Suddenly you think they don’t cook the books which is so very easy for the wealthy! Come on , Amazon has not shown profits neither has twitter. But that doesn’t mean you can’t fly around in a private jet ,”losing money”trying to make it. The airlines , forever have always been good at not making a cent quarter after quarter for years. History shows us that if you have the budget you can sell a camel a toothbrush or star in your own version of history of the world.I could go on forever on this topic but it’s the middle class and the poor that get screwed at tax time. Did you read today about ,The Pope firing his executives today for money laundering?

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              You offset the gains w/ losses. Like lawyers accountants can be very creative. Ask any hedge fund manager or,CEO of any company.

      • Missionary Kid

        It’s probably all offshore.

      • Espiando

        John P says that it’s very likely that the offshore cash isn’t really being invested. It’s being held in negotiables that can easily be swapped for cold, hard cash, and he might actually be paying for the privilege and service. So it might be that Scientology isn’t making money off interest at all. Remember that Davey The Genius Money Manager lost $30M of LolRH’s cash in bad oil investments, so once burned, twice shy, perhaps.

      • Robert Eckert

        JohnP is of the opinion that it is in the kind of accounts which are liquid at a moment’s notice and therefore, quite aside from not earning any interest at all, cost a yearly fee.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          With all due respect, I think Miscavige can afford long term financial planning. Entirely depending on his levels of risk aversion, likely has higher return investments spread over time.

          • Once_Born

            However, Miscavige has no idea how to do this himself (shortly after his ascension to power he made a very bad investment and isn’t likely to risk looking stupid again) and would not trust any professional to even know where the money was, let alone to invest it for him.

            I think his paranoia makes it highly likely that he has money in accounts that actually cost money to maintain, because this way it can be under his complete personal control.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              When it comes to investing, the past does not predict the future.

              We know MIscavige is a mediocre manager/administrator/executive/chairman/pope and anyone’s speculation is as valid is the next.

              What I’m saying is that I strongly suspect that Miscavige is incredibly more vigilant with his personal fortune than he is with the cos’s.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Miscavige is vigilant with both, imo.

              Because of his relationship with the hugest whale Robert Duggan, it begs credulity to not see Miscavige using the smarts of the $cientologist CFO of Duggan’s group, who is a former Investment Banker in Germany and EU. That money – the asthmatic dwarf’s and the C o S’s – is undoubedly earning $ somewhere, somehow. Surely some of it is in totally liquid accounts that earn no interest, too, as noted, but not all of it- that’s not realistic.

              Duggan and his people and Cruise’s investment people are providing investment banking for the dwarf and his C o S money too. Bank on it.

        • Troy MacGyver SP

          A simple savings act. is liquid. He could just transfer it online.

          • Robert Eckert

            If you look at the fine print, a savings account is not actually liquid on demand: they have to give you your money within 30 days, typically. In practice, they give it to you or me immediately, because you and I are only asking to withdraw petty amounts. When it comes to millions of dollars, they are put into Certificates of Deposit which earn interest but are redeemed at some future date, not right this instant if you want the money this instant.

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              I work in finance. Nothing is ,”typical” when it comes to money. CD’s would be an odd choice but you never know. Saving’s acct. are normally liquid like an interest bearing checking acct. We can only speculate.

            • Robert Eckert

              Well I don’t work in finance, but whenever I open a savings account the nice bank person makes sure to explain to me that legally it is not like a checking account and I cannot necessarily be guaranteed of withdrawing whatever amount I want in an instant. JohnP does work in finance and thinks it unlikely that DM would go for interest rather than for instant liquidity.

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              I agree he is probably got his spread all over the planet and a pocketful of special $cion gold coins.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      $cientology is like investing in derivatives, correct me if I am wrong.
      We start with a wholly derivative “philosophy” and then leverage it on some product that no one has ever seen ( though many fondly imagine.)
      The returns are astronomical.

      Tulips, swampland in Florida, salted gold mines in Borneo, pshaw !
      Small change.
      This is the ultimate investment.
      However, there is only one who truly profits.
      His best buddy, Tom Crude, does well in the inurement stakes too.
      All other investors find themselves bled dry, battered and broken.

      Bernie Madoff is still wondering how Hubbard never did jail time despite a 4 year sentence in France and being an unindicted co-conspirator in the US.
      Bernie never did swing the tax-exempt angle, though.
      Hubbard was a better con.

      • Science Doc

        Reid Slatkin got some people good returns until the music stopped.

      • Missionary Kid

        For some reason, I thought that I already had Tom Crude for a nickname. I put it on the list at MISCELANEOUS $CIENTOLOGISTS http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1084224106

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        Bernie didn’t even need the money he had a great broker/dealer business. He actually bought the empty,Cleveland stock exchange and was a visionary in creating aspects of electronic trading. But greed does terrible things to people. I like how on his time at home prior to facing justice Ruth kept blaming,”the gentiles.” When he stole from other Jewish people just like him. Religion sucks! All of it!

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      You would have posted a loss in operating expenses but possible gains if you compiled all of your real estate holdings into a ,REIT. Rice and beans are both up this week.

      • Science Doc

        REITs are out of my league, but I have done well with real estate too.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    In the late 60s to mid-seventies, cults were able to recruit heavily on college campuses because society went haywire, not just because of drugs, but because issues regarding the Vietnam War, assassinations, and civil rights were being kicked to the curb by the popular culture. I think college kids are even more vulnerable today. Add freshman depression and loneliness to trying to understand and live in a society where Hollywood kids become mass murderers while driving BMWs, where there are shootings in schools every other week, and where every girl is expected to look like a Barbie doll, and you have a recipe for disaster. If the church love bombs Sterne, then tells her she will never feel depressed again, and she will save the world if she joins, what else is an 18 year old going to do, especially if her dad encourages her and pays for it.

    I doubt, however, that Sterne will stay very long in the church because she clearly loves her mother. There is going to be a crisis in her life at sometime soon where she is going to want her mother, and David Miscavige (or “Torin”) will never fit that bill.

  • Marcabian Fleet Commander

    I found a list of Chuck Sterne’s course completions. (Apologies if this has been posted before. I’m too lazy to read the whole thread right now.)

    http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/c/chuck-sterne.html

  • Larry

    Ok, off topic again (darn it), but (in the interest of humor), I just can’t believe someone wrote this (below) over on some blog about some writer writing something about scientology.

    Here is what they wrote:

    First some facts: I am a Scientologist. However, I am not allowed to
    read anything bad or negative about Ron or Scientology. I have a friend
    who told me some people were saying bad things about Ron and Scientology
    on the world wide web. So, I devised a brilliant plan, I am writing
    this for my friend to cut and paste on Potential Trouble Source world
    wide web locations. Now here are some more facts (which I know because
    my CS keeps me updated on current affairs and the Scientology Truth)

    #1. Scientology is the fastest growing religion in the world. And has been for 75 years in a row.
    #2. Today we have over 50 million members worldwide (and about 1 million new members join per month).
    #3. Scientology has already ‘Cleared’ 3 continents. (Australia, Canada and Alaska).
    #4. Scientology thru its Narconon program has completely eradicated drug abuse in China and Russia.
    #5. The psychiatry profession is virtually gone in the world. We won. They no longer teach it in colleges.
    #6. Governments all over the world are clamoring for Scientology Technology. Actually they are begging.

    #7. At our current rate of expansion, the entire world be Scientology run by the year 2035. Yes!

    #8. Scientologists have won 7 of the last 8 Nobel Prizes for Science stuff.
    #9. The last 9 World wide Chess Master Champions were Scientologists.

    Ok,
    that should be enough facts about the Scientology religion for now. Go
    down to your local Ideal Org and sign up. Today. That is basically an
    order.

    Much Love and ARC,
    Me OT IX and counting

    Here is the site:http://www.3news.co.nz/Tom-Cruise-Scientology-and-me/tabid/418/articleID/347332/Default.aspx
    Apparently Tony posted this site here at the Underground Bunker previously.

    • D.Y.G.

      Wow, they’re up to 50 million members. 1 million more a month. No more drug abuse in Russia and China!

      Holy shit, Scientology is amazing!!!!

    • Observer

      I have no intention of providing click-whore journalist wannabes with any more clicks by following the link, but that is friggin’ hilarious! And tragic. But mostly hilarious.

      EDIT: if it’s subtle trolling, which seems more likely the more I look at it, then it’s not tragic at all. In fact, it’s downright awe-inspiring.

      P.S. Tony didn’t post it, media_lush did.

      • D.Y.G.

        Larry wrote it in the comments over there. I clicked so you don’t have to.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Well now I feel foolish. I didn’t want to click the link either because that blog annoys me.

          • D.Y.G.

            Curiosity got the better of me. That guy over there might be a click whore but I have a feeling it’s the comments that will keep dragging this out. Those two articles probably have more comments than they’ve had all year. Just say no.

        • Observer

          So that’s what that big whoosh was – everything going right over my head!

    • NOLAGirl

      Those Nobel Prizes for “science stuff” are amazing!!

    • lucille austero

      This cannot be real. It just can’t.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      It’s a parody and it’s quite well done. I chuckled. Even if a real Scientologist believed in even half of that stuff, they wouldn’t claim to be an OT level that hasn’t been released. They take the tech too seriously.

      • Observer

        I interpreted the “OT IX and counting” as they were counting down to OT IX, which many of the few remaining Scientologists believe is actually going to be released.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Looks to me like he’s saying he’s currently running the the OTX level. Shrug. Even for a Scientologist it’s over the top. Global dominance by 2035? But the line that got me was how they’ve won 7 of the 8 Nobel prizes for “science stuff.” Ahhaha

          • Observer

            Well, if a Scilon did fake the Donna letter, which I am 95% convinced is the case, they shouldn’t be surprised to be on the receiving end of something like this. They have no idea how outmatched they are.

    • Marcabian Fleet Commander

      Lawlz….. thanks for the laugh!

    • Science Doc

      With all of that good news you guys are now free t read any part of the Internet. I’ll be yelling at an ashtray if you need me.

    • Science Doc

      Australia, Canada, and Alaska, the three cleared continents, have some of the best cannabis in the world. Quality and quantity. Australian Indica is legendary. Shooting heroin is legal in some parts of Canada. That is perhaps a little too extreme, but it puts smoking pot into perspective. Alaskans may vote for tea baggers, but they are libertarians at heart. Clear? Not so much I think.

      • they might wanna word clear alaska in relation to being a continent too!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      “The next day, I was surprised to see a large volume of comments under the article – 97 at last count.”
      What a lightweight!

  • SNAFU

    What a tragedy. A beautiful and intelligent young woman senselessly seeks to throw away the opportunity of a lifetime in order to become Miscavige’s slave. When you think about how many less fortunate young adults her age would love to have the opprtunity she discarded as a result of being conned, it boggles the mind. And it’s impossible to even begin to fathom the kind of grief and anguish this must be causing her poor mother until you’ve walked a mile in her shoes.

    The more vocal Mary Jane is, along with other courageous SP’s, the less chance there will be for Sami to be sucked into the SeaOrg. At least as a public sci it’ll be far easier for Sami to leave, once she experiences enough of the truth to wake her up. Hopefully that happens sooner rather than later so she can get her life back on track and reunite with her loving family.

  • nottrue

    Samantha’s dad is a whale. He owns arrow sign com. with an annual revenue of 50-100 million a year. So she is being treated real good and lovebombed to the max. It will be very hard to free her.

    • Marcabian Fleet Commander

      Yep. You beat me to it. Here’s their FB page. They’ve got plenty of big name clients. I wonder if maybe Samantha is working there? Not ideal, but better than slaving away at one of the orgs.

      https://www.facebook.com/ArrowSignCompany

      • the temptation was too great….(refresh)

  • Science Doc

    Looks like Sami went to a public high school, a good one, but not what you might expect if Daddy Whale was writing a lot of big checks. The top photo with her lacrosse racket and Eagles jersey plus Sacramento area let you figure it out. The school in question has a good academic record and does well with advanced placement courses. When Nottrue doxed Daddy Whale, I guessed she was probably from a private school. Nope, public. I’m thinking Mom did most of the heavy lifting raising Sami.

    • Minion Gayle

      No St. Francis for her? Definitely better than going to Johnson, though.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I knew I should’ve been a lax bro in high school.

  • Minion Gayle

    Oh, come on, Sac State isn’t that bad!

    • Science Doc

      I like Sacramento State. It’s a good school and the faculty work really hard. Probably not the same category of party school as Oregon.

      • Minion Gayle

        I like Sac State, too. I still have fond memories every time I drive by it.

        Although, I am a little bitter, still, that they didn’t start letting mountain lions on campus until after I graduated.

      • aegerprimo

        WHATEVER! She was going to college, pre-med, and then…. she joined the Sea Org. Does not matter WHAT college. Any is a far cry from the Co$ slave labor force – the Sea Org.

  • KNMF

    “Handled.” “Sorted out.”

    People are objects. Like mail or files.

    • kemist

      They call people “terminals”.

      • aegerprimo

        Yeah. Cult speak. This is a good list of cult words defined – http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_t.htm and a quote of the word TERMINAL –

        Terminal
        A fully hatted (trained) person on their post (job), to which particles (people or paper) can be sent to and from. A dehumanizing term for people, but not a derogatory word inside the cult.