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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Monique Rathbun in court as appeals panel considers proposed David Miscavige deposition

Monique_Rathbun2Monique Rathbun’s harassment lawsuit against the Church of Scientology and its leader, David Miscavige, moves to a new venue today as oral arguments are heard at the Texas Third Court of Appeals in Austin.

We’ll have several observers on hand as the proceedings begin at 1:30 pm, local time. At issue today is Comal County Judge Dib Waldrip’s decision that Monique Rathbun should get to depose Miscavige for jurisdictional reasons (Miscavige is arguing that he shouldn’t be a party to the lawsuit because, he claims, he does no business in Texas and had nothing to do with Scientology’s surveillance of Monique and her husband Marty Rathbun over the last several years).

In December, Waldrip decided that Miscavige could be questioned about his connection to the surveillance of the Rathbuns and his connection to Texas. But Scientology petitioned the Third Court of Appeals for a writ of mandamus, arguing that Waldrip abused his discretion when he made that decision. Monique’s lawyers fired back that Scientology is trying to confuse the court with arguments about religion and free speech, when this is a case about harassment — harassment the Rathbuns believe Miscavige personally oversaw.

Speaking for Scientology will be Wallace Jefferson, who until recently was the chief justice of the Texas Supreme Court. Monique’s response will be given by attorney Leslie Hyman, who has already proved to be an effective litigator against the church’s legal team.

It was Hyman’s arguments that seemed decisive when Judge Waldrip also found for Monique in another recent decision. Waldrip denied Scientology’s ‘anti-SLAPP’ motion, which had taken over the lawsuit for a few months. Now, Scientology has filed a notice that it is also appealing that Waldrip order to the same appeals court. As that notice explains, these appeals essentially stop Monique’s lawsuit in its tracks, and she’ll have to wait for the appeals court to sort things out before we can get back to Waldrip’s courtroom for progress on other issues in the case.

Today, the focus is only on Waldrip’s order that Miscavige could be deposed. We’re told that no recording devices can be taken into the Austin courtroom, but as soon as our observers are back out with their reports to us, we’ll post what they tell us. (No decision will be coming from the appeals court today, but we’ll be interested to hear what sorts of questions the three-judge panel asks.)

 
Meanwhile, in the Luis and Rocio Garcia federal fraud lawsuit against Scientology, the Garcias have filed a renewed motion to amend their original complaint, which they were asked to resubmit by Judge James Whittemore, who also asked them to attach their proposed amended complaint.

 
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Saluting the Chairman of the Board

Karen de la Carriere has put together a fun video about the reverence required of Scientology leader David Miscavige required inside the church.

 

 
And here’s another video: Chris Shelton talks about what you get for your donations in Scientology!

 

 
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  • Observer

    May Wallace Jefferson’s tongue be tied, wits dulled, and brain foggy.

    • 1subgenius

      If they weren’t before, they are now, after attempting to reconcile his client’s positions.
      Trying to understand the reasoning of the insane will do that to you.

    • Just Dee

      Not only are you great with photo shop, your one liners are brilliant!

    • Captain Howdy

      And may the turd of Slappiness fly up his nose.

      • Observer

        Hahaha!

      • mightandglory

        lmao!

    • Juicer77

      How long will it be until his work is considered unsatisfactory to the Lil’ Henchman, and he gets the boot as well? Bets, anyone?

      • NOLAGirl

        Around the time the papers ordering Dave to a deposition arrive.

        I continue to dream big. :)

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Amen!

    • DamOTclese2

      Be nice if he turned up drunk knowing he’s defending a man who orders massive human rights crimes against Americans.

      • Jgg2012

        Actually, there are a lot of good questions I would like to hear him answer. “Does your client have any respect for the First Amendment rights of your critics.” “If Martin Luther were alive today, would your client call him a squirrel and harass him.”

  • DodoTheLaser

    Multibillion “religious” organization vs. one harassed woman. Seems fair.

    • Sid_Snakey

      I think “retribution” is too strong a word for what she’s asking.

      The main part is that she would actually like them to stop harassing her, and be told to stop harassing her, permanently. It seems this is too much to ask a church.

      • EnthralledObserver

        The asking to stop was done when they moved… the intent was clear given the location of the new property aside from what was published on Marty’s blog and in other comments etc… so now, they want it to stop permanently, plus they want compensation for the harm the harassers have caused so far. It’s only fair. Makemerich did not take the opportunity to slither away quietly, and now he’s about to be brought to justice for it… or, at least I hope that’s the outcome of all this.

        • Barbara Angel

          Well said, “Slither away quietly” that is an accurate description of him. Does this mean his tongue is forked too?

  • Tone

    Karen it is genius cutting shots of that porcine little Korean man into your clips of Slappy basking in his artificial glory! It is hilarious and devastating.

  • Espiando

    By the end of the day, we could have actual proof for an assertion that all of us believe to be true. If Justice Jefferson behaves in a manner which isn’t characteristic of his arguments while on the Texas Supremes, then we’ll know for certain that Davey Miskiewicz is micromanaging every aspect of the case, while using Jefferson only as a well-paid meat body who can potentially influence other meat bodies.

    If that’s truly the case, then it’s the ultimate manifestation of his and Scientology’s disregard for wogs. Please, Justice Jefferson, have some vestige of self-respect and a bit of a spine left. Your client is a moron. The money isn’t worth it. Please, wake up.

    • 1subgenius

      He is being used for his real, or perceived connections or influence.
      I, for one (and probably the only one), don’t fault him for taking on this loathsome client. And since (the best I can figger) we haven’t heard much, if anything, from him, I can’t fault his representation. Yet.
      The moment he exhibits anything unethical, or duplicitous, all bets are off.

      • Espiando

        What I’m looking for is something uncharacteristic of him from a legal standpoint, something that just doesn’t fit in with his pronouncements on the court or something that no one who’s had actual training and experience in the law would say in open court. That will show me, and a lot of people here, that Jefferson’s experience isn’t in play. And if the arguments are as whacked out as we think they’ll be, that’ll also compromise his influence. Appeals court judges are not going to give him the benefit of the doubt if they smell bullshit. And in Texas, they know the smell of bullshit.

        • NOLAGirl

          Appeals courts also do not appreciate anyone wasting their time, they won’t be all sweet & light if the Co$ side tries their usual….Marty, Marty, Marty or Religious Bigotry argument.

          Harassment, that’s all this is about.

          • Espiando

            I don’t care about time-wasting, Religious Bigotry, or All About Marty. I want to see Wallace Jefferson, retired Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Texas, say something or establish a line of argument that no attorney of that stature and expertise would ever do. That’s the moment that the curtain pulls back and we see the strings attached to the Jefferson puppet.

            We know the strings are there. I just want them visible.

            • NOLAGirl

              I share your desire to see The Sad & Powerless Oz dictating to his paid flunkies. I also look forward to seeing what possible excuse they can come up with to keep the action-figure sized pope from giving a deposition.

              ETA: Oooo maybe they’ll have more videos. Bahahaha!!!

          • 1subgenius

            “Appeals courts also do not appreciate anyone wasting their time…”

            Actually some relish it. Job security.
            You’d be surprised at how long it takes to get one’s robe to drape just right.
            How many angels on the head of a pin? Better have oral arguments on that.

        • 1subgenius

          He will stay in bounds or he won’t.
          Either way his position will either be laughed out of court, or the fix is in.
          They do know the smell of bullshit, but I’m going to take a flying leap and assume that they are all covered in it.
          I’m giving 2 to 1 odds that the fix is in. Only because that’s the mood I’m in at the moment.
          I would love for it to be true that Miscavige has paid elephant bucks for influence that isn’t there.

          • Espiando

            Paying elephant bucks for influence that isn’t there…I think we can safely call that the Ideal Lawyer Program.

            I’d also put money on the fix being in, but that’s because I’m Chicago to the marrow of every single bone, and we’re used to that.

        • 1subgenius

          I think there could be a hybrid: he could stay in the bounds of ethics and still sling some Miscavige PR. I would be shocked if we don’t see some ventriloquism.
          And I don’t think he is constrained to arguments consistent with his rulings while on the court. He actually could use them by finding some molecular fact that distinguishes them.
          “Oh yes, what I said there is valid. But you see, this case turns on different facts.”

        • Saint

          There is nothing in Jefferson’s pre-judicial career (from what I’ve learned on this thread) that would make me think he will show up and go off the rails, either in demeanor or in argument. I have seen nothing about him as a judicial officer that would make me think he changed those stripes, either. It is common for lawyers, even on the appellate level, to argue for extension of existing law even if current law is not quite there yet. It is easy to personalize and despise the trial lawyers, as they necessarily bring antics and strategy, but on appeal, the record is already the record. You will get a calm hand, even if a strange one, today. The import of the arguments may be exciting, but I would not personalize this to Mr. Jefferson. And he is a Mr. now, not a Justice.

          • 1subgenius

            I agree.
            If the fix isn’t in, his job is to create an issue, or the impression that there is an issue, that they will take up as far as they can go.
            And its all a bad joke, because Miscavige will never appear for a deposition anyway.

    • Barbara Angel

      It’s too late for Justice Jefferson, clearly he’s sold his soul to the Devil.
      “Greed is Good” is a terrible way to see the world and when will the ‘too much not enough’ mind set end?
      I’m so very, very glad Co$ is rapidly crumbling. Run Forest run, the men in white coats carrying orange jump suits are *finally* heading your way. Tick tock..

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    Good luck to the legal teams and to all the people facing them through the courts. I applaud their courage.

    Miscavige’s pants are folding against his shoes at about 1:23 of the first film. I guess it was made about the time his tailor went Freezone. I don’t much care about their statistics. I wonder who made them up? I wonder if Miscavige has a special statistics officer who makes ‘em up.

    Thanks for your insight and knowledge, Chris, especially the commentary on Hubbard’s view on money transfer. I had no idea about how the Ideal Org nonsense developed nor how the big donations developed. When I read the headline a couple of days ago about Scientology’s worth I wrote to a friend that Hubbard would be proud of David Miscavige. Long gone are the days of burying suitcases with a half million in them in the backyard, once a week.

    • Peter

      I personally knew at least two high ups in the SO who told me of regularly and repeatedly traveling to Switzerland with very large amounts of CASH to put into LRH’s accounts there. Both, of course, are long out, but in the 70s and early 80s, it was a standard practice in the financial end of things. Hundreds of millions of dollars were transferred in this way.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        One of the early books said that he was skimming and burying the money in the backyard. Some have speculated that Miscavige got the money when Hubbard went off to spread Scientology throughout the galAxy. Maybe the Broekers got it. Maybe the story isn’t true, but it seems consistent with his life. The Swiss accounts stories seem completely believable, too. In fact, I would be surprised if they didn’t exist. The whole point of Scientology is to make money. Why would the people at the top of the pyramid want to share it with anyone?

        • Mooser

          “Why would the people at the top of the pyramid want to share it with anyone?”

          I feel the same. There may not be that many, but there’s way more than just one.

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            I really have to wonder. You’d think that if their was a group of people having secret meetings about the stash Marty, Tommy and Rinder would be living it up right now. Marty doesn’t seem to be. Do they all know what went on but not get the key to the vault? Are Rinder or Rathbun talking?

            One friend, an exec who I am sure wants to remain nameless, left with only his run down car and the personal possessions in his trunk. He made a lot of money for them over the years but wasn’t high up enough to split the take.

            Do you think the money goes out to people we never hear about? To me, it points towards Miscavige. Do you know if RInder and Rathbun were able to take anything away with them? I haven’t read Marc Headley’s book. He escaped on a motorcycle. Was there a Mercedes somewhere that he chose not to take, or even a Volvo? In Toronto, when I was a member and 120 people were on staff with about a thousand public, the president, Bryan Levman drove a motorcycle with his pregnant wife on the back. I don’t think he got rich off Scientology, though I don’t know if he stashed any money away before he got thrown out.

            I have been saying that the cult will die not with a bang (FBI kicking down the door and dragging away the exec) but with a whimper (nobody coming in the door at all). Their financial situation seems to cast doubt on my whimper theory. Considering their assets they can have a lot of cold winters and still make it through. I find this disheartening. But maybe the answer does not lie in the poetry of T.S.Elliot but in the life of Al Capone. Maybe the end will come with the accountants and beneficiaries of Scientology being dragged away by the IRS. America may love religion but they hate tax cheating big businesses even more. Maybe we will live to see that.

            • RMycroft

              I believe Bryan Levman said that he left. “Kicked out” was probably the usual retro-excuse that they use to this day.

              In the summer of 1973, dedicated Scientologist Bryan Levman left … April 27, 1992, Bruce DeMara, Toronto Star

              (I think the local library has free archive access. I’ll have to spend some time looking at the full articles.)

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              Thanks. I checked the link. I had never seen that one, I am sure.

              What I remember is that Levman both the head of the Toronto branch of the cult and as the Guardian’s office high muckamuck for Canada. When the RCMP came to visit, someone had to take the fall and that became him. Now, I am not sure if dates line up with my memory. The RCMP actions were much later than 1973, weren’t they? Then again, maybe Scientology said that the actions of Levman in 1973 were the reasons for the crimes that the RCMP chased down at a much later date.

              Again, I hope my memory serves me. I think Levman started the Toronto cult. It may have began on Markham Street then moved to Avenue Rd. That was where I took my services and bought my books. I was long gone by the time they moved to Yonge Street. I heard that he was scapegoated for the RCMP raids and declared suppressive. I heard that Emile Gilbert, his successor, was declared suppressive too, though I don’t know if that involved the raids.

              It is funny how it goes. I committed a suppressive act in blowing, but nobody really cared beyond the potential revenue they might have received. I was never declared.

              Another friend was asked to leave but never declared. He didn’t really do anything suppressive. I suppose someone just didn’t want him around.

              I was friends with Levman’s brother Marty. At the time, Marty said little about him but the little he did say was very negative. He had no pride in his older brother for starting up a branch office of the Hubbard cult. He was disgusted by him for driving around on a motorcycle with his pregnant wife on the back. Hubbard, MIscavige and Cruise have all been motorcycle riders. Maybe Levman wanted to be like L.Ron. Maybe he wanted to show that he had sufficient intention to stop cars from hitting him. Most likely that and not enough money to afford anything else. A motorcycle cost about the same as a 12 hour intensive at the time.

              I have his current address and phone number. I haven’t approached him.

            • Once_Born

              Considering their assets they can have a lot of cold winters and still make it through

              A third possibility (that still ends with a whimper) is organisational collapse. All that money will avail them nothing if they are unable to deploy it effectively.

              We know that there are, presently, barely enough Scientologists to constitute a viable organisation, and that recruitment is at a standstill. The CofS could launch a huge, professionally managed, recruitment campaign by spending only a few percent of its reserves – but instead they are putting greater financial pressure on their remaining members.

              This strategy is insane. They are shooting themselves in the foot because they are incompetent managers, not because they don’t have sufficient funds to do the job properly. This will be their undoing. If I was writing a story, the plot would go as follows:

              After 2014, the CofS tactics of persecuting its perceived enemies gradually declined, simply because there were not enough competent Scientologists in the field to put it into effect. The organisation continued to implode, concentrating on retaining exhausted members rather than recruiting new ones. Membership continued to decline.

              After a few more years of steady contraction (during which the pressure placed upon the faithful escalated to intolerable levels) a tipping point was reached. Ordinary members realised that defectors were no longer being harassed at all. Like a dam breaking, the exodus suddenly turned from a trickle to a flood, leading to what is now known as “The Great Escape” – ‘under the radar’ Scientologists left en masse, depleting the tiny membership by 30% in a few cataclysmic months.

              Miscavige was left in the peculiar position of a Pope in a world where there were no longer any Catholics, and the legitimacy of his ‘rule’ over Scientology’s complex corporate structure began to be questioned.

              Increasing numbers of law suits were now brought against the CofS. Although they could spend colossal sums of money in court, they could no longer co-ordinate their defence against an attack on so many fronts. Cases began to be lost by default, as Scientology proved incapable of making decisions in a timely manner.

              Another dam started to crack. Each loss set a legal precedent that provoked another wave of suits against the ‘Church’, which attempted to stem the flow of water by stuffing banknotes into the breach. That huge of money, which had once seemed impossible to spend, now looked small compared to Scientology’s potential liabilities.

              Government agencies, scenting blood, eventually came out of their hiding places and (finally) upheld the law. The rest was inevitable (although the incident involving Miscavige and the goat on Hollywood Boulevard came as a surprise even to hardened Scientology-watchers. Was it a preparation for an insanity defence, or was he really that far gone?).

              Today, only two groups still pay attention to Scientology – the remaining 82 faithful Ron-worshippers, living on rice and beans in a compound in rural America, and incorrigible Scientology-watchers, who still follow occasional stories about the forensic accountants and their quest for the ‘missing millions’ and gasp at revelations from the Scientology Archive Project.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              That was a very uplifting scenario. Personally, I am hoping that it is not a goat, but a rhinoceros in a pool full of squid.

              Maybe it will be a version of that. They have moved away from being a cult with not too much money but with tremendous potential for growth, to a wealthy cult with tremendous potential for decline. Almost every member has either left, is leaving or has been thrown out. The word that they are a scam is out and it is hard to find new members. The ideal org gambit doesn’t seem to work. The ads on TV are creepy. They are getting, is seems, children of existing members.

              Things rarely stay static. (didn’t L.Ron say something like that?) So the cult of Hubbard may stay on as tens of thousands of independent, misguided new wavers and not cause too much trouble for families and finances and be easier for the police to charge with practising medicine with a license . Or it may go the way of Madame Blavatsky and Theosophy. You know, I wonder how that died.

              Davey can have the whole two billion as far as I am concerned, providing he doesn’t leave enough back for Scientology to operate. He can flee the country for an island in the Caribbean and promises never to come back.

            • Robert Eckert

              There are still Theosophists. I met a particularly boring one on a comparative-religions discussion board a few years back.

    • Barbara Angel

      I noticed his pants being buckled at the bottom too. As his tailor makes his suits to measurement, maybe this means he’s less than 5ft 1″ or he forgot to pack and wear his platform shoes, someone will receive a kicking over that one. Such tiny nit picking over anything noticeably wrong with his attire takes my mind away from his endless *HIDEOUS, blatant, bare faced LIES*.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        It sounds like he won’t have to scrimp on clothing anytime soon. Maybe, if he had a wife, she would have told him. Maybe, if he a staff that wasn’t scared of him, one of them would tell him. Maybe if he had a second in command that didn’t see himself as the next scapegoat, he would tell him. But, be that as it may, he looks like a fool.

        I can dress anyway I want. But cult leaders have look good when making public appearances.

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    • Juicer77

      Done. May the reverberation of these “whacks” be felt all they way to TX, up thru Jefferson’s expensive shoes.

  • Racnad

    Are we going to have another UP THE BRIDGE for OT 8? I’ve been looking forward to that!

    • Espiando

      Which OT8? OT8’s been changed at least three times since 1978.

      • Racnad

        Really? I though it wasn’t released into the 1990s after Freewinds went into service. There were two articles for most of OT 1-7 covering the pre and post-NOTS versions, so bring on as many OT 8s as needed.

        • Espiando

          The transfer of delivery to the SS Mesothelioma was the result of one of the changes, since OT8 had now become “so powerful” and “so on-Source” that it needed to be delivered in an isolated environment of pure theta. And pure asbestos.

          OT8 came out in 1978, The Year Of Wallet-Lightening-Fast Tech, when LRH “discoveries” (specifically of NOTs) “allowed” for the “release” of OT8. I think the relevant document is Ron’s Journal 37 (any available Ex out there, please confirm or correct).

          • 1subgenius

            “…OT8 had now become “so powerful” and “so on-Source” that it needed to be delivered in an isolated environment of pure theta. And pure asbestos.”

            That asbestos could have been useful back at the “Wall of Fire”.
            Doh!

          • Racnad

            RJ37 means Ron’s Journal for the year 37 AD (After Dianatics). Since Dianetics came out in 1950, 37 AD would be 1987 in WOG years. So OT 8 was released in the late 1980s, not the 70s.

            • Espiando

              My apologies. The correct reference is RJ30, which came out in December 1978. And thanks to a WWP thread, here’s the first page…

      • Captain Howdy

        I would like to see an article with a panel including Jon Atack, Chuck Beatty, David Mayo (just kidding) discussing the different versions and who created what. I would also like to see an article about Steve Fishman that gets to the bottom of some of the rumors and disinformation he was responsible for that is still being repeated in the critical community.

        • TDA1541A

          martyrathbun09 | July 4, 2013 at 1:19 pm | Reply

          The alleged OT VIII “HCOB” that calls Jesus a pedophile? Yes.

          martyrathbun09 | July 4, 2013 at 1:21 pm | Reply

          The alleged OT VIII “HCOB” that calls Jesus a pedophile? Yes, a hoax.

          Bob Grant | July 4, 2013 at 2:57 pm | Reply

          No, it was not a hoax. That HCOB was on the Class VIII course I did back in ’88.

          The second part of that HCOB was the tech for OTVIII.

          martyrathbun09 | July 4, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Reply

          Bob, can you email about this? I have heard from a number of OT VIIIs
          and Class VIIIs that it was hoax, which aligns with my own research
          while in.

          Windhorse | July 4, 2013 at 3:43 pm | Reply

          I did the first version of OTVIII which the Internet claimed had this
          Christ reference – I can tell you it definitely was NOT part of the
          OTVIII that I did and I rereading the materials several times returning
          to the Freewinds for various crams, fix ups etc.

          LRS was dismissive but not anti-Christ as far as everything I’ve studied and heard (LRH materials)

          Path of Buddha | July 4, 2013 at 8:34 pm |

          Windhorse,

          The anti-Christ OT8 that I did on the Freewinds was on July 17, 1988.

          I met miscavige on the Freewinds just before he canned it.

          I remember because I met him on the main deck for a supper

          buffet. My two FSM’s did it before me and very candidly we discussed

          the anti-Christ, the synthetic Karma, and the spontaneous combustion of
          anyone who could not get it all right. Hugh Urban agrees with me as

          he has also researched it at Ohio State. The religious department there has

          known about at for about five years. It is common knowledge in academic

          circles

          Much Metta,

          George M. White

          Bob Grant | July 4, 2013 at 9:27 pm |

          WH;

          There have been many incarnations of the Class VIII course. The Class
          VIII course I did was the “Original Class VIII Course Project” in ’88,
          which was to bring back the original Class VIII Course as taught by LRH
          in ’68, hence the course I did was called, “The Original Class VIII
          Course”. It was at AOLA.

          There have been extensive alterations of the Class VIII course taught by
          LRH. I have personal first hand knowledge of two of them. In the mid
          ’80s, ASHO DAY altered it’s Class VIII course to eliminate all
          references to the OT levels, which was ridiculous as the purpose of the
          Class VIII auditor was to be the review auditor for the OT levels. Who
          ever did that course missed all HCOBs and tapes that referenced to the
          OT data, specifically OTIII, which as you know was an extensive part of
          the course.

          As I said, the Original Class VIII Course Project was to bring back the
          Class VIII course as LRH had initially created it, but, the mice started
          to get to that one too. While I was on the course, I and others noticed
          that tape transcripts were slowly being altered. I’m not sure when I
          first noticed it, perhaps the third time through the checksheet; the
          tapes and transcripts no longer matched., substitutions were being made,
          and no one knew who was doing it, not even Mellissa, the Class VIII
          sup. We were able to dig up the true transcripts which were still
          available and used those, and marked the altered ones so no one would
          pick it up with the tape and get confused.

          Per Chris Black, who did the Class VIII course just after me in ’89, the
          tapes were being cut up and destroyed, and replaced with the sanitized
          ones. He participated in their being cut up, which he was uncomfortable
          doing.

          I dug into this, and apparently there is an issue which makes it ‘ok’ to
          cut out of any LRH material anything that shows him in a bad light. In
          the Original Class VIII Course, LRH was not particularly kind or polite;
          he would curse, and I mean curse, and yell and cancel certs. In one
          instance he was calling an auditor a ‘BITCH’ cancelled all her certs on
          the spot because she was confused between two auditing actions.

          One of the original Class VIII students who was on the course with LRH
          in ’68, I think his name was Pem, a name you may remember, was also on
          our course in 88. It was really cool to have him because there were
          moments on the tapes where the students would laugh or applaud, but
          nothing on the transcripts mentioned what LRH was doing that brought
          about the student reactions, and Pem told us what was happening. I may
          have the wrong person …

          Anyway, the point of my wall of text is that the Class VIII Course has
          been altered. On the one that I did, that HCOB was on it, and I read it
          three times, and got checked out on it three times. That it was not on
          the Class VIII course you did comes as no surprise, as it was an issue
          that definitely was not supposed to be BPI.

          Also, in the Lerma case, RTC listed that exact HCOB as being owned by
          RTC in the copyright infringing case along with vast numbers of other
          HCOBs, until someone realized the PR blunder of owning it, and dropped
          it from future lists. You can check A Lerma’s website to get that data.

          That HCOB WAS, WAS, WAS on my Class VIII course.

          Forrest Crane started the Class VIII course as I was winding down mine,
          so I assume he was on the same check sheet. Perhaps he can comment on if
          that HCOB was on it.

          b

          martyrathbun09 | July 4, 2013 at 9:44 pm |

          It would be very helpful to hear from Forrest.

          bob grant | July 4, 2013 at 10:38 pm |

          Hi WH;

          I just realized that you didn’t mention having done the Class VIII
          course and I went on a rant about it. Sorry about that, my mu …
          somewhere.

          b

          rainbodhi | July 5, 2013 at 6:52 am |

          WH and others,

          I first came across this letter a while ago when I was first studying
          various propaganda and discussion surrounding Scn and LRH. Upon
          revisiting it, and after having done quite a bit of study since that
          time, I must say that it seems even weirder and more incongruous to me
          now than it was even before.

          I know that LRH made some strong statements about Christianity and other
          religions. And I am aware that there were a lot of changes, even a
          dramatic shift, between the 1950s and the 1960s. But if this letter is
          to be taken seriously, one would have to think he had done a complete
          about face in terms of his views.

          For example, in the Phoenix Lectures (something that I keep coming back to):

          “The use of Christianity was to produce a certain civilized state and
          many people would blacken Christianity by saying it reduced people down
          to a very low level indeed. This is not true. It took an entire world of
          slaves and it made free men out of them. This in itself was quite a
          gain.”

          And:

          “Now, remember that Christianity in its basic wisdoms is still available
          to us in the New Testament, and that this, no matter how it has come
          through the line, is quickly and swiftly traceable back to the Veda.”

          This is completely opposed to what is said in the letter:

          “You have only to look at the history [Christ’s] teachings inspired to
          see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man still
          clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting.”

          And in contrast to the letter’s pooh-pooing of practically all earlier
          traditions, it also doesn’t seem to recognise that he’s on record
          tracing everything back – Buddhism included – to the Vedas, as being the
          earliest known major body of wisdom that we have.

          Again in Phoenix Lectures:

          “The Veda, should you care to look it over, is best read in a literal
          translation from the Sanskrit. And there are four major divisions of the
          Veda, all of them quite worth while. A great deal of our material in
          Scientology is discovered right back there.”

          “And we find Scientology’s earliest certainly known ancestor in the Veda.”

          So, something’s not adding up here. The letter also states that Gautama
          posited his own return as Maitreya. But historically this has never been
          considered to be the case as far as I know.

          Does anyone have any quotes directly from LRH that suggest he ever believed this?

          What I do know is that LRH stated, over and over, that there have been
          many buddhas, and there will be many more. That’s a much more open-ended
          view to have taken, and quite early on, too.

          There are many elements in that letter that seem to contradict very
          strongly with other recorded comments, and in general, the whole
          attitude is just way off base:

          “I had an inkling, but only that, of the insidiousness of this material
          as far back as 1945 […] and still the string continued to unwind with
          the ball at the end of it just out of sight.”

          That implies he was still searching for the root cause, when in fact he claimed to have already found it by that time.

          If the letter had originated from someone within the church and actually
          made it into a curriculum, that’s some seriously nasty business. I feel
          for anybody who had to endure it.

          Bob Grant | July 4, 2013 at 4:14 pm | Reply

          Sure can. Anything specific you want me to send you?

          martyrathbun09 | July 4, 2013 at 5:11 pm |

          I’d like a copy of the bulletin in question.

          Bob Grant | July 4, 2013 at 9:37 pm | Reply

          Ok Marty, I’ll dig it up and send it.

          martyrathbun09 | July 4, 2013 at 9:44 pm |

          Thanks.

          bob grant | July 4, 2013 at 10:35 pm | Reply

          Sent.

          • 1subgenius

            I appreciate you compiling this.
            Can you summarize it so someone like me can understand it?

            • TDA1541A

              Marty got convinced by 2 or 3 (ex) Scientologists who he trusts that the Jesus was a pedhophile version was the genuine first version of OT8

      • TDA1541A

        http://www.ezlink.com/~perry/CoS/Theology/JesseOT8.htm

        “Now, I had a personal conversation with David Miscavige about this. He
        didn’t want to tell me specifically what was in the pipe but he told me
        there was some information in there that was very startling and very
        rude that may very well upset people considerably. This was before
        OTVIII was that first thing. So he told me there was something very bad
        in there that he was trying to grapple with. He had uncertainty and was
        like, “God, I don’t even know if I want to say this.” OK, and then it
        came out that some people were horribly upset. I mean, horribly upset.

        L: Do you know any of the first OTVIII people that did the original
        OTVIII before they changed it?

        J: Not really. I just remember, a man, a European man that was a
        complete basket case from the ship and I know that a lot of the people,
        not a lot of the people but it had had many complaints about that and
        then when they changed it, it smoothed out.”

    • 1subgenius

      Just listen to the opening lines of “Helter Skelter”.
      Done.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Oh, didn’t you get the memo, Racnad? There’s been a slight delay in Tony’s, et al, ablility to deliver OT 8 to us. It seems none of us in the Bunker want to do it on the Freewinds, so Tony is trying to charter another cruise ship for us. I think it there’s some confidential “scripture” that mandates OT VIII is to be delivered while at sea only. And you know our proprietor, he pays attention to details!

      There’s also been a slight delay with the Certificate and Awards Committee finishing up those big honking OT 8 certificates that will be presented after we’ve gone up The Bridge to ?, especially with our resident shoopers such Observer, Mark, Natalie, Truitiwant, and the many others who are collaborating on this. I suspect they are probably having too much fun and can’t stop laughing long enough to get to work! There are also rumors the medals and trophies aren’t quite up to Bunker J&D standards either and the rhinestones and cubic zircons won’t stay glued on.

      BTW, the memo also suggests that we look through costume shops and theatre prop departments to find appropriate clothing for the trip and to make sure to also pack some costume wear which would be appropriate for the more formal type of events. I’m assuming the later would be for the Awards Night and the nightly entertainment held on board. There are so many talented folks in the Bunker that I’m sure the evening shows will be world class entertainment and a great deal of fun. There will be open mic nights too so make to bring any musical instruments or talent you have.

      P.S. Pack a bathing suit as I’m sure most of us will be “overboarded” at some point during the cruise.

      • Drat

        Incidentally, if you rate the experience with anything less than 5 zillion stars, you will be tied to your certificate and overboarded. Try staying up with that one!

      • Mooser

        This is great! As it happens, I just got a two new pairs of Sperry Top-sider’s!
        And at a reasonable price. Now all I need is a yachting cap like McGriff’s!

  • http://mncriticalthinking.com/ Chris Shelton (Galactic Patrol

    The truth about Scientology’s finances and the actual mechanics of the money-making scheme are now seeing the light of day like never before. As Jeffrey Augustine said on FB this morning, the release of the 990-Ts now shows clearly that NO MORE DONATIONS are needed by Scientology ever in order to continue operating. There are no crises or new buildings or new threats to its existence or new projects or grant monies needed for anything it wants to do. It has plenty of money to do whatever it wants anywhere in the world at at any time.

    The response from anyone in Scientology to the IAS and Ideal Org leeches and the Regges should be a clear and certain “NO!”

    Note: I’ll be working on getting out a video a week in this series until it is done. Your feedback is welcome and most importantly, anything you can do to get those who are still-in to watch these is appreciated.

    • Narapoid

      Your video was concise and effective. Thanks and may that many more in the trap find them.

      • joan nieman

        Thank you Chris and Karen for your wonderful videos.

    • Juicer77

      Very well presented, Chris. I am a never-in so these videos are speaking to me as much as those “inside” who are seeing it. The graphics are nicely done: helpful and not too overwhelming. Thanks for all this hard work.

    • 1subgenius

      Free sign for anyone demonstrating at a Scientology fund-raiser.
      Print. Paste. Profit.
      You’re welcome.

    • Drat

      Hi Chris, great video, well structured, easy to understand. The only feedback I have to offer for both this one and the last is to see if there’s any way to make the sound recording clearer. It seemed a bit muffled to me, especially when changing camera angles, and I think clarity would go a long way to helping any non-native speakers better understand the message. Thanks for doing them in the first place, though.

      • http://mncriticalthinking.com/ Chris Shelton (Galactic Patrol

        Understood. I got a new mic for my next one! :)

        • Drat

          Great. I’m not an recording pro, but noticed the previous mic probably has poor noise cancelling features, because you can hear your voice echoing in what sounds like an empty room.

          Edit: These videos are really valuable. You address the admin side really well, I’m sure they will confirm a lot of what people have been thinking (or get them thinking if they haven’t).

        • Peter

          Technical: I would also suggest you crank in more bass, if possible. I was hearing it from another room (without getting the words themselves) and though it was LRH! Ouch! Dropping the tones will change that. Otherwise, great video, simply and superbly presented. Very easy to “follow the dots…or bouncing ball.

          • http://mncriticalthinking.com/ Chris Shelton (Galactic Patrol

            LRH???? Eeeek!!! Thanks for the suggestion!

            • Drat

              Now we know where he’s been hiding these past years!

            • Peter

              LOL! Inexpensive equipment tends to not really duplicate voices well. You might also intentionally lower your voice, easily done if you put some attention on it during practice. Also has a greater impact on the listener’s ear. Go for it! You’ve got a lot to say we need to hear.

            • K2P2

              NO way you sound like lrh. I’m a never-in and I want to throw up at the sound of his voice, but I could listen to your voice anytime. Perhaps it’s because you are saying such important things that will expose the fraud that COS is. Thanks for your important work.

    • DeElizabethan

      Thanks for the concise new video.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Excellent work, Chris! Please, do continue…

    • BosonStark

      Although it is just a theory of mine, I suspect one reason Scientology is not heavily promoted, besides Miscavige hoarding money, is that heavy promotion of Scientology does not work. It could quite possibly backfire, by attracting customers who would become problems, like wanting their money back or making too much noise.

      During Hubbard’s time, he relied on secrets and a zeitgeist, where in the ’60s lots of people were questioning the establishment and exploring alternatives. Also, he relied on his books to target his audience. People who read Dianutty and found it intriguing were primed to be trapped. People who caught the enthusiasm of a friend or a family member in Scientology had no other way to explore it other than doing it. Mysteries could be spun around Scientology, about their amazing powerz, life transformations, or Hubbard’s powerz and astounding accomplishments.

      They don’t have that now, especially with the Internet. They are caught in a Catch-22. Promote too heavily and the people who feel deceived or get trapped will be angry. Information about how Scientology works and what they really believe is a thousand times more easily available. No more mystery. Instead. they have to rely on Tom Cruise’s fading allure, going after the few people who may not have heard that Katie dumped him partly because of the creepiness of Scientology that she didn’t want for her daughter.

      I don’t think this is anything lacking in your video, Chris, which is very clear and well-framed. It’s just that the essence of Scientology is to have secrets and mystery, to attract a very select set of vulnerable people, and preferably ones who are loaded or willing to do slave labor. There is really nothing Miscavige can do about this, in the way of reform. Scientology can never be reformed because its roots are in deception, delusion and greed.

      One other thing your video made me think of was that new statuses based on size of donation to the IAS was a brilliant stroke, really, because the myths around the powers of the OT and the “clear,” are collapsing, along with the secrecy of what OTs do and learn on these levels. Rich people like these status levels enough to keep empty buildings going.

      Front groups have increased but their ability to build Scientology is limited because “word clearing” and the sauna/vitamin treatment are limited, along with all of Hubbard’s historic breakthroughs and “all the answers.” The way to happiness thing is just transparent and stupid. Scientology has comical aspects, and through Anonymous a whole new computer savvy younger generation became informed. A Pulitzer Prize-winning author wrote a book. There is really very little Captain Miscavige can do except run away and hide or go down with the ship.

      If he were to pay Sea Org members and staff better wages and allow them to have the Internet, they would leave in greater numbers.

      • http://mncriticalthinking.com/ Chris Shelton (Galactic Patrol

        I agree with you on the promotional Catch-22. They have created a very bad place for themselves and are reaping the consequences of all those years of “noisy investigations” and covert operations which backfired – as they always do – when they tried to take out their perceived enemies, i.e. anyone who tried to practice basic free speech. More on this in my next video. :)

      • Drat

        I agree that they cannot afford to much exposure to their Bridge of Promises™, else more and more people will talk and realise they didn’t get what they paid for. Too dangerous. Money for nothing is a much safer (and possibly more honest) route.

      • Mooser

        “During Hubbard’s time, he relied on secrets and a zeitgeist, where in
        the ’60s lots of people were questioning the establishment and exploring
        alternatives. Also, he relied on his books to target his audience.”

        And, as we’ve seen in many of the articles on the history, Scientology got a lot of help at that time, some of it inadvertent, from the media.

        And for one, brief, shining moment (ruined by LRH himself, when he decided past lives must be audited, too) Dianetic almost attained some kind of ‘medical’ respectability.

        But these days (and lately, it’s been almost weekly event) the media finds material in attacking Scientology, and exposing it. That’s the end game for something like Scientology. Soon it will join the Hula-Hoop in the dustbin of history. I bet it’s not even recyclable.

      • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

        I recently read a quote from William Bernbach which seems very appropriate to Scientology.

        “A great ad campaign will make a bad product fail faster. It will get more people to know it’s bad.”

      • http://www.4chan.org/ Vistaril

        Although it is just a theory of mine, I suspect one reason Scientology is not heavily promoted, besides Miscavige hoarding money, is that heavy promotion of Scientology does not work. It could quite possibly backfire, by attracting customers who would become problems, like wanting their money back or making too much noise.

        Yep, makes sense. As you mention, Scientology’s big secret is out: everyone knows now that L Ron Hubbard said spiritual reality is being held back on “this planet” because of Xenu and that’s actually really funny. Scientology is a joke and any attempt at a substantial promotion to wog world will just result in more LOLS. The other thing to remember is that people like Team Mosey, Laura, the Garcias, David Love in Canada and the Narconon Birgade in the US, et al, have got Scientology tied up in all sorts of knots and the last thing the cult wants to do is advertise or the fact. Any heavy promotion of the Scientology brand or Narconon and other front groups will immediate result in more people learning about the crimes, deaths, survivors, the court cases if they ever Google Scientology. Its a WIN/WIN situation, as I see it. But then there’s the other sort of “promotion” which Scientology engages in; the one which involves PIs and bags of cash. The “stealth” promotion which goes on in government and judicial systems. In that arena, I would say Scientology is very active.

        I love how the whole “Celebrities” schtick dreamed up by Source has ended up delivering more bad PR than positive. The TomKat scandal is mana from Heaven, Lisa Marie is playing in the backgrouns while Leah Remini is the warmed glass of sweet port wine which rounds off the recent smorgasbord of WIN. Its a bit disappointing that Scientology gets more ink on the celebrity pages than it does in the crime section but, in terms of the promotion of Scientology, the celebrity angle ain’t working so good no more. Not that it was ever particularly successful . . .

      • DamOTclese2

        Very well said, and the criminals are targeting victims in third world countries with little Internet access, knowing that is the only source of possible money left thanks to the Internet.

        • Jgg2012

          LHR’s strategy, in fact, was to stay “under the radar”–have law enforcement ignore him because there were bigger frauds out there that required their time, and have the IRS give up because there was too little money to go after. A big promotion and expansion works against that.

      • El Con Blubbard

        I would like to indicate that Scientology has been suppressed, invalidated and thoroughly nullified!

    • scnethics

      Thanks for another excellent video!

    • DamOTclese2

      Scientology’s surviving customers will get in trouble if they tell the insane crooks no, they will be sent to the RPF and have human rights crimes committed against them if they start refusing to hand the crooks more money.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Vid No 2 was excellent.
      I hope many “under the radar” people get to see it.

      I can’t wait for the next video.

    • J. Swift

      Chris, another great video on your part and keep going!

      The release of these 990-T’s means that there is now absolutely no reason whatsoever for anyone to ever donate money again to the Church of Scientology.

      The basic financial picture is now in place: >$1.5 billion in real estate and at least $2 billion in cash.

      The Church of Scientology is wealthy and does not need any donated money for decades to come. The Church cannot claim it is broke or needs money on a dire emergency basis. Those were all lies propounded to members by a greedy and fraudulent organization.

      There are more 990-T’s coming.

      • Mrs Libnish

        Love it Mr. Swift, love it!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Chris I love your videos. This second video about the $$ is very powerful because you so clearly lay out exactly how the money path works. Thank you for all that you are doing. 100^

    • DodoTheLaser

      Great work, Chris! Thank you.

  • Narapoid

    How will the rest of the Texas bar look at today’s proceedings?

    • Barbara Angel

      Hahahaha good one. Thanks for the smile.

  • baddog5623

    I have said it before and I will say it again. DM has found a way to go on record with the court by having videos of him played. The Plaintiff should he allowed to show the others side. Scientology wants to have its cake and eat it too.

    • Missionary Kid

      As always.

  • Maradona is OT X

    a bit off topic but: can we raise money to open a place in clearwater to assist sea orgs staff and public that want to go out. you know, having a lawyer, a psicologist, some ex members, a civil rights teacher, and we can give them a couple of bucks and maybe in the most extreme cases a place to stay, that would really make an impact in helping because what i continuously heard is that leaving is hard because you are jumping of a cliff to the wog world, well lets make that jump more friendly. im just saying that everytime i heard a new story about a sea org member i just cant imagine how frightened the wog world can be for them…. hope im being clear here, my english sucks…

    • chukicita

      That sounds a lot like what the Lisa McPherson Trust used to do in Clearwater. Here’s something Stacy Brooks wrote about when they first opened:

      http://www.xenu.net/archive/events/lisa_mcpherson/the_trust/

      • Maradona is OT X

        i was going to quote that as well, now we have tones of critics that can support this type of assistance with donations, in that times if i correctly recall there was just 1 guy putting all the money, we can create an non profit organization that works with donations… im sure that it will make a difference. i didnt give my money to the film project bunker is doing, but i would love to help an organization that can cause a real impact… i mean we can even create a jobpost so they can get a job, even we can talk with building owners so we can get especial prices for accomodations, the possibilities are infinite….

    • ObsessedReader

      That is a great idea, and your english is fine.

      • Maradona is OT X

        im trying to express myself the best that i can, thanks a lot obsessedreader

    • ze moo

      The loyal clams would send in lots of fake defectors and try to bankrupt the ‘exitteers’. Keeping the loyal clams out of the process would be impossible,though I would expect some of the fake defectors to eventually escape. I do like the idea, I just don’t know how to implement it safely.

      • Maradona is OT X

        they are not the KGB, and the thing is that we are not going to scream at people LEAVE THE CULT, the idea is to assist the guys who are already out or on the bridge to leaving (love the use of the word brigde here) that only can create a chain effect, ´cause the people that is still “in” are going to see that leaving is not that terrible and that you are not alone. I know that hardcore believers are a concern, they are really crazy, nonetheless if we can protest we can do this, it would be just the reasonable step after the pickets

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      This would be a good topic for Flag Down to look at.

      https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/flag-down-2014-may-5th-10th.114743/

  • Sydjazz

    Are we going to get live updates here? Lets hope the dwarfenfuhrer gets called up. :)

    • NOLAGirl

      Yes we will get live updates as Tony gets them (No recording, filming, etc. devices allowed in the courtroom). No one will get called up today and we won’t get any decisions today. This is just oral arguments about why Tiny Boots shouldn’t or should have to give a deposition.

      (Thank you TXLawyer for the info about today’s hearing.)

      • RMycroft

        A phone isn’t isn’t a recording device, so Slappy can listen in so long as he keeps the yelling and cursing down.

        • joan nieman

          A phone is a recording devise.

          • RMycroft

            Better check Moxon’s pocketses for a live phone then.

            Judge: Why is there cursing and swearing coming from your pocket?
            Moxon: … it was installed that way?

            • Juicer77

              Judge: “Perhaps Mr. Miscabbage would like to join us in the courtroom, then?”

  • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

    #TeamMosey!!! Morning! :) No tweets today….my brain is focused on getting outside and working in the yard…. yard therapy!! i will have pen and paper out with me though…..so very relaxing just watching the birds though and i’m still waiting to see the toads come out of hibernation…..

    reminder re: giving jenny craig a clue about kirstie page: http://misstia.com/JennyCraig.html
    i just sent an email to jenny craig:

    I find it perplexing as to the lengths Jenny Craig is going to defend
    Kirstie Alley and the “circus fat” comment. The lack of awareness of
    her polarizing personality and beliefs, and the lack of sensitivity to
    those with weight problems shows a total disconnect with Jenny Craig and
    the real world.

    Kirstie Alley is not a working mother as you have defended her. Her
    children are adults. One could argue a mother never stops working; but
    by saying “working mother” it implies small children, not adults.
    That’s misrepresentation.

    Whereas Kirstie Alley’s personal beliefs SHOULD be her own, that is not
    the case with Scientology and with her. She takes any/every opportunity
    to make insulting comments in the media to former Scientologists
    (google Kirstie Alley Leah Remini), claims she is a devout Scientologist
    and if you knew that, you’d know that a devout Scientologist cannot set
    their beliefs aside. A Scientologist must apply Scientology in every
    situation. Technically, she shouldn’t be using Jenny Craig and if a
    non-celebrity Scientologist did what she was doing, they would subjected
    to interrogations because ‘the tech’ is to cure all, including weight
    problems.

    The product of hers you are now selling was subject of a lawsuit due to
    false claims. Were aware of this? You’re now selling a product that had
    to have it’s labeled changed due to false claims. This is okay for
    you?

    If someone’s personal beliefs don’t matter, then perhaps you could have a
    co-campaigner for her? Shirley Phelps of Westboro Baptist I’m sure would
    love the national attention. Kirstie’s church is against gays too, so
    they already have something to bond over. Maybe they could hold up
    signs “God Hates Circus Fats” ?

    How about a CGI Hitler? Are you aware that Kirstie and her church
    believes that the Holocaust was caused by psychiatrists? Her beliefs
    don’t matter? Being a revisionist historian to that extent matters!!
    Kirstie and her church also would like all psych drugs removed from
    everyone. Have YOU ever taken or known someone who has benefited from
    such medication? I believe it’s safe to say that over 1/3 of Americans
    have.

    You have an extremely hateful (she even hates overweight people with the
    “circus fat” jibe that you allowed) individual as your spokesperson.
    You see nothing wrong with this and you are defending this. Mozilla had
    their CEO resign for donating to the Prop 8 campaign. Kirstie is far
    more polarizing and she will take your company down, as you can see for
    yourself.

    Put up a circus tent. We’ll all get peanuts to watch. Maybe eventually you’ll apologize and realize your mistake.

    Sincerely,

    Miss Tia

    • Elar Aitch

      Freaking awesome!

    • ObsessedReader

      Excellent!

    • Sherbet

      This was so good, Miss Tia, I had to read it three times. Nice work. Regardless of KA’s personal quirks — and they are huge personal quirks — I think it’s a dumb move to hire someone who has had a very public battle with weight for many years. JC thinks the message is: KA struggles like we all do, and JC is here to help. However, the real message is: Jenny Craig does not work, because YOU WILL GAIN IT ALL BACK AND THEN SOME. Toss Valerie Bertinelli into that PR mix, and JC comes out looking like a waste of time and money, which it probably is.

      • kemist

        A complete course of Jenny Craig (which belongs to Nestle, by the way) costs 9000$.

        And, because it works with cooked meals you must buy, it does not do much in the way of proper education to make its clients autonomous.

        You’re practically doomed to repeat it periodically, because once you stop (and you’ll have to, it costs over 700$ per month), you’ll go back to the way you ate before and grow fat again.

        • Barbara Angel

          The Jenny Craig modus operandi sounds a lot like Co$ to me. Repeat and pay, repeat and pay. Birds of a feather flock together…….

          • kemist

            That is sadly the result of pretty much all weight loss programs. The companies who sell them know this, and cash in on it. This is a multi-billion dollar market with repeat customers.

            The only way to lose weight permanently is a permanent lifestyle change. The results are rarely as spectacularly fast as those of extremely restricted, unsustainable in the long term, diets. And that does not sell very well.

            • Barbara Angel

              The weight loss scams survive because everyone is hoping for a short cut to ditch the flab or a magic ‘fat blaster’ pill. If it tastes good spit it out. Then send me all your Moneeeeeeeeeeee for my good advice with a guaranteed permanent result. lol

            • Juicer77

              You’ll have to pry my dark chocolate from my cold hands!! ;)

            • Barbara Angel

              Dark chocolate has health benefits if not eaten by the wheelbarrow load. Vats of deep fried muck and litres of soda are not. Eating such unhealthy muck by the bucket on a daily basis is a guaranteed way of becoming grossly obese. The circus fat Krusty refers too is how she feels about her self. Sad horrible Kool-aid drinker her face reflects where she’s at mentally. = Miserable.

          • joan nieman

            Yes Barbara. You ” Hit the nail on the head”. It is just another marketing scheme that pulls in the money.

        • Juicer77

          Agree 100x. No proper education or proper NUTRITION!! For your body’s sake please eat some thing that’s not processed.

        • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

          wow…..people would be better off getting deal a meal…..damn……

      • kemist

        The funny thing is that there is a legit research institute near my place which gives you the meals for the duration of its nutrition program, as well as blood tests and heart exams, plus a compensation of 1200$ for your participation.

        The meals are reportedly delicious meditarenean cuisine.

        I would have participated were it not for my fish intolerance.

      • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

        Thanks!!

        I think your point about her struggling with her weight for years is probably exactly why they hired her back….because so many people with weight problems have the same problem….but, but BUT KA is not relatable at all…..and as said below, JC is something you have to fully rely upon, so how realistic is that?

        In a way, even if people just focus on your point, that should backfire on JC. “wait, she left JC and gained it back, why do i want to do this?”

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      According to one web site (“Diets in Review”) , Jenny Craig’s holding company actually purchased Organic Liaison. They also did a very “puff piece” interview in January, 2013. Here’s an interesting tidbit:

      “Kirstie notes that she really only started eating healthy in the last five years, which would have come at the end of her time with Jenny Craig. After ending her tenure as spokeswoman, Kirstie took things up a notch and switched to an all organic diet.

      ‘I can really feel the difference,’ she said.”

      http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/04/thats-how-i-see-me-kirstie-alley-responds-to-circus-fat-comment-in-jenny-craig-ad/

      • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

        i knew JC bought OL—now THEY hold the bag with the product that was the subject of a lawsuit….

        so in the last 5 years she ate all organic and yet she still has to lose weight? o_O does KA even know what she says half the time?

        • OrangySky

          “Organic” used to mean something. Now it has just become another marketing front-of-package buzzword. There are plenty of “all organic” processed foods that are fattening.

          • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

            You are so right, it’s a total ‘buzzword’. It no longer means what it did.

    • Sir_Real

      You really hit the ball outta the park this time, Miss Tia! Just the cold hard facts presented, the best kind.

      • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

        Thanks! That was my ‘tweet’ today I guess, though it was an email! :)

    • joan nieman

      Point Blank. To the point. Awesome as always Miss Tia!

      • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

        thanks joan!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Wow, you have outdone yourself and you well deserve some peaceful yard work but I, for one, am very glad you have pen and paper handy in doing your yard work in case inspiration strikes.

      • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

        nope didn’t happen…..eddie’s new landlord is being a fucking dick—-tl;dr version, eddie’s last place burned down 2/12, he found this place a few months later, he planned to stay there basically forever….owner sold it to another guy who basically started trying to get the tenants out (upstairs/downstairs) by raising rent, etc….he wanted eddie to sign a new lease in january though it didn’t expire til june….since he didn’t renew it and they didn’t call and ask him—they’re showing his place tomorrow to RENT IT OUT—dafuq?!?! i told the guy i had been a leasing agent and it’s 30 days before the lease expires and neither of us knew that and he said he ASSUMED eddie wasn’t going to renew since he dind’t turn it in!! Grrrrrrrrr…..i said he’d have it signed tomorrow but he has to “review things” now and they’re still showing it tomorrow….oh fucking great….i am so fucking pissed off right now…..eddie doesn’t know this—about them “reviewing things” cuz he’s at work….it is soooo hard to find a place to live in the city he lives in and he has 2 dogs too (2 cats also)……this asshat wants quick money over a long term renter……gah!!!!!!!!!!! apparently one of them might call me back later today or tomorrow……words cannot express how pissed i am….it’s not even fucking legal….they have the option to not renew a lease, sure, but to demand you sign a lease like 6 months before it expires??? not legal…..

        oh that was long….sorry……i just sent a pithy email to a bunch of local polititicians….i am channeling my rage…YEAH!!!!!!!!!

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          That sounds really bogus, especially if there any rent protection ordinances in your city or state.

          • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

            totally fucking bogus…..eddie’s gonna be pissed….he’s 58 years old and shouldn’t have to be dealing with this shit…..he didn’t want to leave his last place, but she was a slumlord and refused to fix something that caused the fire and he lost almost everything, his dog and 3 of his kitties….

            this yahoo is gonna rue the day he fucked with my best friend who’s like my brother!!! he’ll also find out the neighbors don’t WANT college students….

    • Mrs Libnish

      Whoah…that was great and you pulled out the big guns. I LOL’d at the Westboro Baptist Church comment…what a bunch of tools, just like Jenny Craig!

      • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

        thanks!! well i saw on their FB page they were making feeble attempts at saying KA’s beliefs didn’t matter….uh, yeah, they do…..i mean, they shouldn’t, but when it comes to $cientology? yes, they do! if JC had a clue, they’d have known that!! i think $cienos have infiltrated Jenny Craig!!

    • Casabeca

      I have always admired your wit and work ethic. Today I admire your eloquence too. What a great letter. I hope the yard work and fresh air bring you joy today. <3

      • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

        Thank you so much for your kind words!!

        Unfortunately i did not get joy today—dramz in best friend’s life—but i’ll try again tomorrow….that’s all you can do…..suppose to be warmer out too…..

  • TX Lawyer

    Oops on me. I did not realize the legislature had amended CPRC 51.014(b) to provide for a stay of trial court proceedings during an appeal from the denial of an anti-SLAPP motion to dismiss. Apologies for my recent statements to the contrary.

    • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

      Hey we’re you in the courtroom today? If you don’t want to answer here email me dmanunderground@gmail.com

      • Robert Eckert

        So is a report coming soon? We’ve all been pretending to be patient all day!

        • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

          Posted!

      • TX Lawyer

        Nope, not attending any of the proceedings. Things to do, people to depose.

  • Sydjazz

    O.t slightly. This posted on melbourne australia scion fb page. Oh now they are grabbing at monks http://www.youtube.com/embed/ezz6yaO1_SU?feature=player_embedded

    • DeElizabethan

      What PR garbage. Shameful to show a handful of people to misrepresent masses to their public, so they will donate more.

    • kemist

      Something seems off to me with that “buddhist monk”.

      He’s supposed to be in Thailand, where the prevailing buddhist school is the Theravada. Their robes are orange but different from those of the Tibetan tradition this one is wearing, which westerners associate with buddhism. I know because my cousin is a getsul, an ordained novice monk in the Tibetan tradition.

      Also, monks do not typically have disciples. They may give teachings, but the only people who may be called “disciples” are novice monks. Among those so called “disciples” are women. The Theravada tradition does not ordain women.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        This video piece is actually from February, 2011. CoS ran the usual accompanying pr material with it at that time.

        There apparently is a real “Phra Dang,” who is an Abbott at the Phukhao Thong monastery in Thailand. I found a photo on line of a Thai monk named “Phra Dang” tattooing a soldier, but he doesn’t look like this guy.
        http://books.google.com/books?id=hjjIENnuc18C&pg=PA215&lpg=PA215&dq=%22phra+dang%22&source=bl&ots=OtrpVuSJyp&sig=4XrW2ctp4dE-dVazLcbAM_70P_o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eFZFU7DEOOWwygH7uoDwCw&ved=0CHcQ6AEwDA#v=onepage&q=%22phra%20dang%22&f=false

        • kemist

          Do Theravada monks take a new name upon ordination like Tibetan ones ?

          These names have specific meanings, are given by the senior monk who sponsors your ordination, and tend to repeat themselves.

          There may be several monks named Phra Dang out there.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            I do not know. Regardless, the Aussies are running a three-year-old video piece.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        You are absolutely right that something is “off” with that Buddhist monk. That’s what I thought as well as I watched the video.

        As is often the case In Thailand, most anyone can purchase a “monkhood.” Wealthy families will even buy the position of Abbot, Sensei, Osho, etc., from whatever Buddhist tradition they want for their children – as a way to bring honor on the family but also as a way to have a wayward son have some kind of direction or respectable career in life. I’ve been told by other monks (Japanese Zen tradition) who have spent time in Thailand that with enough money, families can even set up a whole monastic community to serve their son. One stop shopping with a big enough donation to the right official or monk.

        I’ve been told by other monks, that wearing Buddhist robes or title of “monk” from Thailand is often suspect. That’s why, especially since the 70’s, we have seen so many Westerners go to Thailand and return professing having lived in a monastery, having studied under a Master, and then come back and set up shop as a guru.

        That said, Thailand has legitimate monks and monasteries who come from centuries old, respected, and well known Buddhist traditions.

        But as is often the case with Co$, I couldn’t help but think they simply paid someone or a group handsomely to get this video. Monasteries in Thailand are often run like businesses instead of a spiritual/religious community. Sound familiar?

        P.S. With the proliferation of the internet, maybe parents can even go online now, click on “monk” + “monastery” +
        “location,” have it appear in their shopping cart, and then pay with
        VISA or Mastercard! Just kidding.

        • RMycroft

          If Alfreddie Johnson can be a “Baptist minister”, then it doesn’t surprise me that anyone can be a Buddhist monk.

  • DeElizabethan

    Prayers and support are with Monique Rathbun and her team today, as always. I will join with the Bunker late. Have a great day!

    • Sherbet

      Ditto. I have work to do, and I have to force myself to stay out of the Bunker today.

      • Robert Eckert

        Well it’s not going to be live-blogged. We probably won’t get an update until late in the afternoon.

        • Sherbet

          Right, and since I’m on the East Coast, there’s no reason for me to pace around the Bunker like an expectant dad until the news begins to come in from another time zone. Carry on, Bunkeroos.

          • joan nieman

            Thanks Sherb. Have a good day.

  • Observer

    From Karen’s video, Miscavige’s line “… this was their first taste of anything that didn’t smack of vengeance…” while giving out propaganda written by a spiteful, vengeful con man who required his followers to carry his vengeance out on whomever he directed them to … oh, that’s rich.

  • DeElizabethan

    “Karen de la Carriere has put together a fun video about the reverence required of Scientology leader…”
    I’m looking
    forward to the day when this organization will be held financially
    accountable – to the government and to their own members. The garbage
    they spew are lies, deceit and criminal.

    • Drat

      And I used to stand up and frenetically applaud at these events. Oh, cringe. Find me a hole so I can quietly die of shame…

      • Dancing Cranberry

        We need you alive, Drat, to witness to the truth. People who are considering escape will listen to you. There are limits to the influence of never-ins. I’m glad you’re out!

        • Drat

          That’s true, to a degree. It’s just that seeing all those event scenes was really embarrassing. I was actually relieved to see Nuremburg and Kim and Mao come on. But I guess the people applauding then didn’t see how crazy it looked, either. Hive mind.

          • chukicita

            Drat, your perspective is so important to those of us who were never in… thanks for having the courage to tell us.

      • NOLAGirl

        That you were smart enough to get out and stand up for yourself means you have nothing to be ashamed of.

        • Drat

          I guess you’re right. File it under “never again” (even if never is such a big, big word).

          • NOLAGirl

            Never Again.

            Because now, this group will come looking for you and drag you home. :)

            • Drat

              I’ll send a message first if I run off with one of those cute mormons ;)

      • Barbara Angel

        Applaud or be punished, sounds to me like you did the best you could for survival. I’m glad you’re here and not in the hole.

        • Drat

          Never was at Int, thank goodness :)

      • Juicer77

        Legitimate questions from a never-in: did you ever look around for the cameras like so many of those folks are doing? Were you ever concerned about being picked out and punished for not being enthusiastic enough? Thanks for sharing, you are standing taller now than you ever were as a Big Being!

        • Drat

          I was never at the actual event where He Spoke, just at one of the bigger small and failing orgs. I was not concerned about being picked out, but was concerned about not showing sufficient enthusiasm. I was particularly concerned at times when a family member would refuse to stand up and clap along.

          The last event we went to (probably over 2 years ago), I was very glad hardly anyone saw us leave or notice our “bad indicators”.

          • aquaclara

            Sending Hugs.
            Being able to speak about this is really big.
            Being out – the best.

            You know, if you want to try rebelling, walk up and down the comments here, and randomly downvote things, just for fun. I promise you NO ONE will yell at you.

            • Drat

              Lol. It’s okay now, I’ve worked through a lot of stuff. Sometimes it seems surreal.

            • aquaclara

              Crappy cult does have a way of sucking the good out of things. If they had advertised that upfront, it would have been easier to deal with.

              If you haven’t read Mike Rinder’s blog today, it’s well worth a read. A story from an ex. You will cry and commiserate and celebrate the happy bits by the end.

            • Drat

              Yes, I read it. Exhausting ordeal, good they’re out, I hope his daughter follows soon.

              Truth in advertising is such a rare commodity among cults ;)

          • Robert Eckert

            That was one of the “crimes” Kim Jong-Un’s uncle was charged with: insufficiently enthusiastic applause.

            • grundoon

              Death by firing squad for insufficiently enthusiastic applause.

              Gives DM something to strive for.

          • Juicer77

            Wow. I’m glad you are free now to ask, walk, do whatever, and I hope your family is with you to enjoy it.

            • Drat

              One half is, the other I’m not sure about.

      • aquaclara

        Haaah, life’s way too short for that! Just laugh about it. We are quite amused here by the pics of Tom Cruise overclapping at some Misbabble moment, while Katie is clapping with a look that’s more like, “what the hell have I gotten myself into?” .

        Like unfortunate big hair styles from the 80’s, it will just always be there, fueling chuckles from people who love you.

        So, where exactly did you say the videos are? :)

  • GalacticGreg

    Karen de la C’s video really bitch-slaps little Captain Dave Miscavage. Good show!

  • ObsessedReader

    I can barely stand the sight of that little idiot in his fake Navy uniform. What a pompous ass.

  • ShoopZ

    Today’s Tweet To The Twitter Twat (refresh)

  • BosonStark

    Miscavige is quite different from Hitler and other dictators in the way he receives adulation or applause. Even in Karen’s video, there’s one shot where he looks very modest, and almost uncomfortable with the adulation he’s receiving, as he makes hand motions deflecting it away from himself. Of course, it’s part of his act, too, false modesty, but even so, it’s nothing Hitler would do.

    For the most part, Miscavige does a great job of directing all the energy of clams to worship the portrait of the great nutter on the wall, LRH himself. When Miscavige is praised, he often tries to direct it to his ultimate goal, to hold up LRH and keep the con going. Even Tom Cruise, when he said that Miscavige was the “most intelligent, the most compassionate…” he qualified it with his deference to Hubbard.

    • Drat

      Much like it would be a mistake not to show deferance to the Eternal President. As a leader, Jong-un can probably do virtually anything within the constraints of Juche, as the Eternal President cannot talk back by virtue of being dead. So everyone loves and applauds him (and the Eternal President, of course).

      • BosonStark

        True, I edited the “other dictators” part out, since there are a few who do that.

    • grundoon

      Hubbard can have the praise, so long as Miscavige gets to control the money and slaves.

  • safeweb

    Here is a weird David Miscavige anecdote. People in the RPF always set up the events in the parking lot next to LA org. Is a long grueling day and in very hot sun. Obviously you get very sweaty. The RPF IC would walk the parking lot as we ran up and down with chairs and sand bags and if David Miscavige were expected to make an inspection we would pulled out of the parking lot because we didn’t look upstat (professional) enough for David Miscavige to see us.

    • Missionary Kid

      I, for one, am glad you’re not there. How long has it been?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Reminds me of a story I heard from someone who worked for one of the “prosperity ministries.” It seems they hired a young woman right out of college, and on the first day in the new job she was coldly informed that she needed to buy a new car. It seems her campus “BT” (basic transportation) wasn’t upscale enough to be seen in their parking lot.

      • Mooser

        “Reminds me of a story I heard from someone who worked for one of the “prosperity ministries.”

        Maybe I should tell you some of the stories I’ve heard, (complete with charging papers and court transcripts and guilty verdicts) of people who have worked at mainstream churches?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          If it’s relevant, fire away.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        D3, do the “prosperity ministries” also use really attractive younger women and men on the “front lines” like the Co$ seems to do to attract and lovebomb new public – starting with the Hubbard years and his CMOs?

        Have you seen the young woman the Co$ is grooming to be spokesperson to replace Tommy Davis and Mike Rinder? Her name is Erin Banks. I couldn’t help but notice how photogenic she is and seen her face plastered in quite a few flyers lately, even one advertising for OSA members (as seen in one of Tony’s “Sunday Funnies” posts). She is also officially listed on the “church’s” website as being in the position of official spokesperson.

        Just wondering if other “religions” use the same subliminally manipulative tactic.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I can’t really answer that, as I have only been peripherally involved. It certainly looks like the more superficial ministries place an emphasis on appearance over substance.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      How cruel and inhumane! Stories like these make it nearly impossible to contain one’s rage at the arrogant psychopathology that drives this so-called human being. I can barely type his name anymore. It’s as if in doing so, I’m validating his existence.

      I’m so called you survived (physically and mentally) and are here in the Bunker with us.

      I don’t believe I’ve said, “Welcome to the Bunker” yet, Safeweb, nor introduced myself. People call me Cars. I hope you drop by often and comment frequently. It’s great having you here.

      Court days are long so grab a comfy seat and help yourself to drinks and snacks. The coffee and liquor bars are located in the back of the Bunker, next to the popcorn machine, and there are plenty of other snacks, caek, and good humor to be found. Please help yourself and let us know if you need anything.

      • safeweb

        Hello, nice to meet you too.

    • aquaclara

      The RPF experiences like this give me the chills. In your short story, we can see exactly what’s wrong.

      Because in the non-Scilon world, here is how events work. We don’t run. We plan well. We use equipment to help move the chairs, the tables, the ice and the party trays. We all do our job, and work together to make sure things look great. Highly trained, licensed contractors rig lighting and well, the rigs. We get paid fairly. There are tips for the wait staff. And we go home at night to a cozy, clean bed with a soft pile of pillows, and family that loves us. And clean bathrooms fully stocked with tp.

      Slave labor is illegal, and maybe soon, we will all get this shut down.

      I’m so glad you’re here. Share your stories. And we’ll celebrate your new life on this beautiful day, with lovely blue skies….

    • http://mncriticalthinking.com/ Chris Shelton (Galactic Patrol

      Oh those halcyon days. I’d actually forgotten about the fun of running up and down that damn parking lot in the hot sun and the insanity of the “chair drill”. All at a dead run lest anyone think you are “slacking”. Ugh. Slave labor indeed.

    • Juicer77

      Ick. Welcome to The Bunker, where the chairs are comfy and you are allowed to take a break when you need it!

  • Xique

    Thanks Tony, thank you Karen , and thanks a million to Chris. You each inspire me with your meaningful work , your perseverance , and your kindness in helping others. Myself being just one of many being helped, I’m sure.

  • jeff

    OK ….K de la C’s video was hilarious and to the point. Go, Karen!

    • Mooser

      I don’t know about that Karen lady. Kenny Chesler (country songwriter) say’s she “embraces” a “variety of people”. Wait a minute!! Karen is really the naughty lady of Shady Lane!”?

      • jeff

        But she apparently does not embrace moose.

  • baddog5623

    Court now session: Wallace Jefferson is up

    Wallace Jefferson: ” Your Honor, we should win becuase the plaintiffs and their lawyers are stupid Pie Faces. I would like to ad that I had no help from the Pope of Scientology in writing this brilliant case winning argument. Just so there is no question as to why we should win, we want to show the court a video of how David Miscavige is saving the planet.”

  • ze moo

    Thank you Karen and AGP, nice video. I loved the tent revival scenes. So Zimbabwe was schooled in ‘human rights’. Did they get Robert Mugabe’s approval for that? It is still one of the most repressive and dangerous places on the planet. The clampire keep 3 billion dollars out of the psychs pockets? Bullshit, and I know bullshit.

    Chris Shelton’s vid kicked the $cieno gonads perfectly. His criticism hit the mark perfectly.

    Even the tabloids are jumping on the ‘who/what killed Peaches Geldoff’ bandwagon. One blames the CO$ and the purif for her death.

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014/04/scientology-forced-peaches-geldof-on-purification-ritual-starved-to-death/

  • Mark

    Excellent video, Karen. But surely you missed one obvious comparison for Chairman Davy? (Refresh):

    • CharlieWaters

      What is Snortimer saying?

      • Robert Eckert

        I believe that’s “son of a bitch” in Russian

  • DamOTclese2

    Would ya just bugger that dwarf! already? Good grief, the insane criminal should have been dragged in to court wearing chains and an orange jumpsuit decades ago already.

  • Frank Lee

    All of this legal wrangling over deposing Miscavige is an effort in futility. Scientologists NEVER tell the truth. My experience has been going to court with a Scientologist is like hitting a moving target. They will forever change the subject rather than answer a question, then redirect the topic to some fabricated counter allegation that is so outrageous that no one is prepared to address it. Even judges end up confused, and that is the ultimate goal. if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle ‘em with bull crap!

    • Juicer77

      I hope Judge Waldrip keeps a tight rein on this kind of thing. However, not sure how strict he can be during oral arguments. They may have a lot of room to meander, as we know they will!

  • Bradley Greenwood

    “Greed” IS good… it’s SELFISHNESS that is not. When was the last time anyone here refused a raise? Greed. I was an Economics instructor for nearly 30 years, and I made sure that students knew the difference. It was Gecko’s methods that made him such a reptile, otherwise making money, honestly, is laudable. And yes, “greedy too. John Stossel did a report on ABC some years ago that clarified this matter very well.

    • Missionary Kid

      I looked up greed online. Every definition had the word selfishness in it. Merriam-Websters said “a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed.”

      • Barbara Angel

        Mustravage has a clear case of money sickness. “too much, will never be enough”… hopefully the whales will also read the financial report and close their wallets.

        • Missionary Kid

          Sadly for them, they won’t. Information like that is entheta, and they’ve trained their minds to avoid it.

      • Mooser

        Thank You MK. I also think he made a bad ‘sophistry’s choice’.

      • Bradley Greenwood

        Who sets the bar? How much is enough? Is it the same for everyone? When does someone have to say: “I have enough, I am done”? A rare occurrence indeed.I stand with what I said, greed and selfishness often go hand-in-hand, but they are two separate things.

        • Missionary Kid

          Yes, they are two different things, but every definition of greed has some form or the word selfish in it. That, to me, is a pretty good indication that greed is a subset of the term selfish. The word “excessive” is a judgement call, but, again, Of course, your mileage may vary.

          Synonyms:avarice, cupidity, acquisitiveness, covetousness, rapacity. I would suggest that those tend more towards negative desires than simply wanting to do better for oneself.

          I believe Stossel often redefines terms to fit his purpose. While he doesn’t redefine terms to the point of a $cientologist, it is that type of underpinning for his opinion pieces that make me suspicious of him. IMO, Stossel selectively chooses the facts to fit his premises, either ignoring counter arguments or treating them as straw men.

          The reason that Krusty is so fat is that when faced with temptation, she doesn’t say, “I have enough, I am done”. Neither does dm. That point is too easy to disprove.

        • kemist

          It happens.

          Not everyone wants to dedicate their lives to acquiring things.

          For a lot of us, this part of our lives is a hassle that we submit ourselves to in order to be able to do more interesting and creative things, things that we take pleasure in sharing with other people.

          The characterization of greed and the so-called “monetary incentive” as the only thing that drives each and every human being to get up in the morning and do stuff is an overly simplistic and inaccurate view of how humans think.

          Sometimes we do very hard work or take decisions which do not benefit us personally at all.

          For instance, I and other students would spend whole nights perfecting an end-of-term project beyond specifications, work that would give us no increase in mark or any other type of prize whatsoever. All the students, with very few exceptions, did it. Those that did not are generally not very talented in the field.

          I also know people (including myself !) who left their jobs for one with a lower wage because their current one was boring. So much so that recruitment for these boring jobs, despite excellent pay and conditions, is very difficult, and personnel tends to rotate at a very high rate.

          As part of a group of people whose creative work will probably never belong to us again personally for all sorts of reasons, I wish the greed of those people who own that work would reach a limit.

          In the last few decades, these people have exploited the love and dedication we have shown for our work to drive our compensation so far down that with the debt we incur during our education, it will become impossible for us to continue that work, and innovation and the search for knowledge will inevitably die.

          It is already happening. Except for engineering, fewer people are getting an education in science in developed countries, because it is not worth it as an investment.

    • kemist

      When is the last time anyone here was offered a raise ? Raise that you needed in order to maintain your current way of life in face of inflation, and therefore is difficult to characterize as greed ?

      And if you were, are you a member of a union which negociates it for you on threat of strike ?

      That is an effective result of your employer’s greed.

      Another is the awful waste of all kinds of resources around the world, from food to fuel, and the attendant environmental damage that results from it.

      I can’t say I am a fan of greed.

      We can do better.

      • Bradley Greenwood

        I am absolutely opposed to SELFISHNESS. But, without greed, benefactors of legitimate causes would lose funding. We have made “greed” a bad word, because it is most often tethered to selfishness.
        I respect my fellow Bunkerites, but I am immovable on this, and understand where you are coming from. Free speech is the most valuable commodity of all.

        • chukicita

          Motivation is not greed. Motivation can be selfless; greed cannot.

      • Bradley Greenwood

        Jonas Salk was “greedy” in sense that he desperately sought a cure for polio. He was, however, incredibly selfless. He did not seek a patent that would have made him a billionaire. Also, the Salk example is not my invention…I got that one from Stossel.

        Also “greed” is NOT necessarily a money issue.

        • Robert Eckert

          “Jonas Salk was “greedy” in sense that he desperately sought a cure for polio.” ??? That is not one of the senses of that word.

        • kemist

          That is a usage of that word I have never seen.

          I’d use ‘driven’ or ‘passionate’.

          If Salk had been greedy, he’d have sold his vaccine instead of giving it so that other people don’t get sick.

          Salk made enough as a doctor and did not want more.

          • Bradley Greenwood

            “Greedy for knowledge” is not a rare description. That’s my point… it’s how we DEFINE greed that is the issue. If you believe that greed and selfishness are the same thing with different words, then of course “greed” would be bad.

            • kemist

              I’ve never heard it.

              Greed involves hoarding things exclusively for oneself.

              The “thirst for knowledge” that scientists have always involves sharing, which is the complete opposite of greed. I know of no scientist who does not want to publish.

            • chukicita

              A quick dance on Google shows greed defined as an ‘intense and selfish desire.’ It is also defined as ‘an excessive desire for more than is needed.’

              Consider that there are a number of human worldviews that (still) hold greed as an undesireable trait.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Here’s “greedy” in the context that seems dare not speak its name. At 1:25. Explain to me how this is negative:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kX6rf9uw7w

    • jeff
  • Barbara Angel

    Listening to Mustravage rave on about the importance of human rights is just so *OUTRAGEOUSLY* Hypocritical… He treats children and the SO members less kindly than his dogs, yet can stand up and tell bare faced lie after bare faced lie??? And then his victims are forced to applaud??? That’s doing my head in and the poor North Koreans have also been starving and suffering for decades. Well Kim Jong Mustravage maybe it’s time the men in white coats came and took you away. I really can’t bear to see him smirking and lying like that. Oh how hard it must be for the poor victims of his Blatant lies, my heart really goes out to them.

  • Lori Hodgson

    GO TEAM MOSEY!!! ❤️

    • joan nieman

      Oh Ya! Lori!! Always a pleasure to see you here.

      • Lori Hodgson

        Thanks Joan!

  • Pierrot

    Prevent co$ to entrap more vulnerable victims?
    Join the RED X team and flag co$ ads on craigslist.
    No commitment, no travelling, no donation,
    You only need some time at your leisure

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-71#post-2443769

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    ty Chutney

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Nailing down your post so hopefully it won’t disappear.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Done – go get the first Boston in RECENT – a bunch of fresh blues, 1 hour old.
      Put ‘em out of their misery.

  • InterestedObserver12

    The Chris Shelton video is excellent. One point I am not clear on is who, ultimately, owns the Ideal Orgs as real estate. If the buildings and land are, as I suspect, the property of CSI and not the local org that pays for them, the program is a clever way for CSI to launder its ill-gotten gains by having local orgs buy real estate for CSI, fattening CSI’s investment portfolio to the tune of tens, maybe hundreds, of millions of dollars.

    • Barbara Angel

      ‘wee davey’ does. He has an empty swimming pool filled with $100 bills (a la Scrooge McDuck) and dives in naked every night.

    • Mooser

      Another question might be; ‘who pays the property taxes on these buildings which don’t generate any income?’

      • Missionary Kid

        Many governmental entities have property tax exemptions for buildings used for religious purposes. If Co$ is challenged, they put on a dog and pony show, including Sunday services, and getting people (in the past) to put on the backward collar of clergy, and calling different people “minister.”

        • RMycroft

          They run into problems with the buildings that they bought years ago to be Ideal Orgs, but never renovated them or even maintain them. Depending on the local laws and the backbone of officials, an unused building isn’t being used for religious purposes and doesn’t get the exemption.

          If local staff levels continue to drop, he’s going to have to have a traveling dog and pony show to keep up the pretense of operations.

          • Missionary Kid

            Your last sentence occurred to me after I finished typing.

            In a way, the lawsuits against the local ords that haven’t done anything to improve the properties that were bought makes me wonder if thsoe buildings are owned by the org or some arm of Co$, and carried on the books as an asset, value set by purchase price and depreciated over the years that they have sat, unused. I hope that civil suits by cities end up grabbing the buildings, if nothing else, to tear them down.

            AFAIC, anything with the $cietology double-cross on it is an eyesore.

    • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

      Not only is ownership a mystery, but there are rumours that the bOrg pays rent back to teh criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology. Sweet deal, for the Co$. (For the sheeple, not so much.)

    • ze moo

      By incorporating under different names, the clampire can easily hide who really owns the local mOrg. The Portland Oregon mOrg is listed as being owned by the ‘Church of Scientology’, but it doesn’t say what corporate entity that is. There is an interview with the exec director who claimed that the mOrg was locally owned, but other ideal mOrgs are directly owned by CSI.

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    • RMycroft
  • NOLAGirl

    Something very interesting to read while waiting.

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/bob-sharon-graham/

    • Mooser

      I guess we are going to be waiting a long while?

      • aquaclara

        …unless 1:30 Texas time comes earlier where you are, yes.

    • media_lush

      Gossipy tidbits ….

      “Kirstie Alley was on OT3 at the same time and I would word clear her occasionally on the materials. I remember the first time I met her, Harold took me aside and explained that she was an actress who was inclined to “show off” instead of confronting the materials. He told me, “Be aware of it and keep her under control otherwise she goes “on stage” and becomes very difficult to work with.” He seemed to be intimating that she was a bit psycho and I didn’t totally understand where he was coming from, but I got the gist of it. Actually the word clearing went OK with just a few spastic outbursts from her, but I couldn’t help but think, “Good god, what is she doing on OT3? This girl is dingy!” Only later did I see her on Cheers and recognize who she was. But, anyway, I muddled my way through OT3 and went on up to do OT4 and finally OT5.”

      …in other words even the scientologists handling her thought “she was a bit psycho”…. that’s some feat.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        “This girl is dingy.”

        Now there’s Comm…!

    • Mark

      It’s a fascinating tale – especially the bit about the dreadful ‘Freewinds’ as a sort of prison-ship where nobody can escape the reggers.

      • NOLAGirl

        I’ve never been a ship-traveler, is it common for passports/documents to be taken when you board for safety purposes? I can see this being something if you’re traveling waters filled with pirates, but aboard a supposed “cruise” ship it seems paranoid and scary.

        • Mark

          On any normal ship it’d be entirely optional whether the purser locked your valuables away for safe-keeping, just like a hotel. Supposedly “LRH policy” on the Fartbags inherited from the days when the Sea Org was actually seaborne – but really just a blackmailer’s charter.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          NO. Absolutely not. In fact, when I have cruised to other countries, we had to show our passport as we left and entered the ship. Clearly, this was done on the Freewinds to ensure that “guests” could NOT leave or enter at will.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Stunning, how much BS he put up with for hoe many years. Powerful mind control there.

      • NOLAGirl

        I hope these public coming out stories will become as regular a thing as a new lawsuit. The more of these people that speak up, the less disconnection can be denied, and hopefully the less teeth it will have. I pray their daughter wakes up and comes back to them.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Thanks for the heads up about Bob and Sharon Graham’s story posted in M. Rinder’s blog today. What a powerful and well written story about Bob’s 35 year involvement with scientology and the disconnection (x2) from his daughter and family. I encourage everyone to read it.

      It is no surprise to most of us but to hear it from a long time member like Bob, who only left in 2010, is pretty remarkable IMO:

      “I feel sorry for those who still cling to the hope that LRH was anything
      other than a man who created a philosophy that he was able to pawn off
      as a religion while amassing an incredible amount of money and power. I
      believe his driving force was, attempting to understand his own mind. To
      that end, he became a victim of his own endless exploration into his
      mind. I also think that the more one does Scientology – the more one
      becomes – like the mind of L Ron Hubbard because after all, that is what
      most of his writings were really all about. He was desperately
      attempting to interpret his own mind. His research into the mind of man
      was actually, LRH looking at his own thoughts and imagination, writing
      them down and issuing them as HCOBs and HCO PLs and calling himself –
      “Source.”

      (refresh) portrait of Bob and Sharon Graham

    • BosonStark

      And then they wanted another $40,000 for…

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I tend to see the Dainty Miss and his credulous followers more like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzbhbetwYFU

    • Mark

      Snortle! “It’s Hedley, not Hedy, you provincial putz!”

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Harrumph!

        Harrumph, harrumph!

        • Mark

          “Where’s my froggy? Where’s my FROGGY?!

    • DamOTclese2

      Can’t you see that this man is a Ni!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        The sheriff is a’near?

        • DamOTclese2

          How are we this fine morning?

          I don’t know. Are we… black?

    • Mark
      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Just clearing the air…?

  • aquaclara

    Sending huge cheers to TEAM MONIQUE down south today. Great lawyers, and great clients.
    Let justice + peace prevail in Texas today.

  • mightandglory

    It never ceases to amaze me the things that Scientology takes credit for. My skin crawled while hearing him take credit for human rights.

    • Barbara Angel

      Ditto, the shocking hypocrisy is hard to take.

      • mightandglory

        Whenever I see these things it puts me in a tizzy for the rest of the day

    • outraged

      Scientologists are the reason anything ever gets done anywhere in the world because Scientologists are saving the planet, keeping humans from starving to death, making peace between nations. Pretty much anything that is good in the world is the result of Scientology and anything that is fcked up is because of the Bunker.

      • Barbara Angel

        And the plague of SP’s like us that need to be handled??? I really feel deeply for those poor Kool-aid drinkers life must be truly horrible for them.

        • DamOTclese2

          There are 7 billion SPs. If these insane loons are going to “dispose of us quietly and without sorrow” they had better start slaughtering us.

          358,192 people are born every day and 154,889 people die every day. If these insane criminals want to catch up, they had better start gassing subways.

      • mightandglory

        &^%$#@!

      • DamOTclese2

        Our heroes.

    • DamOTclese2

      You should see these insane crooks’ Twitter accounts, they really do play pretend in there, lumping themselves in with Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, it’s utterly insane and amusing.

      • mightandglory

        any suggestions?

        • DamOTclese2

          For Twitter accounts of these Scientology dipshits claiming to be human rights somethings? You can start with:

          HumanRights.com ‏@UFHumanRights
          The Way To Happiness ‏@WayToHappiness
          Volunteer Ministers ‏@ScientologyVM
          Youth 4 Human Rights ‏@YFHumanRights

          But the number of Twitter accounts they have is in the hundreds, all of them being used to spew outright fraud.

      • vistaril_LOL

        those all his past lives???

    • Dr_Orpheus

      I can remember several years ago reading an email from Scientologists patting themselves on the back for a slight dip in the LA crime rate. They were the only ones doing anything to help people, so it was obviously a big win for them.

  • Observer

    Apropos of nothing, the pic of Monique at the top of the article is really lovely.

    • Tony Ortega

      It’s from “Scientologists at War.”

  • TDA1541A

    It seems they like to blow up things according to their Imagery

  • baddog5623

    THE BALLS
    To go in to a courtroom and say DM is never involved in this issues, while taking bizarre marching orders directly from him to call him the Pope and show videos that say he is saving the planet to a judge. THE BALLS THAT TAKES!

    • aquaclara

      I wonder if Ricky Gervais has overhead viewing tapes from his courtroom showing how the lawyers scrambled to get every word sent to Miscavige’s typist? Hmmm. Probably have the evidence on one of the attorneys’ laptops. Or if a lawyer will ask whose direction was it to file the writ in the first place, or why Marty was selected in the first place?

  • nottrue

    ……..

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      SNORTLE.

      They said “sold out.”

    • 1subgenius

      The bigger they come the harder they fall.

      • aegerprimo

        VERY good point!

        • 1subgenius

          And its been said many times, many ways. (Virtually nothing I say or do is original)
          “When the underdog is hungry the favorite might fall” (Don and David Was)
          “The Harder They Come The Harder They Fall” (Jimmy Cliff)
          David and Goliath–the Bible
          “Freedom’s just another word for nothin’ left to lose”–Foster/Kristofferson

          I usually root for, if not bet on, the underdog. Makes the outcome far more interesting.
          And there’s the psychology of defending vs. being a hero. (Please no lrh references)
          Who has the mental edge?

  • vistaril_LOL

    Hope Jefferson gets humiliated. Gawd knows how he can look his kids in the eye if they google any of this shit.

  • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

    Good luck to Monique and to her legal team.

    I hope this eventually gets brought before a jury who gets to hear Captain David “he is NOT ionsane!” Miscavige explain on oath the purpose of all these delays. And I hope that DM remembers how well it all went in Georgia where NarCONon ended up losing the right to be heard in court.

    The legal process should be followed, but willful abuse should not be tolerated indefinitely. I will leave it to the court to decide if the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology has been using the law to harass as their dead criminal ringleader L Ron Hubbard dictated in:
    “The Scientologist, a Manual on the Dissemination of Material.” This
    article first appeared in “Ability, the Magazine of DIANETICS and
    SCIENTOLOGY from Phoenix, Arizona”, Major Issue 1, published “circa
    mid-March 1955″

  • nosce

    The only purpose of having W. Jefferson is to hopefully intimidate the plaintiff’s legal team. But as we have seen Leslie Hyman has proven herself to be a worthy adversary—I expect her to prevail today!

    • InterestedObserver12

      I think they brought in the past chief of the Texas Supreme Court to intimidate the judges who are hearing the case.

      • dagobarbz

        As the Supremes have demonstrated, the position has something to do with legal skills and everything to do with how low they’ll bend over for their corporate masters.

        So Jefferson is a tool who also happens to be a judge. Big deal, so’s Judge Kreep here, and he ain’t all that and a bag of chips.

  • TDA1541A
    • Watergate

      That’s a rather flagrant use of hand motions in oral argument there, Justice Jefferson.

    • 1subgenius

      Nicely done.
      I am, somewhat sadly, reminded of a hemorrhoid remedy TV commercial of long ago.
      I thought at the time, if it only reduces them from that to there, what’s the point?

    • 1subgenius

      I post separately to indicate that the humor in your caption is long-lasting.
      Kudos.

      • TDA1541A

        Captation challenge for all ?

    • 1subgenius

      OMG, I hope no one researches the second verse of Kinky Friedman’s “They Ain’t Makin’ Jews Like Jesus Anymore” to see why it reminds me of Mr. Jefferson. And my apologies to him.
      I would put a link to the lyrics, but let’s see who, and how many here are paying attention.

      • Robert Eckert

        You know I gave it a listen.

        • 1subgenius

          Just sayin’.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X RED-X RED-X

    While waiting for ecclesiastical harassment appeals,
    why not have some delicious RED-X – chase the blues away.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-71#post-2443769

    ty ap

    • aegerprimo

      I calmly RED-Xed them today. BBL….

  • wwwRESEARCHINGcom

    Hello everyone, I am just a lurker here and have been a lurker ever since Tony was at the village voice. I love to hear everyone’s success stories. Keep up the good work! I have learned a lot coming here to the bunker. I found this radar link. I was reading through the comments and see some are still not up with the program. I find I get more knowledge from the comments then the stories ( sometimes ) I understand it is off topic and should go back to Tonys blue book post. However, We are here today. Good luck, Monique Rathbun :-)

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/04/church-of-scientology-book-value-revealed-tax-documents/

    PHOTOS: Hollywood Stars Who Are Scientologists
    http://radaronline.com/photos/celebrities-who-are-scientologists/photo/355751/

    • joan nieman

      Welcome wwwSerchingcom. It’s another exciting day in the bunker and always lots to share.

    • Her_Royal_Blondeness

      Welcome! You picked a great day to introduce yourself! Grab a chair and some popcorn because things should get interesting once the updates come out of the courtroom in Texas. Oh, and if Baby is around, she probably has a Mango Margarita for you.

  • Missionary Kid
  • Pierrot

    Urgently demolish this scilon’s advert that has achieved FAVORITE Status on CL

    http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/eve/4410248416.html

    • CharlieWaters

      It seems that all the Boston area Scilon adds on CL are being favorited, most likely by JJ/James who inundates the Boston CL area with Scilon adds. This has been going on for awhile, and it seems rather pathetic. Here he is in action:

      http://boston.craigslist.org/search/?sort=rel&areaID=4&subAreaID=&query=scientology&catAbb=sss

      Edit: If this isn’t abuse of CL policy, I don’t know what is.

      • Sherbet

        I’m dumb about this stuff. What does it mean to be favorited?

        • CharlieWaters

          Apparently, so am I. I think maybe I favorited some of the Boston are CL adds hoping it would make them easier to track. When I clicked on the Favorite button, it cleared the Favorite thing from all the Scilon adds. It also may have something to do with the number of times the add is clicked.

          I guess I’ll just stick to flagging them.

          • Pierrot

            That is all we can do flag them and if you are from the area complain to CL about the spam.

        • Pierrot

          In this case, on the last line of the ads, there is a button call best of with a little heart, if you click there you give the ad a gold star, if enough gold stars are collected the Ad is declared a favorite and is shown priority. see ruke on clicking on the [?] next to the best of field (right bottom line)

          • Sherbet

            Ouch! I’ll never click on that. I promise.

      • Pierrot

        Yes it is against CL policy, but only people from Boston area are suppose to complain, see reference to the link for complains in the introduction of the daily list.

      • Eclipse-girl

        The counter Ads that targeted foreign language students are gone. I assume that JJ got them flagged.
        I wish everyone would work on his languages ads or post more counter ads.

    • Pierrot

      Well done, everybody the ad is gone (as far as I can see)
      check it for yourself !

      This posting has been flagged for removal. [?]
      (The title on the listings page will be removed in just a few minutes.)

    • Juicer77

      I’ve been “heart” (best of) voting for the Red-X protest notices when I see them.

  • joan nieman

    Chris That was an excellent video. You explained the process the cherch uses to obtain mega bucks clearly and concisely. What a pleasure to watch! Thank you.

  • Captain Howdy

    I haven’t been able to get through to here in about an hour.

    • GalacticGreg

      yep me2

    • NOLAGirl

      Was just able to get back on here myself.

    • Just Dee

      Me either!

      • 0tessa

        Me too!

    • aquaclara

      me, too.

    • chukicita

      same here.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      ditto

    • Vaquera

      Speaking of which, Discus is going to start having sponsored comments, native advertising. I wonder if Tony can chose to opt out of this distraction.

      http://www.adweek.com/news/technology/disqus-goes-native-sponsored-comments-156873

      • Captain Howdy

        When are they going to start advertising on people’s headstones?

        • Sherbet

          I know a business that could start doing that right now: “This death was sponsored by Narconon”

        • TDA1541A
        • Mooser

          It’s funny thing. Sometimes you never know the depths of people’s political feeling, until you ask them what their epitaph should be. My wife insists that nothing but a famous Martin Luther King Jr. quote would do for her marker.

          • Sherbet

            I want mine to say “Vacant.”

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          I don’t know.

          But here is a headstone from a scientology cemetery.

          (refresh)

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Or maybe it should read:
            Only 999,999,952 years to go!

            Or:
            When Fraud Died, We Buried It Here
            Scientology, 1950 – 2014

            Or:
            Hey, yell at the ashtray.
            Not the ashes!

  • aquaclara

    Chris, this is a terrific video. I watched it this morning, and so admire what you’re doing.

  • Sarah James

    I love what Monique Rathbun stands for…fairness. The little runt of scientology David Miscavige, is a thief, a bully and hateful creep. Take this little pissant down.

    • Her_Royal_Blondeness

      “the runt of Scientology” ~ Love it! Paging Missionary Kid….new nickname for your list.

  • Theodoric of York

    Hello. I’ve been a lurker at The Bunker for several months. I’m a “never in” but am fascinated by the twisted world of Scientology and the way Tony tells the story. Never posted before, but I thought I’d share this news from my hometown of New Braunfels, TX: Former Texas Supreme Court Chief Justice Wallace Jefferson Receives Texan of the Year Award (http://radionb.com/news/local-news/article15987/former-texas-supreme-court-chief-justice-wallace-jefferson-receives-texan-year-award). If this was already shared previously, forgive me, I didn’t see it. Timely, given today’s hearing. And also revolting.

    • Theodoric of York
    • aquaclara

      and revolting, I agree…..
      But I am hopeful that Monique’s story will prevail today, fully and completely.
      The case is strong, and if there is influence-peddling that affects this, it will set a very bad precedent for those who try to do the right thing. Oh, and also it can be appealed. And then the former Justice won’t look that good after all.

      and welcome! New Braunfels!

    • chukicita

      Nice find, thanks for sharing here. According to the article, Jefferson gave remarks to open the 48th Annual Texas Legislative Conference. Heh.

    • nosce

      There is only one comment on that site.

    • DamOTclese2

      A “Texan of the year award” — ROFL! As if being from that third world shit hole State is something to be proud of. :) Texas is a shitting Republican paradise that only Fox “News” rightards want to live in.

    • Juicer77

      Welcome to The Bunker! Always room for another friendly face.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Welcome.
      make yourself compfy.
      There is always room for one more.
      The are snacks in back and beverages in the fridge and freezer

    • Robert Eckert

      “Texan of the Year”? What, Louie Gohmert wasn’t available?

    • Vaquera

      It was the Texas Legislative Conference who decided that Wallace Jefferson was their Texan of the Year. The more commonly known Texan of the Year is the one chosen by the editorial staff of the Dallas Morning News which, for 2013, was Those Who Answered the Call at West (responders to the fertilizer explosion in the town of West, TX).

      The Texas Legislative Conference is a statewide nonpartisan organization of Texas business and political leaders who meet in New Braunfels each year to discuss public policy issues.

  • Science Doc

    I hope our people had a nice lunch of BBQ Brisket or Tex-Mex.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X RED-X RED-X

    Justice, ethics, fairness, decency
    versus
    ecc-sleaziastical terrorism

    VOTE HERE
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-71#post-2443769

    ty Baby

    • Eclipse-girl

      safety

    • K2P2

      yes, to red-x

  • xenuYESxenu

    Dear Chris Shelton: Thank you for the video, but, scientology ins NOT a church. nd they are not clearing anything than their hypnotised and mindraped victims’ wallets and accounts.

  • DamOTclese2

    Well? have i missed it? Has the public buggering of the dwarf begun yet?

    Get your hands off of me you damn, filthy wog!”

    Come on come on come on…

  • cdub

    Thanks Karen for the video explaining the endless applause we’re all obligated to offer to the leader of Scientology. Left alone, Scientology clearly expects to run countries and empires someday. That was Hubbard’s dream after all.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Hi folks! Just checking in and wishing Mosey’s team the best! I have my lucky cowboy boots on…

    While we are waiting, this article makes me chuckle on so many levels: http://www.designntrend.com/articles/12540/20140409/tom-cruises-fat-face-oblivion-movie-star-eats-away-katie-holmes-divorce-depression.htm Apologies if media_lush or someone posted this already.

    • media_lush

      “Attendees at the Jameson Empire Awards in London were shocked by Cruise’s gargantuan head”
      nope, but it will be added to my next blog

      • Once_Born

        He is obviously training for his role in the upcoming remake of “Zardoz”.

      • Sherbet

        It’s full of Body Thetans. And ego.

      • Mooser

        “Attendees at the Jameson Empire Awards in London were shocked by Cruise’s gargantuan head”

        He reveals new talents all the time!

      • GalacticGreg

        A little known point about film acting. The bigger head (physically) is coveted, as it is considered the optimal by powers that be (filmmakers). Take a look at R Pattinson’s gigantic cabeza. If you look expressly for a performer’s head size, in comparison with everyday individuals, there is, oftentimes, a bigger head than average size in that closeup onscreen.

        • media_lush

          it’s always surprised me how many genuine movie/rock celebs look considerably different in real life. I’m 5’10” and stood eye to eye with Schwarzenegger in a lift once… was amazed how gorgeous Steffi Graf was face to face… Kate Moss’s face is almost compellingly magnetic when you see it.. no wonder she’s still working. It is surprising how many of the great actors are quite diminutive [with big heads]… Pacino, Hoffman, Duvall, are positively tiny. I think the king of the big head to small body is not an actor but Mick Jagger. I look forward to when software will be included in movies where you have a “adjust for real height” button – rather than Cruise kissing Cameron Diaz he’d be attempting a motor-boat.

    • media_lush

      … shame they didn’t have a go at a shoop

      pic

      • Observer

        Jenny Craig can help him with that.

        • Sherbet

          Observer, if you were here, I’d hug you for that. I’m laughing, no, ROARING out loud.

        • media_lush

          out of curiosity I’m trying to think if he’s ever advertised a product… ever? Travolta’s got that airline and Breitling… ‘spose a timekiller might be to guess what [legitimate] products he could shill for.

          1] Any company that makes lifts for shoes

          2] Bounce proof sofas/chairs

          3] Car insurance (you know accidents and all that)

          … feel free to add others

          • noseinabk

            He had some ads for Breitling watches. You may enjoy his old Bandaid commercial too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVz_yaz6Arg

            • Vaquera

              Now my eyes need a shower.

            • noseinabk

              Sorry. Had to be done.

            • Sherbet

              Today, his “hair” would rinse off and down the drain. Unless, of course, it’s drawn in permanent Sharpie.

            • noseinabk

              Top secret pic of JT attempting to do without his makeup people.

            • Sherbet

              Laughing, nose.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              At :16 Travolta checks out the guy next to him in the shower and does it again just before the end

            • noseinabk

              Hahahaha! Didn’t catch that before.

            • Robert Eckert

              He does it right at :02 also

            • Sarah James

              Never saw that before. He does have an eye for the guy.

            • media_lush

              found this ad for Mastercard that Cruise did

              http://youtu.be/CseNZzMG6zw

            • media_lush
          • Observer

            I couldn’t find any Tom Cruise commercials on YouTube, with the exception of movie trailers, not even any Japanese ones.

        • Vaquera

          Hey Kristie, would you consider TC “circus fat?”

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    Go Monique Rathbun and Leslie Hyman!

    You’ve got a Bunker load of people cheering for you. Good luck today. Squash Wallace Jefferson’s appeals and his client into that hot Texan asphalt.

    (refresh – for a repeat of Mark’s steamroller shoop)

    • Jgg2012

      Don’t use a steamroller on an ant.

      • Mooser

        I’m not, taken all around, as much of a ‘shoop’ fan as the next fellow, but I like that one!

  • 3feetback-of-COS
    • Baby

      OMG I love this 3 YEP… You want to get a Huge Laugh On National TV just mention Scientooney

      ( EccccSLEAZYastical leader The Honorary Captain Five One ) is nuthin but a JOKE

      • Mooser

        Taking a slap at, or doing a critical report on Scientology is a near-weekly event now in the national media.
        A far cry from the ‘hands off Scientology’ times.

        • 3feetback-of-COS

          Every little bit helps!

          • Mooser

            What I’m hoping is that maybe the media (other than the internet communities devoted to the subject) is ‘catching up’ on their Scientology knowledge, and when critical events happen this year (as they must) they will be reported in real time and with a workable understanding of the subject in the national media.

    • media_lush

      here’s the exact moment when he says it… see her face; man, when you church is synonymous with hilarious laughter on a talk show that has to burn! Guess Cruise won’t be shilling his movie on Dave now.

  • Jgg2012

    One thing Chris touches on is a tactic that pyramid schemes use. Every failure is an excuse to demand more money. Product didn’t work? Buy more, and take the correct dosage. You can’t sell the books? Take training classes. You went clear, but still have headaches? Must be new body thetans to get rid of.

  • Jgg2012

    “No decision will be coming from the appeals court today” Scientology does not expect to win this. What Miscavige wants is for the court to wait a few months, decide, then appeal to the Texas Supreme Court and US Supreme Court before losing. All this, I’m sorry to say, could take a year. Miscavige will lose eventually.

    • Eclipse-girl

      The delaying tactics are an attempt to bleed the Rathbuns and Ray Jeffrey dry.

      Both Marty and Ray are well aware of this tactic

      • Jgg2012

        Ray is very familiar with Scientology.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Yes, he already has two wins against them

          • Panopea Abrupta

            And that’s just for starters, we hope ;)

      • Her_Royal_Blondeness

        I would venture to guess that while the Co$ attorneys are doing all they can to delay, DM is using his time being prepped in the very likely event that he will be deposed. Although, after seeing his Nightline appearance and reading his deposition from another case (can’t recall which one off the top of my head), I don’t think there is enough time in the world to keep him from making a complete jackass of himself again.

  • David Mudkips

    Where are the updates? Enquiring minds need to know….

    • Vaquera

      We’re told that no recording devices can be taken into the Austin courtroom, but as soon as our observers are back out with their reports to us, we’ll post what they tell us.
      -From Tony’s article above

      • Mooser

        If I’m not mistaken, the Bunker’s very own ‘Derek’ is there today? Did I read that yesterday? He said he could make it to the hearing today?

        • Robert Eckert

          Aside from Derek Bloch, Michael Bennitt is supposed to be there and perhaps others.

          • Mooser

            Well, I’m counting on Derek. He’ll see beyond the ephemera, and the effluvia, to apprehend the nub, or gist, of the proceedings.
            He will be like whosi-mawhatsis, who “brought the good new from Ghent to Aix” You know, the fellow who did the Gallop polls.

    • Eclipse-girl

      There hasn’t been a break in the court proceedings since they started after lunch. I am hoping for a break around 3:30 pm Central

  • J. Swift

    “MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.”
    – L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 9 March 1972, MS OEC 384

    • aquaclara

      Thank you for so many treats, J, from the tax returns to the videos from you and Karen, and the funny stuff, too. Today’s vid was pitch-perfect. We are getting closer.

    • TDA1541A

      Sounds like a rap song

      • FromPolandWithLove

        Gangsta Ron ;p

    • FromPolandWithLove

      You are doing great job! Best wishes and a lot of positive energy from Poland :):)

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: welfare for lawyers

  • Jo

    http://blindgossip.com/?p=61625#more-61625 – Peaches and Scientology?

    • Minion Gayle

      I don’t know if it is or not, but that’s what the majority of people on gossip blogs think. Which is a pretty good indicator of how the general public views Scientology.

      • Mooser

        Frank Zappa’s “Peaches en Regalia” was one of the most requested songs on our local classic-rock station last night.

  • Rita Gregory

    Go Mosey!

  • aquaclara

    Tony’s update this morning on the Garcia case has more significance, in my mind, after reading those tax filings. Everything rolls right up to the top, and it’s all focused on money.

    I hope the Garcia case continues to produce good information to help others get their money back, and show that the way the cult approached the selling of a bridge to nowhere, or an uncross, or a useless superpower with an ecclesiastically useless spinny thing is simply FRAUD.

    Good luck, Team Garcia!

    • Science Doc

      If you could get them introduced as evidence it certainly paints a picture of a very wealthy operation funneling in a lot of cash from different sources. It does not cinch making the case that scientology raised far more money than needed to build the Flag Building.

      • aquaclara

        We just have to keep working at it!

    • InterestedObserver12

      Just read the Garcia’s amended complaint. While the pressure Monique is putting on Miss Savage is amusing to read about and ponder, I agree, aquaclara, that the Garcia case has the potential to do the most damage to the cult. If the court ultimately certifies that $cientology’s internal refund/repayment procedure is a fraud, future disaffected $cientologists will be able file for their refunds in civil court and the cult will have to comply.

  • K2P2

    Late to drop in today. Thanks, Chris Shelton. Your videos rock!

    Hope there’s some news from TX soon.

  • Jgg2012

    News update: Kim Jong Un has just been reelected North Korea’s leader. I wonder what would happen if the Sea Org voted on Davey’s leadership.

    • Vaquera

      Vote for Davey! Get Free Kool Aide!!

    • Dr_Orpheus

      I’d predict at least a 200000% return for His Oiliness if they allowed BT’s to vote.

  • mook

    so apparently the cult is now being blamed for Peaches Geldof’s death as they should be. anybody else hearing this rumor?

    • Jgg2012

      The death certificate will not say “dehydration caused by Scientology” but there is a lot we don’t know yet. Did she do a purif? Did she shift from prescription drugs (opposed by Co$) to heavy drinking (not opposed)? We don’t know yet.

    • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

      if that’s the case, as i said to media_lush on twitter last night, sir bob will eat them for breakfast and shit them out at dinner….

    • Sarah James

      There are so many people that have died because they followed scion bs, and no one will ever know. If Peaches Geldof died because their negligence or under their direction, I agree let them be held accountable.
      ,

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: your only appeal is legal

    • nosce

      HAAAaa, I see what you did there! I like it.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      scientology = Insanity = “Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      That’s one for the Kid’s list!

  • Baby

    I think Most ( If not all of us) feel this way Cause I know I don’t give a Shit about how Tampon Davey feels..

    • Sarah James

      You got that right!

  • Satansthetan

    OT but did anyone else notice the quick Xenu reference on last nights Daily Show? Ridicule, the only thing scientology really works for.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Thanks for the vid Karen, another great one. And okay, the narcissistic megalomaniac really said this at about volunteer ministers at about 3:50: “There are 200+ agencies with whom we built a network of good will… Now factor in virtual cavalcades presenting online delivery everywhere else across 185 nations and territories while new logons to volunteer ministers dot org every 15 seconds bringing 2.4 million logons to the website across 2 million miles across 122 nations training 350,000 on VM tech, bringing scientology to 3.5 million people in last 12 months…”

    Numeric diarrhea. I cannot imagine where he got these numbers but he figures if you keep throwing more and more numbers out everyone will lose track and be duly left with the impression of “a lot.”

    • Robert Eckert

      “Now factor in virtual cavalcades…” That’s “virtual” in the sense of “not real; simulated”

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        exactly, it means in the ether somewhere perhaps out near Target 2…

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X RED-X RED-X

    Captain Five One, calling Captain Five One

    Yes, you, you malignant midget:

    Texas WILL depose you.
    We WILL dispose with your ads

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-71#post-2443769

    • Eclipse-girl

      protection

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      done!

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Yeah, thank you ;)

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Thank you for the reminders, I can just click when I see the reminder!

  • GalacticGreg

    “The basic financial picture is now in place: >$1.5 billion in real estate and at least $2 billion in cash.” — J Swift on $cientology Inc. financial picture, 13 hours ago.

    I just happened to see it again and was flabbergasted all over again!

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      I also like the rest of his comment:

      “The release of these 990-T’s means that there is now absolutely no reason whatsoever for anyone to ever donate money again to the Church of Scientology.

      The Church of Scientology is wealthy and does not need any donated money for decades to come. The Church cannot claim it is broke or needs money on a dire emergency basis. Those were all lies propounded to members by a greedy and fraudulent organization.”

      BTW, he also said there are more 990 T’s coming!

    • Jgg2012

      Yeah. Deep pockets. Low public opinion. No scientific validity. For someone wanting to sue a defendant, they are IDEAL.

    • http://www.cosvm.com/ Volunteer Ministers

      That’s just what the mob admits to, most likely it is 10 times that much.

  • nosce

    So they are worth close to $4,000,000,000.oo and still feel the need to file an anti-SLAPP motion against a young woman who was never a scio but married a man who left the church about a ddcade ago. WOW!

    • Observer

      It makes perfect sense in Scientology bizarro world.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      !!!

    • nosce

      This must be Scientology’s version of “let them eat cake!” Does any one know what happened then?!

    • aquaclara

      Catching up on today’s news, and oh, what you’re saying is so true. If the cult appeals the anti-slap, this number will make for quite the sound bite/foot bullet!

  • Obviously

    Not bouncing up fast enough? (Warning: “Jackass” Not For Everybody)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_4DoIqRUeA

  • Sejanus

    What is the difference between David Backstabbage and a turd?

    One you can flush and the other is an annoying piece of shit.

  • Obviously

    The Gospel According to Miscavige is scripted and rehearsed to a fare-thee-well (and for the video bits pre-recorded?), but he still says “hunnerd” (not “hundred”) and “tuh” (not “to”). I would have thought he of all people would want to fine-tune this a bit. Of course the whole crazy bunch are linguistically tone-deaf, so I won’t start hoping their diction will ever be better than their grammar and punctuation. Their crimes against English are irrelevant in the long run. Oh, and I also hate all the little flashes going off during these big fat fake production numbers — excited audience members are not taking pictures. And do we really need the crazy spotlights? All that cheeze just isn’t healthy!

  • Sejanus

    What do you get when you cross Dandy McCabbage with Krustie Alley?

    A tiny chupacabra.

  • Tony Ortega

    NEW POST UP

  • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

    IANAL, but I’ll try to give a recap as best I can.

    The whole thing started off with one of the judges asking how to pronounce David Miscavige’s name.

    First Wallace Jefferson stood up to talk. He started off laying the general stuff: this is a dispute between the Church of Scientology and Marty and Monique Rathbun that has been going on for years. Originally it was Marty who started a campaign against the Church by posting up his blog, etc. Monique made herself a part of the conflict between Scientology and Marty by posting things on Facebook. He brought everything up to date, saying that Monique has been seeking a deposition from Miscavige since the beginning. Then reiterated the idea that CSI is the responsible party and if it were found to have committed wrong-doing, which he assures the court won’t be the case, that CSI has the means and resources to make good on such a judgement. That in light of the fact that David Miscavige didn’t have a role in the activities and that he has never been to Texas to perform any of these activities, this becomes Monique seeking an apex deposition. Now, he says, Monique and her legal team have had the chance to depose many members of RTC and CSI and that in none of their depositions did they ask pointed questions about David Miscavige’s involvement or lack thereof in these activities taking place in Texas. This shows a lack of good faith on there part, he says, and that Miscavige shouldn’t be pulled away from his “ecclesiastical mission” just to satisfy their desire to depose him. Then he said that a Texas court has no jurisdiction over David Miscavige and that if Monique wants to sue him she needs to do in California and there will be no argument over jurisdiction.

    One of the judges (the female one and forgive me I know none of their names) said that she thought one of the primary questions here was whether or not by submitting to a deposition, is the person really also submitting to jurisdiction? Wallace Jefferson didn’t seem to have a good answer for that, because that’s when he turned the argument into the idea that Monique’s team had ample opportunity to question intermediaries about Miscavige’s activities or lack thereof in relation to this case, but they did not ask those questions. he says they did not ask those questions because they didn’t want a negative answer. Another judge then asked, would it change things if–hypothetically–all other defendants were dropped from the lawsuit and Miscavige was the sole defendant. I’m not sure why he asked that or what the implication was–it seemed like a strange question to my untrained ear. But Wallace’s response was again, no it wouldn’t change things. That’s when he said in that case Monique should sue David Miscavige in California. Finally the same judge asked did Waldrip get to review all of the depositions, and Wallace seemed to get oddly defensive at the question. Answering (and obviously all of this is paraphrased to the best of my ability) that no, but even if he did it would still show that Miscavige should not be deposed and that Monique failed to show food fail in her questioning of the intermediaries being deposed.

    Leslie stepped up and started her argument out by saying that in the history of TX law no court has ever applied the apex deposition rule to a named defendant in a lawsuit. Then she asked how could anyone else know David Miscavige’s actions with relation to this case better than Miscavige himself. She then said, if David Miscavige had come to Texas himself and taken pictures himself and so on, that they wouldn’t be in the appeals court at all and there’d be no question about deposing Dear Leader–I mean Shorty McFistToCuffs. Instead he used agents to do the work for him and now there is an argument over jurisdiction. Everyone in the court room was calling that the “agency argument”. She said that basically, whether Misavige had done the activities or he used someone else to do it, it doesn’t change the fact that he should be deposed for his own actions. One of the judges then asked if she asked the intermediaries being deposed about David Miscavige’s actions and additionally, if they didn’t have the information she was looking for, then did she ask who she should be asking? Leslie then brought up the point about Warren McShane admitting to knowing little about what Miscavige was doing and pointed out that David Miscavige’s office is not staffed and no one really knows what he’s up to at all–except for Miscavige of course.

    One of the judge’s then asks about her theory, saying that is she assuming just because of Miscavige’s authority, is Monique’s team assuming that he knows what is going on? Leslie’s response was that they have evidence which indicates that Miscavige was aware of what was going on. She also pointed out that in prior cases the appeals court did not question whether or not the trial judge had ruled correctly when he ordered a deposition. As it should be in this case, the court should go into this assuming that Waldrip’s ruling that Miscavige should be deposed was correct in the first place.

    After that Leslie went into the discovery process and basically said that despite their extreme efforts to pursue written discovery that the defendants failed to provide any documentation at all in, in fact, claimed it did not exist. Which Leslie said that she and her team have ample evidence that contraindicates that claim. That Scientology does keep detailed records and reams of paper related to all operations, so the evidence must exist somewhere. She then went on to say that they had requested the deposition of Miscavige after Scientology’s team was uncooperative in discovery, basically being left with the idea that no one knows anything except for Miscavige. One of the judges returned to the apex idea, asking if she thought that Waldrip in his ruling was trying to follow the apex deposition rule. Leslie responded that even though Waldrip did not consider this an apex deposition that he felt that the rule would have been satisfied anyway. Then one of the judges asked again, why Leslie thought Waldrip didn’t review all of the intermediary depositions before ruling. Leslie basically implied that he didn’t need to because there had been ample information shared over the months that this trial has been going on. Then when it came down to the wire the proceedings were interrupted by an anti-SLAPP motion which took precedence because of the time constraint, and that was why Waldrip didn’t have time to review all the intermediary depositions. She then said that she thought he had read all of the depositions, but hadn’t had time to sort through Scientology’s numerous objections. Which then made clear to my why Wallace had acted defensive about the question when he was asked–he knew it was his team’s fault that Waldrip made a decision.

    Then one of the judge’s asked Leslie about the directed tort rule, and the alter ego rule. Do these apply to the case. That’s when Leslie emphasized the “agency argument”–that Miscavige had used agents to act on his behalf in Texas which is basically the same thing as if he had carried out the actions himself. Then one of the judges asked about Leslie’s assertion that DM was reaping personal benefit from these activities. Leslie answered by saying that she felt it was more of a psychological benefit in the satisfaction he felt from his vindictive activities, she wasn’t trying to say that he was receiving monetary benefit.

    Wallace came back up and complained that Monique’s team keeps changing their argument that they were “all over the map” with their jurisdiction argument: first they said it was general jurisdiction because Miscavige had been in Dallas for the opening of a church; then it was alter ego; now they are arguing jurisdiction by agency. Then he repeated his argument that Monique’s team had the opportunity to question intermediaries about Miscavige’s involvement in other depositions, but they failed to do so. Then one of the judges asked how Wallace would direct the court in their review of the case and Wallace replied, “Abuse of discretion.” Then said that the court should deny the deposition because Monique’s request to depose Micavige was not in good faith. He also got in a bit about how there were declarations from former church officials that Monique’s team relied on to support their request to depose Miscavige, but that those declarations were out of date and that the church was entirely different than it was back in the days of those people. That the church has taken a whole new turn and that those people in those declarations have no idea what is going on today.

    The whole thing was 45 minutes. I couldn’t tell whether or not the judges were leaning one way or the other by the time they left. I also thought they’d have more questions. I felt like the judges had a lot more questions for Leslie than they did Wallace.

    There’s the best I could do. I’m sure Tony will have input from others, and I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong here! It’s tough to decipher some things with my untrained ears.

    • outraged

      wow. Do you know shorthand?

      Thank you!!!

    • Observer

      Thanks, Derek!

    • Mooser

      Wonderful! I hoped you would let us have your report on the hearing. And here it is. I’m glad I didn’t go right to the new post. Thanks Derek.

      • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

        I also posted it on the new post! Wanted to make sure I could share with everyone. Thank you and yes details, details.

    • aquaclara

      THANK YOU, DEREK!!!!!
      1,000 smiley faces for representing us there in the courtroom today, and compiling an excellent synopsis.
      :)

    • Robert Eckert

      You done good. Excellent summary!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Thank you, Derek.
      Great job.

    • Elar Aitch

      Oh noes: “Monique failed to show food fail in her questioning” foiled by “food fail”. Sorry to have an autocorrect joke Derek – the summary is wonderful

      • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

        Lol! Oops “good faith” :-x

  • Sejanus

    If Tom Cruise and Kirsty Alley started dating…..

    could their Hollywood couple name be Cruis’n’Alley? or KrustyTom?

  • Sejanus

    Does Davey Buttstabbage need a step stool to use a urinal or does he just use SO members and stand on their backs?

    • Obviously

      Use a urinal? I took it for granted that Mr. Miscavige was far too busy being ecclesiastical all the live-long-day, and that he had neither the time nor the inclination for self-indulgences such as bathroom breaks.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejEcOMqBvpY

  • Sejanus

    So the Co$ stonewalls in court, then has summary judgements against them due to their own tactics of delay backfiring. All this done to protect Dickless Mandamus so he is free to spread the good word of his religion which in all accounts is well documented as being corrupt and morally bankrupt.

    One would think he would welcome the chance to take the stand to prove his superiourness to a wog world.
    Alas he will instead cower behind lawyers willing to twist the intent of law in order to shield a scumbag and con artist.

    There is nothing promoting honour nor decency within that organization….NOTHING.

    It would be laughable if there weren’t human lives destroyed by it.

    • Obviously

      Miscavige would be about as successful in court as a dummy-sans-ventriloquist. What he has there is a failure to communicate, yet another of the un-funny funny ironies.

  • Jgg2012

    btw, has anyone noticed the irony that Comal County is near San Antonio? This case may be Davey’s Alamo.

    • Elar Aitch

      Marty and Mike did a special blog post about this when Debbie Cook’s trial came up near there

  • Pierrot
    • Robert Eckert

      Safety post.

  • kemist

    OT and don’t know if this has been mentioned here yet, but bunkerites should be careful about their secure transactions on the web for the next few days :

    http://www.zdnet.com/heartbleed-serious-openssl-zero-day-vulnerability-revealed-7000028166/

    There is a major security hole in a popular implementation of the SSL protocol (the encryption protocol that is used when you connect sites with the little green lock) that makes it possible to anyone to read whatever is sent over the net, including passwords. It exists since 2011, but it’s received a lot of publicity since yesterday (which means blackhat hackers might develop a sudden interest). The patch has been released, but not all websites have applied it yet. You can check if the site you’re using has corrected the bug by pasting it address on this website:

    http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/

  • Estine

    Why is Monique Rathbun referred to as “Monique” while the men in the article are always referred to by their last names? Sure, the article starts off respectful but then later on Ms. Rathbun becomes “Monique” while David Miscaviage, the judge, and her husband are called by their last names. The familiarity is inappropriate and disrespectful even if the author is on her side.