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Three weeks out of Scientology: Fresh information from a ‘blown’ Sea Org member

Jillian_SchlesingerKaren de la Carriere has an amazing video for us this week. She talked to Jillian Schlesinger, who left Scientology’s inner “Sea Organization” just a few weeks ago after 12 years of dedicated work.

Joining at only 18, Jillian says she was working 19 hour days and taking home only about eight dollars a week — and yet some of her pay was set aside in order to contribute to birthday gifts for Scientology leader David Miscavige.

But there was one thing Jillian told Karen that should — in a just world — get the attention of the Internal Revenue Service. Here’s what she said:

There was an analysis done some months ago, probably about six months ago now. And he [David Miscavige] had reviewed that in Florida, there’s about 2,000 Sea Org members, and they send up $1.5 million a week to him. Then, looking in all of LA, there’s about 2,000 Sea Org members, and they were not sending up that much to him every week. So, he wanted a huge rearrangement of staff, and then to make a, in-house, out-of-Sea-Org-member, construction unit, so that we could save money doing it ourselves, even though we have no training in construction, and then we don’t have to hire anyone. And then I was doing that for about the last six months.

Wow. Karen tells us that Jillian spent much of her time at the Hollywood Guaranty Building on Hollywood Boulevard, and some time in Bridge Publications, which puts out Scientology’s books. She says that Jillian tells her 80 percent of Sea Org at Flag are now Russian nationals.

So check out this great interview. Karen’s really outdone herself…

 

 
The best part — Jillian told Karen that more than a dozen other longtime Sea Org members all “blew” — ditched Scientology — in recent days, and we’re hoping to talk to some of them soon.

Now, on to our weekly feature, Sunday Funnies!

We suspected that Michelle Stafford’s decision to quit The Young And The Restless might have had something to do with the fact that another longtime actor on the series, Michael Fairman, has become a vocal critic after leaving Scientology (and has frequently been featured here at the Bunker).

So what’s Michelle up to after giving up that sweet gig? Well, she’s got this going for her…

 
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Someone help us understand what’s going on here…

 
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We’re really not entirely sure about the theme of this rockin’ party. But it looks like folks had a helluva time writing big checks!

 
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L. Ron Hubbard is my buddy! He’s such a buddy, he wants all my money and wants me to snitch on all my friends and family!

 
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Hey, Paul, how are those OT superpowers working out for you?

 
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We loved the visual style of this one.

 
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Philly in the house! Wow, we almost never hear from the City of Brotherly Love…

 
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A reminder of tonight’s shindig in LA…

 
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Eric looks so excited…

 
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An Ideal Org convention on the Freewinds! What will they think of next!

 
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Yeah, just keep telling yourself redoing the Student Hat is a great use of your cash, Jim!

 
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Thanks again to our great tipsters.

And here’s a bonus! Tiziano Lugli has posted another of his fun photos from back in the day when Kirstie Alley used to hang out with the Lugli family. Doesn’t she look like she’s having fun? Yes, that’s Tiziano’s ear about to get her tongue-probe….

 
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Hey, Kirstie, take a look at what your old friends are doing now!

 
Also, here’s video of the 60 Minutes Australia presentation. For Bunker readers, this is mostly old news, but the interviews with Monique and Marty are really good…

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 23, 2014 at 07:00

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  • NeverIn

    The Mr. Jim’s Pizza thing raises a question for me.

    The only orgs I recall seeing in person are Flag and Dallas, but I understand that Ideal Orgs are supposed to be conspicuous. The Dallas org is anything but. It’s a non-descript office building in a suburban neighborhood generally known for its concentration of Indian technology professionals. The remarkable things about it (for a Texas office building) is a treed lot and golf course view. As the crows flies, it’s a stone’s throw to a main artery through DFW, but road-wise is actually well off the beaten path. Because of hills and street curves, the one ground-level sign is only visible to people literally passing its driveway.

    I can only conclude they are hiding it.

    Anyone know anything?

  • Narapoid

    Wow, spring has sprung and all the entheta is in bloom. What a great week plus this has been for getting the Cult’s dirty laundry out…. and here we are in the Bunker laundromat!

    I haven’t been in the rabbit hole quite a year, but what a time to be watching this thrashing monster eat itself. The thing is busting down from within and enmasse escapes/blows are the indicators. I know that some sad things are coming, there always is in $cio, but I am giddy at what will be spilling here and soon all over the wider media. Thanks Tony!

    All the power to Jillian for speaking out, for the other SO members who blew and to the lurkers who come out looking for the strait scoop instead of mind-steer propoganda.

    I stand by my Foctober 14,2014 end date for the betting pool. Media lushes shot

  • Kirstie, I want you to know that among us Lizard People, you’re our queen, you really are.

    • Vanfan

      Looks more like a mid morning snack :0

  • Just Dee

    I am not sure if Russia has it’s own You Tube, or channel, but it would be great if this video could be posted there – with language translations.
    It was a great interview with a lot of current information. It sickened me that Sea Org members busted their ass for $50 a week; making $8 ….. I am absolutely speechless.
    I wish Jillian nothing but the best for her future. She obviously has to be one strong young woman to do an interview this soon. She has nowhere to go but up! I hope she has the support she deserves.

    • Artoo45
      • Just Dee

        Thank you!

    • TDA1541A

      Enjoy L Ron Hubbards planning of the taking over of Clearwater smuggling in money and people with fake identities. Damn when he trolled, he trolled big. Things on Rutube stay up.

      LRH briefs Jim Dincalci – Project Normandy
      http://rutube.ru/video/aed971fb351820ca6b570cf62a881775/

      • Just Dee

        Wow TDA, thanks! I listened to a little. It’s very interesting. I bookmarked it so I can listen to it later and explore that site a little more.
        Thanks again!

        • TDA1541A

          Much obliged. And a great thank you to whomever uploaded that.

  • “So, he wanted a huge rearrangement of staff, and then to make a, in-house, out-of-Sea-Org-member, construction unit, so that we could save money doing it ourselves, even though we have no training in construction, and then we don’t have to hire anyone.”

    Sure you had experience! Lots of it! Didn’t you mock up buildings with clay demos? That counts as experience in construction, enough so I’m sure you would pass any inspections for your work! Assuming the city ever hears about it and sends inspectors backed up by law enforcement to inspect the work!

  • screwsci

    From Time Magazine: Which Professions Have the Most Psychopaths? So I guess COB would rank #1 on this list followed by his legal dept?
    http://time.com/32647/which-professions-have-the-most-psychopaths-the-fewest/

  • Sibs

    I’m pretty positive $8 is less than what a homeless person makes per week in LA, but the only article I can find about it is a radio station piece where they pretended to be homeless and made a lot of money. One of my friends did a missionary program downtown where they tried to live on $5 a day (because that was how much that particular group estimated the homeless in Skid Row live off of), and she said they were living off of ketchup packets. And even that is more than what someone in the Sea Org makes these days…

    Which all seems like an evil control mechanism to keep them dependant on the Scientology organization so they can’t leave.

    • Captain Howdy
    • Missionary Kid

      Sea org members do have a place to sleep and are fed, so it is not an apt comparison. On the other hand, they are completely dependent on $cientology for everything, have no health insurance, and no chance to save any money. If they leave, they truly are out on the street with no where to go.

      • Sibs

        Exactly.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology is like pizza, it’s all about the dough.

    • Missionary Kid

      “Scientology is like pizza, it’s all about the dough.” will also be put on the list of things said about $cientology when I re-post it.

    • TDA1541A

      With religious topping

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ll add that to the list, along with the first. Thanks.

  • ga-LAX-ee

    60 Minutes Australia missed the real story. The cut and paste scientology reply was rightfully treated with the respect it deserved by not even being given air time. HOWEVER, one aspect of that reply should have been examined.. The answer to question 2 about the Rathbun’s harassment is a demonstrable lie. They repeat the shopworn accusations about the suit being a made up money grab. Hello? CS International admitted to the harassment in court. This should have been made abundantly clear to viewers.

    • GalacticGreg

      Yes- at the same time, they stated it was their “religious right to protest” and their religious expression of their religious rights is *not* harassment, iirc. That is $cientology Inc.’s claim. They are ready to lose; the C S I has already admitted the deed. R T C and Miscavige are trying to throw C S I under the bus, but it may or may not work. Staying tuned…

    • ga-LAX-ee

      More fun with their reply… ‘We have no “compounds”, we have Churches’. A church is a building anyone can walk into. Could just anyone walk in to their ‘church’ in New Mexico? 60Minutes Australia should have tried that instead of just hovering over the top of it.

      • grundoon

        60Minutes Australia should try walking into the Dundas RPF compound and see how much it resembles a church.

      • BosonStark

        How about Super Power, can anyone walk in there and have a look at the oiliness table and the smell wall? Too sacred and secret you say? It’s a compound! Gold Base is a compound and Flag is a compound.

  • tweeter

    Excellent interview Karen.

  • El Con Blubbard

    Excellent coverage on Monique Rathbun. Excellent video Karen and thank you Jillian – for having the courage to speak up!

    Miscavige won’t enforce the gag order contract – he would not want the slave labor conditions disclosed to more media coverage and another jury!! I hope the media runs this story into the ground. Sara’s story last week now this and 12 more Sea Orger’s perhaps speaking out! We are winning!!

    Certainly this should speed up the IRS revocation of the Non-Profit Status if anyone in our government has one drop of integrity!

  • mirele

    I’m concerned about what’s going to happen to Jillian Schlesinger and the others who have apparently blown from the Sea Org. Remember when Leah Remini left? She made sure to take her family with her. What kind of support group do these former SO members have to assist them as they make the adjustment to non-cultie life?

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Since she is in touch with Karen DLC, I’m sure she will be fine. Maybe connect with some extended family that is not in the cherch.

  • TongDaddy

    Im a little shocked that Philly is in the house, the Ideal Org building is a shell with no sign whatsoever of renovations and the existing org WAS for sale. That flyer may well indeed be the entirety of Scn’s in this area haha

    • Just Dee

      The last I heard about Philly was the city was suing scientology for having a 15 story building vacant for over 6 years. It surprised me also.

      • TongDaddy

        yea they are being fined/sued over the building. I was past the building last summer and its literally a shell and probably getting worse daily, when I get a chance Ill swing by and snap a few pics

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks.

  • 1subgenius

    Re: 60 Minutes
    Interesting that the issue of “cult” vs. “church” was raised yesterday, and as I was watching I was feeling very strongly that Miscavige should be referred to as a “cult leader”, and then Rathbun used the term “cult”. And when the interviewer suggested “religion”, I Rathbun said, I think, an insightful thing.
    “It is a religion. Its a religious cult.”
    I hope we see more of this word.
    And, in my opinion, “cult leader” should always precede a reference to Miscavige.
    .

    • Mooser

      “”It is a religion. Its a religious cult.”

      And which religion is Scientology a cult of? Usually, when somebody says, “religious cult” they mean a fanatic sect, or break-away group with a charismatic leader. I don’t know if calling Scientology a “religious cult” makes anything more clear, unless (and I shudder to think this) Rathbun considers Mr. Miscavige’s Scientology to be a fundamentalist cult within the religion of Scientology.

      • 1subgenius

        “Usually….”

        But not always.
        It doesn’t necessarily make anything more clear, but it sidesteps the conundrum deftly.

      • TDA1541A

        Technicly the word religion means:”that what binds (you)”

        • ze moo

          So a nice helping of cheese and my intestines are ‘religious’?

          • Mooser

            Ah yes, mangel-wurzel to purge, and cheese for a costive. Ancient remedies.

        • Mooser

          However it would be churlish to pick his phrasing apart. The sense of it isn’t hard to grasp.
          It’s just that his comment section makes me nervous, and I had been reading it.

  • Vanfan

    I just love Scientology’s statements against their “apostates”. I just can’t imagine why they think being so vicious against their enemies helps their public image.

    • ga-LAX-ee

      They’re so far inside the bubble I’m not sure the homo novises know or care about how their confront and shatter tech looks to us homo sapiens.

    • D.Y.G.

      Hubbard’s doctrine is to attack, never defend.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        His naval record proves it – attack magnetic deposits, attack your allies’ islands, …

        The doctrine may be attack – but he let his legal dogs and his p.i.s do it for him.
        He preferred to run off to sea or hide in a Winnebago, cowering in his craziness.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Brigade

    Go get ’em, the ads are toxic and need a RED-X Purification.
    Scroll down past the Recent Entries list for fresh BLUE ones in Boston

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-65#post-2438002

    Ty ap

    • aegerprimo

      For the love.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for Mar. 23: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #17,306 – down 3 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 16,096)
    Scientology: US rank #39,152 – down 976 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 40,178)

    Difference: 21,846 – 973 more than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 24,081)

    Clicks from India – 3,3% today.

    • Mark

      Oh, please let this be the start of another precipitous fall for the red line, and not just a slight droop!

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        They will fall again, and they will rise again, and fall again. This is a pattern for them. No stability at all. Totally suppressive.

        • aegerprimo

          Rollercoaster! The Co$ is PTS. They are not a potential trouble source, they ARE trouble.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            You got that right!

      • Once_Born

        Judging by some of Hubbards “affirmations” http://www.ronthenut.org/admissio.pdf ‘droop’ is a Scientology tradition that began with ‘Source’ himself.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: The odds are good that the goods are odd

    • Missionary Kid

      I put that on the list of things said about $cientology, but I’ll post it later.

  • media_lush

    does anybody speak Belgian Flemish here? … or rather can read it?

    • Robert Eckert

      run it through google translate as dutch and only a few words won’t be picked up

      • media_lush

        it’s a screengrab… and I’m just being lazy

    • TDA1541A

      Flemish is Dutch sorta so yeah

      • media_lush

        I tweeted a pic I got from imgur with this comment “Belgium WTF is wrong with you” to a bunch of top Belgian twitterers and loads of them have been retweeting… here’s a sample of them… just a gist of what they’re saying would be fine

        2 pics

        • DamOTclese2

          Republicanism is a problem world wide, it’s not just the United States that suffers from it.

        • TDA1541A

          It’s De Morgen not Morgan meaning “The morning”, WTF is that a shoop or spoof or are our soutern neighbours so….

          As for the text

          “Vladimir Putin is President of Russia
          He sent in this contribuition on our request, and choose “because of little time” pictures instead of text”

          Bottom text: “Obama not going to (see) Panda’s”

        • Sidney18511

          THAT is a disgusting picture you sent out.

          • TDA1541A

            Don’t shoot the messenger

          • media_lush

            did you even bother to read my comment?

        • PoisonIvyHerself

          Disgusting. (Not you, Lush. The picture.)

          • media_lush

            I’ve never had so many retweets … ever… and they’re nearly all from Belgium (most of them had over 30,000 followers)… I googled top Belgian tweeters and the site was quite serious.. mainly journalists and political commentators… I think one of those I tweeted was the top sportsman (a cyclist).

        • Robert Eckert

          Roughly:
          Bram Yes, it’s satirical. But I think that Barteeckhout is working up to saying “sorry”. See his last tweet
          Tom That’s nuanced, but even so… I saw the tweet
          Bram My meaning is that it must be allowed. Bush also was compared with an ape in the context of Russia vs. America and I understood that also.
          Bram Probably he was not meaning to imply that blacks are apes, but it was still a very risky form of critical humor.

          • Robert Eckert

            Tom There must be satire of course. The Wilders saga [Wilders is a far-right politician who goes on and on about the Muslims all the time] undoubtedly plays a big part in my assessment. Also, a weekend without seeing any newspapers and hardly any Twitter.

            Bram But many people are going to find that inappropriate, regardless of whether they see humor in the piece.

          • media_lush

            I don’t think you can compare what that guys saying about Bush as a monkey with the pic in question

            pic

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Newest Russian territory grooming feeder is Reality Busines USA, formed in September 2012 by a gathering of the usual suspects, including your vet GO boys, Arte Maren and Lynn Irons, Vlad Musatov, Jim Mathers, and not gettin’ any younger Michael Bang, Patrick Valitin, Bud Reichel and others. Gene Zharkin’s name and photos have been scrubbed from their FB pages and Yout Tube pages. Since his death from jumping or something off the Clearwater building this year, Gene became an overnight Unperson. There were notes he worked with Michael Bang, and also Liz Peacock. They appear to me to form up a spidey web of scientology businesses and staff and provide some kind of wormhole to Clearwater, FL.

    Here’s a picture of Russians and a note on their FB page, garbled through Google translate.

    “Guys in Muzhdunarodnoy company ATManagement Group is now open vacancy supervisor (coach company, trained by LRH technology). We have an international company offices in St. Petersburg, Riga and Florida (USA). And now due to expansion are looking for young, active, motivated guys and girls! A lot of work, you need to create a great product! We have a very friendly young staff. We will be glad to see our team productive people! Please call 448 0724, 8921898 19 80 or pishitedaria@admintech.ru. Repost with perceived.”

    http://i.imgur.com/XtaDJg1.jpg

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      And for those who missed it, The Peacock family are the Russian counterpart to the Cardones and in fact have shared good times and photo ops with them in the past. Here’s Mila and Anthony, promoting Super Power for Christmas:

      http://i.imgur.com/Pd2XzHhl.jpg?1

    • Sidney18511

      Wow THDNE! This is really really sucky. Big time bad.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thanks THDNE. So this is how they get the 80% Russians SO at Flag. They have run out of English speakers. I feel so sorry for these young people.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I don’t know if the Green Card Marriages are still going on and I’m not up on the latest problems with visas, but Marry or Else was evidently going on for quite a while at Flag. Wish I could find that Tom Smith’s “The Edge” Hawk radio interview with the Russian guy. But here’s a blurb from sci cult, and reference to US citizens in context, Flag staff. A list was made up of who was on staff that needed a green card immediately.

        “It played out like this: All unmarried US citizens were urged to choose one of the people on the
        list to marry before they were forced to leave the country.

        At the same time, it was made clear to the soon-to-be-illegal workers that it was up to them to find a husband or wife, and to do it immediately. This was looked upon as their personal ethics situation.

        They were given only two or three months to locate a suitable marriage partner and get married.”

        – See more at: http://www.scientology-cult.com/green-card-marriages-fso-style.html#sthash.MKcpu1uN.dpuf

  • Sherbet

    As usual, the flyers depress me more than amuse me. All that self-congratulation over what? Victory from what? We can do it. Do what? Make a difference. Where? How? Since when does status = how much money is donated = spiritual growth?

    • Narapoid

      Yep, these flyers depress me too Sherbet.

    • Ardent

      Yes, I find them depressing, too.

    • KNMF

      Me, also. Especially the kids.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Ever since David decided that. Its easier than having to provide services which actually required trained people (auditors)

      • Sherbet

        The flyers and boasts say absolutely nothing. Apparently, these people are so dazzled by being on a flyer, that they ignore the fake language.

  • Jgg2012

    Question: With the Duggans, Feshbachs etc. giving them tens of millions annually, why can’t this poor woman have a shower or a day off? (note to Kirstie Alley–that was not an attack against “every Scientologist”. It was a simple question).

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Sociopaths don’t give days off.

  • nottrue

    Whales Rick and Vikki Petersen. Owners of HealthNOW medical center. BEWARE……

    • aegerprimo

      http://www.healthnowmedical.com/ – The only MD (medical doctor) there specializes in internal medicine.

      • TDA1541A
        • aegerprimo

          Heh heh. I am not a chemist… and to try and I find it a waste of time to try and make any sense of LRH’s “data” and the Xenu story. My bet is that he probably read something about various chemicals used to freeze tissue, and made up the story.

          • TDA1541A

            Well they arived on this eventually:

            “The alcohol-glycol in the Xenu story is propylene glycol.”

            I was just thinking you knew alot about seditives

            • Narapoid

              Sedatives? How about pinks, grays and Vistaril washed down with a nice glass of vodka? That outta shut up those BTs.

            • TDA1541A

              Yes those BT’s were based on the voices in his head weren’t they. After all he was a psychiatric patïent suffering from Paranoia Shizophrenia.

            • aegerprimo

              Benzodiazepines are used as surgical sedatives. Valium (diazepam) is quite common and is a anti-anxiety drug and muscle relaxant. I bet LRH used some of that as well, since it has been a popular recreational drug for decades. Because of that it is considered a Schedule II controlled substance by the DEA.

            • aegerprimo

              Popylene glycol is not a sedative. I do not know if it may be used in compounding or as a preservative for IV sedatives. I may ask an anesthesiologist tomorrow….

          • Narapoid

            Yep the “exact copy of a DC8 airliner, but with rockets instead of propellers”, he picked it because it was the newest airrcraft out after the Comet and 707.

            Here’s a pic of Travolta’s 707. The DC8 was a catch up copy.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        One real doc in the whole place.
        I saw that too.

        • aegerprimo

          Yep.

    • D.Y.G.

      The Doctor will see you now – and btw, she belives in Xenu.

  • Jgg2012

    How many Sea Org members are actually left? The smaller the Sea Org is, the harder it will be for Davey to argue that he needs millions of dollars from parishioners, or need lots of new buildings. It seems to be Davey’s little playground, and I call that inurement.

    • Sir_Real

      It’s very sad anyone, let alone youngsters, should be INURED to anything whether it be constant war and unrest or the whims of a megalomaniac.

  • Ardent

    I missed this 60 minutes when it was aired (still here but in ‘moving mode’ and disorganised). I thought it was a pretty good bit , and anything that is exposing the cult for what it is to a mass audience is a good thing in my view. Now to look at Jillian’s interview.

  • KNMF

    A kid goes into McDonald’s, clocks in, changes out all the trash-bags in the lobby, makes a run to the dumpster, washes his hands in the bathroom, then goes into the kitchen and makes three baskets of fries.

    Now McDonald’s-kid has been there for 1.5 hours, and he just made more money than Jillian did all week, even if she worked seven 12-hour days.

    News flash.
    David Miscavige owns you, and he treats you much, much worse than people treat animals.

    • aegerprimo

      And then after all the hard labor and pennies for pay, you have to contribute half of your pennies to buy him a birthday present? A man who lives in luxury and wears John Lobb shoes and expensive suits, owns a custom made motorcycle, several cars, has a personal gym, and god knows what else.
      Then as a slave you crash at night with less than 5 hours of sleep in a rat and roach infested dorm with several other people… and share a shower and a toilet with dozens of other people.
      Wait WAT!?!?!??!?!?!?
      Thank you Jillian for telling your story. The world needs to know how Sea Org members are treated. Prison inmates get a better life.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I didn’t know how to tell her, so I didn’t. But she is living and working in RPF conditions, not regular staff torture conditions, right down to the hours, the reno’s, as well as the shower situation. You have about 2 minutes to shower when on the RPF floor.

        So this is how David Miscavige got rid of the inhumane RPF.

        The son of a bitch just renamed it the Construction Unit, just like Disconnection.

    • Jimmy3

      That kid should be fired for taking an hour and a half to complete those simple tasks. But at least he washed his hands.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Jillian, I am sure Karen has advised you to do this already; please report these serious human rights violations to governmental authorities as soon as possible, or ask someone you trust to do so for you. There are so many illegal things Miscavige is doing, it is appalling. Even as someone who has followed the news about the church for years I am still outraged by your revelations. Miscavige is willing to spend millions on legal and private investigation costs to protect his throne of power, but he refuses to spend money on the construction he has ordered. Instead, he illegally forces his “flock” to do the construction rather than pay construction companies to do it. This violates so many local, state and federal laws, it is mind boggling…..

    Jillian, please see a doctor about the fiberglass you were exposed to, and a lawyer. You are such a courageous and tough woman, don’t let Miscavige harm the free and exciting life ahead of you.

    Because of Miscavige’s outrageous abuses, the church is quickly approaching critical mass. In science, critical mass is the point where there is enough fissionable material to sustain a nuclear reaction. In the context of the church, critical mass is the point that the church implodes because enough individuals (like Jillian) decide that they have rights and that they will no longer be Miscavige’s slaves and cash cows. At that point, the pressure from society to right the many wrongs of Miscavige is so great, law enforcement is forced to act. There is no question that this will happen, the only unknown variable is how soon will it happen.

    • PoisonIvyHerself

      Well-said. The fiberglass situation should be reported to OSHA, and a raid on Big Blue is in order. How many health laws are they violating in there? Come on, Fed. We’re tired of the crickets. If a dozen longtime workers JUST defected, NOW is the time to be debriefing them on every single human rights and workplace violation they suffered or observed. The fact that most Sea Org are Russian nationals should be troubling on many levels. Does Scientology hold their passports? Could they leave if they so desired, or would their passports be withheld?

      This is the law – if your passport is withheld from you by your employer, it’s illegal. It’s human trafficking.

      Just outrageous, and I always think I couldn’t get more outraged.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        PI, Jillian said it was Miscavige who told stated that 80% of Flag staff were Russian, and she hadn’t been in Clearwater. I don’t see this being true simply from the videos. There definitely are more foreign staff showing up, that’s from emails, leaks and videos.

    • Narapoid

      Yes, critical mass, it will come fast.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_hci9vrvfw

      • Once_Born

        Not many people know the difference between an explosion and an implosion.
        An explosion goes “Bang”
        An implosion goes “Gnab”

        • Missionary Kid

          Are you channeling Mooser?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      #1 See a lawyer #2 See the lawyer’s legal team #3 See all the professionals your lawyer wants you to see #4 See the birds fly over the gardens and beach and mountains while taking long walks and getting longer massages and shopping trips.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Other suggestions for Jillian:

        #5 Come here to tonyortega.org on a daily basis (or as often as you can).

        Scroll down to the posts of someone with the username “TheHoleDoesNotExist.” She is VERY compassionate and knowledgeable about the church of scientology. You can trust her. The information and insights she writes about on a daily basis will help you sort out and understand some of the things you have experienced and WHY you did. Her comments will also help you understand and be grateful that you were so very wise to leave when you did and did not wait a minute longer.

        #6 Get a Disqus username (the avatar can be decided on later – no hurry).

        Come talk to people in the Bunker if you get scared, lonely, or you need advice – on anything. You do not have to reveal your identity nor personal information, if you don’t wish to.

        We have open hearts, minds, ears, and arms just waiting for you – should you want to talk to someone who cares about you and your well being, even though we may seem like strangers now. The Bunker is an incredible resource for anyone to tap into and is full of equally incredible people from diverse walks of life and experiences.

        If nothing else, I’m sure one of us can make you smile, laugh even, on those days that are dark and difficult for you. Along with spending as much time in nature as you can (see Hole’s suggestion #4 above), it is equally important, in my opinion, to “work” at being playful and having fun, to chuckle, giggle, snickersnort (we’ll teach you that one!), and laugh as often as you can. It is very healing.

        Please drop by and say hello. No invitation needed nor pressure included. If lurking and quietly reading Tony’s posts and the comments here are all that you can manage for now, that’s fine, too. Please know there will always be a comfy seat ready and waiting for you.

        Thank you for being so gracious and courageous and letting Karen videotape your conversation with her. The information you have shared with her and with us is already very helpful and useful. I’m looking forward to more conversations between you and Karen. You are such a bright and impressive young woman and I am convinced you will have a very bright and happy future that is filled with exciting opportunities, hope, trust, affection, and genuine love. You deserve that and much, much more!

        • Narapoid

          #7 As you can get around dogs, enjoy them. Adopt one when you can.

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Ooohhh, that’s lovely. A walk in nature with a happy dog making you laugh at its antics and funny expressions. Nice.

            I wish this one for you, too!

            • Narapoid

              😉

  • Ardent

    Jillian’s interview was very distressing, yet fascinating. I would be interested to hear how she came to escape from the cult. Thanks Karen, great job! And best of luck, Jillian. Your future just became much brighter.

  • PoisonIvyHerself

    Tony, what a mind-blowing Sunday edition of the Bunker! Some classic “Sunday Funnies,” but Jillian’s interview is a blockbuster. Karen DeLaCarriere is unstoppable! There is so much in that interview to be deconstructed. Where are you, FBI? Where are you, IRS? OSHA? Crickets?
    These are KIDS who are suffering these abuses! Come on, do the right thing!
    Also, I was very impressed with the Marty/Monique 60 Minutes segment. It was a very well-done story and Marty and Mosey’s interviews were outstanding. Monique is a rock star. I’m sure she is the quiet force behind Marty’s transformation and decompression from the cult, and he is one hell of a lucky ‘Squirrel’ to have found her. That is one hell of a strong woman, a woman of principle, and I don’t think Miscavige has a chance in hell against her if this goes all the way to trial.
    The dominoes are falling, one by one. As Tory always says, “Tick tock,” Davey. Indeed.

    • Eclipse-girl

      i have to believe that Marty realizes how lucky he was to find someone like Mosey.
      I have to believe that as much as we see many things going on in this case, one very large thing is Marty wants to be sure of Monique’s safety

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        And their baby too.

        • Eclipse-girl

          absolutely

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      What you said. Good to see you. Quite a BAM day of the old one-two.

      • PoisonIvyHerself

        I’ve been lurking daily, just no time to comment lately. Tony is on fire. Haven’t been over to Mike’s in a while, either…maybe tomorrow I’ll catch up. Love ya, Hole! xo

        • Eclipse-girl

          He has had some good articles. From the info he has, the cult is falling fast.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          OMG Ivy, welcome back and it is worth reading all the internal emails that Mike has been posting!

  • Jimmy3

    I’m sorry if I’ve missed this, but which building is Jillian speaking of? Was it ground-up construction or a renovation?

    • Jimmy3

      I know the one she mentions is the Ideal Org in Vegas, and Tony mentions the Hollywood Guaranty Building and Bridge Publications. Are those where she was doing construction work or is there another building?

      • Eclipse-girl

        I thought the fiberglass incident was in Los Vegas.

        She probably was doing construction in LA, too.

        • Jimmy3

          That’s what I figured, but “construction” made me think they were building something new, so I was wondering what or where that might be.

          • Missionary Kid

            Construction also means remodeling.

            • aegerprimo

              In the Co$, “construction” can mean cosmetic remodeling such as painting and carpeting.

            • TDA1541A
            • aegerprimo

              I was on the Freewinds before the first maiden voyage, and there were LOTS of Sea Org members doing all kinds of construction; from painting and wallpapering, to installing new plumbing, electrical wiring, demolition of walls and rebuilding new ones, etc.

              http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?32871-The-Foul-Air-of-the-Freewinds-an-Ex-SO-Member’s-Story

            • Jimmy3

              Well then, there’s my problem. When I hear “construction” I immediately think of the process of building the structure itself, not decorating it or whatever. But everything always has to mean something else in Clamville.

            • Sir_Real

              All future mesothelioma victims, I fear.

            • aegerprimo

              Me too. (So far my lungs are okay.)
              ETA – another reason WHY we protest. Exposing people to carcinogens.

            • aegerprimo

              This girl Jillian and other people she was working with had to go buy their own protection, face masks and thin material to cover their skin to work in fiberglass. The Co$ is guilty of HEINUOS crimes.

            • Sir_Real

              Hope your lungs are healthy. How much asbestos in COB’s tiny lungs, or was he out of harm’s way on the Flea Winds? And is he/was he a smoker to boot? That would not be a good combination for an asthmatic dwarf.

            • aegerprimo

              The Freewinds is contaminated with blue asbestos, and always will be. No way to get rid of it except to sink it deep in the sea. I read somewhere that there is blue asbestos in the walls of Big Blue in Los Angeles as well. It was used as a common fire retardant before the 1970’s. Lots of info on the internet about blue asbestos and the difference between it and fiberglass. You can Google it or start here…
              http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-improvement/household-safety/tips/dangerous-insulation1.htm

            • Sir_Real

              Re blue asbestos: Big Blue, thus the name. “Stay Awhile at the Blue Hotel” as Lene Lovich sang.

            • Observer

              Super Power had more people in it when it was under construction than it does in any pic I’ve seen since it opened.

            • Eclipse-girl

              We know they had eleventy billion people in the building the day it was opened.

    • aegerprimo

      The point that got my attention is not WHERE the construction is being done, but that they are diverting Sea Org staff into construction crews and not using any OSHA safety standards such as PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) for safe exposure to hazards such as fiberglass and probably all kinds of nasty chemicals.

      Maybe the Co$ could get away with that on the Freewinds outside the USA with the blue asbestos contamination.

      • Jimmy3

        I got that point as well. I was only looking for some additional information about the story. Like I said, I thought maybe there was a new building under construction, but perhaps I was wrong.

        • aegerprimo

          I don’t know, maybe there was a subtle hint in the video we all missed. I will watch it again.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I think this is The reason the testing center opening/event, or Life Improvement center or whatever fantasy title DM came up with, didn’t happen, but almost did, for about 4 or 5 different days and times until Never Mind.

            • aegerprimo

              No, not never mind – you bring up a very good point! Us exes know (based on our own personal experiences) there was a lot of last minute painting and “construction” going on to get the testing center ready, or looking visually “aesthetic” for the opening that was supposed to happen. I wonder what ever happened with the inspection problem? that made it a FAIL to open and the resulting giant blue ribbon rotting outside for days and then finally getting tossed in the trash.

      • Missionary Kid

        Asbestos is far more dangerous than fiberglass. Since they are not sanding on the fiberglass, it doesn’t have the most dangerous properties of asbestos. Asbestos, when viewed under a microscope, has tiny hooks on the end which keep it attached to lung tissue.

        It’s still not good to breathe without a mask. Properly showering after working with fiberglass, along with changing to clean clothes and washing the used ones will avoid most problems with it.

        • aegerprimo

          Yes. Getting fiberglass imbedded in your skin or in mucous membranes like your eyes, and nose, can be dangerous. Yes you are right, asbestos is a cancer causing substance.

          You need something like this to work with asbestos….(F5)

          • Missionary Kid

            Yup. Fiberglass doesn’t require anything close to that.

            Without the little hooks that form on the ends of asbestos fibers, the body can get rid of fiberglass much easier. I wonder how many of the slaves that worked on the SS Mesothelioma came down with lung cancer.

            • aegerprimo

              Per the materials I studied on it (some links in my thread at ESMB above) – it can take years to manifest.

  • Nick Overmyer

    Hey everybody, lost my internet connection for a couple months. What did I miss!? Tell me everything!

    • Nick Overmyer

      Oh wait, nvm. I have like, a million articles to read ON THIS AWESOME WEBSITE

      • Eclipse-girl

        Check out Rinders Blog, too. There has been some important info there,

        • Nick Overmyer

          DID I MISS ANYTHING REGARDING TEX-MEX FOOD COOKED AND PREPARED ACCORDING TO LRH DOCTRINE!?!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X RED-X RED-X

    Lil Davey, they can run BUT you can’t hide

    CLICK CLICK CLICK Tick tock Tick tock Tick tock

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-65#post-2438002

    Ty ap

    • Pierrot

      There are important ALERTS, if you have already flagged the list roll down to the ALERTs.
      Those who have not yet flagged go through the list then check the ALERTs, the last one posted at 6:30pm NYT for Tampa is full of new entries.

      • aegerprimo

        I just flagged them! It was very satisfying.

    • Mark

      WWP seems to be down from the UK at the moment: I checked isitdownrightnow dot com and it confirmed the fault.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        No issues I can see now, Mark

        • Mark

          Was getting the blue screen that said try again for live, no archived version available – now just a plain “An unexpected error occurred. Please try again later.”

          • Mark

            And now it’s back again. Good.

  • media_lush

    … here’s a little cherry on top to satiate the lulz… The Christian Post of all sites is highlighting Jaden Smith’s “Twitter Insights About Love, (and) Commitment” (good grief the editor must have been drunk, ed)

    http://global.christianpost.com/news/jaden-smith-shares-twitter-insights-about-love-commitment-116647/

    • Mark

      Oh how I wish something would wipe that smugly contemptous expression off the arrogant little swine’s face. Anyone else like to sponsor the “dump a bucket of well-rotted slurry over Jaden Smith’s ugly head” campaign?

      • Sir_Real

        Oh I do so loathe this vapid, insipid little douche. What would your slurry recipe include, Mark? Heavy radiation flavoring, perhaps?

        • I think he needs something with a little ammonia and honey, the sticky and the stinky.

          • Mark

            (Evil chortling) I like the way you think…

        • Mark

          I think just liquefied and fermented dung would do – to start with – unless he refuses to learn the error of his ways…

          • Eclipse-girl

            No alcohol, he would probably enjoy it.
            Just fetid waste

            • Mark

              If he doesn’t learn his lesson, one could up the ante from cow-slurry to goat-slurry, before escalating things to lion-slurry and maybe hyena-slurry (carnivores being notoriously much more malodorous than herbivores).

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am all for that, but I would skip the herbivores and go straight for carnivores

            • Mark

              Fiendish!

            • Eclipse-girl

              so unlike me.
              But that stoner smirk deserves to be hit with a crocrete block

            • Mark

              Does “crocrete” have real crocodiles in it? Even more fiendish! 😉

            • Eclipse-girl

              yes. i like it. it reminds me a suitcase with lots of little feet.

              a block of concrete with lots of crocdilians

            • Mark

              Like The Luggage in Terry Pratchett’s ‘Discworld’ books:

            • Sir_Real

              The excrement of hyenas after an especially gluttonous all-you-can-eat buffet of rancid carrion, blended with Xenu vomit.

            • Mark

              Wouldn’t the Xenu-vomit have a disinfectant effect? After all, he probably spent his spare time in between shoving Thetans down volcanoes kicking back in those nice cosy Van Allen radiation-belts.

        • kemist

          Both ends of this :

        • Missionary Kid

          Could you be a bit more complimentary? *Snark*

      • Observer

        You might add his parents to the slurry ‘do list. Yeah, he’s a teenager, but if they’re following the child-rearing dictates of noted child psychologist l. ron hubbard, they’re not imposing any discipline or restrictions on him at all and in fact are not actually rearing him–just spoiling him. He’s still young enough that IMO they are still mostly responsible.

        • Mark

          I have a horrid feeling he’ll be off to Narconon before long.

      • SvenBoogie

        Just be even more cruel and force him to watch the movie his dad bought for him on repeat.

        • Mark

          Ye gods – even I’m not that sadistic! (Then again…)

      • media_lush

        I think if there’s anyone who could deliver the maximum take-down it would have to be the South Park guys…. I just wish I was the commissioning editor of the Comedy Channel and had some leverage on them

    • WhereIsSHE

      This kid would have been annoyingly self-important, no matter what religion (or cult) in which he was indoctrinated by his annoying, self-important parents.
      Can’t be bothered to care about him or his tweets.
      Can barely push myself to have compassion for him, though I know I should.
      He was born into this madness, like so many others we express compassion for on a daily basis.
      Yeah. Yeah. I know.
      He isn’t being worked to the bone in the S.O., but he was still subjected to this insidious indoctrination.

    • Sandy

      Oh, for the love of God. This over-indulged child is so, so, so annoying, I am moving into wanting-to-smack-him-mode and I don’t even believe in that sort of thing. I just wish my Dad was still alive, so I could turn this obnoxious kid over to him…

  • WhereIsSHE

    Are you sure that McCormick family “ad”/donation for the Philadelphia Ideal Org is new or even recent? *If so, this is even greater proof that LRH’s methods only serve to DESTROY one’s ABILITIES (to observe; to evaluate; to calculate; to KNOW).

    This building, purchased by the CoS in 2007, (at a completely overblown price, thanks to the Wall St. Greed-mongers who fabricated the real estate “bubble”, leaving countless people HOMELESS) is an ugly, vacant testament to Miscavige’s seriously IMPAIRED “business” model. Though it has been somewhat widely reported that the City of Philadelphia is currently suing Scientology over the “Ideal Org” location in “blight” court, with numerous neighboring businesses beating the drums, my search of the court dockets does not reveal any current action.

    I did locate 2 cases from 2011 against the original Race Street org location: a run-down, tiny store front in the seedy/barely border of Chinatown with negligible foot traffic, both of which were dismissed after a few months as “settled”, likely indicating the the org paid some fines to the City:

    Case NumberMatching PartyPlaintiffsDefendantsCE-09-03-72-0169CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGYCommonwealth of Pennsylvania, City of PhiladelphiaCHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY(D1)CE-11-01-32-0009CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGYCity of Philadelphia: Department of Licenses and InspectionsCHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY(D1)

    Nothing is listed for 2013 or 2014, as far as my search results indicate, so who knows what that means in terms of what steps have (or have not) been taken, officially, to rid the city of this ever-decaying edifice.

    However, anyone who casually walks by can see with his or her own eyes that this monstrosity is doomed and will never be resurrected.

    And the remaining, original org on Race Street –which serves all of Eastern PA; NJ and DE, from what I understand– is pretty much VACANT all the time, minus some very aged staff, sitting around, waiting for the 2nd coming of Hubbard magically appear and fire up a smoke from a stale pack of KOOLs.
    Or maybe they are just watching the dust collect.

    The point is, it aint a pretty picture of progress.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks, WIS, always good to have up to date info on these orgs. I’m waiting for the Cherch of the Fundraising God to start Bingo nights. It’s the only thing they haven’t tired. Maybe Monopoly Night.

      • They could sell raffle tickets, maybe hold a barbeque.

        • aegerprimo

          At least that would be more fun than just forking over money for nothing.

      • WhereIsSHE

        Two honest-to-goodness (*or badness, depending on one’s view) real (and current) CASINOS already exist in Philadelphia, and a third reportedly will be breaking ground for construction very soon, only feet from the old, original, seedy, store-front Philly org.
        It will go up –or pardon me– it will SKYROCKET to the TIPPY TOP of the gambling/entertainment BRIDGE soooooooo fasssssssssssssssst, it will make whatever Bingo and Monopoly Nights they could even begin to plan now completely obsolete.
        (This is not a town where a “wholesome” bingo night is going to fly. This is the city that David Lynch –of Blue Velvet.. and Twin Peaks.. fame, etc– credits with his obsession about the dirty underpinnings of the civilized facade in which people prefer to pretend to live. And what makes that even more relevant, is that he specifically attributes this to spending nights JUST AROUND THE CORNER from the Philadelphia Org, at the Greyhound Bus Station, around 10th and Filbert. Want to see the dirty underbelly? Want to see CARCOSA and the YELLOW KING madness, fans of True Detective, Season 1? Y’all don’t need to go all the way to the Bayou. Just head straight on over to the Philly Org and walk around the block.
        Yeah.
        It’s that fucking scary.

        If anyone receives notice of ANY kind of event at the old (only existing/functioning) Philadelphia Org, PLEASE post it so that at least one of us who lives in the area can document the comings and goings from the public street upon which it sits.

        BTW-
        Is there any way to know how deeply involved the McCormick family is? (or was, as the case may be?)
        Are they on course??
        Are they OT-whatever???
        I only ask, because even the old-time Philly True Believers (in all things LRH) have “left the building”, so far as I can tell.

  • GalacticGreg

    The $cientology parallel to the Christian religion scripture, “In the beginning was…” — presented by The Cherch of $cientology Inc.

    • GalacticGreg

      And even before that $cientology Inc. scripture, El Ron el Rey provided the world with this “scripture”:

      “No organization which can achieve individual immortality ever worries
      much about momentary hostility. And individual immortality is not only
      in our grasp but is now being achieved.” — L. Ron Hubbard, 24th November 1963

  • TXCowgirl

    O/T: The cake for LRH’s bday event at $cientology London last night. The candles and frosting job are cracking me up. Epic Caek….not!!!!

    • Jimmy3

      That girl on the left (Ellie Kemper’s twin sister?) is NOT impressed.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I saw it in an early post from this morning from Jo (I think)

      We were rather surprised at the Home made look of this cake.

      I hadn’t noticed that the candles were regular tapers.
      That is mighty sad.

      • GalacticGreg

        o/T: you mentioned you wanted a printed copy of Vance W’s book. Well, you can ask him directly for it. vancewoodward @ gmail. com

        I communicated a number of times with him over a year ago, when the book was 1st an electronic only, self-published piece by him or whatever iirc. But he’s very open and accessible. Just ask him where he thinks you could get a copy. I think he’d be happy to hear from a Bunkeroo and respond.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I did communicate with Vance, a couple of days ago.

          He was nice
          I told him a wanted a hard copy of the book.
          He didn’t offer.

    • Mark

      The more I look at it, the more it seems like a heap of cheap trifle-sponges spread with a mixture of margarine and icing-sugar. Add one tin of (economy) sliced cling-peaches, a very small jar of maraschino cherries, top off with five ordinary household candles; total cost – less than a fiver. No wonder they all look so po-faced.

      • TXCowgirl

        Someone made a clay demo birthday cake yesterday. Which word or concept do you think they were trying to understand?

        • Mark

          Kaolin and morphine?

        • Jimmy3

          Some of the clay people have been having a little too much fun at Ron’s party.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Thanks … I need to end off with a laugh today.

        • aegerprimo

          Looks like a protest to me.

          • TXCowgirl

            They forgot the masks!

        • GalacticGreg

          Blown for Good !!

          • TXCowgirl

            Yet another random LRH bday cake from this week-

            • Jimmy3

              I get it, because he was an explorer, right? That’s cute!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I still don’t get it.

            • Jimmy3

              I don’t really know what to make of it, but the character on the cake is Dora The Explorer.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I couldn’t tell

            • Eclipse-girl

              I hadn’t refreshed and had only seen the clay demo , not the dora cake.

            • TXCowgirl

              There was no explanation. It was hash tagged #scientology #dairyqueen

      • TXCowgirl

        Frankly, I’m surprised they posted the photo.

        • Sir_Real

          Not me, they’re have no grasp of reality outside their shrinking bubble.

          • TXCowgirl

            Point taken. I keep forgetting the reality factor, or lack thereof.

    • Sir_Real

      They all look so EAGER to partake, don’t they? Was the shoddy frosting job done by sleep deprived, brow beaten malnourished Sea Org slave labor?

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Epic fail cake

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That IAS witch in black looks like she’s either eyeing the plastic cutlery (checking to see if there are knives?) or she’s checking the young ladies belly to see if she’s pregnant and should hit her up for the preborn’s lifetime membership. Not kidding. I’ve seen scientology birth announcements proudly proclaiming not how many inches or toes but what the kid’s IAS status is. No, really.

      • Observer

        Really, there’s nothing else to say.

    • Ruby

      hahaha! ya…and they all look SO happy!

      • Sunny Sands

        That is one of the saddest party pics I’ve ever seen.

    • texasexpat

      Reminds me of every time I have ever tried to frost a cake.

  • Buttons72

    Eight dollars per week. IRS, where the f*** are you, or what good are you?

  • GalacticGreg

    $cientology — Be at Cause over M(atter) E(nergy) S(pace) T(ime), like long-time cherch member Krusty Alley.

    • TXCowgirl

      The right hand photo is a diet product in and of itself. I was about to have dinner, but have now lost my appetite.

    • Narapoid

      The ball of conflict inside this woman is killing her. I do not think she can stand a moments quiet reflection. She lashes out visciously at contrary evidence about scio, which is what she holds sacred.

      So, she stays busy doing TV shows. Just keep moving. She will have a handler/assistant at her side at all times to keep her distracted, flattering her, reinforcing her life perceptions. Her life is filled with yak yak yak.

      When she is alone, she eats, for distraction. The earth will open up under her when she wakes up, and she’ll probably go back to drugs.

      Pills this time.

      I pity her.

      • Sunny Sands

        She’s such an attack dog for scientology. Usually mama bears will act like that to protect their cubs. Kirstie has 2 adopted adult kids about the same age as Cruise’s, and the way she acts makes me believe there is a sci back story to their adoptions.

        • Narapoid

          She has so much of her own identity tied up in the cult like any criticism of scio causes a response that is so extreme to shock a layman.

          As if she were the only thing to save a defenseless little baby, surrounded by rabid wolves.

          I knew she and Parker Stevenson had kids, but not about the adoptions.

        • Narapoid

          She responds like Scientology is a defenseless infant in front of a pack of wolves.
          Instead of the soul eating monster that it is.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    I think Australian 60 Minutes did a fabulous job. I find it interesting (and great) that news programs no longer even read Miscavige’s response at the end of a news segment but simply refer vaguely to their “website” if someone wants to read it. G’d on ya, 60 Minutes!

    • Miss Tia

      I loved that!!

  • media_lush
    • Sir_Real

      Oh boy!

    • aegerprimo

      This one packs a wallop!

  • Tom Cruise’s sessions were being taped and monitored long before Marty reeled him back in. In December 1995 I was sent down to Celebrity Centre with Greg Wilhere and Lynn Engen to observe Ray Mithoff sec checking TC. There were two or three sessions Ray gave TC in an effort to get him back on lines. They weren’t successful. Similar result to when he and John Eastment went to disseminate to Joe Montana who was rehabilitating from an elbow injury. Great interview with Marty and Mosey. I noticed Dave Petit in one of the shots. Does not look like he is the CO of Celebrity Centre any more.

    • Captain Howdy

      Joe Montana tried scientology!?!? (I’m from S.F)

      Say it isn’t so, Joe…pleeeeease

      • Missionary Kid

        They probably just tried to get Joe Montanalo in, but it doesn’t look like they were successful.

        • Captain Howdy

          They were successful with John Brodie and all the sudden i was having deja vu because i know that “Joe” knows what he’s talking about.

          • Missionary Kid

            At least Brodie kicked the habit.

            I meant to write Joe Montanalow because people remarked on his resemblance to Barry Manalow, and he himself kidded about it.

      • Jimmy3

        I’m sure he means legendary actor Joe Montegna.

      • He had several DMSMHs in his locker and got some intro type stuff but Ray and John blew it and he had to go back to the team. So, no. You must remember John Brodie, though, right? I grew up on Redwood City where the 49ers had their in season facility for years.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Did they finally beat TC down so much he got back into the organization?

  • parvent

    2000 SO sending 1.5 million/week is 750 per SO. If the figures are correct then there is some money laundering going on to inure COB, or maybe send to Yatsenyuk in Ukraine.

  • Captain Howdy

    Good job Dinky Mismanage! Moar burning bridges lost for evermore.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReUaQlsZZ5I

    • Missionary Kid

      Dinky Mismanage wasn’t on the list of dm nicknames. It’ll be there tomorrow.

    • Sandy

      Thank you, Mr Howdy

      Gotta catch my breathe after that one …

      • Captain Howdy

        You’re welcome, Sandy.

        • Sandy

          Played it twice. May play it again …

      • Sandy

        Oh, sigh. I just watched this again (for the 3rd or 4th time.) Thanks Howdy. I mean, I remember it from the original. I commend you for the reminder …

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      One of my favorite songs. Was in the sound track of “Kelly’s Heros” IIRC.

      But, listening to it in context of my history in scientology… made me cry.

      • Baby

        I’m sorry Michael. Thank God you are out! We are all here for you.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X RED-X RED-X

    Put the $cilons on a diet – shut off their supply lines.
    Turn off that annoying drip of victims, one click at a time.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-65#post-2438002

    TY Mark

    • aegerprimo

      Leave the Sea Org NOW.

  • Jimmy3

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  • Ruby

    Michelle Stafford…she will have a rude awakening the day she realizes she gave up her career for nothing.

  • Ruby

    The “In Memoriam” thing is something that I really have a hard time with due to my own personal experience of having someone come and try to talk me into donating a large sum of life insurance $$ to the”Ideal Org” project only a few short weeks after I lost my spouse. It was the most heartless and unreal conversation that EVER happened to me and only added to the shock I was already experiencing. But…on the plus side, it definitely showed me what the priorities of the cherch were at the time…all about the $$. The cherch preys on those moments of weakness of a person and I find that despicable. Thank God I didn’t take the bait.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I am sorry for the loss of your spouse. I hope you were able to hold fast and not donate the life insurance money.

      (((HUGS))) for your loss.

      • Ruby

        Thank you, Eclipse-gal. I did NOT give $$.

    • Jimmy3

      I’m sorry you went through that. You must be a very good person, as many people, myself included, would not be so civil in that situation.

      • Ruby

        I was still numb and in shock over my loss…otherwise I would have acted differently.

    • chukicita

      I’m sorry that happened to you, Ruby. Sadly, it’s another in a long line of examples of unconscionable, policy-driven Scientology behavior. For an organization that purports to be spiritual and pooh-poohs MESTiness (when it’s convenient), they’re certainly all about the Benjamins.

      • Ruby

        100% correct and well stated, chukicita!

    • Sydjazz

      Hang on memoriam means you sign over life insurance? Wow isn’t that like waiting for the scion henchmen to come and umm collect?

      • TheMirrorThetan

        I wouldn’t be signing over anything, the ink would barely be dry and then you might have a sudden unfortunate “accidental death”, nothing is too low for the little shit and his church.

        • Sydjazz

          Esactly what i meant 🙂

    • Miss Tia

      I’m so sorry for your loss Ruby and I’m sorry you had to have that extra burden placed on you. It did help you see their priorities, but still….((HUGS))

      • Ruby

        Thanks, Miss Tia. Yes, it was a huge turning point for me to truly see what was most important to the cherch at the time. It was about THEIR well being, not mine or my family.

        • Miss Tia

          A ‘real’ church would come and comfort a parishioner/member, not try to get money from them. I can’t even imagine being that cold, callous and heartless.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Even some evangelicals that I do not hold in high regard do the comfort and visiting as a part of their calling, their mission.

          • Ardent

            Absolutely, Miss Tia.

    • Baby

      Awww Ruby.. I am so sorry sweetie.. ((HUGS)) Despicable, cold and Heartless.. Absolutely sickening.

      And that is why we are all here.. Bring ‘Em Downnnnnnnn…

      • Ruby

        “And that is why we are all here..” YES. Thank you, Baby, to you and all the others here.

    • Ardent

      Oh, Ruby! How vile. I am so sorry you had to endure that. Yours is yet another experience that makes me hope with all my heart these fraudsters will be held, feet to the fire, one day. Here’s a hug.

      • Ruby

        Thank you, Ardent.

  • Ellen Fürst

    ok, “blew” means: they worked for 8 Dollars a week 19 hours a day, no 411 K plan, no health insurance, does cult pay them some kind of compensation? cult tried to tell judge in Texas, hey it was about business and hey it was about religion, judge told cult: both won`t work, so what about former SeaOrg members? it would be a very cheap way to get rid of them, they were blown they didn´t leave voluntary so acutally I think cult should pay compansation if they try the “it`s about religion” argument, Jilian was blown and they should pay if they try the “it`s about business” argument, 8 Dollars a week? how do you call it if a business man pays such wages? and Jililan mentiones, that she wasn`t paid the 8 Dollars because they had to pay for David Miscavige presents, isn`t he ceo of RTC (trademark, business)?

    • Jimmy3

      To “blow” is to escape or leave without routing-out in Scientology parlance. It is voluntary.

    • Baby

      No he’s just an Eccecalastical Joe Blow..that’s it.

      ( According to him)

      • Ardent

        Hi Baby! The ‘ecclesiastical’ nonsense sure sticks in my throat…What a liar, cheat, freak, bastard.

        • Baby

          Ugh me too.. That’s why I butchered the spelling..Puke

  • Sydjazz

    Welcome to all ex sea org scions. Good to see you hear and hope to hear your stories.

  • TXCowgirl

    The news of Karen de la C’s video with Jillian is spreading:
    http://www.examiner.com/article/another-miscavige-scientology-sea-org-member-escapes-the-cult

    • aegerprimo
    • Ardent

      Thanks for finding that, TX. I love the way his news is spreading and spreading more rapidly. We owe such thanks to our host, Tony, for his determined investigations, and to brave souls like Karen and Tory to name just a couple of out Bunker heroes and heroines. This year is moving forward very nicely so far.

  • media_lush

    well, I’ve only just got round to watching ‘The Master’ and my one word review is:

    meh

    I was disappointingly underwhelmed

    • Narapoid

      They were waaaay to accommodating and nice to Hubbard.

      • Sydjazz

        I don’t blame them for not getting too nasty. Scions are dangerous

        • Narapoid

          Yep, but I think the direct has and wanted to do more films with Cruise. It’ll never be allowed, but he didn’t know that.

          • SvenBoogie

            The impression I got was more that he didn’t want the entire film to be about Hoffman’s character, and if it had been a completely accurate portrayal of Hubbard, it pretty much would have had to have been.

      • Suppressive Tomato

        Totally agree. Painted him as almost genuine and caring. And no mention of the moneygrabbing machine!

    • SvenBoogie

      I haven’t watched it for this very reason. If they weren’t going to accurately portray tubby, they shouldn’t have based it on him in any way. They could have just used an entirely original character instead of pulling only bits and pieces from the real figure to keep the film more subtle.

      • GalacticGreg

        The character portrayed by Joaquin Phoenix was fantastically well-conceived and expertly played. I thought it a really exceptional portrayal of a damaged human being.

        • Mooser

          “exceptional portrayal of a damaged human being.”

          For that you have to go to the movies?

      • media_lush

        the nagging thought I had whilst watching this is how much better it would have played as a slapstick comedy… I kept on seeing John Belushi in his ‘Animal House’ personae playing an over the top Hubster and Bill Murray in his Caddyshack personae playing Freddy…. but that’s just me

  • Artoo45

    I posted this for the morning crew, but I’ve discovered that it takes morning, noon and night announcements to spread the word around here. The latest installment of LRH: The Target 2 Chronicles is up. Chapter 12, The Long Ride. Poor ol’ Ron just never knows who he’s going to run into . . . http://allmestup.blogspot.com/2014/03/lrh-target-2-chronicles-chapter-12-long.html

    • Dancing Cranberry

      I’m so glad you did, Artoo. I love, absolutely love this series.

    • Sydjazz

      I enjoyed it. Thanks artoo

  • antibity

    In my book, coercing Sea Org staff to donate their pay to buy gifts fro David Miscavige is not only beneath human dignity, it is an act of inurement by and toward David Miscavige.

    A donation to a boss cannot be freely given in these circumstances. This is in no way an arm’s length transaction, unless you mean the distance traveled by the open hand of Captain Miscavige to the cheek of his staff.

    • Sir_Real

      Their “donating” ANY of their very meager salary to the Despotic Miser is one of the most despicable thing I’ve ever read on here. And for a birthday present? May I suggest a package bomb?

      • Ardent

        It is vile, isn’t it? I’d send him road kill and sheep shit, myself. Such an evil asshole.

    • Mooser

      Oh, Please! And what, exactly, makes you think Miscavige ever got the gifts those Sea Orgers “donated” for? That went straight into the pockets of those who collected it! Maybe they sent Miscavige a card.
      Oldest trick in the book.

      • antibity

        Have you ever been in the Sea Org, Mooser? Gifting Hubbard was the tradition and all staff pitched in. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

  • Jimmy3

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    • Sir_Real

      White socks? Shouldn’t he be barefoot? The background makes him look like he’s performing a drag shot sans shave and makeup.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Sandals ‘n socks. Oh my sainted grandma.

        Them clams is sophisticated!

        • Mooser

          The sight of his bare toes may be too much for the distaff side of the audience. They’ll get the vapors.

    • media_lush

      that made me lol!

  • Sydjazz

    http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/60-minutes-classic-cult-busters/xyg7uwc not much has changed. They say in the 90s there are 6 mil members but really 60,000. Wonder what the numbers are now?

    • Ardent

      10. The rest are holograms

  • Sarah James

    Monique was more than patient with the cult leader David Miscavige. The thing about him that is so disturbing is you know he will go all out to hurt someone. He is so used to breaking up marriages in scion, he was so sure he could exact his control over Marty by driving Monique off. David Miscavige is good at one thing, harm. The cult of scientology must end. David Miscavige will end up in prison, but before that happens he will face his fear, being deposed.

    I used to be a bit embarrassed for Tom Cruise, but he has harmed many by useing the Scientology dogma to his advantage. Continue your silence Tom Cruise maybe no one will notice Marty Rathbun was your trusted auditor, or that your children called their mother by her first name, or how you and your bff treated Nazanin Boniadi. Tom Cruise you are glib. If you were any kind of a man you would shout from mountain tops that David Miscavige has no right to treat people with his sick cruelty. Marty was your friend and Monique is his wife and you just sit and wait. Wait for what though? This will blow over and you both can resume your reign of terror???

    So glad Jillian is free. The Sea Org is no place to grow up. I hope she has all kinds of support and things go well for her. Hope she will let us know how we might help. The transition from scientology to real world has to tough. Scientology should be forced to pay….

    • Ardent

      Great post, Sarah! I agree with you. Funny thing he other day. I was watching TV with a friend and she said, more or less out of nowhere “I hate Tom Cruise. I won’t watch anything with him in it.” Later I asked if she hated Scientology. She knew next to nothing about the cult. So she was just creeped out by Tom, and loathed him because of his vibe. Love it! I hope he is held accountable one day soon.

      Edited for autocorrect junk

      • Mooser

        Saw, quite by accident, a very offensive movie called “Top Gun” which seemed to assume I was a facist fourteen yr. old, or would like to be so for the length of the movie. Still resent him for it.
        Also “Flashdance”, but at least that assumed I was a horny fourteen year old.

    • Ruby

      “Tom Cruise you are glib.” …this is so right on.

    • outraged

      I have NO sympathy for Tom Cruise. He is choosing to be blind. There is no way on earth he did not know that cherch people worked their butts off for no money to make his super luxurious ridiculously over the top trailer. And his wife left him because she refused to let her child be poisoned by the cult. He is either delusional or another narcissistic egomaniac. Mi$cientology tends to gather them by the hand full.

      • Frodis73

        He comes across as such a dick now…I will watch with glee as his career ends for real (it’s almost there now) when the church explodes & the truth is totally out. He deserves everything coming to him too for ignoring the truth and not speaking out all these years. The only thing that will save him is if he were to ‘blow’ but i just don’t see that happening.
        ETA-spelling

        • outraged

          The only way Tom Cruise will regain the amount of public respect he had in the past is if he blows before ramparts fall.

      • Sarah James

        So glad he admitted disconnection under oath. Now the world knows he is aware.

  • TheCommodeDoor

    7:40pm PDT. The Scientology ad runs again on KCBS during 60 minutes.

    • Sydjazz

      You mean the unchurch’s ad is running during the show about them?

    • Narapoid

      Gotta say: love your handle!

  • Sydjazz

    I was just watching one of martys own videos on you tube about scientology and i have a question. So marty obviously believes in the tech and lrh’s findings (which he just pieced together anyway), but does he believe in the space opera too? I mean really?!

    • outraged

      Does he believe in all the xenu stuff? I doubt it, but you would have to ask him. I really have no idea to be honest. Why do you ask? He is not drinking the kool aide, that’s for sure.

      • Sydjazz

        He is drinking a watered down version if he still believes in the tech i guess

    • kemist

      I think Marty is evolving slowly out of LRH.

      Some of the posts he made recently on his blog seem to indicate that he’s letting go of a lot of the tech and discovering other things through reading other work than that of Hubbard.

      • Sydjazz

        Hope so. No man especially lrh deserves to be treated like a demi god

    • Narapoid

      In an interview last year he said he no longer calls himself a Scientologist.

      • Sydjazz

        Hmm weird not what i saw on a recent youtube, scientology and tao

        • Narapoid

          I think it was the show that had Marty and Monique moving from Corpus Christi to Bulvarde. They found the spy cameras in the vacant house and at the end Marty was loading a U haul.
          EDIT: I believe it was for one of the Aussie, shows, and hell may have been longer than a year.

    • Mooser

      Don’t confuse, please don’t confuse, what Marty belives, today, with what people say in his comment section. He can’t refute each one of them.
      And there’s another aspect: See how useful (see the Sixty Minutes “response” from Sci) it is for Rathbun to allow Miscavige to believe Rathbun still practices Scientology? May even be planning a “coup” to take it over? That throws Miscavige and makes him completely incapable of seeing the Mosey Rathbun suit in its proper light.
      So there’s no telling. Nor should there be, it’s his business.

  • Lurkness

    As previously mentioned, Jim Johnson from Dallas owns “Mr Jim’s Pizza” and does franchising too. While he does not have a direct button/link on the main page, here is his scientology page hosted at Mr Jim’s Pizza’s website where he promotes Scio bullshittery:

    http://www.mrjimspizza.net/about_sci.cfm

    • TXCowgirl

      I commented on that page a few hours ago. I wonder if all of his franchisees are $ciobots. I also wonder if he has impressed dianetics or Co$ classes on his employees.

      • Lurkness

        Missed that posting. From my looking appears he keeps WISE out of his biz and appears to offer scio stuff (TWTH) to employees (makes it available) but doesn’t press it. Which is a good idea if you dont want discrimination lawsuits. Seeing that he sells franchises for an initial fee of $11k and is very cost conscious in operations, wonder how he personally justifies Scn costs/donations for services.

        • TXCowgirl

          It was 8 hours ago, so no surprise that you missed it.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Large Pizza D’Lish with 3 toppings: $7.99
      Sea Org members wage per week: $8.00

      Small tip BUT a Sea Org member COULD buy a pizza.
      Just saying.

    • Jimmy3

      “Thank you for your interest in finding out more about Scientology. I don’t have a direct link to this page in this site as it isn’t something that has anything to do with the pizza business. Scientology is not for everyone and I would like to encourage you to explore the subject for yourself to see if you feel it will benefit you. Scientology is an all-denominational religion and has members of all faiths. You don’t give up your faith. I have no desire to change any man’s religion.”

      Not true at all. There are two direct links to this on his company’s History page.

      And on his Soapbox page he has this little nugget:

      “It’s not my intention here to Papa John you with my political beliefs. Many people were offended by his political text messages.
      I just want to vent the frustrations I have when I see things that make me say, “What the heck?”
      So please indulge me in this outlet for my personal gripes about life.”

      Papa John would get killed in the media for saying the same about psychiatry. But he wouldn’t be stupid enough to say it on the company’s official website. And I realize it may not be an entirely accurate comparison, because Papa’s Johns is a national chain and Mr. Jim’s is more or less a regional operation, but he boasts over 50 restaurants and growing. That’s quite a chain in its own right. I think it’s a big enough story that he should take some shit over it. Even if it’s only franchisees finding out that their restaurant is being represented in this way and complain. Maybe he would, at the least, be forced to remove this nonsense from the company’s site. Many, many people who see psychiatrists and are prescribed medications love pizza.

      (html is hard. fixed)

    • Suppressive Tomato

      Um, Mr. Jim, if “Scientology is not for everyone,” um, how does the planet get cleared?

  • Dancing Cranberry

    I’m glad for absolutely everyone who has managed to escape this vile cult (I’m free to call it that). I think that speaking out helps get the cult out of you, but I think you need to be wise about when and how much to say. I’m grateful for those of you who do speak out. I’ve learned so much from all of you.

    Jillian, thank you for adding your voice and your insights. I wish you well in adjusting to the wog world. There are many people here who are glad to lend an ear or a shoulder or practical help. Be well.

  • Barbara Angel

    ***ALERT: Slightly off topic but here is the link to the Australian 60 minute interview last night with Marty & Monique. The segment only goes for 15 min and was disappointing as the promo said, the interview included Mustravage answering questions. Well it didn’t. This is the Aus version of 60 minutes and as we don’t receive the American version of 60 min I’m guessing you won’t see this in America. Monique was very level headed and came across as a very grounded woman. Marty had a little too much of the Co$ staring eyes for my comfort.
    http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8817374

    • media_lush

      your enthusiasm is admirable but if you were to look above at the end of Tony’s post…..

      • Barbara Angel

        Oh well…. at least I tried to share it.
        Don’t have the actual skills to mount the video clip, the link was the best I could do.

  • Synthia Fagen

    I know I am late to the party on this one and this certainly may have already been said but, aren’t they scraping the bottom of the barrel to be highlighting Laurie Webster, the Super Power Reg, as the “celebrity speaker”? Say what? So now, the fundraisers are the celebrities? Whatever! I shake my head.

    • Jimmy3

      I completely missed that detail. That is hilarious.

  • Satansthetan

    just drove by Beverly Hills Hotel, very quiet, no pickets, no security overkill, not much activity at all, I guess they’re all inside patting each other on the back for being such massive beings!! They will leave a little poorer methinks…

    • TXCowgirl

      This was just posted on Instagram, but it’s a movie and I don’t think it can be copied. If you have an account, search for Nick_Reno_ and you’ll be able to watch it. Big band music, Sinatra-ish singer. No one is dancing, the crowd is quite calm.

      • Satansthetan

        Thanks! Will have a go at Instagram right now.

        • TXCowgirl

          My social media savvy daughter has informed me that you can’t copy/repost an Instagram movie.

          • Satansthetan

            just registered with instagram and searched nick_reno_ and got to watch it, thanks, short but plenty cheesy.

            • TXCowgirl

              The party is smaller than I expected.

      • Jimmy3

        Test…that no works.. Link works tho.
        http://web.stagram.com/p/682928559677965035_25061215

        • TXCowgirl

          You, my dear, are a STAR!!!

        • outraged

          That is amazing. It looked like a 50’s high school dance.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Amazing.

        They managed to make the elegant Beverly Hills Hotel look like New Year’s Eve at the Sportsman Lodge in the Valley…

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I pity the protester who would dare show up at the Beverly Hills Hotel.

      This is such a total non-event that I doubt anyone would have even noticed if we hadn’t been shown the flyer earlier today.

  • EnthralledObserver

    CO$ RESPONSES to 60 Minutes, Australia Questions:
    ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS
    1. What is the specific use for the Scientology compound based in New Mexico?
    The Church of Scientology has no “compounds” in New Mexico or elsewhere. We have Churches. In the case of New Mexico, there has been a Church of Scientology in Albuquerque since 1980. There is another Church in the state operated by Church of Spiritual Technology for the long-term preservation of L. Ron Hubbard’s works on Dianetics and Scientology. This is described on our website at http://www.scientology.org/faq/church-management/what-is-church-of- spiritualtechnology.html.
    2. What role did the Church of Scientology play in the hidden camera surveillance of the Rathbun’s two properties?
    The Church has issued the following statement about the case, which is its official comment, and which “60 Minutes” may broadcast and post on its website: The complaint is nothing more than a pathetic get-rich scheme cooked up by unemployed blogger Marty Rathbun, a self-admitted suborner of perjury who is now resorting to using his wife in an attempt to extort money from the Church. After having been removed from his position in the Church for malfeasance a decade ago, a bitter, seething Marty Rathbun initiated a harassment campaign against the Church and its ecclesiastical leader. Mr. Rathbun and his self-described “posse” have unrelentingly shopped made-up tales and myths to virtually every media outlet they can find. Much to Mr. Rathbun’s continuing frustration, the Church, since his departure, is flourishing and undergoing a period of unprecedented expansion, including during the tenure of this sham case.
    3. What role did David Miscavige play in the alleged harassment of Mark and Monique Rathbun?
    None. Nor do we concede that any of the alleged acts at issue in this litigation were “harassment.”
    Mr. Miscavige’s time and attention is spent on the worldwide expansion of the religion. It has been Mr. Miscavige’s dedication, leadership and guidance that have been the driving force behind the Church’s tremendous expansion. This has included:
    C HURCH OF S CIENTOLOGY I NTERNATIONAL

    • The establishment of 40 new ideal Scientology Churches in major cities and cultural centers world over;
    • The dedication of a new National Affairs Office of the Church of Scientology International in Washington, D.C.;
    • The restoration and renovations of the Church of Scientology, Flag Service Organization in Clearwater, Florida, including the dedication of a new, 277,000 square-foot cathedral;
    • The refit of the Church of Scientology’s religious retreat, Sea Organization Motor Vessel Freewinds;
    • The completion of a 25-year program to fully restore L. Ron Hubbard’s books and more than 2,500 recorded lectures on Dianetics and Scientology as well as the establishment of state of the art, all-digital publication facilities in Los Angeles and Copenhagen to make them available to all Scientologists;
    • The establishment of a 185,000 square-foot printing plant for Church of Scientology promotional materials and related items;
    • The establishment of full audio-visual and film production studios responsible for producing motion pictures and video properties about Scientology.
    These are the real accomplishments of the Church of Scientology.
    Additional Statement: Marty Rathbun’s claims concerning the treatment of parishioner confessional information are false. The confidentiality of all ministerial communication is sacrosanct. This information is never given out. Please see the FAQ at this link: http://www.scientology.org/faq/scientology-and-dianetics-auditing/is- informationdivulged-during-auditing-sessions-always-kept-confidential.html
    oOo

    • EnthralledObserver

      I edited their links so they won’t work anymore… refresh! (I just put in a couple of spaces)

    • DodoTheLaser

      “Nor do we concede that any of the alleged acts at issue in this litigation were “harassment.”

      Oh, yeah? What is it then – just a visit from a crazy uncle and his campy friends that lasted for 199 days?
      Noooo, not a harassment at all!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        They have stated in a court of law that they were engaging in protected free speech that is part of their religion.

        I am not making this up.

        • SvenBoogie

          And they seem to repeatedly get away with such claims because murrkuh.

          • Jimmy3

            They don’t seem to be getting away with it in this case. Judge Waldrip has ruled against them in every step of the proceedings.

            • SvenBoogie

              I certainly hope you’re right of course, I just get frustrated with how much they seem to get away with here due to the tendency of the US govt at times to just ignore anything done by ‘religion.’

    • Sarah James

      They are so full of…doubt it will play in Peoria much less the courts. Wonder if the atty who wrote this is paid by the word or the lies.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      “The complaint is nothing more than a pathetic get-rich scheme cooked up by unemployed blogger Marty Rathbun, a self-admitted suborner of perjury who is now resorting to using his wife in an attempt to extort money from the Church. After having been removed from his position in the Church for malfeasance a decade ago, a bitter, seething Marty Rathbun initiated a harassment campaign against the Church and its ecclesiastical leader.”

      Well, that certainly sounds like a reasonable explanation…

      • Alex de VALERA

        Reminds me of the Moscow trials. They get more and more radical as the bubble shrinks.

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      Soooo similar…
      http://youtu.be/TrXhxmQJSS0

      • DodoTheLaser

        You nailed it.

    • Toni m

      Lies, Lies, Lies. But what can we expect from scio/dm?

    • Ardent

      As if I’d believe any of that BS. Puh-leeze! No wonder they didn’t even bother to read an excerpt of that on-air: it is all transparently bogus.

    • vistaril_LOL

      Reminds me of Chemical Ali during the gulf war…

  • Narapoid

    The end of Scientology will be ugly. Real ugly.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQG9uZin3fA

  • DodoTheLaser

    Tampa “Ideal” Org now has Russian auditor. Seven days a week (because fuck days off)!

    “Tampa’s
    expanding it’s delivery capability! Olga Mesinger-Narang, Class IV GAT
    II auditor, Russian, just joined Tampa staff!!!! Welcome her to the
    team!!

    Big news though…This means Tampa now has full
    technical delivery available in the Russian language any hour of the
    day, 7 days a week!! Call the registrar today if you’ve been waiting for
    a Russian auditor! (813) 872-0722”

  • DodoTheLaser

    Obectives co-audit door in AOSH EU.
    Who cares about OT 9 when there is “Book and Bottle”.
    What a joke!

    • SvenBoogie

      The message being, “If you intend to actually read anything LRH wrote, you’ll need the bottle first…”

      • DodoTheLaser

        That and also, “After 175 hours of this process, the bottle is a winner”.
        They even put it on a bigger podium, trying to force a cognition. Subtle.

      • Kleto

        Or a frontal lobotomy.

      • Mooser

        To read anything Hubbard wrote, I need a bottle in front of me.

        Okay, Kleto, give us the punchline!

  • Toni m

    Karen’s video is great and she has five more, this is the first of six, can wait to see them all. A dozen more “blow”. I too hope that Mr Ortega have the chance to interview some of them.
    Australia interview is missing important information. They show this poor crazy women and the men harassment of the Rathbuns, (1) scio later admitted that they did it, (2) the ridiculous SLAPP motion, (3) the loss of scio in the SLAPP motion and the order to pay Monique’s lawyers fees. It may be because this program was made before all this took place. A follow up needs to be done but they, the Rathbuns got a lot of exposure to their ordeal and they did great in that show. Good for them.
    What happen with Kristy? She was to old for this behavior, those kids were to young, young enough to be maybe her own kids?

  • DodoTheLaser

    Oh, look – “celebrity” performers singing to Hubbard’s cake!

    • vistaril_LOL

      They could record an Ep – “Space Oddity”, “They’re coming to take me away ha ha!”, “fly me to the moon”, and of course Dire Straits “Money for nothing”

  • DodoTheLaser

    These ladies are scientology executives in Moscow, Russia.
    Reminds of “Charlie’s Angels” movie for some reason.

    • Jimmy3

      Curling teams and Scientology execs all look the same to me in Russian.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Good thing they don’t hear you. You’d be in trouble otherwise. 🙂

    • Kleto

      This may explain the popularity of $cientology in Russia.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Beauty in all its forms has been used to trap and trick others for ages.
        Hubbard knew that and made sure it permeates his entire operation.

        His ploy failed due to the lack of substantial results, despite of the faux concepts
        of art of life and living and the attempts to hijack the entire fields of aesthetics.

        Fake super powers (including Clear and OT states), combined with money greed
        didn’t help either. Russian scientologists will realize it soon. Mark my words. 2015.

        • Mooser

          “Beauty in all its forms has been used to trap and trick others for ages.”

          But not by me! Okay, maybe a little picaresque grotesquery sometimes, but I don’t try and punch above my weight.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Photo of Hubbard that I haven’t seen before. And I saw way too many.

  • Pierrot

    Frustrated by
    the way co$ abuse and exploit its seaorg
    the way co$ abuse and exploit its staff
    the way co$ milk and bankrupt its parishioners
    There is something you can do to prevent them to reach more victims
    Flag the daily list of ads, roll down and check the ALERTS and tips
    There is one long list for Tampa by Pierrot at about 6:30pm NYT

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-65#post-2438002

    Thank you Chutney

  • DodoTheLaser

    It must be really frustrating for David Miscavige that Monique has some control over his future.

    • Sydjazz

      I hope mein fuehrer is shitting himself 🙂

      • DodoTheLaser

        Hey, thanks for the “60 minutes” coverage and being patient with me
        being ignorant and throwing a tantrum about its format, Sydjazz. 🙂

        • DodoTheLaser

          Robert Eckert, thanks to you too.

  • Sydjazz

    I love you guys and gals. So knowledgeable and so much fun to talk to. Group hug 🙂

  • marti

    Jillian, Thank you.
    Your leaving scientology just goes to show that people love freedom better than suppression.
    Thank you Karen de la Carriere for your wonderful interviews.

    Thank you Tony for your reporting about scientology bullies and their bullying.

    “Who is that masked man?”
    “Why that’s, that’s the Lone Ortega.”

  • DodoTheLaser

    Part 2 with Jillian, freshly out of the Sea Org will probably be up shortly.

  • vistaril_LOL

    Fantastic news.Another person free.Sterling work by all involved.Is ANYONE in the mainstream press interested? or all they all writing about the Kar-crashians????

    Best wishes to Jillian!

  • Mooser

    Okay, now that there’s a new thread, I can say something I was too shy to say yesterday. “Hey,” I ask, “does Monique Rathbun appear, and speak, to good advantage on camera?” My answer is, “Holy Mackeral, Yes, does she!!”
    Notice the way even different camera-men treat her alike, they squeeze in to a close-up catch all the emotions reflected in that honest face, and then there’s the well-modulated, natural way of speech, and all the good sense she says. Yes, she appears to great advantage on video!

  • mpl

    Tiziano shouldn’t be storing all that cocaine in his ears.

    • Jimmy3

      i knew i should come back to this article to find the funny

  • TDA1541A

    What a lovely girl, Stupid cult must die

  • Sydjazz
  • Anonymous Confused Person

    Karen, if you haven’t already, could you ask Jillian whether it was her understanding that she was contributing money to buy a birthday present for the COB along with Shelly, or that she was contributing money for a birthday present for the COB along with Laurisse (sp.?)?

  • Jillian

    I wanted to say a big THANK YOU to Tony for putting this video up so everyone could find out more truth. Karen has helped me a great deal in going through this transition. I am so surprised by the amounts of care coming my way. In the church you learn to have a different viewpoint of “wogs and x-so” but you are all very very sweet people and I thank you so so much for the support. 🙂

    Love,Jillian