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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Leah Remini is still thumbing her nose at Scientology leader David Miscavige

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Last summer, we broke the news that Leah Remini had ditched Scientology. Part of the surprising news of her defection was the detail that Leah had dared to file a “Knowledge Report” about ethical violations by David Miscavige, the leader of the church. This would be something like a Catholic turning in the Pope to the Vatican. A month later, we reported that Leah had filed a missing-person report on Shelly Miscavige with the Los Angeles Police Department. Remini had aimed another dart directly at David Miscavige, forcing the LAPD and the world’s press to ask questions about the church leader’s wife, who vanished in late 2005.

Since then, however, Leah Remini’s criticism of Scientology and its leader has been more subtle. After she joined the cast of Dancing with the Stars, for example, she took advantage of that huge media platform to skewer Scientology again — but in the form of an interpretive dance. Our sources told us that Leah was under a lot of pressure by her professional advisers to stop talking about her defection publicly and concentrate on reviving her acting career. (She now has a recurring role on TV Land’s The Exes.)

But Leah hasn’t given up taking swings at Miscavige and his policies.

In December, she posted a photograph on Twitter that contained a clear message for Miscavige regarding Scientology’s policy of “disconnection,” which has cost Leah many of her former friends in the church.

In the photo, she’s posing with two other women, and Leah captioned it, “This is what the holiday season is all about! Have known these girls for over 20 years! Reconnecting is oh so nice!”

We’ve spent some time learning about those two women, which helped us understand why there’s no question Leah was sending a message to Scientology when she posted it.

The woman on the left side of the photo is Trisha Conley, whose parents, Jim and Kaye Conley, notified Trisha in November that they were disconnecting from her.

 
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Trisha’s friends tell us that she left Scientology about eight years ago, but did so quietly because her family is still so involved and because some of them are so prominent in the movement. Both of her parents, for example, were LRH Pers PRO — that’s Scientology lingo which means that Jim and Kaye Conley worked on burnishing the image of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard through public relations efforts. Kaye’s sister Cherie, meanwhile, is the mother of Kate Ceberano.

That makes Trisha first cousins with probably the most famous Scientologist in Australia, where Ceberano is a well known singer.

Trisha herself is from Melbourne, where she was raised until her parents joined Scientology’s “Sea Organization.” Trisha joined too, and signed the Sea Org’s billion-year contract. She was nine years old.

By eleven, we’re told, Trisha was cleaning the rooms where David and Shelly Miscavige were living. It was also around that time that Trisha’s mother Kaye “blew” — Scientology jargon for escaping — and was then assigned to the Rehabilitation Project Force. The RPF is the Sea Org’s version of a prison detail, and Kaye was assigned to sleep in a parking garage on the south side of Fountain Avenue, across the street from Scientology’s Los Angeles headquarters, which is an old hospital, the Cedars of Lebanon. Joining her in the parking garage was her 11-year-old daughter, Trisha, who also went into the RPF to stay near her mother. (And sleeping in a parking garage while on the RPF will sound familiar to those who know the story of Nancy Many, who spent her RPF stint in a Florida parking garage while she was five months pregnant.)

Three years later, when she was 14, Trisha was out of the Sea Org, and she became increasingly difficult for her parents to handle. She ended up at the notorious Mace-Kingsley ranch in Palmdale, California, where many former Scientologist children have reported hellish conditions and discipline. (The Palmdale facility was closed years ago.)

In her 20s, Trisha rededicated herself to moving up Scientology’s “Bridge” of courses, and eventually reached Operating Thetan Level Four — OT 8 is the top course. Eventually, she started to become disillusioned. (In online records of Scientology course completions, she’s listed as “Trish Conley,” and her friends called her “Trish” in our phone conversations, but at her Facebook page, Conley lists her name as “Trisha,” so we’ve used that spelling here. Trisha herself declined to speak for this article.)

Her good friend Chrissie Weightman tells us that Trisha was unhappy about how she’d been treated during a 2005 visit to “Flag,” Scientology’s spiritual mecca in Clearwater, Florida. And then the publication of the “Basics” in 2007 was the final step that pushed Trisha away from Scientology, just as it was for many others.

That year, Scientology leader David Miscavige announced that he had produced new versions of L. Ron Hubbard’s essential texts and lectures — the Basics — and required all members to buy copies at $3,000 per set. Weightman said Trisha told a vivid story of her father hunting her down on L. Ron Hubbard Way in Los Angeles after the Basics were announced, insisting that Trisha buy a set for herself, a set for her young daughter, a set for her then husband, and two more sets to donate to libraries. She refused, and Chrissie says it was clear she was embarrassed for her father.

Chrissie herself decided to leave the church in 2009, and over the next few years, it was her friendship with Trisha that increasingly became an issue for Trisha’s parents. Especially because Chrissie was also talking with Mike Rinder, Marty Rathbun, and Marc and Claire Headley — all former church officials who had been going public with their stories of escaping Scientology. (Weightman lives in Colorado, very near the Headleys.)

Rinder tells us he was also close to Trisha Conley from many years before — it was Trisha who found that Rinder’s then eight-year-old daughter Taryn had been seriously injured by a hit-and-run driver near Scientology’s Los Angeles headquarters. Trisha visited the girl in the hospital every day, and Rinder says he credits Trisha with saving his daughter’s life. (After Rinder left Scientology in 2007, his former wife and his children, including Taryn, disconnected from him.)

Despite pressure from her parents, Trisha refused to give up her friendships with Rinder or with Chrissie Weightman. Last fall, Trisha’s parents flew from Australia to visit her in Los Angeles, and Chrissie says they spent more time arguing with Trisha about being in contact with the wrong people than sightseeing. When Trisha refused to break off contact with Weightman, her parents sent her formal messages announcing that they were cutting her out of their lives.

As we’ve described many times, disconnection is one of Scientology’s most toxic policies. Scientologists are conditioned to believe that only as members of the church in good standing will their eternities be ensured, and that loyalty to the group is more important than just about anything else. When a member is expelled — “declared” a “suppressive person” in church language — every other member must disconnect, cutting off all ties, or they risk being declared SPs themselves. And that’s true even if disconnecting from an SP means ripping apart a family. So because Trisha was connected to SPs like Mike Rinder through her friend Chrissie Weightman, her parents ordered her to cut off all ties from Chrissie. When she refused, her own parents turned against her.

After her defection became public Leah Remini told TV hosts Ellen Degeneres and Barbara Walters that she was suddenly losing friends of more than 20 years who were ordered to disconnect from her by the church. But she was fortunate enough to have convinced her family to leave the church with her so Scientology couldn’t split them up through disconnection. Like other former church members, however, after losing friends who remained loyal to Miscavige, she’s reconnected with other people she knew inside.

The other woman in the photograph with Leah Remini is Sherry Ollins. Her maiden name is Lewis.

 
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Sherry’s brother is Stefan Lewis, who later changed his name to Stefan Castle. He and his wife Tanja were the players in one of the most dramatic stories of disconnection and divorce, told movingly in Janet Reitman’s 2011 book, Inside Scientology. KABC Channel 7 in Los Angeles later put together an excellent piece about the same story.

According to Reitman, Scientology leader David Miscavige had made Tanja, who was very attractive, one of the women who served him personally at Scientology’s 500-acre International Base near Hemet, California. As Miscavige kept Tanja near him, Stefan found it more and more difficult to see his wife. He was eventually transferred to Los Angeles and put in the RPF. Meanwhile, Tanja was put under intense pressure to divorce him. She eventually did, but Stefan believed that it wasn’t something she would have done on her own. He then began to plot a way to get a message to her, hoping to let her know that he would help get her out of the base, which is ringed by a security fence with inward-facing spikes. Stefan hit on a brilliant ploy. He knew that the only mail that women at the base received which was not opened by security guards were the things they ordered from Victoria’s Secret. So Stefan mailed a throwaway cell phone in a Victoria’s Secret box with a message, asking Tanja to call a particular number. It worked, she called, and he learned that she still wanted to be with him. He then set up an escape plan for her.

Sherry Lewis’s brother, in other words, foiled David Miscavige’s plans to wreck a marriage. And by posing with her in a photograph, Leah Remini must have known she was sending Miscavige a powerful message. On her other side was a woman whose family is among the most important for Scientology in Australia, and who recently experienced disconnection.

We asked Chrissie Weightman what she knows about the photo, and what message the three women were hoping to convey.

“They really wanted a positive spin on it — that you may lose people when you leave Scientology, but you find out who your real friends are, and you get back friends you lost along the way,” she says.

“It was a bold step for all of them.”

 
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Johnny Lewis making news again

A January feature story about Johnny Lewis in Los Angeles magazine is finally online in its entirety. It was penned by our old Village Voice colleague Bill Jensen, and it’s a cracking good read — so give it a look. Also, TMZ reported yesterday that Diane Marshall-Green filed a lawsuit, claiming that Lewis was the father of her child and asking that Johnny’s father, Scientologist Michael Lewis, be removed as the executor of his son’s estate.

 
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More Scientology lawyer follies from Karen de la Carriere!

Another look at the world of litigating for Scientology from Karen de la Carreire, J. Swift, and Angry Gay Pope…

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 31, 2014 at 07:00

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  • DodoTheLaser

    “You may lose people when you leave Scientology, but you find out who
    your real friends are, and you get back friends you lost along the way”.

    Amen and thank you. Go Leah and real friends!

    • joan nieman

      It is a victorious story this morning! These are strong women and I hope they can influence others to follow. We love you Leah!!

      • Mooser

        I can faintly hear Miscavige screaming: ‘I want so me Fair Game run on those girls! Get me Rinder, get me Rathbun! Oh wait, they’re gone. Why am I surrounded now, at the moment of my greatest need, by disloyal incompetents?’

        • Kristi Evans

          Isn’t it a bit awesome to watch guys like Miscavige wreck their own empires through excessive greed, sadism and incompetence? I’m glad that what he’s left with is incompetent ‘yes’ men, on the other hand, I feel terribly sorry for those dim ‘yes’ men.

  • Anonymous

    Its nice to see Leah messing with the cult again.

  • Observer

    I love Leah’s style!

    • WildaBeast

      I know, right? I’m trying to come up with a fairly comprehensive list of adjectives…*hoovers back coffee*…let’s see, she’s managed to tweak the Cabbage’s nose (do cabbages have noses?) in ways that are simultaneously positive, funny (interpretive dance?! Bol), subtle (after the first rage-wave), well-targeted (she’s aiming straight for the top and she has laser sights on her gun), effective, and quite likely very freeing for her. It’s a beautiful thing to watch, honestly. It fills my belly with little bubbles of joy. I was fairly sure of it before, but now I’m certain: Leah Remini is the kind of person I would LOVE to have a few drinks with. And I don’t say that about a lot of folks.

    • thatssotheta

      that woman radiates pure class!

    • Toni m

      What style? The silent one?…… Sorry… love you……. I know, down votes are coming.

  • 1subgenius

    This could be interesting:

    http://nationalcynical.bandcamp.com/album/the-scientology-remix-project

    Scientology Remix Project: weird Scientology audio

    Phineas Narco sends us The Scientology Remix Project , “Broadcast on KFJC, May 9th 2013, mixed live with JC Clone and Phineas Narco on The Mr. Pumpkinhead Show on KFJC in Los Altos Hills, CA. This was a show remixing samples having to do with, and deconstructing, the controversy of Scientology/Dianetics. Originally a four hour program presented here on bandcamp (newly today) in post-produced, synthesized, 3-hour ‘Narco Edit’ digest form. Available on a name-your-own-price basis.”

    http://boingboing.net/2014/01/30/scientology-remix-project-wei.html?utm_content=buffer4efef&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

  • Sejanus

    KSW

    Keep Suppressing the Wanker.

    Maybe this from Leah, all the legal fiascoes, dwindling membership, increased media attention successful public Blows and more…will give Derpy Midget that stroke he so richly deserves, but not the kind Laurissa offers Daveys Mini.

    • NOLAGirl

      I made a comment like this one yesterday, because you’re so right, no one deserves a stroke more than Mini-Hitler, but then I rethought my position. We don’t want him with any medical condition that can be used as an excuse not to give a deposition. Take your vitamins Dave. Your day in court awaits. :)

      • Anonymous

        He can have his horribly disabling stroke the day *after* he testifies, then he gets to spend the rest of his life in a nursing home being spoon fed and having his diapers changed.

        • Deimos

          Or perhaps IN the witness box

        • WildaBeast

          That sounds perfect…as long as his mind is totally aware, and his body is totally helpless, so he has years and years and years to think about his ultimate powerlessness.

      • Sejanus

        A stroke doesnt get ya out of testifying or being deposed if you are communicate ,.just hook him up to an e meter…or car battery….you will get something from him…lol

        • joan nieman

          Ha ha! That was crude but made me laugh, nonetheless!

    • Missionary Kid
  • SandiCorrena

    Leah is very good at packing a big wallop! I love it!

  • Andrew Robertson

    I hope this story is picked up by by many media outlets to ensure Scientology’s poisonous policy of disconnection becomes well known. This noxious practice initially ordered by Hubbard and continued by Captain Coeur de Noir has destroyed countless family and other relationships and left a trail of misery in its wake.

    But it is always heartening to read a story like this one, showing that there are some who find the bonds of love and friendship much too powerful to break by the dictates of an evil cult.

    Andrew

    • Kristi Evans

      I hope that “Captain Coeur de Noir” makes the nickname list!!

  • Mike Leopold

    Thanks Tony! You add such context to Leah’s story and it just gives so much added depth to what is happening with her. It is much appreciated.
    Here’s hoping the day comes when Leah Remini, Lisa-Marie Presley, and Katie Holmes sit down for a press conference together, or give YOU an exclusive interview!

    • NOLAGirl

      The Bunker Trifecta. Is there enough popcorn in the world?? :D

  • Truthiwant

    Those girls look like they are enjoying themselves. I bet they didn’t smile like that when they were ‘in’.

    What is it about Scientologists and their smiles? They not only have the thousand yard stare but they also have the three inch sneer.

    Just look at them…

    • Observer

      The Homo Novis smirk. Creepy and supercilious.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        A psychologist wrote that the left side of the smile, controlled by the right side of the brain, shows people what we want them to see. The right side of the smile, shows what we are really feeling.

        Personally, though, I think Tommy and Kirstie just like to sneer at people. May the fates be kind.

      • joan nieman

        Shiver.

    • sketto

      That false smile is detailed quite well in Mike Caro’s Book of Poker Tells. This particular tell means “I’m full of shit and I know it.”

    • Lord Xenu, OT XV

      Forced and fake smiles.

    • Shirley Eugeste

      Practice makes perfectly lifelike? Poor Tommy… he looks like a pod person trying really hard not to blow his cover.

  • Krew13

    her father hunting her down on L. Ron Hubbard Way in Los Angeles after the Basics were announced, insisting that Trisha buy a set for herself, a set for her young daughter, a set for her then husband, and two more sets to donate to libraries

    Truly disturbing. Poor man is brainwashed beyond all recognition.

    • joan nieman

      It’s beyond sanity, that’s for sure.

    • Shirley Eugeste

      Also funny/sad: I have never seen a Scientology book anywhere in any of the libraries, academic or public, anywhere in the world, which I have patronized or worked in, ever, in my life. Hey Scientology: unsolicited donations do not automatically end up in the stacks, nor are they even necessarily accepted. Chances are these “library donations” Are Not Happening. They’d be more successful buying a string of motels and putting Scientology books in the rooms. Target depressed areas and they may actually attract some poor lost souls.

  • Krew13

    it was Trisha who found that Rinder’s then eight-year-old daughter Taryn had been seriously injured by a hit-and-run driver near Scientology’s Los Angeles headquarters.

    Where was Tom Cruise? Was he driving past? Only he could help.

    • Silence of the Clams

      Good point. Has there ever been a single story of Mr. Magnanimous Cruise helping out in a car accident? Considering there are literally tens of thousands of accidents every year, I would think there should be a few dozen stories of the great OT Cruise flying in to save the day.

      Oh, that’s right… scientology is utter bullshit. Sorry, forgot.

      • Observer

        Yes, once, but it was in 1996 which was, I believe, before Miscavige got his hooks into him and reeled him back into the “church”. He not only helped at the accident scene, he paid the person’s medical bills since she had no insurance. Of course now he would no doubt consider that out exchange.

        http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0000129/trivia

        Edit: I remember when it happened, but the IMDb link is the only one I can find on the fly.

        • Jack99

          Now he would have given her touch assist in stead.

        • WildaBeast

          I think that might be the saddest thing I’ve ever heard about Tom Cruise. Because it shows that, without DM to be the monkey on his back, there’s actually a decent person somewhere inside him.

          • Sid_Snakey

            I totally agree. Some of the hardest-code Scientologists are in not because of concerns for their own salvation, but because they genuinely believe they are saving the planet and are willing to give up their lives to do it.

            It’s a double-whammy – your own deluded life, and the loss of what might have been given to those you could have touched.

            All that effort, all that money, all that sacrifice, all those broken families, all those lost years, all that wasted effort of people like Tom Cruise who could have made such an impact…all going to give one man a power rush when he gives a speech.

        • allioops

          Read the link, thanks. Notice it was a Brazilian actress he aided.

          • Robert Eckert

            So Tom Cruise was told that two Brazilian actresses were in an accident, and he got very upset, “That’s TERRIBLE! That’s the most horrible thing I’ve ever heard of!”

            After a while he calmed down and asked sheepishly, “How many is a brazillion, anyway?”

    • ze moo

      Would you want TC feeling you up when you need an EMT? Be glad TC hasn’t joined an Ambulance corp…..

    • Kristi Evans

      Nice :-)

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    Tony, if what you explained today was the only sickness within Scientology, it would be an organization in need of a great deal of rebuilding. But to think that you put on line 365 of these stories each year, shows just how much harm it is really doing.

  • Krew13

    Let’s enjoy again how ill and gaunt Slappy looked in the IAS videos.

    http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IASDM.jpg

    • ze moo

      I suspect one too many juice cleanses and a Human Growth Hormone overdoes, with a side of Justin Beiber steroids.

    • Toni m

      His nose is growing.

      • joan nieman

        Oh! And I bet it will get even longer yet!

        • WildaBeast

          His nose is so long already that it circles the globe 2.5 times – at the equator.

  • Sid_Snakey

    It’s interesting that a lot of these women who are escaping are perhaps somewhat feisty, and were considered “problem children” as teenagers.

    They are not “problem children” – they are kids who know they are surrounded by nonsense in the church, but since they were brought up in that environment they don’t have a “normal” to compare it to.

    Many also rarely see their parents, or at the very least are a distant priority behind progress up the Bridge.

    But with the label of “problem child”, it probably makes it easier for the church to characterize them as bad people in the minds of their parents, and then disconnection is possibly easier for the parents to rationalize in their own minds.

    The story of Trisha’s father hunting her down to reg her for $15K is just heartbreaking. A daughter should not have to put up with that.

    As a father myself, the relationship I have with my daughter is so precious to me. I can’t imagine being in a mental state where I would cut her out of my life because I didn’t like who her friends were. It’s just sickening quite frankly.

    Mr and Mrs Conley – are you really going to never speak to your daughter again because she has a different view than yours, and because your church told you to? What kind of church can that be, Mr and Mrs Conley?

    • Cat Daddy
    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Cindy Temps asks that same question today on Mike Rinder’s blog as she declares herself as an Indie after her kids were made to disconnect from her for reading blogs and being under the radar. “What kind of church forbids you to read the internet or watch a TV news show? What kind of church destroys families through disconnection and destroys the 2nd dynamic through forced abortions? …What kind of church tells its members who they can and can’t talk to, or associate with? What kind of church would separate children from their mother and kill unborn babies?”

    • Kristi Evans

      Amen, brother. I have three kids and cannot IMAGINE a faith that would force me to take money from a young couple (my child and spouse) to the tune of five figures, then disconnect them if they fell out of favor with the church who forced me to solicit them. What the actual f***? When DO these people wake up? If losing your +children+ doesn’t do it, what the hell does???

    • J. Swift

      Anything standing between the Church of Scientology and money will be aggressively destroyed by the Church.

      Once you understand this fact, you understand that the Church of Scientology is ultimately a violent and dramatic expression of aggressive, destructive, and rampant greed.

      When it comes to money, there is nothing holy, sacred, or off limits in the Church of Scientology. Marriage, family, children, and lifetime friendships mean nothing to the Church. Such things will be aggressively destroyed if they stand between the Church of Scientology and money.

      From a religious perspective, the Church of Scientology can correctly be called unholy and evil.

      I go further and call the Church an Opus Con Naturum

      From the Latin, “Opus Con Naturum” means a “Work Contrary to Nature,” i.e opposed to Life.

      Example. When a person is so indoctrinated as to abandon their natural human affections and disconnect from their family members, this can be said to be a work contrary to nature. The natural human impulse is to protect and cherish family. It is unnatural to destroy families and yet the Church of Scientology does this as a principle of its existence.

      It is also unnatural for a father to “reg” his daughter for $15,000 to give to the Church of Scientology.

      The Church is a killing system whose end phenomenon is this: Nothing left of a person.

    • My name is Larry Lester

      Well said. I look back on my Scio childhood and compare this to how I parent my children and am continuously shocked at the neglect by my and a lot of other Scientology parents. Shame on you RON

    • Cat Daddy
      • Lady Squash

        I feel a little insulted by the third picture. I liked your cartoon up until then. I can relate to picture one and two. But the third picture seems to imply that those who fall for SCN are gullible and can be easily conned. Speaking from my own experience, it was the idealism that reeled me in and kept me in SCN. I am by nature fiscally conservative and feel that if something is too good to be true, it probably is. Still not sure how I became such an idiot. It was contrary to how I usually handle money. That is the great puzzle to me.

  • Krew13

    How’s Chicago PD going? I’ve got to do a binge watch and catch up.

    • Anonymous

      Its Nielson rating is 1.7, not bad for a cable show.

      http://www.tvguide.com/news/ratings-idol-chicago-pd-1077013.aspx

      • Krew13

        I meant more in terms of the quality of the show rather than ratings.

        • NOLAGirl

          Just my opinion, but the cast is great. The stories are pretty good so far. Jason is really good in his role. I’m hooked on it. :)

          • Toni m

            Me too, I see it every week.

          • Toni m

            I saw again two very good interviews in you tube. I’m sure you know about them.
            1) Scientology: Jason Beghe in Germany 35:05.

            2) The Bill Franks interview- Into the scientology twilight Zone 53:08. It is sad that people inside scientology knew about the crimes of tomato nut and little slappy worm long time ago and the crimes still going.

        • SandiCorrena

          I’m hooked on it! It’s really good!

      • Tony Ortega

        It’s not a cable show.

        • Anonymous

          Oops. Could be in trouble then, but at least the ratings are going up.

          • Robert Eckert

            In its time slot it led the other two networks with 1.7 versus 1.5 for ABC (Nashville) and 1.1 for CBS (a CSI spinoff) and it has grown from week to week, so it is doing fine.

            • Anonymous

              Last I heard, 2.0 was the magic number, so it should be ok if the ratings keep growing.

    • sugarplumfairy

      I’ve seen three episodes and I really like it.. Jason Beghe’s character is great.. And a meme master like Jason: “the next head better be Pulpo’s..”

      • Toni m

        I liked when he gave his card to the little boy he tried to save. ” You can get out of this, give me a call and I be there for you” something like that. It seems as he was saying that to one of his friends inside scientology.
        Edit. At the end he was there for the boy and he save him.

  • http://www.4chan.org/ Vistaril

    Just sayin’

  • Edward Whalley

    …And Kirstie Alley is still acting like a jackass. Is there any beginning to her class and breeding?

    • sugarplumfairy

      I don’t think she’s acting..

      • joan nieman

        lol!

  • noseinabk

    Leah may be keeping things low key not just for her career, but for her mom. I think she worked for COS? She may need more time to acclimate and it must be difficult for her to hear the truth about scientology.

    Off topic. Nice to see an informed comment on a mental health care article. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mentally-ill-youth-in-crisis/

    “”It serves a lot of people, apparently, to maintain the philosophy that says that individuals in our country have the right to be in psychosis. Certainly the folks in Scientology think so, as they have their involvement in “advocacy” for the mentally ill as their business relies on the despairing coming through their open doors; certainly the health insurance companies share a common interest in this advocacy, profits on the back of the insured but unserved.”

  • EnthralledObserver

    My God… to know what the $cilon legal team are really thinking… I wanna be a fly on the wall. Looking forward to the next vid… the new lawyer’s regrets! Hee hee… that does sound like fun. :)

    • sugarplumfairy

      So, we’ll know what the former Chief Justice of the Texas Supreme Court really thinks about his new gig? Cool!

    • vistaril_LOL

      prob :- “this guy is batshit, how much $$ can I extract before I lose my marbles and/or licence?”

      Do we know which lawyer is actually in touch with His Holiness Diminutive Member ?

      • Eclipse-girl

        Aren’t both Monique Yingling and Ken Moxon on the 22 person team. I suspect that both of them have to report directly to Captain David “Blackheart” Miscavige.

        • vistaril_LOL

          Interesting , I guess Lionel Hutz thought the $$ offered was too dirty.

  • Sunny Sands

    The David Miscavige google ad is still appearing on this page today, top right.

    It doesn’t say anything about scientology, just David Miscavige.

    • noseinabk

      I would love to know if this page has been updated or changed this year.

      From the RTC page.
      THE GUARANTOR OF SCIENTOLOGY’S FUTURE MR. DAVID MISCAVIGE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD RELIGIOUS TECHNOLOGY CENTER INTERNATIONAL
      David Miscavige is Chairman of the Board of Religious Technology Center (RTC), a non-profit organization formed in 1982 to preserve, maintain and protect the Scientology religion.

      RTC holds the ultimate ecclesiastical authority regarding the standard and pure application of L. Ron Hubbard’s religious technologies. Religious Technology Center is not part of the management structure of the Church, nor is it involved in the Church’s day-to-day affairs.

      The Chairman of the Board is the most senior office in RTC, and one for which David Miscavige is uniquely qualified. An active Scientologist for most of his life, he first became a Church staff member in 1976 and has since been involved with nearly every aspect of the Church’s activities.

      As a young man, Mr. Miscavige studied to become a Scientology minister and for several years he provided spiritual counseling to parishioners. He later worked closely with Mr. Hubbard, aiding in the production of instructional films and materials for Scientology ministers-in-training. A few years later, he progressed to international management, with responsibility for the worldwide activities of Church missionaries. In 1987, Mr. Miscavige became the Chairman of the Board of Religious Technology Center.

      • PoisonIvyHerself

        Just so you know, that wasn’t the same ‘Dallas, Texas’ as the one in ‘Dallas Texas’. It was another Dallas, and another place called Texas. Amazing coincidence. In point of fact, Captain David Miscavige considers the American state of Texas to be a mysterious “dark continent” where no true Scientologists would dare to tread. Unless they were passionate parishioners expressing their religious rights to wear go-pros on their heads.

        • And I’m Cute, Too

          Oh, I would looooooove to see Miscavige’s lawyers actually try to argue this in front of Judge Waldrip. Though I’m sure any barrister with half a brain cell would quit before agreeing to it.

          Still, five to one the Mental Midget is in fact considering just such a defense. From what I’ve seen, he might be just that divorced from reality.

      • Hubbub

        I’d say that’s “doing business” :)

      • DamOTclese2

        a non-profit organization formed in 1982 to preserve, maintain and protect the Scientology religion.

        ROFL! Non profit! ROFL! Religion. LOL! Well, the insane sociopath has managed to oversee the death of his criminal empire thanks to the Internet.

    • Suzy

      There is a link on the Miscavige rtc dot org page to file a report?? Tempted to file a report of some kind just for lulz.

      • Anonymous

        You should report him for squirreling the tech.

      • WildaBeast

        How’d you get a downvote? Thursday was yesterday!

        • Eclipse-girl

          There have been Down votes coming fast and furious over the last week.
          Perhaps earlier but I wasn’t around much.

          • WildaBeast

            Ahhh, thanks for letting me know. I haven’t been around for a few months myself :-(
            I suppose the downvotes are intended to a) intimidate us, or b) remind us that we’re being watched.
            Good. I’m glad to know we are being watched.

        • Suzy

          It’s never too early to start working on next Thursday’s stats! :)

    • vistaril_LOL

      ya could almost think of it as a cult of personality:)

      • WildaBeast

        Yeah, you join the cult, and lose your personality. It vanishes at roughly the same rate as your money.

    • OrangySky

      Isn’t that an LRH no-no?

    • bigby

      I’ve been seeing that too. I was wondering if that was a paid advertisement or if it’s an automatic ad placement based on what google sees us reading/searching for.

      • Robert Eckert

        The Google ad placements are paid for depending on how many people click on them.

        • WildaBeast

          Then Davey-boy gets his for free, I take it?

          • Robert Eckert

            We could make the sacrifice, to ensure he pays something.

  • Verve

    Wowsers, that is one hot trio of ladies. And brave as heck for blowin’ out. I’m thinking Letterman/Leno’s “Stupid Tricks” section, and they all take turns kicking Kittle Boots’ groinal area.
    Then everyone has tea and is happy.
    :D

  • My name is Larry Lester

    Fantastic. Sock it to them…

  • BosonStark

    The Basics re-release became almost a currency of belief over the brainwashing (auditing) and have such magickal qualities, clams try to sell them to their own children? And in no other fake religion is money so intimately connected to a person’s salvation or value to the organization.

    A lot of parents work to help their children through college or buy their first home or whatever. Scientology parents sell them stuff like robot sales people believing that L. Ron Hubbard’s cuckoo is far more important than family, home, or an education.

    This is representative of the greed Hubbard built into Scientology but also that it doesn’t work at helping the individual. Since Hubbard’s methods are not effective at educating young people or keeping people healthy, physically or spiritually, the cult has to transfer their focus to the sheer delusion about clearing the planet and how millions are transformed when setting eyes on Hubbard’s rubbish.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Yah.. They’re so frking conditioned they’ll reg their own kids and grandkids.. When the only clear fact is there is no such thing as a clear.. Not even a single one..

      • WildaBeast

        There is only a ‘clear’ body of evidence that Scientology is not just full of shit, it’s built from the stuff.

  • My name is Larry Lester

    Interesting. Some hard questions to Kate Cebrano on who she is connected with would be in order. Like Tom Cruise I would interested to see if the rules DONT apply to Kate and co.

    • BosonStark

      Kate Ceberano is Australia’s Tom Cruise, in the way of being her country’s top scilebrity. But there are more parallels between her and Leah, because they both grew up in Scientology families to become celebrities and worshiped by the cult for their potential to disseminate. They are/were the examples of the glowing success of Scientology to make celebrities, which is so important for a religion to do;-)

      One difference is that with Cruise, Travolta and Alley in the U.S., Leah didn’t have to be the main cult draw here, although I guess she came in fourth.

  • Skunkfunk

    First comment ever, and off topic. I believe that it was Larry Anderson on the Season Closer of “American Horror Story, Coven” who asked the star something like “Tell us about your CULT.” This is not a good show, but it was worth watching for those few precious, inside lines. Could someone confirm this information? The scene is at :44 minute mark.

    • Anonymous

      AHS: Coven wrapped up on Wednesday. And don’t go bashing my favorite show!

      • Skunkfunk

        Ha! Loved the first two seasons…just not thrilled with “Coven” The cast amazing! …I really wanted it to be great…does that help?

        • Anonymous

          A bit, yeah. Personally, the first season didn’t hold my attention that well. In any case, I’ve heard rumors the next reboot will have something to do with Nazi Germany, so that could end up looking alot like Asylum. Think about AHS set in a Nazi concentration camp…

    • Captain Howdy

      according to IMDB..nix on the Larry Anderson.

      • Cat Daddy

        Wasn’t he a magician of sorts ?

  • BosonStark

    I hope Leah has read Lawrence Wright’s book, because she will understand that one of the major shifts in Scientology was from selling secrets to celebrity worship. Now they’re just busily trying to make Hubbard into their largest celebrity, with things like the Nutterpedia.

    I don’t think we have to worry about any mass suicide in Scientology, because these people are too busy selling it.

  • Simi Valley

    Does anyone know if Kaye Conley is still active in the Sea Org? Last I heard (a few years ago), she was conducting tours of the LRH Life Exhibition on Hollywood Boulevard.

    • Simi Valley

      At least she wasn’t doing the “other thing” that ecclesiastical leaders have noted that Hollywood Boulevard is famous for.

      • Tony Ortega

        I was told that Jim and Kaye are in Sydney, where they have been active raising money for the Ideal Org there.

        • Simi Valley

          Thanks … makes sense – they would be considered big gun celebs in Australia.

  • Cat Daddy

    “Trisha joined too, and signed the Sea Org’s billion-year contract. She was nine years old.’

    Scientology=Childabuse

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      And the Sea Org = Child Slavery.

      Of course, everyone in the SO is a slave, but using children as free labour… disgusts me in a special way.

      Down with the Cult.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Emotional violence – Psychic violence – massive abuse of children.

      Imagine being in 4th Grade, in Grammar School, doing something wrong. If you were with Hubbard on his fake Navy ship, he would make sure you were thrown in a darkened hole in the bowels of the ship locked up and terrified. If you in Miscavige’s SeaOrg, you’d be put in the RPF brig detail.

      The Cult of $cientology Inc. must be brought down and defanged of its ability to abuse children and commit any crimes institutionally and individually.

      • joan nieman

        I know Max. They have been abusing children for years and are protected by their phony religion cloak. As far as I’m concerned, breaking the law should not be permitted under any circumstances. Free the children!

      • Party Hull!

        I could not possibly agree more.

  • Exterrier

    Any more news on the latest disappeared Scientologist, Barbara Cordova Oliver? Is he still being held in a private Scientology ” treatment” facility, getting the same insane isolation “rundown” that was used to kill Lisa McPherson? Wonder if anyone who knows her is nearby, or whether the husband was transferred back to Clearwater so she can be further isolated in that weird lockdown process Lround devised to finish off those people whose minds he managed to break.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Many people would like to see Leah “take on” David Miscavige and Scientology in as direct and confrontational a way as possible. But I believe she is doing just as much (if not more) good by maintaining a positive outlook on what it is like to leave in a highly public way. Many Scientologists are aware of what she has done. Many well-known people who have blown have been easily dismissed as SPs who are only worthy of Disconnection. It cannot be as easy to treat Leah this way.

    Chrissie Weightman said, “They really wanted a positive spin on it — that you may lose people when you leave Scientology, but you find out who your real friends are, and you get back friends you lost along the way.” Positive spin. Now there’s something that the COB cannot comprehend, and therefore has no control over whatsoever.

    • Observer

      I agree.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Leah has every right to do it in the way she pleases.

    • Anonymous

      Absolutely.

    • vistaril_LOL

      There’s a lot to recommend 12 rounds of punishment v a first round knockout.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        The journey is more satisfying than the destination…

        (At least, that’s what I’ve always said about sex.)

        • Mooser

          “(At least, that’s what I’ve always said about sex.)”

          Yup, one way or another, we end up in the bathroom.

      • Kristi Evans

        Well said, vistaril.

    • bigby

      I think filing a missing-persons report on Shelly and leaving in such a highly public way IS “taking on” Miscavage in a direct and confrontational way. What more do people want from her? I’d say Leah’s been pretty direct and confrontational already.

      I’d love to see the media get a little more direct and confrontational with church.

    • Kristi Evans

      Completely agree. Remini is a smart cookie. She is putting her vituperative emotion aside and doing this the right way – I am absolutely certain that I would not have the self-control to do the same. Kudos to this woman.

      • kmadelyn

        Ms Remini is a tough cookie, but imo, she possesses too much caritas to combat Lame-Duck COB with vituperative arguments & open anger (as Latin’s dead, maybe ‘caritas’ could be an English portmanteau meaning Charity AND temperate Class).
        NB, she was also one of the only Scilon celebs in John Sweeney’s BBC Panorama who tried to be polite. She had surely been coached, but compared to Alley & Archer left one w/a sense that celeb scilons may be misled, but are not necessarily abhorrent.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I am tempted to click that link in the upper right corner.

    How much does the RTC get charged per click? Anyone?

    • Hubbub

      Good article on COS ad costs linked below. The thing to be careful with is that Tony also has a contract with Google to get paid a commission for each click of an ad on his site. Problem is, if Google has any suspicion that people are clicking on ads illegitimately, they won’t pay Tony and might even suspend his account.
      http://www.vice.com/read/how-much-does-the-church-of-scientology-spend-on-advertising

    • ze moo

      Google was getting as high as 4.50 or so per click, but only from their search page to clam.org.

      “According to Google, here’s how much is being paid to advertise, per click, on keywords relating to Scientology:

      “Scientology Religion” $6.91
      “Scientology” $6.18
      “What Is Scientology” $5.46
      “Dianetics” $6.50

      Which is a pretty huge amount compared with other religions. Baptist keywords cost $2.77, Catholic ones are $0.92, and Jewish ones are all the way down at $0.55.”

      Jonny Lambo’s article at vice.com mentioned below, is very good. Describes the ‘click’ advertising business very well.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Thank you!

    • Suzy

      Monique Rathbun should use as evidence the info from RTCs own webpage:

      “Mr. David Miscavige has been the driving force behind the worldwide program to expand all of the churches of Scientology”
      “Mr. David Miscavige personally spearheaded the creation and opening of many of these new Churches, including: Church of Scientology of Dallas, Texas”
      “In the early 1980s, he authored the reorganization of the Church’s corporate and management structures”
      “In fact, under Mr. David Miscavige’s guidance,” blah blah blah

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Too funny– whenever I even read about Miscavige I tend to hear “blah blah blah…!”

        • RMycroft

          Listening to his speeches, it’s like Charlie Brown adults, but with a smarmy Shermanspeak accent.

    • RMycroft

      Ah! Doubleclick is blocked at the router, so I never see those.

  • Anonymous

    The credibility of Scientology and it’s leader Sea Org Captain David Miscavige with the broad public is about as bad as could ever be imagined.

    Bullying behavior, as exemplified by the church’s explicit policy and practice of Disconnection employed against people who no longer wish to be involved, is the organization’s ultimate public confession of spiritual and moral bankruptcy.

    Without bullying, the church has no effective response to people who simply do not want to adhere to the domination of Sea Org Captain David Miscavige and his shrinking groups of minions.

    Scientology cannot endure open inspection of its policies, practices and outcomes, thus it HAS to attempt to silence people who have been involved and chose to leave.

    The need to bully via former adherents via emotional extortion is the most telling aspect of the culture of the church and the personality of it’s leader.

  • Guest

    Great article! These horrifying examples of disconnection are a true insight to the evil that is Scientology.

  • zZZ

    Scientists never stop experimenting and looking for a breakthrough, where is the continuation of experimentation in “Scientology”? I am not a scientist but what scientist ever settles on one idea and turns it into scripture? Scientology seems to have settled on a completely non- scientific approach to science and now rests on old experiments, to my laymen understanding of science. Where is the experimentation or exploration in Scientology? Anyone here a scientist or work in a field of Science?

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Fundamentalism basically says that we already have all the answers, we just have to go back to those basics. Sound familiar?

    • WildaBeast

      The only connection that the concepts ‘science’ and ‘Scientology’ ever had with one another was in the twisted, mentally ill, drug-addled and pathologically deceptive mind of Elron. Scientologists are not even big fans of ANY other type of science. Especially psychiatry. The ‘science’ of Scientology is the only science, to a Scientologist.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      That Scientology is not science is plain. Adherents will claim that LRH was a scientist and researcher. But he left behind no body of evidence for his “discoveries,” and no one carries the work forward. His “Tech” is nothing more than the “closed revelation” of a fundamentalist religion.

      • zZZ

        I can playing along that there was some thoughtful experimentation at one point long ago. Any person can call themselves a scientist if they are actually doing experiments, it is a beautiful idea. But how can they call “closed revelation” a science? Does anyone know, is there any new research or exploration or thinking going on behind closed doors in Scientology? I think they should drop the Science part and just call themselves Hubbardians or something.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I don’t know if I would even be as generous as saying there was “thoughtful experimenting” going on. I really do believe that Hubbard had two sources for his “Tech:” plagiarism and a fertile imagination.

          “Hubbardians” has a nice ring to it. How about Ronitics?

          • zZZ

            Is there a difference between standing on the shoulders of others and using their work as a basis for experiments vs. plagiarism? I am sure all scientists stand on the shoulders of others in acknowledged and un acknowledged ways.

            “Ronitics” would be way more better than Scientology. Since there is seemingly no science going on.

            • lucille austero

              Scientology: equal parts Science and Ology.

            • Eclipse-girl

              There is a difference between standing on the shoulders of those who came before and plagiarism.

              “Standing on the shoulders of those who came before” usually means you have taken their work and gone forward. Einstein stood on the shoulders of physicists who came before him. Andrew Wilie who proved Fermat’s Last Theorem definitely used work of previous mathematicians. These scientists have to cite the work and therefore honor those who came before them

              Plagiarism is taking someones works and claiming it is your own

            • Toni m

              WOW…… Go get him girl.

            • Mooser

              Ron never stood on shoulders, he was better at hiding behind women.

            • WildaBeast

              It’s always possible he stood on the shoulders of one of his wives…while he was beating the crap out of them. Urgh…

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Plagiarism is taking the work of others and claiming it as your own without acknowledgement. This is what LRH has done.

            • WildaBeast

              Bullshitting is making it all up out of your head as you go along without reference to facts. This is also what LRH has done.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              As I said above: plagiarism AND a fertile imagination. Bullshit is pretty fertile, at that!

            • zZZ

              It seems out of character for a peacock like Hubbard not to have published a memoir to spread his imaginary legend. These days every Tom, Dick and Harry puts out a memoir about their importance in the scheme of things. Perhaps Hubbard started one and it lies unfinished and unpublished somewhere.

          • Cat Daddy

            Hubbardsexuals

    • Observer

      Hubbard did tons of research–he said so!

      • zZZ

        Nothing wrong with that. Kids do scientific research and experiments and come up with some very cool stuff. But they do not turn their mouse and hamster experiments into religious scripture.

        • And I’m Cute, Too

          Everything that Hubbard called “research”, was stuff he either cobbled together from other sources, or just made up out of thin air. He never experimented or researched a thing in his life, apparently.

          There is no “science” in Scientology, except in its name. And that’s just for PR.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Yep.

          • zZZ

            This group deserves the harsh ungenerous way it is viewed. If they had done things differently, people might have took a broader more open view of them. Too bad so sad, they lost their chance. Maybe he researched a little bit, maybe he did not. We will never know for sure.

            • Cat Daddy

              I believe he did a little bit, be it just for Dianetics

              He read a Psychologybook before writing it.

            • Mooser

              “We will never know for sure”

              How long are you going to let that beard grow? Til you trip over it? Remember, Occam’s Razor gives the cleanest, closest shave! And try Occam’s After-shave, for that hint of reality which women love, and men admire.

        • Observer

          I was being facetious … there is no evidence that Hubbard did any research whatsoever before making any of his “scientific” claims, and he in fact became upset when his research documentation was requested.

          • zZZ

            Claiming to have done research is no big deal. Whoopidoo you researched. He is not claiming to have travelled to Mars, only, I assume that he looked into and studied something. Maybe he just researched his own belly button. If he bragged that he had studied under the auspices of a certain reputable university and that was proven to be false that would cause for criticism or if he said he had studied a specific topic and it could be proven that he never did, that would be something as well. It seems like nothing but mud slinging to say that he never used his brain or never read a book or never asked a question. Do you know what one of his specific research claims were that was proven false?

            • WildaBeast

              I have seen photos of Elron’s university grades. He flunked out of physics. He also made repeated claims to be a nuclear physicist. He claimed that he was working on the science behind the nuclear bomb in the 1930s, but if you go do the research, you discover that he had nothing to do with any of it – he wasn’t so much as a lab assistant.
              Obs, honey, where’s the link to that flickr page you did up of all Elron’s “hats” (medical doctor, nuclear physicist, humanitarian, etc.)? I know there were a couple shots in there of papers that PROVE his later claims were so much hooey.

            • vistaril_LOL

              + bigamist, fraudster, pill popper, misogynist, pathological fantasist…..

            • WildaBeast

              /grin There’s only so much I can type at once! The insanity of Elron, written out in full, would make a small encyclopedia.
              Oh wait, the Scientologists already published one, didn’t they?

            • Toni m

              Tomato nut? just saying……

            • Observer
            • WildaBeast

              Yay, you’re awesome! I found that link posted elsewhere on the site and read all the text on every one of those shoops. They were pure win. And damned informative!

            • MaxSpaceman

              ‘Tis a grand series, Obsie – simply grand!

            • Tomato Thetan

              “Claiming to have done research is no big deal.”

              Unless you didn’t do research. Then it’s a lie.

            • Jo

              He has claimed to have travelled to Venus. http://youtu.be/xi8ywNNoznE

            • WildaBeast

              Bless everyone who put up links. I’m so bad at that stuff :-(

            • Toni m

              Welcome to my club. Computers and me. Oil and water. We don’t mix.

            • Eclipse-girl

              He claimed to have been to the Van Allen belt, and said it was warm.

              Cosmologists will tell you that is false.

              I thought Ron claimed to have seen Trains on Venus and an implant station on Mars.

              Given that we are arguing whether or not life has existed on Mars, I could call that claim a lie.

            • vistaril_LOL

              PhD – no corroborative evidence, or fellow students who remember him.Did research inside of many rum and pill bottles however.Full bio on line:-

              bitly.com/zvkVPH

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am aware of the psychiatric drugs and volumes of alcohol consumed by the lying bastard who then had the gall to deny psychiatry and psychology have been useful to so many people and has actually saved lives

            • vistaril_LOL

              sorry, that one was for zZZ

            • Eclipse-girl

              No problem.

              ETA : I am not a PhD scientist. Nor is Mr E. However we have worked with many PhDs in our lives. Education and Science are passions of mine.

              It highly irritates me when someone claims there is science in scientology.
              Or that because it worked for them (I am assuming auditting) it must be something wonderful and that it will work for everyone.

            • Observer

              He did claim to have nearly been run over by a freight train on Venus and to have hung out in the Van Allen belts, which he found “hot”.

              http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zQoruq96bgU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzQoruq96bgU

            • TXCowgirl

              And he claimed to have had only two wives (not scientific, I know. Just saying…)

            • Eclipse-girl

              Particularly when there is a marriage certificate and a divorce decree for the missing wife.

            • RMycroft

              I wonder if he tried to claim that the second marriage wasn’t legal and never happened because he was still married to his first wife at the time? (And whose fault was that, eh Elron?)

            • Eclipse-girl

              I do not know the law.
              Ron did get a divorce from Polly while married to Sarah. I assumed the second marriage became legal when the first marriage was terminated.

            • zZZ

              Sounds like Hubbard was on purple microdot (Lysergic acid diethylamide). Many if not religions make some magical and mystical claims written by people like Hubbard. Are all mystical claims to be viewed the same and put in the same file folder labelled ‘Rubbish”? Is it unwise to ever give any validity to the existence of invisible worlds or mysticism? Is Teresa of Ávila to be viewed in the same group as Hubbard the scientist?

            • Robert Eckert

              Did she tell flat-out lies?

            • WildaBeast

              I don’t place all mystical claims in the ‘rubbish’ folder. In fact, I don’t feel myself to be in a position where I can claim anyone’s mystical experience is rubbish – I’ve had too many weird experiences myself. However, I don’t claim that my mystical experiences (as you phrase it) are scientific, provable fact. Hubbard’s trips to the van Allen belt, the damn near getting hit by a train on Venus, all that stuff – he didn’t tell people he had an experience, and then try to explain the meaning he found in his individual experience and hope that others were inspired by it. He claimed these things to be as factual as the law of gravity. THAT is (at least partly) what I call him out for.

            • zZZ

              Is it that uncommon for mystics to relate to their visions as factual and real?

              The “science” part and absence of any interest in continued growth or scientific exploration and scientific research and this group’s turning petrified ideas into scripture is what makes my bullshit meter go off. Douglas D. Douglas called it “closed revelation”. Hardly science. Maybe “Deadscientology” is a better name for it.

            • WildaBeast

              On a personal level, absolutely one relates to mystical – I’m just gonna use ‘spiritual’ from here on in – experiences as real. I know damn well what I’ve seen, I know damn well what effect it’s had on me – but that’s in my own head, you see. I’ll never try to convince anyone, ever, anywhere, that I’ve seen the face of god and been part of it for a brief moment – and yet, I know it happened to me. Do you see the distinction I’m trying to make?

            • zZZ

              I was using the word mysticism and spirituality as being the same thing.

              I do not not see the distinction you are making sorry. If you became a missionary or a priest or lay person of any kind, made that your life’s work, you very well might try to, and make a life of convincing others that you’ve seen the face of god and been part of it for a brief moment. That is, without exception, what that group of people does, no?

            • WildaBeast

              The distinction I’m trying to make is that an experience can be personally valid without being provably factual. That is a line that should always remain clearly drawn. I would never become a missionary. I believe very strongly that a person’s spiritual experiences should remain individual – that nobody has the right or even the ability to act as a middleman between another person and whatever higher powers may be. In that sense I disapprove of all organized religion; however, some religions are far more destructive to their adherents than others. Scientology is one of the most damaging – and on top of that they claim that lies, delusions, and contradictory writings from Elron are ALL scientifically provable fact – although proof to the contrary has been staring them in the face for 60 years.

            • Observer

              I may be completely wrong, but this is starting to feel like a trolling to me. First the mild criticism of LRH, then a subtle defense of him leading up to the inevitable “LRH was no wackier than any other religious figure.” The relative wackiness of religious figures is utterly irrelevant. What is relevant here, on this board, is that LRH created a destructive cult based on demonstrable lies that deliberately, by “scriptural” mandate, engages in criminal activity, fractures families, turns parents and children against each other, discards its elderly and sick when they are no longer productive or when they have been bled dry financially, commits various forms of financial fraud, routinely engages in the violation of civil rights of its current and former members and critics, and functions exactly like an organized criminal empire.

              If you really are new to Scientology watching and don’t know much about it, you have my apologies, but you should also be aware that you are, however inadvertently, employing well-known tactics used by Scientology to disrupt critical discussion.

            • Observer

              Why yes I do. Here’s one of many. While he doesn’t use the word “research”, he clearly implies that research was done.

              “Leukaemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight cases of leukaemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukaemia has been reported to be an engram containing the phrase ‘It turns my blood to water.’”
              – L. Ron Hubbard, “Journal of Scientology,” Issue 15-G, 1953

            • OrangySky

              “Passive Voice Tech.” Pay attention to it! “at least 8 cases HAVE BEEN TREATED” The source of leukaemia HAS BEEN REPORTED. ”
              Dead giveaway, people!
              Real scientists say things like, “In our study, we compared 10 leukemia patients being treated with Dianetics with 10 patients being treated by chemo. We found that the Dianetics produced cures in 8 of the cases.”

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              yep

            • Cat Daddy

              He has been to the Van-Allen-Belt though
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQoruq96bgU

            • Mooser

              “Do you know what one of his specific research claims were that was proven false?”

              ROTFL.

            • grundoon

              “If he bragged that he had studied under the auspices of a certain
              reputable university and that was proven to be false that would cause
              for criticism or if he said he had studied a specific topic and it
              could be proven that he never did, that would be something as well.”

              L. Ron Hubbard bragged that he had studied atomic physics at George Washington University. You may be surprised to learn that it has been proven to be true. You can see it right here on his college transcript.

          • Mooser

            His “discoveries” can usually be pretty closely tied to the time his own marital and financial exigencies.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Whatever came into his head, he called research. Absolutely nothing to do with anything scientific. He made it all up.

      • Jon Hendry

        Would you believe ‘bushels of research’?

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        When you put the bits of it together this way, it really brings it into focus!

        • Eclipse-girl

          OBS is wonderful at what she does. I think this RON series should be published and sent to every effing org in the world

          • aquaclara

            If we dared package this up and sent out to look like regular scilon materials, with an appropriately mocked up command sheet ordering them to post it on the front door and window of their org, they just might follow the instructions! Heheheheh.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I would donate to that effort.

    • Eclipse-girl

      There are no published peer reviewed papers by L Ron.
      That is the hallmark of (academic) science, getting your work published.

      It you go into industry, you realize you will never get you name known, but your work still has to be held to the same standards of academic science. Research and Development is a money loss for most companies because of the incredibly high failure rate.

      Ron kept moving the goal posts. Ron’s examples of the tech working failed so spectacularly that he stopped those show very quickly. One had to rely on his word. Ron would never lie to you, would he?

      There is absolutely no evidence that any of Ron’s “tech” works any better than real therapy. There is a good deal of evidence of the high rates of mental health issues with those who have gone OT III and higher than Ron’s Tech damages people.

      • Jon Hendry

        “There are no published peer reviewed papers by L Ron.That is the hallmark of (academic) science, getting your work published.”

        Or at the very least, if publishing informally, providing sufficient information that your work could be replicated by others and published by them in peer-reviewed journals. He certainly didn’t do that, either.

        • Eclipse-girl

          absolutely correct.

    • Priscilla

      I don’t believe that there EVER was any science in scientology.

      • Eclipse-girl

        That was the first link in the chain of the false advertising involved with this crap.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      It has nothing to do with science. Science fiction was where he came from – all in his head, very imaginative guy, called it research. Same as if I hummed out of tune, said I composed it, called it a symphony. Saying it doesn’t make it so.

      • WildaBeast

        If saying it made it so…well, my life would be very different.

    • aegerprimo

      Look up the definition of “scientific method” and you will easily see that it has NEVER been done in Scientology. There is no documentation backing up the claim of “research”. Ron made it up as he went along. You don’t need to be a person in any field of science to understand that.

      http://www.thefreedictionary.com/scientific+method

      • OrangySky

        TY AP. This is such a pet peeve of mine. I try and avoid reading any discussions on Marty or Mike’s blog where a Ron-lovin’ Indie claims that there was ‘science’ involved. A woman on there was going on about how Ron didn’t make up the Tone Scale, he ‘discovered’ it. So…where are those mathematical calculations for how he arrived at the precise numerical assignement for each Tone? And what experiments did he do to determine what all the tones were…and what emotional states should be left OFF the scale? I would be so very curiously to see that methodology explained. But good people BELIEVE this stuff!

        • Drat

          And what did he USE to MEASURE it???

          • grundoon

            Das Tonometer ist eine höchst präzise wissenschaftliche Messgerät.

            • Drat

              Seriously, blood pressure? Nah, too scientific!

          • grundoon

            A tonometer, of course!

        • aegerprimo

          TY OS. I understand your pet peeve.
          I got sucked into Scientology when young and gullible. I did not question that LRH did research, that he was a nuclear physicist, a mathematician, an engineer. Because of those claims, it made it easy to believe he did real research. I was majoring in engineering when I quit college to join the Sea Org. You’d think I would know better, asked questions, and used critical thinking skills to see it was all a farce. But, I was raised not to question authority, so I did not question LRH’s authority or knowledge.

          I did learn from the experience, and I will NEVER be tricked like that again. I went back to school and graduated (with honors Summa Cum Laude) this past December with a degree in surgical nursing. I studied science, and redid a critical thinking class. I passed my board exam with the highest score in my class. Did I use study tech? HELL NO! (Though I do have a passion for dictionaries.)

          • Eclipse-girl

            Congratulations on your success since leaving

            • aegerprimo

              Thanks! It was because of a sociology research project in college that I got around to looking at what is REALLY going on with the Co$ and Scientology (and I’ve been out for 15+ years).

            • Eclipse-girl

              college — it is good for you.

          • grundoon

            Congratulations, aegerprimo!!

            • aegerprimo

              Thank you!

    • Cat Daddy
      • WildaBeast

        MmmmMMmmm, cookie…
        /looks around
        /sees cookies
        Fuck yeah! Breakfast of champions!
        Sorry I got off-topic there didn’t I?

      • Captain Howdy

        To bad dianetics couldn’t grow him some new teeth.

      • joan nieman

        Thanks for putting up little vids for us to watch Cat. I appreciate them.

    • DamOTclese2

      The only “research” the Scientology crooks do is in finding more ways to rook and swindle their shrinking number of customers out of more money.

  • ömölö

    we saw it with jason beghe. now we can watch it happen with leah remini:
    sometimes actors r e a l l y become very important people.

    • Toni m

      Specially Jason that is speaking about the abuses of scientology. Have you see Scientology: Jason Beghe in Germany? He went all the way to Germany to participate in this conference. 35:05 min. in You Tube. Is very good information.

      • PoisonIvyHerself

        His German speech is really powerful, because he’d decompressed a lot more than he had in the early Bunker interviews. Love you Jason! Go Sagehens!

  • ze moo

    So you have to spend 15 thousand dollars to keep in touch with your parents in the clampire. Is there a discount for Mother or Fathers Day?

    The repackaging of the ‘Basics’ was the South Park episode that let Xenu out of the closet. By now the clams have restarted the bridge for the third time. Patience is one thing, insanity is another. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of $cientology.

    • Anonymous

      “Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of $cientology.”

      Slight edit suggestion:

      Doing Scientology over and over again and still expecting a result is the definition of pointlessness.

      • PoisonIvyHerself

        Missionary Kid? Calling your name!

        • WildaBeast

          He’ll get to it. I’m certain :-)

      • ze moo

        Both are accurate.

    • Kristi Evans

      They’ve restarted the Bridge for the THIRD time? Good grief! Upon what pretense was that built?? I cannot believe that anyone would restart, again… That is just beyond the pale.

  • PoisonIvyHerself

    Karen, J Swift, AGP and Mr. Piggleswaite – exceptionally entertaining but scarily revealing series on the Scientology litigation strategy. Jeff, your dry wit is beyond compare. AGP, great choice of ‘additional’ video re: the Moxon encounter. Bravo and brava to all!

    • MaxSpaceman

      Moxon is a pathetic sight. $cientology Inc.’s Toxic Avenger.

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        Kendrick is a schmendrick!

      • DamOTclese2

        Eliot Abelson is even worse. Moxon looks like festering shit, but Abelson has that over all grease sheen as well.

        • Cat Daddy

          didn’t he recover from a kidney transplant ?

    • J. Swift

      Thank you PoisonIvyHerself.

      I am working to draw attention to the lawyers who take money to enable and defend the savage killing machine that is the Church of Scientology.

      The Church is entitled to legal representation, and, we are entitled to publicize the names of the professionals taking Cult Blood Money to defend a truly evil Cult.

      These lawyers might as well be taking a big payday to defend rapists and pedophiles because the Church of Scientology is the moral equivalent of rape and child sexual molestation. This may seem to be an outrageous statement, but it is not. The shocking revelations about the Church will only get worse in 2014.

      Part of the strategy of doing satire on OSA Legal is predicting their next moves in Texas.

      My associate J. Wentworth Pigglesworth very astutely predicted a Writ of Mandamus two weeks before it was mentioned in Texas. If you Google “scientology writ of mandamus” you can see the Church has done this before, and most notably in 1980 when it worked to keep Church files related to Operation Snow White sealed: http://www.xenu.net/archive/CourtFiles/occf199.html

      See 1:20 forward where Piggleswaite calls for a Writ of Mandamus to protect the client David Miscavige:

      http://youtu.be/0fMqMaXSRm8

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        “The shocking revelations about the Church will only get worse in 2014″

        This is true on so many levels and it just hit me like a wall of bricks recently. For those never ins I don’t think there is any way to prepare you. For those old timers and ex’s of some time, even we are going to have to deal. There is much that will be oozing out of the last vestiges of the carnage and remains … the greedy and creepy monsters who are running because they no longer are granted their protective shields and get out of hell passes.

        There are some I recognized for what they were long ago. There are others who I only now realized after looking back recognized what sociopaths they were. And there are so many others, these forgotten prisoners of belief as Lawrence Wright labelled them, who I now look upon as prisoners of war. Scientology has always been at war with anything and any breathing creature that would come between it’s drooling, foaming mouth of greed and a single dollar bill.

        The Reckoning is not going to be pretty or easy. What Reckoning ever is?

        All I can say is, fasten your seatbelt.

        • DeElizabethan

          Hear, hear, and well said.

      • PoisonIvyHerself

        TY Mr. Swift! In fact, I do recall Mr. Pigglesworth, Esq.’s uncanny prescience!
        The “Church” earns a new slogan:
        “Scientology: Doing the Same Things Over and Over Since 1950…Whether They’re Legal Or Not!”

  • InterestedObserver12

    Nice job of reporting, Tony. Fascinating story behind this simple photo.

  • nottrue

    Scientology must be destroyed

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Thank you Tony for shining a light once again on the other side of the coin…Reconnection. So very happy to hear this one today. I hope all of them get the kind of therapy to help them through the hard times, like holidays, but the fact that they are supporting each other as friends is therapeutic in itself.

    This is typical of the reckoning stories because all that is left are the stone cold veterans and their families propping up a dry docked ship full of barnacles and leaks. The cash cannabilizing is never pretty, but when we get down to acting out within families, it becomes revolting to anyone with a heart.

    The Conley family is well known to just about any scientologist from old timers to current. Religious fanaticism is being recognized more and more as a symptom of various mental disorders that just happen to manifest in religious or cult settings. I am not surprised in the least that Kaye and Jim have slammed the door on their child. It is hard to reconcile how parents could sit by while their children are abused and neglected on a daily basis inside the bowels of the Sea Org madness. Kaye had other children from a former marriage, like Gary Conley. Even as an adult, it is impossible to imagine how a parent can condone this kind of abuse on her own. A day in his life around Miscavige in Hemet is chilling. Not for the faint of heart.

    http://kiwianon.com/forums/index.php?topic=608.15

    Children from families like the Conley’s or the Lewis’s would be well served by current psychiatric understanding and approaches to fanaticism disorders and I hope that they can overcome the terror inflicted by false information about mental health doctors and treatment. No adult child of parents like this walk away unscathed. I am so happy to hear that they are out and have the comfort of other strong bonds with Leah.

    Soup cans and sec checks are no substitute for love and compassion. Scientology children are made to feel guilty for needing it and adults are charged as criminals for giving it. Only a tiny fraction in scientology step into the fanatic level and break their bonds with parent or child, but today the few thousand left are made of that small fragment. I hope to hear more and more stories of the children and/or grandchlidren make it out now and very, very soon.

    “Religious Fanaticism and Poly-behavioral Addiction”
    http://www.ecauldron.net/articles/archives/2006/05/entry_51.php

    “A Psychiatric Case Study on Religious Fanaticism”

    http://www.mgr.org/fanmonk.html

  • SPiderweb

    Kate Ceberano’s Wikipedia page has no mention of her Scientology affiliation, anyone want to fix this?

    • Cat Daddy

      going to make a mention on WWP

    • Cat Daddy
      • ze moo

        They just spouted the ‘official party line’. no Xenu, no disconnection, all is well nothing to see here. ‘Acceptable Truth’ means never having to say the truth.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Lying as a way to keep sociopaths wanking. Its what they are taught to do. From the “most ethical people on the planet.”

        We all know what OT III is about. It is possible but unlikely, that Kate, her parents and her family have never gone that far up the bridge.

  • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

    What a great story Tony! It’s wonderful to see people break out of that mental prison and reconnect with loved ones. Looking forward to many more stories like this over the next year or so! :-)

  • Priscilla

    I love Leah Remini’s style! Thanks, Tony, for this update on her.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    North Korea is much like Miscavige’s prison camp called the Church of Scientology. Yet, North Korean parents still love their children unconditionally. During the food crisis of the 1990s, when millions of North Koreans died of starvation, it has been noted that parents allowed themselves to die as they gave their children what little food they could find. Unconditional love for one’s children is universal. Two things, however, kill that love, destroy the maternal instinct and split up families: crack cocaine and David Miscavige. It is unnatural for parents to disconnect from their children, but then Miscavige has turned the Church of Scientology into a mirror image of himself. He offered his brother $100,000 (probably of the church’s money) to divorce his wife and stay in the church. He ordered Tanya to divorce her husband and sent her husband to the RPF for the crime of loving his wife. He has exiled his own wife into oblivion, apparently sentencing her to spend the rest of her life making sure L. Ron Hubbard’s writings survive any nuclear war. Trisha is free of Miscavige and is leading a good life. Her parents are the losers here.

    • Observer

      Don’t forget that he ordered his own parents to divorce.

      http://www.scientology-cult.com/rtc-divorce-list.html

      • WildaBeast

        Ye gods, what Sigmund Freud would have to say about that!

      • Kristi Evans

        Get the hell out of here? How does a KID force his PARENTS to divorce? This man is insane and a pocket Hitler.

        • grundoon

          That’s what his mom said.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Ron Sr (dad) got into a bit a trouble. I think it was a rape or attempt rape accusation.

          To protect Ron Sr, David forced him to join Sea Org and get dad out of state.

          Mom ( ? Loretta) was not happy about this.

          This is when David forced the divorce.

          I think I read a passage written by Jesse Price at lermanet.

      • grundoon

        Former top Scientology executive Jesse Prince told Lawrence Wollersheim in a 1998 interview:

        David Miscavige’s idea was to end the marriage, because his mother didn’t want to be in the Sea Org. She wanted nothing to do with it. He kind of convinced his father he should be in the Sea Org because he’s getting into too much trouble out there. As his father decided to join the Sea Org, his mother didn’t, he arranged for their divorce.

        L: David Miscavige arranged his own parents’ divorce?

        J: Yes. And his mother, his own mother, from her lips, I heard her say he was like a little Nazi Hitler, he was like a little Satan. She was very disgusted with him. She went on ahead and gave the divorce, and kind of disappeared for a while. Jesse Prince interview (big PDF) – page 77

        Later Jesse elaborated,

        At the same time a person who was my staff (David Sike Bush) did a sec check on Davey’s mother Loretta who was also brought in for the occasion. Davey wanted his mother sec checked to get any other peripheral crimes discovered before something else blew up. At the end of the sec check, both mother and father were made to do lower conditions and they were to get a Chaplain handling.

        I was present for the Chaplain handling and the Chaplain was Davey himself. Davey sat his parents down and told them they were to immediately divorce and Ron senior was joining the Sea Org so that the Sea Org could protect him. Loretta was visibly hurt and upset upon hearing the verdict and accused her son Davey of being a little Hitler in front of others present. The others being Ray Mithoff, Marty Rathbun and Norman Starkey. Davey’s response was to scream at his mother until she just buried her face in her hands in grief. Later Davey did tell her that he would make sure she was very well taken care of.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          OMG I had never heard this.

    • bigby

      Well it’s not really an accurate comparison because there’s really no way to defect inside North Korea. And in the rare cases that people do escape into China you’d better believe that the defector’s parents will say or do anything to curse the name of their departed children in hopes of not being dragged off to some death camp.

      Also, don’t mistake a person who is forced by the church to disconnect from a family member as someone who no longer loves that person. It’s an incredibly painful position they are put in. These parents who are forced to disconnect are tortured, believe me.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I know it is torture for those still in to disconnect from those who have left, even if they left quietly. I know that their “immortal eternity” is being held hostage by a criminal enterprise that masquerades as a religion. I want to shake those who are still in until they understand whatever their “immortal eternity” is, it is still in THEIR hands, not any stupid organization’s hands.

    • kemist

      Two things, however, kill that love, destroy the maternal instinct and split up families: crack cocaine and David Miscavige.

      I’d make that “substance abuse and fundamentalist religion”.

      One doesn’t need to use crack. Alcoholism has split more than its share of families.

      As for fundamentalism, surely you’re familiar with the utterly disgusting concept of “honor” killing, which warps parental love beyond recognition.

      And lest you think fundamentalist christians are all lollipops and butterflies, perhaps you should read this:

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/07/bill-zeller-dead-princeto_n_805689.html

      In fact, both substance abuse and religious fundamentalism have very similar effects on the behavior of those so affected. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same areas of the brain were involved.

      The problem with the CoS (and most cults), of course, is that it’s not really possible to stay inside and not be a fundamentalist. Perhaps that is a part of what separates cult from religion – if the idea of getting kicked out triggers, in most members, a panic similar to that of an addict expecting to miss a hit, you’ve got a cult.

    • Zaphod Beeblebrox

      Now that (the Tanja and Steffan Castle story) I find very interesting. I wouldn’t be surprised if Miscavige had had designs on her, and was grooming her to become one of his sexual playthings (rather like Laurisse).

      • WildaBeast

        I would say that’s virtually a guaranteed proposition.

        • Zaphod Beeblebrox

          You’re probably right.

      • Kristi Evans

        Gross. Lucky her. Not.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      “Unconditional love for one’s children is universal.” Thank you for the comparison to crack cocaine. What an evil evil cult.

    • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

      I’m sorry, but unconditional love for one’s children really isn’t universal. It is very easy to break the bond between parent and child, if it was ever formed in the first place. That’s one reason parent-child bonds, when they are positive, are such precious things. Parents have often done and continue to do to their own children throughout both time and space things that are heinous. Especially their girl children.

  • aegerprimo

    Here is a video Smurf (Garry S.) made at the ACME Theatre screening of Steven Mango’s documentary.

    http://youtu.be/vEQOP9-PdiU

    (Sorry if this has already been posted.)

    • NOLAGirl

      The video he posted before that one (it’s about Barbara Cordova) is good too. I pray she’s ok.

    • Cat Daddy

      cool

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Numbers for yesterday were up after my bedtime, so posting this now :-)

    Alexa update for Jan. 30: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #15,403 – down 190 from yesterday.
    Scientology: US rank #42,987 – down 2,511 from yesterday.

    Difference: 25,263 – 1,088 more than yesterday.

    Biggest difference since Nov. 21.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Do like!

      Thank you.

  • domitare

    Tony Ortega. Sir, I love this piece of reporting. It reads like something out of a good novel, except it is all real. It is beautifully written. I think it is this kind of story and how it is reported that inspires other to make movies. Thank You!

  • Tone

    The Force is strong with this one.

  • Cat Daddy
  • Mark

    Spotted on one of his regular sorties over the FLAG building earlier today, Snortimer Pigglesworth – the Anti-$cientology Flying Pig – is feeling distinctly disgruntled about Karen, J. Swift & AGP’s latest video (refresh):

    • Good Fella

      Setting aside the editorial impact of this image, technically, this is a very fine example of compositing as well as many other techniques. I’ve been using PS for about 30 years and compositing is my passion so my opinion counts. Bloody marvelous, Mark.

      • Mark

        You’re very kind, but I can’t take any credit for the image – it comes from a Photoshop tutorial:
        http://tutorialshive.com/create-flying-pig-poser-photoshop/
        using ‘Poser’ and ready-made 3-D models. I must be much easier to composite elements that way – if you can afford the software and image-royalties!
        (One of the bugbears with shooping Miscavige or Hubbard is that there are so few reasonably high-definition pictures of them doing anything but grinning moronically for publicity purposes – which rather limits what can be done beyond ringing the changes on cut & paste, without resorting to fiddly mesh-distortion).

        • Good Fella

          Hey, thanks for the info and the source materials. You’re so right regarding the rez, goofy looking images that have been used over and over. I’ll check out that tutorial.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      “I’ll sue ‘em in ENGLAND!”

  • Zer0

    There is a wonderful symmetry to what Tony has achieved. Each evil action by Scientology and Miscavige generates an investigative report. The only way to stop the reports, is to stop the abuse.

    Karma’s a bitch, ain’t it Captain Davey?

  • aquaclara

    What a powerful story of friendship despite all the hardship and pressure to break those bonds forever. I would love to hear more about Chrissie’s life, as well as Sherry’s. I hope all these women hug each other tight, and know that the best of friends can make the tough times more bearable. God bless them for leaving the cult, and now speaking out.

    Let alone the damn book-regging, when anyone else would just simply share beloved books among friends and family, Trisha’s story of signing a Sea Org contract at age 9, cleaning houses at age 11, being forced to sleep in a PARKING GARAGE in order to see her mother, a childhood at the Mace-Kingsley Ranch hellhole is unspeakable, awful treatment that should be investigated by law enforcement NOW.

    Because we know there are more. And because one was too many.

    This, sadly, IS WHY.

    • Mooser

      “investigated by law enforcement NOW.”

      If Scientology is running any kind of residential facility, (especially where children are concerned) the State has the right to inspect them. That would be a good start.

      • chukicita

        I am aware of at least one time a (Cadet Org?) facility in CW was inspected — in the 80s or early 90s — and the results were sealed.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Sealed? WTF? The authorities need to start paying attention.

          • Mooser

            Fer Gawds sake, restaurants, hotels, all kinds of facilities get inspected several times a year by different agencies.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Mace Kinglsey is still active in auditing BABIES in Clearwater.

      • Cat Daddy
        • chukicita

          I just threw the rest of my lunch away.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            You know what I did, chukicita (after I threw lunch)? I booked mike! Later….

        • Party Hull!

          “…we do know, based on statistics, babies do much better after getting auditing”.

          No you don’t, fuck off. That’s the most ridiculous sentence I’ve read in my life.

          The concept is disgusting. How very worrying.

          • Sherbet

            Babies do better at WHAT? Lying in a crib? Drooling? Playing with plastic keys? How does one measure such “betterness”?

            As usual, their “statistics” don’t quantify anything.

            • grundoon

              vague suppressive generalities, anyone?

          • Captain Howdy

            SOB is Shakering the cult out of existence. Hopefully not to many more children will have to suffer this ridiculous nightmare.

        • Zaphod Beeblebrox

          Auditing BABIES? That’s a new low, even for Scientologists.

          • aquaclara

            There is no low that is too low for Scientology.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              When you reach the top of Scientology, you still have to gaze upwards to see the belly of the alligator.

        • Great White Clam

          Too far-fetched?

          “Ask not what $cientology can do for your baby. Ask what your baby can do for $cientology.”

        • OrangySky

          “Based on statistics”? Oh, I’d like to see those. And the methodology by which they acquired them.
          Hey, LRH made up all his science. It’s a proud Scientology tradition!

          • Once_Born

            86.743% of all statistics used in advertising are made up on the spot. In Scientology, this figure is approximately 14% higher.

            I know because I made it up it has been shown by research.

        • CobGatYour$$

          THIS IS JUST SO SICK!! The authorities should take away the children of the well known fanatic Scilons. Or better, investigate and make sure 9 year olds cannot sign a “billion year contract!”

      • kemist

        How do they do that ?

        They tape the cans to their hands ?

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          There are all sorts of scientology ‘auditing’ processes that don’t involve or require the e-meter. A “touch assist” is a kind of auditing. Technically, in scientology-speak, it is a “communication process.”

        • Eclipse-girl

          I wish I knew. It sounds criminal to me

      • aquaclara

        I hope that there is a lawsuit from kids imprisoned in the cult at some point. It seems that law enforcement on their own do not take action. I wish I knew why.

      • Kristi Evans

        WTF? I need to get out of here for the day… I find it so incredibly hard to stomach that this shit happens here in the US. I guess history repeats itself…

  • Minion Gayle

    It just stuns me every time I read a story about a parent disconnecting from their child. I can’t imagine how anyone could believe an organization is more important than their child.

    And if my daughter tried to disconnect from me? I’d pass stages 1-4 and go straight to Taylor Swift Stage 5 clinger.

  • Don Cramer

    To borrow a term from the cult (I’m an ex “senior case supervisor”), Mr. & Mrs. Conley have to be “out of valence” in order to disconnect from their own children. I learned the hard way how easily the words love and compassion can suddenly have no meaning to a hard core scientologist. There is a “Keeping Scientology Working” mindset that takes over, which results in a complete disconnect from what is most important in life – for instance .

    • Zaphod Beeblebrox

      It’s horrible to think that these people put ‘religion’ before their flesh and blood. It’s sad, really, how they’re so brainwashed.

  • no_srsly

    I tweeted the Leah-disconnection pic December 17th

    • grundoon

      VWD!

  • Don Cramer

    To borrow a term from the cult (I’m an ex senior case supervisor), Mr. & Mrs. Conley would have to be “out of valence” in order to disconnect from their own children. I learned the hard way how easily the words love and compassion can suddenly have no meaning to a hard core scientologist. There is an enforced “Keeping Scientology Working” mindset that can eventually result in a complete disconnect from what is most important in life – for instance THE LOVE OF YOUR OWN DAUGHTER!!!

    To tell the truth, I made sure I never put my daughters in a position to be recruited despite my position in the church. I could not stand the thought of them going through what I had been going through for years as a staff member. Quite a “withhold”, huh? There was always the hope that conditions in the cult would change and of course they did – they got worse!

    Come on Conleys, its time to embrace your humanity and let love win out – don’t fall prey to the phoney baloney idea that your eternity hangs in the balance. Your eternity is always available to you in the present moment.

    • Mooser

      “To tell the truth, I made sure I never put my daughters in a position to be recruited despite my position in the church.”

      And other people’s kids, well not so much. They gotta look out for themselves.

      • Don Cramer

        Nolo contendere – I deserve that comment. Not fully accurate, but deserved nonetheless.

        • WildaBeast

          No. I don’t believe you did deserve it, really. I’ve done a lot of shitty things in my life, most of them while I was a crack addict (someone else made a comparison today between Scientology and crack cocaine – they may well have a point). Getting off the stuff changed from impossible to almost easy – once I realized one thing:

          Self-hatred and self-blame will never lead to non-destructive behaviour patterns. Virtually anything you’ve done is something you can and should forgive yourself for – as long as you learn from what it is you did.

          There are still amends to be made, of course. Self-forgiveness does not equate with abdication of responsibility for one’s past actions. But don’t hate or blame yourself for the things you did while you were learning to be wiser. It only makes it harder to get to a better place where you can do more good.

          (Edited for clarity in the first sentence)

          • Cat Daddy

            Scientology operates Narconon for a reason

          • Don Cramer

            Thank you for that! Fortunately I’ve been able to let go of feelings of blame, shame and regret and for the most part am now able live my life one moment at a time and have never been more at peace. Mooser’s statement pointed to something that was true and I have no problem with it. I’m not trying to go “zen” on you, but my ego deserves all the blame it gets ;-) I’ve come to know that dwelling on things that happened in the past is futile as the past does not even exist – its just thoughts in the head. I have no egoic need to talk about what I’ve done to “make things right”, I can only live the rest of my life doing the best I can with love as my guide (all sappiness aside).

            • MaxSpaceman

              Well said.

          • DeElizabethan

            You said it, thanks.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          I appreciate your plea.

          I think that one of the hardest things I face when recovering from the cult is to realize all the things I ignored, all the things I didn’t fix, all the people I didn’t help while I “covered my ass” to protect myself. And all the things I did, thinking I was doing the ‘greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics’ that were really destructive. I know my focus was narrowed while in the cult. It does that. It reduces the view to one of self. And a few others.

          I did many things while in the cult that caused or contributed to or simply allowed, harm. Some times for the larger “cause.” Sometimes because I was a righteous asshole.

          I reflect on this a great deal. I try to grasp it. I think I am past blaming myself, past hating myself for it. Wildabeast has a very good point on that.

          But I will never be past the barren realization that I was there, I did it or ignored it and allowed it to happen. That’s just the reality. I’m guilty.

          What I do out of that understanding is my choice. I chose to educate, to share my story, to contribute to ending the cult I contributed to for so many years.

          I deserve all those upbraids for my action or inaction while in the cult. No one has aimed more at me than myself. Nolo Contendere indeed. Still, here I am.

          He who would cast the first stone, take your best shot.

          • Don Cramer

            Well said, brother.

            • anonsparrow

              Hi Don! Glad to see you’re out and speaking up!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Holy Xenu on a stick. I thought I felt the earth shaking today. Still got that 50’s tux?

              Just want to say that there are those who did things foreign to their nature while POW’s to the Sociopaths of Scientology. Scientology has not lasted this long with just one socio at the top you know. I don’t blame the POW’s of scientology. I don’t even blame the sociopaths because they are victim of their mental disease. I blame the laws in this country that don’t seem to recognize either category much less differentiate between the two and even if they did, don’t have the beds and insurance and coverage to effectively treat them. And if they happen to cloak themselves with religious fakery, the outcome is even worse for their victims.

              Hope you are doing well, little sparrow. Miss you.

            • anonsparrow

              Missing you back! You be sure and save my spot for the big party!

            • Cat Daddy
            • Kristi Evans

              ‘Holy Xenu on a stick’. I’m stealing that.

              Thanks!

            • Don Cramer

              Hi Brian, its nice to hear from you. I told you to “get a hobby” one time in front of the DC org when I was still a disaffected public and you were still protesting there :-) It was actually that day or not long afterwards that the director of processing gave me information from your PC folder and I was absolutely horrified – not by the info but by the fact she told me. I told her in no uncertain terms that she couldn’t do that and it disgusted me!! It was despicable and one of the final straws for me (along with the “lying wives” episode of the Anderson Cooper series). I believe that was the last time I ever set foot in that org although I subsequently walked by a few times hoping I might run into you. I think the restraining order was in place by then however. Oh well, it didn’t take me long to get myself declared anyway! Best to you, Don

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              i love this story. Thanks for telling it to the Bunker, but especially to Brian. tissues, please.

            • anonsparrow

              Yep I remember. You were one of the few who actually spoke to me – and most that did weren’t nearly as nice! :) I heard a bit about what you had to go through so I was very happy to see you made it. It’s really amazing how that organization can take basically good people (most of them) and turn them into whatever it is they’ve become. Scary. P.S. I liked your earlier comments about finding eternity in the present moment – concur.

            • Don Cramer

              Thanks and Kudos to you for showing me what REAL confront is (your vids told the story).

            • Cat Daddy

              Hello good old enturbulator

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPV0C91CHjY

            • Sherbet

              Wow. I’m speechless.

            • Captain Howdy

              ^^^^^ O.A.S….Original Anon Superhero

            • grundoon
            • Cat Daddy

              Sientology: Turning good people into Psychopaths

            • Kristi Evans

              ^^^^^^ +100… Man, I’m glad that I witnessed this exchange on the board! Best to Don and Brian for getting out alive!

            • DeElizabethan

              Just saying Hi Sparrow. I love all your comments and your videos. I’m late to the party but then, …. my thoughts are with you.

            • aquaclara

              We’re reading something special here right now between you and Anonsparrow. Thank you for sharing your story. Sorry for the crap you both went through.

            • anonsparrow

              It IS pretty awesome.. :)

            • Cat Daddy
            • aquaclara

              Well, YES. :)

              Look at what your work accomplished. No room for blushing-take the trophy!
              Bowing in awe and big grins,
              Aqua

            • Cat Daddy
            • OrangySky

              Don, may I ask you – the “inch wives” as Tony calls them – what exactly was it about them that tipped the scale for you. Do you think there were others still in who reacted negatively to that?

            • Don Cramer

              It was just so blatantly obvious that they were rehearsed and lying – all the remaining dominoes fell with this realization and the existential crisis set in ;-) I’m sure there could have been others that reacted the same way IF they saw it; however, when you’re “in”, watching a possibly “entheta” (negative) program involves crossing a MAJOR threshold that could cause untold amounts of grief.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S67CTVVv3KQ

            • HeatherGraceful

              With these words, Don, you have given meaning to some of what Brian suffered. Thank you. It’s so good to hear from you both.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Great to hear from you again, Brian!

          • Priscilla

            To the extent that you “deserve all those upbraids” for your actions, you also deserve kudos for speaking out now, for doing what you can to prevent others from joining this destructive cult/business and for supporting others who are finding their way out of the maze. I admire your honesty and integrity, Michael Leondard Tilse and am glad you are out.

          • aquaclara

            Michael, there is not a person among us –ex OR never-in – who has stuff that, in hindsight, could have or maybe should have been done differently, said nicer or acted upon in a more humane way. Hopefully, we also have bits of good things we have done in our lives as well.

            No regrets, ok? You’re casting rainbows and sunshine galore upon this earth right now.
            I am no judge, but even from my little space here on earth, I can see that you are net to the positive. Thank you for doing all that you do.

            • DeElizabethan

              Aquaclara, you are such a breath of fresh air. You as a never-in are more understanding and of high spirit that i just had to tell you how much you’re appreciated. Hope you see this.

              I suffered for over 4 years of stuff like that when I lost the love of my life too. Then mixing or adding in for complication, the Scientology fiasco. Lots of good has come out of it and I’m better for it now, having a purpose for living and doing my best to help myself and others. No regrets and only determination to make right.

          • Kristi Evans

            Hear, hear!

            There is nothing for it but to do right going forward, as best you can. And indies going-right means serious loss and trauma.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Michael and Wildabeast, I agree on both. We all make mistakes and need to forgive each other and be compassionate. But hardest of all, we need to forgive ourselves.

          • Toni m

            No stones from me, Just HUGS. Past is past. Today you are doing a great favor, not only for yourself but for others, by sharing your story. Thank you for your comments I always read them.

          • DeElizabethan

            Thank you Michael for all the things you say here. I wish I could say them, as I feel the same as you on so many points. I have yet to complete the self forgiveness. Like onion peels, there’s still the the self recrimination core that I’ve yet to conquer. I’m going to eat the sucker up some day and hold my head high.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Same here, Michael. Thanks for this important comment.

        • Priscilla

          I’m glad you are out, Don Cramer. I’m glad you protected your daughters to the extent you could. As Tory Magoo says, every little bit counts.

        • Cat Daddy

          Don’t beat up on yourself so much

        • Kristi Evans

          Scientologists, does Don Cramer not represent a successful ‘confront’ and ‘handle’? I think this man deserves a greater standing-O in some ways, than Herr Tiny Boots. He did not blow off Mooser’s comment despite others standing in his stead. If this is what ‘real’ scientology is, without Co$, maybe it’s not bad at all.

        • Toni m

          I love your answer, The doctrine of attack the attacker is not in you anymore. It’s never to late to start again. Nobody can change the past we can only work for a good today and a better tomorrow. Wish you happiness and tranquility in your life.

          • Don Cramer

            Thanks Toni and the same to you.

      • WildaBeast

        That’s being a little rough on the poor guy, isn’t it? He was a member of a brainwashing cult! There’s only so much a person can do to help others at any given moment, and the amount of help one can give others whilst stuck in the cult will inevitably be a good deal less than one

        could give whilst in a happier, healthier place. That he managed to keep his kids out of it is an accomplishment, given how hungry the {Church} is for new members and new money.

        Don, I’m glad you’re out. Good luck to you.

      • Anonymous

        I’m going to be blunt…you are the king of uninformed finger pointing.

        Give it a rest.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      You loved your daughters and a part of you wanted to keep them safe, having deep down doubts that you couldn’t admit to yourself but wanted to protect them. I am so glad for them, and for you that you got out.

    • Cat Daddy
    • aquaclara

      So glad you got out, and found the real answers to a good life. :)

    • Jo

      Love this “its time to embrace your humanity and let love win out”

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      You know, this “losing your eternity” business is stupid. I didn’t buy it when it was run on me. Even hubbard says something like: “look ahead, there is your eternity, and you will be in it in good shape or bad.”

      There is just eternity. You can’t lose it. If scientology is right, you will be in it. It’s right there.

      So typical of hubbard that he had to lay claim to everyone’s future and be the arbiter of destiny.

      And so fitting that he couldn’t even manage his own death without psych drugs and an assumed name.

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        I did buy it when I was in, and all those still in continue to buy it. Its their big lever over the members.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          I know. I encountered it when Paula Michel was put on my lines by OSA to try to figure out if I was suing them. She was a friend of many years. I would have sued if I could have found a lawyer who wasn’t intimidated by them. In 2003 they were like hen’s teeth. Ford Greene who accepted my $5 and agreed to represent me for my refund claim, never did anything to help me get money back. He stopped returning my phone calls and let any statute of limitations run out.

          Paula ran the “You’ll lose your eternity” line on me in 2003 after my ‘doubt formula.’ It worked on her, obviously. To me it was nonsense.

          So, to Paula: Paula, how’s that eternity thing working for you now?

          • 3feetback-of-COS

            Especially when their house of cards really starts falling apart. There are going to be a lot of disoriented, depressed people running around, I am afraid.

      • Drat

        They don’t say you’ll lose you’re eternity. They say you’ll be a rock. Forever.

        • woodrose

          What’s so bad about being a rock? All the rocks I know are pretty happy, peaceful beings. I’ve never seen a rock cry.

          At least the cult doesn’t make rocks disconnect from their pebbles.

          • Drat

            Metaphorically speaking, meaning you’ll be in bad shape. I’d imagine you might have awareness but no perception or mobility, left to endure the torture of your (reactive) mind forever.

            But actually, see Clear to Eternity for more.

            Therein Hubbard says: “As I continue to research, I never cease to be amazed at the amount of gain potentially available to an individual…

            “So what is one really looking at? The higher the level, the longer the time – because one is handling a higher band of potential gain.

            “And what is one rising to, after all?

            “One is rising to eternity.

            “And that is your future – ETERNITY.

            “It will be good for you or bad…”

            So you are eternal anyway. It’s just the STATE you’ll be in that’s being negotiated with the Scientology ethics officers and C/Ses. That is your (and many PCs) introduction to Scientology’s “hell”.

            Please don’t get lost discussions about lack of research. Far more interesting and important is the fact that in some aspects, Scientology parallels the religion it despises most – Christianity.

            • woodrose

              So you are eternal anyway. It’s just the STATE you’ll be in that’s being negotiated with the Scientology ethics officers and C/Ses.

              I wonder if I could get a bargain price on being a plum piece of rock for my eternity? A nice granite boulder in the Sierra, not a chunk of coal to be thrown into a blast furnace. I wanna be Half Dome!

              Maybe I should go see those regges, see if I can afford to be a rock with a view…

            • Drat

              I think you should never settle for anything less than a diamond.

            • OrangySky

              No one’s saying that other religions don’t disdain the scientific method! Of course they do! However, those fundamentalist religions generally see science vs. God’s creation of the world.
              Hubbard DID claim to be a man of science. Vociferously during the Dianetics era, then on and off during his various word spewing over the years. I read again and again certain indies referring to his “science.” Even his choice of the word ‘tech’ shows you that science was at the root of his con.
              Speaking for myself, I don’t expect the fact that Hubbard didn’t use the scientific method will affect in the least any ‘in’ Scientologist. To them, it’s true because Hubbard says its true, period. But I’ve read a few stories from indies here, on ESMB and elsewhere who say that once they were out, that was one of the arguments that helped them get all the way out.

            • Drat

              It’s fine, no need to take it personally. It’s just that I see pages upon pages of discussions about how it was not a science, and would like to see another angle addressed, so I pointed it out.

              What I see in those discussions is primarily total surprise that anyone could consider it a science. What surprises me is that you, Americans with creationists and Christian fundamentalists cutting funding for sexual education in your midst, act surprised. You shouldn’t be.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Many of us lament the quality of public education and the lack of critical thinking being taught.

              Many of us also advocate for quality science education in public schools. It is not cheap. My state has had sever cuts in education, all to “balanace the budget.” Now that there may be a surpls in 2015, our gov wants to cut txes rather than restore money to education or other social programs that were cut.

              I believe those who refuse to fund educations are incredibly short sighted, and perhaps do not want an educated populace because they may research what they are voting one.

            • Drat

              I agree, particularly with your last statement. I keep hearing conflicting reports on the economy in the US. The news in Europe claims the US has survived the worst and is destined to retake its imperialist leadership role. Commentors on forums in the US say the economy is just awful. So who is it improving for?

              It probably has never been easier to learn about things than today. But Scientology is a kind of microcosm of this problem: people are too busy, worn out and worried to actually do so.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Politically , economically —
              The US is surviving and coming back.
              The wealth gap is increasing and is an important issue that should be dealt with. Asking to tax the rich becomes a cry of “class warfare” or “socialism” for some
              Too many people became long term unemployed and will have problems getting back to work, not because they are avoiding work, but because long term unemployed are discriminated against.

            • Cat Daddy
            • Drat

              I think the “interesting times” are still ahead of us.

            • HeatherGraceful

              One must always enquire as to the motive of the person who claims the economy is in dires straits (or is great condition). Often there is a political bias at work.

            • Drat

              An excellent question, and one that isn’t always easy to find the real answer to.

            • Lady Squash

              Thanks for the reference. And it is a negotiation. The question put to you always, directly or indirectly is Will your eternity be good or bad?

              It is powerful, I believe, because there is possibly a grain of truth in it. If you accept reincarnation and if you experienced an increased awareness in SCN, then bing, bang, boom, they’ve got ya.

            • Drat

              True. On the other hand (and this has been my thought for a while), if you accept reincarnation, who is to say it is a downward spiral and not an upward spiral?

              If you consider confirmation bias, you can look around and find confirmation that the world has been getting worse, but also confirmation that it has been getting better. If you find it has been getting better, you can go and say, “well yes, that’s because of Scientology” (the ungrateful world just doesn’t realise it). But maybe it’s getting better because really, it is what everyone wants and to some degree is contributing to. And if there is a spiritual aspect to existence, perhaps we are on an upward spiral. Food for thought.

              Doom and gloom is an instrument of control, and though I initially resisted the thought, I now see Scientology as a modern type of doomsday cult.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Here, now you can say you’ve seen a rock cry.

            http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jezj6j1RgQE

        • Lady Squash

          Quite grandiose when you think about it. But I fell for it. I’ve read that children of alcoholics are easily made to feel responsible for mankind. So disgustingly manipulative.

          • Drat

            That’s interesting, I hadn’t heard of that one. It is part of the abusive cycle, I think. “You are nothing, unless you are who we want you to be.”

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Michael, thank you for saying eternity is always going to be there. A light bulb just went off for me. I wonder if your perspective might be helpful to keep in mind when talking to the still-ins. I have been in deep conversation with the friend who introduced my beloved family member (I will refer to my family member as my brother to keep this anonymous) into the cult 40 years ago when they were teenagers. My friend left in 1976 but my brother is still in and is a 100% KoolAid drinker. (Totally in the bubble, not aware of any of these outside doubters.)

        My friend thinks one of the greatest fears of the still-ins is the fear that if they leave, they risk losing their eternity. We have been struggling with how to approach my brother with a message that it is safe out here. But – we think he will still worry about his eternity. Maybe I can use this approach in a gentle way to ease the fear.

        • Priscilla

          Am sending my best wishes, FMFH.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Thank you Priscilla. Crying right now. 40 years is a long time.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I had no idea. Thank you for having the courage to share.
          I hope you see your brother soon.

        • aquaclara

          Good luck, Free.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          I wish you the best. I hope it leads to him getting out.

      • Lady Squash

        That make him a kind of God, in his own eyes. It is truly sick. Those who are In and believe this, should try to clay demo it. That might be eye opening.

      • Anonymous

        The first time I ever heard “I’ll take your eternity away” was also the last time anyone ever said it to me, because I simply unloaded on the (fairly senior Sea Org) twit who thought:

        1) They had anything to do with my eternity

        2) That I would be intimidated by a threat that stupid

        3) That I would not simply call Miscavige and ask him what he thought about the threat

        Incredibly, it was #3 above that rang a bell with the person and caused them to nearly break down in tears of apology. It was terrifying to the person in a way that I had no idea was possible.

        This was one of many incidents that when looked at in combination helped me understand (very much like the Paul Haggis epiphany) that I was in a cult and could not see it at the time.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Nice. It would be great to hear your story some day.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Personally, I am a big fan of forgiveness — of self and of others. Otherwise, we just hold on to the various emotional toxins within us.

    • Simi Valley

      Kaye Conley used to tell people proudly that she was a “Class VIII” in PR, i.e. that her training in Scientology public relations was so advanced as to be the equivalent of a Class VIII auditor.

      • Drat

        Good heavens. Status is everything. Where’s that Porsche?

    • Kristi Evans

      Right on, Mr. Cramer! I hope that other Scn members see this post!!!

    • Shirley Eugeste

      Can you explain this to a never-in? What is meant by ‘having an eternity”? I’m guessing that’s the succession of lifetimes that enable a Sea Org member to fulfill a billion year contract. Do Scientologists believe in a form of eternal reward/reunion in heaven with dear departed/understanding it all by and by? It doesn’t seem as though that’s quite what Scientology is offering. Does a Scientologist consider his eternity = the opportunity to keep coming back and working for Scientology? Do they somehow derive comfort from that prospect, such that the threat of being deprived the opportunity — of losing one’s eternity — can become a big motivating factor in a Scientologist’s life? And what becomes of the Scientologists who lose their eternities? That is, what is it they actually fear?

      What’s a Scientology funeral like? Are you allowed to mourn a loved one’s death, or are you supposed to act like you’re confident they’ll come back? Will you necessarily know them, or they you, in the next life?

      I’m just curious how it is that the “eternal” aspect of Scientology became part of the control mechanism. Of course, it’s entirely likely that I’ve got it all wrong.

  • Sherbet

    The Johnny Lewis story is horrifying. It would be easy to say that scientology with its abhorrence of psychiatry and psychotropic meds is to blame, but that would be way too simplistic and probably not very accurate. I didn’t know Lewis as an actor at all, but it’s a very sad tale.

    • aquaclara

      I just read this article, and it is so sad. The damage and the loss of life here – it is tragic. Since he was found with no drugs in his system, there is no easy answer. I think the combination of head trauma plus the psychological trauma from the cult could have set him up for problems. Too, he may have been predisposed to lack of control issues, which would have been made all the worse by the cult’s refusal to seek treatment.

      It does sound like his father tried to do his best to get him treated and situated, but it didn’t work. And not taking meds would have been consistent with how he had been raised, so there is little surprise in that.

      Another story of lives destroyed by Scientology, in some way or another. I feel sorry for his family and for the family of the woman he killed.

      • Sherbet

        Yes, it was sad on several levels, aquaclara, with several families affected.

      • kemist

        The description reminded me both of a person I know with borderline personality disorder and a psychiatric report I read evaluating someone who suffered from chronic pain. The avoidance of light suggests crippling migraines, which are common in victims of concussion, even mild.

        Borderline personality is often misdiagnosed at first as other things, and often it takes a while for doctors and family to know what’s going on. Chronic pain, especially in someone raised to avoid medication including that which would alleviate pain, blame victims and internalize negative feelings, would certainly exacerbate the problematic aspects of borderline personality exponentially.

        • Science Doc

          Clearly multiple very bad things there – some probably related to the head injury – some not. A family with a focus on conventional health care would have been more effective managing this situation. One impression is that Daddy just threw money at his problems. Want to go to rehab, sure. Want to check into the writer’s cottage, sure. Want to get bailed out of jail, sure.

          • OrangySky

            The head injury is tragic. We’ll never know how many lives are permanently changed by traumatic brain injuries.

      • Artoo45

        All lives are precious, but the woman he killed was a glorious human being and widely loved in Hollywood.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    One of the sublime delights of this story is that Leah and these ladies are so photogenic. The mass media of today is so focused on celebrity and the visual that the story involving these beautiful strong women becomes an instant lead.

    The human element of family anguish, lost friends, secret lives, dictatorial faux religious poop and 1984ish thoughtcrime combine into an endlessly fascinating saga.

    As we know, the sunlight of media exposure to the hidden corners of the tawdry scientology universe tends to disinfect. Absolute sunlight disinfects absolutely.

    So the oftentimes disparate imperatives of entertainment and justice are joined.

    It shouldn’t be that way. In a better, fairer world, the wheels of the law would not need the added motive power of popular public interest to render justice equally for all. But in this one, good stories that include celebrities and beautiful people help raise the issue to the public eye. Outrage across the world at the evil being done, sparked by stories like this, spell the end to the scientology horror-show.

    And to Leah, Trisha and Sherry: You women ROCK.

    • Anonymous

      It is interesting that the idea of using celebrity endorsers in Scientology has the same risks that it does in the secular world.

      When the endorser goes feral, the image of the endorsed goes along for the ride.

      • ze moo

        The dwarfenführer must be seething every time he hears the name ‘Remini’. This is what happens when you hitch your PR to a cleb. You have to treat them very carefully or they will bite you. Davey lives in fear of the day Travolta or Cruise wakes up and starts talking to Jason Bighe.

        The clampire doesn’t have the intelligence or experience of a decent three card monty scammer these days.

      • Kristi Evans

        Well said.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      This is yet another of your posts that should be in your book. Splendiferous.

  • Jo

    Scientology FB. Information can be confusing, I’m confused? See pic :)

    • domitare

      I tried to look at it anew now that I’m out. It makes no sense but sounds deep and insightful. But now it sounds more like a hypnotic induction. Barried in the induction you find the post hypnotic suggestion that “scientology is a science.” Milton Erickson would impressed . . . maybe.

    • kemist

      Well, teh Tech is completely useless. It doesn’t do what it’s supposed to do.

      Show me a MFing Clear.

      Also, anyone who actually needs to write a book with the title The Fundamentals of Thought is a pretentious nitwit.

      • OrangySky

        Maybe Jefferson will dissect it for us!

    • Observer

      “Any information is valuable to the degree that you can use it. In other words, I’m saying the exact same words but changing a couple of words at the end.” Snort!

    • Toni m

      What in the world is that? My head hurts now….

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    I apologize if this has been posted, but check out Cindy Temps’ articulate and heartfelt outing of herself on Mike Rinder’s blog. Her two beloved children were forced to disconnect from her for reading blogs and being under the radar. She says, ” What kind of church forbids you to read the internet or watch a TV news show? What kind of church destroys families through disconnection and destroys the 2nddynamic through forced abortions? ” She tells an incredibly powerful story, a testament to the absolute fail of the cult.

    • woodrose

      I appreciate that Cindy told her story, as I’m grateful to all the exes who speak out.

      I did shake my head while reading her story, though. For decades, she has known of forced abortions in the cult, counseling women who were troubled and tortured by their experience, yet she still raised her daughter in the cult?

      I wonder how many people she has disconnected from on orders of the cult, yet now she is shocked, shocked, shocked, that people are disconnecting from her.

      I guess that everyone in the cult sees these cruel practices, but just assumes they will never touch their own family. Very bad assumption.

      I do hope that Cindy’s children can see their own situation and make the decision not to raise their own children (when they have them) in the cult. I hope they can see that raising children in the cult is very, very risky — anyone who wants to maintain contact with their kids when they are adults should run for the doors, while the children are young.

      • Drat

        Cognitive dissonance, the mental stress from when you hold two or more conflicting ideas or beliefs in your mind.

        In my experience, when you’re enmeshed in Scientology and all its screaming divaesque importances, all its suffering and misery and claims of miraculous life-saving “wins”, it is really hard to properly evaluate what is happening. It is my belief that cognitive dissonance actually equals cognitive malfunction, that your mind kind of freezes and then releases into the path of least immediate punishment.

        I’ve never been “in” to the degree this lady is (studied part of the Briefing Course and went up to OT7), I just grew up there. And I’ve been on the fringes for a long time. And still it has taken me over a year of intense reading, learning, talking and some therapy, and letting go of excessive grief just to reach a point where I’m beginning to feel I can see the world in a more wholesome light. There are days when I feel I can just barely grasp the magnitude of what was done, and in those moments my life feels completely unreal.

        I understand that she isn’t there yet. You need to move at your own pace, and you need to WANT to.

        • woodrose

          Thanks for your response.

          Wish I could give you a big hug. It breaks my heart to read the stories of people born into the cult who leave as young adults. Such a tough road to make it in the ‘wog’ world, often without any family support at all. And doing it while recovering from the emotional battering of the cult must be overwhelming. Kudos to you for making it this far and speaking out to help others. You have my respect and very best wishes.

          I understand what you say about having to WANT to move out of Scientology. Many, like Cindy, are expelled against their will and have a long journey to reach the point where they are glad they are out. I wish her and her kids all the best, hopefully with all of them out soon.

          Scilons must be drowning in cognitive dissonance regarding loving relationships. They say they value families, yet they spy on family members, write KRs on each other, and allow cult authorities to dictate that they must divorce their spouses. Simply unimaginable to me, as a married person. Tragic and crazy and sad.

          • Drat

            Drowning in cognitive dissonance is a good way to put it. They are trapped in a twisted value system as well, and suffer from what is known as “cognitive DISTORTION”. The result of cognitive distortion in a cult context is that invariably, in your own eyes you will be worth nothing and the leader/group will be worth everything. This is actually a set of personal beliefs you run around with, even after leaving, and shedding them is real work.

            I understand that it is so hard to understand as a never in. I find myself strangely “on the fence”, looking at both sides, Scientology and real life. Both seem unreal, and understanding how people in the real world really respond and what their motives are and that they actually can mean what they say when they say something nice isn’t easy.

            Funny old world, innit?

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          I thought the way one handles, specifically the way I handled my cognitive dissonance was very interesting.

          I handled it by reducing the value or importance of one of the colliding thoughts. Like, the value of education vs the value of ‘scientology’ education. I reduced the importance, in my thinking, of actual education in college by coming up with all the negatives given me and even some I made up myself.

          With less importance on one side of the conflict or the other, the ‘dissonance’ is reduced and you can live with it, rather than investigate it.

          • Drat

            I think that might be a natural response in life, but I think cognitive distortion, which I wrote about further down, invariably biases the decision you will make in favour of the cult.

          • Ardent

            That makes sense. It is a form of rationalisation that one must do in order to maintain balance. Sadly, the alternative could lead to a dissociative state and breakdown – things which, I believe, have happened to Scientologists before.

          • OrangySky

            Great observations Michael.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Well said, Drat. As more and more people leave, we can at least offer a safe haven emotionally to allow space for their healing. Cindy Temps is an example.

          • Drat

            Yes, healing is very much needed. Often those leaving are the last to realise it.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I was frustrated by this article.

      She is an indie who thinks it was great before DM.

      I am glad she is out. I feel very sad that her children have disconnected, right before a planned Xmas vacation.
      But I want her to realize that Ron was a an evil, lying bastard. I want her to realize that scientology is a con.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Eclipse, I think best to give her time. She is still in shock from losing her children – this seems to have happened in the last month in lieu of their Christmas cruise. It was the last straw of many straws. But she is devastated and at least is speaking out.

        It seems the way out often includes this “way station” of being an Indie – although some stay there for years (I know an ex who is an Indie 10 years out). Look at Marty Rathbun who finally has moved away from LRH and the scientology creed but it has been 9-10 years since he blew.

        That said, I am very curious about how many leave as “Indies” or “believers,” and how many leave the whole BS behind when they blow or get declared. It is hard to get a good census since so many stay under the radar!

        • Eclipse-girl

          I know I need to give it time.
          I know that those who leave need time to heal and decompress.
          I know that many of those who leave disavow Ron after doing a good deal of research.

          I am just impatient today.

          I know the woman is hurting.
          She needs compassion and empathy.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            I love you Eclipse Girl, I am impatient today too, and getting more and more disgusted that law enforcement, the FBI, the IRS, just don’t care. Barbara Cordova and the Russian $cilon who died this week after falling from the building?

            • Eclipse-girl

              It is a shame that our branches of law enforcements so not seem to care about missing people, people harming themselves or others. monetary crimes, etc.

              I would like that to change.

              I know there was an FBI investigation that was dealing with both Mike and Marty and they were told those kept in the hole would probably not want to leave.
              But what about the person kept there who is done with this shit?

              What about Tanja Castle who was help against here wishes?

              We know there are others.

      • OrangySky

        Most Indies think that at first. She may always think that.

        Look, she wasn’t even planning on leaving the church! She didn’t “blow” – she was just making comments to friends about problems that she and [everyone else in the world except koolaid drinkers] had noticed. She wasn’t even on a soapbox – she didn’t even say her son couldn’t join the Sea Org! No! She basically just told her son she was worried about him going to Flag or Gold for his Sea Org posting because of some pretty heavy duty rumors she had heard – some directly from Sea Orgers – about how bad it was at those postings. She also shared her concerns with a few friends.

        If that story doesn’t show how incredibly paranoid COB is right now, I don’t know what will. Here is a Scientologist in good standing who says, “Hey I read the internet, what’s this?” and immediately gets ethic’d and disconnected – right out of her devotion to the church.

        Had COB not done that, Cindy probably would’ve stayed in and under the radar for a while longer – more time for them to bilk her of her money. Nope. Instead, Davey drives her away in record time. And now she’s mad as hell and speaking out. Good going.

        And yeah, as we’ve learned from Jefferson, it’s LRH’s ethics’ policies that got this ball rolling. But it’s so much easier for the freshly free to blame it all on COB – and in fact, it was COB in this case who ordered her disconnected from her kids.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          “At first I wasn’t too concerned about the padded stats DM gave at the events. I was willing to chalk it up to his ego and indulge him, all in order to get on with my Bridge and route to total spiritual freedom.”

          • OrangySky

            The Infinite Complacency…

        • Eclipse-girl

          To me, it just reinforces the fascistic spying on your family and neighbors.

          Doubt is not allowed in scientology
          Talking to others about your doubt is going to get you into trouble.

        • Kristi Evans

          You said it, OrangySky… I can’t believe the foot bullets this mutha expends upon his own appendages. He literally trips over dollar bills to grasp at pennies. He’s so paranoid and in a bunker mentality, that he can tolerate absolutely zero *questions*? – forget about actual ‘dissent’! I wish I could sit in COB’s mind for an entire week – as an observer – and understand what his thought processes are. It’s fascinating, I won’t lie! He just does things, over and over and over again, that shoot his own life to pieces. He obviously values himself, and he must know that what he is doing is making it come to a halt. He’ll have to flee, at some point, go in hiding, as LRH did. Gadzooks.

      • Kristi Evans

        I think that that happens in stages. Some parts of it work for some people, and none of it ultimately works for many… but I can’t imagine instantly disavowing a framework for thought that one has had for 30 years. I don’t blame her for being an adhering indie.

        • Cat Daddy

          BINGO

        • Eclipse-girl

          I don’t know if you were able to catch the rest of the conversation.

          I was in a dark mood when I wrote that.

          I know the “freshly minted” exes are usually still in thrall of Ron.
          It will take them years to heal from the psychological damage.
          Exes do require compassion and empathy, some things that were lacking in their lives for so long.

          Many exes continue to research / discover more about the history of Ron and Dianetics and $cientology.
          Many exes come to disavow Ron and $cientology completely.
          But it takes time.

          As stated before, I was impatient and in a dark mood.
          I am glad the woman is out and hopefully she will continue to share her story.
          Hopefully she will continue to look into who Ron was, and understand that there have been indies or people who left since the beginning.

    • Espiando

      She thinks LRH cancelled Fair Game. Anyone who has any capability to read (which leaves out Scilons after they’ve been exposed to Word Clearing) knows that he cancelled the use of the term “Fair Game”, but not the actions. So, fuck her.

    • Kristi Evans

      She was Jane Doe?!!! HOLY FLIPPING TOLEDO!

      When is Co$ going to wake up? As an outsider, this seems like a tidal wave of defection from the old timers! The numbers were low anyway, but soon it seems it could be in the four digits by the end of the decade. This man, Miscavige is killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

  • blossomingbud

    Read the link about Stefan Castle and his wife Tanja, I have never heard their story before. It’s very touching.

    • noseinabk

      Touching and a very happy ending.
      Pic from 2012…..

      • blossomingbud

        Adorable! Glad they got a happy ending :)

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      From their wedding. Nice try with that collar, Sciloon.

  • DamOTclese2

    Leah always seems like such a neat mix of both class and rugged. :) You can tell that if she wanted to kick ass, he would and could, yet she’s got style, grace, and class. It’s pretty meat to watch. :)

    In other news in case you didn’t hear it, the Scientology Volunteer Ministers OFFICIAL web site is back up and as soon as my check from Eli Lilly and Company clears the bank I will be updating it.

    I got some amusingly violent messages from a Scientology asshole who did not like my twittering of the truth about these Vulture Ministers which I’ll have to decide whether to share or not. Intercepted emails that are sent to people who then pass them along are offered under Fair Use so the violent insane Scientology clown who threatened me can go hump Hubbard.

    Also the Scientology clowns are pushing their “Volunteer Ministers” fiasco that got aired on USA Today which did not know what the hell they were looking at and ended up selling the Scientology fraud.

    What is ugly here is that they are showing a child that needs actual help and yet these crooks are fucking him up with their quack medical frauds. Got to wonder if there was an actual doctor or nurse shoved aside so that these insane crooks could do their public relations fraud on the kid.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      very excellent COSVM website. I love how you debunk their claims, pulling no punches!

    • aquaclara

      Echoing 3feetback-of-COS…this is an excellent website. Thanks for this. Good luck handling the flying monkeys, too.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      OMG touch assists! And who paid for the 6 months of HIV monitoring for Josh, who cut his finger? He doesn’t have health insurance form his cult, that is for sure.

    • joan nieman

      It infuriates me to the point of ” boiling”. They shouldn’t let those people anywhere near children or sick people.

  • WhamBham

    I’m tired of “walking on egg shells” around “ex” Scientology members…that’s great that she is getting her acting career going but I’m sorry…she needs to tell it like it is…not “quiet, subtle” jabs….

    yeah, I know I’ll get downvotes for this but I’m so furious I can barely see straight…..tired of the “we need to give ex members time to deprogram, decompress, etc” (THERE IS WAAAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION OUT THERE TO KEEP QUIET)

    YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON….THE WORLD NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT IT.

    • Drat

      Yeah, well. I’d trust a surgeon with a chainsaw, too.

    • aquaclara

      Give them room to heal, ok? It’s not like a lightswitch suddenly turns on for them, showing them the world as those on the outside see it. The reveals, the language, the culture – all changes.

      When someone leaves, they hopefully learn that most people in the world DON’T cite EllerH for every breath they take, or go rush to the damn approved dictionary to clear a word they haven’t heard used often. You know, words like restaurant, and fun, and laughter. Or a glass of wine or a beer.

      I cannot imagine a time in my life when I would have faced the loss of all of my friends, all of my family, and the entire belief system I had. Yet, every ex who posts here has had to face this and more. Imagine never being able to walk into a Barnes and Noble or a library, or surf the internet or go to a doctor. I love my books, and relish reading what I wish. I want this and a whole lot more for everybody….

      This stuff takes time. Let’s cheer those on who come here and speak up.

      • Guest

        NO, I’m sorry but there is too much information out there to choose to be quiet and “decompress”. Murders, suicides, child labor, rpf….all shocking and disgusting….I will list here the most HORRIFIC things that the cult has done. Just a “very quick” google search will bring up these things. give me a few minutes……

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. But please, go ahead and google. It should make you an expert on everything in 5.4 seconds. I have a few leftover OT certs if you want them, that should help.

        • Drat

          You ought to fit right in with CCHR.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          What makes you believe Leah has witnessed any of the horrific crimes you’ve mentioned? Do you suspect she knows where bodies are buried? By your own admission, there is already a ton of information available. So what do you want to hear from her specifically?

          • EnthralledObserver

            Leah is to be deposed in the Rathbun case… she knows stuff, for sure. I don’t know if airing that all public now is the right answer, but probably she could extrapolate afterwards.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Of course she must have relevant information, and I’d love to hear it. But the way WhamBam phrased his comments, it reads as though he believes Leah was party to or was aware of some very serious crimes, which I strongly doubt.

              And I dislike the “STFU ABOUT YOUR DUMB TV SHOW AND TELL US ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY RIGHT NOW!” attitude that have some have expressed. We don’t know how she’s really handling her transition out of Scientology. We don’t know the thought processes she uses to make decisions about her life and career.

              I will be excited to read or hear what she has to say when she’s ready to say it. Or when the deposition is made public. There’s nothing wrong with patience.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I can see how you made that interpretation of WhamBam’s comment, but I didn’t read it that way. WB just want Leah to directly say what she knows now (whatever it is), as do we all, because while people leave and not speak up the atrocities are allowed to continue to occur to others.
              I’m definitely patient enough to wait to see what’s revealed in the depo… but it would be nice to hear more from Leah afterwards.

        • Priscilla

          There are more goals here than to simply let the world know what is going on. For sure, that’s important, and many people are doing just that. We need other voices as well, because another important goal is to help people inside the cult leave. A number of exes have commented that it was a quiet comment, a friendly note or a gentle question that allowed them to begin to see reality. So, WhamBam, if I may say so, we need the loud voices and the gentle voices. Each will speak to different people.

        • Sunny Sands

          Leah is not anyone’s personal army.

          She’s also on a worldwide stage. So whatever zings she is able to put out there will have tremendous repercussions.

      • EnthralledObserver

        I’m going to disagree on the point that if anyone else put their career ahead of helping prevent or expose a crime in any other situation, they’d be torn down for being selfish. It is her career that is being protected by not speaking out… not her mental state, or her having time to comprehend everything, or learning a new ‘world’.
        Don’t be fooled into thinking Leah is a confused damsel… she filed a missing person’s report about Shelly, and before that asked Davey Makemerich directly where IS his WIFE after seeing the bastard fondle another woman’s behind. Not to mention she is to be deposed in the Rathbun case – she KNOWS stuff!
        I’m patient enough to wait until that has happened and we see what is revealed, but after that I expect her to speak up a bit more – not doing so merely for the protection of your career is not acceptable really. If there is more to it I’m willing to take that into account, of course.

    • Eclipse-girl

      You do not have the right to ask anyone other than yourself to be in this fight.

    • BosonStark

      I agree with you about Leah needing to be less subtle, but she’s already done an interpretive dance about her struggle getting out, and it’s so much better than having her in the cult shilling for it.

      Although subtle to us, inside the cult, this kind of thing causes waves, really shakes them up. I hope she collects a big group of pretty friends who have had nasty experiences in the cult.

      Leah lost her cult family but she’s still got her real one, and it’s not like she can tell her mother, “Ma, I love ya but ya raised me in a mind control cult founded by a lunatic.” She may never come to that realization. She thinks of herself as a very outspoken, down-to-earth person and it’s going to take her a while to find her place, so to speak.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      WhamBam – Yup I gave you a downvote. These people have been brainwashed for years, decades. They need support when they leave. There will be more and more leaving and they all need to heal. I want them all to get out safely and reconnect with family and friends and have free minds and free hearts. But it takes time.

      There is a lot of info out there but remember – these folks didn’t allow themselves to see it. I can guarantee you that before Leah left, she didn’t allow herself to read the entheta until the end – that is one of the the last steps. When you first heard of the cult did you figure everything out in a week or a month? Probably not. Lots of folks – still-ins, exes, and never-ins — lurk, explore, look at websites and blogs, and then finally comment saying they have put the pieces together and are ready to comment.

      But also – lots of us do so anonymously. Destructive mind control cults and their thought stopping, evil tentacles are very hard to unwind.

      (I will take back my post if you are an ex who left, lost all your friends and family, and within 6 months announced your name and wrote your story against the cult, made a movie, or wrote a book. But most people aren’t like that.)

  • Drat

    Leah is doing Cult Leaving 101 for all to see, so others can follow suit. One of the basics after leaving is “there’s no better revenge than success”. She’s doing real good.

    Formerly:
    Scientology: destroying families on an industrial scale.

    Now:
    Scientology: getting motion sickness from circling the drain

    Or:
    Scientology is when the jokes write themselves.

  • Truthiwant

    I’ve just received a copy of OT Universe ( a european magazine from AOSH Europe) and I turned to the OT phenomenon page.

    What the heck is happening with the OT levels? I used to read scintillatingly wonderful over-the-top stories of momentous OT yarns…and this is the best they can do now?…

    “The day that I finished OT V, I wanted to call an old friend, who doesn’t live in Europe and who I handn’t spoken to in a long time. Her phone was turned off and it looked like it was not going to be possible to speak to her. I called my brother, who lives near to her, to ask him to help me find her. He told me that he hadn’t seen her for a few days but, oddly, she was standing in front of him at that very moment.” – N.R.

    • Drat

      I recommend George Martin, much better read. Or Patrick Rothfuss if you prefer a bit more magic.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I like both authors.

        • Drat

          His Name is Joffrey! Not Geoffrey!

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CLCOvZOh1o

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            This made my day. “Winter has been coming for sixteen f@&$ing years!!!” And yes, I’m one of those obnoxious people that needs you to know I read the books years before the HBO show.

            • Sandy

              Jimmy. The books are terrific stories. We don’t have HBO, so I am familiar thru reading. It is worth it, folks, to go to your local library and get (at least) the first in the series to see if you like that kinda thing.

            • Drat

              Me too :)

    • Science Doc

      OT IX lets you communicate directly with people who don’t have phones and aren’t standing in front of people with phones. The level is called “The Internet Revealed”.

    • anonsparrow

      So in other words the OT V’s old friend wanted nothing to do with him and the OT V’s brother was covering for her. What awesome power and ability! (to repel)

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      WOOOOOOOWWWW!!!!!!

    • Ardent

      Coool! That is so frickin’ O…T..! Up Your Bridge! Mutters: “dingbat…”

    • OrangySky

      That does it. I’m convinced. Sign me up. To whom do I write my check for $400,000?

      • Missionary Kid

        Me. For that amount, I’ll provide a much more educational, stimulating experiences, as well as never regging you. Hopefully, I’ll be able, with the help of real professional mental health workers, to help you through any of your problems. On top of that, I’ll help you invest it so that you will have much of it left over.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Wow, that is so worth $400,000… And the poor woman probably had her phone turned off because she couldn’t pay her bill because she gave all her money to the cult of greed…

  • Cat Daddy
    • Cat Daddy

      Lol at votedown

  • Sunny Sands

    Here’s a pic from today of the now fenced in tent lot. This is where the new LRH auditorium is supposed to be someday. There is a raised platform type of vehicle here on the side of the fence. It was raining, and not much was going on.

    • anonsparrow

      I wonder if Miscavige will last long enough to see this one through? What with the GATII hemorrhage and whatnot.

      • Sunny Sands

        I see building plans called “right of way” they’ve applied for at the City website. I haven’t seen anything that looks like LRH auditorium there.

        He wasn’t looking so great in the New Year’s video. 5 more years of smoking and Macallan’s will take it’s toll.

        • anonsparrow

          5 more months of Ray Jeffrey won’t help either.. :)

          • pronoia

            Waving at anonsparrow — so happy to see you here!

          • OrangySky

            Touché.

          • Miss Tia

            I personally like the idea of that.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Where’d Miss Tia go, Sunny S. I miss her daily tweeting and her commenting.

          • Sunny Sands

            I was thinking the same thing today.

            She said she has some bad days with health issues, so hopefully she’ll be back soon.

            • MaxSpaceman

              I thought maybe the whole 26’er thing, you know? and that she backed off coming to the Bunker cuz of that. A bunch of Bunkeroos have stopped visibly visiting the Bunker by not commenting or not visiting at all.

            • Miss Tia

              Uh, that’s sort of what I get into on the blog entry I’m working on but it doesn’t go in the direction you would think. I’m still processing things. I can’t speak for other Bunkeroos, only myself, but I know for many there is probably one common denominator. It’s not what you think either. It’s really disturbed me. I’ve slept like crap the past few days over this.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Can you maybe come and post a link to it when you finish it? That would be grand. There are *so* many people who follow your commenting in the Bunker et al, who may not know how to navigate to your blog because they just have never seen it mentioned here. Not every visitor sees every post is all I’m saying. So, please post the blog link when you’ve finished that post you’re working on. And hope you sleep better from now- on. :->)

            • Miss Tia

              Yes, I will ensure I post it here! :) No, I don’t usually ‘promote’ my blog, eek! Just have a link on my domain and leave it there! I hope I start sleeping better too! GAH! That would help sooo much! It’s amazing how sleep helps isn’t it? :)

            • Miss Tia

              I answered Max a bit up above a little detailed and don’t wish to repeat myself, I’m not a broken record, yet! Hi Sunny! :) And yeah, I’m close to vertigo too!

          • Eclipse-girl

            I have been missing her, too. I hope she is OK

            • NOLAGirl

              I don’t want to speak for her, but I can tell you that she is OK.

            • Eclipse-girl

              TY

            • Miss Tia

              Define OK? ha ha ha ha! you know i’m joking….

            • NOLAGirl

              Caring for furbabies and fighting like a jungle cat. Yep, you’re OK. :)

            • Miss Tia

              Answered Max above and don’t wanna repeat! Hi! :D

          • Miss Tia

            Hi Max! I was told I was being mentioned—oooo my ears were burning too! ;-) I still tweet, uh, some days….https://twitter.com/misstia for my direct twitter feed….I haven’t been here in a couple weeks and only came because I was told I was being mentioned and didn’t want people to worry……I also had the flu, a bad cold, van starter stopped, my kitty with kidney problems is having stomach issues and she’s finally getting appetite back, russian yobs once again attacked my computer, oh and some things happened why i’ve stayed away and i’m working on a blog entry about that…..i’ll make sure when that entry is done that that link is posted around because i believe it might be of interest to some people here because i think some people are being affected still by it…..my contact info is on my domain, misstia.com and i’m on WWP, miss tia (uh i’m the creative person who uses their name almost everywhere! :) …..i try to always use the same user icon too….

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Hope all is better real soon! You are missed, but care of stuff as you need.

            • Miss Tia

              Thanks THDNE!

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Miss Tia you please take care of yourself! Especially the flu, the colds, get rest, drink tea…

            • Miss Tia

              Thanks! Been doing that! Got over the flu then a bad cold and trying to stave off pneumonia which I’m prone too. Sleeping like crap doesn’t help. Some things have rather disturbed me and I’m working on that blog entry to get it out of my system and hopefully lower my stress levels!! And oh dear, someone really wanted me to not be here anymore. Oops! :D

            • K2P2

              Good to see you here again. I’m fairly new to making occasional comments, but have enjoyed your morning tweets and comments for months now. Look forward to your blog entry. Take care.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Sounds like you have been through Hell.

              If you need help you know all you gotta do is ask

              (((HUGS))) i hope things are slowly getting better. Take care of that furball.

            • Miss Tia

              nah, i wouldn’t say hell….i think i’ve been there before though! ;)

              her appetite is slowly returning….i’ve increased her anti-nausea medication to twice a day and i talk to her doctor again monday and if her appetite for canned food hasn’t improved over the weekend she gets put on an anti-acid….she’s back to eating hard food and she WANTS to eat canned food but something (we think nausea) is holding her back….my van is back from the mechanic and is starting! :) i am feeling better than i was last week physically and once i get that blog entry done i think i’ll feel a lot better as that stuff is really weighing on my mind ever since i unraveled it the other night…..gah!

              (((HUGS))) hope you’re doing well!! i do miss my friends!!

            • Sarah James

              So glad your feeling better:-)

            • Miss Tia

              Thank you Sarah! :)

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am fine. I have been busy. I feel for you and the watching of the kitty.

              I am glad the van is starting and you are as patient as you are.

            • Miss Tia

              Gotta have patience when the starter stops! :D Then it took 2 days to get it towed, oh yeah I gotta go complain on yelp about a tow company that tried to basically extort cash from me, then tried to get free money from att (i have mobile assist on my cell) filing a claim they didn’t come out on!! Oh, $cienos got my original yelp account deleted too!! No warnings from yelp, just GONE, deleted. How ridiculous is that?? So I made another account! :D

              Just went to give mylady her bedtime dose of anti-nausea med and she was noshing away at the hard food—if ONLY she can get her canned food appetite back!! she’s always loved canned food and with her kidney condition the dr. wants her on mostly canned food….i’m sooo happy she’s eating again though as last sunday night she wouldn’t even SNIFF food so when i took her in monday i was fearful of the worst, ya know? kitties with kidney problems can deteriorate rapidly….

            • kmadelyn

              SO O/T; very sorry! But for kitty: maybe see how she responds to a sample of (safe) raw duck or bunny from the freezer section at the petshop? My 2 rescued strays suffer from immune suppressive virus, but now RUN to their Dining Area when the raw stuff’s defrosted. Playing like 6-month-olds again, & no vet trips for UTIs, conjunctivitis, colds &c since the diet transition.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Great! Glad you’re Miss Tia’ing all over! Missed you is all. :->)

            • Miss Tia

              “Miss Tia’ing” love that!!! I’ve missed you too Max! I’ve missed a lot of ya! :(

            • kmadelyn

              Tsk, tsk…. you Pulled It In (NOT, but couldn’t resist, sorry ;-) . Seriously, tho’–hope you, kittay, computer, & car land happy & clear–Webster’s clear, of course–of what a new age friend calls “mercury retrograde.” May you all feel better, & henceforth be free of Russian hacker gangs. Best wishes to you!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        nope

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        ps: working on slightly improved version, but wanted you to see this since never know when you’ll pop up.
        http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/25/merry-christmas-and-heres-your-present-from-the-underground-bunker-with-feeling/comment-page-1/

        • aquaclara

          You cannot improve this. It is already perfect. :)
          Thank you again for our musical treat!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I have something special in the works.

        • anonsparrow

          I did indeed hear that. Makes me teary-eyed when I hear it still. <3

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            the good news… when DM flees, he’ll take the war chest. Without the billions, scientology remains are pfffft!

            • Eclipse-girl

              That money should not go to Davey, but go to help people repair their lives. I know you feel that way.

      • Ardent

        Hi anonsparrow. I agree that it is interesting to consider the fate of the vile little man who runs this scam/cult, but what really concerns me – and I’m not rebutting you – is the fate of the entire cult itself. It is Scientology altogether that I would like to see disappear. I find the whole organisation so repulsive and evil that most of the time I can barely believe it is real, and exists. The fact that it does, and is to this day, at this moment, causing pain, sorrow, financial distress and psychological damage, is profoundly wrong.

        • anonsparrow

          Hi Ardent. It’s my opinion that Miscavige is the main problem with Scientology today. Once we get him out of the way, it remains to be seen what comes of the organization. My biggest concern is that someone else will be able to take the reins where Miscavige leaves off. I strongly suspect the entire organization will implode when he is forced out and no one will be able to pick up the pieces. After that, there will probably always be different factions of small Scientology groups but none of them will have the ability to put together another deathstar organization we see today. The internet has already seen to that – making available to anyone who cares to look the real truth about Scientology. The real truth is that even with all the secrets of the universe that Hubbard revealed, and all the OT powers that he bestowed to Scientologists, all the whole track administrative technology, break-through ethics technology, etc.etc.etc. – none of it could stop the organization from turning into one of the most vile and ruthless and despicable groups we have ever seen. So that’s now an historical fact that any Scientology researcher needs to consider if they choose to get involved. And with that in mind I have to believe that Scientology the subject’s days are over too, but will take much much longer to come to pass.

          • Cat Daddy
          • Drat

            I think we may see lots of little groups professing to not do “the bad stuff” anymore, and only “real Scientology”. And then you’ll get lots of unsupervised groups tampering with people’s minds in dark back alleys. But I hope I’m wrong.

          • OrangySky

            Are you “The” Anonsparrow? Nice to see you and thank you for your service. I love sparrows!
            Wise post. It’s my thinking that Miscavige, when he leaves or is forced out, will run away in the night with as many of the cookies as he can carry. He’s not going to leave the ATM passwords to the Scientology bottomless bank reserves, that’s for sure. The fight where the money is, how much money there is, and who gets to manage the money, IMHO, will divide and decimate those left behind and force sales of property, limit the ability for balls out legal maneuvers like that against Monique, etc. etc. Like you said, it won’t be the Death Star anymore. It’ll be a cold, empty moon – but there will still be people who want to go there.

            • anonsparrow

              Lol @ cold empty moon. No doubt.

          • Sunny Sands

            If there is ever a change of top command, it will be “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.

            • anonsparrow

              Well if they play The Who instead of Queen during musical chairs, that surely is an improvement. :P

    • Missionary Kid

      That looks like a cherry-picker type of lift. I’d have to see what was on the end of the arm sticking out in front of it. Some of them have platforms for workers, and sometimes they have fork-lift tangs. Looking at it, it seems that’s a platform for working on. It could be used for mounting more cameras, or it could have been used to take the tent or ribbons down.

      • Sunny Sands

        A couple blocks north of there, is the sci-owned Coachman Building. There is renovation activity going on there, and this lift is possibly being used there.

        I think they are going to sell or possibly trade the Coachman Building. It’s the same one Mike Rinder took a picture of with the termite tent on it.

        • Missionary Kid

          A termite tent doesn’t necessarily mean a sale. If the building is infested, it’s a good idea to tent it.

          The lift could have been used for tenting, but usually the exterminators provide their own.

          • Eclipse-girl

            You are assuming that Co$ has hired exterminators. Why can’t the make the RPFers do it? Who cares if there are licenses involved?

            • Missionary Kid

              Legal certification is necessary to perform the tenting and use of gas.

            • Eclipse-girl

              If Co$ did not have that, would the city care?

              Was there even a fine assessed for the signage on the tent?

              I would only use a reputable exterminator if I needed one (Living in the frigid zone means most insects die off during the winter and there is less of a need for exterminators, or regular treatment of your home)

            • Missionary Kid

              I would say that using deadly chemicals is far different than putting up a sign. Usually, regulation of exterminators is a state matter, and not a city one. The penalty for doing extermination without proper licensing would be far more than just paying money.

              It isn’t cost effective to buy all the equipment just to tent one building. Yes, I know Co$ spends money foolishly all the time, but I’d estimate the cost for doing it themselves would be 20 times as expensive, then they’d have to store or dispose of the equipment. For tenting a building, knowledge of the techniques of sealing up the tent, safety precautions, dealing with the environmental problems of poisonous gas, and the proper techniques are far beyond what any mob of sea org persons would have. Yes, generally, Co$ doesn’t care about the lives of people that much, but even they’re not stupid enough to to the extermination themselves.

              Often times, the exterminator certifies that the building will remain termite free for a period of time after treatment.

              When I lived in Florida, one of the biggest jokes to me was that they call cockroaches, “palmetto bugs.” Somebody didn’t want to scare off the Northerners, so they call them that. I used to say that you could hook three of them together and tow your car.

              Yes, insects are killed off in the winter in the North, but the larvae and eggs, as well as insects that make their own antifreeze live through the winter. Where do you think all of the bugs come from in the spring and summer again? http://insects.about.com/od/adaptations/p/wintersurvival.htm

              There are subterranean termites that actually have to have chemicals injected into the soil to kill them.

              Even in Florida, for ordinary extermination, a person can educate themselves and take care of most of the problems. Termites, however, live in wood, often inside your walls. That’s beyond a homeowner’s capabilities, or even a mob of sea org personnel.

              Finally, would you trust Co$ with all those deadly chemicals?

            • Eclipse-girl

              I do not trust Co$ at all.

              You are correct about larvae and eggs. Yes poorly maintained buildings do have cockroaches in the north. But well maintained homes (not apt buildings) in the north do not need regular exterminator treatment like well maintained homes in the south.

              Part of it may be that you build a foundation our of concrete or stone and wood siding should never touch the soil.

        • Mark

          I’m sure that’s the same cherry-picker/crane that you snapped moving heavy fittings in or out of the Coachman after they de-loused it. Looks like it’s just parked up before going back to the hire-firm.

  • nottrue

    Leah is living proof that you can break the bonds of this evil cult and be free

  • Ardent

    Brilliant move on Leah’s part. Thanks for the fascinating article, Tony.

  • Xique

    I love this blog, I really do, my husband , not so much. He’s going to snap out of it some day, maybe some day. I adore the photo of Leah and her friends. It’s beautiful. Thank you Tony for posting it and for all of the rest. Peace.

    • stateofcircle

      I can empathize with you. Mr. State thinks my Scientology and cult critic hobby is strange and a downer. For a while initially, he was a little nervous I might fall for the scam and my interest would lead me to join or at least sympathize with Scientology. After all these years however, he realizes that my fascination lies within how bat shit crazy they are, but he still thinks it’s super depressing and that I am weird for being as in to it as I am. Frankly, I think it is more interesting than any movie or TV show, and it’s real! As I mentioned a few days ago, I’ve been on an FLDS and Jehovah’s Witness kick (I wish there was a Tony Ortega of the FLDS), and there is really nothing more compelling, out of this world and unbelievable than cults. He thinks I’m the best woman ever because I don’t care if he plays X-Box whenever he wants – hell, I even encourage him to – so I can get my crazy cult read on.

      • NOLAGirl

        There are no in-depth reporters on the FLDS (that I know of) but I do know that Private Investigator Sam Brower has kept tabs on them for many years. Have you ever read his book? It’s called “Prophet’s Prey” and is a VERY good read.

        • ScooterLibbby

          The LA Times did a multipart series on the treatment of young boys & men in the FLDS.
          http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-polygamyenclave-12may1206,1,5037331,full.story
          It’s from May 12, 2006

          • Cat Daddy

            intresting

          • NOLAGirl

            So many of the stories of the young men who were just kicked out are heartbreaking. I’ve read quite a few & have seen the documentary “Lost Boys”….All of them are just so, so sad.

            ETA: Thanks for the link. :)

            • stateofcircle

              I know, it is just so, so sad. As with Scientology’s disconnection – case in point the stories here today -, the “lost boys” are a product of religious “leaders”arbitrarily kicking people out of the group, almost always because of the selfish, evil intentions of these alleged “leaders”, be it because a member read a website that revealed some truth about the group that, if shared with other members, could cause them to start questioning their involvement, as in the case with Scientology; or because dirty old men want less competition for the pool of young girls – CHILDREN – as with the FLDS. In reading all of these stories about disconnection over the years, and excommunication in the FLDS and shunning with the JW’s, the one thing that always turns my stomach and completely boggles my mind is these parents cutting themselves off completely from their kids. I am not a parent, so I don’t completely understand or know exactly how it feels, and I am sure it is not an easy choice for a parent to make, but I cannot imagine ever looking my child in the eyes and telling them that we can no longer have a relationship, because our “leader” told us we can’t. In reading all about cults and the effects they have on members mentally and emotionally, I am aware that these members are truly convinced their salvation is at stake because (insert cult here) is the only true way to achieve salvation, and is the only truth there is. And while I can sympathize with a person slowly getting trapped in a cult, indoctrinated and brainwashed, understand the mechanisms at work there and hold no judgement that they got sucked in (or born in) however they did, I just don’t understand how a love for your child, your own flesh and blood, isn’t stronger than anything a cult can throw at you. I understand why people do what they do in cults, but not this one thing. It makes me absolutely sick that these so-called “religions” can rip apart families in the most cruel ways as if it were nothing more than ripping off a band-aid.

              I am currently reading a book by a former JW that discusses the author’s forced shunning of her daughter as she describes all of the feelings and emotions that went through her head at the time. She write that it was incredibly difficult for her to do and it did cause her to questions her faith, and she even broke the rules a few times to see and talk to her, but she did shun her. She was in an incredibly amount of emotional agony over it, but she still did it. The leaders of her “church” and “religion” had really instilled an immense amount of fear in her (and all of their members) that, even though there were so many contradictions and things that just didn’t make sense to her in her faith, the fear of being overtaken by satan and, ultimately, loosing her salvation was so great that any capacity she had for logic, reason and love were completely overtaken.

              All religions, even the culty ones, preach love of their fellow man as the first and foremost tenet of their faith, be it by “clearing the plant to help save man kind” or “loving thy neighbor” or by going door-to-door to hopefully bring the “truth” and “true salvation” to others. And while in practice within these groups these concepts are a sham and members are treated with anything but love, all faiths always start off with love, and that love slowly fades into the distance until there is none left, and it saddens me that these cultists completely forget about the love that they sought and found in the beginning and claim to believe now, yet can’t rationalize that love with the total lack of that love they are showing to their children (and everyone else they cut out of their lives) to realize the complete and utter hypocrisy going on in their mind and in their group and how it goes against the stated purpose of their group.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You lost me at the third paragraph. You seem to be applying common characteristics of cults to all religious organizations.

          • Suzy

            Wow, I didn’t know it was that bad with FLDS. Imagine dumping your son by the side of the road.

            • Cat Daddy
            • Sarah James

              See that lady in the blue..just kidding.
              Several crimes in the FLDS remind me of the crimes in Scientology.
              It haunts me that both cults get rid of handicapped babies.

            • Candygram

              whoah. that’s crazy.

            • Spackle Motion

              Nope. Not a cult here. Looks normal to me.

        • stateofcircle

          I actually just finished Prophet’s Prey a few weeks ago and you’re right, it’s a fantastic read. I also read And The WItness Wore Read by Rebecca Musser, both of Carolyn Jessop’s book and Brent Jeff’s book. The Brower book was so very well written, I hope he continues to write.

          • NOLAGirl

            I hope he does too. His was one of those books that I sat down to read on a Saturday morning and didn’t put it down until I was finished. Same with Blown For Good. Cover to cover. Loved Flora’s book too, still have the others on my “read soon” list.

          • aquaclara

            I hope so, too. Loved Carolyn Jessup,and Bent Jeff’s books….

        • Gabbyone

          TLC is doing an entire series called “Escaping the Prophet”. First episode was very good.

          • NOLAGirl

            Flora Jessop announced on Twitter a couple days ago that it was pulled due to ratings. Which I don’t understand as it was only two episodes into the series and was really good. Hope another network picks it up.

            • Gabbyone

              Oh I’m sorry to hear that. It was quite compelling and revealing.

            • NOLAGirl

              Yeah, I was too. I’ve been a fan of Flora’s work for a long time. She took a rough life and turned it into helping others. It’s a shame they didn’t give the show a chance. They could have at least let the episodes they filmed run. I think one was her helping her sister get out & long ago she’d said that was one of the reasons she kept fighting, because he sister Ruby was still there. If I hear anything about it coming back on I’ll give you a shout. :)

      • Captain Howdy

        Get him the “Dead Space” VG series that has a scientology inspired cult as the bad guys.

      • Gabbyone

        If you are interested in church cults, you really should read the article called “Sinners in the Hands” in the current issue of the Texas Monthly. It is so well written and it deals with disconnection. It is an eye-opening look at campus recruiting which I unfortunately have personal knowledge of. I believe that the reporter began researching the story in July so this is the product of several months of effort. It’s a fascinating study of how a regular little town got overtaken when the cult moved in, and the challenges that the townspeople are dealing with. Quite similar to the takeover of Clearwater, but on a smaller scale. I found the Texas connection quite timely due to the current on-going scientology trial.

        • TXCowgirl
          • aegerprimo

            Thank you for the link Cowgirl! I am always GRRRRRRRR when someone says “read this great article” and then – no link.

            • TXCowgirl

              No problem, my friend. I was surprised that one could access the article in it’s entirety without an online subscription to Texas Monthly. I’m in the midst of reading it now.

            • Toni m

              Sorry aegprimo, I’m one of those, my problem is that I don’t know how to do it. Sorry again.

        • Captain Howdy

          PBS Tuesday night.. the Amish “Shunned”

          http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/shunned/

          • Gabbyone

            Thanks for the tip! I watch all of these shows.

          • noseinabk

            The farmer behind us is ex Amish but employs Amish and is involved with them. They do not shun him and will give him work and or work for him. Our old neighbor was an ex amish and had no contact with the community or family when he defected.

        • noseinabk

          Check out the art page for this mini cult.
          http://www.thechurchofwells.com/art.htm

      • Suzy

        I look forward to getting up before Mr Suzy and the kids and having my morning coffee while getting my bunker on. I didn’t flinch when Mr Suzy said he was joining ANOTHER bar band, and he understands if I dive into the bunker and don’t come up for air for hours.

      • Candygram

        and it’s like rooting for a sports team that matters! … not that the Seahawks don’t matter. (Go Hawks!)

      • Xique

        Problem is the church still has a serious hold on my man. I’ve tried informing him with some of the unbelievable news here at the bunker, but it just agitates the hell out of him. I’m trying to save him from this insane group, but it’s tricky. We’re a bit of a mess is all I can say. The less I provoke him , the better right now. I am trying to remain hopeful that he will wake up soon. The two of us have a long history together, and so I’d hate to give up on him and our family. Time will tell I guess.

    • aquaclara

      God luck, Xique.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    J. Swift, that video is brilliant!

    • MaxSpaceman

      Love the lawyer series !!!

      • Drat

        Me too. And the interviews. But I miss the Ethics Officer series. Karen for MAA!
        “Peter, Peter…” (audible sigh)

        • MaxSpaceman

          Love the MAA series also !!!

  • Sydjazz

    Woohoo go leah

  • IBBy

    I went down the LA Mag rabbit hole for a bit and something stuck out to me. The TMZ article alleges that Lewis’ dad probably gave the money to Scientology. Granted its TMZ, and its hard to take anything they post seriously. In the LA Mag article, the author writes that Johnny’s parents sought psych treatment for the resulting behavioral issues stemming from severe head trauma.

    “Lewis’s father discounts that assumption, claiming that he pursued and encouraged psychiatric treatment for his son. It was Johnny who refused to comply.”

    Interesting that devoted Scientologists supposedly advocated and encouraged psych treatment.

    If you haven’t read the article yet, I recommend it. Its very chilling. The TMZ stuff, take with a grain of salt

    • Sandy

      Sorry, but TMZ did not write that. it was in the comments. TMZ is pretty careful about stuff like that

    • Qbird

      Yes chilling IBBy. Last paragraph LA article: Of course no one would ever suggest that Lewis was anything like a made-up television character. But for those close to him, differentiating fantasy from reality is a continuous struggle. “My wife and I do not believe the allegations. He was a peaceful person,” his father says.

      http://youtu.be/pkwdAm-SrUY

    • SandiCorrena

      I started it at lunch and finished a few minutes ago…it’s staggering! I often think of that lovely landlady and her pet kitty-she was such a gift to so many lives. I don’t know what the h$// broke in him but the Scientology sure didn’t help!

    • MaxSpaceman

      He’s lying- he would’ve been smacked by being ostracized and put in heavy ethics rotation doing ‘conditions’ for 2 years. He’d do A to E.

  • Sherbet

    The laughs in the attorney video helped me recover from watching William the bullbaiter in the video posted down on this thread. William is positively creepy.

    • Eclipse-girl

      William can only recite 4 or 5 retorts. He is a ROBOT.

      • TXCowgirl

        I had to resist the urge to slap my computer to get him to stop….guess that would be a “win” for RoboBill the Bullbaiter.

        • Sherbet

          He makes George Baillie seem as sensible and articulate as Brian Williams.

          • Eclipse-girl

            THAT is a very hard thing to do.

      • Sherbet

        “Why don’t you get a job?”

    • Eclipse-girl

      It is a series. They will be fun to watch.

      J Swift linked to a different one in a conversation with Poison Ivy Herself.

  • Sunny Sands

    This 3-minute YT by Anonsparrow includes Xenu looking for a new job based on his er, qualifications. It’s funny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Ewt6fDYnk

    • Sandy

      I have a techy question. Sometimes when I click on a video all I get is green squiggly lines. What am I doing wrong?

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Earlier today I wrote that even in the police state of N.Korea, parents have unconditional love of their children. There have been responses that North Koreans don’t really have unconditional love for their children, and that all fundamentalist religions practice disconnection. Despite being police state, it is the case that North Korean parents are famous for the unconditional love they give their children. The few stories that have gotten out have noted that parents have encouraged their children to escape knowing that they probably would be punished under their country’s “tainted blood for three generations” policy. Moreover, most religions, no matter how fundamentalist believe in love. Miscavige has turned the Church of Scientology into a dark hole where his obsession with destroying loving relationships is the only consistent policy. There may be other religions that also have an obsession with destroying loving relationships, but they don’t claim to be the fastest growing religion and they certainly don’t have celebrities defending them. In fact, I can’t think of any religion that makes killing love its most consistent policy. Scientology doesn’t use disconnection as a last resort or last step, under Miscavige it gleefully forces disconnection as the first and last step at the same time. As J. Swift wrote today, that is very unnatural.

    • Missionary Kid

      In N. Korea, if a member of a family escapes, the remaining family members are punished. There’s a lot done to encourage everyone in the family to spy on other members.

      IMO, you’ve got an overly rosy picture of N. Korea, but that’s just me. The comparison of $cientology, whether DM or LRH was in charge with N. Korea is apt.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        N. Korea is a lot like Miscavige’s.torture chamber. It is a horrible dictatorship that would not admit its own people were starving for years and then, when it asked for and received aid, it failed to distribute the food. In fact, a lot of the food was sold on the black market by the military. The US has, for years, believed the dictatorship would fail, but as long as there is food and electricity for the elite, they hang on. The population for decades bought the story that they were the lucky ones, and the rest of the world was worse off, but that story has worn thin because cellphones and illegal access to South Korean media is spreading the word about how western society actually lives. It is very much like the cult of Miscavige, except the cult is failing faster because it is easier to get the truth inside the cult than inside North Korea.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          You lost me at me some point. Anyways, North Korea has way more ‘lectricity than South Korea, and it’s evident in the satellite photography:

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            I know I must be tired, but isn’t that photo upside down?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You must not be very tired. :)

  • Yan117

    Mark Bunker is the one who made me the passionate moral objectioner of scientology I am today but I’ll say this: Leah Remini is the one who stole my heart, and truly makes me believe justice will be delivered in my life time. I believe she’s actually gonna pull it off and expose this evil and tyrannical corporate organisation to so many people, there won’t be anyone left for them to abuse.

    She’ll do it because we’ll all be there with her, every step of the way. I know I will.

  • Sena (ツィーナ)

    I just signed and shared this petition. Let’s help revoke $cientology’s tax-exempt status! https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-religious-501ce-tax-exemption-status-scientology/CPTG6dY3

    • Cat Daddy
    • Espiando

      Like that particular little bit of wank will work. We Anons tried it six years ago. The OG tried it before us. A petition won’t do this. You need solid evidence of crimes like inurement. Total waste of time that can be used for more productive activities.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Get your clicker warmed up and sign the petition, Espi… a couple minutes effort, mate… I know you can do it! ;)

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Beyond a waste of time, EO. Espi and Cap’n wouldn’t steer you wrong and neither would I.

          • EnthralledObserver

            I get that this method has been a disappointment before, but your greatest weapon for ending this evil cult dead in the water is the cooperation of the government. Why is it not worth the few minutes to write, promote and sign an online petition? It surely can’t hurt?

            • Sibs

              The government kinda looks at these petitions and shrugs, in my honest opinion.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Sounds like it… I gave them the benefit of the doubt… but, hey, I don’t live there and can’t participate in any case.

            • Sibs

              The White House did respond to a petition a while back about building a Death Star, but that was a total publicity stunt.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              They’re gonna have to respond to the “Deport Bieber” petition at some point, which I find to be infinitely hilarious.

            • EnthralledObserver

              The Government has it’s plate full with important issues… like dealing with that Bieber kid… so yeah, they will never have time for $ci victims. Next are Kardashians? *can hope*

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              They can’t deport the Kardashians, they’re natural U.S. citizens. Besides, I doubt any other nation on Earth could handle all that booty.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Gerry Armstrong was a US citizen too, right?
              And NO… Australia definitely does not want Kartrashians… just in case you were looking in our direction to offload them.

            • Espiando

              Hell, no. You guys were founded by convicts, 80% of your nation is wasteland, you’re perched on the biggest climatic disaster since the last Ice Age, your economy’s about to go to hell in a handbasket, your national animal is a mean bastard, your national cute animal is riddled with chlamydia and eats its own shit, and your car industry is about to go all-import. We don’t need to ship you a bunch of people whose only purpose is to be worshiped as gods by your bogans.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              But the beaches are nice, right?

            • Espiando

              Sharks, jellyfish, and stingrays. Just part of the 100% of wildlife in Ausfailia that wants to kill you.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              This is old, but relevant here and still makes me laugh:

            • EnthralledObserver

              There was that tourism song the government decided not to use… maybe you saw it?

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNEeq5qGh8I

            • Captain Howdy

              That’s why I love the place..It hates humans.

            • EnthralledObserver

              lol… Have either of you guys even been here? I’m afraid the hype is rather… hyped.

            • Sibs

              One of my friends spent his summer working there, and when he came back his housemates didn’t recognize him – they thought a homeless man had broken in. He had spent his last month there camping in the wilderness…

            • EnthralledObserver

              See… a whole month and nothing ATE him. That’s good, right?

            • Cat Daddy

              I love Humans

            • EnthralledObserver

              Only when there’s not a big arse cyclone off the coast. Which there is right now, actually.
              Nah, I exaggerate… this one is a little one so far, expected to peter out, but you never know with these things.

            • EnthralledObserver

              It never ceases to amaze me the ironies exerted by Mother nature. Deep freeze in the US while we have the hottest summer in a long time… then cyclones trigger flooding in Queensland while fires eat Victoria. Heh, heh… she can be an ironic bitch, alright!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yes. Last week while you all were worried about heat strokes, I was worried that my dog wouldn’t be able to start the dryer after I squeezed into it for warmth.

            • EnthralledObserver

              He managed, I assume, on account of how you aren’t frozen? Good Dog! When you going to thaw him out?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’ve been picking chunks of ice off him for the last couple of weeks, he has a thick coat and stays outside for quite a while. My smaller, thinner-coated dog will only tolerate the outside to do her business, then she immediately hops like a bunny back to the door. She’s no fool.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I have two Maremmas… and obviously they are outside only dogs – no need for them to be inside in Queensland. They struggle more with the heat than the cold. I often find them trying to climb into the downstairs fridge. ;)

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Smart dogs. Relief from the heat and the possibility of free food.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Well… potential for beer. ‘Tis hubby’s beer fridge.
              Yeah, that’s all I need, for my barky dogs to become louder, obnoxious and looking for a fight… then vomit on the stairs.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Genius dogs. Most fridges will have food, but they have identified the one full of beer.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Of course… wouldn’t be Queenslanders if they couldn’t do that! ;)

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              Possibility of another one next week EO. There’s another low in the Coral Sea. I have my fingers crossed we at least get some decent rain out of it.

            • EnthralledObserver

              That’s the one I meant… it was upgraded to TC Edna a few hours ago. Ct 1 at the moment, so no drama, but we’ll get a bit more wind and rain out of it. Where are you again? I’m CQ.

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              Really? Cool. I’ve been out so missed the upgrade. I’m FNQ.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Oh… you think you’ll get rain out of this one up there?

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              Well poo. Just checked the weather map. We probably won’t get much rain. Edna will miss us in the far north completely if she keeps on current trajectory.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Yeah… I thought that might be a bit of a stretch… still, the bom could be wrong or others might form for you.

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              Yeah, we still have a couple of months left of cyclone season and we really need the rain. I’d love a cat1 or 2. Not another Yasi though.

            • EnthralledObserver

              lol… those ‘wastelands’ are full of sustenance if you know where to look. Aboriginals been doing it for thousands of years. Our economy is going fine… we are plodding along, no real horrific impact from the GFC. Which animal is the mean bastard? Not sure which one you meant, but you DO have to watch those Drop Bears. Koala’s are in trouble… the poor things.. I hope the researchers and carers can sort them out. Though, koalas can be mean bastards too.
              I can’t comment on the car industry… probably. I have a Kia, Toyota and Hyundai… I’m not helping the situation.
              So no… don’t send the Kartrashians… some Bogans can be mean bastards too.

            • Captain Howdy

              I just wanna say I LOVE Great White Sharks, Salties, Dingos, Nick Cave, AC/DC (Bon Scott), Judy Davis. Guy Pierce etc.

            • Jo

              Hell yes, Nick Cave and Guy Pierce. How can anyone forget Memento, great movie.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Was Gerry Armstrong deported? It was my understanding that he “fled” to Canada.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Yeah, that’s right… my point was they got rid of him… however it takes. (I’m half joking, of course)

            • Espiando

              Sorry, they get the Halo Effect from Bruce Jenner’s Olympic Gold Medal. Win one of those, and the nation’s legs will spread for you.

              Unfortunately, EO, those online government-originated petitions are a waste of time, just like Cap and Hole said. It’s simply a way for the Disgruntled Morons to blow off steam, like the hundred thousand drooling rednecks who signed off on the petition for Texas to secede from the Union. They’re drooling rednecks for one simple reason: they could have mustered their energy to convince their drooling redneck red-state representatives to initiate action in the Texas state house. Texas may be the only state in the Union with a legal right to secede; the get-out-of-jail-free card was part of the deal when the Republic of Texas signed on. It’s debatable whether it’s still legal or not, but…

              …oh, who cares? tl;dr: OP’s petition is a waste of time, and anyone who puts kanji in their username (and isn’t Japanese) and uses extraneous exclamation points in order to generate “excitement” is a waste of oxygen.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Sooo…. you’re not going to sign?
              (kidding, kidding)
              I get it, I assumed the petitions held some kind of legitimacy… but you’re saying they are lip-service. So, yeah, if that’s the case, I hear you.

            • Espiando

              Yeah, they are. Supposedly, if you get more than 25K signatures, the government has to respond to you, but they leave the responses to some low-level functionary who doesn’t have the key to the restroom in their office somewhere in Northern Virginia. It’s a complete joke.

            • Shirley Eugeste

              Bruce Jenner used to actually be someone… Bruce Jenner, in fact. That wan’t just any ol’ gold medal, that was the Decathlon. No walk in the park, that. So how in the name of all that is good and decent does he wind up low man on the Kardashian totem pole… or even anywhere near that house of horrors/whores (take your pick)?

              Do you think athletes in this country really get that much for winning medals? Yeah, maybe if they’re cute, hetero, marketable, and politically correct, but it seems to me they usually fade into obscurity pretty quickly… especially if they don’t exactly “fit the mold” of who/what this country seems to expect its star athletes to be. If they stay in the news, it’s not usually for things their agents are going to be all that thrilled about.

              The only other country I know anything about is Norway… as hard as it is for me to imagine life as a star athlete, I would absolutely rather be one there than here.

            • Espiando

              Yeah, but there are some who just transcend everything, especially when it comes to the Olympics. Jenner helped us get out of the post-Watergate blues, there’s always an America’s Sweetheart in the mold of Mary Lou Retton lurking on the women’s gymnastics team, etc., etc.

              Jenner’s A-list status has survived one of the worst movies of all time in Can’t Stop The Music and his marriage to the Black Goat Of A Thousand Young, Kris. For him and the American public, Montreal and Wheaties were just like yesterday.

            • Sibs

              Pfsh, they’re totally gonna stay away from that one. Because there’s nothing they can say about it that won’t piss someone off. They can respond to the Death Star one because everyone will just think “Oh, it’s so cool that they know about basic Star Wars pop culture stuff!” and nobody will actually be disappointed. But anything else…

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I bet they respond to it. But it will be a dismissive, brief statement that they’re aware of Bieber’s role in pop culture, they wish him well and they understand the petition to be no more than a joke. But it will still be funny that they respond at all.

            • Shirley Eugeste

              Anyone ever tell you you look a lot like Leslie Caron?

            • Sibs

              You like my pretty hat? (poses)

              I don’t see a reason to change my avi, at this point it’s part of my identity.

            • Shirley Eugeste

              Non non non… didn’t mean to imply that you should. Pas de tout! Just wanted to say hey look, it’s Leslie Caron!

            • MaxSpaceman

              The govt does not matter.
              The public mainstream collective thinking matters.
              The more people that know there is a petition whether or not it succeeds is still an indictment against the Cult.

            • noseinabk

              I am sure I will be corrected if wrong. I think this is the 4th petition. We always got the signatures and the same party line answer. Getting the word out to the general public and outing front groups are a much better use of time.

            • MaxSpaceman

              But why not publicize the fact there is a petition.

              Everyone knows the petition won’t succeed, but *no one* knows – in the broad general public, the mainstream of the country – that there even is a petition to fail in the 1st place.

              The fact of the petition itself is an indictment on the Cult.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I didn’t realise there had been a response to previous efforts… what did it/they say?

            • noseinabk

              http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/11/white_house_rej.php
              To lazy to look up the other links. The results are basically a form letter reply.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              And that is exactly the sort of ‘response’ the White House policy guarantees. “Thank you for supporting this issue, but this is why we will not be acting on it.” This technically qualifies as a response.

              Also funny to read a Marcotai troll session in the comments and some of those responses are quite good.

          • Captain Howdy

            Yeah, this isn’t Oz, it’s the Land of the Obstructionist Clowns, where nothing ever gets done.

            • EnthralledObserver

              That’s why Makemerich prospered in the first place… but giving up and letting it continue isn’t the answer. Keep pushing it in their faces.

            • Captain Howdy

              America doesn’t have the benefit of a multi-party parliamentary system, It consists of one party of rich guys pretending they care about the poor and working class and another party that doesn’t care about anybody who isn’t white, wealthy and uptight.

            • EnthralledObserver

              *sigh* Poor America… you’re doomed. :( May as well hand over the reigns to Makemerich now… surely can’t be any worse.
              :p

            • MaxSpaceman

              Well… still – oh well.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Are you talking about the bright orange clown or the anthropomorphic turtle clown?
              Oh, clowns. Never mind.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Beyond? How is it worse than a wasted of time? I’m just not seeing that.

            • Espiando

              Because you have this utopian ideal that because people put their electronic signatures on something, the world will somehow magically change, with the cult going down in flames and flying unicorns farting rainbows all over the fucking sky. You need to put your head into a bucket of cold Reality and wake up.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Pat Condell, is that you?

            • MaxSpaceman

              dude- don’t be dense. and lame.

              I stated flat out the thing won’t work; and it working as a petition is *not* the point. you not paying attention to what’s written.

        • Toni m

          I’ll do it.

      • Captain Howdy

        I tried to tell ‘em, but the noobs wanna nabob.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Half of the cause is in the effort. It is not wasted effort, either. It means something.

          • Espiando

            It means less than the end result of me, the porn I looked at earlier, and the lube I used to get to the end result. At least the tissues I used had a purpose. This petition doesn’t, no matter what you think.

            You need to change your handle to MaxSpaceCase.

            • MaxSpaceman

              The point of the petition is not to have it work in the govt. The point is to reach the public in USA about the Cult.

              You’re too dense to realize.

          • noseinabk

            I wish that people would just inform our newbs and not insult them for not knowing. Every person here signed a petition in the past. At one time or another we all have that altruistic view that we can fix this.

            • Espiando

              I did inform the weeaboo n00b. As for insulting her, I think everyone here knows that this is Default Mode for me. I just don’t like weeaboos. I lost a few good friends to animufaggotry in the 90s. The fact that they chose Dragonball Z over me is on them.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Again- Nobody who has commented on my comments gets my point.

              It is *not* to “fix” anything.

              If I am public – and I hear about a petition of 100,000 signatures to blah blah blah Scientology, I am thinking, What the fuck is wrong with Scientology!

              That works. It’s changing public opinion one step at a time. The only thing the public knows about Scientology is that Tom Cruise is really really weird. A petition helps change that.

              Period.

      • Sena (ツィーナ)

        Whatever :P

  • valshifter

    I grew up in another religion, before I came across the scientology scam, therefore I already had in my head the eternity line from somewhere else, and I did not find anything religious in the cult so I never bought the eternity line from them , actually found it to be shameless and laughable, pretending to be a religion to confuse people.

  • TXCowgirl

    Gabby made a post an hour down thread that I think deserves it’s own main post. There is an article in the most recent Texas Monthly magazine entitled “Sinners in the Hand” about a cult church in Wells, TX and it’s takeover of that small town.

    http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/is-the-church-of-wells-a-cult

    I’ve come across an article about the Church of Wells that was posted 4 days ago on a politically conservative website (which is not my flavor) that is pretty damning. Here is a quote from the article that is just too eeriely akin to the Co$:

    “Church of Wells leadership continues with their arrogant, evil, and false teaching. They cut, they slander, and they separate. They control minds then rearrange and redistribute their members, as obedient and robotic Stepford Wives – unrecognizable drones.

    Church of Wells searching and naive members who have joined their ranks, now live in growing terror to even think of leaving. There is the much feared “locked prayer closet” that those who have escaped have experienced. Observers and witness also point to an aggressive culture of corporal punishment – intimidation by elders with “scriptures” taken out of context to control and terrify those who dare to question or dare to leave.”

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/roth/140127

    Thank you, Gabby, for pointing the Bunker spotlight on another cult of suppression.

    • Gabbyone

      You are welcome. I could water my garden with the tears that I’ve shed because my best friend lost her child who was attending Baylor to a cult almost three years ago. No words can describe the pain of disconnection. If only we knew then what we know now.

  • EnthralledObserver

    What would happen to all the thetans if all life on earth was destroyed? Where would they go (if anywhere)?

    • kemist

      Circle around stars ? (If the question of “where” immaterial stuff that is supposedly independant of Matter, Energy, Space and Time even make sense… And I’m not high/drunk/tired enough to decide that yet).

    • Espiando

      Well, why not ask one of yours? After all, they were brought here by Xenu (all praise his name) 75 million years ago, and the last mass extinction event was 65 million years ago. So they should remember. Take them back through Incident Three, the meteorite crashing into the Yucatan, and they should be able to mention which furry little critter they stuck themselves to.

      Of course, you need a fuckload of XXXX to pull that shit off.

      • EnthralledObserver

        I asked… nearly 3 billion of them said they’d hang around for the new planet to form… the rest said they hadn’t the patience for that and would leg it to Target 3… ’cause they didn’t want to risk running into LRonny at Target 2.

        • Ardent

          Yeah, Target 2 is really a shitty discount planet. Target 3 apparently has great deals on women’s shoes and men’s underwear.

    • Eclipse-girl

      it is my belief that LIFE is tenacious.

      It would not be easy to destroy ALL LIFE on Earth, shy of a astronomical catastrophic event.

      • EnthralledObserver

        True… only a ‘theoretical’ question on the $cilon story…

      • Shirley Eugeste

        Okey dokey, time for bed…. I read that as “life is treacherous.”

        • Eclipse-girl

          Life can be treacherous. It shouldn’t have to be,
          I hope you got a good nights sleep.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      What would happen to the Tooth Fairy if, due to some unknown phenomenon, humans stopped growing teeth?

      • EnthralledObserver

        There is that… I wanted the ‘official’ $cilon story… just mulling it around in my head for amusement. :)

        • Shirley Eugeste

          Yikes, is that what you do for fun? Try mulling some wine instead, I’ve heard good things.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Can’t get drunk yet… kids still up. ;)

    • MaxSpaceman

      They would be off to the other 75 planets in the Marcabian Confederation. They would start firstly with the 4th and 5th Invader Forces and then spread throughout the Confederation.

      • EnthralledObserver

        I thought the Invader Forces were long gone. That’s why there is no-one to ‘save’ us from our never ending cycling through die, pick up a body, die, pick up a body… despite Xenu having been defeated and locked away.

        • MaxSpaceman

          The 4th and 5th Invader forces have reconnoitered at Neptune and Pluto.

          And the thetans from a barren destroyed earth would go to the other 75 planets for new bodies to lodge in.

      • Ardent

        The Bastards!

    • Cat Daddy

      7 billion people

      billions of Theans

    • Artoo45

      Target 2.1

      • EnthralledObserver

        Target i-2 … Apple has a stake in that.

    • Missionary Kid

      Not a damn thing would happen to any thetans. They’re a construct of the mind of LRH. You can’t kill an imaginary entity. You can portray killing it, but because it’s imaginary, it has no life. They are as alive as Daffy Duck.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Well… there is that.
        I was just asking about the ‘story’ though. What do $ci-bots believe would happen to ‘them’? i.e What’s next? Two senarios: A Cleared Planet OR a Totally destroyed planet with no life remaining. What happens then…?

      • Shirley Eugeste

        So… what exactly are you trying to say about Daffy Duck?

        • Ardent

          He’s nuts.

    • Ardent

      Thetans, of course do not exist. but, assuming the fact, I think they’d go and die on Kobol IV, which, apparently, has great views.

  • Captain Howdy

    I wanna dedicate (this cover of the Soft Boys classic) to the Cult of $cientology…and all the other assholes of this world…like the douchebags that kill 70 million sharks every year to make soup.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APgg9LYbLu0

    • Candygram

      I think i love you, Cap’n Howdy.

      • Captain Howdy

        Everyone loves me untill they really get to know me. Thanks anyway.

        • noseinabk

          Not true. I only agree with you 50% of the time on subjects other than cos, and I still like you. :-/

        • Missionary Kid

          I was going to say, “Me thinks at times thou art an asshole, but you’re our asshole.” but it’s not true. You like to play curmudgeon, and at times you’re right, but even when you’re wrong, it gets us thinking. You often add a different perspective to the conversation here, and when you’re not here, we miss you.

          • Shirley Eugeste

            Something about the syntax of “you’re our asshole” gives me pause. One knows what you mean, of course, but I’ve always (well, at least since my second year in college) found ambiguity, whether semantic or syntactic, to be kind of cool. Also, it had never occurred to me before that a group may have a heart and soul, or eyes and ears, but how often do we hear, “Bob, we need you to be our asshole for this caper.” Or “Bob is no longer with us, so I need everybody to be a little bit of an asshole from now on. It’s what he would have wanted.”

            • Ardent

              You are quite the thoughtful person aren’t you? Yes, I know what you mean, and yes, I have come to enjoy that ambiguity/referential object-persona. It is a rather tribal construct, I think, and one that can be useful when forming a group. However, any group needs to remain reasonably fluid, I believe, in order to be truly free and operational as some sort of helpful and energetic entity. (Ooh, Mr. Profound! Mr. pompous! Tell me more!)

          • Ardent

            Yes, Howdy is OUR curmudgeon, and life without curmudgeons is bloody boring. Howdy, Howdy!

          • Eclipse-girl

            Espiando is our asshole and Captain Howdy is our curmudgeon.

        • Shirley Eugeste

          Love and familiarity require a very delicate balance at all times. A bit of mystery is seldom an altogether bad thing. In the absence of sufficient knowledge, what we think of as “love” is more likely lust or infatuation. (And to think, I come up with these profundities while completely drug-free!)

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Thas cool. I only throw letters into salad spinners when I’m really high.

            • Ardent

              Verbal salad only comes from the mouths of the psychotic and Scientologists, in my experience. So you’re cool, Jimmy.

            • Shirley Eugeste

              Um, have you seen “The Usual Suspects”?

            • Shirley Eugeste

              If your letters are in the salad spinner, where does the lettuce end up?

  • aegerprimo

    OCMB is back up. http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/

  • PraiseBeToXenu

    I do have to say: I have a whole new respect for Leah Remini, for escaping from this cult, exposing it, and obviously refusing to back down or be intimidated by the Co$.

    One question, though: Has Leah left the entire religion of Scientology? Or has she just left the Church, while still believing in the teachings of Scientology (like Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun)? I’m j/c, is all. And it’s great what she is doing, in either case.

    • woodrose

      As far as I know, she has not spoken in sufficient detail about her feelings to be able to answer your question.

      She’s been clear that she objects to being told who she can and cannot talk to; she rebelled against disconnection. Not much more specific than that, as far as I know.

    • Zaphod Beeblebrox

      When the news first came out about Leah and her family leaving Scientology, I think it was mentioned (on here I think) that some of the family that left still believed in Hubbard’s teachings.

  • Fremdscham

    Just bought this at the grocery store. NO mention of Scientology. Features an interview with Janja Lalich who according to Wikipedia was associated with the Cult Awareness Network which was taken over by Scions.

    • Captain Howdy

      LoL..is your supermarket located in the Hellmouth by any chance?

      • Fremdscham

        I think the original Indian name for where I live loosely translates to “Devil’s Armpit” or some such.

        • Espiando

          Better than living in a metropolitan area of ten million whose original Indian name is “Smelly swamp onion”. Thanks, Algonquins. Thanks a whole helluva lot.

      • Ardent

        ; )

    • Gabbyone

      Weird. I just got the last copy of that this aft at B & N. Had to laugh at first article because I am a musician. It’s titled “Is Marching Band a Cult?” I found the fact that an entire magazine would be dedicated to cult education very encouraging.

      • Shirley Eugeste

        What happens at band camp stays at band camp. Same for bus rides to Disneyland. And we LOVE our wool uniforms. Seriously, it’s been decades and I still have our parade cadences in my head.

  • screwsci

    Mr. screwsci made me laugh so hard this evening…we were channel surfing and we came to an old Mission Impossible on the cable movie station…he said he would rather watch a Jackie Chan movie in Chinese with subtitles in French than sit through a porky acted Tom Cruise flick…I love Mr. Screwski!!

    • Shirley Eugeste

      Since when does the dialog in a Jackie Chan movie actually contribute to or detract from the overall experience?

  • media_lush
  • Cat Daddy
    • Artoo45

      Thanks for posting that. I have loved her smoky voice since Twist In My Sobriety came out back in ’85.

  • DeElizabethan

    I feel that Leah will just keep at it and continue to be subtle, yet effective. I’m happy for her and can’t wait for more…

    The Johnny Lewis story was fascinating and about time we got the whole story, plus written so well.

    Regarding Karen’s video. When I saw the “A Division of LYE, CHEATHAM & STEELE , Washington, DC,
    I almost chocked with laughter. It may have been there before, but didn’t catch it till now. Love these videos.

    • YSYSYSYSYS

      The Johnny Lewis story is just so sad… and yes, very well written.

    • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

      I missed the johnny Lewis story when it happened. Did he ever get any Scieno intervention that may have contributed to his psychological problems? I can see the head injury angle but if they could get him to that residential centre surely they could get him to go for an MRI?

      Very sad story. His victim was such a lovely woman. :(

  • Snippy_X

    The new hire video is hilarious. Each one you guys do gets better, funnier and scarier!
    Extrapolate that, Miscavige.

  • Shirley Eugeste

    That little tidbit about the sanctity of Victoria’s Secret packages is just weird.

    I mean really, Scientology, wtf? Seriously, whiskey tango fox-frigging-trot? Did VS have some sort of “royal” warrant of appointment? Were they Purveyors to the Court of Miscavige? (Funny, they don’t include that august distinction in their advertising. Maybe in the back pages of Cult Wear Daily?) It is possible, certainly, to purchase fairly straightforward bras and underwear, sweats and pj’s from Victoria’s Secret, but obviously that’s not the part of their business that they are most known for. (But I find myself — bizarrely — actually wondering why Victoria’s Secret and not Frederick’s of Hollywood? Thongs and push-up bras good, crotchless panties and peekaboo bras bad? THAT would have been a fun policy meeting to eavesdrop on.) Are the women at Hemet… yikes, words fail me… expected, encouraged, pressured to wear frilly underthings? When, pray, amidst all the paper-pushing and busywork, are they expected to find time to feel sexy, let alone be sexy? Few things less conducive to a fun and healthy sex life than another person’s “expectations.” If you’re an “attractive” married woman at Hemet, does your husband win a one-way trip to the RPF? Are you then pressured to divorce him, for the good of the cause, then get yourself a nice shiny Miracle Bra for the good of a completely different cause altogether? Were incoming packages from VS really THAT regular a thing? Is there ANY part of normal human nature that Scientology hasn’t found a way to twist and corrupt into something ABnormal and destructive? Look at the disaster of sex crimes in the US military… Are we to assume that Scientologists don’t have similar problems (whether they admit them or not)? And how can people be conditioned to accept having their mail checked yet still deny being brainwashed? Are they told it’s for their own protection, that the guards are checking for bombs or “white powder.” because this clearing the planet nonsense is such a threat to us wogs (in our practical cotton underwear)?

    Elsewhere in today’s news, how come it’s my silent cat who could seriously not care less about doors, and it’s the Ethel Merman/Car Alarm cat who is forever shutting herself in rooms and going into Air Raid Siren mode until I open the door and let her out? Mere rubber doorstops do not slow her down, we’ve graduated to Heavy Boxes. Also, this being an old house in which on any given day, any given door may or may not actually latch, Ethel Merman (not her real name) can not only close doors that I want to keep open but also open doors I want to keep closed. So… more heavy boxes. Trust me, this is not a cat you want having free access to your closets.

    Can Sea Org members have pets? I’d guess not, since Sea Org members are always being sent h, t and y. So one more of life’s true pleasures (I complain about my animals but I would never part with them) that Scientology finds a way to piss all over.

    • Ardent

      Dear Jester, but the Victoria’s Secret boxes contain…(gasp)…UNDIES!!
      And yes, the cult is demented beyond words. No, nothing is beyond the twisting they enjoy – it is a sick, destructive cult – beyond the pale.

      And yes, I think Miscavige avails himself of the ‘cuties’, but I have no proof at all – just a suspicion.

      • Shirley Eugeste

        Not sure I understand… You’re saying incoming underwear is sufficiently yucky that it gets a free pass? That’s not just puerile, it’s downright infantile.

    • domitare

      “That little tidbit about the sanctity of Victoria’s Secret packages is just weird” I used to be in the SO and I was like “WHAT!!!””

      • Shirley Eugeste

        Congratulations on the “used to be.” I hope the breaking out wasn’t as hard as the “breaking in.”

  • i-Betty

    The most hilarious and subversive video to date.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Hur hur :D

  • DodoTheLaser

    I smile a happy smile!

  • http://chocolateberrytreestump.blogspot.com/ mfc1791

    But what of Kirstie Alley and Juliette Lewis?