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HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Sunday Funnies: CCHR’s annual gala — time, place, form, and event!

SoloSmallWe have another fun collection of Scientology fliers for you this week. As usual, we’re getting a glimpse into the church’s unrelenting fundraising gimmicks.

But there’s also some news here. One of our tipsters managed to snag for us a CCHR flier about this year’s gala. The Citizens Commission on Human Rights is one of Scientology’s oldest front groups, and it’s engaged in a comical attack on the psychiatric profession. If you were with us last year, you may remember that we managed to obtain some CCHR fliers, but for some reason they never stated the time and place for the annual gala.

This time, for some reason CCHR was less shy.

As you can see in this mailer, CCHR’s annual gala will take place at the Westin Bonaventure Hotel in Los Angeles on February 1.

 
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This next item came from a tipster who stumbled across something interesting as she was watching an Adobe software tutorial. For some reason, Adobe chose a book by L. Ron Hubbard, Spy Killer, for a video about how to lay out an ebook with its InDesign program. It’s odd, isn’t it?

 
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Here’s another upcoming event to look forward to — the IAS is celebrating its whales at the Beverly Hills Hotel on March 23. We’ve seen the latest list of Scientology’s biggest donors, and we hope to have some images of them with their trophies soon.

 
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Progress up the Bridge in Silicon Valley!

 
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Now that marijuana is legal in Denver, will these claims look even better?

 
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We can never get enough of Scientology success stories.

 
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Pedro survived the Wall of Fire!

 
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Ah, the first newsletter of the new year from Scotland! Wha hae!

 
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Thanks again to our great tipsters. Keep those items coming!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 26, 2014 at 07:00

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  • WhitleyGilbert

    I will never understand how there are still people in Scientology….

    Every Sunday, I’m blown over that there are still folks smiling with their “graduation certificates”. I know that a lot of people who become involved in cults are smart, just vulnerable…..but still! People are sticking by Scientology!? Again, let me clarify….I get that the people who’ve been in for a long time are completely brainwashed, but I will never understand how they are getting new members…or think they can get new members.

    • Pinkhammer

      Let alone the ones who get out for almost 15 YEARS and then get sucked back in!!

      • Mooser

        But they are getting very few newcomers. And considering what a small number can be retained, it’s basically zero.

        • Pinkhammer

          I know, and zero is a beautiful thing! I’m just griping about my friend who did just that.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Tommy Thomas Davis. A confront-video wherein the question posed is: “Are you the weasel faced wuss you played for $cientology, or are you an actual human being? Oh, Tommy (Thomas) Davis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT7taeSWKQY- [warning: the editor left the text, which is very well-done, onscreen for a 'long' time, even for slow readers. Otherwise, it is truly a hard-hitting, well made piece.]

  • gobsmackedby Scieno

    I wish the book could be closed on Hubbard so that energy could move on to the here and now threats to children, artists and gullible seekers not to mention the American tax payer.. The proof is irrefutable, whatever intellectual/psychological/archetypal lens he is viewed through, clearly (!) he is one fucked up and deviant mutant human being. And he’s dead and gone.
    Meanwhile his vengeful legacy lives on. Dispiriting sometimes.

  • aquaclara

    Hey, for Californians in the LA area…..please don’t forget Steve Mango’s screening tonight. It would be great to get a report, for all of us who are too far away to see this live.

    Thanks….. And sending a shout out to Steve-good luck!

  • woodrose

    I just read the Irish article DamOTclese2 linked to downthread, and Yowza! it’s a fabulous article. Kudos to InterestedinCrazy and Pete Griffiths again for such great work exposing the lying cult of crazy.

    I sent out the link via Twitter:

    ‏@XenuLOL

    #Scientology’s New Year’s vid: “a bogus distortion…a good old fashioned lie” Leitrim(Ireland) Observer: http://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/scientology-the-biggest-scam-about-1-5827814#.UuWEJ5lrHwk.twitter … #CCHR #ccot

    “1 person n the video ws 1 minute handing out leaflets n a #Scientology T, nxt minute an employee in a hairdressers.” http://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/scientology-the-biggest-scam-about-1-5827814#.UuWEJ5lrHwk.twitter

    • WhereIsSHE

      Speaking of Scientology’s PR LIES & IRELAND…

      Did anyone else see THIS nonsense: http://www.examiner.com/article/tom-cruise-may-be-the-new-film-ambassador-for-ireland

      Here is just one quote from this ridiculous –and yet disturbing– Scientology-Ireland PR LIE campaign:

      “In fact, it appears Cruise is so far ahead of even Obama in public opinion polls, if he wanted to he could probably be successful as a presidential candidate himself, as was past President Ronald Reagan, who started out in Hollywood. In fact the United States would be lucky to also have Cruise as a film ambassador out of Hollywood.

      The Irish have been quick to pick this up and want Cruise as their film ambassador. Ireland’s Arts Minister Jimmy Deenihan has said that Cruise’s representatives have said that he was interested in becoming a film ambassador with the Irish Film Board. Cruise was seen in Ireland last April at which time he received a Certificate of Irish Heritage.”

      Tom Cruise… Popular in Ireland???!… could/should run for President of the United States????!!.
      HA!

      Sound like SOMEONE lacking in REAL CONFIDENCE needed some B.S. assurance blown up his behind!

      • EnthralledObserver

        Crikeys… sounds like $ci-style advertising again.

      • Sarah James

        Stranger things have happened. I read several months ago that the plan was TC for pres and David Miscavige would have the one national religion. Guess we know what the bff’s talk about when they have a boys day. :-(

      • Captain Howdy

        So instead of Ronnie Raygun, we would have Tommy Raygun?

        Holly Xenu!

      • Gerard Plourde

        The author id Harold Mandel, MD.I wonder if he’s this Harold Mandel, M.D.

        http://haroldmandel.wordpress.com

  • stateofcircle

    Just popping in to say hello to all my Bunker buddies, hope all is fantastic with everyone. I’ve been broadening my horizons and have branched out into exploring other cults, specifically the FLDS and now the Jehovah’s Witnesses. And I thought Scientology was bad! (Well, it still is…). And while Mr. State thinks I’m certifiably insane for my fascination with cults, I am just fascinated by it all, especially the fact that, beyond each group’s individual belief structure, they are all the same. Everyone who is not a (insert cult here) is evil? Check. Not allowed to talk about ANY failure, shortcoming, weirdness, inconsistency or anything remotely not positive about said cult and it’s leader(s)? Check. The ONLY way to eternal salvation is through (insert cult here)? Check. If you leave or disobey the cult in anyway you are not only sacrificing your salvation but are going to be damned extra hard for leaving? Check. Your friends and family members who are gravely concerned that you joined a cult are evil and want to bring you down to their evil, evil way of life? Check. Since money is not really important when your salvation is at stake and you found the only way to guarantee your salvation with (insert cult here), you can give us all of your money now. Check.

    Obviously the list goes on and on and on. They’re all the same. And it is just so, so sad that so many people get sucked in a trapped in these horrible prisons of belief (thanks Lawrence Wright for that spot-on assessment) that control, oppress and manipulate them into the depths of despair. The only difference with Scientology is they have flashy mailers and newsletters!

    • Captain Howdy

      Howdy SOC
      Good to see ya

    • Artoo45

      Hey circle! Good to see you back in the Bunker. It’ looks like the latest chapter of LRH: The Target 2 Chronicles is just for you . . . http://allmestup.blogspot.com/2014/01/lrh-target-2-chronicles-chapter-5.html

      • Sidney18511

        Artoo! Really really great writing! Excellent!

      • Great White Clam

        Wow.
        What can I say?
        “snazzy”
        That’s what I can say!

    • StatusLevelUp

      Hi stateofcircle! Good to see you posting here

    • Mooser

      Don’t forget the most important cult rule! To wit: The cult leaders get the pick of the women, and the age-of-consent is susceptible to ecclesiastical decision.

    • aquaclara

      Oh, and the Bunker! Stay in touch. We appreciate your being here!

    • Shirley Eugeste

      No question about the FLDS, but the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints actually seems to have some plusses to go along with the… well, with all the rest of it. They’ve taken up several full-page good-humored ads in the Playbills for “The Book of Mormon” on Broadway. Suppose Trey Parker and Matt Stone had decided to write a Scientology musical instead of a Mormon musical. Something tells me that the CO$ would have slightly different reaction.

      • Missionary Kid

        There was a Mormon in the original Broadway cast of The Book of Mormon.

        As a friend of mine puts it, it’s the nicest cult he knows. Unfortunately, they do exert pressure on non-believers to convert, and they patronize Mormon businesses, so just don’t go into a predominantly Mormon town and start a business without looking very carefully. While they are generations away from the Mountain Meadows massacre, there are elements of that attitude still existent.

        • Mooser

          Don’t forget the wonderful “Handcart trek”! It is said that Brigham Young his self stopped and blessed the handcart pilgrims, as they dragged their handcarts to Salt Lake City, I think there was a 200 mile trek involved. It didn’t work out too good, but did give the Mormons a jump on learning modern methods of controlling bad publicity.

          • Missionary Kid

            I wasn’t aware of that story. I’m going to look it up. Thanks.

          • Shirley Eugeste

            As far as why they did the things they did… I just can’t imagine ever making those choices. However, they didn’t have money, they wanted (for various reasons) to move a whole bunch of people a very inconvenient distance… And they did. I wouldn’t want to share a husband, but nor do I live in a society in which I couldn’t compete as a single woman. During the Second Great Awakening, the Mormons — like other religions active at the time — attracted more women converts than men. I do actually believe that some Mormons must have entered into polygamous marriages for the sake of achieving a cohesive social fabric, and it’s hard to be too critical of that. I’m not a religious person, though I’m just two generations removed from Christian Scientists and Southern Baptists (who converted to Catholicism for the purpose of sending the generation before me to better schools), and three generations removed from Swedenborgians and a stern, Swiss offshoot of Reformed Calvinism. I grew up amongst liberal Californians, and the Mormons I became acquainted with were liberal California Mormons. They went to BYU, served far-flung missions, but when our paths crossed in grad school they never expressed an interest in the disposition of my soul. Even when I worked at a temple as a translator, it was all very businesslike. And clean, and quiet. So basically everything I’ve ever learned about the particulars of their faith strikes me as odd, but 2000 years from now I doubt it will seem much odder than any other religious belief (well, except CO$). The Mormons I’ve met (at least a dozen or so!) have been generous, kind, extremely hard-working (both individually and collectively), and have had a very sweet sense of humor about life in the Jello-belt.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Great to hear from you, SoC, as always! And you really nailed it re: common denominators of the cults. Thank you!

  • Jimmy Threetimes

    Very off topic, but this mass wedding at the Grammy’s seems like it will be a big story:

    http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jan/26/grammys-mass-wedding-macklemore-lewis

    Haters gonna hate.

    • Shirley Eugeste
      • Captain Howdy

        Ha, Ha.. saw that on the news. Reminded me of the time they rescued an injured sea lion in S.F Bay and “Skippy the Seal” became a city celeb/mascot. When he finally recuperated they took him out to the Farallon Islands, which is where seal lion colonies are, and they released him with TV cameras blazing. Skippy was promptly decapitated by a great white shark. It was the height of GWS season and these so called experts should have known.

      • Qbird

        wha?! bummer…

  • MaxSpaceman

    A hugely significant media buy: the bridge commercial between CBS 60 Minutes & The Grammy Awards Show was — the $cientology commercial seen recently on here on The Bunker. Shown at 7:59pm EST.

    • Mooser

      They will be sorry they ever raised their stupid head above the parapet. They are just asking for it with those commercials. They are guaranteed to insult and inflame religious and secular people alike. I think the bad will towards and action against Scientology is mostly limited by the fact that most people don’t even know they still exist to any extant. And that worked to Sci’s benefit, I think. The consequences of changing that situation, of making more people aware that Scientology still exists and is active will not be to Scientology’s advantage.

      • Mooser

        “by the fact that most people”

        Naturally I think my wife is one in a million, but in this comment she appears in the role of “most people”.

  • woodrose

    Twitter is lighting up with negative comments about the Scilon TV ad playing right before the Grammys. I don’t have screencap skills, so I just cut-and-pasted a few here:

    Lonely House Project ‏@LonelyHouseProj 7m

    Listen, Scientology… Stop appearing on my television. “Spiritual Technology” my ass. #GRAMMYs pic.twitter.com/h0SQvpDAG0

    Jennifer Bostic ‏@prplst 7m

    Why am I having to watch a #scientology ad before the #grammys ? #aliens

    Prizz ‏@prizzmusicuk 9m

    Watching #TheGrammys and an advert for Scientology came on – what kind of religion needs to pay for new followers?!

    REGGIEOnTheMOVE™ ‏@ReginaldLBarnes 9m

    Y’all catch that Scientology commercial tho? Ha.

    jacobito Taffet ‏@jacobtaffet 9m

    Scientology is trying so hard to get people to believe in their religion that they have commercials on channel 2

    jake ‏@jakebeckman 9m

    That Scientology commercial before the Grammys. RT @everyword: unnecessary

    • woodrose

      More:

      LightskinKeithSweat ‏@TomCotter1017 13m

      There’s no way there was just a scientology commercial before the Grammys.. #illuminati

      Andrew Paliotta ‏@andrewpaliotta 14m

      Just saw a commercial for Scientology and their “higher state of existence.” Alien reincarnation? #Xenu

      Brantley Hooks ‏@BrantleyHooks 14m

      Did it just get shockingly cold in my apartment? No, that was simply the Scientology commercial playing before the Grammy’s.

      Brendan O’Hara ‏@Biscuiit4 14m

      Just saw a commercial for Scientology hahahaha

      • aquaclara

        Thanks for the fun report!

      • aegerprimo

        Thanks for sharing those Woodrose!

  • Artoo45

    Time for the next chapter of LRH: The Target 2 Chronicles . . . http://allmestup.blogspot.com/2014/01/lrh-target-2-chronicles-chapter-5.html

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Tony, are you going to post after the film tonight? Or let the L.A. peeps have a party in the comments?

    • Sandy

      Mhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/26/lizz-winstead-joins-raw-story-for-state-of-the-union-coverage/
      Michael, Tony is gonna live post the prez speech on Tuesday , per this:

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I was referring to Steven Mango’s documentary motion picture that he is premiering tonight at 7:30 in L.A.

        Cool that Tony is going to live blog the State of the Union address by the President.

        • Sandy

          I know, Micheal, I was just adding to the convo that TO said he is gonna live post on Tues. No sweat

        • MaxSpaceman

          It looks like a report at a later time/date about how Steve’s film showing went MLT. Cool idea but …

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        As I follow Tony’s blogging of the SOTU, I’m going to stand and applaud every time I agree with Tony’s latest post.

  • Shirley Eugeste

    “I feel like if present time is so difficult that it becomes something you must ‘confront,’ then that’s where the Surival [sic] Rundown can help.”

    Too bad there’s no Proofreading Rundown.

  • Guest

    Would you put L. Ron Hubbard and G. I . Gurdjieff in the same categories?

    • Guest

      In their teens, I bet both men asked some version of the question “why are we here?”

      • Guest

        Both have a small but dedicated group of detractors who call them charlatans and con artists.

        • MaxSpaceman

          that would be a big Y-A-W-N 2

          • Mooser

            Max, you never know. You may be unable to fall asleep, and this is the most soporific question you can get without a prescription. Ponder it twice with a glass of warm milk, and the next band you hear will be REM.

            • Science Doc

              Small bars in Athens GA.

            • Mooser

              Well, I meant the Rapid Eye Movement phase of sleep, and I think I pulled a muscle in that stretch.

            • Science Doc

              Yep. But REM back in the beginning and a couple of beers plus dancing with every girl in the place would make for a good nights sleep.

            • Mooser

              You’re the doctor, and it sounds like a rational formulation to me!

        • Missionary Kid

          Small? There are many more ex-$cientologists than $cientologists. There are also judges from the bench who have declared $cientology criminal. Present $cientologists are just on the way to becoming Ex-$cientologists.

          • Guest

            Yes, small, there are 7 billion + people on the planet.

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t exactly know what your point is, but $cientology has been claiming millions of followers, which, from all the independent data, is patently false. My point is that more people have left $cientology than are in. The great majority of Exes either want nothing to do with the cult, or, like many of them here, vociferously oppose it.

            • Guest

              My point is/was both Hubbard and Gurdjieff have a small but dedicated group of detractors who call them charlatans and con artists.

            • MaxSpaceman

              that would be a big Y-A-W-N your point.

            • Missionary Kid

              The evidence is clear that Hubbard was. From his own papers as well as information obtained from the Freedom of Information Act, it’s excruciatingly clear that he was total bullshit. He impeaches himself. BTW, I forgot to add bigamist and philanderer and, for a time, worshiper of the dark side.

              There’s too many documents out there to prove how filled with mendacity he was, but, of course, you have refused to look at it or even attempt to read it.

      • Mooser

        “In their teens, I bet both men asked some version of the question “why are we here?”

        Oh Hubbard did ask that a lot! He asked himself that question in college, and he asked it in the Navy. And whenever there was trouble or responsibility to face, L Ron asked himself: “Why are we here?” and concluded he would go somewhere else, real fast.

        • Guest

          You have a simplistic unrealistic cartoon view of L. Ron Hubbard I cannot buy into. You seem to think that if you do not say something bad about him every time you write about him that you are somehow letting him off the hook of agreeing or sympathizing with him.

          • Mooser

            Have you read “Barefaced Messiah”? You really should.

            Why (look, I’m trying not to laugh) would you like to point out (oh, my ribs) some of the ‘accomplishments’ (pfff,pff bla-ha, can’t last much longer) that should make us overlook L Ron Hubbard’s (Bwa-ha-ha-ha) foibles (HA-HA-HA-ha-ha ROTFLMAO!!!)

            • Mooser

              And I really don’t understand, what good thing could you say about Hubbard? That he was a loyal family man or husband? (Oh God, my ribs) Or loyal to any of his various menages for that matter? That he was an affectionate and involved father to his children? Now, there’s a hoot! That he was upright in his financial dealings? That he was loyal to his friends and coworkers? I can’t think of a single facet of a man’s life that Hubbard didn’t approach with a larcenous and felonious attitude, and true to his convictions (although he liked for his wife to get those) that was the way he acted.
              Yes, I am informed that for those of a particularly gruesome kind of sociopathic credulity he was an influential and believable speaker.
              Why, did you know of some redeeming quality?

            • Guest

              “And I really don’t understand, what good thing could you say about Hubbard?”

              I assume he was like the rest of us in many ways. Since I did not meet him or spend time with him I cannot say anything about him.

              “Why, did you know of some redeeming quality?”

              I did not know the guy.

            • Mooser

              “I assume he was like the rest of us in many ways.”

              Oh, you bet, why, every guy has to throw his wife under the Federal bus, and let her take a jail sentence, and then refuse to talk to her again when she got out. Every person, when he sees a tremendous credulity in people, has the , why, the obligation, to take the biggest advantage of it they can.
              Posing as an expert in fields about which you know nothing, and taking money for it? Heck, can an ordinary guy get through a week without doing that?

              Yup, just like the rest of us! Now, what are your crimes?

            • Mooser

              “I did not know the guy.”

              But everything in “Barefaced Messiah” is wrong? You’ve got to understand one thing, my gunny-pointy friend. It’s got nothing to do with opinions about Hubbard. Now listen carefully, try to get it into your small-caliber mind: Simply determining L Ron Hubbard’s whereabouts at any given time, and his movements, as validated by documents, is devastating to Hubbard’s own claims about himself. No one has to have an opinion, Hubbard very willingly discloses what he is.

            • Guest

              “But everything in “Barefaced Messiah” is wrong?”

              Who said “everything in “Barefaced Messiah” is wrong”? You are the only on who said that.

              Is “Barefaced Messiah” like your Koran or bible? Is it a holy book to you that has everything you need to know?

            • Mooser

              “Is it a holy book to you that has everything you need to know?”

              Although there are many excellent books written about various aspects of living and/or quitting Scientology, and about Scientology’s crimes, Barefaced Messiah is an accurate and detailed biography of L Ron Hubbard, collated from original documents where ever possible, and as accurate as possible.
              But, again: A simple chronology of where Huibbard was and what he was doing at any given time throughout his life is, when contrasted with Hubbard’s fabrications is probably all the devastating the guy needs. No opinions needed, just what Hubbard claimed, and what incontestable facts show.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Sounds interesting. I didn’t read it, as the copy I was given had what looked like a small coffee stain in the corner of the first 30 pages or so. Oh, and I found the illustration on the cover to be a bit off-putting.

            • Mooser

              Now, if there was a malevolent ape with cat’s eyes on the cover, like the issue of Amazing (Astounding?) Stories magazine “Dianetics” first appeared in, how could you resist it?

            • Mooser

              Anyway, “Barefaced Messiah” has found another publisher, and is being sold. There are also still some mirrored copies, along with the timeline of L Ron’s life (invaluable) on the Web.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yes, I read one of the PDF versions of it, and plan on buying a copy of the new release. My previous comment was strictly tomfoolery.

            • Mooser

              You can’t be too careful, sure, it looks like coffee, but in Brazil, curare is administered to inveterate dog-earers in just such a manner.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Thanks for the tip. Should I find myself in Brazil, I will avoid libraries and used book stores.

            • Mooser

              Just make sure you bring a book-mark, and you’ll be fine. Anyway, this mostly takes place among the Jivaro tribes, who are very jealous of their first editions.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yes, he was a great bullshitter. That was his redeeming quality. I had a neighbor who went to see him speak when he lived in Phoenix. I was talking to the neighbor decades later, and he said that (and my neighbor was in his 70s at the time) he had never seen a person who was so much the personification of evil in his life.

            • Mooser

              And of course, there’s a big difference between being a “great bullshitter” and being willing, even eager to take the biggest advantage of any bullshit you put over. That takes a special kind of anomie, and makes a contemptible spectacle of a man.

            • Missionary Kid

              “A contemptible spectacle of a man.” goes on my things said about LRH list, but it also applies to DM. I think I’ll put it on both. Thanks.

            • Mooser

              “I think I’ll put it on both. Thanks.”

              Okay, but please, correct the spelling, so I don’t look too bad.

            • Missionary Kid

              I did. Notice the spelling in my reply.

            • Mooser

              Thanks! V. kind of you.

            • Missionary Kid

              The correction was accidental. I happened to retype it, but even with cut and paste, my spreadsheet program would have caught it. I try to be accurate.

            • Mooser

              Uh-oh, I think I have exceeded the limits of “firm, but polite”. I must be more careful. I’ll try being “polite, but firm”

            • Guest

              Skimmed “Barefaced Messiah”. The title is a turn off.

              Were you really laughing? I am familiar with that popular condescending one-up. You are in such a high and superior position that you look down and laugh at the feeble lesser person you are toying with. That makes you feel like a big man? Ok do what you gotta do.

              It is L Ron Hubbard’s ordinariness I am talking about not any “accomplishments” you fantasize about. I know he was not the stereotypical villain twirling his long handlebar moustache which you need to keep up at all times in order to justify your need to feign outrage.

            • Mooser

              “It is L Ron Hubbard’s ordinariness I am talking about…”

              You don’t have the faintest goddam idea of what you are talking about. And I’d ask for French, or a light vinaigrette, but I think I see slugs in the lettuce. So keep your word salad.

            • Guest

              “You don’t have the faintest goddam idea of what you are talking about.”

              I guess not. I suppose that perceive that you do though. You are the expert here. I guess that is where all the laughter comes from “(look, I’m trying not to laugh) (oh, my ribs) (pfff,pff bla-ha,) (Bwa-ha-ha-ha) (HA-HA-HA-ha-ha ROTFLMAO!!!)”

              The knowing laughter of one who knows. That is you.

            • Mooser

              Well, “gunpoint” if you’ve got something to tell us, or, for that matter, me, go right ahead! Don’t let me stop you. You have the floor, sir, and we await your pronouncements with bated breath.
              Let ‘er rip, “gunpoint”! Pull back the hammer, or whatever the fuck you guys do with guns so they are always ready for kids to kill themselves or each other with and let fly!

            • Guest

              “so they are always ready for kids to kill themselves or each other ”

              You appear to have PTSD or some other issues.

            • Mooser

              “You appear to have PTSD or some other issues.”

              No doubt you could conduct a very precise diagnosis if you had your copy of the DSM handy, eh? I admit, of course, to a bad case of Molysmophobia where Hubbard is concerned.

            • Mooser

              “or some other issues.”

              Okay, pal, you got me. I’m having visual hallucinations right now! I could have sworn your handle is “Gunpoint” but now it seems to say “Guest”! I’m going crazy, I tell you, crazy! Do you think auditing can help my case?

            • Mooser

              “The knowing laughter of one who knows. That is you.”

              Oh come on, gunny, old sack. Could you add a “grasshopper” to that? “The knowing laughter of one who knows. That is you, grasshopper” Please? Just for me?

            • MaxSpaceman

              This “Guest” changed his/her posting name for this thread from “Gunpoint” to “Guest”. A poseur.

            • Mooser

              .” A poseur.”

              Possibly, but aren’t we all, to some extant? No, I prefer to think of him as a lost and wandering soul, timidly seeking some kind of spiritual succor. And I pity the poor succor who gets mixed up with him.

            • Mooser

              “The title is a turn off.”

              The title is inspired, if you ask me. Absolutely inspired.

            • Missionary Kid

              That truly is the mark of a shallow person, to be turned off by a title and not look further, or a $cientologist. One thinks they know everything or that things must be spoon-fed to them, with no intellectual effort, and the second is afraid to look at anything that might be entheta.

              I will be quite frank, and accuse you of lying. The book cites documents obtained by the Freedom of Information act, as well as LRH’s personal papers. It is documented that LRH was a liar, a con man, and a convicted thief, as well as a flat out incompetent Naval Officer who created an international incident, then spent most of his time in a Naval Hospital, trying to get out of the Navy.

              But, of course, that would be too difficult for your tender sensibilities.

            • Mooser

              “But, of course, that would be too difficult for your tender sensibilities.”

              It’s that “bare”, don’t you know! Sounds salacious! Why any book with “bare” in the title must be filthy!

            • Great White Clam

              Damn, moose.
              There ain’t even any bare naked ladies in that!
              But, I agree…

              FILTHY!

            • Mooser

              There’s one picture of “Barbara” when Hubbard started, well, I’m not sure you can call it “dating” because Hubbard was married, maybe twice over, at the time, but anyway, which has interesting implications. She strikes me as a little fireball, not even twenty-one at the time. Not that there’s anything wrong with that! But that’s about all the pictorial pulchritude I encountered in my perusal of the epistle.

            • Missionary Kid

              Snickersnort!!! :-)))

            • Guest

              Yes I am a “shallow” person and that must mean that you are a very deep and wise person.

            • Mooser

              “Yes I am a “shallow” person and that must mean that you are a very deep and wise person.”

              Man, if you feel that bad about implications of comments that you are manufacturing for yourself, you might want to seek some kind of help. You always crumble that fast?

            • Missionary Kid

              Gee, thank you, but I didn’t say that. I will say that I try not to be shallow. You just admitted to it, which is not admirable at all.

            • Mooser

              “laugh at the feeble lesser person you are toying with. That makes you feel like a big man? Ok do what you gotta do.”

              Look, I’m charmed, and I appreciate the offer, really do, but no thanks.

            • CharlieWaters

              If you find the title “Barefaced Messiah” a turn-off, may I suggest John Atack’s “A Piece of Blue Sky”?

            • Missionary Kid

              Well, for one thing, LRH never passes a physics class. He got a failing grade in the one class he took. He also was writing the VA, asking for more money for disability because of what he had endured in the Navy. He continued to collect the money for hsi disability after he declared that he had miraculously cured himself.

            • Mooser

              Ah, yes, that would have been the period in which he wrote the “Affirmations”, a charming piece of L Ron’s work brought to light by Gerry Armstrong.

            • Qbird

              Representative Tammy Duckworth
              (D-IL) is questioning a man who is a contractor for the IRS. Many
              years ago, while playing football in the US Military Prep School, he broke his
              foot, and has claimed his status as a “disabled veteran” in order to receive
              preferential treatment on government contracts. Rep. Duckworth, who lost
              both legs in combat in Iraq, calls him out passionately and eloquently for
              gaming the system.

              8 minute video. http://m.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/tammy-duckworths-impassioned-shaming-of-a-faux-disabled-vet/277282/

            • Missionary Kid

              I remember that. It was 6 months ago. I don’t know what the outcome was, but the a-hole deserved to be prosecuted.

              LRH was, in the terms of the time, a feather merchant. I’d call him a pouting example of hubris. He would have court martialed in the peacetime Navy, but I’m sure that the Navy was just glad he couldn’t do any more harm when he was in the hospital.

            • Mooser

              And they never did award him a big or %100 disabled pension. He got first a very small amount, and later it was raised, some. It certainly wasn’t enough for a guy with a family and a girlfriend on the side. Even in Bremerton.

            • Missionary Kid

              This was, of course, during the period that he claimed he’d cured all of his illnesses with Dianetics. What a fucking liar.

          • Qbird

            Yes. A simplistic oleaginous cartoon view of L. Ron Hubbard ~ for the Sunday funnies:

            • Mooser

              “A simplistic oleaginous cartoon view of L. Ron Hubbard”

              “Oleaginous”? This is a baldfaced attempt to start a chain of sebaceous-cyst jokes. I won’t have it!

            • Missionary Kid

              You can get assistance to help you be more oleaginous if you use the oiliness table.

            • MaxSpaceman

              good 1 !!

        • Great White Clam

          LOL
          And elleraitch did indeed so go.
          And so forth, and what have you.

          Elleraitch was a spiritual wimp.

      • MaxSpaceman

        that would be a big Y-A-W-N also

      • Great White Clam

        Gi gurdjieff came up with a viable answer.
        LRH just masturbated.

        • Guest

          Bunkerites don’t masturbate?

          • Mooser

            “Bunkerites don’t masturbate?”

            So we are supposed to like L Ron Hubbard on the basis of mutual masturbation?

            You may not be aware of this (I know how crowded SeaOrg can be) but not every masturbation has to be a circle jerk.

            • Mooser

              So when people give out Scientology literature, do they say: “Remember, Hubbard was a man who masturbated, just like you, and on that basis, acquires credibility!”? Interesting way of establishing a connection with the prospect.

              And gee, isn’t masturbation one of the things adolescents in Scientology are constantly being interrogated about, and penalized for (in their spiritual progress, that is, and that cost money!)

            • Shirley Eugeste

              Or a cluster fuck? After the day’s developments in Ireland, seems appropriate.

          • Missionary Kid

            Nobody said it. What we’re saying is that was his solution to his problems.

            • Mooser

              “Nobody said it. What we’re saying is that was his solution to his problems.”

              Well, not to put too fine a point upon it, but during the time Hubbard spent with Jack Parsons investigating (with adulterous help, naturally) Crowley’s “Sex Magick” well, yeah, you could say that. They seemed to think it would help whatever ailed you.

              And then poor Parson’s, having lost his best girl to Hubbard, dropped a vial of nitro-glycerin on his toes. The rest of him blew up, too.

      • Jon Hendry

        I think LRH mostly asked “Why is that person’s money not in *my* pocket?”

        • georget1952

          Badda Bing! Slam dunk answer!

      • Shirley Eugeste

        In their teens, I bet all men ask some version of the question, “Why are we here?”

    • MaxSpaceman

      that would be a big Y-A-W-N

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Thread summary, as a courtesy to those browsing through:

      Troll doesn’t like mean things being said about LRH.
      Troll didn’t read Barefaced Messiah because the title is a “turn off.”
      Troll goes on to post more trolly comments.

      • gunpoint

        The World According To The Experts At The Underground Bunker

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Sorry, you may have mentioned this before and I have simply forgotten, but why is it that you come here everyday when you dislike it so much? Is this a job or some task you’ve been assigned to, or is it simply a compulsion you have?

          • Mooser

            He comes here every day, selects a handle, posts absurd things, gets mocked, and then deletes his posts (they go to “Guest” first, and then disappear)
            But this has got to be a first. I have never before seen anyone ask us to reconsider Hubbard’s credibility on the basis that Hubbard, like you or I, may have masturbated. I’m not sure I find that convincing, no matter how humanizing. But it’s about the most desperate bit of pleading I’ve heard yet from them.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yes, that is quite absurd. I was thinking about it, but I’ll spare everyone here a joke about controlling (or cleaning up) any MEST while masturbating.

        • Missionary Kid

          The world according to LRH’s own private journals and publicly available records show that he was a liar, a thief, a person who claimed psychological illness to get more disability pension from the VA when he was claiming that he’d been cured by the application of Dianetics, a bigamist, a sadist, (with his overboarding and peanut pushing around the deck of one of his boats, and the throwing of children into the chain locker for punishment), a poor Naval officer, who created an international incident, and who was removed from command of the small boat he commanded.

          We don’t have to be experts. There are plenty of dox to prove he was an asshole.

          • georget1952

            And when MK says “There are plenty of dox to prove he was an asshole”, that means the REAL DOX. Not the ones that were fudged for the kool aide drinkers to keep their cash coming in.

            • Missionary Kid

              Warm chuckle. Just the facts, ma’am, just the facts. Since $ciontologists are forbidden to look at entheta, I just hit them with the truth, which is all entheta to them, because they are forbidden to look at it.

              I had a little experience in debate when I was in college. I also try to avoid ad hominem and derailing tactics. You’ll notice, they try to change what we said and use the reductum ad absurbum tactics once we didn’t call them on it. They take a statement of ours to its extreme illogical conclusion by distorting it. Kinda like the reality distortion field that surrounds Co$.

              Mendacity is their way of handling our pointing them to any book that tells the truth about Co$. They lie and say that they’ve read or skimmed it. They couldn’t. It is forbidden.

      • Sibs

        Thanks, Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy!

  • Captain Howdy

    So everybody’s watching the Pro Bowl?

    • MaxSpaceman

      lulz . yeah right!

      • Captain Howdy

        Well they can’t be watching the Grammys seeing as how that crap nominated is beyond pathetic.

        • MaxSpaceman

          I think *Pink* is the real deal though.

          • Captain Howdy

            aaaaaaAAAAGGGGGGG!

            • MaxSpaceman

              really? her writing I think is real real

            • MaxSpaceman

              Oh- maybe you an Imagine Dragons fan then, eh?

            • Captain Howdy

              No, I’m a Stones, Who, Kinks, Velvets, Stooges, Dolls, Dictators, Ramones, Patti Smith, Pistols, Clash, Black Flag, Flipper fan. Ya know, real music, with people in bands playing instruments, writing their own music, angrily singing about what’s wrong with the fucking world.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Who from 2008 – 2014 would you suggest listening to ?

            • Captain Howdy

              I couldn’t suggest anybody in the last 20 years. Which doesn’t mean they’re not out there. The corporations finally figured out how to stop real rock’n'roll.

            • Science Doc

              It’s still out there in the little clubs. Live.

            • Jon Hendry

              Try the Waco Brothers. Or, really, anyone from Bloodshot Records.

            • Captain Howdy

              Dude is from the mekons? Sounds interesting, I’ll check it out.

            • Jon Hendry

              Yes! Jon Langford.

            • Captain Howdy

              “The Mekons Rock ‘n’ Roll” is an all-time classic.

            • Jon Hendry

              Yep. Langford’s solo albums are pretty good too.

            • Snippy_X

              Pogues

            • Captain Howdy

              Winner winner chicken dinner except for the fact the Pogues are over 20.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTVnrHy73zk

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Sublime is still in the 20-year window and should be appreciated more than they are. Unfortunately, they died when Bradley Nowell died. He overdosed on heroin, 7 days after marrying the mother of his baby son and a month before their 5x platinum album was released. One of the biggest tragedies in music history.

            • Shirley Eugeste

              Billy Bragg.

            • D.Y.G.

              Rise Against

            • D.Y.G.
            • TXCowgirl

              Vintage Trouble. They opened for The Who concert tour last year. Love child of the Rollings Stones and James Brown. Check out the album Bomb Shelter Sessions. Here is the youtube link to one of the songs. Their album (yes, I know I said album) varies from full out rock energy to beautiful ballads. I’m a big fan, but I understand to each their own.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fam8cJw-IVg

            • MaxSpaceman

              nice!

            • Shirley Eugeste

              Frank Turner.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1L5zJ2afLs

              frank-turner.com/video/

              en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Turner

            • Science Doc

              My kind of music. I was having surgery once with insufficient anesthesia. They were playing tunes in the operating theater and the Ramones I Want to be Sedated came on. I sat up and said me too.

            • jeff

              Cool story, bro

            • Missionary Kid

              BTW, Fear just played a concert recently in L.A.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Strange that the Goo-Goo Dolls made your list. Did you throw that in just as a “one thing doesn’t belong” puzzle?

            • MaxSpaceman

              make that The New York Dolls

            • D.Y.G.

              I think he’s talking about the New York Dolls.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I doubt it. The Goo-Goo Dolls are much more recognizable.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Not for the Cap’n, though, Jimmy 3T.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              There’s nothing wrong with the Cap’n liking the Goo-Goo Dolls. Everyone liked “Iris” in the late 90s.

            • MaxSpaceman

              oh no doubt.
              I’m just thinking when he says the Dolls he is definitely talking about David Johansen and the boys in New York Dolls.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Well, we’re going to have to agree to disagree then.

            • MaxSpaceman

              I see what you did back up there (finally). It took a while but you ‘got’ Cap’n and he winded-up posting that Dolls (NY) vid.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I don’t know that the Cap’n can be ‘got’. But yes, I knew what he meant by Dolls and was just messing with him.

            • MaxSpaceman

              when he goes, aaaaaaaAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHH then, you got him.

            • TXCowgirl

              Just the same, Love the NY Dolls. Have you seen the docu on Authur “Killer” Cane, base player for the band? He eventually became a Mormon. Very interesting film.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Doll

            • Captain Howdy

              aaaaGGGGHHHHH!

            • TXCowgirl

              New York Doll docu trailer:

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwD04NsnLLg

            • TXCowgirl

              Arthur Kane: breaks my heart. Such a talent, so much lost.

            • Great White Clam

              Wait.
              There’s something wrong with the world?

              J/K

            • Sandy

              Yeah – that was so 1980′s …

            • Sandy

              PS – I was a 1970′s hippy.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Okay- but you love Punk — so you must be a huge fan of Daft Punk, right?

          • D.Y.G.

            She has an amazing voice

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Her song with the guy from FUN is the first Pink song I’ve ever liked.

            • MaxSpaceman

              We’ll find love again – that’s really a terrific universal thing- yeah I like that 1 too.

        • Sandy

          So few peeps I care about.

          Whoa – just watched Pink

        • Jon Hendry

          Hey, Neko Case was nominated. Didn’t win. But was nominated.

    • Sandy

      Ah … that would be a big Y-A-W-N – even tho there is nothing else on TV to watch! That says something….

      • Sandy

        I kinda thought I might watch it, until I learned about the new rosters etc. fugitaboutit.

        • Captain Howdy

          It’s been the best game in a long time. They’re actually hitting each other.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I cringed when TJ Ward went low and flipped Josh Gordon into the air. Having our best player injured at the Pro Bowl seems like something that would happen to Cleveland.

            I’m not a fan of Brown on Brown violence.

          • Sandy

            Really? I should give it a try? OK – beats the Grammys

            • Sandy

              Sorry, Howdy. You guys continue on without me. There is really no team to rout for – which is the point of us sideline spectators …

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Some new rule changes they should add for next year’s Pro Bowl:

            -No extra points. Go for 2 every time.

            -Field goal attempts allowable only from 50+ yards. There were two of these that I saw, both fails, but the 67 yard try to win the game was at least exciting.

            -Let them put more than one player in motion before the snap. Have no restrictions on how many players have to be at the line. This will allow for more creativity in drawing up plays and will make it kind of like professional backyard football. I want to see that craziness.

      • aegerprimo

        I’m watching Downton Abby.

        • Pinkhammer

          Not to forget Sherlock!

    • Mooser

      Not us. We are cleaning the house, and will fast, pray and purify ourselves in preparation for next Sunday. Every bit of positive spiritual energy we posses will be focused on the Seahawks.

      • Captain Howdy

        Peyton will doing this after the Seahawks get done with him.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO9FD7zI7k0

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I’m not a doctor, but I imagine that will require further neck surgery to fix.

        • Mooser

          Well, the game is highly competitive, and the ability to turn your head more than 360 degrees can be a valuable asset to a quarter back.

          The tension here through this week is unbearable, and the outcome uncertain. To me, football teams always embody the characteristics of their names, so we are discussing the relative abilities of birds and horses in football. It’ll be awful for the offensive line, unless they’re quick. Anyway, next Sunday will tell, and there will be no joy in Mudville or everybody will be.all “O freunde nicht diese töne!, sondern lasst uns angenehmere“-ing and Halleluiah Chorusing and stuff.

    • Qbird

      TV shut down for the winter – music on – Lucinda Williams – following links from teh Bunker
      And… watching real time GPS tracking of John Beargrease Dogsled Race ~

      http://beargrease.com/race-tracking.php

      • TXCowgirl

        Lucinda Williams. My VERY favorite singer/songwriter. Bravo for you Qbird!!!

        “Side of the road”…..

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1sob8iICHw

        • TXCowgirl

          Yikes! Sorry folks. Didn’t know it would be so big.

      • Mooser

        Big doggies! Samoyed’s? Healthy, powerful back legs! I bet they never need TTA’s, nearly driving their owners into penury. I bet they, unlike a certain dog I know, do not need to sleep on a bed, under the covers. Just sayin’

    • MaxSpaceman

      A punk band (I think) that Cap’n Howdy may really like a lot (I think) wins Album of the Year, “Random Access” by Daft Punk.

      • D.Y.G.

        LOL!

        • MaxSpaceman

          I guess you’re thinking that cuz you don’t like the hardcore punk of Daft Punk. Eh?

  • Ardent

    Gee, a ‘Surival’ rundown. Impressive.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Did you guys see it? These Irish are not happy. The story just refuses to go away. Good.

    Scientology – The Biggest Scam About http://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/scientology-the-biggest-scam-about-1-5827814

    Snips:

    “The video clearly showed a member of the cult being interviewed in a
    studio plastered with Ocean FM logos. But here’s the problem for the
    little old Church of Scientology, no such interview ever took place, no
    such studio exists and in fact they had completely made up the whole
    bloody thing!”

    “The whole thing was from start to end a bogus, unrealistic distortion of
    the facts, what we might just as well refer to as a good old fashioned lie.”

    • MaxSpaceman

      Good freakin’ show !!

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yeah! I think scientology cleared Ireland. Just not the way they wanted.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Special thank you to Tony and his source of the event video,
          and whoever called Ocean FM, I believe it was our poster InterestedInCrazy.

          The Underground Bunker delivers!

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Pete Griffiths was the one who called and was later interviewed. InterestedinCrazy wrote a bunch of emails to Irish media and one of their letters was read on air. Both did great work in this case.

            • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

              Exactly! Pete was also interviewed on the Joe Duffy Liveline Show on RTE.ie
              Should come up if you hearsay it. Don’t recall date but it’s on the thread below.

              Pat Kenny of Newstalk.ie also interviewed Zabrina Shortt (Collins) of the Dub Mission…scathing interview…it’s all on that link below.

            • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

              The letter of mine was read on Joe Duffy at rte.ie, the show is called Liveline.

          • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

            Thanks, but it was Pete from WWP (PedroFcuk) who called them. I sent an email to several sources as soon as Tony published. First broadsheet.ie published it, it got picked up by Irishmirror.ie, where Pete saw it.

            More here:

            http://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2014/01/14/scientology-new-year-international-celebration-dublin-mentioned/

            I flooded the press and continue to write to them. I will update here:

            https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/update-situation-ireland.116353/page-2#post-2413313

            I was at the protest Saturday: Watch John McGhee and Pete Griffiths confront Ahmed!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3t0uBZ77Fo

            • DodoTheLaser

              Hey, thanks anyway! Impressive work, IIC! And thank you brother Pete!

            • Hubbub

              I was hanging around the eve you started blasting tweets, IIC, and it was great fun to watch this all play out in real time…. and it continues to play out. As others have said, way to go!

            • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

              I got an awful amount of abuse from a group of regulars here and one who posed as a new member. I think this video above is what you might term as vindication. They said i wasn’t real, wasn’t really in Ireland and was taking credit for things I’d not done. You can clearly see me in the video posted above, particularly identified at the end.

              I repeatedly posted that I was not to thank, that the heroes were the Dub Anons, whose photo I posted several times thanking them.

              This would be a good time for those who were so horrible to apologise and wipe the slate clean, either privately or publicly. You can do so in a private message on WWP too.

            • TXCowgirl

              Though I wasn’t online for the misplaced spanking and missed the thread, I’m sorry just the same. I have and continue to enjoy your comments.

            • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

              Thanks, it was really only a few people who got vicious…I understand people may disagree and even vociferously at times, but the personal attacks are not appropriate.

            • TXCowgirl

              and now, all is good?

            • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

              With me? Yes, excellent!
              I had great craic with the Dub Anons and I’m going to hopefully make it a monthly thing.

            • TXCowgirl

              Yay! On that positive note, I am off to the world of dreams. A tout à l’heure.

            • Shirley Eugeste

              toodle-oo

            • Hubbub

              I had to “word clear” that — craic. Good word. (And my first time using the term “word clear” in a sentence. First “enturbulate,” then “blow,” now “word clear.” What are you people doing to me? :)

            • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

              Craic is Irish for fun/laughs/good time…not crack, which is the drug!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Ohhh damn, Rob Ford missed a great opportunity to explain his problems there.

              “No, no! I see now where there was confusion! It was craic, not crack, lads. It’s funny how mistranslations can get one into trouble. Hehe.”

            • Shirley Eugeste

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_T8dzyc2Ro

              It’s crack, I’m back yeah standing
              On the rooftops shouting out,
              Baby I’m ready to go…

              This was a Mazda ad once upon a time. (Now it’s one of my workout songs.)

            • Hubbub
            • DodoTheLaser

              Pure Awesome.

            • Hubbub

              I just love those guys. Soooo good live.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Me too.

              And this song:

              I’m Shipping Up To Boston – Dropkick Murphys

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-64CaD8GXw

            • Shirley Eugeste
            • Hubbub

              Who knew I could learn new music while studying sci-fi-tology? Thanks, SE!

            • Shirley Eugeste

              They were saturating the Maritime airways when I was there about 15 years ago. Been a fan ever since.

            • Hubbub

              Thanks, DTL. New group (to me) to keep an eye on!

            • Shirley Eugeste
            • Hubbub

              I’ve also been watching that element of things around here and think it’s just one of those things that’s disturbing but needs to be ignored — though they made it a little hard for you to ignore, from what I remember reading.

              I have picked up “fleas” at certain times of the day recently, but I figure it’s either OSA trying to stir something up or “mean girls” (or guys) who don’t like outsiders. I just try to focus on the many, many nice posters who are kind enough to answer my stupid questions, engage in silly banter once in a while and are willing to share personal stories so that the rest of us can help spread the word. It’s those people that keep me coming back to the comments section.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Yes, but this was from regular Bunkerites not OSA – and were acting like mean boyz’n'girlz, indeed.

            • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

              I agree, ignoring is good. But when someone repeatedly personally insults, curses and abuses you to the extent that they interrupt your ability to participate, then I think it’s gone too far.

            • Hubbub

              Good point. Glad you have stood up for yourself so well and are continuing to post.

            • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

              I learn so much here; the more I learn the more I need to learn. Going to the protest and speaking to ex’s, family of people in and long-time never-ins was like reading 1000 of Tony’s posts all in one day!

              Got a signed copy of John Duignan’s book “The Complex”…it’s brilliant and I didn’t know that the Nicola Tallant who co-authored also wrote the scathing article about the recent flap in Ireland:

              http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/investigations/scientology-claims-to-have-cut-irish-drug-crime-by-85

              I absolutely LOVE that this appears on the page with other crimes!

            • Jo

              I want to read that book. Waiting for hubby to wake up, so I can watch your protest vid. Using iPad under covers. First up has to walk the dog, it’s freezing cold today.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Midwest, eh?

            • Jo

              Northern Ireland.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Even colder. Brrr :) Stay warm.

            • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

              I love your ‘avoid walking the dog’ tech! Genius.
              I’m on a bus to Dublin. Again!
              Lashing rain!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              This gets my vote for comment of the night. I did an IRL LOL.

              You should find a way to “accidentally” wake him up, maybe with an elbow or a knee, and then followup with “Sorry, what?.. I was asleep, did I wake you?”

            • Missionary Kid

              Ear buds?

            • Qbird
            • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

              Children?

              Can you be more clear about why you posted that?

            • Qbird

              It a video that has been posted numerous times here in the Bunker over the years – when people get piled on. It’s a tough crowd – you stood your ground – you did well Interested. period. and now you’re IN. got it?!

            • Shirley Eugeste

              Thought that was going to be the “trial by fire” scene from “Tom Brown’s Schooldays.”

              Can’t find the clip online. Suffice it to say that children are sadists,

            • Qbird

              never heard of this but I hearsayed it – sounds like a sweet little ol’ book…
              on the development of boys.

              Are you English Shirley?

            • Ardent

              I feel the same, Hubbub. There are plenty of really nice people ere, which, as you say, makes returning easier and fun. And I have learned an amazing amount about the cult.

            • MaxSpaceman

              I saw that abuse, iiC, and was startled by it, the self-appointed.

            • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

              Thanks for your support at the time. If we are to self-govern and mod then we have to call out people who abuse others for false information. That’s what just people do.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You don’t need to prove yourself to anyone here. Some will be suspicious of you and continue to dislike you, but their number is small in comparison to the people who believe you and appreciate what you have to say. I hope you understand that.

            • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

              I do. I just am a ‘clear the air-clean the slate’ kind of person. If those people wish to do so, they know how to get in touch.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Perhaps a good lesson for anyone.
              Simply watch long enough, before jumping to any conclusions and accusations.

        • Missionary Kid

          Hopeful$cientology will have cleared out of Eire.

        • Shirley Eugeste

          They cleared Ireland the same way St. Patrick did. In other words, they didn’t.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I see infomercials that are designed to look as though it’s taking place on a talk show or a news segment all the time. They’re always very generic looking and lack any sort of network identification or trademark. But they shoot it that way on purpose. Because it’s fake.

      They could have filmed a segment that suited their purposes in this genetic fashion. So why did they think they would get away with using signage from an existing radio station? They know that everything they do as an organization will be scrutinized by critics. So why did they believe this blatant lie would go unnoticed? This makes no sense to me, and Scientology is usually my go-to for sense making.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Probably because, their event lies were never leaked before to such extent.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          True. But by this point, I’d expect them to assume anything and everything will be leaked and proceed accordingly.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Yes. Funny how the world is “putting ethics” on scientology.
            We were taught it was supposed to be the other way around.

          • TXCowgirl

            They lie, always have lied and will continue to lie. There IS no where from which to proceed, is there?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              There is always a point from which to proceed. After telling any lie, they have options. They can improve on an existing lie, attempt to conceal or explain an existing lie, or tell a brand new lie. They are not limited to one option, and usually they go with ‘all of the above.’

            • TXCowgirl

              I stand corrected. Uncle!!!

            • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

              I think there were probably a lot of lies on those videos, some in languages we can’t understand! I wonder if there are any Bunker folks from Taiwan?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I don’t know of anyone here that lives in Taiwan, but it’s certainly possible that some regular lurker(s) speak Mandarin. (ni hao)

            • DodoTheLaser

              They can also stop lying, but the events will be whole lot shorter. Not good for business.
              At this point, scientology is caught in its own inability to fulfill its promises. Hence, the show.

      • Hubbub

        Do you guys think this was a case of the local Irish Scilons buckling under pressure to prove they are doing great things, or do you think the video fabrications and incorrect statistics were orchestrated from higher up? Clearly, the organizational culture lends itself to lies, but I guess I’m wondering if DM was aware in advance of the extent of the prevarications and if these poor Irish Scilons are going to be blamed and severely punished? (Ok… I guess I know they will be blamed and punished one way or the other, even if it wasn’t their fault, but you know what I mean… Who ordered this?)

        • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

          Good question, Hubbub. Zabrina Scott/Collins of $ci Dublin Mission said several times it was a pirated internal video. I’m guessing they thought no one outside of that sheep audience in Clearwater would ever see it. As for whether they told DM it was fabricated or not (re-enacted as Zabby claims)…I don’t know. I’d guess the Dubs chanced their arm to impress. Ger (which is pronounced Ger with the G like Giraffe, but DM kept calling him Ger with the G like Goat) Collins the mission holder was there himself all happy smiles. I wonder if he’s recovered from the berating yet?

          They picked a very remote part of Ireland to do a lot of the filming and many businesses in Dublin were found to be unaware their premises were used for this purpose and they were not happy.

          • Hubbub

            Nothing like allowing a little sunshine in to reveal the truth. “Giraffe” and Zabrina are going to be scrubbing a lot of toilets with toothbrushes.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Hopefully that will help them to blow for good.

      • Sunny Sands

        FIFY
        Scientology is usually my go-to for non-sense making

  • Shirley Eugeste
    • Missionary Kid

      I don’t jest when I say, “You rock!”

      • Shirley Eugeste

        Funny seeing people from here dancing across the screen over there…

        • Missionary Kid

          Over here is California. Where are you at?

          • Shirley Eugeste

            Washington. But I think of Tory as being “here,” and was surprised to see her pop up on the screen in Ireland.

            • Missionary Kid

              The video of the conference in Scotland also features LRH’s great grandson.

  • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

    Robot even knows that Scientology glurge is NONSENSE:

    “At the wedding of Neva Reese and Moe McLendon in San Juan Capistrano, Calif., in July 2011, it was a robot named Father Emiglio, with flashing red light bulbs for eyes, that posed a tough question to the bride, while the gathered guests howled. “Neva, do you promise to coordinate your functions in cooperation in sickness and in health?” it asked Ms. Reese, now 33, as she was about to marry Mr. McLendon, now 37.

    Then Father Emiglio sputtered and said, “Please vocalize your agreement,” before passing the proceedings on to Eric Sherman, a minister ordained by the Church of Scientology. Mr. Sherman rambled on about philosophy, but Father Emiglio was programmed to interrupt: “Stop. Stop. Enough. Nonrelevant.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/fashion/weddings/i-now-present-mr-and-mrs-jetson.html?_r=0

    • DodoTheLaser

      Hahhahaa! I don’t even know what’s more surreal… Too funny!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      How could you NOT include a photo of that sacred, sacred Scientology ceremony?

  • woodrose

    Steven Mango has released his entire 2.5 hour film on youtube.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfKqOUMrCw8&feature=youtu.be

    Inside the Scientology Celebrity Centre: An Ex-Parishoner Reveals All

    I’m limited on allowable monthly download capacity, so I won’t be able to watch such a long video, but I look forward to reading reviews from Bunkeroos who do see it.

    • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

      Excellent!!

      I’ll watch it on unlimited broadband and post highlights!!

    • EnthralledObserver

      omg… ALREADY!? You’re a star, Steven… looking after the peeps. :)

    • Exterrier

      I got a Take Down message when I went to you tube. Apparently there might be music in it, and the scibots got you tube to take it down over music copyrights. Mighty fast.

      • chukicita

        I could be wrong here, but I believe YouTube has or had software that helped it identify uploads that contained copyrighted music. Not everything is the scibots :D

    • Charlotte

      Watching it now with jamoca almond fudge ice cream.

      • Sunny Sands

        Breakfast of champions!

        • Charlotte

          I’ll keep that in mind… I’m in the antipodes. Just after midnight here now. 30 mins to go on movie, but can’t stop watching. Hub transfixed too. I always appreciate a piece of material like this that makes it so painfully clear to him just why I’m so obsessed with Co$. It’s like having a great conversation with a friend, utterly compelling and completely awful.

    • Sunny Sands

      I’m able to watch it, no problems. Saving it just in case. Also tweeted #CelebrityCenterExposed the link.

      Also noted that Steve’s trailer for the documentary he put up last week has received 82,527 views!!

    • Interested

      Unable to watch it. Copyright not for the UK. Damn……

      • Sunny Sands

        Maybe he’ll put it on rutube.

      • Shirley Eugeste

        Try the Zen Mate app.. you can lie to your computer about where you are.

    • Charlotte

      Views were 70 when I started watching; 150 views 2 hours later.

  • Ardent

    I just checked You Tube. I could find Steve’s intro piece, but not the film. : (

  • Tone

    I’m sure someone else asked this already but I’m late to the party.
    Why a thistle?

  • Sydjazz