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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Black hearts and burning crosses: Scientology litigation is getting weird in Texas

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We asked the very talented Observer to create for us a fun take on the meme that has grabbed hold of the Bunker this week after we learned about how the phrase “black heart” came up during a court hearing in New Braunfels, Texas.

Since more media is starting to pay attention to this lawsuit (and getting some things wrong), we’ll try to give a quick sum-up. Monique Rathbun is suing the Church of Scientology, its leader David Miscavige, some of the church’s private investigators and other defendants, claiming that she was harassed for several years with surveillance, interference with her job, and pranks that included a dildo being mailed to her place of work. And all because she is married to Mark ‘Marty’ Rathbun, who was once the second-highest ranking official in Scientology and worked directly with Miscavige. Marty defected from the church in 2004, started a blog critical of Miscavige in 2009, and the Rathbuns then became subject of the surveillance and harassing protests — which Scientology has admitted to being behind. But Scientology argues (in something called an ‘anti-SLAPP motion’) that the lawsuit should be thrown out of court because its use of private eyes to follow Marty and Monique was part of a religious dispute with the Rathbuns and should be protected as free speech.

As the Church of Scientology International’s attorney Ricardo Cedillo put it in court Wednesday, it doesn’t matter if his client has a “black heart,” what matters is that it’s a religious dispute that the courts shouldn’t be involved in.

(Monique’s side points out that she was never a member of Scientology, and she didn’t deserve to be photographed, followed, and otherwise harassed for years simply because the church didn’t like her husband’s blog.)

Photographer Mike Bennitt tells us that several times during the day, Ricardo Cedillo made the point that even if his client had a “black heart,” it wouldn’t matter because Scientology’s anti-SLAPP motion was not about motives or intent.

Mike managed to capture one instance of Cedillo using the phrase while his camera was rolling, but he tells us Cedillo said it again when he was prevented from filming.

 

Here’s the best transcription we could make of what Cedillo is saying through the first portion of this clip…

The issues that the anti-SLAPP zeroed in on … are purely legal matters.

They want to — all you’ve heard is, he’s alluding to, I can show you smoking guns and say that, you know, they have a black heart and black… uh, malice in their hearts.

Judge, the case law, it couldn’t be clearer. The motivation, the intent, none of that matters on the … side. I can allude very quickly to it. You think those Ku Klux Klan and those Nazis that are burning crosses don’t have black motives in their hearts to cause pain to Jews and blacks and Catholics? Of course they do.

And the Supreme Court of the United States has said, that we as a society have made certain elections on the freedoms of expression, and in spite of that malice existing, and it doesn’t — he’s making all that up.

But even if you want to entertain the argument that it does, your honor, proper application of Supreme Court law says that that doesn’t matter.

As you watch Cedillo in action, you can understand why people who were there tell us he seems able to speak forever without taking a breath.

And that’s not the only strange thing we have for you today regarding Monique’s lawsuit. On Tuesday, a letter was filed in the case by Lamont Jefferson, who is acting as the local attorney for David Miscavige and the Religious Technology Center (RTC), the nominally controlling entity of Scientology. Miscavige and RTC filed “special appearances,” arguing that the court has no jurisdiction over them because they have nothing to do with the state of Texas or the harassment of the Rathbuns. But Monique named Miscavige as a defendant because she believes (and every former Scientology executive confirms) that Miscavige micromanages every aspect of Scientology, especially its retaliation and spying programs.

In order to prove that, Monique recently entered into evidence a series of text messages from former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder’s Blackberry. The texts document a conversation that was going on in March 2007 between Rinder, Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis, and Miscavige as they were monitoring and trying to sabotage a BBC journalist, John Sweeney, who was in the US making a documentary about the church. The texts show that Miscavige was not only micromanaging every step of the operation as Rinder and Davis followed and harassed Sweeney, but also that Miscavige belittled and berated his employees, calling them names with a series of acronyms — CICS (counter-intentioned cocksucker), CSMF (cock-sucking motherfucker), and YS (you suck).

In the letter Lamont Jefferson filed this week, he addresses that new evidence, and in a rather strange way.

The Rathbuns now rely upon a declaration from Mike Rinder and a series of purported text messages regarding activities in London England that date between March 19, 2007 and March 24, 2007. Even assuming the authenticity of the purported text messages (a dubious assumption), the subject matter has nothing to do with the State of Texas.

Dubious? Dubious? That’s not a denial, that’s barely a Bronx cheer in Rinder’s general direction.

And London, England? Did Jefferson even read the texts themselves, which are clearly describing Rinder and Davis following Sweeney from Florida to San Francisco to Los Angeles?

As for their relevancy to the Texas lawsuit, the texts are some of the best evidence ever submitted in a court file that shows how a Scientology spying campaign is happening, in real time. They show that not only is Miscavige demanding information at every step, he also directs every move as a substantial document trail is created.

Monique filed that evidence in order to show that Scientology’s current position — that Miscavige had nothing to do with a four-year-long, intense program of surveillance of his biggest enemy, and that the operation, which featured perhaps a hundred different protesters, private investigators, lawyers, videographers, and other agents over the years, somehow did not produce a scrap of paper or an email or any other evidence that the church can now turn over as discovery.

Those 2007 texts make it plain that such a claim is, well, dubious.

But there’s one last item from the letter we want to point out to make the oddity of this week complete.

On page 4 of his letter, Lamont says that Marty Rathbun may be convinced that David Miscavige is obsessed with following and spying on him, but what if it’s all in Marty’s head?

“So convinced is Marty Rathbun that Mr. Miscavige must be preoccupied by his antics, it is simply unfathomable to him that Mr. Miscavige is in fact engaged in more important activities.”

But wait, there’s a footnote to this sentence. And here’s what the footnote says:

DSM-IV-TR describes “projective identification” defense mechanism as one where the individual deals with emotional conflict or internal or external stressors by falsely attributing to another his or her own unacceptable feelings, impulses, or thoughts.

Did you see what Lamont did there? He’s saying that Marty Rathbun has a mental illness, and he quotes from psychiatry’s diagnostic manual, the DSM!

Yes, although it was Scientology that sent teams of intimidation squads to South Texas to sit outside the Rathbun home day after day for 199 days in 2011, and also flew out private investigators to follow their every move, photographed their house around the clock, and maintained anonymous smear websites providing daily calumnies about Marty and Monique … it was Marty that was obsessed with Miscavige, and because he was crazy!

Ah, the upside-down world of Scientology litigation never disappoints, does it?

 
UPDATE: On Wednesday, Scientology’s attorneys presented their full argument in support of their anti-SLAPP motion. Based on that testimony, they’d like Judge Waldrip to dismiss Monique’s lawsuit. Monique is asking for a continuance (a delay) so she can get more evidence before responding with her arguments against the anti-SLAPP. Judge Waldrip asked Monique’s team to submit a list of evidence they want Scientology to turn over if he grants a continuance. Her lawyers did turn in that list yesterday at noon. Waldrip asked Scientology to respond to that list by today at noon, and then he will rule whether to dismiss the lawsuit or give Monique more time to respond to the anti-SLAPP motion.

We do not, however, know whether Waldrip is going to make that determination today. In the past, he has taken several days to make his decisions.

Also, a date of January 22 has been set for a hearing on the motion for sanctions that Monique filed last week.

 
2nd UPDATE: We now have a copy of the motion to quash the David Miscavige deposition which Lamont Jefferson filed with the court yesterday. We told you earlier that Ray Jeffrey had filed a formal notice to depose Miscavige (Judge Waldrip had already ordered that he could do so) and he set it for January 29 at Lamont’s law offices. But Lamont is moving to stay that order, and we’re guessing this is pretty pro forma language.

 
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The happiest guy who ever bought an e-meter

Now that the new $5,000 Mark Ultra VIII e-meter has been released, you have to think that Scientology leader David Miscavige is hoping lots of his followers are this happy about forking over that much cash for a machine that measures tiny electronic fluctuations in the skin.

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 10, 2014 at 07:00

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  • vistaril_LOL

    when does the live court akshun begin???

    • Simi Valley

      A couple of times it didn’t start until after the lunch break because the judge had to hear other cases (drugs, etc.) before getting to the good stuff.

      • vistaril_LOL

        thanks.Got a rare free Sat morning, so beer and popcorn and bad TV.

        • Simi Valley

          Except today is Friday.

          • Drat

            Not in Australia.

            • Simi Valley

              Right you are!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              The Bunker resides in the Twilight Zone.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              *refresh*

            • Jo

              Cool, your from the future, still fri here in Ireland.

        • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

          It’s Friday in America and therefore it is Friday everywhere.

          • Simi Valley

            Most importantly, it’s Friday in New Braunfels and court is in session.

          • vistaril_LOL

            I am elsewhere and its fookin cold. Prob be early sat morning by the time this things ends for the day.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              It finally warmed up in Austin. Got all the way down to 14 F (-4 C)

            • Robert Eckert

              It finally warmed up in Detroit. Got all the way up to 14 F (-4 C)

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Do you live in Detroit? I thought nature had reclaimed the city.

            • Mooser

              It’s dark, and rainy in Bummertown, Warshington. About 45F.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Sounds like that Dido album I used to own back in the mid 2000s.

            • Mooser

              “Sounds like that Dido album I used to own back in the mid 2000s.”

              Was it full of drippy noises, a little bird chirping, some far off dog-barks, and sometimes, traffic noise? That ‘ambiential’ stuff was big in the 00’s around here, too.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek
            • Mooser

              Yup, just like that. Brought me right back to the mid-aughts.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              That takes me right back to some of the darkest times of my life

            • Mrs. V.

              Great to see a fellow Detroiter! Very relieved the temp got high enough so that the salt will actually melt the ice on the roads. Now I just have to hope that the rain tomorrow melting all the snow won’t flood my basement.

            • Qbird

              We’ve got 20 ABOVE zero for the first time in over a month. Feels like a “heat” wave. Kinda can’t believe it’s warmer here than there, Robert.
              Polar Vortex – they’re sayin’… a bit broke off from the top of the world and came down to say hello. May do it again around Jan 17th (a prediction).

            • Robert Eckert

              It’s now 37, and we had a big avalanche of snow off the garage roof.

      • Robert Eckert

        In this case it will not start until the afternoon because the Sci-tis were given until noon today (Texas time = 1 PM Easter, 6 PM Greenwich) to file their list of objections to Ray’s discovery requests.

    • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

      Are they in court today?

      • Simi Valley

        Yes, Ray Jeffrey filed a request for discovery yesterday and the judge will rule on it today.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Should be another “Remember to Breathe” afternoon. Posting a note by monitor now.

  • AutOmatic

    Thanks for the summary Tony! So much going on it’s hard to step back and take a look at the whole thing to see exactly what’s going on. And the fact that Captain Blackheart is allowing his lawyer to use the blasphemous evil psych book is priceless! …there’s just not enough popcorn in the world for this…

  • valshifter

    16 lawyers for some body that is not important, or is it? is he peeing on his little panties?

    • Cat Daddy

      16 Lawyers, could be a song

      • Suzy

        It could be a performance group. Or a choir.

        • Mooser

          It’d be totally cool, I mean, with all those male voices there, it would be so completely cool if the Scientology legal team opened with a rendition of Monty Pythons “LumberJack Song!!

          “We’re Scientologists and we’re okay!
          We litigate and litigate night and day”

          No, no, they should do the “Lullaby League” and “Lollypop Guild” stuff from “Wizard of Oz”

          “We Rep-re-sent,
          The Spiritual Tech, The Spiritual Tech, The Spiritual Tech,
          And in the name of,
          The Spiritual Teeeecccchhhh!
          We’re sending you a dildo, U-P-S!!”

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Can I vote? Martin Mull, Captain Malarkey, and “Men Men Men”

            http://youtu.be/-m-xZ4gz4MM

          • Jenstnick

            Coffee. Out. My. Nose.

      • Imelda Marcos

        16 lawyers and what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt. Saint Peter don’t you call me ’cause I can’t go. I owe my soul to the company store

        • MaxSpaceman

          lulz
          Just posted the vid above thread. I heard the same thing you did.

          • Imelda Marcos

            One of my many childhood Dad-and-his-stereo memories.

      • AutOmatic

        This scene popped into my head, only replace it with the $cion lawyers all wielding massive dildos…I can’t stop laughing…
        http://youtu.be/jbcyiFt5VEs

      • MaxSpaceman

        At least a “16 Lawyers” parody, to “16 Tons” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIfu2A0ezq0

        • Anonymous

          With apologies to Tennessee Ernie Ford:

          Some people say a man is made outta mud
          A Sea Org shill is thetan and blood
          Thetan and blood and skin and bone
          A mind that’s a-weak and with nobody home

          With sixteen lawyers, what do you get
          Another foot bullet all over the net
          O’ Wee Davey don’t you call me ’cause I can’t pay
          I maxed out my cards just the other day

          I awoke one mornin’ when the sun didn’t shine
          I picked up my meter and I walked to the mine
          We ran sec checks then threw ‘em in The Hole
          The Sea Org boss said “Well, darken my soul”

          With sixteen lawyers, what do you get
          Another foot bullet all over the net
          O’ Wee Davey don’t you call me ’cause I can’t pay
          I maxed out my cards just the other day

          I was born one mornin’, it was drizzlin’ rain
          Fightin’ and trouble are my middle name
          I was slapped by a twit who told me to hail
          But he’ll feel different went he’s sitting in jail

          With sixteen lawyers, what do you get
          Another foot bullet all over the net
          O’ Wee Davey don’t you call me ’cause I can’t pay
          I maxed out my cards just the other day

          If you see the law coming, you better hide
          Ole Ronnie couldn’t, but he certainly tried
          One case of tort, the other of fraud
          If the civil don’t a-get you,
          Then the criminal will

          With sixteen lawyers, what do you get
          Another foot bullet all over the net
          O’ Wee Davey don’t you call me ’cause I can’t pay
          I maxed out my cards just the other day

          • Rita Gregory

            Brilliant!

          • Cat Daddy

            marvelous

          • MaxSpaceman

            Sweet, ‘nony !

    • Candygram

      yeah, 16 lawyers arguing an anti-SLAPP motion. it’s obvious i’m not a lawyer or judge, cuz i can’t figure out why this is even being heard. it’s ludicrous as soon as you see its face.

  • Mark

    Derek asked for someone to shoop this meme some while ago, so here’s Douchebag Dave:

    • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

      Yessssssssssss you are an amazing, amazing man!

      • Mark

        Thanks, Derek! I’ll put it on my Flickr page as well.

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s Captain Douchebag Dave to you. ;-)

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        A Dildo Named Blackheart.

        • Mark

          Douchebag Dave Scumbaggage.

        • Mooser

          “A Dildo Named Blackheart.”

          Absolutely! Steely Dan had a hell of a good run!

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m adding Dildo Blackheart and Blackheart Dildo to DM’s nicknames. You’ll see them there tomorrow.

    • Missionary Kid

      BTW, bothe Doucebag Dave and the derivative inspired by it, Captain Douchebag Dave, will be on the list of nicknames for the douchebag tomorrow.

    • Miss Tia

      That’s just the PERFECT look for him!

  • Simi Valley

    By now Judge Ricky Gervais is well aware of the time-wasting BS that the scilon lawyers love to pull (of course, every hour is another BILLABLE HOUR) and is going to shut them up and keep them on a short leash.

  • DamOTclese2

    “Why don’t we put her in charge?” — These Scientology lawyers really are goofing the floofing. Shouldn’t David be able to afford some Xenu-damned competent lawyers! with all that Tom Cruise money? The adults aren’t working, maybe it’s time to put the girl in charge, David.

  • BosonStark

    Whether it is on national television speaking about the abuses in Scientology or in his videos talking about a whole range of things to do with Scientology, Marty speaks VERY well and comes off as the opposite of insane.

    When you’re judging sanity from the standpoint of the crazy ramblings of L. Ron Hubbard, why drag the evil psychs’ standards into it. If Marty is going to have to undergo a psychiatric evaluation, it’s going to be embarrassing for the cult. Tom Cruise is the one who needs a psych check — he thinks clams are the only ones who can really help at car accidents and that they are the ones with “all the answers.”

    • Drat

      I think it was an absolutely brilliant move, as was the request that Laura submit to a psychiatric evaluation. It won’t reach the absolute die-hards, but it won’t harm either Marty or Laura and it might just help wake up some more “still-ins” to the utter hypocrisy of it all.

    • FromPolandWithLove

      I almost can hear Tom’s maniac chucle at the end of Your post

  • georget1952

    This “E-Meter” video was a hoot and a half :)
    I got alot of giggles while watching it, but my favorite part was at about 1:45 into the video.

  • Jo

    Scientology FB, loves crazy people :)

    • kemist

      The “anonymous” quote is from Steve Jobs.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        WTF can’t they hearsay this shit and at least give proper credit? Idiots.

    • Drat

      At last, truth in advertising.

    • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

      Lulz *refresh*

      • aboutandout

        It is not just expecting different results….it is stating with conviction that there are different results when there isn’t…lol.

      • Robert Eckert

        The quote is from Jane Furman writing in The Grapevine, the internal magazine of Alcoholics Anonymous. Within AA the quote is usually attributed to Bill Wilson, the founder. Outside AA, Bill W is not well known, so somehow Albert Einstein became the usual misattribution.

        • Elar Aitch

          The quote certainly fits alcoholic behaviour

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist
    • Great White Clam

      I’d send this to $cientology London if I cared enough;

      YSCOHB YS YS YS YS YS CSMF

  • Jgg2012

    Yeah, typical Scientology. We have 1st Amendment rights, you don’t. Our motives don’t matter, your motives (your spouse’s desire to start a new sect of Scientology matters).
    As to Cedillo’s point, they once again are citing something inapplicable. Nazis can march in Skokie. Why? Because marching is legal. Their motive is irrelevant. He’s correct there. But trespassing, photographing you inside your house, harassing your co-workers, and harassing your spouse is not legal, nor is stalking.

    • Candygram

      As much as i’m not into yet another religion thrown into society’s mix, it did cross my mind that it would be interesting if the rathbuns started their own sect. Then it would be a religious war of 1st amendment claims. But, taking that to its logical conclusion, it would be the wrong move in terms of what i really believe is the aim of the plaintiffs: to reinforce that actual criminal activity isn’t a protected right under the bill of rights, church, cherch or no-chyrch. That it’s prosecutable and that being a cherh doesn’t give you the right to violate the rights of others.

      • Jgg2012

        Whether Marty starts a new sect or not is irrelevant. By the way. Judge Waldrip must know by now that Miscavige and Rathbun hate each other, but that’s not the point; Monique is the plaintiff, and she was never in Scientology.

  • villagedianne

    What I am thinking is COS knows they are not going to win this, though they will try with crazy arguments, sort of like a Hail Mary pass. The real strategy is to throw someone, or some part of COS, under the bus.

    • Cat Daddy

      And even Davids own reputation

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      He’s already thrown CSI under the bus. The entire cherch! If he throws McShane, Davis, and Lou under there with the rest, who is going to grease his copper rods and pour his scotch?

      He’s running out of whipping boys and pigeons faster than he can hole them.

      • Cat Daddy

        Dead L Ron will be thrown under the bus soon me thinks

        http://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbardcoroner/oldhubb.jpg

        • MaxSpaceman

          OT 8
          – At cause over Matter-Energy-Space-Time
          – Living exterior to the body at will

          • Cat Daddy

            -Thrown under the bus by Dildo Dave at a whim

          • Sherbet

            I’ll bet Atty. Cedillo wishes he had gone exterior to his body just about the time his mouth was saying the words “black” and “heart.”

    • NeverIn

      Winning vs Losing? Meh. Per LRH, the COS legal strategy is and always has been to make any suit as expensive, long-running, and miserable as possible for their opponent. The only ground Miscavage won’t willingly give up is his own ass.

  • AnyOldName1

    AWESOME SHOOP! Really, really great. Observer captured so many elements and symbolism – something new every time I look at it. Is there a Pulitzer for Shoops like cartoons?

    • Drat

      I agree with the calls for a book. Or a website with a gallery and assorted Bunker comments.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Super terrific idears, Drat ~

      • ze moo

        Sounds like a coffee table book to me. I’ll put it along side my Calvin and Hobbes books. Lroon so reminds me of Spaceman Spiff.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Yes, a coffee table book was discussed. I suggested a mini coffee table made from the RIP oak trees to be sold as an accessory. Think That would be a big hit.

  • Mark

    The way that very silly young man kept on waggling his glossy “new” ten-year-old Mark VIII Ultra Easy-Bake E-meter about while singing, had me frankly worried – would there be an ominously expensive rattling sound as some cheap-and-plasticky component worked loose, or a distressing POP as the antique rechargeable battery exploded? More money than sense, as usual…

    • kemist

      If it’s a lithium battery, it will make a lot more noise than “pop”.

      Those things are nasty. They really explode when you short circuit them. The recent ones are reinforced so that they just become hot and sort of round, but the old ones are downright dangerous. And the meter is placed quite close to the users’ faces when in use.

      I hope for the sake of these poor deluded morons that the cherch wasn’t too skimpy when they chose the charger, as cheap chargers tend to damage lithium batteries.

      • Mark

        Chances are it’s a Ni-Cad or Ni-MH cell, given the age of the Mark VIIIs: lithium batteries were probably too pricy for the cheapskate-church a decade ago. That’ll mean they have lousy recharge-‘memory’. At least the old wooden-boxed e-meters afforded some protection from their notoriously leaky batteries – though not their dangerous internal rechargers.

        • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

          You have to let Ni-Cads drain completely before you charge them back up, that’s not true of lithium-hydride batteries.

    • Victoria Pandora

      the title of that youtube should be; “when scientologists try to get laid”.
      he may have a massive crush on his course supervisor.
      this sort of thing happens a lot. falling in love with sups and auditors.
      it always leads to expense and heartbreak.

      • Mark

        Whichever way you look at it, $5000 down the crapper…

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        And KRs?

      • Jenstnick

        And relocation to Austin….

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I was amused at the way he waggles his finger when he sings the phrase, “She likes the way it’s swingin’…” While it is a rather diminutive finger, he at least has the good sense to hold it in an upright position when he’s waving it in her face. So maybe there’s hope for the poor deluded dweeb.

  • N. Graham
  • NOLAGirl

    Saw this and thought of Tiny Boots. I think this case is causing digestive enturbulation. :)

  • NeverIn

    OMGLOL! I first saw this post on my phone and the image was too small to catch the YSCOHB. AWESOME.

    • kemist

      Don’t you love his parrot ?

  • Victoria Pandora

    Best shoop ever! Pure class, and more truth than most could ever guess.

  • vistaril_LOL

    CSMF = Cash Suits Me Fine.

  • Tony Ortega

    We’ve added a note to the piece about what may or may not happen today in New Braunfels. Some readers seem to be under the impression that there’s a hearing on the case today. There isn’t. Judge Waldrip may rule on the Scientology’s anti-SLAPP motion today, or it may be several days. We don’t know for sure.

    • vistaril_LOL

      Damn it…so I might have to do some of the personal paperwork I’ve been prevaricating over???

      BTW great site…after a year of lurking you have lured me in!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        and the dirty dishes. darn it. I was thinking of just buying a new cheap set from Costco if this pace kept up.

        • Great White Clam

          Do what I did.
          Paper plates.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I already do the paper plates, But coffee must be served in proper cups, then there’s forks and spoons, popcorn bowls, etc.

            • Victoria Pandora

              with all that is happening, really the popcorn bowls are getting out of control around here.
              perhaps the dentist thought i broke a tooth due to too much popcorn. i didn’t have the nerve to tell him it was the result of my jaw hitting the floor. lol

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              We’re going to need full Bunker gear this year. Already passing out helmets and oxygen tanks yesterday and it’s only Jan 10!

              http://i.imgur.com/l97Bh9al.jpg

            • Cat Daddy
            • Kitz

              I at least bring my own coffee cup. :-)

        • pronoia

          Maybe Baby will have a day off soon and can go over and help you out! :-)

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Welcome!

        Have some caek!

    • BigMcLargeHuge

      If I am understanding the state of the case, I don’t think he would be ruling on the anti-SLAPP motion. He would be ruling whether he would require Ray to provide his argument on the SLAPP motion without further discovery or allowing the discovery to occur before providing him that opportunity.

      Please correct me if I am wrong, but I didn’t think Ray has even provided his substantive argument on the motion because his point is that he can’t because of the lack of adequate discovery response.

      • Robert Eckert

        That’s what I thought as well, but I also thought after the discovery requests and the objections were filed, that Waldrip was resuming the hearing. Tant pis

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Arggggghh! Time to get out the board again. Soooo hard to keep track as usual.

          http://i.imgur.com/eytt2Jk.jpg

          • Elar Aitch

            Perfect distraction for us at the kids’ table

      • WhereIsSHE

        That’s right.

        Oral argument in open court to support an/or contest a Motion is properly referred to as a “hearing on the Motion”.

        The burden of proof is initially on the party who files the Anti-SLAPP motion to establish (by a preponderance of the evidence) that the lawsuit was filed in response to the exercise of his First Amendment rights. Then the burden shifts to the plaintiff to establish (by clear and specific evidence) a prima facie case for each essential element of the claim.

        In other words, the judge will not rule on the anti-SLAPP Motion before providing plaintiff’s counsel the opportunity to respond to the moving party’s oral argument on the motion.

        UNLESS!!

        Unless, that is, that he finds that the DEFENDANTS have not met THEIR BURDEN (as the filing party) to PROVE that Monique filed her lawsuit in response to the exercise of [the defendants’] First Amendment rights.

        In other words, as far as I am aware, Ray has not yet been provided the opportunity to argue his position (his client’s position) on the anti-SLAPP Motion.

        No way will the judge rule on the Motion without giving plaintiff the opportunity to respond orally in court UNLESS he intends to DENY the Motion outright.

        Then, there is simply no need for him to hear from Ray on the matter.

        Unusual, but not unheard of, either.

        So far, based on his other rulings (ordering Miscavige to appear for a deposition, e.g.), it seems safe to predict that he doesn’t seem persuaded by the defendants’ anti-SLAPP dismissal arguments.

        • Robert Eckert

          If he does just rule DENIED, no need to hear Ray or allow him discovery because the initial burden is not met, presumably he will take days to write up that ruling, since the statute does grant the right of appeal against a non-prompt denial, so he will want it bullet-proof. I am thinking though that he would not have bothered to make Ray file a list of discovery requests and Scientology file objections to them unless granting discovery was what he was leaning toward.

          • BigMcLargeHuge

            Robert, since you have been paying attention to the docket more closely than I, I was wondering whether there was any sort of stipulation on waiving the disposition deadline to avoid the automatic appeal right or did they just blow through that and will deal with the consequences.

            • Robert Eckert

              I remember the disposition deadline was mentioned during the December hearing when the cutoff date was only a couple days away. I don’t recall anything said about agreeing to waive that, but in the latest hearing note that one of Cedillo’s arguments against allowing Jeffrey any discovery on the factual questions involved in the anti-SLAPP issue is that he was entitled to a “rocket docket” resolution. I would infer that Cedillo had agreed to waive up until Jan. 8 but objected to any further delay; therefore any ruling by Waldrip that Jeffrey is entitled to discovery before the anti-SLAPP motion is ruled upon would become an appealable ruling.

            • BigMcLargeHuge

              Thanks for the info.

        • BigMcLargeHuge

          Ah, thanks for the clarification. The shifting burden aspect does make sense. Seems odd for there to be a break between the movant and non-movant’s oral argument but maybe that is specific to what has been happening with the discovery disputes in this case.

        • ThetaBara

          Thanks for the explanations, legal eagles! It’s a big help to those of us in the cheap seats.

  • Great White Clam

    The dwarf, McDivot Backstabbage, does not like this article’s lead-in shoop.

    But I do.

  • NOLAGirl

    Finally got to read Lamont’s letter and I have a few comments:

    “Plaintiff blithely invokes the most salacious of accusations……” Something your client knows all about.

    “Predictably, plaintiff did not confer with defendants before filing her motion.” Does she have to???

    “The plaintiffs current motion is misguided.” … Too easy.

    “First, Plaintiffs Motion is not only groundless, it is unethical.” … Again, too easy.

    “…text messages regarding activities in London, England” Really Lamont?? You don’t have people in your office to point out mistakes like this?? Might want to use some of that dirty money to hire someone.

    “So convinced is Marty Rathbun…….” We’re here again? I thought this was Monique’s case.

    “Plaintiff’s capacity for lodging caustic and unsupported accusations of wrongdoing apparently have no governor.” Coming from one of a large group of attorneys filing an Anti-SLAPP motion against one woman, that’s rich Lamont.

    Sometimes the comedy just writes itself.

    • Mooser

      Oh, I’m sure all that kind of stuff will improve now that they have a retired Texas Supreme Court Chief Justice about the place. He knows how to throw around all those good Latin Nolle prosequeis and lox vobiscums which might catch Waldrip napping.

      • MaxSpaceman

        One good thing about Judge W Here Come The Judge Waldrip is-
        – he’s on the moment-to-moment in Court. Vistaril uses pic as Avi for a reason. And that pic/avi says a whole lot.

      • Chee Chalker

        Next person to join the team: Dennis Rodman

        • Mooser

          I just got back from Googling and looking, there were all kinds of stories about Wallace Jefferson leaving the Texas Chief Justice post. In all kinds of publications. But none of them (that I saw in my quick drive-by) mentioned that his brother, Lamont, was Scientology’s counsel, much less that Wallace would immediately begin work on defending Scientology from a harassment suit. Weird.

          • Robert Eckert

            Then you missed Fox News in San Antonio, not only saying that Wallace was joining his brother on the Scientology team, but characterizing it as Wallace taking over the lead role. That was a big hit with the Bunker yesterday.

            • Mooser

              Yes, I did miss that, thanks for pointing that out. So somebody noticed. I better go read that one.

          • Chee Chalker

            which is why it is important that Tony keep mentioning it in this blog. Call me old fashioned, but I believe that even former members of the judiciary maintain a level of decorum. Hooking up with these clowns is the exact opposite of that

            • Mooser

              Of course, the entries for the TonyOrtega blog, and the others, were all about this. I’m very curios to see how this whole Lamont-Wallace thing plays out.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            We are used to up to the minute updates here. Major media is sloooow if they come to the table at all.

          • NOLAGirl

            I notice that one article on him said he was stepping down due to “financial struggles” because apparently $152,000 a year didn’t keep him in the style he wanted. He smelled that Co$ money and ran for it.

            http://blog.chron.com/texaspolitics/2013/10/wallace-jefferson-joining-private-law-firm/

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          He would bring a necessary sense of gravitas to the proceedings…

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Good idea. He an sing happy birthday to Ron in a few weeks.

    • Sunny Sands

      That’s DM’s lead attorney (I think), and it’s astonishingly bad.

      • pronoia

        I think either Monique (per dictation from Lou) is the actual author. All Lamont had to do was sign it and tell his secretary to fax it.

        • Sunny Sands

          Even a cursory reading of Rinder’s texts would show they were in the U.S. I think DM wrote it and Lou “communicated” it (as you said).

          • Robert Eckert

            That is what astonishes me most about the Lamont letter, that any attorney would file such a thing without even reading the evidence. Making a medical diagnosis without any medical expertise is the second most astonishing thing. The judge will not miss either indication of profoundly unprofessional conduct.

            • pronoia

              Don’t you think that Lamont understands that he is to do exactly as he has been told?

              And also, this kind of writing style seems to be a trend among lawyers working for scientology over the years — almost as if there was only one author to them all…

            • Robert Eckert

              Lamont ought to understand that there are limits beyond which a client should not be obeyed. He could end up disbarred over his conduct in this case if he is not more careful than he has been so far.

            • Davka

              Someone would need to file a complaint with the Texas Bar I’d think, and unless Ray J. Is going to do it, not sure if it would get to that. In my state, they seem to disbar for misappropriation of client funds more than anything else, and conflicts of interest after that. I think the motion for sanctions would need to be granted as a first step to any proceeding with the TX Bar.

            • Robert Eckert

              He could tick off the judge enough to draw some sua sponte sanctions and a referral to the Bar. This letter to the judge is so unprofessional as to be eyebrow-raising, unless practice in Texas is weirder than I imagine.

            • Davka

              Good points – and Texas, that is a foreign country to me – maybe all counsel are in the habit of writing to the Judiciary (insert skeptical shoulder shrug here).

            • pronoia

              He won’t be disbarred, He has insurance. It’s name is Wallace.

            • Robert Eckert

              Wally, I’m worried about the Beav…

            • Observer

              One COB to rule them all, one COB to malign them
              One COB to declare them SP and in the Hole confine them

            • Elar Aitch

              I’m glad to hear this Robert – since this post went up I’ve been concerned that somehow this type of lawyering was considered within the bounds of normal behaviour. Can this really be worth the money?

    • Observer

      Perhaps Monique’s accusations wouldn’t be so salacious if Scientology were not doing obscene things.

    • WhereIsSHE

      Regarding your question: “Predictably, plaintiff did not confer with defendants before filing her motion.” Does she have to???
      In some jurisdictions, the parties are required to make what is known as a “good faith effort” to resolve discovery disputes prior to filing a Motion for Sanctions.
      That typically means having documentary proof of your discovery requests and documentary proof, e.g. correspondence between counsel, (or a delineation of dates and contents of phone conversations between counsel wherein the outstanding requests are discussed) to show that you made a “good faith” effort to amicably resolve the dispute(s).
      I don’t know how strictly this court adheres to requiring proof of good faith. For example, does the court require that counsel address each separate request, or it is sufficient to show, by way of example, the failure of the adverse party to properly respond to the request(s).
      Regardless, unlike a great deal of litigation matters, where the judge ruling on such a motion has no prior contact with the parties/counsel, and is just ruling based on what has been filed, HERE–in THIS CASE– the judge is quite familiar with pretty much EVERYTHING.
      He knows the PLEADINGS (meaning he knows what the actual Complaint alleges), and due to the defendants’ actions and filings, he certainly knows their positions, and became even more familiar with not just the “gravamen” of the plaintiff’s Complaint, but also with many of the detailed allegations which support her Complaint.
      He knows the defendants’ throw-every-roadblock-possible-plaintiff’s-way tactics.
      He has read numerous affidavits, portions of deposition testimony, viewed videotape, reviewed text messages, etc.
      That is a wealth of information for a judge to rely upon when evaluating who is–and who is not–making any required GOOD FAITH EFFORT to RESPOND TO and/or RESOLVE DISCOVERY DISPUTES.

      In other words, that’s a GO-NOWHERE jab, IMO.

      *****
      For the life of me, I cannot imagine how one mistakes LAS VEGAS, SAN FRANCISCO, etc for LONDON.
      So SLOPPY.
      NO EXCUSE for that.
      Unless Miscavige ORDERED it, because he thinks there is a chance he can misdirect the court about where his BLACK HEART was focused??
      Just… BIZARRE.

      *****
      Miscavige’s OBSESSION with MARTY RATHBUN is the only thing being HIGHLIGHTED for this judge when his lawyer focused on NON-PARTY, Marty Rathbun!

      • NOLAGirl

        I kind of want to applaud that answer but I don’t think you’d hear me. :) Thank you so much for clearing that up. I thought that particular part of his letter was kind of arrogant. And Dave’s obsession with Marty is glaring. His name seems to pop up a lot in their pleadings to the court. For a bitter, defrocked apostate who “tells nothing but lies” they sure worry about him a lot. ; )

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          And don’t forget……….David Miscavige does not even know Marty Rathbun.

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • Elar Aitch

        Let’s hope Waldrip knows Jefferson well enough – at least by reputation – to draw his own conclusions.

    • Eclipse-girl

      can’t find the link for this motion or petition.

      I found the 3 page motion to quash, not this :(

    • Eclipse-girl

      found it.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Now I’m wondering how many whales it takes to keep Captain Blackheart in the lifestyle they have accustomed him to in his castle. How many millions did he spend just in 2103 in legal and what would that mean in the cost per whale column? Judging by the most recent events, anywhere from 100 to 200 whales (not counting individual family members in each pod) still showing up?

    Let’s see, $20 million divided by 200 = $100,000 per whale pod per annual cost in legal alone. That would mean each would have to “donate” a minimum of $1 million annually to keep the legal cost ratio no higher than 10%. Does he have an accountant who reports the cost/per whale % on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis?
    Those South African whale families must have been costing him a lot of business profits, more than we know at the moment, for him to declare the whole lot of them. But now I think I understand why the Super Power whales were served cheap cheese cubes on a toothpick under a tent: a subtle message that a million bucks doesn’t go that far these days.

    As to those not in the 1% wealth bracket, the not so subtle message: DM is just not into you.

    • Eclipse-girl

      and we are not that into him.

      I gotta say from reading about what scientology was like in the 60s / 70s/ 80s that it seems like you might make a few more clams if you made it more affordable.

  • Mark

    I think you’ve been far too kind to Captain Blackheart, Observer – for a start, he’s still got his own teeth, unlike most pirates who suffered from chronic pyorrhea through drinking all that rot-gut rum – never mind getting them kicked in by other pirates. Then there was scurvy, food-poisoning, parasites, all manner of tropical and venereal diseases… More like this, maybe? (refresh):

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Years ago I read a story about the Disney artists who created the ride for Pirates of the Caribbean. They did their research and came back to report that historical pirates spent their free time looting, raping, or sitting in jail, and that most of them died of venereal diseases. Hardly the stuff of a rollicking, musical adventure in Disneyland. Walt Disney’s solution: Make it all up!

      Hey! That’s exactly how Scientology got started, too. Too bad for them it isn’t nearly as popular.

      • Hubbub

        I wonder what a sci-fi-tology amusement park would look like?

        The Matterhorn could be an exploding volcano, Space Mtn. could have scenes from After Earth, the teacup ride would be some Alice in Wonderland reference with emeters as handholds, the log ride that splashes you into the water at the end could be made to look and feel like you are being overboarded from Davey’s ship…

        Ok, it’s official. I’m absolutely procrastinating from real life responsibilities. This place is crack.

        • Great White Clam

          I wonder what a sci-fi-tology amusement park would look like?

          something like this;
          https://lh3.ggpht.com/-BzULCiTimdo/T0unKMBH9nI/AAAAAAAAAEw/i3BR1G13jCY/s1600/Circus-Poster-Human-Flies-6-x-4-300.jpg

          • MaxSpaceman

            That’s a great poster, GW Clam !
            Do you know anything about that show it’s portraying/promoting?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              “Ceiling walkers” were a subset of the “human flies” who were in turn part of the daredevil/aerialist tradition in the circus. Ceiling walkers used a variety of methods to achieve their astonishing performance. There were special shoes fitted with iron blades that fit into grooves in the surface of the portable “ceiling.” Suction grips were common for some time. There were also pneumatic and even electrical/magnetic devices.

              It should be noted that many, many of the human flies were young women. They were light enough to keep the suction grips from pulling prematurely, and attractive enough to appeal to the Victorian audiences that would otherwise eschew such unrefined spectacle.

            • Elar Aitch

              The ‘to-hand’ knowledge on this board never fails to astonish.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Clearly, we are the exact opposite of Scientologists…

            • Great White Clam

              A little bit, but not much.
              3D pointed out the major stuff below…….
              It’s a good one for a clam-shoop, I think.

    • Observer

      As metrosexually dainty as Davey is, I’m pretty sure that even as a pirate he would floss and brush regularly.

  • Sunny Sands

    Tent Watchers’ Update The Big Top is down and tent #2, which was next to the Big Top, has just the frame left. The baby tent is still up.

    • Mark

      HOORAY!

    • MaxSpaceman

      Love to see this, Sunny S !
      Btw, now what – that lot lies empty? What does $cientology Inc. do with that giant lot w/o a tent on it?

    • Elen

      Thanks Sunny! Love your pics!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Thank you!

      So… will they be returning the trees they took out? It is said that only God can make a tree– so let’s see the CoS prove that He is just an Implant, and postulate some lovely trees into existence.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Spotted in the whales’ Super Power VIP lounge: Because they’re worth it.

        http://i.imgur.com/S5uYXbl.jpg

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          That’s so beautiful. Sniff, sniff…

        • Great White Clam

          Great basement room.
          I like.

    • Observer

      And those beautiful oak trees are still dead. >:-(

      • Qbird

        True, but they didn’t kill them all – they can’t. They’re super powers are weak.

        • Eclipse-girl

          …nvm

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            ? what does this have to do with the trees? did something get deleted…

            • Eclipse-girl

              I was trying to get a message to Qbird.

          • Qbird

            they’re should have been their, eh?!. There. I fixed it E girl… XO. ;-)

        • Betsy

          Gorgeous…your photo? Where is this lovely living thing?

          • Qbird

            Central Florida, south shore of Lake Kissimmee, one of many… they take my breath away they are so grand Betsy. You see that one giant branch lowest on the trunk? That branch stretches out about 40 feet! of living Oak! Pictures really do not do them justice.

            • Betsy

              Well, thanks for printing it. In the midst of all the depressing posts (although some of the trial info is hopeful) I saw it and kept looking back at it. Maybe one of the reasons beautiful old trees are so mesmerizing is that they continue to live and develop in spite of whatever silliness is going on in the human world…until, of course, someone cuts them down to make a parking lot or something. Is this what is called a Live Oak? (Forgive me, I’ve read lots of books about the South but have spent very little time there.) And is that hanging stuff Spanish Moss? I just spent another 5 minutes looking at it!

            • Qbird

              Yes Live Oak. Yes, Spanish Moss, sways in the breezes and only flourishes where the air is clean. I love that thought, continuing to live despite all the human’s travails.
              Lovely, Betsy. :-) Another photo for you ~

            • Betsy

              Thanks, Q! A lovely pic and a scene to relax in. I just got told I am a god-damned idiot and to stop posting, so this may be my swan song! Guess the Bunker is a private club. There didn’t seem to be a particular issue of importance today, it being the weekend, but I’ve been chewed out for answering posts. (I’ve only initiated TWO in my entire time here.) I hope you put on more pictures! I can read and look, even if it seems safer to retire.

            • Qbird

              Uh-oh. Well, it is a very tough crowd here Betsy. Stay calm. When I first started here, I got slammed a time or two myself. We live & learn. I just got home from work & answered a couple of messages from you & another… and that creeper Lifter replied to me too (yuck). People are very jumpy & spooked & wary here these days. Ignore the crap, stay focused on the subject matter. Do not attack others. Lurking is a safer way to go. I lurk far more than I post. Take care now.

  • Chee Chalker

    Think of the Mac books, X-Box Ones, Playstations, iPods, iPads, etc etc that $5000 would buy. That poor little kid

  • InterestedinCrazy

    OMG …the song. The e-meter song. I’ll never recover from the Dumb Chills i feel for that guy.

  • DamOTclese2

    Wish the Judge would hurry up and rule so the par-tay can resume! Let’s go, Judge! I wanna dance some moar.

  • DamOTclese2

    “…text messages regarding activities in London, England”

    Hey, David! Bring back Kendrick Moxon, he wouldn’t make such stupid idiot mistakes like this, you really should bring Moxon back to handle this. Really. That would end this case totally, no kidding.

  • CptBlackHeart

    For those of us that like pirate-speak, here is a nice link. Hope you approve and enjoy from the “brass monkey” of words:

    http://piratesonline.wikia.com/wiki/Pirate_Speak

  • Cat Daddy
  • Watergate

    Memo to LAMONT JEFFERSON, HIS ASSOCIATES AND HIS SECRETARY: Having now had a chance to read your letter to Judge Waldrip, I recommend your attention to the punctuation stylings of Messrs. Strunck and White or, failing access to that small book, to those found in the Chicago Manual of Style. Please also note the correct spelling of non sequitur, not non-sequitor [sic].

    • Mooser

      You would think the Chief Justice of the Texas Supreme Court knows how to write a legal letter, wouldn’t you. He stepped off the Bench and into the Klown Kar?

      • pronoia

        Lamont is the younger brother of Wallace. But still.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      It’s a losing battle. Truly.

    • Robert Eckert

      And non sequitur should really be in italic font, as it is a Latin expression.

  • Mike Leopold

    It really is quite crazy; Scientology arguing that harassment and invasion of privacy is Constitutionally protected “speech”, and additionally, as this behavior is proscribed in their “scripture” it is a form of “religious expression”.

    This goes way beyond “putting lipstick on a pig” They’re giving it Botox and a boob job.

    • Mooser

      “They’re giving it Botox and a boob job.”

      And bringing her home to meet the folks, and later, on the front porch swing, slipping a ring on her trotter. And then get married in white.

      • Mike Leopold

        Sounds like a typical Scn wedding, at that.

        • Mooser

          “It was a Scientology Wedding,
          And the OT’s wished them well…”

          • Walter Mitty

            It was a Scientology wedding,
            and the OT´s wished them well
            You could see that Pierre
            did truly love the OT mademoiselle
            And now the young clear monsieur
            and madame have rung the Scientology chapel bell,
            “C’est la vie”, say the old folks,
            it goes to show you Ron can always tell

            They furnished off an apartment
            with a two room RPF sale
            The coolerator was crammed
            with beans, rice and ginger ale,
            But when Pierre found ideal org work,
            the 50 bucks comin’ worked out well
            “C’est la vie”, say the old folks,
            it goes to show you Ron can always tell

            (with apologies to CHUCK BERRY)

            • Mooser

              I like it, you picked up the ball and put your nose to the grindstone! All we can do now is run it up the flagpole, and see who tries to set it on fire as a constitutionally protected form of free speech!

    • WhereIsSHE

      Yeah, well THEY aren’t calling it “harassment” and/or “invasion of privacy”.
      They are calling it “religious” speech/protest.

      The families who suffer the presence of those Westboro Baptist Church “protests” at the funerals of their loved ones call it harassment, etc, but the Supreme Court said, NO. It’s protected speech.

      THIS is WHY the defendants keep trying to place the focus on the SQUIRREL BUSTER ACTIVITY (which is NOT what MONIQUE RATHBUN based her lawsuit on– very wise move by Ray J).
      Certainly, that SB activity is HISTORICALLY relevant to her Complaint against these defendants, but it is not the BASIS of her case.

      It’s really HARD to describe/call the non-public/non-protest activities which the defendants engaged in once the Rathbuns moved to Comal County, TX “religious” (or otherwise, “free”) SPEECH/PROTEST.

      They are doing their darndest to MISDIRECT the court’s attention, but it looks like an outright LOSER to me.

  • DamOTclese2

    What the Xenu, Kirstie Alley? Have you no shame? (Refresh for image.)

    • WhereIsSHE

      I think we all know the answer to that!
      “No Shame” is Kirstie’s MIDDLE NAME!

    • Jgg2012

      She’s lost weight.

  • DamOTclese2

    Scientists have discovered why Scientology’s “Bridge To Total Freedom” isn’t working.

  • Davrosdeth

    A postcard has just arrived by carrier-parrot! (Hopefully images show, first post here!) Text transcribed as the crayon had smudged:

    Avast m’hearties!
    Tis I! Mr. Captain. Mustsavage. Blackheart. Scientology’s… eh-greasyasstickle(?)* leader and, notwithstanding, lest we forget, supreme roolah (excluding Texas) of the most ethical, and  furthermore, unflubbable spiritual pirates on the 7 billion seas of the timetrack, and, as if that wasn’t enough, the only person (including LRH himself!) to facilitate bridge delivery exactly as LRH intended!!!         
    Writing to let you know I won’t be able to pop in for a chat any time soon as my elite spiritual crew and I have just set sail on a highly religious, worldwide expedition, to hunt down the remaining whales and harvest their bounty; furthermore to thoroughly (and religiously) club any still conscious seals we encounter along the way.

    The attached map is for the Jefferson brothers, starting point is the spot we had that lovely picnic in Hemmet last year. Your retainers and generous Blackheart bonus are in the pictured chest, buried at the kings (me) X 

    Much hate.         

    Blackheart

    *please excuse spelling, struggling as i recently had to send Lou to the Brigg when I found out about those unauthorised pottymouth messages she sent to my good buddy Tommy! [img]http://i.imgur.com/nMo9OoZ.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/1PCJ7iV.jpg[/img]

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hello. Making quite a splash here, you are, on your first day…

    • Walter Mitty

      Great first post. (picture – refresh)

      • Davrosdeth

        Thanks for the warm welcome :) long time lurker, thought it was about time I joined in!

        • MaxSpaceman

          So cool! Davrosdeth- you rock !!

  • Tony Ortega

    Another update: We have a copy of the motion to quash filed by Lamont Jefferson as Scientology’s attorneys make yet another attempt to stave off the deposition of David Miscavige.

    • pronoia

      It seems to say that we don’t have to show and therefore we won’t?!?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        He doesn’t know where Texas is and it’s out of his way.

        • Silence of the Clams

          well, they’ve never done any business there so what do you expect?

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Texas doesn’t exist.

            • Mooser

              What on earth will Scientology claim next? Extraterritoriality? Miscavige won’t come from his Sovereign State of Scientology to give a deposition until a proper treaty is negotiated, between the two countries. Oh, first condition, no depositions.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Next? He’ll succeed and claim Clearwater as his own country.

            • Mooser

              “He’ll succeed and claim Clearwater as his own country.”

              Ah yes, the louse that bored.

            • DamOTclese2

              Well, the Vatican does it, so David wants to also. :)

            • DamOTclese2

              We all wish that Texas did not exist. :) Nobody lives in Texas.

      • Robert Eckert

        Repost of my answer to Poland about what this thing is and why it says so little:

        Texas has a peculiar rule that if a motion to quash is filed quickly enough, the moving party does not need to demand a time-slot for hearing the motion to quash, and get a ruling from the judge that their motion to quash is granted: if the other party (the side issuing the subpoena or Notice of Deposition; Mosey’s side in this case) does not file for a hearing time, the subpoena or Notice is automatically stayed.

        However, if a hearing is set (and we can be 100% sure Ray will demand a hearing on this), the burden of proof is still on the moving party’s side: it is up to Lamont to show reasons why the deposition should be quashed, not up to Ray to show why the deposition should go forward. Last time this came up, when Scientology filed quick motions to quash the subpoenas to Tommy Davis and Leah Remini, it was inaccurately described that there was an “automatic quash” and that Ray would be “moving to reinstate”; Tony put it that way to emphasize that there hadn’t been any ruling by Waldrip that Davis and Remini depositions were off, but it caused some confusion.

        To sum up: the motion to quash doesn’t say much of anything, in terms of why Lamont thinks the deposition should be put off or cancelled, because he doesn’t have to say anything to get an automatic stay. However, if Ray asks for a prompt hearing on the motion to quash, as we certainly expect him to, it is Lamont’s burden to come up with reasons.

        • pronoia

          How many times does Lamont get to argue that the capt should not be deposed due to the 1st amendment? Didn’t Waldrip already say he didn’t want to hear the same old same old anymore?

    • Cat Daddy

      David is afraid that he comes up short.

    • 1subgenius

      My bet is its going to the US Supreme Court. “14th Amendment.”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It doesn’t even say which clause or section, although I think we can rule out anything having to do with slaves.

        • MaxSpaceman

          A shame, considering individuals on the RPF and the RPF’s RPF.

      • Eclipse-girl

        The US supreme ct gets to choose the cases it wants. Lets hope it passes on this,

        • 1subgenius

          It will, but it won’t be tomorrow, so they will get what they are looking for.

    • NOLAGirl

      That’s it?? That’s all that gaggle of lawyers could come up with??

      My head hurts.

      • Imelda Marcos

        Maybe they prefer to be called a “giggle” of lawyers.

        • NOLAGirl

          That would certainly be more appropriate after the past few weeks.

        • pronoia

          More like a gorgon of lawyers.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Gargle of lawyers? They should be expert at rinse and repeat by now.

          • Midwest Mom

            A gangrene of lawyers?

    • Zana

      Don’t you think the judge is getting suspicious by how desperate they are to keep David Miscavige out of deposition? Their desperation smells like they are covering something up, and therefore like he should ABSOLUTELY be deposed.

  • ze moo

    After looking at CO$ and their pleadings, I have come to one conclusion

    http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/fun/Brewster/

  • El Con Blubbard

    On Comal County Texas Court Website – you can look up David Miscavige and follow the filings in the Monique Rathbun lawsuit against Miscavige/ Church of Scientology for harassing her.
    This is the latest: 1/9/2014 – Motion to Quash. 1/9/2014 – Notice of Hearing. 1/10/2014 – Notice of Hearing. 1/10/2014 – Letter. 1/10/2014 – Motion to Quash.

    1-22-2014 – Motion for Sanctions – (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer – Waldrip, Dib).

    Does this mean that Judge Waldrip is going to sanction the liars, Tommy Davis, Allen Cartwright and McShane for lying under oath.

    Anyone know what is happening?

    • Tony Ortega

      I’ve already written about the motion for sanctions. Also, the docket can be delayed and some things have even been removed, so it may be less helpful than you imagine.

      • El Con Blubbard

        So the court records may not be correct and can change w/o notice?

        • Robert Eckert

          The court records are correct about what has been filed so far, and about their intentions for hearings to come. The schedule for a hearing won’t be changed without notice to the lawyers involved, but word of that may not reach the Bunker instantaneously. Dearly though TonyO is beloved, Ray Jeffrey does have other things to do than call him up at once.

        • Tony Ortega

          Welcome to court 101. For example, for quite a while there was a hearing listed on the docket and then it suddenly disappeared. What happened? Turned out it was a mistake and was taken back off. Also, just because an item appears on a date, that doesn’t mean it was submitted on that date. So yes, there is some information you can get from that docket, but every single actual important action in this lawsuit so far has come from the hearings or from the attorneys involved, and we’ve brought it to you before anyone else.

          • Mooser

            ….brought it to you before anyone else.”

            And in easily understood contexts, and in a clear style which is enjoyable to read, and has just the right touch for the subject, whether it’s an article filling in hysterical background or reporting on court hearings. If you’ll excuse me for saying so.

    • Davka

      All it means is that a hearing on Mosey’s request for sanctions will be heard/argued before Judge Waldrip on 1/24, after which he can make a ruling on the merits.

      • El Con Blubbard

        I think the date is 1/22/14 – according to the court records. Is the Anti-Slapp motion a separate hearing?

        If Waldrip was going to rule in favor of the Anti-Slapp motion and this case was done, there would be no hearing for the sanctions against the liars that lied! It is a bit confusing to me…too much SLAPPING! lol

        • Davka

          Cross motions in complex litigation are confusing – I can’t claim to keep track, but the anti-SLAAP motion is not yet fully argued, pending a ruling about whether Ray J. Can have more discovery. That is pending.

  • Midwest Mom

    In a shocking twist in the court’s proceedings, reminiscent of the end of a Scooby Doo Mystery, Church of Scientology International’s attorney Ricardo Cedillo presented a power point presentation made with the assistance of Barbara Schwartz which showed once and for all that Mosey’s husband is NOT Marty Rathbun, but . . . an impostor!

    Bump Bum Bum. . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Ruh Roh!.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Just spit out pizza onto printer tray. Brilliant! Why not? Let’s have Barbara deposed. I hear she has a Lot to say.

      • FromPolandWithLove

        THDNE could you explain me in simple words what do Tony’s updates about motion of quash and motion of sanctions, mean? Is it good for case, bad or difficult to say. I need to confirm if I understood it well.

        • Robert Eckert

          He is correcting the mistaken impression that I had (along with others who either got it from me or mistook the situation independently) that we could expect more exciting live updates from court today. Papers were filed today, but the judge might take several days to rule. Next live hearing is the 22nd, on the motion for sanctions.

          • FromPolandWithLove

            Thank You Robert for your explanation.:):):)

          • Mooser

            Since Scientology is pretty obviously ready to take advantage of the slightest inattention or momentary lapse on the Judge’s part, I hope he takes all the time he needs.
            And what a pair, together again for the first time! I mean the Jefferson brothers, Lamont and Wallace.

            • FromPolandWithLove

              Let’s hope that their performance in court would be like Flip&Flap movie…

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          What Robert said. I am So the wrong person to ask about any of these legal quagmires.

          • FromPolandWithLove

            THDNE thank You.:):):) I have learnt new word “quagmires”. I like it :)

        • Davka

          Motion for sanctions = asking the judge to agree that COS conduct is egregious with regard to discovery and other related matters in the case.

          Motion to quash (haven’t read this yet, but this is what I assume) = asking the judge to “quash”, meaning to void or nullify, the subpoena requiring DM to appear at a deposition.

          • FromPolandWithLove

            Thank You, now I have more clear view. :):):)

          • Robert Eckert

            Texas has a peculiar rule that if a motion to quash is filed quickly enough, the moving party does not need to demand a time-slot for hearing the motion to quash, and get a ruling from the judge that their motion to quash is granted: if the other party (the side issuing the subpoena or Notice of Deposition; Mosey’s side in this case) does not file for a hearing time, the subpoena or Notice is automatically stayed.

            However, if a hearing is set (and we can be 100% sure Ray will demand a hearing on this), the burden of proof is still on the moving party’s side: it is up to Lamont to show reasons why the deposition should be quashed, not up to Ray to show why the deposition should go forward. Last time this came up, when Scientology filed quick motions to quash the subpoenas to Tommy Davis and Leah Remini, it was inaccurately described that there was an “automatic quash” and that Ray would be “moving to reinstate”; Tony put it that way to emphasize that there hadn’t been any ruling by Waldrip that Davis and Remini depositions were off, but it caused some confusion.

            To sum up: the motion to quash doesn’t say much of anything, in terms of why Lamont thinks the deposition should be put off or cancelled, because he doesn’t have to say anything to get an automatic stay. However, if Ray asks for a prompt hearing on the motion to quash, as we certainly expect him to, it is Lamont’s burden to come up with reasons.

            • Elar Aitch

              Timely and invaluable, once again Robert

            • FromPolandWithLove

              Thanks , very useful info. Some of us need kind of “U.S. civil law guide”

            • Kitz

              Some of us who live in the U.S. need the same. :-)

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Thanks………..Now I just pictured that poor judge listening to a diatribe from Babz!

    • Mooser

      Marty Rathbun- “Martin Luther” or International Man of Mystery?

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      there goes another keyboard!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Ya know…………I have been good lately. And really freaking busy………….and so tonight I decided to dig into a nice bottle of Moscato………and now I have lost several precious ounces!!!!

    • OrangySky

      Choking on my tea. MWM you should write for The Daily Show.

      • Midwest Mom

        I accept!

    • DamOTclese2

      Barbara Schwartz — good fucking gods, no, please… please don’t invoke her name! She’ll show up here if her name is spoken aloud three times.

  • mook

    Belgium might take the cult to court
    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=296930

    • Robert Eckert

      They are planning to spend four weeks on a hearing about whether to proceed with a case that started in 1997. Mustn’t act too hastily…

      • Great White Clam

        Nothing that a little palm-oil won’t fix.

  • Vic

    Have they isolated who’s the Third Party?

  • El Con Blubbard

    By the way – Ex Scientology message board has been down all afternoon. Anyone have a way to notify them?

    • Deeana

      Thanks for posting this. I thought it was just me!
      I know there are members there who correspond with Emma by private email, so I would assume she knows about the problem.
      Nothing worse than when a favorite message board goes offline!

      • Great White Clam

        Tory probably knows. She might show up here if ESMB is down!

    • AnyOldName1

      Did Cap’n Blackheart DOS attack the ESMB?

      • AnyOldName1

        Something I said or is Debbie Downvoter back?

    • Watergate

      It’s back up now.

  • stillgrace2

    In my humble layman’s opinion, this latest motion is just delaying the inevitable.The deposition will take place.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I don’t see why all this fuss. Here’s how the depo will go:

      Q: What is your name?
      A: What do you mean by that? Religious persecution! That is all.

      The end.

      • stillgrace2

        or …

        Q: What is your name?
        A: Pope BlackHeart the First

        If he answers with the same obfuscation for which he’s famous, Waldrip will see through it in a nanosecond.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Going for the insanity defense?

          • stillgrace2

            Don’t his many lawyers wish …

          • Miss Tia

            David Miscavige Hospital for the Criminally Insane!

        • Jenstnick

          Reminds me of Turd Ferguson from snl

      • Captain Howdy

        Q. What is your name?
        A. Puddin’ Tame, ask me again and I’ll tell you the same.

      • Ruby

        Q. What is your name?
        A. No, my name is not What.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Exactly!

          • stillgrace2

            On a serious note, who is BH going to turn to for help with his deposition? Especially since BH is convinced he knows best about everything? No worries on this one!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              300 page answer to what’s your role/title, 299 1/2 pages of “Objection”

        • Elar Aitch

          So Diminutive Miss’ pre depo preparation will be viewings of Abbott and Costello?

        • Miss Tia

          Who’s on first?

      • http://www.kongbomb.com/ Kong

        Or…

        Q: What is your name?
        A: *Looks over towards a woman in the room holding a Blackberry *
        Woman: *reading from her Blackberry* You are speaking with David Miscavige. Ecclesiastical head of the Church of Scientology.

      • Walter Mitty
      • DamOTclese2

        “State your name for the record.”

        “On advice of my council I have been instructed to refrain from answering questions under my Fifth Amendment rights…”

        David is going to have to learn the phrase soon enough.

  • vistaril_LOL

    Depo Day:

    Your Honor, Pope Miscavige was called away to fight the Macaroon/macarena empire ( or whatever the fuck they are called)

    • Cat Daddy

      According to Church of Scientology doctrine, Helatrobus was an “interplanetary nation”, now extinct, which existed trillions of years ago.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helatrobus

    • Watergate

      Markabian empire.

      • Cat Daddy

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcab_Confederacy

        According to the beliefs of the Church of Scientology, the Marcab Confederacy is said to be one of the most powerful galactic civilizations still active. Church founder L. Ron Hubbard describes it as:

        Various planets united into a very vast civilization which has come
        forward up through the last 200,000 years, formed out of the fragments
        of earlier civilizations. In the last 10,000 years they have gone on
        with a sort of decadent kicked-in-the-head civilization that contains
        automobiles, business suits, fedora hats, telephones, spaceships — a
        civilization which looks almost an exact duplicate but is worse off than
        the current US civilization.[1][2]

        The capital of the Confederacy is said to be “one of the tail stars of the Big Dipper”, probably Alkaid, a star 108 light years distant from Earth. The Marcabians used to rule Earth at some point in the past but lost control of it due to “losses in war and other things”.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          (laughing) Thanks, Cat Daddy. We wouldn’t want to get these Facts wrong.

          • Cat Daddy

            Are you a Wiki person ? I need one to change the Study Tech wiki because Hubbard stole that too

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              No, I have no religious affiliations at all. heh

            • Cat Daddy
            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I’m not a Wiki person, but Dave Touretsky’s coverage of Study Tech should help you. I don’t see that AS is a corporation as laid out in that reference.

              http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/StudyTech/

            • Cat Daddy

              Thanks, gonna find me a Wiki person somewhere who will change the Wiki so it say Hubbard stoll it from the Brennans and than kicked them out.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oh, I see what you’re asking. This should definitely be included!

            • Cat Daddy

              https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/scientology-org-timetrack.114452/#post-2374463

              “One of the most difficult things to do is report accurately.

              For example: I and several other Scio’s had dinner with Chuck and Ava
              Berner at the Forrest Row Hotel, it was June 1964, the night before
              Chuck and Ava were to meet with LRH to go over this new discovery they
              made to do with study.

              We were all enthralled with what they had discovered.

              Imagine the shock we had when LRH told us in a the lecture that night
              that he had made a momentous discovery in the field of study.

              The data he gave was almost word for word with what the Berner’s had discussed with us the previous night.

              There was no mention of the Berner’s who were in the audience.

              They were devastated.

              What made me sick was I made LRH right to do this……I did not support the Berner’s…..I simply went elsewhere.

              I put my own survival above my honor……what a price I was to pay for that.

              Not only me but all of us…….for I believe that is the moment that LRH went to the dark-side.

              That was also the last real lecture on GPM’s. It ended mid lecture
              -abruptly – then he flipped and began to talk about the study tech.

              I realize LRH was dichotomous, but so are we all….that is what the GPM Tech was supposed to handle.

              Alan”

            • Mooser

              “I realize LRH was dichotomous,”

              Awww, there’s a friend, what a nice way of saying it.!!

            • DamOTclese2

              Hubbard was so unbalanced he should have had some of those tire weights thingies hammered in to his head.

            • Cat Daddy

              Scientology’s word for Shizo

            • Robert Eckert

              No, that is not “the moment that LRH went to the dark-side.” Some people are just born that way.

        • Sherbet

          Somebody got kicked in the head, all right.

        • Imelda Marcos

          “Various planets united into a very vast civilization” Oh, come ON, that’s not vague at all; you can do better, LRon!

    • Great White Clam

      Put a fedora on your avatar vistaril!

    • vistaril_LOL

      wacka-doovian confederacy!

  • Troy MacGyver

    I only mage it that far,too. One big stinkin’ pile of Xenu.

  • vistaril_LOL

    so it will be a one day depo at Lamont’s office when it happens?

    • Mr. Sovereign

      looks like the trolls targeting you specifically (down votes) vistaril……

  • Jgg2012

    I think Lamont may have Compulvie Lying Disorder. Either that or his client does.

    • Cat Daddy

      All Church Scientologists have that problem

      • Missionary Kid

        The biggest lie is the one they’ve been told, and they tell each other: that $cientology is here to save the planet.

  • http://www.kongbomb.com/ Kong

    Can someone more familiar with legalese please explain the page titled “prayer” in the motion to Quash. Is that some kind of court jargon?

    • stillgrace2

      I just figured it was ecclesiastical desperation.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I read it as sooper seekrit lawyer code: “We don’t have a Prayer with this client. Please make the screaming stop. Thanks a lot.”

        • DamOTclese2

          :) Or praying that the dwarf will continue to try to delay the inevitable for as long as possible so that the lawyer money never stops.

      • Just Dee

        lol I like that description.

    • Sunny Sands

      A prayer is a request. It’s a legal term.

      • http://www.kongbomb.com/ Kong

        Much appreciated!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Let me expound on that………..it is a legal term that means…….I PRAY you are going to listen to my prayer…………..cuz none of my other shit is working so far.
        No, seriously!

    • Just Dee

      I was curious about this also. Is it some legal term or some kind of not so subtle reminder to the judge that they think they are a church??

    • Midwest Mom

      It was supposed to read: “Beat, Prey, Shove”. A memoir of a tiny tyrant’s search for critics, apostates and fringe bloggers by stalking, videotaping and harassing them wherever they go on the planet.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist
        • Observer

          This one made me laugh out loud!

          • Snippy_X

            Obs, I had so much fun at your shoop collection today. They are all totally fricken hilarious. They need to go in the Bunker time capsule.

        • OrangySky

          Brilliant!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            The cookbook came from WWP, I think DeathHamster.

      • DamOTclese2

        :) Today’s winning comment. :) Beat, Prey, Shove. :)

    • t1kk

      It’s old-timey jargon meaning “request.” In context, it’s usually “prayer for relief,” which is just a summation of what you’re asking the court to do for you.

    • Robert Eckert

      Legalese is often frozen language from centuries back. The verb “to pray” used to be the ordinary word for “to ask”; the only reason we think it is a specifically religious term is because churchspeak is also often frozen from the same time.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Okay… I was expecting more entertainment this morning, and after a bit of a look for info (in between folding washing) I cannot find anything. Anyone willing to give a recap of anything important/interesting that came from today’s day in court if there was anything?

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      EO, you didn’t miss anything as there was no day in court–just some more paper pushing. It’s in the judge’s lap at the moment.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Okay… thanks. Saves me looking through all the comments.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Robert or WIS, please correct me if I am wrong: The little guy’s depo is to be taken for discovery only regarding the special appearance issue. Once that issue is resolved, there is more discovery to be taken for the major case at hand–more depositions from him and even the breaking out of a nice, thick telephone book for him to sit on whilst on the stand. As I understand it, he can be subpenaed anyway in the main case (even if he is dismissed as a defendant, unlikely, but) just about his knowledge of how these types of operations work based on all of those text messages from Rinder.

    • Robert Eckert

      You are correct. The deposition currently scheduled for January 29 (automatically stayed by the Motion to Quash filed today by Lamont, unless Ray schedules a hearing before then on the Motion to Quash, as surely he will) is limited to the question of whether Texas has personal jurisdiction over him. That can be established either by “general” jurisdiction if he has a history of multiple contacts with Texas or “specific” jurisdiction if he is shown to have connection to the actions in Texas in this case.

      The “case in chief” as it is sometimes called (or “the merits of the case”, what you get to after preliminary discussions of whether there is a case at all and who are the proper parties to the case) has not even begun to be argued. I had not thought of calling him as a non-party witness if jurisdiction over him fails, but note in such a case: it would have to be by subpoena rather than Notice of Deposition; the Notice can just be served on the attorney of record, even by e-mail; a subpoena requires tagging him personally with the piece of paper, something he has gotten quite skilled at ducking.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        At a minimum, we KNOW Laurisse is going to disappear regardless of what happens with all of these other motions.

  • guest

    What happened in Texas court today (Friday)?

    • EnthralledObserver

      See PreferToBeAnon2’s response to me down a few… no day in court today.

      • guest

        Thanks.

  • NOLAGirl

    Off topic, but could someone tell me if this website I came across is Crazy Town or what?? This is some bizarre stuff here. Who is this person?? http://barbaraschwarz.wordpress.com/

    Who knew we were an angry mob? LOL :D I didn’t get my torch or my pitchfork.

    • Rita Gregory

      Crazy Town it is!

      • NOLAGirl

        Yeah, I’m thinking of removing the link just because it’s so nuts. I was just wondering who that person is. I’ve never heard or read that name…but wow, that’s some rubber room stuff there.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Don’t worry about it…Most of us know her well.

      • Snippy_X

        I am always amazed when someone runs across her again. Somehow I imagine she has long since spontaneously stopped functioning altogether, but she just keeps going and going. How many i <3 marty toaster cozies has she knitted by now?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Somehow I always imagine she has long since spontaneously combusted.

        • DamOTclese2

          What, you mean there aren’t secret underwater Nazi air bases under the Great Salt Lake? :)

          • Snippy_X

            Everyone knows those are commanded by the Venus Garudas. Jeese.

            • DamOTclese2

              Oh, yeah, the green skin was a dead give-away, yeah.

      • Miss Tia

        Rather go to FUNKY TOWN! :)

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      That is Babz. She is harmless, but nuts. Yeah, it is crazytown. Enjoy. Don’t go to deep without an oxygen tank and snacks.

      • OrangySky

        Isn’t she the one in love with the “real” Marty Rathbun?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Yep. Not “Moseys” Marty.
          And she is Sarah……..The real Marty’s real wife.

          Oy vey!

          • DamOTclese2

            Maybe she’s Tom Cruise’s “even more crazy” sister. :)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Must do probability calculation. I will get back to you.

      • NOLAGirl

        LOL Thanks Bury. First time I’ve seen that. WOW!!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          bookmark it. If you ever get bored, and/or depressed. this is the spot to go.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I strongly advise only wading in the shallow end. The crazy is deep enough in the legal dramarama already. Don’t hurt yourself!

          • DamOTclese2

            The woman is a bottomless pit of lunacy, yeah.

        • DamOTclese2

          She things there are secret underwater Nazi air bases under the Great Salt Lake, I kid you not. Her local public library was “aware” of her. :) When she posted to alt.religion.scientology way back when, that was. She’s harmless.

          • NOLAGirl

            I hope the poor thing gets the help she so obviously needs.

    • DamOTclese2

      Golly, yes, she was/is a profoundly fucked up Scientology loon but harmless — unless you’re a government agency and have to respond to FOIA requests, then she’s a bitch on wheels. She was Judicially recognized as being banned from having her loon FOIA requests fulfilled since she was abusing the law.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Oh yeah……..Didn’t she file more FOIA requests than anyone….like ever?

        • DamOTclese2

          She was yes, she beat everyone else’s record, even exceeded Klan asshole David Duke’s number of FOIA requests, and Babs filed requests with literally every agency she could think of. She was the first to be banned as well from making FOIA but there have been a few others that came after her that got banned.

          The insane woman thought there were underwater Nazi air bases under Salt Lake in Utah.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            As a former Utahn…………….she may be right ;-)

            • DamOTclese2

              LOL! Well, the Mormons are trying to implement the Fourth Reich but their numbers are dropping as well. :)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I lived in Southern Utah…….the lack of diversity THERE was exponential!!!!

          • Mooser

            She’s very suspicious of Germany, still. She doesn’t trust them to destroy Syria’s Chemical Weapons.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              And she is German.

            • DamOTclese2

              I saw that. :) Good gods, she still has the hots for a fictional Marty. She never got the mental care she needed yet I’m surprised she has not been locked up, somewhat.

            • DamOTclese2

              We are all suspicious of Germany. :) I still don’t trust them after they invaded Poland.

            • Mooser

              It is, indubitably, something to keep in mind. We can’t forget about Poland. Don’t forget Poland!

            • DamOTclese2

              Not to love the Fuhrer is a big mistake!

      • Mooser

        She’s the Miss Havisham of Scientology.

        • DamOTclese2

          She’s L. Ron Hubbard’s daughter… Well in her own festered brain she is. :)

          • Mooser

            And don’t forget, LRH was “impostered” (good coinage, Babs!) by a “Jack Vistaril”!

            “Impostered” as in, “When I heard the doppelganger effect, I knew I’d been impostered.”

            • DamOTclese2

              Oh yeah! Barbara Schwartz really was the loon to the point where keeping up with all of her nonsense is hard.

              It is said that if you say her name three times aloud, she will appear.

        • Mooser

          Oh, come on! What’s a metaphor, if you can’t stretch it?

    • Sherbet

      Maybe she’s harmless, but, if I were Monique, I’d be alarmed. She makes my skin crawl.

    • Captain Howdy

      Babs is Fabs in my book. I’m one of the few people she ever replied to on her site. It’s my greatest sciloon related achievement to date!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Really?! That is really somethin’, Cap’n. I can’t even imagine.

        • Captain Howdy

          If you want an autograph just let me know ; )

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Is it in ink or….? No no never mind. Ewww tks anyway.

      • DamOTclese2

        Be careful, she may start thinking you’re “the real Marty.” :)

        • NOLAGirl

          Next up: An ILoveMyOriginalCaptainHowdy website. :D

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            You poor dear. There’s a whole prep/drill before diving down to the Schwarz underbelly. Never go down there unprepared!

            http://youtu.be/9cjM1UZxljU

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        PULEEZ tell me you read the interview that poor Japanese dude did of Babz at her house in SLC?
        Snicker.

        • Captain Howdy

          I think i did. Got a link?

          Did ya know Cyril Vosper “The Mindbenders” grabbed Babs and tried to deprogram her? He was found guilty in Germany of kidnapping and GBH in 1987.

      • Anonymous3000

        Wow, how did you do that? Did you read that? She prefers crazy over stupid.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        She replied almost immediately when I asked if she had found the *real* Marty Rathbun. I mean it was scary quick, like 25 seconds later. She writes to him in prison.

        • Captain Howdy

          It was an impostor!

          Probably a SMERSH agent.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Oh no I have been tricked.

    • Freethinker

      I took a look over there. Whoa! She seems so mentally disturbed, I’ll bet that even fellow Scilons don’t want anything to do with her.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Ironically, she used to be one………….and yes……….even they admitted “she” was CRAYCRAY.
        Lesson? Scientology will use mental illness to their advantage whenever they feel like it.

        • NOLAGirl

          A whole blog post about how not even Tony Ortega and his “kool-aid drinkers” can see what her and the “real Marty” can see with their OT powers. Triple WOW!

          • Snippy_X

            Well maybe she can’t see what we can see because she doesn’t have the bunker implant. Stupid bitch. (oops, shouldn’t say bitch.)

        • Freethinker

          Hmmm. I’m going to have to delve into this some more. Finding loons on the Internet is a little hobby of mine.

          • DamOTclese2

            The guy’s name was something like Koos Niles Trent. Murdered a family member, got locked up for a short period of time, was let back out for some reason.

          • Ardent

            Join the club! Loon-hunting is quite delightful! Nice to meet you, by the way.

          • DamOTclese2

            This is it: Koos Nolst Trenite — I got the name almost correct, Koos Nolst Trenite is the correct name.

            http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/koos-scn-resp.htm

            • Freethinker

              Thanks for this! I remember Koos from the a.r.s. days. Tragic, so tragic.

        • Captain Howdy

          Do you remember the German scientology dude who was using his bathtub to RPF/overboard his wife and teenage kids and he drown one of his daughters? He showed up on the VV one day talking all kinds of insane shit.

          • DamOTclese2

            Koos Niles Trent, I believe it was.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’m too lazy today to look it up. They kicked this clown loose after like a year and a half in the hospital. You can eat somebody in Europe and not even do 5 years, WTF?

            • DamOTclese2

              We never got the full details of the murder, nor did we ever get any good details on why he was released from the ward where he was locked up. My own suspicion is that the drowning was a quasi-murder on the order of a deliberate act but mitigated by the Scientology belief that the dead person is “not really dead.”

              Whatever the reasons for his release, I have to wonder why their justice system apparently found he did not constitute further danger to others. He certainly is insane enough to warrant being locked up, it seems just to judge from his a.r.s postings.

            • Mooser

              “You can eat somebody in Europe and not even do 5 years, WTF?”

              All they care about is which wine to have with the liver.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Ok, not to be rude……..but there are priorities!

            • Mooser

              Sorry, my brain slipped a bit. Won’t happen again. I’ll stay within the bounds of priority. Order is important.

            • Jenstnick

              I believe It is supposed to be served with a fine chianti

            • DamOTclese2

              Yeah, if you eat somebody with red wine, that’s a 10-year sentence in France. Everybody knows you serve white wine with human meat.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            OMG……………..no………..and I am so glad i missed it.!

            • DamOTclese2

              That was Koos Niles Trent, he drowned a family member, it took a while for him to be remanded in to custody, and after being gone for a few years he suddenly showed up in a.r.s once again and everyone assumed that the mental ward or prison facility he was locked up in had Internet access.

              It turned out that for some reason he was released, we never got details on the murder or why he was released. It might not have been outright murder, it might have been manslaughter if the insane loon’s defense was that the murdered family member “was not really dead” in keeping with the lunacy of the guy’s Scientology programming.

              Would be interesting to find out what really happened.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Usually is. I gotta give em credit. They aren’t original…….yet still convincing………Why?

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks

          • DamOTclese2

            Koos Nolst Trenite — I got the name almost correct, Koos Nolst Trenite is the correct name.

            http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/koos-scn-resp.htm

          • Seannie5

            WTF!

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            Cap’n, seriously? I don’t remember that one. Damn–once again I can’t make out if this story is real or someone’s memorex from a whole track.

          • Andrew Robertson

            That was Koos Nolst Trenite whom Tony banned from VV according to Koos himself on a post to a.r.s..

            The tragic deaths of his two daughters, Freya and Flavia were investigated by the German courts but he not prosecuted on the grounds of insanity.

            Scientology was to blame for warping his mind.

            http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/koos-scn-resp.htm

            Andrew

      • DamOTclese2

        She even had Helena Kobrin — an equally insane loon — comment on Bab’s amusing conspiracy loon notions. Babs was interviewed, believe it or not, for a newspaper and the Scientology crime syndicate has little choice but to chime in about her. :) That was lulz.

      • Anonymous3000

        She ain’t a DM fan.

    • Great White Clam
    • grundoon

      Barbara Schwarz truly was the President of the Church of Scientology of Germany from August 3, 1983 until July 10, 1984.

      Her Wikipedia page was deleted but someone saved a copy here.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I don’t know whether to be honored or genuinely frightened that she copied my Marty Luther shoop and commented on it…

  • Ka-Pow!

    lol

  • hansje brinker

    I thought the e-meter was a religious device and only used for that……………..

    • Great White Clam

      It’s a religious cloaking device.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Oh my. I just heard certain rhinos in an endangered species group are going to be disappeared because they’re old and cranky. Is it too late to delete my posts?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      ?

      OK, I admit I am none too smart…..but, Huh?
      do i Need to hide in a bunker?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        There’s an endangered species of rhinos; one group wants to save them all, another group says some have to go, selling auction tickets to just shoot ‘em down, because they’re old and cranky. Sounds like me today, old and cranky.

        http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140110-dallas-safari-club-rhino-hunt-auction-death-threats-conservation/

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Oh OK, sounds like me ‘most” days ;-)

          • Ruby

            Right there with ya, sistah!

        • Captain Howdy

          If I was Warren Buffet I’d pay a million each for the opportunity to shoot any of those canned hunting scumbags. It figures they’re in Texas.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            weirdness alright.

        • Jon Hendry

          Figures that it’s Texas.

  • nottrue

    Lamount is quoting from psychiatrys diagnostic manual and Cedillo is able to speak forever without taking a breath.Why does this make me laugh

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Irony?

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Is Cedillo doing like the Kenny G. thing, or is he taking really short breaths between words or sentences?

      Waaaaay back when, I was making jewelry using an alcohol lamp and a “blowpipe” for soldering. I could breath in through my nose while still maintaining the stream through the blowpipe with the air in my cheeks.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Yeah, but could you sing and play the flute at the same time too?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Only if he was working with pure copper.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I was thinking he could do an American Idol or The Voice with an act like that.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Yea, but I’d eventually wind up in a pickle…

        • Snippy_X

          Weird, Mr_X is on phone to me listening to flutist playing and singing. It’s really good.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Woh, twilight zone moment. It really is quite a skill.

            • Snippy_X

              Yeah – its beautiful. Enya – ish

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Gorgeous far far away sound. tks Hey, a major artist convention same time as CES convention? That’s gotta be tough.

            • Snippy_X

              Wow – hope this isnt tmi, but here’s the artist he was sitting 2 feet from just now. She is playing one of my fav slow tunes – the boatman -on a glass flute. He is at a huge music convention with 360 booths for 15 min showcases for musicians and artists from around the world. I got to hear it on my cheap ass phone 1200 miles downstream. Got kinda blown away. :)
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99OipkjYp6k

      • Ruby

        hahaha…on your edit.

      • grundoon

        making jewelry … uh huh …

      • MO Mom

        I think they call that circular breathing or something like that…

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          I think so! I had to learn it because if not, the pause in the flame let it cool off too much.

    • DamOTclese2

      Cedillo is totally hyped up on acid, or something.

  • DamOTclese2

    Judge Waldrip: State your name for the record, please?
    David Miscavige: That depends.
    JW: Beg your pardon?
    DM: I don’t know the meaning of your question.
    JW: What is your name?
    DM: I don’t think so, no.
    JW: What?
    DM: That’s not correct, your honor.
    JW: Mr. Miscavige, I must warn you if you do not answer my questions you will be held in contempt.
    DM: I’m sorry your honor, I did not understand the question.
    JW: For the record, what is your name.
    DM: No sir, my name is not What, it’s David. David Miscavige.
    JW: Mr., Miscavige, are we going to dance like this all day?
    DM: That depends.
    JW: What do you mean by that?
    DM: Sir, what do you mean by “meaning?”

    Deposing a violently insane sociopath is filled with lulz, more so when the loon is constantly thinking about public buggering and has to slap himself from time to time to remain focused on refusing to answer all questions while avoiding being held in contempt.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Just heard Anderson Cooper saying his staff all took the Real Oxford personality text (psychopath test) when he had James Fallon on the show. Since DM’s lawyers opened the psychiatric diagnosis door, maybe he should have to take the test before the deposition?

      http://psychopath.channel4.com/quizzes.html

      • Captain Howdy

        I scored a 55 and the description was pretty accurate

        • Miss Tia

          I only got 21% :(

          • Captain Howdy

            You guys suck as psychopaths.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thank goodness they do.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I got 18% what do I win? I was laughing at the questions because only a psychopath would answer every one completely honestly and not think the questions were alarming! So 55 means your balanced, right?

            • Captain Howdy

              Balanced like a crocodile!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              We pushovers need our crocodiles, that’s for damn sure.

            • Miss Tia

              I know!!! I feel like such a loser :(

          • Observer

            Me too. :-(

            • NOLAGirl

              Same here.

            • Miss Tia

              See my comment above to Observer! We can all be non-psychopathetic in a corner together! :)

            • NOLAGirl

              I’m there with you. Save me a pillow. :)

            • Miss Tia

              yes ma’am!

            • Miss Tia

              Hey you, me and NOLAGirl can be non-psychopathic over in a corner together! :D

        • Rita Gregory

          36%.

          • Robert Eckert

            You tied me.

        • Ruby

          30%

        • Sherbet

          Now I’m afraid of you.

          • Captain Howdy

            Hey! Let’s get E to try it. He hates everything!

            • NOLAGirl

              I like this idea. :)

            • Sherbet

              Where is he when you need him??

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          48, but I copied most of my answers from the person next to me.

          • Sherbet

            Was Tommy Davis sitting next to you?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              At least the feedback said I have a healthy conscience. Good enough for a half-psycho like me.

            • Sherbet

              So you can go psycho and then feel guilty. Sounds like a good balance, Jimmy.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Sounds more like something to not take very seriously :)

            • Sherbet

              Like any of the stuff lrh wrote.

        • MaxSpaceman

          24%
          peacenik

          • Robert Eckert

            Thidney, Tia, Nola, and Obsie edged you.

            • Miss Tia

              Max is more than welcome to come sit in our little corner with us! We’ll have crafts and caek! :)

            • NOLAGirl

              Friendship bracelets!!! :D

            • Miss Tia

              Uh could I cross stitch something? I tried to make a friendship bracelet once and it was a huge knot! :D I suck at crafts except cross stitch, coloring, GLITTER & glue, uh….oh, CLAY DEMOS! :)

            • NOLAGirl

              Bahahaha!!!!! You take care of the cross stitch, I’ll make the bracelets. Clay Demos are punishment only. LOL

            • MaxSpaceman

              lulz Tia <3 ~

          • noseinabk

            Tied.

          • noseinabk

            Tied.

        • Espiando

          67%. Like that was unexpected.

          • Captain Howdy

            Now we just have to get Bury to take it

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          33%. I would have preferred 33 1/3.

          • Robert Eckert

            Your psychopathy is equally divided among the Douglas, the D., and the Douglas?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I never thought of it that way…

      • Sherbet

        27.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        27%

        • Sherbet

          Me,too! That makes us twins or something.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Probably something. Otherwise my mother would have noticed.

            • Sherbet

              I’d like to see Dork Boy with his $5,000 aphrodisiac emeter take the test. He’d probably score negative 14, because, you know, he’s all in love and lust with the gal who shares his cans. Nothing psychopathic about that.

      • Sibs

        12%. I got a warning telling me that “although you avoid hurting others, those residing at the higher end of
        the psychopathic spectrum might not be as considerate, so stay vigilant
        to avoid being hurt unnecessarily.” O…kay… (hides in corner)

        • Sherbet

          Hey, Sibs….BOOOOO!!! ya big baby.

          • Sibs

            (screams and hides in corner) Waaaaaaaah!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I saw that too, which is why I started praising Cap’n Howdy right away!

        • Observer

          Yep, I got that too.

        • Modesto

          18%

      • EnthralledObserver

        30%

        • Kitz

          That was my score as well.

      • Freethinker

        0%. But I have to say, if you know anything at all about psychopathy, it’s easy to answer these questions the “right” way. I read somewhere that psychotherapy can actually make psychopaths more dangerous, because they learn how to play the “I’m normal” game. Perhaps some day the best way to diagnose psychopathy will be an MRI scan:

        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130724200412.htm

      • Jo

        24%

  • Anonymous3000

    That pirate picture is great. Nobody ever made one on me. What can I do to get in that pic?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      You really want to do this?????

      • Anonymous3000

        Looks like a freaking party to me.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          it is not going to be the one you want.
          But welcome ….right to the egress………..

          Edit:

          come On?

          • DeElizabethan

            LOL, LOL and LOL!
            Saved by Bury’s humor in this, another day of heavy trial and lots of reading.

          • Miss Tia

            Betsy Wetsy realized she spilled some things and deleted some of her comments……poor baby……must have trampled in her garden of socks…..

        • Sandy

          Come on … I sent U money & I am retired. That is so mean. Shame on you.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Yes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Shame.

            By the way, Catfish…….Thank you for returning my money for the babies.
            What is the point for that? Did you think you could scam me for a ever BIGGER bonus later? Seriously. I would love to know the Motive for the “refund”???????????????????

            • Miss Tia

              Trying to lesson the huge convoy of karma debt? nah…..those people have zero conscious….they’re psychopaths and think they’re smarter than everyone…..someday they will REALLY need a friend and/or help, nada, nothing, zip…..and the fake cancer?

              KARMA is real and catfishing is just sucking up all the mud on the bottom to ensure your karma is extra dirty.

            • Robert Eckert

              Possibly for the sake of pleading with a judge for better treatment.

            • Miss Tia

              DING DING DING!!! That’s an excellent motive cuz that serves no one but themselves!

            • Captain Howdy

              You sure it’s Rickie Lee Jonesing for Attention Whore?

            • Rita Gregory

              I know this wasn’t asked of me but, oh hell yes!

            • Robert Eckert

              This post is showing for me with
              -1 ^ -1 v

              That’s unique!

            • Captain Howdy

              They don’t call me “Mr Negative’ for nothing.

            • Miss Tia

              it shows -2/-2 for me now! very unique!

            • Robert Eckert

              It’s moved to -3 ^ -3 v for me.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I saw a post yesterday and knew right away.

            • Sherbet

              Jeez, and here I am, without my Little Orphan Annie decoder ring to figure it out. (Thank goodness there are people who are sharper than I am about, you know, 26ing.)

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              There was a post with a lot of particular details, non sequitur. I wasn’t even looking for it but it just jumped out.

            • Sherbet

              Once burned…

            • MaxSpaceman

              I feel ya’ Sherbie as I’m more like you in perceiving this kind of activity and wish I had my decoder ring.

            • Sherbet

              I don’t know if that makes us kindly or just thick as a brick, Max.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I think that some of us who had more outside interaction recognized some details and recognized it as a sock, that’s all. Also, still like Thick as a Brick.

            • Sherbet

              You’re probably right, TH. Some of you got a lot closer and could pick up on those unique qualities.

            • Ardent

              Great album! I suggest it as background music if you ever get stuck painting a room. Lovely.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Over time I’ve felt it both ways, Sherb. Alas . . .
              (I still want a Little Orphan Annie decoder ring, to help me out in a pinch when I’m just ‘not getting it.’)

            • Rita Gregory

              Just a crummy commercial.

            • MaxSpaceman

              What is Rita? The decoder ring thing? Actually, I’d never heard of it til Sherbie mentioned it. :-o

            • Rita Gregory

              It’s from a Christmas Story, have you seen it?

            • Ardent

              I’m just like you, Sherb. No idea how to spot a 26r. I’m seriously impressed by Howdy and Bury. How they smell out these rats amazes me. I fell for that ersatz ‘priest’ a while ago hook, line and sinker. Oh well.

            • Her_Royal_Blondeness

              Don’t feel bad. I fell for the “priest” too.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              hey…………..got my money back…………dancing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • Captain Howdy

              Hmmm..verrrry..interesting.

            • Sherbet

              Should Tony pull the plug on this one, do you think?

            • Captain Howdy

              You can’t stop someone from posting if they’re using a you know what.

            • Sherbet

              He stopped Flunk.

            • Espiando

              Yeah, but Flunk kept the same personality when he switched to Ziontologist. It was just a matter of time with him. This bitch, she’s got more personalities than Sybil.

            • Sherbet

              I see your point, but still. This is a special circumstance. Anyway, it’s Tony’s call.

            • Sherbet

              Maybe that was MY money you got back. Give it here.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Yeah, what’s the secret, BTN?

            • Sherbet

              Marked bills, apparently.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Hah. Well, others seem to know what’s going down but I don’t, so not waiting anymore. I am however adding up ALL expenses (and those who worked with me) and looking at state law on defrauding seniors. I think I have enough to meet all the requirements and minimums, plus receipts and other docs. California has similar laws as Florida, but not sure about other states.

            • Sherbet

              Excellent! Senior being over 60 or over 65?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Generally 65 but there are exceptions.

              “Elder Consumer Protection Program”, State of Florida

              http://elder.law.stetson.edu/professional/statute/states_criminal/florida.html

            • Sherbet

              Well, you go, girl, and keep us all informed.

            • Captain Howdy

              I tried to get meals on wheels today and they told me to screw because i was too young..bastards!

            • Sherbet

              That wasn’t meals on wheels. That was the drink cart, and you didn’t have ID.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Larfing!

            • Kitz

              Could you send me an email dear? :-)

            • Seannie5

              Go for it!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              YEp!!

            • Sherbet

              Amazing. I never catch on. As usual, like Sgt. Schultz, I know nuthink.

            • Sherbet

              I’ve been trying to come up with an appropriate and 26-related pun on “Chuck E’s in Love,” but I’m coming up empty. Oh, well.

            • Espiando

              I gave up on that about 45 minutes ago.

            • Sherbet

              Great minds think alike, Espi.

            • Jon Hendry

              Second trimester.

            • The Dakini

              WTH is going on around the Bunker Capt’n? I’m gone for a few weeks and all hell has broken loose. Yikes. Thank goodness for you and BTN. Holy crap, i hope eveyone is ok.

            • Seannie5

              OMG

            • Rita Gregory

              But your honor I paid people back. Pouty face.

            • Miss Tia

              And maybe they’ll pull up the huge rip off they pulled a couple years ago and ask if those people got paid back….there goes the pouty face to one of fear……

            • Seannie5

              That bitch is undaunted, she’s so addicted to this place. I bet there is a big part of her that really misses the comradery and kindness from you all. She fucked a good thing up, all because her reality doesn’t make her happy.
              I’m glad you got your money back and hopefully her continued obsession with you all won’t impress the judge!

            • noseinabk

              Refunds? She must have spent mine. Maybe on the little party she had with her mom, dad, uncle and new aunt.

            • Seannie5

              I really hope the full story with all the details is exposed one day – when the time is appropriate. I’ve told a few people about a blog I visit getting catfished. I want her photo and details exposed and out there for all to see.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      DIE…………We may consider a memorial………..but don’t hold your……….oh yeah,….right.

      • DamOTclese2

        I believe the technical phrase is, “Die in a fire.” :)

    • Ruby

      Oh, but you are in the picture. Don’t you see the lice in blackheart’s hair?

      • Jon Hendry

        Pants. Blackheart’s pants.

    • Espiando

      Your presence is pissing on the name Anonymous.

      For some reason, I really don’t like that.

    • Qbird

      Why, thou deboshed fish thou…Wilt thou tell a monstrous lie, being but half a fish and half a monster?

      Thy tongue outvenoms all the worms of Nile.

      Thy sin’s not accidental, but a trade.

      Take her away; for she hath lived too long, To fill the world with vicious qualities.

      Ugly ugly fish. Unwelcome. Unloved.

      • Sherbet

        Wow, Shakespeare was a visionary, Q.

  • hansje brinker

    I think this is a better song about an e-meter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKfOWGRivBQ

    • Captain Howdy

      That’s awesome and definitely a keeper.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Just needs a little cowbell and a lot of rulers, and I’d buy it.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    HELLO? REGULATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Miss Tia

      Just got back on, I’m almost scared to scroll down….deep breath….okay, we’re off to see the wizard down a rabbit hole filled with socks! Wheeee!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Buckle up girl.

        • Miss Tia

          Oh dear, seat doesn’t have a seat belt….flying by the seat of my pants—as always! :)

          • Rita Gregory

            I’m getting my broom ready.

            • Miss Tia

              Well shit, I gotta read specifics cuz there’s no notification replies to me….someone wanna PM me a link to the thread I need to be looking for?

            • Rita Gregory

              Check your messages.

            • Miss Tia

              THANKS! :D

            • MaxSpaceman

              How can I find it — it’s like seekrit society am not a part of . . .

            • NOLAGirl

              You have email my dear. :)

            • Sandy

              HELP!

            • Rita Gregory

              26.

            • Sandy

              ah

        • Rita Gregory

          Bumpy night.

        • Couch_Incident

          Well done Bury. In your honor (refresh):

          • Espiando

            Okay, now I just have to hear “Viva la Vida”. Thanks, Delacroix.

            • Couch_Incident

              I was thinking more along the lines of “La Marseillaise,” but okay.

          • Jon Hendry

            See that pink head covering on the person next to the guy with the blunderbuss?

            At first I saw that as some weird hairless creature jumping over the person’s shoulder.

    • Sandy

      Bury? Hint…

    • Kitz

      Damn it… I always miss the fun while working. :-(

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Ditto. but it is time. ;-}

        • Midwest Mom

          Theeey’re heeeere”

  • indie8million

    I have a question. Why on earth would they ask that David Miscavige be deposed in their OFFICES, instead of in the courtroom? Will it be video’d? I want the Judge to SEE DM and see his mannerisms, his haughtiness and his sneering disregard for those below “The Pope.” I want the JUDGE to be able to question him and feel the sliminess coming from the guy. That Texan will know a snake in any type of skin.

    As they say, actions speak louder than words. Please get him to court. Please.

    • SandiCorrena

      Depositions are always in a law firm or some location not in court; at least to my knowledge.

      • Gabbyone

        Yes, my depositions were all done in attorney’s offices except for the celeb-scio dentist whose depo was taken in his office. That’s when I found out that the shooped xrays had suddenly appeared on his computer. I had been told that they had been “irretrievably” lost due to a power outage, and these xrays were never given to the state dental investigator. I know because I obtained a copy of my records from them. The dentist made up a story that said that the xray had been found in someone else’s file, and even indicated that patient’s name in my records which was another privacy violation. He lied about everything under oath or used “I don’t recall” many times. He was well-rehearsed, and he had absolutely no remorse about stealing tens of thousands of dollars. I remember one day I was sobbing in his office and I said “all you wanted was my money” and he just walked out of the office. Suspicions confirmed.
        These are REALLY REALLY evil people. It defies comprehension. I am rooting for Monique because I really want to see justice prevail.

        • Miss Tia

          Some people really defy comprehension. All of us want to see justice prevail.

        • SandiCorrena

          It’s sounds like you’ve had a horrible ordeal; maybe you should treat yourself to some retail therapy. Nothing like new shoes to cheer a person up.

          • Annee

            Weren’t those all gone around Christmas?

            • SandiCorrena

              Almost like they didn’t exist in the first place? I think you’re right!

            • Espiando

              But I’m sure that you can find them under another brand. I’ve heard that if you search eBay for “Annee”, they’ll pop up.

          • Gabbyone

            I would go for Dorothy’s ruby slippers. I seriously felt like I was in the Land of Oz because the 3 dentists had perfected their appearance, credentials, and script which made them appear to be true professionals. When the curtain got pulled back I saw them for who they really were and felt like a total fool. I know so many others who have been scammed by these clowns so I know that I am not the only one. I keep putting crazy things that happened to me in these offices together as I follow the Bunker postings, and it helps so much to understand why and how these healers became dealers. This is a really great place to heal and learn.

        • Ardent

          You have many who feel as you do, Gabbyone. I refer to those of us here in The Bunker. And I am so sorry you got so savagely ripped-off and wounded. They are swine.

    • DamOTclese2

      It’s only done in a court room in front of a Judge when the defendant refuses to answer questions in a law office setting. We can expect that Dav8id will refuse to answer all questions when he’s dragged back to Texas to answer for his crimes so hopefully we’ll see the Judge ordering him to answer questions eventually.

    • Robert Eckert

      Judges do not have time to deal with all the evidentiary discovery and hate to be dragged into it, although they can be if there is persistent refusal to answer.

    • Annee

      As others have said, depositions aren’t done in court. Usually at one of the lawyer’s office conference rooms. Lawyers for both sides and the involved parties all attend, and a court reporter to record the proceedings. Depos can go on for hours, but usually only the relevant portions will be submitted to the court.

  • Troy MacGyver

    Ok,does anyone know where lil dave lives? Let’s pool our inner Xenu and harass him. Fucking,.More Stupid Pile of Fucking Xnu. I hope dm’s little penis falls off!

    • Troy MacGyver

      OoPs,Sorry. I pray he goes away.

      • Espiando

        What a coincidence. We pray that you’ll go away. Or put yourself back in your drawer.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Part Scottish I presume.

          • Espiando

            No. I don’t have the legs to get away with wearing a kilt.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              No, I meant “macgyver” but thanks for sharing.

  • Funnybroad

    I couldn’t think of a caption or anything to put in speech balloons, but maybe it’s ok just as-is.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Chicken or Vegetable?

      • Sherbet

        Beans ‘n Rice.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          BEANS AND BULLSHIT

      • Observer

        Clam chowder

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Texas Style! Now with more screaming!

          • Rita Gregory

            And more cowbell!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Enjoy the familiar aroma of home cooked sea org slop!

          • Observer

            Wait … wouldn’t that be squirrel chowder?

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Scientology: Mixing species since before Monsanto.

            • Sarah James

              Lol :)

    • Miss Tia

      I love it! “Pay attention to ME! No one is looking at ME! I’m a pope you cocksuckers! LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!” Stomps off, “LOU!!!! They wouldn’t look at me, it was like I was 3′ feet tall!! Gimme my bottle!”

    • SandiCorrena

      Is he holding exploding tomato’s?

      • Her_Royal_Blondeness

        Poor Sweeney. He will never live that down.

        • SandiCorrena

          I think, especially now that there is even a cocktail named in his honor, and that he used the photo in his avatar when he was commenting lately, that he embraces it at least a little bit – he knows anyone seeing that documentary loves him all the more because of his very human reaction in the face of B#t S&*t crazy.

    • Robert Eckert

      The expression on Marty’s face makes this.

      • Funnybroad

        And the lawyers are turned around like they don’t know him.

    • Funnybroad

      You can’t depose me! I’ve got SOUPA POWAH!

      • Annee

        Thank you, I needed that laugh . . . Does that make Davey a Campbell Kid?

    • Great White Clam

      I thought maybe this;

    • Jo

      Love it. Just thinking, Heinz beans cans with 57 senses would be funny.

  • Sandy

    The Incredible Dr. Pol is coming on to a new season

    • Sandy

      So, so glad

    • Captain Howdy

      Dr who?

      • Espiando

        No, not until at least spring. But it’s The Capaldi, so it’s worth waiting for.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        You my man, were fed a ‘straight line’.

        I was in a math class, and we were discussing infinity. The math teacher said well there is infinity to the plus side and infinity to the minus side. So what is infinity plus infinity?

        And I said: “2infinity”

        and he said: “And BEYOND!”

      • Sandy

        No biggie, Cpt. He is a vet on a show on cable. Ignore me at will …

      • Sandy

        Sorry. I should not of posted. I can be an idiot. It is a Nat GE Wild show where a farm + small animal vet runs a practice.

        • Captain Howdy

          Sounds good.

  • IBBy

    I played hooky from work today and spent it instead away from a computer and on a boat. I scrolled through the comments and saw some dramz. Is our friend our lady of immaculate conception or McHales Navy?

    • Miss Tia

      26 has a flotilla.

      • IBBy

        but I dont get the 26 ref! *derps*

        • Sibs

          12/26.
          (Do I get yelled at for clarifying?)

          • IBBy

            ooooooooooooh gotcha. makes sense now

          • Robert Eckert

            No, your reply was perfect.

          • WhamBham

            mk? is that who’s here?

    • Annee

      I read Tony’s post this morning, and just a few moments ago getting to the comments. Maybe better to skip the rest. Yeesh.

  • Ardent

    Serious question: as a ‘never in’ I would like some genuine clarification about the daily diet of an ordinary SeaOrg slave. I hear lots of references to beans and rice, but that is simply a wildly unbalanced diet. I wouldn’t put ANYTHING past Scientology, but would some kind person lay out what would actually be served for breakfast, lunch and dinner, assuming you were in good standing? Many thanks!

    • SandiCorrena

      I think it depends on how straight up and vertical your stats are (like if you get to sit at the cool kids table); in any event it’s not high end for the sea org-ers and you get very little time to eat it becuz time is money and you aren’t bringing home the bacon if you’re sitting around eating it.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Paging Derek!

      • Ardent

        Yes! Derek would know. Hey Deeerrreekk? You around anywhere? Ardent has a question for you.

    • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

      Recommend you read Jenna Miscavige-Hill’s “Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology and My Harrowing Escape”

      Apart from being the niece of Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige, Jenna has a lot of good first hand information about the Damnation Navy

      • Ardent

        Thanks Jens,

        I did read it, and I was riveted. But I don’t recall much regarding the food, save it was generally awful. I guess I should re-read. I do think her book is very important, though, and ought to be part of High School curriculum, or at the least, something a student can choose for advanced studies, or whatever. I was so upset by her book, it led me here.

        And her descriptions of the machinations of her uncle and aunt are fascinating.

  • Annee

    Already admitted I am late to the comment party today, and now there are 1500+ comments here. If some kind soul would please indulge me – Is the e-meter singer guy doing a parody or is he the new face of YSOTWNSCOHB (Young Sci on the Web Not S*ing C* on Hollywood Blvd)?

    • Espiando

      So, you’re too lazy to read the comments, you’re too lazy to read the freaking article itself, and you’re a sock. Three strikes, you’re out.

      • Annee

        Excuse me, I read the article. I just got on here about half an hour ago, and the comments are all over the place. Geez, get off your high horse. I was asking an honest question.

        • Ardent

          The guy is, apparently, serious. Very deeply weird.

          • Annee

            Thank you, wasn’t sure how to interpret it. Was odd, in any case.

          • Annee

            Sorry you got downvoted for responding. I got downvoted for asking. Nice community here.

            • Espiando

              You and another of your sockpuppets were the ones doing the downvoting, so it’s only appropriate that you apologize.

              You lost this one. And every other sock you have, we’ll spot or have already spotted. Just go away.

        • Espiando

          So you’re a dumb lazy bitch sockpuppet. Got it.

          • Ardent

            Espi, I’ve had a look at Annee’s comment history, and I honestly don’t see much there that makes me think ‘sock’. So I’m a bit confused. Is there something you know? I’m a bit bewildered, but then I was fooled by that fake priest dude, so…Please clarify? I respect your posts.

            • Espiando

              Just feeling it, A. I can’t quantify it, but Sock Sense is tingling like a mofo. It’s the same sensation I got when Reverend Chad showed up to pontificate. And as I type this, someone downvoted you, removed the downvote, and downvoted you again. About fifteen seconds later, just enough time for someone to sign out and sign in again under another ID, someone downvoted you again, then removed that downvote.

              I see everything.

            • Rita Gregory

              Et tu, Ardent?

            • Ardent

              Oh God, no! Jeeze. Don’t even consider that for a moment. I just can’t tell. (see comment to Espi below) No, I am true and honest. Enough said.

            • Ardent

              Thanks man. I noticed the down vote stuff, ad it was strange. I can’t recall a down vote before. Hmm. I’ll trust your spider senses and stop feeding the Troll/sock-puppet.
              Whew! I just can’t wrap my head around puppeting and ‘fishing’ etc. Well, I DO understand OSA crapola going down. Perhaps that’s what it amounts to? Again, thanks.

            • Ardent

              And to prove your point, my reply to you just got a down vote for some reason. What the hell is going on here?

            • Espiando

              Someone’s having a hissy that her latest sock was pegged in less than an hour after she showed up. Don’t take it personal.

            • Ardent

              Yeah, I see. Man. Look, I’ll sign off now – freaked out – and we’ll catch up another time, possibly later today. Thanks for clarifying, and I shall take your word involving puppetry of all kinds from now on. Peace, Espi, and thanks for calmly clarifying things for me. cheers.

            • Rita Gregory

              Who does this sound like to you Espi?
              Had a personally amusing run-in with some Scilons (probably SeaOrg)
              while working in a big bookshop in Sydney NSW, fairly close to the home
              hive for the Sci-creatures. As I recall, a male and female drone came
              in, wearing suspiciously well-pressed garments. I asked them if I could
              help? They were mildly startled, as if perhaps I had some sort of
              agenda. Really, they both looked a bit dismayed to be spoken to. Then
              one of them asked, in a tone I took at the time to be almost offensively
              haughty, or commanding “Have you the works of L.Ron Hubbard?”.
              I couldn’t help it. I snorted with truly unprofessional derision (I’m
              sorry I did that). “We wouldn’t carry that stuff here,” I said. And then
              saw the dismay on their faces. “Well,” I said, being nicer, “I think
              there is a Scientology building just over on such-and-such a street.
              That’s the only place that would sell his work.” (I avoided saying
              ‘crap’). They left immediately. It was then that I began to discuss this
              event with a co-worker, and we both figured they had to be
              Scientologists, checking out the dissemination of the ‘Source’s’ books.
              I’ll admit I got a nice dose of schadenfreude out of the encounter. True
              story. Naughty me.

            • Espiando

              26, Rita. 26.

            • Rita Gregory

              Yep and he just signed off.

            • Valerie Ross

              “He” signed off and Annee came back. Too bad she missed “him”. He was so nice, “defending” and all. *snickersnort*

            • Ardent

              Valerie, I am a male, aged 53. I live in Sydney NSW. deal with it, and stop with she sarcasm and conspiracy nonsense. we’re supposed to be on the same side.

            • Rita Gregory

              Obvious sock is obvious.

            • Ardent

              Wrong. stop piling on, you’ll feel silly, I promise. We must not fight amongst ourselves!

            • Ardent

              OK. ENOUGH! I’m going to complain to Tony. I AM NOT a fake. I am here is good faith. I have never in my life tried to con or bullshit my way online ever. I am extremely insulted by what you guys are saying about me. The story I am telling about Sydney is absolutely true, and was, really very funny (to me). EVERYTHING i have said is honest. You guys are on a witch hunt, and for some reason – well, I suppose curious about why ‘annee’ was suddenly under the gun and I asked Espi, whose posts I enjoy why. so that makes me a bloody Scientologist??!!

              This si supposed, I though, to be a friendly, supportive place where we gather to both try to uncover the cult’s bad practices, but also to bring it down – not snipe at each other. I am real. I’ll defy anyone to say I am some fake. And Tony – I’m serious: this is just wrong. I have done NOTHING to warrant this name calling and sarcasm.

              Yes, I AM freaked out. I felt welcome here. And now this? Anybody care to avoid the bandwagon and help defend me?

            • Rita Gregory

              Please do complain to Tony.

            • Valerie Ross

              I suggest you go wake him up and complain right now. It would be almost 3:00 a.m where he lives. He would appreciate the intrusion. And the IP address.

            • Rita Gregory

              Check your email.

            • Ardent

              NO Problem Valerie. I know I am telling all of you the truth, and I have feelings, and they have been “snicker snort” HURT.

            • Anonymous

              Upvoted strictly because of my amusement.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              This doesn’t look right, but don’t complain to Tony just yet. Ardent’s Disqus goes back a few months and I see nothing inflammatory and nothing that looks like he’s trolling for derails or trolling for information. So what are you all accusing him of exactly?

            • Ardent

              I have already complained to Tony. this is outrageous. thanks, Jimmy. WTF?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Are you guys going to call him a sock because down votes showed up? Hey, that’s been happening for the past few weeks.

            • Anonymous

              I humbly misunderstand why that post would be controversial…

            • Ardent

              That actually happened, in real life, in Sydney on this planet. What are you trying to prove?

          • Valerie Ross

            The socks are talking to themselves tonight and voting themselves up too.mmi think there is a major flameout on the horizon any time now.

    • Valerie Ross

      As long as you’re having so much fun talking to yourself today, be sure you keep this in mind.

      • Annee

        Uh, okay, whatever.

    • grundoon

      The e-meter singer guy does seem to be the new face of Young Sci on the Web.

  • richelieu jr

    It doesn’t matter if Marty has a blackhead…

    What matters is they’ve got this ersatz ‘pope’ on the ropes! Go Team Rathbun!

  • richelieu jr

    The mere fact that they think this is a religious matter makes the idea that they think they are a religion extremely laughable….

    Well, we don’t pray as such, but we do kick kids in the testicles. They end up on their knees, so you now, god likes it or whatever. Amen.

    • Ardent

      Well, hot damn, yeah! Religious issue my ass. Since when is stalking, harassing and sending dildoes in the mail a religious pursuit? There is no way I can imagine any sane person buying that line of hogwash. Infuriating, isn’t it, my good Cardinal?

      • richelieu jr

        Quite.

  • richelieu jr

    Do the new meters have tuning forks or auto tune? Happy Can Boy isn’t just flirting with pitch, he’s gone all the way and married discord!

    • Ardent

      Heh heh heh. Indeed.

  • media_lush

    wtf…. news report on this case has a talking head who says attorney Elliot Capuccio (sic), who represents Monique Rathburn…..

    http://www.keyetv.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/texas-couple-takes-scientology-court-15451.shtml

    • Robert Eckert

      It is especially nice to see Wallace hammered with questions. And Scientology has NO spokesperson now, not even a “Karin Pouw” statement to give out to a reporter calling for a response.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Wow- that’s telling. Even Ka-pow isn’t making an ass of her/hisself with some dumbass statement.

  • Ardent

    OK Espi and Valerie. I am really hurt that you have concluded I am some sort of troll or sock. I have sent an email to Tony directly, explaining what is happening, and giving him what I hope amounts to enough info to prove I have only ONE discus account, one name, and I am who I say I am. I hope he will find a moment to check and let everyone know I am not full of shit. I know things are tense these days (and exciting, especially in Texas) but I simply am profoundly upset by your accusations and sarcasm. I really am who I say I am. I WAS freaked out, and I left the site to listen to music. I came back to discover that leaving for a while was ‘proof’.

    Think about it.

    • Rita Gregory

      There is proof, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to let you know what it is.

      • Ardent

        There can’t be, Rita, because it simply isn’t true. you can’t make something out of nothing and expect it to stand. I am telling all of you the truth. What the hell is going on?

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Can you let me know? Throwaway email: ymmijymmijymmij@gmail.com

        • Ardent

          Jimmy, I swear to you, and everyone who is not piling on me, I AM NOT A SOCK. I have no idea why people think I might be. This is frustrating beyond belief!

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I don’t think you are but I haven’t spent much time reading through your Disqus, because it all seems above board and I’m not trying to play detective. I would just like to see what proof she has. I know this sock game has driven some people out even when it didn’t add up.

            • AutOmatic

              I am not a professional “sockhunter” like some people here, so I can’t say one way or another if this person is or is not a “sock”, but I can say that I just went through the same thing. It was really frustrating, so I sent my dox to Tony and after he explained some things to me I felt better. One thing he told me in my email was:

              “As for downvotes, I don’t understand why people care about them. Everyone gets them. Just ignore downvotes.”

              So…I am taking his advice. And if anyone still thinks I’m a “sock” well fell free to email Tony and he’ll confirm I’m not. So some of the people here who think they had me “pegged” were wrong. And it is sad that this is happening here I think because I feel it may have driven some quality people away. Though I completely understand that “sockpuppetry” does happen unfortunately :(

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You came in with the old “every religion is exactly the same” argument. So your case is bullshit, I’m sorry. You deserved the reaction you received.

            • AutOmatic

              Yea I know I did, and have been trying to do my best to stay on topic and stay more focused as to the reason everyone is here. Lesson learned for sure, but point being…I am not a sock, but was accused and treated like one, and so many people were so convinced, it was pretty frustrating, what do people here do when they find out that they were wrong about you?

            • Sue

              I think if they’ve got any decency, they say sorry for thinking you were a scieno apologist but I stand by the arguments with which I attempted to counter yours.

            • AutOmatic

              Well, that would be cool :) And I totally respect everyone’s opinion, always will. I do enjoy the discussions here, I have learned quite a bit, but there’s so much that I don’t know, and am still trying to catch up on, and I will most likely have many derp moments in the future so I’m apologizing now for those lol :p

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              All I know is that your first post echoed a common Scilon strategy. The “all religions are the same” argument serves two purposes: to distract and deflect blame towards other religious practices, and secondly it is a very pathetic attempt to put Scientology on the same stage as the mainstream religions.

              But on a message board such as this, it serves only one purpose: to start an argument and derail the conversation. That is why you were considered to be a sock and a troll. I’m willing to forgive if you did understand that, but others may not be willing to do so. I will say that you have made some great posts since then. So there is that.

            • AutOmatic

              Thanks, and yea I had no idea when I posted that stuff that it was a common $cilon strategy, I was only posting what I was feeling. But I do understand now, and did apologize for derailing the discussion, but I suppose now my only recourse is to get better at shooping Captain Tiny Blackheart and educating myself so I can add to the discussions and not distract or cause discord at all.

            • MaxSpaceman

              What Jimmy 3T said. Re: Automatic- “you have made some great posts since then.”
              Tru-dat.

            • Ardent

              Thanks Auto. I feel really forlorn here right now. Like my village suddenly arrived at the door with stakes and burning torches for no reason. Horrible and sad.

      • Ardent

        Was it because I changed Columbo’s face? You know, I’m not the only one to fool with images. Nice ‘proof’.

      • Valerie Ross

        Damn Rita I am sorry she doesn’t have a big enough hard on for you to put your name out there too. Oh well.

        • Rita Gregory

          Why is she saying Espi accused her? He didn’t.

          • Ardent

            Rita, I am MALE and I got confused. See response below. I do not want to make enemies. Please just step back and take a breath. I am not a spy/scilon/troll/fish or puppet. I’m a real person, living in Sydney (soon you’ll see I have moved – I’ll let everyone know). I beg you, just calm down. I am innocent of any malfeasance.

    • Rita Gregory

      When did Espi say YOU were a sock?

      • Ardent

        Actually, he said “26, Rita, 26″, but yes, I confused sock with catfish (?). Anyway, I have been under attack – and I don’t deserve it. It is the strangest, most awful feeling. I have NO IDEA why you guys have decided I am the enemy, or what ‘proof’ exists to show something that just isn’t real! I am baffled, and yes, freaked out (wouldn’t you be?). Frankly, after what seems like ages lurking, then joining the Bunker and enjoying the laughs and the tensions and the companionship of like-minded people (and I am not a joiner by nature) to suddenly be turned upon and treated with scorn and derision is really upsetting. I WAS freaked out. I am still freaked out. I feel surprisingly deeply hurt. The only person who appears to have stopped and thought is Jimmy three times, and for that I am grateful. I wish Baby were here, or Bury, or a few others with whom I am more familiar. But I am particularly upset that Espi, whom I have long admired and whose posts I have enjoyed, seems to think I am either a fake, a sock, whatever you want to call it. Please, just for a moment, put yourself in my place, and imagine your daily Bunker time being horribly turned on you in this way – agains YOU – and imagine how I feel. For truly, I am innocent of any ‘charge’ being levelled at me. And I value The Bunker as a refuge of kindness, interesting news and shared values. Yeah, corny, yeah. But that is honest. I am honest. Cheers. After this blows over I will not harbour any hard feelings. I think we are under a LOT of pressure, particularly since the tensions of the triela in Texas and the Garcia case (and numerous other things) may have got us on the edges of our seats. I don;t know anything for sure except I am telling the truth. Cheers.

      • Midwest Mom

        She’s getting her socks mixed up.

        • Rita Gregory

          Yes, I know. :)

  • valshifter

    what happen I just came in , is anybody pulling a Monkey Nickers again?

    • Ardent

      People are accusing me of being a ‘sock’. It isn’t so, but there is a serious pile-on happening. I have complained to Tony. I really don;t know what they believe I did. But, well, you’ll see. Pity.

      • Tone

        I do not know you, but from the page or so of dialogue that I have read it is obvious that there are some people who are attempting to destabilize you and they seem to be succeeding. Stop reacting to them. They will find another target soon enough. They’re psychic vampires, they thrive on attention and they thrive on creating conflict. Maybe you are a sock, maybe you’re not, I do not know that. What I do know is a move from the cult’s play book when I see it. Ignore them, interact with who is important to you, say the things that are important to you. Ignore people who distract.

        I do not play in this sandbox very often because of this very thing. I won’t go so far as to say there are crazy people here, but the cult does have a way of turning sane people into sociopaths, and it doesn’t always get better when they blow. I have been twenty years getting my sanity back since I left. And there are people here running ops for the cult, it would be naive to think otherwise.

        Beware of anyone who thinks they are important enough to hide their activity. Success in this sandbox is in not giving a shit what others think.

        • Ardent

          Thanks Tone. I suppose I might be being ‘played’. I would not expect that from my time here in the Bunker. But you may be right. Up-vote, down-vote, I don’t care, but to be considered some sort of fraud is very disturbing, especially here, in a place I considered safe and very decent. I shall try to bear in mind what you say. thank you. Cheers.

        • Ardent

          By the way, Tone, I congratulate you for being out of the cult for 20 years. I truly feel for this that were ‘in’. As a ‘never in’ I have an utterly different point of view than you would. I have been fascinated and disturbed by the cult for a very long time – it always seems very fishy to me, and I simply could not reconcile payment for progress in a so-called church. I hope you are really in the groove of ‘wog-world’ (joking) now, and free from most of the damage you may have incurred while in. I won’t ask any personal questions, but I’ll repeat: congratulations for getting out.

          • Tone

            I’m a fairly active critic, both online and once a month at the corner of Homer & Hastings here in Vancouver where along with our fearless leader Gerry Armstrong where a dedicated little group of us enturbulate with signs, hats, wigs, and masks.

            I do it for all the people ensnared in the cult who didn’t get out or get off as easily as I did from the experience. All I lost was ten years and a pile of money. Some didn’t get out with their lives.

            • Ardent

              Oh. I’m a Canadian myself (ex-pat). Remember those photos of the horrible state of the Vancouver Org? Well, the cruddy building in Toronto is very similar: When I visit town I always walk by (it is on Yonge Street, and almost unavoidable) and the ‘droids are out, asking for ‘intelligence testing’, etc. That’s where I first had my run-in with the badly copied ‘Oxford’ test. Remember the smell of those old pre-photocopy days? Ahh, it takes me back…

            • Robert Eckert

              ” I did have the pleasure of once taking a so-called IQ test at an Org somewhere” (originally, you could not remember where)

              You had not read Going Clear because “Wright’s book is banned where I live, and I can’t even order it from ABE or the other usual suspects.” According to Wiki “AbeBooks offers six regional websites: for North America, France, Germany, Italy, the UK and Spain”

              And you were a Chadicus praiser.

            • Ardent

              OK. I fell for Chadicus. Please recall I admitted it, and was embarrassed, and asked for help in figuring out who was ‘trolling’ or however you want to call it. And note also, I was NOT the person who pointed out his post, but I DID paste it, being completely fooled.

              I was not allowed by ABE to order Going Clear, and I also tried, through the bookshop I worked in, to order it, but it was embargoed. You cannot buy this book in Australia. How does what you say prove anything? I have never seen the book here. I can’t even get it online! I can’t even download it! By the way, I use ABE books all the time, so I do know what I’m talking about. Now, this was some time ago – possibly things changed. But Australia is often subject to strange ‘blackouts’ with books and film. Why? I am not sure.

              The ‘Org Somewhere’ was Toronto, but I did not feel comfortable saying much because I am actually afraid of the Sciloons, and don’t trust them one bit. I am very aware of the nasty things they can do. And I was being rather private. Forgive me. Oh, and I NEVER said I ‘could not remember where’, unless I was trying to really fool the Sciloons.

              No, Robert, I really am who I am, and I am NOT a sock or anything otherwise. Period.

            • Anonymous

              There’s always the Pirate Bay. If its not legally available where you live, you have no good reason not to pirate it.

            • Ardent

              And if I have never heard of Pirate Bay? For God’s sake. give me a break. I am NOT a puppet.

            • Anonymous

              You think I’m a puppet? LOLzers. Take your psych meds man.

            • Midwest Mom

              . . .said the puppet.

            • Robert Eckert

              ABE Books does not have an Australian operation.

              The claim that mentioning Toronto would put you in danger, when you are now on the opposite side of the planet (since when?) is not a very coherent one.

            • Ardent

              And by the way, I am disappointed in you. I always look to you for interesting comment. And I felt you were not particularly judgemental. This witch hunt has been aimed at the wrong person, I assure you.

            • Robert Eckert

              Explaining your story would be more assuring.

            • Interested

              Robert. I went on amazon.com and got it. Give that a try.

            • Robert Eckert

              I was talking about the subject of where Ardent lives. He was Australian, or Canadian who moved to Australia (when? some time after Wright was published?)

            • Tone

              I’m a native west coaster, I grew up on the island but was on lines in Toronto in my late teens through my latter 20’s. I got suckered in at seventeen, a young stupid kid going to U of T, far from home with no one to protect me. I never did the personality test but they found my ruin, or at least persuaded me that it was. I’ve made my home in Vancouver for a number of years now where I try to be an irritant to the local clams.

              Vancouver cult did some patching over the summer but the structure looks like shit and a whole section of it looks like it is about to come down. They’ll claim that they were hampered in their repair effort because around the same time the city was doing electrical work with transformers or some such thing under the sidewalk next to the east wall of their downstat little building. All I can say is that if we get the big earthquake they say the west coast is due for, $cientology Vancouver will be the first thing turned to rubble.

            • MaxSpaceman

              (table the sock puppet crapola). On topic:

              10 years in, Tone – and you’re in Recovery 20 years later.
              Fuck, Tone – that is so huge. The damage Hubbard-think/Hubbard-speak/Hubbard-rules of $cientology can inflict in the life of an individual continually astonishes this never-in. I wish you well and continued progress. And please if you can in Vancouver when you see Gerry in one of those enturbulations, tell him how much Bunkeroos (this Bunkeroo) admires him and respects him. For what he has accomplished in bringing light onto one of the darkest blights in human experience. For his endurance. For his dedication. For his purpose. He is deeply appreciated and I hope you can share that to him from The Underground Bunker.

              Spaceman.

            • Tone

              You should tell him yourself, go to http://gerryarmstrong.ca/ and about halfway down the page there is a contact link. His wife Caroline does fantastic historical and archiving work too, she is painstakingly documenting the cult’s history. Gerry is a great guy, even if we didn’t have the commonality of the cult I would still want to be his friend. He has an eagerness for life and a genuineness that is magnetic. Too bad he has had to endure the very worst fair game that the cult can throw. I just wonder what he would have accomplished had he not been so fucked up by Ron and the gang. He really is a genius, and he just keeps on going despite the ops still running against him.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Great. Thanks for the link. I shall do that. Terrific!

            • HCO Chief

              I’m a Vancouverite also and ex-SO, I’ll have to join you down there one day.

            • Tone

              Our rallying point is http://vanonymous.freeforums.org go ahead and get involved! :D
              It isn’t like I’m giving anything away, the cult knows all about us *grin*

              II was public, never staff, and I am fascinated by just how different the cult was to me compared to what I have learned from ex-staff.

      • valshifter

        I don’t know if you are a sock or not, but I can see you fell out of ARC with your comments, try to find your ARC back, and you will be loved again. peace people.

        • Ardent

          Que? (no disrespect, but…) Is this another attack? Oy!

        • HCO Chief

          Please don’t use “ARC” like it’s an actual word.

          • valshifter

            I know, I did not want to use it but I could not find any other way to express my thought, you can tell I still have some of the hubbardian cobweb,( as stated by Simi) in my head is hard to get rid of it. its hard to be normal again.

            • richelieu jr

              Keep it up, you’ll eventually start to talk like a normal human being.

  • Great White Clam
    • Ardent

      I sincerely hope not. I have tried my best to defend myself. Glad you’re here. I SWEAR to you, clam of clams, I am NOT anything other than what I appear to be: a guy who shares your feelings about Scientology, and loves the Bunker, what it stands for, and also the camaraderie and laughs. But, who knows? Perhaps those who have accused me of…well, I guess being a fraud, are re-thinking? Or loading again and about let loose another volley. I sure hope you’ll back me up! Please check out my Discus record. And I have complained to Tony with personal details so he can be sure of me, and what more can I say? Again, very glad to see you.

    • Ardent

      Oh, perhaps it is because I changed my ‘Columbo’ image to be more visible? Who knows? Someone apparently has ‘proof’. That will be interesting since none can possibly exist, save in the imagination. My day has not, sadly, been a good one here in Bunkertown.

      • Great White Clam
        • Ardent

          Drama? Oh. Well, initially, I was simply curios about why Espi was challenging a person called Annee. He explained, and it was rather tense. I said I’d leave, being rather freaked (and annoyed with myself for being fooled yet again – recall that fake priest? – and then after listening to some music I returned to find myself under serious attack. It was so upsetting. But yes, I am an emotional person. Still, I wonder how anyone would feel? Sorry if I stepped in it. Still, why pile on me?

      • Sue

        I’m sorry you’ve had such a hard time. I don’t know why you’ve been accused of being a sock puppet – I haven’t seen anything in your posts to suggest that. Maybe people are just up too late past their bedtime. If this is going to be a regular occurrence around here, I don’t want to be part of it.

        • Ardent

          Thank you so very much Sue. Finally! If you lived in Sydney I’d buy you a coffee! My advice: stay out of this nonsense until it clears up, which it must, as it is absolute tripe. But don’t leave the Bunker because of this absurdity – mostly the Bunker is a very nice, polite and really interesting site, with serious discussion, and laughs, and fascinating looks into the nastiness that is Scientology. It appears to be the culmination of a lot of bad vibes for the cult, so I would stick around to stay in touch with the news. Sorry you fell into this momentary guff!

          have a great day/evening/night. Cheers. And gratitude!

          • Sue

            Your offer of a coffee, if I lived in Sydney, prompted me to put the espresso pot on – I was trying to stick to tea today. Anyway, thanks for the advice and, if you’re ever in London, maybe we will have that coffee.

            • Ardent

              London! One of my favourite places. I have a weird ability to navigate central London without the A-Z. (how is this possible?)And I had a great time once staying for about a month in Lewisham on Ladywell Road with some friends, years ago. I studied art in the countryside down in Devon as a young fellow. So, enjoy a cuppa for me!

            • Sue

              I always tell visitors that it’s nearly impossible to get lost in central London if you use the tube stations as orientation points – you’re never much more than a 10 minute walk away from a tube station. I remember a family holiday in Westwood Ho! in Devon. My siblings and I had a lot of fun with that exclamation mark, putting major emphasis on the Ho! I think our Dad was glad when the holiday was over and he could escape. Anyway, take care, Ardent, and I hope you never have another day like today. All the best.

            • Sue

              What could you possibly find to down vote about London tube stations and memories of a family holiday in Westward Ho!, apart from the fact I misspelt Westward Ho! You people really aren’t the full ticket.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Down votes should be disregarded entirely until someone follows up with an explicit statement that includes a) I was one to down vote you, and b) this is why I down voted you. Lacking that, we should pay it no mind. I suspect the downvoter trolls played a huge role tonight and they have done so without having to type a single word.

            • Sue

              You’re absolutely right, of course, and so far I haven’t paid any attention to the numerous downvotes I’ve garnered. It also occurred to me that the downvoting was done for the sole purpose of rattling people, but that was such an innocuous post and hardly warranted 3 downvotes. They clearly don’t even read what they’re downvoting – obedient little trolls.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Some aren’t obedient to anything, they just love creating chaos here. I think most of this community fails to realize how susceptible they are to trolling that has nothing to do with Scientology. There are people that get a thrill out of disruption even when it carries no attention.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              And that’s what they quoted at the trial to prove Jimmy Threetimes is a witch.

              Edit: Meant to post this under sock #7. I’d catch you all on the flip side, but I don’t know what that means.

            • Sue

              Ah, common or garden trolls.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Just wanted you to know that I re-posted this as an add-on to Tony O telling Valerie and Espi to chill with the sock puppet “out-ting.”

            • Ardent

              Thank you Sue. It seems anyone who actually treats me politely get down votes. Probably a Sci ploy.

            • richelieu jr

              I agree Sue. All, my French friends always talk about hard they find the tube system to navigate and how they get lost in London, but I find it much more logical and there are owrstpalces to be lost in. The English are unfailingly polite and will give you instructions if you ask. I even like Pub food (but don’t ask me what I think about the coffee)

  • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

    Ahh – The minimise thread button. Bliss.

    • Ardent

      Don’t blame you a bit. Sorry.

    • Snippy_X

      Comic relief or bad timing? There is a collaborative shoop in progress downthread. Here is the latest incarnation.

      • Ardent

        Mosey could be saying: “Honey..? That little man is back again!”

      • Great White Clam

        Here’s an extension;

  • media_lush

    I want to go on record that that is not me in my avatar!

    • Snippy_X

      Liar!

    • Jimmy Threetimes
      • media_lush

        lulz, ….. missed that

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Posted only with respect, kind sir :)

    • Ardent

      Really? You fooled me! Oh, and I’m really Peter Falk, just for the record.

    • Tone

      Too bad he looks like a fun date!

    • AutOmatic

      You’re not Tom? Then I congratulate you on your fantastic teabagging abilities…though I think you could use some lotion man!

      • Ardent

        Rinse and repeat?

        • AutOmatic

          Yes, that’s why they haven’t opened the Supah Powah building yet, lush keeps running through and dipping his balls in the oily room…and they have to keep scooping out all the short and curlies…that must take at least a month or two.

          • Ardent

            I just pictured him whirling on that ‘direction sensor’ machine, being slathered in oil by deeply distressed SeaOrg minions….Oh, what terrible man he is. Oiliness room, indeed! Pshaw! (sorry of that’s too graphic)

    • Jon Hendry

      But it is your scrotum, I’m sure.

      • Ardent

        …He said proudly. Lady Minerva put down her teacup with a slight clatter and looked up. “Really?” she asked, her eyes brightening. “Is it so?”
        “Indeed, my lady”, he replied, “the full sac”.
        Lord Sturgess snorted, and left the room in a waft of heavy cigar smoke…

    • Great White Clam

      I want to go on record that that’s not me in your avatar, either.

    • richelieu jr

      Let the record show that that is not me in Avatar. Even if he is 8ft tall and blue and sleeping with Zoe Saldana.

      (WHY COULDN’T THAT BE ME IN AVATAR? WHY GODS? OH WHY?!!!)

  • Sibs

    Holy SHIT, what just happened to this place?! I wasn’t gone that long… Ardent, you’ve been lurking and posting here for at least as long as I can recall, what’s with the witch hunt all the sudden? Ugh…

    (No, I am not a sock for defending him, several people here can vouch for my identity.)

    • Ardent

      Thanks Sibs. I am sure this nonsense will blow away like the cobwebs it is constructed of. But frankly, my nerves are shot. Cheers for saying something sane and decent. Really, thanks very much indeed.

    • ThetaBara

      I’ve met Sibs. I vouch for you. :-)

      • Ardent

        Theta! Hi! Please, please explain I’m no sock! No we’ve never met, but we’ve been online simultaneously very very often. I would vouch for you in a second. In case you are unaware, I’ve been under attack for hours as a fake/fraud/sock…It has been totally deracinating and gut-wrenching. I sent Tony an email with personal info so he could check and vouch. What a day!
        Great to see you.

        • ThetaBara

          I don’t see how you reasonably could since we’ve never met nor even really interacted online. I’ve seen your ID, but I’ve seen a lot of IDs. It’s not enough to go on. This place has been all TROLLFEST 2013!!! lately. I swear, I haven’t seen so many trolls since I used to play Dungeons and Dragons in high school, and I guess now we know what happen to all those socks that never come back from the laundry. I don’t have the technical chops to determine if you are or not, but surely you realize that being online at the same time proves nothing whatsoever. Sorry.

          • Ardent

            Fair enough. Sorry. I just got happy at a familiar face. The whole thing is a mystery to me too. Don’t get involved, it’s too stupid.

      • MaxSpaceman

        I saw the picture of y’all at TomKat in Los Angeles this year.

  • media_lush

    on a more silly note The Mail has been messing around with no longer dating celebs and their imagined kids….. here’s the one with Cruise and Cruz …. if you want to see the rest http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2537164/Is-Harry-Chelsys-baby-looked-like-Features-celebrity-exes-morphed-create-children.html

    • Ardent

      Yikes! Thanks for that, media! I needed the laughs. Why Kirk Douglas’s chin?

    • Tone

      Too funny! Moss and Depp might have given us a young Renee Zellweger.

      • media_lush

        ….

  • Great White Clam

    Let us take a few brief moments to humbly thank Xenu that the Divot Mashedcabbage is continuing to heroically and single-handedly battle cocksuckettry in this sector of the universe.

  • InterestedinCrazy

    Maybe people have seen this before? I have not.

    Fascinating interview with Antony Phillips, who was in Sci since 1957.

    An interview with Antony Phillips, Director of the American College of Personal Efficiency in Dublin from March to September 1957. Found on: http://www.anonireland.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=363

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi5JfdOywDw&t=996s

    http://i.imgur.com/AIbFPS5.jpg

    American College of Personal Efficiency PhD!

    I wonder if I get a PhD will it help me get through this mound of laundry and ironing? My personal efficiency at the present moment is about a Junior Infants (pre-school) level! I’ll check out the building at 69 Merrion Square South next time I’m in town.

    —–
    Our national broadcaster RTE show “Prime Time” had a spot on Scientology in Ireland following the story of three women found in London having been involved in a cult for thirty years.

    Go to 3:30. Sad story of disconnection. Mike Garde, Director of Dialogue Ireland @6:30

    http://www.rte.ie/news/player/2013/1125/10226819-prime-time/

    • MaxSpaceman

      Never saw that!

      Thanks, Interested.

      • InterestedinCrazy

        Seems like a nice old fella. How sad for him finding himself duped. Interesting stories and photos, though.

  • InterestedinCrazy

    Um, no, thanks, ye can keep TomCruise and send over George Clooney instead!

    http://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2014/01/03/cruise-open-to-acting-as-irish-film-ambassador/#more-12463

    • Jo

      Irish film is important, no no no Tom Cruise. We have amazing actors here, Colin Farrell, Brendan Gleeson, Cillian Murphy etc.

      • InterestedinCrazy

        He’s apparently from the back-arse of nowhere and proud! Yuck! Those certs of Irishness sell for 40 squid and anyone can get one. Clever money-making lark! https://application.heritagecertificate.ie/heritage/purchase/certificate

        Apparently, his ancestors are the rulers of ‘North Ireland’** (his words) so we’ll be shipping him off to ye up Nordie folks. Ta muchly and no need to thank us! We don’t take returns!

        http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/4884486/tom-cruise-jimmy-kimmel-family-rulers-of-north-ireland.html

        **The dumbness. It hurts.

        • Jo

          That Sun news hurts. Return to the sender, address unknown.

        • Scream Nevermore

          No thanks IiC – my family are dotted around the North, and they’ve enough to contend with, without having that f*ckwitted bollox foisted on them!

          • InterestedinCrazy

            He really is a tool, isn’t he?

      • Ardent

        Colm Meany!

        • Jo

          Colm Meaney, great actor, loved the movie Damned United.

        • richelieu jr

          The Van, The Snapper, and TNG and DS9 and..and… and…

    • richelieu jr

      If you want to read a real mind blower about Tom Cruise and his rampant homophobia, check out the Bronson Pinchot interview a few year back with AVCLub. Pinchot clearly felt beyond Cruise’s reach and really laid it on the line.

      • InterestedinCrazy

        I will do! TY.

  • Great White Clam
    • richelieu jr

      Steve Ditko Rules!

  • Eclipse-girl

    Just was notified by indiegogo

    The Flagfest campaign only reach 3,100.00 IIRC, the goal was 25,000.

    Don’t know if they will have all the speakers that they wanted because the $ was to go for expenses related to those speakers, or so I thought.

  • InterestedinCrazy

    Page 233. Book on the psychology of deviant cult leaders…seems that Loony DM has almost all of the factors. Also discusses the accusation made against Marty re: having a projective identification towards Dirty Mistake.

    http://books.google.ie/books?id=FdtZf_Ns9QwC&pg=PA235&lpg=PA235&dq=cults+projective+identification&source=bl&ots=joFqCPAO5H&sig=z6dWtJnQaZ1pP_JR93-I6qg6XbA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fSDRUrnoHef07AbO6oGYCg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=cults%20projective%20identification&f=false

  • DodoTheLaser

    It’s not just another day in your life. Something positive. Good new day, everyone! Grateful.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj2ofrX7jAk

    • Qbird

      Just beautiful Dodo.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Now that is universal spirituality. No doubt. :-)

      $cientology Inc. in 60+ years, has never produced anything as helpful and inspiring as these 6 minutes.

  • ThetaBara

    Not this shit again:

    • Ardent

      Not me, anyway – and I have given up who believes me. Just looking for some justice here.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Perfect!

  • cambriasvision

    In response to the e-meter video…isn’t he not allowed to be on the internet anyway?! I can’t handle this…oh, wait, I forgot….they make exceptions for things that they think are “entheta”

    E-meter and sexy should never be in the same sentence. Well, unless it’s “omg…I just saw this dude smash his e-meter! He said he was done shilling out thousands of his hard earned cash for an evil cult! It was….sexy…”

  • cambriasvision

    In response to the e-meter video…isn’t he not allowed to be on the internet anyway?! I can’t handle this…oh, wait, I forgot….they make exceptions for things that they think are “entheta”

    E-meter and sexy should never be in the same sentence. Well, unless it’s “omg…I just saw this dude smash his e-meter! He said he was done shilling out thousands of his hard earned cash for an evil cult! It was….sexy…”

  • Seannie5

    Christ alive, I’m dizzy trying to follow the latest drama.
    ARE ANY OF YOU REAL???

    • Miss Tia

      Very few are, I wonder if they have charts in front of them to keep things straight?

      • Seannie5

        Maybe! I wonder why they get such a kick out of it

  • Victoria Pandora

    happy emeter guy is now on redditt. gonna push the bone/mind cracking chiropractor out of the headlines, haha.
    what a pretty little fellow… i can’t imagine what kind of trouble he will get in.
    he mentioned “mathison” the guy who actually made the first emeter? i thought they weren’t supposed to know about him?

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Bottom line, is Scientology people lie to their attorneys, and then let their attorneys lie in court to judges!

    The only truth that leaks out, is via the media.

    So, in truth, the MEDIA, and that means Tony Ortega and Jonny Jacobsen and Childs and Tobin, get the truth out, at least, since it is ex members who tell the truth.

    Our unfortunate legal system allows high paid attorneys to lie, legally, since the clients are not telling those lawyers the truth!

    How convenient!

    And ultra ironic, is Hubbard himself condemned almost all world country’s legal systems, and said that only “honest people have rights.”

    Hubbard’s own behavior, which is being acted out by the current leader of Scientology, is that Hubbard acted illegally, he hoodwinked the IRS, and violated all the crimes the IRS was trying to prove Hubbard was violating, and Hubbard was violating those IRS laws! Hubbard let his wife go to jail, rather than accept the full responsibility, of his “Simon Bolivar” church scriptures policy, which his wife Mary Sue Hubbard faithfully executed, and faithfully chose to LIE to her attorneys and to the US courts, and herself take the full blame, for Hubbard her husband.

    Same today, the underlings, when forced, will take the responsibility, and somehow ensure Miscavige is NOT brought to any justice for his legal violations (ordering and micromanaging this harassment of Monique Rathbun, herself the spouse of Scientology’s real target, Marty Rathbun, that’s the Scientology “case” to defend themselves, since their Hubbard “Office of Special Affairs” scriptures from Hubbard allow wide harassment to get a former Scientology “opinion leader” like Marty Rathbun to cease speaking badly and honestly of Scientology’s/Miscavige’s bad behavior.

    Scientology’s tit for tat scriptures say attack the enemies of Scientology, they have full authority to execute their Hubbard “new religious” scriptures to do their religious harassment of their key enemies, and Monique, they say is just collateral damage to them going after Marty!

    (Where the hell is the “new religion” scholarly paper detailing the FULL outlay of L. Ron Hubbard’s irreligious, in the normal sense, scriptures that are relevant to help judges decide just to what extent is Scientology going TOO FAR, in their Hubbard scriptures, comparatively, and WHERE the fuck is academia on this issue of how to be allowed to criticize Scientology and Hubbard competently, credibly, and take Hubbard as HIS word, or not, compared to what we as society consider is legitimate religious behavior, or NOT! The wishy washy “new religion” scholars are a massive disappointment when it comes to Scientology. Is any one of them even being consulted in this extremely important case? Are any of them even fricking listening? Probably not!)

    bottom line, attorneys and clients play games, and the Scientology top “leaders” (Miscavige, McShane) know how to legally lie, so as to keep their hired “top gun” attorneys from ethically deciding to NOT take Scientology as a client.

    Scientology! We know how to lie to keep you top money expecting lawyers off the hook ethically and legally! We’re really good at scratching your lawyerly backs!

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    So sad, here we are, at this moment in history, and our legal system in America allows well educated (Hubbard level educated) clients can lie to highly paid loophole expert finding attorneys, who themselves know ethically and legally how to procede in Scientology’s legal side, yet, us, us ex members, “we” know we lie, we know Hubbard lied (and himself in his mind, thus in “our” mind) and dodged legal IRS and US Justice Department endeavors to legally hold Hubbard and corporate Scientology legally accountable, and “we” (Scientology) did willfully and skillfully “play” innocent to our highly paid lawyers, and thus dodge US legal (IRS truly had a case against Hubbard and against Scientology corporately, and truthfully, rightfully the IRS SHOULD HAVE WON against us, and denied “us” our “rights” as a “religion”); and Scientology gets away again, or endeavors to “get away” again, legally.

    This is so much WHY I place my fricking trust in the Tony Ortegas and Jonny Jacobsens and Childs and Tobins and Leiby’s and Reitman’s and Wright’s and Kent’s and Touretzky’s and Martin Gardner’s and BBC Sweeney’s of the world, when it comes to the TRUTH about Scientology. And thanks to ALL the ex members who spoke up!

    I think mass protest at the court where “top” Scientology blindered (legally and ethically) lawyers do their duties defending the lying Scientology hierarchy that is trying desperately to AVOID the U.S.A. legal system rightfully putting Scientology leaders (Miscavige) in the legal hot seat!

    I wish I could go to Texas and carry placards directed right AT the Scientology attorneys, challenging them, as human beings, in this time and place in America, at this time, and really really really, do those lawyers think they are ethically defending clients who (in official corporate Scientology’s case) are telling the truth to these high paid Scientology lawyers!

    Of course, Scientology leaders are LYING! Their lawyers, are an abomination of our USA legal system loopholes.

    This is truly a pivotal moment in truth in history.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    I’m sure someone else in these 1,753 comments might have mentioned this, I am sorry, I simply cannot read all the comments to find out, but Hubbard wrote a bulletin called “Are You Waiting for the Emeter to Play Dixie?”

    The video you included of the young man singing “She thinks my emeter is sexy” is a refreshing variant of Hubbard’s voluminous writings on every angle of his movement members’ behavior.

    This young man singing in this classic video, which cutting edge shows behavior that is truly NOT officially sanctioned, this young man will likely get in some hot water with his local Mission or Org’s “Ethics Officer” once he gets turned in; but this video by this young man is unique in this looser, somewhat, atmosphere.

    The elitist sub group of members who can afford this new meter, will imagine all sorts of things which they think their fellow young co-Scientologists might be thinking, about this new “Ultra Mark 8″ emeter!

    Anyways, this “She thinks my Emeter is sexy” surely beats Hubbard’s “Are you waiting for the Emeter to Play Dixie?”

    And historically, Hubbard’s longest term faithful spouse, Mary Sue, was a Texan!

  • Estine

    I wonder why Lamont Jefferson and Monique Rathbun are referred to by their first names yet Richard Cedillo and David Miscavige are referred to by their last names.

    • L. C. Spencer

      Because there’s only one Cedillo and one Miscavige, but there are two Jeffersons and two Rathbuns.

  • Bella Legosi

    It makes me so ill to think that Co$ can even think they are worthy of an Anti-SLAPP consideration. Jesus the Kool Aid is strong with this cult. They have no shame. No mercy. No humanity. They have perverted and twisted our legal system for far too long. Meanwhile abuse and disconnection continue unabated, destroying the minds and spirit of all families involved. Just makes me truly sick.

  • Sydjazz

    That poor kid :(

  • Estine

    I wonder why my comment was deleted? I saw in my Disqus that a response was made but when I clicked on it I got a message that said “access forbidden” or something weird. I would say what my comment was but why bother.