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HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Sunday Funnies: Scientology celebrates the holidays!

KadieSmallWhile Boing Boing recently went bananas over a single piece of Scientology mail (which itself consisted of only a single line of writing), our loyal readers here at the Underground Bunker know that week in and week out, we bring you a mother lode of wacky Scientology mailers that we call Sunday Funnies.

And this week, we have quite a haul. From San Diego to Scotland, we have quite a collection of notices put out by various Scientology organizations as they do their best to convince members to sign up for courses or make donations.

As usual, we look forward to your interpretations and close readings of these nutty fliers.

Let’s start in England where folks are thrilled now that the Golden Age of Tech Phase II has been released!

 
SaintHillCompletions

 
Hey, we always want you to give us your money, but especially right now!

 
UncleSamFlier

 
We only wish we could have attended this party last night…

 
SanDiegoIdeal

 
We hadn’t actually heard of any of the world’s top comedians, but maybe you have…

 
StandUpFlier

 
The Lakers? This is a new one on us…

 
LindaLombardo

 
“Abstract emotionalism”? Don’t remember that one from art history class…

 
RichardGrieco

 
Hey, they’re building a purif in Scotland…

 
ScotReno

 
These folks have turned over a ton of money with honors

 
UKIdeal

 
‘Tis the season to pay for the purif in Scotland!

 
PurifSanta

 
Insouciant? “I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means.”

 
Kadie

 
Higher IQ in only a week! Where do we sign up!

 
StevenHallock

 
Once again, we’re grateful to our tipsters. Keep those fliers coming!

 
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Karen de la Carriere on Quentin Hubbard

Another interesting video from Karen de la Carriere…

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 15, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Truthiwant

    Satire is a great way of conveying the truth. I have written a few little episodes that I think reveal, sarcastically, who Scientologists think they are.

    Here is the first of them that is called ‘Communication’.

    “Hi everybody, I’m a Scientologist.

    Since becoming a Scientologist, I am able to communicate better and I am more competent in making mysef understood.

    I’m an OT VIII. That means that I have reached the highest level in my religion and the realization that I now know that I know that I know.

    That’s the great thing about being an OT VIII. You know who you are because you are who you know who you are, and knowing that you know who you are means that you really are who you are because you are certain of who you really are beacause you really are who you really are.

    Infact, now that I know I am as I should be, I am able to always be the way I should be and I’m sure that I am as I should be because I now know exactly how I should be and as I am now sure that I should be as I am, I am sure that I should be as I am because I know that I am as I should be because…

    Well, I can’t wait for OT IX. Ron says that people are even more able to communicate .

    I hope it comes out soon!”

    • Truthiwant

      Who’s my downvoter?
      Almost consistently now, when I post something, I instantly get a down vote. Maybe I should feel thrilled!

      • Interested

        I noticed tht and wondered why

        • Truthiwant

          Maybe I have offended a Scientologist!

          • Scream Nevermore

            Good job!

          • Interested

            Feel good?

            • Truthiwant

              It does, yes!

      • KJP in Portland

        I was about to type and tell whoever to erase that downvote. NOT called for.

        • Truthiwant

          Not called for…unless the person is a Scientologist!

          One of the first things I noticed when I was ‘in’ was that all these Scientologists had a very restricted sense of humour.

          • Anonymous

            Restricted?

            More like nonexistent.

            It’s been audited out of them.

            • Truthiwant

              I was being kind….so that I didn’t get another down vote!

            • Anonymous

              Those down votes only mean you are impinging and winning

              (heh.)

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              When we get down-voted our stats are up.
              When we get up-voted, our stats are up.

              A win-win situation.

            • ClamInAHalfshell

              Enturbulate on, baby! ;)

            • KJP in Portland

              Each downvote is a WIN.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            You remember perhaps, that hubbard defined ‘humor’ as ‘rejection.’

            So if you are laughing at scientology, it is a rejection of scientology.

            So scientology has become a vast wasteland of frightened humorless oh-so-serious

      • Drat

        Maybe they programmed a bot.

        • Robert Eckert

          This is probably the correct answer. I remember when Debbie Downer latched on to Douglas and wouldn’t let go. Every post of his got a down-arrow quicker than it finished down-loading to my screen.

      • Captain Howdy

        They can’t handle the truth that subconsciously they really want.

      • ClamInAHalfshell

        Personally, I am jealous. Where are my downvotes? Nobody hates me.

        *pouts*

        • Robert Eckert

          I’m just a Poe boy, nobody hates me

          [chorus] He’s just a Poe boy, from a Poe family!

  • Midwest Mom

    An Update!

    A Message from the Fearless Leader

    Dear Warriors,

    It’s time fer all wee brained clams tae celebrate the HAPI HAPI JOY JOY of the Season fer Giving!

    Senior warrior Hamish MacPauper has shown his brave heart by donatin’ a mouthful of his gold fillings and also, those of his auld an invalid clan, teeth and all, to the cause of raising money fer our HAPI campaign. He has offered tae help any and all who are interested in doing the same and has his own nifty set of hand tools tae assist his efforts. LRH would be very proud of Hamish, indeed!

    Gertrude Haggisbreath wants tae tell ya how to git huge wins from helping out with the buildin’ of the Putrification Centre:

    “Awrite! Am so pleased tae share with ya mince heids HAPI HAPI JOY JOY! Ye want huge wins? Touch the wall! Thenk ye! Touch the plaster! Thenk ye! Levitate the pipes! Thenk ye! Levitate the cludgie! Thenk ye! Coorie up! Huge wins fer awbidy – can ye gies a haund? Ye wanna get ya Supre Powres, dontcha? A tell ye, wee COB – Hell slap it inae ye! Gie it laldy an gie tae the hoose org an give all ye got! Give a muckle! Just doo eet!”

    Thenk ye, Gert! Much win from such a wee lass!

    Iaaaiaiaian Dunderheid has won the “HAPI JOY Shatter an Confront Award” for much excellence in downvotin’ on interwebz hate sites. Heckuva guid job, Iaaaiaiaian! Keep up with the hoachin’ shatterin’ of natterin’ wogs! Ye can pick up ye award, a fine certificate, at the next meetin’! Mavis Eegit will serve a lovely haggis pudding as a treat! Mmmm.

    Remember: Yer Status Depends on yer Donations and Yer Eternity Depends on Yer Status!

    Clear yer accounts an Clear the Planet! Don’t forget tae charge up yer charge an debit cards! Gie Mair! Mair! Mair! Failin’ means yer pullin’ it in, ya neep heids!

    Respectfully submitted by yer Fearless Leader

    Many Hip Hips an Hoorays tae Elleraitch!

    • KJP in Portland

      Damn fine job on this one! I’m still wiping up the coffee that got up my nose from laughing. Very well done!

      • Midwest Mom

        x o x o

    • PoisonIvyHerself

      Brilliant Mom!

      • Midwest Mom

        o x o x

    • Baby

      OMG.. Mom.. this is hysterical as I can just imagine him writing and reading this! hahaha Thanks

      • Midwest Mom

        x x o o

    • Great White Clam

      Moar update;

      The ould man AKALRH was ina dream it and was also in it that that C.O.B. dwarf DM. And the dwarf was not what earlier thought the dwarf DM to be. Because in the dream the dwarf was also DM in real life but in tha dream not a real life living being’ the dwarfs beingness was that of a doll body remoately controled by LRH from Target Two. (theres high level tech on this) The doll body was teh dwarf in the dream, but was not at cause or doing what it was designed to do. It was at effect. It had become into a liability.non.e condition. Years of abusce from drinkin rotmind liquor and being exclusivly associated with small and tightly knit groupes who routinely SCOHB and boast about it had devistated the real live dwarf body and so doll body was nececessary to impliment. But…….

      This was no good omen for LRH looking back on Teegeeack from Target Two. LRH looked back and wheazed zes and zes wheazed “WTF is that C.O.B. midget motherf*cker f*cking up nao?” In the dream a spacial report was given to LRH on SO#1 (STANDARD seakret line); Oh shit! LRH says……. LRH is (now) pissed (again) and respond with rage; IM ANGRY REAL ANGRY (forgetting the tek about being cause rather than effect) Teh handle of the sekrit line heats up because LRH feesl bad, BAD REAL BAD TOMMY DAVIS BAD because shit just looks bad.

      Thatis where whee stan today.

      More report follow.

      Stan bye.

      • riotgrrrl

        woah man,. dude yer blowing my mind!

      • ClamInAHalfshell

        Niiiiiice! :)

    • Captain Howdy

      That’s a BINGO!

      • Midwest Mom

        o o x x

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Hilarious letter. But you’ll never win at tic tac toe with that strategy.

          • Midwest Mom

            x x x

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              That’s a BINGO! Or whatever you say upon winning tic tac toe.

    • Rita Gregory

      :D

    • ClamInAHalfshell

      Hoots bu’ tha’s a thing ‘a’ beauty.

      • Midwest Mom

        Thenk ye!

    • DodoTheLaser

      Thanks for making grumpy Dodo smile, Midwest Mom.

  • Eclipse-girl

    Early Yesterday, HIEDI came and asked how to deal with what she though was a “professional troll”. It was Lifter1968

    Thanks to PrefertobeAnon2 for linking this.

    I was deliberately ignoring this thread as it was pretty old, and only Lifter or 6Dog were the ones who were writing replies to my old posts.

    • Midwest Mom

      E.C. I don’t see the link.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I will add it . I did not include the link.

    • KJP in Portland

      Figures.

      Did you see my post about how I noticed ‘she’ didn’t even acknowledge anyone of us or our responses to her question???

      If you add up all our time typing up responses; we probably wasted a collective 5-6 hours trying to answer her…all for no ‘thank you’ or other response.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Not yet. going to try and read through the who 900 + comments to get it in the right order, which DISCUS has a habit of messing up.

        • KJP in Portland

          Seriously, she just showed up and tossed ONE question, and then everyone here was going back and forth for the next two hours giving her advice. She didn’t come back for a 2nd post, or thank anyone, or anything. By 3 hours later, it hit me…

          I was like, WTF? She never came back and read or thanked any one of us that took the time to help her out.

          I feel like admonishing her next time she shows up.

          • Midwest Mom

            Why? Admonishing her for not saying thank you? No need for that, mate.

            • KJP in Portland

              I’m sure someone else might anyway. By the end of the day, I just thought it was kinda rude to hit and run like that, and waste all these people’s time.

            • Snippy_X

              KJP – what part of the word troll …

            • KJP in Portland

              Yeah yeah…I know…

            • KJP in Portland

              Spank me!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              KJP you’re looking like you’re easily trolled. Maybe someone really does not like what you post, but it’s more likely you’re being down voted because you react to it in such a way. Ignore it and move on dude.

            • KJP in Portland

              Yeah, I’m good. Just amused. I’m ok. Thanks Jimmy.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              It’ll only happen more and more if it appears that you’re bothered by it. Next time, don’t even acknowledge that your post got a downie.

            • Midwest Mom

              It wasn’t a waste of time. It resulted in a lot of helpful advice, actually. Also, you never know what is going on in someone’s real life after they post something. People have kids who get ill or have jobs with 12 hour shifts, spouses to pay attention to, etc.

              Not everyone spends a lot of time on a blog site comment section. She probably was also hoping for some back-up.

              It’s not anything to get upset about, right? :)

            • KJP in Portland

              Crush on me?

          • ThetaBara

            That’s why they call it trolling. Don’t waste your time.
            I haven’t seen so many trolls since I used to play Dungeons & Dragons in high school!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I haven’t seen so many trolls since I quit World of Warcraft!

          • KJP in Portland

            Ya love me and ya know it…

      • KJP in Portland

        Win!

      • Rita Gregory

        I think the first response she received was the rude one. Maybe it chased her off. I noticed she hadn’t made very many comments on her disqus account, so who knows.

    • KJP in Portland

      And while I did answer her (as so many others did), I was suspicious from the start…

      • KJP in Portland

        Win.

    • Scream Nevermore

      Lifter tried to get me to talk earlier – zero interest here!

      • KJP in Portland

        I didn’t even engage. I’m tired of ‘them’…I just cold-shouldered his ass.

        • KJP in Portland

          Another WIn!

  • KJP in Portland

    I forgot to turn FB on. It’s up now…sorry for the deelay.

    • KJP in Portland

      WIN

  • Eclipse-girl

    Tony, this LIFTER character is debasing you directly, now

    I will not copy and paste his insults.

    • Captain Howdy

      Ignoring the trolls should include not writing comments about them. This admonition applies to me also.

      • Eclipse-girl

        You think I should erase this? I will. I just wanted Tony to have a heads up.

        • MaxSpaceman

          He’ll get heads up w/o Bunkeroos posting here. Back channels media twitter email et al.

        • SandiCorrena

          I think Tony has magical eyes in back of his head, like our mothers used to when we were little, but I also think he probably appreciates the affection and the protective nature of the bunker regulars. <3

        • Captain Howdy

          Don’t erase it and my comment was just my opinion.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Right. Includes here.

    • Midwest Mom

      Tony has dealt with clams who have crushes on him before and this one clearly wants Tony’s attention Let’s not give this cheeto head any more attention.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Lifter is just after a response, best not to waste time. If anyone reading his/her comments looks at Tony’s blog they can figure out for themselves.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I totally agree with you. Do not engage.

        I found it a juvenile tactic to respond to posts what were several days old. In fact, with one of my posts I think there are three responses.

        I just wanted Tony to know.

        • ThetaBara

          Even talking about the trolls feeds them.

          • MaxSpaceman

            ultra tru-dat

          • KJP in Portland

            Well, at least we’re enjoying a troll-free hour or two right now…aaaaahhhhhhh.

            • Anonymous

              It is Sea Org dinnertime in Florida right now.

            • KJP in Portland

              WIN

    • Rita Gregory

      He did it on here yesterday and I believe that one of the comments about Tony was the only one Tony left up. Tony knows.

  • wannabeclear

    Apparently being a $cientologist doesn’t help your spelling. DEDUCTIBLE.

    • Great White Clam

      Whares teh duck tape when ah needs it?

  • Jimmy Threetimes

    The Booking of An International Headliner

    STAFFER: I’m calling to see if Samba Chutte would be available for an event we’re planning on December 12th.

    AGENT: Who?

    STAFFER: I’m looking at a list here that has you representing Mr. Samba Chutte.

    AGENT: Oh! Oh, right, sorry! Yes, he is my client and he’s hot and getting hotter. I’ll have to check and get back to you on his availability for the 12th.

    STAFFER: That would be great! We would so love to have an international headliner at our event!

    AGENT: International headliner?! Good Lord, what has he been arrested for?!!

    STAFFER: What?

    AGENT: Sorry, lousy reception here. I will get back to you shortly.

    AGENT hangs up the phone.

    AGENT: Doris! Have a look and see if I represent someone named Santa Chutte.

    • Anonymous

      That’s some seriously funny dialog there…

      • Robert Eckert

        Better than the world-famous comedians, I bet.

    • i-Betty

      Hur hur :P

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    Fearless Leader?!

    This is the kind of thing that’s difficult to make fun of because it parodies itself. How can you go any farther than the leader of the cult actually calling himself “Fearless Leader”?

    • ze moo

      Fearless Leader is afraid of giving depositions……nahh, nahh…..

      • Ardent

        Precisely what came into my mind’s eye!

  • Jeb Burton

    Living here in Clearwater, I never see those big smiles when I’m downtown. I think a more representative picture would be someone who refuses to make eye contact and walks rapidly down the street, going where I dont know very quickly. I would love to go see some of the world’s great comedians. How many that claim that they appear at the Comedy Store, did one night on amateur night or open mic, and never did another gig”?

    • Great White Clam

      Safe to say that they wernt laughed off the stage.

  • KJP in Portland

    Which Lakers wife was Linda Lombardo?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Stephen J. Lombardo, M.D. He’s a team physician. (And no, touch assists did not heal Kobe’s torn achilles)

      • KJP in Portland

        OK, thank you. I didn’t remember any Lombardos on the playing squad.

      • Missionary Kid

        Is he actually a $cion, or is it only Linda?

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I have no idea, but I imagine that is rare for a long-term, healthy marriage to exist where one spouse is a serious clam and the other is not. I can say with certainty, from what I have learned following the srs bizness of professional sports, that no front office would put up with any Scientology bullshit when it comes to the health of athletes that they are paying 7 or 8 digits a year.

  • Jo

    COS should really update their site. Anyway here’s Northern Ireland Mission pics :)

    • MaxSpaceman

      Well done, Special Agent Jo, for UBA (Underground Bunker Affairs)! Thank you, JoJo!

      • Jo

        I should really check it out, it’s only 50 miles away but the pic says it all.

        • aquaclara

          Thanks! Great pics!

    • i-Betty

      That’s a beautiful picture. I’ve gone all misty eyed!

      • Jo

        I know, Northern Ireland is clear :)

    • Sydjazz

      To let hehehe

    • Missionary Kid

      I thought that it would be appropriate for the sign to say, “Toilet” instead of “To Let” for the $cion rental.

  • OT8squared

    Linda Lombardo is working to promote the Universal Declaration of Human rights. If you want
    to read the declaration, here is the link:
    http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

    If she wants to promote these rights, she can start with Scientology, because they seem to be in violation of several.

    Article 4.

    No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all
    their forms.

    Holding someone responsible for a billion year contract they signed when they were 11, charging them money for freeloader debt if they leave and pressuring their family to cut off contact if they don’t pay the debt
    sounds a lot like slavery to me.

    Article 5.
    ·
    No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

    Sleeping under a desk, fed from the garbage and being made to run around a pole for hours for minor infractions sounds a lot like cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment to me.

    Article 9.
    ·
    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

    Where is COB’s wife again?

    Article 12.
    ·
    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or
    correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the
    right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

    Those Whois_____? Sites look a lot like attacks upon honor and reputation. Squirrel Busters
    certainly interfere with privacy, family and home. Reading Sea Org members mail would qualify as
    interference with correspondence.

    Article 13.
    ·
    (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
    ·
    (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

    Eliminating home passes as punishment and requiring sec checks before and after the visits you do allow sounds a lot like restricting freedom of movement to me. And how can someone exercise his/her right to leave a country if you keep his/her passport locked up?

    Article 16.
    ·
    (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the
    right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
    ·
    (2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
    ·
    (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by
    society and the State.

    Forcing abortions on Sea Org members definitely denies them the right to found a family.

    Article 18.
    ·
    Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to
    change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

    How does disconnection comply with the freedom to change your religion?

    Article 19.
    ·
    Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold
    opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

    Not allowing members to read anything negative about Scientology would seem to restrict their right to receive information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

    Article 23.
    ·
    (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions
    of work and to protection against unemployment.
    ·
    (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
    ·
    (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his
    family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
    ·
    (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

    How much are Sea Org members paid again?

    Article 24.
    ·
    Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and
    periodic holidays with pay.

    Does forcing teenagers to work 100 hours a week qualify as a reasonable limitation of working hours?

    • aegerprimo

      This is a keeper for repost to educate lurkers and those looking to leave the Co$.
      OT8xOT8 thank you for posting this!

      • OT8squared

        My pleasure.

    • Rita Gregory

      Copied for future use. Thank you!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Evidence of the amazing internal disconnect that scientologists experience.

      We, (I), could profess to support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, while having experienced personally many of these specific violations of human rights in the course of our career in scientology.

      And never make a connection of my own specific experiences with the principals in the declaration.

  • ze moo

    Is it just me or does the San Diego Org first floor look like the showroom for a rent to own furniture store? At least it has a future use…..

  • Anonymous

    “The Hatchet” is the student newspaper of George Washington University.

    Here is a link to a 2005 article in that newspaper, talking about Dr. Hubbard:

    http://www.gwhatchet.com/2005/09/02/l-ron-hubbard-gw-scientology/

    Be prepared to see the Scientology PR machine at full throttle.

    • MaxSpaceman

      ‘Tis a shame that it’s not just “general knowledge” worldwide, that $cientology does *not* have Sunday Services.

      ” The museum is just a block away from the current D.C. Church of Scientology, where parishioners receive lessons and Sunday services in a lush mansion, also full of artifacts from Hubbard’s life. ”

      • Sydjazz

        They say they do lol

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        If a covert survey of the general populace shows people associate ‘actual religion’ with ‘sunday service’ then the OSA PR who is in charge of ‘public image’ will ensure that the minimum is done to give an acceptable truth appearance of scientology having a ‘sunday service.’

        The ‘sunday service’ that is held will be designed to portray some of the more ‘spiritual’ and high-sounding blather of hubbard as their core beliefs and thus fool people into believing it is something like the sunday service they expect.

        But, the scientologists who are dragooned into attending, in case some non-scientologist or undercover journalist wanders in, will be enduring something they have heard many times and begrudging the time it steals from being on study or getting auditing.

        • Great White Clam

          Or washing clothes or resting/sleeping

        • Anonymous

          And remember the admonition of HelluvaHoax!:

          ” An acceptable truth shall set you free.”

      • Anonymous

        Yep – yet another of the elaborate hoaxes that Scientology continues to perpetrate in an attempt to garner support from the credulous…

    • Sydjazz

      He was a member of Pi Theta Xi, ahuh. Well written article thanks

    • Great White Clam

      Hatchet job

    • Missionary Kid

      I made a comment. It’s getting moderated, probably because I put a URL for Barefaced Messiah in it.

      Good to see some familiar names there.

  • marti

    The Stand-up Comedy Night’s international headliner Samba Chutte’s name is misspelled in their ad.
    It’s Samba Schutte.

    • KJP in Portland

      What does Samba Schutte do?

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Marty has a new post up today:

    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/

    • Espiando

      More Martywank buttressing his credentials vis-a-vis the Evil Psychs and the intrinsic value of Infinity-Valued Logic. Nothing there that would alienate the recovering clubbed seals. He’s extricating himself slowly, and I’m willing to give him that chance. But with Marty, it’s two steps forward, a step and a half back.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I appreciate Marty’s self-described evolution.

        And he makes some good points.

        But the faux ‘gravitas’ he smears over everything is a little cloying.

        • Anonymous

          You put your whole self in

          You take your whole self out

          You put your whole self in

          And you shake it all about

          You do the hokey pokey

          And mix in a bit of Tao

          That’s what it’s all about

          • Missionary Kid

            While I’m not going to capture that for the Poetry list I have (it’s not directly about $cientology), it brought forth a good snickersnort from my lips.

            • Anonymous

              But it IS about Marty…doesn’t that at least get an Honorable Mention?

            • Missionary Kid

              Here it is: Honorable mention! O.K., that wasn’t meant to be sarcastic, it’s just that I’m not collecting things about Marty & Mike and publishing them. I will save it, though, somewhere else.

              I’ve got one comment that I saved about Marty’s blog:
              Marty’s Quantum Zen Den.
              I think it was Espi who coined that.

            • Anonymous

              I got a down vote for the parody…that’s worth more than all the Honorable Mentions in the world…but thanks anyway!

            • Missionary Kid

              I have it copied, it’s just not on one of the lists that I post.
              Congratulations!

            • Anonymous

              Once again, I am honored.

          • ThetaBara

            That’s actually deeper than it sounds – the word “repent” comes from words meaning “to turn around.” ;-)

            • Anonymous

              Interesting…thanks for the deep dive…I love that kind of info.

        • Cat Daddy

          he who is

          first stone and stuff

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Well Okay. Didn’t realize that. Thanks for the feedback.

        • StatusLevelUp

          Some people are just like that. One way to look at it is that he may want to keep writing books, and he may feel like he needs more gravitas to stay professional. Or something.

      • Cat Daddy

        he my homie

      • KJP in Portland

        I just hang out here and John P’s…

        I’m just not very familiar with those guys sorry.

        I feel comfortable here. I always stay within my comfort zone.

        • StatusLevelUp

          Rinder’s blog is quite good… check it out sometime.

          Rathbun’s is still a little too pro-LRH, but it’s showing signs of being more open minded.

          • SandiCorrena

            very well said! I do love Mike’s blog!

        • Eclipse-girl

          I read Rinder because it is daily. I rarely comment.

          Marty has been very infrequent of late

          • Robert Eckert

            A very active court case and a new baby might be two reasons the blog has slipped down the list of priorities.

            • Eclipse-girl

              ABSOLUTELY

        • ThetaBara

          Rinder has great inside info, often worth reading. I don’t recommend most of the comments.

      • Robert Eckert

        It’s “Qualum Mechanics”: that Quantum Mechanics but everything is qualitative instead of quantitative, because math is hard, and without the math you can be vague.

    • xoxoxoxoxoxox

      Marty understands Aristotelian logic, Taoism, quantum physics, psychology! And how each relates to the others!

      If he wasn’t so fucking stupid he’d realize that noone in their right minds is going to believe this sort of obvious bollocks. Not even nutters who think Hubbard knew the first thing about nuclear physics.

      • StatusLevelUp

        He is doing a lot to help our cause right now, so some respect for those efforts might be appropriate

        • xoxoxoxoxoxox

          You like the fact he’s fighting Miscavige therefore you don’t think his attempts to be a profound intellectual are comical? I don’t follow your reasoning. Maybe I’m stuck in that pesky 2 valued Aristotelian logic.

          • StatusLevelUp

            Yes

  • Baby

    OK.. We downloaded Apple Quick time ( we have Dell) for Tom/ Cat.. and it comes up

    Invalid URL Now what? Damn it..

    • DodoTheLaser

      X out every open browser and try again. It worked for me.

      • Baby

        That did it Dodo.I am sorry I was watching it and was afraid to answer you in case I screwed it up..hahhaha hilarious.. xoxo thanks honey.. xo

        • DodoTheLaser

          You are very welcome :)

    • ThetaBara

      Are you using this link?
      http://vid.unitedtalent.com/tomkat

      • Baby

        Thank you Theta.. I couldn’t come back to answer because I was watching it.. Hilarious..

        My hubby and I doing this together was hysterical..Neither of us are Tech smart.. But I loved it..hhahahahha

  • Cat Daddy
    • KJP in Portland

      I wanted to see those lips fall off at the finale!

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I have authorization from the mothership to report a MonkeyKnickers sighting. Your lucky correspondent was able to convey presents, cookies and other stuff forwarded by bunkerites, into her care.

    She reports she is fat and pregnant and that a handsome man carried her packages. I’m not sure who she is talking about.

    • Eclipse-girl

      TY for what you have done for us, and MK

    • HolyCash

      St Nick, maybe? Thanks for the mothership report.

      • ThetaBara

        Michael is definitely one of Santa’s Helpers this year! :-D

    • KJP in Portland

      Tell MKn ‘hello’ for me. I hope to meet her when we all get together sometime in the not-so-distant future…

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      oh what wonderful news, handsome man!

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks, Michael. You’re providing a valuable service. We all love MonkeyKnickers here.

    • Ardent

      Thanks, Michael.

    • Ruby

      Thank you, Michael…you handsome man! :)

    • aquaclara

      Thanks, you handsome angel! And thank you for the generous use of your PO box, too.
      Sending you smooches and hugs! For all you do, and for being such a cutie-pie.

      <3

  • KJP in Portland

    …I’m sure getting a lot of downvotes, er, I mean love, in the past hour. Heidi come back to torch me?

    If it’s one of my contemporaries here, lemme know, I’m flexible…

    • Midwest Mom

      Don’t let it get to you! One little down vote doesn’t matter. You get more up votes than down votes, so let’s focus on the ups in life! Chin up! ;)

      • KJP in Portland

        (I’m kidding) It happens when I get trolled. I’m giggling it off!

        But, IF I did said something bad. I’m flexible. Let me know. I always apologize for my mistakes.

        • Midwest Mom

          We all get down votes. When people disagree with something, they may find it easier to give a down vote than to voice their opinion with a comment. It’s similar to someone shaking their head “no”. It’s no biggie.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I agree, but down voted to help prove your point.

            • Midwest Mom

              I see your shatter and raise you some confront!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              No, I’m cashing out of the game. Someone has down voted me and I will find out who dunnit.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              I raise you 2 J&D and call you on the confront.

    • Jo

      I wouldn’t worry KPJ, it’s only a down vote. Someone is enturbulated, sorry it took me ages posting that. I have dyslexia and I couldn’t find that word in the dictionary. I’m not joking about the dyslexia.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      It’s not me, KJP but I agree, some random enturbulator. What a fun Sunday activity for the little darling!

      • KJP in Portland

        I got to go out and walk my dog and enjoy my freedom just a bit ago! If they don’t like us, there’s always the TELETUBBIES website ;)

        • Rita Gregory

          Ha! Every time My hubby is watching something gross on tv and I complain about it, he asks if I need to turn to the teletubbies. :)

    • ThetaBara

      That’s what the socks that get lost in the dryer go on to do.

  • Cat Daddy

    Slappy’s retirement place

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfxcu82_7vU

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      That looks like it might be on the “freewinds” and that is Sharon Webber speaking I think.

      Didn’t scientology’s last attempt, IIRC, in Morocco go bad? Hubbard wanted his own country. If Miscavige thinks he can worm his way into the Columbian Military as a way of controlling the country, I think he won’t have a snowballs chance in hell of having any stable influence.

      That would not just be a footbullet, that would be a bullet to the head.

      • Cat Daddy

        No this is going on for a while and it IS on the freewinds

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          I wrote my note while just seeing the first part of the video.

          What the hell is this “Human Rights School”?

          It’s seems connected to the “Youth for Human Rights” front group.

          This Columbian Captain is really chugging the Kool-Aide. I wonder how far up the military chain of command in Colombia this influence goes.

          Will they put “Captain Miscavige” above their own Generals? Ohh, that’s bad news in any language.

          I see this going very, very bad. Not just mental damage, but bloody, guns and bombs and shattered bodies bad.

          I hope I am wrong.

  • xoxoxoxoxoxox

    Karen is not making sense. She says in the 1980s Flag took people with cancer because they just wanted the $$$$. So they took Grace. But then how could Grace have been sleeping in Quentin Hubbard’s room in the 1980s when he died in 1976?

    L. Ron Hubbard was furious at the news of Quentin’s death. He shouted, “That stupid fucking kid! Look what he’s done to me!”. Not a great humanitarian. Not even a functioning human being.

  • http://www.skippress.com/ Skip Press

    About those tax “deductable” things touted by Uncle Sam above. Although they used an antiquated alternate spelling, most people spell it deductible. Makes me wonder where the person who designed that poster is from. Teegeeack, maybe?

    • aegerprimo

      I guess.. they don’t ever use spellcheck and don’t edit.

  • Lurkness

    Not sure it is posted yet, but the major South African whale (Gaye Corbett) recently declared with the rest of their family has started commenting at SAs Getting back in Comms. The take on the Super Power Fraud is consistent with Tony’s long-standing $200M raised for SP Building that cost about $40M.


    Gaye Corbett
    on December 15, 2013 at 6:52 am said:
    Debbie certainly opened the eyes of a lot of Scientologists and receiving her letter was the turning point that made us start to look and question what was happening inside the church of Miscavage. It is a pitty that she never revealed what has happened to the money, ( your IAS donations etc) I know a lot is used on the ” defense” of our dear leader in the various court cases being fought but where has the rest gone. It involves many millions of dollars…… Just add up the Patrons and Patron Meritorious that are listed in the Source Magazine.
    And while I am on that subject just add up the corner stone membership, not counting double and treble like Ernest and myself and you will find over $200 mil there, yet the building only cost in the region of $40 mil. So where did the rest go. If you ARE the IAS then you have a right to know where the money has gone.
    Unfortunately the Church of Scientology has become a business and has lost the purpose of making OTs. It is all about the money and the whole of Gat11 is about fleecing more money off of the same poor suckers that think this is LRHs intention. It will fail just as GAT 1 failed. I just hate to see the guys trapped inside the Gerbil wheel and paying for it with their hard earned money so that the farce can continue.
    I hope this makes you look and not listen to the lies that are being told for in the end the truth will prevail.
    Isn’t it heartening to know that the tech is still available to all outside the ” church” and OT is within the grasp of all despite the squiring of the tech inside the ” church”
    Perhaps the readers would like to know more about that.”

    http://backincomm.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/miscaviges-church-losing-control-in-south-africa/#comments

    • StatusLevelUp

      WOW

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      A point I noticed in Debbie Cook’s email was that she described the IAS funds as being used as INT Reserves:

      LRH lists there the INTERNATIONAL ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP and gives its cost at 10
 pounds sterling or $30 US. He also lists a LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP which is
 priced at $75 US. There are no other memberships or statuses approved or 
known to LRH.

      Furthermore, membership monies are supposed to go directly to the org where 
the membership is signed up, and the money used for dissemination by that 
org, in that area.

      This is covered in HCOPL 1 Sept 1965R Membership
 Policies.

      “It all goes into the HCO Book Account in the area where the membership is 
brought and is not part of the organization’s weekly gross income.
 Membership monies go to dissemination”. – LRH

      Currently membership monies are held as Int reserves and have grown to well
 in excess of a billion dollars. Only a tiny fraction has ever been spent, in
 violation of the policy above. Only the interest earned from the holdings 
have been used very sparingly to fund projects through grants. In fact many 
of the activities you see at IAS events are not actually funded by the IAS,
 but rather by the Scientologists involved.

      (From Tony’s Blog: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/01/scientology_in_3.php )

      (Bold emphasis added)

      That would seem to be a violation of the trust, perhaps. And might possibly bear on the Garcia case.

      • Lurkness

        By the way, Gaye Corbett was writing in response to this video about Debbie Cook (and of course Debbie’s bombshell email that still reverberates and causes so many to LOOK and then leave.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rzK2v6iNag

  • riotgrrrl

    dear wee john gee,
    sorry we have to use our resources here at north pole industries to provide presents to good boys and girls. instead we are sending you a discarded christmas tree with a pug in it.
    thanks for the laugh,
    santa

  • xoxoxoxoxoxox

    Karen. How did Grace sleep in Quentin’s room at Flag in the 1980s when he died in 1976?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      This xoxoxo character seems to have a hard-on for Karen, as his latest posts always seem to concern her. But he is absolutely right in regard to this video, and it seems like an inconsistency that should be addressed.

      • Espiando

        I think she meant to say that Grace slept in Quentin’s old room, not with Quentin in his room.

        • xoxoxoxoxoxox

          No, she says Quentin was sleeping on the floor. And that Grace wanted him as her auditor.

          • Sunny Sands

            That seems to be correct. Also, according to Karen, Grace is 75 – 80 years old and dying of cancer at this time. Grace has made a disastrous and fatal mistake to put her faith in auditing instead of medicine, and is probably realizing it. She is frightened at night, and reassured by someone in the room with her. That’s my take, anyway.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          But she says that Quentin was on the floor sleeping. And that she only wanted Quentin as her auditor. Perhaps Karen misremembered the time frame.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            And so that no one misunderstands, I am a fan of Karen’s videos and I am thinking that perhaps a mistake has been made. I am not calling her a liar and do not align myself with this xoxoxo guy who clearly has a grudge against her.

          • Observer

            Or maybe she simply misspoke and said 80s when she meant 70s, and it wasn’t caught during editing.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              That was what I was getting at. Thank you.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Maybe. But it has the effect of pushing the time when Flag was all about the $$$ forward to a time when Hubbard was (arguably) no longer “on lines”.

              While of course when Quentin died he was very much “on lines”.

            • Espiando

              If you have tooth fillings, I suggest you remove the tinfoil from your head and start chewing it. Maybe your head will start to clear up.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Thanks. You’re being very helpful today.

            • ShoopZ

              “While of course when Quentin died he was very much “on lines”.”

              Just for clarity…are you coming at this from the viewpoint that maybe Karen is protecting (the reputation of) Hubbard?

              Anyway, my first reaction to what Karen said is that she found out after the fact from confessional files that Grace was sleeping in Quentin’s room. If not, maybe she got the decades confused…maybe something else.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Yes. That’s the viewpoint I’m coming from. That she’s protecting Hubbard’s reputation and having a nasty swipe at Dennis Erlich in the process.

            • ShoopZ

              I suppose it’s possible. As a never-in relative newcomer I’m not up on all the ex-scilon intrigues. I never really got the impression from her videos that Karen was a Hubbard apologist.

            • Sunny Sands

              There were many obvious edits in this video, maybe the editing changed the time line.

    • ThetaBara

      Why don’t you ask her yourself over on youtube?

      • xoxoxoxoxoxox

        I’m not allowed to address you. But you are allowed to address me? Are you a real live princess or what?

  • xoxoxoxoxoxox

    Did “Old Guard” legend Dennis Erlich really precipitate Quentin Hubbard’s suicide?

    No, of course not.

    • Espiando

      Your Dead Agent routine is starting to become wearying.

      • xoxoxoxoxoxox

        I’m not dead agenting Dennis Erlich. I think someone else might be.

        • Espiando

          Really? Asking a leading question like that here isn’t Dead Agenting? You’re so full of shit it dribbles out of your ears.

          • xoxoxoxoxoxox

            Do you think Dennis Erlich precipitated Quentin Hubbard’s suicide? Really?

            • Espiando

              Then why post something like that unless you’re trying to put questions into people’s heads? And why are you so insistent on poking holes in Karen’s story? And is it a coincidence that you’re doing that less than a day after Karen blew open the story about the mass declares at AOLA?

              If it looks like shit, feels like shit, and stinks like shit, it’s probably shit.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              And I just happened to notice you didn’t say you agreed that Dennis Erlich precipitated Quentin Hubbard’s suicide.

              Which I consider a definite point in your favor.

            • Espiando

              What happened forty years ago isn’t something that I can investigate for myself. I don’t give a shit about what Erlich did or didn’t do. Quentin Hubbard is another victim of this cult. That’s all that matters. Assigning blame is now a historical matter. Nothing can be done about it from a legal standpoint since the statute of limitations has long run out.

              In other words, I don’t give a flying fuck about this. If someone’s got the smoking gun from the old GO files, then I’ll queue up for boarding.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Strange. You really seemed to give a flying fuck. And probably you should if a great critic of scientology is being calumnied.

            • Espiando

              I give a flying fuck about someone being Dead Agented. I don’t give a flying fuck about random speculation regarding a forty-year-old suicide. It’s called “priorities”.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              So you do care about Dennis Erlich being dead agented? Good.

            • Espiando

              Yes, I do. And I know when someone’s trying to do it. And by leaving loaded questions sitting on their own without any explanation or context, that’s exactly what you’re trying to do. Now piss off.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Probably. That’s the line of reasoning I’m applying to your posts anyway.

            • Espiando

              That presumes that you can apply reason in the first place. This assumption is called into doubt given everything you’ve posted in this thread. And you’ve admitted to a line of Dead Agenting already. You have been got, assclown. Now go away.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              No really I haven’t “admitted to Dead Agenting”. You are confused again. Or lying again.

            • Espiando

              Yes, you did. And I’ve got it on screenshot so Delete Fucking Everything Tech won’t work. Your credibility is in Non-Existence, and dropping down the Conditions with every post.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Would you care to just quote the bit where I said it? I haven’t deleted anything.

            • Espiando

              What? Hasn’t OSA taught you how to scroll up?

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              No. I didn’t have enough $$$ to buy that course. You have to do it in a very specific way as prescribed by Hubbard.

              But really. Why not just quote the bit where I “admitted to Dead Agenting”?

            • Espiando

              Your attempted application of Al Gore Tech was enough to prove your intentions. Bringing up “inconvenient truths” is a hallmark of Dead Agenting.

              You’ve failed. How much plainer can I make that? Just leave while you can still convince yourself that you have some dignity left.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              But really. Why not just quote the bit where I “admitted to Dead Agenting”?

              Oh yes. Because it doesn’t exist. Inconvenient but true.

            • Espiando

              You see, Scilon, we here in the real world don’t operate on literal levels and require Hubtard to do all of our thinking for us. We can do things like make inferences and create conclusions based upon evidence. Your own admissions was enough for my pin-sharp hyper-logical mind to come to the correct conclusion.

              You are attending a gun fight with a butter knife. Withdraw to a safe place, namely not on this board.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              I am truly scared now Mr Bunny. But what was the reason you can’t just quote the bit where I “admitted to Dead Agenting”?.

            • Espiando

              Because there is no literal quote, you Scilon fucktard. I explained the real workings of the human mind to you just now, not the ones some drugged-up Fifties SF hack writer said were true. Real human minds, at least the ones who are well-trained, are able to utilize evidence in front of them to reach a particular conclusion. And I am well-trained in doing this. I can spot things in written material that most people can’t or don’t.

              You have been attempting to Dead Agent Dennis and Karen. Period. You have made statements that, hidden just behind the literal text, show that you are consciously doing it. Now, as I’ve said before, fuck off.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              So there is no actual bit where I “admitted to Dead Agenting”. But nevertheless I somehow managed to make this admission without admitting it?

              As you said. If it smells like shit, etc.

            • Espiando

              Unlike in your sec checks, people do not have to make direct statements of culpability in order to show that they are culpable. You made a statement which is clear upon examination that you are attempting Dead Agenting.

              Go out and learn about the real world. There’s more to being a good OSA operative than is contained in the GO memoranda and Marty’s material.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Yes your wog procedure is so much better than our evil scilon one. With your wog procedure you can admit your guilt without ever admitting it! A very effective streamlining of the judicial process.

              How many holes have you got in your foot now? I lost count a while back.

            • Espiando

              Yes, our wog procedures allow us to convict without an admittance of guilt. It’s called “evidentiary procedure”. And you let enough evidence slip for me to convict you.

              I am judge, jury, and, as you’ve been seeing, executioner. Get ready to head to Target Two, OSA.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              I think you maybe have delusions of grandeur. Or possibly of adequacy.

            • Espiando

              One does not need delusions of grandeur when one is a truly superior person like me.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              However many holes it was in your foot, chalk up another.

            • Ardent

              You’re running rings around this mental midget. I admit to smiling, Espi. Nice work.

            • Robert Eckert

              We’ve all watched you, and know you for what you are.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              That sounds mildly pervy. And ultra-scary too, of course.

            • Robert Eckert
            • Ardent

              Yeah and his Trollness is really beginning to bother me. Jeeze Louise, why doesn’t the Troll just go back and eat a burrito?

            • Ardent

              Hey, Espi, buddy. Why not deprive the Troll of food? Just a thought.

            • Hara

              Good idea

            • grundoon

              You might consider doing that yourself, “buddy.”

    • Captain Howdy

      A 146 comments but I don’t recognize the name. What was it before?

      • xoxoxoxoxoxox

        It’s always been xoxoxoxoxoxox.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Going back years it seems. You brits sometimes are hard to read….and you obviously have a withhold regarding Karen!

          • Missionary Kid

            I’ll call it a hard-on.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              It’s not hard at all. It gets much bigger.

          • xoxoxoxoxoxox

            No. It’s Karen. She has overts.

            • Espiando

              Of course she does. No one exits this cult with clean hands. It’s what you do to wash them afterward that counts.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Coming clean does wonders if you want to be cleaner.

            • Espiando

              Then shut the fuck up about it and let Karen or Dennis or whoever else make the first move. Unless your purpose is to Dead Agent them, in which case, it’s not going to work over here. We’ve seen this bullshit before, and we know how to counter it.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              WIth tact, clarity and a scrupulous respect for others’ rights to their opinions, it appears.

              No, I’m joking. You just abuse them and hope they’ll go away and take their inconvenient truths with them.

            • Espiando

              So, therefore you’re admitting that you’re trying to Dead Agent Dennis and Karen. Nice of you to be honest for the first time in this thread.

              Now piss off and take your divisive pile of bullshit back to OSA Int and admit that you failed miserably.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              You’ve got confused somewhere along the line. My point is that I don’t for a minute buy Karen’s claim that Dennis Erlich had anything to do with Quentin Hubbard’s death.

            • Espiando

              Dead Agenting both of them by stirring the pot of shit is not the way to deal with it. It doesn’t work here. Leave.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              I don’t want to leave now. You’ve been so hospitable.

            • Espiando

              But you need to report to Linda Hamel that your mission tonight was a miserable failure. Fortunately you have until Thursday at 2 to get your stats back up. Try bringing this up over at Marty’s. They’re more gullible.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Oh yeah. I forgot about Linda. But she won’t care that I’ve failed miserably. We fake the stats so it makes no difference.

            • Espiando

              Then just fuck off and leave. Your work here is done. Destroyed to the foundations before they could be built upon, but done.

            • nottrue

              Karens got class.Your an Ass

          • Captain Howdy

            So it’s J.A? ; )

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              That flew right over my head, Captain.

            • Rita Gregory

              Mine too. Jack Ass?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Naw, I think I know who he meant now.
              I will just shut up.

            • Rita Gregory

              The upvote is for knowing, not the shut up. :)

            • Captain Howdy

              Nevermind.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Jeffrey Augustine. No I’m not him. That would be seriously weird.

              But actually, people have a right to their anonymity.

            • Captain Howdy

              Why would I think Jeffrey was an Englishman when I know he isn’t?

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              I didn’t think that. I thought it was a joke. Someone who has a withhold concerning Karen.

              So who is JA then?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Now, see….That is Funny!

            • Espiando

              Unless they’re a shit-stirring provocateur like you, in which case dragging you out from under your rock to expose you fully in the disinfecting sunlight is beneficial to all. Not to you, of course. You’ll shrivel up and die screaming. And I, for one, will sup on your final sweet, sweet tears.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              You are so delightful.

            • Espiando

              People here think I am. You don’t realize what you’re up against, OSA. Never, ever piss off a gay guy on psych drugs who has a white-knight streak.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              I’m struggling to accept that people here think you’re delightful. My suspicion is that they tolerate you grudgingly.

            • Espiando

              Would anyone else like to answer this fuckstick about that? I usually don’t like to blow my own horn that much.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              I know. It gives you back ache. But sometimes you can’t afford to pay someone.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I will. We kinda thought he was an asshole at first………….and then we realized…….heh…we are right.
              But he is ours. And we love him.

            • SandiCorrena

              Exactly!

            • Hara

              LOL:)

            • Eclipse-girl

              You are wrong. We have great affection for Espiando.
              He has a home here.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              You have to be a Christian, or something like that.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am an atheist.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              OK me too.

            • Espiando

              Since Scientologists don’t believe in a supreme being, other than Hubtard, that means that you’re not lying for once. So, you can go now and leave on a high note.

            • aquaclara

              Hahahahahaha.

            • KJP in Portland

              Dude, Espi is one of the core here. Ya think ya worn your welcome out yet?

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              I didn’t notice a welcome.

            • Espiando

              You got my version of it. Now I’m kicking your ass out of here, which is also part of my version of a welcome.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              I do struggle to see how you are going to perform a physical action like kicking over the internet. But I’m sure you’ve worked out the practicalities and it isn’t just more hot air.

            • Espiando

              I’m at Cause Over Everything. Marty said so. Therefore, I can perform feats that would make your Oat Tea Ates shit their little pants.

              Don’t test me.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Can you knock people’s hats off at a hundred paces like all the OTs can? Can you perform strangely useless feats involving cars and traffic lights like the OTs can? Can you convince yourself that all that money and time and misery was worthwhile like the OTs can? I thought not. Poor bunny.

            • Espiando

              Have you see any of them actually do stuff like that? Let’s face it, walking and chewing gum at the same time is beyond any OTVIII. A half a million bucks to make yourself less capable of all human functions. That’s why your philosophy and your alleged church sucks and is considered a complete and utter joke in any intellectual milleu.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Yebbut we don’t care about those intellectual milieus. They’re totally up themselves with their concepts and thinking and all that. You wouldn’t like them either.

            • Espiando

              Ooooooh, burn. I’ll put up my physics degree from a US News And World Report Top Ten University against your high-school dropout credentials any day, punk. Yes, an actual physics degree, not like the one Hubtard said he had.

              You’re running out of ad hominem arguments. Time to go to bed, bitch.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Congratulations on your degree. I would honestly never have guessed.

            • Espiando

              I’m full of surprises, spunk-stain. And I have far more up my sleeve than you can imagine.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              You have spunk stains up your sleeve? Now that isn’t a surprise.

            • Espiando

              It’s not my fault that Bill Yaude gets excited when he stops by for his weekly “sec check”.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Yeah Bill’s a bit of a spurter. You should see him when we do “Hip hip hooray”.

              Or “hip, hip, Hooooooooooooooray, oh shit, not again” as Bill calls it.

            • Robert Eckert

              Of course you would not guess things. That would require more intelligence than you are showing.

            • Midwest Mom

              Marcotai took off with the welcome mat. Remember him?

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Yes. They’ll steal anything that isn’t nailed down. And sell it to buy courses. Or pay for ideal orgs.

            • Espiando

              When Marcotai comes by, he’s now greeted with the salutation, “Hi there, goat-fucker”. That was thanks to me. Do you want a personalized greeting like that?

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              If it’s like that it won’t exactly be personalized will it? You’ve got to put a little thought and imagination into it. Or get someone else to do it for you.

            • Espiando

              Why don’t you admit to Linda Hamel or Bill Yaude that you only have two uses for the cans on your e-meter: 1) sec checks and 2) buttplugs?

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              The ones on the new Nano-quantum Mk. 84 are too slim for butt plugs when you butt is as worn as mine. But of course they’re perfect for sec checks. Though we’re thinking of following your new wog procedure and just telling people they’ve admitted to things they haven’t admitted to.

            • Espiando

              Again, you don’t have directly admit to things in order to admit to them. People can piece things together without a direct statement. You can keep denying it, and I can keep countering the denials. The fact is that you slipped just enough. Your Dead Agenting is dead.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              No I see the positives of your way of thinking. Admission without admission, guilt without guilt. Just exactly what our totalitarian organisation needs as we move forward into the new age. I can’t believe Ron didn’t think of it himself. But then he didn’t actually have a physics degree so you have to make allowances.

            • Espiando

              Oooh, are you in for a big-time sec check tomorrow when your superiors read that you denied Hubtard’s status as a great nucular physicist.

              And you Scientologists already practice a wonderful version of Guilt Without Guilt. How many of the 17 declared South Africans had a CommEv or got a goldenrod? How many of the seven purged at AOLA this week had the same? So your precious Ron did think of it. It’s his creation. Just like Fair Game was. And just like Dead Agenting was.

              Ron’s problem is that he never went up against me.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              You stole Ron’s idea. You thieving bastard. But then he would’ve stolen your ideas if he’d found any worth stealing. So never mind.

              Do you really still think I’m a scientologist? Strange. Apply those Reader’s Digest’s “Top Ten Extramural Colleges in the Midwest” thinking skills a bit harder.

            • Espiando

              My university has more than 80 Nobel winners associated with it, including the current president of the United States. That’s more than 80 more than your Delphi School, OSA.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Nobel Prizes are for SPs. But seriously I accept you went to a good university and are a very clever person.

              Do you really think I’m a scientologist? Just because I don’t like Karen trying to whitewash Hubbard and slander Dennis Erlich?

            • Espiando

              No, I’m saying that you’re a Scientologist, and specifically an OSA operative, because of your manner of throwing loaded questions out without any context or assertion to back them up, which is a hallmark of Dead Agenting. OSA are the Retard Masters of the ad hominem.

              What Karen thinks about Hubbard is irrelevant to most people here. We allow her this. Whatever she might or might not have against Dennis Erlich is also irrelevant. That’s between them. Dead Agenting doesn’t work if your intended audience doesn’t care.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              OK. But really I express my views because I care about them. If other people care as well that’s nice. I don’t want to “Dead Agent” Karen. I want to hold her responsible for her actions when she’s unscrupulous. As in lying for Hubbard. As in besmirching critics of scientology. I can understand you not being interested in this. But it really doesn’t make sense to me that you insist I’m a scientologist.

            • Room 101

              I know you’re not a Scieno, dude.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Thanks. I was beginning to wonder if actually I am one.

            • Espiando

              The way out is the nearest door, OSA.

            • Room 101

              No Scieno or OSA-fuck would ever in their right mind throw LRH under the bus in any way shape or form. I’m an ex and a bit impartial to pretty much anyone’s stance on this blog. My opinion is LRH was a con artist and many exes are still brainwashed to his words. There’s an ethos on this blog – which is expected – and when you stray or strike the wrong nerve, the cavalry comes in.

            • Hara

              Good point

            • Espiando

              There are ways to express your views in a manner that engages conversation about them rather than throw something out there in such a manner that it acts as a casus belli and shows the world that your intent is to provoke a visceral reaction rather than a discussion. Your way was that of the provocateur. You were throwing out blatant accusations and you paid the price for that tonight, OSA. The credibility of your argument has been thoroughly destroyed, and I was happy to do it.

              It is not your place to act as Karen’s inquisitor, whether you’re OSA or not. She has been through enough shit in her life to deserve a piss stain like you acting as her moral compass, demanding that she follow your path on True North. We go through this here all the time with Marty and occasionally with Mike. And I’ll say the same thing here that I say when those little shitstorms happen: not now. Now is not the time.

              We Anons have a little phrase that’s appropriate here: Stay On Target. Disagreements among Exes and Indies are for the pud-whackers over at OCMB and the hugboxers at ESMB. Here, we focus on taking down the cult. Whether it’s your cult or not, I don’t care, because your feelings are irrelevant to me.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              I dunno. Seems to me like she could tell the truth. However much shit she’s been through. Or at least not go out of her way to attack Dennis Erlich in such a sneaky way.

              But I’m glad you now accept that I may not be a scientologist. Sanity is breaking out.

            • Espiando

              Truth will come in its own time. Disagreements will be settled in their own time. Attempting to accelerate the process in inappropriate ways is counterproductive.

              Now you can leave.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Golly thanks. I have your permission?

              You need to work on your tone 40. It’s more like tone 0.4.

            • Espiando

              I’m a 1.1 and fucking proud of it.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              I think you’re overestimating yourself again, frankly.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’m not looking to pile on or harass you about this. But can you explain why you only post here to call out Karen de la Carriere? Surely, there are other articles posted on this blog that deserve equal fervor, no?

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              I don’t only post here to “call out” Karen. When I do call out Karen (which I’ve done twice) it causes a shit-storm where I get attacked for being a scientologist or just generally being a twat. And then I get some mild amusement teasing the people who decide out of the blue to be abusive towards me. So that’s what you’ve noticed. But I have posted on other topics.

              I do find it staggering that people seem to think that Karen is somehow anti-scientology or anti-Hubbard when to me it seems clear that exactly the opposite is the case. So I guess this time part of the reason for pointing out the “overts” in her video was just to make the point again that your enemy’s enemy can be your enemy too.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Okay, my bad, not all of your posts. But two out of the last three, your initial post here is an attempt to discredit or attack Karen. You’ve just hinted that she may be an enemy. I think you glossed over the point of my question. Why are you so fixated on her specifically? Even if she were an LRH apologist, Tony has covered many, many reprehensible Scientologists in his articles. But you’re nowhere to be found. You choose your spots and only go after her? Why?

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              No I don’t think I missed the point of your post. I am also quite happy to “go after” Marty! I don’t think there’s anything wrong with pointing out when people tell lies or deliberately mislead. I really don’t think it’s my problem if I’m exercised by Karen telling fibs for Ron and sticking the knife into Dennis Erlich. I think it’s her that has a problem because she’s the one doing these things! If her behavior don’t bother you then I find that slightly puzzling, but I accept that it’s your business.

            • Robert Eckert

              You spelled “organisation” without a Z, and of course calling the Bunkeroos an organization of any kind, especially a “totalitarian” one, is echoing themes from the very recent trolls.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              I’m English. It’s our language which we kindly allow you to abuse. Our spelling is correct. Yours, unfortunately, is not.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              No cognition?

            • Robert Eckert

              You didn’t, because you are not welcome here.

            • SandiCorrena

              Espi is held in high regard, is extremely astute, and the white knight streak shoe fits!

            • Rita Gregory

              Espi is delightful, intelligent, and mean. I adore him.

            • Robert Eckert

              All this time here, and you understand this place so little?

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              *Sigh*

              Sadly it seems so.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Well, now we know who here actually needs to do some serious recalibrating…

            • ParticleMom

              We don’t care about “delightful” we care about real. Espiando is always real.

            • Baby

              Yep

            • Hara

              ..

            • Rita Gregory

              Karen de la Carriere’s husband.

            • Espiando

              In addition to being OTVIIIisGr8 and J. Swift.

            • Hara

              Yes, it was the post about OTVIIIisGr8

            • Rita Gregory

              This was in reply to Hara who asked Who is Jeffrey Augustine. He appears to have editied the question to .. ?

            • Hara

              I just found the answer on one of Tony’s earlier posts, so i deleted the question

            • Rita Gregory

              Ok, just thought it was strange. Suffering from troll fever I guess LOL!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Actually, thinking YES is really making me enjoy this weird exchange even MOAR!

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              This is awful. Will nobody let me in on the secret of who it is I actually am?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              No way!
              It is my own personal withhold ;-)

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Am I a thetan? Immortal and incredibly gullible?

            • Espiando

              No, you’re an OSA operative. Ideologically and religiously blinded and incredibly moronic.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Except of course that I’m not. So I’m not entirely sure why it suits you to pretend that I am.

            • Espiando

              The only one pretending is you. And I have a very, very sensitive bullshit detector.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              I think you may need to recalibrate it a bit.

            • Espiando

              I know far more about calibration of equipment than you do, Scilon. And I keep all my equipment in calibration. As for validation of calibration, ask other people here who spotted Marcabian Commander’s latest lame attempt at trolling yesterday first.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Goddamn it! I Missed the Commander, …again!!!!

            • Midwest Mom

              Hail yes, you did! Hail Marcabian!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Damn!!!!

            • Midwest Mom

              MC forgot to bring refreshments. I was all psyched for some nibblies. No cheesy bacon puffs for MwM last night, though! sniff sniff

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Bacon……….ummmmmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhhhh.

            • Captain Howdy

              So MC is JA? Hah.. I’m fucking loaded!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              LMFAO!!! You must be!.LULZ,.

            • Captain Howdy

              So how do you know that MC is a Brit?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I went back and read his/her old posts.
              Gives one a nice “feel” for who we may be dealing with.

            • Captain Howdy

              Yeah, I deduced vaLLarrr was Irish or English because s/he kept using words like “rubbish” and other phrases an American wouldn’t.

            • Hara

              Marcabian is definitely not a brit

            • Midwest Mom

              She has avatar skliz. Press and you will, too!

            • Captain Howdy

              I see no obvious limey lingo in it’s previous comments.

            • Hara

              xoxoxoxo is not the Commander

            • Espiando

              No, that was last night, when the Commander came by disguised as a teenage girl with an IQ of about room temperature.

            • jeff

              Room temperature? I think you’re being generous.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Yes but if your equipment is “ultra sensitive” it’s likely to go off all the time. (Which can be frustrating for your partner.) You may have identified this Marcabian Commander but that’s not very impressive if you’re “identifying” every 3rd new or newish poster.

              A broken clock is right twice a day.

            • Espiando

              And a broken OSA operative is right never. You’re not a newish poster, either. And my equipment is functioning perfectly, since I knew exactly what you were trying to do.

              You’re not going to win this. I can keep this up for the next eight or so hours until I have to go to work. Sleep is for the weak.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              OK. But you don’t fly airliners do you. If so you probably should get a little sleep before work.

            • Espiando

              The only thing I fly is rudiments, and I throw them in your face, you smelly little queef.

              You’ve. Lost. Go end cycle.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              This brief intermission is sponsored by WTF! Comebacks That Sucks.
              Back to the fight.

            • Baby

              hahahahaha 3.. that was funny… and Oh so true..

            • riotgrrrl

              why, yer sir hudson silly!

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              Ha ha very good. Its all coming back to me. These past lives are really hard to remember aren’t they. Even with our spiffing tech.

      • ThetaBara

        He was here a couple of weeks ago, trolling in much the same manner. I was criticized for calling him a troll, apparently because he has had the same ID for some time. However, it’s about behavior. With Espi after him, he’d best be grabbing his d20.

        • Kitz

          I doubt he has the modifier to make that fortitude check. ;-)

    • xoxoxoxoxoxox

      3 people think Dennis Erlich did precipitate Quentin Hubbard’s suicide?

      It’s like being attacked by kamikaze cyber lemmings. Sad and funny at the same time.

      • Espiando

        Name them, and prove your assertion. You wanted me to prove mine about your Dead Agenting downthread. What’s good for the goose is sauce for the OSA operative.

        • xoxoxoxoxoxox

          3 downvotes. I do like sauce you saucy spanish rabbit. Not as much as Source, of course. He’s my favourite.

          • Espiando

            Downvotes do not imply agreement with the premise of your Dead Agenting. It’s just a sign that three people regard you as a complete and utter assclown.

            • xoxoxoxoxoxox

              No shit.

            • Missionary Kid

              No. Shit.

          • Robert Eckert

            Another of the downvotes is mine. Your telepathic skills are as poor as your trolling skills.

            • Baby

              and mine.. ABSOLUTELY MINE..

    • grundoon

      Quentin’s death was not a suicide. Or do you have some evidence to the contrary?

      • xoxoxoxoxoxox

        No. Who do you think killed him?

        • grundoon

          No idea. The death certificate said he tested negative for carbon monoxide, toxics and alcohol. If he committed suicide by breathing his car’s exhaust, there would have been carbon monoxide in his blood. The cause of death was not apparent to the doctors who examined him. His body may have been placed in the car after he was incapacitated elsewhere. Someone disposed of his clothing and ID, which were never found.

          • xoxoxoxoxoxox

            I seem to remember hearing something about Mary Sue fixing the autopsy because suicide would reflect badly on Ron. I have never until today heard anyone try to fly the idea that Quentin’s death had anything to do with Dennis Erlich. I call bullshit.

            (Possibly it was Hana Eltringham who said about Mary Sue, but I really don’t remember.) EDIT

    • Rita Gregory

      Looks like Karen and Dennis are FB friends. He left this post on her page.

      http://cgi.amazing.com/scientology/death-of-quentin.html

      • xoxoxoxoxoxox

        Very interesting. Not the way Karen told it at all.

        • Rita Gregory

          Dennis doesn’t seem to have a problem with Karen’s video. Why should you?

          • xoxoxoxoxoxox

            I don’t know that he doesn’t. If he doesn’t that’s fine with me.

            I don’t like the way Karen tells lies for Ron and makes out that Dennis Erlich precipitated Quentin’s suicide. Call me old fashioned (or something ruder if you prefer). I just would greatly appreciate it if she’d stick to the truth more.

        • grundoon

          Karen told this story in more detail in a blog post in 2011: http://community.freezone-tech.info/karen-class12cs/2011/02/04/grace-what-happened-to-quentin-hubbard/

          Karen doesn’t go into detail about Dennis’s role, and it’s not clear whether she knew exactly how it went down. In Dennis’s post, linked above, he says he told Quentin he would have to retrain from the beginning, but managed to delay pulling the certs for a couple of days, by which time Quentin had split. He says Quentin didn’t seem upset; perhaps then he had already decided to leave for pilot school. Perhaps Quentin had only been sticking around because Grace, his PC, needed him; and felt he was free to leave once it was clear that Grace would no longer be allowed to have him as her auditor.

          If one accepts Dennis’s account – and I know of no reason to doubt it – the retraining and pulling the certs were dictated by inescapable LRH policy. (Dennis appears to take responsibility for the handling; Jeff Walker does not seem to have been involved.) In effect, Quentin was simply caught in a machine of destruction that his father LRH had designed and enforced. As a cog in the machine, it fell to Dennis to execute LRH’s draconian policy; and if Dennis “dropped his hat” (failed to obey the policy), the cog who replaced him would jump to obey.

          Karen says she accepts the suicide theory because Quentin tried to kill himself once before. Also, based on her inside knowledge of how MSH and the GO handled Quentin’s disappearance, Karen rejects the theory that the GO arranged his death.

          But was Quentin still suicidally depressed when he blew? If so, he didn’t have to wait 2 weeks and travel all the way to Las Vegas and get naked and hide his ID (but not his car) to kill himself. He could asphyxiate himself, or jump from the roof of the Fort Harrison, without leaving Clearwater. Instead, wouldn’t he have been happy and excited that he was finally going to learn to fly? After waiting so long, and finally getting free of the obligations of his Class XII auditing post, any remaining obstacles would be small by comparison; how could he give up when the goal was in sight?

          Las Vegas was not necessarily a safe place for a not-streetwise, not-particularly-closeted gay young man in 1976. He might have upset someone by talking about Scientology. He might have trusted the wrong person, gone on a bad date, run afoul of the wrong crowd; Las Vegas had plenty of such. According to the coroner’s report he had needle marks on both arms… not likely that he got those in the Sea Org, so where did they come from? Quentin might have been the victim of a crime that had nothing to do with Scientology. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

      • grundoon

        It’s a copy of a post that Dennis originally made in 1996. Don’t know if Karen and Dennis have ever had a chance to trade stories since they’ve been out.

        • Rita Gregory

          Someone on Karen’s FB page made a suggestion to her to make a video with Dennis, maybe they will.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Did I miss anything?

    • Espiando

      Not yet. It’s just starting up, in fact.

    • Rita Gregory

      It looks like you may be just in time…

  • Cat Daddy

    who is the little beaten up kid with the eyepatch on the right behind Hubbard ?

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/attachments/hubbard-highwinds-1984-issue-5-jpg-1086-jpg.199872/

    • Rita Gregory

      Turns out according to the child who is now an adult, her injury was an accident. Observer had this pic up a while back and found the info.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Yes, I think she got hit in the face with some metal rod on the ship, it was an accident. of course ti went untreated.

        • Rita Gregory

          Poor little girl! :(

        • MaxSpaceman

          Uh, I don’t think so, FMFH. Hello?!?
          We have touch A S S ists !
          Those! are the treatments applied.
          Knock knock! anybody home?!?
          A touch assist, FmFh is the *preferred* method of treatment on Apollo. Because it works !
          Fuuuuuck. I ‘m sorry. It’s not funny. Shite.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            I apologize Max, indeed I recall she said it was a treated by touch assist tech.

  • Cat Daddy
    • MaxSpaceman

      Her story reveals Ron Hubbard to be one of the most massive pieces of degraded maggot shit in world history.

      • ThetaBara

        Agreed. absolutely infuriating. And so, so Why. IDK how anyone can sit silently, knowing about these abuses. I certainly can’t.

    • Ardent

      This is why I despise the cult so deeply. I hope her life has attained balance and happiness.

  • aquaclara

    I’m starting the Espiando Fan Club for best smack downs EVER. Membership is an up-arrow.
    Vote up for Espi, and re-energize the smack-ups and smack-downs.

    Tomorrow, I will be starting HUGS for Bury, just because she is so cute….

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Awww…………..I love hugs!

      • aquaclara

        Yay, yay! Tomorrow will be your day! :)

      • Baby

        ((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    • Sandy

      I already told Espi that I wanted to live in his 2nd bedroom. And he said he hasn’t got a 2nd bedroom.

      Bummer me.

      • Espiando

        With apartment prices in the Chicago area, I’m lucky that I could afford something more than a cardboard box.

        • SandiCorrena

          My sister lives there; I love the apts – hate the flights of stairs! Chicago is magic though!

          • MaxSpaceman

            I love Chicago. As a big City, I love Chicago.
            Manhattan is fine. But there’s something about Chicago I really really love.

            • Hara

              Great food. RIP Charlie Trotter.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Zackly, Hara. I *love* Chicago food.
              In America, my fave City for fooooooood !

            • grundoon

              My kinda town, Chicago is!

        • MaxSpaceman

          So forget Manhattan because New York City area apt. prices are off-the-charts.

          • jeff

            Dude, you should see what they are here in San Francisco.

      • aquaclara

        There’s room in the extra closet, once we clear out the winter coats, the unused sports equipment, and that old bike. No worries! We’ll squish the rest of the hangers over and make room.

      • Midwest Mom

        He never had a second bedroom. He has a third bedroom, though. ;)

        • Espiando

          I need somewhere to keep my ego.

        • SandiCorrena

          lolololol!!!!! (you made me snort!)

        • Rita Gregory

          LOL!

        • Baby

          OMG MOM I swear to God I just ran to the bathroom..hahhahahha

      • Robert Eckert

        He needs someone to share his 1st bedroom.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Because he’s the hero Bunker deserves, and the one it needs right now. So, trolls will hunt him, because he can take it. Because he’s not just our hero. He’s a non-silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Bunny Knight.

      • aquaclara

        The Esteemed Honorable Bunny Knight!

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Refresh for image

  • richelieu jr

    “Abstract emotionalism”? Why sure, Tony, it’s when you’re crying because, well.. because.. Well, you should just know, dammit! Do I have to spell it out for you? Are you totally insensitive?
    Men, I swear!

    • Baby

      That’s because He doesn’t know how to paint so he just slaps Paint on it..

  • valshifter

    On the pictures they look so “Insouciant”, but when I was part of the elite and most ethical group on earth, every other person was all drab and worrisome or pissed off. are they trying to fool me with those pics?

  • riotgrrrl

    hey cos, uncle sam is all enturbilated and shit…

    • riotgrrrl

      oh yay!!! i’ve got my first downvote!!! now i feel like a real live girl!

  • LetsGetCoS

    Hi all. Been laying back watching the show here. It simply fascinates me that CoS has survived as long as it has, considering how ridiculous it all seems to an ‘outsider’ like me. If the vast criminality and damage from its activities weren’t so real, I’d find the whole sordid LRH/CoS tale thoroughly amusing. I’m wondering: do any of you think TC, KA or JT will ever leave the syndicate, either quietly, or even with a “mea culpa”, someday? Or do you think the top celeb or exec sciloons could or would ever try to “rescue” the “tech” from Miscarriage’s mismanagement, and valiantly try to “save ” CoS? What do you see the situation being in, say, 5 years? Will Miscavige and/or CoS be Irreparably harmed or just getting started? Thanks for your insights if you have time to share some! (I’m not going to comment again– I’ve got equipment issues!)

    • Eclipse-girl

      I thought the year after jett travolta’s death, john might leave.

      Now I do not think so.

      I do not care if tom or Kirstie leave, actually. I find them both vile.

      • Rita Gregory

        I wish John would leave. He has been in soooo long though, I think if the church ever crashes he’ll go indie.

        • SandiCorrena

          I wish he would too; I think he hasn’t been treated so well as the other celebs but he is more fearful or what they would do to him if he left than how they treat him if he stays…unfortunately. And if he left he’d probably have to reflect on his, Kelly’s, and the churches role in the death of his son, I don’t know if he could survive that.

        • Ardent

          He’s the only one I can watch on screen for some reason. I can’t figure it out. I refuse to look at Cruise, Alley, Elfman, etc. But John Travolta, for some reason, is still a ‘person’ in my mind. Anyone agree? Share a thought? Explain this for me? You ALL know how much I despise the cult.

          • MaxSpaceman

            I can watch JT too. And his “Bolt” was one of the bestest animated flicks.
            It can only be explained by the charisma quotient – when he delivers a performance onscreen, you can watch. It’s a kind of “communication” that he can generate.

          • Rita Gregory

            I know what you mean. I can watch John Travolta, Giovanni Rabisi, Juliet Lewis and Ethan Suplee, but the rest, no way! Especially Cruise.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Gio is a helluv an actor. Huge range. Huge.

            • Rita Gregory

              He was EXCELLENT in “The Gift”.

            • MaxSpaceman

              His list of interesting performances is extensive, RG, for certain.

            • Baby

              I gave you an upvote cause I love ya.. But Gio is the only one for me.. : )

          • Baby

            I will watch Giovanni.. I give some one a pass for being born in it and NOT proselytizing about it..

            You have a heart Columbo.. Maybe you recognize that he is a Whipping boy for DM ever since Battlefield .. and brainwashed.. Fair Gaming would destroy him. You can separate him fro the Pack.

      • Hara

        They can keep Kirstie.

        • SandiCorrena

          and Tom!

          • Hara

            I can’t stand Cruise anymore, but the dude keeps getting movie roles. I don’t know who can stomach him anymore. Until he gets completely self destructive, like Kirstie, I have to wish that he will wake up some day. I’m just a pragmatist like that.

            • SandiCorrena

              I think the slope downward is starting; he hasn’t broken that magic 100 million mark in his movies lately, you know I used to hear people talk about his movies-now if his name comes up it’s “couch jumping” or being ugly to Matt Lauer on The Today Show or Katie leaving!

            • Hara

              I agree… I was just really disappointed to see him get the role in Oblivion.

            • MaxSpaceman

              With an actor who has depth and range, like M. Fassbender, would’ve made that flick much much better.

            • Lurkness

              Unfortunately, he has. 2011 MI III Ghost Protocol did $209M domestic +$685M Internationally. Worldwide grosses, even for Oblivion and other clunkers, are well over $100M. NONE of my dollars contributed to these numbers.

            • SandiCorrena

              I was talking about opening numbers, I saw in print recently that his last three opening box office numbers were less than $100 Million.

            • Lurkness

              That is true and his domestic numbers keep going down.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Furriners. They still go gaga over the Big Hollywood Star. hence the reason that they shoot TC’s action sequences all over the world.

      • Ardent

        So with you on that, Eclipse-girl!

      • Baby

        But then the twins came.. and that’s all I will add to this conversation.. without sounding like a conspirator

        • Eclipse-girl

          TY. (((HUGS)))

    • SandiCorrena

      I think they are all increasingly complicit in the crimes of their {church}, when one of them finds their name on a lawsuit or indictment (and I think that will happen sometime) the others will run squealing and screaming!

      • jeff

        That’s it, Sandi, exactly – in fact more than complicit, if you ask me. It has been a great education for me over the last several months, between reading this blog and yes, 10 books on the subject. They, with all their money, really have no excuse not to educate themselves and GTFO. Their staying in and promoting/defending it is sickening.

        • jeff

          Wow, I’ve been downvoted. I suppose I should feel shattered, but it’s really kind of funny.

          • SandiCorrena

            We have so much in common, the complicity factor, we’ve both read 10 of the books, and we both got down voted – are you my brother? :)

            • jeff

              Well, I was adopted, so I guess it’s possible. My 10 are Atack, Wright, Reitman, Urban, Miller, Headley, Hawkins, Miscavage-Hiill, Cook and Duignan. Your 10?

            • SandiCorrena

              Headley, Many, Hawkins, Miscavige-Hill, Wright, Catton, Atack, Reitman, Sweeney, Scobee.

            • jeff

              I looked at Amazon for Sweeney and there were only 2 copies for like $50. I don’t have an e-reader (don’t want one). What is the Catton one? Also, what did you think of Nancy Many’s book?

            • MaxSpaceman

              You will want to read Nancy Many’s book, you will.

            • jeff

              OK, Max. You’re the only Spaceman I trust.

            • MaxSpaceman

              We are brothers-in-space!

              Margery Wakefield, The Road to Xenu. It’s quite a tale.

            • jeff

              I have two tangential/overarching books to read right now, Robert Jay Lifton’s Thought Reform and Lalich’s Bounded Choice.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Natch- just putting them out there for your future list. You’ll want to read Amy Scobee’s tale. And of course, I didn’t see you list Paulette Cooper’s book, which is a must read someday. You can’t believe the shite Mary Sue and L Ron Hubbard ran on Ms Cooper.

              You can’t find worse maggot shit than Mary Hubbard and Ron Hubbard, in the 1960s and 1970s. The depraved indifference they had to the rights of others, the human rights of fellow human beings, is demented. And degraded. And debased.

              Ron and Mary Hubbard need many eons of facetime-in-hell (if there’s afterlife). And, they need to be recognized for the degraded beings they were while alive.

            • SandiCorrena

              For me Paulette’s has kind of “holy grail” status; I really really really want to find it sometime (at a price I can afford)!

            • MaxSpaceman

              There’s a free download of it at an Irish Anonymous Website. Seek and ye shall find.

            • Rita Gregory

              Excellent book. I read it on line here: http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/tsos/sos.html

            • Rita Gregory

              Here are a few more books some of which you can read for free. I’d rather buy them and support the authors if it were possible but until I can this is an excellent resource.
              http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/tsos/sos.html

            • jeff

              Now that’s a girl who thinks like I do. We clearly ARE related!

            • Priscilla

              I’ve seen several of her interviews on You Tube. I find that she holds herself utterly accountable for not defending people who were being abused by Hubbard. Although she acknowledges that she was brainwashed, she doesn’t excuse her own actions and inactions. I respect that about her.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Yes, indeed.
              Wakefield’s book is fine and important.

            • ThetaBara

              She has some very informative videos out there too. Showing the TRs and that sort of thing.

            • MaxSpaceman

              And Otto Roos’ book is something you’ll like. It’s ‘thick’ but it’s amazing.

            • Priscilla

              check out Abebooks.com (http://www.abebooks.com). They have several copies at lower prices than that.

            • jeff

              I checked – they’ve got 1 for a buck with some previous owner’s highlights and one for $36.56. Thanks, though (http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&tn=Church+Of+Fear+%3A+Inside+The+Weird+World+Of+Scientology)

            • SandiCorrena

              I didn’t pay that much for John Sweeney’s, I can’t recall if I ordered that one on Amazon or if it was a link I followed from here at the bunker. Lucas Catton wrote “Have You Told All” and he was a Scientologist/Narconon executive, it was very good. I loved Nancy’s book, it reached right into my heart because she had such a struggle-that she survived with her family intact and thrives now is amazing! See we must be related I’m not a e-reader either!

            • jeff

              Hey, thanks! I will look for them.

            • Robert Eckert

              Lucas Catton has posted here as “Cool Hand Luke” though usually only when there are stories directly related to Narconon.

            • ThetaBara

              You can d/l kindle as an app for your computer (no charge for the app) and read it that way; you don’t need a hardware reader. :-) It’s a good read. Sweeny’s documentary is also up on youtube.

            • jeff

              I’ve seen the doc.

            • Eclipse-girl

              ? Urban. not familiar with that name

            • jeff

              The guy (Hugh Urban) is a religious studies professor at Ohio State and tries his damnedest to write about the cult in neutral fashion.

            • Eclipse-girl

              didi you like his book?

            • jeff

              It was OK, but it was nearly 100 % stuff I’d already read.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Yes, that happens when reading so many books on the same topics.

              It is one reason why I desire the individual stories of those who have escaped. Different details, different perspectives

          • Rita Gregory

            Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside doesn’t it?

            • jeff

              I am still laughing!

      • SandiCorrena

        Wow, who let the dogs out? I got two, count ‘em, two down votes!

        • jeff

          I did it, accidentally, now fixed.

          • SandiCorrena

            oh that’s ok since we’re “related” ;)

  • dagobarbz

    I have a lot of pix of the San Diego org. That building has never been lit up like that, evar. I claim photoshoopidge.

    • MaxSpaceman

      I was wondering, Dago B. Thanks!
      Because that shite was stirring me up; like wTf – San Diego has come to life?!?
      So, just how dead is that San Diego Idol Morgue? How much activity is going on there? Is there a regular poster on the Bunker who lives has access to the area? and knowing about its operation? at all ?

      • Shannon

        I lived right around the corner from it until 9 months ago and it was always dead. Only a few cars in the parking lot, always two seaorg outside smoking. Never anyone in the bookshop in the front. It was pretty dead, maybe that’s changed with the wonderful new tech but I’m not sure, I don’t live in the country anymore.

        And no, it never, ever, ever has looked like that. At first I was thinking it wasn’t even the right building.

        • Shannon

          MY FIRST DOWNVOTE!! WOOHOO!!

          • Shannon

            Awww now I’m just being spoiled.

            • Modesto

              It gives you a warm feeling inside, doesn’t it? I’m guessing that Debbie Downvoter is on the left side of the Atlantic because she seems to have gone to bed – you’d think they’d have a round-the-clock relay, wouldn’t you? – very amateurish

        • Rita Gregory

          Wear it proud! :)

      • dagobarbz

        How dead is the Idle Morgue? Totally. They bought this Ideal Org property with a little help from one of DM’s pet whales, Bob Duggans, who kicked in what they needed to seal the deal. Then they couldn’t keep up with the property taxes, and the land was finally sold again. Now they’re trying Round 2 fundraising for ANOTHER big ass property they can’t afford!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      This is a visualization of what will surely, surely come to pass…

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      And I have seen a lot of letters written to Santa. None of them ask for doors or flooring. There is something rather strange about these Sunday Funnies!

    • CO$CUZ

      I was thinking the same thing! That building is run down. I should go snap a picture of it. Never anyone outside and I thought there was a for sale sign on it, but I could be mistaken. Ill check it out.

      • dagobarbz

        There was a for sale sign on it. The broker was Jon Gerson, of Applied Scholastics fame. He’s the OTVIII who got a write-up in the local paper for running his school into $50,000 debt and losing the lease on the cute little Victorian he was using as a school and an event center.

        The scheme was to sell the building to the City of San Diego as part of a downtown revitalization project that tanked when the economy slumped here. The deal came off the table and the For Sale sign came down.

        It would be extremely entertaining these days to picket them on OT Committee night with some sharp signage referring to current events.

        • CO$CUZ

          Count me in! Been itching for a picket and to break my mask in….

          • dagobarbz

            That’d be you and me. Ain’t nobody left, the anon hordes have moved on.

  • TheCommodeDoor

    What I find really offensive is the picture of Kadie. She looks like she’s 15 or 16. She should be in school dreaming about the Junior Prom – not working on staff.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Thank you! For keereist’s sake. She’s like exactly that; a Jr. in High School. And she’s Sea Org? or Org Staff? or whatever. A shame.

      • Cat Daddy

        she has perfect teeth, i smell a rat

  • Anonymouse

    A Hubbard tartan scarf? I thought that only a Scottish family could have it’s own tartan for it’s clan. Can any of our Scottish readers please clarify this for us?

    • jeff

      Not Scottish, but tartans were a fiction created in the 19th century, as I recall.

      • Modesto

        Tartans are not a fiction but the strict association of tartan patterns with ‘clans’ (or at least family names) is a nineteenth-century invention and almost completely bogus, though the notion is now well-established and people treat it like it’s a rule to wear the ‘right’ tartan. Clans have not existed in any real sense (as a social structure) since the mid eighteenth century when they were suppressed by the British government/army. Up until that time, highland clansmen would wear whatever was produced by the local weaver, who might have favourite patterns or access to particular dyes, i.e. ‘district tartans’. These days, anyone (individuals, businesses, whatever) can have a tartan if they want to associate themselves with ‘Scottishness’ in some way – many US states have a tartan and some of them are quite nice. Inevitably, it seems there is a ‘clam tartan’ on the official list …

      • Scream Nevermore

        My family has an Irish tartan, so it’s not only the Scots who wear them. But most of what passes for ‘Scottish traditional dress’ was put together by the Victorians.

    • Hara
    • Modesto

      Hi Anonymouse – I’ve replied in more detail below, hope useful

    • grundoon

      Tartan registered in 2004 by the Hubbard Foundation of Scotland.

    • Anonymouse

      Thanks for your replies everyone. So, can I safely assume that almost anyone can register a tartan for themselves?

      • Modesto

        Anonymouse – there was an unofficial list of tartans for many years which I think was based on whatever designs the collector could find in use – since 2008, there has been an legally-backed register (which must have been one of the first things done by the Scottish Parliament/Government, which was established around that time). There’s an application process to follow if you design a tartan and want it to be legally recognised as your design http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/registerGuidance.aspx I have no idea how difficult it is in practice but I imagine that, if the Edinburgh clams can have one then the Bunker could too … of course you’d have to become honorary Scots and eat haggis (the latter may be a problem as I’m not sure it’s allowed in the US – some silly rule about lungs or something …)

        • Anonymouse

          Thanks so much for that info, that really clears things up. Have a pint on me ;)

      • Scream Nevermore

        Yes you can but the site that I have registered the Bunker tartan on reserves the right to allow others to use it – I quite hope they do – I’d love to see someone swathed in Bunker tartan!

  • Snippy_X

    “Come in_to ASHO and start your rocket ride up the bridge today.”
    How is that pronounced?

    Ass ho?

  • KJP in Portland

    Yawn…I’m packing it in. Early start in the morning. (((hugs and Hi-5′s)))

    and an extra thanks to Espi for duking it out with that chap…I see he’s having a nya-nya, neener-neener moment downvoting all of us.

    • Missionary Kid

      Good night. Enjoy your job tomorrow. Sleep tight.

    • whenpigsswim

      Good Luck with the new job!

  • Missionary Kid

    Maybe someone else noticed, but DR is holding a spiral-bound book that says Study Tapes!!!!
    For goodness sakes, where do they get the tape players? Talk about 1970′s tech.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Like the Watergate Tapes, $cientology will *always* use the word “tapes” for Hubbard’s audio. It’s part of the whole gestalt.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Strangely enough, it appears they label all audio material, whatever the format, as “Study Tapes.” I think that since LRH called them that, this is their actual name, regardless of whether they are on disc, hard drive, or download.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        A downvote for basic information? Somebody’s clicking without reading…

        • jeff

          And this is a surprise because?

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Wasn’t expressing surprise. It was just an observation.

      • Missionary Kid

        That is truly a sign of rigidity of fundamentalist thought. Something is done a particular way because LRH did it. If someone deviates, they are called apostate.

        That can only lead to accelerated decline.

  • Freethinker

    Hey Bunker kids!

    Let’s do something FUN tonight and flag clam spam! Whaddya say?

    http://sacramento.craigslist.org/search/cls?catAbb=cls&query=Tony&zoomToPosting=

    • SandiCorrena

      done

    • ParticleMom

      Done. It is so fast with that clever Ctrl Key Tech.

      • Room 101

        What’s the Ctrl Key Tech?

        • Freethinker

          If you hold the Ctrl key and then click on the link, it will open up in a new window instead of the one you’re in. That way you won’t have to return to the Bunker and wait for the Disqus scroll.

          • Robert Eckert

            Right-clicking instead of left-clicking also gives that option.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Ain’t it cool? how much “real tech” one can learn at The Underground Bunker?
          Far superior to the abomination ‘squirrel tech’ devised by David Miscavige, to bilk members in the Cult of $cientology Inc., out of cash cash cash money.

    • Room 101

      Done

  • ShoopZ

    Somebody told me recently that “disqus” is Catalan for “What the Hell happened to my post and why do I have to wade through several pages to find it now that fifty posts that weren’t there before suddenly appeared?”

    Catalan seems to be a very efficient language.

  • ShoopZ

    Oooh! Look at all the down votes just popping up like scilon security guards on bicycles in one of Tory’s videos!

    • ShoopZ

      Don’t forget this one.

      • ShoopZ

        Or this one.

        • ShoopZ

          This one.

          • ShoopZ

            And this one.

            • ShoopZ

              This one.

            • ShoopZ

              I do believe I am now at cause over trolls! This one!

            • ShoopZ

              Wow! The feeling of power is just super!

            • ShoopZ

              This

            • ShoopZ

              one

            • ShoopZ

              and

            • SandiCorrena

              wow look how long it took them to figure out!!!!! Go ShoopZ!!

            • ShoopZ

              this one

            • ShoopZ

              and

            • DodoTheLaser

              That’s funny!

            • Hugo12

              hahaha!!!

  • Rita Gregory

    This was link was posted to Karen D’s FB by Dennis Erlich. http://cgi.amazing.com/scientology/death-of-quentin.html

  • jeff

    Today, apparently, is the day. RIP Joan Fontaine (along with Peter O’Toole and Tom Laughton (of Billy Jack fame)).

    • Rita Gregory

      Geez! All today?

      • jeff

        Yes.

        Edit: Peter died yesterday.

        • Rita Gregory

          Wow. :(

      • Sydjazz

        Goes in threes

        • Rita Gregory

          Yep.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And Billy Jack (Tom Laughlin) was older than O’Toole. Who knew?

      • jeff

        Yeah…That surprised me, too

      • MaxSpaceman

        Wow! Now *no one* knew that. Ningun persona.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Wow, really, Jeff- haven’t been paying attention to much other than what’s goin’ on in the house and The Bunker. Billy Jack’s passed on r.i.p. And to Peter and Joan too.

  • Sydjazz

    Hey scions word clear insouciant. Fools. Come on down vote me too. Cos is really upsets me. Not

    • Sydjazz

      Woohooo i got a down vote. Now stop hiding and come play. Or don’t you know how to type

      • Sydjazz

        Really why are you down voting me?

        • Sydjazz

          Muahaha thought you would like that

      • SandiCorrena

        they may not have the rank to type!

      • Missionary Kid

        They only know how to type with their middle fingers.

  • Sydjazz

    Hey down voter

    • Sydjazz

      Naw did you like that?

  • Sydjazz

    Still here so buddy?

  • Baby

    OH come on now.. They’ll never downvote me.. I’m a Baby.. Trolls love me..

    • Sydjazz

      They love me at the moment look. Here comes my downvote

      • Baby

        They haven’t goin back at the top yet..hahahhaa.. So lame not to read posts.. ha..

        Like we could give a rat’s ass about downvotes..

        • Sydjazz

          Its fun

        • Sydjazz

          You got downvoted too

  • Sydjazz

    Hey down voter. Why are you doing it? Do you want attention? Are you just a troll or are you de semenating the internet. Yes i spelt it wrong on purpose.

    • Baby

      That is my man.. Trivia George used to be a Weatherman… before he was a stand up ; )

      • Missionary Kid

        As a part of his act, Carlin performed as Al Sleet, the “hippie-dippie weatherman” in the 1960s. He was never a real weatherman. It was a part of his stand-up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin

        • Baby

          hahahhaha.. That is funny.. I remember Carlin and Weatherman and 2+2= 10

          just like SCn..do..hahaha

  • Rita Gregory

    For anyone who saw the earlier kerfluffle……Looks like Karen and Dennis are FB friends. He left this post on her page. http://cgi.amazing.com/scientology/death-of-quentin.html

    • Robert Eckert

      Of course they are. That shit-stirrer’s efforts were so transparent, that Disqus ID will have to be abandoned after tonight, but I’m sure we’ll see a new one.

  • Sydjazz

    http://youtu.be/A-gGX41TFzQ wonderful interview jamie. If you haven’t seen it have a click

    • Sydjazz

      Hey downvoter watch the vid you might learn something

  • Baby

    For Espi.. Another win..

  • IBBy

    only mildly sad that my poem didnt make the funnies cut. More sad that I missed some of Espi’s best work.

    Theres really no rhyme or reason to this comment other than to say hello and good night. I’m a bit of a sad panda tonight as I had what I thought was a good friendship kind of go down the shitter. Ah well. I’m getting too old for the drama

    • Baby

      IBBY……………………. ; / And it was spectacular! Absolutely Spectacular.. hmmm… Hello and goodnight sweetie pie.. If it makes you feel any better I have your poem on my BB…

      A friendship done.. I’m sorry.. I value my friends.. Shit ((HUGS)) Baby

    • Rita Gregory

      :(

    • MaxSpaceman

      I hear you, iBbY.

      I think it’s not so much age (too old) that leads to dropping the drama, it’s “readiness” – a key concept in Recovery (mental health and substance use disorder), readiness is.

      And when people have had enough of ‘drama,’ they just ‘remove’ it from their lives. And behold! it is good!

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Chin up, cheer up. You are loved.

      http://youtu.be/gD4M12cFNgc

    • Missionary Kid
    • Missionary Kid

      The Sunday Funnies are usually repostings of idiocy from those still in. Since you’re not in, the poem wouldn’t be featured, would it?

  • Snippy_X

    LA Times

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Oh shit. Radaronline will be all over this.

      • Snippy_X

        Shush, or they’ll get the exclusive.

        • ThetaBara

          LOL!
          In seriousness, it’s good that Radar covers this stuff. They have a different audience, and they are serving a useful purpose of inoculating people who might otherwise have no idea, or fall into the “all religions are wacky” trap without knowing the truth.

    • Baby

      RIP Q… We are fighting your fight that you couldn’t…

    • Snippy_X

      There are a number of theories out there and Karen is convinced he committed suicide, but I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure. There are enough of these Scientology deaths, with mysterious causes, to make you wonder, IMO. I feel bad for Quentin.

  • Snippy_X

    Reno Evening Gazette

  • Snippy_X

    Nevada State Journal

    • grundoon

      “Initial reports indicated [Quentin] Hubbard may have committed suicide, but an autopsy and toxicological examinations ruled it out because no toxic substances were found in his body.”

  • DodoTheLaser

    Operation “Reconnect”?
    Something good is brewing.
    One way or the other.

    • Lurkness

      With you! Makes you go hmmm. I don’t recognize them, but the time frame could well mean more exes. Hopefully.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yes. Or just old friends she distanced herself from because they didn’t want to become scientologists. Either way – reconnection is a good thing in this case.

        • Lurkness

          Yep, agree!

  • c_the_g

    The Golden Age of Tech II includes a special Photography Subject Hatting Course that shows you how to say “Cheese!” with Tone 40 intention.

    • DodoTheLaser

      And if you read only BIG WORDS from that first photo with its “success stories”, it looks like this:

      HAPPINESS AND CERTAINTY. FAST! SELF-CONFIDENCE. JUST PURE LRH. SERENITY. Sounds legit.

  • ozzybud420

    Heres my contribution to the Sunday Funnies. Just when I think he can’t out creep himself he manages to be even weirder! Thanks for the lols Tommy boy.
    “MISSION Impossible star has reportedly requested electrical hotpants to wear during filming in London.”

    http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/tom-cruise-orders-battery-heated-underwear-to-keep-cosy-on-set-29789504.html

    • DodoTheLaser

      Mission Impossible 5: Hotpants In London.

    • Great White Clam

      something about panty-waste comes to mind

  • 0tessa

    As Scientology’s trolls are downvoting practically every comment, no matter its content, I would like to suggest to take away the down vote button.

    • ozzybud420

      hmmmm I wonder if its possible? probably.

      • Great White Clam

        I donno. Its a kind of an intruder alert if you ask me. Like belling the cat.

        • Lurkness

          True. However, my two cents, I then just wish people would stop acknowledging their “comms” That is what they are looking for and the derails that go with it. Besides, other than when we see consistent down voting, often it is big thumbs on mobile devices. I would make an exception for when someone’s down voting virginity is over. That is worthy of the ACK.

          • Snippy_X

            Really! Stop commenting on the down votes already! They serve a purpose. They alert you when trolls are present (so you know to not get sucked in). People with finely tuned troll antennae will multiple down vote them, which I find very helpful.

    • Rita Gregory

      If that is possible I think it’s a good idea.

    • Missionary Kid

      Wear it proudly. It means you’re getting to them. They may not read what you’re writing, but you’ve provoked a visceral reaction on their part.

      That is censorship at its crudest form, to prevent them from down voting, which I oppose, so I celebrate my downvotes.

      I pretty much ignore them.

      • Lurkness

        Wear with pride, have a good laugh to yourself and implement ignore tech!

        • Missionary Kid

          Amen! It’s kinda like losing one’s virginity.

    • Rita Gregory

      It’s a good idea on one hand but when you look at it further I’m not so sure. There are blogs that have no up or down arrows which does make it a little harder to derail the thread. It is really annoying when you want to up arrow a post. If you only have an up arrow available it’s limiting freedom to vote your opinion. When someone who is not a regular here sees down arrow after down arrow it only makes the church look bad. What kind of church down arrows puppies and children? :)

  • Great White Clam

    Bunch a OTVIIIs just get declared in LA?

    • DodoTheLaser
      • Great White Clam

        Better shake out & roal out tha welcome mats. It might get crowded in here pretty soon.

    • Hugo12

      Wha??? That leaves only like 10 members left in the world!!

      • DodoTheLaser

        I think it’s 11 and a half.

    • Lurkness

      Here are a couple of the names:

      http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?34298-DECLARED!!-Longtime-UK-scientologist-and-former-OSA-agent/page3

      • DodoTheLaser

        Did you mean this, Sir Lurkness?
        http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?34298-DECLARED!!-Longtime-UK-scientologist-and-former-OSA-agent&p=886962&viewfull=1#post886962

        • Lurkness

          Yep, same page, but you have the direct link to her comment with the two names. When I tried that, the link ended up going to the sign in page for some reason. So I posted with the general page where the comment appears. Thanks!

          • DodoTheLaser

            No problem. Welcome and thank you too.

    • Shannon

      Had to wait for them to donate all their money for the big rollout first. Dicks.

  • Shannon
    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Interesting how? That sounds like a very patriarchy thing to say.

      • DodoTheLaser

        The comments are rather telling, I thing that’s what Shannon meant.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          It’s a joke. Jezebel is a feminist blog and they love the word patriarchy. The comments there are perfectly fine.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Oh ok. Thanks. :)

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I saw that you posted a link to the Tomkat production. I have been waiting on it so I can watch it in its entirety without interruption, which is probably about now. But I thank you in advance!

            • DodoTheLaser

              You are welcome! Sindy is the one to thank really.
              I watched it last night myself for the first time. Cheers!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Well then, thank you’s and cheers to you and Sindy. I am going to watch and hit the hay. Goodnight Dodo, goodnight Bunker, goodnight moon.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Enjoy the show and sleep tight afterwards, Jimmy Threetimes.

            • MaxSpaceman

              If J3T do not post the link so’s to see the show, can you?
              Thanx.

            • DodoTheLaser
            • DodoTheLaser

              Can you see it?

            • MaxSpaceman

              Got it. (finally!)
              Thanx.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Post the link b4 you hit the hay, J3t

            • Jimmy Threetimes
            • Shannon

              This is awesome! I never thought I’d be able to see it!!

    • Great White Clam

      bestest comment fragment;

      “””It’s always so disappointing when you find out someone you like is a Scientologist”””

      • Sydjazz

        I agree

    • DodoTheLaser

      I really want to like these guys, but…

      • Sydjazz

        It’s the miscavige family *click click*

  • Rachel Heidi
    • DodoTheLaser

      I wonder how Goldie Hawn, Dustin Hoffman and Oliver Stone feel about it now…

    • Rita Gregory

      Lot’s of activity here lately. Lifter was banned here by Tony a day or so ago. With the court cases and the Miscavige deposition the “church” is ramping up the troll patrol. Some days we find it difficult to ignore.

    • http://BareFacedMessiah.wordpress.com/ BareFacedMessiah

      my 2 cents ;)

    • Shannon

      Wow Lifter and 6dog really got into a circle jerk there for a bit… I’m gonna hide with my blogger hack leader and the mob thanks :-)

  • DodoTheLaser

    Meanwhile, in the Kirstie land… such a comedian she is. I guess.

    • Rita Gregory

      Good Lord, that is sad.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yeah, makes me wonder if she had one too many drinks.

    • Scream Nevermore

      Is she back on the Charlie? That would explain the weight loss…

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      She had the breast implants put in her stomach and hips.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Don’t be meanie. Try Organic Liaison. It’s another Bridge to Total Freedom.

    • Sydjazz

      Wait you can actually hear the sound of crickets…..groaning

  • hansje brinker

    If you wonder where the parts of the old e-meter go:

    • DodoTheLaser

      “New And Improved”

      • hansje brinker

        So there is a body-thetan in each e-meter battery…………..

      • Great White Clam

        Damn. I don’t think she’s wearing anything under that meter!

  • DodoTheLaser

    Super Cute. Which one is the person of Good Will though?

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I know it is very late in the cycle, but Kadie is reminding me of the Hitler youth. Lucky her name isn’t Gretchen.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Lots of young beautiful people fell victims of totalitarian political regimes. Religious and otherwise.

  • Dean Fox

    “Insouciant” – showing a casual lack of concern. Word clearing, it werks and it elps pepil.

    Linda Lombardo reminds me of Benny Hinn – As a christian it is your duty to spread Christ’s message… have other commitments… no time…donating to my organisation is the same as spreading Christ’s message yourself.

    Not satisfied with bombarding libraries with books that won’t be catalogued they now want to bombard world opinion leaders with books that won’t be read; guess it’s harder to check if opinion leaders have read a book than it is to check the local libraries.

    • Sydjazz

      They make great toilet paper

  • Missionary Kid

    What follows are a series of choices. Vote for the ones that you think will happen. DOWN VOTES WILL NOT COUNT. PLEASE DO NOT ENTER ANY COMMENTS. Comments separate the questions.
    Vote as often as you want.

    • Missionary Kid

      Miscavige will go to trial and lose. A jury will award Mosey less than she is asking.

    • Missionary Kid

      Miscavige will go to trial and lose. A jury will award Mosey a million dollars.

    • Missionary Kid

      Miscavige will go to trial and lose. A jury will award Mosey many millions more than she asks.

    • Missionary Kid

      Miscavige will go to trial and lose. The RESTRAINING ORDER WILL BE PERMANENT.

    • Missionary Kid

      Miscavige will go to trial and win. The RESTRAINING ORDER WILL BE LIFTED

    • Missionary Kid

      Mosey will NOT SIGN A NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT. (a NDA isn’t the same as a gag order)

    • Missionary Kid

      Mosey will SIGN A NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT. (a NDA isn’t the same as a gag order)

    • Missionary Kid

      Miscavige will NEVER SETTLE

    • Missionary Kid

      Miscavige will SETTLE DURING THE TRIAL

    • Missionary Kid

      Miscavige will NOT SETTLE BEFORE DEPOSITION

    • Missionary Kid

      Miscavige will SETTLE BEFORE DEPOSITION.

    • Missionary Kid

      Miscavige will BE DEPOSED and do a GOOD job.

      • Missionary Kid

        For some reason, Disqus chose to moderate this question, so I’m re-adding it here.
        Miscavige will BE DEPOSED and do a BAD job.

    • Missionary Kid

      Miscavige will subject himself to SANCTIONS rather than testify.

    • Missionary Kid

      Miscavige will NOT FLEE the country rather than testify.

    • Missionary Kid

      Miscavige will FLEE the country rather than testify.

  • peakofelephants

    My immediate thoughts: 1. It’s awfully convenient to be provided with a list of comedians to avoid, and 2. “Kadie” is really cute. Shame.

  • Sarah James

    Right about now Miscavige is thinking about declareing Clearwater an enclave and seceding from the union.
    His flag will be in the shape of a dildo.