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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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TEXAS SKIRMISH: Mike Bennitt is on the scene as Monique Rathbun’s lawsuit is back in court

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We couldn’t leave the Bunker today for the big hearing in New Braunfels, Texas, but our man Mike Bennitt is on the scene, and we expect to get numerous dispatches from him, as well as video.

On the docket today are two big issues in Monique Rathbun’s harassment lawsuit against Scientology leader David Miscavige. Issue one: Miscavige wants out of the lawsuit, arguing that this Texas court has no jurisdiction over him. Issue two: Scientology has filed an anti-SLAPP motion, arguing that Monique Rathbun’s action is a cynical one intended to stifle Scientology’s free speech rights.

For both issues, Monique’s attorneys have filed motions for continuances, hoping to delay both matters. Monique’s attorney Ray Jeffrey will be making the argument this morning that these matters cannot be settled, and should be delayed, until Miscavige himself can be deposed under oath.

We told you last week about the motion for continuance that Monique filed regarding the jurisdictional issue. This morning, we have the motion for continuance that Monique filed regarding Scientology’s anti-SLAPP motion.

Here’s the section where Monique gets down to what is really going on in Scientology’s vigorous defense of this lawsuit…

In a cynical, if predictable ploy, the Defendants have moved to dismiss Mrs. Rathbun’s suit by claiming they were merely exercising their rights of free speech and free association, rather than carrying out a premeditated operation to destroy and silence her husband and her. In view of the evidence that the Defendants’ routine, intentional, practice and procedure is to hide the true nature of their civil and criminal misdeeds, including their tortious activities against Mrs. Rathbun, good cause exists to allow specific and limited discover to test the pretext on which they are seeking dismissal of Mrs. Rathbun’s suit…Mrs. Rathbun requests discovery…including:

a. Deposition and documents from Capt. David Miscavige…

b. Deposition and documents from Linda Hamel…

e. Written, recorded and electronic communications with and about the Squirrel Busters

Jeffrey filed a huge package of affidavits and declarations last week to support Monique’s position that David Miscavige micromanages Scientology. And in advance of today’s hearing, Jeffrey filed another voluminous set of papers to support Monique’s desire for a continuance on the anti-SLAPP matter.

Also, last week Ray Jeffrey deposed former Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis in Austin, but Jeffrey was tight-lipped about what occurred during that testimony.

Monique is also hoping to have actress Leah Remini give a deposition in coming days — that is, if Judge Dib Waldrip doesn’t end the lawsuit today by finding for Scientology’s anti-SLAPP motion or by allowing David Miscavige to leave the lawsuit.

On the one hand, if Judge Waldrip grants the continuances, it could be a short day. But if he hears both issues fully — jurisdiction and anti-SLAPP — it could be a long session.

We’ll post updates as quickly as we can.

 
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Neil Gaiman’s nephew will get his Scientology wedding after all

Read all about it here, but now English Scientologists will get the same privileges they have here.

As we’ve written before, this was more about outdated English marriage law than it was about Scientology, which is dwindling fast in the UK. Here’s what we said back in July…

In the U.S., our government would never concern itself with these distinctions. We’re only raising these issues because the English government has to decide if Scientology is “worship.”

But even though Scientology orgs pretty clearly aren’t “places of worship,” we really don’t see why Scientologist couples shouldn’t get married there. Even with the Marriage Act 1994, it seems to us that England is still way too uptight about where people exchange rings and get shitfaced afterwards. But what do we know.

Anyway, we have a feeling that Hodkin and Calcioli will end up winning this case, Scientology will briefly get some positive publicity out of it, but then the church’s troubles in the UK will continue.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 11, 2013 at 07:00

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(Live updates will appear below this line.)

10:06 am

Mike Bennitt is in place! Fortified by a double shot of espresso, he has positioned himself in the Comal County courthouse.

He says things are about to start, and the judge has already given the indication that electronics are going to have to go off.

Bennitt reports that the usual Scientology gang is present, including Kendrick Moxon, Monique Yingling, Warren McShane, and plenty more lawyers.

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10:24 am

Bennitt says that Ray Jeffrey has just finished his opening statement, and Miscavige/RTC attorney Lamont Jefferson is now responding.

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10:28 am

Mike says that Ray’s opening included references to the Lawrence Wollersheim saga (which we wrote about at length back in 2002/2008), and get this, Jefferson is countering with slides from last week’s IAS gala! See judge, this is a thriving religion and Miscavige is like the Dalai Lama (or something).

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10:40 am

First bad sign for Monique: Bennitt says Judge Waldrip mentioned being in court all week. That sounds like a continuance is unlikely.

If that means that Miscavige has slithered out of a deposition for this (set of) hearing(s), you can bet that Monique’s side will continue to push for a Miscavige deposition in other discovery — assuming the lawsuit survives these motions.

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1:11 pm

Bennitt’s out on break. He says they’re still arguing about deposing Miscavige, and Mike says it’s getting contentious and argumentative. Judge Waldrip has had to admonish attorneys four or five times.

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1:12 pm

Bennitt says Waldrip really seemed to take notice when Ray Jeffrey brought up a 2009 issue of Freedom magazine.

Jeffrey had told us this was coming. In that issue Miscavige is clearly described as defender of the faith.

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1:13 pm

The Freedom mag included an e-mail from Miscavige to Tobin and Childs about their “Truth Rundown” series. The issue also included a reference to Miscavige opening up the Ideal Org in Dallas.

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1:15 pm

After Freedom mag was introduced, Lamont Jefferson rose to speak about it, but Waldrip hit him with this…

“Mr. Jefferson how does somebody personally oversee the matters of the church without having any personal involvement?”

The Freedom issue had talked about Miscavige personally overseeing Scientology’s operations.

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1:17 pm

So they are still arguing about the motion for continuance, Mike says. And just like last time, Scientology has a contingent of about 14 lawyers.

After lunch, Cedillo (CSI’s attorney) wants to rebut all of the sworn declarations filed by Monique’s side.

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1:19 pm

Bennitt says that Jefferson was again making pains to keep separate CSI, RTC, etc. And Mike says that the Judge interrupted at one point and said, Remind me again what the purpose of the separation of entities is?

So once again, it’s alphabet soup.

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1:20 pm

In the last half hour, Elliott Cappuccio rebutted Jefferson in a very animated and coherent style, Mike says. Elliott was effective citing case law, he says.

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1:43 pm

Hey, we found that 2009 letter that Miscavige wrote to Tobin and Childs which was in the issue of Freedom that Ray Jeffrey put into evidence today. And yes, we can see why it’s a problem for Miscavige. Here’s the text…

20 June 2009

Dear Mr. Childs and Mr. Tobin,

I have been advised that you have decided to move forward with your story without my interview. This, despite the fact confirmed more than three weeks ago that I would make myself available on a date certain (6 July), after you spoke to other relevant Church personnel and toured Church facilities, and that I would provide information annihilating the credibility of your sources including the fundamental crimes against the Scientology religion that were the reasons for their removal from post. You were advised that information would include addressing the extraordinary “admissions” of one of your sources regarding a long-settled legal matter.

I was advised Thursday that you would only interview me on Friday, although you well knew it would be impossible for me to meet with you this week because of a long-standing commitment to be aboard the SMV Freewinds for a week of religious events at the Church’s annual OT Summit. I am at a loss to comprehend how the St. Petersburg Times can publish a story about me and the religion I lead without accepting the offer to speak with me, on the pretense that you cannot wait until after I have fulfilled my religious commitments.

While you have already received unequivocal statements frmo more than a score of witnesses, along with documentary evidence, providing incontrovertible proof that your sources are lying, I remain ready to sit down for the requested interview on the date previously confirmed. If you decide not to avail yourself of this opportunity, I insist you do not misrepresent the fact that the decision was yours, not mine.

Kind regards.

Sincerely,

David Miscavige

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1:54 pm

So, to review. What’s at stake today is that Scientology leader David Miscavige wants out of this lawsuit through the filing of a “special appearence.” His lawyer, Lamont Jefferson, has been arguing that Miscavige is too busy being the “ecclesiastical” leader of a worldwide religion to get his hands dirty with the harassment campaign against the Rathbuns that a separate entity, the Church of Scientology International, has admitted to. (They’re throwing CSI under the bus in an attempt to get Miscavige out of the lawsuit, in other words.)

Also, Jefferson has said that Miscavige is so unencumbered by the activities of the Rathbuns, he doesn’t even know Marty.

And that’s why this 2009 letter from Freedom is so possibly devastating. It shows Miscavige chewing out the St. Petersburg Times for not waiting for him to personally explain to them why Marty Rathbun and the other high-ranking defectors are all liars — he should know, since he runs the joint.

Monique is arguing that it clearly shows there’s one person who can really answer the question about David Miscavige’s involvement in the Rathbun harassment campaign in Texas — and that’s Miscavige himself. And that’s why she’s asking for a continuance, a delay, in order to take his testimony before the question of his motion to be dismissed from the lawsuit can be decided.

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2:02 pm

Here’s some video from Mike Bennitt…

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2:08 pm

Did you catch that? That was George Spencer (local attorney for the Church of Scientology International) accusing Marty Rathbun of “frankly, cultish agenda.”

Only David Miscavige would think that an effective jab, and we can guarantee you, it was Miscavige who ordered Spencer to use that language in court today.

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3:06 pm

It was just brought to our attention that we had the wrong document linked in the main body of the story above. The correct motion from Monique asking for a continuance on the anti-SLAPP matter is now linked correctly.

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4:03 pm

Bennitt’s back out. Another contentious session in the afternoon, he says. Jeffrey’s voice was literally shaking at times, he says.

Still no decision yet on anything.

The hearing will be resuming on Friday morning. In the meantime, Waldrip will be reading declarations and the church’s objections to them.

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4:05 pm

Mike says Friday they’ll take up the jurisdictional issue again, so that means the anti-SLAPP matter gets pushed back, but Waldrip noted that the 60-day limit on the anti-SLAPP motion occurs on December 17.

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4:08 pm

When Ricardo Cedillo (CSI’s attorney) brought up the deadline on the anti-SLAPP motion (Dec. 17), the attorney for defendant Monty Drake suddenly spoke up, saying that he was going to Dallas tomorrow and needed to know if he’d have to rush back to New Braunfels on Friday.

Drake said he needed to argue the anti-SLAPP matter and asked to start arguing it this afternoon. But Waldrip told him he needed to “compartmentalize” material and was focused on the jurisdictional issue first.

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4:09 pm

So 9 am Friday, the hearing on Monique’s motion for a continuance on the jurisdictional question will continue.

Our great thanks to Mike Bennitt for being on the scene and giving us these updates.

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4:15 pm

Getting a statement from Monique’s team soon…

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4:28 pm

Just talked to Ray Jeffrey, who didn’t sound like he’d been through a contentious day at all.

We asked him for the upshot of today’s hearing.

“The beauty of it is, they launched all these paragraph-long objections to our declarations. Binders of them. That’s going to force the judge to read it all, line by line. And when he finishes it, I think it will have a powerful effect on him,” Ray says. But obviously, not the effect Scientology is looking for.

We asked about Lamont Jefferson showing images on the big screen from the IAS gala a couple of weeks ago. “They are making the point that Miscavige is the ecclesiastical leader, he’s busy. And they brought up the decision in England, about marriage, which Marty had predicted they would do. But it doesn’t look good for them,” he says.

We think we know what he means. When we were in the courtroom in October, the Scientology team showed similar images that just came off plastic and fake. And this judge is no dummy. One wonders if these attorneys would try such an approach if Miscavige wasn’t such a micromanager of their work.

We asked what else Jeffrey was telling the judge.

“I was just pointing out how the church is stonewalling and giving us witnesses who are not with Miscavige for any appreciable amount of time. We need the deposition of David Miscavige. We also need documents. They’ve given us some documents, but it’s just stuff they want us to see. Like their corporate papers,” he says. “They haven’t given us one operational document. Not one e-mail or text message — there’s nothing from the surveillance operation itself. And we know they’re a record-intensive organization. There have to be documents.”

Scientology argued that enough evidence had been submitted to show that Miscavige had no connection to the surveillance operation of the Rathbuns.

“We’ve presented evidence which shows they’re not telling the truth. So we’re at least entitled to take the deposition of Miscavige,” Jeffrey says.

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6:22 pm

Just learned that there was another article in the 2009 Freedom magazine that was even more crucial and may have been what really impressed Judge Waldrip.

Stand by and we’ll soon have some excerpts from it posted here.

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6:26 pm

From “The Story They Refused to Tell: David Miscavige and the Scientology Renaissance” (Freedom, 2009)…

Conspicuously missing from the 16 pages of the S.P. Times “Special Report” on Scientology is the true face of the Church’s ecclesiastical leader, Mr. David Miscavige, the driving force behind Scientology’s explosive expansion…

Mr. Miscavige has been the driving force behind the worldwide program to expand all of the Churches of Scientology to better serve their communities—to not only become islands of sanity and succor where all are welcome, but to also serve as central points of emanation for the Church’s many social betterment programs aimed at eradicating the crippling plagues of illiteracy, immorality, drug abuse and intolerance.

Mr. Miscavige redefines the term “religious leader” to fit the tasks necessary to direct a truly unique contemporary religion—the only major religion to emerge in the 20th century. And now the religion’s growth has continued at a phenomenal rate in this century, with the number of individuals completing Scientology counseling and course services doubling in just the last two years, as but one example. This is being accomplished through his extraordinary vision in every major aspect, including:

– Personally driving the international dissemination of Scientology;
– Ensuring that the Scriptures of the Scientology religion are pure and true to the Founder’s original writings;
– Establishing units to see to the translation of millions of pages of the Scientology Scriptures into 71 languages;
– Restoring Mr. Hubbard’s written works, recorded lectures and films of his lectures;
– Providing the guidance for the acquisition, construction and creation of ideal Scientology organizations;
– Supplying the direction for the creation of two state-of-the-art digital publishing houses capable of producing 500,000 books and 925,000 CDs per week;
– Providing the vision for crafting, refining and broadening core Scientology social betterment programs in drug education and rehabilitation, education, criminal rehabilitation and human rights;
– Providing support and guidance to the Volunteer Minister Program, the largest independent relief force in the free world, with more than 195,000 Volunteer Ministers who traveled more than 174,000 miles this past year to help an estimated 1.5 million people;
Personally seeing to the successful outcome of critical external affairs issues, including official recognitions of the religion; and
– Planning, creating, producing and presiding over nine annual globally broadcast events that serve as briefings for Scientologists on strategic programs, campaigns, expansion, dissemination and major breakthroughs.

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6:33 pm

So there it is, in Scientology’s own publication — David Miscavige is fully in charge, including external affairs, and he’s the reason Scientology is booming.

But somehow he had nothing to do with a four-year surveillance campaign of Marty Rathbun? And says he shouldn’t be deposed about it because he has no knowledge of it?

Oops. Hoisted by his own publication.

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  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    “a. Deposition and documents from Capt. David Miscavige…” (from Monique’s continuance)

    NO, NO, BIG FAT NO!!! Do NOT puff up this man’s ego by addressing him as captain! He has no valid grounds to call himself captain, other than his own self inflated, megalomaniacal view of himself.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      There is a good reason for referring to him as a Captain. Their argument is that all of CoS is run by the Sea Organization, and as Captain of the Sea Organization, David Miscavige runs it all. That’s why he is being referred to with that title.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        But he’s not a captain, he only calls himself that.

        • DamOTclese2

          To be fair to the insane sociopath, Salvation Army people call themselves “Captain,” so there are other crooks who do it, Miscavige isn’t the only loon.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Of course he’s not a real captain. But for the purposes of their lawsuit against him, he is labelled as such because it helps their case.

          • Baby

            ******Case of Diarrhea *******

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          He couldn’t Capt. a jon boat across a dead calm 2 foot deep stream.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Even Cap’n Crunch is a better captain than he is!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              And much tastier!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I hope you just said that to be funny, and that you have not actually tasted Cap’n Miscavige…

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I was talking Capt. Crunch…………Don’t make me come find you!!!!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Phew. For a moment there… Well, never mind…

            • DamOTclese2

              Does Captain Crunch ever invite people to eat him?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              *refresh*

            • DamOTclese2

              ROFL! Not even for serious money. :)

            • Baby

              Uh Captain Kangaroo… Captain Hook..

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Captain Kirk… Captain Cook… Captain Howdy…

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’m kind of surprised by this comment. I’ve always thought Cap’n Crunch is an excellent Captain and I’m not sure why he has not yet been promoted.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Me neither…….Ok, he was a bit corny and sometimes too sugary…but still.

            • Captain Howdy
            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’ve heard this before, and believe the Cap’n’s explanation to be true. The photo that Quaker Oats chose to use on their boxes was taken while he was still a Commander. He is a real Captain and this is just an unfortunate case of lazy advertising.

            • MaxSpaceman

              It’s for the good of the case, JtFa.

              Captain David Miscavige will be forced to give a deposition in the matter before the Texas Court, New Braunfels, TX.

              It’s a good thing to label him that. It’s actually J&D now! As he is *so* degraded already, in just what he’s done so far – throwing CSI under the bus!

              What a punk-ass piece of sh1t he is!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              And if he does have to show up in court I would have loved to hear the snickers from the spectators when he is addressed as “Cap’n Miscavige.”

      • Sunny Sands

        Captain, waiter, maitre’ d, they’re all the same.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Bellboy…

      • Baby

        He is not fit to Shine Our Captain Howdy’s Boots!

      • Rita Gregory

        Captain Crook.

        • OrangySky

          MK! Here’s a new one!

    • DamOTclese2

      Of course he’s a Captain! Look at the little toy sailor outfit he’s wearing! See?! It says “Captain.”

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Lol.

        “Look at me, mommy, I’m a captain! Mommy, look. Mommy!”

        Poor little dimwit…

        • DamOTclese2

          ROFL! Yeah, cute when they’re 8 years old, not so cute when they’re they’re adults playing pretend. :)

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Exactly ;-)

          • aegerprimo

            And not cute when they hurt A LOT OF PEOPLE!

      • Baby

        Awwwwwwww you should see him ride his little horsie.. He is a little Cowboy too.. so precious

        and for Halloween he went as a Hollow Weinie

        I mean a cute little hot dog..Yeah..that’s what I meant.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Baby, you are funny ;-)

          It’s not just for Halloween he’s a wienie, it’s all year round.

          • Observer

            He certainly was this past Memorial Day!

            • Baby

              OMG..OMG Observer.. I swear to God.. Your timing is absolutely perfect..bawwwwwhahahhahahhaha

              WE LOVE YOU OBS… SO GLAD YOU ARE FEELING BETTER!

            • Rita Gregory

              I’m not going to be eating any hot dogs for a while….

            • MaxSpaceman

              Thank you!
              Me neither. From now on, range fed meat.

            • Mooser

              That is an excellent way to recycle outmoded stoves!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I can’t help it, but am I the only one who reads all your posts with the Observer voice in my head???

              I would almost say that I’ve seen too much MST3K, but I don’t think I will ever get too much of it (and I’ve probably racked up way over 1000 hours of it…)

            • Observer

              You can never see too much MST3K!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              COB wienie – tastes like chicken…

        • DamOTclese2

          Those tiny little boots. :)

        • DamOTclese2

          I think David should dress up in little toy space suit outfits. :)

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            “Look mommy, I’m Xenu, galactic overlord!”

            What a little fruit loop…

            • DamOTclese2

              “Some day, mommy. Some day I’ll have the fear and respect of trillions of planets full of groveling subjects.” :)

              What do they call the syndrome where short stature men, usually, some times have deep psychological difficulties from being short?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I think it’s actually called ‘Miscavige Syndrome’.

            • Her_Royal_Blondeness

              Napolean complex! Or penis envy?

            • DamOTclese2

              “Humm… difficult choice” — Reverend Jim, Taxi. :)

          • chukicita

            remember before there was shooping? we used to call him the Poodle and imagine him as Ty-D-Bowl man.

            • DamOTclese2

              Yeah, I remember. :) Ah, good times. And “The Ho” was great fun, too, more so when that little pet name for Helena was brought up in court for the record. :) he he he.

            • chukicita

              I believe the full name was “Ho of Babble-on.” And YES I remember that! :D

    • OrangySky

      As vile as it may be, it’s important for them to keep using the term ‘Captain’ because they are reinforcing his role as the supreme leader of the Sea Org.

    • Robert Eckert

      In Texas it probably reminds the judge of the kind of pompous ass who insists on being called “Colonel” or whatever, although when pressed it will turn out this title isn’t from military service but from some pretentious club.

  • Room 101

    (REFRESH)

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      He better get used to having SeaOrg following him around and doing his laundry and rinsing his dirty knickers in clean water, 13 times.
      Because he is going to be doing this a LOT…or so it seems.

    • Sandy

      .For some reason I like the term underpants. Sound more “little boyish”

      • DamOTclese2

        LOL! Everyone devolves in to 8-year-olds. :)

    • aegerprimo

      Ecclesiatical skid marks. Nice.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        GAH!!!!

      • DamOTclese2

        Watch the insane clown copyright his skid marks and start selling copies to his surviving customers.

    • i-Betty

      Haha!

  • DamOTclese2

    the driving force behind Scientology’s explosive expansion

    ROFL! Oh! You bastard liars! LOL. Who believes such obvious bullshit? The surviving customers sure don’t. They can look around at their business offices and book stores and see they’re holding the fort by their lonesomes. So who do these aholes think they’re fooling? Seriously.

  • El Con Blubbard

    El Ron Blubbard did say… the criminal always gets caught…and Slappy cannot keep up with his own lies…nor can his criminal attorneys!! Great day SP’s….The Cult is going down!!

  • aegerprimo

    JBWriter’s updated list of Scientology court dates on ESMB. Updated to reflect the Friday the 13th in Comal TX –

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?33154-Scientology-Narconon-Court-Dates-2013-amp-2014&p=885485&viewfull=1#post885485
    (BTW – if you did not know, you do not have to be a member of the forum to view this thread. All of the forums ESMB, WWP, OCMB, RFTTP are Read Only for lurkers, Read & Write for members.)

    • Noni Mause

      How safe is it to participate? Read somewhere you should have a VPN.

      • aegerprimo

        Don’t know anything about VPNs. I have a firewall… Haven’t heard of any members getting hacked by OSA. The Anons at WWP might know more about such things.

  • DamOTclese2

    Volunteer Minister Program, the largest independent relief force in the free world, with more than 195,000 Volunteer Ministers

    ROFL! That’s quite an achievement considering the insane crooks only have something less than 30,000 remaining Scientology customers world wide. What, each Scientology customer dragged an average of 6.5 Body Thetans with them when they went to disaster areas to have their friggen photographs taken? LOL.

    Some how 6.5 times the actual number of surviving Scientology customers were “Vulture Ministers.” ROFL!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Man, they are pissing up the rope lately!

      • DamOTclese2

        They’re expanding live never before! World wide! Explosive growth! More bodies in the shop than ever! Doubling every 2 years! ROFL!

      • Observer

        Well, at least something is straight up and vertical then.

        • Rita Gregory

          Bawahahahahahahahaha!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I literally ..Snorted!

    • aegerprimo

      I scanned the Freedom Mag earlier today, it is PACKED with exaggerated numbers aka Scientology math.

      • DamOTclese2

        Isn’t that amusing? Why didn’t they use their new E Meter to get 50,000 times more accurate numbers of how many Vulture Ministers they they they have? :)

      • OrangySky

        I think Dan Sherman and David Miscavige get wasted together and get hysterical while they make up crazy numbers for various stats . Maybe they’ve got a dartboard or dice or something that they use.

    • Observer

      “Feel my finger!”

      • DamOTclese2

        Methane Tech! David will trademark and copyright that next.

    • OrangySky

      Very funny.

  • Baby

    At the request of a very popular Bunkerette.. Tetloj.. I created this for us! and if you can remember to nudge your fellow forum buddy not to Feed the Trolls we will tell Santa. Thanks.. Baby

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      who you talkin about willis?

      • Baby

        hahahha OMG I thought you downvoted me..bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahhahahahaha

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          LOL……….Naw……..down votes bore me. I save them for only one poster…………….he who cannot be named!!!!

          • Baby

            I was looking for one I could jazz up a bit ( don’t feed trolls) and I didn’t pick a cute/ or funny one.. Cause Trolls are neither cute or funny..

            So Laurence Fishburne is Our Guy! HE MEANS BUSINESS

    • Sarah James

      No troll feeding, it was getting perverse. When you think they are being punished to do it and punished for not doing it well enough. Are they going to allowed to sleep or eat their beans and rice? I can live without feeding them.

      • Baby

        I know it’s a catch 22, huh Sarah.. Damn it.. But you are right..It is getting ridiculous..

        Does anyone know if their stats go up if they are downvoted.. ?

        • Rita Gregory

          We need a recent ex to tell us.

          • Baby

            Thank you for your respectful response to my simple question Rita… ; )

            ( I’m heading over to Radar to see what’s shakin)

        • Noni Mause

          Wouldn’t be surprised.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Who cares about their stats? They are all lies!
          They can report eleventy billion downvotes on the bunker……what does that mean?
          Statistically, you cannot stay on a one way trend without falling off a cliff.
          It is a joke on a gerbil wheel.

          I will again quote this:
          The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

          Idiotas!

          • Baby

            Well.. Nail me to the cross…for asking..

            ( wink wink…Damn it feels good to pick on you for a change..)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I know….u love it.
              MUAH!!!

            • Baby

              who in the hell is downvoting this crap..hahahah must be desperate..

          • Mooser

            You know what a downvote is? I’m pretty sure a downvote is a hit, just like an upvote.
            That doesn’t mean I don’t wake up with a wet pillow the morning after I get one! Those people should pay me lachrymony!

        • DamOTclese2

          Every time they click a down vote, one of their Body Thetans flees, and that’s $1,200 they saved since that’s a BT they don’t have to pay to have scraped off.

          • Baby

            hahahhahahahhaa OK.. well they’ll just get more …that’s a given..

            More Thetans more $

        • OrangySky

          Someone here (an ex) said that a downvote counts as a stat.

    • Great White Clam

      Wait. the trolls are being left to starve now? No body to feed them? No body to feel their finger? Nobody to feel their pain?

      Damm. What happened to the one that used to ride the tiny pink and rainbow pony with the silver cardboard horn? Looked just like a unicorn……. {sob}

      • Baby

        hahhhahaha

  • Observer

    Mr. Miscavige redefines the term “religious leader” … And how!

    • i-Betty

      The words ‘religious’ and ‘leader’ redefined to mean ‘proper little tit’.

      • Great White Clam

        proper little tit

        tit dwarf

        David Miscavige AKA the lesser tit Dwarf.

    • DamOTclese2

      Yeah, I barked laughter at that irony. :)

  • ShoopZ

    I would think this has to have been done already. If not…it’s been done now!

    • Baby

      hahahha Fabulous Shoop…

  • Noni Mause

    “– Personally seeing to the successful outcome of critical external affairs issues, including official recognitions of the religion.”

    - he’s screwed.

    • Observer

      Does he forget he writes this crap about himself (or forces other people to), or does he just think wogs are so stupid that they’d never come up with the idea of using his own publications against him?

      • aegerprimo

        Don’t forget, DM is a Big Being. Everyone else = YSCOHB

        • ShoopZ

          I need to remember that when I tweet. #YSCOHB

          • aegerprimo

            I just submitted it to UrbanDictionary.com

            • OrangySky

              Stroke of genius, Aeger.

            • Baby

              bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahhahaha OMG funny

            • aquaclara

              You did? Brilliant move!

            • aegerprimo

              We await approval. As of this moment, not in yet.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          And Lou: SCOCOB

        • pronoia

          OMG! I just remembered those texts from his personal communicator (and wouldn’t it be fun to depose Lou? Only after el capitano has been of course) on Rinder’s blackberry which by now are hopefully printed out in binder form to be entered as evidence re his micromanagement. Didn’t Mike work for OSA? What is OSA under? CSI or RTC? Hmmmm.

          • OrangySky

            That’s the stuff I want to hear. The stuff they’ve recorded and texted over the years.
            By the way, if they could track down the cell phone number and accounts used by Miscavige, Laurisse, the detectives, Linda Hamel, et al during Squirrel Busters heyday, they can subpoena them. Those texts will live on forever in the interwebz. I really would love to read them. They will tell quite a story.

            • Baby

              OMG Orangy.. That is how the Mayor of Detroit was brought down..and his ( Hi ranking official that he was having an affair with..)

              They subpoenaed the company that held the records and they were released.. ( Text) and both were convicted on numerous charges

            • Robert Eckert

              It was an official city phone. The city kept all the records (in fact, by law they were required to). The classic joke from that period was: I DID NOT HAVE TEXT WITH THAT WOMAN!

            • Baby

              Yep.. You know it well.. Good old Kwame..hahahaa Oh and Christine Beatty..

              I still have my ” Recall the Mayor ” T shirt from his Recall Picket..ha

      • OrangySky

        Both, I’m sure, but mostly the latter.

      • Noni Mause

        I think he feels so well-buffered (wouldn’t you if had a gazillion bucks in the bank and a murder of lawyers working for you?) that the notion that this sort of stuff could *actually* come back to bite him doesn’t even enter his mind.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Droitless Mischief, narcissist that he is, must be recognized for being the kindest, most generous, most helpful and competent religious leader of the ages. He alone has been able to navigate the confusing currents of todays society while constantly being challenged by the evil intentions of government and the stupidity of the minions he is saddled with.

    He wants to tell his story. He has to tell his story. You are going to hear his story if he has to tie you down and shout in your ear.

    For so long now he has had to bring scientology to the world by himself, taking the entire weight of the endeavor on his lone diminutive yet devilishly attractive shoulders. No one, NO ONE has contributed anything to the forward progress of man but this sadly endowed, proud but strangely humble man-child as he has taken the flawed tools of his dedicated staff and literally beaten them into the the implements he needs to fill the vast boots in the sky left by L. Ron Hubbard.

    This must be known. For too long now he has heard it only in his own head. You bear it with him now.

    This court case, this tiny, insignificant case in the insignificant state of Texas will be the final showdown between the forces of self-love and the forces of evil. While showing with characteristic humility everything he has done to forward the future safety and happiness of himself, … and mankind, across the globe even to such minor details as which doorknobs to use on the front entrances of churches, BY HIM SELF, he will demonstrate to the vast army of internet addicted blog readers and scum sucking apostates that he had nothing to do with anything, what ever it is.

    He personally will RIP THE FACE OFF THAT IMMODEST JUSTICE CHICK with the brilliant and self-effacing legal strategy, better than any those slimy big brained lawyers can come up with, that he has been crafting and refining in over thirty years of evading justice.

    Not withstanding the ineffable truth that he is the greatest human being that ever lived, who has to do everything himself, he will convince even the most jaded jurist of his absolute innocence in every matter, as he was buying shirts in London at the time.

    He will testify. His testimony will be a thing of beauty and sadness. It will spontaneously bring to tears every soul in the courtroom and every blogger on the fringes of the internet listening in. Tears so great and so profuse, coupled with gasping choking efforts to suppress their raw reaction to such poignant elocution that it will be mistaken for hysteria. Loud, long and sustained efforts to breath through the convulsions generated by the stunning truth of the reality of his personal burden.

    You may laugh, dismissive of any such possibility. Mark my words.

    • DamOTclese2

      I tell ya, none of us truly appreciate the man’s genius. :)

    • Observer

      Bravo! *applause*

    • aegerprimo

      That. Was. Pure. AWESOMENESS!

    • Sherbet

      My goodness, “Time” has chosen the wrong cleric!

    • Rita Gregory

      Beautiful. I think I’m gonna cry.

    • Great White Clam

      I just peed a little

      • Snippy_X

        No you didn’t.

        • Great White Clam

          Wow. Then it must have been a pee thetan.

          • monkeyknickers

            HAHAHA

      • DamOTclese2

        Scientology can help you with that!

    • i-Betty

      “strangely humble man-child”

      Glorious! I’m howling with laughter!

    • Missionary Kid

      DING!, DING!, DING!, DING! Congratulations! You just came up with the 400th Nickname for David Mi$cavige http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1084225544 Good show, everyone!

      • Rita Gregory

        DMass.

        • Baby

          hahahhahaha DMass DMass

        • Missionary Kid

          O.K., what does DMass mean?
          Edit: I take it that it means DM ass.

          • Rita Gregory

            Yep,

            • Missionary Kid

              I put DMass on the list.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Thank you!

        • aquaclara

          You deserve this honor x 10. Tipping my hat to you!

          • Missionary Kid

            He certainly does!

        • Missionary Kid

          It was sheer chance that it was you, but you’ve also contributed a lot of other things to my lists, so it was entirely appropriate.

        • Missionary Kid

          Believe it or not, but #400 was Droitless Mischief, and 401 is Duplicitous Morbidite. I skipped over it earlier.

      • OrangySky

        Lucky 400!

    • Baby

      MOVIE..MOVIE…MOVIE…MOVIE …. Puhllllllllllllease I want to see a movie of this whole Shabang..

      Remember ” All the President’s Men? ” It will look like a nursery rhyme compared to this.

      • Rita Gregory

        With Lou as ‘Deep Throat”.

    • OrangySky

      I think you hit it on the head, Michael. But I’d venture that “This court case, this tiny, insignificant case in the insignificant
      state of Texas will be the final showdown between the forces of
      self-love and the forces of evil”

      …may be more accurately stated “the final showdown between the forces of self-preservation and the forces of extreme narcissism.”

      Because if he gets on the stand, I can’t imagine that in Davey’s currently near-insane state of mind, we won’t have some sort of “Colonel Jessup” moment. “You need me on that wall!”

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        ’tis true. I believe that the Duplicitous Morbidite will not be able to avoid incriminating himself either in deposition or in cross examination in court. His special appearance submission is already revealed as a tissue of lies. if somehow he steals the cowardly lions heart and gets a bit of courage and appears, he might avoid some of the more draconian penalties.

        And, brilliant as he is, he could ‘clear’ himself and believably explain himself in a way that puts the onus on others. Of course to do that he would have to bypass his legal team, insist on showing up and manage it himself. If he doesn’t, no one will ever appreciate the true mastery of life that permeates the Dainty One.

      • Robert Eckert

        We use words like havingness, and entheta, and KSW– you use them as a punchline! The death of Lisa McPherson, tragic though it may be, probably cleared planets… Somewhere deep inside, in a place you don’t talk about with your psych, you want me on that Oiliness Table, you need me on that Smell Wall!

        • monkeyknickers

          HA!

          So sadly, I really liked that movie – despite cruise.

    • monkeyknickers

      I love you with love and loveness. :)

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Awwww. i’m touched.

        Thanks. Love you back.

  • Madora Pennington

    This is such fun!!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Ok, first..You need to post more.
      And please……………never ever change that AV!

  • Madora Pennington

    Cute – taking credit for the number of miles the VMs flew at their own expense!

    • DamOTclese2

      Funny, yeah. ‘Course you have to take their numbers and divide by 10,000 to get anywhere close to the actual miles their dimwitted idiots flew for photo shoots.

  • Hobson’sChoice

    Honestly?! How is George Spencer’s moral compass so far off course? Do these lawyers do anything for money?! He is spitting out the same rhetoric that he used during Debbie Cook’s situation. Back then he said things like: “As we predicted and feared, the defendant and her attorney used the court process to make numerous gross, false and disparaging statements.” (and) “We certainly dispute and believe it’s totally false that they were subjected to duress and undue influence.” Really!? It is like listening to a broken record. Typical…. these are false allegations, grossly maligning the saint Mr. Miscavige. And today… “Frankly, cultish agenda” Really?! I’m sure DM is really mad at you Mr. Spencer. You forgot to use his favorite word of all “bigot”. Even Tommy Davis and Kirstie Alley use that one!
    PS: Sweet Dreams. A mute conscience must be a wonderful thing at 2:00am.

    • pronoia

      He is sleeping well every night knowing that not only has he just earned his kids college tuition to the institution of their choice, but also the wifey can hire that decorator she has been after him for and everyone will be satisfied for a time while he rakes in more and more dough as long as disgruntled apostates keep moving to Texas and saying stuff about COB on the internet.

    • OrangySky

      Well, he’s a lawyer. I love all our lawyers here on the Bunker and I love my own fearless litigator especially right now and I’m fascinated by the law and wish I’d gone to law school some days. BUT…their duty is to vigorously represent their clients. To some (not all!) lawyers, that means, “Say anything.” To a Scientology lawyer, it seems to mean internalizing LRH’s ‘new and improved’ definition of ‘ethics’ as well.

      And as Tony and others have pointed out, Miscavige is pulling the puppet strings here. This is one case where the attorneys have ZERO control or influence over their clients. Little Davey knows best and can do EVERYTHING better than anyone in any field – remember the declaration about the autopsy dummy in the Lisa McPherson case?

      I wonder (and perhaps our Bunker Legal Eagles can weigh in) if at a certain point, these attorneys just decided to phone it in and do whatever Davey says? I wonder what it feels like to be a Scientology lawyer – not talking about the Yinglings and Moxons, but the everyday local folk hired for specific cases.

      Would one of our attorneys here care to imagine?

      • Hobson’sChoice

        Good points, Sunshine! I think that sometimes lawyers enjoy representing an entity because of the prestige of such a big client… but how much ‘good will’ or ‘reputation boost’ can a law firm get representing Scientology? That is a curious thought.

        • OrangySky

          I’d think newbie Scientology lawyers might want to do it to get on “the notoriety map” for being able to vigorously defend indefensible clients. Maybe some of them just want the legal challenge (I know a criminal defense attorney who crows on FACEBOOK every time she gets her scummy clients off…she doesn’t seem to realize that some of her friends reading it might take offense at hearing how she got a third drunk driving charge bargained down to a moving violation). But most of them, I believe, want the money.

      • Anonymous

        I think what is happening is that there have been so many lies told, over so many years, over the course of so many different cases, each lie being expedient then, but not now, that it is impossible to keep the stories straight….estoppel and all that, be damned.

        Add to this the desperate need that wee Davey feels to avoid being deposed and potentially held liable for everything he’s been doing to Monique (and the floodgates a loss in this case would open up)….and we are seeing some truly embarrassing moments in the courtroom.

        The Scientology lawyers can only absorb so much….each of the fifteen has only been involved in SOME of the lies told earlier (and they may not even know in most cases they have been lied to by their client) so they themselves cannot possibly keep everything straight.

        All of this is vectoring straight towards the wee one…everything in the church has in fact been emanating from him for decades…he’s been telling everyone that for years and years at events, on the church websites, in Freedom Magazine, in letters to the press etc.

        Now all of sudden he’s “not involved” in conducting the retaliation against Monique (and Marty) in probably the most serious threat to the church’s reputation since Hubbard’s death? Really?

        He’s the ONLY ONE that can keep the lies straight. The rest of his crew (including the multitudes of lawyers) are so compartmentalized, they just do not know how it all hangs together…and professionals that they are…they cannot put together a coherent story that covers all the loose ends. IMHO.

        • OrangySky

          Was there a push to get Davey on the stand in Lisa McPherson? I don’t know the details of the legal clusterfuck that that case turned out to be.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          That’s why I think he will ultimately take the stand. He and he alone can bring true logic to the seeming illogical mess and give a convincing narrative of what has happened.

          He is the ONLY ONE.

          • Anonymous

            Got the ONLY ONE reference, which is ironic beyond belief at this point.

    • DamOTclese2

      I would love to take Scientology’s money from them like these lawyers are doing, and fucking Miscavige up the ass demanding more and more dollars each time he opens his shitter and demands I spew another one of his lies for the court, the only problem is I would not do so because it harms innocent people, the plaintiffs.

      Lawyers will do whatever they think is needed to win, morals and ethics are irrelevant though I would love to see lawyers be forced to be placed under oath so they can be put in prison for their own lies

  • Missionary Kid

    Totally off topic. I had lunch at In-N-Out with a friend of mine, Pat. I sat while he picked up the food, and he said that there was a couple sitting at another table, and the man looked like Alice Cooper. I walked over to refill my drink, and took a closer look. I wasn’t sure. Pat is a big fan, but he didn’t want to bother Alice, and I was reluctant to approach him. As we were leaving, Pat left for the car and I lingered to refill my drink and finally approached Alice, still not sure if it was him, so I asked the one question that Alice Cooper would know the answer to immediately, “Excuse me, are you a PK?” [PK means Preacher's Kid].

    He immediately and answered “Yes,” and his wife, Cheryl, answered, “I am too.” He then said, “As a matter of fact, I’m an MK, too.”

    Of course, I had to explain that I also was an MK.

    If anyone would have thought that I should have asked about his music, I didn’t, because we talked about PK and MK stuff. It turns out that not only was his father a preacher, but he was a missionary to the Navajo, and his Grandfather to the Apache. He said he grew up with Indians as his friends. His wife’s father was a Baptist minister, and Alice is now a Christian, and has been for 25 years. I didn’t talk about my beliefs, but they told me about church work they’re involved with.

    I think the both of them appreciated that someone approached them about something different than music or golf. I would have talked longer, but Pat called me from the car and was anxious to get going.

    I’ve said before that being a PK or an MK puts one in a fraternity that opens doors everywhere to others with similar backgrounds. From what I understand, Alice is normally quite friendly, but I could tell the topic was one he enjoyed talking about.

    • music8r

      MK, I wish I could have been a fly on the wall. And I wish I knew more about your MK experience and the stories you must have. :-)

      • Missionary Kid

        This was a conversation of only a few minutes. I gave them a shorthand version of my background as an MK. His wife was familiar with the denomination that my parents were affiliated with. As a matter of fact, their church is working together with my parents’ denomination on an outreach program for gang and at-risk youth using the arts. Music, dance, etc.

    • Baby

      That is so fabulous Kid.. Especially with you both being MK… How fun..

      Jeeze you have been meeting quite the celebrities lately.. xo

      • Missionary Kid

        If I would have more time, I would have talked more about his music and life. We did get into symbolism, and one of the things that he said was that a lot of the younger guys have no idea of what the symbols they’re using actually mean.

    • OrangySky

      Great story, MK. Love Alice Cooper. Weird persona (I was in elementary school when he was really big and my parents were horrified!) but terrific musician and as I’ve always heard, genuinely good person. I recently put “School’s Out” on a vacation ‘mix CD’ I made for Mr. Sky.

      He’s lucky to have met you ;-)!

      • Missionary Kid

        Thank you. I just tried to talk to him on a personal level, because after all, we’re all human beings. As to him being lucky to meet me, thanks for the compliment, but it was a pleasant conversation about something we share in our life histories.

    • DamOTclese2

      Wow, that’s fantastic! I have always loved his work, mostly because the world is round. :)

      • Missionary Kid

        I never even mentioned the music, and his wife was the one that brought up the church work they’re doing with music and dance as well as I believe, video.

        I’m just reporting on a person who happened to be a pioneer of a particular branch of R&R.

    • aquaclara

      This is great. I met him in Phoenix a little over a year ago-what a genuinely nice person!

      • Missionary Kid

        He certainly was. From reports I’ve read, he’s one of the easiest people to approach. I’m sure he got a kick out of the Wayne’s World cameo he did, but he’s really down to earth.

    • Cece

      Oh MK that is just wonderful! I dream of meeting Bob Dylan one day – it will come….
      When a favorite creditor wanted really hard to get ahold of me when I was very busy in AOLA Finance, he left a message with reception: “fr. Bob Dylan Pls call XXX-XXXX”
      Oh man for a split sec I really thought it was him!

      • Missionary Kid

        If I met Dylan, I definitely wouldn’t have the same connection, because he grew up Jewish, and a definite minority in Hibbing, MN. I’d probably ask him to tell me what Woody Guthrie and Ramblin’ Jack Elliot were like.

        I remember the first time I heard Dylan. There were some guys who lived in the same apartment building I did in 1963, and I could hear what I took to be hillbilly music coming from their apartment. They didn’t seem to be the type, so I hung out with them & listened to Dylan. It certainly wasn’t hillbilly music. It was Dylan, and I liked it, in spite of his voice.

    • monkeyknickers

      I honestly think you need to write a book. Your stories are fantastic. Or maybe . . . a series of shorts? Just . .. . . you are really fascinating, you devil. :))

      • Missionary Kid

        Mebbe I’m a good liar. ;-) Sometimes, I feel like a second-hand Zelig. I haven’t been at world-shaking events, but I’ve been sometimes one or two degrees away.

        • monkeyknickers

          Is a Zelig one of those . . . . early blimps that caught fire? (scrunch)

          You could say “liar” or you could just write it down and say, “wonderful fiction based on real life events.” :)

          • Missionary Kid

            From Wikipedia:

            Zelig is a 1983 American mockumentary written and directed by Woody Allen, and starring Allen and Mia Farrow. Allen plays Leonard Zelig, a nondescript enigma who, out of his desire to fit in and be liked, takes on the characteristics of strong
            personalities around him. The film, presented as a documentary, recounts
            Zelig’s intense period of celebrity in the 1920s and includes analysis from present day intellectuals.

            The film was photographed and narrated in the style of 1920s black-and-white newsreels, which are interwoven with archival footage from the era and re-enactments of real historical events. Color segments from the present day interview real and fictional personages, including Saul Bellow and Susan Sontag.

            You can look it up at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelig

  • WhereIsSHE

    This is also part of Scientology’s own publication outlining Miscavige’s responsibilities:

    “– Ensuring that the Scriptures of the Scientology religion are pure and true to the Founder’s original writings;”

    Do the Squirrel Buster activities outside of Monique’s home when she lived on the bay (or the church defendants LAWYERS attempt to create a “religious” explanation for such activities) not fall under this particular category?

    I would BOLD and HIGHLIGHT this one, too, because –as usual– the road leads back to Miscavige.

  • Baby

    *** ANNOUNCEMENT ***GREAT JOB YOU GUYS…WOO HOO..

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/12/do-tom-john-know-ex-scientologists-allege-physical-psychological-abuse-inside-scientologys-forced-labor-camp-prison/

    Radar had a story today.. and it was linked here..( It’s been buried OVER THERE ..but that is OK..)

    There were 187 posts 15 was from a Troll Dog6 ( all typical troll crap..) 5 were from just a variety of people who just showed up not trolling… but didn’t know what the big deal was..

    and 167 were 100% UB with a smattering of those that agreed with us and put their valuable 2 cents in..

    We literally Ran him out of town.. NOT by bullying, but by giving so much info about SCN crimes, policies.. and he knew that the more he posted the more INFO we would bring..

    MAN THAT BURNED HIS ASS BIG TIME.. His last post was..

    **** That the last post will go the Extremist Org ( hahahahahaha ) *********

    OMG so many people read Radar.. we can’t post links, but we can get the word out big time about Tony…and this fabulous site. So VICTORY BELONGS TO US Bunker family.. Woo Hoo…

    • OrangySky

      Raising Tony’s stats – and just before a Thursday!

      • Baby

        Woo Hoo..I am so proud of all of us..

        We remained calm… collected.. he just gave up.. it was fabulous.. You can NOT match our collective minds when it comes to the facts we have gotten from the Bunker..books WWP..etc..

        We could play Jeopardy and win..If the category was.. ” Scientology facts..”

        8 million…?

        Alex.. What is the Number of World Wide Scn that Scientology claims for membership, but it’s really around 20,0000 and dropping… ( As we all jump up and down..hahahah)

      • DamOTclese2

        Yeah, half of Radar Online’s stats should be given to Tony since that’s where they came from. :)

    • Eclipse-girl

      what great stats. Thank you for the work

      • Baby

        E… You were fabulous.. Man you just spit out the facts.. I just loved it.. We stuck to the facts.. and he wanted to shatter us..HAHAH..

        US.. ? Shit We Are the Bunker..We DO NOT SHATTER.. We got Tony ..and they got

        OMG ..they have DM ( bawwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahhahaah) Tony VS DM.. No contest.

        • Eclipse-girl

          we all made a good team. Thank and My thanks to everyone.

    • DamOTclese2

      I loved that “extremist org.” LOL! And that was a guy (probably a guy) who wanted to pretend he could hide the fact that he’s a Scientology customer despite his scienospeak and unfortunate Study Tech misuse of words. :)

      • Baby

        Just a joke..He didn’t have a prayer Dam..

        • DamOTclese2

          :) Yeah, good grief, it was a blood bath. :)

    • Baby

      I wanted to add.. I usually stay up late and get up late..

      If someone goes to radar and sees a Post about SCN ( Radar has been doing a lot lately because they know it will increase views.. )

      Post the link… over here and we will show up.. I know we can’t link.. but I did write TonyOrtega Dot Org and it waited for moderation..but that was a while ago.. We can try it again.. they be lax because they know that we post..

      and make sure we give credit to Tony educating us.. and presenting the facts etc.

      We also want to bring people over here.. OK night all.. My butt is tired.. xoxo Baby.. xox Love you all..

      Great day in the Bunker..and Info is in the Judge’s hands I can’t imagine what he is thinking as he is reading declarations.. WTF? WTF ? WTF UH? WTF

      • KJP in Portland

        That’s the only thing I’ll miss about being out of work…I liked to stay up late and get up late.

        I can get used to early hours again /shrug!

    • Hugo12

      Hi Baby, Yes, it was fun to watch 6dog get bombarded…I went back and he/she added to their last post about us getting the last word…

      They wrote this LOOOOOOOONG crazy addition about a page long…another tactic used by Scientology trolls to get people bored and move to another story, etc. I told 6dog that wouldn’t work either, as that is a known tactic as well.

      So maybe we can add a few more comments on the top so that 6dog gets pushed further down and knows their “little trick” didn’t work? I also don’t know why there were only about 190 comments when the story is one of the most shocking that Radar has posted about Scientology. I thought it would be FLOODED with comments. I mean, even the Kirstie Alley one got about 300 last week…??

      • Baby

        You know Hugo.. I truly believe the story didn’t get that many posts as Alleys is because we were prepared..

        There were alot of Trolls that showed up on Alley’s post if I remember..so they were ahead of the game until we came..so they got a head start..( I’m too lazy to look)

        and it also depends on the news of the day..Like Ally’s was from Stern’s show right.. If that was the case many had listened to Stern and of course Tony had it..

        Sometimes the post is recycled if it isn’t a big news day..

        But I personally think that once the other trolls so us in action they just knew they wouldn’t stand a chance..

        They are figuring out..The more they post..the more we post.. They post BS we post Truthful facts..

        It’s up to you guys… I am so exhausted my eyes are crossed..and I’m getting ready for bed..but I will check it out now and see.. thanks Hugo.. Baby

        • Hugo12

          Good night. Yeah, I think you’re right. I remember a lot of trolls on the other one. They’re scared to post now…hee hee. :)

          • Baby

            Yep..I can hear them saying…” You GO IN..” ” I’m not going in… you go in…” ha

            • Hugo12

              HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAA !!!!!! OMG, that was hilarious!

      • Eclipse-girl

        Lifter1968 has been going back to articles that are 2 or 3 days old.
        He is trying to bullbait and get the last word in.
        I just want to tell him how juvenile that is.

        Lifter1968 appears to be a very angry homophobic, misogynist
        I do not know if they are a scientologist But they certainly have issues.

  • Mark

    I have a foresight upon me – in the coming days, weeks and months, Davy-boy is going to need lots of clean underpants:

    • Great White Clam

      Poo thetans.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        You can use the “hand technique” but it’s messy.

        • Mark

          (Groo) I think the hand-model already has… no, NO: she just smokes lots of untipped Camels.

      • Mark

        Squittans?

        • Great White Clam

          Might be doing the $cientology poo thetan exorcism mantra;

          Get thee behind me, poo thetans.

          • Mark

            Let’s not forget the pee thetans…

            • Great White Clam

              Piss Cabbage

            • Rita Gregory

              OH YA! Oh Missionary Kid here’s another one!

    • Baby

      OH NOOOOOOOOO he is still in Diapers.. Our little Dick Tator..

    • DamOTclese2

      LOL. Well maybe. I think it’s a forgone conclusion that David will not be deposed and will certainly never allow himself to be put in a witness stand in front of a Jury. Even if the court finds that the ringleader must explain his behavior in deppo under oath, I just don’t see it happening, the crook will not permit it to happen.

      • Mark

        Whatever happens – and Shortarse probably would do the much-hoped-for moonlight flit rather than be forced to appear in court – the thought of his suffering repeated bouts of fear-induced incontinence is some compensation, for now.
        (After all, he is at the age where dicky prostates start to act up…)

        • DamOTclese2

          True, I could see him pulling a Hubbard and leaving others to take the fall for him. Still, David has other options. He could totally capitulate and stop his racketeering against the plaintiff subject to further financial and criminal sanctions if he continues his human rights abuses against them. He could just accept the fact that he has to behave himself.

          • ThetaBara

            You think he’s going to do a bunk?!

  • KJP in Portland

    Yay! Back from work (feels good to say THAT!)

    Looks like it was a good? day today for Mosie! I was reading on lunchbreak but I couldn’t figure out how to log into Disqus (argggh!).

    I just really hope that Swampcabbage gets to be deposed or put on the stand!

    Go Mosie, go! Go Mosie, go! We’re all behind YOU!

    • OrangySky

      So happy about your new job, KJP. We’re all celebrating with you!

      • KJP in Portland

        I’m feeling very blessed right now. I went from going over the waterfall to having a nice, safe Christmas in just 2 weeks. I’m just flabbergasted at how the stars all lined up for me and all the good fortune that we so badly needed came through!

        • DamOTclese2

          :) Any kind of real job in this economy is a blessing, yeah.

          • KJP in Portland

            I got downvotes! I’m getting some love!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Cool!

    • Hobson’sChoice

      I do a lot of speed reading during my lunch time too. I’m the reason for a lot of ‘guest’ upvotes ’cause I can never figure out how to log into Disqus from my cell phone either.

    • SandiCorrena

      SO AWESOME!!

    • Eclipse-girl

      (((HUGS)))

      It was along day.
      Congrats on the job.

  • DamOTclese2

    David’s new defense:

    “Your honor, as you saw my client’s sworn statement stating that he does not do business in Texas and has never done business in Texas was flat out perjury, my client’s own “Freedom Magazine” exposed that lie.

    “So if it pleases the court, we would like to make a motion that our client should not be deposed based upon the solid, demonstrable fact that my client will not tell the truth anyway, that he will continue to commit perjury against this court and thus deposing him is pointless.

    “Whadaya say?”

    • Rita Gregory

      I think that could work. Brilliant!

  • stillgrace2

    I never thought for a moment that the contents of a silly 4 year old scientology rag could make me so damn happy on this cold December night. It’s gonna happen, guys!! Minimum: deposition Maximum: court appearance

    • DamOTclese2

      ROFL! Yeah it shows that the conspiracy rag actually has a beneficial use. :) D’Oh! THIS is why Scientology constantly has to erase their on-line content and hope that the Wayback Machine can be threatened in to removing their copies. :)

    • Nick Overmyer

      If there’s a court appearance, I’m renting a van. Party at the Moontower, folks. Literally.

  • Nick Overmyer

    I know it’s sad and some folks on here prefer not to, but dammit. Just about the only way I’ve found to communicate in any way with an actual scientologist is through the curious use of the downvote. After years of trying to engage one, it’s the best I can get. Hmph.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      If you ask a question that they have no answer for or would rather not think about, they simply ignore it in favor of an easier comment to respond to. The idea of convincing one to see the light is an idea I have given up on.

      • Nick Overmyer

        The way I see it, just about any one of them could be another Magoo. They just need to see/hear the right stuff. Osmosis.

  • tone 3.3

    results in from industry of death…

    • Baby

      Tone..hahhahaha Love it!

  • Baby

    And the last word goes to………….the extremist org.

    Enjoy.

    Be sure to aggressively cyber bully, shame, name call, insult, flood,
    swarm, condescend to and lecture anyone who does not agree with you.
    And for God sakes, don’t let those giant evil windmills win the war! The
    fate of all mankind rests on your extremist Org’s brave, noble,
    selfless efforts.

    Addendum

    WHY
    I got hooked into this discussion because I find the
    individuals associated with criticism of The Church Of Scientology
    fascinating and dramatic.

    CRITICAL THINKING
    While the people associated with criticizing The
    Church Of Scientology often use the term “critical thinking”, for the
    most part, there is an absence of actual “critical thinking” or
    thinking for one’s self in that group’s culture. One need only look up
    the definition of critical thinking and it is obvious that the lopsided
    activity this group calls “thinking” is not what the world calls
    “critical thinking. Whether or not The Church Of Scientology exhibits

    9 hours ago

    And the last word goes to………….the extremist org.

    Enjoy.

    Be sure to aggressively cyber bully, shame, name call, insult, flood,
    swarm, condescend to and lecture anyone who does not agree with you.
    And for God sakes, don’t let those giant evil windmills win the war! The
    fate of all mankind rests on your extremist Org’s brave, noble,
    selfless efforts.

    Addendum

    WHY
    I got hooked into this discussion because I find the
    individuals associated with criticism of The Church Of Scientology
    fascinating and dramatic.

    CRITICAL THINKING
    While the people associated with criticizing The
    Church Of Scientology often use the term “critical thinking”, for the
    most part, there is an absence of actual “critical thinking” or
    thinking for one’s self in that group’s culture. One need only look up
    the definition of critical thinking and it is obvious that the lopsided
    activity this group calls “thinking” is not what the world calls
    “critical thinking. Whether or not The Church Of Scientology exhibits

    6dog

    6dog

    6dog

    9 hours ago

    And the last word goes to………….the extremist org.

    Enjoy.

    Be sure to aggressively cyber bully, shame, name call, insult, flood,
    swarm, condescend to and lecture anyone who does not agree with you.
    And for God sakes, don’t let those giant evil windmills win the war! The
    fate of all mankind rests on your extremist Org’s brave, noble,
    selfless efforts.

    Addendum

    WHY
    I got hooked into this discussion because I find the
    individuals associated with criticism of The Church Of Scientology
    fascinating and dramatic.

    CRITICAL THINKING
    While the people associated with criticizing The
    Church Of Scientology often use the term “critical thinking”, for the
    most part, there is an absence of actual “critical thinking” or
    thinking for one’s self in that group’s culture. One need only look up
    the definition of critical thinking and it is obvious that the lopsided
    activity this group calls “thinking” is not what the world calls
    “critical thinking. Whether or not The Church Of Scientology exhibits

    9 hours ago

    And the last word goes to………….the extremist org.

    Enjoy.

    Be sure to aggressively cyber bully, shame, name call, insult, flood,
    swarm, condescend to and lecture anyone who does not agree with you.
    And for God sakes, don’t let those giant evil windmills win the war! The
    fate of all mankind rests on your extremist Org’s brave, noble,
    selfless efforts.

    Addendum

    WHY
    I got hooked into this discussion because I find the
    individuals associated with criticism of The Church Of Scientology
    fascinating and dramatic.

    CRITICAL THINKING
    While the people associated with criticizing The
    Church Of Scientology often use the term “critical thinking”, for the
    most part, there is an absence of actual “critical thinking” or
    thinking for one’s self in that group’s culture. One need only look up
    the definition of critical thinking and it is obvious that the lopsided
    activity this group calls “thinking” is not what the world calls
    “critical thinking. Whether or not The Church Of Scientology exhibits

    9 hours ago

    And the last word goes to………….the extremist org.

    Enjoy.

    Be sure to aggressively cyber bully, shame, name call, insult, flood,
    swarm, condescend to and lecture anyone who does not agree with you.
    And for God sakes, don’t let those giant evil windmills win the war! The
    fate of all mankind rests on your extremist Org’s brave, noble,
    selfless efforts.

    Addendum

    WHY
    I got hooked into this discussion because I find the
    individuals associated with criticism of The Church Of Scientology
    fascinating and dramatic.

    CRITICAL THINKING
    While the people associated with criticizing The
    Church Of Scientology often use the term “critical thinking”, for the
    most part, there is an absence of actual “critical thinking” or
    thinking for one’s self in that group’s culture. One need only look up
    the definition of critical thinking and it is obvious that the lopsided
    activity this group calls “thinking” is not what the world calls
    “critical thinking. Whether or not The Church Of Scientology exhibits

    9 hours ago

    And the last word goes to………….the extremist org.

    Enjoy.

    Be sure to aggressively cyber bully, shame, name call, insult, flood,
    swarm, condescend to and lecture anyone who does not agree with you.
    And for God sakes, don’t let those giant evil windmills win the war! The
    fate of all mankind rests on your extremist Org’s brave, noble,
    selfless efforts.

    Addendum

    WHY
    I got hooked into this discussion because I find the
    individuals associated with criticism of The Church Of Scientology
    fascinating and dramatic.

    CRITICAL THINKING
    While the people associated with criticizing The
    Church Of Scientology often use the term “critical thinking”, for the
    most part, there is an absence of actual “critical thinking” or
    thinking for one’s self in that group’s culture. One need only look up
    the definition of critical thinking and it is obvious that the lopsided
    activity this group calls “thinking” is not what the world calls
    “critical thinking. Whether or not The Church Of Scientology exhibits

    • Baby

      OMG.. I tried to copy something..from Radar..and this is what happened now it won’t let me get rid of it..Good God

      • Captain Howdy

        TL;DR

        • ThetaBara

          Other than “first” “tl;dr” is the most useless comment on the internet. It’s obviously a paste error. Hit the fucking collapse thingy and get on with your life. MWAH!

          • Baby

            I wasn’t worried about me..hahahha I’m going to bed..I was worried about you guys..sigh

            • Captain Howdy

              I could tell you how to get rid of it but i would be providing potential useful info to our pal Bill.

            • Baby

              OKEY Dokey.. Thanks Howdy..
              You guys I’m sorry… I’m so sorry I’m havin a fuckin beer.. DAMN IT!
              But I wanted you all to see his last post..Hysterical… NIGHT ALL…yawwwwwwwwwwwwwn

            • KJP in Portland

              (((HUGS))) Baby!

            • Captain Howdy

              Nighty Nite…

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Accidentally up voted a bed bug. I’m not squeamish, but I’m leaving for a bit to go burn every mattress I can find.

            • Sibs

              I found a dead cockroach in my kitchen. I’m very squeamish, so I don’t know when I’ll go back into my kitchen to attempt to get rid of it.

              Edit: That had nothing to do with anything. I’m just going to avoid this post…… (shudder)

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I wouldn’t worry about one cockroach. I’d worry about where he came in from and where his siblings are.

            • Baby

              Jimmy.. Gawwwwwwwwd poor Sibs..

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’m not trying to scare her or kid around, I’m just saying you can stop them before it becomes an infestation.

            • Sibs

              Believe me, I’m well aware, I’ve been dealing with this off and on since the end of July. It’s not as bad as it was when I first moved in but I think at this point I’m going to go to Home Depot and pick up more of the roach killing stuff I used on my own back then. Because those products have a life limit and I think I’m reaching it.

              (Granted I’m glad they must still be working to some degree, because at least it wasn’t alive.)

            • Captain Howdy

              Either Boric Acid or better yet Diatomaceous earth which is non-toxic and worked great on bedbugs which are tougher to kill than roaches.

            • Missionary Kid

              I posted a lengthy reply before I saw yours. I think that the inert ingredients in the roach powder is daitomaceous earth.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Sounds like you have it under control. Please excuse me, I have mattresses to drag outside and set ablaze.

            • Missionary Kid

              Get boric acid powder. It’s very cheap and it will work for a long time. If you don’t have small children and pets, you can put it out in the open. If you do have pets or kids, it can be put inside cabinets at the back, behind appliances, in corners and along baseboards.

              At home depot, it comes in a large plastic squeeze bottle, about the size of a quart. It only costa about $4 for the whole thing, which is more than enough for years. It has a tip that you cut off at the top. You can squirt it under cabinets because there is usually a small space above the recessed baseboard and the bottom of the cabinet that extends out over it. If you get a short clear hose, about a foot long, from a regular hardware store or a store that sells aquariums, and put it on the tip of the bottle, you can squirt the powder by squeezing the bottle so that a puff of air carries the powder through the hose and through that space into the dead space under the cabinet.

              I don’t think you can buy clear hose by the foot at Home Depot any more, so you may have to got to a regular hardware store or an aquarium supply store. It’s important that the hose be clear, so you can see if any powder is making it through.

              From Wikipedia, “The product is generally considered to be safe to use in household kitchens to control cockroaches and ants. It acts as a stomach poison affecting the insects’ metabolism, and the dry powder is abrasive to the insects’ exoskeletons.”

              It doesn’t kill bugs right away, but since they carry the powder back to their nests, it spreads to the rest of the bugs, and they get killed, too.

            • Sibs

              Wait, so THAT’S how I’m supposed to spread the stuff?!?

              The first time I got boric acid back when I was first dealing with this stuff, I made a huge mess around my apartment and months later there are still piles of boric acid sitting around.

            • Missionary Kid

              All it takes is a very thin layer. You put it where the roaches like to walk. They love dark places to hide in, so put it it around or in places they can hide. I’d check for small gaps where pipes come through the walls under sinks. If your toilet isn’t caulked around the base, I’d spread some around there.

              Keep it away from food. It can be in the same place with food, just make sure it doesn’t contaminate the food.

            • Baby

              Where I live those lovely things are called Palmento Bugs.. has nothing to do with cleanliness..

              Just the environment we live.. I found one on my Toothbrush once and screamed and gagged forever..

            • Missionary Kid

              Palmetto bugs, I figured when I lived in FL, was an effort by the Florida Chamber of Commerce to put a good name on the huge cockroaches that live in the state. Sure enough, I just entered the name in Wikipedia, and it turns out that it’s the largest species of American cockroach.

              I used to say that if you could harness 4 of them, you could pull your car out of a ditch.

            • Baby

              You bet your sweet ass.. HUGE.. One of my puppies had one in his mouth one day and you would have sworn it was a mouse.. eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep and errrrrrrrrrgh..gross

              I see them scurrying about and scream every time.. Palmetto bugs my ass.. ( ha)

            • Captain Howdy

              Fascinating creatures and definitely the stuff of nightmares. I’ve lived through an infestation twice and I’d choose going cold turkey off drugs/booze for 4 days over dealing with bed bugs anytime.

            • OrangySky

              Ewwwwwww……

            • Baby

              OMG… Gross..SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCHES (Hahahahhahahhhahha)

            • Captain Howdy

              Muah!

            • Baby

              Absolutely Faints dead away.. Faints

        • Baby

          OK..yell at me later.. what does that mean Howdy..( and I was kidding about yelling)

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            TL;DR means “too long; didn’t read.” Howdy was obviously kidding in this case.

      • Phil McKraken

        I never go to radar. There’s too much funky shit jumping about on that website.

    • Sibs

      This was 6dog’s last comment on the Radar article. I get what you’re trying to do, Baby, it’s okay. (although when I did try to load the comment earlier my page screwed up).

      • Baby

        It just will not be deleted.. Sorry you guys I tried everything..shit…

        • ThetaBara

          You might be able to edit it, but anyone can see it wasn’t on purpose.

          • Baby

            I tried.. wah, wah..

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I just assumed it was some sort of performance piece…

          • Baby

            Hahahhahaa… Well I certainly win first prize DDD

    • KJP in Portland

      HE EVEN MENTIONED MY (((HIGH-5s))) !!!

      I must be getting famous or something!

      ROFLMAO

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Seems like this 6dog character has been rejected by and is obsessed with the Bunker.

      Seems like this 6dog character has been rejected by and is obsessed with the Bunker.

      Seems like this 6dog character has been rejected by and is obsessed with the Bunker.

      Seems like this 6dog character has been rejected by and is obsessed with the Bunker.

      Seems like this 6dog character has been rejected by and is obsessed with the Bunker.

      Seems like this 6dog character has been rejected by and is obsessed with the Bunker.

      Edit: wtf

      • OrangySky

        Could it be Flunk?

        • Baby

          OMG you have to read it..Orangy.. NOPE… not Flunk..

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          He’s definitely the Ray/toilettrained/whatever/Guest that’s been around the last few weeks. I don’t know if he’s Flunk but I would say no.

      • Baby

        hahahaha..

    • Hugo12

      Well, I’m sure glad you didn’t go to bed! Just read Radar..AWESOME!

      • Baby

        OMG.. I read yours too Hugo.. it was great..

        KJP..What the heck does Hai mean? Jeeze

        Ohhh Snoopy pants me..just couldn’t let it go that he had that long comment..

        so I commented under his.. then thought..shit..I gotta post on top… because his would be over mine.. so now I’m like CoooCoo..

        • Hugo12

          Haha…that’s ok CoooCooBird…it worked just as well. Cause you got 2 posts in…BAM!

    • ozzybud420

      Yes somehow the bunker is a hate org. wtf tho…. org…. how more obvious can you get.

      • Baby

        Isn’t that funny..

        Nevermore was over there the other day and he said..

        Go back to your Org.. and she said.. ” I don’t have an ORG ” I laughed my ass off..

        • Nevermore

          I wanted to make a remark about going to an ORGY but I didn’t think he’d appreciate it. or even see the joke, for that matter!

          • Baby

            Oh my God I have a new nickname for you..(The) Scream.. ( do you like it..?)

            Girl.. I was laughing every time he said ORG… The EXTREMEST ORG.. I mean Laughing..

            then when he accused you of Owning this ORG by then I lost it..hahahahhahah

            and your response was priceless..

            • Nevermore

              Sometimes, being quite British and polite has it’s good points! :-) And I LOVE the new nickname!

            • Baby

              OMG… I LOVE IT..LOVE IT! You are fast ..hahahhahaha Well.. Scream it is!

  • Phil McKraken

    Check this out from a TV commercial for Direct TV: “The squirrels just aren’t listening to Dave. No… they don’t seem to care what he says.”

    http://www.ispot.tv/ad/75nA/directv-attack-of-the-squirrels

    • Sibs

      I love this one! It’s so perfect! I saw it on TV on Sunday.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Lol.. Nut up, my brothers..

      • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

        .That line cracks me up every time!

        • sugarplumfairy

          I think it should be our battle cry..

  • Peter Robinson

    Just saw the bit where more than 195 000 volunteer ministers travelled more than 174 000 miles in the past year… so, either every one of them averaged 174 000? Wow! That would be approx 7 times around the World! Or they travelled on average less than 1 mile each?

    • OrangySky

      Quite a feat for those 195,000 volunteer ministers, considering there are certainly no more than 35,000 Scientologists ON THE OUTSIDE in the whole wide world.

      I guess they must bring Wog sherpas with them or something to round out that number.

      • Cece

        Oh come on OS, just add up the BTs and it will all work out just fine!

    • Cece

      Trust me, They did not go far. My husband shot himself to death 24 Nov 2010 in our living room while I was outside locked out. It was very traumatic for me. Do you think the ‘church’ sent a VM 30miles North of PAC to assist me? I was/am a patron and was a no non-sense scientologist AND my husband and dear friend for 24 years was now married to the VM I/C WUS (!!!!). Did anyone come to help me? I called but no one came. It hurt real bad. After 19 years of staff with no complaints or regrets, Patron, Gave my x some 100 hrs of auditing to care for his ruds when I asked for divorcee not to mention his harley sportster and Saab new engine etc. I gave him all so he could do his job for the ‘church’. Was I STUPID or what! :)
      That is when I realized it (scientology) was not a church and figured I’d better take a better look.

      • OrangySky

        So sorry, Cece.

        • Cece

          Well thank you. What really pisses me off. If I take the crap that happened to me and then I have to multiply it by all the some 30,000 that I know passed thru AOLAs doors in the 19 years I was there, and if I assume the similar crap happened to maybe half them …. well then there is so much pain pored into this civilization over these past 50 some years, I wish I could twinkle my nose and make it all right but we all just got to keep speaking out and letting the truth be known. It is the only healer left. I’m so so thankful that many many many never ins are helping us! That’s what makes me smile – the care and love coming from the ‘wogs’!!!!! :)

          • Toni M.

            Dear Cece thank you for sharing your experience I’m sure it will help someone else to get free form this cult. With all my respect I want to share with you this song, it’s from the 80′s.
            The best of times is now what’s left of summer but a faded rose?

            The best of times is now as for tomorrow well, who knows, who knows, who knows.
            So hold this moment fast and live and love as hard as you know how and make this moment last because the best of time is now, is now, is now,

            I know is difficult to lost a love one. Enjoy the freedom of mind you have now and your new friends here at the bunker.

            • Cece

              Thank you all. That is part of what persons stuck in are afraid of – being alone. Especially if one is conditioned to think anyone not a scientologist is a wog and any one not a sea org member or contributing big bucks is a dilatant scientologist. Until one can see the lies he IS all alone when he leaves.
              Yes, Toni M, Thank you for the song. I got myself a Bose Music System III for Christmas.
              I am trying real hard to stay balanced. Wow – a beautiful woodpecker just landed on the feeder 16″ from where I type. It’s indeed a wonderful day :)

      • SandiCorrena

        Very very sorry!!! Big hug too

        • Cece

          Thx Sandi, hugs are so nice :)
          Too bad I have no regrets and just lots of horse power to demolish the trap.

      • ozzybud420

        omg I`m so sorry! Thats horrible. Much love and I`m glad you saw the light.

        • Cece

          Thx ozzy. I’m sooo glad too! Sheeeesh… I could have been swept down the dark deep well with lots of pretty white smiling lights on the walls… Oh yes, so glad… I could walk away. I’m afraid it’s not going to be that easy for a lot of them. It’s just wonderful how many have made it. The energy of them and the guys pitching in that were never in that duplicate the mind bend will be the only ones that can pull these guys out perhaps before He (that should not be named) pulls a real vacuum out from under them all.

      • Sarah James

        I’m so sorry Cece, David Miscavige is the one that is stupid. The people in the cult are now trained to go get their cob money, and that’s all that’s important. They just can’t think or express any emotion.

        • Cece

          Yes, Sarah, that is true. When I questioned my X (Jack Kruchko) about why no one came to help, he said: “We sent Sandy.” True Sandy my 3rd daughter did come as did my other children (that was before I became an ‘SP’). But I am OT IV and they send a non-clear! I just needed a few mins of review, indicate etc. Has it really become so out KSW that no-one could recognize the outpoint? Yes it has.
          Everything was as wrong as wrong could be and I was the only one that could see. Yes, they just can’t think or express any emotion. Thx Sarah for duplicating :)

      • Rita Gregory

        Oh Cece! I am so sorry you had to go through that.

      • Baby

        Cece.. I couldn’t imagine in a million years the pain that you must have going through and are going through.. I am just so very sorry.. Please come here anytime if you need to vent..scream..cry..

        whatever.. What a traumatic and tragic loss. love Baby and Hugs and kisses sweetheart..

      • Nevermore

        Cece – no, you weren’t stupid. Whatever the reason you did those things, doing them was a good act on your part. The {church} didn’t deserve you. It’s awful that you had to learn that through such trauma.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Yes, Marty is guilty of “frankly, cultish behavior,” if you consider protecting his wife and unborn child from the vile actions of David Miscavige to be “cultish,” and if you consider the human race to be a “cult.” Only Miscavige would think there is something wrong with being happily married and having a baby. Miscavige should have left the law to his lawyers. His micromanaging something he knows nothing about has made the lawyers look confused, unfocused and foolish.

    • MaxSpaceman

      From Marty, Monique and child’s Website:

      “I have been a little consumed of late dealing with a psychopath who
      insists upon forcing himself upon our lives. The experience has
      validated the observations of the world’s leading authority on
      psychopathy, Robert D. Hare. This short passage from Hare’s book “Snakes In Suits”:

      ‘Psychopaths have a great sense of superiority and entitlement, and
      think nothing of helping themselves to property that belongs to others.
      Their grandiose sense of self-importance leads them to
      believe that other people exist just to take care of them. Because
      they see most people as weak, inferior, and easy to deceive,
      psychopathic con artists will often tell you that their victims deserved
      what they got. Sometimes their sense of superiority is so great that
      they will say that they are conferring a gift by
      letting their victims support them. This is obvious in the many cases
      of cult leaders who are charlatans or outright psychopaths, but can be
      seen in more subtle cases as well.’

  • Dwight Geiger

    It is more easily to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled.Mark Twain.Hope that this judge knows this.

  • ozzybud420

    ok this question is off topîc but I`m too lazy to go find the help shit for Disqus and I know a lot of people here are experts. I`m still getting used to it. 1st time I`ve ever commented on the same blog I just love Tonys work and the atmosphere amongst all the commentators here! Anyway is there a way to make Disqus load ALL of the comments instead of having to constantly click on load more comments?

    • jeff

      Well, you can hit F5 for refresh, but you won’t know where the new comments are.

    • Cece

      I don’t know but maybe in the mean time use refresh and go ahead and click. Are you doing this on a phone where that takes to long or something?

      • ozzybud420

        half phone half laptop. on my laptop its not too bad but sometimes on my phone it messes up and takes a while. I just like being able to go from top to bottom if that makes sense? Usually just when I 1st hit the site tho. After I`m caught up its not too bad. Hate clicking load more all the time. lol. i know lazy ass I am. ::) Thanks. :)

        • Cece

          Well you do use the 3 choices on the left newest, best, oldest or s/thing like that. That may help. Nice you are watching :)

          • ozzybud420

            SOmetimes I feel like I`m as addicted to Scientology watching as some of the clams are obsessed with actually being IN the cult! lol. The difference is we don`t hurt anyone and just try to spread the truth. It wasn`t so bad when I 1st started reading up on Scientology but soon as I found Tonys blog at VV I was totally hooked from then on!

            • Cece

              Yah, I know what you mean. I was never into soap stuff but this true drama would make a real good daily for history or truth on some NPR doc. It will be done some day. That is what it may take to desensitize this madness. But – no worries, it will all work out :) Thanks for your care and of course you are not hurting anyone and yes, Tony is like a guardian angel for me. Where did you come from?

            • ozzybud420

              I started reading up on Scientology a few years ago then when I came across Tonys blog I got REALLY into it. I“ve never been in or have family who are in but the more you learn about some of the pain they’ve caused people it makes you want to do something even if its just commenting and spreading the truth to anyone willing to listen! I`m Canadian live between Toronto and Detroit. Your right tho this is crazier then any soap or drama movie. If you wrote this as a script it would be rejected as too unbelievable yet its ALL TRUE!! I`m also a true crime buff (mob oc bikers serial killers con men whatever) and this is like having it all rolled into 1 and is real. I love how Tony writes and the dedication and research he puts into everything he publishes. Its amazing really.

              1 thing that really pisses me off is all the people who die of cancer spending there money on bullshit Scientology `treatment`instead of getting REAL help. My mom’s a 2 time brain cancer survivor so I tend to take that personal! Someday we will all have a huge party when the cult or at least DM go down!! :) Can`t wait.

            • Qbird

              HOW COLD IS IT?! Good God Almighty – I live right on the MN/Ontario border Ozzy!
              Hi neighbor!

            • ozzybud420

              Really? The USA side? I`m 2hrs from Detroit but 1hr tops to Sarnia and the bridge to Port Huron, MI! When I was out getting smokes cpl hrs ago was -10 w/o the windchill factor. Right now its -12 and feels like (windchill) is -21. If you go out and get hit with the wind it really sucks. Luckly not so much snow right now tho.

            • Qbird

              Guest! Muah Guest?

            • ozzybud420

              I replied earlier but itd didnt show up! Yah 2hrs to Detorit 1hr to Sarnia/bridge to Pt Huron, MI. You on USA side? Its -12 with windchill (feels like) -21. Not too mch snow left right now. Its cold out with no wind but when that wind hits you its reallys bad.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              If you became addicted from merely lurking, god help you if you started commenting. Since your sitting in and beginning to talk, I’ll be glad to give you a cig and a cup of coffee. Glad you are here. My name is Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, and I am a bunkerholic…

            • ozzybud420

              Lol. Yah I`m definitely a bunkerholic and it`ll only get worse (actually better) every day! I like the fact this blog isn`t over run with personal attacks and everyone basically gets along.Can have a actual discussion or disagreement without it getting out of hand. Learned a lot from Tony`s amazing work and from people commenting here and I enjoy the discussions! I never thought I`d ever post regularly in any blog but there’s something different about this then most blogs I`ve seen. :) Thanks for the warm welcome people!

            • Robert Eckert

              HI SIR!

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Howdee, Mr. E.

              Never thought I would take such pleasure in reading Freedumb Magazine as I did today.

              Tis late in this time zone, and I must retire. I will be lurking tomorrow, but too busy to post and re-troll. Please, fight the good fight for me, R.E.

        • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

          As you will soon discover, especially on your phone, Disqus is is troll-tech, in that you will find it infuriating at times, especially if you post frequently. The minus button on the right, above each post is useful for collapsing response threads. Good luck, and welcome.

          • ozzybud420

            thank you! Yah I don;t even bother with the mobile version. On my android I use chrome and if I click the load full version (maybe load desktop version? Not on mobile now) it will come up same as it does here. Takes longer to load but once its loaded once not so bad. MUCH better than the PoS mobile version!!!

  • Baby

    Is SCC a Troll? He just showed up on Radar..but I’m ignoring..he just wrote Serously? So I will just keep an eye on him and not feed him for now..

    • whenpigsswim

      There seems to be more and more trolls all the time …. I’m probably going to start dreaming about trolls.

      • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

        It might not be more and more new trolls, but more and more of the same troll, who is awfully butthurt. I think that 6 dog is also “guest” “ray” and several others socks. A few have speculated that he is also the now banned “Flunk.” He has a HUGE chip on his shoulder about how he is completely slammed when he spews the same vitriol here and elsewhere. And he totally deserves to be slimmed, because he does things like blame and insult Lori for her pain. He is completely obsessed with and fixated on the $cientology critics of this blog. If it is the same person, I think that he might be recently out, because he does criticize the CO$ and even Miscavige, but he loves to claim that this place is just like being in a cult, which is patently and obviously false to any reasonable person who knows how to read and think. However, he does have at least one point correct: folks here are as obsessed with watching the slow death of the CO$ as he is with watching how we take down unempathetic, mean-spirited, and ignorant trolls.

        • whenpigsswim

          Not a problem – I missed it being covered below too so your response was welcome. I especially hate it when anyone blames Lori.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          It is the same underwaterface/Ray/toilettrained/knee/guest troll for sure. His message is always the same, that the Bunker is a cult and blah blah blah. He never can explain why he spends so much of his time following the Bunker if he believes that it is just as much of a cult as CoS. He’ll never respond if you press him on this.

        • Baby

          He’s not flunk.. He’s convinced that we are an ORG.. and flunk always plays the victim card..

          He is someone that has been over here for sure though.. he knows about KP’s high fives and having fun..ha..

          but this guys is convinced that we have a certain strict code and if someone has an infraction we SHUN them..

          bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahaha… Hell we would just say..

          ” What the F*ck did you say that for! “

    • Baby

      OMG.. He was typing something to me and I came over here to tell you guys and he stopped…hahhhahaa

      He knew was going in for the kill..( with facts) and backed off..hahahhaa

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      That’s not a troll but it is a Scientologist. He reads this but does not comment. Hello St Claire. You are always welcome to share your thoughts here.

      • Baby

        Thank you…xo

      • Baby

        Hahahhahaha Jimmy.. It is St Claire… I told him that you said hello..hahahahhaha

    • Lurkness

      He is BTN’s special project.

      • Baby

        Yep.. I just mentioned her to him before I came over.. He is nice.. and seriously think he’s ready.. keeping fingers crossed..

        Lurkness I keep forgetting to tell you how much I love your AVI.. Fabulous..

  • Cece

    Hey, Where is cars? Did his computer dump him again!

  • Baby

    OK troll on Radar.. DO NOT FEED..NO DOWNVOTES..NO RESPONSE.. PLUS HE IS MONITORING HERE TOO…THEY WANt to post when we aren’t around I’m staying..

    • Hugo12

      I was just coming on to post “troll alert!” haha..it’s SSC, the same one from the other day. just as nutty as 6Dog.

    • Hugo12

      Troll QBird just went on too….they are trying to “gang up”…for sure they got orders to all come on immediately and post.

      • Qbird

        wha? I’m a troll?

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I was only kidding. I thought it was funny that you are perhaps the least trollish among us and were flagged. It’s getting out of hand.

          • Qbird

            I was flagged???

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Labelled as a troll, I meant. Not that that you were actually flagged in any way.. Whatever, I found this YouTube clip about awesome birds.

              http://youtu.be/DU-V3OYwwQU

            • Cece

              Oh that was absolutely such a mind relaxer. Thank you for posting that Jimmy 3xs

            • Qbird

              Oooooo… pretty!

          • Qbird

            lookee what I found for you ~ shamrock = celtic knots!
            I love the triquetra, as a symbol, came from the shamrock.
            This one more complex yet sweet… check it.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I love that. Perhaps it should replace my generic shamrock as an avatar.

          • Qbird

            What is really funny J3X’s is that I do deride many a thread, in this sense, I am a troll. The bunker puts up with me, Xenu knows why… very kind of them I might add.
            I appreciate it.

            • Robert Eckert

              We put up with you for the birdie pictures.

            • Qbird

              Ah ha! Sweet! Everyone’s got a shtick…

            • Nevermore

              Yup, in every pic from our childhood, that’s the kind of thing my brother is doing – and he’s still the same!

        • Hugo12

          OMG!! So sorry QBird!!! I wrote the wrong name! I meant to write CosCuz but was reading your post right before typing! I’ll change it right now!

          • Qbird

            hey you’re new to me Hugo12 – what are you?
            (and I’m laughing) – (and I AM a troll, always OT & a major dork)
            So there!

            • Hugo12

              Haa! Hi Qbird…mostly a lurker…I go through spurts of posting here but usually just like to read the comments. I’ve been a Scientology watcher for 20 years and did some courses and auditing..back when I used to try to tell people about the RPF like… “REALLY! IT’S TOTALLY TRUE! I SWEAR!” Luckily, now I don’t have to do that much convincing since it’s out there now… :)

          • Qbird

            Also – I really would like to see the public record / documentation of these
            “sworn statements”

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Qbird is one of the most legendary trolls. Their tactic is to accompany their posts with lovely pictures of birds or cute animals in a shameless attempt at drawing us into their trollery. Despicable.

        (Read: Qbird is not a troll)

        • Qbird

          takes one to know one Jimmy 3X !

          • Great White Clam

            You guys……………………………………….

    • ozzybud420

      I`ll help I`m going to be up a cpl hrs more forsure. :)

      • Baby

        good job Ozzy..yay..

  • Bella Legosi

    Fucking really? And here I had hopes for the UK. Welcome to the world’s biggest fraud UK. Hope you like Kool Aid drinking culties infiltrating your government! This…….really puts me off…..Bella’s signing off for a few days!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25336598

    • DamOTclese2

      It is meaningless. I mean how many Scientology customers are there in the U.K.? 100? at most?

      • Bella Legosi

        It meant something to me :( This opens the door to them getting a for real “charitable” status. This should not be allowed, especially in the time we are in. This is the start of this cult finally being exposed for the cult they are. No intelligent country like the UK should deem Co$ worthy of such a status.

        Hearing this really made me sick. I believe the only reason this couple even brought such a fight over this was to nudge the door open to getting that official tax exempt status. I don’t think it isn’t beyond the cult to have spun this this way and that for that purpose. But still, to have anyone in government call Co$ “religious” or their “ceremonies” religious pisses me off!

  • Baby

    OMG.. so I typed over here his misspelling of seriously ( serously) and he just corrected it..hahaha He is following me big time..ahhhahhha

  • RMycroft

    Crimes outraged church trial told May 29, 1992, Peter Small , Toronto Star

    The worldwide head of the Church of Scientology says he and other top officials were “absolutely outraged” when they concluded that fellow members were committing crimes.

    “We don’t do illegal things,” David Miscavige, the 32-year-old church leader from Los Angeles, testified yesterday.

    When a document outlining a dirty tricks and harassment project called “Operation Freakout” was first seen by his associates in 1981, “I was shocked” and thought it was a fake, Miscavige said. He was not head of the church at the time.

    I’m sure that there’s lots of buried dynamite in the Ontario Snow White case.

  • Baby

    OK Co$Cuz ( i comment only in profile) said Seriously what? Could be another troll feeding off of him.. will have to wait and see

    • CO$CUZ

      I deleted my comment,Baby. I got nervous!! I will just say a quick hello and thank you to all here. I have been a lurker for a long time, becoming interested in Scientology when I found out what some of my family members had been through. I am not sure how much to tell, as it’s not my story AND they were very definitely followed and such. I will say my family and new cousin-in-laws were all able to escape together and they kindly put up with my endless questions at all family gatherings!!! Ok, should I not even write this much?

      • Great White Clam

        Yes. Mebbe clam up for there sake.

      • whenpigsswim

        Welcome. I lurked for a while too but it is much more fun to participate.

      • Baby

        That’s fine COS.. You did great.. I’m still working with him.. For every downvote I get from him..I informed him I will give out more facts about SCN ha..

        You write what you feel comfortable doing.. Are you on Disq?

        If you don’t feel comfortable just delete everything here.. We’ll understand.. xoxo ok going back..

        • CO$CUZ

          I am on Disq, my first night using it and first time ever posting on any site…can that be possible?! Lesson learned early on, about discretion. So glad to be participating!!! I’ve been responding to all your comments in my head for so very long. I feel like I am part of the family already :)

          • ozzybud420

            Welcome! Don`t ever be affraid to ask about anything! This is a special place and participating makes it all the better. Watch out for trolls. People here are very accepting and all we really care about is the truth. :) have fun…..

            • CO$CUZ

              Thanks for the warm welcomes!

          • Hugo12

            uh oh….your addiction is starting… :)

          • Baby

            Honey..we are Family..

            We put the FUN in dysfunctional.. somehow it just works.. No you were fine over there..

            When he asked you to tell more details.. OMG I almost had a heart attack typing so fast to you.. ” DON’T SAY A THING HE IS A SCIENTOLOGIST..”

            I can NOT tell you how hard my heart was pounding CUZ..haha..

      • Rita Gregory

        Welcome!

    • Nevermore

      It’s a shame about SCC – I think he’s a person I could like. They’ll use him because of that likeability, and they’ll drain him dry. What a waste. :(

  • Qbird

    I’m a Troll?!

    • Great White Clam

      Is that a confeshion or a question???????

      • Hugo12

        It was my mistake. I accidentally wrote Qbird as the troll when I was meaning to write another name. Sorry again! :(

        • Qbird

          hey boo – no worries – I AM A TROLL – but a very nice one… really!

      • Qbird

        Once upon a midnight query….

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      But you are such a cute, sweet troll. :-)

      • Qbird

        Thank You Sir Hemet!
        Rah rah ree – kick ‘em in the knee…
        Rah rah rass – kick ‘em … in the other knee!

        • Baby

          OMG..hahahhaha Q you are so funny..

    • Baby

      OMG.. hahahhhahaa I’m going to bed.. but what is that? yawwwwwwwwwwn…. xo

    • ThetaBara

      No, you’re a flying dinosaur. ;-)
      Great photo!

  • Great White Clam

    Why not let the trols troll?

    One or two post and they would know its just better for the clams if they just STFU.
    Tory C. let us know the scoop. Gave us the tek they trolls use.

    I dont see no problem with the trolls being here. Tory C. was a troll once to. You know the story bout Tory ect…….

    • SandiCorrena

      She was not a troll – she elaborated on that the other night.

      • Great White Clam

        Sry. My def troll = osa opererative.

        • Great White Clam

          Ordinary trolls? Meh……. We brushed our teethe with em back in the day…..

  • MaxSpaceman

    The deposition of Captain David Miscavige. 20+ years ago. He is a massive piece of sh1t wherever he goes, whatever he does. Here is an example of his purpose: to obfuscate. [ word clear for self – obfuscate: (1) To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand. (2) To render indistinct or dim; darken.

    Q. DID YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC FUNCTION ON THE WATCHDOG COMMITTEE?

    A. YOU MEAN AS AN OVERALL ENCOMPASSING — THERE WERE — THERE WERE SOME FUNCTIONS, YES, THAT I DID DAILY, IF THAT’S WHAT YOU’ oASKING. BUT FOR THE POST?

    Q. YES.

    A. A FUNCTION — THAT’S A WORD THAT HAS COME UP BEFORE. GIVE ME YOUR DEFINITION OF “FUNCTION,” SO WE’RE AGREEING HERE.

    Q. MAYBE THAT’S A GOOD IDEA SO WE CAN AGREE ON DEFINITIONS AND NOT GET INTO AREAS OF CONFUSION. A SPECIFIC AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY.

    A. THAT’S NOT WHAT I CALL FUNCTION AT ALL. FUNCTION DENOTES A DOING-NESS OR AN ACTING-NESS. YOU ASKED ME FUNCTION. AS A ZONE OF RESPONSIBILITY, YES.

    Q. WHAT WAS THAT ZONE OF RESPONSIBILITY?

    A. SEA ORG ORGANIZATIONS.

    Q. AND WHAT ARE THE SEA ORG ORGANIZATIONS?

    A. THAT REFERS TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE GENERALLY, ALTHOUGH NOT TOTALLY, MANNED BY MEMBERS WHO ALSO HAPPEN TO BE MEMBERS OF THE SEA ORGANIZATION.

    Q. ARE THERE MORE THAN FIVE SUCH ORGANIZATIONS?

    A. NOW?

    Q. YES.

    A. YES, I BELIEVE.

    Q. AND THEN, WERE THERE MORE THAN FIVE?

    A. IN TERMS OF SEA ORG ORGANIZATIONS, IT — IT DENOTES AN EXACT CATEGORY OF ORGANIZATION, SO THE QUESTION YOU’RE ASKING ME NOW ISN’T EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE ANSWER I JUST GAVE YOU IN TERMS OF WHAT I MEAN BY SEA ORG ORGANIZATIONS.

    • Qbird

      Exhausting! To read this.

      • Cece

        Xaxly how I felt. Dang – he drains the energy right outaya trying to understand where he’s coming from.

    • Baby

      HE GOT NO GAME

    • Noni Mause

      For what it’s worth, what I see in this brief exchange is:

      1) a punctilious insistence of the importance of detail. The opening query was pretty straightforward, but he immediately queries the parameters of what the person is asking him about as if it’s actually important. Note the use of the word ‘exact’.
      This is DM the micro-manager on display here.

      2) an attempt to dominate the proceedings. He insists upon a definition of terms to establish an agreed meaning (our punctilious micro manager again) and then he disagrees. But he doesn’t just disagree, he completely negates the definition given to him by the lawyer. ‘that’s not a function AT ALL.’ Thereafter he stops speaking English for a moment – ‘doing-ness’ ‘acting-ness’ – in order to impose his definition on the proceedings. This is no longer a *shared* definition of ‘function’ as suggested by the lawyer. David Miscavige’s and only David Miscavige’s perspective is the acceptable viewpoint here.
      This is DM the tyrant on display.

      • Baby

        Yep.. Plus an AssHat

  • Baby

    Where would I find information if SCC has ever posted here..He says he hasn’t but I swear he has..

    Anyone?

    • Robert Eckert

      Not as St. Claire or SC, but I wouldn’t know if there have been other names.

      • Baby

        Thanks Robert.. He agree that he was St Claire.. Jimmy3 confirmed it to start with..I recognized his style.. he wasn’t trollin as much as just being a Scientologist..

        • Robert Eckert

          And he denies having used any other names but those two. I believe him, since he does not have a track record of dishonesty. He’s a sincere believer in Scientology, who might be woken up if we don’t alienate him and chase him away.

          • Baby

            Yes I believe him too Robert.. He could have easily denied he was St Claire.. He seemed very sincere. We did a little dance at first.. He tested me..I tested him.. nothing too assertive.. and we gained each others trust..

            and others joined in… and he was open. I welcomed him to join us anytime here.. He didn’t respond and I didn’t pressure him in any way..

    • ozzybud420

      If you do a google search like this:
      tonyortega.org “ozzybud”

      it will come up with my comments so insert whoever s name and it should pull up anything it finds. However I tried with SCC and didn’t really find much. It does work tho because if I use my name it pulls up the articles I`ve commented on with the comment highlighted.

      • Baby

        Thank you Ozzy.. see you know more than I do.. : )

        • ozzybud420

          lol I`m a computer nerd. Always like to help someone if I can and I know that goes both ways arround here! :)
          Was lucky to get dial up access from a neighbour back before the web even existed. Was in 1st area of Canada to get high speed cable we got it free for years. so yah major computer nerd. Been screwing around with computers/internets since I was 8 or 9. Seriously. lol. :)

          • Baby

            Oh Ozzy so good to know..xo ( I am Old..ha) and my IT son in law refuses to answer my calls..hahahha night sweetie

            So nice meeting you..

            • ozzybud420

              gnite and it was great to meet you as well. :) we shall chat again soon my friend. gnite and thank you.

  • DeElizabethan

    The 6 O’clock news here above is just….I’m speechless … How about it speaks for itself ,or simply, Oops!!

    Thank you Tony for a wonderful day even if I was elsewhere for much of it.

    • Qbird

      me too Dee – really hard to catch up iffn ya missed the whole day.

  • Xenu Was A Nihilist

    I suppose the sheeple who worship COB would think the resources ($$$$) used to fight this litigation is worth it? How disgusting! COB is only reinforcing the largely held opinion of him, that he is a megalomaniacal leader who is trying to cower behind his curtain when the spotlight shines on thee.
    Kirstie, Tom, John, and Company should be ashamed to be associated with this nonsense.
    I hope shenanigans like these are somehow brought to light and members of the cult begin to see what they’ve been shielded from, and hopefully they will see the light… I feel awful for those still caught up in the wickedness of this cult.
    Those of you with family members who’ve been disconnected from you, here’s hoping they come back to reality soon. My thoughts are with all of you.
    eta: CONGRATS to the new parents, hope sleep and sanity return to your lives soonly!! :)

    • Baby

      Hi Xenu.. Welcome to the bunker.. so great that you joined us.. You will be a great asset..Lovin your avi..

      OK night all.. yawwwwwwwwwwn… If I didn’t get to your posts I’m sorry.. I spent a lot of time on radar today.. xooxx love Baby..

      • Noni Mause

        Hi, Baby, Radaronline now appears to be moderating comments.

        • ozzybud420

          thats what i thought at 1st but i used the word shit in the 1st 1 that they moderated and redid it without shit and it went thru right away. but then my original went thru about the same time. very odd.

          • Noni Mause

            Thanks for that. I guess I’ll wait and see what happens.

        • Baby

          shit.. that means they are being flagged by Scn..

          • Noni Mause

            How do you mean? Are you saying that they flag someone’s comments once and then all that persons comments get moderated ?

            • Baby

              Did you comment get through?

            • Noni Mause

              Will pop over and check…

            • Noni Mause

              The comment isn’t appearing in my disqus account. Presumably that means it hasn’t gotten through.

            • Baby

              I’m scooting over to get my new glasses..

              Noni did you happen to add a link? I know they don’t take outside links..hmmmmm

              and knowing the way you comment appropriately I can’t imagine..

            • Noni Mause

              No, no link, just words. The comment I left for 6dog has been added to my last post at the top of this thread. If you go into yesterday’s story and hit ‘newest’ my post should be close to the top. I cut and pasted his comment in and then my Radar reply. I just had a feeling it might not get through and I wanted to keep evidence of what I actually said.

            • Baby

              Ok going off to read sweetie..

            • Noni Mause

              I’ve just ducked over there and left a comment on the latest TC/scientology story and all went well. I wonder whether Radar just spat the dummy yesterday b/c of all the arguing.

            • Baby

              It’s funny I went over there and I answered that question too.. and it wasn’t there..hmmm Oh well.. I love your little mouse..awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww so stinkin cute..

      • Xenu Was A Nihilist

        Hi Baby, thanks for the welcome, I am so glad to be here!!

        • Baby

          We love Newbies.. especially when they share our opinions..( hahahhaha)

          • Xenu Was A Nihilist

            Hahaha!
            I def share the opinion that Scientology is a cult, and a very dangerous one at that!

            • Baby

              Oh absolutely!!! dangerous to the max Xenu.. xo

  • CO$CUZ

    I’m not sure I read this correctly, but did Miscivage deny even knowing Marty Rathbun?

    • Room 101

      No

      • Cece

        Yes he did in something. Read again the links. He (Him that shall not be named) did. He lies, lies, and lies again. He depends on blinders put on by the meek and terrified of him. Come on you guys under the radar. Let lose and speak up for human rights – freedom! Speak out and don’t care what it costs. It will be less then a Warehouse MK VIII I promise.

    • Rita Gregory

      His lawyer stated it. I don’t have the link cause I’m on my mobile device but on Karen De La Carriere’s blog part 4 of Monique Rathbun vs. Church of Scientology it has some info about it. I think it may have been written about on Mike Rinders blog and maybe here too, but I came across Karen D’s first.

      • Nevermore
        • Rita Gregory

          Thank you!

      • CO$CUZ

        I thought I had heard/read that somewhere. Then yesterday, when I was reading Miscivage’s deposition for Bent Corydon’s case, it stated that Marty Rathbun was also present. It must be exhausting to keep up with all their lies!

    • Rita Gregory

      Check out the video below which Nevermore so graciously provided the link to. Miscaviges lawyer did indee make a statement to that effect. :)

  • valshifter

    ” WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD” they feel so entitled to call the shots and tell the judge what the next move should be, lets not listen to whatever Jeffrey has to say, is not important, Monique has no rights right?

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yeah, THEY do need to move forward, right out of the courtroom.

  • aurora50

    Guardian article explaining some of the nuances in the UK ruling on allowing weddings in CoS ‘chapel’:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/11/scientologist-wins-supreme-ruling-worship-marriage?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

  • Qbird

    Really good reporting (AGAIN) today. Thanks TO & Mike! Nite all — later dates.

  • Nevermore

    I went to bed chortling. Got up grumpy, as it’s cold and damp and my arthritis is having a party in my hands. Read the stuff Tony posted after I logged off. Am chortling again. If laughter was literal medicine, I would be cured!

    • Cece

      Nevermore, but it is (literal medicine). Maybe just leave one of those court vids on while you are sleeping :) This all is dang exciting and should produce enough anti-free-radicals or something good enough to heal arthritis. Just do flows not ridges somehow it’s just when you are sleeping? Get a teddy bear to hug or something, Sleeptime should be a time of pease a sorta ‘time out’ and you want to awake feeling alive and awake.
      I don’t know right off the flows and ridges names (like love would be a flow). Flows flow and ridges stop which can reflect in the body parts and can cause the joints to get that resistance.
      Would show right up 50,000 times read with a warehouse VIII and a caring auditor/counselor.
      But truly there are some things that LRon said that are workable. The basic stuff about flows and ridges works. He said “Considerations take rank over the mechanics of space, energy and time.”
      So basically we are in charge after all and may as well be in charge.
      Sorry about the cold and damp. I’d send some low pressure over yonder but have no idea where you are – MI? Like I really even have a clue what ‘low pressure’ is. :)

      • Nevermore

        Cheers CeCe, but I’m a lot further away than MI – I’m in Scotland in the UK! :-) I have got into the habit of doing a bit of meditation before bed – wish I’d done it years ago, when my redhead temper kept getting me into trouble – but last night I’d been playing Assassin’s Creed on the Xbox for hours, so the hands were tired, I was all hyped up over the game and the stuff that went on in Texas, so didn’t sleep well. And the damned cat won’t let me cuddle him, the ungrateful wretch! No, wait, here he comes, purring and making eyes at me – he probably wants food!

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    I am behind 600+ comments so if this has been posted and discussed, ignore it.

    Mike B has posted the longer version of today’s hearings at: http://vimeo.com/81682674

    Sugar Ray was quite effective, I thought, in conveying that this is not a typical lawsuit. He actually mentioned the drowning of the judge’s dog in the Wallersheim case! I bet that got Judge Waldrip’s attention.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Thank you.

    • DeElizabethan

      Thanks, that helped a lot.

  • Interested

    For once the gave approximate figures(6.26) at the bottom…. Normally they put in up to the {last} number so it should have read
    195’012 volunteers. 174’124.65 miles and 1,564,674 people helped.

    Someone got RPF d.

  • Krew13

    The BBC in the UK ran a feature last night on the Sciloon wedding news and did an interview with the awesome Marc Headley!

    Luckily someone’s uploaded it. It also features an interview with the brainwashed robotic couple. Funniest moment is when they’re asked if the COS paid for their lawyers and PR people. The guy just nods and smiles.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13MjITXZpFw

    • Graham

      What an incredible publicity coup to get ten minutes on a flag-ship national programme. And despite that they were too scared to put up a spokes-person! So instead Marc Headley was in the spot-light unchallenged. No rebuttal attempted. Not even a ‘bitter apostates’ e-mail from the sock-puppet known as Karin Pouw. It probably would have been a disaster had they put someone up for interview, so in one sense possibly a wise decision, but not even a written statement?! Running out of personnel, running out of time.

      • Nevermore

        Methinks it might be worth a few of us contacting the BBC, and asking them to get Mr Sweeney to do an update to his previous masterpiece. Or a whole new masterpiece.

        • Graham

          Yes. Surprising they didn’t interview him. With any luck this could turn into a major foot-bullet for $cientology. It’s put the spot-light on them big-time and nobody’s saying anything nice about them. The government seems determined not to give any concessions. I think this will be widely viewed as another example of the judiciary being out of touch and making silly pronouncements.

          • Nevermore

            There was quite a bit of traffic on the thread about it on the Beeb website last night – a couple of $cilons valiantly defending the {church}, and taking quite a bit of flak. It was quite heartening to see the public aren’t buying it. Some tweets on the Newsnight page too!
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mk25

      • Kevin Woolard

        Fortunately, Paxo barely bothered to hide his contempt for the cherch …

        • Nevermore

          Right Reverend John Travolta – LULZ!

          • Kevin Woolard

            It’d be funny if it wasn’t really rather tragic – they might as well have had ‘brainwashed fool’ tattooed their foreheads

    • DodoTheLaser

      So theta! These two love doves clearly are nowhere near OT III.

    • zoomusicgirl

      Oh, I missed that. Can you tell me what programme it was on so I can see if it’s available to watch on iPlayer? I’m furious about the Supreme Court’s decision, despite understanding the logic, because, as a result, scientology may well end up qualifying for religious exemption from business rates.

      • RBE

        Newsnight for Wed 11th December

        • zoomusicgirl

          Thank you. That is quite a coup for Marc Headley to get on Newsnight.

          • Nevermore

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03ln3fl/Newsnight_11_12_2013/

            Save you looking for it! 31.40 into the broadcast.

            • zoomusicgirl

              Thank you, Nevermore, that did make things much easier. I was very impressed by Marc Headley: he got all the main points in, appeared relaxed and, more importantly, was entirely credible.

          • RBE

            I had a wide smile when Marc popped up on screen. Paxman would have ripped any Church representative a new one if they dared to show up in the studio.

            • Nevermore

              Even the reporter who interviewed the couple went in for the kill, about the cherch paying for their lawyers and PR – well done!

            • Krew13

              I just hope the reporter isn’t now subjected to the same harassment Sweeney has suffered since doing his reports.

            • zoomusicgirl

              It made me laugh when Paxman referred to Hubbard’s disciples “Saint Tom Cruise and the Right Reverend John Travolta”.

    • Mark

      Good to see David Barrett interviewed here as well as Marc Headley: Barrett recently published a long and highly-detailed exposé of the “Worldwide Church of God” and its offshoots (The Fragmentation of a Sect) and has little sympathy for the Herbert W. Armstrongs and Miscaviges of this world.
      By the way, just look at the “happy” couple’s shifty eyes when the reporter asks them about the Co$-funded lawyers and PR people…

      • Nevermore

        Yeah, a real caught in the headlights moment!

        • Krew13

          Notice how the guy swallows nervously when the reporter asks the question about the human race starting 75 million years ago when a spaceship landed. They clearly aren’t that far up the bridge, as that kind of question would normally be met either with violence, verbal abuse or walking out.

          • Nevermore

            You’re right, I don’t think they have a clue about the stuff in the higher levels – would it be too much to hope that the reference to spaceships might set them on a trawl through the internet??

            • zoomusicgirl

              I think in the case of those two, it would be too much to hope. They appear to be the stereotypical dupes most people imagine scientologists to be, rather than people like Jefferson Hawkins or Geir Isene, who make you wonder how they ever got caught up in it in the first place, given that they weren’t enrolled as minors by their parents.

    • Imelda Marcos

      “I personally don’t believe that human race began when a space ship came to Earth 75 million years ago”. Just wait.

      How excellent that Marc Headley got to make the point at length, about what the chirch spends their money on – lots of empty buildings, lots of luxury items for Hubbard and Miscavige; “lots of motorcycles”, lol.

  • Noni Mause

    Radaronline now appears to be moderating comments.

    • Miss Tia

      those are excellent analogies…..i love that with the democrats, the greenpeace, etc….do you mind if i use that sometime in tweets? that’s just brilliant and i think really CLEARLY gets the point across…..

      • Noni Mause

        It would be my honor, Miss T! I actually meant to change the scout analogy to: ” If the local gun control advocacy group had a policy that their members had to disconnect from any family or friends who were NRA supporters, I would have a problem with that too.” Radar booted me off before I could change it though. Feel free to use that too if you wish!

        • Miss Tia

          Thanks!!! NRA is good one too!!! Actually there’s all kind of analogies like that, that’s just a great perspective!!!!

    • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

      The frustrating part is that there are even ex-Scientologists who justify disconenection by saying that, “well if your son is a drug addict or your mom is in prison for murder, then you’d disconnect, right?”

      They don’t realize (because they lost their humanity long ago) that, NO, even then people do NOT disconnect. There are parents who visit their child rapist, murdering son in prison at least once a year. Because they CHOOSE to. Because there isn’t anyone standing there saying, “Ewwww don’t talk to those people.”

      Disconnection refers ONLY to the Scientology practice of prohibiting association with people who are deemed “tainted” by the cult. There is no such thing as disconnection in real life. Anywhere. There are instances where people stop associating with people but it is WRONG to call that disconnection.

      • Noni Mause

        That’s a really good point, Derek. My brain is ticking over as I’m typing… Disconnection, meaning the total, absolute and unremitting withdrawal from a relationship IS an extreme action. It leaves absolutely no chance for that relationship ever to be repaired. Thanks for pointing that out – I wasn’t thinking clearly enough in my response to this fellow. Now that you’ve helped me clarify that for myself I won’t make that mistake again.

        • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

          Even more to the point. disconnection refers to the practice of severing relationships with people over something as petty as a religious disagreement. You can still be friends with a rapist/murderer as long as they believe in Scientology (in fact you’d be required to at least have a faux friendship with them). Disconnection refers to the practice of severing and abolishing bonds with anyone who disagrees with your religious views.

          If Judeo-Christian religions practiced that can you imagine what that would mean for a child born to a Jewish mother and a father who refused to convert to Judaism? The entire family would be torn apart.

          • Noni Mause

            Thanks for the further clarification. Its hard to really get your head around it when the notion is foreign to you. Your comments are a timely reminder that you must think clearly when trying to discuss these topics because scientology will try to draw comparisons that aren’t actually valid.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Well it used to be difficult for me too. As I become more and more worldly I can see the fallacy of some of the comparisons that Scientology, ex-Scientologists, Scientologists and the media at large are guilty of using.

  • Interested

    If we write to ou MP s in England with regard to this ŵedding and the repercussions, even our prime minister, do you think it would help?

  • Eclipse-girl

    Can some one who has the facts tell me.

    Is scientology a recognized religion or did it get some type of charitable tax exemption?

    I have seen people argue both

  • Baby

    Feedback needed. ..

    OK my new strategy over at radar. Ok.. So when a post is started about SCN and we are responding to it.. and the Obvious trolls Lifter and Dog6 are the worst ( or 6dog I forget..) The one who calls us extremist..

    Comes on and rants, attacks and distracts..

    I am going to go to They Should Not have Died.. and post a story of a death associated with Scn.

    Example:

    Kyle Brennan, born 12 April 1986, son of a Scientology
    father and a Catholic mother, was 20 when he died 17 February 2007 on a
    visit to his father. His father had withdrawn his medication for
    depression (it was found locked in the glove-box of his truck) and left a
    loaded gun in their appartment. When he found Kyle shot, his father allegedly (and typically) called church security before calling an ambulance an hour later. A
    lawsuit (currently ongoing in the Tampa federal court) alleges that
    several senior Scientologists persuaded Kyle’s father to take away his
    Lexapro. The suit, which also names Thomas Brennan as a defendant,
    states that the defendants tried to put Kyle Brennan into a Narconon
    drug treatment program. Kyle Brennan was not a Scientologist.

    Google They Should Not Have Died For more information about this Cult Tony Ortega Dot Org

    I will NOT participate in discussion with them. I will just post this.. and I think that they will absolutely be stopped in their tracks..

    What do you think?

    • DeElizabethan

      Great idea. Educate them a little.

      • Baby

        Thanks DeElizabethan.. I will just do that! ha.. Just to the AssHats..The one that is absolutely confirmed I know Dog is one..and Lifter..ugh ( they hate all things Scienlooooooooogy)

    • Sydjazz

      That is awful! Another life lost :(

      • Baby

        tragic loss

  • aegerprimo

    Article in Hollywood Reporter about Pat Kingsley (fired by Tom Cruise because of Scientology influence) -

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/pat-kingsley-finally-talks-tom-664535

  • Sydjazz

    Oh come on if the judge can’t see that they have dobbed themselves in then there is something wrong.

  • valshifter

    is there any video of Miscavige’s previous depositions?