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HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Scientology Attacks Garcia Filing; Marc Headley Schools Clearwater’s Mayor

Luis_GarciaLast week, Luis and Rocio Garcia responded to Scientology’s most serious attack on their federal fraud lawsuit with a harshly-worded court brief which also included a declaration from Luis Garcia himself.

On Friday, Scientology filed a new motion which is asking for Garcia’s declaration to be rejected. Why? Because Garcia is now alleging facts which contradict the lawsuit’s original complaint, the church says.

In January, the Garcias sued five of Scientology’s corporate entities, accusing them of defrauding the Garcias as they were asked for donations. In particular, the Garcias say they gave one entity — the Church of Scientology Religious Trust (CSRT) — more than $300,000 for donations toward construction of Scientology’s “Super Power Building.”

Ten months after the lawsuit was filed, Scientology said it had just discovered that some of CSRT’s trustees actually reside in California, where the Garcias are (they live in Irvine). That’s a problem for the lawsuit, Scientology says, which should not have been filed in a federal court in Florida.

The Garcias answered angrily, with a response that not only questioned the factual assertions about CSRT’s trustees, but Luis Garcia also pointed out that although his Super Power donations went to CSRT, he never actually met any CSRT representatives. His interactions were with employees of the Flag Service Organization (FSO), which operates Scientology’s “mecca” complex in Clearwater, Florida.

Now, Scientology has asked Judge James Whittemore to strike Garcia’s declaration. “The sworn factual statements of plaintiff’s declaration wholly contradict the allegations of plaintiffs’ complaint,” the church says.

The Garcias can’t sue CSRT in their original complaint and then later declare that they never actually dealt with anyone from CSRT, the church complains.

But the Garcia response last week also asked Judge Whittemore for the ability to amend their complaint. We asked a member of our legal team for their thoughts about the church’s newest assault on the Garcia team.

This is a leap, and par for the church’s course. Garcia’s complaint is not clear whether they met or talked to someone from the trust. It implies that the Garcias read and listened to statements, and that meetings were required. If it turns out that the Garcias did meet with the trust, I wonder why the dichotomy between the complaint and declaration wasn’t caught by their attorneys, or if it is even material to the case. If they didn’t meet, and this motion turns out to be overreaching by the church, I wonder how tired the judge is going to get of this nonsense.

Here’s Scientology’s motion to strike. We’re also waiting to see if Judge Whittemore will allow the Garcia team to seek discovery on the trustees of the church entities which have asked to be dismissed, and Whittemore also is considering Scientology’s motion to dismiss the suit in favor of arbitration.

 
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Marc Headley’s Message to Mayor George Cretekos

We’ve been fascinated by Tampa Bay Times reporter Charlie Frago’s coverage of the Church of Scientology’s demands on the city of Clearwater as several big church events near. Scientology has made numerous last-minute demands for street closures, and has also flouted city law by chopping down trees and putting up huge signs.

Last week, former Scientologist Marc Headley — author of the thrilling escape narrative, Blown For Good — sent the following message to Clearwater Mayor George Cretekos, encouraging him to stand up to Scientology leader David Miscavige. Headley shared it with us, and we thought readers would find it interesting.

Hello, my name is Marc Headley.

I worked for Scientology for 15 years. A large portion of those 15 years I spent at the international headquarters of Scientology in California. I worked at Golden Era Productions. Golden Era Productions is responsible for the “Events” that Scientology put on all around the world. For many years I was over the “Event” production and crew that build the tents, rigged the lights and set up the video & audio gear. In addition to the hundreds of events I worked on, I would say 30 of them were in Florida and many at the Fort Harrison Auditorium in the great city of Clearwater.

In all the many years we did events, we would routinely get last minute changes dictated by David Miscavige. We were ordered to make these changes happen no matter what the consequence or resultant flap. If someone was ordered to cut down some trees because they would be in the way of something that David Miscavige ordered, you cut down the trees. Paying a fine for some trees paled in comparison to the possible punishments doled out by Miscavige. We killed trees on L. Ron Hubbard Way in Los Angeles for a camera angle that David Miscavige insisted on. No street is sacred in David Miscavige’s eyes.

A lot of times the local legal departments of Scientology would file for permits or road closures at the last minute for events that had been changed or put off by David Miscavige. In most cases there would be advance notice or filing requirements for these permits. THESE DEADLINES OR REQUIREMENT ARE OFTEN IGNORED. These are looked on as “unimportant details” and “pencil pusher mentality stuff” or “silly WOG laws.” “If there is a fee or penalty, just find out what that is and pay it!”

You have already seen this mentality in effect in your town of Clearwater. When David Miscavige delayed opening the newly erected building for years and years, they just went ahead and paid the fine. Everyone working for Scientology knows who delayed the opening. They could never blame David Miscavige for fear of the punishment that would ultimately ensue. Much better to just pay the fine, no matter how much it costs.

Scientology KNOWS that they are always right and are never to be questioned. They know that they are better than everyone else and even smarter and better quality people.

The mayor and staff of a small city are looked upon as people to be used as to achieve what Scientology wants. As soon as these people are no longer doing and saying what Scientology wants they are no longer useful. Period. Scientology looks down on anyone that is not in Scientology.

Years ago when I still worked with David Miscavige he attended a celebrity birthday party in Los Angeles. Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Oprah Winfrey, Bill Clinton and many others were there at the party. When David Miscavige returned to the Scientology facilities in Los Angeles, a staffer asked him if he met Bill Clinton. “No,” Miscavige replied, “He met ME!”

David Miscavige looks down on U.S. presidents. If you think he spends one single second thinking or caring about the people of Clearwater or their city leaders, you are sorely mistaken. You are either working for David Miscavige and Scientology or you are “obstacles.”

I understand you are in a tough position as Scientology has slowly but surely overtaken your entire downtown area. I understand the political and public pressures with such a group sitting there asking to be treated fairly when they themselves act unfairly on a daily basis. And as soon as they are treated like everyone else, they play the “religion” card. This is part of their playbook. This is how they are allowed to do what they do, day in and day out. They have taken a business and made it run like a well oiled Ponzi scheme under the guise of a religion. I should know. I worked there for 15 years at the top of the pyramid.

This is one of those fork in the road moments. This could be great. This could be a tipping point of great things to come. Or it could just be a tiny bump in the road in Scientology’s long highway of brute force conquests.

I wanted to write you and let you know this before you make any decisions regarding allowing them to ride roughshod over your city with their over the top last minute demands in regards to their upcoming events.

Thanks for your time and attention.

Respectfully,

Marc Headley

 
On Friday, Frago reported that Clearwater agreed to most of the hours Scientology wants Fort Harrison Avenue shut down next weekend for its events, but it denied Scientology’s request to remove a street light for filming purposes.

Headley tells us he received a form letter response from Cretekos, the same that other Bunker readers received to their notes to the mayor.

 
Hey, let’s take a look at some of the stuff our tipsters sent us this week in our recurring feature, Sunday Funnies.

Let’s start with this promotional video for last night’s big fundraiser for the Silicon Valley Ideal Org! Start yer engines!

 

 
Hey, here’s an oldtimer — Arte Maren — and you just know he’ll wow the crowd down in Georgia…

 
ArteMarenFlier

 
Here’s another couple that has decided to help save this planet. Their wallets a lot lighter, the rest of us are the beneficiaries!

 
BennettVanguard

 
Those irrepressible folks in the San Fernando Valley just never give up! We’d love to hear how much this party rocks…

 
ValleyHoliday

 
Thanks again to our great tipsters. Keep those items coming!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on November 10, 2013 at 07:00

E-mail your tips and story ideas to tonyo94@gmail.com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. Here at the Bunker we try to have a post up every morning at 7 AM Eastern (Noon GMT), and on some days we post an afternoon story at around 2 PM. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

 

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  • Sarah James

    I hope the judge in the Garcia case is on to Micavige dirty tricks. Scientology arbitration exists in the same way OT powers exist….not at all.

  • ze moo

    Some good future jokes here and a nice balance of clams and anon comments. Tommy’s ‘making a movie is a lot like going to Afghanistan’ is not making any friends.

    http://www.eonline.com/news/479384/the-7-most-surprising-tidbits-from-tom-cruise-s-deposition

    • Mooser

      I was a little shocked by how eagerly TC’s aside about the rigors of movie-making was picked up and shouted about. The long knives are out for Tom, aren’t they?

      • ze moo

        So far it is mostly the gossip sites that reporting it. There is some question if the quotes attributed to him are perfectly in chronological order. There does seem to be glee at his discomfort. Pent up anger, or fake umbrage?

        • Mooser

          It was on my Google news!

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            mine too, on Google news alerts

        • Rita Gregory

          TV Guide, Vanity Fair it’s spreading. :)

          • Mooser

            I can’t help but notice (and I don’t notice easy) that there seems to be a little bit of maliciousness in the media handling of Mr. Cruises contretemps. The remark was ill-considered, but hardly damning. Seems to be very little media good-will towards the guy who was once “top gun”.

            • Rita Gregory

              Sorry Mooser I think it is pretty damning.

              Q. Now, your counsel has publicly equated your absence from Suri for
              these extended periods of time as being analogous to someone fighting in
              Afghanistan. Are you aware of that?
              Mr Fields: Object to form of the questiion.
              You may answer.
              By Ms. McNamara:
              Q. Yeah, you can answer.
              A. I didn’t hear the Afghanistan, but that’s what it feels like, and certainly on this last movie, it was brutal. It was brutal.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              What a douche!!

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re too kind.

            • Rita Gregory

              Douche canoe?

            • GlibWog

              Oh Rita.. The Douche Canoe tipped over long ago.. and landed in Bull Shit.

            • Rita Gregory

              And it is stuck there. :)

            • Missionary Kid

              That’ll make a good name for the Fleawinds. Thanks.
              Here’s the list for that:
              THE $CIENTOLOGY BOAT
              Asbestos Boat
              Breaking Winds
              BreakWinds
              Douche canoe
              Fee Winds
              Flea Winds
              Fleabag
              Fleawinds
              Flee Winds
              SS Flounderwinds
              SS Mesothelioma
              The Love Boat meets A Clockwork Orange
              UnFreewinds

            • Observer

              Tom’s history of requiring that interviewers only ask him specific, pre-approved softball questions and his “blacklisting” of any interviewer who refuses to play or reports negatively about his “church” might have something to do with it.

              An example; http://www.xenu.net/archive/WIR/wir09-23.html

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Tide has turned.
              He should have been vilified years ago but he wasn’t.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s actually better this way, because the hostility has just been building. When it goes like it has, it’s much longer lasting.

              Can you imagine what the reaction would be towards him if he showed up at a sports event in the next couple of weeks?

            • KJP in Portland

              I like what happened at the last sports event! The thundering boos!

            • Missionary Kid

              The Dodger game boos were loud, but not thundering. They would be now.

            • Rita Gregory

              However loud they were “it was brutal, it was brutal.”

            • Deeana

              Maliciousness? What the man said is what the man said. How is it “malicious” to report what someone said? Read the Deposition for yourself. The idiot compared his “brutal” acting job to serving in Afghanistan. “Damning” is subjective. Why don’t we ask some of those who have served in Afghanistan what they think of the remarks?

            • texasborn

              I can tell you what my son-in-law said, but it would be brutal, just brutal.

            • Missionary Kid

              There’s a shit storm of comments that I’ve seen at some of the other celebrity news sites. It’s not just among Afghanistan vets, but their families. They are PISSED.

            • Rita Gregory

              I can’t wait to her my brother in laws take on this this. He just got back from another tour. Third or fourth I think.

        • KJP in Portland

          He’s had ‘it’ coming ever since his strange Sci video, couch jumping and being best buds with DM. I think he is finally reaping his reward for being a freak.

        • Deeana

          “So far it is mostly the gossip sites that reporting it. There is some question if the quotes attributed to him are perfectly in chronological order.”

          Both of these sentences are UNTRUE. Did you by any chance read the Deposition? Nothing was taken out of context or chronological order. “Mostly the gossip sites”? Hah! I don’t think so!

      • Sidney18511

        The long knives? He did this to himself. Hoisted on his own petard.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        And he has been sharpening them himself for years.

    • Captain Howdy

      The Afghan comment is rapidly becoming the all time Cruise quote. It has surpassed the “when you drive past the scene of an accident..” quote.

      I believe it is the quote that Cruise will be remembered by.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I fucking hope so. ;-)

      • Sherbet

        Especially on the eve of Veteran’s Day. Even though the deposition was taken in September, it’s coming to light now and appears to have terrible timing for TC. (Good timing for anyone who wants TC to look like the doofus that he is.)

        • Aslansown

          Counting the days until Tom Cruise announces he is going to Afghanistan on a goodwill mission of some sort.

          • Missionary Kid

            Think he’s bright enough to realize that his rep’s statement that he was kidding won’t do it?

            • Aslansown

              Ummmm…nope.

            • Missionary Kid

              That $cientology hubris will get them every time.

            • Sherbet

              The funny thing is, anyone under the stress of a deposition might say something dumb. It’s always so delicious, though, to hear Mr. Big Shot put his foot right into it. I don’t think TC meant to imply he’s braver or stronger than the troops in Afghanistan, but his careless statement has morphed into meaning just that.

            • Missionary Kid

              But, but, but, he’s clear. His I.Q. is sky high, since he’s OT something or other. He’s a product of LRH and DM tech. FAIL.

            • Sherbet

              Don’t you know TC & Co. probably are all spinning this as a big Fail on the part of the haters in the media who misinterpret his comments? That’s how he rolls, that big Bean.

            • Missionary Kid

              I hope that’s how they spin it to themselves. The shit storm will just grow, and it’s their own fault.

            • Sherbet

              Do I see a wide grin on your face, Kid?

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m not one to wish ill of someone… Screw it.
              Aw, hell yes.

            • Sherbet

              I, too, don’t wish ill of anyone, either. But, you said it; it’s their own fault. Karma.

            • Missionary Kid

              $cientology hubris meets Karma kickback.
              He’s gonna be harder to find than DM.
              He won’t fly commercial for a loooong time. He might actually have to face real people.

            • Sherbet

              “real people” — are those the ones who AREN’T on his payroll? OK, I get it.

            • Missionary Kid

              Or trying to get an interview. He’s notorious for restricting topics of interviews. I’ll bet he’ll go on Oprah to try to undo the damage.

            • Sherbet

              I’m torn between wishing he’d put a sock in it, and hoping he’ll keep blurting out the stupitude. (My word: stupidity + attitude)

            • Aslansown

              Yes, I think he was supposedly comparing being away from his daughter to soldiers who have to be away from their families, but it’s still insulting. He can hop on a private jet any time he wants and go see her (or have her come to see him if he can’t get away). Too many other insulting comparisons to even list.

            • Deeana

              No, the statement was not in comparing TC being away from his daughter. Read the Deposition.

            • Rita Gregory

              Scroll down hon.

            • Deeana

              I agree with you that TC didn’t “mean to imply”. He said it outright.

            • Sherbet

              I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was referencing how hard it is to be away from home and working hard physically, often in remote locations. But, one never knows. The man has come out with some lulus over the past years, so he might have been putting himself on the front lines…in his imagination and his arrogance.

            • Ruby

              Seriously? Since when do people crack jokes and kid during a deposition?

            • Missionary Kid

              Check out Snopes. That’s where I think I saw it.

            • TXCowgirl

              Happens a lot.

            • Rita Gregory

              He wasn’t kidding. I posted an excerpt from the deposition. Scroll down a little.

            • Ruby

              Yes, I know TC meant it. Such an arrogant fool. My comment was in regard to the publicist saying he was kidding.

            • Rita Gregory

              How is the publisher going to spin the words in a deposition? Hee, hee. The publisher doesn’t have a pray. Good luck dude! :)

            • Rita Gregory

              I think Tom may be hiring a new lawyer and publisher soon.

          • Sherbet

            Good thinking, Aslansown. He’s got to undo the PR boo-boo.

            • Aslansown

              He sure does. This is probably the worst thing that’s ever come out about him (worse than the leaked film, if that’s even possible). His PR people were probably on the phone to whoever books those visits insisting that he be able to go.

            • Sherbet

              I understand there are musicians and comics who have made several trips to the Mideast troops and kept it quiet. TC would be blaring his philanthropy from the rooftops, and he’d have planeloads of press following him. Heck, he might even bring Suri along and kill two PR birds with one stone!

            • Aslansown

              Exactly. David Letterman has been going over on the holidays for years and he never said anything about it until he’d get back and show a few photos of the troops he met.

              At this point, I think the troops would rather see Suri!

            • Rita Gregory

              With Katie for sure!

            • TXCowgirl

              There’s an idea. Have Katie make a couple of USO trips to the troops.

            • Missionary Kid

              There are people who are opposed to the war who have gone several times for the troops.

              Has he even been once?

            • Sherbet

              Good question. I think the VMs should make a trip there and offer their help to the Other side.

            • Missionary Kid

              Shit. That’ll make the Afghans who are on the fence, REALLY, REALLY hostile. NO WAY should any VM’s be there.

            • TXCowgirl

              Yes. In December of 2011 in Germany. (Nobody jump on me! I’m just answering MK’s question)

              http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/66673/Tom-Cruise-Honoured-To-Meet-Soldiers-

              “According to Contactmusic.com the visit took place earlier this month. The actor described the experience as an honour, saying: “It’s Christmas time and I appreciate everything that they’re doing for us, for our country and for the world. I wanted to come by and say hello and thank them in person. For me it’s a real privilege and honour to do that.””

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. Since he’s been there, it means he should know better.

              Two words: Stu Pid.

            • TXCowgirl

              Yep. In the interest of fairness, how many of the media mongrels will add the above quote to their stories? Exactly none!!

            • KJP in Portland

              He goes over there to visit troops; he gets booed right back on the aircraft!

            • Sherbet

              It could happen.

            • Captain Howdy

              He’s going to have to publicly address this.

              I’m guessing a trip to Oprah’s couch has been booked.

            • Observer

              I think that couch had to retire due to PTSD.

            • TXCowgirl

              He’s going to use his frequent flyer miles. Oh wait, I forgot he only flies commercial as a last resort.

            • Sherbet

              Send him back and forth to Dubai, like a hundred times.

            • Captain Howdy

              If he goes to Dubai he’ll probably come back an Islamic fundamentalist.

            • Sherbet

              Even they think scientology is far too strict and a bit wacky.

            • Sherbet

              If he’s smart (I said “if”), he’ll never mention it again. He could only make it worse by trying to explain.

            • Rita Gregory

              After reading his deposition I think the smart ship has sailed. :)

            • Missionary Kid

              If he’s smart. The problem is, it’s been festering, and his attorney’s didn’t have a clue. They were looking so hard at trying to avoid casting any aspersions on Co$, they let the biggie slip by.

            • GlibWog

              Dr. Phil’s Couch

            • Sherbet

              I was just thinking, can you imagine if Will Smith made a good-will mission to Afghanistan, giving the troops DVDs of “After Earth”? There would be thousands of AWOLs.

            • Missionary Kid

              One of the best laughs of the evening. Thanks.

      • TXCowgirl

        What is the exact quote, the exact words, for which everyone thinks he will be remembered? I offer up this question to all.

        • Rita Gregory

          Scroll down a little in this thread.

          • TXCowgirl

            I have several times. In the third to the bottom comment the exact words of the depo are written out. What I’m trying to get at is is the quote he will forever be remembered for going to be “I didn’t hear the Afghanistan, but that’s what it feels like, and certainly on this movie, it was brutal”? Or will it be for a more souped up version such as “I think making a movie is as brutal as doing a tour in Afghanistan”?

            • Rita Gregory

              Probably “I think making a movie is as brutal as doing a tour in Afghanistan”.

            • TXCowgirl

              I agree with you. My point, not directed at you specifically, was that he’ll be remembered for a sensationalized mis-quote. Kind of like Sally Fields, “You like me. You really, really like me.”

            • Rita Gregory

              Yep. Got it. :)

        • Captain Howdy

          There is no exact quote which is why it has such legs. it just keeps mutating.

          • TXCowgirl

            Well, there is an exact quote from the depo transcript, but it’s just not juicy enough for the media. I’m not calling anyone out, but rather channeling Sgt. Joe Friday, once again. Growing up, My dad’s mantra was that “facts are wonderful things.” It’s kind of stuck with me.

            • Captain Howdy

              The media are paraphrasing something Cruise said in response to a question from the lawyer who is paraphrasing something Bert Fields said.

              never the less..it’s all good.

            • TXCowgirl

              Yes. The preceding question from the defense attorney was simply, “Are you aware of that.” He should have answered simply, “No.” In depos and courtrooms when people try to explain or justify themselves is where they get into trouble. Tom did a doozie this time.

            • Rita Gregory

              Amen, yes or no as much as possible.

            • Captain Howdy

              In the world of crime you learn when talking to the Man is to keep it to “yes’ and “no” and if you’re going to lie to make it simple. The more complicated the lie the more likely you’re going to be saying bye, bye to your freedom.

            • Rita Gregory

              “Just the facts, ma’ma. Just the facts” Bum ba bum bum……

            • TXCowgirl

              ^^^^^

          • Rita Gregory

            Muahahahahahaha.

          • GlibWog

            “When you’re a Scientologist, and you drive by an accident, you know you
            have to do something about it, because you know you’re the only one who
            can really help… We are the way to happiness. We can bring peace and
            unite cultures.”

            I posted this to TX Captain.. I didn’t know if you saw it.. ( taken from the video..)

            • TXCowgirl

              I saw, but it’s worth repeating…..and repeating and repeating and repeating.

        • Robert Eckert

          “That last film was brutal. It was brutal.”

        • GlibWog

          “When you’re a Scientologist, and you drive by an accident, you know you
          have to do something about it, because you know you’re the only one who
          can really help… We are the way to happiness. We can bring peace and
          unite cultures.” Tom Cruise

    • Missionary Kid

      He’s gonna be the Afghanistan equivalent of Vietnam’s Jane Fonda among a lot of people.
      $cientology tech=automatic footbullets.

      • Sherbet

        Whoa! In that case, there’ll be no forgiving TC for at least 40 years. Ouch.

        • TXCowgirl

          But he’ll make tons of $$$ on his exercise video series.

          • Sherbet

            Laughing out loud, Cowgirl! TC in spandex and leg warmers! I can’t stand it!

            • Rita Gregory

              I smell a shoop! Obs?

            • Sherbet

              I was thinking the same thing, Rita.

            • KJP in Portland

              TC and exercise videos. Lulz!

            • Rita Gregory

              The way his career is going he may have to resort to that. LOL.

            • Sherbet

              “Hanoi Jane” and “Taliban Tommy”

            • Rita Gregory

              Laughing so hard I can’t hardly type. Bawahahahahahahah!

            • Missionary Kid

              Taliban Tommy goes into my TC collection.
              TOM CRUISE
              Couch Jumper
              ElfMan
              Jerry McGlib
              Jerry McGLIBIDITY
              Jerry McGullible
              Little Tommy Tucker (Ref: Nursery rhyme)
              Lost Gun
              Middletooth Mapother
              Midgeteer
              Misscruise
              Operating Fruit-loop
              See-Cruise-Crash-Again (Ref: his attempt at SCCA racing)
              Taliban Tommy
              Tammy Girl
              TCSDMCOHB
              Templeton (the more he ages, the more he reminds me of the rat from Charlotte’s Web)
              The Glib-Meter
              The Whooosh-ZZZZ!!! Divorcee
              Tiny Tom
              Tom Kat-less
              Tom Middletooth
              Tom Thumb
              Tomboy
              Tommy Girl
              Tommy Low Tone
              Tommy-Dunce
              Top Bum
              uberdouche

              SAID ABOUT TOM CRUISE:
              Every time I hear or read the name ‘Tom Cruise’, I think of doorbells…DING DONG!
              Tom Cruise Crazy

              ABOUT DM & TC
              The Douche Twins

            • TXCowgirl

              Yes please!

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m having a hard time typing, ’cause I’m laughing too much.

    • KJP in Portland

      And Veterans Day is tomorrow, what a lightning rod of intelligence! Sci has him so bad, he can’t keep from shooting his feet anymore, no matter what he does. TC=Wingnut.

  • Zana

    I think it’s pretty stupid for them to create that video of car crashes… this is an example of a person’s Will To Win… they get on the track and go fast and crash and kill themselves. Isn’t that cool? Just like OTs…. get going real fast… make it happen… and go bankrupt and lose your friends and families. Other than your life being a wreck… you are …. ?? … would “delusional” be a good word here?

    • ze moo

      Delusional is very good description of that. Lron was famous race car driver on other planets long ago. He died at least twice in car races. How many tires do mercabian cars have?

      • Eclipse-girl

        In reality, Ron liked to glide.

      • Sidney18511

        That’s right ze moo….I forgot about that. I believe he was a race car driver several times in his past lives. Crazy-ass dude. I don’t know how anyone can call him brilliant.

        • Mooser

          I don’t understand how anybody, in the Cherch or indie, can think that L Ron Hubbard has anything to do with it. At this point there is nobody more irrelevant to Scientology than L Ron.

          • Sidney18511

            Why ARE you talkin bout Mooser?

        • Observer

          He was once known as The Gold Bomb, I believe. His other race-driver nicknames were equally thrilling.

  • Tory Christman
    • Tory Christman

      to George.Cretekos
      Dear Sir,
      My name is Tory Christman. I lived in Largo, Florida in 1979 and was very much “in” Scientology then.
      (I woke up in July of 2000, escaped out, flew from LA to Tampa, the Tampa Police helped get me out of the Airport at 1:45 am). This is a brief rundown of what Scientology asked me to do, in 1979.

      If you recall, Richard Tenny was the City Commissioner at the time. He wanted to run for Mayor (Which Scientology was responsible for getting Gabe Cazares out of office, earlier. I was not part of that, however Gary Weber was, and here is his apology he wrote, before taking his own life, after leaving Scientology. http://www.lermanet.com/garyweber/apology.htm

      Scientology basically told me we had to get Richard Tenny out of office, and *I* had to do it. (Back then there were only about 10 Scientology public and they made me a “volunteer” to help out. I went to numerous meetings where RT spoke.

      I talked with many people, trying to get them to see how wrong he was with his program: “Save Sparkling Clearwater, Stamp out Scientology”. Finally we had a party, designed to educated the Clearwater public in what “good’ people we were, and how wrong RT was.

      Shortly after all of the above, RT was voted out of office. Here is a short video about this, what Scientology does covertly
      and things you should be aware of. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz-oqLIpQJs&feature=c4-overview&list=UU__gcXYVQlmVocNLZykibUw

      My very best to you!

      Tory Christman
      Then Tory Bezazian: My married name. Shortly after escaping out of Scientology, I lost
      ALL of my 30 year friends and my husband of 27 years, who remains “in”.

      • Gerard Plourde

        Great letter,Tory. I hope the mayor realizes that deferring to the cult doesn’t guarantee him tenure and that he’d be on safer ground enforcing the city ordinances.

        • Tory Christman

          Thank you, Gerard…let’s hope he watches it and reads Mark Headley’s letter as well as some others! It’s amazing the white-wash $cientology can do, as well as infiltrating his office. If you haven’t read about Gabe Cazares…Google it, it’s amazing what $cientology did to him.

          • Rita Gregory

            I’m hoping for more letters from ex’s sent to the Clearwater Mayor. Strength in numbers.

          • Gerard Plourde

            Thanks to you and Mark Bunker I encountered Gabe’s story when I started learning about the cult around two years ago. Although I used to work around the corner from the Philly Org, my real intro was The Truth Rundown. As a result I sought more information from other sites – XenuTV, your YouTube posts and Operation Clambake have been regular stops for me over the years.

      • OrangySky

        Hey Tory, great video and letter. I hope the Mayor & City Planner take this seriously. I noticed your comment at the end about Google + & YouTube, etc. Is CO$ trying to cyber harass you?

        • Tory Christman

          OrangeSky—Nov 5 YT totally changed for the worse. Cancelled ALL ability to reply to comments UNLESS you are using “Google+” LOTS of peeps unhappy about that, and that’s just one of their new, enforced communications. Argh!

      • Tory Christman

        I got a great letter from the Mayor back…posted on Nov 11th here. :)

    • Sandy

      Tory is priceless.

      • Rita Gregory

        Yes she is.

        • Tory Christman

          *****blush******

      • Tory Christman

        Thank you, Sandy! As are most of you here, too.

    • KJP in Portland

      She’s still ‘The Girl Next Door’!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        She has like fucking ‘cute’ overload…am i right?

        Can I have some of the juice she drinks?

        • KJP in Portland

          I’d like some myself!

          • Tory Christman

            In the mail….:)

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            some koolaid? or some nuts?
            we need clarification dude?

        • Tory Christman

          Burty_The_Nuts….LOL! I love that nick :)

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            i like it TOO…It kinda says a LOT, eh!!!

        • Robert Eckert

          Juice is way better than Kool-Aid!

          • Tory Christman

            Very true…RE..and “truth”, no matter how much of a shock it is, no matter how many people one may lose facing it…the end is WAY better than the delusion BS staying “in”.
            Plus there are FANTASTIC Peeps out of $cientology, which they still keep sekret inside. LOL ….Truefax.

      • Tory Christman

        :) Hey…..what can I say? I try to share all sides of what
        I experienced while “in” and this is just one more showing
        their darker side.

    • Aslansown

      You have the greatest smile! Every time I watch your videos I’m struck by your smile and your enthusiasm! (p.s. We went to the same HS and I didn’t have a great experience either……)

      • Tory Christman

        Really? WOW! Aslansown…that’s amazing. Which one? I went to 3 HS’s: Maine East, Lake Forest HS, and Notre Dame de Sion where I graduated. Which one? Thanks for your kind words :)

        • Aslansown

          Small world, right? LFHS. I grew up in LB so when we had to merge at LFHS I felt a little lost. I was a music geek and so were my friends so at least I fit in somewhere, but I never had the “right” clothes, etc. Couldn’t believe it when I’d see people getting new cars on their 16th birthdays!!!

          • Tory Christman

            A M A Z I N G. I hated LFHS with a passion. A bunch of snotty, exclusive kids from mostly rich parents. My parents had money…but they were big on inclusion where was these snobs were super exclusive. I doubt I would have ended up in the Cult had my parents stayed in Park Ridge (and me at Maine East). I was VERY happy there. Oh Well….c’est la vie. It is what it is…and here was are :) LOL Aslansown! OMG__How funny! Me too! I *never* wore the “right” clothes…so I started hanging out w/ 2 guys and driving their motorcycles. Watch Footloose: THAT IS ME in LF!

            • Aslansown

              Ha ha! Did you hang out by the smoke stack out back?

              “Designer” clothes were unknown back then — “Villager” was the big thing, and I didn’t have any!! My mom would say “you can get a new dress from Sears”!!! Tory, I’m sure you can imagine someone in a Sears dress at LFHS! Sorry you felt so out of place too!

            • Tory Christman

              I have very few memories of LF. One: I drove up to a party, driving my BF’s 650 motorcycle. We hopped off, I was smoking, holding a can of beer. We walked into the party (which was outside) and this son of one of the Mafia, Soli DiMaria, said in his super mafia-like voice: “MISS CHRISTMAN: THE WOMEN OF LakeForest DO NOT DRIVE MOTORCYCLES”. Without looking at him, I pitched my beer on him, and kept walking. Typically, he did nothing. They were wimpy guys riding on their Dad’s bully like, mafia-coat tails. I have a few other wild ones….but not many.

              Oh! And my BF and I decided to move to Africa…which he did and lived there most of the years I was in the cult.

              I *really* did NOT like it there, plus soon my Mom found out just how wild I was and sent me off to Kansas City, Mo. to a girls Catholic Convent/Boarding School. And guess what? Do you think things got better there, or worse? LOL! Truly—ever since we moved to LF, I was like nightmare on Elm street. Oh those forks in the roads…..

            • Tory Christman

              PS: Funny you mentioned clothing too. That was my 1st experience with what Scientology later called “1.1–Covert Hostility”. These girls said s/t like: “Oh Tory—you FINALLY got a new dress” or some such shitty thing. F*** Hags. No one EVER should act or speak that way to others, ever. I remember thinking to myself: “Is this supposed to be a compliment? WHO ARE THESE WITCHES?” I’d always hung around w/ my brothers and their buddies, so I was not used to this creepy, phony communications. My brothers were off to college, so luckily I found my 2 boy pals to hang with. Argh….days happily gone by!

            • Aslansown

              Oh my gosh! I guess I was so insulated with my little nerd group that I never had to hear them say anything like that (but I’m sure some people did — I sort of stuck out like a sore thumb). Between Sears and homemade dresses I was quite a sight! :-(

            • Aslansown

              Oh my gosh — I’m just picturing that party! You WERE wild! The “women of LF”!! I never met any mafia types — at least that I knew of! I can’t picture someone who rides a motorcycle, smokes and pours beer on people having too good of a time in a convent school!

            • Rita Gregory

              That’s why a lot of them were at convent school! :D

            • Aslansown

              Those nuns had to put up with a lot, I guess!!

            • Tory Christman

              Don’t get me started on the nuns!

            • Aslansown

              Ha ha! I grew up protestant so I’d never even talked to a nun until I was in college or so. I was fascinated with them back when they wore the whole black habit and white head gear (I hope I’m not offending anyone — I don’t know the name for it.)

            • Missionary Kid

              Don’t make fun of the penguins!

            • Tory Christman

              They were called “Habits” and I think we all were kind of fascinated by them.
              I always wondered: “Do they have HAIR underneath?” I was, of course, a known wild
              girl there, too. So one night there was a tap on my door. I opened it and there was a nun in regular clothing! I asked, “What happened?” She…glowing….”I’ve experienced a man”. I congratulated her!!

            • Missionary Kid

              Dumb joke: Dating a nun is O.K., as long as you don’t get into the habit.

            • Rita Gregory

              Love how she came to YOUR room. LOL!

            • Tory Christman

              Me too, Rita :) She knew who would “get it” …and I did.

            • Tory Christman

              You got it, Rita. And oh what a mistake That was!!

            • grundoon

              love that story

            • Tory Christman

              Thanks, grundoon…it’s one of my favs of that horrible time there.

            • aquaclara

              You were the perfect one…they were the ones who were “off” – there is NO better smile, cheer, support or helping hand than yours.

              And who the hell cares what people were wearing. Ok, easier to say this now-I grew up in a neighborhood of beauty queens and cheerleaders, while I had braces and glasses.

              You’re the best, Tory! We love you!

            • Tory Christman

              Thank you, aquaclara! Although all 3 of we kids were good looking, my Mom made a point of having parties and telling us; “Of course you’re popular! You are from a great home, Dad a celebrity, lots of money, you look good. So your job it to find the kids who are NOT dancing, teach them how to dance and bring them in with the other kids”. It was one of THE greatest lessons of my life. I love you and all here, too!! And think of how cool braces and glasses are now! It’s a whole new world…and you helped get it that way. :)

            • Rita Gregory

              You had a great mom Tory.

            • Tory Christman

              She was *amazing* as a young girl. Then, sadly, my Dad died after we moved to LF, also. She married an awful man and began drinking…and we lost her, really. But I always say…she built THE greatest foundation..and that’s what I remember, and keep in my heart.

            • Rita Gregory

              Awww. I’m sorry Tory. But as you say she built a great foundation. :)

          • Eclipse-girl

            ((HUGS))) to a friend who didn’t quite fit in.

            • Tory Christman

              {{{{{{{{{{Hugs}}}}}}}}}}} Well, ya fit in here, girl :)

            • Eclipse-girl

              YOU, being Tory Magoo, bring tears to my eyes.

              You do not know the admiration I have for you

            • Tory Christman

              Awwwwwwwww Eclipse-girl :) Ditto!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I feel like a stalker who has connected with the object of their obsession and feel like peeing in my pants.

              I have admired your vids. I enjoy your humor, your goofiness.

              You have worked so hard to help educate others.

              Ty for being who you are and helping others.

            • Tory Christman

              Thank you, Ecipse-girl (but no peeing in the Bunker! LOL) You are most welcome, thank you, too!

            • Aslansown

              Hee hee! Thanks!

            • Aslansown

              Thanks E-g!

        • Gerard Plourde

          My daughter’s godmother teaches at Maine East. It’s been a few years since we’ve been out to Chicagoland to see her. Hoping to get there this summer.

          • Tory Christman

            Fun, Gerard! Please tell her I miss it..I loved Maine East. It was the other 2 that I hated.

            • Gerard Plourde

              Will do. Thanks.

    • Tory Christman

      Thanks to you all here….a special thanks to any and ALL Veterans, as well as ALL of their families,
      esp the ones who lost their children. :( Blessings and peace. And last but not least, thank you Tony O for keeping the Bunker rollin’ :)

  • TXCowgirl

    While re-watching Speed, the Silicon Valley Ideal Org video, I noticed some subliminal Cruize references. The word speed echos back to TC’s Top Gun line, “I feel the need for speed!” The racing cars remind me of Days of Thunder. Lastly, during the bit when the two drivers are in their cars at the starting line and looking at each other, well, for whatever reason made me think of that photo where the terrible twins are posing together with their matching Ducatis. I’m really pushing the envelope here, but the shot of the rain bouncing off of the asphalt harkens back to Rainman. Positive reinforcement for the minions?

    Have I gone off the deep end, or did any of you notice the same? It’s ok if you think I’m seeing things that just aren’t there. I can roll with it.

    • Rita Gregory

      Days of thunder was what I thought of with the race cars.

    • aegerprimo

      The cars that crashed reminded me (subliminally) of OTs becoming bankrupt and dying of cancer.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for Nov. 11:
     
    Tony: US rank #8,950 – up 87 from yesterday.
    Scientology: US rank #45,564 – down 919 from yesterday.
     
    New lowest ranking since Oct. 14 for Scientology (total loss of rankings = 13,751)
     
    Image coming after 06:00 CET, since I’m working the graveyard shift this week :-)
     

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      *refresh for image*

  • nottrue

    TC tomorrow is Veterans Day.Any thing to say like sorry for the dumb ass remark

    • Rita Gregory

      Impeccable timing there TC.

      • Robert Eckert

        It was two months ago when the deposition happened. It is very unfortunate for Tom that it is coming out right now.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      !!!!!!!
      bingo

    • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

      Did he really say that his job was as hard as a soldier’s?

      • Rita Gregory

        Scroll down I’ve posted an excerpt from the deposition.

      • nottrue

        no i made it upWTF

        • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

          Phew! That’s a relief. I can still be a fan of TC.

          • nottrue

            ha ha ha real funny

          • aquaclara

            Stop that or I will bop you. :)

            • nottrue

              no stop him he can say what ever he wants

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Whatever I want huh? *refresh for pic*

            • nottrue

              OH YOU GOT ME BIG IM DOWN OH HELP ME. BIG D GOT ME BIG TIME DONT LET ME BLOCK YOU BIG BOY FLY BABY FLY

            • nottrue

              i LIKE YOU DEREK AND YOU CAN HATE ME IF YOU WHAT.NO HARD FEELINGS

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Why would I hate you? Where did that come from? lol you’re funny sometimes.

            • nottrue

              Derek you have an important role to play on this blog. Do your thing.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Thanks. I just persist. I know not everyone agrees with me. Everyone thinks they know best. I just try to get them to understand what it’s like being a 2nd gen. There aren’t (m)any of us.

            • nottrue

              Your doing great.You got the out of LA.You did it on your own.Thats the best way.

            • nottrue

              i come from nowhere and i not care if im funny

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              well i don’t hate you! I don’t hate anyone on here. Even those I disagree with.

            • nottrue

              Disagree with them . Hell disagree with me.But ive learned alot from you and you have got to give here.Keep giving it

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Thanks man. Lots of people have e-mailed me with the same sentiment. I really appreciate it. I only hope my words eventually have an impact on potential recruits for the cult. The more we stop from getting in, the better.

            • nottrue

              Your out.Your free.You are so smart.I see that you came a long way.if you were not derailed by scientology you would have a Masters by now

            • nottrue

              Derek when you said you bought your own car i remmber giving someone a car to help them out and they destroyed the car but when they had to buy the car themselfs they baby that car.You got everything on your own not givin to you and that made you so strong.You did on your owm

          • Rita Gregory

            Gee, I’m not sure I can be friends with you anymore, Derek…. ;)

          • nottrue

            your a hero and so funny HAHAHA

          • Cat Daddy

            you just want to get into his panties

        • Gerard Plourde

          I think Derek was reacting to the unbelievable stupidity and arrogance of TC’s remark not doubting your statement.

    • Eclipse-girl

      My dad and many other fathers and uncles and brother were in earlier wars.

      Nov 11 is / was remembrance day for the 11h month, the 11th day, the 11 hour, the 11th minute.

      It is for all veterans.

      • Peter

        The date and time originated at the Armistice signing ending WW1.d

        • Eclipse-girl

          DING DING DING. TY for knowing that. My granddad fought in WW I.

          Veterans Day is a day where we honor the veterans living and dead

          • Peter

            Yes, it used to be called Armistice Day. But too many wars since WWI made the pols clump them all together. I made the comment primarily for the youngsters on the Bunker who were never taught these things in their education process. And so MUCH has been buried and forgotten.

            • Eclipse-girl

              It bugged me today when I realized it has not even been 100 yrs and the US is not honoring it in the way it should, IMHO.

              WW I was won of the worst wars. It was ugly. So many people died. France was devastated due to the damage. Chemical warfare. Aerial warfare.

            • Peter

              It was pretty bad. I had a good friend who died about 12 years ago who had been a Brit officer at the Battle of the Somme. Utterly horrendous. Very interesting how the pols love to have their wars and each US pres seems to want one of his own. Why not? It’s not *their* asses being wasted over there.

              And along with the war itself, the drain on world food and supplies was so bad that when the flu hit in 1918, people were so physically impoverished healthwise, over 20 million more died of the flu.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I knew that the flu epidemic hit during the war.

              My Grandmother was pregnant with her oldest son, he would have been my uncle of is survived childhood (died in 1926 — auto accident)

              I actually think the isolation of rural communities helped minimize that death toll.

              Good night, and thank you for remembering.

              I am sorry for the loss of your friend.

            • Peter

              He was one of the wisest men I knew. I was fortunate to know him. I was present at both hhis 99th and 100th birthdays. He had the most uncanny memory I’ve ever run across, could recall everything in his life, in exquisite detail, from the time he was 3 years old. Quite an amazing guy.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hmmm. I think some other people may wake up screaming from Tom Cruise’s “acting.”

      • nottrue

        HAhaHA REAL FUNNY

      • nottrue

        sorry to be mean. I can be an asshole some of times but most of the time

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I didn’t find anything you said mean…

    • Aslansown

      One of the worst things about Viet Nam was that the returning soldiers weren’t welcomed and thanked for their service — they were yelled at and vilified. So sad.

      • nottrue

        well i sure the hell welcome them.

        • Aslansown

          Me too. I get very emotional when I thank them.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I was a dumb kind and didn’t know. I know now and try to make up for being a dumb kid

      • Rita Gregory

        Man, those guys STILL hate Jane Fonda. Tom is toast.

    • aquaclara

      Thank you for saying this. It has to be said. Because we remember.

      We remember.

      • nottrue

        I would visit my friend in the mental ward at theVA hospital. Yeah TOM IT WAS JUST LIKE ACTING

        • aquaclara

          I’m sorry. You were a very good friend, though. It’s not easy to deal with this stuff, but sharing the reality of that crap is valuable. These are sons and fathers, brothers and uncles, and for thee women, sisters and daughters, too.

          We must not forget.

  • Aslansown

    I often work with vets who come back with horrific physical and mental wounds. Especially thinking about
    TC’s remarks on the eve of Veterans Day, I just wanted to put this picture up. It’s from my friend’s FB page, and he took the photo in Iraq. The guys were in his unit. Now compare anything about that experience with anything Tom has EVER experienced in his life. (refresh)

    • Eclipse-girl

      TY.

    • Ruby

      Amen.

      • Aslansown

        I’m in an aspect of mental health trainings so one of the things we train people on is PTSD. In doing the trainings we’ve run into vets who are still suffering and want to talk about it. It was kind of cool — when training a police department 8 times the training officer who had been there every day (the guy who took that picture and had done 3 tours of Iraq) at first said he didn’t have any PTSD, but after the last training, he told us that he thought maybe he should go talk to a counselor after hearing us talk about it. He’s become a good friend and I was so happy to hear that.

        • GlibWog

          Lion.. awww honey I worked with Homeless and Mentally ill Veterans.

          I am happy to hear it too.. I got your back honey. It is truly a purpose driven life and you will do fantastic. xo

          • Aslansown

            Thanks Glibby! Sounds like you worked more directly with vets — and I know you changed lives.

            Can’t wait to meet you IRL where we can sit back, cross our legs, sip on brandy and smoke e-cigs and chat…. HA! Not really! I was just channeling that kid you waited on years ago! I don’t smoke and I prefer Diet Coke ….We’ll have to do something else, but it’ll be fun! ;-)

            • GlibWog

              Thank you Lion.. Sweet of yo to say…Diet coke it is darling… I’m addicted..

    • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

      But what about that one time that he had to fly COMMERCIAL!! He didn’t even get a private jet!! And it was from Dubai!!

      • Rita Gregory

        They didn’t even have bee pollen on the flight!

    • aquaclara

      Oh my. May God bless Corporal Palmer, Lance Cororals Zapp and Lam, and Staff Sargeant Ries and your families. Words are insufficient to express my thanks for your last full measure of devotion to freedom.

      May your spirits rest in peace forever.

    • Kitz

      Hail to the fallen, to those who have, and still serve. I lost my cousin a month ago in Afghanistan.

      • Aslansown

        Kitz, I’m so sorry for your loss. Many time people don’t remember the families of those who have made the ultimate sacrifice. I hope you and your family can find some comfort and healing.

        • Kitz

          Thank you. It’s been tough on the youngers who went to school, and were good friends, with him. Most seem to be doing well (metric shit ton of cousins in my family) but his laughter and sense of humor is definitely missed.

          • Aslansown

            Yeah — it’s the fun and laughs that are missed the most. I send my very best wishes to you all.

  • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Well I just saw an article from AP about a new string of atheist mega churches starting up. I signed up to start one here in in Austin. Hopefully it picks up. I would love to be part of something like that.

    Not sure how many atheists are here, but here’s the website. http://sundayassembly.com/

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      LOL., Mr Nuts was just telling me about it. …..I told him. …for fucks sake…I became an atheist so people would leave me the fuck alone on sundays!!!

      • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

        Hey it sounds like fun! lol Plus i need to meet people in Austin to hang out with.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Lol, touche’.
          Enjoy….as long as no one interferes with my Sunday nap!

          • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

            If I have my way naps will be a ritual!

            • Sherbet

              A full sacrament! A holy nap! I think you’re onto something, D.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Oh yes. The psalm we are signing today is ZZ:ZZz – The words: Hush little baby don’t say a word. Mamma’s gonna buy you a mocking bird, etc.

            • Sherbet

              Amen!

            • Eclipse-girl

              You know I learned that to sing that to my child. I had two lullabies to sing to her.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              That made me remember my mom singing amazing grace and that lullaby to me. Now I am all teary eyed. :*(

            • Rita Gregory

              ((((Hugs))).

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              tku

            • GlibWog

              I give into tears when I have my twin days.. and missing her.. I call them ” Molly Days. ”

              ( Not her real name.. ) but holding emotions in will just make you sick ( You know what I mean..) Plus releasing tears feels so good. Cleanses the soul.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              It’s unfortunate because I feel like my mom is dead, even though she’s alive and well. I struggle to keep myself from e-mailing her all the time.

            • Robert Eckert

              Good night, ye moonlit ladies, rock-a-bye sweet baby James– deep greens and blues are the colors I choose, won’t you lead me on down in my dreams? Oh rock-a-bye sweet baby James…

        • Jo

          Be careful, report back with all the details.

        • aquaclara

          Good for you!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Derek, what don YOU think of cosmic unity and oneness?
          Don’t answer me here……..go to facebook.
          just wondering.
          Science over Scientology…………FOREVUH!!!

        • Eclipse-girl

          Do you play pool? Do you like Film? are you a foodie? please find something that you can form a friendship with?

        • Sherbet

          It sounds interesting and philosophically challenging. Fun? Not so much.

        • MaxSpaceman

          I have a friend there who is in the Austin LGBT scene. Terrific person. If you want contact I’ll e-mail you her contact info. She works in the mental health field.

          • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

            You are a delightful person. Yes please dmanunderground@gmail.com Would love to connect with her on facebook or something!

            • MaxSpaceman

              She’s a grand gal. I’ll let her know. She loves her some FB. So you guys could connect right on FB. Will handle within 24 hours.

            • MaxSpaceman

              And… who would believe, the dear person is a 49ers fan !!!
              You can’t make that stuff up!
              24 hrs to help establish the connection. She will know an multitude of places to go, things to do, peeps to hang out with, causes to get involved with. You can’t meet better peeps than she.

      • Sherbet

        Exactly! Why drag out of bed on a weekend morning if you have no fear of God smiting you if you don’t? I agree, Bury.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          YOU, have been too …er…missing…lately.

          • Sherbet

            Have I?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              i thought so…but what do I know……….? ;-)

            • Sherbet

              I’ve been watching and trying to limit my posts to those with some value. I still go for the J&D too often, I think. And when there are heated discussions going on, I go elsewhere. I grew up in a loud ethnic family, and I don’t enjoy “hearing” hollering in the Bunker. :-)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              i think you are being influenced by the “Quality” Police.
              who can…er…Kiss My Fat Ass…
              Sorry…MY PC button is broken :)

            • Rita Gregory

              Right! The day Tony says to cut it out is the only time I’m going to stop. Maybe….

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Xactly!!!!

            • Rita Gregory

              It makes me feel like the hall monitor is on duty. Who the hell do they think they are?

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              I know I talk a lot of shit. I am an opinionated fucker too. But that’s what discussion forums are for! Scientology is a particularly emotional subject for me too. So don’t expect me to be all PC about it. Fuck that shit.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              It upsets me more when I see people who talk about their beliefs with a distinct lack of conviction. I got offended the other day because of what someone said about a Sea Org kid. I was extremely offended. I had more than one person, including the one who offended me trying to tell ME that I was wrong for being offended.

              I had an “excuse me” moment! I’m sorry you’re the one spouting BS without thinking about the implications first. You can’t just tell me to NOT be offended!

            • GlibWog

              Never.. Ever Ever Tell Me to NOT feel what I feel… ( I’m talking general Derek..)

              You of all people.. You were told what to do for how long? And Now.. ? Yeah..that will happen.

            • Rita Gregory

              Had a husband who used to try and pull that shit. DID NOT WORK. I will have my feelings and feel anything I want.

            • GlibWog

              Oh yeah.. Ha.. My mom.. ” YOU SHOULDN’T FEEL THAT WAY!” ha..

      • TXCowgirl

        Isn’t “atheist church” an oxymoron?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Nope……….belief system

          No more so than Scientology.

          • TXCowgirl

            Ok. I get it. Just asking. I should have look up the definition of church.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Actually…due to my own..word clearing…I have mostly considered the “cherch” a religion.
              Due to the fact that “I” consider it a belief system…which “I” define as a “religion”.
              I know that is up for grabs…I like, Tony…consider it semantics.
              it does not change the FACTS of what THEY are, and DO.

            • kemist

              It’s too complex and involves too many aspects of its member’s lives to be a simple ponzi scheme or self-help.

              I don’t get what people mean to accomplish by denying that scientology is a religion, or why it angers them so much. That it shares the word religion with beliefs like christianity or islam does not mean more than the fact that, want it or not, we share the same species with this guy, and attempts at designating them as other things to reassure ourselves do not solve anything.

        • Missionary Kid

          Not really. It’s a place for people to commune together. What else are you going to call it?

          • Robert Eckert

            A “community center”. A “club”. A “meetup”. Anything else.

            • Missionary Kid

              I looked it up, and it refers to Christian houses of worship. However, my experience is with Unitarian-Universalist Churches, where there are people who believe in god and Jesus, as well as atheists, so that’s my bias.

              They at least have services, when the $cientologists really don’t.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Not calling you out, but I am confused. I thought you had said that your family are fundamentalist Christians and take the Bible very literally.

            • Missionary Kid

              No problem. I was raised that way, and my missionary parents were fundamentalist Christians. I no longer am.

              I think I was in my late twenties when I started to call myself an agnostic and attended a U-U church, which I did for a number of years. I’m now 68. About 5 years ago, I decided that my views were at the point that I was really an atheist.

              I’ve met some fantastic atheists at U-U churches, as well as deists and humanists.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Okay, I thought maybe there was a long gap there, because these “U-U” churches are far from fundamentalist, haha.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yes they are far from fundamentalist. I still stay in touch with fundamentalism because I have relatives and friends who are there.

              I don’t try to convert them, unless they try to do the same to me, but I’m always interested in their thought processes

        • Eclipse-girl

          Us atheists enjoy fellowship just like other people do. We do good works and care about our community.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I still “Believe” the most moral people are atheists.
            Just sayin

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Agree. I think that we (humans) all inherently understand justice, while morality is relative to our situation and others around us. Instead of doing what we think a deity we have never met might want us to do.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m an atheist, and I don’t think they have any more of a corner on morality than followers of deities.

              I can cite examples of morality and immorality from atheists and believers in deities.
              Joe Stalin and Mao would be two evil people, but there has also been a lot of evil done in the name of deities, too.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              I think doing good things for the sake of doing them, rather than in the name of impressing a deity so that your life after death will be better is arguably more moral. But then again there are plenty of theists that might do good for the sake of it.

            • Rita Gregory

              I don’t think a “real” deity is impressed by things done just to impress them. I think there are lots of atheist and lots of theist who do the right thing, because it’s the right thing.

            • Missionary Kid

              I had been taught that atheists were without morals because they didn’t believe in god. When I spent and afternoon talking to a woman who had been raised an atheist, and I found that both her morals and the way she lived her life were far better than most of the Christians I knew, and that included a fair number of clergy, it was one of the markers that started me on the path to where I am now.

              She was good because it was the right thing to do.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              That’s exactly my point. Morality is, and always has been relative. Religious morals don’t change with the times. Morals based on sociology do.

        • Captain Howdy

          Atheism isn’t a belief or a religion like the deists claim. Atheism is a lack of belief in the supernatural based on the fact there is no scientific evidence of such.

          Saying atheism is a belief is like saying that NOT collecting stamps is a hobby.

          • kemist

            Or bald is a hair color.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      No offense intended, but the idea of spending Sunday mornings with a crowd of atheists… is… well… not the most pleasant to me. I tend to prefer my atheist friends in small doses. In crowds they are worse than dealing with Fundies…!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        We Atheists prefer to take our Christian’s in very small doses too.

        ;)

        • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

          Ohhhh you naughty woman! You took the words right out of my mouth. :)

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Now I will humm Meat loaf all night…………whack!!!!

      • Sherbet

        Spending Sunday mornings with a crowd of ANYTHING that doesn’t involve pillows and warm blankets isn’t tops on my hit parade.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          THAT IS A BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Sherbet

            See? We all have our sacred rituals.

        • Missionary Kid

          Call me an innerspring Methodist.

      • Missionary Kid

        Go to a Unitarian Church. There’s a lot of atheists there. They’re humanists.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Mrs. Douglas just said the same thing to me…

      • MaxSpaceman

        The Sunday Assembly is a godless congregation that celebrate life. Our motto: live better, help often, wonder more. Our mission: to help everyone find and fulfill their full potential. Our vision: a godless congregation in every town, city and village that wants one.

      • Captain Howdy

        I’d rather spend Sunday morning with some animals than either one.

    • Eclipse-girl

      You know MEGA churches are thing that scare more atheists. I really do like you so I am hoping you meant this as satire.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Um, no….

      • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

        Idk. There’s not one here in Austin yet.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Really??? They are in the midwest.

    • kemist

      Are you kidding ?

      One of the best part of being an atheist is that you don’t have to waste a chunk of your sunday on useless nonsense.

      As a former catholic, one thing I definitely do not miss from religion is church. Have you ever been to mass ? It’s one of the single most boring experience I’ve ever had, and I’ve been through french grammar classes. I only went because my mom dragged me. How I wish iPods existed then.

      The only thing that might get me up on a fine sunday morning to go sit in a church is if it was hosting a LAN party. With home baked chocolate chip cookies.

    • MaxSpaceman

      A snippet from the Website:

      “The Sunday Assembly is a godless congregation that celebrate life. Our motto: live better, help often, wonder more. Our mission: to help everyone find and fulfill their full potential. Our vision: a godless congregation in every town, city and village that wants one.”

  • Deeana

    It is not “just the tabloids and gossip sites” running the statement by TC that his “brutal” acting job compares to serving in Afghanistan. Mainstream media is now all over it also.
    Why? Because it is an INSULT to every man and woman in uniform serving our country.
    If you don’t believe TC said this or think he is being misquoted or quoted out of context, READ the Deposition for yourself!
    Is it so hard to believe that people don’t like this kind of garbage coming from the mouth of this “entitled” millionaire idiot actor? And by the way, how many Oscars grace the mantle of Tom Cruise?
    What? None you say?

    • KJP in Portland

      Did he win any academies either?

      • Missionary Kid

        Huh?

      • TXCowgirl

        Oscars = Academy Awards. One in the same.

        • MaxSpaceman

          I always thought the expression was one ‘and’ the same, Texas CG. (just for the record …)

          • TXCowgirl

            I sit corrected.

            • MaxSpaceman

              me3 !!

        • KJP in Portland

          Derp! Good…he never won one for his out of this world acting!

  • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

    No intro necessary *refresh*

    • Eclipse-girl

      TY. I want to be the bratty child who gets the center one.

      Enjoy.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Now THAT’S cruel!

      • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

        Oh yes. And they are JUST as delicious as they look! I’m debating bringing some to work tomorrow to go with my dunkin donuts keurig coffee. I’m spoiled at work. On the plus side when I have no food at home sometimes, there’s always food at the office for me LOL

        • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

          Whatttt who can downvote cimanen rolls wtfffff

          • KJP in Portland

            Wasn’t me!

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Probably someone with warm icing all over their fingers.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            nO SHIT………….I don’t really even like sweets………BUT WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • IASREG

            Sea Orger on beans and rice saw those and got angry, real angry and hungry.

            • KJP in Portland

              Same thought as I had

            • IASREG

              SINamon rolls are entheta.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              They are decadent. I imagine this is what it tastes like to audit away a body thetan.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Oh you two, we are all on the same page. I was thinking the same thing! LOL I almost included it in my post.

        • aquaclara

          Omg, you have nailed it, Derek! Waving sticky buns in front of everyone, that unbelievably yummy cinnamony smell wafting in the air. Come, Sea Orgers…..taste the yummy sticky buns! Come out, and taste for yourself!

          • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

            You’re a genius. We should close off all the streets around clearwater and have chili cook-offs and bake sales and all kinds of delicious food. There is no faster way to anyone’s heart than food!

            • KJP in Portland

              You’d get a stampede of Sea Orgers wanting to spend their week’s pay on a bowl of chili!

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              We could say “all Sea Org Memebers get free food!” And then put anti-Scn slogans on the bottom of the bowls!

            • EnthralledObserver

              Everyone gets food free… they’ll think it’s a trap otherwise – I wager they are all paranoid like their former and current leaders?

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              No! We’ll say “we know you volunteer your lives in service to the world. So here have some goodies for free!” lmao

            • EnthralledObserver

              lol… will you say that while you are laughing… or hand the food over and then laugh?

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              We could also use the slogan, “Food made with the love of a million mothers. Something you probably miss dearly, cuz I certainly do :(“

            • EnthralledObserver

              Mum’s cooking… enough to get anyone teary…

            • Cat Daddy

              There was a sea org woman who was suffering cancer and went untreated. She was doing conditions ? They didn’t trust her and tought she was faking it. She was maybe too old to go anywhere than do the daily manual work she was asigned too. When offered a piece of pizza by a protester she took it , smiled and thanked and ate it, was given the evil eye by some young sea ogers

            • aquaclara

              YES! And sticky buns and grilled cheese and BACON! It is hard to resist bacon. Cupcakes! Popcorn! What else shall we serve?

              This would work!

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Cornbread! Fried chicken! Fresh fruits!

            • aquaclara

              Oh, yes! We could SO do this. (Keep May open). And free tp as a party favor.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              We need some clearwater natives to scope out frequently traveled thoroughfares.

            • aquaclara

              South Fort Harrison, Osceola, Coachman Park. Garden Ave might be open by then..it is closed now because of the tent. BLOCK PARTY!

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Okay, let’s start a discussion on this. How should we do it?

            • aquaclara

              We plan ahead. Next May, when everyone’s in town, perhaps?

          • Casabeca

            That will conquer bullbaiting any day!

        • Aslansown

          If it were me, there’s no way those things wouldn’t have already been eaten before you could even take the picture, much less have any left over for tomorrow!

          • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

            Oh i am trying. I already had three. I want another one. They are small ones. Not the big ones from the bakery. Almost bite size.

      • KJP in Portland

        Good day to pull that one on me anyway. My stomach is all whacked up and I just started the antibiotics again today…I slept for 30 hrs. straight. I couldn’t keep my damned eyes open, or I would have been here yesterday.

        • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

          Hehe sorry. Now you have something to look forward to when you’re better.

          • KJP in Portland

            Cinnamon rolls always score BIG with me!

    • Jo

      What is it? Can see cheese and bun’s. Now I’m hungry.

      • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

        Cimanen rolls!

        • SandiCorrena

          I swear I can smell their yumminess!

          • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

            Oh my gosh my apartment smells incredible right now. I wish I could upload the smell here.

            • Rita Gregory

              You are so mean! I’m drooling on my keyboard.

            • Jo

              My stomach just started rumbling. It’s 3.30am here, now I got to get up and toast stuff. Dam you Derek and your cheesy cimanen buns, will have my revenge, wait till you see my Irish potatoe bread, fried egg and crispy bacon.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Omg that sounds delicious.

            • Eclipse-girl

              you are inviting us , aren’t you???

            • Jo

              Off to bed again, night folks sweet dreams.

        • Jo

          Must eat now, think I got the ingredients for a cheese toasty.

          • jeff

            What is a cheese toasty? Is that what we Americans call a grilled cheese sandwich?

            • Jo

              Yes.

            • jeff

              Thank you. This enturbulated me when I was reading John Duignan’s book. He kept saying his Aunt made him cheese toasties and I’m like, WHAT?

            • EnthralledObserver

              Well, here where I am we either simply call it melted cheese on toast… or if you are getting fancy and putting them into a toasted sandwich maker – it’s called a ‘Breville’ or ‘Jaffle’ (after the sandwich maker machines)… Aussies are quite direct and boring…

            • jeff

              Maybe, but they sure love to shorten stuff. I remember being there and watching an anchorman on the news (or as you say newsreader) say “Chriissie prezzies” for Christmas presents. My first thought was “What are you, like three years old?”

            • EnthralledObserver

              Lazy… :( But in a good way. :)

            • KJP in Portland

              Navy guys didn’t think Aussie girls were boring at all…

            • EnthralledObserver

              Is that right…? :)

            • KJP in Portland

              We got to go to Perth in ’82. The girls loved us. I heard a lot of tales about their men treating them like shit. They thought American guys were cool.

            • EnthralledObserver

              It’s an accent thing, I think… instant attraction ;). My particular poison is the British accent… but anything is better than ‘normal’. Plus, it’s largely true – Aussie guys are a bit selfish and bastardy – but to be fair there are exceptions… just not that I have personal experience with :p .

            • EnthralledObserver

              1982… was just in grade 2 back then… a baby. You must have been about 20ish – still a baby haha?

            • tetloj

              Ya know KJP my dad took my brother and I on board the Kitty Hawk when she was in Fremantle (City of Perth – Port of Fremantle: Freo people get pissed off if you call the port ‘Perth’). It was about that time (give or take a year). I still remember being spun out how many people lived on board – more than the population of the town we were living in at the time.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              You mean a toaster oven? Or do you have contraptions specifically meant for toasting sandwiches? We also have griddles here. Refresh for images.

            • EnthralledObserver

              We have both of those, but the top one is the one I meant in this case – though they come way more slimline than that one pictured.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              I like the ones that seal your sandwiches on the edges. Like the waffle irons, but without the squares. If you ever want a quick breakfast, cream cheese and jelly in bread on one of those makes for a great one.

            • Missionary Kid

              Nothing like low-cal stuff, Huh? Lol. ;-))))

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Light cream cheese! LOL. Hey if you just have one for breakfast, it’s a good morning meal

            • EnthralledObserver

              Next you’ll be advocating ‘diet’ coke… nothing like a bit of chemical to ingest. Sugar may not be the best, but at least it’s food. If you are going to do it… do it proper. Just in moderation, of course…

            • EnthralledObserver

              Oh, yeah… they are the old school ones. Jaffle-maker.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              My favorite. Also make for a killer ham n cheese.

            • Rita Gregory

              Panini maker?

            • Casabeca

              The Aussie food I want to learn to make is a fruit pavlova. Had a lemon one with toasted pistachios is San Francisco….oh so good!

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              There is this gourmet food truck that drives around LA. They make grilled cheese. But instead of cheese it’s macaroni and cheese and pulled pork in the middle of the pieces of bread.

            • Rita Gregory

              I think my resolution to lose weight just left…. Yep it’s gone. :)

            • EnthralledObserver

              Who is this Will Power fellow they keep talking about?

            • jeff

              He is one of the Super Powers.

            • EnthralledObserver

              And, ironically, a race car driver from Australia.

            • Rita Gregory

              I knew him about 10 years ago. Then he blew.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              Ahem…um… that last part does tend to happen when I lose my will power…

            • Rita Gregory

              :D

            • KJP in Portland

              I was a friend of Will P.

            • Jo

              Got my cheese toasty on now, so hungry after seeing that photo. I’m still up for an international come dine with me photo competition in a few days?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      The best strategy for attacking the cinnamon bun is to follow the spiral inwards with each bite. The center is the ultimate target, it’s where you want to be. But victory can only be achieved by disabling its outer defensive walls.

      • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

        You win the internet for today

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Unless I get one of those cinnibuns, it seems like a meaningless win :(

          • GlibWog

            hahhahahahhaah It’s like a Scilitooney award.. Uhmmm You Jimmy are now the

            Humaniterrrrrum of the Bunker.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’d be honored and all, but if that means I have to be in a goofy ad on Sunday Funnies.. an amazon gift card or something would be a great alternative.

            • GlibWog

              Yeah and then there is that! ha.. Jeeze ya askin for the moon Mr. Greedy.. hahaha

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I was kidding about how they cut a huge check for some “status” only to have their congratulatory ads/fliers mocked here. After taking these poor suckers for their money, the least they should do is skip the ridiculous ads and give them a gift card, or at a least a coupon for a chain restaurant. Applebee’s really isn’t all that bad, especially with $20 off an order of $50 or more.

            • GlibWog

              Oh .. Got it.. I thought you meant you would pass on the award but take the gift card..ha..

              Ignore me..I’m so tirrrrrrrred but catching up…yawwwwwwwwwwwwn

            • Robert Eckert

              Reminds me of a Martin Mull ad for a hotel chain, comparing their rooms to a pricier chain which costs $65 more a night, but they give you a mint on your pillow. It’s a really tasty mint too– not worth $65, but really tasty.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              That would have to be one incredible mint. When you said that, I immediately thought of the chocolate mints at Olive Garden and got lost down a youtube hole.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Robert, will you look at the Disqus typing thing for a sec and tell me if it shows up

      • GlibWog

        OMG yes.. and lick the frosting on the pan..duh

      • SandiCorrena

        and THAT is cinnamon bun tech at it’s finest!

      • Tory Christman

        Too funny! So true :) Part of my strategy for losing 100 pds was NEVER eat *a* Doughnut again, nor a cinnamon bun. It worked ..too :)

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I don’t really even have a sweet tooth, most of the time. Not a huge fan of doughnuts. I rarely eat cakes or cookies. Cinnamon buns are somehow an exception, I will never pass one up.

          • Tory Christman

            Thanks, Jimmy! Truly…I’m a totally different person. For thin peeps who can’t even imagine that…100 pds is 10 10 pd bags of potatoes, or 10 10pd bowling balls. Try that one…super awful….and super great to literally have shed almost another person. :)

        • MaxSpaceman

          Are you saying, Tory C, that you lost 100 lbs?!?

          • KJP in Portland

            You’d never even know it. She’s done sooo well! Looks like a million bucks!

            • MaxSpaceman

              Like 10 million bucks !!!
              (Taking off big weight is *so* difficult.)

            • Tory Christman

              Weight Watchers works. I’d been on EVER Diet in the world and at 53 realized: “I don’t know how to eat!” So I joined, and did it :)

            • MaxSpaceman

              I did a modified ‘Atikins’ – removed all starches from diet. Removed all sugar and most salt. No grain. Ate meat/fish/poultry, all vegetables, all salad greens, cheese and eggs. Weight just poured off. Congrats!! I know how difficult it is to take off 60 lbs. But 100- that’s fantastic.!! You look ab-fab!

            • Tory Christman

              Thanks, MaxSpaceman! I’ve tried and followed Atkins for years and here is my conclusion: It works quite well with men. Women *always* end up going back to Carbs…..so WW’s is better for us. :) Congrats on losing 60 pds!!

            • Tory Christman

              Thanks, MaxS :) :)

            • Tory Christman

              Thank you KJP :)

          • Rita Gregory

            Yes she has. She’s talked about it on her youtube.

            • MaxSpaceman

              OMG! I’ve seen lots of MagooMovies. But not about weight loss. That’s great!!

            • Tory Christman

              True…Rita…I have. Sounds like it’s time for a new one :)

          • MaxSpaceman

            Fantastic, Tory C !!
            That is a super achievement. For your health. Plus, you look terrific, too! Congratulations !!

            • Tory Christman

              Thank you, MaxSpaceman :)

          • Tory Christman

            Yup! Gained it while “in” $cientology….50 of it on OT 7. Then I joined Weight Watchers and lost 100 pds and have kept it off for 3 years now :) Great program…NO thanks to $cientology!

  • KJP in Portland

    That was weird. Bunker went down for 5 minutes

    • EnthralledObserver

      Yeah… left me nowhere to go.. so I popped over the Mike’s and read about how they are brainwashing at the Dror Centre the ‘standard way’… :p

      • KJP in Portland

        I actually had brief thoughts that the Sciloons got away with disrupting the Bunker. I would’ve shit!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          HAHAHAHAHAHA. rolls on back….hahahahaha…please rub tummy…….hahhhahahahaha

        • Rita Gregory

          Here you go!

        • Rita Gregory

          Someone here got me with this one day when I thought Mike Rinder’s site might be under a DNS attack!

  • MaxSpaceman

    “Scientology KNOWS that they are always right and are never to be
    questioned. They know that they are better than everyone else and even
    smarter and better quality people.” — Marc Headley

    That’s is the ‘stand’ of C o $, that the opposing forces to The Cult of $cientology are up against.

    • Missionary Kid

      Did you read Bury the Nuts’ story about Confront and Shatter in CW? It’s hilarious.
      http://tonyortega.org/2013/11/10/scientology-attacks-garcia-filing-marc-headley-schools-clearwaters-mayor/#comment-1117300166

      • Miss Tia

        THANK YOU for linking to that! I would have missed that otherwise!!

        • Missionary Kid

          I accidentally learned how to link people to a comment tonight, so I’m demonstrating it.

          For anyone who’s reading this, just right click on the name of the person posting, and a pull-down menu appears. One of the choices is “Copy link location” when you select that one, the link location goes to your notepad, and you can paste it anywhere.

          Did I confuse enough people?

          • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

            You can also click on the thing where it says “an hour ago” and it will have a yellow bar next to it. Then you look up to your address bar and copy and past that link (it will now be linked to the comment). For those afraid of clicking the ‘other’ mouse button. LOL

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Derek said it, you can just right click / copy the time on the post. So “an hour ago” or “x minutes ago” is an active link.

          • Rita Gregory

            Oh man I’ve been wondering how John P. did that on his site. Thanks!

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re welcome. As I often say about myself, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and I’m real dangerous.

            • EnthralledObserver

              lol – aren’t we all…?

            • TXCowgirl

              My kids are always telling me that I know a little bit about a whole lot of things, but not a whole lot about one thing in particular. Look out…here comes Mommy Danger!

            • jeff

              Experts are people who know more and more about less and less until they know absolutely everything about nothing.

            • John P.

              This needs to be chiseled in stone on the doorway to the investment research & portfolio management group at Global Capitalism HQ. And perhaps tattooed on the inside of the eyelids of some of the people who work there as well.

            • Missionary Kid

              Expert: An ex is a has been, and a spurt is a drip under pressure.

          • Miss Tia

            yeah, that confused me…..i recently saw you can TAG people in comments @missionarykid:disqus as in twitter…..which i guess is sort of cool if you wanted to get someone’s attention and weren’t responding to their comment…..

      • MaxSpaceman

        I love the Confront & Shatter story!!
        I called the 3– Underground Bunker Overt Intelligence Agents.

        Uhm, was I overstating it?

        • Missionary Kid

          Naw. They deserve all of the praise. I even emailed John P. to tell him the story, if he hasn’t already seen it.

          It’s the perfect way to reply to bullbaiting. Compliment them on the correctness, then let them know that it hasn’t worked.

          • John P.

            Kid, I would have missed it had you not pointed it out. They made my day. “Capitalist Tech” beats “Bogus Tech” any day. We have to be able to cut the knees out from under any of the amped-up louts on the trading desk that try to mess with us as quickly as possible. Learning to get into their simple one-dimensional minds is quite similar to messing with people whose cognitive faculties have been limited by the cult.

            • Missionary Kid

              By nailing someone early and strategically, it puts them at a disadvantage in the future, because they’re extra cautious. They’ll remember that they got zinged, and pull their punches, because they don’t know what’s going to come back.

  • aquaclara

    Warning: the Bunker smells quite yummily of toasted cheese sammiches and sticky buns (aka cinnamon buns) with gooey icing.

    Proceed at your own risk.

    • TXCowgirl

      I’m worried that commenters here tonight are going to get called out by the content police. I’m not kidding. Seriously, I’m getting tense. Proceed at your own risk, indeed!

      • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

        Who are these content police? They have been ignoring me. I feel like I’m not doing a good enough job.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          You are dramatically immune from so much of the abuse the rest of us suffer here. I think everyone has decided you have suffered enough. Either that, or it’s that cute face of yours…!

      • Rita Gregory

        Bury has volunteered her ass for them to kiss. I offer mine as well. It’s not pretty.

        • TXCowgirl

          Thank you both, cause mine is too skinny to kiss and I’m a fraidy cat of the first degree.

          • Casabeca

            Can I join your club of first degree fraidy cats?
            I try to live a peaceful life, when possible.
            Don’t need any Internet enemies…ack!

            • Charlotte

              Do you watch the IT crowd? I’d advise you start…and mostly because the finale is apropos of your comment and you won’t appreciate all the jokes unless you’ve watched every episode. Don’t panic, it’s a British series and there are only 6 eps per season. And you’ll wish there were more.

            • Casabeca

              I have not seen it I truly love a lot of British TV, so I will have to check it out.
              Thank you Ms Charlotte!

            • Charlotte

              :-)

            • TXCowgirl

              Absolutely! Now that you’ve joined me, there are twice as many members. :-) I’ve spent my life trying not to rock the boat in both the real and web worlds. Glad to have a like-minded friend. Cheers!

            • Casabeca

              And we are both West girls too!
              Yee Haw, cowgirl up.

        • EnthralledObserver

          I’m glad there are respected regulars around here for them to kiss arse… because they just try to kick mine… I am not respected enough. And seriously I’m not even deluded enough to expect or lament that fact. ;)

          • Rita Gregory

            You kicked butt on here one night. I saw it and it was a thing of beauty!

            • EnthralledObserver

              Depends on which ‘butt’ you are referring to… ;) Some of it is emotional knee-jerk. Some is blind fury. And occasionally I have fits of unbelievably witty wit – but just occasionally. :p

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              You sound like the rest of us here, only without the delusions of consistency!

            • Rita Gregory

              I think it was somewhere in between emotional knee-jerk and blind fury. ;)

            • Robert Eckert

              I saw you play cop one night when Espiando and MediaLush were going at it and needed some serious shushing.

          • Rita Gregory

            Thanks for calling me a respected regular. I’m actually pretty new around here in bunker years. I guess time will tell how much I’m respected, but you are respected by me for sure!

        • KJP in Portland

          :O

          • Rita Gregory

            I have a friend who had known me since 7th grade. Years later we were both working at the same place and I overheard him tell the other guys who worked there that I was really easy to get along with and very nice.Then he says “but don’t cross her or you will wish you hadn’t”. So I guess I’m a bad ass when absolutely necessary.

      • SandiCorrena

        IKR!! Scary……….!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Don’t you mean the Content NAZIS?

        • TXCowgirl

          Yes, but I’m uncomfortable using the N word.

        • Casabeca

          I know it makes me nervous now.
          Is it brilliant, hilarious and intellectually marvelous?
          Or am I just a huggy, waste-of-space, mouth -breathing underachiever?
          Not that any one is judging or anything. ;)
          Palpitations, I tell you!

          • Charlotte

            Currently wearing a 24 hour monitor because of my palpitations; better avoid this thread.

            • Casabeca

              And now you are my BFF, and I owe you for the monitor you’re sending to me.
              ;)

            • Charlotte

              You can repay me the $50 deposit in Bunker rations :-)

            • Casabeca

              All popcorn, or half popcorn half drinks?

            • Charlotte

              Half/half, please. Had popcorn for the first time in years a few nights back when we finally managed to sneak out to the movies with just the compliant milk-fed girl. The first few mouthfuls are great, and I think I need to do this more; the next few are a bit meh, and I can take it or leave it; 1/3 the way in and I’m running on pure tight-fisted bloody-mindedness to not waste the obscene amount of money spent on it.

            • Casabeca

              Perfect! You sound sort of British to me, so a nice cuppa builders tea for us, maybe wine at night?

            • Charlotte

              I’m so transparent…. I haven’t much wine for yonks (damn babies) but I can’t pass up a good cuppa and whine

            • Casabeca

              I am a huge Anglophile and I skim the Guardian and Daily mail regularly!
              I live in desert west in US, but pretend to live in London Paris or NYC ;)

            • Casabeca

              And , btw, I did not mean to ignore it if you are really wearing a monitor. That’s a bit scary by itself. So be well, no reading Russell Brand or Liz Jones. Maybe some Tim Dowling or Lucy Mangan ;). I hope you find yourself in good health.

            • Charlotte

              Monitor has had its 24 hours now, but not sure it captured anything of note. Darned unpredictable heart conditions, eh.
              I’ve been an Aussie for the past almost-decade. Beaches, rainforests, deserts….oh my!

            • Casabeca

              Ooh yeah, an Aussie too! I want to learn to make pavlova.

            • Rita Gregory

              Hope you get good news.

            • Charlotte

              I’m hoping to get some answers this time around. Never any guarantees it’ll pick up any in the monitored time period, tricksome things!

  • KJP in Portland

    Maybe if we post all sorts of wonderful foods, the Sea Org lurkers would go away?

    • aquaclara

      Or better yet, come join us. Our food is better.

      • kemist

        ..

        • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

          I had that on my car for ages. LOL

        • SandiCorrena

          wiping crumbs from face….ummmmm not anymore! Anyone….got Milk?

          • EnthralledObserver

            *brings in cow*

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              For…

              MORE COWBELL!!!

            • Rita Gregory

              I think I want a bumper sticker that says More Cowbell!

      • KJP in Portland

        and we have caek!

    • Charlotte

      Greetings, KJP.

      • KJP in Portland

        (((hugs))) to you Charlotte!

      • KJP in Portland

        (((hugs))) Charlotte!

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Awww, dude, never go back for the second hug..

          • KJP in Portland

            I thought my 1st one didn’t post! I don’t see it :(

            • Rita Gregory

              A likely story. :)

          • Charlotte

            I heard a rumour you like to do it three times, Jimmy

            • Rita Gregory

              Lol.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Once a rumor starts flying around the internet, it’s very hard to convince people that you (((hug))) a reasonable number of times. It’s a burden.

    • Missionary Kid

      I had to go fix myself a toasted ham a cheese sandwich after all the food talk. Derek started it with his talk of cinnamon rolls.

      • Rita Gregory

        It just died in here and it’s all Derek’s fault with his darn cinnamon rolls. ;)

        • Missionary Kid

          Wait until the next shift comes along.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      popcorn?

      • KJP in Portland

        I was thinking steak and seafood!

        • Rita Gregory

          New york strip and lobster!

    • aurora50

      The news from the Philippines is pretty grim. You said earlier you had experience there.
      Any recommendations on how best to assist them? a preferred NGO?
      Maybe post it tomorrow at Bunker Prime Time?

  • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

    I just want to say, that you people that come around and say, “Let’s stay on topic here.” Are missing out on the conversations going on right now. Hehe.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Colin Kaepernick was victorious today, you know.

      • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

        oh yes. I know. And now that I am thinking about him I need to wait five minutes before I can construct a logical thought

        • MaxSpaceman

          He played better last year though, than this year. Still, they will wind up in the NFC Championship game, I’d wager.

          • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

            He definitely did play better last year! He hasn’t been running as much this year. That and after proving himself an asset last year, I’m sure someone told him to be more careful about avoiding injury.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        11/22, 91 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 16 yards rushing. 2 fantasy points. They lost 9-10.

        • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

          He’s always a winner in my book. You shush.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I like the guy too, although not in the same way you like him, but I’m afraid he’s going back to the fantasy bench.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              I like him because he’s been an incredible asset to my team after the “Alex Smith” days (who is now killing it on KC which everyone expected). He also adds eye candy to a normally bland game.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Misread that then, if I have to pick an NFC team to back, I’ve liked the niners since I was a kid. Back to the Jerry Rice days.

            • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

              My old boss got to meet Jerry Rice. Because he was doing some work for our company. She was in NY and I was in LA. I was super jealous. She made sure to send pictures :/ lol

          • MaxSpaceman

            That’s what I was talkin’ about, Derek — not whether he won or lost! He played the game ! As the starting quarterback for the 49ers.

        • Captain Howdy

          Alex Smith is 9-0, Kapernick is 6-3 with with 9 TD’s passing for the whole season which is one less than Nick Foles has in 2 games.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Ain’t Kansas City a revelation, though!

            • Captain Howdy

              That’s fer sure.

            • MaxSpaceman

              *No one* called that.
              But they have a lot of talent. Alex is playing like grand. And Andy is coaching like terrific.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              They’re ball control and defense. A. Smith is a competent game manager, but he’s not lighting it up. I could hand the ball off to Jamal Charles, for the record. A few times, at least, before I’d be carried off the field in a stretcher. But I could do it.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Yes, and in a weird situation, those are my only two QBs in my league this year. Where they competed a year ago on a real roster, they compete now on my mediocre fantasy roster.

      • TXCowgirl

        He’s completely delicious. Now I’m hungry!! The talk of sweet rolls didn’t quite do it.

  • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

    I never realized how much internet conversation changed my reading comprehension until I was looking at an e-mail chain. I am used to reading backkwards–newest to oldest. LOL

  • Rita Gregory
  • John P.

    Today’s “Scientology Daily Digest” for Sunday November 10 is up.

    There’s a great story on Mike Rinder’s blog with lots of data on the Haifa (Israel) org, which broke away and went “independent” a year ago, which gives us some confidence in our ability to triangulate on overall cult membership and staff size.

    Tony’s blog featured a bizarre “Through The Looking Glass” filing by the cult in the Garcia case. There was also an eloquent letter from Marc Headley to the City of Clearwater, and the usual Sunday Funnies. One of the comments even mentioned how several of Tony’s readers, protesting at Flag, used some
    “Capitalist Tech” I proposed a while ago to shut down the security goons that were dogging their heels.

    Marty’s up with a new post of interest on his plans for new writing next year. And the forums have a number of interesting threads, including the suspicion that we’ll see fund raising to send Volunteer Ministers into the Philippines to “help” with the aftermath of the record typhoon. Haven’t these people suffered enough?

    http://www.johnpcapitalist.com/2013/11/scientology-daily-digest-sunday-november-10-2013/

  • Snippy_X

    Here is an article that discusses some of the legalities of refunding donations. There is surely a more relevant explanation somewhere, but this is what popped up. I would still like to hear from Scientology some reason why they do not return the Garcia’s donation other than … we don’t have to, because it is a donation. One thing for certain is there would be no harm to the “public interest” if they did just give them their money back.

    http://michaelrosensays.wordpress.com/2012/01/27/can-a-nonprofit-return-a-donors-gift/

    • Sarah James

      Good article. It appears to be the (cherch) violated the terms of the donation when they sold the cross more than once. I know it is standard Scientology economics but perhaps the state authorities might want to take a peek at the (cherches) books.
      I do hope the Garcia’s see a refund.

  • aurora50

    ATTN KJP: (repost from below)

    The news from the Philippines is pretty grim. You said earlier you had experience there.
    Any recommendations on how best to assist them? a preferred NGO?
    Maybe post it tomorrow at Bunker Prime Time?

    • Casabeca

      Great idea.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Ah, the twitter LULZ!

    “Forcing my partner @TonyDovolani to have his first facial

    before our next performance on @DancingABC tomorrow #DWTS”

    https://twitter.com/LeahRemini

  • Chadicus

    Is this a good time to jump in? I just looked up Marty Rathbun on Youtube and got a hit for the famous psychopath video out of Co$. Its the same narrator from the videos on their site- exact same inflections describing an enemy as describing the upgraded (hopefully blue asbestos free) cabins on the Freewinds. How does the media miss this? As for me, I’m a never-in, but I hosted a couple of Aussie rugby league players back in my playing days in DC. They were fascinated by the DC Org and made me visit with them. We got separated immediately and a younger gentleman (probably 18-20) deflected my simple questions by offering a free bit of auditing. I accepted, sat down at the desk, and he explained the meter. It moved on a few questions, but nothing after that. He asked if I was open minded (real answer is yes), and the needle stuck after a few more, or I guess that’s what happened. I wanted a dialog, and I wasnt getting it- more of a demonstration not meant to be questioned. He kept asking if I wanted to improve my life, followed by ‘will you read our book?’

    It didn’t go anywhere apparently, then a middle aged woman showed up and apparently relieved him of me. She was well put together and made intense eye contact the entire time, which was interesting at first, then got weird. She pushed me to read Dianetics, and I agreed to read it. She also asked if I would be afraid to read it, which I wouldn’t be and I said this. She then very jarringly stated, “We’ll that’ll be fifteen dollars.” I smiled and immediately she broke eye contact like I ceased to exist suddenly and walked away and no one else looked at me until I made my way up the steps and out of the DC org.

    I didn’t think much more about it until I read The Apostate and Mr. Wright’s book, then I read Reitman and Marc Headly’s book and some others and its fascinating how this keeps going. I’ve been reading this blog and Mike Rinder’s site and others for over a year. I feel really bad for these people both in and out of the Co$ proper and what they’ve lost. Other than the people that keep these sites in the face of this human tragedy, I most respect Debbie Cook for trying to break down the wall and Tory Christman for hanging in there and being available as so many others at great personal cost, but so many other people have made the same sacrifices and probably more. Too many to mention. My friends and family and I have gotten a few friends off drugs (in the actual caring friend and human being way) with love and support and vigilance and its sad to see that great people are doing this just to get people out from under the thumb of a gremlin that holds their wives and husbands, parents, and children over their heads like so many blades. So sad to read stories about Spanky Taylor and Clap Clap Lou! and others that get caught up, and so uplifting that Headleys raise families, Rathbuns and Rinders overcome and prosper, South African OT8s are blessed with declares so as not to be extorted from anymore. . . So where does it end? There are a lot of smart people formerly in and now out. It seems to me that the people left in are the real victims. The legacy of LRH can be debated later and even then participation would be by choice. One little gremlin seems to be the key to the whole human rights catastrophe. . .

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hello! Interesting personal experience with the DC Org.

      Stick around– it’s livelier here at earlier hours in the day.

      • Chadicus

        Thanks for the reply. Its the most fascinating sociological situation I’ve ever encountered. Taking it as face value as a religious movement and a genuine spiritual path, its somewhat amazing to me that so many people sacrifice so very much- willfully walking into the buzzsaw of losing spouse, children, etc, while nearly everyone who has gone there will agree that one man is the problem. Groups like DROR in many places around the world free of RTC are making progress, the evidence of a massive real estate scheme abound in the Ideal Org strategy abounds, the all important stats are down everywhere- yet people seem to universally acknowledge the cause before suffering the penalties to leave. On top of that, you hear stories of empty orgs and falling stats and browbeatings and the like.

        Why is this allowed to go on? If Scientology existed in Genesis, the 8th Dynamic would have only needed to have Noah clog the drain in COB’s bathtub and then problem solved. No ark and no cataclysm required. I suppose its and act of martyrdom to have your family ripped away. And all your friends and really anyone you know. And you dont have any education or money. But what would happen if the Emperor gets thrown down the shaft in the Death Star all of a sudden? Would anyone fight for his memory then?

        • Interested

          Welcome Cladicus. It is fascinating. And sad. And all us outs still scratch our heads trying to understand. All I can say is … Have you been hypnotised? … Perhaps that is the basis. And being threatened with damnation for all eternity (that is such a long time!)

    • EnthralledObserver

      Welcome – thanks for your anecdotes and opinions. Feel free to share some more…
      Oh… and who were those Aussie League players you billeted?

      • Chadicus

        We played rugby league for the fairfax eagles. Team is now the NoVA Eagles. We were allowed to bring in 2-4 “imports” or people that knew rugby better than us per year.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Names…??? (you don’t have to, just tell me to buzz off if you want)

          • Chadicus

            Not sure they’d appreciate it. They’d already been kicked out when my good-intentioned questions got me bounced. One of them is in government down there.

            • EnthralledObserver

              lol… League player in Govt…?? Hmm… I don’t know of any, but I’m just a girl, it’s not my thing. I’ll do some digging. Cheers! :)

            • Chadicus

              :-) Glad I started writing. Everyone here is awesome.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Glen Lazarus, Matt Adamson… just two found on a cursory search so far… ;)

          • Chadicus

            He was the best player on our first year, Now somewhere in Aussie gov. Huge Rudd supporter. You’ll find him. Though I’ve heard a lot of the pols down there have very little in common except a disdain for Co$.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      You’re not supposed to get them wet or feed them after midnight. That’s how this whole thing started.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Watch that one they call ‘Stripe’… he’s the mean one… the leader…

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Gizmo scared of Stripe

          • EnthralledObserver

            Is Gizmo Mike Rinder… ?? That just came to me…

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Well, Gizmo actually spawned Stripe inadvertently.. and so if Stripe is… then Gizmo is…

              and that is very depressing.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Ewww… images that don’t belong in my head! Quick, change the subject…

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Did you hear about Tom Cruise?

            • EnthralledObserver

              Yes… yes I did… seems he’s finding his ‘religion/slave force much more interesting than his child… or so his testimony implies.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I meant about Mission Impossible 5. But I’ll look up what you meant

            • EnthralledObserver

              No then… what about MI5? (haha… you have to be specific when it comes to TC gossip)

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Oh. It’s a movie that they’re going to make with TC. Some guy will direct, probably others will be involved.

            • EnthralledObserver

              lol… I’m so glad you told me… because I’d be in the dark regarding that if you hadn’t…
              But… are you sure there will be others involved… I mean, TC is all they’ll need, right?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I don’t know, he might be so physically and emotionally drained that he will need some help. You know that some people compare what he does to being posted on active combat duty in desert war zones? The people who do so are usually certifiable assholes, but the comparison has been made. By at least two certifiable assholes.

            • EnthralledObserver

              It is taxing being a movie star… all that pretending is hard on a person… pretending to be intelligent, pretending to be nice, pretending not to be shallow, pretending to care about something other than just yourself. You know… it’s just brutal!

            • i-Betty

              Hur hur :P

      • Interested

        Jee that film scared the shit out of me and I was in my 30′s when it came out! I kept looking under me bed.

    • i-Betty

      What an excellent first post. It’s lovely to have you here, Chadicus :)

      • Chadicus

        Thanks! Glad to be here!

    • tetloj

      There’s an interesting rugby league connection in Scientology with Chris Guider (St George) and Joe Reaiche (Canterbury, S Syd), both former Aussie RL professionals. Joe was recently in the news because his daughter (step-siblings of the famous Mastersons) is close to Connor Cruise.

      http://tonyortega.org/2013/07/07/alanna-mastersons-dad-calls-connor-cruise-worst-person-in-the-world-for-her-to-date/

      • EnthralledObserver

        I believe Joe’s kids are ‘half-siblings’ not ‘step-siblings’ to the Mastersons, and oddly, they even go by that surname themselves now. I find that bizarre – unless it’s a stage name thing to help them get work Even still…

  • piper

    Beautiful letter, Marc.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Someone or something took down Bert Leahy’s Suppressa Palooza Trailer from youtube.

    Well, it’s safe and mirrored elsewhere.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x170k42_suppressa-palooza-trailer-mirrored-for-great-justice-screw-you-cult-of-scientology_shortfilms

  • koki
    • DodoTheLaser

      Context for the video above from JohnP:

      “Vistaril caught an interesting storyabout how a cultie got arrested for throwing water on two protesters.

      The discussion on WWP raised the interesting point that this may have
      been done so the cult could get the identity of the Anons that would
      have to be revealed as part of making a police complaint, implying that
      the stunt was essentially arranged entirely for the purpose.

      Apparently, one of the Anons was comfortable doing this, and that was
      sufficient to make the arrest. The good news: they’re desperate enough
      to unmask Anons that someone would risk an arrest that will show up on a
      background check if they ever leave the cult. The bad news: this may
      actually work. The worse news, if you’re in the cult: David Miscavige
      treats your future employment prospects with about the same care and
      concern as the average Al Qaeda lieutenant recruiting suicide bombers.”

      http://www.johnpcapitalist.com/2013/11/scientology-daily-digest-sunday-november-10-2013/

      • Noni Mause

        Thanks for the heads up — I would never have considered the tactical advantage to them of an arrest. I’ll bear that in mind.

        • DodoTheLaser

          We are about to witness all kinds of foot bullets and meltdowns, so yeah.

      • koki

        but TheDarkXander is a lawyer,and everybody knows his name…
        dont think that he is that stupid.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Arch Enemy – Revolution Begins
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PuD3XrF9Hg

  • i-Betty

    WE BELIEVE THAT DISCONNECTION IS CRUEL AND WRONG

    Helpline:

    1-866-XSEAORG – The call is completely free and can be made from any public telephone

    If you’re a Scientologist reading this and you are having doubts about your religion, whether it be the doctrine, the incessant, relentless regging, or the leadership, but are afraid to leave because it’s all you’ve known, or you’re afraid of what to expect on the ‘outside’, please give the number on Glibby’s sign (below) a call; it’s totally free. You can speak anonymously and in strict confidence to somebody who can help you, and will receive non-judgmental moral support, as well as real advice for setting up your new life and getting back on your feet.

    I promise you, the outside world isn’t the enemy. As in all walks of life, some people are idiots, but most people are kind, hard working, honest, loving individuals, just living their lives. Many, many people have already left Scientology and are living happy, fulfilling, peaceful lives filled with family and friends – old and new – who love them. They, too, felt your fears as they began their break away from the church. Some took a leap of faith and discovered that the landing was soft, welcoming and forgiving. Some needed to take baby steps. But they all moved in one direction: towards the door.

    For them, every day is now an adventure and they are the architects of their own lives.

    You may be feeling:

    Sadness and loss over saying “goodbye” to those ideals in the group you thought you could admire, the fellow members you thought were your true friends, or the time and money spent following something which turned out to be false…

    Fear, that this may have been your last hope for happiness, success, enlightenment, or your eternity; that you are no longer protected by the powers of your leader and are vulnerable to evil; that you will make bad decisions for yourself without the group’s guidance, or that you will be punished for leaving…

    Loneliness, at the thought of leaving intensive relationships, and now needing to reconnect with family and friends who live in a manner that your religion criticized…

    Confusion, about what to believe, and how to make good decisions for yourself and your future…

    Guilt, possibly associated with having broken ties to loved ones, or for having recruited others into Scientology…

    Shame, when realizing you were involved in an organisation that maybe made you behave in a way that you’re not proud of…

    If Auditing and Training are still important to you they are both available outside the church, but without any of the hoops attached which you are currently expected to jump through…it is cheaper, and there will be no sec checking.

    It might help you to hear stories from others who were in your exact same situation. There is a great website called The Big List That Left Scientology. Here is the link: https://sites.google.com/site/biglistthatleftscientology/ Click on the alphabetical letters across the top to find people you may have known, and to read some inspirational stories.

    You might also like to look at the “Dear Scientologist” series of letters written by ex-Scientologists which are specifically tailored to be free of any reference to OT materials. They are beautifully written and might begin to help you make sense of your questions and confusion. Here is the link: http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/dear-scientologist2.htm

    Last, but by no means least, the Freeloader Debt is NOT legally enforceable – that means they can’t make you pay it.

    Call the Toll Free number. It might just be the first step to the rest of your life.

    And call your family. Please. They never stopped loving you and hoping that one day you would come back to them. Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays are near. Give them a call, send them your love. No guilt, no shame.

    We wish you so much luck and love.

    • Tory Christman

      “The way OUT *Is* the Neeeeeeeeearest DOOR!” Hey, LRH took it, why not YOU? :)

  • Sydjazz

    Hey bunkerites from down under. Well that was a fun post. How much did the vanguards with honors pay? Haha.
    Tonight over dinner my partner and i were discussing scientology. And i was telling him about xenu and all sorts of fun things. This woman was looking at me almost falling off her seat to listen. After a bit she was glaring at me and walked off in disgust. Lol. Had to be a scion. That’s my good deed for the night. Lol.
    I hope the garcias go well in the next round. *ding ding*

  • Michele Davis

    Thank You so very much Mr. Headley. I also emailed letters to the Mayor and City Manager of the town where I reside (Clearwater). I about blew a gasket when the 30 day deadline for a permit came and went, yet the city is still allowing street closures, sound systems, signage and the like.
    I guess I should be used to it. They’re allowed to stand on the FLAG buses en route to Flag and back home to barracks (against the law) and when the Tampa Bay Times prints any article about them I can’t find a newspaper within 3 miles of my residence. <===And that's just for starters. Clerks have told me they buy all the newspapers along with clearing out the machines and it's perfectly legal.
    I've heard of no plans to protest the opening of Super Power or any of their other stupid parties, but I'm all for protesting City Hall at this point.

  • Frankly My Dear

    Why can’t Clearwater Just Say No?

  • valshifter

    scientology is clearly showing that they can OUTSMART the law, with every attempt to dismiss the charges, because of this because of that, I hope the judge can see thru that, is not about OUTSMARTING one another is about doing what is RIGHT by one another and obviously sciloontology has no intentions of doing that. those mother@#&$^&@$ers

  • valshifter

    that picture of the Bennets takes me back to the 50′s when men were to perceived to be the man of the house and the wife was just there in the background as a housewife. seems like we are going back in time with this cult.