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VIDEO: Scientology Leader David Miscavige’s Weird Explanation for the IRS Victory

David_Miscavige_StillWe have some rare video of David Miscavige, leader of the Church of Scientology, giving a drawn-out and very strange explanation for why and how the IRS battled and ultimately caved to the church over its tax exempt status in 1993. The speech is from the New Year’s Eve 2000 Scientology event, which we hadn’t seen before, and it was edited into a funky video presentation that was assembled in 2007 by J. Swift, who tells us the thing hasn’t been online for several years.

We’d love to get your thoughts on this pre-Anonymous bit of church criticism, and Miscavige’s weird explanation for what motivated the IRS.

We’ve watched it a couple of times now, and Miscavige’s rap seems to go like this…

— Scientology was kicking the psychiatric industry’s butt, costing it billions.

— The “mad-dog press” was attacking Scientology, led by “SLIME” Magazine, which was promoting LSD use. (Say what?)

— The IRS was leading the attack, with a billion-dollar tax bill it wanted from Scientology.

But what really was at stake in 1991, Miscavige says, was “The Tech.” Five years after Hubbard’s death, Scientology’s “technology” was still popular, and the IRS set out to destroy it. To secure the tech from harm, the Church of Spiritual Technology (CST) had been founded, and its primary goal was to achieve tax-exempt status.

But once the IRS turned down CST’s exemption application, plans were made to donate LRH copyrights to another organization that did already have tax-exempt status. So the IRS scrambled to get all of the existing exemptions stripped. But then, in 1991, Scientology prevailed, and CST and the rest got exemptions (after an IRS review and settlement process that lasted until 1993). And best of all, CST continues to secure the tech with its underground vaults.

Here, watch Miscavige say it in his own words…

 
“I made this particular video in 2007 and posted it anonymously on YouTube. However, the Church immediately got it taken down. Back then, before Anonymous changed the rules, the Church routinely got away with taking down critical websites and videos,” J. Swift tell us. “My goal in making this video was to create an atmospheric look and feel in order to showcase the lies and dishonesty of David Miscavige. This video shows Miscavige spinning a very tall tale about his phony heroism to gullible Church parishioners.”

It’s a very interesting artifact, and we’re glad to see it restored to the web.

As for Miscavige’s fable, there’s a simpler version of what happened, as was explained using interviews with Marty Rathbun and your proprietor in a recent Channel 4 documentary, Scientologists at War. The IRS had fought for years against Scientology’s petitions for tax exempt status because, well, as Bryan Seymour recently put it, “Scientology is a cult operating as a business masquerading as a religion.” And the IRS finally gave in after the church had spent years harassing IRS employees with thousands of individual lawsuits and constant surveillance.

But that story makes for less of a fun Millenium tale, perhaps.

 
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Meanwhile, Back at the Apocalypse

One of our tipsters inside the Church of Scientology sent us this note about how members are giddy with excitement for the release of Super Power and the Golden Age of Technology II.

As Mike Rinder has been documenting so thoroughly at his blog, Scientology leader David Miscavige is trying to convince his followers that in order to make the launch of new material a success, they have to jump through all kinds of (pricey) hoops. One of them is getting people to redo their “Objectives,” which are low-level drills we’ve talked about in our series with Claire Headley — to outsiders, they appear to be indoctrination drills to help create compliant church members. Anyway, here’s just one glimpse into what’s going on in the church right now…

A friend left last week for Flag [Scientology’s spiritual headquarters in Clearwater, Florida] to do her Objectives. She is a newly completed OT VIII and has done everything at the top of the Bridge, but she was CS’d [told by her case supervisor] to redo her Objectives.

This is a smart lady when it comes to business, but she has totally bought into the idea that everyone needs to redo their Objectives, at $2,500 for the course (a steal) and hotel accommodations for 6 to 8 weeks. The estimate of the hours to complete it is 90-150 hours. Which means double that since you have to get your twin through it.

Unless you have recently done your objectives, you’re being told you have to redo them. And that means lots of people at Flag. And evidently regardless of whether you are in the middle of OT VII or somewhere else on the Bridge, you are going to be told to get on your Objectives. What is scary is how easily she was convinced to do this. People are buying into this GAT II program lock, stock, and barrel.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 6, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Nevermore

    It continues to amaze me that McScabbitch makes these grandiose speeches and never once seems to stop and think that he, as far as I can see, has completely gone against Flubtard’s wishes. He’s altered the ‘tech’. The control of the {church} is now in one man’s hands. Talk about deluded!

  • Observer

    omg! Between Davey’s weirdly animatronic movements behind the podium (he reminds me of the Hall of Presidents or whatever it is at Disneyland) and the utter crap he was spouting I couldn’t make it past the first five minutes. I guess I’ll have to watch it in increments.

    Was he really calling Time magazine “Slime”, or am I hallucinating? And does the way he says “Eller H” bug anyone but me?

    Edit: J.Swift, the music is perfect!

    • Nevermore

      No, you’re not hallucinating, and yes, Ellerh bugs me too. As does the fact that there are still clams swallowing this swill and calling it a {religion}.

    • VickiStubing

      So the Tiny Tyrant has been using the same queer mannerisms and speech patterns all along. Sigh. How does that appeal to people? It’s so creepy. I’m with you, Obs; can’t watch but a few minutes of it.

      He cracks himself up with the “Slime” magazine reference. Oh, David, you witty boy!

      • Observer

        Step away from the Slime, Mr. Miscavige. Leave the J&D-ing to the professionals.

        • GlibWog

          Step Away From the Slime?

          HE IS THE SLIME

      • Missionary Kid

        Believe it or not, Vicki, but I didn’t have Tiny Tyrant on the list of names for DM. Thanks.

        • Lark Smith

          How about Slappy McNutts MK.

          • Missionary Kid

            Done.

          • Missionary Kid

            I forgot to say ‘”Thanks” I added it. We’re up to over 170 nicknames.

            • Lark Smith

              My pleasure 🙂

            • RMycroft

              The perp-squeek?

            • Missionary Kid

              Great.

        • DamOTclese2

          Hope you have “dwarfenfurher” already. 🙂

          • Missionary Kid

            Yup, that and Der Dwarfenfurher, too.

    • Missionary Kid

      I guess that if you’re using nukes, it doesn’t matter if they’re foot nukes or crotch nukes. 😉

      • WildaBeast

        Please don’t ever make me think of DM’s crotch again. Please!

    • jonzot

      Yes you are hallucinating, from all those psychedelic drugs that Time Magazine keeps pushing on you.

      • DamOTclese2

        Damn it, where the fuck are *my* free drugs from Time Magazine? I haven’t got *any* yet!

        • Studious Judious

          lower right corner of the reply card.

          • WildaBeast

            Cut it out and eat it. Wait an hour and it’ll ALL be good…

    • shasha40

      If I die laughing one of these days , your Fantabulous shoops will be te cause ! Splendid as usual. My stomach hurts & cheeks…on my face.

    • John P.

      It always bugs me the way he says “Eller H” as well. I think this is an artifact of the digital speech processing software they use to make his voice sound more authoritative and robust instead of what, in person, is probably more whiny and wheezy. The side effect, of course, is that it makes him just sound weird.

      • ze moo

        Davey just doesn’t speak english very well. Notice the slight lisp as he pronounces ‘s’ words. I suspect a speech impediment. His word clearing skills are below par also. How do you clay demo ‘inurement’??

        • Marie Claire Wolf

          Stuff clay into cob orifices.

          • monkeyknickers

            No Marie! Coal! Then we’ll all have diamonds!

            • Marie Claire Wolf

              From LRH’s ass? More likely to be volcanic glass, think of all that gas! Phew..

        • Ziontologist

          The first time I heard him I thought he was Frank Gorshin.

        • chukicita

          “How do you clay demo ‘inurement’??” < my favorite line of the week.

        • mpl

          What do you expect from someone with a 10th grade education?

          • Spackle Motion

            9th grade….9th grade.

            He didn’t finish his 10th grade year, so technically it is a 9th grade education.

      • pronoia

        Oh! S they are auto-tuning him basically. It never occurred to me that he would do that (don’t know why as he is such an inauthentic little bastard). No wonder he is so hard to listen to.

      • monkeyknickers

        And he talks out of one side of his mouth. Like he had a light stroke but only the lips on the right side were affected. Well, the lips and whatever neurons are responsible for blocking one from becoming a badly spoiled brat and a sociopath. And an idiot.

        What does this guy DO during the day (well now obviously he’s devoted to putting out fires, but before that) Like – does he like to bowl? Does he enjoy painting a la Hitler? Does he read? I honestly wonder what he does for fun.

        Oh! And! Is he asexual or something? Typically, people who as addicted to power as this guy incorporate some kind of debasing sex into the mix.

        I mean, if he’s being constantly attended to by a group of people with tape recorders and cigarette lighters, it’d be hard to believe someone isn’t getting him girls, too. Or that they don’t notice.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Well, we know he likes to watch. And read the vid transcripts out loud at his lounge bar.

          • monkeyknickers

            Damn the man’s creepy. A la “It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.” kinda creepy.

            • Poison Ivy

              You’re on fire today, Monkey. Perfect analogy.

            • Robert Eckert
            • monkeyknickers

              It’s a good movie. But I have to watch it in chunks – chunks that coincide with my niece sleeping or being with her maymay (grandma).

              She’s a very sophisticated 4, but I think I’ll save this genre of film for her to discover later in life. 🙂

            • WildaBeast

              Reading that book messed me up. I’ve never seen the movie and I think I might be afraid to.

            • GlibWog

              I had such a horrible reaction when I first saw ” Exorcist ” with the original Subliminal shit..

              Really.. I was in my 20s scared the shit out of me. Lost like 10 pds.. just scared all the time for about a month. Very Traumatic for me..

            • Missionary Kid

              I had no problem with it. To me, it was all Catholic made up shit to explain psychological problems. I just wanted to barf at the stupidity. Note: there’s a lot of Protestants who relate to that too.

              Remember, too that I laughed so hard and openly when I saw Rosemary’s Baby because I realized it was written to hit every woman’s fears: rape, deformed baby, unsympathetic husband, etc. I left the theater before I was lynched by the women and so they could get the scare they paid for.

              Both films are total manipulation of fears. Kinda like $cientology, but much cheaper.

            • GlibWog

              Rosemary’s baby was scary.. NOTHING compared to Exorcist..
              Oh I know total manipulation.. but it worked on me that’s for sure..

            • cicely neville

              Not even Catholic except in the sense of cultural cues . The whole premise was so stupid, and (pardon my pedantry) heretical.

            • Missionary Kid

              The Catholics have a formal exorcism ritual. It is rarely used today, and pretty much frowned on today in the United States. The Exorcist was not in line with most modern Catholic practice, but the movie, ironically led to an increase in exorcisms after it came out. I’m aware of at least one priest who has performed some exorcisms recently, but it’s pretty much on the down low, as I remember. As far as being heretical, the CC hasn’t prohibited the ceremony, but it does require the approval of the bishop.

              Most people look at the CC as being monolithic, but there are actually a lot of variations in practices.

              I don’t know of any Protestant churches that have an exorcism ceremony. There are some fundamentalist sects and individual churches who who have strong beliefs in demons, spirits, and possession and do perform casting out of demons with prayer, bible reading, and laying on of hands, which some will call an exorcism. Faith healers do it in dramatic fashion, ending up the prayer with a thump on the forehead after calling on Jesus to cast out the demon spirit..

              As I mentioned to Robert Eckert, a child was actually killed in an exorcism done by .a family when they sat on a little boy to restrain him as they performed their ceremony of prayer and laying on of hands.

              My attitude is that if you believe in the devil, you are giving the concept power over you. I still believed in the devil when I saw the movie, but, due to my upbringing, looked at “demon possession” as a psychological problem.

            • cicely neville

              The Anglican Church also has exorcists (very quietly.) They are not available everywhere, and can only be sent for with permission of the local bishop , which I think is also the case with the RC. They have to be highly disciplined and trained .

              Fundamentalist sects doing exorcisms is a very scary proposition. I saw one actually televised once; the pastor was a pompous little twit who didn’t have a clue but did have an impressive ego.

              I didn’t make myself clear; it wasn’t the exorcism, it was the whole premise of the film that was heretical; way too much credence to the Devil, to the point of dualism.

              One wonders sometimes what the fundamentalists are really worshipping, the way they carry on. Often, a very personal Satan seems to be the focus of all their attention.

            • Missionary Kid

              I guess it is natural that the Anglicans would have exorcisms, since they are not only close to the RCC, but have been in talks to reunite with them.

              Fundamentalist exorcisms are all over the place, because there is no unified ritual for them, they determine for themselves what scripture is relevant, and fundamentalists are basically emotional. That applies especially to the charismatic groups. The televangelists combine the emotional aspect with show business hokum, especially faith healers.

              The fundamentalists really the devil to have prominence so they can have a villain to struggle against. He’s the equivalent of the scion’s evil psychs. You’ll notice that he is depicted as a human person with supernatural powers. Their god is greater because he can defeat a great opponent.

              I don’t believe in the devil any more. I think he’s a construct, and created to explain bad things that happen and to provide a focus for control, effort and action by Christians. Of course, I’m now an atheist and don’t believe in heaven, hell, or existence other than the one we have now. When I see the “Not of this world” stickers on cars, I want to reply, “I’m here, and of this world.”

            • cicely neville

              i can promise you that we are not reuniting any time soon. It was a good try at Christian charity, but there’s no way we’re going to swallow the Pope.

              i know ( a lot, unfortunately) about fundamentalists and how unrestrained they can be – used to watch Ernest Angeley for giggles – “Foul demon of tobacco! Come out of this man!” (Whack on head).
              Their devil/god attitude is what I mean about dualism, which is a heresy. I know it’s the need for an adversary. I don’t know what sect you were raised in, but in orthodox christianity one does not have to believe in the Devil. Fundies behave as if he lived in the hall closet but I don’t know any mainstream Christians with that kind of paranoia.

              Frederick Buechner wrote in his book ‘Wishful thinking’, that the Devil is a metaphor for the way evil seems to be more than the sum of its parts.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yeah, the whole reunion with the RCC was a part of a temporary kumbayah urge. It was also a way for priests of both persuasions to switch.

              I’m not concerned at all about heresy, because I now regard religion as a bunch of made up stuff that enables us to explain and cope with life. My philosophy is, as long as you aren’t hurting someone, or forcing your beliefs on someone else, whatever floats your boat.

              As a Jewish friend of mine puts it, a lot of religion is spent trying to prove that my imaginary friend is more powerful than your imaginary friend. By declaring that god or Jesus has dominion over, what they describe as, the very powerful devil, they are saying that their god is powerful.

              BTW, the smack on the head seems to be a particular tactic of faith healers who take advantage of people’s gullibility, just like LRH did.

            • Robert Eckert

              Now, I watched it with a woman who was downright shaking by the end of it and didn’t get over it for days, while I found the whole thing rather silly and a complete failure as an effort to scare me. I put it down to the fact that she had been raised religious while I hadn’t, but here goes that theory out the window, given how MK was raised and that he reacted more like me than like Glibbie.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s a matter of what sect one is from. For one thing, most Protestant churches have no exorcism ceremony, while the Catholics do have a formal one with a long tradition. It’s my understanding that it is not often used.

              Among the more fundamentalist sects, there is a laying on of hands and prayer to cast out demons, or, with faith healers, the same type of stuff in what is basically “showtime” that ends up with a thump on the forehead to “heal” the victim.

              There has been at least one death of a child because, as a part of an exorcism by some fundamentalists, the family sat on the kid to subdue the demons, and he stopped breathing.

              I was raised with the idea of demon possession, but it was more of a biblical thing in the past. As I remember it, there was more emphasis on psychological problems and cures.

              The appearance of a Catholic priest in The Exorcist also added to my ennui. I was raised basically as an anti-Catholic. At the time I first saw The Exorcist, I was well on my way to agnosticism.

              As a missionary kid, I had become somewhat familiar with native practices and beliefs in spirits, and the different native religions. I was also seeped in the attitude that the Catholics often adopted native customs and ceremonies in different nations.

              In short, religiousness doesn’t mean that one will believe in exorcism.

            • Robert Eckert

              My friend was raised Protestant too, and could not shake a belief in the Devil.

            • Missionary Kid

              At the time I saw it, my belief in the Devil was still there, but it was fading. Now, I look at it as basically superstition. I also knew that the whole movie, like all movies, over dramatized the situation.

            • Missionary Kid

              To add: if one believes in the very personal actions of the Devil, one can get scared.

            • GlibWog

              I was raised in the Midwest as a Lutheran .. Mom wanted us to have the choice to make for ourselves and sent us more or less to Sunday School because believed in God..
              Not a Hell and Damnation church. I really don’t remember even talking about the devil or hell. Other than my mom telling me that when you die you go to Heaven and you can eat all the ice cream in the world. ( when my grandma died..)
              and I do remember her saying that people that killed themselves would go to hell. ( but didn’t know what hell was.. ) and felt terrible because my uncle killed himself and couldn’t eat all the ice cream in the world..
              The Catholic Church Always fascinated me because you know one of the commandments was about not having any graven images etc. Yet they had statues all over the place.
              Church was ginormous ( for our little town) and had a huge Shrine on the outskirt of town and had a huge pilgrimage every year… and the Shrine was like made out of Gold ( Gold Plated) and the park the shrine was in had all these stations that people prayed at..
              But even as a child.. I just thought it was so wrong to have this Gorgeous Church ( Similar to the church I saw in Rome in the 70s)
              and these people that just didn’t have that much money.. to give their offerings..
              That said.. I believe in good and I believe in Evil. And the Exorcist was the first picture I saw that represented Evil to me. ( I get scared every time I think of how I felt..)
              I have been scared ONE time in my life .. ( not to be confused with anxiety) and it was that time.. Never before.. Never after..
              Didn’t make sense to me.. ( Still doesn’t)

            • Captain Howdy

              Anyone who doesn’t think that “The Exorcist” is the Greatest Horror Film of All-Time needs to end cycle immediately.

              1. The Exorcist
              3. Nosferatu (1922)
              4. Bride of Frankenstein
              4. Freaks
              5. Eyes Without a Face
              6. The Innocents (1961)
              7. Night of the Living Dead
              8. Texas Chainsaw Massacre
              9. Let The Right One In
              10. Audition

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m sure it is the greatest horror film.

              I’m not into them, particularly the supernatural.

              Some people are color blind. I’m pretty much “color blind” when it comes to the horror genre.
              Movies need a suspension of belief, and for horror movies, I don’t suspend mine.

            • GlibWog

              OK .. Kid..
              Cujo ( The book by Stephen King.. couldn’t put down..) Movie good ( not as good as book)
              The 6th sense… Excellent…

            • GlibWog

              HELLO !!! … Loved Freaks..

            • WildaBeast

              🙁 That sucks, Glibby. I only watched the first half of it for some reason I can’t remember but that alone was plenty creepy. I’ve had a similar reaction to other movies though and it messes up your head. I don’t really get the love people have for horror movies. I find them a little *too* horrific to really enjoy them.

            • GlibWog

              Wilda.. It did suck.. I can NOT begin to tell you how scared I was.. People were RUNNING OUT OF THE THEATER.. ( I swear to God..) and I ran up to the poor guy that was selling popcorn and screamed..
              ” HOW CAN YOU SHOW A MOVIE LIKE THIS? IT SHOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW !”
              I was just shaking and sobbing and couldn’t sleep..

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Back in the day, scientologists were ordered to stay away from this movie because it was ‘enturbulating’ too many people getting auditing or on course.

              I never saw it in the theatre.

              The only similar reaction to yours I can remember was when I saw “The Texas Chainsaw Massacre” in a theatre. I had a hard time sleeping with re-occuring images popping into my head.

            • GlibWog

              No kidding Michael.. hmmmm

              Texas Chainsaw.. Nope that didn’t do it for me. Not Jaws.. Nothing.. but OMG the Exorcist.. eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeePPPP

              I made my 2 little ones sleep with me for months..

            • Robert Eckert

              Chainsaw, Exorcist, Jaws, they all seemed corny to me. Silence of the Lambs, though…

            • GlibWog

              I love that movie.. Robert.. Yep scary.. NOT Exorcist scary ..but scary .

            • Missionary Kid

              BTW, how old were you when you saw Exorcist? My theory is that aside from the devout, it had the biggest impact on people in their teens and early twenties because they’re much more impressionable.

            • GlibWog

              Alleged subliminal imagery

              The Exorcist was also at the center of controversy due to its alleged use of subliminal imagery. Wilson Bryan Key wrote a whole chapter on the film in his book Media
              I was 26 … Very immature and Extremely Impressionable.. Had I had the money back then I would have run to a therapist. I was absolutely Terrified.
              From Wiki.. regarding subliminal messages..
              Sexploitation alleging multiple uses of subliminal and semi-subliminal imagery and sound effects. Key observed the use of the Pazuzu
              face (in which Key mistakenly assumed it was Jason Miller made up in a
              death mask makeup) and claimed that the safety padding on the bedposts
              were shaped to cast phallic shadows on the wall and that a skull face is
              superimposed into one of Father Merrin’s breath clouds. Key also wrote
              much about the sound design, identifying the use of pig squeals, for
              instance, and elaborating on his opinion of the subliminal intent of it
              all. A detailed article in the July/August 1991 issue of Video Watchdog examined the phenomenon, providing still frames identifying several usages of subliminal “flashing” throughout the film.[49] In an interview from the same issue, Friedkin explained, “I saw subliminal cuts in a number of films before I ever put them in The Exorcist, and I thought it was a very effective storytelling device… The subliminal editing in The Exorcist was done for dramatic effect—to create, achieve, and sustain a kind of dreamlike state.”[50] However, these quick, scary flashes have been labeled “[not] truly subliminal”.[51] and “quasi-” or “semi-subliminal”.[52] True subliminal imagery must be, by definition, below the threshold of awareness.[53][54][55][56] In an interview in a 1999 book about the film, The Exorcist
              author Blatty addressed the controversy by explaining that, “There are
              no subliminal images. If you can see it, it’s not subliminal.”[57]

            • monkeyknickers

              My dad rented the exorcist on VHS (I think I wasn’t all that old at the time) and was like – come have a cuddle daughter of mine while we watch a movie here’s some chocolate cream pie!

              🙂

              After it was over I promptly puked everywhere.

              God my mom was PISSED. OFF. when she got back from work (moments later). She is a tiny 4’11” albino little lady, but damn she was angry.

              🙂

            • Sandy

              The book is really, really skeery!

              Same with the book The Exorcist

            • Sandy

              And, now that I’m thinking about it, same with Jaws and Jurrasic Park. The movie versions are good – don’t get me wrong. They did good adaptations of all these books. But, there is nothing like reading the books!

            • monkeyknickers

              It’s a great movie. But intense. Like . . . . a lot.

              You should watch it.

            • Casabeca

              Why am I so curious? Watching that was a bad idea ;(.

        • Marie Claire Wolf

          He grew up a puny sized asthmatic inside the cult, and we all know how this went for most, not exactly a nurturing and caring environment. My guess is, that over time, he had to have built this tremendous reservoir of resentment which he could only exercise through bullying behaviors that he learned to calibrate each time, to be of benefit to him. He probably has no real interests outside of himself. A true textbook anti-social personality with, again a guess, paraphilias.

          • WildaBeast

            Paraphilias = ? (Don’t make me word-clear it, please!!!)

            • Robert Eckert

              “Paraphilia” is a generic term for odd sexual obsessions, whether harmless kinks or weird fetishes.

            • WildaBeast

              Ahhh, thank you. I wasn’t aware that there was a technical catch-all term for that.
              I’d also say most people have at least one instance of it 😉

          • Poison Ivy

            Yes, except I believe I’ve read stories that he had those personality traits from day one, as a kid. Remember, he was the wunderkind teen auditor who punched his PC in the face.

        • DamOTclese2

          “What does this guy DO during the day?”

          Slap his crotch repeatedly why screaming, “Stop thinking about him!” would be my guess.

          • Missionary Kid

            Ohhhhh, good snark.

          • monkeyknickers

            I think so too . . . . I’ve read accounts and he is SO OBSESSED with gay sex. More than straight. Every insult, every “truth” he demands to be confirmed under threat of beating (I read this one somewhere where two execs in the whole had to admit they had “ass sex” or something equally vulgar and odd. And the whole “do you still suck cocks on hollywood blvd?” thing. And then he made that woman stand in trash can, with a “lesbian” sign around her neck?

            HE IS PLAINLY PROTESTING TOO MUCH.

            God I wish being gay was viewed as the completely normal thing that it is. Maybe the trigger on this man’s psychosis wouldn’t have been pulled. He’d just be that dick at the office or something.

        • J. Swift

          monkeyknickers, FreakE420 over at WWP did a great shoop that looks like a post-stroke David Miscavige:

          http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/scienowriter/pg061-1_0_zps20435d48.jpg

          • Observer

            Wow! That’s … disturbing.

          • monkeyknickers

            YAH !! That’s exactly it!

        • Captain Howdy

          I heard that he likes to sit out of his large balcony at Gold Base in his underwear with a bottle of Macallan’s and target practice shooting squirrels with his .22.

      • Poison Ivy

        Yeah, “Eller H”. Or “Elar Aitch”, as one of our lost commenters called herself…

        • mpl

          It also sounds like he says, “Ire ess” for IRS.

          • WildaBeast

            Like, feminine ire? :p

            • mpl

              Yes! LOL

        • tetloj

          I’m Elar Aitch….no really

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        John P., it is indeed strange. If one compares this video — which is Miscavige speaking in 2000 — against 2010-2012 videos, one can see Miscavige’s overall public speaking on a decline into a florid circumlocution of Shermaspeak.

        Little known Miscavige fact: David Miscavige has a US vanity patent on a lavalier microphone: http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn=US05455869__

        *****

        There is digital effect processing present in DM’s speechifying. It is called Clearsound. This is a “technology” DM claims to have innovated at Golden Era. Tom Cruise was so taken with Clearsound that he used it in a few of his movies. Tom reportedly felt that his voice was squeaky.

        Tom Cruise used Clearsound on the movie Far and Away in which he starred
        with Nicole Kidman. From a 1992 Rolling Stone interview with Tom Cruise:

        “He (Cruise) did persuade the Far and Away production team, however, to record his and Kidman’s dialogue with Clearsound, a Scientology-developed audio system. Sound quality is an obsession with Cruise. The only time he ever shows any anger is when he’s asked why, with so many great high-tech Hollywood sound systems, he would need to have his own. “There’s no such thing as a great Hollywood sound system,” he snaps. “I’ve done enough looping in my life to know. The sound people in Hollywood are like a priesthood. They’re from another era.”

        His eyes are dark. Gleaming. Laserhead is back. “No one usually gives a shit about sound,” he says sharply. Even before his discovery of Clearsound, he pressed the Dolby system on his sound recordists. “With a lot of them, it just pisses them off,” he says. “And I say: ‘Fuck you, okay? I want the best. I simply found a system that’s better. All I want is clarity on the voice. I don’t think that’s asking for so much, is it?’ “

        • Missionary Kid

          Too bad TC doesn’t require clarity of thought for himself. If he did, he’d blow.

        • GlibWog

          He is such a joy that Tommy Cruise.. His interview with the Stones so true to form..

          ” I want the best and wah, wah… fuck them I’m gonna get the best.. boo fuckin hoo.. my BFF invented this sound system.. and we’re gonna use it.. So There..

        • GlibWog

          HEY 8 … The Last time Tator Tot spoke in Portland you could hear everyone clearly and very loudly, but him?

          Yeah… That is the word on the street MR. You know the time you guys shoooped the confetti, crowds balloons .. blah, blah

          He was veeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrry quiet shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh How come?
          ( I already know the answer I wanted to hear it from you..)

          • Poison Ivy

            That was so Mark Bunker couldn’t record him (and to prevent us on the Fringes from getting our usual J&D lulz in!)

            • GlibWog

              Oh I know PI… just wanted to know if 8 would admit it..hahahha… I thought that was a hoot.. Especially knowing how Tator Tot loves to hear his own voice.. ugh..

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              {It was so he could hear the expected gunshot and have time to duck for the second one.}

          • sketto

            Dictator Tot?

            • sketto

              Or maybe Dicktator Tot.

            • GlibWog

              Didn’t want you to miss this sketto..

            • sketto

              Well done.

            • GlibWog

              That is funny Sketto when I first called him Tator Tot.. It was

              Little Tator Tot the Dictator… hahahhaa We think alike.. He Is a Dick and he is our little Tator.. awwwwwww

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            STOP CALLING COB TATOR TOT!

            For the record: COB categorically denies having ever been been a tater tot, has never eaten a tater tot, and has never done business with the Tater Tot Company.

            • GlibWog

              BBBBBBBBawwwwwwwwwwwhahahhaha… Oh 8 … I pushed your buttons.. From now on he will be my little Tator Tot..
              I thought I saw him eating a Tator Tot one day when he was out back smoking with the SO staff.. Yep.. You know he ain’t the head.. Just one of them.. Just hanging out.. chillin..

            • GlibWog

              For 8 … I searched the web for little Tator Tot’s Baby picture and his first words uttered.. Look at that cute little baby..awwwwwwwwww .. Please feel free to share it with anyone you would like. It is just precious..

            • Captain Howdy

              COB speaks that way he does because he is an Philly bred O.T i.e Obnoxious Townie.

        • Poison Ivy

          That patent thing blew my mind. Where do you find these things, OTVIII??

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      I had to watch this one twice to make sure my hearing was not off. Of note, apart from the ‘Slime’ pushing LSD allegations, the use of loaded term such as: “Final Solution”, the dissembling about the IRS is on a Hitlerian scale, and of course the declaration about major religions being without source material which quite frankly left wondering whether I should laugh or cry. And we get an clear explanation for the buddy-buddy affair with NOI directive T7. As to LRH’s legendary status, one can certainly agree he has posthumously reached his goal in having become the world best ever con artist.
      Lastly these awful grandiose backgrounds in royal blues and golden hues with busy, busy film stock rolling behind now make some sort of wacky sense being meant to convey a hollywoodian sense of being on top of the hill, not unlike the diwan of Middle East rulers.
      No wonder Co$ did not want this on the web, J.Swift is revealing way too much.

      • WildaBeast

        The thought of anyone using the words “final” and “solution” next to each other makes me feel a little ill. Either he DID know what he was saying, in which case he should be drawn and quartered, or he DIDN’T know what he was saying in which case his level of ignorance is so abysmal as to be unforgivable for its own sake.
        Ugh. Ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh.

        • Poison Ivy

          He may only have a 9th grade education, but he damn well knows what the “final solution” is. There are Jews among Scientologists, some I’m sure have relatives who had their own brush with the REAL “final solution.” How disgusting for him to cheapen the gravity of that term.

          • WildaBeast

            How could any Jewish Scilons sit there and listen to that shit without seeing red…

            • WhereIsSHE

              Ummm… I have no clue.
              They weren’t Jewish in their last 1000 lives?
              It’s disturbing, just like so much about those who have traded real values and real human connection for a false promise of eternity.

        • J. Swift

          WildaBeast, the Cult of Scientology has been calling people Nazis for a long time. The Cult once did a rally in Clearwater to protest a local paper doing a negative piece on Scientology. Several Sea Org members donned Nazi uniforms. goosestepped, acted like asses, and attacked the Clearwater Sun as a Nazi paper. The Cult has done this in Germany and generally pushes the Nazi button when it gets caught in anything serious.

          http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/scienowriter/nazis_clearwater_79_zpsc4defd06.jpg

          • Spackle Motion

            This has to be the dumbest footbullet of all time. It really illustrates their inability to understand humanity. I still cannot believe that anyone thought this was a good idea.

      • J. Swift

        MCW, back then the Cult had the belief that no footage of Miscavige’s Nuremberg Rallies would ever leave the vault — let alone be posted online.

        This video is DM putting forth the Church’s post-LRH hagiography, which hagiography puts David Miscavige at the center of all events: Had it not been for DM, the Tech would have been lost, the IRS would have seized it, the Psychs would have won, etc.

        DM’s speech is a bizarre and twisted compendium of lies, half truths, and outright propaganda. If nothing else, David Miscavige is an utterly shameless liar whose Nuremberg stage sets only serve to heighten his breathtaking lunacy.

      • junojones

        The LSD/Time reference is interesting. It refers to the early sixties when LSD was still a psychlogical wunderkind and fodder for the intelligintsia such as Aldous Huxley. At some point, Claire Booth Luce (and perhaps her husband- Henry Luce, IIRC) who were owners of Time-Life in that era tried LSD and thought it enlightening. Now, please remember, their trips were perfectly legal at the time.

        Somewhere later in the sixties, the tide turned and the Luces made an about-face on the subject, as did Eller H. when he got all up in arms about LSD and disqualified people who took it from the bridge (late sixties, ’68?).

        I suppose DM was hitting back for the major article, but the background for that comment is just so obscure that I’m sure it goes over many heads. IIRC the Luces haven’t had much to do with the mag since the merger with Warner in 1990, so probably had little to do with the scientology article.

        It’s 50 years out of date, like everything else in scientology.

    • InTheNameOfXenu

      I couldn’t get past 2 minutes listening to this dwarf’s dribble. That event was a recreation of an implant station. His droning robotic voice and the bizarre visuals in the background was made to induce a hypnotic suggestion. It worked because the entire audience believed his bullshit.

      • Missionary Kid

        I collected “dwarf’s dribble” from you, and it inspired “dwarf’s drivel.”

        • Poison Ivy

          “The Dribbling Dwarf”?

          • Missionary Kid

            One more, and I’ll be at 180. Thanks.

            • tetloj

              Did you get (dic)tator tot?

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks, I added it.

    • LongNeckGoose

      Hubbard did the same thing in Mission; Earth. He called Time/Life “Slime/Tripe” and newspaper reporter Betty Orsini became “Betty Horseheinie.” Very evolved OT form of satire.

      • Observer

        I’d expect nothing less from Source.

        • Marie Claire Wolf

          That’s a keeper portrait! Danke Schön.

          • Observer

            Bitte!

        • Poison Ivy

          Observer, I think you should make some poster-sized versions of that shoop and get them to some enterprising young Anonymeese. Their mission? To infitrate an org (or other CO$ building) and replace their current Hubbard photo with this one….and see how long it takes the staff inside to notice!!!!!!

          • WildaBeast

            Ooooo, I LIKE it!

        • Graham

          Finger-up-the-nose Tech.

      • Sunny Sands

        Betty won a Pulitzer.

    • Poison Ivy

      YES – he does look and move (and sound) like an animatronic. I wonder if he had someone come and coach him in those public speaking stereotyped gestures that he still repeats over and over to this day?

    • Studious Judious

      Right in the middle of his bullshit speech I would love for someone to yell out “Freebird!”

      • Spackle Motion

        Or “play some Skynyrd, maaaan.”

    • DamOTclese2

      “animatronic movements” — That’s a win right there. 🙂

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Thanks Observer, it is 2007 vintage and the music is great for this particular piece. Miscavige has been on a rampage against Time Magazine since losing an incredibly expensive and protracted legal war which resulted from Richard Behar’s seminal piece:Scientology: “The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power. Wiki does a good job briefly covering this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thriving_Cult_of_Greed_and_Power#cite_note-29

      Miscavige, in his Doctor Evil way, ordered Time sued and asked for an incredible $416 million in damages. Miscavige additionally ordered an extensive campaign of Fair Game against Behar. Miscavige, in his typical overspending hysteria, took out full page newspapers castigating Time as a 1936-era Nazi attack pices

      All Scientologists had to cancel subscriptions to Time and the publication was thereafter Slime Magazine.

      • Poison Ivy

        OT8….dare I say it? You sound a little….er….critical of His Holiness Pope Miscavige in the above comment. Don’t tell us at You at RTC are questioning your own loyalties at this precarious time in history??

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Poison Ivy, we are not being critical of COB. We are just in fullblown restimulation over:

          * How the Tech was almost lost to the Psychs

          * How Slime magazine attacked the most ethical group on the planet

          If we in RTC have continuous present time overts on COB, they will never be found as we sec check the sec checkers if you get our drift.

          • Poison Ivy

            That’s a relief. I will rip up the KR I was writing on you…

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Your burlwood pen is in the mail.

            • Robert Eckert

              And I promise not to…

  • BananaSplits8

    it’s going to take some serious mind bending of denial when super power opens and GAT II is released and… nothing happens.

  • Krew13

    Miscmidget always brings the lulz.

  • DodoTheLaser

    How ironic that “1984” prevention vids are now only available on Russian Rutube.

    Golden Age of Tech Phase II – OTVIII’s re-doing Objectives – this will work well.

    Also, IRS.

  • WildaBeast

    It hurts my brain that people at OTVIII can be convinced to redo Objectives (don’t those come before TRs, ferchrissake?!) because of the release of altered tech that should never have been altered, even to replace commas with semi-colons or whatever it is this time. Is there no limit to the cognitive dissonance a human mind can tolerate?

    • VickiStubing

      Doesn’t that mean that the tech was altered under COB’s reign? Oopsie, dear, your scam is showing.

      • Observer

        The original scam was squirreled into an even scammier scam. Davey learned well.

        • VickiStubing

          Too much scam and slime, I feel dirty. Ew.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Evidently, some people will do anything for a tax writeoff. Seriously, if you try and look at it using your logical brain…well, just don’t. I can’t watch the vid today. I’m Still stunned from the affidavit yesterday.

      http://i39.tinypic.com/2ecor2r.jpg

      • mirele

        Hey, there’s my Davey! The cardboard guy turned out real well, compared to the real thing.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I’d say better! Yeah you never know where the guy will show up next. heh

      • WildaBeast

        Holy crap, did you REALLY make a cardboard DM??? If so, it is so much win…I thought that was pure shoop, and then I realized the shadow looked awfully real.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          No, I just used the picture of those who have made Cardboard Dave, often seen at protests and frolicking at SP Parties.

          • WildaBeast

            Ahhhh…but there IS a cardboard Davey somewhere…about 2.5 feet tall?
            This makes me happy.

  • Graham

    I’m fascinated by the way Miss Cabbage talks out of the right side of his face. However, not so fascinated that I’m prepared to sit through the full 15 mins of Slappy-slime.

    Some people will buy into fraud even if there’s a big sign over it saying “THIS IS A FRAUD”. Here in the UK there were reports a while back about gullible people succumbing to various cons over the phone and still willingly going back for more even after they’d been rescued by relatives. Some people were having to stand back powerless as their elderly parents seemed hell-bent on being duped and kept signing up for more stuff even after the con had been explained to them and they seemed- on one level- to have understood it.

    Re Rinder’s tale: it does beggar belief that a businesswoman astute enough to amass the amount of cash needed to get to OTVIII could be that gullible. Accommodation for 6 to 8 weeks. What kind of business is she running that she can afford to be away from it for that length of time?

    • VickiStubing

      “Make more money.. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.” –Hubtard

      She must have followed LRH’s orders and set herself up at the top of a nice little pyramid scheme. ;D

      • Lark Smith

        -or started with a trust fund. Trust fund babies were a dime a dozen at the ashrams I lived in as a kid.

    • Sunny Sands

      Some scientologists have inherited money and/or taken out large loans, and have a business and personal life that is being funded in this way. It appears to outsiders that their business is floating all of this, when it’s not really so.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Add to the mix: those who are rip off artists and change business names like underwear when someone catches on. Oh, and they underpay all but a few and suck their talents dry and spit them out when they start noticing things. Add that and you have a fairly rounded picture. Those large loans are given out by the whales, because still ins are bankrupt or buried in debts and mortgages.
        (btw, the lightning yesterday was fearsome, even for here. House shook and a possible funnel not far from you know where. Tent on the Brain…must rinse.)

        • Sunny Sands

          I thought the same thing since we’ve had 2 nights in a row of heavy thunderstorms.

          • WildaBeast

            I just keep having this image: Sooper Powah night has come. The clams are all in the tent. A huge storm comes up and the tent walls start shaking, and there’s Tiny Tyrant screaming: “Postulate good weather! Eye of the storm! No no no, you’re all USELESS! Why must I do everything myself?!” Then there’s a mass panicked exodus, and the only one killed when the tent collapses is the one man on earth small enough to stand inside his own erection.

            • Studious Judious

              “stand inside his own erection” OMG funny!

          • ThetaBara

            I’m on tenterhooks to find out what will happen!
            Sorry. In all seriousness, I’ve been loving your reports.

            • WildaBeast

              Indeed. And appreciating that she’s taking the trouble to drive over there and take pics for us every day.

            • Poison Ivy

              “Tenterhooks”….pun intended! Nice Theta!

    • kemist

      Success and money have much less to do with skill than it has to do with luck, timing and the exploitation of those who do have talent.

      The myth that you can make it rich if only you were as smart and hard working as them is the carrot rich and powerful people ironically use to lure us poor rubes into making more money for them with our own smarts and hard work.

      Often, when you see someone who seem very stupid and lazy in power, look in their close entourage and you will see the poor happless donkey who’s been doing all the work for them out of hope that someday their work will be recognized. That hope, of course, is laughably false.

      It happens even in university laboratories.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ve found that the really smart, competent people surround themselves with smart, competent people and give them the credit. They are secure in their own abilities and aren’t threatened by someone else.

        The guys that I’ve known who are really great pilots don’t brag. I happened to know a pilot for over a year before I found out that he spent the majority of his Air Force career flying U-2s and SR-71s. He had nothing to prove. He was a hot pilot and didn’t need to show off. Several years later, only by watching the History Channel, did I find out he was the wing commander for the SR-71s.

        • kemist

          I have seen the same thing in scientific research. The really talented and bewilderingly intelligent are often very nice and simple people who will do everything to help you reach greatness instead of crushing you and/or exploiting you to look smarter. You feel it as soon as you step in their labs. Their students and post-docs are relaxed and easygoing and freely talk about their work and often eat together (prospective grad students, this is a big red flag – if his/her students don’t talk about their projects and won’t have lunch together, don’t sign up with that prof, no matter how big a name he/she is).

          But you also see stupid schmucks who do manage to get lots of money in grants and publications by pushing their students into depressions. Often in those labs there will be an underpaid, stressed-looking, foreign (the less they know about local law, the less inclined they are to complain about workplace abuse) post-doc who is the actual mind behind all the lab’s projects and whose career has been hopelessly crushed forever, virtually making him/her an indentured slave to the pompous buffoon who gets all the glory and money.

          • Missionary Kid

            In the first category, you see a real synergy taking place, where people feed off of and amplify each others work.

            In the second, you have a few creative ideas with a spotlight-hogging control freak. I believe the second type actually retards the advance of knowledge.

        • WildaBeast

          I once had a conversation with my dad in which I explained how happy it made me to be surrounded by truly intelligent people, even and actually especially when I realized myself to be truly intellectually outclassed (hey, you notice I choose to spend my time here, right?). He said, “That’s the mark of a truly smart person. They’re never made uncomfortable by the intelligence of others.” I always remembered that as one of the truest things I ever heard.

          • Missionary Kid

            Wise dad.
            I’ve also noticed that people who treat their subordinates or coworkers like idiots get idiot performance. Hear that Davy?

            • WildaBeast

              So true, MK.

          • Poison Ivy

            Wisdom from your Dad, Wilda.

            • WildaBeast

              Yeah. I got lucky with that particular parent 🙂

      • DamOTclese2

        Literally anyone can become rich, the core issue is one of ethics and morality, most people do not have the psychopathic mindset that allows them to become rich by exploiting other people’s work.

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      Inherited business perhaps. Sam Bronfman founder of Seagrams had a famous metaphor: “Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations.” He had seen too many inheritors slowly undo the work and wealth of the founder.

  • Espiando

    There’s something that we Antis could possibly use in the Objective and Purif re-dos for GAT 2: Electric Boogaloo. Whatever happened to the Non-Interference Zone? Hubtard said that no one between the preps for OTI and the finish of OTIII could not do anything except work on those OT levels. Of course, they routinely violate this for sec checks, but {sec checks aren’t auditing}. Does anyone have any stories right now of someone in the Non-Interference Zone being forced back on to Purif or Objectives? If so, that’s a pretty hard Squirrel Hammer for Exes or Indies to wield.

  • Aslansown

    Radar Online is reporting yesterday’s bombshell. Hopefully people who only know the celebrity side of Scientology will start to get the real picture. No credit given to Tony though. http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/09/scientology-court-documents-david-miscavige-marty-rathbun/

    • media_lush

      Rathbun himself had a cosy relationship with Radar awhile back so there’s a good chance they got it from source rather than Tony’s site.

      • Aslansown

        I didn’t realize that. I’m just glad that a mainstream “gossip site” that probably has a huge readership is reporting on all this. I hope it’s opening the eyes of some people who had only heard about Scientology through Tom Cruise.

  • jonzot

    OMG, what if one day there really IS a worldwide nuclear disaster or “natural cataclysm” and Earth is completely destroyed? Is that really all that would be left for future species and/or space-travellers to judge us by? LRH’s crappy books?!

    • Nevermore

      It might put them off eating us… 😉

    • Poison Ivy

      Jonzot, this is something that weighs on me, too! With all the great literature, art, and music in the world – not to mention some much more interesting (and even more accurate!!!) books about world religion than “The Story of Mankind” – I hate to think that after the apocalpyse, those who survive will be stuck with nothing but Hubbard. That is a crime against future generations. I don’t care if it becomes Planet of the Apes – not even military simians should be forced to read that dreck.

      • WildaBeast

        They’ll read two plates, go “Holy shit this is awful” and melt it down to use as currency or something else useful. Hell, metallic toilet paper would be more useful, and I can’t really imagine wiping my bits with titanium.

  • Interested

    I too can’t watch all in one go. Yes he did say slime magazine… Twice followed by Inate sniggers. He then says
    Illegal tax against CO$ WTF? How is it possible that anyone can follow his logic? It’s all over the place. I will get back to this horse manure in a moment. Until then, to all who gave me down arrows yesterday, thank you. I am deeply touched by your thoughtfulness I always wanted his badge of honour… Thank you, ty,ty,ty,ty.

    • Missionary Kid

      Now, I’m starting to wonder if it wasn’t Betty, but the down arrows didn’t seem to continue after the stats had to be in.

      i-Betty came back just as Betty was here, so I filled her in on Betty, of course, making derogatory comments and thinking Betty was gone.

      I’m proud to say that Betty called me a “meanie.”

      • Nevermore

        I wanted to say ‘shame on you’, but I can’t stop laughing – were you crushed, to be called a meanie? That’s an awesome put-down!

        • Missionary Kid

          Here was my reply: Waaaaah! {{{I’m so hurt!}}}

          Of course, I don’t know if Betty is familiar with the sarcasm brackets or not.

          I’m starting to suspect that Betty is just another avatar for the troll who’s been dropping in. The previous troll has used the same expression.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Come on MK, name the other troll.

            • Missionary Kid

              If I don’t put it on a list, I can’t remember it. 😉
              I didn’t put them on a list. They’re not worth it.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I love your lists, BTW

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. They’re a tribute to the creativity that lurks here.

              If Tony says he doesn’t like them, I’ll cease immediately, but I haven’t asked how he feels about them, and he hasn’t told.

            • Poison Ivy

              Ditto! MK is our resident list maker!

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. I’m using a spreadsheet as a database. Some items, like nicknames are alphabetized, others are not. I often grab a term off of one of the lists to describe something or call someone a name.

              If you see a good line, please copy it and send it to me by commenting on one of my comments.

            • ThetaBara

              There was a fake Bob a while back.

            • Missionary Kid

              He was here just before Bob-still-in-but-working-his way-out was here, I believe. I’ll call him real Bob. I’ve noticed that each time he comes back, every time he’s joking and degrading DM & LRH more and more. Psychologically, he’s out, but I think he’s trying to avoid disconnection with a wife or child.

            • ThetaBara

              No, Our Bob was already here, and Fake Bob actually managed to create some confusion that Our Bob was being hooked back in. I remember it well as I was briefly suckered myself and was very sad to think of Our Bob being eaten by clams. We were a lot quicker on the uptake with “Betty” and our own i-Betty.

            • Missionary Kid

              I started seriously reading here about the time real Bob came back. Thanks for straightening me out.

              Clues someone is a troll or a clam or both:
              Starting out by saying, “I’m not a Scientologist…”
              Saying “Every religion does…” (Be aware that strident atheists also use this argument).

              Getting stuck on minutia.
              Insisting on defining terms and words their way.
              Ignoring 50 to 100 years of scientific observation.
              Never using peer reviewed sources.
              Praising LRH
              Charging that someone is anti-religious.
              A general supercilious tone.

            • Poison Ivy

              This is a good list. If you go over to the Daily News article that Tony mentioned a week or so ago, about the Org opening up (er, eventually opening up!) in Harlem, there are a lot of rather sophisticated troll “thesis statements”. However when challenged they reveal themselves very quickly by devolving into the unsophisticated troll arguments.
              “I’ve met Scientologists and they are wonderful people” goes along with “I’m not a Scientologist but…” Also charges of religious bigotry and (as you said) resorting to “Every religion has its critics” or “Would you say such things about X religion?” Also, “Why aren’t you writing about the amazing things Scientology does for the community, with its Volunteer Ministers, literacy programs, anti-drug programs,” etc.
              They are easy to spot because they don’t have arguments, they have pre-programmed answers.
              Like poor Manuela saying “I understand. I see.” There is no original thought going on.

            • Missionary Kid

              Dammit, you’ve got me starting another list. I remember all those trolls. Instead of going back to the original place, I’m gonna steal from you here.

            • Missionary Kid

              For some reason, I couldn’t edit my above post, so here’s the edited version.
              CLUES SOMEONE IS A TROLL OR CLAM OR BOTH:
              They use statements like:
              “I’m not a Scientologist…”
              “Every religion does…” (Be aware that strident atheists also use this argument).
              “I’ve met Scientologists, and they’re wonderful people.”
              “Would you say that about (insert name) religion?”
              “Why aren’t you writing about all the wonderful things Scientology doesfor the community?
              “Why aren’t you telling about all the people Scientology has gotten off drugs?
              “What about Scientology’s effective anti-drug programs?”
              OTHER CLUES:
              Preprogrammed answers.
              Bad grammar and spelling or inappropriate words.
              Using Scientology made up words or definitions.
              Getting stuck on minutia.
              Insisting on defining terms and words their way.
              Ignoring 50 to 100 years of scientific observation.
              Never using peer reviewed sources.
              Praising LRH
              Charging that someone is a religious bigot.
              A general supercilious tone.

            • Captain Howdy

              Brand new account.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks, I forgot about that one. It’s one of the fingerprints that they leave. It’s the first thing I check if I’m suspicious. I’ll put it on the list.

              I rewrote and added more.

            • BananaSplits8

              Cherry-picking posts they respond to is another one. The more eloquently stated, challenging the post, the lesser the chance any of it will be refuted, even with nonsense.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m adding it to my list below.

            • Poison Ivy

              Yes I remember that – Real Bob took some punches all because of Fake Bob’s presence. Ah, the enturbulation!

            • ThetaBara

              Yeah, Fake Bob was upstat that week, no doubt. Not that it lasted long. (Tick Tock!) And we still have Our Bob. I think “Betty” is another sock by whoever brought us Fake Bob.

          • WildaBeast

            Who in the hell is Betty? We got us a Debbie Downer who actually TALKS?

            • ThetaBara

              Don’t be too excited. They don’t seem terribly bright.

            • WildaBeast

              LOL.

            • Missionary Kid

              He is a troll, but didn’t issue any down arrows. Some people think he’s just another avatar of a Marcabian.

            • WildaBeast

              Ahhh, thank you. Wow…a non-silent Scilon…pity I missed it.

      • Spackle Motion

        I’d love to know what stats they try to capture in regards to this blog. I’m sure they tally up the down votes, but there were almost 1800 comments yesterday with countless up votes, and I wonder if they even count those. Probably not considering that all Scientologists seem to ignore what is unpleasant and inconvenient to them.

        • Missionary Kid

          At first, I ignored the downvotes, but now I almost relish them.
          Meaningless stats are not only meaningless, but also the delusional.
          Maybe the down-voter doesn’t even speak English. That way they wouldn’t understand the entheta.

          • Spackle Motion

            I think it is very telling that we only get 1-2 regular downvotes (which is probably just 1 person) because this says that they only have 1 person that they can trust to read this heavy entheta. I would bet that they get many people that blow after reading the truth, so only having one down vote is so pathetic.

            • Missionary Kid

              I had the notion that it might be a non-English speaker, but I don’t know of any clams that are.

            • Spackle Motion

              You’re probably right. I’m sure it is some poor Taiwanese kid that may not read English. Our resident clam-pet, Marcotai, was also Taiwanese….I think.

            • Robert Eckert

              There appear to be two. The one I call “Debbie Downer” mechanically goes down all the posts, sometimes starting late Wednesday but more typically on Thursday, down-arrowing without regard to content, stopping at 2PM Clearwater time. The one I call “Davey Downboy” gives a second down-arrow to posts that particularly offend COB, such as shoops. There used to be a “Donny Downie” giving out a third down-arrow, but only on rare occasions do we see 3 anymore and those might all be attributable to Bunkerites giving down-arrows as an award.

            • Spackle Motion

              Well, there is such a thing as “In Private” browsers (i.e. browsers that can be opened on the same computer profile that does not carry over cookies or other stored data) that would allow the same person to downvote multiple times. That’s why I think it is just one person.

            • Robert Eckert

              If they were doing that they would spray the posts with large numbers of downvotes. And: I don’t think anyone at the top levels of Scientology is very computer-savvy, and I don’t think any of the more competent people are being trusted to look at the entheta. It does appear to me that there are two distinct personalities at work.

            • Poison Ivy

              Yes, I thought that too. Especially the Marty Rathbun entry… any OSA volunteer would have to be very high security clearance – or whatever they call it inside – in the words of Tommy Davis, they’d have to have “the fucking rank” to be trusted to read this blog.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Now I have to go back and red the lat nite chat. I tangled just a tad with betty before I went to bed.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        WHAT!
        I missed a flyby from Marcabia?
        Damn those 1700+ posts!!!!!

        • Missionary Kid

          The guy who called himself Betty appeared late. Suppressive Tomato and Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII and Espiando were among those who took care of the problem. Us Bunkerites were called meanies, but I got an individual one.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Damn, I hate it when I miss him. He is my favorite troll.
            You know he only does it to keep us on our toes? Right?

            • Missionary Kid

              O.K., but he seemed kinda weak last night.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Feel proud. Its better than a down vote

            • Missionary Kid

              I thought about saying that one personal meanie was the equivalent of two down votes, but Betty was so lame, and I’m not better than anyone else here, so I didn’t. 😉

            • Eclipse-girl

              NO, you and others kept him going for hours. I left and got sleep. TY for the good work.

            • Missionary Kid

              I actually contributed very little. It was my little aside that he commented on that revealed he was still around. The others did the heavy lifting.

            • Poison Ivy

              They don’t understand that we consider the dreaded “Down Arrow Tech” to be a badge of honor among the fringe dwellers!

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. They’ve made down arrows a joke, except when the people in the Bunker give them to our Greek friend.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. The personal meanie was given me because I talked about Betty in a degrading way, thinking he’d left, and he hadn’t, so it was accidental.

        • ThetaBara

          We were told we were “losers” for not breaking 1600 comments… then 1700… then when that happened, 1800! Apparently math is not important on Marcabia.

          • WildaBeast

            Because Scientologist groups have how many comments after a post? 13 was the best I saw at BlackRob’s thread.
            {Yep, we’re losers.}

          • Poison Ivy

            Well, you know how LRH felt about calculus!

            • ThetaBara

              Good point! Someone recently pointed out that scientology inherently disrespects truth. Math is some of the truthiest truth out there.

      • ThetaBara

        Betty was downvoting too but clearly not the same person who was doing it before two. Betty must be pretty special to get to actually speak to us SPs.

        • Missionary Kid

          Or an Indie.

        • WildaBeast

          Are you sure they know she’s doing it? She might be so convinced of her own OT powahz that she figures even OUR entheta can’t enturbulate her, so she comes around to strike a blow for DM, the tech, and spiritual freedumb.
          But then she’d have to never tell them anything about it or they’d sec-check her to death.

          • Poison Ivy

            Well, but won’t she have to confess this in her next sec check? If she’s an OT, she’s headed for plenty of those!

          • Robert Eckert

            I don’t think Betty (whom I take to be a Marcab incarnation) is a Scientologist of any kind, but rather a Poe, doing a sarcastic take-off on a Scilon troll and trying to see how many will take him for the real thing.

      • DamOTclese2

        Did that shudder you in to silence, by any chance?

        • Missionary Kid

          As you can tell, I quit the interwebs and now only communicate by telephone. 😉

  • Watergate

    I would happily read a transcript of Miscavige’s nonsense, but I can’t bear to listen to his rapid-fire bullshit, obscured by irrelevant graphics and weird sound effects. Just can’t.

  • Cheryl

    Should be packing but can’t resist.
    That voice, it’s like one of those voice overs for a live action Disney film, the paranoid version where the little deer thinks everyone’s out to get him even the butterflies. I think he needs to get his voice dubbed like in the sound of music, does he know any actors who might be able to help. Although is it ethical to present a false impression to the outside world??

    • Nevermore

      To me he sounds like the guy who shouts ‘Let’s get ready to ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumble!’ before a big fight. I keep waiting for him to announce The Rock v The Undertaker, or something like that!

      • Cheryl

        No, he has a weedier, more boring voice than that. If my kids were still small I’d tell them it was the bogeyman’s voice.

        • Nevermore

          And you would be correct!

  • Ziontologist

    Hubbard always blamed Henry Luce, the founder of “TIME” and “LIFE,” with selling LSD to the American public.
    I didn’t remember the exact Hubbard quote, so I googled it … instead I found an article from SLATE saying the same thing as Hubbard. lol

    Press Box
    The Time and Life Acid Trip
    How Henry R. Luce and Clare Boothe Luce helped turn America on to LSD.
    By Jack Shafer
    Updated Monday, June 21, 2010, at 6:52 PM

    http://mobile.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/press_box/2010/06/the_time_and_life_acid_trip.html?original_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

    • Missionary Kid

      If DM ever experienced LSD, I’m wondering if he’d change his stance on it, or simply hide it from the deluded horde of followers.

      Now that I think about it, he’d just hide it.

      • Spackle Motion

        Miscavige seems the type to have an incredibly bad acid trip and then take people down with him. He would be more dangerous, so it’s best not to entertain that thought.

        • Missionary Kid

          Good points. I’ve never done acid, but I’ve babysat people who have.
          Can you see all of that self-doubt and paranoia amplified? He wouldn’t just be hiring PI’s? He’d be hiring hit men.

          • Spackle Motion

            Yes, he would do some incredibly stupid and dangerous stuff. I’ve been around it too and usually the people with mental health problems/personality disorders are the ones that should never do that drug. He would most likely get increasingly paranoid and then start to react as if he was poisoned by the psychs and then order people to do really awful shit.

            • shasha40

              Would he also wig out enough to have to be Baker Acted to a psych ward ? I can visualize him being carted off to the looney bin mumbling something about Xenu ! Bol

            • Missionary Kid

              I can say the name Charles Manson and LSD in the same sentence all too easily.

            • Missionary Kid

              Dammit, I meant to say, “…all too easily.” I edited it, but that may not show up.

            • Spackle Motion

              Actually, your Charles Manson statement got me thinking…..he actually used LSD to control his flock, and often would dispense it without doing it himself. It would be a very, very bad idea if Miscavige started to use it that way too. I can’t imagine the terror that would happen if thousands of fucked-up zealots started doing his bidding on LSD. Eek.

            • WildaBeast

              I don’t even want to THINK of what that might do. No possible good, only bad. /shudder

          • Ziontologist

            I know … he seems like he’s wound pretty tight.
            Remember when DM spoke the words, “Power is not given, it is assumed”? It was on the way home from the hospital ER …
            Hubbard’s defining moment was a nitrous oxide trip in the dentist’s chair.
            Miscavige’s defining moment was an asthma attack.
            It’s easy to imagine him having a bad trip, freaking (frking!) out on acid.

        • Marie Claire Wolf

          On the other hand, feed him LSD and have him go through the wonderful ‘Stupor Powers’ building’ s apparatuses, that would be very satisfying to watch.

          • Spackle Motion

            Yes, it would be amusing assuming that it was a padded room where he had no access to other living creatures.

    • Nevermore

      As one who had some very good times with LSD, I’d like to thank them!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Ditto!

        • Sidney18511

          Anybody remember “orange sunshine” “purple haze” and the blotter acid with Mickey Mouse stamped on it! Good times in the 70’s. At least I THINK it was good times, it’s a little bit fuzzy.

          • Missionary Kid

            Some wag said that if you can remember the 70s, you weren’t there.

            • Spackle Motion

              What if you don’t WANT to remember the 70s?

            • Missionary Kid

              I was raising a family. I pretty much didn’t have time for drugs.
              I can understand if someone wants to forget a period in their life that now has no meaning.

            • ze moo

              While the 70’s may be nostalgic for some, remember disco/?

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf-myz5I7fg

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Disco was a good reason to turn to drugs.

            • ze moo

              Saint Bruce, the Spring of Steen saved us all.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Speak for yourself ze moo.
              I was saved by the Clash!

            • ze moo

              There are many paths to musical salvation. Electro drums and MTV save us also. British ‘rockabilly’ seemed such a misnomer……

            • Captain Howdy

              Without the Ramones there would have been no Clash, Pistols and about a thousand other bands including U2, The Police,Talking Heads etc. The Ramones were the BIG BANG that created Punk, New Wave and everything that came after.

            • Studious Judious

              And I think that with CBGB’s there would be no Ramones. I do agree the Ramones were the big bang as you put it.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              No argument. I liked the Ramones. But it was still the Clash who really pulled me away from Sabbath and their ilk.

              ^^^ I just wanted to say “ilk”.

            • Phil McKraken

              And without MC5, the Stooges and the New York Dolls, there’d be no Ramones. All the ground-breakers had shoulders to stand on. Look at Look at Hubbard standing on the shoulders of Satan.

            • mpl

              AGREED, PHIL!! 100%

            • Captain Howdy

              But the Ramones created a sound that was completely unique. As Johnny Ramone use to brag, there was no blues in his playing,

            • Eclipse-girl

              Me too. We have all the Ramones albums, too

            • Nevermore

              Sex Pistols for me. I still get a rush if I put Pretty Vacant on – loud of course!

            • BananaSplits8

              The brief play it got during the London games opening ceremony with the big-head-punks-on-springs was epic.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjYhDaF-TYA

            • Eclipse-girl

              When I watched the clip, It immediately reminded me of the Residents.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Ooh yes….that or Submission!,

            • Nevermore

              My neighbour is going to hate you – I am reaching for the Sex Pistols CD….

            • Captain Howdy

              Satellite and Did You No Wrong are my personal faves.

            • Nevermore

              Ah, come on, you love this, you know you do!

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT2daisxdvA

            • Captain Howdy

              As much as i hated disco at the time, compared to hip hop and the rest of the shit that’s on the top 40 today, it wasn’t that bad.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              aaaaghck! Disco put me out of work. Not entirely, but forced to play disco sounds or no work. It was engramatic, I tell ‘ya! Disco…bad, all bad. Also, evil,

            • Captain Howdy

              You should have gone “new wave” like Robin Lane and a bunch of other hippie chick folk singers did.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Now you tell me! I always had sucky agents.

            • ThetaBara

              That’s not really disco. The entire movie was based on an article that the writer admitted he made up entirely. It was based on some mods he knew. And it destroyed actual disco culture which was not macho like that, but egalitarian and empowering to gay culture. Discos were some of the first mixed clubs – racially, and gay/straight. Just so you know.

              Google Nik Cohn (rhymes with con). Ok, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nik_Cohn

            • Robert Eckert

              I went to Heaven, the Pittsburgh club that was supposedly used as the model for Club Babylon in the American “Queer as Folk”, but which was actually nothing like that at all.

            • Poison Ivy

              Actually there was a lot of Italian macho skeezing around the actual Odyssey in Bay Ridge. And in Bensonhurst. But Disco culture in NYC itself was totally mixed and as you said, quite empowering and tolerant.

            • ThetaBara

              Even the Odyssey was 2nd gen. I’m not even gonna comment on Bensonhurst, heh. Straight clubs like that (and the ever vaunted 54) hired their DJs from the best real clubs.
              Also, for those who think disco is or ever was dead: see also dance music, house music, and especially hip-hop, which would just be a bunch of guys yelling if it wasn’t for disco samples! It was forced underground by a macho backlash (and that SNF bullshit) but it never went away.

            • sugarplumfairy

              “Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it”

              ..Santayana (i think)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Correct. You get a virtual cookie!

            • sugarplumfairy

              I’d prefer a burnt snickerdoodle..

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Oooohhhh, yummy!

            • Robert Eckert

              Those who do not remember whether Santayana said that quote are condemned to repeat it.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Santana…still one of my favorites!

            • ziontologist

              Whoa … Carlos! Did you know he married Cindy Blackman?

            • Spackle Motion

              There’s a difference between “remembering the past” and “not wanting to remember the past”. The latter statement infers that one does actually remember the past and is horrified enough by it that they desire to forget it. One that desires to forget an event (or series of events) typically know the meaning of making mistakes.

            • Captain Howdy

              ” if you remember the 60’s, you weren’t there.” – Robin Williams

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks for the correction.

              I do remember the 60s, and I was there. I’ve got the docs and memories to prove it.

          • Ziontologist

            windowpane

          • Nevermore

            For me it was the 80s, with Superman, Black Microdots, and a weird one from Amsterdam which was just letters printed in Gothic script, but was the best acid I ever had. Oh, I miss my wildchild days!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            YES! All of the above!

          • Robert Eckert

            I seem to remember some blotters with Mr. Natural

        • Ziontologist

          So, you like LSD, do you?

          Who doesn’t?

          “I’ve talked to several people who were with L Ron Hubbard when he took LSD.” – Jon Atack

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            What happened to your old AV?

            • Ziontologist

              The portrait of Marc Chagall by the artist Giselle? He quit … and Flunk has writer’s block. How are you doin’?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I am fine.
              How are you doing Z,… since Flunk has writers block 😉

            • Ziontologist

              Thanks for asking. I feel like Richard Simmons. That twerking thing has got me really upset.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Twerking! LOL.
              Mileys? Or just in general?

          • Studious Judious

            I sometimes wonder if the reason LRH didn’t want anyone using LSD is because it would wake up the faithful followers from the mind control/hypnosis.

            • WildaBeast

              Absolutely. If you try and maintain the level of cognitive dissonance that faith in Elron requires, when you’re on LSD, you will not only have a really fucking awful trip but may also never be sane again.
              God, acid helped me so much. Basically let me do brain surgery on myself without a knife – and I got positive results, overall. Best thing about acid is that it’s a drug you can learn from, but don’t need to take anymore once you’ve learned the things you needed to know from it.
              IMHO, anyway.

            • Poison Ivy

              This is actually why Bill W (founder of AA) engaged in legitimate LSD experiments. Not to get high (although come on, he was an alcoholic, and what alcoholic would say no to a ‘free’ high?) – but because he believed that alcoholism was caused by unchecked ego, and behavioral studies had shown that LSD actually helped free people from their ego-based thought patterns.
              Scientology is all about the ego. It’s all about control, and the belief that you control everything in your life with your own Godlike power.
              LSD is all about accepting lack of control.

      • Captain Howdy

        I’d like to thank Ken Kesey and Flipper.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Just say no!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          ^^^ Mother Hen!

          • sugarplumfairy

            sugarplumNarc..

          • sugarplumfairy

            Just want all you acid droppers to know I’m taking names and none of you will be permitted to sign billion year contracts to join the illustrious entity known as the sea org.. And you know you want to..

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Why do you think I took it in the first place!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol.. Good to know I don’t have to worry about you this weekend in Clearwater..

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Absolutely not.
              Besides, I don’t do LSD anymore…I am too old for that stuff.

              Hole has our itinerary planned.
              Slightly delayed though, because our International Guest’s Amtrak train hit a stolen car that was left on the tracks!!!

              Good news: She slept through it all!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I’m still shaking my head on that one!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Me too!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Hey, I thought you’d be power napping!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Nope. Too excited and I took B-12 to stay awake, lol.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Is it time yet? The lobsters are getting thirsty (okay, I don’t really have lobster, but there’s plenty close by. Just wondering if they still have paddleboats on the beach….hahaha. Does your camera have a head band?

              http://i40.tinypic.com/2i9p6yv.jpg

            • Captain Howdy

              “because our International Guest’s Amtrak train hit a stolen car that was left on the tracks!!!”

              Sounds like a classic OSA op to me 😉

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Maybe it was DM’s get away car! heh.

            • i-Betty

              Oh, no! I hope she’s ok. It’s so funny that she slept through it. 😀

              I hope you all have a brilliant weekend. 🙂

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Thanks, I am sitting here in the Tampa train station and she should be walking in the door any second! Yippee !

            • Studious Judious

              Ok, officially jealous now

            • Nevermore

              My heart is broken! 😛

            • Studious Judious

              I was going to every Grateful Dead show I could about the time that I did my short stint with Scientology. I still remember the look on the persons face when I told them how many times I had taken LSD. Utter disbelief.

            • Missionary Kid

              Kept you out of the SO, didn’t it?

            • Studious Judious

              Yeah they never even mentioned the SO to me.

            • Eclipse-girl

              It saved you.

            • Robert Eckert

              All I want to know is: are you kind?

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4-_V__GUro

            • Studious Judious

              ’89 and ’90 had some great shows.

            • WildaBeast

              Best acid trip (by the time I was doing it, it wasn’t pure LSD anymore) I ever had, I was peaking out looking up at the sky and my friend called me over…there was something white hopping across the ground. When I went over to it it turned out to be a scrawny albino ferret, which ran right up to me and into my hands. I kept it for the night, crashed in a park, and the amazing part was that when I woke up, there was still a ferret. Kept him until he died. I have claimed ever since that the ferret is my equivalent of a Native American spirit animal :p

              Only side effect I’ve ever noticed from all the acid I dropped is that I now see a field of dancing dots overlaying everything, but it only interferes with my vision at night.

            • Captain Howdy

              Beautiful story.

            • Missionary Kid

              Those could be the floaters that are in everyone’s eyes.

            • Spackle Motion

              I guess you never tried Disneyland on LSD then, right?

            • Poison Ivy

              Kept you out of the Sea Org, though, didn’t it?

            • Spackle Motion

              I only went to one Grateful Dead show (Sting was the opening act so I couldn’t miss it), and I was completely sober. But if there’s ever a thing called LSD by Proxy, it would happen at those shows. The funniest moment for me was when two dolts that I went with tried to buy Shrooms and bought a bag of dirt. I still laugh at that one.

            • Captain Howdy

              The only reason i would want to join the Sea Org would be so I could take it over and turn them into my own deadlier rogue version like Lore did with the Borg on Next Generation.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I’d join, if you were in charge.. but I’m pretty sure I’d get on your nerves real quick..

            • Captain Howdy

              Nah, you’ve got the right stuff. I can tell through the tubes.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I bet you would make an awesome communicator!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Does that mean I’d have to follow Cap’n to the packie with a microphone and tape recorder?

            • Victoria Pandora

              I have thanked my lucky stars a million times for that rule.
              And I wonder if they realise just how many people LIED about having turned on?
              It seemed to be quite acceptable amongst public as the logical self defense.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m not pro-drug, but I think that was one of the stupidest, childish campaigns. It was age-appropriate for 5 year olds.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Well, considering it was the first thing that came to mind when I was offered a puff or a sniff at social gatherings since I was 12, it worked..

            • Missionary Kid

              Good point.
              I just felt that the campaign ended up being targeted towards older kids as well as young adults, so it became a joke once a drug was tried and the person discovered the initial effects weren’t as bad as was advertised.

              I’m now of the opinion that drug consumption by young, developing people affects brain development. I also believe that a lack of life experience doesn’t give them put the experience in perspective.

              I saw drugs in the 60s filter down from young adults to grade school, and it seemed that as the use started younger and younger that the drugs, which had been a small part of a person’s life who was in their 20s became all of a kid’s life. I felt that a lot of kids were doing drugs because they wanted to act older.

        • Captain Howdy

          LSD is the only drug I would advise people to try ONCE, and only under the right circumstances.

          • sugarplumfairy

            In my mind, the wallpaper of my life is already early seventies beatles and beach boys sounds, huge primarily colored flowers, hot pink paisley patterns, brilliant giant rainbows and talking bunnies with top hats.. It could only be a disappointment..

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Ok, first off…that is scary.
              But you started to get on the periphery of it when you got to the talking bunnies with Top hats.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Ok, back to work.. Hope none of my coworkers read that comment.. Don’t want them to start hiding the scalpels from me..

            • i-Betty

              Hehe 😀

            • jonzot

              okay, THAT’S IT… I keep a jar of shrooms under the bed. I’m making some tea RIGHT NOW. (it’s 10:07am EST, by noon I’ll feel like a million bucks)

            • sugarplumfairy

              Just say no!

            • jonzot

              too late. i just said yes.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              That first awkward hour………..

              Oh the memories!!!

            • Captain Howdy

              Best way to trip in the beginning is indoors, with some people you like, listening to your favorite music. I use to particularity love listening to the Jesus and Mary Chain’s “Psychocandy” on acid. Flipper live on acid was life changing.

            • Robert Eckert

              Add Some Music To Your Life

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBkA4-U4MPk

            • ThetaBara

              Oh, Nancy!
              Like your mom said about broccoli, how do you know you won’t like it if you won’t even try it?

            • sugarplumfairy

              It’s that kind of attitude that can lead to lrh worship.. “Here you go.. Try this training routine.. trust me.. It’ll change your life..” besides, I already love broccoli..

            • ThetaBara

              I was joking about the broccoli.

              Mostly I am still in absolute SHOCK that “Just Say No” worked at all, ever, on even one person. It seemed moronic to me – and I wasn’t into drugs, at all – but really, “Just Say No?” What about THINKING? I don’t mean to be rude but I am either way more cynical than you are, or maybe I was just older when that campaign came out. I hated Reagan with a passion, too, so that may have had something to do with it.

              Here’s a blast from the past!
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaD7W_pVD8g

            • sugarplumfairy

              What about thinking? I did my research.. At fifteen I was reading Leary and Ram Doss while watching my normally intelligent friends get high and morph into dull-witted, dysarthric nymphomaniacs.. I have no regrets..

              And although I still can’t believe we voted an actor into the presidency, I think Just Say No! was brilliant..

              Now, you’re distracting me from my drinking.. (maybe I’m a late bloomer??)

            • ThetaBara

              I’m not saying you didn’t think. I am saying that “Just Say No” is exactly the sort of sloganeering that encourages not thinking. You want to talk about being like Hubbard – “Just Blindly Accept This!”

              I didn’t read Ram Dass. I read The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test (even though I had not the first clue what this “acid” could possibly be, and it had a scary name, but it sure sounded like they were having fun) and then later Erowid and other real, solid information like that.

              I’m not at all saying “everyone should try acid” or whatever. But “Just Say No” isn’t about knowing why to say no. Just say it. Be a mindless robot.

              It insulted my intelligence.

              I won’t even get into the alcohol vs other drugs thing. As a medical professional I am sure you are aware that it is physically terrible for you – and, yes, I do drink too – but, being legal, you can get it on every street corner. And it IS worse than many banned substances. The history of marijuana in the US is laced with anti-Mexican prejudice.

              The thing that most bothers me (even beyond Nancy and her bullshit) is that “Just Say No” really instructs you to shut down your brain.

              That stupid egg ad, the Lou Reed one – they all insulted my intelligence, and really only served to make me more curious about what they were all so intent on keeping from me. Had they said “this is bad for you and here is why” it might have made an impression, but by then I was too used to being pointlessly bossed around by people just because they were older than me, so my reaction was a hearty “bugger off! I will figure it out for myself!” Which I was in no hurry to do, but I wasn’t about to do what Nancy Reagan said, just because she said so. I had so much disdain for her and Ronnie, even very young.

            • Robert Eckert

              A spoof on the “egg” ad: a shot of some pills on the table, and a voice “This is your frying pan”, and then this brain is thrown on top of it, “This is your egg…. This is your egg on a frying pan… Any questions? … Just say ON to Drugs!”

            • sugarplumfairy

              when I was a kid, my parents sat us down individually at the appoprite age and asked us not to do drugs.. They presented their case well.. They said the studies were inconclusive but on the off chance that drugs really were harmful, they hoped we would choose, as they did, not to do illegal drugs.. and they kept a really close eye on us as well.. so I didn’t..

              the fact is, kids make stupid decisions because certain areas of our brains don’t develop fully until we’re adults.. Without some conditioning and guidance, it’s only too easy to be led astray..

              I had no disdain for Nancy or Ron; I was just amazed that he was ever voted into office..

              I loved the egg ad.. Are we talking about ‘this is your brain.. this is your brain on drugs?’ had forgotten all about it..

              Oh well, Theta.. At least we agree on things scientoloical..

              By the way, some of the docs here are telling me there are very recent studies from Norway maybe? that say LSD use isn’t bad for you..

            • ThetaBara

              Well, there ya go. Parenting by actual, you know, parents obviously beats “parenting” via 1980s PSAs! I still thought that egg ad was stupid. It just made me want to eat eggs. (And the Lou Reed one had the total “reverse psychology” effect.) I had to figure it out myself. Fortunately, I did ok.

              Have a great weekend!

            • ThetaBara

              I should also add that by the time I did get around to my own experimentation, I was a stickler for having real information first. But, no one tells me to “just say” anything. 😉

            • Sandy

              “kids make stupid decisions because certain areas of our brains don’t develop fully until we’re adults”

              And, yet, they STILL condemn little kids to life w/o parole for their actions

            • Sandy

              There is a 13 yr old from Cold Spring, MN who thought he was being picked on unfairly, so he took his Dad’s gun to school and shot 2 kids. I tried to reason with the newspaper’s blog up there, but to no avail.
              Murder – they all yelled. The kid got life w/o parole – 13 yrs old…

            • Captain Howdy

              Cary Grant was doing LSD.

            • Captain Howdy

              I was reading William Burroughs, Hunter Thompson and listening to the Stones, Velvet Underground and the New York Dolls. So I never stood a chance, LoL!

            • Robert Eckert

              “dysarthric” is an underappreciated word

            • sugarplumfairy

              I was going to say dysarthric and ataxic nymphomaniacs, but I didn’t want to be obnoxious..

          • kemist

            An untractable migraine headache ? Ergotamines were the only drugs available to treat migraines at some point.

            I have them pretty often and when they are severe I wouldn’t mind a few hours of hallucinations to get rid of them.

            • Missionary Kid

              Off topic: I thought I had migranes, but they seemed to migrate (pun intended) from one hemisphere to the other. Migranes don’t do that. It turned out it was allergies and what I was experiencing is sinus blockage and headaches.

              I figured that out on my own after the neurologists didn’t and multiple tests. (It was years later). I later found out that one of the triggering allergies was oats. I also know that low blood sugar, dehydration, lack of sleep are also factors. When I drank, even moderately when those factors were existent, i’d get one hell of a hangover.

            • Studious Judious

              I use to suffer from migraines. I discovered my problem was caffeine withdrawal.

              I have great sympathy for anyone suffering from migraines. I believe that in the last 5 years research was done to determine if psilocybin was effective in treating migraines. I can’t find the article now, but from what I recall the dosage was low such that no psychoactive effects were noticable, but that the results were that it was an effective treatment.

      • Studious Judious

        I like to think of LSD as a feather duster for the brain. Does a great job of clearing out any cobwebs. Of course you do need to start slow (meaning low dose) and figure out what works for you. I don’t recommend it for everyone.

        Mr. Thompson eloquently said “Jesus man! You don’t look for acid! Acid finds you when *it* thinks you’re ready.”

        • Missionary Kid

          Mr. Thompson also took the self-inflicted termination of his being. I almost think it was out of boredom. I enjoyed his work, but I’d never follow his path.

          • Studious Judious

            He was dying of cancer. I don’t blame him at all.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’d never use a shotgun.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I wouldn’t either, ….But Hunter S. Thompson lived and died by his own set of rules.

            • Missionary Kid

              As I understood him, I would never take what he wrote as anything but fantasy. He lives on as Uncle Duke.

            • Studious Judious

              Hunter used a .45 handgun

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re right. Still messy.

            • Studious Judious

              agreed

            • WildaBeast

              If I’m ever dying a lingering, painful, unavoidable death, yer damn right I’ll deal with it myself before I’m too weak/sick/senile to do it. But no, not a gun. Never a gun. ODs are more fun and leave less mess for your relatives to clean up.

            • Captain Howdy

              There’s always going to be a mess because your bowels vacate soon as you die.

            • Captain Howdy

              Me either after seeing what was left of poor Kurt’s head.

              I own a copy of “Final Exit’ and I have a pretty vast knowledge of pharmaceuticals so I’m all set for that scenario.

            • Captain Howdy

              Me either.

          • ThetaBara

            Arguably. Not to get all tinfoil hat, but he was also in the middle of working on a new book. Some found the timing quite suspicious.

            • Poison Ivy

              An outstanding documentary on the subject – highly recommend.

              http://www.huntersthompsonmovie.com

            • ThetaBara

              My personal theory on HST is that he was truly, deeply, sensitive. That he really cared about what was happening. That the carnage and the callous way the guv was treating the young people was unconscionable, and that it hurt him in deeply personal ways. All the rest was a reaction to that. And he was tenacious. Which is why I have a hard time imagining that he would just abandon his book. It was just awfully convenient for some people to have him out of the picture.
              I also think Princess Diana was a hit job, so do with that what you will.

    • jonzot

      I’ve long thought that Hubbard’s description of the state of “clear” was remarkably similar to the therapeutic effects of hallucinogens like psilocybin & LSD, where the user experiences ego-death and is no longer a slave to his or her “reactive mind.”

      Scientology despises/fears these powerful chemical agents for the same reason it fears psychiatry: It is their COMPETITION. (and a formidable competitor at that).

      • jonzot

        Psychedelics like LSD must be especially threatening to the church because these drugs can INSTANTLY undo the mental conditioning and fear-based persuasion that Scientology depends on. Trust me, give Manuela a small dose of mushrooms and she’ll be out of that silly Sea Org outfit before you can say “eighth dynamic.”

      • Ziontologist

        Precisely. (I like precision.)

    • WildaBeast

      I call epic bullshit. Henry and Clare Boothe Luce were INCREDIBLY conservative politically. I just can’t see it.

      • ziontologist

        Richard Nixon once placed a telephone call to Clare Boothe Luce … she was home, but she didn’t take the call … because she was high on acid.

    • DamOTclese2

      At least the insane fuck didn’t drag out SMERSCH like Eller H did.

  • Truthiwant

    Just looked at the Miscavige video.

    Sometimes at these events, you are obliged to go.

    I was looking through some old papers from my Scientology past and came across this.

    Here’s the translation:

    Knowledge report

    Yesterday,the above indicated person did not present himself at the Scientology Crusade even though he had confirmed his participation and knew how important the Event was.

    This is true

    HCO

    If you look, a copy of this went in to my OT Elegibility File. What this means, very simply, is that not participating at certain fund raising events means that this will be used against you if you want to continue up the Bridge to the OT levels! How spiritual.

    The terrible thing about these events is if you say you are going to go to the event, then you HAVE TO GO, OR ELSE. The pressure that is put on Scientologists, particularly those on the upper levels, is terrible and disgusting.

    • Sidney18511

      This reminds me of something the teachers would tell us in elementary school and scare the crap out of us if we did something wrong….”This is going into your permanent file”. I actually believed that the fact that I talked out of line in third grade would follow me throughout my entire life. It seems though, that in Scientology THEY REALLY MEAN IT when something goes in your “permanent file”

      • Truthiwant

        As you can see, this knowledge report was written in Padova (Padua) Org.

        Galileo Galilei was a professor at the University of Padova. It is one of the oldest universities in the world and Galileo’s pulpit/desk where he taught his pupils from can still be seen in the university.

        Sometimes now I think that these Scientologists in Padova just don’t understand the history of their city and the real minds that made and changed history. Certainly not the Church of Scientology of Padova and the teachings of Hubbard and his lies.

        • Phil McKraken

          Padova is also the location of the alleged and amazingly preserved larynx and tongue of St Anthony, displayed prominently under glass in the cathedral. It’s not entirely enlightened.

          It’s also home to the Giotto frescoes of the Scrovegni Chapel, so credit due.

          • Truthiwant

            Padova also has the first anatomical theatre in the world and it is still perfectly preserved and open to the public. Well worth a visit to Padova and only 20 minutes from Venice.

          • ThetaBara

            Holy relics are awesome (if creepy as hell). I got to see the finger bone of Saint Sebastian once! That was in Spain.

            • Missionary Kid

              Mark Twain had some pithy comments on relics. There was a lot of them that were created in the middle ages.

            • Studious Judious

              heh, I loved reading Innocents Abroad.

              “But isn’t this relic matter a little overdone? We find a piece of the true cross in every old church we go into, and some of the nails that held it together. I would not like to be positive, but I think we have seen as much as a keg of these nails. Then there is the crown of thorns; they have part of one in Sainte Chapelle, in Paris, and part of one also in Notre Dame. And as for bones of St. Denis, I feel certain we have seen enough of them to duplicate him if necessary.”

            • cicely neville

              Did you ever hear the story about the medieval relics salesman who was peddling the head of John the Baptist? On being told that particular church already possessed it, he assured them “But this is his head as a child” !

            • ThetaBara

              Oh, I know that.
              This (allegedly St Valerius) is especially for Howdy.
              Sorry if it creeps anyone out. I just think the fetishizing of the remains is a fascinating phenom. (And I’m not into serial killers… reading that sociopath book explained it all, really. And some people are just broken.) Moar @ the Daily Fail.

            • GlibWog

              Theta.. Nah .. NO creepin out! interesting actually..

            • WildaBeast

              I’ve always thought it was fascinating too – the fetishizing of remains, I mean. Especially the history around them; so many of them were such scams, and there were plenty of people saying so at the time. Still, relics were a huge business for centuries. But in regards to the Catholic Church, I always wondered why they held so hard that a chunk of a saint’s body, after the saint’s soul was very clearly separated from it, could accomplish anything special.
              Never been in a church had that one on display, though.

            • ThetaBara

              They certainly accomplished the collection of “donations!” Second only to Indulgences, I’m sure. In some cases, the church itself sent out new skeletons to “replace” relics that had been lost or destroyed. How does that work?!

            • Captain Howdy

              Check out the Ossuary in Sedlec

              http://youtu.be/XW_gZ83fnVU

            • WildaBeast

              It must have been a miracle…

            • Robert Eckert

              It was a holdover from older beliefs that human remains are magical. I won’t say “pagan” beliefs because “paganism” is often taken to be a particular belief-system (the shared premises of the various European/Mideastern polytheisms before Abrahamic religions dominated) and this belief is more Pan-Human from deep in our past. Buddhist stupas also often keep relics, for example, although ideologically it makes even less sense within the Buddhist context.

            • joan nieman

              I suppose when someone believes that we come back again…they are never really gone, thus, the decorating and preserving of bodies. As for the Catholic church and cloth from the Saints…first of all, they have chosen who is to be canonized and then they expect them to be called on or prayed to!

            • ThetaBara

              What a nuisance that would be, if they could hear all the pleading!

            • Captain Howdy

              Oooooh…me want.

            • Missionary Kid

              Gimme the gold an jewels, you can have the skeleton.

            • GlibWog

              Captain.. what the hell do you have in your mouth?

            • Captain Howdy

              What else would Uncle Fester have in his mouth?

            • GlibWog

              Duh..hahahhaahhaha Just had a light bulb moment..

            • ThetaBara

              I kinda figured. 🙂
              Pop over to the daily fail for moar – or google Paul Koudounaris, who says he was working on a series on ossuaries when he discovered these amazing relics and had to do a series on them.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Where did find that picture of me from my last trip to the mardi gras?! Darn internet.

              Btw, I look forward to the first leaked vid of heir miscfuhrer drunk and losing it on some poor scibot. Don’t you think the probability of that is greater than 50%?

            • monkeyknickers

              I don’t think the fetish-izing (?) of remains is just a thing that happens with humans.

              I think – like in many many other things – we’ve just taken that shit to a COMPLETELY ridiculous level. Well shit – I guess I’m saying we took it from normal mammalian reaction to insane weirdness. You know, like . . . sex. OR . . . food.

              Elephants mourn their dead by touching their bones. Dogs frequently won’t leave the sides of their packmates who die. Monkeys (and I can barely write this) have been observe over and over carrying around the bodies of their dead babies for weeks.

              I actually think this reaction to bodies, to fetish-izing on whatever scale is . . . . a sign of consciousness of death. A sign of “higher thinking” if you want it to put like that.

              Like – wait wait wait – my friend/child/packmate/elephant mama was JUST THERE. THEY WERE JUST THERE. And now it is plain that they are not. What gives.

              I think it’s a sign that we understand life is short, I guess. And we’d prefer that not to be true. Consciousness comes with some not so nice elements. One of them is knowing that we cannot BE for very long. Whatever magic and wonderfulness we embody leaves us. So we go thru increasingly complicated rituals of caring for the vessel, in our grief and confoundedness to explain where the person we know now is, and the fear that it’s . . . . nowhere.

              (keep in mind that I’m an atheist and you might think this is all bullshit :))

              Anyhow, Theta.

              I’ve been thinking on your post for a while now. Thanks for giving me something to chew on while I sit around eating crackers and then puking them back up at intervals. When they say morning sickness, they really mean – morning to night sickness and hey ! it can last the whole fucking time! Good luck with that!

              :))

              :))

            • ThetaBara

              I have hot flashes and they occasionally make me puke, so I feel ya. It’s not on the daily (any more) but when you can’t keep down water or crackers… ugh.

              Also I once kept a dead kitty in my freezer for longer than I’d like to admit (and now have his ashes, once I could afford the cremation) so, yes. I get it. Thanks for your thoughtful post. And good luck with the twins! I am the oldest sister of a set of twins (plus another kid) so, yeah. It’s hard at first, but at least they can’t run in two different directions for a while! <3

              Also, I totally love that about elephants. They have elephant graveyards. And people claim animals don't feel or think. BOLLOCKS.

            • richelieu jr

              Fun Fact: I was thrown out for photographing this exact relic about a decade ago…

            • ThetaBara

              Wow! I wonder how this guy got permish.

        • Marie Claire Wolf

          By the way I need someone to explain what is meant by this: “Which means double since you have to get your twin through.” Twin? What trick is this?
          I thought you could enlighten me, please.

          • Truthiwant

            The time needed is double what is said, 90-150 hours which makes it 180-300 hours because when you do Objectives, you are ‘twinned’ with another person and hence evrything you do to him , he has to do to you. If you remember, they are all those routines of staring at each other for hours on end and then asking your twin if birds fly or fish swim.
            Basically you do it twice, once for you and once for your twin.

            • Graham

              So basically you’re paying good money for what is in effect a self-help process?

            • Missionary Kid

              No. You’re paying good money for nothing: a scam.

            • Truthiwant

              You’re paying good money to stare at another person for hours.

            • Marie Claire Wolf

              I think I am going to be sick…Thank you for the explanation.

            • i-Betty

              WHAT?!

            • WildaBeast

              Claire Headley covers it with Tony early in the Up the Bridge series. I had a similar reaction.

            • Captain Howdy

              There is the “Processing Route” i.e you pay as go and there is “The Training Route” also called “Twining”.

              “Note that these prices are for the “Processing Route” up the
              “Bridge.” Most people get interested in Scientology because they
              want to attain the results promised – problems handled, greater
              abilities, OT powers etc etc. And they don’t really want to wait
              for ages to attain these. This requires them to receive
              Processing. However, as you will see, the price of CoS
              Processing is astronomically prohibitive.

              So what is the alternative? The alternative is to opt for the
              “Training Route.” The idea is that you study how to become an
              “Auditor” (practitioner), and, working with another student you
              process each other up the Bridge. This is called “co-auditing”
              and takes a VERY much longer time to reach eg Clear – you
              could be talking 7-10 years studying flat out every weekend. The
              irony of it is that it is still incredibly expensive to do it
              this way ! It’s not until you actually set foot on this route
              that you begin to see the costs mounting up – you are obliged to
              buy book after book, tape set after tape set, an “E-meter”
              costing up to $3,780, (some registrars will try to sell you two –
              seriously! There is an LRH policy which specifies that a student
              must have a back up meter in case the first one develops a
              fault), a full set of “Technical Volumes” ($2,025), Review
              Auditing – by the intensive – when you and your fellow student
              run into difficulties, etc etc. For the new recruit, the Training
              Route cost to Clear is likely to be around a minimum of $50,000.
              And that’s for essential purchases only!”

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              It’s policy that every auditor has two of the authorized e-meters for what s/he is auditing. Yes the Quantum Mark VII can be $4k each. And, NO, you can’t ‘borrow one’ when you need it. You have to have two *in the session* in case one breaks.

            • WildaBeast

              Eight grand worth of tin cans plugged into a dial sitting in a room so you can ask someone whether birds fly…FAAAACK it makes me want to bang my head into a wall. The wall is probably healthier for my head – and it’s WAY easier on my wallet.

            • Truthiwant

              To be honest, you don’t use the e-meter to verify if bids fly. That’s done by staring in to your twin’s eyes. But it still costs you a fortune.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yeah, they gotta properly fuck you up before you get the cans!

            • WildaBeast

              Fair enough. I kind of knew I was being inaccurate when I said it, but thanks for pointing it out. I just had a bit of a moment there.

            • Truthiwant

              There’s no difference between staring in to somebody’s eyes or reading an e-meter. Both are brainwashing mind-fucks.

            • WildaBeast

              I couldn’t agree more.

            • Poison Ivy

              Yes, a more correct analogy was, $8000 of plastic 1960’s technology so you can ask someone “Recall a time when you failed to change a body.”

            • ThetaBara

              All I can come up with is erectile dysfunction. Or that time my stepmom wouldn’t let me get my ears pierced at the mall.

            • GlibWog

              Bawwwwwwwwwwhahahha Theta.. you just crack me up.. It was the combination of your avatar and the ear pierced part..

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Yeaaaa… ’cause, ya know… they get dirty and smelly and old, like underwear. You keep walking around in the same body for a few hundred years, folks gonna complain.

            • Truthiwant

              And you need to send the e-meter off to ‘Gold’ once a year to get them checked out and certified. This is at your own expense and costs some hundreds of dollars!

              By law, a new product would normally have a 2/3 year guarantee.
              But not with Scientology. After 12 months the e-meter needs to be revised and YOU pay for it.

            • WildaBeast

              In all seriousness, if you have to have two at all times, what do you do when one is off being certified and revised? Do you have to stop auditing while it’s gone? Can you rent or borrow a third to be your second while your second is off at Gold? Or does everyone just get by with one for a few weeks at a time, twice a year?

            • Truthiwant

              I don’t know the answer to that question.
              I don’t think anybody ever bought 3 e-meters. At least I hope not!

            • WildaBeast

              Me too. One is too many.
              I wonder if the indies have a site that tells you how to build your own for $40 worth of materials?

            • Truthiwant

              No need for that. You can get them as cheap as chips on ebay.

            • WildaBeast

              Hmmmm good point. But now I want chips…

            • GlibWog

              Cheap As Chips.. I have never heard that expression.

              I agree with Wilda.. I want chips now too.. sigh : /

            • Truthiwant

              English expression. Not very old but relevant in that if you wanted something cheap to eat, you went down to the ‘chippy’ (fish-and-chip shop)

            • GlibWog

              Ohhh thanks Truth.. I love learning new things.. Happens daily here..

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              What we did in the “co-audit” course room, where a whole bunch of pairs of people are delivering the Hubbard crank pseudo-quack-therapy to one another, we just had one or two spare meters.

              Hubbard’s “Setting Up a Session” bulletin requires two meters, but you can have your expensive one, and then have even the old “workhorse” wooden meter as your “spare” if needed.

              If you are Solo auditing, on OT 3 or above they like you to have at least a Mark 6 as your spare.

              It’s not the end of the world if you don’t have two meters, you sometimes can slip by, and no one notices.

            • WildaBeast

              Thanks, Chuck!

            • Interested

              Please help me understand. Many have gone clear = better memories, not getting sick with colds etc ad infinitum . So surely when they see someone who is clear or OT with a cold, or forgetful or without super duper powers or whatever, they must ask themselves if this tech really works. I know the excuse given by the sO would be ” you pulled it in” but still…

            • ThetaBara

              Why do so many of them still need to wear glasses?!

            • GlibWog

              Interested…. Because it is Their Fault.. THEY PULLED IT IN.. ( as you have stated)
              Hubs Claimed that all illnesses were Psychosomatic. They were caused by weaknesses within the person. Doubting Scn…
              or being around someone or connected to someone who was/ is an SP..
              They didn’t apply the tech..
              Illness was NOT acceptable. It is always the Fault of the person who was sick..
              I forget where in God’s name I read it.. ( Good Lord I feel like I’m getting a Phd in Scn. but I read that being an OT doesn’t mean Super Powers like it used to because it has been proven it doesn’t work.
              I don’t know if indies believe that or the Scn in now. Maybe someone who has that info will be kind enough to post.
              I read something about.. ” No long cause over MEST ” but OT are people that DO Something..”

          • joan nieman

            Does anyone know if LRH’s body was preserved???

            • ThetaBara

              Let us hope not. It was only his meat body after all.

        • richelieu jr

          FUN FACT 2: I am currently making a film about the holiest relic of all.

          • Truthiwant

            Interesting. I hope you’ll let us know.

            • richelieu jr

              But of course! Jesus! Foreskin.
              The only part of Our LOrd that did not ascend into heaven.

            • Truthiwant

              Have you found it, the reserection, I mean resurrection that never went to heaven?
              It was in France at one time. I think a nun ate it but that story sucks.
              Hey, I’m drinking a bottle of Bordeaux 2011 at the moment. Tres bien.

            • richelieu jr

              Bordeaux will get you there all right!

              Bonne dégustation!

            • Truthiwant

              Merci beaucoup!

      • AintMiaBahavin

        lol sidney i believed that line to all the way into jhs then i got wise

    • i-Betty

      Thank you so much for posting this, Truth. It makes me want to tear my hair out when I read your translation, but it’s so important to keep sharing these docs. x

      • Truthiwant

        I don’t want you to have to wear a wig because I post some crazy stuff. I’ve just found another really good doc. from years ago about donating to one of their good causes. I’ll post it some time.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      We in RTC remember getting that KR. COB was very personally offended that you did not attend the Crusade.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Thank you.

    • Theo Sismanides

      The church is doing a terrible job using ethics against self determinism. This is basic. How come OTs be pulled in forcefully to regging events? Thank god, there is the Independent field now where self-determinism reigns. I mean it does reign, lol! We have gone to the other extreme now!

      • ThetaBara

        If they were really “OT” one would think they could avoid it by postulating. Ahem.

        • Theo Sismanides

          OTs are not Gods… do you know anything about gradients? OT is a gradient scale and to just live by postulating is not even fun… OTs are something different which you haven’t totally got, yet. It’s another breed of cat, a more advanced state of being and certainly not a god.

  • Interested

    Ok watched more… Again WTF ? The final solution! How dare he use this terrible term in this context!
    lRH’s works never suffer alteration or perversion! Oh yeah, from what I read the whole thing has been “squirrelled” since misfit has taken over. And yet the “the brain dead ” continue on.
    Snickersnort choke on coffee. “Personal profit is certainly not one of them…” Oh dear GOD this is so funny… Did no one read LRH’s policy about make more money, make others make you more money etc

    Transferring to CTS …. Safeguard…. Materials… Never fall under control of one person! ” yeah how did that work out then?

    • Spackle Motion

      I bet that Miscavige doesn’t even know the context of “The Final Solution”. He quit high school before he could get to that in history class.

      • Eclipse-girl

        You are right, but the use of that term is still offensive. Ignorance is not an excuse. Doesn’t he have anyone proof read them?

        EDIT : I forgot, DM is a narcissist and no one can do anything except DM

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I would say he probably did understand the term and used it for the dramatic effect he wanted.
          He wanted ‘gravity’.
          He doesn’t give a shit if he pisses off, or offends anyone.

          • RMycroft

            Including the Anti-Defamation League.

            Attack on Germany September 23, 1994, Abraham Foxman, Opinion, New York Times
            http://www.nytimes.com/1994/09/29/opinion/l-attack-on-germany-384984.html

            • Eclipse-girl

              Shameless

            • NeverIn

              Ooh, great find!

          • Eclipse-girl

            But I do not think the audience even realized what was said. They have lost their ability to comprehend.

          • i-Betty

            I agree. I’m certain he knew exactly what he was saying. Bastard.

          • Poison Ivy

            Make that “Gravitas”, given COB’s delusional self-regard.

            • Robert Eckert

              Or gravityness, given COB’s ignorance of vocabulary.

        • Spackle Motion

          Oh no! I wasn’t making any excuses for Miscavige. I just wanted to point out that he operates out of ignorance all while thinking he’s the smartest guy in the room. In other words, he’s a complete dolt whose only talent is being an oppressive, maniacal, and disgusting criminal.

          • Phil McKraken

            He’s a poster child for the Dunning-Kruger effect.

          • Poison Ivy

            I think it was Marty (or maybe Mike?) who said the guy is really smart, as in ruthless jungle predator smart. I mean, the guy has remained in power all this time.
            I think the ruthless jungle predator model, however, is wearing down, to be replaced by a big loud whiney baby.

            • Spackle Motion

              Charles Manson was also really smart, as in ruthless jungle predator and his skill set got him in prison. Notice how he has to have a cult following (i.e. where his words aren’t questioned) for him to get notice? He would be laughed out of every board room if he tried to use such ridiculous vernacular on normal, educated people.

      • Captain Howdy

        We covered WWll in junior high.

    • chukicita

      It is my understanding – and I am confident someone will correct me if I’m wrong – that DM and Marty told the IRS director that they’d drop the 2,000 or so individual lawsuits against the IRS brought by individual Scientologists if they’d just give them tax exempt status. I would find it difficult to believe that they didn’t also dig up ‘crimes’ of IRS employees — whether real or manufactured — and trot them out at this meeting as well.

      • Spackle Motion

        There is some anecdotal evidence that they did conduct harassing PI activities against IRS agents and employees. I believe that Rathbun had a direct hand in those activities, which obviously is a very serious, and long list of crimes (some may not have started the statute of limitations). This is why he reveals only so much as to not get himself into trouble.

        As he said in the documentary, “Scientologists at War”, (paraphrasing) “I am not the type to go to prison…I will not go to prison”. This guy wants to protect himself first and foremost which has the net effect of protecting Miscavige’s very serious crimes. This is one big reason why I believe Rathbun to be a huge hypocrite.

        • Marie Claire Wolf

          He will do as much as he can to help his wife who he clearly adores, but he has never really spoken about the various people he directly hurt and hounded. I will say this though, in my view, he is in a similar position as that of Albert Speer, insofar as his own personal guilty. Speer struggled his entire life with the truth, I sincerely hope that Marty finds his way; his personal moral & spiritual inventories is still in recovery.

          • Spackle Motion

            He has spoken about a few (Annie Broeker comes to mind), but it is his right to not go into his actions publicly however it is his duty to make amends to these people directly. From all accounts, either people aren’t talking about it or he hasn’t attempted to make amends. I believe the latter.

            He may help people out of the cult, which he erroneously believes is making amends, but he’s still got an axe to grind and desires to protect the “tech”. I find that morally, ethically, and personally reprehensible. The “tech” has done more damage to people than Miscavige could ever dole out. Propagating this dangerous quackery is as dangerous as it is evil. I really hope that one day Rathbun does enough research (from real scientists and behaviorists) on how auditing, TRs, etc are a complex system of behavioral modification therapies that were never tested, and can be very destructive in human behavior and psychology.

            • Marie Claire Wolf

              Irony in all this: he needs to be ‘clear’ about the truth and its many spiritual, emotional, and intellectual consequences and abandon the worthless tech that made him {clear}.

          • Poison Ivy

            Well said Marie.

      • Captain Howdy

        There’s the wild rumor that the OSA used some really hot scilon underage girl (with parental approval) to entice the Director of the IRS or his son into a hotel room for a In flagrante delicto scenario that was photographed or videotaped.

        • i-Betty

          Bloody hell.

        • TonyOrtega

          And there’s never been any evidence of it. But people do love rumors.

      • TonyOrtega

        Exactly. But that rumor will never die, apparently.

        • J. Swift

          Tony, I never believed that rumor.

          What is known is this: The Church wallpapered the IRS with thousands of documents and thousands of individual lawsuits. The Church also opened up attacks focusing on the IRS’ abuse of power. The Church did this in rabid anti-tax circles in order to fan the flames so that Scientology could claim IRS persecution.

          IMO, the IRS wanted tax compliance and an end to a protracted war with a wealthy and insane Cult. It would have taken at least a decade and cost a fortune to wage a legal battle with the Church. There would have likely been a secondary class action lawsuit filed on behalf of Scientology parishioners.

          IMO, if the IRS had fought its ground then the Clinton Administration would have ordered the IRS to grant tax exemption. Someone very close to President Clinton was a Scientologist and had an in. This is why Travolta and other Scientologists had access to the White House to lobby on behalf of Scientology in Germany.

          The one person who would know everything is DM’s attorney Monique Yingling and she will never talk.

          I think it is important to look for things that would legally prove inurement by Miscavige and then seek to have the IRS impose intermediate sanctions on the Church.

        • chukicita

          Yes, it’s a rumor. I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure, but it certainly fits the pattern of behavior they’ve established over the decades, as well as follows their own written policy. I think Tony nails the real point on the head in this excerpt from a July 2012 column: “Regardless of how it played out behind the scenes, the substantive
          issues that led the IRS to rescind Scientology’s exempt status and deny
          its parishioners’ auditing deductions, have not changed, or ever been
          publicly addressed by the IRS, which refuses to even acknowledge the
          validity of the secret agreement published by the Wall Street Journal in
          1997.”

        • Robert Eckert

          Not as long as the IRS does nothing to dispel it.

        • Spackle Motion

          Tony, Scientology is highly predictable on how it treats its perceived enemies. Just think about the harassment you’ve suffered. Add money to the mix, and they would do anything to attain their tax free goal. Arnie Lerma tells an interesting story about protesting in downtown DC when he ran into a possible IRS official that said they “knew exactly what Scientology is” in complete disgust.

          This is definitely not evidence, but the secrecy around the ROI and the agreement indicates smoke and possible fire. There would be a few folks in the “know” on this operation, and they have very powerful (not wanting to face federal charges) reasons to deflect the conversation and/or blanket you with denials.

  • Spackle Motion

    I’ve read where Miscavige hates when the Fringe Internet (referring to us, but I haven’t worn fringe since 1985) makes fun of his speeches and creates funny shoops of his wanna-be holiness. This is why he had the volume turned down on his recent Portland speech (watch Mark Bunker’s vids from the event).

    So….even though I cannot watch more than 30 seconds of his strange speech patterns and obvious lies, I think it is great that this was posted again. And I’d love for Observer to make more funny shoops out of this video, if possible. I get a lovely image in my head of him going ballistic when these things happen.

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      And we will soon have the longest fringe on the web.

      • Spackle Motion

        Maybe Tony should have the Bunker advertised as “The Longest Fringe” on the Internet. Or maybe we can create a really long piece of fringe, send it to Tony and he can have the bunker put on tourist maps like the Biggest Ball of Twine in Minnesota.

        “The Longest Fringe” sounds like a great name for a bar or band.

        • Marie Claire Wolf

          True, in my city we have a Fringe festival every summer, Tony O. could have a billboard put up 😉

          • WildaBeast

            Hell yes! Only thing is, if it’s Toronto you mean, he’s gotta wait almost a year before it can happen.

            • Spackle Motion

              The next SP party should have a Longest Fringe theme to it.

              I could go on and on about this topic. I’m just amusing myself today…..

            • WildaBeast

              Everyone in outfits that are just entirely fringes from top to toe (with leotards or body-stockings or something underneath for those who don’t want it all peeking out)!

            • Spackle Motion

              This will be my outfit to the next SP party (or Stevie Nicks sing-a-long, whichever comes first).

            • Marie Claire Wolf

              I LOVE IT.

            • ThetaBara

              The trophies could be accented with fringe!

            • WildaBeast

              Ooooh, that makes me gleeful just thinking of it!

        • i-Betty

          That’s hilarious!

    • Poison Ivy

      Aha! So we know that he DOES frequent the “fringes of the internet”! But Dave! Since you’re such a big being, and you read this stuff, doesn’t that mean it’s not the “fringes” anymore, but a COB-approved destination?
      We love that you read our cleverness here. Perhaps it will inspire you (or Dan Sherman) to write speeches that don’t mangle the English language the way you have been, or at least, to stop taking your self so damn seriously.
      Your time is nigh, Davey. “Tick tock,” as Tory Magoo always says…

    • RMycroft
      • i-Betty

        Brilliant!

    • kemist

      It’s funny how they went from “the internet’s just a geek fad” in the olden days of usenet to today’s “the fringe of the internet”, an expression which points out that they have absolutely no understanding of what the internet means (they should word clear that, maybe).

      But even they, who practice an extreme form of cognitive dissonance, cannot deny the influence of the internet – a development their precious leader utterly failed to predict with his “research” (meh) and super-duper OT powerz (triple meh). Which shows that reality does somewhat intrude in their made up world, even if they don’t want it to.

    • DamOTclese2

      The fringe of the Internets have more page views than the scientology.org web site does, amusingly enough.

      • Poison Ivy

        Don’t click on it and give them any more page views unless absolutely necessary!!

        • Unex Skcus

          Unless you use their search box, and search on people, like, Leah, Mosey, Marty, Mike, Lisa etc etc etc? Someone probably has to report the ‘most searched terms’ to the dwarfenfuehrer?

  • deanblair

    At this point I am beginning to take the viewpoint that anyone still supporting the Church of Scientology and its leader deserve everything they are going to get.

    • Missionary Kid

      I almost have that attitude, but then I remember that there’s enough suffering in this world, and we don’t need more suffering to rain down on humanity. Exception: Criminals like Der Dwarfenfuehrer.

    • shasha40

      Most joined the church to be better able to help others , based on the Lies told to them by COS . Then they’re groomed( insert whatever nice name you’d like for , brainwashing ) to reject anything and everyone in the wog world and follow without question . Tiny Dick deserves everything that is coming his way, but I have nothing by empathy and a heavy heart for those who are still in, trying to ( in their minds ) assure their salvation , especially those born into it. :'( Tick,Tock Tiny dick …

      • Missionary Kid

        Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock, Tiny dick

        We all know – you’re just a prick.

    • L. C. Spencer

      That’s understandable, but then if you look at that “Intervention” video recently posted by Tony, it’s clear that they still have the ability to rope in impressionable, idealistic youth in an incredibly rapid and overwhelming way. Those poor girls were sucked into the cult by their best instincts, not their worst ones, and one of them is still convinced she’s saving the world from the ultimate evil. The huge majority of Scientologists are hoodwinked, not cynical exploiters. If you’ve never been brainwashed it’s hard to realize how easily it can happen to ANYBODY.

      • deanblair

        Well I understand but I was in for 40 years myself and had trained up to be a class 9 auditor. When all of these crazy orders started coming down such as not being allowed to have children if your in the SO and if you do, you have to abort it or suffer penalties. Not paying the staff at AOLA even though there were plenty of finances. Ordering people to re-do objectives even after they had EPed it years ago. Heavy concentrations on sec checking. Hundreds of crazy outpoints all violating what Hubtard himself said in all of his policies and technical bulletins. The Scientologists, many who have been in for many years, are all violating those policies and they aren’t doing anything about it. After seeing the craziness many years ago I sought and found other sources of information on the internet even though I was a true believer. I found far more than I could possibly have imagined.

        For those new to Scientology I have sympathy but to those who are holding onto their false beliefs after having seen what was going on in Scientology for so many years I do not. They have seen the changes and the blatant alterations and just keep on drinking the Kool Aid. Those people need to get some backbone and confront the little midget who is destroying them and get some integrity back. Remember what Hubtard said many years ago. “No mamby pamby bunch of panty waist dilettantes ever amounted to anything.” So those who have been in for so long should quit being a bunch of mamby pamby panty waist dilettantes and start handling the little asthmatic dwarf from within.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          They’re all groping for the golden ring, the Super Powers and don’t care who they have to run over to get in there. I seriously expect massive mental breakdowns when they find out what it really is and especially what it isn’t. I have empathy, but no sympathy. I know what they have done to get here.

          As you say, the exception is those who were born into it. When They find out too, they are going to be looking at their parents and/or grandparents and all the vet whales and veteran sci celebrities in an entirely new light. It’s not going to be pretty.

          • Poison Ivy

            Also, remember that the deeper we go into a delusion, the more imperative it seems to us to be able to hold on to it. Thus the tendency to commit even more fervently to a huge life mistake rather than do the major overhaul necessary to correct it.

        • chukicita

          Stanley Milgram’s experiments go a long way to explaining why this happens.

          • Studious Judious
            • i-Betty

              That’s the first time I’ve watched the video. I just couldn’t bring myself to watch it before now because I knew what it would prove: how easily swayed by authority intelligent, educated, kind, NORMAL people can be and that really frightens me.

              Seriously fascinating viewing, however.

      • RMycroft
        • i-Betty

          “Brian’s mother: He’s not the Messiah. He’s a very naughty boy! Now, piss off!”

          If Davey’s mum had spoken about him thusly at an early age, rather a lot of trouble might have been prevented.

          • Robert Eckert

            She called him “Little Hitler”

            • WildaBeast

              As a…compliment? Or because she was justifiably terrified of what she’d brought into the world?

            • Captain Howdy

              It was because he ordered his Mother and Father to get a divorce.

            • WildaBeast

              Please excuse me while I clean up the bits of my brain that just exploded all over the room. Well, I wanted an excuse to mop the floors…
              That is so weird I don’t even have words.
              My wife thinks you’re joking. I think you’re probably not. Care to settle the bet for us?

            • ThetaBara

              Remember: it’s always worse than you think.

              Also, check out the Lawrence Wright book. You and Mrs Beast are in for some surprises.

            • WildaBeast

              My poor wife. She looks SO disturbed right now and I can’t stop laughing at her expression. I win the bet. She doesn’t know it, but the winner takes the blankets *evil grin*

            • ThetaBara

              I’ve clued Mr Bara in gradually. He went from thinking I was nuts to laughing at the latest shoops along with me. You can’t really give too much info out at once or it sounds like it couldn’t all possibly be true.

            • Poison Ivy

              A year ago at this time (not long after I first wandered out to the fringes…), Mr. PI thought there was something dreadfully wrong with me. Then he read the Tom Cruise dating piece in Vanity Fair. Then we saw “The Master” and I filled him in on what about it was real. Then I got him to read Lawrence Wright. Now he occasionally lurks on the Bunker – but he still finds it all just so head-exploding and I think it just disturbs him on a very, very deep level. He’s a hell of a decent person and this kind of evil really shakes him to his core.

            • Captain Howdy

              Not joking. They got a divorce and Dad was made to join the Sea Org.

          • Poison Ivy

            Biggest laugh o’the day, Betty!

  • chukicita

    Back in the mid-90s I spent about a month of lunch hours going through Lexis-Nexus and finding media articles about Scientology in Clearwater as an attempt to begin to construct a history of Scientology’s impact on Clearwater.
    I remember more than one article – perhaps Clearwater Sun or other local papers – discussing Scn’s absolute refusal to pay taxes on properties owned there *since their establishment in CW*, citing an ongoing argument with the IRS as the reason for not paying. Not only were they fighting their paranoia-fueled ‘war’ against the delusionary Axis of Evil Psychs/IRS/Time Magazine , they NEVER paid property taxes in Clearwater on properties they deemed as being for religious use.

    • chukicita

      Oh, and thanks for this, JSwift 😀

    • RMycroft

      The IRS agreement torpedoed the long fight over property taxes.

      “The city has not received property taxes from Scientology during the 11-year battle over whether the group’s property should be tax exempt, and any tax money the city would have gotten would have been an unexpected bonus, said Finance Director Dan Deignan.

      “But Deignan figures that if the IRS decision had gone the other way, the city would have been in line for nearly $2-million in back taxes on the more than 11 Scientology-owned properties, valued at $25.4-million.”

      Clearwater changes foreseen from ruling October 14, 1993, Ned Seaton, St. Petersburg Times
      http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/access/51776301.html?dids=51776301:51776301&FMT=FT&FMTS=ABS:FT

      • ze moo

        ‘Tax exempt’ properties still pay for water, trash pickup and most, if not all have to contribute towards police and fire services. Don’t they??

  • BosonStark

    What % of clams read the Behar Time magazine article anyway? The title alone would have been enough to knock a clam off the bridge to total Xenu.

  • Cat Daddy

    DOWNLAOD AND DESSIMINATE ANONS.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    There are people who have been in it so long that their brains have been fried like strips of bacon. It must be even worse when you’re brought up in it and have no perspective or before and after. Miscavige was very young when he became an apprentice of L.Ron.

    I remember a point where I was lying to people to justify my foolishness (something I am in no way proud of). But I also thought that the higher ups (most everybody) were telling me what they believed, or, at worst, taking common phenomenon and exaggerating them to fit L.Ron’s cosmos.

    Maybe Davey is sharper than I thought. Maybe he sat at the stinking feet of the Master, and said, “Golly, gee, this guy is a transparent liar and egomaniac but he is rolling in lucre. And while I am having a horrible time trying to score with even the plainest of my fellow messengers, they are giving L.Ron everything he wants. Hi, diddle, dee dee, a cult leader’s life for me!”

    At that point, maybe Miscavige decided that it was OK to make stuff up. Maybe he thought that it was the highest act of creation. Maybe he thought that if everyone believed his baloney, it would actually be true. Up until now, I really thought that he was sincere but horribly misguided.

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      Or maybe he thought he could outdo the old goat.

    • Captain Howdy

      Hubbard was the Mad Hatter..D.M is the Cheshire Cat.

      • Suppressive Tomato

        Fitting that Scn has a recording studio by the name of Mad Hatter.

        • Captain Howdy

          Fitting also that one of the TR drills involves reading excerpts from “Alice In Wonderland”.

    • Poison Ivy

      Thus his post-asthma attack revelation, “Power is assumed” http://www.scientology-cult.com/secret-history-of-david-miscavige.html

  • dwayners13 .

    And all of you “fringe of the Internet suppressive wogs, with your mood stabilizing drugs & subscriptions to Slime magazine” thought the IRS battle was just about, “making money, making more money & making other people make money” for the church. Now can you see that our Dear Leader was simply trying to ensure that when you saved enough money &/or secured a high credit limit, got access to your trust fund/inheritance &/or won a lottery, the tech, written by the greatest thinker & humanitarian ever to exteriorize on Teegeeack would be waiting for you, in it’s purest form, for a outrageously reasonable price which, again thanks to COB is tax deductible. So if, in the course of salvaging humanity, COB had to crack a few skulls, lie, cheat, steal, defraud, con, exaggerate, deceive, betray, frame people, engage in corruption, crack a few more skulls & mentally/emotional/physically torture people in a building called the hole (& I’m not say he did) it was purely & solely because he just wanted to salvage Teegeeack & all the worthless, expendable & exploitable low-life, little beings on it. Well, I hope you realized just how misguided & suppressed you all are.

    • Nevermore

      Frankly, an eternity of no drugs, lots of drudgery and turning up at his ‘special events’ I can do without!

      • WildaBeast

        Just the bit about ‘eternity of no drugs’ had me shuddering. But to be at one of those events SOBER?! No. Just absolutely not. I can’t even imagine how the poor clams manage it.

        • Robert Eckert

          Being at one of those events sober would certainly feel like an eternity.

  • media_lush

    Interesting tidbit re Rathbun affidavit – I don’t think any actual dollar figure was mentioned in the documents or Tony’s piece but this official site lists this:

    “Rathbun seeks actual and exemplary damages of more than $1 million for intentional infliction of emotional distress, invasion of privacy and tortious interference with contract.”

    http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/09/05/60863.htm

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I cannot imagine Mosey settling with Miscavige for a small sum.
      If anyone knows how much Debbie Cook and the PI’s walked away with……It is Ray!
      That seems absurd to me.

      Of course, they worded it as “damages of more than $1 million”….so, yeah.

      • Missionary Kid

        Am I right in saying that it’s only actual damages, while punitive damages can be far more?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          It says actual and exemplary damages. Exemplary are punitive damages….so… yes.

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks.

      • Captain Howdy

        With all the evidence they have and if Miscavige is required to appear in court, I could see Monique demanding an 8 figure pay-off from D.M in private and getting it, without a NDA.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Me too.

          • Captain Howdy

            There could be a NDA as far the financial terms of the settlement would be concerned.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yeah, and that part is likely.
              But there will be no gag order.
              I would bet on that.

    • Robert Eckert

      She does not name a specific amount, saying “more than $1 million”, because “exemplary” (synonym of “punitive”) damages can be as large as the jury feels like awarding; and because, if she names a specific amount and the {church} offers that amount, maybe with some unacceptable conditions, the court might press them to settle.

      • Eclipse-girl

        HI Robert, I never said TY for yesterday and defending me against Clymoldi (or something like that) I do appreciate it.

        • Robert Eckert

          Usually when I try to snuff out incipient flame-wars, it just turns into a flame-war about me and who the hell am I to play the police etc., and yesterday was no exception, but I guess it has become one of my roles here, along with my YouTubeGoogleFu for appropriate snatches of video or trivia.

          • Eclipse-girl

            You didn’t deserve being attacked and neither did I.
            It wasn’t a joke.
            It was someone trying to bring politics into the situation. That is just plain dumb.

            I live in Wis. We have become a VERY polarized state. Unfortunately our nation appears to be polarized. There is NO NEED for the bunker to become polarized, unless the motive is to destroy it.

            • ThetaBara

              Yeah, Obvious Troll was Obvious. Good job on the shutdown you two.

  • scnethics

    I’m thankful for the elaborate project to preserve Hubbard’s words. I hope it survives forever as a monument to (and reminder of) human gullibility.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Finally! Someone found a “valid” reason for Hubbard’s verbal vomit.

      Good job.

      • Missionary Kid

        Oooh! Verbal Vomit. Wasn’t on the list. Thanks.

        • i-Betty

          I like:

          Captain Howdy – Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          • 2 hours ago

          Hubbard was the Mad Hatter..D.M is the Cheshire Cat.

          • Missionary Kid

            Sounds good. Unfortunately, my image of the Cheshire cat is of the Disney grin, which is too benign for DM. I’ll put them in anyway.

        • Robert Eckert

          Did you get dagobarbz’s “Scientology: making the less able unstable” from last night?

          • Missionary Kid

            No, I didn’t. I’ll add that to my list.

  • 0tessa

    Miscavige: “… the war is over!” Oh yeah? I think it has just begun.

    • WildaBeast

      Something something win the battle lose the war something something…
      Oh wait, Tiny Dick probably hasn’t heard that one. Damn, the things you miss when you only get through ninth grade!

  • Captain Howdy

    Thanks to Jay for preserving this historically important artifact, but I would have enjoyed it more without the techno, trance, house, hippity-hopper dance muzak. Just my taste.

    • Observer

      I’m not a fan of the music either, but IMO it’s perfect for subject matter.

  • Sarcasmo

    I love that Tony and Mike Rinder have a network of tipsters INSIDE the “church.” How crazy making must that be for Miscavige every time he reads these blogs or has their content reported to him? People high enough up the bridge that they have friends who are OTVIII, disgruntled enough to routinely go behind the back of Miscavige and the “church” to let us all know through Tony, Rinder, and others, just what flavor of crazy is going on in there.

    HaHaHaHaHaHa!

    • Studious Judious

      OMG I love it too. Especially today on Rinder’s blog. That letter was dated yesterday, and the first line is that it is not to be broadcast. LOL

      It makes me wonder if people are getting sec checked like crazy as they try to find the moles.

    • ze moo

      It is so much fun to mess with the paranoid. ‘Sec checks’ for everybody…..

      • ThetaBara

        I feel bad for the poor bastards who have to endure the Wrath of Miss Cabbage. It’s why I’m not harder on the trolls. Can you even imagine what must have happened to whoever had to report yesterday’s news to him? Personally, I’d rather not.

        • ze moo

          Until people are willing to stand up for themselves, they will be victimized.

          • ThetaBara

            True. But that doesn’t mean I want to have a hand in that kind of abuse.

    • Sidney18511

      tnot to mention how frightening it must be for little Davey to KNOW that there are so many SPs hanging with the oat teas. Everybody in the hole! The little dude must be getting ready to snap, or follow in LRHs footsteps and say he is stepping down and run things from somewhere over the rainbow.

  • Sarcasmo

    “Here, watch Miscavige say it in his own words…” (written for him by Dan Sherman).

  • ze moo

    So many outright lies in Davey’s speech.

    1. Alliance of psychiatric ‘merchants of death’ was being kicked about by CO$. Bullshit, the 90’s were great times for psych drugs. Lithium and other drugs came near to curing depression for everyone. Clozapine actually cured some schizophrenics, pity it is hard on the liver and expensive to monitor. Profits for ‘psych’ drug companies were through the roof in the 90’s. Psychiatry treats hundreds of thousands, if not millions of patients every year. How many survive CO$ mental health treatments?? Lisa MacPherson might testify, oh wait, she’s dead.

    2. Time magazine was harassed and sued, but didn’t pay CO$ anything. But then CO$ didn’t pay Time anything either. LSD?? That drug was passe by the 90’s.

    3. ECT and lobotomy?? Lobotomy was very rare by the middle of the 60’s, hardly ever done for psych reasons by the 80’s even rarer in the 90’s.

    4. The IRS cowed by Miscavige?? Please, make me laugh some more. Pity the IRS doesn’t really enforce the 93 agreement, $camatology seems to be in default of many provisions.

    Golden Age of Tech 2?? How versions will there be after 2? As many as the clamdom can pay for, Davey’s scotch supply can’t run low. The most secure job in CO$ is turd polisher, if you can avoid the ‘hole’.

    • Missionary Kid

      I believe lithium is used for bipolar disorder, rather than depression.

      • ze moo

        It is used for both. Originally, it was used for depression but then ‘off the label’ experiments found it useful for bipolar disorder. Clozaril (clozapine) was originally used for schizophrenia, but in low doses was found to be very useful for anxiety disorders, without the liver side effect.

      • Robert Eckert

        Correct. Prozac was the first medicine to have much effect on unipolar depression.

  • The irony is that LSD would likely make a normally intolerable Scientology event rather enjoyable (or at the least much more interesting)

    • Missionary Kid

      Or terrifying.

      • Eclipse-girl

        At least hide all the weapons before you dose the clams.

        • Missionary Kid

          But, but, but…that won’t do any good, because they’ll unleash all of their super dooper powers for evil. We’d be doomed anyway.

        • Robert Eckert

          It would be an interesting experiment to put LSD in the water supply for Flag and the Fort Harrison.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m trying to be careful not to suggest it, because their paranoia would cause them to attack us for even discussing it.

            • Robert Eckert

              Who, me? I would never suggest any such thing! I am merely proposing an interesting hypothetical for discussion.

            • Missionary Kid

              I know. In any event, the dilution means that a massive amount would be needed, because most water gets used in showers or flushed down the toilet.

            • Studious Judious

              and the chlorine would destroy the lsd molecule anyway

            • Missionary Kid

              I didn’t realize it was that weak, because I would suppose that regular drinking water would destroy it. The concentration of chlorine in drinking water is only slightly lower than what is in the pipes, due to aereation.

          • Nevermore

            Interesting, but cruel, I think. I liked to be mellow, in a good place, with good people before I dropped mine. I don’t think Flag or Fort Harrison meet those criteria…

          • Studious Judious

            What a waste of good acid.

          • Sidney18511

            Ha…their already tripping I the tek!

    • ze moo

      Listening to the Jive Aces is the definition of a bad trip.

  • pronoia

    Thank you J. Swift. What a great find that video is — and the production is excellent!

    It really shows how crazy this cult is. And how offensive, on so many levels.

  • Gib

    Too funny. The War, yah right. It’s all a mocked-up game to built up cash reserves.

    Here’s what hubbard said back in 1952:

    “There is no reason why I should be mad at psychiatrists. Really, the sensible thing for me to do about psychiatrists is simply go over and talk to them, make a couple of patients well, show them how they can make bigger fees, pat them all on the head, and you’ve got Dianetics and psychiatry. But there is no randomity there……..”

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?11823-The-Lies-and-Deceit-of-the-Church-of-Scientology&p=838645&viewfull=1#post838645

    So hubbard in that statement is basically saying dianetic was not being attacked, but he attacked to create a game for his shore stories, to make it sound like dianetics was all powerful technology that was here to save mankind and the AMA & psych’s were out to destroy it. LOL.

    So, why doesn’t DM have a few class 12 auditors go over to the pysch’s & AMA and make a couple of their patients well? That would end the war, no. LOL

  • Nevermore
    • sugarplumfairy

      Lol.. I think i remember sometime over the past year that guy posted his video here at the bunker one night and everyone was complimenting him on it.. It may have been at Tony’s VV blog..

      • i-Betty

        It was here, Fairy, and I think it was in the Spring. And I remember thinking it was for real so I was quite abusive about the socks’n’shorts combo which I bitterly regret now that I know this was actually a brilliant parody 😀

        • ThetaBara

          No, don’t feel bad. That’s totally fair. They also made pretty egregious use of the star filter, which, whatever – but really. Black socks (pulled up! Why do they do that?) are Not OK with shorts.

          • sugarplumfairy

            his outfit was the best part!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yep, Tony posted him and then he showed up!
              He looks like Mr. Nuts.

            • Casabeca

              Say it isn’t so! Mr Nuts must look like Braveheart or at least Sean Connery in his prime. Or an older Paulo Nutini?

  • Suppressive Tomato

    For your morning enjoyment and contemplation: the cover of an early Advance! magazine issue, circa 1968. In it you can see some happy souls who have turned around and are walking back down the Bridge, away from the absolute literal hell of Scientology.

    • Observer

      Speechless.

      • Suppressive Tomato

        Hubbard had an amazing flair for irony.

        • Observer

          And yet he was utterly oblivious to it. I wonder if the unintended irony was a result of one of his BTs messing with his case.

    • Nevermore

      I like the green monster…thingy…

      • Observer

        Is it a BT or a psych? I can’t tell.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          It’s a journalist. The scientologist is freaked because he asked him a question.

          • Observer

            Hmm … maybe someone had skipped ahead on their whole track to see Scientology in 2013. So the green thing would be a reg, the Venus flytraps are the circus tent guard dogs, and the rainbow people on the golden bridge are the ones on their way out.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I like that version best!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I like the black venus fly traps.

        • sugarplumfairy

          I like the fairies..

          • cicely neville

            Of course you do, dear. But I rather think those are angels.

            More proof that this is a {religion}: Angels, devils, man-eating Venus flytraps; except for the fat cherubs, this looks just like Chick Publications.

    • Ziontologist

      That’s a beauty.

    • DamOTclese2

      Niagra Falls! Sloooowly I turned…

      • Eclipse-girl

        step by step

    • J. Swift

      Looks like the Scientology cover artist had some wholetrack experience with Absinthe and the art of William Blake and Hieronymus Bosch. It’s an interesting cover that would never get by today.

      http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/scienowriter/New_Absinthe_Fairy_by_jesselindsay_zpsa06b6095.jpg

  • Missionary Kid

    This is what Davey wishes he could to to us…
    http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2013/09/06

  • pronoia

    For off-topic amusement: 14 Authors behaving badly on Huffpo. LRH is on the list:

    “You don’t need to read Lawrence Wright’s “Going Clear” to know what how unorthodox this man was (although it’s a really great book, so we still recommend it). According to the book, he treated his children and both of his wives miserably. Oh, yeah, he also used his religious movement to get millions of dollars from vulnerable people. The lies didn’t stop there. He essentially fabricated every single part of his past to his followers. We guess the science fiction writing rubbed off on him.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/jerk-authors-_n_3873354.html

    • i-Betty

      Fantastic! There really are relatively few places left for CoS to hide out in Media-land these days.

      • We have the semi-monthly library sale tomorrow, and we’re putting all the shrink-wrapped LRH books in the free pile. We also have a CD of a “Multicast” production of a LRH Western oater involving her Majesty Nancy Cartwright, you’d think they’d know how to sling the showbiz lingo with a major start like her involved in the production.

    • WildaBeast

      I go back and forth with my opinion of HuffPo (well, really mostly on my opinion of Ariana Huffington), but this made me think kindly of them both. 🙂

    • ThetaBara

      Actually he treated all three of his two wives miserably. The “there was no second wife” basically blew with her kid and her handbag, dashing across the tarmac to a plane.

      • WildaBeast

        Smart lady!

        • ThetaBara

          I’m pretty sure it’s all in Wright.

          • WildaBeast

            Really need to get a copy of that. I kind of owe the library some money from 6 years ago so I can’t go take it out until I can afford to pay them back 🙁

            • i-Betty

              Haha, uh-oh! We have a couple of extremely passionate librarians, and parents of librarians, here at the Bunker. They’re going to be coming after you! 😀

            • Robert Eckert

              You’ve have a lot of fines, mister…

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkSESOtkRj8

            • WildaBeast

              I know, I felt awful about it. It was a shitty roommate who moved out mid-month on six days’ notice and nicked a couple books by mistake, then stopped answering my calls, so I couldn’t get them back AND couldn’t afford to repay the library their full value. 🙁 🙁

              I LIKE libraries, dammit! I don’t want them to be mad at me…

  • i-Betty

    J. Swift, you rock! I had no idea you’d been making activist videos for so long. Thanks a million for pulling this one out of your archive. 🙂

  • Tone

    Kudos to anyone who can actually stomach listening to that bloviating windbag for fifteen minutes.

  • WhereIsSHE

    Well, you have to hand it to him. He knows his drooling audience well.

    It’s a vampire culture, and the “tech” is the blood. Without it, they fear they will die, just like the rest of us– and will be “ordinary” human beings, just like the rest of us.
    The whole thing is so childish in the end.

    And if people believe that by answering the same sets of questions a thousand times– and yelling at ashtrays, blahblahblahhhhh– is going to magically transform them into some superior being who will live forever, then there is no doubt that they could easily believe this utterly ridiculous tall tale about the IRS somehow being the new, American “thought police”.

    The psych profession is alive and well, focusing on patient care and scientific studies in the real attempt to help others manage everything from minor upsets in life to major mental illnesses.
    The pharmaceutical industry s constantly creating new drugs (or coming up with new “indications” and/or “uses” for existing, patented drugs), and is making billions in the process.
    Time Magazine marches on.
    And despite the psychs and the IRS and BIG PHARMA leaving scientology alone, it is scientology that is circling the drain.

    Great video.
    I made it through about 12 minutes.
    Can only take so much of that voice spouting the crazy.

    • Graham

      “It’s a vampire culture, and the “tech” is the blood.” Powerful image WhereIsSHE

    • Unex Skcus

      I tried my best, could only get to 8 mins.

  • Poison Ivy

    J Swift, I love you!

    That speech is definitely from the far end of the rabbit hole. Filled with lies, exaggerations, twisted facts and delusions. (Did I mention “lies”?)

    *”Scientology works when it is applied purely for the reasons it was intended. And personal profit is certainly not one of them.”
    Holy Christ on a soda cracker, I think I can actually see his nose growing as he spouts this bullshit.
    *”We would not have the tech! It could end up in ANYONE’s hands!”
    Oh noooes! That would be like anyone being able to just go out and pick up his own copy of, say, a Bible! or a Koran! or read the Torah outside of a synagogue! Just any schmoe off the street could just come in and actually research a religion! For FREE! Oh, you are so right, COB. What a recipe for disaster!!
    *”The dynamic principle of existence LRH’discovered’ in 1938.”
    Oh sweet mercy, save us all! When I read anything about LRH’s “discoveries”, my stomach starts to churn…

    *HCOB Objective T6 “Winning overwhelming public support.”
    And how’s that part going for you these days, Davey?

    A couple questions – maybe Marc Headley knows the answers?

    1) Does he robocop his voice live during the speech, or just in the video post production?

    2) They must sweeten in the cheering FX in post. I can’t believe all that unbridled cheering came from real Scientologists.

    Another great one, Tony. And the audacity of forcing the already tapped out upper level OT’s to re-do kindergarten, essentially…hard to believe more of them don’t just blow up in fury, like Jason Beghe did.

    • Spackle Motion

      As to your first question, I believe it is software that alters his speech as it happens. From what I recall it was software developed by a Scientologist for the entertainment industry and it is called something like, “Clear Voice” (or something similar). I can’t seem to find it with Google-fu so maybe someone here can explain further or correct me.

      • Missionary Kid
      • Ziontologist

        Clearsound?

        • Spackle Motion

          YES! That’s it. I’m sure Headley can give us the low-down with that software.

      • Graham

        Interesting if someone pressed the wrong button and he suddenly sounded like a Dalek (Or Mickey Mouse perhaps?).

        • nottrue

          No DM for Dalek

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            I really like that drawing. Is it real ink/wash or is it a illustration program?

            • nottrue

              real drawing by daughter who is artist and college teacher

      • Orglodyte

        Ah, Clearsound!

        One of my favorite ESMB posters is afaceinthecrowd, an old timer who worked with LRH on the amazingly bad Apollo Stars LP, “Power of Source.” His thread about the making of this album, called Shooting Stars,”, is a gold mine of lulz, a brilliant, hilarious account of what it was like to work with LRH, and why his products were so, well, bad! Here is a quote from Face that describes how Clearsound worked:

        “El Ron’s “ClearSound” was, in essence; a Master Tape Recording that was recorded on First Class “Live Performance Recording” equipment (with the exception of some of the mikes), in a too “Live” room and not a Studio, by an obviously inexperienced amateur engineer, trying to have it sound “live” without the technical knowledge or experience of how to do such. Unless the Engineers were allowed to do their job and “engineer” the Master Tape—or, better yet, a new Master Tape recording was done technically correct—the resulting vinyl disc would be one helluva turkey.”

        The story is a great read, entertaining and illuminating. ESMB, “Shooting Stars.”

        I don’t know what it evolved into, but I listened to Clearsound tapes in the Academy and they didn’t sound processed, just decent quality audio. By the 80’s I imagine real engineers were doing the work, and LRH wasn’t screwing things up any more. I bet someone from Gold could chime in.

        • Poison Ivy

          Thanks for this tidbit Orglo!

          • Orglodyte

            Sure. The thread really is a gem — Face’s and Kima Douglas’ stories are my favorite “Tales of Ron.”

    • J. Swift

      “That speech is definitely from the far end of the rabbit hole…”

      No kidding on that Poison Ivy.

      What strikes me in this video are the very shifty eyes of David Miscavige.

      When I first saw the video I noticed that DM keeps looking from side to side. It is as if he is checking facial expressions to see if the people in the audience are believing the steaming pantload he is trying to palm off on them.

  • DamOTclese2

    The IRS’s internal ROI — Report Of Investigation — in to the
    racketeering blackmail that resulted in the tax exemption status being
    allowed has been sealed, the IRS and the U.S. Treasury refuse to release
    the 21-page ROI to the public under FOIA and when I filed a FOIA the IRS first responded that the ROI
    was protected under “National Security” reasons. When I
    challenged that claim the IRS next reported they could not locate the ROI even by its
    number. When I challenged that, the IRS then said the ROI contained “return information” and my
    again refused to release it under my FOIA request.

    Talk among the agency employees who were there was that Fred Goldberg, as I recall the name, was photographed on a bed with an underaged boy which resulted in the agreement. If so, that blackmail is detailed in the ROI, among other embarrassing information, which is why the ROI will never be released under FOIA requests. Ever.

    • Spackle Motion

      Hi DamOTclese2! I do enjoy your comments and I always smile when I see you here at the Bunker.

      This type of detail is very helpful for the historical trail of the ROI. I do believe that one day it WILL be released, but that may not happen for another generation. Or it may happen when raids, arrests, indictments, arraignments, etc. start to happen and the media noise is such that the US Gov’t finally acquiesces.

    • DamOTclese2

      By the way, Fred Goldberg is still around and kicking, he *could* be approached and be interviewed to ask him about the blackmail and racketeering that eventually forced him to capitulate if someone polite, professional, and investigative were to ask, maybe. The rumors about why he committed this crime against our country can not be verified, obviously, unless the ROI is released or unless Goldberg opens his yip and explains his crime.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_T._Goldberg,_Jr.

      Also the Ninth Circuit Court ruled that the tax exemption *is* illegal however the Judge’s ruling stated that just because Scientology makes use of the illegal tax exemptions does not mean that anyone else may. The 9ths ruling came down in the aftermath of a couple of parents who tried to exempt their child’s cult education as tax exempt just as the Scientology crime syndicate does. The 9th ruled that although Scientology’s exemption is illegal and an on-going crime, that does not mean that others may commit the crimes Scientology is doing.

      The 9th further stated that people who wish to right the wrong should sue the IRS directly.

      • 1subgenius

        Kinda doubtful he would want to reveal what he was blackmailed over. Or that he was blackmailed at all.

        • Poison Ivy

          This is something that Marty could reveal, if he ever decides to. Marty knows.

          • 1subgenius

            Indeed. It’s kind of a quandry, though. Even if he reveals that Goldberg was blackmailed it brings into question what it was about.
            Not sure how I’d handle that ethical question.Glad I don’t have to.

      • WildaBeast

        Whoa…Scientology’s tax-exempt status is a crime, and an ongoing one, but they aren’t going to do anything about it, but in the meantime nobody else can get in on the action?! Ai, dios mio…

    • 1subgenius

      Nice effort.
      Where would we be if we didn’t even try?

    • ThetaBara

      Good stuff, and thank you for your valiant efforts. Maddening!

    • DamOTclese2

      This is in response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request dated September 7, 2001, seeking access to records maintained by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA.)

      We received your request on September 18, 2001. Specifically, you asked for a copy of TIGTA report “9-9801-0002” and “additional investigative documentation both public and private which covers allegations both confirmed and suspected of blackmail, extortion, and other traditional racketeering activities instigated by the Church of Scientology which may have motivated the Closing Agreement.”

      A review of the TIGTA indices revealed that one (1) file is responsive to your request for a copy of TIGTA report “8-9801-0002.” TIGTA Report Of Investigation (ROI) # 8-9801-0002 consists of one hundred and twenty-three (123) pages.

      Sixty-two (62) of these pages constitute informayion (sic) which originated with the IRS; we are therefore referring those pages to the IRS for a release determination and a direct reply to you.

      If you have any questions concerning these records, you may contact that agency at the following address:

      Internal Revenue Service
      HQ Disclosure Office
      CL:GLD:A2:HQD
      Room 1571
      1111 Constitution Avenue, NW
      Washington, DC 20224

      • DamOTclese2

        The IRS refused to release the ROI three times, finally telling me to appeal to the U. S. Treasury which sent me this letter.

        • phronsie

          Could it be that now that the IRS is under such public scrutiny and pressure, they might be induced to finally release this? Or someone might release it in the confusion of addressing other issues, if a further request was made?

          • Nevermore

            I don’t understand why they didn’t just release a redacted file to you, and let you argue with them about the redactions. Used to be a civil servant, we spent a fair amount of time redacting.

      • Spackle Motion

        They misspelled “information”?????? On a “Freedom of Information Act” request?

        There’s really no hope for us in this country.

    • ze moo

      Blackmail, given to the public, is no longer blackmail. While we can’t be certain that Goldberg was not blackmailed over something, you can be certain that ‘incriminating pics’ were not in the settlement. IRS hides the settlement because they don’t want the terms generally known. It would be nice if the IRS grew a pair and actually enforced the e-meter and fiscal reporting provisions. Blackmailers and blackmailees, never admit to the crime(s).

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      The only existing copy of the IRS ROI is sealed in a nuclear proof CST vault. You filthy wogs will never see it this lifetime or in any other lifetime.

      • GlibWog

        Boo… Go away.. scram.. Don’t cha got a Tent to see about? What’s the weather looking like 8….

        I feel a big wind comin up in Clearwater… oooooooooooooooooh Psych

  • BuiltForComfortNotSpeed

    What’s with that annoying and distracting music on the sound track? My ears are bleeding. The subtitles would not have been necessary except for the music.

    • Miss Cabbage

      Is this posted without the music? If the music were a bit lower, it would be easier to hear the Munchkin.

  • Sunny Sands

    Tent watchers: The cherry picker was across the street from the tent, and there were photographers in it taking pics of the tent.

    • Aslansown

      Probably so they can photoshop in 10,000 people arriving.

      • WildaBeast

        Good point!

    • WildaBeast

      Lord love us, really? It’s like dick pics or something…channeling Anthony Weiner, Tiny…um, you get my point.

      • SoMissDelicious

        Scientology is the equivalent of that guy on okcupid that thinks hes gonna get all the ladies with pics of his cock and balls, but really sits at home, forever alone, wondering why people stop calling and coming by.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Oh crap. Are those RPF slaves up in that basket? All three are wearing friggin’ black (or very dark blue) pants AND shirts. NObody wears black in the beating Florida summer sun outside, especially not outdoor workers.

      Don’t you have to have permits for this sort of thing? And what about the Mayor’s permit checklist? It should have been issued by now. Any news on this.

      • Aslansown

        From the TBT —

        “On Sept. 3, city staff will give church representatives a checklist of required steps for the permits to be issued for the Flag Building’s Oct. 6 grand opening and the November Association of Scientologists event.”

        So they have the checklist…Wonder what’s on it and if they will comply with everything. And what happens if they don’t comply with everything? A fine, like with the trees?

        http://www.tampabay.com/news/growth/church-of-scientology-fined-for-felling-healthy-trees-on-event-site/2138607

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          That’s what I’d like to know too. I would Assume if they don’t comply, they don’t get the permits. They don’t have a lot of time to futz around with all this.

          • Aslansown

            I’m hoping that it’s something like they don’t get the permits and not just a fine (which we all know they could easily pay).

            • Robert Eckert

              If they don’t get the event permits and just go ahead anyway, will the city call out the cops and shut them down?

        • Missionary Kid

          Usually, non-compliance means non-occupancy.

      • ThetaBara

        Isn’t RPF mostly physical labor, like mucking out poo ponds? Would they trust them with cameras?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Looks physical in that basket to me. Besides, DM announced every building was under renovations plus moving courserooms and auditing rooms to the Super Power building (regular stuff, not SP stuff just to make it look busy). So when do you supposed the staff are doing all this in Addition to making daily $ quotas for book sales and IAS gimme sales and their “regular” jobs. The SP Event will be an All Hands on Deck personnel assignment. Maybe they’re cameramen from Gold and DM sent them to the RPF at Flag…where he “just happens” to need cameramen.

    • Mark

      They need to be careful with those cherry-pickers wobbling about at such dangerous angles:

      • Aslansown

        That looks a little bit like the Hindenburg.

        • Observer

          Oh the clamanity!

          • Aslansown

            That really made me laugh!!

          • Nevermore

            The authorities need to clam-p down on that sort of thing.

            • Mark

              Aargh! Shouldn’t you change your posting-name to “Anne Olde-Joak”?

            • Nevermore

              Maybe Annie Old-Jock, seeing as I’m Scottish…

        • Mark

          It does! (Apart from not being on fire). Maybe a previous generation of the same sort of framed tent that constitutes Tiny Dick’s Erection – Hindenburg-type framework instead of thin girders/spars?

          • Aslansown

            Yes, without the fire. I don’t want anyone attending to get hurt, but would it be so bad if there was a big wind gust right before the thing started??

            • Mark

              My thoughts exactly. Though maybe a little localised lightning around the podium area isn’t too much to hope for? (See my dramatic B&W post above).

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        That’s what I thought too. Even the basket is not balanced.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I would like to add my own tent update now that I have actually witnessed this fancy dancy new religious artifact up close.

      What a piece of shit this thing is!
      It is an ugly gray and if you stand at the back of it, it is so close to the road, we should be able to hear the entire event!
      And since that road happens to be the main road to the beach, I can’t imagine them being able to shut off access!

      • MissCandle

        Is that where you’ll be standing with your recording device?
        I hope for a full report from you.
        Wish I could be there.

  • mpl

    What I don’t understand is how a public Scientologist can take all this time off of work to do these courses that take 6-8 weeks (or more). I don’t have that kind of vacation time. And it seems that if you have such a flexible work schedule, like being a freelancer or something, you wouldn’t make the kind of money that would allow you to afford what the courses cost. How do they do it?

    • Nevermore

      Home study?

      • Eclipse-girl

        I thought they didn’t allow the materials out of the org. All your study time has to be done on site, or so I thought

        • Suppressive Tomato

          Some materials are restricted, but nothing is stopping you from the wild and wooly delights of the dizzying array of literature available at your local org bookstore! You could spend the weekend learning how we descended from clams, for instance.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Please do not go there. My husband writes software for molecular biology, structural protein analysis, etc. When I read about that , all I could think was “WTF?”

            Hence my desire to make sure all children in PUBLIC schools have a good understanding of evolutionary biology

            • Poison Ivy

              Oh come on. {You don’t believe we were descended from clams?} You’re rubbing your jaw right now, aren’t you? Come on, admit it. Your “inner clam” is calling you!

      • Ruby

        They do have extension courses for the books…but there is no home study for the major services of the “Bridge”.

    • Suppressive Tomato

      It’s crazy, right? I figure that basically, there are really only two types of active Scientologists: the independently wealthy who can afford to pay for the services and take as much time as they need, and those who quickly find themselves quitting the real world and joining staff.

      • mpl

        Yeah! I mean, you’d almost have to join the SO just to be able to pay for and take the time to do all this.

        • Ruby

          Except when you are in the SO, the last thing you get is the actual services that you are providing to others. You work non-stop.

          • Suppressive Tomato

            Ay, there’s the rub!

          • ThetaBara

            And then, they try to (illegally!) charge you for any “services” you did manage to squeak in, when you finally get fed up and leave. I’m surprised they don’t also try to charge for the beans and rice.

    • Ruby

      How do they do it? They “make it go right”. ok, sorry mpl, that was a sarcastic answer based on what one is always told to do while in the cult…”make it go right”, meaning do whatever you have to do to make it happen…i.e. quit your job, live on credit cards, screw your family and their needs as this is more important and when you are done, you will supposedly have all this new ability to handle whatever you need to handle when you get back…yes, it is insane, but that is the real answer to your question as expected by the cult.

      • mpl

        Seriously, Ruby? That’s unbelievable. It never ceases to amaze me how a so-called religion can SURVIVE when it is anti-family, anti-life (the opposite of pro-life, meaning actively encouraging abortions and discouraging having children), and now from your post it seems they deter people from being productive members of society (albeit WOG society…for what that’s worth.) There is no way this kind of organization can last for the long term. It boggles the mind!

        This may be the real answer to the difference between a religion and a cult – true religions seek to help people operate in the real world. Cults take one out of the real world and make the cult the entire world.

        • Suppressive Tomato

          Oooh, you said the super sekret word SURVIVE! in all caps! You just went Clear!

          • mpl

            LOL! Someone alert the media! And Eller Aitch!

        • Eclipse-girl

          now from your post it seems they deter people from being productive members of society (albeit WOG society…for what that’s worth.)

          If it weren’t for us wogs, the world would not survive

        • Ruby

          “This may be the real answer to the difference between a religion and a cult – true religions seek to help people operate in the real world. Cults take one out of the real world and make the cult the entire world.”

          Bingo, mpl! You totally nailed it with that statement.
          I know it sounds unbelievable, and the church would never admit that, but they truly think that doing whatever you have to do to get onto service lines is what you do. There are MANY stories of bankrupcy and other issues that come as a result of a person being told to “make it go right”. And if they’re employer won’t let them take a 6 week LOA, well, then he must be antagonistic to Scientology so you should disconnect anyway…that is the mind think.

          • mpl

            There’s only one word for it: EVIL

    • Spackle Motion

      Thinking about Scientology’s distribution channels, I wondered if the clams were smart enough to include Amazon (which they do, but mainly for the fiction and bullshit marketing books). I noticed that the clams do not offer eBooks for Kindle or any other reader. This is a huge mistake because it cuts off a delivery mechanism that younger generations prefer (and probably will their entire lives).

      But I also found this gem:

      http://www.amazon.com/Hubbard-Sci-Fi-Stainless-Steel-Pill/dp/B00EE0CE6K/ref=sr_1_35?ie=UTF8&qid=1378496951&sr=8-35&keywords=l+ron+hubbard

      Nothing like a “medication box” or “pill box” emblazoned with Ellar H’s name. One can fill it to the brim with Big Pharma’s greatest hits.

  • Alice Smith

    Hubbard was
    – a narcissist (completely in love with himself and very hurt when other weren’t)
    – a chronic liar (constantly lying about everything)
    – prone to delusions (he really believed there were mass conspiracies against him, when he was creating the antagonism)
    – a TOTAL FAILURE AT PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS, abandoning his wives and his children all his life (so we all have to disconnect from people we love).
    – a megalomaniac, greedy and power-hungry.

    The vaults are for him to find in a future life, just like when he went looking for buried treasure he hoped he left for himself with SO in the “Mission into Time” nonsense. Hope his recall is better this time.

    He also thought all cases were like his! Keep this in mind as your read Power, Ls, OT Levels. That’s some crazy stuff! That might not be for you. I don’t know too many people like him, but David Miscavige is close.

    • Poison Ivy

      “…and very hurt when other weren’t” This hurt becomes “narcissistic rage” and it often fuels a narcissist throughout his whole life. The “I’ll show them” and “the world hasn’t recognized my genius” syndrome. I think Hubbard was very driven by narcissistic rage, which is why he was so cruel, vengeful and vindictive to his perceived enemies or those who he believed ‘failed’ him. In this we see Miscavige picking up where Eller H left off.

  • cicely neville

    Amazing how the body language alone says “pompous twit”. (Can’t stand to listen – don’t want to start my day with nausea.)
    Am reminded of Temple Houston’s comment on a witness; a man who could “strut sitting down”.

  • DamOTclese2

    “…to outsiders, they appear to be indoctrination drills to help create compliant church members…”

    Now *there* is one hell of an understatement. 🙂 These written procedures literally work to eliminate core primate behavior, they suppress carnivore primate behavioral responses which absolutely make the subjects pliable, submissive, and unable to question or think for themselves. That’s the whole point of the TRs, in fact.

    • Poison Ivy

      SO well said, DamOTclese2!
      They also suppress the things that make us human (or mammalian, if you’re like me and don’t want to be species-centric) – empathy, hurt, tenderness, the need to truly communicate.
      I just saw “Blackfish” – this is what we do to our higher mammals when we use classical conditioning to train them – we suppress their ability to be who they are; we ignore their feelings; we treat them like things.
      Where did I read just the other day someone writing that decades later, he still loses sleep over the things he said to his “twin” while bull-baiting?
      Drills to kill empathy for other beings = evil, in my book.

      • Studious Judious

        Ever hear of jamais vu?
        Could this be one of the ‘whys’ for repetitious drills?

        The following video mentions jamais vu around 5:10. (however, the whole video is pretty interesting.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSf8i8bHIns

        • Robert Eckert

          I have a feeling I’ve seen that video on déjà vu sometime before…

          • 1subgenius

            Yogi Berra. You know the quote.

            • ThetaBara

              “It’s tough to make predictions. Especially about the future.” – YB

            • 1subgenius

              That’s a good one, but no.
              What we were looking for is………………………….wait for it……………………..
              “It’s like deja vu all over again.”

            • ThetaBara

              Oh, I know. But, as a tarotist (shhhh, or the True Believers in SCIENCE – who ought to admit that science doesn’t have all the answers, because that’s what science itself says – will jump all over me) the quote I posted is my favorite from Mr Berra. Not to be confused with Mr Bara, who says pithy things too on occasion. 😉

            • 1subgenius

              That one reminds me of the one by (I think) Teddy Roosevelt:
              “My future is in the past.”

          • 1subgenius

            A belated upvote for ya.

        • 1subgenius

          “Ever hear of jamais vu?”

          I know I have but it seems like I haven’t.

      • ThetaBara

        Empathy will always be the best way to socialize animals. In my not so humble opinion. It makes me sad to see people saying that their cats don’t care about them because cats are inherently standoffish. No, if your cats don’t care about you it is because you treat them like you are better than they are, and their needs and feelings are unimportant! Yer doing it wrong!

        • Poison Ivy

          Though it is often for their protection, being “indoor only cats” can make domestic cats a little psychotic. Not all of them, but many. Cats need to range, man!

          • ThetaBara

            I had two indoor cats in a house trailer, back in my 20s. If you socialize them to love you and that good things come from you, it all falls into place. But you for sure don’t want more than you have the space for. Raising them from kittens (or rescuing adult cats from the pound) also helps. The kittens know the life you give them, and the adult cats know you saved them from the crummy pound.

        • Nevermore

          My horrible cats boss me around, and make me get up early to feed them. But they do love me. The three of us all sit in one corner of the sofa, and they try to stop me typing!

        • Aslansown

          When people say they hate cats, I always tell them they haven’t met the right cat!

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I kept seeing his hands as dueling tarantulas.

    • Missionary Kid

      I thought of him trying to play a non-existent piano.

    • Observer

      How on earth did that get you a downvote?

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Somewhere, a tiny dictator can’t look at his hands anymore.

        • Observer

          Snoooooooort!!

      • ThetaBara

        And on a Friday!

      • Robert Eckert

        A vanishing downvote, too. Glibbie got one of those the other night, I saw it come and go.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Sometimes mousing around, especially on my smartphone touch screen, I’ll hit the down vote by accident and then “Oh shit, didn’t mean to downvote!!!” and I’ll click it again to delete it.

          It’s the fickle fat finger of fate….

    • Nevermore

      I keep thinking ‘Thunderbirds puppet’.

      • Mark

        More like ‘Blunderturds’ where Shortarse is concerned.

        • Observer

          COULD. NOT. RESIST.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Don’t forget COB’s trusty sidekick Maverick!

            Maverick hasn’t aged well and is not the brightest guy in the world, but at least he hasn’t gone all over the fringes of the internet posting lies about COB.

            http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/scienowriter/cruise_zps7decd7e4.jpg

            • Nevermore

              I watched Top Gun once, to see Val Kilmer. I’ve never been an admirer of TC’s manic teeth baring, and his ‘charm’ has never registered with me. Glad to see that lots more people have come round to my way of thinking.

            • ThetaBara

              I still say he looks like he’s pooping his pants in this pic.

          • Nevermore

            Hahahahahahahahahaha – awesome!

    • dbloch7986

      You asked for it

    • dbloch7986

      Also

  • Graham

    Just listening to a comedy programme on BBC Radio 4. The theme is education and what test questions children might get asked by different religious groups if they ran a school. For Scientology “The answer to question one was ‘give us all your money’. No, sorry- that’s the answer to question two. No- actually that’s the answer to all the questions.”

  • Jgg2012

    “everyone needs to redo their Objectives, at $2,500 for the course (a steal)” You can give your money to Davey. or you can turn the page.

  • Jgg2012

    The real reason for the tax exemption was that, at the time, it wasn’t worth it for the IRS. They only have so many lawyers. They were spending millions to collect a fraction of that. Today, they may decide spending millions will result in getting a billion.

    • 1subgenius

      You may very well be correct.

  • AnyOldName1

    Watching Miscavige up on that huge stage in that huge auditorium with that huge backdrop, he looks so teeny tiny.

    • Graham

      At first glance, and in black and white, I thought it bore more than a passing resemblance to a Nuremberg Rally…

  • dbloch7986

    The gullibility of Scientologists knows no bounds. I even have to be careful to this day of things I am told by people because if said with the right amount of authority, I might just believe it.

    It makes sense that everyone is having to do their Objectives again. The Objectives are the primary means for installing programming that causes you to submit to authority. Miscavige would know this, and seeing that he is losing control of the flock, he would require them to get back in touch with the roots of their programming.

    It’s not over yet folks. Even if Scientology starts losing lawsuit after lawsuit, it will be a loooong time before they finally shutter all the buildings for lack of money.

    • ThetaBara

      I think that’s a very astute analysis for the campaign to redo the Objectives.
      And chilling, but when it comes to scientology, what isn’t?

    • BananaSplits8

      “Even if Scientology starts losing lawsuit after lawsuit, it will be a
      loooong time before they finally shutter all the buildings for lack of
      money.”

      Read on Rinder’s blog that the pressure is on to buy service packages NOW because of an impending change in price structure and claims that donations to the IAS causes case gains.

      I haven’t a clue as to the cos’ cash reserves but there’s an air of desperation here.

      Besides, when you’re desperate for new customers, who the heck raises their prices? *twirling finger by temple*

      • Poison Ivy

        Yes, I read that too. Davey’s gathering up what’s left of his followers’ cash reserves to stash away. I’m sure the legal fees are eating away millions of dollars a year. I’m also sure there’s plenty of money left…but probably more going out than coming in, and that’s likely a new phenomenon.

    • Spackle Motion

      In the wonderful words of Eddie Izzard, any type of public speaking, being effective is based on this formula – 70% how you look, 20% how you sound, and 10% what you say.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxKPbrLyOMo

      I’m craving doughnuts now.

  • dbloch7986

    Thanks for the video J. Swift. Not only is using ‘The Matrix’ soundtrack awesome, but this gives a deep insight into the conspiratorial nature of Scientology. Thank you Tony for sharing it with us.

    Many Scientologists believe in things like chemtrails, aliens running the government, depopulation, mind control drugs in the water supply, the world being run by the World Bank and the Trilateral Commission and the government staging Pearl Harbor and 9/11. They believe that psychiatrists created Hitler.

    The scariest thing for a Scientologist is to think–even for a moment–that there is nothing more to this world than what you see on the surface.

    It was difficult for me to realize that 9/11 was committed by men with an agenda against the US government. It was difficult for me to realize that the pharmaceutical industry exists because people need life-saving drugs, not because the psychiatrists want to enslave us all. It was difficult for me to realize that every president was just doing his job and not trying to institute marshal law and enslave us all.

    Matter of fact, it was amazing when I looked at a painting one day and said, “Wow, that painting is beautiful.” And when I finally really did stop one day to smell the flowers. And I enjoyed it. When I read a news story and didn’t try to imagine what the “real” story was behind it. I just accepted it at face value.

    Then I looked back at Scientology and realized: that is a conspiracy.

    • Artoo45

      “The scariest thing for a Scientologist is to think—even for a moment—that there is nothing more to this world than what you see on the surface.”

      Your observations grow more profound and clear with each new post (not that they weren’t good when you started). That’s one of the best descriptions of the cult/conspiracy mindset in a nutshell.

      • Mooser

        “The scariest thing for a Scientologist is to think—even for a
        moment—that there is nothing more to this world than what you see on the
        surface.”

        Good God, isn’t what you can see right on the surface, right out in the open, bad enough for them?

    • cicely neville

      Derek, you make me grateful all over again for my life, for what has been called ‘the blessed everydayness of things.’ So good to know that you can smell the flowers now whenever you want. You’ll never take such things for granted; and you remind me not to.

      Vey best wishes as you travel to Texas and begin school.

    • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

      What would you say if I told you I think that a lot of the ancient alien theory is right dbloch?

      I’m not crazy, I swear.

      But, crazy people don’t know they are crazy……….

      *mind implodes*

      • GlibWog

        UNIT… Hubs version ( Xenu .. Volcano? )

        or Alien theory in general?

        There is a huge difference.

        • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

          Alien theory in general. Hubtard’s version is just….. Ridiculous

          • GlibWog

            OMG… Thank God!! hahaha ( A lot of people share your view point Unit)

            Ok.. Since you answered the way you did.. I Verify that you are NOT crazy!

            Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn going to bed.. night Unit.

            • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

              Goodnight Glib, have a good sleep 😀

            • GlibWog

              Thanks Unit..yawwwwwwwwn… I couldn’t seep.. so will see what Tony has for us today….

            • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

              Doncha hate that? When you can’t sleep, I mean.

            • GlibWog

              Hate Hate Hate it.. I have had insomnia most of my life.. I sleep during the day and stay up all night.. I usually just stay awake until I crash,.,,,

            • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

              Same here. It sucks. But at least it’s quiet at night 😉

            • GlibWog

              It sure is quiet.. and I love it.. : /

  • valshifter

    well, he has altered and perverted the tech, so what is he talking about?

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    In honor of DM’s speech here, and the rousing anthem “We Stand Tall” I am reposting my reply to a snarky comment of THDNE’s buried in yesterdays epic load of wonderfull comments. And because I’m proud of it. Neyh Neyh Neyh:

    Sung to the the tune of “We stand tall”:

    I got a subpoena the other day
    I dreaded to see what it had to say
    My freedom the price I have to pay
    From now on

    My wrists joined together, the cuffs are on
    A sob in my voice, a choking sound
    Echoes through the halls of justice

    We stand trial
    (Yes we do)

    We were forced to take the stand
    To defend the crimes we planned

    We stand trial
    It’s Karma bitch
    It’s just that way

    We stand trial
    It never stops
    The case goes on

    We stand trial

    Knowing the truth will con-vict me
    And take me from here to solitary
    I tell lies I hope they never see

    We stand Trial

    And my little cell is secure
    For the punishment I endure

    We stand trial
    It’s Karma bitch
    It’s just that way

    Forever fucked
    We’ll die in jail

    We stand trial
    (we stand trial)
    It’s Karma bitch
    It’s just that way

    Hey bubba stop, hey bubba stop!
    Hey bubba I stood trial
    (OHHHH YES!)

    (Everybody)
    We stand trial
    I’m Karma’s bitch
    Can’t get away

    We stand trial
    I’m throwing up
    it hurts so bad

    We stand trial
    That Karma bitch
    She makes me pay!

    Hey bubba stop!, Hey bubba STOP!
    Hey bubba let me run away

    (Woah Woah WOAH!)
    I turn my back, That’s all it takes

    We stand trial
    It never stops
    The way we pay!

    etc., etc.,

    P.S.: Thanks THDNE for the re-title that I just had to riff on….

    • Nevermore

      I just laughed my tea down my nose!!

    • Studious Judious

      I missed that yesterday, thanks for the repost.

    • ThetaBara

      Despite the fact that I consider prison rape to be “rape rape” and don’t think it’s funny, I had to laugh at “We Stand Trial!” All the rest of it was awesome.

      • WildaBeast

        Everything you just said spared me the trouble of trying to articulate it myself. 🙂

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        For the record: I do not think any kind of rape is funny. It’s real and it’s horrible. What I do think is funny is the fact that a certain person has a pathological fear of it when supposedly he has committed no crimes and has no chance of being convicted and going to prison. Neyh. So there.

        • ThetaBara

          My favorite part of that particular quote was that he was concerned about being in with “common criminals.” Because Supreme Commander Davey is an UNCOMMON criminal, dammit!

        • WildaBeast

          Thanks for the caveat, Michael; as Theta said, it was awesome in every other way. I upvoted it, for sure!

    • Kitz

      Hehe…..

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      hahahaha love it.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I kinda see it as a viral music video. Anons? Anyone? Just the wasted hours of them playing “We Stand Tall” at events needs its karmic opposite to balance the disturbance in the force.

    • dbloch7986

      HA! Love it. If DM does end up going on trial, would love to organize a demonstration in front of the court house in Riverside County, California (or Smith County, Texas) and sing that.

  • George Layton

    Off topic: Mike’s got a Flag event entry pass posted on his blog now.

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-brother-invites-you-to-attend/

    • Mark

      Entry pass:

      • dbloch7986

        THAT is awesome!

      • 1subgenius

        Someone who can should so use that to try and get in. With video.
        Humor is the one thing cults can’t stand.

  • Mark

    Oh, if only dreams came true:

    • Nevermore

      Yeah, and one day my Prince will come! 🙂

      • Mark

        I’m sure that’s just what Davykins whispers to the ‘Top Gun’ photo of Tom on his bedside table every night before he goes sleepy-byes, and every morning when he returns from the Land of Nod.

        • Nevermore

          Oh ye gods, I just threw up! No more princes for me!

          • Mark

            (Snigger!)

          • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

            How about a Knight with shining lightsaber? Would that do ya? 😉

            • Nevermore

              Was always more interested in a Corellian scoundrel, but I could be tempted! ;-p

            • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

              Corellians are to be admired, that’s for sure 😉

        • Kitz

          *shudders* Eeeww!

      • Kitz

        Princes are overrated…. I’d settle for a good, platonic cuddle buddy right now!

        • Nevermore

          I have a cat who insists on sleeping on my chest, so a prince would only end up having to sleep on the other side of the bed anyway!

          • Kitz

            LOL! Same here.. Amazing how much room a 7 lb ball of fur can take up on a bed.

            • Pinkhammer

              How about a long, black 15 lb one?!

            • Aslansown

              I had two of those! They were so big one of my friends said “Those aren’t cats, they’re puppies!”

            • Pinkhammer

              He’s been called my house panther. =) two would take over the whole bed!

            • Aslansown

              They had me pinned down!

            • Pinkhammer

              But at least you were warm…

            • Aslansown

              True!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I have two that take over our bed and the each want to be by me. The poor 17 yr old male is skinny and pitiful and long. The Large female is large. And I am their favorite person. The DH is Ok but not their favorite person.

            • Aslansown

              One of mine made it to 15 and the other to 18. They were my family…. Now I live in a place where I can’t have pets. I HAVE to move so I can get cats again. At this point I’m getting so old I’ll have to get senior citizen cats so they won’t outlive me (or if they do, I ‘ll leave any money I have left to them!!)

            • Eclipse-girl

              Large cat is went from 12 to 17 or so. Too big for her. Get older rescues when you move. There are usually many cats at out humane society.

            • Nevermore

              Both my cats are ginger and white, but they’re about that size – so having one sleeping on my chest is not exactly comfortable. But he’s done it since he was a wee runt of the litter kitten, so it’s too late to change that now!

      • Mooser

        “Yeah, and one day my Prince will come! :-)”

        Before digital cameras, I would sing that while waiting at the Photo-Hut.

    • Kitz

      Except that the Thunderer would just smack him with Mjolnir and be done with it. 😉

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        May an ROV fall on him from a great height. (Inside joke)

        • Kitz

          LMFAO!!!!!! We are such bad influences on each other. 😀

      • Mark

        It’s another Thunderer – Juppiter Tonans – casting his “fulmen Jovis”!

        • Kitz

          So many Thunderers, so little Davy to blast. *shakes head in sorrow*

    • ThetaBara

      This is clearly a job for Lightning Cat:

      • Kitz

        That’s wonderful!!

        • ThetaBara

          NOT mine, but an all time favorite shoop!

      • Mark

        Fulmen Felix!

    • Sandy
  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    The knife edge of humor being drawn across our consciousness can distract us from, and paradoxically heal, our wounds.

    • Mooser

      Our search for the healing jollicosity does not, however, entitle us to say anything which would bring e’en the slightest blush of shame to a maidenly cheek. Our humor should be like a retired polo-player, with mallets toward none.

      • 1subgenius

        “like a peaceful polo-player, with mallets toward none.”

        I’m getting a lot of good lines to use lately around here.

      • Casabeca

        Your intro was correct…you are a peace-loving moose ;).

  • Miss Tia

    Wow, they have all kinds of videos on that rutube site!!! (perhaps they’re on youtube also, but I went to rutube to watch the video there and saw the poster’s other videos!) Oh yeah, more things to watch—down the rabbit hole I go!

  • J. Swift

    Tony, thank you for posting this old video of mine. I am glad to see it back online.

    Some background notes on this video to help clarify what I was trying to do:

    1. The Church received tax exemption late in 1993. There was then a five year IRS compliance period that lasted until 1999. Compliance meant that the IRS heavily scrutinized the Church’s financial activities on a yearly basis. It is telling that DM waited until the IRS compliance period was over before he engaged in this blatant propaganda piece in 2000.

    2. DM declared the “War is Over” in 1993 when the Church gained tax exemption. However, this is not true. The Church of Scientology has been in a state of nonstop war against the World since 1950.

    3. Marty Rathbun said in his Affidavit yesterday that the highest ranking Sea Org member is in charge of the Church. This is a tremendously significant point as it underscores the main thrust of my video: One of the central crimes the highest ranking Sea Org member gets to engage in is inurement, the use of parishioner money for personal benefit.

    4. The IRS found that L. Ron Hubbard had engaged in inurement and ruled that his death did not change this fact. What Miscavige withholds in his 2000 speech, then, is the fact of LRH’s inurement. The IRS did not attack the Church of Scientology. The IRS rather examined the Church’s books and found LRH inurement. The Church propagandistically spun this IRS finding as an attack upon religion. This is an outright lie and yet David Miscavige propounded this lie to Scientology parishioners as we see in the video.

    5. My argument is that DM engages in inurement as LRH did before him. For example, DM’s use of PI’s to stalk Pat Broeker for 25 years is inurement in that it only benefited DM’s paranoia. Broeker was never a threat to the Church.

    6. All of Fair Game, including hate websites, is a form of DM’s inurement as it only benefits his rage and need to attack people. Fair Game is not in the public benefit and can be proven to harm the Church’s image.

    7. Many of OSA’s activities are therefore forms of inurement that only benefit David Miscavige. The 199 days spent by the Squirrel Busters stalking Marty and Mosey were not in the public benefit per the requirements of a 501c3.

    8. The video is a statement about the ultimate nature and purpose of the Church of Scientology as the personal Immortality Project of L. Ron Hubbard. It is staggering to think about all of the money spent, the lies told, and the crimes committed by the Church of Scientology in an attempt to enforce LRH’s immortality upon the world.

    Shelley’s famous poem Ozymandias is potent commentary on the futility of immortality attempts:

    I met a traveller from an antique land
    Who said: `Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
    Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
    Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
    And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
    Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
    Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
    The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
    And on the pedestal these words appear —
    “My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
    Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
    Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
    Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
    The lone and level sands stretch far away.’

    • Missionary Kid

      Well put.

    • ThetaBara

      There is NOTHING they do in the public benefit. Not a thing. I wish we had the same test for that here as in other countries.

      • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

        I had hoped Australian authorities would have revoked their tax exempt status by now. You’re right, they don’t do a single thing that benefits the public, only the midget’s war chest

    • MissCandle

      Thank you for explaining this background.

    • 1subgenius

      If you have the raw video without the added sountrack you should post it, In addition to being more viewable by other media outlets, and regular people, others might have a whack at their own edits.
      Many thanks for all you all do.

    • aegerprimo

      Great poem, thanx for sharing that too!

    • 0tessa

      Very interesting. Would love to see more contributions from you here.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    What’s so visible to every one of Miscavige’s speeches where he goes on about psychs and the IRS and drug company barons, etc, is this fits Martin Gardner’s assessment of cranks in general.

    Hubbard is the Scientology founder crank.

    Miscavige is just paying tribute to Hubbard’s crank views, moving them up a little bit higher and modernizing them.

    Cranks see towering conspiracies, Hubbard did, and Miscavige is following Hubbard’s leads.

    • 1subgenius

      He (Miscavige) is really a pathetic figure of epic proportions.
      Given his life experiences, he could hardly have turned out differently.
      I actually have sympathy, empathy and pity for him. (And whenever I hear or use the term pity, I think of the Michael J. Fox quote “Pity is a benign form of abuse.”)
      None of those feelings has anything to do with what justice I think he should face.
      And none of this really has much to do with your comment.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I fully admit i do not know DM’s life experiences. (Yes, I know read the books.)

        Can you elaborate on Why you have empathy for DM? It may make me a better human being.

        (Not being sarcastic. honestly interested. and do not mean to be rude or ridicule.)

        • 1subgenius

          I’m tempted to use a line I gave a guy, who put it in a song (Steve Forbert, “If You Have To Ask You’ll Never Know”).
          And I don’t mean that in a harsh way with you.
          It’s just like why does anyone think anyone does evil things? Or good things, for that matter?
          Are we just born that way? Goes to the old nature vs. nurture debate. And if we were born evil, that’s almost more guiltless than if we chose to do evil. I’m thinking of the plea Peter Lorre made in “M”, that he, as a compulsive child murderer was more innocent than the common thief.
          t’s a combination, is the prevailing theory. We have inherent potentials, one way or the other, and shit happens.
          Would the thing now known as David Miscavige be this evil cult leader under different circumstances? Doubtful. There’s so many factors.
          I once heard someone ask someone else, “Why did you do that?”
          And I thought, that person would have to list every experience they ever had to really answer the question.
          Understanding that there are reasons for behavior does not equate to tolerating the behavior, either.
          Sorry for not being able to express this well, or succinctly.
          Maybe it also just comes down to being grateful I wasn’t born or raised David Miscavige. And sad knowing how many people grow up and live in horrendous environments.
          Oh, and there is evidence that empathy itself is a genetic trait. And some just don’t have it.
          Perhaps, that is why “if you have to ask, you’ll never know.”
          And I don’t know how it happened but I came full circle on that one.

          • Robert Eckert

            The Milgram experiment was linked to below, but I think the Zimbardo experiment is even more relevant. DM is maybe like the “John Wayne” character, who had a more inventive sense of evil than the other guards, but might never have blossomed into an abuser at all if not placed into a situation that evoked evil.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=760lwYmpXbc

            • 1subgenius

              Not familiar with it, yet, but sounds about right.

            • Eclipse-girl

              was linked earlier. I never want to be tested that way I can only hope I would have been on of the few who walked.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              I watched about two thirds of this video about the Zimbardo Stanford Prison Experiment.

              I get a sense from it and comparing it to the accounts we have of the ‘hole’ and what Miscavige had them do to each other, that David Miscavige was using this exact video, or possibly other accounts of this experiment, as a part of his TEMPLATE for controlling his executives. The part about where the ‘John Wayne’ Guard character tells one prisoner to tell another one that he loves them, (in order to degrade him), seems EXACTLY what DM was doing with Guillaume Lesevre and Marc Yeager when he made them to confess having a homosexual affair.

              I supposed DM could have come by it independently, but my impression is that he had studied these kinds of experiments with control and manipulation from psychology and the analysis of mind control tactics from Korea and Communist countries to put together his bag of tricks.

              Arnaldo Lerma has put up a text at http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/ that is an analysis of these kinds of mind control called “The Rape of the Mind” by Joost A. M. Meerloo, M.D. It is very interesting and well worth the effort to read.

            • ThetaBara

              This gives DM a lot of credit as far as research is concerned… but I do see your point.
              Zimbardo was a fucked up puppy.

          • Eclipse-girl

            As I have written on earlier posts, the never ins have their reasons for supporting victims of this cult. My hypothesis is that we (never ins) survived some type of (childhood) damage. BY surviving, most people gain empathy.

            I am being nosy. I want to know how David was damaged in his earlier childhood. Please direct me to a book.

            What makes a person a sociopath, or a psychopath (and they are different), when other siblings have “relatively” normal lives?

            TY for your answer. I am an inquisitive person and tend to ask a lot of questions.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Captain Howdy gets my collection.

            • Eclipse-girl

              TY for the correction. I need a notebook to keep track of deatils

            • ThetaBara

              Read The Sociopath Next Door.
              If you want to know about serial killers, you can always start with wikipedia. But I agree with 1subgenius that empathy is a genetic trait, and some people have none (Mr Bara says I have an overabundance – hence all the activism, kitten rescuing and so forth). I used to really believe in life experience over genetics but have come to see that both are very powerful.

          • ThetaBara

            Well said (and far better than I could have). Part of it is defo his life experience of being brought in, very young. But part of it is also that he’s got the empathy of, say, a pet snake. I think he started off as a true believer and then got drunk on power and doesn’t see anything wrong with what he does. I dated a guy like that once. Biggest mistake of my life. He had the most inflated sense of entitlement I have ever encountered.

      • Artoo45

        I spent 12 years in a relationship with someone who suffered from Borderline Personality Disorder. What I’ve read over the years about Miscavige’s behavior sounds very much like what I dealt with from time to time. I’ve always said that we shouldn’t forget that Miscavige is a product of Hubbard’s tech, maybe the ultimate product of it. In that way, if he does suffer from untreated BPD (and Borderlines do suffer), then, in a way, despite all the wealth he controls and power he wields, he’s Hubbard’s ultimate victim. This is by no means an excuse for his actions, but maybe a reason.

        • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

          While he is clearly emotionally unstable, I very much doubt that Miscaviage has an unstable identity or sense of himself, any emotional fears of abandonment, or the over-idealization that borderlines have. No, DM is pure antisocial with a heapin helping of narcissism. Sadistic, with no capacity for empathy whatsoever. People like him are the reason we actually need prisons.

          • Aslansown

            I agree. He’s at the very least a malignant narcissist but more likely has antisocial personality disorder. In their need to control everything they have to destroy other people. That’s what satisfied them and reassures them that they are better, more powerful, etc. He probably feels better after he’s verbally or physically attacked someone. For him that’s a win.

        • Spackle Motion

          I have 2 members of my family with BPD, and I agree that they do suffer but it is really hard to be around it, as I know first hand. BPD is often misdiagnosed (in my opinion) because it has elements that are seen in other personality disorders. Remember, that personality disorders are only diagnosed by past and recent behaviors, and it is not a biologically based disorder that has actual physical symptoms.

          Antisocial behavior is very common in BPD, but it is also common in many other personality disorders, including NPD. I believe Miscavige has a scorching case of NPD and borders malignant narcissism. Those with BPD typically push away people that they are building relationships with, and I don’t see Miscavige doing this at all. The only important relationship to him is the one with his own mirror.

  • Suppressive Tomato

    This is off topic, but I want to put it out there. We had so much fun with “Betty” last night here in the Bunker that I stayed up too late, and as I was falling asleep, I had a cognition.

    Scn claims to teach that one should take actions that do “the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics,” but in reality, it’s designed to actually cut the individual off from all dynamics except Scn.

    The dynamics, for those who don’t know:

    1. Self – This is actually the first dynamic Scn cuts off. In order to pass the TRs, you have to essentially unplug from your own mind.

    2. Spouse and family – Even if they are “in” with you, you’ll quickly find yourself spending way more time with LRH than you do with those most important to you. If you’re in SO, forget it, you probably rarely see your spouse, and he or she may even be stationed thousands of miles away for years at a time.

    3. Group – This is the only dynamic that doesn’t get cut, provided that the “group” is Scientology.

    4. Mankind – It’s pretty clear what most Scns think of their fellow man: they’re totally degraded wogs. You only talk to them if you have to, or to get them in for a personality test.

    5. Living things – I don’t know that most Scns really think much about the animal kingdom, except when they have to salute COB’s dogs. You won’t see much nature inside a course room, anyway.

    6. Physical universe (MEST) – Well, of course, this dynamic is just a horrible chore, totally suppressive to the thetan, which is why Scn recommends donating all your MEST to them.

    7. Spirits – Maybe I’m wrong about this one, I mean a lot of time is spent contacting alien souls hiding inside you, but still seems like there’s a disconnect between the idea and the practice.

    8 – Supreme Being – You eventually learn that the idea of “god” is an implant, so there goes the 8th dynamic!

    It’s sad because in concept, trying to do good things with big impact is a really noble idea, but like everything else in Scn, it’s ultimately inverted.

    • ThetaBara

      Doesn’t money fall under MEST? Since that is all they seem to be about these days (that and servitude – also MEST as well as the group thing) you might have to give them credit.
      And the COB certainly seems to be into spirits! har.

    • Robert Eckert

      “5. Living things – I don’t know that most Scns really think much about the animal kingdom” or about the plants, except to kill them.

      • shasha40

        Or hiding behind them . shrubs ….

    • Deeana

      What does “I had a cognition” mean? Is it like gaining insight?

      • Robert Eckert

        Yes, but it’s one of the awkward phrasings LRH used, so Scientologists stick with it.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I like “I had an epiphany”

      • ThetaBara

        “Something occurred to me.”

    • q-bird

      Well done SPTomato – well said. How long have you been attending the Bunker? For me it’s been a few years now, reading, listening in, observing. During the VV days, there was a “troll” named BM that showed up (yep, go ahead… yuck that up for a bit). S/He engaged the bunker. The bunker responded in its usual manner, with witty repartee, excellent word play and honest sincerity — truth daggers in word, image & song. BM got mad, real mad, and then, alas, he disappeared; they always scurry off, she always does. Hit & run… stir things up & done. It’s fun!

      Since the BM days however, there has always been fairly regular posts whose comments contain a certain flavor, a particular manner, “alien” troll-like, Marcabian, Marco, View of Dementia, etc. The name continually changes, but the game remains the same. I recognized him/her/them 1st as Peace Theta. I think they’re a group of wonderful juveniles, who love and are excellent at prankster-ness. But know this, they are never-ins who only act as scions – they always fake that part. Last week I believe he was 4of 5 gens & last night she was Betty… please note: This is my own personal opinion. I have sensed wrongly before in my life. Trust who you choose to trust.

      I believe Betty etal has been attending the bunker for years & she always comes back because he has said, ‘you guys are sooo easy to troll, sigh-a-nada suckas, until next time!’ They know the regular bunkerites well. He loves what he does — this is how she communicates — they troll. They toss out a bit of bait (a story, a lie, a comment, short & sweet) and see what & who they catch.

      What is the point of this trolling? Why, anyone who has ever gone fishing knows, the joy is 1st, in the attempt itself, using your skill with artificial, and then the feel of a nibble, and then the bite *omg* hookset !!! Fight on – this is the joy.

      Betty — Etal loves the bunker as much as any of us. sHe just communicates it in a most peculiar way.
      I enjoy the

      • aurora50

        Funny…I was just watching the Marty-Mike YouTubes whilst they fished…

    • Casabeca

      Never saw this before…so true!

  • India Crep

    The IRS investigated itself when the tax deductions were approved, you just need to ask the IRS themselves why they did it.

    • Sandy

      See DamOTclese2 below

    • ThetaBara

      Yeah, it’s pretty well documented why (and what will happen if you ask).
      And now they are afraid to reverse course for any number of reasons.
      Guess we have to do everything ourselves. 😉

      • Robert Eckert

        It’s pretty well speculated why. But no, it is not “documented” at all.

        • ThetaBara

          Fair enough. How about, it’s pretty well understood?
          It IS documented what will happen if you ask – just ask DamOTcles. The lawsuits are, of course, documented in the public record. And exes have talked about the campaign. So I think “speculated” is selling it a bit short at this point.

          • Robert Eckert

            DamOTcles’ experience is precisely what I was referring to. There are multiple rumors about exactly how it came down, but the public record is a stubborn blank.

            • ThetaBara

              There are no dox on precisely why, that is true. However, their pattern of encouraging individuals to file lawsuits, Operation Snow White, and what they generally do to get their way have been doxed and are well beyond the status of rumors.

            • WhereIsSHE

              Marty Rathbun knows.

              EDIT: And it appears he might keep that information to himself, seeing as there is:
              a) no personal reward, and
              b) a real possibility of criminal legal consequences to which he is –on record– against exposing himself.

            • Robert Eckert

              Yes, what they “generally” do, but what “specifically” happened in this case? Read down below for clashing rumors.

            • WhereIsSHE

              Hey Robert-
              I need to apologize to you.
              Last night I was off-the-charts emotional.
              I appreciate your calm and your candor througout that back-and-forth discussion.
              In short-
              I was overly emotional and inappropriate.
              Mia culpa.

              Hope you can accept this as authentically as it is intended.
              WIS.

            • Captain Howdy

              And I apologize for my “broads pontificating” comment. I was just being an aging punk looking for a reaction.

            • WhereIsSHE

              I love you, Cap’n, and you fucking bloody well better know it, no matter what either one of us spouts in the moment.

            • WhereIsSHE

              Or as it was imagined that Nancy might have said:
              “SiiiiiiiiiD!!!!! WHAT ABOUT THE ‘FAREWELL DRUGS’???”

            • Captain Howdy

              Nancy: I fucking hate them! I fucking hate them! Ass! Ow! Fucking motherfuckers! They wouldn’t send us any money! They said we’d spend it on DRUGS!

              Sid: We would!

            • WhereIsSHE

              Nancy: ARGGHH! I look like fuckin’ Stevie Nicks in hippie clothes!

              (p.s. I am totally head over heels for you for knowing that dialogue, and especially the fucking brilliant, understated honesty of SID. THEY WOULD HAVE!)

            • Nevermore

              LOL – I was an extra on that movie! A whole bunch of got to sit down with Alex Cox a couple of times before he made it. And Gary Oldman came to one of our clubs with him, for a chat about what it was like to be a punk in the 70s. I never thought he could play Sid. Ye gods, did I get a surprise when i saw him in character!

            • Nevermore

              Sigh. I loved Sid. Dunno why!

            • ThetaBara

              I love that we got into both Nancys in the comments on this post.

            • Robert Eckert

              I was never ticked off at you and don’t know what you would want to apologize for. It was a good exchange. Indeed, the lawyers are dancing on an ethical razor’s-edge here: I would hope they did not *know* about Davey’s history with Texas when they filed that affidavit for him, but I have a hard time imagining that they have not gotten some serious clues that he is not to be relied on.

            • WhereIsSHE

              Ummm.. how about the post where I sort of dementedly demanded to “see your papers” (asked you what state and atty id #), to which you graciously responded.
              Cripes=(
              I can be someone I would otherwise hate sometimes.
              I sincerely apologize for that.

              As for the ethics discussion, I’m glad we had it.
              I cringe at the fact that some people believe that all lawyers are liars– or lying liars who lie, as I have seen expressed.

              BTW-
              Loved your Jerry post today.
              Before I got into punk rock, I was a post-60s dead-head-flower-child.

              You ARE kind, Robert.

            • ThetaBara

              What specifically happened was that many individual scilons filed suit to be able to deduct their fees from their taxes. The scilon corp told them to do so. That is on record, and I’m sure the subsequent dropping of the suits is also on record. That is more than “clashing rumors.”

  • GlibWog

    J Swift.. Fabulous work on that Video.. Seriously.. Very Telling and professionally put together. Too Bad that it had to feature Tator Tot.. The Leader..

    OH That’s right.. my mistake he is NOT the leader.. never has been.. Just some guy hanging around that gets the brunt of all the BS.. Poor Davey..

    • AsthmaticDwarf

      That is one terrific J Swift video production. Hope it’s re-posted on numerous Website.

      • GlibWog

        Oh absolutely Dwarf…Love your Handle..hahahha Perfect.. so glad you joined..!!!!!

  • Unex Skcus

    That quote by Bryan Seymour is just brilliant:

    “Scientology is a cult operating as a business masquerading as a religion.”

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      I remember some early Arnaldo Lerma quotes that were similar. I don’t know if they are original with him or go even earlier. But something like:

      An international criminal conspiracy engaged in human trafficking, fraud and abusing human rights while masquerading as a cult which is masquerading as a business which is in turn as masquerading as a new age religion.

      • 1subgenius

        Yeah, something like that.
        Hey, where has Arnie been lately. (Enjoying himself and all this, I hope.)
        I have to chuckle about the last time I saw him.
        It was on a Tory video and he had grown facial hair ala the Vendetta mask. So cool and so funny.
        And it gave me the idea that all anti’s/anons that could, should do likewise.
        I swore to do so myself, and did for a time.
        The other funny thing was when he started a troll rumor (I’m guessin’) that a local Clearwater Scientology health food store was selling lithium supplements which would give one a floating needle.
        Awesome trolling there.

    • WhereIsSHE

      I attempted to recapture that quote for Missionary Kid’s growing list, but I’m pretty sure I failed.
      That is THE absolute best description, ever.

    • Captain Howdy

      “Scientology is a totalitarian political movement disguised as a criminal racket disguised as a cult parading as a religion hiding behind 166 front groups.” — Graham Berry, Esq.

    • AsthmaticDwarf

      yes! the perfect one-liner!!

  • Sherbet

    This is completely off topic, but I came across this bit of trivia. I found a whackadoodle website for one Jasmine Indra, who was a disciple of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, another dodgy cult leader in a long line of such madmen. I don’t know how long Jasmine was a devotee, but now she charges people to communicate with and heal their pets over the phone and explore after-death experiences, among other services. Hmmm…The really interesting part of this? Jasmine Indra, formerly Ma Amrita Pritam, was formerly Shannon Jo Ryan, daughter of murdered Rep. Leo Ryan. Wouldn’t you think she’d have a natural horror of cults and their despotic leaders? Nope. It appears her senses took leave of her. And as a sidebar: Her sister Patricia was affiliated with the old Cult Awareness Network. What crazy synergy! All roads lead to crazy faux-religious dictators and scientology.

    • Captain Howdy

      That nuts but not so unusual. My sister and I were raised in an agnostic, anti-theist household which was a real luxury for the time and for the neighborhood. And my parents didn’t try to force their beliefs on as and my sister ended it being Ms Hardcore OSA bitch.

      I know of totally insane hardcore punks from back in the day that became totally insane hardcore fundamentalist Christians.

      • WhereIsSHE

        Lucky for us that you kept your wits about you.
        One of my sisters– who is normally a very reasoned person– got religious after surviving cancer, and now insists on regularly inviting me to services at her synagogue, despite the fact that I am an out-of-the-closet atheist. (And despite the fact that I always politely decline.)
        I do my best to be gentle and kind in my declines (of her invitations), because i am just grateful that she is alive and well, but anyone who knows me here can well imagine the rants in my head that I only dream of expressing.

        The guy she was dating in her teens– a harcore punk who would protect my tiny ass in the all-ages mosh pits back in the early 80s– is now a hardcore cop (and went from a tall, hips jutting/ribs poking over and through skinny pants and torn tees… to an overweight, barely recognizable pastry puff of middle age).

        Me? I went from a party girl/sometimes know-it-all… to a lawyer/musician/competitive mountain biker/now–tennis bunny/ sometimes insufferable know-it-all.
        But at least I have disappointed my parents by entirely rejecting religion.
        I mean… we all have at least one redeeming quality.

      • Sherbet

        But Leo Ryan was murdered by minions of the reigning cult guru of the day, Jim Jones. I’d think his daughter would have done all she could to expose cults and their violent secrets…not hook up with another false prophet. Apparently, that’s what Patricia was trying to do, but we know what happened to the CAN.

  • Aslansown

    This is completely off-topic, but there’s a real underground bunker for sale in Vegas. I thought Tony might be interested in moving… http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2414497/Most-luxurious-bunker–The-1970s-Cold-War-Era-Home-built-26-feet-underground.html

    • TonyOrtega

      Looks cozy. But here in the bunker we gave up on shag carpeting long ago.

      • Aslansown

        Well, OK. But just thought you should know… (actually, I think nuclear winter would be preferable to a year in that bunker!)

      • Eclipse-girl

        3 bedrooms, an empty pool, murals, a pink kitchen , a BBQ, And its in VEGAS. who wouldn’t want to move there?

        (Apologies to all Vegans (what is the word for those who live there?) )

        • Aslansown

          You forgot to mention the pink bathroom, which I think is the real focal point (as they say on HGTV).

          • Eclipse-girl

            Yes, we all need a pink throne to do our best thinking on.

            Did you cacth the mirrored wall in the bathroom?

        • Spackle Motion

          I would think that Tony has more class than to move to a tacky desert hell hole.

    • RMycroft

      If you want a real bunker, you’d have to move to London. (If Scientology hasn’t snapped it up years ago.)

      ‘During Ray’s time underground in the 1970s, the tunnels were equipped with a restaurant, licensed bar and games room, including two snooker tables and a tank of tropical fish (piranhas, some say, though that might be James Bond fever taking hold). The fish-tank has gone but the bar is still there, complete with a garish orange and brown 1970s colour scheme and a few dirty dishes. Next door in the old restaurant, enough letters remain on the menu board to spell out the last dinner served down here: sausage, chips and peas.”‘

      http://www.economist.com/node/12623309

      There is the former Congressional Nuclear Bunker, but I’m sure sure if it’s up for sale.
      http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11638

      • Aslansown

        But how could you resist the pink bathroom???

        • Missionary Kid

          Easily.

          • ThetaBara

            It would only be a matter of time!

            • Missionary Kid

              Not for me. 😉

            • ThetaBara

              When ya gotta go, ya gotta go.

      • Nevermore

        My last civil service job meant that if there was a need to head to the bunkers, I would have a place in one. Luckily our bunker was more up to date than that one. But I told my boss I wouldn’t be joining them anyway. No way was I seeing out the Apocalypse with a bunch of clowns and wankers that I despised (those would be the politicians, not my colleagues, for the record)!

      • Eivol Ekdal

        I was inside this place in about 2006, it is walking distance from my home…
        http://www.collinsfamily.co.uk/monkton/
        here is a tour from better days before the vandals went in and stole all the copper wiring…
        http://www.monkton-farleigh.co.uk/sc_monktonfarleigh1.htm

    • Sherbet

      AARRGHHH! The kitchen! My eyes!!

      • ThetaBara

        Aww, all it needs is a Wolf stove and a bigger fridge!

    • Graham
      • Aslansown

        Wow! All of us could fit in there!

    • ThetaBara

      This would be such a good place to throw a party. The neighbors wouldn’t hear a thing!

  • 0tessa

    It is becoming more and more more clear that Miscavige is fighting his personal war with the imagined enemies of Scientology who have become his personal enemies. Now his world is full of enemies, some of them even real enemies, because Miscavige himself has become a real threat to some people. Real crimes have been committed. More and more law cases running. The Scientology institute is being dragged completely in this battle, up to the point that contents, prices etc. have been so adapted as to bring in more money = ammunition for Miscavige to finance his fight. Miscavige is now devouring the institute that brought him power and lots of money.
    He will end up like Hubbard and Hitler: from his bunker trying desparately to fight his enemies and perishing in the attempt.
    It will be to late for him to realise that he is himself his biggest enemy.

    • Truthiwant

      If you look at history, it is basically the same story for all dictators. The underlying condition for all of them is that they are psychotic.

      • 0tessa

        For all dictators, be they political and/or religious.

    • AsthmaticDwarf

      Sociopaths **never** have such a realization, such is their lot.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Leah Remini just took a scientology-related joke from Ellen on national TV:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EcFlQw3jbLg

    Cue in at 0:58

    • BananaSplits8

      Nice Ellen send off at the end: I’m your friend and you got my support.

      I like to think the “I’m your friend” part was also a subtle dig at Kirstie (and others who made a point of *scratch*distancing*/scratch* disconnecting from Leah).

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yes.

    • ThetaBara

      Love it! Thanks for the link.

  • AsthmaticDwarf

    >>>People are buying into this GAT II program lock, stock, and barrel.
    It’s amazing what each Scientologist’s chronic low-grade hypnotic trance can lead congregants into believing. “Golden Age of Tech 2” — I wonder how El Ron will like that one, when he comes back, navigating to the sign in the New Mexico terrain to the CST vault.

  • Frushtrated

    Why, why, why put music behind the video, much less music with vocals that compete with the speaking that is going on in the video?!? I just don’t get it. I’m interested, but couldn’t even watch it. I appreciate the effort put into it, but it’s like the maker didn’t think the material was exciting enough, so he/she decided to put an action-movie soundtrack to it. Maybe I’ll try again, but it is ridiculously overpowering and annoying.