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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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TONIGHT: LA Sheriff Lee Baca to Grace Scientology Gala, Days after “Celebrity Center” Employee Arrested for Planning to Kill a Cop

Lee Baca shilling for Scientology at an event in November

Lee Baca shilling for Scientology at an event in November

On Tuesday, Scientology’s Director of Public Relations for its Las Vegas “Celebrity Center,” Devon Newman, was arrested for her part in a bizarre plot to kidnap, try, and execute a local police officer to make a political point for the “sovereign citizens” movement.

Tonight, Scientology’s Celebrity Center in Hollywood holds its 44th annual gala, and besides the usual church celebrities who are expected to show, we’ve been told that Los Angeles Sheriff Lee Baca plans to make an appearance early in the evening.

For years, Baca has been an enthusiastic supporter of Scientology, showing up at many church events. But this time, we’re wondering if any press covering the event will dare to ask him about the Celebrity Center employee who was planning to kill a cop, or about Shelly Miscavige, the wife of Scientology leader David Miscavge, who hasn’t been seen in public in six years.

Baca runs the county sheriff’s office, but it was the other law enforcement outfit in the city, the Los Angeles Police Department, that recently checked up on a missing-person report about Shelly Miscavige filed by actress Leah Remini on August 5. By Thursday, August 8, the LAPD had closed the case after two detectives met with Shelly and determined that she was OK. When we subsequently asked Lt. Andre Dawson of the LAPD if Shelly had been alone or with church officials when the detectives questioned her, Dawson told us that was classified information.

The LAPD had done its job — determine that Shelly is not technically “missing” — and closed the case. But that didn’t answer any of the questions Scientologists (current and former) have about the wife of leader David Miscavige. We’ve still heard nothing from Shelly or the church to explain why a woman who used to help run the church with her husband and who was seen at all major church events suddenly vanished in late 2005 or early 2006. Since that time Shelly has been seen at no church events and can’t even visit her remaining family members. Why not? Why can’t the church just give the public an explanation of why this woman disappeared and where she’s been? (See our previous story about where we think she is.)

As we reported earlier, our inside church sources told us they were hearing rumors that Miscavige would trot Shelly out for the Hollywood Celebrity Centre Gala. Will it happen tonight? One thing’s for sure, it will be tough for the folks showing up to protest the event to spot Shelly one way or the other. All week, the facility on Franklin Ave. has been preparing for the event with what is always very tight security. Usually, protesters are kept far away from the action. We’ll let you know if we get any accounts from inside about what happens tonight.

 
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Devon Newman during a court appearance Friday. Photo by Leila Navidi, Las Vegas Sun

Devon Newman during a court appearance Friday. Photo by Leila Navidi, Las Vegas Sun

HIGHLIGHTS OF THE DEVON NEWMAN ARREST REPORT

Late last night, we made several updates to our story about Devon Newman, the 67-year-old Las Vegas woman who was arrested for her part in a bizarre “sovereign citizens” plot to kidnap and kill a cop. She had also been working as the PR Director for Scientology’s Celebrity Centre in Las Vegas, and before that had been a Scientology “Sea Org” worker.

Our updates included an official non-statement statement from Scientology (“Membership in groups which advocate violation of the law disqualifies an individual from membership in the Church of Scientology”), as well as the 20-page police report which provided many details from the four-month investigation of Newman and David Brutsche, 42, who seemed to be the real catalyst in the case.

We read the police report carefully, looking for any clues that would answer how serious Newman’s role in the plot was. Here are some highlights from the report that may help answer that question…

June 14: “Newman stated she was going to create a master list of words and what these words represented so they could all talk in code on the telephone.”

July 8: “Brutsche said they have to have people that are willing to die, because if you do something like this and go to jail, you will never get out. Brutsche said he is not willing to go to jail, he is willing to die. During this time, Newman was listening and agreeing with everything that was being said. Brutsche reiterate that the training for this would be extensive. Newman then added that we have to get to [the police] before they get on their radios.”

July 15: “Newman said she that she was nervous about things and asked [an undercover agent] if they would unplug their television from the wall so that the authorities couldn’t listen to the meeting. [An agent] then addressed Devon and wanted to know what her commitment level was, asking her if she was in this operation wholly or not. Newman told [the agent] that she didn’t feel that she was going to be of any use to them on the street, even though she has no problem with shooting someone that is threatening them. Newman said that she believes her contribution to the group is more on the administrative and research side but that she is in with them and what they are doing.”

July 15: “Brutsche asked if the [undercover agents] had a place or property to take the officers to once they were arrested. Newman stated that ‘it didn’t matter what the place was as long as we had a way to restrain the individuals so they couldn’t escape.’ Newman said that we could ‘…get a place with either cinder block walls or something. You have to keep them separate from others that would be in the jail.’ Newman further stated ‘whatever place we get to house the prisoners in, has to be a place where people couldn’t hear the prisoners screaming.'”

July 25: “Brutsche reiterated that they could train inside the shop in the air conditioning, and the group agreed to conduct some training on the spot. Newman said that she would take on the role as a police officer and that the [undercover agents] and Brutsche could take the role as the people coming to take her into custody….Newman talked about having hollow point ammunition rather than regular ammunition because it wouldn’t over penetrate and go through the other person as easily. This was meant to prevent shooting each other in an accidental cross fire situation.”

August 12: “Brutsche and Newman were brought to a [Las Vegas Metro Police Department]-controlled, undercover single family residence by the [undercover agent]. Brutsche had previously expressed a desire to utilize a house as a makeshift ‘jail’ that could hold the kidnapped police officer. Both subjects were told the residence was vacant and no one was residing there. While at the residence Brutsche and Newman offered the idea of utilizing the house as a ‘jail’ for the kidnapped police officer. Brutsche and Newman located several 2X4 reinforcement boards and steel eye sockets in the garage, along with several power tools and hardware items. Both subjects took the items into the house and began attaching the boards and eye sockets to the main wall of the master bedroom in an an attempt to fortify the room for holding a kidnapped police officer or officers. Newman specifically took the initial lead in attaching fortifications to the wall.”

August 15: “Newman raises concern with Brutsche and the [undercover agent] over the disposal of the murdered police officer and the destruction of the evidence. Newman claims that they will need to destroy the forensic evidence on the officer’s body and offers up the use of bleach and vinegar to do so. Newman states the dead officer can be placed into a heavy duty plastic bag and they can pour bleach and vinegar all over the body. Newman adds that the bleach and vinegar will destroy all DNA evidence, fingerprints and fibers that may be on the body. The body can be driven to the desert and dumped out of the plastic bag from the back of a truck. Newman claims they should leave the body and keep the bag for later disposal.”

August 20: “During this meeting, [undercover agents] asked both Brutsche and Newman if they were truly prepared to commit a kidnapping and murder of a police officer. Newman replied that she was and reiterated that she wanted to assist with the support portion of the operation. Newman stated she was prepared to assist at the undercover house after the police officer had been kidnapped. Newman [said] she would watch the kidnapped officer and help open the garage to the home once [the agents] and Brutsche arrived with their kidnapped officer.”

After getting assurances from both Brutsche and Newman that they were prepared to follow through with their plan, on August 20 they were taken into custody.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on August 24, 2013 at 07:00

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  • DodoTheLaser

    “TONIGHT: LA Sheriff Lee Baca to Grace Scientology Gala, Days after
    “Celebrity Center” Employee Arrested for Planning to Kill a Cop”

    (AWKWARD.) Perhaps Lee Baca has no time for the Internet. (VERY AWKWARD.)

    • 1subgenius

      He has no shame.

      • DodoTheLaser

        We’ll see.

      • DamOTclese2

        Who needs shame when you have envelopes full of cash being handed over under the table?

        • Poison Ivy

          He is so dirty. I don’t know what CO$ has on him or CO$ helps him get on his enemies, but the whole thing stinks.

  • Krew13

    She said she wanted to help with the kidnapping and murder on the research and administrative side.

    You’ve got to hand it to Newman. She talks in a way that manages to be both very disturbing and sound like dialogue written by the Coen brothers.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yeah.

      [IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/30j3far.jpg[/IMG]

      Or The Boondock Saints, scientology version.

  • John P.

    First, it’s interesting that Lt. Dawson of the LAPD said “it is classified information” the simple fact of whether Shelly Miscavige was alone or with cult handlers when they were questioned. If anyone is more familiar with police procedure than the average bear could clarify why a detail like that is appropriately considered “classified,” that would be helpful to hint at whether the LAPD is being defensive about the situation or if they’ve done a thorough job. What aspect of the investigation would public disclosure of that information imperil?

    Reading through the excerpts of Newman’s arrest report, it sounds like she’s involved enough to be arrested, certainly, but that she’s not really getting the seriousness of what they’re plotting. It sounds like fantasy-land; Brutsche is the deadly sociopath that pushed the whole scheme and she’s trying gamely to keep up with him in the nastiness department. Not that I’m arguing that she meets the legal definition of innocence, because she clearly is furthering the development of the plan at the center of the conspiracy and she is taking specific concrete action to implement that plan.

    It might have been hard for the undercover agent to avoid laughing when Newman suggested unplugging the TV so the government could not listen in to the meeting, when he was wearing a wire and that was exactly what the government was doing. With that sophisticated an understanding of modern technology, I’m surprised that Newman didn’t also suggest they fashion tinfoil hats to wear so the government couldn’t probe their thoughts remotely using lasers.

    My favorite quote from Newman: “Newman said that she believes her contribution to the group is more on the administrative and research side.” Why does this sound so much like Hubbard, who thought his “research” abilities were so impressive as to be able to “smash his name into history”?

    Lastly, I think Newman’s defense attorney will attempt to look at the different levels of what the two co-defendants are saying to get her a smaller sentence than Brutsche. One relevant detail that didn’t appear in many initial news reports about the case is that the two shared a residence. It’s not clear whether they were romantically involved in some really odd cougar/cub action, or whether they were merely roommates, but the fact that whenever she came home from work, Brutsche was around spouting Sovereign Citizen nonsense would allow a defense attorney to build a plausible case that he had some sort of control over her.

    It’ll be fun to see whether testimony in support of that strategy brings in all sorts of detail about Scientology and about life on staff — that she was susceptible to bizarre anti-government ideology because she already believes her skin is crawling with thousands of invisible dead space cooties, or that she was easily talked into this plot because her brain was fried on a starvation diet that comes from earning $50 per week on the cult payroll. And it’s also pretty funny that someone allegedly trained at the highest levels of “confronting and shattering suppression” wasn’t able to walk away from a bizarre sociopath when he was spouting such nonsense.

    The August 20 quote sounds telling — when the agent asks if both are “in” and committed to the plot, Newman lists a few things she’s willing to do but it’s pretty clear that Brutsche is the one prepared to go out and do the real violence. Again, not that I think she’s innocent of the charges against her, but I do think she’s got a chance of bargaining the charges down as a fairly hapless, witless co-conspirator. Still an embarrassment for the cult, but I almost feel sorry for how she allowed herself to get caught up in a monumental piece of stupidity.

    • Graham

      According to the arrest documents they were living together because Newman complained that she had no source of income except social security, so he agreed to move in with her to help out with expenses. Does this mean she was drawing unemployment benefit whilst actually working? Or is it routine for $camatology to tell its employees to pretend to be unemployed? One way to reduce the wages bill.

      • sugarplumfairy

        If you’re making $50 a week, you are unemployed..

        • Graham

          So the state routinely supplements the wages of $camatology employees? Apologies if this is a naive question but I don’t live in the USA.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Amazing, isn’t it? And co$ doesn’t pay taxes.. Really fries my toes..

          • Missionary Kid

            She is a retiree, and as such, has contributed to the Social Security system during her working life. That is her pension from the government.

            • Graham

              Ah, thanks. I’d missed that.

            • DamOTclese2

              That’s why the SS payment isn’t quite the right wing Republidiot hypocrisy, she and her fellow Republicans had money taken from them against their will specifically for Social Security, and getting payments back from it is not actually hypocritical.

            • John P.

              Getting payments back from it is not actually hypocritical.

              Actually, it can be. The amount you earned during your career determines the monthly amount you receive. You then receive that monthly amount for as long as you live. If you retire at 67 1/2 and live to be 87 1/2, it is reasonably likely that your total payout from Social Security will exceed the amount you paid into the system. It’s not like a 401(k), where you can only withdraw your original contributions plus investment gains, and when that’s gone you’re screwed.

              So to the extent that Sovereign Citizens or any Social-Security-is-Unconstitutional morons take more out of Social Security than they contributed, or to the extent that they avail themselves of Medicare, they are being hypocrites. I am sure many Sovereigns are ignorant of the way these things work, but that doesn’t mean that they’re not hypocrites; it merely means they are stupid hypocrites.

              I often think it would be interesting to allow the Social-Security-is-Unconstitutional folks to walk it like they talk it. Allow people to make a once-in-a-lifetime decision to opt out of Social Security and Medicare taxes, which they would only be able to do after taking a class and passing a test that shows they understand the consequences of this decision. And ever after, once past retirement age, if they show up at a government office expecting social services, they are quietly turned away and allowed to starve or die from their medical conditions, entirely in accordance with their wishes to have government not interfere with their lives.

            • Peter

              I’m beginning to suspect this blog is strongly Democratic. Weird.

            • Claude

              Well, Tony is a journalist!

            • Peter

              I was unaware that journalists are automatically classified as Democrats, though it’s obvious most of the mainstream ones are. :/

            • Claude

              They are according to FOX

            • Peter

              ROFL! What I’ve found in the past 60 years is that neither party is different as far as the results are concerned. For instance, I was very disappointed in Regan in that his “smaller government” stance resulted in a quadruple increase in the national debt in his eight years. However, to put things in perspective, our current incumbent managed to quadruple a much higher national debt in his first TWO years. And far beyond ever since. As for “hope and change”, I’ve noted damned little of either as far as forward motion is concerned. So be it. It’s the way of governments.

              And I’ve also noted that despite words (and Peace Prizes!) every president seems to have the proclivity of having their own particular war. All that military power in their hands is just too much

            • Michael Leighty

              Yes, and clearly, the presenters on Fox are not journalists!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              It is a statistical fact (for what that’s worth) that the vast majority of journalists self-identify as liberal. I mean progressive.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              No Peter, it’s completely NON-political. Just make a joke or something about liberals and you will find that out in record time…!

            • Imelda Marcos

              I believe this is the precise argument they use.

            • Poison Ivy

              Has she, though? Does CO$ take out deductions for SSI?
              What jobs did she hold before her CO$ jobs that paid into SSI?
              Because if you don’t contribute to SSI, you don’t get any.

            • Missionary Kid

              It could well have been based on long ago contributions, or she could be receiving SS from a dead husband’s account, or it could be SS for a disability.

            • richelieu jr

              Retired from what, 50 bucks a month from the SeaOrg? I’d love to see that check!

              This is just like the Scilons telling SeaOrg members to make the taxpayer pay for their abortions…

            • Missionary Kid

              If she worked long before she joined the Sea Org, or possibly is getting Social Security disability because she couldn’t work because of an injury. There are a number of different ways. She could be receiving the SS from a dead husband.

          • ze moo

            Short answer, no. Long answer, as a low wage earner, they may get some help.

          • Lady Squash

            The Sea Org members are routinely on medicaid. That’s how they pay for medical care–through the government. Afterall, they make only a stipend and the Church does not provide any kind of health insurance for them.

        • 1subgenius

          Typical.

          • Poison Ivy

            SO typical.

            • 1subgenius

              Reminds me of the guy at a presidential candidate’s town hall who said, “I don’t want a government health system, and don’t touch my medicare.”

        • DamOTclese2

          It’s because money way stolen by the government when these Republican shitbags were forced to pay in to Social Security, donchaknow. She’s merely taking her money back and not living a right wing Republican hypocrisy. That’s a phenomena rampant with these “sovereign” rightards.

        • richelieu jr

          It’s the whole ‘bleed the beast’ strategy so beloved of Mormon extremists and right wing survivalists.. They see no contradiction as it hurts the government both ways:

          See Ayn Rand, Social Security, retirement; CHatles Manson, et al; Timothy McVeigh; etc….

          Also: Republican policies in/re spending/revenue.

          • Peter

            Oh, please! As noted earlier, Obama and the dems have multiplied the national debt beyond imagining. It continues to be non stop.

            • richelieu jr

              True or not Pete, that has absolutely nothing to do with my point.

        • D.Y.G.

          This comment has me wondering a couple things — are these staff people getting $50 a week stipend eligible to collect state benefits like food assistance or medicaid? If so, do they?

          • ze moo

            Yes, in some state they could get food stamps, medicaid and other benefits. The kicker is they have to be able to accept jobs, jobs that pay real wages. I don’t see how any full time staff or SO could qualify. Priests and nuns don’t get any of these benefits unless they become disabled or reach age 65.

            • D.Y.G.

              Ok, that makes sense. I looked up my state and it has a “welfare to work” program going on in that any able-bodied person who gets food stamps and cash benefits is required to find work. Until that time the county of residence places the client in a program where they work for org’s like the Salvation Army or city/county offices (washing police cars, doing basic maintenance work like cleaning city buildings, etc) in order to “work off” the benefits they receive. So this would not work at all for a SO person who already is slaving away 100 hours a week, and I doubt their “volunteer with a stipend” status would even be acknowledged by any state as real work.

            • D.Y.G.

              I was just thinking about how this scam is worse than WalMart. At least the Waltons have to pay minimum wage and at least their workers are eligible for government benefits, even if that is a truly awful thing to contemplate. The people working in these orgs are f*cked coming and going.

              I know you all know this – I’m just learning.

          • Lady Squash

            As far as I know, all Church staff receive medicaid. The Church does not supply medical insurance. Sea Org don’t need food stamps because the Church feeds them. Other staff probably apply for food stamps.

        • grundoon

          Just following Ayn Rand’s example.

          • sugarplumfairy

            I Still love Atlas Shrugged..

            • Claude

              I wouldn’t broadcast that (I kind of liked it too)

      • John P.

        Good catch on the details of the living situation. Amazing that people with such finely developed Sooper Powerz of perception and ability to identify suppressive persons (and gaudy certificates that prove those abilities) can’t figure out when their new roommate might be a little “off.” Like “multiple counts of pedophilia ‘off,'” not “spends way too much time playing Dungeons & Dragons ‘off.'”

        Depending on the state, there may be some level of income that is so low that it doesn’t remove your eligibility for unemployment. The $50 per week figure for staff is, according to many ex’s, a maximum, not an actual figure, but that it could be considerably lower if the “gross income” stat for their org is below plan, or if there are any number of other things going on. I recall reading some reports in this forum that staff almost never got the full $50. So Newman may have been receiving only a few hundred dollars per year. I suspect eligibility requirements for unemployment have to do with the total number of dollars you receive, not whether you have a place you go every day and call it a “job.”

        • Lark Smith

          Honestly, I think her mental health has been severely compromised. I mean letting this younger, poor, and obviously violent fanatic into her home screams desperation and lack of judgement. What a pathetic life she must of been living to let this happen.

        • Graham

          I’m still puzzled about the employment situation. If you can get away with paying employees less than $50 per week, knowing that the state will pick up the slack, then surely other employers would be doing that? I smell fraud somewhere here…

          • Jvm3

            They can’t unless they have protected status as a religion. Any other type of businesses have to pay at least the minimum wage.

            • Graham

              Thanks for that clarification. I’m speechless!

            • Jvm3

              Yeah. You can have tax-exempt status as a charity or social welfare organization and those still have to pay minimum. Tax exempt status as a religious organization is further protected and they can basically do what they’d like as far as compensation.

            • Missionary Kid

              They are not employees in the usual sense, but are classified like monks or nuns who devote their lives to the church that they are involved with and voluntarily only take enough to subsist on as a part of their vows of poverty.

            • Lady Squash

              There is no “vow of poverty” in Scientology. Staff are sometimes told they will make good money. Even in the Sea Org, there is no mention of “vow of poverty”. Recruiters make it sound glorious. Your “compensation” will be getting the very expensive Scientology services for free. If you are young, you don’t think about things like health insurance or retirement. If you trust them, you assume you will be well taken care of. It’s a joke. It is nothing like other religious orders. Recruits do not make informed decisions. The information they get is false and misleading.

            • Missionary Kid

              I understand full well that there’s no vow of poverty, but the church has made the legal case that sea org are similar to monks so that the {church} can avoid paying them the minimum legal wage.

              As I remember it, $cientology has had a compliant Catholic priest (?) who testified on their behalf to say that the Sea Org was like monks. It’s all bullshit, but they got the exemption.

              If it’s $cientology, it’s a lie.

            • Exterrier

              good information.

          • iHateDuplicity

            They are a church – a religious body under the law – and do not “pay” their staff. They provide them contractually with a “stipend” which is no guarantee of survival. There is no minimum wage pay in the non-profit religious world. Technically, staff members are nothing more than volunteers and are owed nothing by Cof$.

          • villagedianne

            The state does not pick up the slack. Social Security is a government pension that people are entitled to after age 62. But you have to have paid into the system in order to collect. I believe Sea Org and Org staff do not pay into the system. She must be collecting from “wog” jobs she had before or after being on staff.

            • Poison Ivy

              “But you have to have paid into the system in order to collect. I believe Sea Org and Org staff do not pay into the system. She must be collecting from “wog” jobs she had before or after being on staff.”

              Exactly. The ex of a wealthy friend of mine never worked a day in her life, and so does not get SSI. Sucks once the huge amounts of alimony have run out.

            • ze moo

              SSI is an income based program. You can collect SSI and not have worked a day in your life.

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              I don’t understand that. Usually, unless an ex-wife has remarried, she is able to opt to receive the same SSI as the ex-husband, even if the ex-husband is still alive. My step-father’s first wife from the 50s collected the same SSI as he did, and since he has now passed away, both the ex-wife and my mother collect his SSI benefits. Each receives the same amount he received.

          • Jeb

            It the same as giving a nun a weekly allowance. Except the nun will be well cared for in her elder years, and generally will have decent accommodations provided for free.

          • Observer

            The facts that Scientology claims ministerial exemption because it’s a “religion”, and has a fraudulently obtained tax exemption presumably based on religious grounds. protects it from having to obey wage laws. Any regular employer who tried that would find themselves in a lot of hot water.

            EDIT: I wrote this before reading iHateDuplicity’s post saying essentially the same thing.

          • Poison Ivy

            It’s fraud but I think it’s the religious cloaking that allows them to get away with it.

        • iHateDuplicity

          The standard $50 a week is for Sea Org not regular org staff like Devon was. Regular org staff are paid as much as a few hundred dollars a week or as little as nothing in a week, depending totally on how much the organization makes in Gross Income that week, plus bonuses for IAS donations, book sales and whatnot. It’s a percentage and unit system which assigns a certain number of “units” to each staff member based on their type of job, number of years on staff, etc.
          They are constantly working over the finance system in the orgs to try to get the staff more pay so they don’t have to have another job, i.e. moonlight. At least that’s what they tell the staff they are doing.
          What they are actually doing is constantly figuring out new and improved ways to motivate the staff to make more money for the upper management strata. And the staff then get a token percentage of those profits as their weekly “stipend”.
          Even after the Ideal Orgs opened (with promises of “riches beyond your wildest dreams”) the staff pay has continued to be dismal and many times as low as $10 a week or nothing at all.

          • lightblb62

            My weekly pay in the SO at Flag was $10.00 a week through 1982. If one was a registrar they also got commission.. one of the few posts where a person could actually earn a bit more than cig money. Pretty bad. When I was in a regular org prior to Flag.. my weekly pay ranged from $12.50 a week to about $30.00.. that was for Day and Foundation (day plus evening shifts) so from 8:00 AM through about midnight most days.. then I finally had to moonlight and take an evening job thursday through Saturday working retail. And I had to get special ok to do that. How DM and anyone else in the Ivory Tower can justify their lavish lifestyles whilst their staff is starving and going without the basic needs shows how far out of touch they are… LET ‘EM EAT CAKE” That in and of itself justifies major intervention.. but I know.. it cannot be done under their current structure, unless somehow it all gets blown wide open.

          • Exterrier

            Good information.

          • Poison Ivy

            Do they take out SSI and other standard deductions?

            • ze moo

              SSI (Supplemental Security Income) is for people who don’t have work history or their work history does not have enough ‘work quarters ‘ to fund a claim. Many people who become disabled early in life can make a SS claim based on mother and fathers work history. SSDI for blind people is paid out of a special fund, just for the blind. SSI is paid out from general SS funds (FICA on your pay stub). People with certain income limits over age 65 can receive SSI.

              http://www.ssa.gov/pgm/ssi.htm

        • DamOTclese2

          The maximum annual “pay” of $2600 does not qualify as a “job” in any State of the Union, certainly not at Federal law. For purposes of Social Security, anyone making $2600 or less is not employed, they’re legally considered to be slaves.

        • Poison Ivy

          “Like “multiple counts of pedophilia ‘off,'” not “spends way too much time playing Dungeons & Dragons ‘off.'”

          Touché!

      • Captain Howdy

        She’s 67, so she would have been automatically receiving social security benefits, not unemployment insurance.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Couldn’t have been much considering her employment history. Don’t put much in, don’t get much back out.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            that is an understatement. and true.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Hey, subtle is my middle name……NOT. Any more thoughts about the par-tay?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              it’s been crickets, I tell ‘ya

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Really? This is the event of the last two decades. Supa Powa is opening. And it could be the last big hurrah for DM too. We need more participants.

              (tone 40) Come on y’all, man up and join the Southern SP’s! I hear Rev. Dee might knight us all.

            • GlibWog

              Me… !!!! I am waiting for my daughter to tell me when in Sept. she is coming.. to visit me..
              But I am serious for realz..
              I want to be a member of the Southern SP’s..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Cool! Hope to see ya there. Where do you live?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I am game for anything!!!! Just tell me where to park my space ship!

          • Captain Howdy

            I’m on SSDI, so my payment is based on my work history. There are people in my building who are considered “disabled” but didn’t work enough to qualify for SSDI. These people receive a set amount every month which is seven hundred and something dollars. I’m not sure if the rules for retirement SSI are the same for disabled SSI payments.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Thanks for the enlightenment.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Yet another way staff scientologists lose by being scientologists

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I just back on here. How was the show?

            • sugarplumfairy

              Even better than I expected.. Very creative and seriously funny.. While we were waiting in line before the show, I recognized some of the cast (from Tony’s pics) also waiting to get into the venue, so ballsy cousin introduced herself and got pics after reassuring them she wasn’t a “crazed scientologist..”

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Regarding “moonlighting”, an official Hubbard policy, of 6 October 1970, Hubbard says:

        “To forbid the practice of moonlighting would be to force a staff member to blow in self-defense.”

        Chuck Beatty
        ex OEC/FEBC Course Sup (1977-1983)

    • DodoTheLaser

      Great analysis, John P.

      From the dox’, Newman might be a mastermind of that failed crazy op, for all we know though.

      This is beyond bizarre.

      • FLUNK_101

        It was a good read, and very interesting.

    • Jvm3

      I expect her to take a plea and testify against him. As you pointed out, he’s the violent sociopath and he is the one with a paranoid fear of police and government. It’s because they’ve been so effective at busting him on felonies. She strikes me as just a gullible, easily suggestible and eager-to-please type.

      I recall your post from yesterday about the “sovereign citizens” belief that if their name isn’t represented perfectly on a document, if its all uppercase, spelled incorrectly, or contains punctuation, it is not actually naming them. What a neat trick! But sure enough, at his arraignment, Brutsche told the judge “I haven’t been named as a defendant.” Classic. Either it was capslock or, based on court records, “David Allen Brutsche” sometimes spells his middle name as “Alan”.

      • Real Shellback

        In reality, she was infiltrating an evil supressive group with the intent to bust it up

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Zinger!

    • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

      I must disagree with you on this, John P. Newman sounds every bit as nasty and determined to commit torture and murder as her compatriot. She talks about building something that will make it impossible for prisoners to make themselves heard by screaming. She wants to watch over the prisoners once they’re there. Her only nerves are for her own safety; when it comes to torturing and murdering another person, she’s all too happy to be a full participant.

      • John P.

        While some quotes appear to be damning, some of the quotes clearly indicate Newman’s reluctance to participate in the most violent parts of the scheme, including this one:

        Newman replied that she was and reiterated that she wanted to assist with the support portion of the operation. Newman stated she was prepared to assist at the undercover house after the police officer had been kidnapped. Newman [said] she would watch the kidnapped officer and help open the garage to the home once [the agents] and Brutsche arrived with their kidnapped officer.

        In other words, she was not interested in necessarily being “hands on.” Opening the garage door to let her co-conspirators in indeed playing a part in the conspiracy, but it’s a little less directly involved than actually laying hands on and kidnapping or shooting a police officer on the street.

        Her attorney could reasonably argue that this was an attempt at entrapment by the undercover agent(s) and her reluctance to engage in all parts of the scheme shows some degree of moral backbone in the face of coercion from her sociopathic co-defendant. Not that he would necessarily win the argument, but it’s not frivolous.

        Another quote:

        Newman told [the agent] that she didn’t feel that she was going to be of any use to them on the street, even though she has no problem with shooting someone that is threatening them. Newman said that she believes her contribution to the group is more on the administrative and research side but that she is in with them and what they are doing.

        This sure sounds like she’s saying she is willing to shoot someone in self defense, but not to go out and commit cold-blooded murder, unprovoked. It also sounds like she is trying to avoid other forms of involvement, by saying she’s the “administrative and research” person. It’s like being an accountant for the mob. You’re a criminal, to be sure, but you’re not the one going out and pulling the trigger on the hits.

        Her defense attorney will exploit these sorts of statements as a way to get his client leniency. Prosecutors will also be looking over her statements as a way to get her to turn and testify against Brutsche, since he’s clearly violent and obsessed with committing “suicide by cop” as reading the full arrest document shows. I suspect that prosecutors will lean on her fairly hard as a way of cutting down the length, complexity and expense of a drawn-out trial, and her public defender will probably push her to plead out.

        Especially when lawyers get involved, nothing is as cut-and-dried as regular people think. There is plenty of room to mount a defense here for both Newman and Brutsche, though they will probably still be convicted fairly easily.

        • Larry Moore

          If Newman can get Sheriff Baca to come to Vegas and testify as to her good standing in ‘the church’ of Scientology, she may well get off scott free. Lol.

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            Sounds like a good Onion headline: “LAPD Chief Baca Comes to Scientology PR Lady’s Murder Trial as Character Witness”

            • Claude

              He’s the Sheriff, not PD

        • Phil McKraken

          My take on this is that she was opting out of the direct capture and submission of the intended victims due to the physical limitations of her age. Her level of involvement, as it stands, looks like that of a full-on participant in this conspiracy, and her criminal liability is not at all lessened by the statements you have highlighted.

        • J. Swift

          But John P., in a bank robbery the getaway driver is equally charged with bank robbery although he or she did not actually point the gun at the teller and demand “the money or your life!” The same applies in a murder: The accomplices are charged with murder just as if they had pulled the trigger.

          I just don’t see how the Prosecution has to cut a deal with Devon to get anything on Brutsche. I think if they offer her anything it is twenty years instead of fifty in order to avoid the cost of a trial.

          • John P.

            Yes, the getaway driver for a jewel robbery is as guilty as the guys with the guns. But the guy who doesn’t go out on the road but instead stays back at home and fences the loot is not. I suspect Newman’s defense attorneys are going to try to aim for the gray area between these two hypotheticals to introduce a risk of an acquittal on some charges. That’s the bargaining chip to get the prosecutors to cut her a deal.

            Also, any evidence that he is threatening her to coerce her into going along (a la Patty Hearst) would also throw some uncertainty into the proceedings, even if it is merely Newman’s say-so. So my thought remains that they try to cut a deal with her, to put Brutsche, who is clearly a menace to society who probably should have been locked up under a California three-strikes law years ago, away for life.

            Newman is 67 years old, and after decades on staff, which most likely includes smoking like a chimney, is not likely to be in terribly good health. So my bet is this: she turns on Brutsche, pleads out, gets 15 which could go to 10 with good behavior, and serves 4 before dying in jail.

            Obviously, the government is going to come down extra hard on people conspiring to kill cops, but other realities suggest that they will still want to dispose of Newman’s case as fast as possible.

    • DamOTclese2

      It’s classified because Shelly is working for the FBI covertly and an internal informant. Once she’s got all the documents squirreled away (see what I did there?) she’ll call in the raids, the paperwork will be seized, and she’ll be free, ready to testify.

      • i-Betty

        Beautiful!

        • Poison Ivy

          Don’t we wish!

    • FLUNK_101

      It’s very possible that this woman sees this world as just another planet. Her allegiance is to Scientology. She might as well be living on Marcab.
      She may look at this guy and think she KNOWS him, from a past life …
      I can’t help but wonder that they’re romantically involved.

      • Poison Ivy

        Ewww.

        • Captain Howdy

          I wouldn’t be surprised.

        • FLUNK_101

          Ewwwwwwwwwww? How about some beautiful, “theta” poetry to help you understand their love?

          Where have I known you before
          Where did we play among galaxies bright
          Laughing and dancing, creating each night
          Deciding the course, to then venture on out
          Love, you, space and I
          Free from fear, free from doubt
          Where have I known you before

          Where have I loved you before
          Was it just yesterday
          Or millennia ago
          I kissed, touched, held and needed you so
          Your face is so different
          Yet you, you’re you, just you
          Still glowing and silvery bright
          Wondrous dancingly bright
          I knew you the moment you entered my room
          That infinite eternal night
          Where have I loved you before

          -Neville Potter

          http://www.strand-arts.com/michael/songs/where.htm

        • GlibWog

          The Heart Wants What the Heart wants..
          OK ewwwwwwwwwwww

    • Poison Ivy

      Thanks JohnP.
      Now remember, this is a homegrown terrorist organization.
      If this were a foreign terrorist cell that had been infiltrated, do you think she would have a chance at any leniency? Even if she was willing to do everything but the actual hands-on violence?
      Personally, I doubt it.

    • Semper Phi

      ” It might have been hard for the undercover agent to avoid laughing when Newman suggested unplugging the TV so the government could not listen in to the meeting…”

      Well, she’s probably extrapolating her technical info about TVs from the from the org’s rules about cell phones. In order to avoid having sessions listened into, PCs and auditors are told to not only turn their cell phones off but also leave them outside the door of the auditing room, lest they somehow spring to life and become a security breach. Every auditing room in session has at least one phone on the floor outside.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      I agree that she may have a few bargaining chips against Brutsche, but the police have probably learned everything she knows through the undercover operation. Her testimony against Brutsche may help. Any half-way decent attorney will try to use mental duress/instability as a mitigation factor. This means, perhaps, the threat of violence from and/or the control by Brutsche. Her biggest source of mental anguish, however, is Miscavige and the CoS.

      At this point, Newman is probably not able to recognize the danger she is in, and she may be so opposed to psychiatry that she refuses this defense. It won’t be long, however, before she realizes how alone she is. At that point, she will spill the beans on what she has lived with for the past 30-40 years. Miscavige does not want the lurid details of his “disciplinary methods” to become the focus of this case, and he may pay for her lawyers as a PR necessity. At any rate, there is no way the Hole, the prison environment at Hemet, the abuse of members etc., will be kept out of this case. It is too juicy a story–sixty something ladies turning terrorist after 30 years under Miscavige’s iron (tiny) fist.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Nix seriousness on Devon Newman.

      We in RTC will have her wog attorneys cop a plea on a reduced charge of stupidity in the third degree and have her out in no time.

      • GlibWog

        I think she would rather go to jail than to the Hole 8

        • Minion Gayle

          Sounds like a better retirement plan than the one she had.

          • GlibWog

            Absolutely Minion.. 3 hots and a Cot at least!

            • Minion Gayle

              Even prison food is better than what they get in the Sea Org.

    • J. Swift

      Devon Newman is a would be “Cop Killer” who was arrested before she could actually take place in the kidnap, imprisonment, and murder of a Las Vegas police officer.

      The incontrovertible evidence shows that Devon Newman was willing to imprison, and murder a police officer. This is why I think a Nevada jury convicts her, and the judge sentences her to 25-to-life.

      The charges are felony conspiracy and the elements of conspiracy are present. A conspiracy is defined as two or more people planning to commit a crime or crimes. This all the prosecutors need to prove and they have the evidence on tape.

      What makes this case so heinous is that Devon Newman was actively plotting to kill a cop.

    • Candygram

      I honestly wonder how hapless she can be considered after she goes into detail about the body, the bag, the bleach and the vinegar. Sounds like she has done it before. Is that the kind of “administrative” work that scored her the PR director job?

  • sugarplumfairy

    “…Newman stated that ‘it didn’t matter what the place was as long as we had a way to restrain the individuals so they couldn’t escape.’ Newman said that we could ‘…get a place with either cinder block walls or something…”

    She could have offered them that cinder block lined room at Trementina where Scott Campbell was held..

    • DodoTheLaser

      Good point, ain’t it?

    • Eivol Ekdal

      The location in the Surviving Scientology video with Scott Campbell is not Trementina but near Reserve NM… (33.825355,-108.630922)
      http://goo.gl/maps/rRtKu

      • sugarplumfairy

        Geography is not my strong suit.. That’s why I had to leave at 8am for a 2:15 show when I’m maybe 100 miles away..

    • i-Betty

      Shiiiiiiit…..

      Horrors.

    • DamOTclese2

      There’s always room for more at The Hole out at Hemet, yeah.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Later, SPs.. I’m off to the big city to see TomKat..

    • tetloj

      Woohoo. Enjoy. Say hi to TNMTC

    • i-Betty

      Have the best time, Fairy! Boo, can’t we come, too? :(

      • GlibWog

        Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I wanna come too

    • DamOTclese2

      Be sure to bring a towel!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Well duh, you should ALWAYS bring a towel.

        • Claude

          A towel is possibly one of the most useful things in the universe

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Precisely!

      • sugarplumfairy

        A towel? There’s a pool?

  • Jeb Burton

    As much as I abhor Scientology, I dont think the cult has any responsibility in the Newman case. For once, as far as we know, DM wasnt involved in any way. Man, I hate being fair. But I do love the headline, “Attempted cop killing scientologist arrested”. Tony, will the press be allowed anywhere near the gala? I would assume they will not get within a mile of it. Perhaps you could interview Sheriff Baca by phone during the week, if he would agree to do an interview. Which I doubt.

    • Jvm3

      Yeah I said about the same yesterday, that this isn’t really about Scientology other than her connection. The reaction was great. It was immediately pointed out to me how I am supporting LRH’s policy of killing and destroying. Don’t be fair, guy.

      • Jeb Burton

        I know what you mean jvm. When I pointed out Leah probably wont do an in depth interview because of her alleged book deal, I was accused of being OSA and a troll.

        • villagedianne

          Even a group dedicated to exposing rigid, black and white thinking, has to guard against it’s own rigid, black and white thinking.
          Could lead to fair game! (just kidding!!!!)

        • ThetaBara

          The alleged book deal was alleged by the tabloids. No reliable source has confirmed. FYI.

          • Jeb Burton

            Wheres the tell all interview? She is seeing dollars in my opinion.

            • Captain Howdy

              Maybe she doesn’t want to do a tell all interview. I’ve seen nothing to indicate that her and her family members (excluding her sister) aren’t still practicing scientologists. Perhaps she’s worried about her and her famly’s “religion” being “mocked”.

            • ThetaBara

              She has no obligation to tell anything on your schedule, dude. She just got out, after being in since she was SIX, and convincing her entire family to blow. She’s decompressing from teh mindfsck. Leave her be.

      • villagedianne

        There is some amount of group-think in every group, even in a group that exposes group-think.

    • 0tessa

      I’m not so sure about that. Scientology’s OSA has a history of infiltration. When Mrs Newman gets one of those famous Scientology consiglieri’s as laywer, then I’ll bet OSA was involved one way or the other.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I think she’s on her own. She won’t get a high price Sci lawyer. At this point, Devon is a nobody to Scientology Inc.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          It won’t be long before Newman realizes she is on her own. Her church has abandoned her and her new “friends,” are not in that cell with her. Her court appointed attorney will immediately identify her mental instability as a possible defense or mitigation factor. You can bet that a psychiatric assessment is in Newman’s future. Once she grasps that she needs a defense, Newman will tell the world about her “terrible” experiences in the CoS. The media will love stories about 60 something ladies locked in Scientology prisons (even if she never spent time in the Hole, I am sure she has stories concerning friends she watched being locked up and/or abused). In a legal system where abusive childhoods are presented as mitigating factors, it is a slam dunk to bring up the fact that she spent decades in a “brainwashed cult” that tortures its members. Miscavige is probably tearing his hair out trying to figure out a way to shut her up before she starts to discuss the last 30-40 years of her life.

          • Unex Skcus

            IIRC, John P sugested that she might end up with a Co$ lawyer, so that the Co$ connection doesn’t get examined too closely?

            • John P.

              Actually, I didn’t suggest that; I think someone responding to one of my comments raised the possibility. Remember: the cult doesn’t seem to care much what the rest of the world thinks about various acts of idiocy. They seem to be only interested in managing perception of existing members, which is why their “Karin Pouw” rebuttals are so ludicrous to us.

              I don’t think there’s much chance that people are going to bolt the cult over Newman’s misdeeds. Leah Remini’s defection is a significantly more serious issue because she got out with her family intact and thus, disconnection didn’t really affect her. Newman is a low-grade embarrassment, not much more than that. We’ll still be enjoying the lulz long after her case is utterly forgotten within the cult and also by the larger population.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Hey, if I were her lawyer, that’s what I’d go for.. Not guilty by reason of scientology-related insanity..

      • villagedianne

        Even if it were the case that OSA was involved, which I personally doubt, Scientology has a history or kicking people to the curb if they get caught.
        I just had a crazy thought, that COS might assist a group that creates fear in the public, so they can present themselves as the saviors of society. Scientology is always worse than you think, but is this idea too paranoid?

        • GSioux

          Not at all paranoid – the “greater good” always prevails. Time will tell in this case.

    • i-Betty

      I would LOVE Tony to interview Lee Baca. The Fringes demand answers!

    • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

      The cult kept a woman capable of doing this in a position of power and trust for years. So, yeah, it does have to do with Scientology. If Donald Trump employed someone as his pr director who did this, it would have to do with Donald Trump.

    • DamOTclese2

      It would be the first time a Scientology crime loon made a decision without clearing it with DM first.

    • Kim O’Brien

      i see what you mean in a way …but squeaky fromme carved a swaztika ( sp? ) on her forehead for Manson …so did some of his other followers. Scientologists just don’t think the law applies to them …that plays into why they break the law. Her ‘religion” has allowed her to think that way , it insists that she feel that way and insists that she act that way . The fact that she got caught …makes her a bad scientologist ….and scientology makes her a crazy person.

    • Captain Howdy

      You don’t think that the “tech” bears any possible responsibility for turning her into an obviously unstable person?

  • Illinoisian

    “Newman stated she was going to create a master list of words and what
    these words represented so they could all talk in code on the
    telephone.” Then word clearing, and finally, a clay demo of the operation.

    • i-Betty

      Snort! Stop it. I shouldn’t be laughing!

      • GlibWog

        UH.. Snicker Snort Betty.. Jeeze

        • i-Betty

          Sorry, milady! I shan’t slip up again.

          At the weekend I did a real, genuine snickersnort in the middle of a wedding ceremony when my friend’s fascinator (which was so ridiculously huge) fell backwards off her head and knocked the hymn book out of the hands of the man behind her. :D

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Please word clear “fascinator” for me. This does not compute in American English.

            • villagedianne

              It’s a style of hat that sits way toward the front of the head and tilts straight upward. One of Fergie’s daughters wore this style of hat to the Will and Kate royal wedding, and she got ridiculed for it.

            • i-Betty

              This was the one you’re talking about, Diane. It was worn by Princess Beatrice and was a source of great amusement :D It was given its own Facebook page and Twitter account. And now I promise not to post any more pictures of girl stuff!

            • cicely neville

              First time I saw this pic I thought she was wearing antlers.

            • Illinoisian

              Intended from the start to raise funds for charity, I believe.

              “A hat that created a stir when Britain’s Princess Beatrice wore it to
              last month’s royal wedding sold for more than $130,000 Sunday in an
              online auction to benefit charities for children.”

              http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/celebrity.news.gossip/05/22/beatrice.hat/index.html

            • Observer

              Well, it does look like a toilet seat tied up with a bow.

            • Missionary Kid

              Perfect.

            • Captain Howdy

              And who sez the royal family are inbred idiots?

            • Claude

              A classic look, practical and versatile

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Is this considered fashionable on Marcab?

            • i-Betty

              This is very similar to the one she was wearing. As a man you will probably shake your head in disbelief, but as a woman I can only look and lust!

            • marti

              Is that BTN wearing a fascinator?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Oh shit, you’re in trouble when she sees this.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Wow, I can’t imagine ANYONE pulling that off as a good look. To each their own, I guess. I thought the hats those ladies wore for the Kentuy Derby were funny. They nothing on this!

          • nessness

            Well, at least it lived up to it’s name…

          • GlibWog

            hahahhhaahahha .. That is cute.. I would have lost it too

    • mirele

      This is so Scientological, even without the word clearing and clay demo.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Anyone can have delusions. Only scientologists pay to play them. Scientology is All about Delusions and scientologists are the epitome of The Great Enablers. Did you catch the part in that report where somehow damn if she didn’t use the Donations word. Can’t wait to hear who all Don’t show up tonight.

        Well, off to catch up on all I didn’t get done yesterday, which is just about everything. But I had to stop in drop off my daily Super Power PSA.

        http://i42.tinypic.com/2hg446a.jpg

        • GlibWog

          OOOOOOOOOOOOh fabulous Hole.. Wow.. So powerful.. chills ( Plus so Artistic)

    • DamOTclese2

      Now THAT would have added some humor to the insane Scientology loon’s crimes. Clay demo the kidnapping, pretend trial, and murder. It’s a wonder the insane fuck didn’t think of that.

  • Krew13

    Which laughable Z-list celebs will be turning up to the gala? Don’t the likes of Top Gun and Look Who’s Talking give these events a wide berth? Will Jenna “Did you rape a baby?” Elfman, Kirstie Fatass Alley, Michelle “I left a high paying job because I was told to” Stafford and Giovanni “Psychiatry is evil” Ribisi turn up? Music provided by Chick Corea, psychosis provided by Mismidget.

    • Jvm3

      I’m glad you left out Nancy Cartwright. I don’t care how much money she’s put in. She’s Bart F. Simpson.

      • Krew13

        She’s still retarded.

  • dwayners13 .

    Test

    • 1subgenius

      It didn’t work.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        First laugh of the day…smartass.

    • i-Betty

      Hello! :D

    • DamOTclese2

      Welcome to The Bunker. Stock up on popcorn and, as Towelie always says, “Be sure to bring a towel!”

  • Krew13

    This interview is very lulzy, mainly for 5:19 where he says “But that’s not the perception out there”. The irony is hilarious.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8q2NZZhlps

    • i-Betty

      Watching it now. At 1:10 where he says to the interviewer, “put your manners back in” I let out an audible ARGH! Shudder. That itchy moment when Sciloon celebs allow sci-talk to creep into their public persona. I don’t suppose they’re even aware they’re doing it.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Read it and say it enough and it becomes second nature. Just the other day, in all seriousness, I said to someone at work,”I just had a cognition!” I then proceeded to describe some problem I had just solved. He looked at me like WTF did you just say? I need to get away from here.

        • i-Betty

          Lol, noooo! *hugs*

          Shake it off, L. Wrong, shake it off! The buggers are getting inside your head :D

        • ThetaBara

          Mr Bara is starting to pick up some of the jargon, which helps. My fave is still “bullshitness.” Which I think I invented. LOL.

        • villagedianne

          I’ve done the same thing. Mostly I don’t like Hubbard-speak. Except for enturbulate. Enturbulate is a great word! I’m enturbulated when I use COS buzzwords.

          • ThetaBara

            2! 4! 6! 8!
            Everyone Enturbulate!

            Spellcheck did NOT know what to make of “Enturbulate!” LOL!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Could these be the Scientology cheerleaders?

            • GlibWog

              hahahhahahahhaha.. NOW THAT is funny.. Hmmm can I be the one on the far left.. I always wanted to go Goth.. ( It’s my inner child) Yippee..

            • Candygram

              I think I’m the one second from the left…

            • GlibWog

              Oh Yay Candy.. Beside me standing strong.. woo hoo..

            • villagedianne

              2 4 6 8!
              Everyone Enturbulate!
              3 5 7 9!
              Bunker folks are mighty fine!
              Wheeeeeeeeeere’s Shelley?
              Wheeeeeeeeeere’s Shelley?

          • Observer

            I also love enturbulate. It’s the only fun word Hubbard ever made up.

          • marti

            Such enturbulence the CO$ causes.

            .

          • RMycroft
        • Captain Howdy

          I do that all the time. It use to alarm me.

      • filosofa

        Maybe they hope these demented phrases will catch on with the wog public and they’re trying to ceate a new meme. A kind of KSW version of subliminal messages.

        Do I need to create a hand-crafted tinfoil hat now?

        • ze moo

          When talking about the clampire, you can’t have too much tin foil.

          • filosofa

            Right – I’ll get some emergency tinfoil in, stat. Thanks for the heads-up.

            Love the term “clampire” BTW. The Clamphire Strikes Back?

    • Lark Smith

      The creepy vibes TinyTom gives off are off the charts. He comes off as an arrogant imbecile in all his interviews relating to CO$.

      • Missionary Kid

        What do you expect from a group that’s all arrogant imbecility?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Now we know where the “lunatic fringe” comment came from. Start at 5:00 if you don’t want to watch the whole thing. Wow, Davey boy holds a grudge, huh? That interview was almost 10 years ago. I can just imagine that he flew off he handle in a fit of rage that this interviewer dared to come to “my building” and ask such questions. Fantastic!

    • Captain Howdy

      I’ve watched this before, but it’s even “better” a second time.

      “Peter…Peter…Peter..you’ve crossed a line…Hey Peter!.. http://youtu.be/nS_fNPzXhoc

      I find Tom Cruise APPALLING

      • GlibWog

        Absolutely Bat Shit Appalling Whack job..I can NOT stomach him.

    • Candygram

      He always looks like he’s lying.

  • BananaSplits8

    Despite Sherrif Baca’s planned appearance and LAPD’s questionable rigor when they located Shelly Miscavige, it’ll be interesting to see if the cos will start having noticeable or verifiable difficulty getting off-duty cops to provide security for their events.

    • Phil McKraken

      Not at all. A cash-paying moonlighting gig doing light crowd control is just fine. Off-duty cops take them as they come, and why would the average cop know or care about what is Scientology?

      • BananaSplits8

        I suppose the average cop would know about the same as any average citizen: it’s a creepy cult. The gig is a little more than light crowd control; sometimes protesters are there. Now a scilon, in the context of the sovereign movement has been charged with conspiracy and attempted kidnapping with a deadly weapon on a police officer.

        I dunno, scale of interest for cos cash could be tipping. However, since it found out about Newman’s arrest, the cos has probably been on overdrive with LE specifically distancing itself from her and generally from the sovereign movement…

        I hate when I talk myself out of my own point.

      • DamOTclese2

        An envelope fulla cash trumps ethics and morality for most cops, yeah.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      I hope that the LAPD recognizes that the moonlighting arrangement provides it with a good cover for an investigation. Miscavige’s paranoia, however, probably will be so great after this sting operation, he may stop using moonlighting police officers, and rely solely on private security guards.

  • Jvm3

    Posting this again for the new article. KTNV News jailhouse interview with David Allen Brutsche

    http://www.ktnv.com/multimedia/videos/?bctid=2625550843001

    • ThetaBara

      Thanks for the links.

  • i-Betty

    “(See our previous story about where we think she is.)”

    Dearest Mr T, you might have missed cross-linking to your original story about Shelly’s whereabouts, like you would normally do?

    What freaks me out about this pair of jokers is that they’re talking throughout of police officers in the plural! How many were they planning to kidnap? David Brutsche is one of the most genuinely frightening-looking people I have ever seen.

    And what ON EARTH is with Lee Baca and his partisan approach to CoS? In the UK he would be toppled from his professional perch in an instant by an outraged populace. I do not understand how he’s allowed to get away with it.

    Put him in the stocks and pelt him with rotten eggs, I say!

    • Jvm3

      Yeah but it’s way easier to take stuff away from your constables because they don’t have guns.

      • i-Betty

        Heh, are you envisaging a struggle if Baca is deposed?

        • Jvm3

          No I was only kidding! Constables are cute with their hats and their clubs, that’s all.

          • i-Betty

            Be honest, now: you really want to wear the one second from left! :D

            (Sadly, a proper old-school Bobby helmet is getting to be a rare sight on the streets these days.)

            • Jvm3

              Haha yeah that’s how I always picture constables, with the “pc custodian” I didn’t know females rocked bowler hats tho

            • RMycroft

              Shouldn’t they have something cooler for when handling some Daft Punk?

            • Casabeca

              Especially if they’re up all night to get lucky!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Haha! I see what you did there.

        • Jvm3

          I don’t know about LA politics as I’m not from there. But the county is almost half Hispanic and Baca is Mexican-American. That may have something to do with it.

          • Missionary Kid

            I doubt it has any major effect, but that’s just my opinion.

    • DamOTclese2

      Baca knows damn well he’s working for organized crime. He’s a shitting Republican, zero ethics when it comes to envelopes full of cash.

    • Casabeca

      You all do not mess around, love it!

  • Mark

    “Newman states the dead officer can be placed into a heavy duty plastic bag and they can pour bleach and vinegar all over the body. Newman adds that the bleach and vinegar will destroy all DNA evidence, fingerprints
    and fibers that may be on the body.”

    Oy vey. So not only were these morons going to make clouds of poisonous chlorine gas by mixing sodium hypochlorite and acetic acid – they would have sealed this muck into a heavy-duty plastic bag – which would probably have exploded.

    Vinegar and bleach are mixed by the ignorant as a toilet-cleaner: the vinegar supposedly removes limescale while the bleach disinfects, overlooking the fact that chemicals react with each other. Newman’s brain may have been addled by all the chlorine she’d been breathing in over the years – as well as the $cientology rubbish she absorbed.

    • DamOTclese2

      I was wondering where the insane Scientology loon got the notion from, it was almost certainly from some television show or Fox “News.” Something right winger.

      • Mark

        • Poison Ivy

          Aha! She got the idea off pinterest!
          How ‘crafty’ of her!

      • Bradley Greenwood

        Sorry. Insanity inhabits both ends of the political spectrum. If you are waiting for either “wing” to be the source of solutions, I have an Org I can sell you.
        Engaging in partisanship has, almost without exception, not been a feature of this blog.
        We stray far enough already.

      • Peter

        Rather than all the left winger news shows? ROFL Anyone who buys into the Left and Right are merely hypnotized into believing there is any real difference. In the end, there is less freedom, more governmental intrusion. Or haven’t you been reading the news that the government now reads and records ALL your emails? And doesn’t have to let you know they’re doing it? This, of course, under a decidedly left wing government, especially at the top. And you think scio is dangerous????? Amazing.

  • 1subgenius

    Baca, if asked, has a good out in that most crimes are committed by people with some religious affiliation.
    Its a non-starter. There are bigger questions about his endorsement of the criminal organization.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I just got a copy of “Fundamentals of Public Relations”. That’s FUN DUH MENTALS. It is 37 pages long, with another 11 pages or so with the list of “churches”, about L.Ron, promo for the Scientology handbook and other fillers. Now, of the 37 pages, five pages are comic book pages done with photos instead of drawings. YOU MIGHT EXPECT TO SEE THAT SORT OF THING IN A GRADE THREE READER.

    I did not calculate the Flesch-Kincaid reading grade level of the book. It is above grade three but the sentences are short and the words are not terribly long or confusing. (It would take a little while to figure out the exact reading level. It will be a busy day today and I might do it later on.) My guess is that the book is aimed at someone who reads at the high school level.

    I have to wonder if Devon Newman became an L.Ron certified expert and hat wearer using this book. If so, we have nothing to worry about.

    Tommy was the PR expert I have been most familiar with. He managed to continue being their spokesman, even when he had nothing to say but lies. Reading the book, I understand his logic. Hubbard wants Scientologists to be informative. Hubbard says, if information is not given to the public someone in our cynical world will fill the need for the information with lies. Tommy also lied, of course.

    In the book, Hubbard tells PR people not to lie. That is only window dressing. But Scientology higher ups could have easily dismissed Tommy from the post because he went against L.Ron’s written commands.

    • deselby

      One of the charming things about Hubbard is that he was kind of stuck at young reader level his whole life.

      • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

        And yet he was difficult to understand. Overly simplistic, but garbled at the same time.

        • Poison Ivy

          Garbled – because he was making it up as he went along.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      No, Mighty No. It’s “Fund a Mental”. Now go back and reread from the beginning. This time it will All make sense.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        You are right! your way makes way more sense.

    • villagedianne

      Of course “shore stories” are acceptable. Such as when COS presented itself as a “federation of churches” to get into Clearwater, Fla.
      Hubbard spoke out of both sides of his mouth, as usual.

    • DamOTclese2

      “YOU MIGHT EXPECT TO SEE THAT SORT OF THING IN A GRADE THREE READER.”

      To be fair, that’s about right to match the typical American these days. :( I blame television and religion.

  • dwayners13 .

    Combining the views held by “sovereign citizens” with some of the views/policies found in Scientology is truly a match made in hell & could only result in something bad. I’m guessing Newman was planning to conduct her own “Committee of Evidence” & use Miscavige’s model of ‘the hole” for her makeshift jail.I wonder how many Sea Org members (& hours) it will take to remove any & all traces of Devon Newman from Scientology.

    • DamOTclese2

      If the crime syndicate is going to scrub all mention of their killer wannabes, they have to employ intelligent people who know computers, know the Internet, and can actually do a half-way job (nothing disappears from the Internet.) Seeing as how the crime syndicate doesn’t have any customers with IQs above high 70s, they’ll have to employ contractors, companies that do the job.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    “You have to keep them separate from others that would be in the jail.’ Newman further stated ‘whatever place we get to house the prisoners in, has to be a place where people couldn’t hear the prisoners screaming.’”

    Ah,I see her Sea Org training has served her well!

    • aquaclara

      Frightening. I just hope that the Las Vegas police are also planning to interview the other staff at the org, examine the computers being used, and request the auditing files for both Newman and Brutsche. Act this crazy, and co-workers may notice something.

      If the auditing files show anything, then the church should have reported it. I’m guessing that the shredders are already working, though…

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        If they didn’t do it the same day as her arrest, there won’t be anything left. Shredding party would be over. In this case I doubt she blabbed anything in a sec check. If she had, she would have been “transferred out” not at all unlike the reaction in catholic priest molestation cases. She would have been disappeared likely out of the country too. That doesn’t mean she might not have told someone personally what she was up to.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Clearly she has done time in The Tunnels in PAC.

    • DamOTclese2

      Yeah. Why do I see, “You don’t have the RANK!!!11 to escape!”

    • q-bird

      oh Bury, when I got to this part of dox, late, late last night, I had to stop.. .

    • Bradley Greenwood

      Like an org… but not “screaming” at ashtrays.

  • Ivan Mapother

    Sheriff Lee Baca seems to endorse psych drugs in this video. Do his clam friends know this or is he just an opportunist?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57572686/patients-as-prisoners-jails-new-mental-health-institutions/

    • i-Betty

      Great find. That’s exactly what he’s saying, and perhaps the only sensible thing I’ve ever heard him utter.

      • ze moo

        Big Pharma can pay to play too. Any large population with a jail system has psych cell blocks and lots of psychiatrists to help.

    • DamOTclese2

      The crime syndicate doesn’t care, all they do is hand Baca the cash and order him what to say.

  • Real Shellback

    “Newman said she that she was nervous about things and asked [an undercover agent] if they would unplug their television from the wall so that the authorities couldn’t (sic) listen to the meeting.”

    That kind of sums up the level of crazy in my mind. I run into people from time to who really believe that TV is a kind of 1984 Telescreen that acts as a bug in their home. Not t sound too paranoid, but if somebody really wanted to bug a house, unplugging the TV would do nothing. A device the size of a coin could save 24 hours of video data and transmit this by command or at random intervals. It’s a combination of paranoia and innate ignorance of the level of technology available. All the while (and I love this part) she was communicating with a real live police spy and had no idea.

    All of this coupled with the very concept that she could be part of a conspiracy to kidnap an officer of the law, hold him prisoner, run a kangaroo court on him and execute him? This is insane the nth degree. No fiction can be this bizar.

    • ThetaBara

      Haven’t you ever seen Max Headroom?
      But, yeah.

      • filosofa

        Loooved Max Headroom.

        • DamOTclese2

          What the fuck happened to Max Headroom? Fuck, man, I loved that series. Guess not enough people appreciated the intellectual aspects of the show. :(

          • Poison Ivy

            That was before the time of premium cable TV that didn’t depend on ratings or sponsors.
            I can see it working on one of those networks today.

          • ThetaBara

            It was really expensive to produce, and it mocked the hell out of television networks and advertising, so I think it was a bit of a tough sell. I loved it too. :-)

        • RMycroft

          [Janie Crane presses a button on a television, turning it off.]
          Janie Crane: “An off switch?”
          Metrocop: “She’ll get years for that. Off switches are illegal!”

        • Eclipse-girl

          So did my husband and I. But have you seen it recently? Unfortunately its very dated.

          • ThetaBara

            Have the whole thing on DVD and still love it. But, I’m old. ;-)

    • DamOTclese2

      Check *any* right wing conspiracy look, they all have equally insane notions, whether it’s “Chemtrails” or “Obama is a Muslim” or “United Nations One World Government,” every right wing dingbat is crammed packed with insane, delusional notions.

    • WhereIsSHE

      Actually,
      I believe that around the time she made the request to unplug the TV, there were news reports about how people WERE being watched through their (smart) TVs!!
      I don’t think it’s evidence of paranoid shizophrenia, because there are no other instances of such comments throughout the report.
      I think it’s likely that she had just seen a recent news report.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    The only thing in today’s posting that makes me disgusted, is that Lee Baca is stupid enough…or CROOKED enough to front Scientology. The other two, in LV, are simply a couple of insane simpletons. They will go through psych evaluations, before going to the slammer (certainly her). I would LOVE to see her “interrogated” by the “evil” psychiatrist.

    • Graham

      Stupid, crooked….. or perhaps they have something on him??

      • Bradley Greenwood

        We both know how very POSSIBLE that could be. Certainly more possible than any compensation, financial, or otherwise.

    • villagedianne

      Maybe they just have him bamboozled. A former cult apologist recently came out and said he was fooled because the COS people he met were people he liked personally.
      On the other hand, doesn’t Baca read the papers or watch the news? As another poster here said today, I hate when I talk myself out of my own point!

  • Bradley Greenwood

    Why “classified” instead of “confidential”.

    • Victoria Pandora

      i wondered that too, it isnt exactly national security, or is it?
      maybe there’s an ongoing investigation. one could hope.

    • DamOTclese2

      Some fascist pigs like to claim things are “classified” because it makes them feel special, in-the-know, more professional and “connected” than they actually are. The FBI shitbags like to use “classified” and no doubt the idiot cop thought he’d try to play pretend and use the term just like the big boys do.

  • filosofa

    Quick question for the Bunkerites – does Disqus eat posts ever.
    A comment I posted about an hour ago appeared for a short while, got one uptick, then disappeared into the ether. I hear Tony does not remove posts and this one was fairly innocuous – just a couple of questions for Sheriff Baca and wishing him a great evening.
    Am scared. And puzzled.

    • aquaclara

      Sometimes. Try refreshing, and then check your settings at the top to know whether you’re looking at “newest” or “oldest.” ….

      • filosofa

        Thanks aqauclara. Done all of the above.Twice. Seems my lil’ comment has gone awol. Sad now as I was quite pleased with it.

        It began “Sheriff Baca – watch and learn. This is how REAL policing is done” It ended with “Hope this helps. Have a great evening” If anyone should catch sight of it please give it a saucer of milk and send it home to mama. Thank you.

        • i-Betty

          Aww, heehee!

        • Jvm3

          Was it a new post or a reply to someone? If the OP deletes their comment, all the comments in the thread go with it.

          • filosofa

            It was a reply to somebody – don’t remember who. Wonder if that’s what happened. The plot thickens…

            • Jvm3

              Yeah. Probably waited for your comment, copied, deleted the thread and split. You got jacked

            • filosofa

              Golly! Really? I didn’t even know that could happen. Oh, well – will just have to re-post it. Hey ho…

            • i-Betty

              Don’t worry :) I’ve been watching the comments closely this morning and there hasn’t been anything ‘off’ or nasty. I think Disqus just ate you up this morning. It’s throwing up all manner of quirks and problems today.

              However, I did not know that about entire threads being deleted once the OP deletes their comment, Jvm3. I guess it works the same as on a forum.

            • filosofa

              Thanks i-betty, you’re very sweet. I was a bit worried. But I’ve just re-posted Mk 2 ,so all’s well that ends well. :)

        • q-bird

          And this has happened to me too. Gone today, back in the thread tomorrow maybe.
          To see if it did post: open a new tab & go to Disqus.com, then click on your dashboard, you should see your comment there… see if it really IS AWOL.
          I don’t know if this helps.

          • filosofa

            Hey – great resource. Many thanks for that. Not there so will have to post again. Gah!

      • SopranoAscends

        I think the default is “newest.” I’m not sure how to restore the defaults, but I’ve never tried to change the settings.

    • Graham

      It has it’s little quirks. Yesterday in kept forcing me down to the bottom of the page. I’d keep scrolling up and it would keep pushing me back down!

      Something I only found out recently: the default is to show ‘best’ comments at the top (ie those which get the most up-ticks). Thus the order of post keeps changing, which can be confusing if you are trying to find yours. Just beneath the message box at the top, at left, is a drop-down which allows you to choose best, newest or oldest. Hope that’s useful to someone!

      • BananaSplits8

        While we’re on the subject: pics don’t show up unless I refresh but if I do, I lose the unread comments which is practical when the thread is very busy and/or very large. Is there a trick to refresh without losing track of new comments?

        • i-Betty

          I would like to know this too, please. I suspect there isn’t a fix, sadly.

        • Semper Phi

          I wait for a moment when there are no “comments above” or “comments below” notices, then quickly refresh the page. The pictures appear, but I don’t miss any updates.

      • filosofa

        Thanks Graham. Checked to see if that was happening, but no. Will wait a while before re-posting it in case it returns with its tail between its legs. Bad Post, baaad boy.

      • Mooser

        Yes, it is very useful to me, and thank you. I couldn’t get the comment feature to open at all in IE8, but I’m a regular Luddite. It works well in Mozilla. But as far as the default “best” comments. I’ve found “newest” to be the least confusing option. And the way replies are handled (‘New comment above’, ‘new comment below’ thing) is useless.

      • Sidney18511

        I had the opposit happen. Trying to go down and it brought me up…….to the top of Tony’s site. If I tried to reply…….zoom…..to the top of the site.

      • Mark

        It’s acting up in other ways now, and doesn’t zoom automatically up or down to the relevant “New post above/below” when I click on the pop-up – just moves up or down a screen’s-worth. It started doing this on Chrome, and then the avatars stopped showing; and now it’s playing the same dirty trick in Firefox. (This despite re-installs). Diksuqs!

        • Captain Howdy

          Same here.

        • SopranoAscends

          Sometimes you can get it to behave by closing all windows, then clearing your cache, and restarting. For as bad as Vista O.S. was, I am newly hitched to Win-8, and it’s been glitchy; still on the upward curve. O Mac, how I miss thee!

      • Candygram

        Yeah I just noticed that too. Strange thing is … My comments on “best” posts seem to disappear too.

    • Candygram

      I’ve been having the same experience. I figured my Onion repost might have been hidden for being so off-topic. But my other comments were on-topic.

      • filosofa

        Hi Candygram. Weird that you’ve had it happen to you too. My missing post never re-appeared but I don’t think The Bunker has an “on-topic only” so I’m not concerned.

  • BosonStark

    Although Tony’s articles today and yesterday might help, I have a feeling no one will bring this to Baca’s attention. It’s not like some underling is going to tell him, “Hey did you hear about those two cop-killer nuts in Las Vegas? One is a clam!”

    • DamOTclese2

      And Baca will say, “Oh noes! Does this mean I’m not going to get my envelope fulla cash this week?!”

  • villagedianne

    Here is what I don’t get. If this kidnapping and murder was supposed to be a powerful revolutionary act against the police, then why were they so intent on keeping it a secret? As a symbolic act against their “oppressors” what’s the point of doing it if it is not publicized in some way? Otherwise it’s just a brutal senseless murder. Yep.

    • DamOTclese2

      What usually follows murders is the right wing lunatic Republican rant that gets mailed out to various newspapers anonymously, explaining their “blow against Communism” and “Socialism” and “Homosexuality” and no end of lunatic Republican screed. You can bet that the insane loons already worked it out on clay, already had the text of their after-murder letter writing running through their Republican heads.

  • Missionary Kid

    I was trying to figure out what the hell “eye sockets” were in that context. I believe they meant eye bolts, for securing chains to a wall.

    • DamOTclese2

      The cops got in to law enforcement work because they couldn’t do carpentry. :)

  • Captain Howdy

    Brutsche and Newman seems to possibly be a case of “Folie à deux”.

    “In terms of criminal behavior, folie a deux is used to describe a psychotic bond between two individuals who bring out the worst in one another. Each member of the folie a deux incites and encourages negative behavior in the other member, causing him/her to commit acts that he/she may not have engaged in otherwise.”

    Previous infamous cases of folie à deux include Charles Starkweather/Caril Ann Fugate, Ian Brady/Myra Hindley, Paul Bernardo/ Karla Homolka.

    The Peter Jackson film “Heavenly Creatures” beautifully captures the fantasy world/mindset of such cases.

    • i-Betty

      I concur, m’lud. Brutsche is clearly the dominant force here. Newman comes over as a slightly pathetic figure. That’s not to take away from the evil of their joint intentions, but I do suspect Brutsche pulled out her pin and let her loose.

    • ze moo

      Arlo Guthrie called this the Group “W” bench in ‘Alice’s Restaurant’.

      • DamOTclese2

        I was surprised to find that Guthrie was still doing tours. :) Damn I wish I had a car, I’d like to see Guthrie when next he gets out to the Best Coast.

    • Victoria Pandora

      in scio speak it is called “mutual out rudiments” they just needed a little session, lol.
      this story is beyond creepy. i’d like to know how they met this undercover cop… how stupid can you get?
      i am going to make the big picture book of scientology mug shots. let’s get busy getting it into all the libraries on teegeack!

      • DamOTclese2

        The cop was already infiltrated in to a “sovereign citizens” Republican group when the insane Scientology loon was already in the same group, most likely.

        • D.Y.G.

          Could be, could be. It will be interesting to find out how it all went down.

          It’s gotten harder to physically infiltrate extremist groups, especially one that is so loosely knit as the sovereign movement. While they increase in the sheer number across the country, they are also very insulated and paranoid.

      • D.Y.G.

        Oh, it was almost certainly an informant who led police to them.

        Domestic terrorist: I need pipe bombs.
        Trusted Confident (also an informant): I know a great guy who makes pipe bombs, and he also happens to believe exactly what you believe!.
        Domestic terrorist: Let’s meet him!

        Informant brings guy to meet them, and he happens to be an undercover cop. Ding!

    • Mooser

      The two guys in “In Cold Blood” what’re their names?….oh yeah, Hickok and Smith? Now there’s classic folie a’ deux. Not to mention Capote’s rip-off of Harper Lee, who did most of the work on the book.

      • cicely neville

        I lost all respect for Capote when i learned that he wrote to a friend that he didn’t know what he’d do if those two weren’t executed – it would ruin the end of his book. The relatives and friends of the victims who he interviewed also felt betrayed.

  • Jeb

    The value of informing the LAPD of the behaviour of the Sheriff’s Department shouldn’t be underestimated. The LAPD will be PISSED OFF at this behaviour, and there is always inherent tension between the police and sheriff departments. They need to work together, and this could make things difficult for the sheriffs.

  • GlibWog

    Enjoy LIfe in the Bunker Today my Buddies.. Car Shopping..

    Am I the only one who read.. ” Attaching Fortifications …” As Attaching for Fornication?

    Also Baca.. Can’t stand looking at that Slime Ball. Sickening..

    One More Time.. ” Where’s Shelly” Ain’t buying the BS. Later Baby Glib

    • i-Betty

      LOL! No, my lovely Glibby, it’s only you!

      Have a great day :)

      xxx

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Oh exciting! What ya looking at?

  • Cat Daddy

    LA Sheriff’s Deputy Under Investigation For Endorsing Scientology

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHzCjussTXw

  • Captain Howdy

    How does Lee Baca keep getting re-elected with this perfect bulls-eye glued to his political ass? Does no one in LA County know how to run an effective hardball campaign?

    “He (Baca) opposed the California ban on shark fins”

    Arrgggh! Now I’m definitely putting a curse on this POS.

    • DamOTclese2

      He continues to be elected because nobody runs against him. Nobody with even a smidgen of name recognition or history.

      • Captain Howdy

        He won election in 1998 when the incumbent he was running against died right before the election, Oy vey!

      • ze moo

        Incumbents have a great advantage in all elections. They get name recognition and are first in line at campaign contribution time. All it takes is one person with a law enforcement resume to challenge Baca and the ball could start rolling.

  • Cat Daddy

    Part in the middle

    Grand Opening of the Church of Scientology Los Angeles

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHquV0NTt-M

    • i-Betty

      Check out one of the comments:

      “Emil Karpo 2 years ago

      So Sheriff Baca supports human trafficking?”

    • marti

      I’m seeing a yellow triangle on the padlock on the web address when I view this Youtube.
      Anyone else seeing it?

      • i-Betty

        Yes, you’re absolutely right.

        It means:

        “The site uses SSL, but Google Chrome has detected insecure content on the page. Be careful if you’re entering sensitive information on this page. Insecure content can provide a loophole for someone to change the look of the page.”

        Hmm…..

        • marti

          Is just viewing it safe?

          • i-Betty

            I just don’t know, Marti :( I’m not going to risk it, although it’s a bit late for me now I’ve watched both videos twice. I suspect it’s ok, but it’d be good if a clever IT person could let us know for sure.

            Good spot, thank you.

            • SopranoAscends

              I’m using Chrome, and I do not see the triangle. However, the comments section will not load.

        • marti

          I’m getting the same thing on the vid below – LA Sheriff’s Deputy Under Investigation For Endorsing Scientology.

    • 1subgenius

      Look at how low that podium is. Miscavige must have been on the roster, too.

  • DamOTclese2

    Baca gets envelopes fulla cash to shill for organized crime. The crook runs the Department like a little dictatorship, and no amount of internal investigations in to his collaboration with organized crime would ever go anywhere. It’s going to take the Marshall’s Office or the FBI to take Baca and his regime down.

    • i-Betty

      I wish they’d get on with it! I’ve just been watching a video that Cat Daddy posted earlier of Baca speaking at the opening of CoS in LA and my head is ready to explode with fury at his sycophantic bullshit. And it’s all nonsense and lies! How does he sleep at night?

      • ze moo

        Politicians (successful ones) are well schooled in nonsense and ‘look a squirrel’ english. It is up to the media and electorate to hold them accountable.

    • Kim O’Brien

      can’t people VOTE the guy out ? I mean ..jeebus

      • Captain Howdy

        According to the internets, Baca has strong support among various ethnic communities (Mexican, Chinese) in the county, as well as one other religious group (Muslims).

        • Eclipse-girl

          That is so sad.

      • Unex Skcus

        “whoisleebaca.com” is up for grabs I think….

  • DamOTclese2

    “Membership in groups which advocate violation of the law disqualifies
    an individual from membership in the Church of Scientology”

    ROFL! Oh man, the irony. Scientology *is* organized crime first and foremost. Their owners/operators are *all* criminals, they’re committing massive bunko fraud against people. Does this insane crook think that customers are some how vetted for involvement in other organized crime or individual crime endeavors?

    The spokesclam is an insane crook, a liar.

    • Captain Howdy

      The key word is “groups”

      In truth it should read “You can’t belong to other spiritual or criminal groups if you want to be a member of the church of scientology.”

      • WhereIsSHE

        Now you’re thinking like a (Scientology) lawyer, Cap’n;)

      • DamOTclese2

        Oh yeah! Got to get the wog-to-scientology-customer dictionary to see what “groups” means according to the loons.

  • DamOTclese2

    “Newman stated she was going to create a master list of words and what these words represented so they could all talk in code on the telephone.”

    Which is what the Scientology crime syndicate does. They redefine wog words so much that the insane crooks have to create their own dictionary.

  • DamOTclese2

    “Newman then added that we have to get to [the police] before they get on their radios.”

    Presumably Scientology is unaware that one can purchase a 2-meter radio jammer on line for about $30.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Or that most police departments have computers in police cars, and all police cars and cell phones have GPS. Perhaps, Devon doesn’t have a T.V., and is forced to rely on her memories of police shows from the 50s, 60s, and 70s.

      • 1subgenius

        They would have been so fucked if they had actually tried to carry out this “plan.”
        What could possibly go wrong?

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          This was such an evil, cold blooded plan, it really is reminiscent of Charles Manson: kill in order to demonstrate that no one controls them, make police the enemy, and choose random people for slaughter. If Devon Newman wanted to do this at 67, she probably has been somehow sublimating a coldness within her most of her life. This is not someone who has gone “postal.” Individuals that go postal erupt with rage; this was a calculated operation, planned over months, to commit cold blooded murder. How does someone this cold blooded and evil go undiscovered for so many years?

  • Jeb

    Disqus question – usually, when I hit the “14 new comments below” tab, it automatically takes me to the next new comment below. For 2 days now, this doesn’t work. Anyone else have this problem? Same thing with IE and FF.

    • i-Betty

      Exact same problem here – started this morning.

      • Jeb

        Not a big deal if there are 100 comments, very problematic when there are 1,000 comments!

    • q-bird

      started last night – and it’s a pisser!

    • Mark

      Same here.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I had it too for the last two days. Tonight it seems to be fine.

  • DamOTclese2

    “Newman adds that the bleach and vinegar will destroy all DNA evidence, fingerprints and fibers that may be on the body”

    I wonder where the insane Scientology Republican got that stupid idea. Probably Fox “News.”

    • ze moo

      Somebody watches the bad science on CSI too much.

  • Jvm3

    Off topic, I was going to get this book but the reviews on it are an even gooder read!
    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/179166.Dianetics

    • i-Betty

      Some very funny comments :D

    • aquaclara

      I HAD to check… Yup, even gooder! Hard to keep up these past two days while on the road, but making a mental note for when i am back home to see how to put into “also recommend” all OUR favorite books..Blue Sky, Blown For Good, et al… Now, that will be fun.

      It just might work.

  • MagicJesus

    Protesters should show up wearing Las Vegas PD shirts, uniforms etc…

    • Tory Christman

      Bad idea…I think here in LA you can get arrested for “Impersonating an officer” so be VERY careful
      on this…and know the law before you do any such prank. (IF I were going to, I would a) Look up the law so you can read it and b) Call LAPD because they’re famous for arresting people, and later letting them go. Better to know before you go. ARGH! This is unbelievable,

      Tony O!! This IS getting scary. For years media has asked me: “Could Scientology turn into a Jonestown”. I’ve said “no way” as that was true for me. Then I Met the Headleys (who were both up at Gold) and I asked them the same. Their answer? “Absolutely if Dave ordered it”. I think hitting rock bottom. To those still “in” and lurking: BAIL WHILE U STILL CAN<<<< I'm NOT Kidding! Tory/Magoo

      • Tory Christman

        PS: Sorry, incomplete sentence due to 1st cup of coffee: I think ~they~~ are hitting rock bottom, is what I meant. Happy week-end one and ALL :)

        • aquaclara

          Happy weekend, Tory!

        • 1subgenius

          There is an edit button.
          Hi Tory, how ya doin’? You took a phone call from me years ago, and I was so surprised I almost didn’t know what to say.
          Cheers.

        • MagicJesus

          Well, by “uniform”, I pictured angry gay pope with a LVPD shirt open and tied at the belly, with maybe some hot-pants.

          • tetloj

            Now that’s a tough image to shake

      • villagedianne

        There are actors in New York City who get a lot of work doing background because they own police uniforms. But there are Very Strict rules about wearing these unis anywhere but on set. They can’t even display the uniform when transporting it to set.

        • Claude

          One thing that confuses me about civil uniforms is fireman T-shirts. They wear these on the job, but also tons of civilians wear them, kind of like a souvenir. Odd.

        • wontons

          Are they the Hot Cops?

    • L.L. Cantare J

      How about curly brown wigs?

  • ze moo

    “June 14: “Newman stated she was going to create a master list of words and what these words represented so they could all talk in code on the telephone.”

    Leave it to a clam to ‘word clear’ words related to murder and terrorism. Do you really need to do a clay demo of a murder??

    Lee Baca is a just a politician doing what he can to be seen and heard during his reelection campaign. He’d run over his mother for a sound bite on the evening news. Baca’s ‘gifts’ from the CO$ are far more troubling. The way sheriffs can receive ‘gifts’ from anybody highlights a broken system that is not accountable to the electorate. California newspapers have discussed this problem before, but nothing has been done. Maybe they should close the loopholes. With the LA city police being hired to run security for the clams and Baca getting payments under the table, is it any wonder no one watches the LA $cienos??? The LA Times has ‘asked’ Baca not to run for re-election, it seems he hasn’t taken that advice to heart.

  • SoMissDelicious

    The citizens of LA cannot be this stupid as a whole to keep reelecting this man. I really want to have faith in people but its waning

    • MagicJesus

      Well…..We used to have Mike Carona, who’s sitting in prison.

      • Captain Howdy

        What’s the deal with sheriffs? Baca, Arpiao, Carona, etc. Is it a job that lends itself to corruption and incompetency?

        • SoMissDelicious

          Well, Arpaio isnt incompetent so much as his practices are controversial on the surface and questionable as a whole. He skates the very edge of basic decent living conditions. They may be accused (not always convicted) criminals, but like any human being, should have adequate living conditions. (mind you not saying cable tv and gourmet meals) but tents and bologna sammiches in the phoenix summers? I’m not a fan of those practices

          • 1subgenius

            Mostly county jails house pre-trial prisoners. In other words those who are presumed to be innocent.
            County jails are mostly the worst living conditions.
            When you are guilty you may be sent to prison, which is somewhat better.
            Make sense?
            If I recall correctly this goes back so far that Dickens commented on it.

            • ze moo

              I don’t know how some state do this, but in NY you do time in the county penitentiary if you are sentenced to 1 year or less. The state gets everybody sentenced to 1 year or more. The county gets you until your trial.

            • 1subgenius

              That is the general rule.
              Another weird thing I observed was that you did hard time (county jail) while you were presumed innocent, and often put on probation once you plead guilty.
              So, you’re locked up when you’re innocent, and freed when you’re guilty.
              Shit’s fucked up.

        • SoMissDelicious

          But somethings telling me thats even better than the hole or conditions the Sea Org slaves get :(

        • ze moo

          Any politician/supervisor of a large bureaucracy has room to play games with contracts for goods and services. That is where the payola comes to play. NY City former police chief, Bernie Kerik, got his start as NYC policeman, He did receive commendations for his service as a police officer. Then he became a ‘bodyguard’ for mayor Rudi Giuliani and then got to be Commissioner of NYC Dept of Corrections.

          Around that time he became a bagman for Rudi and started to really climb the ladder. After Rudi got him a job in the Iraq rebuild (for 6 months), he came home and was nominated to be head of Homeland Security. Then the excrement hit the fan and past crimes came to light. Bernie was sentenced to 4 years in jail. When there is room for crime, some will take advantage of it. Some people see the big job as a stepping stone to other office, some take the money and run.

          • Captain Howdy

            You’re right. It’s just that every time I hear about a Sheriff ‘blank”, I think of this guy.

  • Observer

    ..

    • Captain Howdy

      Perfect.

    • Poison Ivy

      Brilliant Obs!

    • ze moo
      • aquaclara

        Soooooo lovely.

      • Captain Howdy

        Hey!…nice video.

        I (obviously) LOVED Scarecrow of Romney Marsh when I was a wee demon.

    • Lark Smith

      Argh! Slappy McNutts with a genuine pig in his pocket.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      LOVES^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    • tetloj

      Is this where the “silly piggy’ part of Espiando’s moniker for Miscavige comes from?

  • Bob

    What is fundamentally apparent is the fact that participation in Scientology can drive you crazy. The potential is there. I have no statistics to compare it with other religions but there seems to be a high incidence of sickness and criminal activity connected with a group with so few members.

    • ThetaBara

      There is a reason they call them “Ronbots.” The whole aim is to transform your mind into a copy of his. And he was a right mess.

  • mook

    predictions for CC Gala: Missacavige will chicken out and not bring Shelley
    -Misscavige will make an ass of himself while giving his speech
    -none of the bigger name stars will show (like at last year’s gala) and the z-listers will walk the red carpet.
    -the cult will pay certain non-CoS affiliated celebs to attend (i.e. Duane Martin and Tisha Campbell last year)

    • Eclipse-girl

      Has there ever been a time when MisCabbage didn’t make an ass of himself?

  • Poison Ivy

    Lee Baca is one of the dirtiest cops in the country and famously dirty, racist, sexist, and ruthless in LA. A civil rights group I was involved in back when I lived there had some run ins with him that were right out of the ’50’s South. Seriously bad guy. And allegedly “untouchable”… why? Does he have dirt on the people who could control him?
    Makes total sense he’d be in bed with Scientology.

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/09/28/aclu-report-sheriff-baca-blasted-and-jail-system-is-called-corrupt-and-brutal/

    http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20120118/aclu-files-class-action-lawsuit-against-la-county-sheriff-lee-baca-top-brass

    http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/30/local/la-me-baca-tanaka-20130501

    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/30/local/la-me-05-01-baca-gifts-20110501

    http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/25/local/la-me-0725-sheriff-20130725

    http://www.zimbio.com/Sheriff+Lee+Baca/articles/qEbIV_NNY0g/13+04+13+untouchables+LA+Sheriff+Lee+Baca

    • 1subgenius

      The two worst sheriffs in America (that I know of) Lee Baca and Joe Arpaio.
      Lee and Joe have got to go.

      • Casabeca

        Election results of these two really enturbulate me! And the Arpaio fan clubbers….aack!

  • filosofa

    Missing post Mk 2.

    Dear Sheriff Baca – watch and learn. This is how real policing is done. The excellent team that just caught those Scientology/sovereign loons and prevented a cop-killing spree are consumate professionals. You could be too.

    I believe there are excellent re-training courses for police-persons such as yourself, who have gone off the rails through being groomed by cult leaders for cash or kudos. Please take advantage of this re-training as soon as possible, before your ruined reputation prevents you ever holding public office again. I am sure you understand I have only your best interests at heart, as I know you do also.

    On a lighter note – do have a wonderful time tonight and don’t let any nasty looks or veiled threats from your old chum David Miscarriage-of-justice spoil the fun. The poor boy has rather a lot on his plate right now and Tom Cruise is the only one that can help.

    Dave must be wondering if you knew anything about the operation that led to the arrest of his cult-member, and if not, why not? Fair enough, the police probably considered you the last person to trust with details of such an important operation about the cult you are involved with, but really – not even a whisper on the interdepartmental grapevine? It’s as if they all think you’re a cult shill or something! DM may be wondering what the point is in having a insider like yourself in his pocket if you can’t even warn him in time for him to throw that fruitloop Newman in the Hole and avert a PR flap. Does he always have to do everything his f**king self, dammit. But just give him a hug and he’ll soon be right as rain.

    Lets face it, COB is not the most forgiving – or rational – big being on the block but he always keeps his cool and never blames others, so it’s bound to be alright. And The Church have a superb team of PR experts who handle these rare slip-ups with faultlessly crafted responses. Nothing to worry about at all.

    Hope this helps, Sheriff Baca. Have a lovely evening. xxxx

    • aquaclara

      Haha…you found it! Good. I love this post.
      And points for fruit loop reference.
      Faultlessly crafted PR responses….ehehehe….

      • filosofa

        Thank you kindly :) I re-wrote it in the end as I suspect Disqus may have kidnapped the original and hidden it away in it’s own version of the Hole.

        • tetloj

          I did see and read the original so it .was. here

    • i-Betty

      I love it, Filo! *applause*

  • Observer

    “Membership in groups which advocate violation of the law disqualifies an individual from membership in the Church of Scientology”

    Here’s a conundrum. Scientology not only advocates violation of the law, its “scriptures” mandate it (see Fair-Game-that-isn’t-called-Fair-Game “scripture” for examples). Therefore, by its own statement, Scientologists are disqualified from being members of the “Church” of Scientology because they are members of the “Church” of Scientology.

    • ThetaBara

      Exactly! Only one of their conundrums. They eat them for breakfast, or so I hear. ;-)

      • Nevermore

        Except the Sea Org. They don’t have time!

    • Illinoisian

      How about if we insert the word, other before the word, groups? (One must not belong to more than one of these groups at the same time.) Better to belong to just one group that is advocating violation of the law. Less confusing.

  • aquaclara

    Back-to-back Bacas….like the good twin and the bad twin.
    Love the juxtaposition of these two stories….will Davey show up at the Gala? Will Shelly? What about the big celebs? (Can you have a celeb gala with no celebs, anyway?). Will AGP and any Anons be inclined to drop by, by any chance? Is there another Gawker story in the works? Inquiring minds (well, 1 little mind anyway…I want to know all the details)!

    And in Las Vegas…is the “all welcome” sign still up today? Are friends ratting out to more media, or at least Good Twin Baca and Fearless Journalist Ortega? Are the clams hiding and shredding behind closed curtains?
    Who will handle PR-after all, this is a critical post.

    AND WHAT ABOUT THE TENT???? Without Davey there to supervise, will the opening of the Not Quite That Super and Utterly Powerless building open on time?

    Couldn’t make this stuff up if we tried. Buckle up and enjoy the ride, Bunkerites….there is more fun ahead!

    • q-bird

      So much of this insanity is so very dark Aquaclara… Thank you for lifting me up here.
      Back to back Bacas! made me laugh. keeping me calm.

      • aquaclara

        Right now I am on the road, catching up on news -thank heavens for iPads and wifi! – and there is the most beautiful day here. Blue skies, golden tips on the acres of cornfields, blue mountain range in the background, barns and silos. A lovely, lovely day.

        I love this country and this earth. I read that police report before it was light out this morning, and struggled with it. How could people be so evil, and with zero conscience?

        It is time for the sunshine to do its part once again, and destroy the evil and darkness. No shops here, just time to go enjoy what is gorgeous today….

        :)

        • ThetaBara

          If you haven’t read The Sociopath Next Door, it might help explain…

          • q-bird

            I’ve not. And I will ThetaBara.

            • ThetaBara

              Essentially, some people really don’t have any compassion for others.
              If there was a kid in your gradeschool who thought it was fun to pull the wings off flies, there ya go.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I have mixed feelings about sociopathy and its diagnosis. I think if you recognize it, and realize you are not empathetic in the normal way (at least). You can make choices to mitigate the damage you may otherwise do.
              Yes, it is a conscious effort, but if you do no harm…Sociopath or not, you are OK. Just a regular Joe who may not be as likeable as others….

              let me clarify…I have a sociopath in my family who I do NOT communicate with.
              But I also have a bit of my own issues with a “no empathy”.

        • Spackle Motion

          I’m glad someone is enjoying it.

          I think I need to read that sociopath book. I’m dealing with 2 of them right now, both of which are dangerous people with access to guns.

          I’m beginning to understand how it feels to be an ex-Scientologist that speaks out. I really feel for Monique Rathbun at this point.

          • Captain Howdy

            DC, didn’t your mother teach you not to hang around with dangerous people with guns?

            Srsly, you need to extract yourself from those situations ASAP. I could tell you a horror story about one person I knew, but i won’t. Just get away while you can.

            • Spackle Motion

              Thanks, Captain. A close family member married a sociopath and is now involved in a very ugly divorce and custody situation. I can’t turn my back on a family member, even though everyone is telling me to….but I try to stay out as much as possible.

              The police are involved with this now, but I don’t have much faith in that which is why we are exploring all law enforcement avenues (and there are a few based on the parties and jurisdiction).

            • Casabeca

              Be careful out there! We still need you here. Maybe your local domestic violence shelter could help too. Very best wishes for you and yours.

            • ThetaBara

              At some point, all you can do is be there for her, and make sure she knows it.
              I really feel for you going through this. You are a good friend.

          • Cher

            Spackle, please be careful! As someone who has tangled with neo nazi’s because of their abhorrant views I know a little something about sociopaths with guns who have a decided proclivity towards violence. You can NOT assume that they are logical in any way or manner. They tend to let emotion color their thoughts and actions which makes them highly unpredictable. Be safe my friend!

            • Spackle Motion

              Thanks, Cher! This is a situation where I’m very scared for my relative’s safety and the safety of the very young child caught in the middle. Most people are more interested in giving their opinions along the lines of “well, [relative] made their own bed by marrying this crazy person” but I won’t be adding to that chorus. The time for that type of reflection is after a crisis situation has passed, and I’m hopeful that it will pass very soon.

              I’m finding that the police are very uninterested in protecting in this situation, and considering that one of the two sociopaths is active military with access to many weapons there are real concerns here. And, yes, the appropriate military investigations unit is involved.

              I really do have much more empathy now toward the Rathbuns (as much as I frown upon Marty’s written diarrhea) and all exes going through Fair Game.

            • Cher

              I empathize with you Spackle. It is always much easier to spout ones views from the sidelines than to actually get involved like you are. So many people don’t want to get involved when they should and by you doing so speaks volumes about your character.

              I’m sorry you are going through this but that you are doing it on behalf of a family member and her young child is really great. Even if they don’t see that you are trying to help at this moment. You already getting the police and military police involved was your best option. Just keep following up with them if for no other reason they know you aren’t going to walk away from this. Have you considered talking to a child advocate or child protective services about your concerns? In my experience when children are involved they are best to talk to because they will do home visits and take note of living environment and ask to talk to any teachers/daycare if applicable. Good luck my friend. Please keep us posted. What you are doing is a good thing!

            • Peter

              Hmmmm….I don’t really know anyone who doesn’t let their emotions colour their thoughts and actions. That’s part of being human.

            • ThetaBara

              Yeah but when they don’t have basic empathy for other human beings is when it gets really scary. If you haven’t experienced it yourself, be thankful.

            • Cher

              True, maybe what I should have said is sometimes those groups use the actions that have been saturated in emotion to act the out physically. Not all but some. I can say from experience if you challenge some neo nazi’s beliefs they become angry and instead of allowing it to just “color” the emotion of the umoment they are more likely to use it to intimidate physically and verbally. And there is always an underlining current that violence is a very real outcome.

              Most people who have their actions colored by their emotions aren’t going to use the anger they are feeling to physically intimidate or use physical violence as an acceptable way of dealing with something that makes them mad.

              All I was trying to explain to Spackle was that when you are encountering someone who is known for violence that they typically aren’t going to be able to talk it out the conflict and are likely to be aggressive. These aren’t normal people we are talking about we are talking about people with a strong proclivity to violence

          • ThetaBara

            It really helped my understanding, not only of Miss Cabbage and his insane cult, but of one particulr psycho ex, who, although I bent over backwards to be kind to him, couldn’t resist screwing me over as hard as possible. I saw the lovebombing, I saw the blatant manipulation, and at the end of the day I realized that my cat has more empathy for me than he ever did. (And he was the one who was motivated by my feeding him. Heh.)

    • sister wendy

      Get out your gown!

      • aquaclara

        Don’t you wish you could sneak into the Gala (under the protection of a magic invisible bubble, of course)….

        • sister wendy

          yes! We could do a song and dance routine;)

    • Peter

      Speaking of Celebs, did anyone else catch Jenna Elfman on the last So You Think You Can Dance as one of the judges? She actually comported herself well. Certainly a lot more sane than Mr. Cruz!

  • D.Y.G.

    This wannabe murderer lady comes across as very stupid. That seems to be the one overwhelming characteristic of these groups of nutters like the “sovereigns”. They have the will, they certainly have the hatred, but they don’t have the intelligence (and money) to really get their plans in motion. I think this is what prevents more Murrah Building-style attacks.

  • Cymboli

    Of course he will be there. His knob needs polishing and his pockets need lining.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Tony, you’re incredibe, love your piercing juxtiposition Headlines for your Scientology blog articles!

    You cover so much territory each week, I’m sorry I cannot keep up!

    Memories just flood my brain about all the behind the scene details to every one of the points in your articles and sub niche stories.

    • ThetaBara

      Thanks for all of your amazing comments!

    • Observer

      Chuck, if you don’t have time to type everything out, please make audio recordings of your recollections. It’s vital that your incredible knowledge be preserved.

      • Captain Howdy

        Here, Here!

    • aquaclara

      Please!

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Devon Newman unfortunately reminds me a bit of Barbara Schwartz (crazy ex DSA who trolled/trolls alt.religion.scientology).

    • Captain Howdy

      Babs is/was tons of fun. Devon, not so much.

      • WhereIsSHE

        I love reading Babs. She is in a constant state of love/hate for Marty.
        Well.. er.. she loves the “real” Marty, but hates the “imposter” Marty (the one who she believes is married to Mosey)… and basically, she is just OBSESSED with Marty (*as if the guy doesn’t have enough wackos stalking him).

        I get a much different sense of Devon Newman.
        The only “wacky” thing she said, as documented in the investigative report, was a request for the TV to be unplugged so no one could listen in.
        As I pointed out below somewhere, I believe that around the time she made that request, there were news reports about people being WATCHED in their own homes through their SMART TVs.
        Yeah. Hacker can watch you through your smart TV.
        That isn’t paranoid schizophrenia.
        That’s reality.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Barbara is more fun, agreed.

        But it’s interesting the wacky parallels. Barbara sure had her day, as a one person menace!

        http://home.snafu.de/tilman/Barbara_Schwarz_17.12.2007.html (Barbara Schwarz)

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

    • USA MRIID

      What ever happened to that homeless woman?

  • RandomSP

    Tying the appearance of Baca to an unrelated crime in another city? Cheap shot, Tony. I expect, and usually get, better from you.

    • Jeb Burton

      Why Baca as an elected official, I assume you run for sheriff out there, would show up these days at a scientology function is beyond me. if I was his opponent, all I would have to do is say he is in bed with this criminal organization. I agree the Newman crimes have nothing to do with this function and was a random crime by a sceintologist. I dont get the link either.

      • Captain Howdy

        So I guess both of you didn’t get the link with Johnny Lewis or Luka Magnotta either? How about Rex Fowler or Charles Manson? Anything?

      • marti

        Baca’s wife is a scientologist.

        • Sherbet

          She is? Ah, the plot thickens. That’s what I call true love, compromising one’s reputation and barely skirting the edge of propriety out of courtesy to the spouse. Oh. Insert these: {}

          • Claude

            Wearing his sheriff outfit at the “church” is inappropriate if you ask me

            • Sherbet

              Amen, Claude.

        • Jgg2012

          Yes, he’s an elected official who puts friends on the payroll and takes “gifts” from the public. How he stays in office is beyond me.

        • Jgg2012

          That can’t help him politically in LA County.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          WHAT? I don’t remember reading this before. Got more info?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Holy shiz? Me niether…WTF

          • marti

            I searched Carol Baca scientologist. Brought up a couple articles.

            • Captain Howdy

              Links?

        • Captain Howdy

          Got any links for that? I couldn’t find anything For “Carol Chiang”(her maiden name) in the scientology service completions, but i did find one for “Carol Baca”.

          http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/c/carol-baca.html

      • Jgg2012

        The link between Baca (at the CC Center) and Newman is how he feels about CC leaders conspiring to kill people like him.

    • USA MRIID

      How is Baca working for organized crime some how not associated with the Woman who wants to murder cops working for the same organized crime ring that Baca works for? Are you a fucking idiot?

      • RandomSP

        LOL. Gotta love the internet :-)

    • RandomSP

      10 down votes. LOL x 2. Gotta continue to love the internet :-)

  • Jvm3

    Does anyone know if the Gala tonight is going to be televised? And if so, on what channel?

    • Captain Howdy

      Not sure about the channel. Try this one. http://youtu.be/8IxeroqZSuo

      • Sherbet

        You’re funny.

        • Captain Howdy

          Funny how?

          • Sherbet

            Funny Haha.

            • Captain Howdy

              OK, I confess. I’m a clown

            • Sherbet

              Laughing on the outside, crying on the inside. Ridi, Pagliaccio…

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Another one of my favourite films!

    • Ruby

      No, they don’t televise those. They might video it so as to later replay it as an event that they can call people in for…all with the intent of making money somehow.

  • Tone

    I expect the usual curtain tech, “film permits” to keep the unwanted off the streets adjacent to the event, and of course a few hired goons just for fun. While this does little to deter critics, it has immeasurable value to the cult. Seeing such lengths will reinforce the brainwashing that public scilons already believe, that they are under siege and it is so much more important to give til it hurts to redeem this backward prison planet.

    Membership in groups which advocate violation of the law disqualifies an
    individual from membership in the Church of Scientology

    Did anyone else catch the laughable irony here?

    • Jgg2012

      “We get to say what’s legal.” — LRH

  • Sherbet

    Off topic — I’m still reading Julia Scheeres’ “A Thousand Lives,” a book about Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple. The parallels between Jones and DM or Jones and lrh are uncanny. Jones was profane, masochistic, manipulative, hypocritical, cruel, and an outrageous liar. He preached socialism, but he took drugs, drank, ate well, and lived in air conditioned comfort, while the residents of Jonestown lived 12 to a cabin with no doors or screens on their houses, surrounded by the jungle. Armed guards ensured no insurrection. He created an atmosphere of fear, where it was required to rat one another out, in writing, for the “crimes” of complaining about the food or doubting Jones’s mission. In addition, he collected fake confessions, where people had to sign coerced documents admitting to false sins or sexual crimes (raping one’s children, for example), and the confessions were kept safely somewhere for blackmail purposes in case any of those people dared to try to leave. Sound familiar? Yet, when promised safe passage out of Jonestown by US Consul Richard McCoy, the residents stayed: “(McCoy) couldn’t understand how a single man could wield that kind of power over so many people.”

    That’s the riddle of scientology, too, isn’t it. The trick is to create a cadre of worker bees, demoralized, depressed, poor, hopeless, hungry, who believe it’s best to stay with the devil you know. Jones told his people that life in the US was hellish, and they were creating a grand experiment in Guyana, which would then sweep the world with its socialistic success. Sounds like clearing the planet to me.

    I’m sorry to keep babbling about this book, but it makes scientology seem all the more textbook Cult 101. I wouldn’t be surprised if DM had a copy on his desk, with the most helpful passages marked in yellow highlighter.

    • Sunny Sands

      They poisoned the babies in the nursery first, and some of the mothers wanted to die with their babies. Some parallels to enforced abortion.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Even 35 years later, it is so painful to read that.

      • Jvm3

        More creepy coincedence.. Hubbard officially forms Scientology in May of 1952. Around the same time, Jim Jones witnesses a “faith healing” for the first time. He has a “revelation” that he can use this to draw people in and make money. Sort of the unofficial birth of his cult, if you will.

      • Sherbet

        Horrible. I still can’t see DM pulling this type of stunt, though.

        • Captain Howdy

          Me either.. (knocks on head).

        • Claude

          No way. DM likes his fine Italian shoes and bespoke suits too much to kill himself, or risk getting caught for killing someone.

          • Sherbet

            I agree, Claude. He’s a little weasel who’ll take the money and run, not a self-professed Messiah who wants to die for his ideals.

    • Captain Howdy

      Is Fred Lewis mentioned in the book? He’s the guy I met who worked with my father. He lost 27 relatives at Jonestown.

      On a lighter note I remember reading that John Waters purchased the PT sign from the Geary St. HQ in an auction.

      • Sherbet

        “Fred Lewis, who was not a Temple member, returned home from his job as a butcher one evening to find his apartment stripped and his wife of seventeen years and his seven children missing. He later discovered that church staff had taken his furniture to sell in the Temple’s secondhand store. His wife left him a mattress, but no goodbye note. At first, Lewis worried his family had been kidnapped. Upon learning the truth, he went to Geary Boulevard to demand an explanation, but no one answered the door.”

        • Captain Howdy

          He seemed like a nice guy and my father said he was. Fred Lewis passed away in 2003.. RIP Fred.

          • Sherbet

            I hope he found some peace after his personal tragedy.

      • Sherbet

        That’s funny. Waters has that bizarro twist.

        • Captain Howdy

          I would have bought it if I had the bucks that he does.

          • Sherbet

            You probably have a cooler mustache, though.

            • Captain Howdy

              Mustache ?!?! Punks don’t do facial hair, that’s for hippies.

            • Sherbet

              Ooops.

            • Espiando

              Are you calling me a hippy, sir? Them’s fightin’ words.

              Of course, a mustache is kinda de rigeur in Chicago. Always has been. Even our local main Scilon has a mustache.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Are you a bear, E?

            • Espiando

              No, pretty much smooth from neck to crotch.

            • Captain Howdy

              Sorry E. New evidence appears to contradict my assertion.

            • ThetaBara

              What was really funny to me is that in Chicago, the drag queens I knew used to wax EVERYTHING, and go for glamour realism. Then I moved to SF, where you see dudes in dresses with glitter in their beards, wearing converse hi-tops or motorcycle boots. Which is actually a lot hotter, if you ask me. Not that most drag queens care what a chick thinks is hot (although, some do!)

            • GlibWog

              Oh Theta.. I love Drag Queens. Yep in Midwest ( where I used to live) Glamour Realism .. hmm never saw one with glitter in their beard.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I always loved a Pageant with a guy with a huge black mustache and he was so In great drag.
              Audrey Hepburn meet Freddie Mercury!!!!

            • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

              I have cum to clean ze pool {twirls mo}

            • LaLune

              Gross

            • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

              Well no one else beat me to it…………. It was ripe for a 60’s pornstar mo joke!

              C’mon, am I wrong?

              {no one answer that}

            • LaLune

              Standard degrading language, I guess that is okk here

            • Bella Legosi

              lol punks don’t really do chest hair either……..just saying…..you a bunch of skinny, hairless, musically anarchic specimens!

              So, who is going to be the punk that keeps it real an finds pix of punks with chest hair? lol

            • GlibWog

              You sound like Clint EastWood Howdy hahhahaha.. PUNK

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              U BACK! What Car did U buy?

            • GlibWog

              Hi Sweetie.. Since I will head to Clearwater one day.. Should I say?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              More importantly, did you get reg’d into a poor deal, or did you stand firm and say “Show me a mutherfuckin’ deal”?

            • GlibWog

              hahahhahaa…Yep I gave him the Jason Beghe Salesman talk..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Unless it’s some priceless one-of-a-kind, you’ll be fine. Just not shots of the license plate and VIN number OK? ;-)

            • GlibWog

              hahhaha Vin # Like I would know Duh.. That is a Penis Job to know that!
              OK..

      • Sunny Sands

        That sign says it is a Disciples of Christ church, which is a pretty mainstream denomination.

        • Captain Howdy

          It was next door to the old Fillmore West (which as been reopened since), which at that time was leased to some Rastas who called it the Elite Club, and they use to put on these huge punk/hardcore shows.

          • Sherbet

            When are you going to write a book, Howdy?

            • Captain Howdy

              Soon as I get done reading this.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              When your done can you read it to me?

            • Captain Howdy

              No problem. it may be awhile though. I’ve been stuck on this page numbered “preface’ for what seems like forever.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Oh my gosh? That book has one of those too? So did the last book I read.

              Hmmm,…Do you think someone was plagiarizing?

            • ThetaBara

              Ehh, the editing is the easy part! I’m sure I’m not the only one who’d be glad to help.

            • Claude

              I done read it. Its’ good.

        • Sherbet

          He started out as a mainstream church preacher, but eventually stopped using or believing in any Christian dogma or the Bible.

          • USA MRIID

            That’s bullshit, Jim Jones was a staunch Christian, a firm believer in Jesus Christ.

            • Captain Howdy

              No, he wasn’t.

            • USA MRIID

              I remember him, I was there, you fucking idiot. He worked on Skid Row helping the homeless, he ran numerous soup kitchens in Los Angeles, he was a staunch Christian, he was well loved everywhere, touted as an example of what Christianity should be. It was only after the mass murder/suicide that Christians started to pretend he wasn’t one of their.

              TYhe typical “Not True Scotsman” fallacy. Every Christian dung hold wants to pretend their fellow Christians aren’t Christians.

            • Claude

              There was a lot of talk about how he did all this great social service at first, and was a big advocate against racism, etc…. but then something snapped before he decided to move to Jonestown.

            • USA MRIID

              When we was in Redwood Valley he enjoyed the overwhelming support from
              his fellow Christians of all different denominations, as well as the
              admiration of the street people in Redwood and Ukipa and all surrounding
              areas. It was only after the mass murder/suicide that his fellow
              Christians threw him under the bus and proclaimed he wasn’t REALLY a
              Christian. Typical god-fucking cult savages trying to have it both ways.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Ukipa? Are you talking about Yucaipa?

            • Artoo45

              Pretty sure he means Ukiah.

            • Sherbet

              Read a history book, watch your language, and chill, for Pete’s sake.

            • Candygram

              You make no sense. Repeating yourself just makes you look crazier.

            • USA MRIID

              Funny, you Christian dingbats deny each other’s Christianity and then point at each other and cry about how you dingbats are persecuted. Highly amusing.

            • Captain Howdy

              Bad day at the orifice, eh? You need to lay off the goofy attempts at sarcasm for awhile and go back to writing your usual gruff obscenity laden painfully unfunny over enthusiastic comments that we all “love” and never vote for.

            • Sherbet

              Nooooooooooooo, he wasn’t, USA. He started that way, and, yes, I even posted the other day saying he did a lot of good feeding the poor and helping with housing. But then he rejected the Bible and said HE was the Messiah, and then his focus was on socialism, not religion. People at Jonestown were given Bible pages to use as toilet paper. He went crazy, USA. There were no church services in Jonestown. A Christian believes Christ is the Messiah. Jones believed he was. So that makes him a Christian how??

        • USA MRIID

          Jim Jones was a well respected Christian, his church here in Los Angeles fed the poor and handed out blankets to the poor every Winter. A true Christian.

          • Observer

            Jones’ “Christianity” was a smokescreen, like Elron’s claim that you could practice your own faith and still be a Scientologist.

            “In the following years [after his prediction of nuclear holocaust in 1967 failed], Jones abandoned all pretenses of Christianity and revealed himself to be an atheist who had simply used religion as a tool to legitimize his views.”
            http://mentalfloss.com/article/13015/jonestown-massacre-terrifying-origin-drinking-kool-aid

            • USA MRIID

              Ah yes, the Christian buttfucker excuse “He’s not a TRUE Christian!” Just like the Scientology buttfucks that claim this woman isn’t a Scientology crook. You insane cocks are all the same.

            • Captain Howdy

              You forgot your vagina brackets, dude.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I don’t think so….not this time.

            • Observer

              At least you don’t go in for sweeping generalizations. That’s refreshing.

            • GlibWog

              OK He was taking elderly { Parishioners } SSI, SS checks .. and Passports. ETC.. He used the guise of religion to attract members and avoid taxes. By numerous authors he has been described as

              A Bible Hating, Charismatic ..SADIST. I have read many books on this. They all say the same. Cult.. People trapped and even at the end of their lives they don’t know if they drank the Kool aid or were killed.

              The whole investigation.. Autopsies .. etc. was so delayed ..and cyanide was NOT found in the Majority of the people…as suspected.

              So I’m saying yep started off possibly with Christian like virtues, but did NOT last long once he realized he could make $ ..

              He was an awful man and of course Congressman Ryan visiting exacerbated his mental illness

              I Do NOT appreciate your language USA Mrid and it was disgusting that you targeted Observer! No excuse for that.
              First off who gives a shit about Jonestown at this point to be that angry.

            • Captain Howdy

              Hmmm, who else loves that word “insane” and loathes Christians around here?

          • Sherbet

            That’s how he began, USA MRIID. And then he went crazy.

    • Claude

      DM may be cruel, but he’s not smart, and definitely not charismatic. Jim Jones is more like LRH, in the sense that he utilized his charisma to charm his followers. DM can’t charm anyone. He also (in my opinion) values luxury and lifestyle more than the Church. Otherwise, he wouldn’t be financially raping everyone, and obviously destroying the Church. Thanks for being quick about it DM! Your efficiency has averted another persistent Mormon-like cult.

      • villagedianne

        Oh I don’t know. Miscavige was smart enough to stay on top at COS for all this time. Reportedly he is very good at reading people. He has a calculating conniving kind of intelligence, not to be underestimated.
        He does however seem to be losing his edge. He has demoted or alienated his “best people”, he’s reportedly drinking a lot. But if not for the Internet, Miscavige would probably still be going strong.

        • Claude

          That very well may be true. I guess my point is, that for the public scientologist, all Miscavige has to offer is his “rolling thunder” appearances, and even when heavily edited, these are appallingly uncharismatic for someone in his position.

    • Jvm3

      Only difference is that Scientology would charge for the kool-aid.

    • Ruby

      Wow…very interesting, Sherbet!

    • ThetaBara

      Ugh… like I need another depressing book to read… but seriously, thanks for the tip. Living in the bay area, there’s no real way to forget Jonestown anyway. And I do wonder about the $64 question. The thing that always makes me worry is that we know they already devalue life. You can just drop your body, zoom in on the big Kool rings, and come on back (for the rest of your billion years of servitude).
      Do you get a gold spaceship at the end?

      • Sherbet

        No, the Heaven’s Gate boys commandeered the spaceship and are flying behind Comet Hale-Bopp, just as expected. Or not.

      • KJP in Portland

        It affected us in nearby Portland too. I was a teenager (16?) at the time. I remember the event, the news, the TV…The older people still mention it. There were some Oregon folks that went down to The City and were involved. For us 50-and over crowd PDX natives; we remember Jonestown. Maybe, that’s why, the Org in downtown PDX doesn’t reel them in very much. The older folks remember the 975? lives at Jonestown and tell their kids (the) truth about cults; and, that’s why some here at the Bunker have seen a post or 2 by me wondering IF the REAL end Blowingtology comes, if it (they) will go out en-masse too :(

        Maybe by then…Barfingtology will have less than 975 followers anyway…

    • junojones

      I’ll just leave these linkies here for anyone who has interest in the topic and hasn’t seen them yet:

      John Judge’s articles:
      http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/Jonestown.html

      http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/JonestownBanks.html

      The main San Diego State U site, which has a lot of documents:
      http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/body2.htm

  • Alice Smith

    I wonder how much of Devon’s training came from elite Scientology practices of the Sea Org. Very, very frightening.

    • Claude

      It is fairly safe to say her Scientology training didn’t help much. I would hazard a guess it may have eroded her sanity.

    • sister wendy

      certainly her list making skills and desire for admin running did;)

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Breaking news from Freedom Magazine: We believe that David Brutsche was taking Psych drugs. We are reporting this now to our parishioners as the why. If we find actual proof, we will report it to the wog world.

    • Sherbet

      Nooo, Gr8 one. David Brutsche SHOULD HAVE BEEN taking strong prescription Psych drugs to keep his brain from floating in the ionosphere. I think he might have tried a little self-medication, but.

  • Sunny Sands

    Some tent watcher diversion from today. This lot is south of the SP building.

    • Captain Howdy

      Yay! The Tent Watcher in on the job.

      • Sunny Sands

        They have a guy sitting in the lot at a little table.

        • nottrue

          walk straight at him with the camera yelling where is shelly.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            he would just point his cheesy pseudo phone at you and film you. That is all they ever do.
            Intimidation by the threat of internet.
            Ironic, No????

        • Semper Phi

          It’s hard to believe that this is what he imagined he’d be doing when he signed that billion year contract…

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Dee has been down there (stealth)! Just wait till she gets her new puter up and running tomorrow!

      • sister wendy

        this is all pretty amazing!

        • Captain Howdy

          Sunny rocks!

    • MO Mom

      Dayum, that is some serious structure materials.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      That pile is just daring Mother Nature to come blow it all away with a Cat4 hurricane….not that I wish such a thing on the good folks of Tampa Bay, but sometimes you gotta take one for the team. And that part of Floriduh is long overdue for a direct hit. They’ve dodged a lot of bullets over the decades.

    • aquaclara

      Thanks for this update!

    • Artoo45

      Some assembly required, now where are those instructions . . . they were right here . . .

  • India Crep

    Added irony: Baca is a right wing Republican extremist as much as the Republican piles of shit that tried to kidnap and murder a fellow cop.

  • Claude

    Sheriff Baca must really hate the LAPD to be endorsing the Celebrity Centre at such a sensitive time.

    • ThetaBara

      He’s been in bed with them for years. Where’s that pic from the xmas parade? Oh, here it is…

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Fucking Pig. (take that however you like)

        • Captain Howdy

          You flirting with damOT?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            mayyyyybeeeee

      • Sherbet

        Is that a microphone he’s holding? Maybe he lip synched to Chill E B’s Greatest Hits.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        In bed? That’s an understatement. I”ll bet he prefers it standing up!

      • LaLune

        That doesn’t prove anything. TWTH has nothing to do with Scientology.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Are you for real? Or just trolling?

          EDIT: I see….three comments. All tonight. Not off to a good start.

          • LaLune

            TWTH is an endorsed pamphlet, not a religious pamphlet/book

            • Jvm3

              Oh you are going to have some fun

            • LaLune

              What?

            • KJP in Portland

              Durr…

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Well, you got THAT right. Nothing from LRH’s pie hole was “religious”.

            • LaLune

              Depends on how you define it

            • KJP in Portland

              Endorsed by…Gomer Pyle?

        • marti

          The Way to Happiness is a 1980 booklet written by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard listing 21 moral precepts, and distributed by The Way to Happiness Foundation International, a Scientology-related non-profit organization founded in 1984.

          • LaLune

            Totally non religious, notwithstanding

            • marti

              LRH was a science fiction writer.
              Xenu, according to Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, the dictator of the “Galactic Confederacy” who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of his people to Earth (then known as “Teegeeack”) in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs. Essences of these many people remained, and that they form around people in modern times, causing them spiritual harm. OTIII

            • ThetaBara

              BS, it is a funnel group. Or why would they reg your people to pay for its printing?

            • LaLune

              I don’t get your words, but its not a “funnell” group in the leased

            • Semper Phi

              There is a Scientology auditing rundown, the Happiness Rundown, that is built around The Way to Happiness. It’s part of Scientology “scripture”. For anyone who calls Scientology a religion, TWTH is religious.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I agree.. totally non-religious.. let’s call the IRS..

          • marti

            LRH was a science fiction writer.
            Xenu, according to Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, the dictator of the “Galactic Confederacy” who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of his people to Earth (then known as “Teegeeack”) in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs. Essences of these many people remained, and that they form around people in modern times, causing them spiritual harm. OTIII

        • ThetaBara

          Uh, whut? Shouldn’t you be at the gala right now?
          Anyway, keep scrolling and you’ll see him at their little podium.

      • sugarplumfairy

        gaggg..

        • Andrew Robertson

          Shouldn’t you be in the arms of Morpheus young lady? It’s 3 am on the eastern side of the New World!

          Andrew

          • sugarplumfairy

            When in the city that never sleeps…..

  • Claude

    Is the CC event one that has been live-blogged by Tony before?

    • Observer

      I don’t think that one is broadcast. He’s done the Writers of the Future shindig a couple of times.

      • Claude

        Maybe I’m confusing it with a leaked video. I wonder if Cruise will be there tonight. He could be Miscavige’s date.

        • Observer

          Ah, Andrea Doven’s loony graduation speech. Tony posted this a few months ago. Sign me up–I want those communication skills!

          • Claude

            Oh yes, now I see he posted it Feb 1, when I was taking a hiatus. See what you miss!

            • Observer

              That’ll teach you!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Wait! don’t tell me! She was drilling and drilling and drilling?

            Wonder if she ever hit oil?

            • Observer

              She did, but COB commandeered it all for the oiliness table.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Rimshot!

  • Gus_Cox

    Yes, CCI has its “barrier tech” in force, with white vinyl curtains covering the fence along Franklin Ave. God forbid that Wise Beard Man should stop by La Poubelle and try to take a few photos from their patio.

    • Noah Miller

      La Poubelle? It’s all about Birds.

  • Claude

    Let’s not forget about the classic Celebrity Centre incident, the samurai sword attack and shooting.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      That was weird but he was just a LOONEY TUNE!

      • Claude

        A looney tune ex-scientologist dual-wielding samurai swords, indeed

        • Jon Hendry

          Did he look like this?

          • KJP in Portland

            Oh, that’s just part of the new “Keep Portland Weird” thing.

            • mirele

              Wait. Now Portland’s horning in on “Keep Austin Weird.” Stop that!

            • ThetaBara

              Now now, there is plenty of weirdness to go around!

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    I just want to say how excited I am that this thread does not have a thousand comments yet. At least my brain won’t explode tonight.
    mmmmmaybeeee………….

    • KJP in Portland

      Sorry ma’am; I had to throw one in about the Jim Jones thing below. I remember it well being right up the road in PDX. Many, many natives up here still remember that. Portlanders were involved too and it’s still just a big, shake our heads kind of sadness, 35 years later :(

      I was only a teen at the time. It was 1978. I was 16. A lot of stuff happened around me that year. ’78 is still pretty fresh even 35 years later.

      • Missionary Kid

        KJP, do you get notifications when someone comments on your comment? I know, it’s an odd question, but it has to do with getting together in PDX

        • KJP in Portland

          I was getting them. I think I turned them off because my email was getting flooded.

          • Missionary Kid

            Turn it back on again for an hour.

            • Missionary Kid

              Hopefully, you got a notification from me. If you haven’t, I’ll send you another one. Disqus has about a 5 minute delay on the notifications.

            • KJP in Portland

              Lemme fiddle with it…

            • Missionary Kid

              Reply to this when you’ve turned it on.

            • KJP in Portland

              1st one bounced back by server. Sent another.

            • KJP in Portland

              2nd one did too. Usually never any problems using Outlook for my GM. Is that the correct addy?

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ll double check. Remember that you need to use the “@” and “.” instead of at and dot.

            • KJP in Portland

              Whoa…thought that was PM. Deleted THAT one.

            • KJP in Portland

              Say that account does not exist ?!?

            • Observer

              The post you refer to as being deleted is stll there. You can’t actually delete posts on Disqus. All the delete “feature” does is remove your name and replace it with “Guest”, leaving the post itself intact. To get rid of the info in the post you have to edit the post and replace the text with something else. Most people just use a period.

            • Missionary Kid

              also, remove the “,” at the end.

            • KJP in Portland

              I used the skxxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com

              I’m at kjpportland@gmail.com

              Maybe this way will work better…

            • Missionary Kid

              Advice: Edit your comment and remove the @ sign so the web crawlers don’t pick up your address.

            • ThetaBara

              I’m still seeing it.

        • Once_Born

          Just below the blog post, at the top of the comments section, you can click on “My Disqus”. This will show all the people who have replied to you and also provides links to those replies.

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Um, sorry to ruin your fantasies, but LaLune decided to stop by and the post count is quickly rising here on the night crew.

  • LaLune

    If the LA Sheriff wishes to support his religious beliefs, then he should do so, no matter the relations or problems with police issues in LA

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Grrrrrrrrrr. *refresh*

      • LaLune

        You talking about the Starbucks drink! Love those

    • George Layton

      Don’t let your sense of morals keep you from doing what’s right.
      (The Mote in God’s Eye: Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle)

      • LaLune

        Cool!!

    • KJP in Portland

      NOT in uniform!

  • KJP in Portland

    Question from moi: What do they do with elderly staff members? I mean, the ones who reach their 70’s and 80’s? Do they still work the for pennies at the centers? Do they send them some place? Do they let them go? {doubtful}. What happens to these people?

    • Jvm3

      Lol @ let them go. Like they’re just driven out of Clearwater city limits and let out? Naw I have no idea.

    • Captain Howdy

      They do what’s called in Scn “offloading” which is when some elderly scientologist can longer perform on the most basic level they throw their meager belongings into a garbage bag and drive them what they consider to be a safe distance from the org and they stop and open the door and tell them to get out.

      • Jvm3

        Now I feel like an ass because I *was* joking..

        • Captain Howdy

          Don’t, you didn’t know.

        • Jvm3

          Hmm that’s a nifty little glitch

        • ThetaBara

          It’s always worse than you think.

      • KJP in Portland

        Wow, nice people. Thanks, CH.

  • LaLune

    Whats the big deal, she didn’t even do anything, nothing SCN

    • NeverIn

      Are you sad that you (apparently) don’t get to go to the big party tonight?

      • NeverIn

        Ooh ooh! My first down arrow! SQUEEEEEEE!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Awwwww, they took it away. Meanies. I’ll give ya one.

      • NeverIn

        I’m actually serious though. Assuming you aren’t one of the usual suspects being funny, assuming you are In, I would really like to know how you feel about the disparity in treatment. How do you feel that CoS lavishes attention and money on people who can bring attention and money, but never sacrifice a thing? How do you feel that regular publics are treated to nothing more than constant pressure and guilt trips? How do you feel that SOs sacrifice everything for the church, and are treated like shit for it? Does this not strike you as out-exchange? If this is clearing the planet means – misery for all but the privileged few, is that a worthwhile goal? QIs it worth your time and money?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Which one are you? *refresh*

    • Jvm3

      She was gonna mock up a car that they could practice shooting at. That’s scn right? Mocking it up?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      You might think we are just a big bunch of meanies here. And that LRH was right….the outside WOG world is a bad place.

      You’d actually be having a big MU about the entire scene. Stick around and you’ll see that we are actually the good guys. Here to help set YOU free. Free from the financial and mental pressure, free from buying more books, free from taking the same courses over and over again, free from always worrying what to say next for fear of getting sec checked, free from false stats and lies. We are here for YOU.

      • Captain Howdy

        I have no doubt LaLune thinks we’re “meanies”.

        • LaLune

          Know I dont. I most merely have some obs, and thats normal, nothing out. You have some obs too, and its cool. Totally.

          • Jvm3

            Where are you from?

          • KJP in Portland

            Like, totally rad, dude…

        • Sherbet

          Not Marcabia again!

          • KJP in Portland

            Hail Macaroni!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Gaaarrrggghhhh. I’ve been duped. Sheeeeeet.

            • Jvm3

              That would be bad if he were anywhere near that place

            • sister wendy

              haha! surprise!

  • GlibWog

    I am dying of curiosity whether or not Shelly made her entrance tonight..

    • Sherbet

      I’m saying No. How about a little bet? Whoever is wrong has to send a(nother) contribution to the Bunker? Any takers?

      • GlibWog

        I think maybe they’ll wait ( if she does come out…) it will happen during Super Power unveil..

    • Jon Hendry

      I was thinking if they were clever, they’d fake a “live remote video feed” of Shelly with a pre-taped bit of video. It’d look like an impressive expenditure, nobody in attendance could interact with her, and they’d have lots of control over her appearance and what she said.

      They’d just have to come up with a script that would let Miscavige fake a conversation via a fake video link. They they would have plenty of time to rehearse and record, until Shelly’s end of the conversation was perfect.

      At the event, if it were pulled off, the audience would think it was a live conversation. And, of course, the video link would be necessary because of Shelly’s Very Important work.

      • GlibWog

        Jon.. that is very clever. I never thought of that! Brilliant.. The Scn would buy that..

  • Gus_Cox

    Ah, 9:13pm PDT. The “Scientology Music” (bombastic space opera music with lots of crescendos and explosions) just started. Cocktails @ La Poubelle.

    • Gus_Cox

      Will Shelly be there????

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      You inside?

    • LaLune

      Bombastic! Sounds KSW

  • Sherbet

    I hope there’s a good story on this shindig in Sunday’s Bunker. Till then, gnite, all you fun SPs.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      nitey nite Sherb

    • Gus_Cox

      Cheerio, I’ll be checking the Bunker at breakfast too…

    • LaLune

      What?

      • Jvm3

        I haven’t checked in this any entheta in this

        • KJP in Portland

          roflmao! That vent under him looks like a trap door! Pull the lanyard!

    • Captain Howdy

      Pleasant dreams.

    • marti

      I think you scared away LaLune last night with your comment ending, “all you fun SPs.”
      Must have been the fun word.

  • marti

    @LaLune,
    Did you hear that Leah Remini left COS on July 8. And her family left with her to avoid having to disconnect from her.
    Perhaps you read Tony’s article about it.

  • Jon Hendry

    I don’t suppose anyone has a handy list of domains and IP addresses that I could add to a whitelist, so that I can block everything on the Internet but the Bunker and Disqus?

    I could fire up Wireshark and try to figure it out by watching my traffic, but I thought I’d ask.

    • tetloj

      Sounds like a WWP question

    • Jvm3

      That doesn’t seem to make sense. Why wouldn’t you just filter out everything except Tony’s site and allow for disqus traffic?

      • Jon Hendry

        The app I use for blocking web access for myself (SelfControl.app for OS X, a “productivity enhancer” to keep yourself off the net for some configurable period of time) has a whitelist feature. If something isn’t on the whitelist, my machine can’t connect to it while the block is active. The whitelist consists of hostnames or domains (not sure). Thus I could block myself from Twitter, and Gawker sites, and everything else, but allow myself to read this site normally.

        I probably have to include tonyortega.org, along with whatever servers disqus uses to serve the comment stuff and handle logins. I suspect those aren’t as simple as just “disqus.com”, but more like “foo.bar21.disqus.com”.

        • Jvm3

          Heh I don’t know why you’re messing with me. Maybe shoot me an email?

  • KJP in Portland

    See ya all in the morning. I have to go toil the next several hours (graveyard shift, ugh). Want to see if Tony has something cool when I return around 7am Portland time!

    • q-bird

      work hard, stay sane, see ya later Baby!

  • mook

    Wonder how much these celebs got paid to attend the CC Gala last night? They probably had to endure Misscavige screaming over the phone begging them to come
    http://www.wireimage.com/search/#events?q=178072112&s=3

  • Sydjazz

    Woah and the crap keeps flying. *claps*

  • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

    This story needs a Dragnet-like TV crime-show musical theme.