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Love in the Time of Miscavige

Love in the Time of Miscavige

For years, she worked closely with Scientology’s leaders, David and Shelly Miscavige. And she was there when it all went wrong. By Tony Ortega We have a very unusual story for you today, and in order to tell it, we need to adopt some unusual conventions.

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Lawrence Wright: "Scientology Is Heading for a Reckoning"

Last night, like many of you, we watched Lawrence Wright’s appearance on Anderson Cooper 360, which not only featured a rapid-fire interview of Wright by the CNN host, but also some looks back at Cooper’s 2010 show on Scientology. That four-part series explored accusations about church leader David Miscavige and violence that were first revealed in the St. Petersburg Times. In other words, the nostalgia value was high.

But if Wright was in rare form on CNN, he was even better in person. Also last night, Wright and his New Yorker editor Daniel Zalewski put on a great show at 92YTribeca in front of about 100 folks who had come in from the bitter cold.

And the words that Wright used to finish that show are still ringing in our ears. Scientology, he said, is heading for a reckoning.

Lawrence_Wright_CNNAs in his book, Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, & the Prison of Belief, Wright was extraordinarily fair to Scientology. He and Zalewski spent a good amount of time trying to explain to the audience why people are drawn into the church and what benefits they get from it. (As Michael Kinsley put it in his New York Times review of the book, “That crunching sound you hear is Lawrence Wright bending over backward to be fair to Scientology.”)

Inevitably, the talk turned to Scientology’s celebrities. A member of the audience submitted a written question, asking if the church was still trying to recruit new famous names into the fold. Wright said he assumed they were, but that it was getting tougher with Scientology enduring so much bad publicity.

In fact, he pointed out, Scientology was in big trouble. And sooner or later, he added, its celebrities were going to have to do something about it. With Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and Kirstie Alley and the rest remaining silent about so many allegations of abuse in the church, Scientology will be doomed unless its celebrities can take some responsibility to deal honestly with those allegations and create some real reforms.

Well, we couldn’t help grinning like a cheshire cat. Because, if you’re one of our many readers who have been with us a while, you’ll remember one of the most-read things that has ever come out of the underground bunker — our Open Letter to Tom Cruise.

We wrote it after watching Debbie Cook’s devastating testimony in San Antonio last February, and we not only detailed her charges of abuse in the church, but also other horrendous accusations coming out of places like Australia. And here was our windup…

Here’s what you must begin to deal with, Tom: you are the public face for an organization that is becoming known for confining and torturing its own executives, that is employing children of public school age in ways that would make a nineteenth-century foreman blush. You are the symbol for an organization that beats confessions of homosexuality out of high-ranking members. That asks children to work around the clock without a chance to get real schooling. That does all this with claims that it is somehow helping the planet.

Tom, you’re in a bad position here. All of these things, they’re being done at the behest of your best friend, the man who runs Scientology, and who appears obsessed with making you a kind of unofficial second pope. Increasingly, you will be seen as a tacit partner in these practices.

But there’s an alternative. I want to hear what you know about how Debbie Cook was treated, about how children are serving in the Sea Org, about how women in the Sea Org are coerced into abortions so they can keep working 100-hour weeks without the distraction of pregnancy and childbirth.

Let’s talk, man. I want to know what you know, and how you’re going to do something about Scientology going off the rails. It’s time you spoke out.

We’re still waiting to hear from Tom. Maybe Larry will have better luck.

 
FACT-CHECKING KARIN POUW The church, for its part, has come out with both barrels blazing at Wright’s book, creating a website that refutes Going Clear, chapter by chapter. Under the name of its spokeswoman, Karin Pouw, the church also submitted to Tina Brown’s The Daily Beast an op-ed charging Wright with all sorts of malfeasance.

The Beast’s Caitlin Dickson looked into Pouw’s accusations, checked with Wright, and came up with a very entertaining piece that answers much of the church’s temper tantrum about the book.

If you’ve read Wright’s book, you know that the sheer amount of damaging information about L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology is astounding in its volume and depth. We’ve also read, in its entirety, the church’s website that attempts to call the book into question.

Like all Scientology PR ploys, it’s a massively unwise gambit. When you read, for example, an entire webpage at the site blasting Wright for citing the wrong code for a Hubbard policy letter, it becomes even more obvious that the church has nothing actually worthwhile to say about the continent of facts that Wright’s book has amassed.

And after talking with Wright last night, we can report that he’s pretty calm about the whole thing. He’s on his way to DC for an appearance tonight. we’d love to hear from readers who happen to go.

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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 24, 2013 at 09:25

 

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  • Mike

    Sorry if this has appeared elsewhere on this site, but Lawrence Wright will be the guest of Terry Gross on her NPR program “Fresh Air” today. As they say, check your local listings for the time of the broadcast. My NPR affiliate runs it at 3:00 p.m. EST and repeats it at 7:00 p.m.

    • stillgrace

      Thanks for the heads-up! “Fresh Air with Terry Gross” is on KALW 91.7 FM at 9:00 AM (in 55 minutes) in the San Francisco Bay Area.

      • Trustmeonthis

        If you can’t wait, you can stream it via the above link right now. Great show!

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      I heard part of this tonight! (I live in Japan.) I’d been reading Tony’s blog during my plentiful free time today, and then during the drive home, I heard Wright’s name on the radio. What a pleasant surprise! Though I wish the reception had been better… :(

  • sugarplumfairy

    A reckoning for co$ can not come soon enough, as far as I’m concerned..

  • Observer

    And BLAMuary 2013 is rolling right along with footbullets galore. Tick-tock, here comes the reckoning … they shoulda listened to Tory …

    Hey, Davey, haven’t you heard that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? Oh, right, the Biggest Being Ron said you can’t do anything but attack, so you keep following the dictates of a snake oil salesman who built insanity into his snake oil. Nice! Keep those screeds coming–the amusement they generate is raising the tone of the wog world in ways Scientology can only dream of.

  • Chocolate Velvet

    Lawrence Wright has emerged as a calm and persuasive spokesman on behalf of the facts in this story. Every interview I’ve seen with him has been a homerun in terms of squashing the criticisms from the COS and it’s apologists.

    The whole thing just fills me with a quiet sense of satisfaction. Finally, the story is being told as it should have been all along.

    • stillgrace

      Wright does have a demeanor that elicits respect from viewers. I think Co$ pulled another major foot bullet by shooping Wright’s picture on their rebuttal site to make him look evil. Anyone who goes to that website and sees that picture after experiencing his calm and intelligent presence on his many television appearances will say “What???” It makes Co$ look so very bad and unbelievable. Oops. Heh!

      • whingeybingey

        Ssssshhhh! Don’t tell them! *wink* Actually all the attention they’re drawing to it will probably only serve to stoke the public interest in the book.

        • stillgrace

          I’m sure DM reads these comments. Now he has a dilemma. The shooping was probably his idea. Does he take it down and thus admit the great poobah made an error, or does he keep the picture up and expose the cult for what it is. What’s it going to be, poobah?

          • Poison Ivy

            Do you really think he reads our comments? If so, Hi Davey! Why do you live, but never learn?

            • stillgrace

              BurytheNuts regularly addresses him here, and that’s good enough for me.

            • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

              And where’s Shelley? Can she come out and play?

          • richelieu jr

            He blames it on someone else and has them shipped off to the The Hole that Doesn’t Exist…

          • http://www.facebook.com/rhiannon.griffith.1 Rhiannon Griffith

            If so, I want to know: dude. Do you have ANY idea how ridiculous you look to the rest of us out here? It’s like you’re intentionally doing and saying exactly the wrong things. It works in your tiny little imaginary world full of people you can intimidate, but this is the big ole real world out here, and–well, my first reaction was shock, it’s true, but that faded fast, and now you just make me giggle. Do you know that you’re becoming a laughingstock? Because you’re doing it so efficiently. Surely someone’s coaching you or something.

        • Anononyourside

          WB, if they haven’t got by it by now, after pouring over Tony’s blog and comments for years, they are never going to get it. Miscavige truly believes he is hitting home runs when he publicizes confidential confessional information, makes ad hominem attacks, and repeatedly issues press releases that declare all opposition “lies, all lies.”.

          Hopefully, members of the church who are not locked up in some place where Miscavige has attempted to imitate hell in order to get his jollies, will get it and make a break.

          • whingeybingey

            Yes, true. Well, there is always the lure of the forbidden also. Entheta is like porn for Scientologists. Oh, I’m actually quite proud of that line. I bet I didn’t think of it first! Sigh.

            • richelieu jr

              Yes, I remember looking at Entheta and being intrigued, interested even.. Very interested! Very, Very Interested!!!!

              Then I lost interest…
              I felt dirty, confused, degraded…. interested…

              Very interested! Very, Very….

            • whingeybingey

              Lol! And here you are today – a degraded being among degraded beings!

      • subsilentio

        You have to remember this nonsense is directed solely at members inside. It looks cartoonish and amateurish to normal people who have actually seen Wright’s work, but cultists are strongly discouraged from even looking at material such as Wright’s.

        The example of attacking Wright for using the wrong code to cite to a Hubbard policy letter is a prime example. Sane, normal people in the real world do not care in the least how cultists refer to Hubbard policy letters with arcane abbreviations unique to them. Only cultists care about that. Cultists are that material’s audience.

        • stillgrace

          Point taken. However, anyone who googles “lawrence wright going clear review rebuttals”, looking for both sides of the story, will get this Scilon site as the #3 hit.

        • richelieu jr

          Also, please go check out Marty’s article and the comments section. The misinformation highway is crowded with frothy-mouthed ‘fact-checkers’… It is truly frightening… And let’s not forget these are the ‘reformers’…

    • Poison Ivy

      A Pulitzer Prize doesn’t hurt his credibility either. It kind of trumps Tom Cruise’s medal of valor.

      • Brainslugged

        But the $cientology Freedom Medal of Valor is the size of a dinner plate. And it’s GOLD! That’s got to count for SOMETHING, hasn’t it? And the word “Freedom” makes it 75 billion times more awesome too.

        • Poison Ivy

          True that. Nothing says “Credibility” like wearing a gold dinner plate around your neck.

          • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

            works for Flave. “I know Flave. Flavor Flave is a friend of mine. And you, Tom, are no Flavor Flave.”

            • richelieu jr

              And now, but the people who brought you ‘Flava of Love” it’s:

              “Cruisin’ for Love!”

              Join as Tom Cruise auditions dozens of vertically-impaired starlets t find out which one will be elected Miss Scientology 2013: Mrs Tom Cruise until he leaves this body!

              The ‘Bizness’ doesn’t get any Risquier than this!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Bamuary 2013. Can hardly believe it, but there’s still 8 days left to go.

    I’m trying to picture Mr. Wright speaking at Tribeca with the TV in the background showing him speaking with Anderson Cooper on CNN, and likely on one of the tables his book, and a stack of Reviews, and Tony Ortega and Scott Pilutik in the audience and who knows who else. Got any pictures like that? I’d love to see it here just because OSA will have to print it out and take it to wherever Hole David Miscavige is hiding in this week. lol

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Hole! Are you trying to enturbulate Davey? You are such an SP.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Is that a trick question? You can’t enturbulate sociopaths, you can only Depose and Dispose.

        Been waiting for this decisive avalanche for a long time. I’ve had to discover and mourn the too early deaths of about 50 I knew, and the loss of many more former friends due to my whatever status, and had to deal and heal with learning of even more ungodly human rights abuses, the reopening of the cadet orgs, the cancerous growth of the fanaticism, the bankruptcies and foreclosures, the businesses and careers in shambles, families tearing each other apart …. these are not faceless numbers to me.

        But now there have been these brilliant bursts of human kindness, like the Headley’s story and fundraising, and so many like it, and the lawyers standing up, the authors, the press, and most of all, some old but wiser familiar faces. We were thrown together so long ago as a ragged bunch of rock and roll rebels and peace lovin’ hippies wanting to do something besides strum to make Something about the world a little better for all of us. It is the irony of ironies that we bumped into each other again and discover that the only real enemy was ourselves. That is one helluva kick in the head.

        I think that’s why we are all trying our damnest to defang the beast that we once fed and nurtured. I for one won’t rest until it’s remains are dead and buried. It’s also why I am grateful to Tony Ortega and Lawrence Wright and all the others who keep a written factual history for future generation’s innoculation. Peace, sistah!

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    When I left the cult, like Lawrence Wright, I realized that there were some good things to be found in it, if an observer looked closely enough. After all, Hubbard understood that the best way to tell a lie is to mix it with as much truth as possible.

    I thought the touch assist might have been a good part. I didn’t know if it was all placebo or if it got some sort of flows going in the body, perhaps a little like acupuncture. Maybe it got endorphines released. Maybe it just got someone’s mind off the pain. Whatever the case, it seemed to do some good in very minor situations where there was a pain which would soon be diminished by time.

    About ten years ago, I was with a boy of about four who had hurt his foot against a concrete step. His mother, a dear friend, was not there and it was up to me and my wife to help him regain his composure after this small accident. As the boy cried, I zipped in with a touch assist. After about twenty seconds he wailed, “STOP TOUCHING ME!”. I acquiesced.

    I thought the boy was a bit of a litmus test. He was less suggestible than Marlon Brando because he didn’t know in advance what the touching was supposed to do. At his age he didn’t feel any need to cooperate with me or affirm my strange actions. He didn’t feel any need to report healing if there wasn’t healing. Well, that was my last touch assist.

    Today, he is a Grade Nine students, shows no sign of engrams following the incident and remains my friend.

    • Sherbet

      Great story. I know of a woman who does some kind of tapping healing thing for a fee, and the “healee” reports all sorts of wondrous results, even when the “healing” takes place over the phone. It’s probably the placebo effect with a little soothing relaxation thrown in, (plus “If I’m paying for it, it must work”). As for Travolta’s touch assist story, back then when JT was a young, beautiful Adonis, if he touched me in a soothing, comforting way, I know I would have felt better, too. There ARE cases of spontaneous healing with all kinds of medical protocols, and I have no explanation. The mind believes, and it transmits that to the body.

      • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

        Is that EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique)? If so to the originator’s credit he provides many of the materials to learn it completely free of charge. I can respect that. Quite a different approach than Scientology where every little thing has a price tag.

        • Sherbet

          Yes, it is. But, like scn, all proof is anecdotal with not one independent scientific study that I could find. Every rave about the system’s effectiveness is on a practitioner’s own website — sort of like the same preaching to the choir that scn does. And the materials are available free on line, you’re right. But after learning, there’s a pyramid scheme to buy more materials and recruit more practitioners and to sell the materials to them. The originator has made millions with books, seminars, and videos, so he’s no selfless, non-profit guru. And, if one can learn it for free, why does a practitioner charge for the “healing” services? As you can see, I think it’s all a crock with a few parallels between it and scn. My opinion only.

          • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

            Interesting, I wasn’t aware of the pyramid setup. I had just heard of it a while back and saw that you could download the materials and DVDs for free.

            • Sherbet

              If it worked as advertised, there would be no overweight people, no smokers, no illness, no depression, no addiction, no financial failure, no divorce. Same types of promises as in scn.

              Still, go ahead and give EFT a try if it interests you. I’d be interested to hear if it works for you.

            • tetloj

              I tried it on a recommendation – thought it was a pile of crap.

          • Poison Ivy

            Check out Church of Christian Science/Mary Baker Eddy’s techniques of spiritual healing. I don’t know if there are any scientific studies done on efficacy, but I do know a lot of kids died as a result of prayer vs. doctors. Part of the reason that church has declined so dramatically over the past 3 decades.

            • coonellie

              The hours I spent with incredible migraine pain as a young child still makes me wince when I see the name of Mary Baker Eddy.

          • Captain Howdy

            I’m still amazed considering the subject of this forum when I read folks wondering about the efficacy of homeopathy, naturopathy, acupuncture, chiropractic medicine etc.

            People, assume everything’s a SCAM or magical thinking and work it back from there.

            • Sherbet

              A scam = magical thinking with a price tag.

    • Bob

      As much as I like Lawrence Wrights book and his interviews, his take on the Josh Brolin story seems out of character. I am sure LW knows what a touch assist is and it is about as “mystical” as a bandaid. He could have given a more accurate and less dramatic take on what Travolta was doing. There are numerous assists, basic courses and books that are quite useful and do draw you in.
      Where LW excels is his even tempered presentation of the abuses and wholesale lies fed to the public and the die hard followers of the church.
      Regarding your (MKOTs) anecdote about the child and touch assist. You describe your experience as a failure. Sounds to me like you very quickly you got the little boy out of his crying and hurt. You helped the boy.
      The answer that LW gave as to why people get in was good but he could have elaborated. He may have, I did not get to see the whole interview.

      • John P.

        I think Wright was just trying to be fair, because he had a non-Scientologist eyewitness describe this scene, in which Brando appeared to get some actual relief. I suspect he well knows that the reader will see this as a bizarre faith healing ritual, and will see the cult as crazy when he points out that this (non-scientific) ritual is at the core of why they think they’re special and have super powers. So I think he’s laying on the sincerity in a way that the craziness speaks for itself.

        • Bob

          I don’t know if I would call that fair. But you have a point that LW reported the story as it was told, he did not interject his own understanding of the story. And from that point of view he was being a good reporter.
          As someone who has given many, many assists and received them as well, I can testify to the fact that I have no special powers no did anyone who gave me an assist. It’s principle is simple and I have seen it be effective. That is my personal experience with touch assists. As with many aspects of Scientology there are numerous reports about successes but no actual scientific studies that show objectively that there is any true value to the particular process or technique.
          Too bad because I feel there are certain things I have learned that could be valuable for anyone to use.

          • Midwest Mom

            The idea of calming someone through the sense of touch is not unique to Scientology or to Hubbard. Placing a cool washcloth on the forehead of a feverish child or rubbing Vick’s Vapo Rub on the chest of a child with a cold or upper respiratory infection are effective and don’t require expensive courses through the Co$.

            A lot of people have found, through simple common sense, that simply by being calm and speaking in a soothing voice, you can help someone else calm down as well and it helps give a sense of reassurance. Give a three year old a sticker or a lollipop and you’ll see a dramatic change in a child’s temperament in a doctor’s office.

            • Bob

              I agree. A touch assist is a very specific way of do doing that with a focus on confronting the injury or illness.

            • Midwest Mom

              I think that it is more prudent to take a First Aid, CPR and AED class through the Red Cross. It’s cheaper and not affiliated with a cult.

              Your comment about “confronting” an injury or illness is confusing. You are still using Hubbardisms. I’ve dealt with a son with brain trauma, Bob. No amount of touch assist would aid in that situation over my hugs and kisses and prayers. You consistently push touch assists and taking courses from the Co$. Do you get a commission for each person you recruit?

            • Bob

              MWM- I try not to use the nomenclature when at all possible. I finds assists can be valuable. That’s my opinion based on my observations. And I don’t PUSH courses. I stated some have value and that is what hooks people in. I am the last person who would recommend a person go into an org or mission. I emphatically recommend they don’t go in.

            • 1subgenius

              Mine threw back her head, in a crowded flu-infested waiting room during the holidays long ago, and wailed, “Doesn’t anyone know what Christmas is all about Charlie Brown?”

            • tetloj

              Cuddly dogs and kittens shown to have a positive effect on depressed elderly patients

          • Poison Ivy

            Bob, that is the fundamental problem with Hubbard from day one of Dianetics. He actually had some good ideas – gleaned from cherry picking other people’s ideas and REAL research, but he did put them all together in a novel and interesting way, and sold them with his writer’s gift for hyperbole. That’s how he attracted some convincing supporters in the early days of Dianetics. The problem is, Hubbard did no real research. He didn’t have time or patience for the scientific method, which is slow and tedious, to prove or disprove his ideas, to refine them, to create methods that actually worked with repeatable data and could actually help people on a consistent basis. He wanted instant fame, money, and credibility. Once his early supporters saw this, they ran. So what did Hubbard do? Did he start over, recruit some real scientists who could work with him to test some of his ideas. No. He simply made himself the authority; picked up more psuedo-scientific props like the e-meter, and carried on. If there are any good ideas or helpful methods in Scientology – and I have no reason to believe there are not – blame Hubbard for drowning the baby in the bathwater.

            • Bob

              Hubbard is ultimately responsible for the baby and the bath water. His motives for creating Dianetics have been argued to death. Having seen a great deal first hand IMHO he thought what he was doing would help people but he was not completely immune to heady drug of success.

          • 1subgenius

            Trufax: My doctor prescribes Placebo ™ for my hypochondria.

            “….no actual scientific studies that show objectively that there is any true value to the particular process or technique.
            Too bad because I feel there are certain things I have learned that could be valuable for anyone to use.”

            My brain is ‘sploding.
            Do you mean that its “too bad” that no one has proven what you believe to be touch assists’ effectiveness scientifically, or that despite there being not a shred of scientific evidence that it is effective, you’re cool with it?

            • Bob

              Too bad that some of Hubbards better ideas could not have been tested. I choose those methods of handling life that work for me. That does not mean they work for everyone. But I think some of Hubbards techniques may be valuable to a majority. But now a days you have to show studies that prove it scientifically.

          • DeElizabethan

            A nice big hug works wonders too.

            • Bob

              Yes it does.

            • 1subgenius

              I think if LRH had gotten enough we wouldn’t be here.

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            I feel that there were some valuable things too. Hubbard had some insights though they were not brilliant. Also, he borrowed from the best. All of it though is mixed with horrible lies that give a cult member a thoroughly twisted view of himself, humanity and the way the world works. One friend told me that the most important thing he learned from Hubbard’s writings was how to clean the head of a tape recorder. Hubbard’s advice was to use a cotton ball and alcohol. Worked like a charm. Breakthrough!

            • Mrs Libnish

              As a wog, sciloon watcher, I can attest to the fact that cotton ball/alcohol trick really DOES work!

            • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

              Really? I find a cotton swap and alcohol works better. Guess I’ve been doing it wrong all these years.

            • Midwest Mom

              Q-Tips work better than cotton balls . I worked in radio years ago and cotton balls would not have worked as well. This was also pretty standard in accordance to FCC regulations, since we had to make sure the emergency broadcast system warnings were lint free.

            • John P.

              One friend told me that the most important thing he learned from Hubbard’s writings was how to clean the head of a tape recorder. Hubbard’s advice was to use a cotton ball and alcohol.

              That particular bit of knowledge tends to be extremely hard-won no matter where you learn it. I discovered this when I was on the audio/visual team in 5th grade. The price of having such knowledge about the inner workings of technology mysterious to everyone else was having to put up with years of harassment and bullying in junior high. I don’t know what is more dear: the $500,000 that one needs to shell out to the cult to be an OT 8 (Operating tapecleaner 8) or the psychic damage from getting pushed around by all the “jocks” until I learned how to hit back.

          • John P.

            Bob, here’s why I have such a problem with “assists.” Hubbard over-promised (as usual). In HCOB 25, 25-Aug-87 Issue II, he says,

            Every single physical illness stems from a failure to communicate with the thing or area that is ill. When attention is withdrawn from an injured or ill body areas, [sic] so are circulation, nerve flows and energy. [...] When attention is withdrawn from an injured or ill body areas, so are circulation, nerve flows and energy. This limits nutrition to the area and prevents the drain of waste products.

            That’s a sweeping over-generalization that contradicts even the tenets of medicine presented in a fifth-grade science text. It’s on par with the “subluxation” theory of chiropractic manipulation, which is utterly bogus. Once the underlying theory is exposed to be a fraud, it calls into question the effectiveness of the technique.

            So is a touch assist effective? I think the strong hint about that is here: the “VM Handbook” says that you have to tell the person how it works before you start. In other words, that sets up autosuggestion. Autosuggestion is not bad, per se, because in the world of pain, the placebo effect can sometimes be quite strong, at least for a little while (probably not so much in the world of chronic pain). It’s like telling a kid that kissing an “ouchie” makes it all better. An hour later the pain is less anyway, so it sure looks like it might be true.

            I am sure there is plenty of research on autosuggestion on pain, but the former-supermodel-turned-neurologist I used to date (no kidding, there really is one!) has elected not to remain on speaking terms with me, sadly, so I don’t have access to a ready reference source.

            The influence of expectation on pain is quite significant. Last summer, I wiped out on my mountain bike during a fairly wild descent. I could see quite a few scrapes as I lay there, and got up expecting it to hurt like a son-of-a-bitch. But when I stood up and closed my eyes to figure out what part hurt the most, I was able to see that nothing hurt all that badly, despite the amount of skin I left on the rocks on the trail. So just divorcing the actual sensations of pain from my expectation of pain had a significant effect on the experience.

            The point is that Hubbard made wild claims about the technique and its relationship to his discredited theories of disease. And it doesn’t seem like there is any reason to believe that a touch assist is any more effective than any other sort of autosuggestion people have used presumably since Neanderthal days to quell pain. In other words, autosuggestion is what works, not Hubbard’s specific technique, which is administered in a specific way, including requiring the person to use only one finger, and to say “End of assist” when they’re done.

            • Going Unclear

              John, great assessment of the effectiveness of touch or contact assists and why they would work. In my opinion, as with many of Hubbard’s auditing processes, the recipient (PC) has the power to get results if he/she believes in them or believes in you. I have been doing assists when the situation presents itself for over 40 years, particularly on my two kids and almost always got good results but they believed it works. On the other hand, has anyone used an assist in an extremely sever accident? I had the opportunity many years ago to apply a touch assist to a gun shot wound that was inflicted (accidentally) on an OT VI which was the highest level of auditing at the time. As the numbness created by the shock of the bullet on the surrounding nerves in the path of the bullet began to wear off the pain became more excruciating and the touch assist was completely useless, completely. This was a bit more severe than the Travolta/Brando experience mentioned in LW’s book but worth noting if you have had to test a touch assist on something that is not going to dissipate relatively quickly.

              Hubbard professed to have extremely valuable and applicable information about the human body and what aided it in preventative maintenance and healing. My experience was that he didn’t have much of a clue at all. His knowledge on vitamin sources was totally antiquated and there appeared to be no cognitive awareness on important issues to maintaining good health such as smoking, coffee, adequate sleep and particularly his use of drugs in his later years which he was continually self prescribing. Just look at the physical complications of aging SO members these days.

              BTW, I have not joined in any of Tony’s blogs before but I especially enjoy your entries.

            • Trustmeonthis

              Welcome and thanks for sharing your experiences.

            • 1subgenius

              Made me think of Rex Fowler.

            • going unclear

              No connection, the wound was a result of a western quick draw accident.

            • grundoon

              … playing quick draw with real bullets … smart …

            • going unclear

              Right on Grundoon, I just said he was OT VI, I didn’t say he was smart! It takes a certain level of unawareness to reach the higher levels of OT. I find the more “unclear” I get the more I learn. Also, thanks to tetloj and Trustmeonthis for the welcome!

            • cultwife

              I find that having someone hold my hand while I’m in physical or emotional pain is the best touch assist at all. …

            • tetloj

              Welcome Going Unclear!

            • Bob

              John P.- I am still re-educating myself. What are the medical tenets I should have learned in 5th grade regarding the scientific facts regarding illness and injuries? I am not being facetious. I am not a big proponent that auto-suggestion is the answer to why various mental techniques work. I do feel that I am ignorant regarding the facts that refute Hubbards assist theory.

            • Bob

              John P. -as someone still being re-educated what are the simple tenets of how the body heals that I should have learned in the 5th grade that go against Hubbards theories. I missed all that.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Thanks, Bob. Perhaps I could have been clearer. The boy continued in his pain and upset. The touch assist did no good at all.

        • Bob

          Ok, makes sense. Thanks.

    • 1subgenius

      Great post.
      The boy probably not only thought you were creepy, but it probably hurt when you touched the injured area.
      And what you said.

    • Captain Howdy

      Maybe he was less suggestible than Marlon Brando because he wasn’t hanging out with Wacko Jacko and Bubbles the Chimp ?

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        As far as I know he hadn’t even been put on Ritalin yet.

  • mook
    • BuryTheNuts2

      Boy the “big gun” celebrities are out for the defense.
      Erika Christensen and Danny Masterson.

      Well, I guess its not like Scientology has two of the biggest male movie stars that they could trot out to defend them against that evil SP Lawrence Wright…

      Oh, wait….

      • Midwest Mom

        Regarding Christensen and Masterson:

        What my kids would say: “Who?”

        • Sherbet

          I’m saying it, myself. I never heard of either one. Ah, scientology — it builds careers!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            It must be all of those rabbits.

        • whingeybingey

          Lol, that’s what I say also! However, I now know that Erika Christensen is the one who made the dumb rabbits comment and can’t even explain her own religion. I think she’s also famous for some tv show. Actually at least they’re getting out of “non-existence”….

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

          I Googled Danny Masterson: “Masterson stars with his real-life wife, Bijou Phillips, in the 2009 drama The Bridge to Nowhere.”

          • Midwest Mom

            Who’s Bijou Phillips? Any relation to Emo?

            • 1subgenius

              When I was a boy I prayed to God for a bicycle, until I realized God doesn’t work like that.
              So I stole one, and asked for forgiveness.
              (Emo Phillips)

            • Captain Howdy

              One of crazy John Phillips (Mamas & Papas) crazy daughters. She was in “Bully” and she’s cute. Too cute for ‘Hyde’.

  • Delling

    Just had my order of ‘Going Clear’ cancelled by my retailer…. Can’t deliver or place on back-order… Wonder if it’s because it’s not being published in the UK (I’m in Europe) or if it just sells too fast?

    • pronoia

      Random House is likely out of stock — it has been widely reported that a 2nd printing has already been ordered. Call around to other bookstores — there are still some on the shelves. Or buy an e-reader copy (you don’t have to buy one via amazon).

      (I know about this because I work in the book biz)

      • Poison Ivy

        Yeah there has been a second printing. Happy, happy days!

        • Midwest Mom

          Lets have some cake!

      • Anononyourside

        I bet the Canadian and British booksellers are furious that a best selling book is not available to them.

    • 0tessa

      I had the same experience.

    • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

      Glad I preordered from Amazon, my copy showed up yesterday. Great book so far, Lawrence is quite a writer. Now I can’t wait for Jenna Miscavige Hill’s book to arrive. Man I’ll bet that’s going to be a real doozy!

    • jensting

      I’m assuming it’s just selling too fast. I had pre-ordered on amazon UK delivery in France (no problem taking the order) and they politely mailed me to say that they were ever so terribly sorry but they could not deliver when they thought they could and the would get back to me as soon as they knew more. Meanwhile, there’s no availability date on amazon FR. The region restrictions on the ebook version is irritating me, all the same :(

      • Trustmeonthis

        You can always get a temporary proxy. They were awfully popular over here during the Olympics!

    • lara solnes

      just buy it on ibooks. thats what i did. but of course you have to have an ipad or something like that. i was able to read it that way the weekend it came out

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chuck-Beatty/1631176570 Chuck Beatty

    I wonder what’s next?

    Me, I’d like to see Ray Mitoff defect, and give a detailed history of Hubbard’s “tech” and tell if Mitoff had read Hubbard’s final years of “case” folders, so we have a detailed knowledge of what all Hubbard last was researching, besides the story that is at the end of Wright’s book.

    I’d like to see someone from the church computer branch, leak the FULL Hubbard corpus, that is in computer digital form, so we have ALL of Hubbard’s final years private despatch traffic.

    I’d like to see someone like Hara Klein O’Hare, or Heidi Stahli, or Sue Koon (not sure what her last name is today), or even Warren McShane, Linda Hamel, or Kathy O’Gorman defect.

    If Heber Jentzsch would defect, or Hugh Wilhere from ASI, were to defect, or Tom Vorm, or other CST top brass would defect.

    The world surely has a good understanding, pretty much, of the Scientology scene.

    It would be nice to have a new round of defectors, and fresh ones! Leave and tell their expert details of their zones in their decades in the movement, and all these above are still in, in top Sea Org units, and have a lot of interesting exciting new material to share, were they to leave right now!

    Chuck Beatty
    ex Sea Org (1975-2003)

    PS: I still think Scientology could dramatically and easily make internal improvements to stop their hemoraging and just cancel all their decades of wrong excommunicaitons, and allow all the freezone and independents to come and return or not, as they wish, and majorly mend fences and pay the money wasted back, and just skip the constraining rules which violate human decency. They could reform, it would just take some exceptionally sane leaders to take the reigns and whittle away at the worst Hubbard rules first.

    • Bob

      I would love to hear from Ray Mithoff. What hole is he kept in now? He was a REAL tech terminal. I have a feeling the Tiny Toons Tyrant can’t have him around as he would refute all of COBs ridiculous alterations of Scientology.

    • Anononyourside

      I think many older members will never leave unless the doors are locked behind them. In this cult, as in others, the over 60 crowd have nowhere to go. If they have worked for the Sea Org or elsewhere in the church all those years, it is doubtful they can rely on much social security. The choice for those in the US who have health problems may be, Medicaid-paid nursing home, or a bed and 3 meals a day courtesy of Miscavige. A journalist should take a look at this. Ex-cult wife has commented on the same situation in LaRouche’s organization.

      • cultwife

        Yes indeed. My ex, should he leave the Rouchies tomorrow, would be 63, without health insurance and without having had a real job (other than selling nutty literature on the street) for almost forty years. He would have no comprehension of a Roucheless world, and would seem like a visitor from another planet–to himself, and to other people. In the end, he would rely on the kindness of relatives and old friends, all of whom he has abused and in some cases, robbed. I believe we would all help him — but it’s sadly true that most of us are just making it or at the poverty level ourselves. (Careers in the arts, you know.) Well, at least many of us in his old community are experts at darning clothes, how to turn leftovers into soup and making our own soap… though my ex may know those things already, what with his life in abandoned buildings and all. At least we went into our careers with eyes wide open; few people make money in the arts. But my ex was a victim. A willing victim, but a tragic one, as are they all.

        Those who survive and discard a cult are, IMO, geniuses and heroes.

        • tetloj

          There’s a lot of love in this post – made me tingle a bit xxx

          • cultwife

            That is sweet of you, tetloj. I was feeling quite angry when I wrote that and later thought “it sounds like I hate my ex.” But he was once a beautiful human being, and I don’t think that beauty is lost. It has been just been buried–deep. And though some things would be very sad for him if he ever escaped, who can’t love someone who is finally free? What I find amazing is how many ex-Scientologists forgive and help other ex-Scis who once abused them. THAT, to me, is love.

  • Patty Moher

    “And the words that Wright used to finish that show are still ringing in
    our ears. Scientology, he said, is heading for a reckoning.”

    So delicious. I’ve been waiting for this for a long time.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Maybe this year instead of an SP Party there will be Family Reunion parties all over Teejeack and media will cover all of them and its made into a tv special and Paul Haggis can direct a Two-Hour TV special simulcast around said Planet to raise funds for scholarships for the kids, and a grand opening of the retrofitted Super Power, now the Senior Resort Living Condos for the Ex staff without a home or a resume. We can make Tommy Davis right and call it “Paradise”. Can you believe all this?

  • SFFrog

    I like how the CoS tries to use it’s own material as a refuting source. “We wrote it down so it must therefore now be officially true.”

    • Sherbet

      Yes, that made me laugh, too. “It’s printed in our very own lrh encyclopedia! How can anyone refute the truth in that?”

    • John P.

      Even better than pointing people to the “Nutterpedia” (as “BosonStark” calls it) was the original letter from Karin Pouw which linked to the Freedom Magazine bizarre hatchet pieces on the original Lawrence Wright article in the New Yorker that kicked off the book project, and to the Freedom Magazine article with the hatchet job on the seven high-ranking “bitter defrocked apostates.” I am sure that any editor clicking through to those documents would be utterly and completely convinced of the cult’s probity and the truth of their accusations.

      • Sherbet

        It’s the same malarkey logic used in: We’ve got a gazillion square feet of real estate. Therefore, we ARE a real church.

        If you build it, they will come? If cos prints it, it is true?

        • http://valerim9.com/ Valerie Ross

          Hey, I own a house, a car and a travel trailer Im going to the IRS to apply for tax exempt status today. I had not realized until Davey pointed it out that I should be using my possessions to bilk others out of money, not to pay taxes to the US Government. I’m so glad he opened my eyes.

          • Sherbet

            Well, heck, Valerie, that’s good enough for me. You’re a church, too! Please accept my contribution of $100,000.

      • SFFrog

        Have you ever read a physical copy of Freedom Magazine? I wrote a paper on Scientology in University and I was citing some things from an issue of Freedom. I went to do my footnotes and found that Freedom Magazine has no cited authors, no cited editors, etc. The whole idea that Scientology sees anonymous slander is a suitable response to actual journalism is kind of funny.

        • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

          I love how they mailed out the issue that was a response to the The Tampa Bay Times “Truth Rundown” series to the entire Clearwater area, thereby stoking interest in a story many likely had not heard before. Real bright move on their part. I guarantee that issue woke a lot of members up due to the over the top viciousness and childishness that it displayed. They don’t even bother to try and disguise their hatred in Freedom Magazine.

          • CoolHand

            Exactly! That’s how I found out about the whole thing – Freedom Magazine.

            • Poison Ivy

              Haven’t some recent defectors cited the Haggis/Wright Freedom magazine as the only way they found out he’d left?

            • CoolHand

              Not sure, but MANY have cited Debbie Cook’s email. It’s also because of her that they are much less likely to take things to court now, IMO, because then evidence and testimony are entered into court records. Also, we’ve seen what happens when lies in depositions are easily disproven, such as the Desmond case against Narconon, which is scheduled for trial in less than 3 weeks.

          • InTheNameOfXenu

            Remember, to anyone outside the cult coming out with a lame response like they did with the Truth Rundown was a major foot-bullet sparking even more interest. So long as they continue to follow Hubbard’s play-book, ‘Always attack, never defend’, they will continue to fail miserably. The ‘tech’ doesn’t work and never has.

        • 1subgenius

          As they rail against “Anonymous”.
          (A nice cue to re-watch the original youtube “Message to Scientology”)

  • villagedianne

    We veteran Scientology watchers used to think of a Scientology “day of reckoning” as wishful thinking or something that would happen in the far future. Now it’s right on the horizon.

    • Observer

      Reminds me of the fall of Communism in the Eastern bloc. Nobody thought it would ever happen, and then one day it did.

      • jensting

        and yet, looking back at it, there were signs. Check out “PostWar” by Tony Judt.

        There are some signs of the impeding fall of the more totalitarian aspects of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology (Damnation Navy women can now leave when they get pregnant) – so the trend is good, but still not conclusive.

      • 1subgenius

        Not to be disagreeable, but the use of the terms “nobody” and “ever” raises my auto-scrutinizer.
        My version of that part of history would be that many people thought it would happen eventually.

        • Observer

          That was exaggeration for effect–I’m well aware that when it comes to human beings there are very few if any absolutes.

          That said, I doubt very many people outside the intelligence community, and possibly not that many inside, expected it to crumble so abruptly.

          • 1subgenius

            My standard response to an apology, especially a routine “I’m sorry”:
            “I’ll never forgive you.”

            • Observer

              *cries*

          • Anononyourside

            Observer, which intelligence community? This is an interesting observation.

            • Observer

              It’s pretty much speculation on my part. When the European Communist dominoes started falling I was glued to the news, TV and print, for days. After many hours spent watching and reading about it I came away with the distinct impression that the CIA and military intelligence had been caught by surprise at how swift and sudden that fall was. They had been working toward it for years, but–again, just my impression–it seemed like they hadn’t expected such a sudden, widespread collapse.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        I think of it the same way. When the Berlin wall came down we all knew it was over.

        I think Tom Cruise is our Berlin wall. When he says, “I made a big mistake,” it will truly be over for the cult leadership.

        Can you see Miscavige leaving quietly, renting an apartment in San Luis Obispo, and maybe managing a cafe?
        Or can you see Miscavige fleeing to a Caribbean Island?
        Can you imagine Rathbun finding backing and starting a cult called, something like, “The Church of Spiritual Engineering” or “The Church of American Science”? It’s motto will be “Salvation with a 15% discount”.
        All the poor souls who think Miscavige is a psycho but also think that old Ron was their daddy will line up, wallets in hand, and tell Rathbun to just help himself.
        Can you imagine Rinder renting a suit and being it’s spokeshole?
        Can you imagine The Who remaking that song, “Won’t get fooled Again”, with the line, “Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss”.
        How about Tommy living with his mother and developing a thumb-sucking problem?

        My plan is to put streamers on my car, go down to cult central in my town, and drive around it honking my horn. That will be after the lawsuits and the bankruptcy.

  • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

    God that site is bizarre and ridiculously over the top. Take this excerpt regarding a statement that Karen de la Carriere made in the book.

    “Hubbard could be terrifying and irrational and comically pompous” and then relates an incident where Karen de la Carriere says she was in Mr. Hubbard’s research room and witnessed Mr. Hubbard reportedly admonishing a crew member and then winking at her.”

    >> TRUE INFORMATION: Mr. Starkey, Captain of the Apollo at the time of this report, wrote:

    “Nasty, vicious lies from Mr. Wright (which he has copiously strewn throughout his manuscript). Mr. Hubbard never manifested the traits he describes. He was always warm, sincere and friendly and only people who hated him and had evil thoughts about him feared him and spread lies about him—like de la Carriere…”

    How deluded and vicious is that response? This site just makes them look even more insane. Well done Pouw/Miscavige, well done.

    • John P.

      So in the late 1960′s, Karen, who was probably in her late teens, was on the Apollo. And Starkey alleges that her relating this incident means that she had evil intentions towards Hubbard. Yet, the facts also show that Karen went on from there to be one of the handful of “Class XII” auditors, certified for her outstanding auditing ability by Hubbard himself. Presumably she’s also an OT VIII and has a veritable avalanche of other certificates showing her achievements in the cult.

      And yet, years of “sec checks” never showed her to have had an evil thought about Hubbard until she became disillusioned and left. How could that be? Either Starkey is lying or the tech doesn’t work. Or both…

      • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

        Great points. Later on that page Starkey claims she was a “nobody”. What a load of crap, one of the very few Class XIIs trained by Hubbard and she was a nobody? Get real Norman, she would have been considered the creme de la creme at the time for that. They really don’t think their responses through very much.

        • John P.

          I’ve been thinking about why the cult expects these easily-invalidated denials to work. Of course, they work on members inside the cult because the cult controls the flow of information to its members so absolutely. Not just to the staff, who can’t afford computers much less find the time to use them, but the dwindling number of publics, through monitoring of facebook friend lists, e-mail distribution lists, and through “net nanny” software that prohibits access to critical sites.

          But the real question is why the cult thinks this would work in the real world. After some thought, I believe this is fundamentally because the cult sees the world in a medieval thought pattern. Don’t laugh — it’s true. I’ve commented on this before, at somewhat greater length, but I can’t find a link.

          One of the great differences between the medieval era and the modern era is the way that one distinguishes what is true versus false. In medieval days, you looked to a complicated hierarchy of “authorities.” The bible was at the top, and the ancient Greeks and Romans were only slightly below that. The truthfulness of a statement was a function of which authorities backed it up. Aristotle’s views on medicine were accepted as true, whether or not they actually cured anybody, because others had put him high in the constellation of authorities. This is, of course, a sharp contrast to scientific modes of thought, which say that something is true if it is testable and verifiable, and, even better, if it gives you predictive power to say what will happen.

          So in the cult’s case, they think that trotting out Norman Starkey, who is an “authority” only slightly below Miscavige in the food chain, ought to convince anyone over the words of a “bitter defrocked apostate” like Karen. Of course, defectors always sink to the bottom of the pyramid of authorities in the medieval thinking of the cult, so it’s obvious to them that nobody will ever believe Karen. Too bad the vast majority of the US population don’t think that way.

          • 1subgenius

            As Tom Cruise said: “We ARE the authorities….”

          • Bob

            John P. from someone who is looking from inside I think your assessment is very accurate. And from the inside you are REQUIRED to believe Karen. No if ands or buts.
            With your powers of observation and logic I would like to hear what you have to say after spending a month undercover within the bubble of the Scn community in any city that has an ideal morgue. It would be quite enlightening.

            • Midwest Mom

              No John! Don’t do it!

            • Bob

              MWM- LOL. Yes John P. dive into the world of Scn as an undercover agent. No one knows what you look like. Give us reports of what you find First Hand!

            • John P.

              It would be tons of fun to try, though it would be hard to explain to the folks at work what I had done with my leave of absence; they can’t really comprehend vacations that don’t involve skiing, golf, alcohol, expensive resorts, yachts, etc.

              I’d think it would be wise to prepare a bit first, by buying an e-meter off eBay and getting a bitter, defrocked apostate who was a big-time auditor back in the day to help me learn how to fool it so I could pass a “sec check.” With some biofeedback training, I suspect it’s relatively easy to fool an e-meter, but I wouldn’t want to show up until I’m sure.

              The only problem is that I’m sure that my name is on an “SP” list at the door of every org (not my pic) but I suspect that when they get my credit card, they will quickly catch up to me. I’m not saying that I’m a super-big wheel in the world of critics, but it’s not hard to have a long list of names at every reception desk.

              This happened when Janet Reitman tried that at the start of the research that led to her book — she was “caught” in her first session and gently invited to leave. Mark Ebner got away with it for a little while, but a) he’s a complete nut and b) I think that was a while ago, before OSA got smarter about spotting imposters. I pity the poor, earnest “fresh meat” with names like “John Pfuffernutter” and “John Pago-Pago” and anything else that starts with “P” who get denied access to the eternity and super powers achievable in “the world’s fastest growing religion” without any explanation.

            • Anononyourside

              More likely everyone named John…

            • sugarplumfairy

              Make sure you watch this before you go, John P.. Ive posted this before.. Sorry to repeat, but that tech is mind numbing and mind changing.. They practically converted this intelligent, skeptical and very sophisticated British attorney/comedian..

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emKvMPGSc0s&feature=youtube_gdata_player

            • Midwest Mom

              Bob, You know very well what you’re doing. Flattery, compliments about JPC’s intelligence, promise of “enlighenment”, and consistent and eager coercion to “go undercover”. Why don’t you just offer him an apple from the forbidden tree?

              Bob, you know very well that anyone of JPC’s age and education would be suspect at any branch of the Co$, particularly a major city’s Idle Morgue, and would be pegged as soon as they walk in the door. The Co$, as you know, is especially paranoid now about trusting even current members.

              Why are you so eager to get JPC identified?

              You have used this technique with every persona you use here.

            • Bob

              It is wishful thinking on my part. I know he can’t do that. Scn is on red alert 24/7. As to my MO, I respect the commenters On Tonys blog and try to support the positive. My humor is sometimes so dry I don’t even get it. Hope that answers your question.

            • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

              What she said! Only took them about a week to just about drive John Sweeney over the edge.

          • Guest

            That’s an interesting way of looking at it. Given their love of military-style heirarchy and the chain of command you may just be right. So much for “look don’t listen”.

          • aboutandout

            I am sitting here smiling because I had this exact same conversation with Mr Aboutandout last night. I have been trying to get him into the “rabbit hole” but he just won’t take a bite of the carrot.

            • 1subgenius

              Don’t do that to anyone, especially someone you care about.

              And you may need someone for relief.

              He puts up with you (so far). That’s plenty.

              (I’m in a quoting mood today)

              Mose Allison to his wife of 40+ years:

              “For so many years we’ve had the same address
              I’m almost contented now I must confess
              We made our contribution to the family tree,

              But I still can’t forgive you for putting up with me.”

            • stillgrace

              LOL. Valid points. I don’t discuss with Mr. Grace the pros and cons of $cio-watching. He avoids anything that reeks of Co$. To his credit, however, he watched the Nancy Many story with me. I took some quiet satisfaction in his spontaneous guffaw regarding billion year contracts.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I had mine almost down the rabbit hole…and then I took him to downtown Clearwater and spooked the hell out of him.

            • richelieu jr

              You can lead a Scilon to water, but you can’t make it think.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

            JP, I think we can boil it down even further and strip out the historical context. These are people that are taught, trained, and have an easily disproved cult belief system reinforced for hours, days, weeks at a time, years on end. With that foundation, it’s easy to see why they can convince themselves that their ridiculous denials actually work. Remember, we are just lowly wogs that are not smart enough to grasp LRH’s genius so we can be easily fooled and tricked.

            Cult is as cult does.

          • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

            I am always struck by the contrast between scientology’s treatment of error: If a critic or ex-member makes ONE mistake or misplaced comma, they are all bad and nothing they say or do can be trusted. Yet, even documented with creating a long chain of hype and proven lies, Hubbard is given a pass.

            • John P.

              Scientology does take misplaced commas and their effects on credibility seriously. The Golden Age of Knowledge was ignited by Miscavige’s shocking discovery that there were several thousand commas in all those millions of words of sacred drivel that should have actually been semicolons. This apparently destroyed Hubbard’s credibility to the point where all Scientologists were immediately required to buy a garage full of sets of “The Basics” at $3,000 per and to take their old books back to their local “Ideal Org” for burning.

            • 1subgenius

              And yet, neither LRH himself, nor numerous OT’s, discovered all those egregious errors for years.
              Wait, wut?

            • richelieu jr

              If Hubbard had had a decent editor, even just a reasonably competent one, Dianetics would be a pamphlet and his entire oeuvre could be read in an afternoon.

              In his defense, it is difficult to write concisely in the crippling heat of the Van Allen Belt….

          • dagobarbz

            “But the real question is why the cult thinks this would work in the real world.”

            I wonder IF the cult thinks it works in the real world. Because, what the PR hacks are used to is spewing lies for internal consumption and many of them are whackers.

            Every time the cult tries to interface with the real world, it gets caught out in prevarication. They are so used to having their lies mindlessly accepted, they will even contradict video footage in court, as in Sparrow’s case.

            Seriously, I don’t think they have a clue how they appear to the real world. I just talked with a recent ex from Los Angeles who was under the impression that Scientology is The Main Religion of Hollywood. It isn’t, but when you’re told that and only hang out with your own group, you might believe it.

            In other words, lies that work on the true believers don’t work outside the bubble. Are they even aware of this? It seems not.

            • 1subgenius

              Lenny Bruce did a bit where he said it wasn’t Hitler’s fault.
              “He’d turn to his advisors, and ask ‘How’m I doin?’”

              “You’re doing a great job, the people love you,” they’d reply.

          • Trustmeonthis

            That’s a great theory, JohnP. I would like to mention that alchemy was actually much more scientific than it is given credit for. It wasn’t just “lead into gold” (and that itself was a metaphor). They did experiments, and an alchemist, Maria of Egypt, invented distillation. Much of it is coded and very complex, beyond what it seems to be on the surface. Alchemy was really early science. Other than that, I totally agree.

          • Ziontologist

            Very interesting point about authority and medieval times! 
            Isn’t it ironic that L Ron Hubbard said something very similar?

            Hubbard said:

            “That field containing the most authorities contains the least codified knowledge”

            Hubbard thought that psychiatrists didn’t really understand the mind. Having failed at “codifying” that knowledge, the “psyches” were relying on their “authority” to discredit Scientology.

            At the same time, no one was supposed to notice that Scientology itself is authoritarian.
            Once again, the Scientology belief system can not be applied self-referencially to Scientology itself, or it’s founder … 
            Kurt Godel said all formalized systems are incomplete, but this is ridiculous!
            (BTW, thanks for the bit of Newtonian history, and the fact that he was an Alchemist … did you know Newton worked for the British Royal Mint and was very adept at catching counterfeiters?)
            So, how stupid were we Scientologists for not realizing Hubbard was contradicting himself when he attacked others for being “authorities”? 
            Well, as stupid as we may have been, there is another side to it. 
            Many of us ex-Scientologists had certain “subjective experiences” that seemed, at the time, to give credence to Hubbard’s tech. So, each and everyone of us, who had experienced something in Scientology, knew something “the authorities” didn’t! And, by virtue of “getting something out of it,” it was almost as if we shared in Hubbard’s authority! 
            Or so we thought.

            • John P.

              Yes, it is rather delightfully ironic that Hubbard attacked others’ (alleged) use of “authority” to establish the truth of something. I hadn’t seen the quote about “psychs” and authority before. Thanks for pointing that out.

      • Sherbet

        Logic? We don’t need no stinkin’ logic.

        • 1subgenius

          To quote Gordie Howe, when asked why he always wore a cup, but not a helmet:
          “I can always get someone to do my thinking for me.”

      • http://valerim9.com/ Valerie Ross

        LOL yeah a nobody who married the President of their church to boot! The only people who can read their lies without busting a gut are the poor people still drinking the koolaid. I bet even Starkey doesn’t believe it. It doesn’t sound like him talking. Sounds like someone forced him to sign one of Davey’s deluded ramblings. They really need to add a new speechwriter. It all sounds the same these days.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

          On an earlier thread there was a link to a thread at the Ex board, where a wog married to a Scilon tells of a call from CoS about a testimonial the spouse is supposed to sign to help fight back against a NYT article about Wright’s book. The wog helpfully finds the article, which the spouse of course won’t read, and advises against signing anything, advice which threatens to start a fight.

          • Mrs Libnish

            OMG…I need to get some popcorn before I dig into this one.

        • Poison Ivy

          Well, since the “President of the Church” has now been disappeared back into the Hole (will probably languish there until he dies, unless Wright’s “reckoning” comes sooner than later…he’s been deleted from Miscavige’s version of history. Hence, so has Karen. The only history that the church clings to involves THEIR version of Hubbard and Miscavige…since it’s too dangerous to include others in the narrative. They might have “evil thoughts” and blow…and it’s such trouble to erase people. Just leave them out. Scientology = Hubbard = Miscavige. End of story.

          • Poison Ivy

            I am mistaken. Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Kelly Preston, Nancy Cartwright, Kirstie Alley, the Feshbach Brothers, the Elfmans, the Ribisis. They are still in the history. Oh yeah, one man HAS been added BACK into Scientology history – the evil Marty Rathbun. He was historically the only bad thing EVER in the religion but thankfully he’s gone so everything is perfect again.

            • Midwest Mom

              What? No mention of SMERSH? Why, how daaare they?!?!

        • 1subgenius

          “LOL yeah a nobody who married the President of their church to boot!”

          And that of course suggests a good question for the media to ask.
          “If David Miscavige won’t respond, might we have a comment from the president of your church?”
          “Oh, by the way, there is the Chairman of the Board, and a president. Are there any other church officials, as opposed to a spokesperson, who might like to defend your church?”
          “Are there really any other church officials?”

        • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

          Starkey was executor of hubbard’s estate. He is eyeballs deep as a beneficiary.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I’ve often wondered at this point if the ancient veterans like Norm died long ago and Miscavige started making life size doll bodies just for photo shoops, like a smaller version of Heber dolls he had made. We know they Must be at least brain dead. Who sticks around when the boss whips out something as heeby jeeby insane as a Heber doll? Brain dead, that’s who.

          • grundoon

            After IRS exempted Scientology from taxes, Starkey reportedly signed everything over to the web of Chruch corporations, and now he’s just another Miscavige suckup and punching bag.

      • 1subgenius

        Both, of course.

        Reminds me of the graffiti I heard of in a women’s john:
        “Are all the best men married or gay?”
        Under which someone had scrawled:
        “Both”

        Or, to ramble on, the New Yorker cartoon where Charles Dickens’ editor is saying to him:
        “Now Mr. Dickens, was it the best of times, or was it the worst of times? It could hardly have been both.”

      • Bob

        As I said in my last comment. Starkey is probably in Scn jail and would say anything to get out or avoid a mental or physical beating. Lets have them bring Starkey out for an interview where we can see him. Where is he? Good luck?

      • dagobarbz

        It’s kinda like Marty, innit? It comes out (by the cult) that his mother had electroshock therapy while he was in the womb and it discombobulated him to where he was seriously messed up. I mean, they knew this, right? And they still put him in charge…not very good judges of character save in hindsight, right?

        • 1subgenius

          And all of the other bitter ex post facto defrocked apostate former high-level/long-time Scientologists.

      • 0tessa

        Both! Definitely.

      • Anononyourside

        There is nothing rational to be found or expected in the way Miscavige operates. The Nazis understood that emotion trumps reason, and the power of lies, and millions bought those lies. Miscavige is such a sociopath and so out of touch with reality, he thinks American population will do the same.

    • Observer

      I’m sure the crew of the Apollo remembers Hubbard’s “warm, sincere and friendly” demeanor as he stood on the deck watching them be overboarded, or as he sentenced them to push peanuts around the deck with their noses until they were bleeding, or as he commanded children be put in the chain locker. That LRH–what a humanitarian!

    • Bob

      LOL. I am sure Norman Starkey had to give that quote or he would have been beaten. What Karen described was quite accurate. LRH could be quite snarky but I never saw him be intentionally cruel. The “truth” site is anything but truth. I am sure this site is very much for the Sheeple still in the fold.

    • InTheNameOfXenu

      Starky responded like a man with a gun pointed behind his back ;-)

      • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

        I’m still laughing at the Int crew’s appearance on Anderson Cooper’s show a few years back. It was so obvious that they were hiding the truth and that their answers were carefully worked out and rehearsed beforehand. The “Every Square Inch Wives Club” LOL

        • whingeybingey

          They were a joke. Not a single one of them came across as a real genuine person. Mainly because they’re not.

    • grundoon

      TRUE INFORMATION: Captain Norman Starkey, too, has always been warm, sincere and friendly. Only people who hate him and have evil thoughts about him fear him and spread lies about him. When Mr. Starkey admonishes a crew member, it is always with a wink and a smile. Mr. Starkey’s well-known calm and benevolent demeanor, and his reputation for scrupulous honesty, testify to his admiration for his late mentor LRH.

  • jensting

    ehrm, those are links to websites managed by the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology? Maybe they should be marked for those who are of a paranoid bend?

  • Midwest Mom

    Lawrence Wright is right on the money when he makes reference to South Park as a way for people to find out some of the previously secret tenets of Scientology, very easily on the internet, free of charge.

    The first time I ever saw the South Park episode with the Scientology storyline, it was on You Tube, after reading about it on this website. My kids came into the kitchen while it was on, and my oldest son was laughing because “mom was watching South Park.” I was embarrassed, to say the least. He said, “Why are you watching this? It’s not a cartoon for moms, especially you.”

    I started to tell him about the Xenu storyline, and that it was truly what Scientologists are taught as part of their religion, and he said, “Yeah, I know. Everybody knows that, Mom. It’s been on You Tube for a while. It’s a Sci-Fi cult made up by a science fiction writer. Didn’t you know that?”

    Well, of course I knew that, but I wasn’t aware of the South Park storyline until reading about it in Tony’s blog.

    I’ve spoken with other parents about the South Park episode and everyone says the same thing; they think that Tom Cruise is nuts and they have no respect for him (especially after his Today show appearance) personally or as an actor.

    I can’t wait for Jenna’s book to come out. I think that her perspective will be extremely compelling to hear and I hope it opens up more discussion and inquiry about Shelley Miscavige and the her creepy little husband.

    • Poison Ivy

      Whoops! There goes your younger generation recruits, COB!

      • dagobarbz

        Not entirely. I’m sure there’s a small population of retro-hipsters with 50s toasters and lots of old Analog magazines stacked next to their turntable who would do it just for the zeitgeist of the 50s experience.

        But, like Jews For Hitler, membership would be very small.

  • Midwest Mom

    Please tell me that there are people here conspiring to form bands called “The Bitter Defrocked Apostates” and “Smershmouth”?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I will take rhythm guitar in “Smershmouth”. Who knows how to wail?

      • stillgrace

        Can’t wail, can take on the keyboards.

        • Midwest Mom

          I would love to play tambourine and cowbell. You can never have too much cowbell.

          • stillgrace

            Yes!!! Moar cowbell!

      • Poison Ivy

        Haven’t played an instrument in about 25 years so I guess I’ll just have to sing backup.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I haven’t either. Nobody said we were going to be good!

          • dagobarbz

            So you’re a drummer?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              LOL!

            • Captain Howdy

              Of course she is. Evey drummer I ever met was nuts. All that bangin around is bound to loosen the brain up somewhat.

            • Midwest Mom

              Hey!

            • grundoon

              Drums and backing vocals!

          • Poison Ivy

            Well, Hubbard’s original Sea Org band was supposed to be pretty terrible. And we heard him sing on that terrible album….

          • Trustmeonthis

            Sounds like the band Mr TMOT is in now.
            I’ll take tambourine. And sampler! We must have LRH and Miss Cabbage samples!

        • tetloj

          I sing alto and am good with harmonies (may not fit the punk aesthetic?)

      • dagobarbz

        I do! Been in two punk rock bands but I sold my PA system to a mariachi band at the swap meet…

        • Midwest Mom

          dagobarbz, that comment alone is worthy of my pick for comment of the day!

          I used to play percussion, but I have never had a full drum set. Props to Karen Carpenter!

        • Captain Howdy

          LOL that get’s my comment of the week ! Are you sure you didn’t trade it to a mariachi band for a little somethin, somethin ?

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        I’m tone deaf… but I can wear a short skirt and dance around on stage.

    • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

      “The Bitter Defrocked Apostates” – I love it!

      • Midwest Mom

        Just think, every time the Co$ mentions the name, it would be free advertising for the you tube videos!

        • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

          Yeah and they never have figured out that every time they try to stomp out a fire they just spread the flames…

          • Observer

            And they keep on soaking their shoes in gasoline. lol

      • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

        With “Xenu and the Body Thetans” leading off the concert.

    • dagobarbz

      You know…these days, bandmates don’t even have to be in the same country.

  • Anon Nom Nom

    I love the church’s new “fact check” website. My favorite line “There was never a sex orgy aboard the Apollo.” This is probably the first time in history where a self-professed religion has had to deny that an orgy occurred.

    • dagobarbz

      Brought to you by the very same people who find it necessary to state “we don’t indulge in brainwashing” when nobody was asking…heh.

  • Sid Snakey

    Oh Tom Cruise, the bitter irony. For a man who lived his life pretending to be an action hero who wanted people to “handle the truth”, your real life as a tool and a shill for a corrupt and destructive Church and your close friendship with a violent dictator make you out to be a fool of astonishing proportions.

    You’ve had enough warnings Tom, and you have ignored them all. You could have been a real hero for once in your life, but instead you chose to close your eyes and believe the lies.

    And as we enter these end-times, we look ahead to the books, films and documentaries which will surely be made, and you Tom will be portrayed not as a Von Stauffenberg, but as a consigliere. How apt that your next movie is called Oblivion.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Ouch! And Bravo.

    • ze moo

      Tom Cruise was always a ‘show me the money’ kind of guy. I don’t see him as a consigliere, I see him as a Alfried Krupp to MIscavige’s fürher.

    • richelieu jr

      This is exactly what I used to believe, but it lets Cruise off too easy. He knows all about this stuff, has heard it and it is well within his ability to verify it.

      He is not just part of the problem, he IS the problem. If he turned, DM misrule would be over in days id not minutes… Cruise used the church to pimp for him. He is a millionaire that chooses to use slave-labour (child and otherwise) in accordance with an ego that truly believes he is beyond our laws and morality. He is a willing and active participant in a totalitarian conspiracy in plain US.

      He needs prison. Far from DMs little cell.

  • BosonStark

    Sciloontogy’s Going-Clear-Lawrence-Wright website was designed to attract Google searches for points of information that readers of Wright’s book, or readers of excerpts from his book might search for.

    For example, if you heard about the Pfauth incident involving the device (BT shocker or death helper) that Dr. Hubtard requested Dr. Pfauthus make for his holy end, and you searched for:

    Going Clear Pfauth (or a number of variants)

    You would come up with several links to the cult’s exciting new website on Wright book! You wouldn’t land on Clambake or other critical sites I think the algorithm has become weaker very quickly though, as just days ago, I was horrified that a dozen of the top links in Google were to their site. Now, they aren’t. So, I think the cult website about Wright’s book is just meant to screw up searches or redirect the discussion to the veracity of Wright’s book.

    Their site is a “first in” approach. Did you ever watch a mediocre instructional video on YouTube that has tens of thousands of hits, which it got because it was first in on a topic?

    Tony cut through the fog on that issue with the cult’s harping on an incorrect number for a policy letter, reminiscent of what they did with Reitman, because one date was wrong on a pre-release copy of her book.

    I suppose any members of the cult who view that site will be mesmerized by their mention of hundreds of errors in the book, like they are with Tiny Miscavige’s speeches about miles of wire used in the Ft. Homicide renovation, or the throngs of people swarming the streets of Colombia, starving for information about Sciloontology and the way to happiness? It’s data. They are Sciloontologists. They “know” data when they see it.

    I like how Coop presented the questions to Wright and I love how Wright answers in his appearances, All the major networks should be after Tony to interview Wright — now there’s a perfect match.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Can anyone point me to where and when Wright will be appearing in DC?

    • Midwest Mom

      Tonight at 7:00 p.m. at, Politics and Prose, at 5015 Connecticut Avenue NW

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Thanks Mom!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Denise-Brennan/100003702978399 Denise Brennan

    There are at least a couple of us going to see Lawrence Wright’s talk in Boston on January 31. I can’t wait!!

    It costs $5 to attend at this theater but it can be applied to the purchase of a book.

    If any of you guys from OSA in Boston want to attend, I’d be glad to be your “hot date” and pay your way in as I know your budgets are low. I mean it. PM me as “justme” at ESMB.

    I thought the book was wonderful and wrote my own review FWIW:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A3INT0L85FO4SI/ref=cm_cr_pr_pdp

    • Midwest Mom

      Denise, you are a gem! Please send photos of the event with your dates!

  • HeatherGraceful

    I could love Anderson Cooper. Srsly.

  • sizzle8
  • anne smith

    I live in DC and am going to go hear Lawrence Wright tonight. Hope to ask him a question and get him to autograph my book. And I hope this “day of reckoning” comes soon!

  • moxonmoxoff

    the jig is up

  • dagobarbz

    If you want to talk about recent celebrities, Will Smith comes to mind. Despite how he denies connection (his wife is One Of Them) and despite the fact that he owns a private school with strong Scientology ties, no matter how much he tries to keep it on the down low, I think it’s still tainted him.

    From the wrap party for one of his movies where, instead of expensive gifts to the crew, he gave out tickets for a free viewing of a Scientology movie to his string of depressing, lackluster flicks, it seems that even a slight association with the cult has made this funny, popular Fresh Prince into a guy who is making poor career decisions based on the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard.

    When I tell someone about Will Smith and Scientology, they shake their head sadly and say, “Damn, I thought he was smarter than that.”

    Well, he’s not and his career has flinched a little bit. He’s not dead in the water, but he’s no longer the Fresh Prince of Bel Air either.

    • Bob

      It seems when a celeb steps out to promote Scn they some how lose some of their screen or music magic. Like it creates another hole in them where it can leak out.

      • dagobarbz

        What a poetic way of putting it! :)

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Picturesque!

      • Going Unclear

        Bob, there are still some performers that have not allowed their art to be diluted by the current church, despite the high level of dishonesty and criminality that is so prevalent. i.e.. Mark Isham, John Novello, Danny Elfman, Giovani Ribisi, Geoff Levin and quite a few more But, I completely agree with you, once they buy off on the lies there is a karmic affect that begins to take place.

        • Bob

          Going Unclear- I think so. I like Mark Ishams music and I am a fan of Once Upon A Time. But I was disappointed when he disconnected from Paul Haggis. That had to hurt his credibility with certain people in Hollywood.
          I don’t think you meant Danny Elfman, he is definitely not a Scnr. I also think Giovonni Ribisi is a great actor. He has to some degree kept quiet regarding his involvement in the church. But he has never reached the superstardom I think he is capable of achieving. Karma is a good description.

          • going unclear

            my mistake, I thought he was also in with his niece Jenna. Yes, it’s ashamed anyone would stop working with Paul Haggis but that’s to be expected by the scibots!

  • BuryTheNuts2

    So a friend of mine is in one of those book clubs…the “Mystery Guild” I think.
    She brings me this advertisement card that she got from them (she was all excited)…It was an ad for Jenna’s book.
    TEEHEEEHEE

    • Anononyourside

      That is very exciting news! Perhaps Oprah’s Book Club is next.

  • dwayners13

    I’ve often wonder why nobody is willing to ask the ‘celebrities’ (Tom, John, Christie, etc.,) about all the allegations & criticisms that have been made about their church & it’s leader. I suspect three major reasons. First, there is probably a preset condition that the interviewer not ask questions of any sort regarding Scientology or Miscavige. Second, if they did ask, it would be the last interview they ever have with any celebrity member of the church. Finally, while the media no longer fears the wrath of the church they did years ago, a certain degree still exist.
    As far as Wright’s new book having an impact on Scientology’s ability to attract new members, I think the media’s coverage of the book will have more of an impact than the book itself. I suspect most of the people who will buy/read the book, will already have an interest in & knowledge of the controversies (past & present) surrounding the church & it’s dear leader. It will be the interviews Wright does & the media’s coverage of the book as well as the church’s response to it, that will cause the church it’s biggest problems. For example, anyone who didn’t know much about the church, it’s controversies &/or David Miscavige prior to watching Anderson Cooper’s show last night, now has a good understanding of what is occurring in the church & therefore the possibility of them joining the church is less likely. If anything it will increase their interest into the criticism & problems the church is currently dealing with. Further, people are more likely to be interested in watching more media coverage of the church & the allegations made about it & it’s leader, which is not a good thing for the church. Actually, the last thing the church wants is for prospective members to learn about Scientology from any other source than the church itself.
    Finally, I suspect the way the church responds to all the media attention about this book will probably only serve to make things worse for them. They have a bad habit of throwing gas onto fires, thinking that it was water. Their response to Debbie Cook’s email last January is a perfect example of how their reaction to a potential problem only serves to make the problem much bigger than it would be if they just ignored it.

    • http://twitter.com/media_lush media_lush

      It’s mainly about access and mutual profiteering. You very rarely get “hard” celeb interviews nowadays as the whole PR machine is intertwined with media cross-ownership. Fox owns movie studios, TV companies and numerous newspapers…. all of them are profit driven and follow different rules. It’s not in their interests to have an upcoming movie’s PR machine derailed by TV interview hatchet jobs … also if the stars knew they would be crucified then they just wouldn’t show up and the Late Night Talk Show business would dry up…. newspapers, on the other hand, have different agendas and different rules and CAN be much more critical.

      What we do have here is an elephant in the room growing to such a ridiculous size that scion celebs will probably have no option but to address the issue at some future date…. however the recent attempts by that Erika bint and now Danny Masterson look so brain-dead stage managed that they come across as total puppet idiots… I’m sure Cruise/Alley/Travolta will be watching closely and wondering how best to deal with this as their silence is starting to speak volumes.

      • dwayners13

        Hi “Media Lush”
        I just checked my inbox & noticed it had a new response from you that indicated it was made 11 hrs ago, however when I clicked on it to see your response, it says it is from 4 months ago. Since I’m not very knowledgable about this kind of stuff I thought I would check in with you to find out if you sent me something recently. Sorry if it’s old, but I’d thought I should check with you.
        Cheers

  • cre8tivewmn

    I just watched the interview with Soledad O’Brien. (http://startingpoint.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/24/going-clear-author-lawrence-wright-goes-inside-the-world-of-the-church-of-scientology/?iref=allsearch)

    In response accusations of abuse, the church says “The stories of alleged physical abuse are lies concocted by a small
    group of self-corroborating professed liars. The hard evidence clearly
    shows that no such conduct ever occurred and that, in fact, there is
    evidence that shows it did not occur.”

    If you’re a professed liar do you lie about telling the truth, or tell the truth about lying? So confusing… You’d think a PR person for CSI would be an expert on lying.

    • Anononyourside

      Larry Wright very calmly answered the exact same charge last night, saying he had interviewed hundreds (I believe he said hundreds) of people who had first hand knowledge of the beatings. I wonder when the media will start reporting as a news story that no one from the church has appeared in person to answer the allegations or to give its viewpoint? It is becomingly increasingly eerie that there is no actual person speaking for the church…….

    • 1subgenius

      “self-corroborating” should be “mutually-corroborating” or it sounds like the statements are blatantly true.

      “The hard evidence clearly shows that no such conduct ever occurred and that, in fact, there is
      evidence that shows it did not occur.”

      Wut? If you say the say thing twice in one sentence does that make it truthier?

  • http://twitter.com/media_lush media_lush

    ?”Tom Cruise, let’s be “clear”, enables thugs. The religion of Scientology pampers Cruise as they prey on the vulnerable whom they abuse emotionally and sometimes physically. Cruise is an utterly shameful human being as is the despicable leadership of the religion that is Scientology. Any journalist or talk show host that doesn’t question Cruise about his support of thugs is a coward.” — Sean Faircloth, Dir. of Strategy & Policy

    I have the source video of this on my http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk as well as that whole centre tooth Tommy Girl thing.

    FTR even E! is getting in on the act: “For more from Lawrence Wright on Scientology’s enduring relationship with Hollywood—and how it’s affected the church’s most famous two members—tune into E! News on Thursday at 7 p.m. and 11:30 p.m.”

    and something that amused me I thought I’d share…. http://grab.by/jitO

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Yes, and hell yes. Finally

  • Ivan Mapother

    A little off subject…Fox News is reporting on the Garcia lawsuit against Scientology. The must have edited out the the part where Gretta Van Susteren was asked how much did she contribute to the Super Powers scam. As a legal expert and Scientologist, I think she would have some great insight on this story.

    • Sherbet

      Has Greta ever made any statements about cos in general? I’ve never seen any. Anyone?

  • AstroLadyBoy

    I analyzed Kirstie Alley’s tweets last Thursday night and it’s my belief she watched the Rock Center show. (She’s in LA with Pacific Time).

    Jenna Elfman’s show led in to Rock Center and Kirstie was tweeting comments about (Jenna’s show) throughout, including a few minutes before the end – then she shutup – until 7:15 (retweeted a comment on Lance’s cancer foundation being screwed over), and silence again until 7:35 ( she asked how the Lance Armstrong interview was going, as she doesn’t have Oprah’s channel).

    I cross referenced these times with the Rock Center live Twitter feed ( https://twitter.com/RockCenterNBC ).

    Show began at 7pm. Haggis section ended at 7:14 (ad break). Part two (featuring the James family) ended at 7:34.

    The next thing she had to say was this at 7:52:

    OK…on another note: There are so many things to be grateful for..maybe best to keep our hearts involved in those..:).

    To which someone asked her what she was grateful for. She responded with: @GregSmeltzer: @kirstiealley Kirstie what are you grateful for?” children, love, family, work, animals, friends, beauty around me..you?? .

    Her first tweet the next day:

    good morning!! Traveling..have a swell day..don’t let the chains bind you …live it up!!!

    • Sherbet

      Interesting! Have you considered working for OSA?

      • AstroLadyBoy

        Lol ! Nah I’m with the good guys!!

        • Sherbet

          Good for us!

      • AstroLadyBoy

        Oh yeah, she tweeted about tv again at 8 pm (The Big Bang Theory – which starts at 8). So, she’s watched Jenna’s show at 6:30, then mentions another show @ 8…….what was she doing between 7 and 8?

        • BosonStark

          Butter.

          • AstroLadyBoy

            I reckon she was doing SHAME and OUTRAGE. God, I pray anyway.

        • Sherbet

          Auditing.

        • Midwest Mom

          Maybe the Schwan’s guy was making a delivery?

          • sugarplumfairy

            Lol..

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Colour me impressed.

          • AstroLadyBoy

            Her Hollywood colleague popping up in promotion for Rock Center throughout commercial breaks in Elfman’s show? Kirstie’s curiosity wudda been piqued by virtue of her celeb Scion peer appearing, let alone the fact Rock Center was publicising a major new book – a media development she realizes will have fallout for her and all the Scion celebs. Yep, she would have been curious alright.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    “Lawsuit alleges purpose of Scientology is ‘taking people’s money’ ” by Eric McClam, NBC News staff writer
    Well, I reckon so! How long I’ve been waiting to see That headline! Wait, Mc CLAM! can’t make this stuff up
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/23/16664514-lawsuit-alleges-purpose-of-scientology-is-taking-peoples-money?lite

    • Sherbet

      Reading the comments makes my blood boil. So much ignorance about what scn really is, and — here we go again and again and again — those annoying “all religion is a scam” retorts.

    • BosonStark

      If Eric McClam changed his first name to Bozo, he’d have the perfect name to be Scientology’s next top spokeshole.

      • Midwest Mom

        I think McClam would be a nice new last name for Karin Pouw. How does “Karin McClam” sound to you?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Bozo the Clam? lol

  • richelieu jr

    Boy, reading the comments on Marty’s blog is a gut-wrenching experience.. The Scilon apologists are out in force, citing studies and army files that supposedly prove Hubbard’s service as an intelligence officer, that he was the greatest seaman ever (a Mysterious Colonel, apparently), etc all saying the evidence was there for anyone to take and Wright obviously is a hack because he didn’t even try to look at it…

    His book is making waves though. one poor guyt here was saying, ‘Scientology saved my life, but there is now no denying that Hubbard was a liar who’s inability to come clean is now menacing every good thing he did…” And theya re desperately trying to browbeat, intimidate, seduce, persuade and shame him back into the fold..

    It must be said that Marty’s write-up is a classic study in passive-agressive, fact-free innuendo (though he said he’d be back alter with something more solid…

    Most troubling: the ‘expert’ woman clearly must know she is lying. These documents cannot exist and in nowhere near the quantity and state she implies; She is going much further than just stacking the facts her way or slamming the other guy and into Hubbard-brand fabulism… Shameful and terrifying…

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    I wish that lovely Italian woman, Maria Pia Gardini, who was defrauded bigggg time was alive. She deserved to see some payback.
    Somewhere I recall someone saying that she wrote a book but it was never translated into English. I bet her heirs could interest an American publisher now!

  • i-Betty

    Wright’s voice! I get a fuzzy warm feeling when I hear him speak. Hehe.