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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Isabella Cruise and Eddie Frencher Reunite After He Leaves Scientology's "Sea Org"

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We are happy to report that love springs eternal for Tom Cruise’s daughter Isabella, who has been reunited with her boyfriend Eddie Frencher.

In August, we broke the news that Eddie had joined Scientology’s elite clerical order, the “Sea Organization,” which requires its members to sign billion-year contracts. Apparently, that turned out to be a billion years too many for Frencher, and both lovebirds appear very happy about it.

It was about a year ago when the tabloids excitedly first reported that Isabella was dating Frencher, a Los Angeles musician who grew up in Scientology. Later in the year, the couple moved into an apartment with another young Scientology member, Sarah Waterkamp, in downtown LA. But Isabella and Eddie moved out when Sarah’s father, Gerhard Waterkamp, left the church and asked for a refund (a big no-no in Scientology).

Shortly after that, in August, Frencher joined the strict Sea Org. As a result, former Scientology officials told us, Isabella would either have to join the Sea Org herself or their relationship would be over.

For children who grow up in Scientology, as both Eddie and Isabella did, the pressure to join the Sea Org begins at a very young age. Church members are taught that no one has more dedication or deserves more respect than Sea Org officers, who work incredible hours for almost no pay and live under spartan conditions with almost no privacy. Scientologists believe that they are immortal spiritual beings who reincarnate, and Sea Org workers believe that they will come back, lifetime after lifetime, to fulfill their billion-year commitments. Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard created the Sea Organization in the late 1960s in order to staff his small armada of ships that sailed the Mediterranean and Atlantic. He ran the organization from his flagship, the Apollo, and his Sea Org was a sort of private navy, complete with quasi-naval uniforms. The Sea Org has been on dry land since 1975, but the uniforms and naval ranks remain.

Our sources told us that Isabella soon missed Eddie so much, she was seriously considering joining the Sea Org so she could be with him, but then changed her mind.

Tom Cruise subsequently put out a statement through an attorney, saying that Isabella was in London where Cruise was preparing to shoot a movie, and that she had no plans to join the Sea Org. Here’s what that story looked like at the Us magazine website:

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Now we’ve been told that Eddie has spurned the Sea Org and the couple is back together and are posting photos of themselves on lightly disguised Facebook pages.

Here’s how we learned this news. One of our informants sent a message to a member of Eddie’s family, asking if it were true that Eddie had joined a religious order, and when he might be performing with his band again.

The family member replied that Eddie had left the religious order, and that he and Isabella are still engaged to be married. The family member then encouraged our informant to contact Eddie through his private Facebook page, at www.facebook.com/tele.vox.9 (We have copies of this correspondence, but for now we’re not naming the two people who participated in it.)

That link took us to the page of “D’edwart Frencher“…

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On Friday, “D’edwart” put on his page a gritty cover illustration of four faces, and his friend “Bella Mae” commented, “DOPE ASS.”

Here’s what Bella Mae‘s Facebook page looks like…

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Yesterday afternoon, Bella Mae posted the black and white photo at the top of this story

One of Bella Mae’s friends, Emily Shaw Baker, commented, “Yuh guys are too cute !! So theta !”

“Theta” is what Scientologists consider life force. Calling the couple “theta” is a way of saying that they’re “uptone,” or beaming. (Baker’s Facebook page says she worked at Scientology’s flagship drug rehab center in Oklahoma — known as Narconon Arrowhead — from 2001 to 2007.)

Earlier, on December 15, Bella Mae posted this adorable shot of the young pair…

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That same photo was posted by D’edward Frencher on January 13. It was the first update to his page since May of 2012.

We sent a message yesterday to Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw, asking for a comment about Frencher leaving the Sea Org, and we’ll let you know if we hear anything from her.

In the meantime, we’re just happy to see that love seems to have conquered the Commodore’s fake navy.

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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 21, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • http://www.facebook.com/EeveyTyler Eevey Tyler

    Great news :)

  • whingeybingey

    Well, I am happy for them. They’ve had a lucky escape. They really are lovely photographs.

  • Anon Nom Nom

    Ah, young love. It’s the type of thing that can’t stop and won’t stop.

    I am really not a huge fan of celebrity stories, but I’ll be the first (anonymous) person to stand up and give a fist pump if this is the type of thing that ultimately helps to bring down the cult.

    • Sherbet

      Can you imagine if Eddie went public with: “You’ll never believe with the SO is really like! I had to lick the deck, and I had to scrape asbestos, and I had to eat rice and beans, and and and”

      Nah, it will never happen.

      • Anon Nom Nom

        I wish he was with Hubbard back in the day so that he could regale her with stories about pushing a peanut around the deck with his nose.

        • Sherbet

          TC’s daughter’s fiance does not have to push peanuts around the deck with his nose. One phone call to DM, and a big being like TC would be able to arrange for a surrogate deck nose peanut pusher for Eddie.

  • JustCallMeMary

    What a relief!

  • B.B. Broeker

    A happy little story.

    Even happier is whatever Tony did to the mobile version of this site. In short, it looks good and is functional, which you couldn’t say for the last iteration.

  • Observer

    Excellent! I hope his stint there opened his eyes enough to allow some doubt to start creeping in.

    I have to say, it doesn’t look like the degraded beingness (my phone wants to autocorrect that to “being mess”) Eddie acquired when he left the Sea Org is weighing too heavily on him. :-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/donniehharris Don Harris

    Best of luck .Hang on now.We the world are behind you now…

  • http://www.facebook.com/VictoriaPandora Victoria Pandora

    Meanwhile back at the ranch, this was happening on a certain message board. A thread highlighting comments on the social networks.

    “My son, his name is —– he is 12 years old. He joined the Seo Org in May 2010. He is the commanding officer of the cadet org.
    Amazing kid, I love you and miss you my sweethearth (sic).”

    I posted this comment on that thread;

    “So, this is a recent post? —— (named after JTs son?) is now 12 and joined the SO at age 10, or younger? And his mom misses him. I feel I’ll:/”

    And got this response;

    “Well, they let him out of the SO after i posted that and posted some pics of them together on FB having a great time… Damage control i guess…”

    WOOT, internets!

    • Anononyourside

      I wish one parent would have the courage to take what happens to their child in the Sea Org to either the FBI or the state equivalent. The real question, however, is why is the government not doing anything? There is no “option” when it comes to kids, the church cannot avoid responsibility for its abuse of children and its flagrant violation of child labor laws by claiming the parents “consented.” No one has the right to strip children of their right to be safe from abuse, and no one has the right to violate child labor laws. The FBI and local task forces are trolling the Internet and Facebook looking for child abusers, when they find a potential criminal situation, there is no religious exemption. So what the hell is going on, why is the government sitting on its hands? If you found that posting, why can’t the FBI?

    • jensting

      Yep, a message on FBook from July 8th 2012 reads

      “My son _____ just completed the Flag Pro Metering Course this last week!
      He just turned 15 in May and celebrated his first year anniversary as a
      Sea Org Member at that time as well. I am so proud of him and his
      amazing accomplishments”

  • Midwest Mom

    Tony, Congratulations! You scooped People Magazine’s pre-arranged “exclusive scoop”! Now, we anxiously await more news to unfold about the wedding and the matching tattoos the young love birds choose to show their devotion. If it ‘s not too much to ask, we expect all of the pertinent details regarding what type of pan, comb, and perhaps a cat, that Eddie selects for his young bride. :)

  • http://twitter.com/BradGreenwood2 Bradley Greenwood

    I bet he didn’t have to route-out. Jeez, I’m sounding like a Scilon.

  • Sherbet

    Isn’t that sweet. Call me cynical, but would anyone without a link to TC have been allowed to route out as quickly with no repercussions? You know TC: The father of the non-disconnected Suri, for whom cos’s rules are made to be broken, or at least bent.

    • scnethics

      I know of a young person who joined and then got out in about this same amount of time. I think they just weren’t doing well and were seen as more trouble than they were worth. This was in the last few years, so it may not have been like this all along.

      • Sherbet

        What is life in the church like after somebody leaves the SO because they’re not doing well? I’m curious.

        • scnethics

          To public scientologists, it’s not a big deal, really. It’sjust a piece of data: “Hmmm, she went into the Sea Org and didn’t last long. Hmmm.” :) Many scientologists I know freely admit that they aren’t cut out for the Sea Org themselves, and many others aren’t qualified to join because they’ve done LSD, or are ineligible for another reason. So, when someone comes out of the Sea Org after a short time, it’s not a big deal.

          If someone was in the Sea Org for a very long time, many public scientologists (including me) were respectful of the fact that they had served, much like we all respect those that wear a real uniform in a branch of our military. Business owners are quick to hire ex-SO, especially for administrative tasks where their extreme work ethic make them valuable. I know people who got out of the Sea Org and then started businesses and got rich, which automatically places them on a pedestal in the “community”. At this point, some people attribute their success to the fact that they were in the SO and learned how to “make it go right” no matter what, so rather than being a black mark on their record, their time in the SO was seen as a good thing. On the other hand, public scientologists seeing an ex-SO member not doing well tend to say: “I can see why she didn’t make it in the SO.” So, the fact someone was in the SO follows them, but people rarely let themselves think of the SO as bad, or say what they should say, which is: “She worked morning, noon and night in the SO for 20 years and never got an education, so now she’s screwed and the church she slaved away for wants her to pay THEM money!”

          • Sherbet

            Thanks for the insider info, scnethics.

            • scnethics

              Sure!

            • Captain Howdy

              ^^^^ Ditto^^^

          • Deckard__Cain

            Your comment really proves my thinking on this subject of how ex-SO are treated once they leave. It really is relative to the overall worth of the person leaving the SO on what they can give/do to the cult once they leave. One thing I’ve learned about this cult is that the Cult always treats people who leave the SO based on the persons’ value to the cult, once out. And this rule actually holds true for the bitter apostates. The more you harm the church, once out, the more they will harass you.

            There are no rules in Scientology that apply to everyone. The rules only apply to those that start to lose their value.

            • scnethics

              So true, it’s always about what you can do for scientology. I’ve seen several people make it big with some business idea. They made a lot of money, enough where they should never have to work again, but they gave so much of it to the church, when their business hit a downturn or fizzled out, they went broke and had to go back to working a crappy job for another scientologist. Hubbard teaches that charity hurts people, so if one of these people needed financial help, there is nothing the church would do for them. That’s not to say that another scientologist wouldn’t help them out, but the church would NEVER.

              While these people had money and were big donors, they could do no wrong, but once the money is gone, if they can’t afford to “get back on the level” (redo OT VII), they are a “degraded being” or “ethics particle”. It’s sick.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Awww… nice. As much as I hoped this pair might be a catalyst for more Cult trouble, it really is much nicer for them that it turn out this way. I’m happy for them.

  • Dean Fox

    Shame that same love doesn’t bust them out of the cult.

    • Semper Phi

      We live in hope.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Yah, we do..

  • anne smith

    Those are two ugly $cientologists!

    • Sherbet

      And Hubbard was cute?

      • Midwest Mom

        Sherb, I never thought I’d see the day when you would type “Hubbard” and “cute” in the same sentence!

        • Sherbet

          You’re right. Let me purge the thought. Ptooey! Ptooey! When I think of lrh, I’m reminded of an old Charlie Weaver routine (man, am I dating myself!): Somebody-or-other “met a cute Eskimo girl with one tooth, named Mukluk. I don’t know the name of her other tooth.”

          In lrh’s case, one tooth could be Xenu, and one Xemu, but the rest aren’t worth mentioning.
          I know — beauty is on the inside, but lrh, missed the boat on both kinds of pretty.

          • Captain Howdy

            Did ya know Charlie Weaver was Rosanna Arquette’s uncle ?

            • Sherbet

              Grandfather, I think. There was also a comedian named Lewis Arquette, who I think was Cliff Arquette’s son. He was in “Best In Show” (funny movie!) among other comedies. And then there’s David Arquette, but I don’t know where he figures into the family tree. Too many Arquettes to think about, and I’m getting a headache.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              David and Rosanna are brother and sister. Plus they have a brother who is now a sister. Alexis, I think? Oh and Patricia …who was so good in “True Romance”

            • Midwest Mom

              Remember the Toto song “Rosanna”, about Rosanna Arquette?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I try not to!

            • Captain Howdy

              When I first heard it I thought it was Steely Dan : D

            • ze moo

              Peter Gabriel’s song, ‘In your Eyes’ is about Rosanna Arquette.

            • Midwest Mom

              Two songs? I used to have guys type my papers and bake things for me, but no one ever wrote a song. I feel gypped! Hey, maybe Captain Howdy can write a song about the cuties in the bunker.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I was thinking the same thing!
              Gypped is right.
              I did have a guy make me a mix tape once but the only thing redeemable on the thing was some Robert Cray.

            • Midwest Mom

              Wasn’t he part of the band, “Otis Day and the Knights” in “Animal House”?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Sure nuff.

            • Captain Howdy

              Sorry MM, but I have to admit to having a huge crush on Rosanna back in the 80’s also. I’ll see what i can do about writing a tribute to the Degenerettes of the bunker. Try this one on for size as a temp until then.

              Definitely NSFW

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzPa6NpY3k4

            • Midwest Mom

              Howdy! You could have said “not safe for kitchens with kids or Midwest Mom present”!

            • grundoon
            • Captain Howdy

              El Duce claimed that Courtney offered him 20 grand to kill Kurt which is why he ended up getting run over by that train.I knew a girl who went on tour with Mentors back in the mid 80’s. She was never quite the same afterwards.

            • Captain Howdy

              Ha Ha, don’t like the Mentors ? I deleted it. if it’s any consolation the lead singer, “El Duce” got run over by a train. I wrote a song about the first women I ever fell in love with. I found out by doing an internet search that she got killed in a car wreck in 2010. Women seem to have bad luck with me. lol.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Sure it’s not the other way around?

            • LaLa104

              See that’s what I get for not reading ALL the comments.. I just Doh’d myself and commented about the Rosanna song before I read this all the way through.. Again, she sure got around in the 80’s..LOL

            • LaLa104

              Really … I thought the song Rosanna from Toto was about her cause she was in that video.. Huh.. Ya learn something new everyday… If that’s the case man she got around in the 80’s… LOL

            • Midwest Mom

              I feel terrible that you arquetting a headache over all of this, Sherb.

            • Sherbet

              Oh, groan, Mom…

            • Captain Howdy

              You are correct. Thank Xenu they never got into Scn, it’s stats would double overnight..

    • sugarplumfairy

      and that’s an ugly comment..

      • anne smith

        It makes me sad when young people get fat. Especially someone like Isabella Cruise who could afford a personal trainer and chef and the best gym money can buy.

        • Midwest Mom

          Addiction has many forms. Some people are addicted to drugs, alcohol, smoking, video games, food, etc., however food is something you can’t cut out of your life completely. I would have to say that in comparison, excess pounds -vs- anorexia/bulimia, the act of starving and purging to be a size 0 is more upsetting to me.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          So you are especially sad for someone like Bella who has “possible” access to those resources, but less sad for other overweight kids who don’t?
          Your logic is faulty and your capacity for kindness is lacking.

          • Anononyourside

            What you said x 10.

        • Observer

          Calling someone ugly is an odd way to express your sadness for them.

        • Artoo45

          Well, then she must just be a terrible person, right? All fat people are terrible and lazy and greedy and weak. Right? ‘Cause she has “all the money in the world,” so that leaves terrible person following your “logic.” Stop. Reread your posts. Skulk away in shame. Or keep digging . . .

        • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

          It makes me sad when ignoramuses spout off about things they know nothing about, like human biology. In other words, you make me sad.

          • anne smith

            I am a nutritionist and I find it tragic that young people let themselves go.

            • DeElizabethan

              I happen to agree with you but we must remember it’s in DNA, tho mostly with education and environment when very young, although with money, can be reversed by many.

            • Midwest Mom

              It isn’t simply a case of “letting yourself go”. A lot of times, eating more than what is considered acceptable nutritionally is a reaction of stress, depression, loneliness, and even misinterpretation of what is calorically an appropriate serving size.

              A lot of people on this site are invisible to you, but it is still insulting to have someone speak with such inconsideration and lack of tact when there are people who may be working very hard to lose weight and despite their size, may not yet “look” healthy or the perfect weight or BMI, they may be on the road to their goal, and deserve our support and encouragement, to continue with their efforts.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              There is also a good argument for genetics. I don’t feel like going off on a tangent, so Google it if you care.
              You will find plenty of studies on Rats and the Drosophila fat gene
              Doesn’t much matter. You should know this already if you are a nutritionist.
              But these “bodies’ we live in are simply a biological conduit to our consciousness So who really cares if Bella Cruise isn’t a Barbie doll?

              I would be much more interested in who she is at a completely different level..
              But maybe that is just me…………….

              Sorry Mom, that was aimed at Anne..

            • Midwest Mom

              Yep. You are absolutely right, BTN.

            • DeElizabethan

              In defense of Anne, I really don’t think she meant All the overweight young people let themselves go. It’s easy when you know all about nutrition, and then there’s humanity and individual cases.

            • Midwest Mom

              Dee, her first comment was in reference to them being ugly. I am not a pessimist, but I doubt she is a nutritionist by the way she is speaking. Not everyone is truthful on the internet.

            • DeElizabethan

              Ugly huh? didn’t see that, only tragic, sorry and you are right, very suspicious, as to her wanting to hurt someone. Thanks for clearing that up.

            • LaLa104

              Dee, I think the general concensus and the reason most ppl responded like they did was they way the blogger Anne started the convo off by calling them an “ugly couple”. Then she proceeded to comment about their weight and then tried to justify it by claiming she is a nutritionalist. Image is deceiving and not everyone has the propensity to be naturally thin. It was a shallow and hurtful comment and one that I think most ppl reacted accordingly. Whether she meant to be hurtful/judgemental or not it was kinda harsh and she did nothing really to salvage her comment after the fact. That’s not to say we all at one time or another have been misunderstood here on the blog. Just came across mean spirited IMO.

            • LaLa104

              Let me rephrase that.. she said “UGLY SCIENTOLOGIST”.. not an “ugly couple”… My boo boo..My apologies for phrasing that incorrectly….

            • Observer

              She did call Eddie and Isabella ugly, though, and didn’t mention their weight until she was called out on the insult. Either she has a big old MU on “ugly”(that it isn’t a synonym for overweight) or she was trying to backpedal.

            • ParticleMom

              “Weight-ism” makes me crazy.

              There are some people (like me) who have real metabolic issues. After years of trying to figure out why no diets or exercise worked I finally found a doctor who did a full blood panel. I have two autoimmune diseases, malabsorption and low hormone levels. Two months later, I am losing weight and have more energy than ever.

              BTW, I saw two different nutritionists along the way. Both said I had a healthy diet and recommended lower and lower calorie intakes until I could barely function and yet still the weight barely budged.

            • Midwest Mom

              Hugs to you Particle Mom! What a blessing that you found out what was wrong, finally! I’m so happy for you! :)

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Anne, than maybe you should have altered your approach. Just that simple.

              We understand. We get called HATERS here a lot…and we really are not.

              I understand the propensity to be extremely direct…but it does not always come across well on a blog. Welcome.

            • Midwest Mom

              I had a roommate right after I graduated with my undergrad degree who was a registered dietitian, and she never spoke the way Anne is speaking. In fact, my friend was always very empathetic and never used the word “fat”, ever. She actually detested it when people were inconsiderate and she worked primarily with teens.

        • villagedianne

          Fat people are the only group left that it is still considered politically correct to make fun of. I hope that will change.

          • anne smith

            I am not making fun of fat people. I feel bad that these young people are overweight and I hope that they get some healthy food and exercise soon.

    • sizzle8

      Lame.

  • mirele

    Jim Romanesko has an internal memo sent to staff of The Atlantic. I can’t give you a direct link because the page gives me a 404 error, but here’s his site: http://jimromenesko.com/ and scroll down.

    Here is part of what Scott Havens wrote:

    “We ran a “native advertising” campaign for a new advertiser that, while properly labeled as Sponsor Content, was in my opinion inconsistent with the strategy and philosophy for which this program is intended. In this case, we did not adequately work with the advertiser to create a content program that was in line with our brand. In addition, because we had not fully thought through the issues around commenting on Sponsor Content, we made some mistakes trying to moderate the commenting thread. The general media climate also played a role here.

    Once these issues came to light and I had the opportunity to assess the campaign, I made the decision to suspend it pending further review. To be clear, our decision to pull the campaign should not be interpreted as passing judgment on the advertiser as an organization. Where I believe we erred was in the execution of the campaign.”

    Jay Rosen is extremely critical of the leaked memo (https://plus.google.com/u/0/106506966828595242496/posts/EkoaXw3JWVG) and gives three reasons (my paraphrase):

    1) Why wasn’t this sent to the public and not just Atlantic staff?

    2) You really don’t think there’s a problem with the advertiser? Like hell, the advertiser is inimically opposed to journalism in general.

    3) And what about warning your editorial staff that they rise and fall together with the advertising staff? (My own reaction: Hello, the editorial staff knew what’s what and did what they could to save your brand from being totally laughed off the face of the planet, You, Scott Havens, ought to be glad they did!)

    Anyway, that’s the latest on the Atlantic faux pas fuckup.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Wow.. So the problem was not working with the client beforehand on content and not moderating the comments properly? No problem with helping to further an abusive and criminal cult? Ralph Waldo Emerson should roll over in his grave..

      • SP ‘Onage

        Martin Luther King Jr. Is rolling over in his grave too.

        “A lie cannot live.”
        Martin Luther King, Jr.

    • John P.

      Great update. I love how they think that saying “To be clear, our decision to pull the campaign should not be interpreted as passing judgment on the advertiser as an organization” will spare them the wrath of the OSA, or at least whatever scummy private detectives Miscavige can afford these days.

      It is absolutely all about the advertiser. Nobody would have squawked if they ran “sponsored content” from the Tuscany Wine Growers Association. And it’s not the fact that it was “religious” advertising. Would the reaction have been as strong if it were the Mormon church advertising? About the only religion that would have been as roundly criticized would be the “Westboro Baptist Church.”

      All anyone has to remember in thinking about whether to accept ads from Scientology is that “Scientology is to religion what NAMBLA is to civil rights organizations.”

      • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

        LOL!

        • InTheNameOfXenu

          Awesomely funny!

          • richelieu jr

            If only it were…. I am sickened and sad…

            Now, if you put some lipstick and rouge on NAMBLA, it might look a bit more lie someone over 18… Then no one would mind so much when you raped and abused it…

            • John P.

              ‘Twas not intended to be funny. I don’t think it is much of an exaggeration, if at all, to say that the effects of long-term exposure to Scientology on innocents is roughly equivalent to the insidious, deep long-term effects of sexual abuse. I have known several sexual abuse survivors, and, even when those victims have access to therapy, it is clear that the effects of such evil can continue for decades, if not for life. Evil corrodes the soul, sometimes irreversibly.

              It wouldn’t surprise me if qualified mental health professionals (Chocolate Velvet, I’m thinking of you!) with experience could draw some parallels between the two to provide more support for this notion.

              So I came up with what I hope is a memorable enough way to think about just how abhorrent it is for a commercial enterprise to associate themselves with this cult.

            • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

              There is also a massive amount of sexual abuse within Scientology.

            • http://www.facebook.com/bob.gravlin Bob Gravlin

              I have not heard much about Sexual abuse within this cult. There is enough other abuse and this is more difficult for the victims to discuss but it should be known if some would choose to share. Of course the forced abortions the Headleys and others speak of is a type of sexual and bodily abuse.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              There was the Jan Eastgate case in Australia, where a high-ranking Scilon was indicted for pressuring an abuse victim to keep quiet, and then the charges were dropped fairly mysteriously. I don’t remember all the details but if you Google the name I am sure you will get some of Tony’s old blogs about it among others.

            • whingeybingey

              Carmen Rainer

            • Observer

              Here is one woman’s story.

              http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=173516

              And in the next-to-last post on this page, Karen de la Carriere tells the story of the rape of her then 12-year-old son at Flag by a woman in her 40s.

              It won’t let me paste the link. >:-(

            • Observer
            • TheNextMrsTomCruise

              It does not surprise me in the least that sexual abuses occur in the Sea Org. Indeed, I just assumed that it occurred often. Sexual abuse of children is about power, not about sex. Given the complete lack of any empathy in Scilons, the organization attitude that children are worthless and to be viewed as an impediment to Sea Org service, and the pervasive me-ness I’ve seen in Scilons, I would be more amazed if there were NOT sexual abuses in Co$.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerard-Plourde/1127841398 Gerard Plourde

        All anyone has to remember in thinking about whether to accept ads from Scientology is that “Scientology is to religion what NAMBLA is to civil rights organizations.”

        Correct. They are a self-induced public relations nightmare.

    • richelieu jr

      The Atlantic needs to be inundated with letters for their own good before they think they should have just made the article sound more like their usual content, meaning and objectives be damned.. They just weren’t successful enough in disguising the ugly face of Scientology, that’s all– The fact that the face is ugly int he first place is irrelevant..

      Unless they step back from this ridiculous, amoral, anti-journalistic point of view, they will no longer deserve any respect as an organization and even less as journalism…

      Sickening…

    • cultwife

      I used to be a magazine editor, and in my experience (plus that of most of my friends, who are still in publishing), the digital versions of magazines, even national ones (mine were national) are poorly supervised. I am willing to bet that if Scientology had wanted to run sponsored content/advertorial in The Atlantic’s hard copy, they would have been turned down, just as any magazine turns down an ad that doesn’t suit their image. But many magazines still think their online sites are inconsequential. And because these are financially hard times for magazines, there is usually no budget for editing (even copy-editing) and factchecking what appears on the website only. In addition, their online advertising buys aren’t well supervised, or not supervised at all. I suspect the editorial staff had no idea what the online advertising crew had negotiated with Scientology. (They would have known about ad buys in the hard copy.) If this is how the Atlantic got stung, I hope it’s a wake-up call for the whole industry.

      I think the statement about killing the ad campaign not being a criticism of the advertiser was made for legal reasons. Yes, it’s an internal memo, but you want the staff to know the party line.

  • mirele

    Also, today is five years of Chanology–that first video was posted January 21, 2008. What A Long Strange Trip It’s Been.

  • BosonStark

    Possible Pouw responses:

    “Eddie Frencher is on a special assignment, [to handle Bella] and is working tirelessly for Scientology, [handling Bella and taking photos of their theta].”
    “Since Eddie left the Sea Org, the Sea Org has grown exponentially. Any time a semi-celebrity joins the Sea Org, the Sea Org and all of Scientology benefits. [Same was true for Tommy "Xenu" Davis.]
    “Microseconds in semi-celebrity time, equals a billion years in regular Sea Orger time. Eddie has filled his contract.”

    • mirele

      We really need OTVIII is Grrrreat! to tell us what’s going on.

      • Midwest Mom

        I suspect that OYViiiisgrrr8 is working feverishly tabulating stats and book sales after last nights Sci commercial drove flocks of football fans into Sci orgs last night. ha ha!

        • John P.

          I’m sure that the scene outside Ideal Orgs nationwide looks a lot like your average Wal-Mart pre-dawn on Black Friday.

    • dbloch7986

      Anyone else notice, Edward and Bella here? Sparkly vampires anyone?

  • Sherbet

    “We sent a message yesterday to Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw,
    asking for a comment about Frencher leaving the Sea Org, and we’ll let
    you know if we hear anything from her.”

    Oh, Tony, you’re so funny!

    • http://twitter.com/gayeld Minion Gayle

      Yeah, not gonna hold my breath on that one.

      • http://twitter.com/gayeld Minion Gayle

        *sigh* I really have to pick one sign-in and pay attention to what it is.

    • richelieu jr

      Also in today’s news: Still no word from Houdini, despite promises to make contact….

  • Ivan Mapother

    Congratulations to the lovebirds, they make a great couple. I do have a question about the billion year contract though. Are there any Sea Org members out there who have served, died, reincarnated and served again who might be willing to talk? I would love to hear some stories about that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/marta.willson.7 Marta Willson

    Call me cynical AND suspicious of cult machinations, but the few short months spent in SO is probably enough to get him pushed through “basic training”, “instant hatting” (auto-correct liked ‘instant hating’), sec checks, and out on “special assignment”. Just sayin’. Maybe not as an OSA operative yet, maybe as a celeb reg for the young crowd? Used as “more productive” for the cult on the outside than inside doing manual labor.

    • Bob

      This is a credible theory. But it is more probable that he did not get past the EPF(basic training). He probably missed his band, his freedom and Isabella, plus the perks that came with the latter. But what he says about his experience will be telling. Many really well meaning kids have been recruited and then left after a short time and lived to tell about it and moved on to successful lives. But not all have left unscarred. Maria you may be right. He may have a new mission or he may be thrilled to free again. We shall see

      • DeElizabethan

        Yes, both views are valid and time will tell as you say. We’ll be watching!
        Remember they do need new meat.

        • Bob

          There is the continuous push to get new people in by whatever means possible.
          Surprisingly lots of people do not follow the news on the Internet or on TV. it is my feeling that Eddie just wants to play and be in love. I absolutely could be wrong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerard-Plourde/1127841398 Gerard Plourde

    I wonder how effective the “do not read entheta” rule is when members can have facebook accounts.

  • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

    I think we are going to hear more about what Scientology’s fanatic Sea Organization does to kids in Jenna Miscavige Hill’s upcoming book in February, “Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology and My Harrowing Escape”.

    http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Belief-Secret-Scientology-Harrowing/dp/0062248472/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358779205&sr=8-1&keywords=miscavige+hill+beyond+belief

    Note: I used the word “fanatic” to describe Scientology’s Sea Organization rather than the word “elite”. I think “fanatic” is more accurate. The Sea Org might be considered elite by a few people, but the Sea Org is actually the source of the fanaticism in Scientology. Fanaticism is trained-in to the members there, and they enforce fanaticism throughout the rest of the organization – by Hubbard’s design.

    So I am really looking forward to Jenna’s book. The world really needs to see this.

    Alanzo

    • Semper Phi

      I agree that “fanatic” is more accurate than “elite,” and that they are the source of the craziness. The SO trains its members to be fanatics, and then they do their best to make everyone else fanatic. That is the express purpose of their training programs for staff from the “outer orgs” at Flag. They don’t put it that way of course, but trainees are told that they need to bring “Flag standards” back to their orgs. We were meant to bring the “unreasonableness” (that’s a compliment in the SO, meaning you won’t compromise for any reason) of the SO back to our orgs to get them back on course towards Command Intention.

    • 0tessa

      I think too that the Sea Org is the core of Scientology.They are the army, an army of slaves. With concentration camps for punishment and further brainwashing.
      The Ministry of War consists of OSA and the IAS.
      The clients (pc’s and students) subsidize them, as is called in Germany “kanonenfutter”.
      The enemy of course is the Psychiatric profession, on this planet and in the whole universe.
      And the basic tactic is: the end justifies all means.
      The ultimate goal: world domination by controlling the mental health profession.
      It looks like science fiction, but is has become reality since 1950.

      • richelieu jr

        NO, the enemy is independent thought, and any criticism.. Psychiatry got here first by being the first and most dangerous critic… Hubbard’s own paranoia and sick twisted obsession with score settling and vengeance got hard-wired into the DNA of his Stalinian organization…

        If it hadn’t been psychiatry, it could easily have been journalism, or the scientific method, anything that dared encourage his minions to thin for themselves or tho question his very important ‘research’…

    • richelieu jr

      Yes, the SeaOrg is like the religious police in Iran, and the stupid thugs they brought in to brutalize the protestors during the Green Revolution…

      Wright is correct- It is totalitarian regime that exists inside America and no one does anything about it…

    • Artoo45

      I was worried that Lawrence Wright’s book might bury Jenna’s, but now I’m convinced that it will only whet the appetite of the public for a tough, uncompromising insider’s look at growing up in the cult. Wright’s interviews have really laid the ground work for Jenna’s book to sell and more importantly, to drive home the point of the damage done by the cult.

  • CoolHand

    Happy he’s out. Now if they’ll keep on going…

    • Sherbet

      Straight to Nicole Kidman’s house. Wouldn’t that be a hoot!

    • Rick Mycroft

      One does not simply walk out of the Sea Org.

      • LaLa104

        I’m sure it doesn’t hurt to have his BIG BEINGNESS TC as your girlfriends father to pull some strings.. HA

        • Rick Mycroft

          I can’t see the fanatic Tom Cruise of 2004 pulling strings to get someone out of the Sea Org. That’d be like leaving the team and quitting the game.

          • LaLa104

            Tis just a thought since TC is the second Biggiest Big Being next to lil Davey or so TC claimed to Nazine… Remember.. There’s LRH (who’s left his body), there’s COB and then there’s HIM in his own words and hand scale… It is interesting that French is out after just a few months and my mind is all over the place with a conspiracy theory..

            • Midwest Mom

              I’ll bet his official job is “bodyguard” to Isabella, 24/7.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              At least he seems fully hatted for this assignment.

            • Rick Mycroft

              If the Tom Cruise of 2013 did pull the strings, is it because he’s no longer the fixed-glare “fuck you. period” fanatic of 2004, or is it different when his daughter is involved?

              I guess we won’t know. I doubt that he’s ever going to chug another dose of career poison by speaking publicly about Scientology again.

              Tom Cruise: No more Mr Nice Guy September 12, 2004, Neil Strauss, The Observer
              http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2004/sep/12/features.magazine

  • LaLa104

    Good for them.. Aaahhh young love … Wonder what stories Edward would tell if he was allowed to share his experience in the Sea Org….

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Awwww. Good for them.

  • Sid Snakey

    HCOPL 12 October 1967, Issue II.

    “Any person resigning from Sea Org is not to be employed in any Scn org ever as they are out-Ethics cases and pcs {DBs}”

    HCO POLICY LETTER OF 22 MARCH 1967, Issue I.

    “A degraded being is not a suppressive as he can have case gain. But he is so PTS that he works for suppressives only.”

    Oh dear, I wonder how Tom Cruise feels about his daughter going out with a Degraded Being? Presumably Tom will follow LRH tech and be immediately disconnecting from Eddie, and insisting that Isabella disconnects from Eddie also. Tom obviously will not want someone so PTS on his lines or in his daughter’s life.

    • BosonStark

      There’s some possibility that Bella missed Eddie so much that she was ready to join the Sea Org and Tom Cruise did not want her to, because maybe they did a little feeling out of Eddie to learn he wasn’t that happy either in the Sea Org and away from Bella.

      So, Tom Cruise talked with Miscavige about getting him out, and Miscavige used his “command intention” to use some extraordinary renditionness to get Eddie out.

      • Sid Snakey

        Well I’m sure that’s entirely possible.

        However they got him out though, per standard LRH policy he is now a Degraded Being.

        And we know how Tom feels about ethics…

        “‘Cause I won’t hesitate to put ethics in on someone else, you know, ‘cause I put it ruthlessly in on myself.”.

        And we also know Tom has done the “How to Confront and Shatter Suppression PTS/SP Course”.

        So, that MUST be bad news for Eddie.

        Unless of course Tom listens to Hubbard only when it suits him, and if somehow he is beyond LRH teaching.

        • Observer

          For some reason this makes me think of the TC squirting mic incident. Big being? More like big baby.

          http://youtube.com/watch?v=99lSu0lkN-I

        • villagedianne

          Strange how Tom never put “ethics in” when it came to accepting elaborate gifts from his “church”.

          • cultwife

            As someone whose experience is with another cult, can someone explain “ethics in” to me, or phrases like “pull/put your ethics in”? Many thanks.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              “Ethics” means doing whatever the organization requires, and being relentless against any perceived enemies; this is of course quite often directly opposite to what a normal person would call “ethical” behavior. Putting ethics “in” on someone means pressuring them to comply when they seem reluctant to do so.

            • cultwife

              Thanks a million, Robert.

      • villagedianne

        I certainly agree that Bella in the Sea Org would create too much media focus. If she was mistreated, that is, treated like a regular Sea Org member, it would be a big story. If she got preferential treatment it would also be a story, same as when Tom got to see Suri. Many ex’s pointed out the preferential treatment given to Tom, and this also became a story

    • Observer

      Tom Cruise’s Big Beingness is so potent that, by the process of osmosis, it is neutralizing Eddie’s degradedness and rendering him suitable for Isabella.

    • whingeybingey

      Lol, I wonder which SPs Eddie Frencher is connected to? Better handle his PTSness stat!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I have my own “exit” survey questions for Bella and Eddie if I could ask them only 5 things:

    1) How are you going to pay for Eddie’s enormous Freeloader debt? Who’s going to pay for it?

    How much is his debt total compared to others’?

    2) What were you told would happen to you, or Bella, if you told Bella what conditions were really like?

    3) How is that Bella can date you, Eddie, when you are now a degraded being, like anyone else who leaves
    the Sea Org, and big beings don’t socialize, much less marry, DB’s?

    4) How much time in of your year did you spend going through the routing out process? Was it 11 months? 1

    month? If less than 10 months, how did you manage to get out so fast?

    5) What % of your sec checks (interrogations) were questions about Tom Cruise in general, and Tom
    Cruise’s sex life, in particular? Have you been asked to spy anyone? Have you been asked to hit up
    anyone for big bucks?

    • TonyOrtega

      Enormous freeloader debt? After two or three months in Sea Org? That doesn’t seem long enough to rack up much of a debt.

      • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

        They charge thousands of dollars for every staff training course a sea org member is required to take to do their jobs. These charges appear on a “no charge” invoice that comes due should you break your staff contract.

        It is literally indentured servitude.

        So even for 2 or 3 months, his freeloader debt is likely to be over 5 thousand dollars minimum.

        Alanzo

        • TonyOrtega

          OK, so about as much as the bottle service tab at one of Connor’s DJ gigs. Something tells me that wasn’t hard to come up with.

          • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

            Yes. He was either lucky, or smart.

            I’d love to know which.

            Alanzo

            • whingeybingey

              The Sea Org has different checksheets. There is also a time limit to get through the EPF. I don’t remember how many weeks, but if you’re not finished in I think 3 months you fail to become a Sea Org member. Supposedly anyway.

          • http://twitter.com/BradGreenwood2 Bradley Greenwood

            IF they paid it…

          • whingeybingey

            I was actually out of the Sea Org in just a few months when I finally decided to route out. The CLO was about three hours away from where I lived and I was there for nine weeks trying to follow the routing form. I went back for mother’s day and never returned. Instead of declaring me they agreed to give me a fitness board in absentia. The board met and issued the document and I was free and in good standing.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              You know to most people it sounds strange to say it took “just” a few months to get out. I’ve left some groups and quit some jobs in my time, sometimes with a couple weeks of notice but often just, bye.

            • whingeybingey

              Oh, absolutely. It was nine weeks away from my kids, imposing on my newlywed sister and her husband for accommodation, scraping paint off walls and washing dishes. It certainly wasn’t nothing. I gave it my best shot then decided it was ridiculous – that I’d never get out following their procedure. My point was that it doesn’t always take ten months to route out of the Sea Org – you don’t have to have special connections to get out quicker than that. That’s all.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              It actually sounds like you got sort of lucky.
              Really lucky.

            • whingeybingey

              True. It might have helped that my ex-husband was a journalist. They had to be bit careful where his children were involved. Also, the person doing that post at the time was just a really natively good person.

        • sizzle8

          He could also have received auditing and that would rack up many thousands of dollars too.

          • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

            Yes, and per standard Scientology tech and policy he would have received a leaving staff sec check (confessional) at full rates – no employee discount.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Just 1 or 2 intensives? hahahahahaha I think we peg our exact scientology age when we guestimate sec check Tips (estimates), Alanzo. 1 or 2 maybe 25 years ago. Plus, this is Tom Cruise’s future son in law. And let’s also guess Who is directing Eddie’s sec checking, hmmm? I’m going with closer to 10 to 12 intensives. Poor Eddie. I hope his experience taught him how to Blow For Good. If he doesn’t own his own motorcycle, maybe he can borrow one of Tom’s. I mean, it Is a Sea Org product.

            • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

              Tom Cruise’s future son in law! My god! I had not thought of that.

              Tom Cruise’s future son-in-law would definitely justify a sec check that examined every hair on every orifice. And that could definitely take 10 to 12 intensives. And the knowledge reports this sec check could generate could justly be routed right up to Number 2 hisself!

              Eddie, my man. You must set the record straight. Were you sec checked up the wazoo? And who got copies of the KRs?

              Alanzo

            • Midwest Mom

              Alanzo, I noticed that your book review stalker is keeping you busy!

            • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

              You know, I don’t get much recognition. But at least I have my own book review stalker.

            • Midwest Mom

              Thanks for saying what you said in your responses to her. :)

            • Deckard__Cain

              Alanzo, would you please provide the link to your book review?

            • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo
            • Deckard__Cain

              Thanks. I thought MidwestMom meant that you wrote a review of Wright’s book. Let us know if/when you have that one done. I love your reviews.

            • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

              Well thanks! I have to get through the book first, though. This one is taking longer than Sweeney’s. But I love the tectonics this one is causing.

              Maybe I can pick up another book review stalker!

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

              Yes, Wright’s book is definitely shaking the cognitive dissonance levels over at Martyland and this isn’t a book that one can excuse away over difference of opinions over small details. But give us a heads up when you’ve posted it.

            • DeElizabethan

              I honestly can’t believe Martyville on this one and tho naive, am dumbfounded.

              My gosh, at first thought Wright was promoting this stuff. They certainly can’t sue him since he’s given a fair view to SN sh-t.

            • DeElizabethan

              Alright Alanzo, made me open the Big dictionary on “tectonics”. I’m still in the book and I go up and down but it has such good stuff in it and am lovin’ it.

              I ordered Sweeny’s from the Uk, love those brits and wanted to support him, plus not use kindle.

            • jensting

              .. and one of them is the person who’s hijacked the name of a genuine critic, Martin Ottmann. Not the first sighting of this one.

            • Nietzsche

              Per policy routing out sec checks are to be audited at org expense (HCOPL 3Aug60 II SECURITY OF PERSONS LEAVING STAFFS). That’s always been one of the classic “reasons why” it just can’t seem to get done in a timely manner.

            • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

              I’ve seen people pay for their own. How did that happen, then I wonder?

              In fact, I paid for my own. And they threatened me with a $30,000 freeloader bill because I was paying for my auditing at special rates while on staff. When I started a Leaving Staff routing form, fully intending to replace myself, they upped the intensives to full price just to threaten me to stay.

              And this was in a mission.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Five years ago, a friend had one of her kids, just 18, in on the EPF (like boot camp) for about 6 months. She never even got on post, and spent the last 3 of those months trying to route out. She came out with a $30,000 Freeload Debt. It’s quite a story in itself, but this was about 5 years ago and the # of required sec checks per week seem to have escalated. The parents are threatened with SP declares, or barred from OT levels, coercion, blackmail, whatever. This girl was absolutely not qualified and not going to make it. But the orgs don’t care because most of those still left are the ones with wealth and they can just charge exorbitant debts that they know the parents will shell out. It’s almost like it’s a scam.

        • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

          “It’s almost like it’s a scam.”

          LOL!

      • InTheNameOfXenu

        Tony, everyone must pay for the privilege to be abused, especially in Scientology.

      • DeElizabethan

        My hunch is they made some sort of deal in writing with a big NDA. They really need celebrities, tho he’s not big, could be useful for $$$ in.

    • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

      Eddie has the right to tell his story about what happened to him, although Scientology dictates that this would be a “high crime”.

      I hope Eddie exercises his freedom of speech and tells us all what happened to him in the Sea Organization. He can get his full bridge outside of the Church by very highly trained, standard Scientology auditors and supervisors, so any threat that the Church holds over him is hollow indeed.

      What happened, Eddie?

      Alanzo

    • ze moo

      Many people who join the US Army, Navy and especially the Marine Corp have second thoughts and would like to get out. Basic training is a bitch. Eddie wasn’t in long enough to be ‘hatted’ for anything but lawn mowing or weed pulling. I doubt he had any real or imagined freeloader debt. If he did, you can bet Tom Cruise happily paid it. How many stories are there about people leaving the Sea Arg after a few months?? I can’t think of any. No one escapes the Sea Arghhh. Eddie got special treatment and the rest of the Sea Ogres know it. More enturbulation and dislike for the CO$ ‘big beings’ is the final result of this ‘kerfuffle’.

      While Tom Cruise may envision himself as the CO$ #2, the staff and SO seem to resent him. If Miscavige ever runs away, TC has a snowballs chance of taking over the cult. The kool-aid drinkers would not accept him and I don’t see anyone ready to take control if Miscavige gets indicted or ‘goes to target 2′. The CO$ doesn’t seem to be able to survive without DM. That wonderful Hubbard Tech fixes everything, doesn’t it?

      • Deckard__Cain

        Tom Cruise is a follower, not a leader. He needs a ‘daddy’ type to constantly tell him what to do.

        If Miscavige bails, I would see one of his more ruthless underlings trying to take control, not some idiotic rabid puppy with strange teeth.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          You are right, but I think he fancies himself as being a leader and just like Mis?avige. But there is no way Cruise could step in. He simply isn’t smart enough to even bluff (act) has way through the first week.
          He would be wailing like a mashed cat and hiding behind his Mom and Sister.

          • ze moo

            Too many of the loyal minions have heard Miscavige call TC their ‘best and hardest working’ member. The resentment factor must be huge. Given that alone, TC would have a mountain to climb if he wanted to be COB. No, I think you’re correct, TC doesn’t have the backbone or inclination to try to run the scam. He’s too busy ‘spreading’ the joy, tech and love of LRH to the world for such mundane pursuits as running the show.

            • whingeybingey

              He also hasn’t been trained in all the intelligence stuff. He’d be a sitting duck.

        • ze moo

          Should little Davey ‘go to target 2′, I expect the CO$ to become something like Nikita Khrushchev in 1953 after Stalin croaked. Khrushchev was 1 of 3 decision makers for a few months until Nikita out maneuvered the others and took total control. Eventually, the CO$ would have another MIscavige, though probably a taller one. The CO$ system allows only one ‘big being’.

          • coonellie

            Maybe we could get Dick Solomon? ;>

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Statistically speaking I think the probability of a “taller one” is explicitly inferred.
            Is the alternative possible?
            Sure.

            But not bloody likely eh…

          • Observer

            Judging by the two Big Beings we currently have, it appears that Bigness of Being is in inverse proportion to Stature of Meat Sack.

    • Artoo45

      Nothing about reading railroad timetables? I’m disappointed.

    • TheNextMrsTomCruise

      1) How are you going to pay for Eddie’s enormous Freeloader debt? Who’s going to pay for it?

      Daddy? Can I have a million dollars? If not, I can always go visit Mom. Or Aunt Katie Holmes.

      How much is his debt total compared to others’?

      Daddy, can I have a million dollars? If not I can always go visit Mom

      2) What were you told would happen to you, or Bella, if you told Bella what conditions were really like?

      Daddy, those Sea Ogres are scaring me.

      3) How is that Bella can date you, Eddie, when you are now a degraded being, like anyone else who leaves
      the Sea Org, and big beings don’t socialize, much less marry, DB’s?

      See answer to number two

      4) How much time in of your year did you spend going through the routing out process? Was it 11 months?
      month? If less than 10 months, how did you manage to get out so fast?

      Daddy? Eddie is enturbulated. Can you help him with your Big Beingness?

      5) What % of your sec checks (interrogations) were questions about Tom Cruise in general, and Tom
      Cruise’s sex life, in particular? Have you been asked to spy on anyone? Have you been asked to hit up
      anyone for big bucks? Do you have a quota?

      Hello Auntie Katie Holmes. Can we stay with you for awhile? We miss Suri.

      • Charles Boot

        Is this the kind of harassment one faces at the CoS? No wonder they left. This is straight up bullying. Aggressive, intrusive, presumptuous, and cruel. It’s Scientology’s message: “Fall in line, or else.” Wow.

  • ze moo

    My NY Times web page displayed this ad. Freakin cookies…..Wright is doing major damage to the cult, I wonder how many PI’s are following him?

    • Midwest Mom

      From Karin Kung Pouw:

      “Oh, is he still around? Aren’t his fifteen minutes of fame over? You are imagining things! Lawrence Wrong is paranoid and delusional to think that anyone is following him or even cares that he exists! Those people “following” him are his own bodyguards, whom he hired to fend off fans who are demanding their money back from his boorish book, you dumb – dumbs. Grow up, people!”

      KA-POUW!

      • Ivan Mapother

        And if the response is from Kung Pouw Shrimp, who’s doing the writing?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Haha…..that was good!

        • Captain Howdy

          That’s a keeper.

        • richelieu jr

          Kung Pouw Shrimp and Kung Pouw Chicken are the same shrimpy little chicken behind the curtain, Mr DM his own self!

          Whereas the spokespouwson her own elf is in a hole that doesn’t exist somewhere I don’t give a crap about…

    • LaLa104

      Oh I’m sure he’s well aware of the damage that will ensue from this book… He’s a rebel I tell ya and I salute him…

      • whingeybingey

        Texas again!

  • Anon Nom Nom

    I hereby propose that we should now create a new rallying cry. I suggest something along the lines of the following:
    “What do we want?”
    “2 C EF W/ HER 2D IC W/O TC & DM!!”
    “When do we want it?”
    “Either now or when the federal government eventually decides to do their job!”

  • Sidney18511

    I did some snooping on their FB pages and it appears most of the commenters are Scientologists. These 2 are still in up to their neck but maybe when they get into trouble for the media attention that they “pulled in”, it will give them something to think about. These 2 were raised in this cult. The odds are against them getting out.

    • Deckard__Cain

      It is unlikely that Bella and/or Conor will ever get the same bad treatment from Scientology that drove many 2nd Generation kids from the Cult. They even have a life raft in Kidman, which many Scieno kids don’t have. But it takes severe abuse or neglect for most of these kids to walk away and the Cruise kids have it too easy.

      • DeElizabethan

        Absolutely, they are the privileged ones.

      • http://twitter.com/tetloj tetloj

        Absolutely. Another tin foil view of the whole episode is that it was a set up to demonstrate that the Sea Org ain’t so bad – you can come and go as you please (exhibit a: Eddie Frencher).Remember the key defensive actions now are keeping current Scis in and showing them that all this entheta is nonsense. An untraumatic experience and easy departure for Eddie will convince those in that circle that all of Wright’s observations/allegations are mental.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerard-Plourde/1127841398 Gerard Plourde

      “maybe when they get into trouble for the media attention that they “pulled in”, it will give them something to think about.”
      I think that the ease and breadth of social communication today makes it much easier and more likely that kids raised in Scientology will opt out. I do agree with your assessment of the odds against Bella and Conor leaving but attribute that to the Cruise connection.

      • Anononyourside

        And when the FBI finally raids the church, freezes Miscavige’s offshore accounts, and puts Miscavige in jail, even Bella and Connor will probably leave.

  • mook

    Travolta’s costar from ‘The Punisher’ all but outs him
    http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=14174&MediaType=1&Category=22

    • BuryTheNuts2

      No, Mook, No!
      John Travolta is a OT VI Scientologist.
      One cannot be an OT VI and be tone 1.1.
      This would mean the “Tech” does not work, and we know that the tech works 100% of the time.
      Just ask any massage therapist in the Northern Hemisphere and they will tell you that John Travolta is the model for everything Scientology can do for a Thetan.

      • Anononyourside

        I feel so sorry for JT, what a miserable life. Not only is he told that being gay is the lowest of the low by his own religion, but the media is taking great joy in outing him. The same people who support gay marriage are passing judgment on whether he is gay or not, or condemning him for being gay and not coming out. What? When did that become cool? I say don’t continue Miscavige’s prurient obsession over whether someone is gay. Put Miscavige in jail and the whole rotten mess will fall apart. Who cares if JT is gay?

        • Midwest Mom

          I wish Travolta would speak out on behalf of people like our Derek, who suffer from the Co$’s forced disconnection from their families, because they are gay.

          • whingeybingey

            I wish Travolta would fall head over heels for someone outside of the cult and tell them exactly where they can stick their e-meter. I would really like to see him find happiness romantically as well as freedom to be his own person. It saddens me that anyone is so lonely that they need to reach out to strangers.

        • Captain Howdy

          You don’t think JT perhaps being gay and belonging to an organization that denigrates gay folks is perhaps bringing the condemnation on himself ?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            That would be a…..

            • Captain Howdy

              Jeez, the least he could do is say ‘I’m single”.

          • LaLa104

            Exactly! Tell him Tony what he’s just won behind door number 3!

          • Anononyourside

            I agree he must be self-hating for allowing the church to continue is discrimination against gays, Paul Haggis said the tipping point for his exit was the church’s anti-gay stands. But Haggis isn’t gay (to my knowledge), and someone JT’s age grew up hiding his sexual orientation. I have lived with family members who suffered greatly over their sexual orientation, and I cannot in good conscious “out” anyone who, for whatever reason, is still in the closet.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              Haggis has lesbian daughters, who had already thrown themselves into the fight against Prop 8 in California when Haggis found out that the CoS was fighting on the other side.

            • Anononyourside

              And “friends” of his daughters disconnected when they found out one or both were gay, and spread rumors of their “1.1 tone” scale. If the church publicly stated that Jews or African Americans were 1.1 tone scale and not wanted in the church, Mel Gibson would not be the only actor condemned as a rascist anti-Semite. So why do TC et al get a pass on their homophobia?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Anon, I understand your pain and where you are coming from…but that damn TONE SCALE was already there!
              LRH!!!!

            • Midwest Mom

              More importantly, why does Hubbard get a “pass”?

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

              Most ex-Scientologists leave the cult because the abuse gets too much for them to handle personally. Haggis is one of the few that left on principle, which is a significant difference.

            • Captain Howdy

              It’s not a question of outing someone against their will a la Jodie Foster, it’s a question of forcing a hypocrite to face up to being a member of an actively anti-gay sinister cult. It’s a world of difference.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              I don’t see it as being all that different. He’s been battered by the mind-fuck worse than many, and you come across as blaming him for not waking up quickly enough for your tastes. While his continued presence in the cult helps to perpetuate the cult, he hasn’t been known to do many evil things personally; unlike Tom Cruise, say, who has exploited many slave laborers, the worst thing Travolta can be accused of is Battlefield Earth.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I think JT coming out would be about as much of a news flash as Anderson Cooper.
          I don’t think the media (or anyone) is condemning him because he is gay. At this point I think they are mocking him because he won’t come out.
          I am not saying I totally agree with that tactic…but if he wants to stay in the closet he sure picked the wrong Devil to walk with…
          The only way he can take away their power is to neutralize it.
          Come out!

          • Anononyourside

            There was an organization of radical gays, they may still exist, which thought that all gays should be outed. It caused suicides. I had friends in the gay community who were harmed by this. People have the right to be in the closet. I personally think JT doesn’t realize how much support he would have if he came out, and left that vile, evil church.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I agree he has that right and I had a bunch of friends out west who were gay and/or transexual and I understand exactly where you are coming from. I loved those people and I know how much some of them struggled because of their jobs, or (mostly) because of their own families.
              And I remember about 15-20 years ago when the radical gays gleefully outted people and destroyed lives. I had a beautiful transexual friend who was beaten within an inch of her life and she was a sweetheart…wouldn’t hurt a fly….It was beyond sickening.

              But JT has not exactly “hid” the fact that he was gay over the years. He has had several ‘false starts” at coming out. And he has made some pretty big errors in judgement if he wanted to stay hidden. He had the right to stay in the closet…but he did a shitty job of doing it.
              I think he would have tons of support if he came out.
              I can’t support his lies anymore because that’s what it has devolved into. And especially with his involvement in Scientology. He should be ashamed of himself.
              That is just my opinion of course.

            • Captain Howdy

              The thing is you younger people need to know is that being gay was a crime in itself back in the 30’s, 40’s, 50’s 60’s etc.

              I was born in San Francisco and I always thought that the reason that S.F was the gay capitol of the world was because of it’s legendary openness and the Barbary coast etc.

              Then I read an article about how when WWII started the armed forces tried to weed every known homosexual out of the military and that they were usually discharged at the Presidio base in S.F. and seeing as how their dishonorable discharge papers listed the reason as “homosexual” a lot of them couldn’t return to their home states where homosexuality was in itself a crime, so they were stuck in the bay area.

        • grundoon

          Aside from the Scientology angle, really his personal life is none of our business.

          • Anononyourside

            Agreed!!

          • Captain Howdy

            “his personal life is none of our business”.

            Agreed, soon as renounces the CofS and the teaching of L Ron Hubbard and stops trying to bushwhack professional masseuses.

        • villagedianne

          Gay or Straight, it is Not OK to hit on legit Message Therapists or other underlings. Especially when the person makes it clear they are Not Interested. Not only is Travolta shilling for a homophobic organization, but he is also guilty of sexual harrassment. It’s Travolta’s hypocrisy and shady deallings that make it a story the tabloids can’t get enough of.

          • Anononyourside

            Yikes, this is a real hot topic! (No pun intended.). I would so much rather attack Miscavige, the slave master, or Cruise, the wannabe overseer. We will have to agree to disagree on JT issues.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              No kidding…we went viral on our own turf!
              the funny thing is…we are all not that far apart.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

            It’s part of the trap he has built for himself. A closeted person can go out to a gay bar for a discreet hookup, but how is a closeted celebrity supposed to meet somebody on the sly?

      • Observer

        JT as been exposed to the brainwashing for decades, celebrity or not. I wonder if he is just manifesting that bizarre Scn ability to hold firmly to conflicting beliefs. In other words, he may have convinced himself that he’s not gay, despite his obvious attraction to men and his seeming compulsion to molest masseurs.

        Or maybe his reactive mind is hoping that if he embarrasses Kelly enough, she’ll give him the boot and he’ll finally be out of her clutches. I get the feeling she’s not what you would call pleasant to live with.

  • It All Comes Out

    If he wasn’t spying on Bella and the Cruise family before, he is now. For the good of “his eternity”. Since when do people get out of Sea Org after only a few short months?

    And why isn’t he skinny – I thought they half starved them on the usual rice-and-beans, lean-mean-crazy machine diet? At least he got out before his digestion was ruined.

    And how interesting that they had to leave their roommate after her father left! I wonder who is disconnected from whom now? They from their roommate? Their roommate from her father? The roommate from scientology and all it’s fabulous perks?

    Very interesting. They’re having more brushes with disconnection, no doubt. How ugly that anyone, much less these people who grew up in the cult, now have to report on every detail of their sex and emotional lives. Just … gross.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I believe the roommate stayed with her family. I think they were all declared.
      Gerhart Waterkamp post’s at Marty’s site on occasion.

    • sizzle8

      There’s a fairly high departure rate for new recruits. They first join the EPF – Estates Project Force – where they do grunt work while studying the rules and policies of the SO. A lot of people quickly figure out that this is not what they signed up for and leave. There’s pressure to stay but nowhere as much as if you’ve actually been there for a while.

      • It All Comes Out

        I see. At least there’s a mechanism by which they can leave during a “probationary” period. I can’t imagine who would enjoy that, but young people tend to be looking for a positive system of discipline to plug into.

        And I imagine that being engaged to Bella Cruise is a lot more fun than Sea Org, at any level. Unless she wants to leave scientology, which I don’t imagine she will do, even should she want to. Who knows, she may have gotten into deep trouble just by saying publicly that she loves her mother and speaks to her and sees her sometimes!

        But this relationship won’t thrive unless Papa can exert full Cruise-control over her man. Bella comes with ropes attached, not mere strings.

        • villagedianne

          I think the story about Bella speaking to her mom Nicole was planted by Tom’s publicists during a period when Tom and Katie were quietly separated. One of the gossip sites, CrazyDaysandNights, pointed out Before the divorce filing that Tom and Katie were no longer being photographed together with Suri, but only separately with Suri. They called it before the divorce that Tom and Katie were quietly separated.
          So if Tom was”blindsided” it was by the timing, not the divorce itself. Therefore, the story about Bella’s supposed close ralationship with Nicole was put out to make the public support the idea for Tom to have joint custody of Suri, in advance of a possible divorce. Remember, Bella herself does not appear to seek the spotlight at all, and I doubt very much if she would go public with anything without checking with control-freak Tom first.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        If what I’m seeing and hearing is correct, the exodus of staff is just in the beginning stages, even Sea Org members, not because they know what’s going on but due to the physical and mental abuse escalating. New recruits might be subjected to even more intense pressure to stay, but if it’s done by 24/7 gang bang sec checks, this will only make them eject sooner. (It’s those sec checks that will add up fast big bucks)

        How many staff do you really need for a few hundred IAS patrons who are willing customers that just fork over their assets …. all you have to do is ask (or threaten their family with disconnection or No OT 4 U!)

  • villagedianne

    Great scoop! Tony the ‘Tega comes through again!
    In the Tom Cruise video that the COS tried to squelch, Cruise says Isabella once asked him “Have your ever met an SP?”
    Poor Isabella. Not only is her mother an SP, but she now may be sleeping with one.

  • SP ‘Onage

    Good for them!

    By golly, shucks, it looks like the Cruise’s are becoming a thorn in Miscavige’s side. Ouch!

    Thank you, TonyO and anonymous scientology mole for the scoop!

  • richelieu jr

    Always glad to see anybody leave the SeaOrg, and I am all in favour of young love, but all I really see here are two rich kids who don’t have to play by the rules because of money and power and who their dad is (BTW, I have nothing against money and power, either, but I see nothing intrinsically worthy of celebration in them)

    The only good thing I can see is that regular Scilons who cry and abort and are dragged back when they run my get a little pissed at the different rules for the privileged…

    Sign, here! It’s a billion-year contract, unless you don’t feel like it, are in love, or Tom Cruise is your dad or your loved one’s dad. Otherwise– file down those teeth and get scrubbing on the toilet with your toothbrush…

    If only the Headleys had known enough to be in love, really in love- like these two, then they could have just waltzed out of of LRonswitz no problem..

    How would TC feel if someone treated his daughter the way he treated his ‘girlfriend’? I can see a lot that needs fixing on her, starting with the father’s teeth, his attitude

  • dbloch7986

    Well I was considered and treated as something less than human for leaving the sea org. Anyone who leaves the sea org is considered a degraded being in scientology, unless of course you’re famous. And it probably helps that he is straight too. I guess I was too far removed from Hubbard’s perfection to be considered normal after I left. I was poor, layman, gay, and intellectual. The ideal scientologist would be able to surrender their cognitive abilities with little or no fight, be rich, famous, straight and white.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      And stoopid!

    • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

      I’m sorry if you’ve answered this elsewhere, D, but what was your freeloader’s debt?

      How many intensives did your routing out sec check take, and what were you charged per intensive – if you don’t mind my asking?

      Alanzo

      • dbloch7986

        I haven’t before. I was given a $12,000 freeloader debt. All of the courses I did were work related except the PTS/SP Course. I think my interrogation was charged at around $1000/hr. I can’t remember its been ages, but it was done at AOLA and the review auditing there, which is the rate they charged me was somewhere around $900 and change per hour

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

          So does your dad still speak to you, or was all the trickeration to keep you in pseudo-good-standing wasted anyway?

          • dbloch7986

            It was wasted. I’m a declared SP now. I’ve seen my declare and I was hoping to get a copy, but they would not let me have it.

            My dad paying off my freeloader’s debt was the biggest thing that drove me to write that post on ESMB. I had tried so hard to make it completely clear that I was not interested and being tricked like that upset me more than I can express in words. I was so angry at my dad and my mom because she was in on it too.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              So sorry. Wish I could give you a hug, but a virtual hug will have to do.

            • dbloch7986

              Thank you! Hugs back atcha. I love hugs in all their forms!

            • Snuzey

              Wow that is really crap, I’d be devastated. I guess they were tricked into thinking that this was their only way to be able to keep talking to you. Of course they didn’t think ahead because they are brainwashed I suppose. That’s so sad. Don’t blame you for speaking out at all, I’d be gutted and angry too. One wonders if they are regretting what they did. That’s just classic manipulation of the highest order. So sorry to hear this story. Hope you can get your head round it.

  • Pepsicat

    Call me cynical but when I heard he was recruited, my thought was that he was recruited in an attempt to get Isabella to join (without having to actually ask her to join – unlike any other non-celeb Scio kid.) Then if Isabella was on board, Cruise would have to face a real disconnection threat if he ever left.

    • DeElizabethan

      I thought so too at first. Now I think it was a plan to check him out and see what he was made of (while further brain washing) and then release him if Ok to do other work.

    • villagedianne

      Good possibility. Maybe it became too radioactive of a plan once all the books came out this year, exposing the Sea Org to public scrutiny.

  • Deckard__Cain

    Tony, I know it is a slow news day (compared to the last couple of weeks) so I’ll take the opportunity to bring up some of the more wonky, dia-NUTTY things I’ve seen Disqus do lately. I’m not sure if others have already addressed this so I apologize in advance if you already know these items:

    1. When the comment count is >250, I’ve noticed that it will regurgitate some of the longer comments as “new” in the alert bar at the top (“Show XX New Comment”). The higher count of comments usually means the higher frequency in which older comments are indicated as ‘new’ (and my setting is usually to sort by ‘new’ comments). This also happens with older comments showing up as ‘new’ when you have a high volume of comments in a short period of time.

    2. When we have a comment that registers as ‘new’ with the yellow bar next to the commenter’s name (it will fade eventually after a period of a few seconds), this yellow bar does not fade when the comment is longer than my screen will allow (i.e. I have to scroll down to see the entire comment). So JP’s well-researched comments usually never get marked as ‘read’.

    #1 above was driving me nuts during the Nancy Many live blog event. I kept getting the “Show XX New Comments” alert bar only to see an entire screen of older comments.

    I know that Disqus is probably the best posting system out there (compared to other blog sites) and keeps the discussion here lively, but it hasn’t lost its glitchiness since your days at the Village Voice. Just thought I’d share.

    • Sherbet

      I’ll add a 3. to that, Deck.

      The other day, somebody posted a new subject, I replied, and then other people replied to the first poster. Later on in the day, there was the original post, a whole string of 6 or 7 posts, and mine was last on the list. I don’t know how I dropped to the bottom when I was the second poster, but it sort of rendered my reply as nonsensical, with all those posters between me and the original subject.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Ditto here today.
        Makes those response somewhat confusing to understand sometimes.

        • Midwest Mom

          Sherbet and Bury, Is this before, during or after Happy Hour?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Bad Mom!…this is before HH…we even have a perfect example of this wierdness in the “Arquette” part of the thread today.
            And with that said….as I look at the clock…..Happy Hour has arrived.
            Thank you very much.
            Would you like a glass of Moscato?
            No? Fine…more for me.

            • Midwest Mom

              I love Moscoto. It’s too sweet for some, but I love it. Thanks for asking….hey……why is there a straw in this box…….oh……I didn’t realize that Costco sold Moscoto by the box. You couldn’t wait for Sherbet, Deck and I to get there?

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

              I like your style! Give me Manischewitz, Moscato, or plum wine any day. It’s like fruit juice with a punch.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              We may have to organize our own “SP” party….
              SP as Sugar Plum will need to be in charge because she can drink for nine hours straight.
              That makes her our Queen.

            • Sherbet

              Long live the Queen. I’ll be the designated driver.

            • Midwest Mom

              I hope Bury has more than one straw and more than one box.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Remember Tremontina….?
              They got nothing on my stash.

            • Captain Howdy

              And thusly AA was formed ..Anonymous Alcoholics .

            • BuryTheNuts2

              AA is for quitters!

            • Observer

              Freaky deja vu … one of my cousins posted that very thing on FB this afternoon …

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Your Cousin Is My cousin…BWAAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

            • Sherbet

              No saunas or niacin, and it won’t cost $30,000.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Thank you Sherbet…Someone must fall on the sword for the greater good.

              To your Liege and before your peers, repeat after me:
              Here do I swear
              by mouth and hand
              fealty and service
              to the Crown and Kingdom of the West
              to speak and to be silent
              to come and to go
              to strike and to spare
              to do and to let be
              in such matters as concern the Kingdom
              on my honor
              and the lawful commands of the Crown
              in need or in plenty
              in peace or in war
              in living or in dying
              from this hour henceforth
              until the King depart from His Throne
              or death take me
              or the world end
              so say I name.

              Sir Sherbet.

              Hey, this is a Scientology blog. Women are still SIR.

            • Midwest Mom

              I respectfully disagree about the “Sir” designation. It always seemed weird to me when Marcie called Peppermint Patty, “Sir”, and it still does to this day. Heck to the No on the Sir!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Fine ….Dame Sherb?

            • Sherbet

              Sure — There is nothing like a dame, nothing in this world…

            • BuryTheNuts2

              but a “Broad” is really close!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Sure.. But who will be my designated walker?

            • Sherbet

              The party is off. It’s snowing here, and I don’t want you to slip and fall, especially after 9 hours of drinking.

            • Midwest Mom

              Where are you, again? I forgot.

            • Sherbet

              North of Boston.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Thank god all I have to do is manage about 40 feet to the bedroom.
              WHEW!~

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Deck, you are so low toned.
              I love you even more now…..
              Lulz

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol.. I’m honored..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              No, you are in charge…LOL

            • sugarplumfairy

              Well.. That fits in nicely with my control-freak personality..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Somehow this does not surprise me. Lol

            • LaLa104

              More like it’ll “punch” ya behind the eyeballs the next morning..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Busted!
              I go straight for the quality stuff from the big box store, Mom.
              No “Dolce” for me when I can have “Sutter Home”.
              I work for the Accounting and Finance section of the company.
              They pay me to be to be exceedingly cheap and it carry’s over into “present time”.

            • DeElizabethan

              Happy hour is here again, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da! It’s a holiday remember?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Good Point…I hadn’t thought of that.
              Cheers,,,(oh wait…take that back..reminds me of Krustie)

            • Sherbet

              Oh, boy, De is in, too.

            • DeElizabethan

              Oh yeh! My usual nowadays is vodka and snapple peach tea. Caught up here and need to see what problems I can cause on another blog he, he. Kidding on the problems of course. he he. I do have to hold my mouth back however after happy hour. Truth comes out or is it bravery?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Both?

            • DeElizabethan

              Bravery to tell what I see as truth, yes!

            • Sherbet

              Truth comes out even WITHOUT holding onto those damn cans. So much for the value of tech.

          • Sherbet

            In which time zone?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Get a world clock and that takes care of any pesky possibility that it is EVER too early.
              You simply “exteriorize” and travel to Spain when necessary while the wine breathes….

              And WAALAA….what is true, is what is true for you….it is Happy Hour.
              Salute.

            • Midwest Mom

              It’s five o’clock, somewhere! :D

    • LaLa104

      Um, yeah.. I was confused last night with all my posts.. It seemed to be all over the place and not where I would reply to or originally post.. But I just figured it was because I’m a dumbarse about posting.. heh….

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

      Well, I think Disqus was designed for a normal kind of blog where a post gets 13 comments, and 4 comments-replying-to-comments, and 1 that is nested at the third level. It was when the Village Voice blog first started getting 100’s of comments per post as a matter of routine (I remember once I was away from the computer for a couple days, tried to catch up with Tony’s blog among others, and was horrified to find that a thread had something like 783 comments on it) that complaints about Disqus erupted, so then there was an experiment with a different posting system (LiveFyre? Someone correct me if my memory is faulty) but all we got was a different set of glitches, in many ways worse.

  • stillgrace

    I am glad for the young lovers, and wish them the best. I can’t comment further because I just don’t know enough. I’m interested in any further developments. Speaking of developments: over at Operation Clambake, Karen has been busy since early this morning.

    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=41348&start=1665

    Scroll down to her 3:31 am post, and you will find a delicious statement that Anderson Cooper is going to interview Lawrence Wright tomorrow night on 360. Although I am unable to confirm this online or in my Comcast listings (he’s broadcasting, but no details on subject matter), it is a welcome possibility that I will explore further.

    Keep scrolling and there’s an entry that states that John Allender, Bay Area Scio meanie and head Squirrel Buster @ Marty’s has fallen on tough times financially, two cars repossessed in four months, his wife has left him, and he’s moved back to Oregon to be near his son. More confirmation and details are promised. Karma, anyone?

    Finally, after more scrolling, you’ll find an actual OSA list of Sec Check questions applied to homosexuals. Vicious stuff.

    In other news, Wright’s hardcover book has (probably temporarily) dropped from #7 to #9 on Amazon rankings for all books.

    • DeElizabethan

      Good one Grace! Will mark to watch.

      • stillgrace

        Thanks, DeE. There’s also some cool stuff about DM tangling with Interpol.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      She is relentless….:)
      I love it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

        Karen and Davey remind me of Proverbs 17:12, “Better to meet a she-bear robbed of her cub than a fool stuck in his folly.”

    • LaLa104

      Usually Anderson will post on his twitter account who he’ll be interviewing.. USUALLY………

      • stillgrace

        Thanks! twitter is down right now. I’ll try later.

    • Espiando

      That sec check is pre-GO, considering that it’s dated 1962. It’s absolutely hilarious. And look who it was issued by: Phillip Quirino. More like “Queer-ino”, right?

      Is there any way that this could be used as a plug-in for Grindr? “Before you meet me for a little slap-and-tickle, can you answer these questions…”

  • http://twitter.com/vilalaurad90 laura viana

    Depois desta polemica de Tom Cruise e katie Holmes, cientologia despertou interesse. De tudo que eu li, eu só não entendi a desconexão. Será que é por isso que não vimos mais fotos de Tom e Suri, pós Disney? Fico triste por ele ser tão fanático. Sou contra fanatismo em qualquer religião.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Para manter as aparências. Fake.

      • Midwest Mom

        I usually only see Laura on People, Us, E! or Hollywood Reporter.

        • http://twitter.com/vilalaurad90 laura viana

          agora que eu conheci esse blog. Despertou meu interesse, você é cientologista também? kkk

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Não, mas você é um idiota!

            • Captain Howdy

              So is this Laura broad a scilon ? I can’t tell from the babel translation .

            • Midwest Mom

              Yes. She usually spouts pro Tom Cruise blah blah.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              A Scientology wannabe– a very sad kind of creature.

            • Midwest Mom

              I’m feeling guilty for calling her a troll, and am not sure now that she is one. I’m sorry. I am confused why she doesn’t use English translation to attempt English conversation.

              She used to be pro Tom Cruise, but it seems like she is wary of him, perhaps from reading about the truth regarding Scientology.

              I regret that I identified her as a Sci troll. In the summer, it seemed like she was, but now she seems different. My apologies to Laura and all here. I’m a bit confused about her saying this is all new to her.

            • stillgrace

              Don’t feel bad, Mom. I find it difficult to trust someone who shows up on an English-speaking blog spouting tongues … assuming WE’ll go to Google-Translate. A bit rude. Sheesh.

            • http://twitter.com/vilalaurad90 laura viana

              I’ve never been interested in see it. I watched almost all his movies. I saw Jack Reacher and the rock era (the best performance of his career). I think he’s gorgeous. To me it does not matter if he is gay or Scientologist, provided they do not do harm to anyone. For all I read was sad for their bigotry. And hope everything that the media says is not true. Flip the coast for his little girl so beautiful hurts me.

            • http://twitter.com/vilalaurad90 laura viana

              I swear I’ve never been interested. I did not know he had kids. I swear.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              No, in fact she doesn’t seem to know much about it but has become curious.

            • http://twitter.com/vilalaurad90 laura viana

              Acertou. Estou me recuperando de um acidente fico muito tempo na internet. Essa curiosidade logo, logo passa.

            • http://twitter.com/vilalaurad90 laura viana

              I don,t scientologist. I am catolico

            • http://twitter.com/vilalaurad90 laura viana

              Sorry. I don,t wanted ofender.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          You are more worldly than I am…
          Did you EVER expect me to say that Mom?
          Lulz….

          • Midwest Mom

            You seem to forget that I worked at a concert venue and two radio stations in the Detroit area, and was the first female president of a Rotaract Club in the World. Yeah…….I’ve been around……..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I am impressed! Kind of scared even.

            • Midwest Mom

              Yes. I’m sure that’s what Soupy Sales thought, too. (Surprised at Soupy? I’ll bet you are surprised. My secret past isn’t restricted to rock legends). Google him if you don’t know who he is, or you’ll get a coconut cream pie in the face!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I used to love Soupy sales…
              Oh god, my age is really showing now.

            • Midwest Mom

              Soupy was a darling. An absolute darling. One of the nicest people you could ever meet. He did a lot of volunteer work incognito.

            • DeElizabethan

              Oh yes, watched him all the time. He was from my old town Cleveland if remember correct. Funniest guy! Hey are we that old? can’t remember, yuk,yuk.

            • Captain Howdy

              Soupy’s sons Tony and Hunt backed up Iggy Pop on the classic album “Lust For Life’ as well as numerous tours with iggy and work with bowie and others.

            • LaLa104

              Let me say this in the most respectful way MM.. “Why you internet hussey”..

            • Midwest Mom

              Refer to John Sweeney interview with Anne Archer for my response. (After he neglected to answer her comment of looking brainwashed). I don’t have Botox face, though. :)

            • LaLa104

              Damn, all I can picture is that HIGH BROW freeze of hers…. hahahaha

            • BuryTheNuts2

              HOW DARE YOU!

        • stillgrace

          Portuguese.

          • Captain Howdy

            Yeah it was Portuguese

          • Midwest Mom

            Thanks! I corrected my faux pas. :)

        • http://twitter.com/vilalaurad90 laura viana

          And it is. I’ve never been interested in the life of Tom Cruise. Adimirava watching movies and beauty. Could not bounce on the couch, fight with Brook Shields, Scientology, adopted children, etc.. I never met Suri. Only after the divorce came here repoortagens about Scientology that was sparked interest mei.

      • http://twitter.com/vilalaurad90 laura viana

        Essas visitas não existem? Só agora eu me interessei por assunto de TC. Eu nem sabia que ele tinha filhos adotivos e nem mesmo Suri.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          eles são encenadas, por câmeras. Eles existem, mas apenas para as câmeras.

          • http://twitter.com/vilalaurad90 laura viana

            Staged? Exeter divorce I’ve only seen pictures of him with Suri in Disney. I do not believe he would turn his back just because the mother left the church. For me not to be biological child Katie Holmes just wanted the board and prohibited visits.

  • sugarplumfairy

    si usted puede navegar por la Internet, usted puede navegar por el traductor de google ..

    http://translate.google.com/m/translate?twu=1

    • sugarplumfairy

      That was meant as a reply to laura but I hit post too quickly..

      If you can navigate the Internet, you can navigate google translate..

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Yep :)

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Read on girl. You have been named our “SP”

  • Dorothy Gale

    Bella Cruise is marrying a Degraded Being? According to LWrong Hubbard, anyone who joins the Elite Sea Organization and then leaves is (in fact) a Degraded Being. I hope and pray that some well-endowed journalist asks Tom Cruise about his daughter’s plans to marry a Degraded Being.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Now you got me thinking about “well-endowed” journalist’s….
      That is not nice.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

        We know that Tony has cojones, although we do not know about other parts.

    • EnthralledObserver

      I know a Dorothy Gale from an altogether different forum… could this be you? Um… do you ‘Potter”?

      • Dorothy Gale

        Not me, and not a Potter. Dorothy is “in” now, so you’ll be seeing more of us. But I was one of the first, Clambaking since 2008.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Out peeps!….I have four meetings tomorrow…I need to at least get enough sleep to “fake’ interest!
    Night all!

  • dwayners13

    Perhaps dating Tom’s daughter is the “get out of jail free card” of the Sea Org. While everyone else has to ‘route out’, and/or pay the free-loader debt or escape from the compound, this kid just has to change his mind & boom he’s out. Maybe the 100 hr work week, $50 paycheque & rice/beans diet just couldn’t compete with the perks of dating Tom’s daughter. I wonder how some of the other Sea Org members feel about this guy getting to break the billion year contract they all sign. I would also bet his experience in the Sea Org wasn’t the typical members experience.

    • Midwest Mom

      He’s probably writing Knowledge Reports about her, too. I feel sorry for her – she lives in such an Orwellian bubble.

      • pdxuser

        Yeah, I wouldn’t be so sure he’s out. If Tom’s daughter won’t join the Sea Org, even to be with her boyfriend, maybe she needs closer monitoring.

  • MO Mom

    Someone should gently tell these two kids to increase their FB privacy settings…

  • 0tessa

    Response to Richelieu, re psychiatry being numer one enemy of scientology.

    Some quotes:

    !) ‘The War’, Executive Directive from L. Ron Hubbard, LRH ED 55 Int, dated
    November 29, 1968: Hubbard says: “Our error was in failing to take over
    total control of all mental healing in the West. Well, we’ll do that too”.

    2) “Our war has been forced to become “To take over absolutely the
    field of mental healing on this planet in all forms.
    That was not the original purpose. The original purpose was to clear Earth. The
    battles suffered developed the data that we had an enemy who would have to be
    gotten out of the way and this meant we were at war.”
    (Part of a major set of operations against the psychiatric profession initiated through the Guardian’s
    Office, 1969, p. 5, by a highranking officer, but the author is most probably Hubbard himself.)

    And: Scientologists in the UK attempted to take over the National Association
    of Mental Health in C.H. Rolph, ‘Believe what you like: What happened between
    the Scientologists and the National Association for Mental Health, London:
    Andre Deutsch, 1973.

    And: “… A Scientology suborganisation named the IAS published a
    commemorative edition on its twenty-sixth anniversary in 2010. In it, an article
    entitled, “Psychiatry-Global Eradication”, highlighted the IAS’s
    campaign against psychiatry (IAS Administrations, 2010, p. 17).”

    From an article by: Stephen A. Kent and Terra A. Manca ‘A war over mental
    health professionalism: Scientology versus Psychiatry’, October 3, 2012. (On
    the internet.)

    • sugarplumfairy

      I think the story of Johnny ‘Kendrick’ Lewis says it all about co$ and their battle with “the psyches..”

      And yay!! “does this religion recruit A-list celebrities for a reason?” Anderson Cooper Live, the morning show, has Lawrence Wright on this morning..

  • sugarplumfairy

    Holy crap.. It’s sounding like an ad for Scientology..

    • sugarplumfairy

      Ok, Judge Marilyn saved the day.. And now they’re talking about Naz.. Yay!

      • TonyOrtega

        What are you referring to?

        • sugarplumfairy

          Oops.. Lawrence Wright on Anderson Cooper Live this morning.. It was very brief..

          • stillgrace

            Did they mention Lawrence Wright on 360 tonight? Twitter’s not confirming interview yet.

            • sugarplumfairy

              It was pretty quick.. Wright said one of the things that got him into investigating co$ was the fact that scientology actually seemed to be detrimental to the careers of stars like cruise and travolta yet they continued to defend it and he was curious why.. He talked about the early wins that scientologists talk about and about finding out about past lives.. I was getting worried because it was sounding almost attractive, but then judge Marilyn Millian (Anderson’s co-host today) asked about the abuses and they ended up by talking about cruise’s difficulty in finding a partner and the church’s plan for Naz..

              It was short but sweet, so I’m looking forward to tonight’s show..

        • http://twitter.com/vilalaurad90 laura viana

          Tony. For everything I’ve read, I do not think right turn Tom Cruise into a monster. The america is free, everyone can follow their religion. Scientology may be more strange my (Catholic) is also. Innocent children even just worn by people who were selfish and obsessed with fame. All these women (Kidman, Cruz, Holmes, and Pecoraro Boniadi) wanted to leverage their careers. Kidman and Holmes were the worst, voluntarily introduced children to this mess.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Kidman and Cruz already had great careers.. I think all these women really loved cruise and he probably loved them too.. He just loves himself and his big beingness more..

            • http://twitter.com/vilalaurad90 laura viana

              And everyone thinks it’s frame, contract. People envious. I think the problem of religion is the leader Miscavige, he has two weights and two measures.

          • sugarplumfairy

            And for those of us who dont speak Portuguese, Thank you, Laura..

          • Charles Boot

            Shaka, when the walls fell!

            Rai and Jiri at Lungha. Rai of Lowani. Lowani under two moons. Jiri of Ubaya. Ubaya of crossed roads at Lungha. Lungha, her sky Grey. Kadir beneath Mo Moteh. The river Temarc in winter. Shaka, when the walls fell.

            Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra. Zima, at Anso! Zima and Bakor! Mirab, his sails unfurled!
            Kiteo, his eyes closed. Chenza at court. The court of silence. Chenza Temba, his arms wide. Uzani, his army at Lashmir. Uzani, his army, with fists open. His army with fists closed. Sokath, his eyes uncovered! Kailash! When it rises. Kiazi’s children, their faces wet. Zinda! His face black, his eyes red! Callimas, at Bahar. Kira at Bashi. Temba, his arms wide. Mirab, his sails unfurled. Temba, his arms wide! The Beast at Tanagra! Darmok, and Jalad… on the ocean. Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra!

  • ze moo

    CO% lawyers respond to CNN review of Larry Wrights book “Going Clear”.

    “When Mr. Wright’s bias was pointed out to him, he falsely accused the Church of
    bizarre actions based on not a single fact and went silent when asked to support his
    accusations.
    Mr. Wright showed the Church he had no interest in the facts, only the lies and
    exaggerations being fed to him by angry, bitter sources with agendas based on hatred
    and revenge. The result is a biased work, more fiction than fact.
    The lack of acceptance of the Church’s willingness to provide information was and is
    insulting. In the end, Mr. Wright continued to seek out a small group of bitter apostates,
    many of whom are self-confessed liars, removed for malfeasance and immoral conduct
    whose ever-morphing stories have been questioned for the past several years–Mr.
    Cooper interviewed some of them previously and knows these sources are bitter and
    while I cannot say how CNN will conduct its show, I strongly urge that you not rely on
    their false statements again, as Mr. Cooper did in 2010.”

    The “bitter apostates” line has become so lame, you have to wonder whose ‘whole track’ is stuck in an ‘incident’.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/22/us/scientology-response/

    • BuryTheNuts2

      CNN is going to besmirch Miscavige’s reputation?
      As if….

      • ze moo

        I think MIscavige besmirches the good name of e-vil…..

    • SP ‘Onage

      Oh gawd, baww me a river! The Church of Complaints is bawwing to all of the media…lulz

  • http://www.facebook.com/lana.burgess.39 Lana Smith

    I can’t believe you went as far as contacting their family members to find out what is going on with these two. They are not celebrities. It is no wonder these kids feel so much pressure from the world. It is bad enough they have been brought up in that church, no one has any right to try and find out about their personal lives. I like to see bella is happy and healthy, i don’t need to know what colour her toothbrush is!